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NeverMindTheBollocks

So, here’s what I think.

I think the general populace was charmed by Jacinda, a simple soul easily led, to leverage her popularity into a series of batshit crazy policies favouring some & paid for by others. And everyone cooed. It was a form of mass psychosis.

Now that she’s gone, the wheels are falling off her government & the bills are coming in, the scales are falling from the eyes. Some will still be in denial at the polling booth but enough will tick the right box & we’ll begin the long, slow recovery. In time, 2017-23 will be a bad memory, then a cautionary tale, then written out of history by our embarrassed descendants.

In this it mimics the Christchurch crèche business, albeit at scale. Then, a lot of people were convinced that Peter Ellis was as guilty as sin. Now, you’ll struggle to find anyone who will admit to holding that view.
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July 9, 2023 8:01am
- kowtow
  
  Was the general populace charmed by her or in my ( humble) opinion , hoodwinked by an adoring left wing media .
  
  Had the media held her to account like they did the Nats then she’d have never soared to the heights she so very briefly and fleetingly achieved.
  
  If you think of the many times she was “pedastalled,” she only ever delivered dress up and/or platitudes.
  
  Along came covid and she saved us , which of course she didn’t.
  
  Much of the country then wearied of her and she actually became a lightning rod for the anger and frustration that her regime caused .
  
  Internal polling must have shown that and she had to go.
  
  Again they lied though . She had given so much , there was nothing left in the tank.
  
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  July 9, 2023 9:39am
  - hullkiwi
    
    By the end of 2019, National were ahead of Labour and it was looking at being a drag race for the 2020 election. Jacinda’s stardust had worn of, despite March 2019.
    
    That all changed in February 2020. Then there was the paranoia of the Greens being in government. 3 years on, we can all see what a train wreck 2020 was.
    
    It is now time to put Jacinda behind us, and to work hard to ensure that her colleagues in the disastrous governance of NZ are all served with unemployment notices on 14th October.
    
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    July 9, 2023 9:54am
    - Ian Boag
      
      to work hard to ensure that her colleagues in the disastrous governance of NZ are all served with unemployment notices on 14th October.
      
      Work hard? Doing what? I wonder how many KBers do more anything more than grumble on the blog to an audience that mainly agrees with them. Not much there in the way of new Nat votes or new ACT ones for that matter.
      
      Door knocking? Canvassing? Doing whatever generally helpful things that the local candidate would like …. ? After all, most KBers (AFAICT) are old enough to have time on their hands.
      
      But with all the rich donors perhaps there is not much point, so one might as well just grumble and moan to the the chanting circle. 🙂
      
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      December 9, 2022 5:04pm
  - wilderbeast
    
    Agree. I’m of the belief that Labours constant hit jobs on Key / English administration eventually worked, even though much of it was hot air. Twyford was pretty effective on the housing front even though the problem was nowhere near as bad as he crowed on about, and then when he got the job he was after he showed what really bad looked like. I think the media totally fell for the false prophets of Labour in that period. 2017 and before seems like a lifetime ago, when this country actually worked.
    
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    July 9, 2023 1:55pm
- rouppe
  
  You will remember those that highlighted her “comrade” speech were called some pretty nasty names.
  
  https://youtu.be/g9rsxFaq6Ig
  
  Yet it completely came to pass
  
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  July 9, 2023 9:41am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I did that many times. To me, 2009 was the first sign of danger to come.
    
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    July 9, 2023 10:01am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Very similar to the folks who no longer want to talk about why they were such great believers in the need to lock us all down and vaccinate everyone to protect them from catching covid.
  
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  July 9, 2023 9:47am
  - tf78
    
    Some still believe it and nothing will change their minds and they continue to get jabbed. I blame some doctors as they happily went along with it instead of listening to overseas frontline doctors who knew better and were also vilified.
    
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    July 9, 2023 10:59am
    - hullkiwi
      
      A doctor who ever believed and peddled the belief that the vaccines that were developed quickly and then mass produced for the rapidly changed COVID viruses should be giving back their qualifications and practice certificates. This is because they have ignored everything they were ever taught about viruses.
      
      Nobody, but nobody was or will be saved by the MRNA COVID vaccines. That said, many in the 65+ age groups believe they were saved, and you will never change their minds even if the evidence was provided by ……?
      
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      July 9, 2023 4:15pm
      - KKKKatee
        
        It was all about the fear mongering from Ardern ‘80,000 could die’. That was delusional. Any sane person could work that out, surely?
        
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        July 9, 2023 8:25pm
  - Che Guava
    
    Like National and ACT, you mean? If Luxon and Seymour admit that they were badly wrong and that people like me were 100% right, then I’ll think about voting for them. They aren’t going to just pretend that none of it ever happened. They are the “taking responsibility for one’s actions” parties, aren’t they? I’m sure many others hold this view.
    
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    July 9, 2023 11:17am
    - mawm
      
      They are going to go on pretending nothing happened, nobody died because of the vaccine and there aren’t any vaccine injured out there.
      
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      July 9, 2023 11:43am
      - KKKKatee
        
        But there were a number of deaths from the vaccine.
        
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        July 9, 2023 6:33pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      [Mod – tone your posts down, debate without making it personal]
      
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      July 9, 2023 12:50pm
  - Jim
    
    Safe and Effective?
    
    NZ continues to lead the mRNA vaccinated nations in respect of (non covid) excess deaths. Typically trending above 18% more people dying each week than pre 2020. Where is Sir Bloomfield now?
    
    Here Dr John Campbell analyses latest official government data from across the world, and the death of excess numbers of Kiwis features very strongly.
    https://youtu.be/5LLk_xB071s
    
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    July 9, 2023 12:32pm
  - Jim
    
    Hi Maggy, agreed. It’s the only pharmaceutical in the world medical history that our government touted as being undisputedly Safe and Effective.
    
    Yet today NZ continues to lead the mRNA vaccinated nations in respect of (non covid) excess deaths. Typically trending above 18% more people dying each week than pre 2020. I’m not suggesting a direct causal link, but where is the outcry as “ one death was too many” but where is our saviour Sir Bloomfield now?
    
    Here Dr John Campbell analyses latest official government data from across the world, and the death of excess numbers of Kiwis features very strongly.
    https://youtu.be/5LLk_xB071s
    
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    July 9, 2023 12:42pm
    - Jim
      
      Sorry Maggy, repeated comment due to glitchy One NZ connection lol.
      
      [Mod – removed one]
      
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      July 9, 2023 1:53pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ‘Nothing left in the tank’ is more word soup waffle for “Fuck this shit, I’m outa here.’
  The lies came back to haunt her.
  
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  July 9, 2023 9:50am
  - Swifty
    
    No, it was “we want you gone, for the sake of the Party, and our jobs.”
    
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    July 9, 2023 9:52am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That too.
      A rotten apple in the barrel.
      You won’t get fresh water until you take the pigs out of the stream.
      
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      July 9, 2023 10:04am
      - Flossie
        
        Still quite a few pigs in that stream!
        
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        July 9, 2023 10:31am
      - kowtow
        
        They have created a river of their own filth.
        
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        July 9, 2023 10:41am
  - oldpark
    
    @Steve Otto(North Shore)
    Not forgetting the book she will be writing it will have a “Two Word” Heading for the once besotted NZs.
    *** ****** L.O.L.
    
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    July 9, 2023 9:55am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Who supplied the crayons?
      
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      July 9, 2023 10:05am
    - KKKKatee
      
      I’m a bookseller. We will be ordering the minimum quantity. Anything we’ve had before ends up in the bargain bin. And we won’t be putting our hands up for an author tour either. Don’t want her in my store. It would be hypocritical of me to do so.
      
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      July 9, 2023 8:29pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    She used Keys very words, at least Key did three terms and left the place in a better state, Labour will leave the place a mess as always
    
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    July 9, 2023 12:52pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Funny, isn’t it. You’d have thought that someone more on-message would have said ‘my battery is flat’ or some such.
    
    To admit that her tank is empty implies that Jacinda is and always has been a petrol head.
    
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    July 9, 2023 1:12pm
    - KKKKatee
      
      She copied that phrase from John Key. Truth is she was booted out. Nothing at all original about the Dame of Shame. She’s a plagiarist imo.
      
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      July 9, 2023 5:48pm
- KKKKatee
  
  I was never charmed by her. I’m a mother. She’s the type of girl I would’ve encouraged my daughter to stay away from. I could see there were behaviours which made me feel uncomfortable. My view of her hasn’t changed. Her propensity to lie without batting an eyelid was breathtaking.
  
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  July 9, 2023 10:15am
  - PeeJay
    
    I’ve had the unfortunate pleasure of meeting with her twice – once when she was starting out campaigning for Auckland Central, and once more around 7 years later. I’ve met a few local and central government politicians over the years of varying ability but seldom have I met any that were as vacuous as Ms Ardern.
    
    My wife, along with many others, drank the Arden Kool-aid in 2017 & 202. I warned her Arden was as shallow as puddle on a hot day and she was hopelessly out of her depth. It is one of the rare occasions in my married life where she ever utters the immortal “you were right” phrase!
    
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    July 9, 2023 11:21am
    - KKKKatee
      
      Her mispronunciation of words & phrases proved to me she was common. ‘Sumfink’ ‘all intensive purposes’ ‘partikaly’ etc etc
      
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      July 9, 2023 5:44pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        That’s a very cutting description.
        
        Of course “common” carries class connotations.
        
        I think rather that Jacinda Ardern is poorly educated – formally and also informally .
        She doesn’t strike me as ever having read widely or thought deeply beyond repeating some Mormon homilies (Be kind) and Labour Party verbiage.
        
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        July 9, 2023 7:50pm
  - Grumpy Silver Haired Female
    
    Nor me. She was a great orator, as long as someone else wrote the script, and only then. Otherwise she seemed to be ill-informed and not on top of cabinet papers in interviews. The podium of truth? Never! I could never see the (so called) charm.
    
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    July 9, 2023 11:31am
    - Eugene
      
      She never struck me as a great orator. More like a high school student trying to pretend that she was in a school play. Couldn’t speak without notes. Remember the arm- waving and gurning. The way she read out the speech notes looked up and left, read out a bit more and look up and right -then keep repeating – it was like there were prompts to do that. Ridiculous childish hyperbole = how often did she use “incredibly”. Trying to sound really knowledgeable earnest and authoritative and talking down to the audience when clearly she didn’t understand the content of the notes given to her.
      
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      July 9, 2023 11:57am
      - kowtow
        
        Great Orator .
        
        Yep that was another great lie promulgated by the media and commentariat .
        
        Her diction was shit and therefor off putting, her concepts shallow and her delivery a fabrication. ( dressing up , using Maori introductions ) etc
        
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        July 9, 2023 2:07pm
      - KKKKatee
        
        Her mispronunciation of words & phrases proved to me she was common. ‘Sumfink’ ‘all intensive purposes’ ‘partikaly’ etc etc
        
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        July 9, 2023 5:42pm
    - Jim
      
      Everything had to be ‘stage managed’ especially the media, hence why she dropped out quickly from the Mike Hosking interviews.
      
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      July 10, 2023 6:33am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    KKKKatee It’s funny you should say that. I despised the woman from day one. I found her response to the Christchurch massacre truly revolting a master class of exploitation and mock sincerity. The only other modern politician who I felt the same vibes from was one Tony Blair and was not surprised to learn that she worked for him. Standing on the still warm corpses of the victims, declaring her empathy, carefully choreographed embracing and stern warnings to the “ far right white supremacists” that until then few people had ever heard of in New Zealand ( as it was known back then) and fewer still ever met. Hand in hand with an adoring media the carefully crafted saint Jacinda was born and the truth died with it. So even before the disastrous Covid response I loathed her and the 4 th estate that rapidly proved itself part of the other three. As a nation we are going to have to work tirelessly over the next decades to right the destruction caused by this regime of ideological morons but let’s all hope that journey starts at the next election. The centre right has a massive job to pull the wheel over and steer the ship from the rocks .
    
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    July 9, 2023 2:11pm
    - KKKKatee
      
      Ardern is FOS for want of a better phrase. Dodgy as on a personal level. All down to a fucked up religious upbringing which resulted in her first response to lie her way out of a paper bag whenever she found herself in a spot of bother. Still lying. She’ll go to her grave lying. It’s in her DNA.
      
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      July 9, 2023 5:36pm
    - Observer of Life
      
      Stella: “Standing on the still warm corpses of the victims, declaring her empathy, carefully choreographed embracing and …”. Yep, it was disgusting to watch. I really don’t know how that woman sleeps at night. Imagine being her parents. You’d wonder where you went wrong… or was it the Mormon upbringing, and all is ok folks, we’ve trained her well????
      
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      July 9, 2023 9:32pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    KKKKatee: I agree wholeheartedly. From the very first time I saw her weekly on (I think it was) Paul Henry’s breakfast show, she made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. Nothing has surprised me with her reign of terror. A nasty piece of work that one.
    
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    July 9, 2023 9:25pm
    - KKKKatee
      
      She was on Young Guns with Simon Bridges. She was snarky and smart-arsed. No decent arguments. Just put downs for the sake of it. Irritating.
      
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      July 10, 2023 6:37am
- Ra Henare
  
  I dont care..
  https://youtu.be/1AskCcMfDFI
  
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  July 9, 2023 7:18pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    But clearly he does care.
    
    Don’t peddle non-objective philosophies/worldviews in our Science classes.
    
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    July 9, 2023 7:58pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    Ra: yeh, but Neil says the science is settled with Covid.
    
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    July 9, 2023 9:34pm
Tomtoddy

The U.N. Secretary-General writes, “I propose that the General Assembly provide the Secretary-General and the United Nations system with a standing authority to convene and operationalize automatically an Emergency Platform in the event of a future complex global shock of sufficient scale, severity and reach.”

It would give the U.N. the ability to “actively promote and drive an international response that places the principles of equity and solidarity at the centre of its work.”

Further it means the United Nations would have the power to “Ensure that all participating actors make commitments that can contribute meaningfully to the response and that they are held to account for delivery on those commitments.”

It means the next virus – its probably already cooked up in some lab somewhere – will give the UN power over our own Govt. UN troops in your street. The only crumb of comfort is that the UN is the most useless organisation ever created.
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July 9, 2023 8:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The viruses are there. I have heard of two. One 20 times as bad as Covid 19, and another 60x.
  It is only a matter of time before another crazy Fauci comes along. It could be United Nations, so they can test their Emergency Platform. Biological Warfare is all about control. UN like control.
  
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  July 9, 2023 8:24am
  - mawm
    
    Until the perpetrators of the covid debacle are held accountable – virologists, sponsors, governments, Pharma,etc, we will always be under threat of the total loss of our freedom. Listen to the interview I have posted below.
    
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    July 9, 2023 8:39am
    - kowtow
      
      Media , one of the biggest perpertrators , as their almost scared [? sacred – mod.] duty is to hold power to account .
      Not to stoke fear , and go along with autocracy.
      
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      July 9, 2023 9:43am
      - kowtow
        
        sacred .
        
        Doh!
        
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        July 9, 2023 9:55am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Sooner or later there must be a Nuremberg 2.0.
      Not in my lifetime (71) but it must come. The instigators must be made responsible and punished. I don’t know what sort of penalty – money will do nothing.
      
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      July 9, 2023 10:10am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    We need to careful. If Big Country interests wanted to test such a virus, where better than NZ? A good mix of most of the world’s ethnic types (too few Africans & Amerindians & Polynesians are over represented, but hey); nicely geographically isolated to control spread; First-ish World healthcare to see what effect that has; good comms to see how it’s all panning out; & nobody really gives a rats arse when the whole thing turns into a cluster.
    
    Five years ago, that would have the plot of just another near future Armageddon dystopian novel or TV series; now, I am less certain than formerly.
    
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    July 9, 2023 5:39pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Sell the idea, quick.
      
      We are such an obedient, compliant team of 5 million.
      
      Nothing we like better than following orders from the podium.
      
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      July 9, 2023 8:01pm
- Simon
  
  It’s not viruses it’s climate change scam
  
  Weak chicken shit National would sell NZ out to the UN in a heart beat.
  
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  July 9, 2023 8:28am
  - Phronesis
    
    Covid and Climate Change may seem quite different beasts but they share something in common that makes them essentially identical. Even if we accept the (plausible) worst case scenario for both, the proposed cure is worse than the disease. A simple cost benefit analysis shows there is no point destroying the economy in a misguided attempt to save it.
    
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    July 9, 2023 11:25am
    - Che Guava
      
      “Build back better” (a phrase that has seemingly been removed from the script) naturally entails knocking everything down first. How could it not? The destruction (be it under the guise of Covid, or climate change zealotry or any other concocted pretext) is the point. They aren’t trying to “save” anything, but they can’t openly say what they are doing. Anyone with a brain can see that it is deliberate, but unfortunately, a good proportion of people don’t have a functioning brain.
      
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      July 9, 2023 11:42am
  - Che Guava
    
    Agree. They wouldn’t be there if that wasn’t the case. If KB commenters seriously think that National wouldn’t follow its orders just like Labour did, they aren’t paying attention. Individual nations are no longer sovereign, they just roll out the plans as and when they receive them. I wonder if Luxon could be invited to do a guest post on this matter to allay our concerns.
    
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    July 9, 2023 11:26am
    - mawm
      
      Indeed, neither nations or individuals are sovereign any longer and those who want to represent us do not.
      
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      July 9, 2023 11:55am
- Grunter
  
  If/when the UN try to do something like this (and I think they will try), then that is the end of the UN. It will fracture what is left of any rules based order. It’s just another example of a crumbling west and the loopy central control freaks wrecking havoc.
  
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  July 9, 2023 8:35am
  - mawm
    
    They are well on their way to doing so through the WHO pandemic treaty and our government is there ready to sign on. Not a peep from Luxon or Seymour.
    
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    July 9, 2023 11:57am
- Nickc2
  
  IMO. the UN was established with good intentions but it was soon taken over by the World’s Loony Left and that condition still exists today.
  I would like to see a brave nation eg the US under a Republican President pull out of the UN and insist what’s left of it remove itself from the US ASAP. Then and only then can the World return to sanity as we believe it once was.
  
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  July 9, 2023 9:18am
  - tf78
    
    NZ was one of the original 51 countries to join the UN in 1945 – how about we be one of the first to opt out of it too.
    
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    July 9, 2023 11:16am
    - Nickc2
      
      Hipkins would never do it!
      There’d be no one to dictate Labour’s foreign policy.
      
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      July 9, 2023 11:48am
      - Jim
        
        Never happening, Chippie has just had a TGR update briefing from Uncle Klaus whilst in China.
        
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        July 9, 2023 5:24pm
- JJ56
  
  I feel a climate emergency coming on.
  
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  July 9, 2023 9:21am
- Ghost
  
  It doesn’t even have to be a virus. War, social unrest, basically they have left the door wide open for what will trigger this. Climate event, disruption to supply line, event in space, hacking, black swan event.
  
  https://jordan.un.org/sites/default/files/2023-03/2302794E_PolicyBrief-2.pdf
  
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  July 9, 2023 10:13am
- Stellaboxer
  
  I’ve always laughed at the fact the the five permanent members of the security council of the United Nations are also the worlds biggest arms producers and retailers. Slight conflict of interest me thinks.
  
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  July 9, 2023 10:33am
  - Jim
    
    The same as our benevolent publicly funded R&D by the big pharmaceutical industry which makes immense private profits from ongoing dependency and chronic sickness.
    
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    July 9, 2023 5:28pm
- Waipuk
  
  Anything that has the words “principles of equity and solidarity” has got to scare you.
  
  Is this because the “Build back better” didn’t work?
  
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  July 9, 2023 10:35am
  - Jim
    
    True deception is always seductively compelling, otherwise no one would buy into it.
    
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    July 9, 2023 5:30pm
- sirknz
  
  Whatever threshold a system like this would have in place, the criteria to activate it would get lower and lower every time.
  
  I don’t trust any of our politicians, regardless of ideology, to not abuse something like this, I trust an unelected group of bureaucrats tied to a supranational entity headed by politicians from around the world even less.
  
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  July 9, 2023 10:50am
- JimBobJoe
  
  That is basically saying give us dictatorial power for… reasons.
  
  And the equity and solidarity language is straight out of the communist rhetoric playbook.
  
  Authoritarians to the core. It is pass time for Western democracies to pull all funding to the UN and its various agencies as well as rescinding any and all commitments to UN charters, memos of understand, heads of agreement etc.
  
  Pull out of it all. Form a new international cooperation forum with no standing bureaucracy. That standing bureaucracy seeks power for itself and for other unelected seekers of power…
  
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  July 9, 2023 12:08pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  I’m astonished and delighted that the UN has suddenly decided that accountability is important. In that case, never mind cooking up your next scheme; the UN has massive accountability for the destruction and death of the last 3 years.
  
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  July 9, 2023 12:32pm
- Jim
  
  Introducing INGSOC
  
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  July 10, 2023 6:39am
Benedict Yu

I happened to come across this thread on Kiwiblog in 2019. It was a reaction to the decision to moderate comments. It seems comments were not previously moderated.

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2019/03/moderation_changes.html

The majority of comments were opposing moderation, with some folk saying they were out of here. 🏃

Four years on the blog seems successful.

Just out of interest I browsed some blog posts from 2017 and 2018. TBH it was a bit of an eye opener. Sure there were productive discussions but there were also some quite toxic abuse. There was one commenter in particular who wreaked absolute havoc.

Looks like moderation was a good thing after all.
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July 9, 2023 8:09am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  It’s about trust, eh. We trust DPF to do a fair job. The Disinformation Project, not so much.
  
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  July 9, 2023 8:15am
  - I remember when
    
    The Disinformation Project is working to perfection!
    
    There has never been so much “dis” in the papers as there is now.
    
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    July 9, 2023 11:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Moderation is a good thing Benedict. I used to post as ‘Steve (North Shore) because there are other Steves. I changed to my full name for instant posting.
  I didn’t want myself exposed as to where the Company I worked for was exposed.
  It is a place where things could get pretty steamy if the customer is not happy. Negative Google reviews are bad for goodwill. I spent 50 years there so I was part of that goodwill. The Company is now ceased trading, not because of Covid, but unable to find another suitable factory (landlord would not renew lease)
  Assets in storage and only trading for parts, no manufacturing. Company has since been sold, the Name was well known.
  So yeah at age 67 then I decided to use my name. I do respect those who use an alias. There are many reasons for that. Doxing you are familiar with Benedict.
  Welcome back.
  
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  July 9, 2023 8:42am
- Swifty
  
  I was never sure that it was moderation that led to SB’s demise.
  
  Was it? Or was he just banned, or did he leave of his own accord?
  
  Others may know.
  
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  July 9, 2023 8:43am
- CJames
  
  I’m another who believes moderation has been a good thing. The moderators have done a good job of trying to keep the ad homs and name calling out of it – those make it rapidly go toxic. One may disagree with some of their calls, but it is a thankless task they do.
  I was quite happy to post under my own name, but when I originally registered, my name was already taken. Then when getting the right for instant posting, I opted to keep my posting name to keep continuity with historical comments.
  
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  July 9, 2023 8:57am
  - Taieri
    
    While I have no problem with standing by my views and opinions, I can’t post under my real name as there’re only 2 persons with such a name in the whole universe and it would make some easy pickings for some people. Anyway, apart from the convenience of avoiding moderation, posting under the one’s own name does not make his/her comments any more valid/valuable than those posted under a pseudonym.
    
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    July 9, 2023 9:52am
- kowtow
  
  BY
  
  When moderation came in a number of kb stalwarts went over , I think one may have created , the You stupid boy blog.
  
  Which reminds me , it’s often well worth a visit .
  
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  July 9, 2023 9:02am
  - tf78
    
    I don’t think it’s around anymore, but I did enjoy it.
    
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    July 9, 2023 11:19am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Ysb is alive and well. I occasionally browse but I would never comment there. I am not sure I have the personality type to flourish there 😂
      
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      July 9, 2023 11:42am
- imalwaysright
  
  Censor interpersonal abuse, but don’t censor opinions , ideas or conjecture.
  
  Mediocrity breeds mediocrity .
  
  Don’t try to protect people from ideas they may not like or understand .
  
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  July 9, 2023 9:32am
- NoFax
  
  DPF is free to moderate anyway he wants on his blog. If I don’t like it then I can start my own. However, when the government wants the same then it’s different.
  
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  July 9, 2023 9:26pm
Albie

Called into our local Fruit World yesterday to buy 3 apples. No plastic bags, no paper bags. You can imagine the chaos and delays getting though the checkout with two customers with shopping trolley’s in front of me!
This nonsense has got to stop, surely?
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July 9, 2023 8:11am
- Matt Long
  
  I bought 100 singlet style plastic bags off Wish for $20, great for vegetables and whole shop. Checkout lady packed them at countdown.
  Only wish I had bought bigger than 300 x 400mm bags, say 600 X 400 at least.
  Agree, it’s moronic virtue signalling by stupid people in government.
  
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  July 9, 2023 9:39am
  - Observer of Life
    
    And have we seen the price of our groceries drop now the plastic bags have gone? More profit to the supermarkets I guess.
    
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    July 9, 2023 9:49am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I suspect the supermarkets will not sell as much produce.
      
      I didn’t want to overfill/rip the provided paper bag at the produce counter at Paknsave, so only bought 4 oranges (instead of 6-8) and I’ll ration my consumption of them.
      
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      July 9, 2023 10:08am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Here is an odd thing. I buy herbs and spices from a local “Binn Inn”. You fill your little plastic bags with pepper, chillie powder etc.
        
        Went there yesterday. Bags still there. The guy said that there are classified as a “bulk food store” and are exempt from the ban.
        
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        July 9, 2023 11:47am
      - I remember when
        
        Less fruit being consumed?
        Surely not potential health outcomes.
        
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        July 9, 2023 11:50am
    - crackle
      
      The plastic bag ban was an absolute peice or rat cunning from the supermarkets.
      The free bags were a cost of doing business and would have been pretty bad for reputation etc to start charging for them.
      Instead they found a way to get rid of them without attracting any bad publicity or the appearance of collusion, useful govt idiots were more than happy to a have a virtue signalling ban opening the way to then provide other options that they could charge for and put a margin on. I’d say its a pretty decent margin at 40 cents a bag now
      
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      July 9, 2023 11:11am
- rouppe
  
  You’ll notice the stock that turns up to their loading dock is still shrink wrapped in plastic.
  
  They don’t practice what they preach
  
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  July 9, 2023 9:46am
  - kowtow
    
    Political theatre .
    
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    July 9, 2023 10:45am
- Phronesis
  
  The no plastic bags thing has been good for my health. I don’t carry bags so I’m limited to what I can carry by hand. By the time I’ve picked up the milk and a couple of other items I simply can’t carry chips/ biscuits etc. I spend a lot less at the supermarket now.
  
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  July 9, 2023 11:42am
- Dougal23
  
  I bought a pack of plastic straws from alibaba all individually wrapped. Nobody in my family enjoys a takeaway milkshake with a paper straw. Kudos to Dad every time we do the drive thru.
  
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  July 9, 2023 3:48pm
Colville

Went to a funeral yesterday of someone relatively young (My age!) …large turn out…sad as fuck.
Just a big, very varied and certainly not rich crowd although there were more than a few business owners there.
Anyway… pretty much every conversation I had (without any booze involved) turned to politics in 15 seconds and how we need to get these pricks out of government!
I dont start conversations like that or my Missus will punch me in the head but , by agreement, I am allowed to partake if someone else is keen. 🙂
Maybe I just like talking to people who dislike high taxes , lots of crime, shit housing and heathcare and dont want racist laws?
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July 9, 2023 8:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Politics is a hot topic no matter what gathering. The New Zealand people have never seen their lovely Country fucked over like this. Something we never thought possible.
  Then she ran.
  
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  July 9, 2023 11:54am
- Jim
  
  Coalville, I believe you may have missed the topic of unnecessary sexualisation of children’s education. It’s strange but those types of people, and those types of conversations, are far easier to come across these days.
  
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  July 9, 2023 2:23pm
Southern Raider

I see SparkNZ is taking the BudLight strategic approach to customer marketing

WTF was the social media manager doing getting into a Thread by Shaneel Lai and backing it
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July 9, 2023 8:15am
- Matt Long
  
  And Vodafone One New Zealand followed suit according to the Twitter Thread.
  The object being to ban TERFs from discussion threads, not sure where.
  If Cis Gender is banned from Twitter, why not TERF?
  
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  July 9, 2023 9:44am
  - Matt Long
    
    Could there be legitimate reasons for safe spaces for Truegender women and girls? This guy thinks so.
    https://youtube.com/shorts/Nm2jMumhBt0?feature=share
    
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    July 9, 2023 9:55am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      You don’t need to prefix women and girls with “true” or “ biological “ they are the nouns that are used for adult and juvenile female human beings. Any qualifications are buying into the current misogyny and legitimises the hysteria.
      
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      July 9, 2023 10:47am
      - Matt Long
        
        I see it a little differently, true is the antonym of false, which is my way of rejecting their trans/cis narrative.
        
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        July 9, 2023 11:33am
      - Stellaboxer
        
        Fair enough Matt.
        
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        July 9, 2023 11:43am
  - Jim
    
    Shame One NZ can’t just focus on improving communication network capabilities across rural NZ, since the company name change my wireless internet coverage has certainly ‘transitioned’ from satisfactory to glitchy.
    To One NZ : Just do your job and leave the ESG social engineering alone, or I will move to another provider.
    
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    July 9, 2023 5:38pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Why do all radical social activists seem to have double barrelled names?
  
  The “social lead” at Spark has one and very active in the extreme LBQ+++++.
  
  My would a large corporate knowingly give a radical the keys to a social media platform
  
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  July 9, 2023 10:13am
  - Ghost
    
    Because some companies are scared of the backlash from them. There will be very little response to sparks tweet, unlike usa people really don’t care here.
    
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    July 9, 2023 10:16am
  - Jim
    
    To access financial support…courtesy of Larry Fink et al.
    
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    July 9, 2023 5:39pm
- sirknz
  
  And they tagged the wrong Shaneel as well…
  
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  July 9, 2023 10:55am
mawm

A very disturbing interview by Dr Campbell with one of the authors of the recent Danish paper published on the differing side effect profiles of different mRNA vaccine batches. There are just too many questions to be answered by Pfizer and the politicians.

https://youtu.be/KgldG9r-i9M
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July 9, 2023 8:24am
- Master Mariner
  
  Yep , Another recent video about excess deaths,
  
  NZ features highly.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LLk_xB071s
  And ,
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKe7ftz9eL8&t=330s
  
  People who think this ( Covid) is over, Economically and Health outcomes are seriously wrong.
  It appears to be only the beginning.
  
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  July 9, 2023 9:49am
hullkiwi

Oh dear….

What a reputation after 8 months….she’ll go far in NZ….a land where yobbishness is celebrated ahead of being successful.
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July 9, 2023 8:27am
Gravelroad

There was a report a few days ago about the Taliban in Afghanistan banning and ordering the closure of womens’ hairdressing and beauty salons.
Surely this must be a huge breach of human rights for the “trans community”?
Have the trans activists and their supporters had any words of wisdom to rant about this?
What action does the United Nations propose to take?
None.
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July 9, 2023 8:32am
- Benedict Yu
  
  So 16 year olds voting will save the “climate crisis “😳
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/132460240/make-it-16-how-lowering-the-voting-age-might-fix-the-climate-crisis
  
  The author drips in woke language 😅
  
  ” “We’re holding two launch parties for our Tāmaki Makaurau and Te Whanganui-a-Tara Wellington regional hubs. We’re inviting any and all supporters to come along and have some kai.😂
  
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  July 9, 2023 8:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Lowering the voting age will not fix the weather (some call it climate change) What is will do is create more protests. Schoolkids protesting, what is new?
    16 year olds can vote when they pay Tax and Rates. Some with part time hobbies do pay Tax but it in minimal.
    
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    July 9, 2023 8:51am
    - mawm
      
      After the education they receive I am concerned that they may be unable to put an X where required. //s
      
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      July 9, 2023 12:09pm
      - crikey
        
        You can’t use “X”, that’s my signature.
        
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        July 9, 2023 5:10pm
  - CJames
    
    If 16 year olds want the vote, then they also need to have full adult responsibility under the law. You can’t have one without the other.
    
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    July 9, 2023 8:58am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      We don’t process 16 year olds through the adult judicial system. We make allowances because they can make mistakes that adults should not make. And they think they should vote?.
      
      This movement should be ignored. Of course the Greens love it. Because young folk who are not fully cognitively developed are likely to vote for the Greens.
      
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      July 9, 2023 9:12am
      - rouppe
        
        There is feedback being sought on electoral law changes that include letting the voting age to 16.
        
        https://electoralreview.govt.nz/
        
        Have your say 🙂. Closes 17 July
        
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        July 9, 2023 9:52am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Basically it’s grooming. Or indoctrination. Mao and Goebbels would have been impressed.
        
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        July 9, 2023 10:16am
  - Inandout
    
    BY, shades of ‘Logan’s Run’ here whereby the ones who wanted all over 30’s to expire (living in a secret location) were themselves approaching their retirement age. Before age 30 the life of the populace was wonderful and pleasure filled. The ones pushing for age 16 votes in NZ may well be based in Europe.
    
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    July 9, 2023 9:00am
    - Blog-aholic
      
      In the original novel the age limit was 21.
      
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      July 9, 2023 10:09am
      - Inandout
        
        Blog, correct but the producers thought 21 was a bit young for movie goers to grasp.
        
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        July 9, 2023 12:07pm
  - backster
    
    Where is the representation of tangata whenua on the organising panel.They should be represented if there is free kai and maybe koha…Nga mihi
    
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    July 9, 2023 9:18am
    - rouppe
      
      Also provided for in the electoral review.
      
      Seriously.
      
      See link above to have your say. One week to go
      
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      July 9, 2023 9:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I don’t think the Taliban like transistors.
  
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  July 9, 2023 8:44am
  - kowtow
    
    There’s a “cultural” phenomenon there where certain powerful men do very much like young males , when western intervention troops wanted to do something about it they were told to shut up. Mustn’t upset our allies you see.
    
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    July 9, 2023 8:55am
- Inandout
  
  Gravel, the WH fossil obviously has no conscience or he just sought to further demean the US.
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12272483/Republicans-blast-administration-burying-scathing-Afghanistan-report-plain-slight.html
  
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  July 9, 2023 8:49am
- Stellaboxer
  
  The Burka must be an unconvincing trans dream.
  
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  July 9, 2023 10:50am
  - Jim
    
    And smart bank robbers
    
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    July 10, 2023 6:41am
- Ruawai
  
  Would be great if all the women of Afghanistan rose up and took over from the men and made it law all men have to shave their beards off or be put in prison, see how the men would like to be treated like second class citizens and told to follow stupid made up rules. One rule is that Islam prevents the plucking of eyebrows.
  
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  July 9, 2023 12:14pm
hullkiwi

Something is very wrong out there in suburban NZ.

After what I saw yesterday, I am picking a 1990 style outcome of this year’s election, and I’m in agreement with Bob Jones piece of 5/07/23 in his No More Punches blog. Labour are going to get reduced to very little remaining.

Yesterday, I was out delivering pamphlets for Chris Luxon’s upcoming meeting in Warkworth. I was in an area of Warkworth that is less than 10 years old. There were signs all over the area that read “economic distress”. These included empty houses, mail (white invoice envelopes) days old left in letterboxes, limited signs of life in the middle of the day & for that matter school holidays, larger than life for sale hoardings (suggesting urgent sale needed), people emptying their homes with rented trailers and friends. There were signs of economic hardship.

What I saw does not look like a “Technical Recession”, this looked more akin to what some commentators are saying is likely to be a more full blown recession coming later this year.

All I can say is…I am with those who believe over the past 6 years we have witnessed the worst government in our history, and 14th October is the chance to get NZ Back on Track!
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July 9, 2023 8:41am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It definitely is hitting suburban mums, who may have once been part of Dame Jacinda Ardern’s fan club.
  
  They can’t help commenting on the cost of basic food items when out shopping.
  
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  July 9, 2023 9:28am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Unfortunately too some , It will take No fuel in stations, No food in shelves and no money from ATM’s to convince some people.
    Too be perfectly honest, I believe this may eventually be the best outcome for the General population to come to there senses.
    Unfortunately.
    
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    July 9, 2023 9:54am
- Matt Long
  
  Those who bought heavily leveraged homes in new inflated subdivisions are going to be Labour’s early victims, but I agree with Wayne Mapp, there’ll have to be widespread unemployment before it becomes a rout.
  
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  July 9, 2023 9:33am
  - Jim
    
    Worse situation still Matt, I know of some naive FOMO over leveraged home purchasers who have unwittingly bought an overpriced problem house (weather tightness problems etc) that now needs significant capital expenditure.
    
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    July 9, 2023 2:36pm
Swifty

Vance’s column today is so perverse and demented I don’t even know where to begin.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/132499752/could-the-treaty-of-waitangi-become-the-next-casualty-of-populism
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July 9, 2023 9:01am
- kowtow
  
  Disinformation .
  
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  July 9, 2023 10:10am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I won’t support Stuff by clicking on their links, but the URL suggests that The Treaty is at risk if the filthy far-right win the election.
  One can only hope.
  
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  July 9, 2023 10:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    What is at risk with the Treaty is F̲o̲r̲e̲s̲t̲r̲i̲e̲s̲ ̲a̲n̲d̲ ̲F̲i̲s̲h̲e̲r̲i̲e̲s̲.
    The original Treaty written in Maori and the English translation known a the Littlewood Draft did not mention F̲o̲r̲e̲s̲t̲r̲i̲e̲s̲ ̲a̲n̲d̲ ̲F̲i̲s̲h̲e̲r̲i̲e̲s̲.
    F̲o̲r̲e̲s̲t̲r̲i̲e̲s̲ ̲a̲n̲d̲ ̲F̲i̲s̲h̲e̲r̲i̲e̲s̲ Were added to the Waitangi Tribunal Treaty re-write by Sir Hugh Kawharu in 1989.
    We are paying for what a rogue version of the Treaty says.
    
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    July 9, 2023 11:14am
    - Colville
      
      Complete bullshit Steve.
      The version(s) that were signed did include forestry and fisheries, the document is on display. Why lie?
      
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      July 9, 2023 12:09pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Show me where forestry and fisheries are included pre 1975 Waitangi Tribunal.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVgY03s6Tqc
        19 minutes in.
        
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        July 10, 2023 9:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Alas, it is a masterly display of the art of misdirection which the left employs to great effect.
  
  Vance manages to paint David Seymour & Act as the baddies in the Co-Governance debacle.
  
  No directing of the debate to where the problem lies:
  
  1. Labour’s deception in not informing the Public before the 2020 election that Co-Governance would lie at the heart of all legislation they would introduce,
  
  and
  2. Labour’s refusal to define Co-governance.
  
  If Nats-Act win the election they’ll need to take control of the narrative at the first opportunity.
  
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  July 9, 2023 1:27pm
  - Swifty
    
    Exactly my thoughts Maggy.
    
    Oppose, the ill-defined, co-governance for any reason and you are a bad, bad person.
    
    Certainly a racist, probably a Nazi.
    
    And by doing so it is YOU that is causing division in NZ society. YOU are the trouble maker.
    
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    July 9, 2023 3:37pm
wsk12345

So SparkNZ are supporting that nasty Shaneel Lal over women who are actually women.

Will be interesting to see if the twitter backlash results in any meaningful change to its customer numbers or share price.

#gowokegobroke
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July 9, 2023 9:15am
- PeeJay
  
  I would love to see some push back like the US did on Bud Light. Unfortunately, Kiwi’s tend to be pretty tame about protests and taking action against this kind of stuff so Spark (and One) will probably get away with it.
  
  See for instance the vile crap Lal uttered over the “Let Women Speak” event where you had angry blokes beating up elderly women for having the temerity to have a contrary view on trans rights? Wonderful example of tolerance there eh?
  
  Very little pushback from your average Kiwi unfortunately.
  
  SCS regularly satirises the average kiwi as “sheeple” – while it irks some on this blog, he’s not wrong unfortunately.
  
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  July 9, 2023 11:52am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Spending some time on Twitter today, I can assure you that pushback is there in abundance. It will be interesting to see what the Spark share price does tomorrow when the NZX opens.
    
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    July 9, 2023 3:46pm
JJ56

It will be interesting to see tomorrow if #BoycottSparkNZ on Twitter has any impact on https://www.nzx.com/instruments/SPK
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July 9, 2023 9:35am
- kevn
  
  @jj… Why is Spark even involved with this crap and the lal clown ?
  Must some social media junky Spark employ amusing themselves and justifying a salary.
  
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  July 9, 2023 10:57am
  - Ghost
    
    Spark are the agenda queens. Climate change, Ukraine war, trans rights, blm etc etc, if there is an agenda they support it.
    
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    July 9, 2023 11:05am
- mogg
  
  Woke Disney make $900 million loss, according to Daily Mail.
  
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  July 9, 2023 11:02am
  - Colville
    
    Die pedos, die.
    
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    July 9, 2023 12:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
iwi now want royalty for artworks.
The bullying is getting ridiculous and needs to be stopped.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/maori-fighting-maori-over-art-royalties/
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July 9, 2023 9:46am
Harro104

Hipkins says NZ opposes Ukraine getting cluster munitions. Sod off. It’s a war. And Russia is lobbing drones and missiles at civilians. If NZ was invaded you’d want all the cluster munitions you can get your hands on plus all the other ones too. Needs to be called out for the peacenik BS it is.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132510238/new-zealand-tells-us-of-opposition-to-cluster-bombs-after-promised-ukraine-delivery
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July 9, 2023 10:00am
- kowtow
  
  I was amazed how much time tv1 gave to this last night on its “news” , though as always when I do watch it I regretted it.
  
  Uk needs those munitions to break through the lines of indepth fortifications the Soviets have illegally built across the Occupied Territories . It’s as simple as that .
  
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  July 9, 2023 10:08am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Then don’t be surprised if Russia responds with tactical battlefield nukes.
    
    What’s the point in having ‘rules’ around use of certain disgusting munitions that will impact innocent civilians for decades if you just ignore them when things aren’t working out for you?
    
    It’s another idiotic escalation in what is already a humanitarian crisis.
    
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    July 9, 2023 10:48am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Clan ask the Labour Party they seem to like ignoring the rules when they don’t suit them, oh and the Bill of Rights and the UN human rights oh and the Nuremberg code.
      
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      July 9, 2023 10:58am
    - Harro104
      
      Isn’t Russia already using cluster bombs? But sure, tell Ukraine to fight for freedom with their arms bound.
      
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      July 9, 2023 11:28am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Harro104 – are they? Evidence please?
        
        ~~Ukraine~~ ~~NATO~~ USA’s arms certainly aren’t bound.
        
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        July 10, 2023 1:30pm
    - kowtow
      
      Rules ?
      
      How about don’t invade Ukraine .
      
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      July 9, 2023 12:03pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        How about don’t foment coups in other countries every 6 months?
        
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        July 10, 2023 1:32pm
- mawm
  
  Russia has been extremely careful to avoid civilian casualties but they have no choice when Nato builds control centres in civilian areas.
  
  Amnesty international claimed both Russia and Ukraine used cluster bombs. The US Department of Defence have said they could not confirm that Russia did so.
  https://sgp.fas.org/crs/weapons/RS22907.pdf
  Allegations of Russian Use of Cluster Munitions in Ukraine – page 8
  “While unconfirmed by U.S. or allied government sources, the alleged use of cluster munitions against Ukraine has arguably elevated public awareness of this issue.”
  
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  July 9, 2023 12:28pm
- DeepBlue
  
  Only way to stop this boiled frog escalation is to leap straight to supporting Ukraine with air strike capabities.
  
  This slow meatgrinder approach is maiming with no end in sight.
  
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  July 9, 2023 1:06pm
- Jim
  
  H, if only things were so black and white. If it’s that simple then all International codes of warfare ethics can be discarded, and those same people are also welcoming an escalation (or regression) of 21st century warfare tactics towards legitimising biological, chemical and even nuclear.
  
  It’s a fact that our western corporate MSM repeatedly fail to report the balanced facts. Here’s one simple evidential document by Amnesty International that demonstrates the truth is out there, but rarely on the evening news propaganda.
  
  https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/
  
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  July 9, 2023 2:54pm
  - Harro104
    
    Sir – that is some good whataboutery but I’m not buying it. Also, there is no serious conflict escalation pathway from cluster bombs to bio, chem or nukes.
    
    Regards, H
    
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    July 9, 2023 9:04pm
    - Jim
      
      The end of the 20th century saw a significant technological change in the advent of smart munitions or precision weapons such as cruise missiles etc.
      To support the use of dumb cluster weapons in 2023 is an example of cognitive dissonance personified or simply a failure to realise this is a desperate measure by the US in its proxy war with Russia (smart equates to expensive whereas dumb equates to cheap weapons).
      
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      July 10, 2023 6:50am
Bridgenag

Whales Die, While Officials, Media, and Environmentalists Lie
“Save the Whales” is now “sacrifice the whales” to East Coast wind turbines, oil & gas drilling, and reporter lackeys for the marine-industrial complex. Sound familiar?

https://open.substack.com/pub/rescue/p/whales-die-while-officials-media?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 9, 2023 10:10am
Tauhei Notts

One of the good things about Kiwiblog is the knowledgeable rugby writers who comment here. Not the paid for shrills of the main stream media, but genuine New Zealanders who know much more about the game than I ever will.
So, come on you blighters. Get off the couch and share your comments on this morning’s effort in Argentina.
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July 9, 2023 10:16am
- Gravelroad
  
  @Tauhei Notts
  OK, all the players from the Chiefs were absolutely fantastic today, especially Cane, MacKenzie and Narawa.
  They will all start against South Africa next week.
  That is all you need to know from the commentary.
  
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  July 9, 2023 11:25am
  - Colville
    
    Gravel.
    I needed a laugh.
    Cane shouldnt be in the team, the 2nd comming of the suitcase.
    Tight 5 were immense, fast and flat ball from Smith gave McKenzie great chances which he took with both hands. Loved to see it. Barretts played great, that boy has wheels!
    Saffers gave the Ozzies a pumping and will be on a high. Next week will be a cracker.
    
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    July 9, 2023 12:18pm
- PeeJay
  
  Good start to the international season with some good solid performances and not too many negatives. Thought Argentina were a bit off the pace though – wonder if they got their Europe based players back a bit later than they would like? Good win regardless.
  
  Big tests will be against SA though – looks like what was effectively a B team ripped through the Aussies in Pretoria so will be interesting to see where we are against them.
  
  Unfortunately, the real test for the all blacks comes later this year with the French in our pool then the Irish or Saffers to follow – the Irish and French looking strong favourites for the tournament and I’m not sure if we’ve got the game plan to beat those guys.
  
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  July 9, 2023 12:07pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  Scrum with Lomax and De Groot in the front row was superb
  
  Lineout functioned really well – though when Taylor replaced Coles a few wobbly throws..
  
  Dmac was given a lot space by the go forward generated by the pack – we wont get his space next week against the Boks so will be interesting to see if he is as effective.
  
  Try off the scrum second half was brilliant – But I can see that wrap around of 1stV on 2nd/Centre being blown up by the Boks midfield rush.
  
  Second half we lost intensity, Pumas lifted as you would expect when being humiliated on their home turf.
  
  I thought our work around the tackle and protecting the ball was patchy – first half the clean below Los Pumas away through pure speed of action. Second half think we were slower in support of the ball carry and the Pumas got on the ball more. This area is so dependent on ref interpretation … bit of a lottery at times
  
  Bottomline: Good baseline established, but heaps of things to work on: first up tackling 2nd half was poor, ball protection at the tackle, tactical kicking (we didnt do a lot playing ball in hand but against the Boks you want them turned around constantly to disrupt their defensive timing)
  
  I give the All Blacks a B- grade, good but can be much better
  
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  July 9, 2023 12:31pm
  - Colville
    
    JBJ.
    At tackle and breakdown is where we will get pumped at the RWC.
    Cane is weak and needs to cheat to be effective (see Super final penalty count for example) Refs will be onto it and Frogs etc will kick us out of the game.
    We DO have wheels, skills and fitness so we do have a chance tho esp in broken play. Kick the ball to the ABs backs at your peril (as the Argies learnt)
    
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    July 9, 2023 2:14pm
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      Gentlemen, thank you for your comments.
      With the Public Interest Journalism Fund I have lost all respect for professional journalists, so your above comments are appreciated.
      If we were all in a bar I’d go broke shouting for all you fellows.
      
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      July 9, 2023 2:49pm
hullkiwi

Two Sunday morning NZ political debate shows.

Q&A with Jack Tame on Snownews, an advert for Labour & TPM, less than 5 minutes turned it off.

The Nation Encore, Rebecca Wright interviewing Kelvin Davis. She has the research & she is took no prisoners. Kelvin will have to go back to the Witless Protection Programme.
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July 9, 2023 10:18am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://babylonbee.com/news/father-of-9-elon-musk-admits-hes-only-going-to-mars-to-get-some-peace-and-quiet
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July 9, 2023 10:28am
Waipuk

“ In time, 2017-23 will be a bad memory”

A very very costly bad memory which will take decades to repair. Not just in $ but the whole rebuild of the infrastructure of New Zealand.
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July 9, 2023 10:30am
- kowtow
  
  It will take at least a generation for the lost children of the collapse in the education system , the regime destroyed , to move through crime , unemplyment and prison , not to mention the numerous welfare beneficiaries they will create .
  
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  July 9, 2023 10:39am
  - mawm
    
    I’m not sure that it will be only one generation. South Africa has not recovered from the ANC “Liberation before Education” that was pushed through the townships and eventually the youth uprising. That was in 1976, fifty seven years later the education system is still in tatters and there are masses of uneducated and unemployable people. The only hope are the formerly “white” schools that have now integrated and the continued strong parent input into the running of the schools is producing well educated kids.
    
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    July 9, 2023 12:46pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  First cough by the grandkids and they will put on masks.
  Any confidence has been destroyed. They have been programed and they don’t know it.
  Beware of the future socialists.
  
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  July 9, 2023 11:25am
Flossie

You’d think the voters in the Dunedin hospital catchment would be leaving Labour in their droves. This government sneered at 50 million dollars as a minor expense when used to look into a footbridge across the harbour in Auckland, but severely reduce the size and capability of their proposed new hospital for Dunedin to the tune of $29m.
Seems to me a case of “we’ve got a 65 inch telly in the lounge but no money for the kids new school shoes”.
Vote them out Dunedin!!
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July 9, 2023 10:44am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

When one of the girls at Mass mentioned she’d heard rumors that Dame Cindy had been seen ‘house-hunting’ in Sydney, I pricked up my ears.

Turns out it may not be too far from the truth…..

https://twitter.com/TruthdriverOn/status/1677504743399378944

Going by the comments sounds like she’d be about
as welcome as Miss Piggy on a state visit to Tehran 😀
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July 9, 2023 10:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  From the comments:
  “So why is Ardern allowed but Trump jr couldn’t??”
  Ardern is not MAGA, junior is.
  
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  July 9, 2023 11:33am
- slightlyrighty
  
  If Ardern leaves the country for a better life in Oz, that will be the perfect bookend to 5 and a half years of failure.
  
  Destroy the fabric of the country and then run away.
  
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  July 9, 2023 1:07pm
  - Paul Marsden
    
    Anywhere but here!
    
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    July 9, 2023 1:19pm
I remember when

Road deaths in region plummet after opening of Kapiti Expressway in 2017: Kapiti Observer.
* Kapiti road deaths down 71%
* In 2012-16 a total of 14 people lost their lives.
* In 2018-22 it was down to 4 people.

Do these figures show us how much benefit we get from better highways, rather than constantly highlighting drink driving, speeding, poor driving and lower speed limits.

Article AA statement: “It’s clear the safety features of the new road have played a significant part.”
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July 9, 2023 11:41am
- Benedict Yu
  
  Yeah well that old coastal road was a death trap. It was there for 80 years. Think about the numbers that must have been killed.
  
  Yet the mad Greens wailed and stamped their feet about all those road upgrades initiated by Joyce.
  
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  July 9, 2023 12:21pm
  - Matt Long
    
    They should have lowered the speed limit to 30, think of all the lives that could have been saved. Or with 15 minute cities, if we get everyone off the road we can achieve zero.
    
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    July 9, 2023 12:49pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      I’m sure you meant that as tongue-in-cheek, but here in Tauranga we’re suffering through this ideological pogrom against cars. We’re already a “15-minute city” – that’s how long it takes to go 1km on an average commuting day.
      
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      July 9, 2023 2:00pm
    - rouppe
      
      I was at a friend’s house last night for drinks. One of the people there appears to be a committed greenie.
      
      He went large about how deaths and injuries had dropped to zero since the speed limit had been dropped to 30 somewhere (don’t even remember where).
      He then complained how he didn’t have any charging infrastructure outside his house which doesn’t have off street parking.
      Then criticized transmission gully for the cost.
      Then complained that he turned down a job out where I work because public transport would take him 1 ½ hours each way to get there and he doesn’t own a car.
      
      I was like “join the dots, bro”. We didn’t talk much after that…
      
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      July 9, 2023 4:48pm
  - PeeJay
    
    Also, never forget the Greens and Labour opposition to Transmission Gully. Seemed very happy to attend the opening ceremony and try and take the credit though – as they did for the “Holiday Highway” to Warkworth.
    
    Makes me really angry to think of the amount of essential infrastructure we could have built by now if English / Joyce had been running the ship during the last 6 years.
    
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    July 9, 2023 1:08pm
- mandk
  
  I think I also heard that none of the 4 deaths was on the Expressway itself. They were on the wider Kapiti district road network.
  
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  July 9, 2023 1:11pm
- hullkiwi
  
  @IRW, not only the Kapiti Expressway, the new northern motorway Puhoi to Warkworth will show the same results. Along the old SH1 there were several black spots where fatal accidents occurred (plus a couple where there were deaths from medical events), but the new road will see accidents, accident injuries and fatalities fall significantly.
  
  However, because of her inbred dogma, loathing of motorists and motor vehicles Genter authorized the wasting of $millions on a “pis* poor” upgrade of the Dome Valley, which has not reduced accidents or fatalities.
  
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  July 9, 2023 3:24pm
  - Matt Long
    
    They have managed to drop the speed limit after the years of useless works though.
    
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    July 9, 2023 3:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
The previous post was yesterdays. I did not notice.
Here is todays.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/tross-publishing-subject-to-vicious-attack/
The first link is a .pdf so the two links included don’t work.
The second link to Bruce Moon’s response is not working, but it will.
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July 9, 2023 12:18pm
Benedict Yu

Survey 1000 New Zealanders asking them what are the most important actions to combat climate change. Number 1 choice. Recycling 😂 Recycling may be a good thing but it is not going to affect climate change.
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July 9, 2023 12:31pm
- kowtow
  
  Forget re cycling.
  
  Climate change ,which is real , is driven by solar cycles .
  
  And if anyone thinks they can have any effect on that then they’re thick and deserve everything a Lab/Green regime would do to them.
  
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  July 9, 2023 1:12pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Recycling is 99% wasteful virtue signalling bullshit that can not withstand any economic, environmental or scientific scrutiny (ie it’s loved by Greens) https://youtu.be/NLkfpjJoNkA
  
  Almost all recycled plastic ends up being landfilled – there are just no markets for it. Glass is mostly not recycled either as contamination makes it uneconomic, metal recycling is useful, but if you factor in all the wasted resources, extra hot water and cleaning, additional recycling trucks, facilities and cleaning etc on this useless activity it is doing more harm than good.
  
  It would be better to just build garbage incinerators to burn all garbage, perhaps separating out metals prior to burning.
  
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  July 9, 2023 1:43pm
  - Benedict Yu
    
    In Japan, almost all plastic is incinerated (along with general rubbish). You separate out your plastic waste so they put it in the correct incinerator. 🙂 True.
    
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    July 9, 2023 5:07pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Newsflash, Benedict: nothing that man has done or can do is going to affect climate change.
  
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  July 9, 2023 1:57pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Why on earth would I want to try and make the earth a colder, even more inhospitable, place? Thank goodness we have FF to help protect us.
  
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  July 9, 2023 2:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

On Youtube looking for something and I stumbled on this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFwuT2ntVS8
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July 9, 2023 12:33pm
- mandk
  
  What search term were you using, Steve?
  
  I’m guessing something like: What is the upside of being deaf.
  
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  July 9, 2023 1:06pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I was looking for comedy about a man hears silence for the first time in 10 years.
    
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    July 10, 2023 9:09am
Maggie Pie

Looks loike the Gendarmes have finally had a real gutsful of all the shiite going down in France……

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1677716183997374464

Import the 3rd world – become the 3rd world.
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July 9, 2023 12:58pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  Foch around and Find Out!
  
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  July 9, 2023 1:04pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The indigenous Europeans are fed up to the back teeth with this immigration from the 3rd world. Dutch Govt has just collapsed as two of the 4 parties were anti doing anything about immigration.
  
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  July 9, 2023 3:46pm
I remember when

Up coming Taylor Swift tour expected to generate over US$1 billion in sales.
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July 9, 2023 1:34pm
- Ghost
  
  That’s nothing, wait until the upcoming movie based on Jacinda’s book….
  
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  July 9, 2023 1:38pm
- kowtow
  
  How big de carbon footprint .
  
  I imagine her fans are the type to be easily scared by apocalyptic media reports.
  
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  July 9, 2023 1:59pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Maybe. But you try getting a flight to Sydney or Melbourne on the requisite dates.
    
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    July 9, 2023 5:58pm
sirknz

I mean, if only there was some government owned bank that could set up prisoners with a very basic bank account before they left prison.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/132427008/prisoners-paying-a-double-price-for-their-crimes-report-suggests-as-some-struggle-to-get-money-lives-on-track

Pity that there doesn’t seem to be anything that the Coalition of Chaos could do for their core voters in this regards…
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July 9, 2023 1:43pm
graham

Aunty Heihei talks about the proposal to boycott Spark – and nails it.

https://www.tiktok.com/@auntyheihei3.0/video/7253306322496670978

This isn’t about whether Spark supports rainbow youth or whatever. It is about Spark disrespecting a large majority of their customers and attempting to shut down any conversations that they feel uncomfortable about.
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July 9, 2023 2:28pm
Maggie Pie

WATCH

Can’t help but really luv this guy….pie in hand and all 😀

https://tiktok.com/@rik.retimana/video/7253032991692279042

As my my partner has often said…… we need to have an intrusive audit into each and every one of these bast*rds!
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July 9, 2023 2:32pm
Chris Nisbet

Serious question. If a news story by legacy media about a car fire doesn’t tell me anything about the type of car (ICE vs EV), should I assume it’s an EV?
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July 9, 2023 2:37pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Yes!
  
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  July 9, 2023 3:34pm
- miltonF
  
  Yes and no. Statistically speaking, most cars on the road are ICE vehicles. ICE vehicles are statistically much more likely to catch fire than EVs however EVs tend to be a bigger problem when they do catch fire.
  
  But then there’s the novelty aspect. ICE car fires don’t tend to make the news much because they are so common. Typically there’s half a dozen or more ICE car fires every single day, in NZ alone. So it is nothing “special” to report on and doesn’t generate anti-EV rage clicks/views.
  
  You’re probably right. But not for the reason you think.
  
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  July 9, 2023 5:58pm
  - Dougal10
    
    So car engines going up in flames every day . I struggle to believe that.
    
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    July 9, 2023 6:11pm
    - Mike
      
      During the eight-year period there were on average around 3,370 vehicle fires per year in New Zealand.
      
      https://ir.canterbury.ac.nz/handle/10092/14754
      
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      July 9, 2023 7:18pm
      - Dougal10
        
        That doesn’t mean the internal combustion engine was responsible.
        
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        July 9, 2023 9:21pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Arsonists percentage?
        
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        July 10, 2023 9:13am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  No good things happen at 4am
  
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  July 9, 2023 6:02pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  They didn’t tell us, but the back of the car in the car vs truck crash on tonight’s news showed that it was a Subaru ICE vehicle.
  
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  July 9, 2023 6:42pm
Maggie Pie

Kaviti Cam seems to have his ‘spies’ everywhere 😎

So, would it be cheaper for Chippy and his hangers-on to fly up front on Emirates, rather than have a second Bowing 757 follow them everywhere?

https://twitter.com/kaiviti_cam/status/1677579110552571905
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July 9, 2023 3:09pm
Ghost

Men CAN breastfeed! SUCCESS?!

A biological man has “successfully” breastfed an adopted child. The trans-identified man was able to take a course of hormone therapy in preparation to feed an adopted baby, according to a recent case report. This is medical experimentation on an infant. There is no other way to put it.

Poor child
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July 9, 2023 3:59pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Hang on – I thought I was meant to think that a man who identifies as a woman is a woman. In which case, experts have just found a way to help a woman breastfeed a baby, right? Is the guy a bloke or not!? This trans business is so confusing!
  
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  July 9, 2023 4:13pm
  - Ghost
    
    I believe this may help explain it to you
    
    I fully support General Florg and his actions
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enisdXlVhzE
    
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    July 9, 2023 4:17pm
rouppe

Am I missing something?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-act-wants-17-year-olds-to-be-dealt-with-in-adult-courts/VRGQX4DPJVG6BDFHD6V23EIRII/

In 2016, the National-led Government, in a coalition with Act, took 17-year-olds out of the adult justice system.

The changes, which came into force in 2019, meant lower-risk 17-year-old offenders would be dealt with by the Youth Court, which had more of a focus on rehabilitation, community sentences and addressing the root causes of offending.

Serious and violent 17-year-old offenders continued to be dealt with by adult courts, such as for murder, manslaughter, sexual assaults, aggravated robbery, arson, or serious assaults.

OK, sounds like a plan to sort the bad ones out and deal with them appropriately.

Seymour said 17 was an age when young people should understand that consequences come from breaking the law and that they would be held accountable for doing so.

He cited a recent example of a 17-year-old avoiding prison after violently beating a 78-year-old man in his own home and leaving him for dead.

Well, if the existing law were followed, wouldn’t the person in that example be dealt with in the adult system?
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July 9, 2023 4:17pm
- Mike
  
  It’s almost as if politicians make announcements about things which they don’t fully comprehend.
  
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  July 9, 2023 5:53pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300920493/big-commissioner-big-personality-big-mistake-how-meng-foons-job-fighting-racism-came-to-an-abrupt-end
Thank God he has gone. He could only see one colour for years.
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July 9, 2023 4:56pm
Maggie Pie

Am I right – or am I left?

Just been in the kitchen preparing tonites dessert and thinking to myself…

It’s a biological IMPOSSIBLITY for anyone born with a penis and testicles to become a WOMAN, even after they’ve undergone gender reassignment surgery.

https://quora.com/profile/Swameya-Roy
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July 9, 2023 5:13pm
- KKKKatee
  
  Totally agree.
  
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  July 9, 2023 8:40pm
Swifty

We have become saturated with race. Soaking in it. It seeps from our very pores.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/493429/it-s-not-enough-to-be-a-bystander-students-make-a-stand-against-racism

One day these people might wake up and realise there are far, far bigger issues facing this country.

They might also one day realise how they’ve been duped into this racial preoccupation and that they have fed a monster that will never, can never, be satiated.
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July 9, 2023 5:24pm
- Mike
  
  People who have never experienced racism might well feel that there are far, far bigger issues. Or perhaps they understand what racism is, but merely lack insight or empathy.
  
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  July 9, 2023 5:51pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/300924173/auckland-bus-drivers-to-strike-on-monday-with-up-to-700-morning-trips-to-be-affected
F**king unions.
God I loathe them.
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July 9, 2023 5:24pm
- Mike
  
  Than don’t join one.
  
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  July 9, 2023 5:49pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

“Government had invested $13.3 million into the strategy to ensure Pacific communities stayed connected, learnt and grew their languages …. Data from the Pacific Language Strategy revealed 50% of i-Kiribati in New Zealand spoke the language, but the numbers were lower for those under the age of 15”

So, the facts suggest that the i-Kiribati can’t be bothered teaching their own language to their own kids, but the taxpayer should fund this instead.

Sorry, but this is not my problem. Sort it yourself, or not, but get your hand out of my pocket.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/132500406/kiribati-language-week-ikiribati-push-to-save-language-for-future-generations
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July 9, 2023 6:34pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s hard for some folks to accept that if their parents and grandparents didn’t speak to them in their first language, it might have been for the reason that they didn’t want to restrict their children’s opportunities.
  
  I never heard my Grandparents or Father expressing regret that they were not Gaelic speakers….and as far as I could tell, none of them had any desire to return to their Island hame.
  
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