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Mark Hanley

Labour MPs corrupt ‘get rich quick from their time in parliament’ scheme is slowly but surely exposed.

“National claims contracts around Covid and Smokefree New Zealand went to Henare’s partner’s ad agency.” (newstalk ZB)

In January I opined in kiwiblog..

“The NZ voter has to push for a detailed audit of all government spending over the last 5 years to find out where the wasted billions ended up.

We also need better controls on government spending and conflicts of interest so inexperienced and undereducated labour mps are discouraged from seeking public office to make their fortunes. ”

Recently Thomas Cramner wrote:
“there does urgently need to be a complete and comprehensive overhaul of the laws and regulations relating to conflicts of interests, complete with independent oversight”

We also need harsh consequences if conflicts of interest policies are breached.

So what can you do?

Advocate for parliamentary oversight which can be used to shed light on corrupt MPs putting our money into their back pockets (Citizen’s referenda is my preferred solution).

Insist that Ashley Bloomfield, Grant Robertson, Chris Hipkins, and Jacinda Adern are investigated to uncover why they lied to our fine nation about medsafe’s report on the safety and effectiveness of the covid jab.

Insist on a forensic audit of all government spending and an investigation into the wealth and sources of income of the Labour Hierarchy and their family.

There is a reason the Labour Hierarchy poisoned an entire nation, effectively killing tens of thousands of Kiwis.

We need to know what that reason is.
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July 8, 2023 8:02am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Looks like the Aussies are going to reject The Voice. If so they will be smarter than Kiwis. They have seen thru the bull shit and realised its not about helping the Aborigines but like here its all about enriching the Elites at the expense of everyone else.
  Pity Kiwis werent smart enough to demand the ToW and all its bull shit be confined where it belongs to history. This divisive bull shit has no place in a fully functioning democracy in the 21st Century. It belongs in the 19th Century.
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:33am
  - Opie
    
    At least they get the chance to vote on it.
    
    We have had this forced on us by stealth.
    
    It’s all starting to be very clear. Should this government remain in later this year, it will prove that a majority of people stand against my minimum standard for society, that everyone has equal rights.
    
    If Australia reject a race based takeover by the elite, i will join the exodus and go enjoy their democracy. Yes, I will take my $50k in tax with me (plus gst)…
    
    The better weather along with better education and health systems will be a bonus.
    
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    July 8, 2023 9:59am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Opie our $78,000 coming with you.
      
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      July 8, 2023 1:58pm
  - Grumpy Silver Haired Female
    
    But we weren’t given the option of voting for or against, unless I missed something. The imposition of all things Maori arrived, by stealth. We are being bullied to accept emotional claptrap without benefit to our nation.
    
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    July 8, 2023 10:04am
    - David George
      
      ACT are promising (obviously depends on agreement from partners) clarification and a referendum on the treaty’s place in modern New Zealand. One of the reasons I’ll be giving them my vote.
      
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      July 8, 2023 10:53am
    - pdm
      
      Grumpy – October 14th is probably our only chance of overturning it.
      
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      July 8, 2023 10:57am
    - mawm
      
      Grumpy – No we were not. Remember how John Key sent Pita Sharples off to NY in the middle of the night to sign UNDRIP? Any person with a lick of common sense could predict where this would go. Unforgivable.
      
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      July 8, 2023 11:09am
      - Sideoiler
        
        ……Any person with a lick of common sense could predict where this would go……
        
        Yes, even Helen Clark refused to sign up to it.
        I thought Key was a reasonable PM when he was in charge, but he blew more political capital than any other PM has ever had. I don’t think history is going to be that kind to him.
        
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        July 8, 2023 11:22am
      - kowtow
        
        As McAnutly pointed out the other day , Maori special rights to water have been in the legislation since 2014 . He said no one batted an eye lid then.
        
        Then it was “may” , now it’s ‘must’.
        
        The two main parties , merely a change in emphasis .
        
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        July 8, 2023 11:30am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        I read UNDRIP and I agree with Key’s summation that we complied before he signed it.
        
        The Labour Hierarchy used UNDRIP as an excuse to funnel millions into the coffers of the Maori King’s family. See my comment above as to why.
        
        https://www.un.org/development/desa/indigenouspeoples/wp-content/uploads/sites/19/2018/11/UNDRIP_E_web.pdf
        
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        July 8, 2023 12:01pm
      - mawm
        
        Mark – but UNDRIP codified it. I draw an analogy between most of colonised Africa where the white settlers and the brown natives were separated in so many ways, but it was South Africa that put apartheid into law.
        
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        July 8, 2023 1:12pm
  - Dave
    
    I hope all those who agree with lastmanstanding’s last paragraph have made their submissions on the proposed electoral reforms at
    
    https://consultations.justice.govt.nz/policy/ier-draft-recommendations/consultation/subpage.2023-04-03.4869216914/
    
    due by the 17th.
    
    It didn’t take me very long to reject a number of the recommendations, make some tart comments about them, and express a preference for the principles of modern liberal democracy over the alleged principles of the T*W.
    
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    July 8, 2023 10:06am
  - Piniwi
    
    We might expect lastmanstanding that that is why we think all those Maori Ministers appear to be so useless and they all preoccupied with their own Caucus matters that are only about how to push the Maorification. We have to concede they have made so much more headway in convincing and controlling Labour and even got a special holiday that nobody is bothered more than getting another day off. Labour are so scared of loosing them they trew them $1 billion in the last budget to buy their vote.
    
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    July 8, 2023 12:32pm
  - leoj
    
    Funny how iwi has to be consulted about almost every major construction site or new roading project and is resolved or settled when whitey fronts up with the money.
    
    The maori elite are not much different from the Chicago mafia. Shakedowns are commonplace.
    
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    July 8, 2023 4:45pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    The self righteousness is very strong in the “yes” cult.
    
    I wouldn’t put fiddling the vote past them.
    
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    July 8, 2023 7:46pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Yes, voting forms will be printed on Sandpaper (ah la cricket ball tampering).
      
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      July 8, 2023 8:57pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The google machine says Ardern’s net worth is $25M.
  That is a small kickback for $2B worth of vaccines.
  Locking the place down, forcing vaccines, forcing masks, instilling fear porn, lying constantly, and she got paid for it. Just remember, no information was ever reported by NZ Media.
  Now if I was given that amount, I would run too, before the truth caught up with me.
  
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  July 8, 2023 10:12am
  - pdm
    
    Steve – there must be big profits in wrapping Fish and Chips.
    
    Or did she win big in Lotto?
    
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    July 8, 2023 11:00am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Apparently she was very very good at wrapping fish and chips. Good money in it I hear if you’re prepared to work hard.
      
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      July 8, 2023 11:15am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Work is a four letter word.
        
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        July 8, 2023 1:15pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Lancet Study on Covid Vaccine Autopsies Finds 74% Were Caused by Vaccine – Study is Removed Within 24 Hours
    
    For those with the time and the will to get into the detail it is all here.
    
    https://dailysceptic.org/2023/07/06/lancet-study-on-covid-vaccine-autopsies-finds-74-were-caused-by-vaccine-journal-removes-study-within-24-hours/
    
    Make your own mind up, there is no doubt that the ‘vaccines’ kill people. The only unknown is how many. That information is being covered up, censored and memory holed where possible.
    
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    July 8, 2023 11:08am
    - mawm
      
      This shows the importance of performing autopsies on all covid/mRNA deaths, which Fauci discouraged. Until such time as all such deaths have postmortem, appropriately stained microscopic examinations of all tissues nobody can conclude that the death was not vaccine related. Our numbers of vaccine deaths are meaningless.
      
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      July 8, 2023 11:32am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        mawm – exactly. This is the big chance for the government and their ‘experts’ to silence those ‘anti vaxxers’ and purveyors of mis and disinformation. This is how they end the speculation.
        
        ANY sudden or unusual death should be tested for vaccine involvement. Within 6 months there will be clear evidence one way or the other whether the vaccine has contributed to the worrying large increase in all cause mortality.
        
        That’s how the real science works.
        
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        July 8, 2023 12:11pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Oh, and just to add to the ‘conspiracy theory’, along with alarming increased all cause mortality which ‘coincidentally’ correlates with the vaccine rollout in ever country, there is now concerning data showing a dramatic drop in birth rates.
      
      This also correlates with the ‘vaccine’ rollout. Pure coincidence of course. //
      
      https://open.substack.com/pub/igorchudov/p/antivaxxers-blamed-for-hijacking?r=11s70p&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
      
      But it’s ok, the ‘fact checkers’ are on the case and the actual reason is climate change! Obvious really.
      
      Oh, and of course, those naughty ‘anti vaxxers’ are hijacking the data. The data isn’t fake, but apparently pointing out the correlation with ‘vaccine’ rollout isn’t fair.
      
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      July 8, 2023 11:32am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Everyone should watch Dr John Campbell discussing Dr Vibeke Manniche’s Viral vaccine paper.
      
      Of particular interest to Kiwis as we received the 4.2% of pfizer covid jab batches which are causing 71% of the suspected adverse reactions.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgldG9r-i9M
      
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      July 8, 2023 11:33am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Dr Campbell is excellent. It has been quite the journey watching him become red pilled over the last 2 years.
        He was initially a staunch supporter of the jabs, but he’s very thorough at statistical analysis and he slowly realised things weren’t adding up. Then methodically went through the issues and explained them well to the layperson.
        
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        July 8, 2023 12:18pm
      - mawm
        
        He’s also very good at not saying what he’s not allowed to say but getting the message across anyway.
        
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        July 8, 2023 1:16pm
      - leoj
        
        Send link to David in denial Seymour plus wimps Luxon and door-to-door jab Bishop.
        
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        July 8, 2023 4:48pm
    - miltonF
      
      Just heard about another unfortunate vaccine injury in my circle. Same as my friend experienced earlier, which I’ve mentioned on this blog. Brain swelling/fluid in brain, leading to brain damage and loss of vision. Same demographic as my friend. Mid 30’s female.
      
      It fits with the studies showing a large increase (doubling from memory?) of blindness in the community post vaccination.
      
      I do not think it is a coincidence that many young people are suffering heart attacks, strokes, diabetes, blindness, tinnitus, immune system disorders, nervous system disorders.
      
      It is a tragedy.
      
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      July 8, 2023 5:21pm
  - RichardX
    
    Why are you not as interested in Trump’s USD100 million kickback?
    
    There is as much evidence of Trump receiving such a payment as there is for what you are alleging Ardern received.
    
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    July 8, 2023 11:43am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      ” Trump’s USD100 million kickback?” Don’t know anything about it. I don’t watch CNN/MSNBC.
      I’ll have a look later. The speaker of the house wants to go to the mall.
      
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      July 8, 2023 1:58pm
      - RichardX
        
        There is no evidence of Trump taking a kickback, just as there is no evidence of Ardern taking a kickback.
        
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        July 8, 2023 4:21pm
  - RichardX
    
    Steve – You appear to take one claim from an unidentified source on the internet, believe it to be true for no discernible reason and create your own fantasy around it.
    
    Little wonder you post nonsense much of the time.
    
    You use google and appear to believe what it tells you.
    Maybe you should use it to verify other “facts” you find from your dodgy sources.
    
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    July 8, 2023 11:50am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Where did I say I believe it to be true, Richard?
      The google machine says $25M, but there are no items debunking this. The whole thing is 75/25 satire – which lefties just don’t get.
      
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      July 8, 2023 1:20pm
      - SoloView
        
        @ Steve O.
        Here’s debunker fo you
        https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/claims-about-jacinda-arderns-wealth-not-worth-a-brass-razoo/
        
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        July 8, 2023 2:53pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Soloview I wouldn’t trust AAP at all. Thanks anyway.
        
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        July 8, 2023 8:24pm
      - RichardX
        
        Steve….do you believe anything you post or do you know it is wrong before you post it?
        
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        July 8, 2023 11:52pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @ Solo View.
        
        https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/op_ed_aap_needs_to_fact_check_itself
        
        Oh, who to believe. Taxpayer’s Union would not do this unless AAP was full of shit!
        
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        July 9, 2023 9:07am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Solo View.
        
        From the Taxpayer’s Union post:
        “The AAP Fact Checker should no longer be taken as fact in this campaign.”
        
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        July 9, 2023 9:08am
  - Ghost
    
    Ardern is not worth 25 million, that was a myth.
    
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    July 8, 2023 12:11pm
    - Mark Hanley
      
      We have a Schrodinger’s cat scenario with the $25m claim. Until we lift the lid of the box, Adern both is and isn’t worth $25m.
      
      But we are still none the wiser as to why, after receiving the medsafe report concluding the covid jab was neither safe nor effective, Adern told the nation the opposite and mandated we all have the jab.
      
      Why did she do that RichardX?
      
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      July 8, 2023 12:21pm
      - Ghost
        
        Not really, the pecuniary interests showed Ardern’s assets, the stupid claim of $25 million came from apumone.com. The site is not credible and provides zero evidence. People look stupid even bringing this up.
        
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        July 8, 2023 12:40pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Richard will not answer you. Sometimes I think Richard is Mike in drag.
        
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        July 8, 2023 1:22pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        and Ghost?
        
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        July 8, 2023 1:26pm
      - RichardX
        
        Some of us have lives outside of Kiwiblog and the amount of fallacious reasoning present these days means I visit less often.
        I am not expressing any level of support for Ardern but arguments from ignorance or personal incredulity are fallacies.
        
        Put forward your hypothesis and the supporting evidence and I may find it convincing. Nothing Steve has offered comes close to convincing me of anything.
        
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        July 8, 2023 4:16pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      It’s from one of those links that’s likely to set the scammers loose on you, or have people trying to sell you cryptocurrency. If you click on sh*t like that, you open yourself up to all sorts of nefarious stuff.
      
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      July 8, 2023 1:51pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Did you ask her Bank Manager?
      Maybe a contact at Blackrock? She went there for a reason.
      
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      July 8, 2023 2:00pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    That can NOT be right. Factually and morally.
    
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    July 8, 2023 3:01pm
- Piniwi
  
  Thanks Mark but this is already being done on a less formal way and at no cost to the tax payers. National are conducting a line by line check in all expenditure by Shadow Ministers for their particular areas of concern. It is also essential for them to know this to not just keep Labour accountable, identify wasteful spending as frequently stated but also help with formulating to get the most out of expenditure. It is also abundantly clear that the mammoth mess to be cleared up will keep will more than anything else keep them all busy.
  
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  July 8, 2023 12:25pm
  - Mark Hanley
    
    Piniwi, I’d be extremely surprised and worried if National weren’t reviewing expenditure and making a plan. They will have to act very very quickly to limit the enormous damage so need to be prepared.
    
    I’m advocating they use the resources of state when they gain power to follow the money trails.
    
    For example, Wayne Brown identified the enormous wasteful spending on road cones.
    
    I’d like to know which road maintenance companies and which road cone manufacturers received the money.
    
    Then I’d like those companies to be investigated and monitored for any current or future links to politicians /civil servants.
    
    A very difficult task I know but the Labour Hierarchy aren’t that bright so there will be plenty of clues. Failure to hold the Labour Hierarchy to account will see a repeat of the corruption in 9 to 12 years which will make the cost of the forensic audits look like chicken feed.
    
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    July 8, 2023 12:47pm
    - Paulus
      
      Believe that road cones are produced in China and shipped by the millions in recent times.
      
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      July 8, 2023 1:19pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      The problem National has is that they can’t rely on any financial forecasts until the PREFU in September; the official “opening of the books”. Only then will anyone know just how bad things are.
      
      I still remember 2008 when the PREFU was predicting a “decade of deficits” as the Global Financial Crisis began to bite, but even then it was only a guideline. When the briefings to incoming Ministers took place, our financial position was already significantly worse than the PREFU had forecast, in just a matter of weeks.
      
      That’s why the downturn in the Grown accounts this week was so concerning. Tax revenue down by $2, indicating a lowdown in business, the deficit heading for $2 billion MORE than forecast (and the forecast was bad enough), and net Crown debt up $5B over forecasts of just a couple of months ago. Robertson can go on all day about how robust our economy is, but the fact is, it’s not robust at all.
      
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      July 8, 2023 1:57pm
Opie

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/barry-soper-senior-political-correspondent-on-peeni-henares-potential-conflict-of-interest/

Could Peeni be in the shit here?

While he was associate health minister, advertising contracts from the ministry of health were awarded to the company run by his partner.

There is nothing anyone could say that would make me think this is ok.

Arrogance?
Entitlement?
Incompetence?

Nope, it’s straight out corruption.
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July 8, 2023 8:08am
- Nickc2
  
  Don’t expect any repucions, he’s one of the Maori elite!
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:44am
  - Opie
    
    If Mahutacorp was above board, these guys look squeaky clean!
    
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    July 8, 2023 10:02am
- artemisia
  
  Tatou ad agency does seem to be a Kimura family affair.
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:44am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    You’re not wrong there:
    
    https://twitter.com/thejess_monster/status/1677410392304410624
    
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    July 8, 2023 2:01pm
- Opie
  
  And the payments involved are now approaching half a million.
  
  The agency involved also has henares brother and sister working for it, as well as 2 close relatives of his partner.
  
  Get your thieving hands off my taxes.
  
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  July 8, 2023 1:21pm
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An excellent article by Janet Wilson in Stuff. It clearly lays out Nationals and Luxon’s problems. As the cafe owner clearly explained “we don’t know you”. For many of us undecided we don’t see National as an alternative and ACT is a step to far.
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July 8, 2023 8:10am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  “ACT is a step too far”
  Yeah, I’ve always been a bit wary of this ‘democracy-is-better-than-the-alternative’, ‘smaller-govt-is-better-govt’, ‘we-prefer-free-speech-over-the-alternative’, (you get the picture) thing as well.
  I totally get why many would prefer this current bunch of incompetent money wasters intent on having us ruled by unelected people whose ancestors got here first.
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:35am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    It will be a different story when National enter the next phase of their election campaign.
    
    Phase 1. Sort out underperforming National caucus. DONE
    Phase 2. Finalize Nationals objectives and policies. DONE
    Phase 3. Negate the despicable NZ media by conducting nationwide meet and greet sessions. UNDERWAY.
    Phase 4. Unleash National’s record beaking campaign funds.
    
    We can expect high quality saturation electoral advertising soon.
    
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    July 8, 2023 10:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is where we are headed under Co-Governance.
    Democracy dies, Tyranny replaces it. Tyrannical rule by the Elite Maori.
    
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    July 8, 2023 10:20am
- Yabster
  
  Lol that’s the first time I have heard Janet Wilson referred to as excellent… obviously lines up with sparrows left leaning ideals as Wilson is a liebore lackey.
  Straws are being grasped….
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:38am
- Philview
  
  My one gripe is that polls indicate a Labour/ Greens/TPM Coalition Government come October and there is no media analysis on what sort of policy is coming our way and red lines. New Zealand is sleepwalking towards a very extreme Government.
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    See above.
    
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    July 8, 2023 10:22am
- Mike H S
  
  Sparrow Can you confirm to me and our fellow KB readers that you would prefer to vote for Labour again because you don’t see someone else as an alternative. Might I suggest that ANYONE (except the Greens) would be a better alternative to this bunch of incompetent spendthrifts?
  
  Do you appreciate that the inflation that we are experiencing is totally Robertson’s responsibility? He was and is unable to curb this government’s spending. Read any book on economics and you will see that governments’ excessive spending always leads to inflation. The financial pain being experienced by everyday New Zealanders is totally Robertson’s responsibility.
  
  If you have any sense of reality, I don’t see how you could possibly vote Labour again until those on the Treasury benches are no longer in Parliament.
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Wise words. But people don’t read books, they get their information off the internet thingy. It is full of disguised lies!
    
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    July 8, 2023 10:25am
    - SoloView
      
      @ Steve O.
      If all the info on the internet about Covid, Biden, Trump, Ukraine etc is “disguised lies”?
      
      How do I know what to believe…
      
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      July 8, 2023 3:20pm
      - wsk12345
        
        Get some critical thinking skills.
        
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        July 8, 2023 3:54pm
- rouppe
  
  So if National isn’t an alternative and ACT is a step to far, where are you going?
  
  Anti 5g? Destiny church? Come on…
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:57am
  - Mike H S
    
    Legalise canabis I suspect.
    
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    July 8, 2023 11:30am
    - Sparrow
      
      Wow never realised I could stir up so much shit. I never said I was going to vote for Labour or any party come to that. Just said I thought the article was excellent at pointing out the problems National and Luxon had of being an alternative. As an undecided was far from convinced about National and knowing the past policies of ACT and the characters who started it they are far too right for me. Yes I can assure KBs that I will not be voting Labour even though a life long labour supporter and a one time member when it was a Labour Party. This bunch of incompetents will not be getting my vote. Most likely will not vote not even the “happy baccy” party. Had my first puff at 75 did nothing except great laughter from others. So KBs there you have it a self confessed lefty who had a drag at 75. I presume I am joining Mike with automatic down ticks even if I state David Seymour walks on water. Have fun I do.
      
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      July 8, 2023 1:37pm
      - rouppe
        
        Yeah, fair comment.
        
        The thrust of my statement was that actually, no party is perfect. But perfect is the enemy of good enough.
        
        Everyone will have to weigh up the options, and in reality there will be few who don’t have to hold their nose at some things about their choice.
        
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        July 8, 2023 3:52pm
      - mawm
        
        Sparrow – ACT can hardly be described as a right wing party. It is more libertarian than RW. I know the MSM like promoting it as extremely RW.
        
        From a statement on their principles –
        We believe it is inherent in the nature of human beings as individuals that they are the owners of their own lives and must be free to act according to their own judgments so long as they accept and respect the like freedom of others.
        
        The above probably encapsulates the reason many who previously supported ACT are so angered by Seymour and his failure to support New Zealanders’ bodily autonomy and individual sovereignty during Ardern’s covid response. If he can’t stick to the primary principle of his party then he is just a windbag and lowers himself to the level of untrustworthiness that the past leader of NZ 1st.
        
        https://www.act.org.nz/principles
        
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        July 8, 2023 4:29pm
- Prince
  
  Interesting that one cafe owner’s throwaway comment has sparked a whole media frenzy about ‘we don’t know you’.
  It’s going to be a brutal election campaign if this is how the media trawl the country looking for some comment they can turn into several articles.
  
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  July 8, 2023 10:22am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    You’re not wrong. In the meantime Christopher Luxon packed out a hall in Taupo with people standing five deep in the doorways, and Nicola Willis drew a crowd of around 200 in Feilding on Thursday night supporting the local candidate Suze Redmayne.
    
    National is not getting as obsessed with the polls as Labour activists and the media are. National MP’s and candidates are out campaigning every day, and talking to literally thousands of people who are struggling, and in some cases drowning in debt. Most banks put their interest rates up again this week, and when money is already tight and household budgets are stretched to the limit, that’s the last thing people need. Rural, provincial and even suburban New Zealand will vote with their wallets in 98 days time, and the media pack following Luxon and Hipkins around won’t have seen it coming.
    
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    July 8, 2023 11:47am
    - wsk12345
      
      So that’s 25000 meetings and you’ll have got to speak to everyone.
      He’s going to be a busy man.
      Sorry but I’m not paying to hear him speak which you had to last time I looked.
      
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      July 8, 2023 3:57pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Usually the way it works is the Party has to milk the Party faithful of funds to build up the Election Fund.
        So they charge to see Luxon.
        Once the Campaign is underway there will be public meetings but now the focus is on fundraising.
        
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        July 8, 2023 4:05pm
- kowtow
  
  Don’t be a turkey .
  
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  July 8, 2023 10:34am
- Opie
  
  Current National is labour from the early 2000s.
  
  Act is a centre right party.
  
  If act is a step too far for most, the country is truly fucked.
  
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  July 8, 2023 10:49am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    The more votes ACT get the faster the country will be unfucked!
    
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    July 8, 2023 8:26pm
- Manu-Rau
  
  I saw that news article . It was clearly a TV3 hit-job. Good luck to the air-headed Cafe owner if the Coalition of Racist Filth gets re-elected.
  
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  July 9, 2023 9:00am
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132500472/chris-hipkins-will-need-to-make-some-decisions-about-kiri-allan
I don’t give a hoot about a politician’s private life.
I’d be more interested to learn what Minister Allan has actually achieved in her professional position as a Minister of the Crown.
Being appointed as a Minister should not be the main, or only, achievement.
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July 8, 2023 8:11am
- Paulus
  
  She appears to have achieved what we used to say Sweet FA.
  But she us well upherself too !
  
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  July 8, 2023 8:26am
- slightlyrighty
  
  I am no apologist for Labour, but piling the work of sacked ministers onto a minister that has had a relationship end, another ex defect to TPM, and has not only had to deal with a couple of major disasters covered by her portfolios, as well as dealing with Grade 3 cancer was never going to end well. As a Cancer survivor, I can tell you that this alone is a huge mental strain, and the worst times can often come after the battle is won.
  
  The fact that the talent pool is so shallow in the Labour Caucus is putting a huge strain on the few MP’s of competence that have to carry the diversity quota hires….
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:00am
  - greybeard
    
    If her life is so stressful surely her best, if not only, option is to resign immediately and get herself back on track.
    Why would she remain an MP: money ? ego ?
    
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    July 8, 2023 10:13am
  - Prince
    
    She was recently appointed ‘Associate Minister of Finance’ !
    Just dwell on that for a while.
    What qualifications, when has she ever shown an aptitude ?
    
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    July 8, 2023 10:24am
    - cmm
      
      What does an associate minster even do?
      
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      July 8, 2023 11:08am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Steer Government contracts to Family members?
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/nanaia-mahuta-was-associate-minister-when-her-husbands-firm-was-awarded-government-contract/A65FQ6NYXHEDB2T3CUBZWSZFJU/
        
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        July 8, 2023 11:50am
      - cmm
        
        Yup, we know that Maggy…..
        What I meant was, what are they SUPPOSED to do? ie. How do they add value?
        
        Are they just a potential Minister in training, learning the ropes? Or do they actually have a function worth paying them for?
        
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        July 8, 2023 12:26pm
      - mawm
        
        cmm – my opinion of Labour Ministers is well reflected here. You might enjoy it. (1 min)
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbDgJN-j-PM
        
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        July 8, 2023 4:36pm
  - cmm
    
    Any person dealing with all those personal issues should not be an MP, let alone a minister.
    
    If your cancer/mental illness/whatever means you can’t do your job then you can’t do you your job.
    
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    July 8, 2023 11:07am
    - Burtland
      
      from Tamatha Paul – part of the new Wellington youthquake …
      
      “we need normal people, everyday people in positions to change things and positions of power, like teachers, nurses, people with a criminal record, people who have been members of gangs before, people who didn’t go to uni – we need real people being our decision makers”
      
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      July 8, 2023 11:57am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Personally, I think Kiri Allan should go on leave of absence until the election. There are so few sitting days before Parliament dissolves that her absence won’t make the slightest bit of difference; to Parliament anyway.
    
    But for her, a complete break from the media, including social media, and from the pressures of her portfolios is what she needs. It’s up to her to decide whether she campaigns to remain the MP for East Coast, or she may even choose to take three years away from the limelight as SR notes, she has gone through a lot in the last few years, and none of us is immune from being overwhelmed; I can report that, as a mental health survivor.
    
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    July 8, 2023 11:53am
    - Paulus
      
      I suspect that little Hutt boy will put her on Health leave grounds until the election, and give her a high list seat.
      She is unwell in many ways both physically and mentally.
      Sad really that she will not voluntarily accept this possibility as she is useless at her many non jobs.
      
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      July 8, 2023 1:32pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      @Tony Stuart
      “There are so few sitting days before Parliament dissolves that her absence won’t make the slightest bit of difference”
      Ok, so that begs the question, if Ministers and Associate Ministers don’t make any difference, what do they do all day?
      They are getting paid to provide governance and policy oversight at the very least.
      If a Minister is on leave, for whatever reason, who does their work? Or doesn’t it matter?
      
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      July 8, 2023 5:25pm
      - Ghost
        
        what do they do all day? Photoshoots while their staff are doing all the hard work…..
        
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        July 8, 2023 5:31pm
  - Manu-Rau
    
    Sorry, but I simply don’t care. The racist egotist Kiri Allan and her ilk have heaped untold misery on hundreds of thousands of New Zealanders. I’m not concerned in the slightest about her personal life.
    
    As for the cancer bit, my wife’s two best friends have lost their husbands to cancer in the past six months as a result of Labour’s decision to suspend screening during Covid. By the time they were screened, it was too late.
    
    Absolutely no sympathy here, whatsoever
    
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    July 9, 2023 9:08am
- blue collar
  
  Met her once , was very impressed , she was working as associate minister , relates very well to the working man .
  Speaks extremely well off the cuff , knowledgeable and good sense of humour reminded me of Seymour .
  I think she’s a good politician with flaws , demanding results from a slack bloated public service , a lot whom are milking it at home doesn’t bother me .
  Prone at the moment to not thinking before she speaks or messages which is a major , it’s a female trait to let emotions blur the judgement , our brains are wired differently and women aren’t as good as men at compartmentalising. Issues are always there front of mind and that’s why they they talk things through so much and blokes generally shut down .
  My take is she would make a great mayor . Get some years in and hv another go .
  She needs to understand the gravitas of being a minister , not the swashbuckling provincial hero on a crusade to do good .
  People can’t whinge about media having a go , they eviscerate nationals candidates , what’s good for goose is good for the gander
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:02am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    What you saw was when she was “on” but her poor staff and those in the ministries she oversees get to see her when she’s not touting for votes and have to experience the real Kiri Allan.
    
    My Nana taught me, you can tell a lot about someone by the way they treat their staff and those that serve them. I guess also by the way they behave when the cameras aren’t on them. Like many lefties there seems to be a strong sense of entitlement, arrogance and everything being everyone else’s fault.
    
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    July 8, 2023 9:32am
    - blue collar
      
      Fair point brother lodden!
      
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      July 8, 2023 7:53pm
- Swifty
  
  This is an important point Gravelroad.
  
  As a nation it is vital to our prosperity and the wellbeing of ourselves and of the generations which follow us that we demand more from our politicians and our civil institutions.
  
  There are those who would have us believe that merely having Maori women in government, or Pacific people, or lesbians, or ex-refugees, or gay Mexicans is somehow an achievement. Something that we should be content with. Somehow enough.
  
  No. No. No.
  
  It is results and only results that we must always remain focussed on – and irrespective of who occupies our House of Representatives at any point in time.
  
  This preoccupation with our representatives’ gender, sexuality, ethnicity etc is just a sideshow, in my view solely and purposefully designed to distract us from what we should be focussed on; their performance. Their achievements.
  
  They don’t want us to focus on those things because that is where they are at their weakest. Far, far more preferable for them to draw our attention to how much money they’ve spent, or won for their communities, or how many lezzies or Maori they’ve for in caucus, or how wonderful they are for throwing at us some crumbs in the form of a public holiday or a minimum wage rise, which any monkey could do.
  
  It’a one of the greatest disappointments of my adult life to come to understand how easily bought off we are as a people, how little we demand or settle for by those who would lord over us.
  
  They treat us like mugs because time after time we let them get away with it. We really are a feeble lot.
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:10am
- Opie
  
  She has achieved nothing as a minister, except for taking dodgy payments from meng foon.
  
  Seems like a perfect backup finance minister for a country in its most challenging financial situation ever.
  
  And according to the article and a deleted social media post, Allan’s girlfriend has already moved on and found new love within weeks (sounds more like she left her for someone else). Ms Allan must be a real piece of work.
  
  Now all this is very sad for her on a personal note, but ultimately she is paid 300k of taxpayer money per year to do a job which she isn’t doing.
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:41am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I heard a rumour that [Deleted – Mod]
    
    [Mod: Leave the rumours out.]
    
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    July 8, 2023 12:43pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Allan has done a few things internally, but externally for New Zealand she has done nothing that I can see.
  Another useless Minister – my love life is in the gutter.
  We don’t care – do your bloody job!
  
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  July 8, 2023 10:35am
  - Piniwi
    
    Too busy with Maori caucus issues to do any real job as is the case with all Maori members. Nobody can serve two masters.
    
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    July 8, 2023 12:58pm
- kowtow
  
  Anyone else remember how they were blathering on about how great she was , not that long ago , without any evidence.
  
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  July 8, 2023 10:36am
- miltonF
  
  Stuff have opened it up to comments. You know what that means. Kiri will “resign” in the next couple of weeks. Just going off past patterns.
  
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  July 8, 2023 5:58pm
Chuck Bird

It was hotter when Greenland was farmed and there were no V8s then.

Editorial: The hottest days in world history

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/editorial/ARQEOVIK5ZHZ3FN44KYQF7YNY4/
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July 8, 2023 8:12am
- tf78
  
  I read it was actually the hottest day since ….. 1979.
  
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  July 8, 2023 8:42am
- Local Miller
  
  Please let people know if articles are paywalled when you post the link, it gets quite frustrating going to links only to find they are paywalled.
  
  Thanks
  
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  July 8, 2023 8:52am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Is it acceptable to provide a summary of a paywalled item? By that I don’t mean copying and pasting the entire contents into a comment.
    
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    July 8, 2023 9:04am
    - David George
      
      I’ve never had a problem and it’s done regularly by Kiwiblog in their own stories. Always pays/courtesy to give a link and make it clear where it’s from as well maybe.
      
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      July 8, 2023 11:03am
  - Inandout
    
    LM, there is a silver lining here. No see, no care.
    
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    July 8, 2023 9:15am
  - Biscuit
    
    Gotta agree, Local Miller.
    
    Banes of my (modern) life:
    
    * Running into a paywall – especially when there was no hint in the link that a paywall was involved
    * Having to assert that I am NOT a robot
    * Having to tab down MANY levels on those dropdown ‘Year You Were Born’ menus
    
    Moan over!
    
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    July 8, 2023 9:28am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I don’t think the poster knows or gets notification it is paywalled when they post.
    I am not paying $1.50 to find out.
    
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    July 8, 2023 10:39am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Tony Heller and WUWT explain why these sorts of claims are such misleading nonsense.
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:41am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Yep. And read Ian Wishhart’s expose on NIWAs pathetic shenanigans in support of the climate-cult narrative. A microcosm of how the colossal “consensus” zombie is kept animated in all similar institutions.
    
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    July 8, 2023 7:52pm
Matt Long

The Waitangi Tribunal can’t rule on private land, but as Julian Batchelor has found there are other ways government can take property from private individuals without compensation.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christian-couple-fail-in-bid-to-stop-declaration-of-part-of-their-property-as-a-site-significant-in-maori-lore/BGSQHL234BHOLGTEZFKKBHHW6Y/
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July 8, 2023 8:15am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  This type of appropriation without due process is likely to increase in the future.
  
  Private property used to be private and you could do things with your own private property. Increasingly restrictions are being implemented that require an owner to go through hoops and pay fees to do things you used to be able to do freely.
  
  I’m not talking about large scale modifications but small things like building a deck outside your bedroom ranchslider on a rural property where no-one but you can see it.
  
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  July 8, 2023 8:29am
  - Mike
    
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    Who needs a building code, really?
    
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    July 8, 2023 9:26am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Who needs personal freedoms, really?
      
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      July 8, 2023 7:55pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  And there you have it. Maoris 1, Christians 0.
  
  ‘The appeal court decision said the Raikes’ Christian views were to be respected, and the Environment Court had noted this.
  
  “However, in the context of the statutory framework here, they were simply not a factor to be taken into account in the determination required of the Environment Court when considering cultural issues under [the Resource Management Act].
  
  “These requirements under the RMA recognise in this context, the ‘special regard to Māori interests and values’,” the Court of Appeal said.’
  
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  July 8, 2023 8:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Cultural beliefs overrule Religious Beliefs if you declare something ‘taonga?’
  Now we know why Co-Governance must be stopped. You will not own land or dwellings anymore.
  
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  July 8, 2023 8:59am
  - John Loveridge
    
    The bar is very low. Any old shit can be made up about “taonga”.
    
    “Hey, this place looks alright… we’ll go tell the government it’s a sacred site…”
    
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    July 8, 2023 9:09am
  - Benedict Yu
    
    They made a mistake arguing that the Maori legends were inconsistent with their religious beliefs. That was never going to work.
    
    The article does not spell out the practical effects of the decision. Does this mean that land cannot be developed? Because of mutton bird hunting and an historical trail? And the sky father was in play? Yeah that seems insane.
    
    Wayne’s analogy with heritage buildings is false equivalence. If you buy a property you know it is a heritage building. That’s is quite different to a farmer discovering that his land value has declined because the sky father used to be involved three centuries earlier.
    
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    July 8, 2023 9:32am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Sometimes houses are graded after an owner has bought. It would usually be only category 3. Done by local authorities. Plenty of people in Devonport have been so affected. Though as a general rule they don’t mind. The character of Devonport will have been one of the reason why they bought in the suburb. Nevertheless there have been some high profile planning hearings when owners wanted to do substantially more than the community considered appropriate.
      
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      July 8, 2023 10:18am
    - Paulus
      
      I was not at all aware that Maori had any religeous beliefs at all, until such time as Missinaries like Bishop Pompallier arrived after before the TOW.
      In 1836 it is claimed that he had some 36,000 converted Maori Catholics but this contradicts the reported total Maori at the time of the Treaty.
      
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      July 8, 2023 1:45pm
- Wayne Mapp
  
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  The land hasn’t been taken. Rather part of it has been declared to be of culture significance.
  I would suggest that is not much different to a house or building being subject to a historic places listing. With such houses the owner is restricted in what they can do with the house, particularly in terms of alterations.
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:09am
  - James Stephenson
    
    Wait for Iwi to scream if any of their land is declared special ecological significance though.
    
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    July 8, 2023 9:14am
    - Benedict Yu
      
      They already do. Well not land but same principle.. Resolute opposition to a major ocean marine sanctuary.
      
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      July 8, 2023 9:45am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Forestry and Fisheries were not in the original Treaty in Maori, then translated, known as the Littlewood draft.
        Forestry and Fisheries only appeared after the Waitangi Tribunal re-write by a dodgy customer Sir Hugh Kawharu.
        Did you read my post on this yesterday? If not, I wish you would. You are a very clued up man Benedict. We all welcome you back.
        
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        July 8, 2023 10:47am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Julian Batchelor is an Evangelic Christian Minister. I mention this because he is not a person to spread untruths.
        This video is 53 minutes. Info about Sir Hugh Kawharu is 19 minutes in.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVgY03s6Tqc
        
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        July 8, 2023 10:56am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Indeed,
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/444016/hikoi-of-hundreds-against-far-north-snas-to-follow-dame-whina-cooper-s-footsteps
      
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      July 8, 2023 10:02am
  - Swifty
    
    If the nation gathers benefits from such state action, ie there is an enhancement to the public good, but at the expense of the private owner – should the nation compensate the owner for their loss of amenity, utility or value as a result?
    
    If not, why not?
    
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    July 8, 2023 9:17am
  - Matt Long
    
    Exactly Wayne, and that is in fact how local activists attacked Batchelor, through the Historic Places Trust.
    You say that as though you do not value other people’s property rights.
    
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    July 8, 2023 9:17am
  - kowtow
    
    Private property rights subject to some bureaucrat’s diktat .
    
    Marvellous.
    
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    July 8, 2023 9:18am
  - Inandout
    
    WM, in the UK 2.5% of buildings/sites are declared Grade One (around 400,000). We have 100 so there is obviously plenty of work to be done by Maori Inc.
    
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    July 8, 2023 9:25am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Historic places buildings go from Grade 1 to Grade 3. Grade 1 buildings, though not all, are in some form of public owership. Most private buildings would be in 2 or 3, the latter being done by local council experts. My house is grade 3. I can do internal alterations, but I can’t change the external appearance.
      
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      July 8, 2023 9:42am
      - Benedict Yu
        
        Yes but I assume you knew that when you bought it. How many property owners are blissfully unaware that Maori myths and legends can be invoked to undermine their property rights?
        
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        July 8, 2023 9:47am
      - gravedodger
        
        [Mod – debate what is said without personal slants]
        
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        July 8, 2023 9:52am
      - Inandout
        
        WM, it appears London has its fair share of Grade 1 residential.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_I_listed_buildings_in_London
        
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        July 8, 2023 10:02am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Yes Wayne, but the historic places list is something that is real. The house or building is proof of the claims authenticity. With Maori “taonga”, they can just say that that is what it is. The court is taking their word for something that was never written down, has a decent likelihood of being myth and which no actual proof can be provided. This is a direct attack on property rights in NZ.
    
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    July 8, 2023 9:41am
    - Inandout
      
      IVV, indeed. UK people like rummaging through their history and as far as I know there are no ‘cultural laws’ preventing such actions. I doubt the Historical Places Trust members are ‘feelzy’ types.
      
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      July 8, 2023 10:05am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Wayne
    that’s like excusing theft because taxation is legal.
    
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    July 8, 2023 10:49am
  - cas
    
    We’ve got a few archaeological sites registered on our land and when we wanted to put in a pool, all we needed was a report from an archaeologist and everything went smoothly. Mind you that was some years ago.
    
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    July 8, 2023 11:25am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Sure Wayne, but it has to cut both ways. However if a church declared a piece of Maori land a place of cultural significance to Christians, all hell would break loose.
    
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    July 8, 2023 2:36pm
- Jack5
  
  How can muttonbird harvesting back in history be the basis for declaring a site a cultural treasure?
  
  Some hapu within Ngai Tahu still harvest muttonbirds on Foveaux Strait islands.
  
  Moa were once harvested all over the country. Could Maori claim taonga rights over the whole archipelago because of this?
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:18am
  - Bridgenag
    
    What about the middens of human bones?
    
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    July 8, 2023 9:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes, the whole archipelago if they are not stopped.
    This is 2023, not 1823.
    
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    July 8, 2023 11:07am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Can’t be much of a “taonga” if they ate it into extinction.
    
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    July 8, 2023 2:38pm
- artemisia
  
  Ngati Tukorehe opposed a consent application for a $60mill golf course at Ohau. Consent denied despite significant concessions. The owners might be allowed to do 9 holes though. Not going to happen.
  
  Owners are taking an appeal to the Environment Court.
  
  The area could do with an economic boost. Maybe Ngati Tukorehe could buy the land, pay out the owners so they can take their $60mill golf course off shore.
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:32am
  - Inandout
    
    arte, isn’t that Ms Ngobi’s electorate?
    
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    July 8, 2023 10:07am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      It is indeed, and it’ll be another nail in her political coffin. Along with Emily Henderson and Sarah Pallet, Ms Ngobi as one of the Accidental MP’s must have been in disbelief that she won in 2020, despite hardly doing any campaigning.
      
      But the good times are over, and the aforementioned MP’s along with a whole lot of their colleagues should have spend this recess working on their CV’s, ready for the job search that begins in just 98 days.
      
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      July 8, 2023 2:08pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  From August 4th, any landowner with an Area of Significant Natural features (SNA) will be under the eye of their local/District council .
  
  https://environment.govt.nz/publications/npsib-information-for-urban-developers/
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/129205886/confidential-significant-natural-areas-set-to-become-public-knowledge
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:34am
NeverMindTheBollocks

I took the train from Auckland to Wellington the other day (it’s a great trip, BTW). It was a Monday, just before a block of Parliament sitting days.

I walked up & down the carriages. There are about 40 Auckland-based MPs: not one to be seen. You’d think they’d be riding the rails, walking the climate change talk. They could have been busy caucusing, tapping away on laptops, zooming into calls, glad-handing their fellow passengers. Not so.

If they’re not prepared to travel by train, presumably because their working time is too important to them, why would anyone one else?
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July 8, 2023 8:17am
- Inandout
  
  NM, we did the Northener trip once and once we got to Papakura it slowed to a crawl and we reached Auckland’s terminal one hour later. A tourist run, rather than a regular commuter run.
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:29am
- rouppe
  
  Some time ago I was queuing at a gate for a flight to Auckland from Wellington.
  
  James Shaw slipped into the line behind me. The only reason I didn’t rip into him about not taking the train was that I was with my son.
  
  Ruined my whole flight
  
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  July 8, 2023 3:43pm
BeaB

Simon Wilson and the other member of The Panel airily dismissed the waste of $500,000 on RATs. If even supposedly informed people are not appalled by this extraordinarily expensive incompetence we can expect the whole debacle to be brushed off.
If there’s an impending shortage of onions, you buy a sack or two, not a tonne. What were these fools thinking?
And then there’s the suspicion that there’s even more they are hiding. This is a government of spin after all.
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July 8, 2023 8:23am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  $530 Million wasted, not $500,000!
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:36am
  - BeaB
    
    Sorry. My error.
    
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    July 8, 2023 10:25am
- Swifty
  
  $500 million, BeaB.
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Fools don’t think when it is opm, other people’s money.
  
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  July 8, 2023 11:16am
- Piniwi
  
  Right BeaB there sure to be all those bumps under the carpet too. The delays in waiting for the spin doctors to do their thing is also one of the reasons everything takes so long for any action.
  
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  July 8, 2023 1:32pm
imalwaysright

If the gangs are so fierce and warrior like and hate each other then why don’t they battle it out?

They know where each other lives.

What’s stopping them?

Probably exhausted from 15 of them beating and stabbing an innocent handicapped man who wore the wrong jumper.

Once were Cowards

Still Cowards.
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July 8, 2023 8:45am
- thirteenstars
  
  Not a bad idea for a TV show. Call it Utu Nui. Rope off a pub carpark in South Auckland and let ’em go for it.
  
  Winners gets complete immunity. Losers get a tangi in beautiful Opotiki.
  
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  July 8, 2023 10:43am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jake Heke will be around for a chat shortly.
  
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  July 8, 2023 11:18am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If the gangs are so fierce and warrior like and hate each other then why don’t they battle it out?
  
  That seems to be part of the daily training schedule in Oranga Tamariki Homes.
  
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  July 8, 2023 11:55am
Matt Long

Don Brash looks for a better way to manage inflation than interest rate hikes, that are a transfer of assets from vulnerable borrowers to the wealthy, and make our dollar too attractive to overseas investors. AKA the carry trade.
Too high a dollar is great for importers, but transfers wealth from exporters and manufacturers to people like Stephen Tindall, and wreck our balance of payments.
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/don-brash-the-social-consequences-of-controlling-inflation-through-monetary-policy?postId=08670701-8bea-442a-b3ad-4fa3c482dc78&cid=db970c6d-6f12-48e2-a04d-5c512f666dee
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July 8, 2023 8:49am
- Matt Long
  
  A simple solution would be to reduce government spending by similar percentages to the raising of the Official Cash Rate, instead of public servants paying more on their mortgages, their income would be reduced, who can say fairer than that?
  
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  July 8, 2023 8:52am
- mogg
  
  Robbo is now chasing inflation with taxpayer dollars (debt). Robbo is a simpleton time to get rid.
  
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  July 8, 2023 10:41am
Hugh Jarse

With Kiri Allen heading the media again this morning and the Henare situation developing strongly, is it likely Chippy will meet with Dazza Hughes in London looking for a job ?. Will Kelvin or Carmel be our new PM ?
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July 8, 2023 8:51am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Dazza pops back to NZ and meets his “mates” in Welly for a catch up every now and again.
  
  Who would employ Hipkins???
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:47am
- John Loveridge
  
  If Chippy is seen running naked down a London street you’ll have your answer.
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:52am
  - jon
    
    Ah just wondering if this Dazz Hughes was the MP who use to board at Annette King’s place!
    
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    July 8, 2023 12:47pm
    - John Loveridge
      
      That’s the fella.
      
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      July 8, 2023 2:39pm
- Paulus
  
  Carmel S is the favourite to lead Labour after the election – she has a large number of older women in the latest poll to support her.
  
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  July 8, 2023 1:50pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

NZ made vapes legal and demand exploded. Now Scotland wants to make all drugs legal.

I predict that this policy, if enacted, will not achieve the drug death reduction hoped for.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2023/07/scotland-proposes-making-all-drug-possession-legal.html
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July 8, 2023 8:52am
- Benedict Yu
  
  As a smoking quitting device, vaping seemed a good idea at the time.
  
  However I recall many vaping advocates laughing at the idea that non smokers would take up vaping, citing evidence that smoking in teenagers was no longer “cool”.
  
  The huge decline in teenage smoking rates over the last 25 years has indeed been a good thing. However teens are now embracing vaping. This raises an alternative hypothesis. Teenagers stopped smoking because as the price sky rocketed they could no longer afford to buy cigarettes. Now that a cheap source of nicotine is available they are all over it.
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:56am
  - cmm
    
    Vaping is designed to hook teens.
    WHo, do you think, is buying Red Cherry vape juice?
    
    “The CloudChaser Red Cherry provides the ultimate taste of the crushed sweet fruit richness…”
    
    And they are designed to hook people. Analysis of some samples found that even some of the so-called nicotine-free vapes contained nicotine.
    
    The coolness is in doing “vape tricks” etc as seen on Tiktok.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fOHJnIpgcc
    
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    July 8, 2023 10:46am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Containing an addictive chemical with no other purpose than creating addiction. What’s not to like for the manufacturers.
      
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      July 8, 2023 8:31pm
  - imalwaysright
    
    Nicotine isn’t the problem.
    Inhaling smoke and tar from burnt vegetation is the harmful part.
    Vaping is preferable and the cleaner nicotine delivery gives the user the rush without the risk.
    
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    July 8, 2023 11:07am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    3 guys at my work started vaping instead of smoking.
    I know there are many ‘flavours’ but they stopped smoking, then vaping, when I told them they all smell like a strawberry muffin!
    Nicotine is addictive yes, but what is that sickly vape residue doing to the lungs?
    
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    July 8, 2023 11:23am
Matt Long

Zion Wildlife Gardens, more twists than a soap opera and a better plot than the Lion Man series.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/132448661/jail-time-fatal-mauling-barbaric-declawing-exotic-cat-parks-chequered-history
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July 8, 2023 8:55am
NeverMindTheBollocks

RIP Kara Puketapu.

He was a fair man who worked within the system to support Maori development. Such a contrast to his successors.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300923555/he-was-a-leader-without-peer-moridom-mourns-te-ti-awa-elder
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July 8, 2023 9:02am
- John Loveridge
  
  Once upon a time Maori had leaders who could champion Maori causes and culture without trying to destroy the country and walk all over everybody else. They represented the best of both worlds.
  
  Now they have Rawiri Waititi and Tuku Morgan.
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:49am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Mayhap… but his family are deeply involved in pushing co-governance in Wellington. Go have a look.
  
  RIP Kara
  
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  July 8, 2023 12:53pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/the-truth-about-maori-children-being-strapped-for-speaking-te-reo/
A good speech by the 78 year old Tauranga man.
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July 8, 2023 9:05am
- rouppe
  
  ALL children were punished for speaking ANYTHING other than English.
  
  My siblings were physically punished for speaking Dutch.
  
  But as usual, Maori are making it all about themselves.
  
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  July 8, 2023 3:34pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Here’s today’s news for NZ Football: no one’s coming from overseas to the Women’s World Cup, because it’s too far away & too expensive to come for third rate football.
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July 8, 2023 9:07am
- Cinematic
  
  Third rate? You’re being way too kind. The goal keeping is particularly humorous.
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:31am
  - Ford Prefect
    
    Couldnt agree more. Ive always said the womens goalkeepers are the worst professional athletes in sport. Not sure how they make money at it.
    
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    July 8, 2023 10:26am
- cmm
  
  …but, but, but, wimminz football is better than men’s…. or something like that.
  
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  July 8, 2023 10:37am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Well, worth equal pay, because, umm, equity. Or something. But, give us the spondulikes!
    
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    July 8, 2023 12:51pm
blue collar

HOW TO STOP KILLER WHALES ATTACKING BOAT RUDDERS
Been reading about the multitude of attacks up around Spain and Gibraltar. They go for the rudders , sunk a couple of boats .
Differing theories why but I thought let’s as a group hv a serious/light hearted crack at how to stop the pests

My method would be to strap an anderwater speaker to the rudder or keel with celine dion screeching away full noise .
Be like those siren twats in Auckland . Surely no orca …. Or any living thing would go within cooeee of that !

Perhaps a jacinda or Kamala word salad speech blaring away would deter …. But we don’t want them to off themselves in sheer despair do we . Greenies would be up in arms if they beached themselves having given up on the world around them
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July 8, 2023 9:12am
- Blog-aholic
  
  What was it that Mallard had played at Parliament to upset the filth?
  The boats could turn on the sprinklers too….oh hang on a tick.
  
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  July 8, 2023 10:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Barry Manilow
    
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    July 8, 2023 11:36am
- kowtow
  
  Let the Jap whaling fleet do a reverse of the Tsar’s comic round the world epic in 1905 and they come to Europe to clean the lot up .
  
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  July 8, 2023 10:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I don’t know why they are doing this. Are Orca territorial? No. Do they have calves to protect?
  Many years ago I was out in the Rangitoto Channel in a 12 ft dinghy, drifting.
  An Orca came alongside. It was way longer that the boat. It just turned on it’s side, had a look at me then went away. Very intelligent, very inquisitive.
  Amazing.
  
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  July 8, 2023 11:43am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    One theory was a member of a pod was struck by a yacht somehow and its revenge attacks
    
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    July 8, 2023 1:34pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

No kids & happy, says this OP; bugger Chris L & his call for women to have families. No thought that she’ll not be contributing future tax & pension payers.

Apparently her husband is ok with this. Yeah, right. Brace yourself for a future tearstained article when he has a baby with a younger woman.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/132503777/my-fantastic-life-without-kids
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July 8, 2023 9:14am
- John Loveridge
  
  Whatever, it’s her opinion, her choice. On the other hand, my greatest joy has been my children, growing now into fine young adults. All that wonderful stuff being childless allows her to do, well, we do it together as a team. It’s a free world. You can choose.
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:45am
- rouppe
  
  They’re digging that up again?
  
  It’s like a rehash of a month ago. Pathetic
  
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  July 8, 2023 3:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Coke in the Whitehouse?
Joe and Hunter were at Camp David when the bag was found? That means nothing! Andrew Bates can not answer because of the ‘Hatch Act’
They are laying it on thick now!

https://valiantnews.com/2023/07/white-house-refuses-to-rule-out-hunter-as-secret-service-tests-cocaine-bag-for-finger-prints-dna/
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July 8, 2023 9:21am
Bridgenag

Friday Funnies – Non-Compliance Clouds the Issue:
Your life, your choice.

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/friday-funnies-non-compliance-clouds?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 8, 2023 9:28am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

101 crimes and counting.
This shit is only going to get worse as Democrats throw everything they can at Trump.
When Trump wins he will double down on crooks like Jack Smith And Alvin Bragg.
Trump is reckless, he makes it easy for his enemies. 3D chess, he is playing them.

https://valiantnews.com/2023/06/trump-will-soon-be-charged-with-101-crimes-and-counting-report/
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July 8, 2023 9:28am
Bridgenag

“Suppose two hundred people fall off a ship, into the cold, choppy, sea. After a few hours, twenty of them drown (those who could not swim) but the ship rescues the other one hundred and eighty.
Fortunately, there’s a mad scientist onboard with an experimental product to prevent drowning that is given to the survivors. It’s an injection that teaches the body’s own cells to fill up with air, making the whole body a floatation device! He claims it has effectiveness against drowning of up to 100%.*
A while later, conditions improve (the sea calms down and the weather warms up) and the one hundred and eighty who were previously rescued (the hardier, stronger swimmers) fall off the ship again! This time, though, they are all protected with the experimental product, of course.
After a few hours, another twenty of them drown.   * in testing the product was not deemed to be effective unless you had been in the water for at least two hours, which also happened to be the cut-off point of the test, and those who had been administered it who drowned within two hours of being in the water were included with those who had not. There was no reliable information on how long the body would keep producing inter-cellular air bubbles and no data on long-term outcomes.  Does the evidence support the claim that the product is “safe and effective” and the ulterior claim that it saved dozens of lives?   Would you want to take this experimental product (that was reported in the mainstream media to be as safe and effective as wearing a seatbelt in a car)?   Would you siphon off public funds to pay for it and perhaps mandate it, even for those who have a record of exemplary swimming prowess, banning professional swimmers from competing in competitions, unless they had also taken it?! “

https://open.substack.com/pub/metatron/p/the-covid-vaccines-saved-millions?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

At a minimum or at best if you prefer, the COVID “vaccine” failed to prevent any deaths at all. The evidence is indisputable and conclusive.
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July 8, 2023 9:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Do you think Jaspinda could understand that?
  OK, sorry, I should not have asked.
  
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  July 8, 2023 11:55am
  - KKKKatee
    
    No.
    
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    July 8, 2023 6:44pm
Rusty

I read that little booklet by Julian Batchelor “Stop co-governance”

While I don’t disagree with what he and others are saying, he then encourages the reader not to support any party who is in favour of it.

I assume he means Labour and the Greens but what about National and Act — what is their official position on co-governance ?
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July 8, 2023 9:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What it says is “Don’t vote for ant political Party which is going to continue with co-governance to any degree. Scrutinise their policy statements carefully.
  
  Vote for the political party that is going to completely abandon (not partly abandon) co-governance, scrap the Waitangi Tribunal, repeal the Treaty of Waitangi Act 1975, and all race based legislation.
  
  Well, sounds good to me. Puts a lot of heat on National and Act. That is what it is meant to do. Labour and Greens are using this co-governance to try and stay in power. On that note, I will never vote Labour/Greens. Elite Maori know this, and welcome it.
  If you want booklets to distribute just email julian@stopcogov.kiwi and ask.
  I don’t know where you are in NZ, Rusty, but going to a meeting is well worth it.
  The venues are on the webpage under ‘events.’
  
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  July 8, 2023 12:32pm
  - Rusty
    
    @Steve Otto.
    
    Its alright I live in Auckland and can follow Batchelor on his web site.
    
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    July 8, 2023 12:51pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Next here is Remuera Aug 3rd.
      Then Ponsonby Aug 5th. Then that is it around here. I might pop over the bridge to the Ponsonby one.
      
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      July 8, 2023 1:30pm
- Ghost
  
  I doubt he’ll be coming back down here
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/132346924/evidence-backing-stop-cogovernance-campaign-labelled-illinformed
  
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  July 8, 2023 12:44pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Tom O’Connor opposes this. So what? Many oppose this.
    Batchelor is ill informed, but Tom O’Connor did not give an example. The protocol of the meeting is Julian gives his speech, then answers questions after.
    This is so the meeting is not interrupted and turned into a circus with wild questions, sometimes irrelevant. Tom O’Connor did not mention this. As a journalist he wanted to interject when it suited him, and turn the crowd to go against Batchelor. This is how journalists get their newsfeed from the public.
    A return to the South Island is not planned according to the website.
    Maybe contact him Ghost. Ask him what his game is. Ask him for an example of ill informed. He won’t give it, because he can’t without making a jerk of himself.
    
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    July 8, 2023 1:49pm
    - Ghost
      
      Pass, I actively afford giving scammers my details.
      
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      July 8, 2023 2:23pm
John Loveridge

Kiri Allan deserves some compassion:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132500472/chris-hipkins-will-need-to-make-some-decisions-about-kiri-allan

But we’re talking about a very high pressure job of enormous responsibility that she appears to lack the capacity for. Sitting at home on an enormous taxpayer-funded ministerial salary doesn’t cut it. It’s time to step down, Kiri.
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July 8, 2023 9:40am
- Swifty
  
  Interesting to remember how the left were so joyous over Todd Muller’s difficulties.
  
  They mocked him mercilessly.
  
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  July 8, 2023 9:51am
  - jon
    
    Also when Nick Smith had to take some timeout, unkind comments from Labour MPs in the chamber reminding him to take his pills.
    
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    July 8, 2023 12:57pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    And Nick Smith’s…. Allen needs to stop lashing out and go away. The media always look after their own, and they have a hard-on for her. I expect this is the death of a thousand cuts…
    
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    July 8, 2023 1:16pm
- DeepBlue
  
  Will Chippy recognise his error and take away the extra new portfolios he dumped on her? He could leave Kiri with a couple (and the salary) so she retains Mana in East Coast for campaigning. That strategy might just see her relected.
  
  (Ps I’m not supporting Labour, just wondering what Chippy does to sort this mess, he can’t afford this to stay in the media)
  
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  July 8, 2023 12:55pm
Benedict Yu

This is an article about seats that may change hands at the election.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132370608/the-seats-that-could-decide-the-election-and-the-people-wanting-to-be-your-mps

The content is fine. However the headline is a shocker. “The seats that could decide the election”. Of course seats changing hands have no effect on which party forms government. It is all the Party Vote.

This matters because many folk will still have limited understanding of how MMP works. Is the problem poor editorial oversight, or worse, does the journalist not understand MMP?
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July 8, 2023 9:41am
- sirknz
  
  This is $tuff. Both things can be true at the same time.
  
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  July 8, 2023 10:25am
  - kowtow
    
    An awful lot of posters here seem to want to drive up $1uff’s traffic .
    
    That’s fine , but I’m trying not to go there .
    
    Drive them to extinction , one click at a time.
    
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    July 8, 2023 10:50am
Loddenthinks

Further revelations about Hipkins’ trip to China and the backup plane that accompanied him for part of the journey. Claimed by NZDF at the time that it was “nothing unusual” tended to dampen down criticism and deflect from the rank hypocrisy of a government that leaped to declare a “climate emergency” really meant an emergency for other people, not them.

Yep, there was nothing unusual about sending a backup plane – except for the fact that it had never been done before.

“Asked to explain his earlier comments, a spokesperson for Hipkins said they had been based on NZDF advice.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/backup-plane-for-pm-hipkins-trip-more-unusual-than-nzdf-claimed/SSAK4ED5KNGODKAHWYTYSZFZLQ/
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July 8, 2023 9:57am
- Nickc2
  
  It should be noted that there were only sufficient parachutes for one plane at a time. No guessing which plane was carrying them eh? //
  
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  July 8, 2023 10:07am
  - John Loveridge
    
    Reminds me of a very old joke about Piggy Muldoon on a plane that got into trouble. It ran along the lines that the plane was one parachute short. Piggy jumped out first. The last two passengers, an old man and a little schoolgirl, looked at each other. The old man said, “You go, you’ve got your whole life ahead of you but I’ve lived most of mine.” The girl replied, “We’re fine! Mr Muldoon jumped out with my schoolbag.”
    
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    July 8, 2023 10:32am
    - Nickc2
      
      Substitute Muldoon for the Pope, and you’ve remembered the original joke.
      
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      July 8, 2023 11:21am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        The version I heard most recently had Willie Jackson, New Zealand’s smartest Maori.
        
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        July 8, 2023 2:11pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Tony Stuart @ 2:11PM
        That’s a stretch of the truth Tony. In his dreams maybe!
        It certainly sez a lot for the rest of em eh?
        
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        July 8, 2023 3:05pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s the usual Labour PR strategy of
  Distract, Deflect, Deny….and then “Move on”.
  
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  July 8, 2023 10:08am
  - mogg
    
    Lie, distract, deflect, deny then move on.
    
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    July 8, 2023 10:47am
Grunter

Two interesting developments on the horrible Ukraine situation. This article from the UK indicates that the Brits are slowing waking up to the reality of their hopeless defences. Reportedly they only have 40 tanks that are battle ready! Maybe they have a few more, who knows? But it’s not going to be hundreds or thousands is it? The rest of the EU aren’t much better.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12264611/Britain-just-40-tanks-dozen-frigates-destroyers-ready-war.html

And yesterday the US warmongers lead by the blundering Biden crook agreed to supply Ukraine cluster bombs. These are illegal in over 100 countries and kill civilians years later like land mines. Sounds like a war crime to me.
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July 8, 2023 10:00am
- ClanMcleod
  
  It’s only a war crime when the other side do it….//
  
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  July 8, 2023 10:45am
- kowtow
  
  I see the western media plastered coverage of the Wagner boss all over their papers in an array of wigs etc making him look as silly as possible.
  
  How’s that for the western media falling for blatant Kremlin propaganda.
  
  Here was me thinking there’s meant to be , according to some,a huge western media plot against Putler , but in fact we’re all on his side against his erstwhile criminal mercenaries.
  
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  July 8, 2023 10:54am
- Burtland
  
  so russia’s use of cluster bombs is OK ?
  what about the use of incendiary devices, OK too?’
  nuclear weapon threats – theyre good ?
  destroyed hydro dams, stolen children …
  
  your “US warmongers lead by the blundering Biden crook” is blinding your humanity
  
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  July 8, 2023 12:46pm
  - mawm
    
    Russia has not used cluster bombs in Ukraine. I know they were accused of using them in Syria but that in itself does not mean they used them. They are using thermo-baric devices, not incendiary, which have never been banned. Are they any different to explosive warheads in effect?
    
    Lindsay Graham and Richard Blumenthall started the narrative of Russia using a nuclear device which was amplified by the media. Russia has been consistent in saying their nuclear doctrine does not allow a first strike, and Putin has reiterated they will only use them if their very existence is threatened. I’m glad you fell for the false flag narrative – which Ukraine has now walked back.
    
    And you also believe they destroyed the dam. I suppose pipelines as well! Kidnapped children – pure BBC propaganda. The Russians have been particularly good at sheltering civilians and orphaned kids.
    
    The US and their poodles have no claim to morality. Sending poorly trained, press-ganged men to their certain death by attacking entrenched Russians without air or armour support is criminal as expressed by a number of Western war analysts.
    
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    July 8, 2023 5:27pm
- Ghost
  
  As New Zealand signed the convention against this, and we have previously supplied funding to clear a country of them, I expect Hipkins wonts say anything about it.
  
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  July 8, 2023 12:57pm
- NothingLeft
  
  The issue with, and reason for banning cluster munitions is the cleanup of undetonated munitions after hostilities cease. Russia obviously gives no fucks about that, Ukraine, on their own lands, clearly does – their intent is to use them in suppressing infantry and breaching Russian lines clearly not in attacking civilians or generally making Ukraine land a dangerous hellscape.
  
  Ukraine mostly needs
  -weapons to enable long range destruction of logistics routes – 300km range missiles like storm shadow and ATACM.
  -Some means of taking down attack helicopters 5-10km behind the front lines which are a problem for Ukraine’s armoured assaults, and out of range of normal manpads and AA guns.
  -A lot more shell supplies for suppressing artillery to enable breakthrough assaults on Russian lines.
  
  F16 fighters would help, attack helicopters would probably be better.
  
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  July 8, 2023 2:22pm
  - mawm
    
    Do you have any evidence of Russia using cluster bombs in Ukraine? Anything from AP, AFP and Reuters is not worth the paper it’s written on.
    
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    July 8, 2023 5:31pm
- rangitoto
  
  The orcs have been using cluster bombs against Ukraine since 2014 including against civilians. Hopefully the UAF will erase plenty of orc invaders with them.
  
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  July 8, 2023 3:17pm
- Ehlana
  
  From what I heard Grunter, both sides have already used cluster bombs. I gather the US, Russia and I think it was China didn’t sign up to the treaty on them.
  
  If you’re fighting for your home, I guess you’re have to do a lot of things you’d prefer not to do.
  
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  July 8, 2023 6:06pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/132501031/disgraced-teacher-hired-and-elected-to-board-despite-school-knowing-of-investigation-into-conduct

“Stuff” hired this person in July 2022 – did they really not know of his history ?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300683500/stuff-on-a-mission-to-normalise-te-reo-mori-one-story-at-a-time

“In 2021, Taurapa was elected to Te Whānau Tahi’s board. He joined Stuff as a te reo translator in July the following year, about the time the Teaching Council’s complaints assessment committee referred the allegations about him to the Teachers Disciplinary Tribunal. He no longer works for the media organisation.”

It would be very useful, and interesting, to know just when he stopped working for Stuff, but such details are beyond our current crop of “reporters”.
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July 8, 2023 10:16am
- Blog-aholic
  
  He may not be an ’employee’ but I’d bet a buck he is a contractor to them.
  
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  July 8, 2023 10:37am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The young man has been deceptive throughout, but seems to have been protected by his previous contacts.
  
  It was only when one of his victims clearly identified herself that his story has been fully exposed.
  
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  July 8, 2023 10:38am
  - Swifty
    
    Good points Maggy.
    
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    July 8, 2023 10:38am
- Swifty
  
  Lost his jobs, lost his teaching reg, his disgraceful behaviour splashed all over the media, his name trashed, his family shamed – and I haven’t even started on the harm caused to the victims and their families.
  
  Bloody hell. What a mess.
  
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  July 8, 2023 10:38am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Simple really don’t groom kids, and don’t screw people you have an authority relationship with.
    
    Not that hard is it?
    
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    July 8, 2023 1:20pm
NK

An Auckland property developer contact of mine has pulled up the tools on his latest project to build 30 townhouses. He’s very reputable, excellent credentials.

Why?

Auckland Council development contributions gone from $20K per title to $80K per title. It’s made this project unviable.

Consider that when politicians moan, bitch and whinge about lack of housing, unaffordability, lack of competition and the like in the years to come.

Crisis? You betcha. Caused by idiotic local body politicians in Auckland over the last ten years or so. They’ve bled Auckland dry. And none of this includes the CRL which is projected to lose $300 million a year.

#Bankrupt
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July 8, 2023 10:25am
- John Loveridge
  
  Obscene. Does Wayne Brown know?
  
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  July 8, 2023 10:33am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Can’t say we’re to phased about it.
  We know of one 30 unit development that went up in Epsom. What a number of poor suckers who bought off the plans weren’t informed of, was that KO had pre-purchased half the development to use as rentals.
  
  It’s worth a drive past on rubbish collection day just for a larf.
  
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  July 8, 2023 11:05am
BeaB

Some of us are familiar with the tearful and effusive apologies of abusers.
To me, Kiri Allen’s now deleted social media post had that ring to it.
I don’t know what she is like in her private life and don’t want to. But if she brings unethical and unpleasant habits into her public life then it is our business. So far she has more than one black mark against her and each of them could signal deep character flaws, however jolly and down-to-earth her
public image.
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July 8, 2023 10:30am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I was just trying to think of one other the country in the world that has a female ‘Justice Minister’ who gets around all day in Hob-Nail Boots.
  
  Bit bloody odd if you ask me 😎
  
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  July 8, 2023 11:20am
  - kevn
    
    @Maggie… Just trying to be blokey.
    
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    July 8, 2023 1:59pm
  - KKKKatee
    
    You forgot the man suit.
    
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    July 8, 2023 6:50pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  It would not surprise me if the Chipster arrives back from Europe to find that Kiri is no longer a Minister.
  Who will be next in this fascinating game of ‘ten green bottles’?
  
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  July 8, 2023 11:26am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Peeni Henare?
    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/barry-soper-senior-political-correspondent-on-peeni-henares-potential-conflict-of-interest/
    
    Kelvin Davis?
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/07/kelvin-davis-says-it-s-a-good-question-who-recruited-oranga-tamariki-staff-involved-in-mma-style-fight-videos.html
    
    Ginny Anderson?
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/07/police-minister-ginny-andersen-does-not-accept-high-crime-a-social-and-moral-failure-by-labour.html
    
    Ayesha Verrall?
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/government-defends-half-a-billion-dollar-spend-on-rapid-antigen-tests-still-to-be-used/IDGMNPLFLZGC5H2GNI5OP6ZBRQ/
    
    etc, etc
    
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    July 8, 2023 12:55pm
Maggie Pie

Many here with SPARK?

https://twitter.com/bobmccoskrienz/status/1677427970724757504

They must have forgotten what happened to ‘Bud Lite’
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July 8, 2023 10:32am
- JJ56
  
  Spark has jumped the shark. Voluntarily sticking their oar in wholeheartedly supporting Shaneel Lal’s call to ban “TERFs” on Threads, and then doubling down on their stuff-up (presumably by some minion in marketing) by attempting to reframe as a support for trans rights and closing off debate.
  
  Spark ‘wholeheartedly support’ Shaneel Lal’s campaign on childish name calling, and shutting down any debate.
  
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  July 8, 2023 10:50am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YIP! And unfortunately choice is few & far between.
    Even that wokester who heads up Vodafone isn’y any better.
    
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    July 8, 2023 11:11am
    - mogg
      
      Infratil/Vodaphone/One NZ are big on climate change but they don’t support crims who punch elderly women in the face.
      Two ex Spark customers.
      
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      July 8, 2023 11:27am
  - Dougal10
    
    They are just telecom with another name and who can ever forget that stupid 2.5G where the phones battery went flat looking for service all the time because there weren’t enough towers.
    
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    July 8, 2023 9:20pm
- JJ56
  
  Actually on reflecting this is somewhat more significant than just a corporate putting themselves in the firing line on a very controversial subject, and then trying to close things down.
  
  They are of course a major NZ telecommunications provider wholeheartedly supporting censorship on a major social network platform.
  
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  July 8, 2023 11:02am
  - Dave
    
    Yes, it’s one thing for Spark to defend Lal’s freedom to call for apparently (‘won’t tolerate’ is somewhat ambiguous) banning someone else’s viewpoint, an entirely different and quite indefensible thing to support that censorship as company policy.
    
    First, they came for the TERFs etc.
    
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    July 8, 2023 2:05pm
- JJ56
  
  Spark’s head of social media give some advice https://www.sparklab.co.nz/articles/brand-lead-social-media/ 🙂
  
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  July 8, 2023 8:30pm
cmm

I read with shock that police trainees are missing out on vital swimming lessons because the police college swimming pool needs $1.2 million of repairs.

First off: Why are we even considering teaching cops to swim? Just make it a condition of entrance – part of the fitness test:
* Run 1.5km in under x minutes.
* Carry 100kg load 100 metres in less than y minutes.
* Swim 500 metres in less than z minutes.

But if they really **must** be taught to swim, then it is shocking that the government can find millions of dollars of koha for gangs, but not find $1.2 for crime fighting.

And I’m equally shocked by the picture in the article below: They really expect those small girls to be cops? Even at my age, and fitness I could carry one under each arm.

https://www.thepress.co.nz/a/nz-news/350030221/you-can-lead-police-to-water-but-you-can-t-make-them-swim
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July 8, 2023 10:32am
- John Loveridge
  
  I’m sure it used to be the case. A little over 20 years ago a friend tried for the police. I recall him spending a lot of time in the pool in preparation for the fitness test.
  
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  July 8, 2023 10:35am
- Maggie Pie
  
  As a school leaver, even I’d condidered a career as a Dectective.
  Unfortunately never made it past the initial interview…they said I was too brite.
  
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  July 8, 2023 10:52am
  - greybeard
    
    But your spelling appears to be their required standard.
    
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    July 8, 2023 11:21am
    - greybeard
      
      Oh come on downticker !
      I know I am not very funny but surely you can read.
      ( or did you downtick me, MP ? )
      
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      July 8, 2023 11:55am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        I never downtick ANYBODY grey!
        
        As Bob Jones once said….”that’s best left to lifes losers” 😀
        
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        July 8, 2023 12:15pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      Her spelling is fine.
      
      BRITE
      
      “to be or become overripe”
      
      https://www.thefreedictionary.com/Brite
      
      The police have long had an aversion for people with a tendency to become overripe. 🙂
      
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      July 8, 2023 12:22pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Hey – great to see yu back here Bene! 😀
        Rumors circulating you’d been picked up by the local CCP secret police for a little…. ‘re-education’. Obviously not?
        
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        July 8, 2023 1:16pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  About 10 years ago I got pulled over by the police in Queensland for speeding. Female officer about 155 cm. However she was carrying a large hand gun. 😂
  
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  July 8, 2023 11:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Children in the Police Force. Ridiculous.
  
  This is New Zealand, and archipelago. If you can’t swim you are a statistic waiting to happen, an idiot. I don’t mean the multiple beaches. Car off the road and into a river – can you swim? Fuck, I grew up in the Waikato. I was swimming that river aged 7.
  The Net Taxpayer should not be paying the Police to learn to swim full stop.
  $1.2M for repairs? Who came up with that figure? Black moss. Waterblast, acid treatment, replace a few parts maybe, and paint. $1.2M my left tit.
  Why is every Govt dept being taken for a ride on the Taxpayer?
  
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  July 8, 2023 12:59pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Most of the bill seems to be to earthquake-reinforce the roof structures (for the second time this decade).
    
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    July 8, 2023 1:05pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I don’t think it is teaching the trainee Cops to swim per se… It is knowing how to carry out an effective rescue of someone drowning.
    
    Apart from kids/ teens attending Surf Clubs, I don’t know how many children in NZ are taught rescue Life-saving techniques.
    
    https://cdn.fld.nz/uploads/sites/lifesaver/files/PDFS_2022/RLSSNZ_Instructor_Resource_2018_final.pdf
    
    At my Primary Boarding school (back in the 1960s) we were all expected to train and attempt the Royal Life-Saving exams at a junior level (Bronze star, Bronze Cross).
    
    At my High School the P.E. teachers had no interest in Swimming (the school lacked a pool) – let alone training us for further Life-saving awards – So 4 us used to bike to one of the public pools and trained for some senior awards (Silver medallion……Which I failed as I wouldn’t headfirst dive from the 3m platform).
    
    It’s one thing to be a strong swimmer (which I was), but that’s no guarantee that you have the skills to deal with a panicking or an unconscious person in the water.
    
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    July 8, 2023 1:32pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I learnt lifesaving by myself, well in a group. The Waikato river can be dangerous.
      Up here on the harbour, I will not drown if I am parted from my boat.
      Even on the beach I am still capable of helping someone in a rip. First thing, calm them. Panic kills!
      
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      July 8, 2023 1:54pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Per the article, trainees are required to confirm they can swim, as part of the application process. But, they only get three hours of formal swimming anyway, which ain’t going to do much. I guess if they’re residential then they would be able to put in some after hours time in the pool. Instead, they could just do what everyone else & head down to the local pool.
  
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  July 8, 2023 1:03pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  Well given the police college is in Aotea and the Porirua Aquatic centre is about 3 ks away so they can just book the big pool for training….. 1.2 million capital spend saved…. the cops can run there as part of their training! FFS
  
  Alternate Cannons Creek Pool – just under 6ks away…..
  
  Just saying….
  
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  July 8, 2023 1:48pm
- rouppe
  
  The pool itself actually doesn’t need “repairs” as such.
  
  Some engineers came in and said it was an earthquake risk, and there are changing rooms and lecture theaters (used to be squash courts) below it which could be suddenly flooded if it were to suffer a major failure in a shake.
  
  So because it wasn’t up to whatever new building standards that week, it had to be emptied.
  
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  July 8, 2023 3:12pm
- rouppe
  
  And actually, being able to swim wasn’t the main skill taught in there.
  
  It was how to rescue. Quite different.
  
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  July 8, 2023 3:14pm
Prince

Why is the Govt now trying to hide their racist policies ?
Isn’t this something they should be proudly boasting, instead of lying about in their press releases, and leaving it to pharmacists to deliver the bad new to Whitey ?
It all seems very petty, deceitful, and, well, Labour-like.
https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2023/07/07/lindsay-mitchell-exclusion-by-race/#more-23059
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July 8, 2023 11:09am
rjay

Train wreck interview of Minister Davis. A review done in 2021 found the problems and made recommendations that his latest review is tasked with identifying.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/07/kelvin-davis-says-it-s-a-good-question-who-recruited-oranga-tamariki-staff-involved-in-mma-style-fight-videos.html
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July 8, 2023 11:38am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Did they mention the times Kelvin Davis called for Sam Lotu-Iiga to resign as Corrections Minister (which he eventually did) because of the fight clubs in Serco-run prisons?
  
  David was a roaring lion in opposition, but as Minister for Children with responsibility for Oranga Tamariki facilities he has become as tame as a newborn lamb.
  
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  July 8, 2023 11:58am
  - rouppe
    
    There should be videos on loop of Kelvin standing outside Serco prisons going on about the conditions in there and how heads should roll.
    
    With a ripping segue to conditions today.
    
    I doubt Kelvin will come out looking like a winner
    
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    July 8, 2023 3:04pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Kelvin proves once again he is an ineffective minister.
  
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  July 8, 2023 1:52pm
  - kevn
    
    @Maggy… Special K is just the token in cabinet. There for one reason only and it’s not talent.
    
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    July 8, 2023 1:55pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He is a seat warmer.
    
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    July 8, 2023 1:55pm
Chris Nisbet

There are a number of stories floating about claiming that the UK is about to dump its multi-billion pound climate pledge. The stories seem to have prompted lots of weasel words from the likes of Sunak, but maybe there’s something to the story.

I’ve heard a number of times now that NZ must attempt to commit economic suicide trying to achieve unneeded climate goals like ‘Net Zero’ (my interpretation), even though proponents admit we can make absolutely no difference to the climate, because other countries expect us to.

Would the UK be one of those countries?

Please God, is the ‘Climate Crisis’ finally starting to die?
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July 8, 2023 11:40am
- cmm
  
  As I’ve said, what we really need is to do some proper accounting.
  
  Agriculture (painted as evil and filthy) takes carbon out of the atmosphere (photosynthesis) and turns it into food.
  
  NZ produces around 20 million tons of wet milk a year. Milk is about 4% fat, 5% carbohydrates and 4% protein. Per ton, that’s 40kg fat, 50kg carbohydrates and 40kg protein.
  All of those contain carbon from CO2.
  40kg carbohydrates uses up 61kg of CO2.
  40kg of fat uses up about 125kg of CO2.
  40kg of protein uses up 40kg of CO2.
  
  So, all up a ton of milk has taken up around 225kg (almost a quarter of its weight) of CO2. (ie. 225g per litre).
  
  And we’re not even considering other outputs such as meat, bones, hides etc. Of course there’s also a lot of other by products like all the poo in fibre form (lots of carbon in that) which ends up in the soil.
  
  So NZ’s 20 million metric tons of milk production is soaking up around 4 to 5 million metric tons of CO2.
  
  At around $50/ton carbon credits that should be worth $250 million.
  
  Yet, somehow, the farmers are the bad guys and dairy is the worst!
  
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  July 8, 2023 12:54pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Science does not work with lefties – too complicated.
    
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    July 8, 2023 1:02pm
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      Meh, I tend to think it’s because they know science, facts and logic aren’t on their side. If these things wer on their side they’d be able to convince people of their arguments by using them.
      Much more effective to brand people who ask questions as racists or something.
      
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      July 8, 2023 2:05pm
- Nickc2
  
  I’m proud to be a Climate Change/Global Warming skeptic/denier!
  
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  July 8, 2023 3:31pm
  - mawm
    
    Probably and anti-vaxxer, boomer, multi-phobe and a white rightwing extremist evangelical Christian too. //s
    
    You might as well claim them, all as I do. It makes life easier.
    
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    July 8, 2023 5:45pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      And a racist.//
      
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      July 9, 2023 9:21am
  - greybeard
    
    Me too.
    Also the 1969 “moon landing” was rubbish.
    
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    July 8, 2023 6:22pm
Tony Stuart

An excellent thread from Ani O’Brien on the conflict of interest allegations against Peeni Henare for contracts awarded to his spouse’s business, Tatou Limited.

https://twitter.com/aniobrien/status/1677222116830371840
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July 8, 2023 11:59am
- cas
  
  I don’t seem to be able to get those twitter links any more but I notice there is a Henare on the team at Tatou. Any relation?
  
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  July 8, 2023 1:32pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    According to RNZ, Tatai Henare is Peeni’s twin brother. Tatai is the Pou Tikanga at Tatou, the person responsible for leading and supporting the development of an organisational culture that reflects positive aspects of Te Ao Māori.
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/293821/warriors-retrace-chief's-footsteps
    
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    July 8, 2023 2:17pm
ClanMcleod

The downsides of changing the vehicle fleet to electric continue to accumulate.

Electric Car Explosion Risk Sees Them Quarantined in Spaces 50 Times Bigger Than Petrol Car

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/07/07/electric-car-explosion-risk-sees-them-quarantined-in-spaces-50-times-bigger-than-petrol-car/

The insanity of climate policy is beginning to outdo the madness of covid policies.
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July 8, 2023 12:15pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  ‘Geoff Buys Cars’ just published a YT vid where he tells us that crash repair costs of EVs tend to cost significantly more and take longer as well (in no small part because of the extra storage space required).
  The there’s the extraordinary depreciation of EVs (~50% in the first two years).
  It’s no surprise that ordinary individuals aren’t that keen on EVs.
  
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  July 8, 2023 12:29pm
  - kevn
    
    @Chris… I wonder how many Tesla owners go on to buy another? The depreciation in the first year is horrendous I gather. Dealers aren’t keen to trade them in either.
    
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    July 8, 2023 1:53pm
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      If we believe the hype (I’m sceptical, but you never know), ev batteries are going to improve out of sight over the next few years. Given that, existing evs using the old technology will only drop in popularity/value.
      I wonder if NZ insurance companies are increasing premiums for people who store their EV in the garage, due to the increased fire risk. That might put people off a bit more as well.
      
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      July 8, 2023 2:27pm
  - Individual Responsibility
    
    Chris Nisbet & KEVN – when I was in the business of costing depreciation of heavy commercial vehicles, the IRD allowed depreciation at 25% of the pre-GST cost for the first year on a new vehicle, and 20% per annum (recalculated) for each subsequent year.
    The first year for a used vehicle was 20%.
    So, for a new vehicle costing pre GST $50,000, its depreciated capital value would be $37,500 after its 1st year.
    After its 2nd year depreciated cap val would be $30,000.
    After 3rd year, depreciated cap val would be $24,000 – less than half its purchase cost.
    Those rates are probably still applicable today, and probably apply to any vehicle.
    
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    July 8, 2023 4:00pm
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      Did these book values match actual market values? Geoff was showing us asking prices on some used car site, comparing similar age/mileage EV and ICE vehicles.
      ICE dropped from £23k new to £19 asking over two years. EV dropped from ~£37 to £19 over same time.
      
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      July 8, 2023 4:22pm
      - Individual Responsibility
        
        Chris – IRD recognises book value only.
        
        Market value can only be established between a willing buyer and a willing seller.
        
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        July 9, 2023 4:37pm
- Benedict Yu
  
  It will be interesting to see what happens to EV demand in July 2024. EVs will be subject to RUC – currently $76 per 1,000 km. If there is a National Government, inevitably the insane EV subsidy will bite the dust.
  
  So finally there will be a level playing field. Of course EV purchases will remain attractive for many people. However compare an EV of similiar size with this Yaris Hybrid. $31,000. Gets 1,000 km from a tank of petrol.
  
  https://www.toyota.co.nz/compare/?loaded=1&referrer=false
  
  A Nissan Leaf without the subsidy is about $66,000. Then you add in $76 per 1,000 km RUC. With that RUC charge and a $66,000 capital cost, it is not looking like such a great idea.
  
  https://www.nissan.co.nz/vehicles/browse-range/leaf/specs-and-pricing.html
  
  If you were CFO of a company needing to replace a fleet of vehicles in July 2024, it would make no sense to buy the Nissan Leaf over the Yaris Hybrid. Indeed if you did anything different you would be sacked.
  
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  July 8, 2023 12:33pm
  - cmm
    
    We recently bought a smaller car and considered a hybrid, but the numbers did not work out.
    
    Our manual Suzuki Ignis cost us around $22000 after all the onroad costs etc – including a 75000km/5year service package.
    
    It gives us around 4.6l/100km for our daily driving – including going over Evans Pass (Port Hills) a few times a week.
    
    That’s not much room for a hybrid to make a difference. Let’s suppose a small hybrid like a Suzuki Swift for an extra $7000 and shaved off 0.2l/100km or about $5/1000 km, we’d have to drive $1.4million km to break even.
    
    A Yaris hybrid is supposed to give around 3.6l/100km so a saving over our Ignis of 1l/100km or $25/1000km.
    That would have cost $9000 more and would have needed 360,000km to break even.
    
    On more realistic vehicle lifetimes (200,000km or so) these seldom seem to stack up.
    
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    July 8, 2023 1:28pm
    - Benedict Yu
      
      With a RUC charge of $76 per 1,000 km (and that is only going on one direction – up) I can see some EV owners suffering buyers remorse next July. Given the $30,000 capital premium over a similiar sized small hybrid, and EV looks like a very bad decision. (I had not really thought much about the RUC impact before I looked it up today.) Even accounting for the lower maintenance costs of an EV, it just does not make sense once you need to start paying RUC and the EV subsidy is axed.
      
      Happy to be challenged if I have missed something.
      
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      July 8, 2023 1:59pm
      - rouppe
        
        There’s a conundrum brewing with hybrids.
        
        They use petrol, but a bunch less. So they’re paying a smaller contribution to road tax than an equivalent ice, due to the battery.
        
        Ev’s will soon have to pay ruc (can’t come quick enough).
        
        But is there a place for a new ruc category for hybrids?
        
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        July 8, 2023 2:58pm
  - Paulus
    
    I doubt if there will be in the future a second hand EV market as they are useless when used, and cannot be replaced with new/second hand batteries.
    
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    July 8, 2023 2:01pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Hybrid batteries are smaller and the older more ubiquitous models can have batteries replaced by fairly inexpensive reconditioned batteries (eg about $2500 installed for a reconditioned Prius/Corolla hybrid battery with decent warranty included). A new Prius/Corolla hybrid battery from Toyota costs about $5000 last time I looked. EV batteries are larger and significantly more expensive to replace.
      
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      July 8, 2023 8:12pm
  - Andy
    
    Benedict, I hope the equally insane ute tax bites the dust as well. Need a new Hilux, but waiting until next year. I refuse to pay this stupid tax.
    
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    July 8, 2023 2:08pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Anything other than a second hand import (possibly excepting work vehicles like utes, 4wds and vans) is an ostentatious waste of money – and bad for NZ given our staggering current account deficit.
    
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    July 8, 2023 3:11pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘Volkswagen has temporarily cut production of its electric cars due to “customer reluctance” and 30 per cent lower demand than planned. ‘
    “We are experiencing strong customer reluctance in the electric vehicle sector,” Mr Wulff told the North West newspaper in Germany, according to Autocar.’
    About 300 of the 1500 temporary workers employed at the German factory will not have their contracts renewed once they expire in August, Autocar reports.’
    https://www.drive.com.au/news/volkswagen-cuts-ev-production-report/
    
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    July 8, 2023 3:28pm
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      I gather that the only two car companies making a profit from EVs are Tesla and BYD. If the others can’t make money at the prices they are now, things would only be worse if they dropped them to a price that made them attractive to customers. I wonder how long car manufacturers will continue to lose money hand over fist before changing tack.
      
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      July 8, 2023 4:29pm
- Piniwi
  
  Meanwhile Clan :Labour bragging “Big news: of the 17,299 new passenger vehicles registered in June, 8,240 were electric. That’s 47.7 per cent.
  It’s also more than the number of EVs registered during the whole of 2021.” RUC on these can not come soon enough not to mention the extra electricity demands might eventually see the for special EUC ( electricity user charge) to subsidise more dams.
  
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  July 8, 2023 2:03pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Looks like an unusually large month for some reason. Usually more like ~10k. Looks like they’re including hybrids in the ‘electric’ category as well – pure electric pretty steady at ~10%.
    
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    July 8, 2023 5:08pm
DeepBlue

At about 7.05pm on 2020 election night we all knew it was lost.

Despite our wishful denial, the MSM had been reporting correctly…Jacinda was a superstar and she had been mobbed everywhere she went, leading to the landslide.

I haven’t seen any reports of Chippy being mobbed in malls. Only reports are Luxon, Seymour and Peters packing out halls.
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July 8, 2023 1:07pm
Maggie Pie

Would be good to get an expert in ‘Body-Language’ to give their opinion on Jill’s reaction to Hunter in this short clip recorded from the Whitehouse balcony…..

https://tiktok.com/@i.am.mr.casual/video/7252865772479941930
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July 8, 2023 1:11pm
Bridgenag

From Australia’s most liveable city, to the world’s most locked down hellhole
WEEKEND VIEWING: Revisiting acclaimed doco, Battleground Melbourne

https://open.substack.com/pub/rebekahbarnett/p/from-australias-most-liveable-city?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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July 8, 2023 2:11pm
mtamati

ClanMcleod @ 12:11PM
“ANY sudden or unusual death should be tested for vaccine involvement. Within 6 months there will be clear evidence one way or the other whether the vaccine has contributed to the worrying large increase in all cause mortality.
That’s how the real science works.”

Clan
As a result of an OIA request of NZ Coronial Services NZ, I learned that more post mortem examinations were carried out in 2019 (prior to Cov-19/vaccines) than were done in 2020, 2021 and 2022.
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July 8, 2023 2:11pm
- rouppe
  
  And your deduction from that? Because there are two, maybe 3
  1. Fewer people are dying in unknown circumstances (remember not every death goes to the coroner) or
  2. The coroner isn’t doing an autopsy on certain conditions or
  3. There is lower capacity to do coronial inquests
  
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  July 8, 2023 2:46pm
  - mawm
    
    4 Fewer requests/referrals.
    
    Unlike the US the coroner does not do autopsies.
    
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    July 8, 2023 6:04pm
Ghost

A shame our govt won’t collapse. Most people are going to be shocked when we finally get the books opened up and see how bad labour have screwed the country

The longest-serving Dutch Prime Minister in history resigned last night after his four-party coalition government reached an irreconcilable gulf over how to tackle immigration.

His shock resignation means the country faces fresh elections later this year after he informed King Willem-Alexander that the entire government cabinet would be stepping down.

Article
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July 8, 2023 2:28pm
- All_on_Red
  
  The Dutch Farmers will be happy.
  This could be their chance.
  
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  July 8, 2023 3:22pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Socialists should have taken the deal on offer they will get annihilated in the general election.
  
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  July 8, 2023 3:36pm
Maggie Pie

OMG – wish I’d thort of doing this 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/mark_smitheram/status/1677203719442817025
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July 8, 2023 2:47pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Whale scares kids at the zoo. Whale is smarter than a lot of lefties! (no humour installed at birth)

https://spreely.video/v/2620106426/BEST-EVER–Hilarious-Whale-Loves-To-Scare-Kids-At-The-Zoo-
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July 8, 2023 3:35pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

They just can’t stop him. These people do not come out to watch a Hollywood actor/singer in town.

https://libertyonenews.com/trump-draws-huge-crowd-in-tiny-pickens-sc/
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July 8, 2023 4:21pm
- Inandout
  
  SO, the mantra continues as ‘Biden won 81 million votes’.
  
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  July 8, 2023 5:07pm
- tf78
  
  His crowds are swelling by the week – great to see, we could get our world back yet.
  
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  July 8, 2023 8:28pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“an electric vehicle poses as nothing more than an invitation for government overreach”
Now if the left will only take notice.

https://therightwingclub.com/thepoliticalmovement/green-energy-groups-want-the-democrats-to-hide-from-electric-vehicles-as-we-head-for-the-2024-elections/
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July 8, 2023 4:31pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

47 seconds of Joe Rogan. Sound familiar to NZ?

https://spreely.video/v/2182751117/Joe-Rogan-Hits-Slam-Dunk-About-What-They-Did-to-Us-During-COVID
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July 8, 2023 5:05pm
Maggie Pie

LOL!!

Well butter my butt & lets spend a night in Paris 😀

Looks like SPARK’s Marketing Team have well and truly f*cked-up…..

https://twitter.com/investigatemag/status/1677545759552733184
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July 8, 2023 5:23pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Holy Moly. I bet you’d find the vast majority of Spark employees quietly disagree with this silly shit.
  
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  July 8, 2023 8:17pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  In my experience, in recent years it’s usually extremely woke people in HR who push this kind of extremist lefty stuff on the long-suffering staff.
  
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  July 8, 2023 8:42pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

//.
https://billingsreport.com/coincidence-hunter-biden-shows-up-at-the-white-house-bag-of-cocaine-found-in-the-wh-library/
Settle down, settle down
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July 8, 2023 5:29pm
surfing

Maori witch doctors now being paid by ACC for healing maori ….

https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/322674-the-phenomenal-growth-of-rongo-mori.html

“Rongoā Māori is traditional Māori healing. It includes mirimiri and romiromi (bodywork), whitiwhiti kōrero (support and advice) and karakia (prayer).”
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July 8, 2023 5:34pm
- Ghost
  
  Bodywork already covered, physio, chiropractor, massage. Support and advice already covered with counselling etc. so prayer is the only thing never covered before
  
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  July 8, 2023 5:59pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    And how is this any different from waving crystals or doing Chakra massages? FFS!
    
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    July 8, 2023 8:18pm
    - Ghost
      
      ACC covers alternative therapies. One is EFT, which has had good results in the states working with Veterans.
      
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      July 8, 2023 8:28pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “EFT tapping focuses on tapping the 12 meridian points of the body to relieve symptoms of a negative experience or emotion.”
        
        https://epidemicanswers.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/EFT-tapping-points.jpg
        
        Righto. 😂
        
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        July 8, 2023 8:49pm
      - Ghost
        
        So the relief that many veterans have had using eft from ptsd should be discounted?
        
        Article
        
        Emotional Freedom Techniques (EFT) has been approved as a “generally safe” therapy by the US Veterans Administration (VA). After reviewing the extensive evidence for the safety and efficacy of EFT, a group of experts in the VAs Integrative Health Coordinating Center published a statement approving EFT and several other complementary and integrative health (CIH) practices.
        
        The approval means that VA therapists will be able to use EFT with their clients suffering from PTSD, depression, anxiety, pain and other conditions.
        
        EFT has been studied in over 100 clinical trials. They show that the approach is effective for a variety of psychological and physical conditions. EFT combines elements of popular therapies, such as CBT, with acupressure—in the form of tapping with the fingertips on acupuncture points. For this reason it’s often called “tapping.”
        
        Would you deny a person something that has changed their lives because it doesn’t fit into your belief system?
        
        Captain George Peters had this to say after completing 6 sessions through the Stress Project program: “For 35 years I was hard to get along with. Divorced, fired, and feared by my children because I over-reacted to any provocation. Six hours of therapy gave me the tools to change.”
        
        If something works for people and helps them get their lives back then great, and that should be all that matters, that these methods have been proven to help people.
        
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        July 8, 2023 9:01pm
- tf78
  
  Great, that will free up our hospitals.
  
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  July 8, 2023 8:24pm
  - Ghost
    
    1/3 of their clients are survivors of sexual abuse, most clients probably aren’t awaiting hospital care
    
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    July 8, 2023 8:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

US Red States don’t elect bartenders? Yes there is more to the story as to why she got there before being a candidate.
Here is a starter.

https://billingsreport.com/aoc-wants-to-impeach-scotus-justices-who-obey-the-constitution-and-not-her/
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July 8, 2023 5:40pm
Swifty

Why do I want to wear women’s undies?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12275905/BEL-MOONEY-want-wear-womens-undies.html
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July 8, 2023 6:11pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  To support your man boobs?
  
  https://www.breastmates.co.nz/moob-for-men
  
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  July 8, 2023 8:00pm
  - Swifty
    
    A manzier?
    
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8YIbhJhH7s
    
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=quzRzYQ5Xwo
    
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    July 8, 2023 8:20pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Available 1st April
    
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    July 9, 2023 9:28am
Maggie Pie

Just in the kitchen basting the duck and listening to ZB News.
Then I heard a voice say… “This is Romaine Travis”
Reached for the Off-Nob soo quickly that I burnt my f–ing fingers!!

God that guy makes my skin crawl….
no wonder he keeps saying his wife left him.
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July 8, 2023 6:17pm
Maggie Pie

My partners mum txt…
Can anybody provide ONE good reason why
animals like this shouldn’t be put down?

https://www.brooklynpaper.com/slasher-stabs-woman-waiting-bus-flatbush/
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July 8, 2023 7:54pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Lefties will tell you she would have been in greater danger if she had been carrying a gun. Maybe, but this chap might have also been given a good helping of instant karma.
  
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  July 8, 2023 8:46pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Why are they allowed to continue to exist in a civilized society?
    Would anyone care if they were disposed of like any other feral that does harm to innocent beings.
    They shoot cats, don’t they?
    
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    July 8, 2023 9:43pm

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