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NeverMindTheBollocks

RNZ reports Chinese immigrants being sacked by NZ employers within weeks of arrival, thereby forfeiting the fees paid & breaching their visas.

Penny to a pound the NZ employers are also recent arrival Chinese – prove me wrong, Mikey.

The penalties for this kind of behaviour need to include revocation of NZ citizenship; or at least fines that are a multiple of fees paid by the ripped off migrants.

It’s simply unacceptable to me that NZ’s good name is being dragged through the mud in this way; and, the government needs to value NZ citizenship so much more highly than it does.
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July 4, 2023 8:01am
- fredonas
  
  This is a total rort and dollars to doughnuts director Dennis from D&T Action is getting a handsome kickback (allegedly).
  
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  July 4, 2023 9:36am
- kowtow
  
  Ferald had a similar one the other day about South American immigrants turning to prostitition to survive .
  
  Same thing , exploited by their own.
  
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  July 4, 2023 9:36am
- GJM
  
  Recent immigrants exploiting their own seems to be very common, especially with Indians. e.g. liquor shop owners and restaurants have been 2 recent examples in the news such as https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/revealed-masala-restaurant-workers-paid-as-little-as-2-an-hour/KDSGJSCL5GXYJCLPTE4QHR7QAQ/
  
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  July 4, 2023 10:28am
- stiff cheese
  
  And they’re paying fees like $16,000 to an overseas agent to secure a Visa.
  
  Why isn’t our Govt collecting that dosh?
  
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  July 4, 2023 11:18am
NeverMindTheBollocks

The media worm is turning. Must be worried about their jobs.

Stats Minister Deborah Russell said she’d resign if the Census Return did not reach 90%, which it did not. Leaving aside her lack of delivery on either Census success or tendering her resignation, the bigger story is that Stuffed has raised the issue instead of letting it sit in obscurity.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/132468672/census-closes-with-raw-response-rate-just-short-of-90-target
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July 4, 2023 8:01am
- sirknz
  
  $tuff did delete the three comments they let through last night (before closing the comments early) saying that she should do the honourable thing.
  
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  July 4, 2023 9:55am
- Beach Haven expat
  
  Is her refusal o honour her promise a case of Lies, Damned Lies and Minister of Statistics?
  
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  July 4, 2023 10:03am
- Paulus
  
  So as Census is over how many Maori are we to be told are being calculated – like the 2018 Census – 16% says who ?
  Who is responsible for fiddling the books as only 69% I understand of Maori made the return ?
  More Maori seats needed – yea !
  
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  July 4, 2023 10:34am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Some interesting things in that article, starting with the shock that $1uffed even printed it.
  
  The headline is that the ‘raw’ response rate was “just short of 90% target”. However, once you get a bit deeper into it, it turns out to be not quite that simple.
  
  The “raw” response rate will certainly be higher than the actual response rate, because some people will have completed more than one form. I know this to be true, because I completed two online forms after getting two reminders with different codes and no sense from the “help” line or a promised call back.
  
  Then we learn that the response rate is based on the estimated population as of June last year, not the population on March 7, Census Day. Based on those figures, the raw response rate was 87.78% which is well shy of the 90% target.
  
  Lastly, $1uffed either invents new meaning s for words or allows Russell to do so:
  
  “Statistics Minister Deborah Russell indicated that staking her job on a 90% census response rate was not a considered move, and one she quickly clarified.”
  
  No clarification is needed; her words were plain and simple to understand. She said in March that she “absolutely” staked her job on reaching at least 90% responses. It is not possible to make that statement any clearer.
  
  What they mean of course, is that Russell backed out of that promise faster then an Italian tank or French Army, but that would show her in a worse light than she already is in.
  
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  July 4, 2023 1:25pm
- Paulus
  
  As in 2018 the current Censuses are totally incomplete and probably inaccurate again
  As so few Maori and PIs are involve, allowing for many PI overstayers in Auckland, and a political guess as token Maori population – 16% before as a guessed figure.
  Load of in accuracies again.
  
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  July 4, 2023 2:13pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    You presumably have a solution …. ?
    
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    July 4, 2023 4:55pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Link one’s Census to one’s Benefit.
      
      Dollars to doughnuts, that approach would see an uptick in Returns.
      
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      July 4, 2023 8:46pm
Tomtoddy

The Ferald’s Simon “Karl” Wilson thinks people giving money to National or ACT have an agenda – they are buying a particular outcome. In what is a naked puff piece for the Green Party he asks what the recent large donor to National is hoping to buy. Why do lefties always throw in a nasty jab when they make a point. Some of his other angles are plainly silly, a twisted argument to justify having a few hundred well off people pay absolutely all the tax. It could be called an ‘emigration’ tax.
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July 4, 2023 8:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  This Wilson idiot must not know about the PIJF.
  It works the same, but opposite.
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:09am
  - plc
    
    What about union support of Labour.
    
    Absolutely no expectations there?
    
    Actually there are….otherwise Darrien Fenton would never have been an MP.
    
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    July 4, 2023 8:12am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Actually, early on in Jacinda “No Strikes on my watch” Ardern’s Prime Ministership she was interviewed when the Teacher’s Unions striked the first time. She was asked if the Unions would be disappointed that they supported her and she said they wouldn’t because they asked for killing Charter Schools and a few other things and she gave them those policies.
      
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      July 4, 2023 9:38am
      - Paulus
        
        Look all the Labour Parliamentary Party kerfuffles and scandals all occurred under Dame Jacinda’s watch along with her close Chief of Staff Raj Nahna.
        Dr Sharma was the tip of the iceberg.
        No wonder they both ran.
        
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        July 4, 2023 10:38am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You just gave me a headache mentioning that name.
      
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      July 4, 2023 10:41am
  - imalwaysright
    
    GIPF.
    
    Government interest propaganda fund.
    
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    July 4, 2023 8:20am
  - G152
    
    Libor bought them off.
    No dissention permitted
    
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    July 4, 2023 8:23am
  - Bullion
    
    The PIJF is no longer.
    
    You can go and look at the how the contestable fund was spent, such as from the last round of funding:
    
    Farmers Weekly Digital Editor, AgriHQ, up to $89,981. A further 12 months funding to AgriHQ for its Digital Editor, who creates and circulates digital content from the company’s flagship agricultural publication, Farmer’s Weekly, which serves to grow the quality and reach of agricultural news.
    
    Rural Content Editor, Ashburton Guardian, up to $85,000. A one-year continuation of the Ashburton Guardian’s Rural Content Editor, who creates and delivers news content focused on agri-business and rural issues across the Canterbury region.
    
    This is something I missed but should read (not paywalled thanks PIJF):
    How Good Is Our Public Service? BusinessDesk
    https://businessdesk.co.nz/public-sector-project?page=4
    
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    July 4, 2023 9:35am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Of course they are trying to “buy” a particular outcome it’s called change of government. Buying it is also known as donations.
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:09am
- Blackbob
  
  The Greens also get large individual donations. Labour also used to get large individual donations but everyone hates them now… What are they trying to buy? a conscience? The left always accuse their opposition of things the left are doing themselves already – Alinsky’s play book 101.
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:11am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He is rotten to the core, he should be a urinal poster, of course the donors have an agenda, thru want rid of a Marxist regime
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:13am
- Blog-aholic
  
  So he must think that people who give to Labour or the Greens do it out of kindness…
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:15am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  And of course Tom, Unions donating to Labour have absolutely no agenda. And don’t get things like, I dunno, compulsory unionism.
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:18am
  - Ehlana
    
    Or shutting down the charter schools which were helping children not served by the state sector.
    
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    July 4, 2023 10:15am
- Simon
  
  What many on the left will be concerned about is National will stop taking Netzero /Agenda 20230 orders from WEF /UN. That National will start acting in NZ’s interests and not simply be a subsidiary of global governance.
  
  Luxon is big on man made climate scam. They probably dont have too much to worry about.
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:23am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    His complete acquiescence and fawning over the ludicrous climate change narrative is a big concern.
    
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    July 4, 2023 9:48am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I listened to Plunket interviewing Luxo on Te Platform.
    
    Pretty sure Luxon talked about “net zero by 2050” for NZ.
    
    25 years is quite a long way down the track. A hell of a lot can change between now and then.
    
    The first thing that HAS to happen is just get the current very dangerous clowns off the stage. That’s it. Otherwise NZ is definitely screwed.
    
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    July 4, 2023 6:28pm
- kowtow
  
  Will he do one on Lying Leary attending an ‘Election Commission’ meeting and the $2.75 million signal Labour gave the self described MMob that they were their chosen foot soldiers .
  
  ps When we see Leary in future will it be acceptable to give her the Roman salute and a cuppla barks by way of a hooroo .
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:26am
- Swifty
  
  Righties do things out of venal self-interest but with lefties it’s out of the goodness of their heart.
  
  Got it.
  
  For someone of such age and experience he’s really away with the fairies isn’t he? Like the unions don’t encourage their members to vote left, union members overwhelmingly vote left, beneficiaries vote left, civil servants and minimum wage workers vote left all out of some sort of altruism rather than naked self-interest?
  
  Simon Wilson is a fantasist. He’s not playing with a full deck.
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:26am
- RRM
  
  Whereas people donate to labour and the greens out of a spirit of pure philanthropy, right?
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/wealthy-donors-match-150000-in-small-donations-to-labour/RD75PVHAXFBGFOFKVG3CF4OYGQ/
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:32am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I wonder if Mills paid back all the money he was required to that he got during the lockdown.
    
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    July 4, 2023 9:49am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Why do think he was required to pay back the money? Les Mills met the criteria. They were fully closed during the lockdown. No revenue, but employees to be paid.
      
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      July 4, 2023 8:58pm
- Warren
  
  It’s the Herald that is responsible for this germ because the enable him to write these hateful bitter columns to hide behind, they know exactly what they are doing and that is hiding behind there own beliefs by letting others do there dirty work.
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:37am
- Gordon Shumway
  
  Here’s hoping that opinion piece is one day held up as an example of peak stupidity.
  
  If people with trusts can’t vote on “such matters”, then presumably beneficiaries can’t vote about benefits, retirees can’t vote about the retirement age or pension, and women better recuse themselves when it comes to the Ministry of Women’s Affairs.
  
  Wilson is either so thick or conniving. “Being interested” in a matter – perhaps because you own something or you fall into a defined category – does not rule you out from being a democratically elected leader.
  
  I, for one, want highly successful wealth-accumulators amongst the people making decisions about how to make NZ Inc. wealthier and more prosperous.
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:40am
- David George
  
  How has Simon “Bloody” Wilson still got a job after his egregious lies?
  
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  July 4, 2023 9:28am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Well they still use utter bile from Shaneel Lal, presumably they pay him for his crap.
    The Whoreald are a narrative propaganda machine. They very rarely do actual journalism.
    
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    July 4, 2023 9:51am
  - ProtectBabiesFromPredators
    
    Simon Wilson gets a reaction. His boss gets engagement over and above any banal reporting.
    Engagement = viewing advertising. Job Done.
    
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    July 4, 2023 6:58pm
- Beach Haven expat
  
  Does he ask what James Cameron is hoping to buy from his donation to the Greens?
  
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  July 4, 2023 10:04am
- Loddenthinks
  
  “Why do lefties always throw in a nasty jab when they make a point?”
  
  It’s difficult to say; I’ve never once seen them make a point.
  
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  July 4, 2023 10:17am
  - bjools
    
    It’s not difficult
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcSyHA8UngQ
    It’s their nature.
    
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    July 4, 2023 5:15pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  What were James Cameron and Lucy Lawless “hoping to buy” from the Green Party? These things go both ways, you know.
  
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  July 4, 2023 11:50am
  - plc
    
    No they don’t, silly
    
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    July 4, 2023 1:01pm
- Ehlana
  
  Of course they have an agenda – they want to support National or Act in their campaigns to get elected because they want the policies of those parties implemented, and that can only happen if they become the government.
  
  The same is, of course, true of people who donate to other parties. Or does he think Labour and Greens donors give them money in the hope they won’t win or that if they do, they won’t implement the policies they campaigned on.
  
  Come to think of it, that second option is the way it worked out.
  
  So maybe Simon Wilson really is surprised that people would want they party they support to implement its policies.
  
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  July 4, 2023 2:14pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

What is it with the left and saying sorry, or apologising?
Tory Whanau. All she had to do was say “Yes I did that, and I am sorry. I was influenced by alcohol and I fucked up. Sorry.” That would be the end of it, but now the media are all over it like flies on shit. Media are not protecting lefties. The PIJF must have run dry.
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July 4, 2023 8:07am
- sirknz
  
  PIJF finished on the 30th June.
  
  Lefty meltdown online is predictable given that they are calling this a National Party hit job and dirty politics in conjunction with the media, which is ~80% left leaning…
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:10am
- Blackbob
  
  Wasn’t July 1st the end of the PIJF bribe money? No more sponsored propaganda except for those crap TV adds for nanny state
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:13am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The ads are worth quite a bit of money. Taken over the last 3 years I would be fairly certain it amounted to a lot more than the actual fund itself.
    
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    July 4, 2023 9:54am
    - DeepBlue
      
      Once National cuts comms budgets and advertising Stuff truly will be Stuffed.
      
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      July 4, 2023 10:16am
  - greybeard
    
    Not only TV: recently there has been a noticeable increase in radio ads for various govt-funded activities ( taking sick leave, CV-19 boosters, etc )
    
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    July 4, 2023 10:47am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    I believe that the govt pumped 116 million dollars into the media with covid advertising alone.
    
    When you turn on the tvor radio, ask yourself, how many of the ads are taxpayer funded. That’s how they’re finding the media.
    
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    July 4, 2023 11:52pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The left think she is bring attack for something simple, but it’s her arrogance snd entitlement that is being attacked, something I thought the greens hated
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:14am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    How many people did Shaw fly to Glasgow for a ‘climate change’ (COP26) conference when it was almost over?
    Didn’t we watch the Maori Party leader eating posh pâtisseries and swanning around Paris sharing it all on social media?
    
    The left are the champions of entitlement.
    
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    July 4, 2023 9:59am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Not quite yet because had it been anyone else who wasnt so intersectional the media would have eviscerated them.
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:16am
- Colville
  
  You obviously haven’t read this POS…
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/132472069/the-pearlclutching-over-the-mayors-tipsy-night-out?cid=app-android
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:18am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    A paid for PR piece, no doubt at the ratepayer expense. The first paragraph is a big clue.
    
    “David Cormack is a communications and public relations specialist from Wellington.”
    
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    July 4, 2023 10:03am
  - Beach Haven expat
    
    Love the inference that the whole episode was cooked up by mysterious business forces furious that the Let’s Get Welly stuff was voted through. Clearly the mayor getting p*ssed, shooting her gob off and then legging it without paying the bill had nothing to do with it.
    Oh, and this line that her and her chum woke this next morning and realised what had happened so sorted out the bill… or was the next morning realisation more along the lines of realising they do know who you are Tory so will come knocking for the cash because when you were tipsy you thought you could get away with it?
    
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    July 4, 2023 10:20am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Yep – Cormack is a former Greens staffer and admits to being a friend of Whanau.
    
    He also admits to not being there and not knowing what happened, but expects us to believe that “if Whanau did say “Do you know who I am?” she would have been joking around.”
    
    Talk about the uninformed speculating on something that’s already happened.
    
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    July 4, 2023 10:21am
  - Ehlana
    
    Pearl-clutching? Sounds to me like a putdown. Is David Cormack afraid of women who don’t agree with him then?
    
    I notice Stuff is not allowing comments on this piece.
    
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    July 4, 2023 10:49am
    - Thought Criminal
      
      Sounds like sexism.
      
      I’m waiting for a furious backlash from the media.
      
      Oh wait, he’s a lefty. Free pass.
      
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      July 4, 2023 11:54pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    “Full disclosure: I’ve worked with Tory when we were both at the Greens. She’s also a good friend of mine, so this may colour my view of the whole episode.”
    That quote from the article. Yes it does colour your view.
    
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    July 4, 2023 11:16am
- PeeJay
  
  Worst part for me is MSM running interference with a level of hypocrisy that defies belief.
  
  Stuff has an opinion piece (clearly desperate to protect their mate at WCC) about pearl clutching in mock shock, all because this poor Maori woman had a bit of a tipsy night out – after all, nothing happened, nobody got hurt. Only surprise for me is the author managed to somehow avoid blaming the restaurant staff of being sexist / racists!!! The left do love a bit of victim bashing when protecting their own (lock down KFC worker? Lockdown gang prostitutes? So many examples!).
  
  The hypocrisy is staggering. Yes……I well recall that the MSM did exactly the same with Aaron Gilmore…….they ruished to defend his right to party, no doorstep intrusions or hunting and hounding him, no gleeful reporting that he’d gone. Yes, they definitely moved on and didn’t just report on his fall out with his parents a few months back……yes, MSM were totally relaxed about his behaviour (and yes – he was an arrogant tool and deserved some of the ridicule). Sure I remember the MSM not attacking Wayne Brown back in January over the flooding – seem to remember them saying he couldn’t be on call all the time and had a right to a life.
  
  No siree – MSM is fair and evenly balanced and definitely don’t display their total and utter bias on an hourly basis!!!! And yes – heavy sarcasm indeed!
  
  Hypocrites. MSM are utter bloody hypocrites.
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:28am
  - zulumonster
    
    Absolutely hypocrites … imagine the furore if this story was about Mayor Brown of Auckland!!!
    
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    July 4, 2023 1:37pm
- 3-coil
  
  Steve: have you considered that when Wellington mayor Tory Whanau asked the restaurant staffer “do you know who I am?” she may have just been checking out if it could be possible to dine and dash (as they did later in the evening)…? People do stupid things when they are drunk.
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:32am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    3-coil – if she had to ask somebody who she was, she was a bit more than tipsy…….🤣🤣🤣
    
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    July 4, 2023 10:07am
    - DeepBlue
      
      Quickly followed by: what’s my address?
      
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      July 4, 2023 10:17am
  - Beach Haven expat
    
    Is there any possiblility she asked: ‘What am I?’ rather than the quoted who?
    
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    July 4, 2023 2:41pm
- Scooter
  
  Poor Tory, I think she’s only just realised that being in a high profile job (ie Mayor rather than Green MP) while out behaving badly you might get filmed.
  
  https://fb.watch/lyWW08GyjD/
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:43am
- kowtow
  
  The media might be all over it but so far I’ve seen no commentary on the power relationship , conflict of interest aspect between someone who is the titular head of licensing and health inspections and being abusive in a restaurant .
  
  That is the heart of this matter.
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:43am
  - sirknz
    
    Online it has been ‘right wing media bias shows in attacking strong Maori women, wouldn’t happen to a white man’.
    
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    July 4, 2023 9:59am
    - DeepBlue
      
      It did though, and he lost his job.
      
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      July 4, 2023 10:19am
    - Ehlana
      
      No, I mean, look at this character, you wouldn’t call him a white man, would you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Gilmore
      
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      July 4, 2023 10:44am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      cis white man – Marama Davidson.
      
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      July 4, 2023 3:50pm
- RoboRob
  
  You only need to apologise if you have integrity or if you fear the repercussions of your actions. On the left there are no repercussions for what would normally be career ending mistakes, not that this particular one should end ones career. Integrity? Apparently not.
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:57am
- rouppe
  
  What do you mean media are not protecting Lefties.
  
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  July 4, 2023 9:27am
- thirteenstars
  
  Some dag on the radio this morning said when he heard Tory Whanau was in trouble he thought it was a new government department.
  
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  July 4, 2023 10:20am
sirknz

This seems normal. A PR person for the Greens writing a puff piece on a Greens carrying mayor who is being called for bad behaviour over the weekend.

https://archive.fo/qiKK9 [$tuff]

And it currently has a prime spot on the page as at 8am.

The leftys are trying to spin this as an attack on a Maori woman in power, when it is in fact an attack on someone who is a public figure, paid for by the public, behaving inappropriately in public. Again, and again, and again.

By the way, has anyone seen her events calendar published online yet.
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July 4, 2023 8:08am
- zulumonster
  
  yeah – it was published .. .although not sure how up to date it was. Nor how consistent with actual attendance …
  
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  July 4, 2023 1:55pm
Bridgenag

This is chilling…… 10mins in if you haven’t time for the whole interview….
Dr David Bell on the WHO Pandemic ‘Treaty’
Global health expert warns of the threat of fascism from public-private ‘partnerships’

“For over 8 years David worked with the World Health Organisation on Malaria mitigation – and also worked for the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation in Seattle. He became increasingly aware that the idea of the public/private partnership was becoming skewed in the direction of the corporate “stakeholders”. “

https://open.substack.com/pub/thenewera/p/dr-david-bell-on-the-who-pandemic?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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July 4, 2023 8:11am
Swifty

It’s the hypocrisy of the left that really gets me.

David Cormack revels in making personal attacks on his political opponents for their actions and behaviour on Twitter. He delights in it.

But if others do it to his political allies he gaslights them as ‘pearl-clutching great aunts’.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/132472069/the-pearlclutching-over-the-mayors-tipsy-night-out

But I have no doubt whatsoever that if it had been a Nat or Act MP pollie acting as Whanau has done he would be ripping them to shreds for it.

And just BTW, I wonder how these one-off columns come about. Did Stuff people go running to Cormack asking for a defence of Tipsy Tory or would Cormack have run to Stuff people offering to do one?

Either way, it was all lightning fast. He must have knocked it up in a flash yesterday.
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July 4, 2023 8:12am
- sirknz
  
  It is the prime position on the page this morning that was really galling for me.
  
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  July 4, 2023 10:01am
BeaB

Peddling silly stories like looking drunk without make-up and denying you said something it’s obvious you did is the worst possible tactic for Tory Whanau. A quick heartfelt apology would have sorted this.
Instead she needs abject fanboy David Cormack to write an absurdly partisan article. I didn’t need to clutch my pearls. I just thought I’m glad she’s not our mayor. Drunks, party girls, liars, egotists – they all have their place but best not in positions of power.
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July 4, 2023 8:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I did say this here. “sorry I fucked up” would have kept the now unpaid media away.//
  
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  July 4, 2023 5:07pm
Bridgenag

Gates commits $400 million to test new TB vaccine on 26,000 people in Africa and Southeast Asia – LifeSite

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gates-commits-400-million-to-test-new-tb-vaccine-on-26000-people-in-africa-and-southeast-asia/
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July 4, 2023 8:19am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Well to be fair, the famous ‘Doctor’ Gates did an amazing job with his polio vaccine in Africa.
  
  With reports streaming in throughout 2019 regarding the circulation of vaccine-derived polioviruses in numerous African and Asian countries, a CDC virologist confessed, “We have now created more new emergences of the virus than we have stopped.”
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/sep/02/vaccine-derived-polio-spreads-in-africa-after-defeat-of-wild-virus
  
  And equally astonishing results with their DTP experiment on young children.
  
  Bill Gates and his surrogates, GAVI and WHO, made DTP a priority for African babies. The Danish government and Novo Nordisk Foundation commissioned this study by a team of the world’s leading experts on African vaccination. The two most prominent names, Drs. Soren Mogensen and Peter Aaby, are both vocal vaccine supporters. They were shocked when they examined years of data from a so called “natural experiment” in Guinea Bissau where 50% of children die before age five. In that west African nation, half the children were vaccinated with the DTP vaccine at three months and the other half at six months. Dr. Mogenson and his team found that girls vaccinated with the DTP vaccine died at 10 times the rate of unvaccinated kids. While the vaccinated children were protected from Diphtheria, Tetanus and Pertussis, they were far more susceptible to other deadly diseases than unvaccinated peers. The vaccine apparently compromised their immune systems. Thanks to Gates, DTP is the world’s most popular vaccine.
  
  https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/the-bill-gates-effect-whos-dtp-vaccine-kills-more-children-in-africa-than-the-diseases-it-targets/
  
  Bill Gates promoting another vaccine? What could possibly go wrong? //
  
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  July 4, 2023 10:25am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Do you think I could repeat the best interview ever about the last few years and our future?
    
    https://open.substack.com/pub/thenewera/p/dr-david-bell-on-the-who-pandemic?
    r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
    
    Echo chamber stuff about silly ministers….really?
    
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    July 4, 2023 1:17pm
  - mawm
    
    I think that there is a certain amount of malevolence in his “philanthropic” endeavour to vaccinate the world.
    
    Don’t forget the ravages of his polio vaccine in India.
    
    The Gates Foundation in conjunction with the WHO sponsored the Kenyan push to prevent neonatal tetanus, which is rife in Africa due to the practice of smearing the raw umbilicus with cow dung, by vaccinating women and girls with HCG laced tetanus vaccine. They are now infertile due to the antibodies formed against HCG which is necessary for implantation of the fertilised egg’s developing placenta.
    
    Gates has been releasing genetically modified mosquitos in Florida and Texas (part of his quest to eradicate malaria, and now they have locally acquired malaria in both states. The migrants might bring the plasmodium in but the vector (mosquito) is needed for the spread. We’ll see where this one goes.
    
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    July 4, 2023 1:20pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      @mawm – isn’t he also funding the idea that we block the sun with some form of aluminium chemtrail to prevent ‘global warming’? I think it’s called solar geoengineering.
      
      I know another bloody conspiracy theory.
      
      https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/09/07/how-bill-gates-funded-solar-geoengineering-could-help-cool-the-planet.html
      
      What could possibly go wrong??? //
      
      Narcissistic billionaires have far too much time on their hands, far too much money and influence and corporations have far too much power for almost zero responsibility for their disasters.
      
      Here’s a humourous little game. Try and spend Bill Gate’s money.
      
      https://neal.fun/spend/
      
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      July 4, 2023 4:37pm
Ehlana

Today is Alice in Wonderland day, commemorating the day on which Charles Lutwidge Dodgson, later Lewis Carroll, is said to have first told the story that became the book.
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July 4, 2023 8:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Amazing that people pick that story and characters to pieces.
  Dodgson a pedophile? Photographing girls with their top down?
  Not sure I believe that.
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:49am
- RoboRob
  
  Lol. I thought your post was going to be about the Labour MP that cant tell the difference between a Mogrel Mob ‘Hui’ and and electoral commision event.
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:50am
  - Ehlana
    
    Sadly, that is not fantasy.
    
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    July 4, 2023 11:16am
- bennerg
  
  The day after he found mushrooms growing at the bottom of his garden?
  
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  July 4, 2023 9:25am
BeaB

I Hope a sleuth is finding out who paid the bills and what with. A company credit card? A mayoral credit card? Cash?
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July 4, 2023 8:25am
Vladislava

Because politicians are not so good at saying sorry.

Look at Jacinda. Promised to give everyone affordable houses. No apology.

The other thing is that people who drink too much generally minimise and deflect. She was sufficiently intoxicated that she was refused service. She may have a hazy or distorted memory of the events.
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July 4, 2023 8:26am
- Vladislava
  
  Sorry that was supposed to be a reply to Steve’s comment about Tory Whanau.
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Jaspinda got a sharpie and redacted “sorry” from her dictionary.
    I have another comment but I do not want to get a holiday.
    
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    July 4, 2023 8:53am
    - RoboRob
      
      I dont think she can pronounce the word ‘sorry’.
      
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      July 4, 2023 8:58am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      A holiday in Coventry?
      
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      July 4, 2023 6:37pm
- Colville
  
  They didn’t refuse her service. They said they were about to when they looked around and she had done a runner.
  Considering they would have been very aware of who she is and the power she has over the restaurants very existence there is an enormous power imbalance there it’s likely they would never have refused her service in fear of the backlash.
  Very similar to Kiritapu “I have never had a FORMAL complaint lodged” Allan.
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:35am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes, footage shows her bro g questioned over her sobriety, they guy was doing his job on licenses
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:41am
- Ehlana
  
  I actually find the non-apologies to the KFC worker and the women who travelled up north more concerning. These are individual citizens who were maligned from on high when they did nothing wrong. The very least leadership requires is that if you publicly wrongly accuse someone, you publicly put it right.
  
  And learn the lesson to keep your mouth shut next time.
  
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  July 4, 2023 9:05am
G152

After the Kaimai crash has been remembered heres to Alexander Helicopters based at Wanganui who did so much in the search and recovery.
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July 4, 2023 8:26am
Maggy Wassilieff

Deny, Deflect, Delay…

Labour is such a master of the 3Ds.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/07/chris-hipkins-delays-chatting-with-kiri-allan-as-he-jets-off-to-europe-for-trade-talks-nato-meeting.html
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July 4, 2023 8:32am
- Matt Long
  
  Is his foreign minister on these trips or is she under deep cover witless protection.
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:41am
  - RoboRob
    
    Doesn’t she have to take the waka to these overseas meetings? I think she is still on the boat to China for the Chinese visit.
    
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    July 4, 2023 8:54am
  - Clyde
    
    If you were wanting to put NZ in a good light would you take along a bumbling, shuffling, person with scribbles? Her only objective in life is to enhance her personal standing not to mention clipping the ticket at every opportunity. I can well imagine that the European leaders don’t need to learn about Tea-kunga or how the East Polynesians first discovered Antarctica.
    
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    July 4, 2023 8:58am
  - Nickc2
    
    I think she’s too busy Hoovering up Mongrel Mob votes for the next election.
    
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    July 4, 2023 9:28am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Pushing it closer to the break up of parliament, he has said Wood could be back after the the election , it won’t be a could, it will be a will be back, opposition has portfolios as well
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:43am
- RoboRob
  
  I see Allan is back on paid leave again, having worked a whole week since her last leave. Considering there a F all days left of business for parliament whats the excuse for taking all this personal leave? Of is this just more ‘witless protection’?
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:52am
  - Vladislava
    
    She says it is school holidays and she has a child to look after.
    
    She frantically tweeted that her latest leave has nothing to do with her mental health. (I can’t seem to find the link right now.)
    
    She also said that she was looking forward to having a “yarn” with Hipkins when he returned to New Zealand.
    
    Very odd 😂
    
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    July 4, 2023 10:53am
- softail 1450
  
  MW, Chippie could donate all of our 70 year old Orions to Zelenskys war effort, it’d help Ukraine in their war about as much as Jacinda Ardern will help raise the decency and IQ levels at Harvard university.
  
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  July 4, 2023 9:02am
peterwn

So Chris Hipkins is having a chat with Kiri today. Presumably Chris will not be ordering coffee.
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July 4, 2023 8:33am
- Flossie
  
  Is he? I was sure I read he was going to do that after his return from Europe.
  
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  July 4, 2023 9:42am
  - Beach Haven expat
    
    If he turns the phone volume up everyone on the plane will be able to hear the “chat”
    
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    July 4, 2023 10:27am
  - peterwn
    
    Typical Headmaster trick. Leave the pupil outside his study to stew and to contemplate getting 6 of the best.
    
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    July 4, 2023 1:02pm
- greybeard
  
  If he does, he better make sure someone pays for it.
  That sort of bad behaviour is catching.
  
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  July 4, 2023 12:10pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Yes I can imagine the interested head tilt and the priest-like calmness.
  
  The marching orders will be delivered later on.
  
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  July 4, 2023 6:39pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Another Asian immigrant to NZ killed by a mentally ill person.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/meremere-stabbing-paul-hughes-found-responsible-for-fishermans-murder-detained-in-facility/C3HCHAIKZRDIJKDIHCV4H5ZORE/
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July 4, 2023 8:37am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Lends more weight to the description of what this country has become in the last 6 years….. ‘A-Free-Range-Asylum’
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:48am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It is that, and when things don’t turn out as planned, you run.
    Oma rāpeti, Oma rāpeti
    Oma, oma, oma
    Oma rāpeti, oma rāpeti
    Oma, oma, oma
    Piko, piko, piko, piko, piko, piko
    Toro, piko
    Toro, toro, toro, toro, toro, toro
    Piko, toro.
    
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    July 4, 2023 9:04am
  - Jack5
    
    The unfortunate victim in this case was a Muslim refugee from Myanmar.
    
    New Zealand’s refugees seem mostly to be Muslim. This will be thanks to the Wellington bureaucracy’s kow-towing to the United Nations.
    
    An exception has been one of the Wellington bureucracy’s weirder decisions: settling refugees from Colombia, which straddles the Equator, in chilly Southland.
    
    As a country, we have taken shamefully few of the Christian Middle-Easterners who have been all but wiped out in recent decades.
    
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    July 4, 2023 9:10am
- Gravyman2
  
  Not great reporting. It’s not sentencing at all. He will be detained as being unfit to stand trial (and a special patient under the mental health act) but his fitness will be evaluated every 6 months. When he obtains fitness he can be tried for the murder if the AG approves. The charge doesn’t go away.
  
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  July 4, 2023 8:57am
- peterwn
  
  Seems similar to the Haining Street, Wellington murder in 1905 which was racially inspired. The offender spent the rest of his life in institutions especially the former Seacliff Mental Hospital.
  
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  July 4, 2023 9:53am
Rusty

People in positions of authority like Tory Whanau should be held to a higher level of accountability than the average person.

Mayors like politicians have jobs that are 24/7 not 9-5. They are in the public spotlight all the time even if they don’t like it and their social lives should reflect their working lives.
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July 4, 2023 8:38am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Imagine if Wayne Brown was a bit tipsy in a pub and walked out without paying. Simon Wilson would be wetting himself with excitement.
  
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  July 4, 2023 2:25pm
Jack5

I posted late last night a follow-up to the Rangi-Ruru girls’ school scandal involving a Maori culture teacher. Many will have missed this post as it was posted too late to be moderated before today.

It reported the teacher, Taurapa (formerly known as Connor Taurapa Matthews), had joined Stuff as the news chain’s first full-time Maori translator.

The details are here:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300683500/stuff-on-a-mission-to-normalise-te-reo-mori-one-story-at-a-time

The initial post is in the July 3 General Debate thread about 20 to 25 posts up from the bottom.
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July 4, 2023 9:00am
- kowtow
  
  Bwahahaha
  
  $1uffed were such big peddlers of feminist # .
  
  Hypocrites .
  
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  July 4, 2023 9:42am
- Littletramp
  
  Another Kamahl Santamaria, first TVNZ & now Stuff?
  Tripped up by diversity hires?
  
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  July 4, 2023 9:54am
  - plc
    
    Reference checks are so colonial
    
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    July 4, 2023 10:46am
- DeepBlue
  
  He is full of his own importance. Stuff also had an article on his decolonisation by going to a traditional one word name ‘Taurapa’.
  Now seems he ditched other western teaching norms too.
  
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  July 4, 2023 10:29am
  - Jack5
    
    ‘Taurapa” appears in a Stuff article linked to below on New Zealand folk who have one-word legal names.
    
    The article reports Taurapa’s motive for having just one legal name: “Before Christian and colonial influence in Aotearoa, tangata Maori didn’t use surnames – so why should he?”
    
    Most of the 1476 people in the country with one legal name – a mononym – are Indians. Stuff attributes to an ethnic source one possible reason: a dropped part of a name had revealed an Indian person’s caste.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/130840951/meet-some-new-zealanders-with-one-name-yep-just-the-one
    
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    July 4, 2023 1:02pm
    - graham
      
      There’s also the E tū Union’s head of aviation who goes by the name of “Savage“.
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018853124/up-to-40-air-nz-staff-made-redundant-waiting-to-be-rehired
      
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      July 4, 2023 2:52pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Pronounced ‘Sauvage’ in the French manner?
        
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        July 4, 2023 8:57pm
Burtland

Seems Developing Nations have given up on IPCC handouts for Climate Change, theyre now heading off to the IMF and World Bank.

Barbados’ Mia Mottley is formulating a raid on the IMF and World Bank to the tune of $100B – of course the trojan horse is Climate Change. Seems this years COP27 Loss and Damage Fund isnt delivering the mular, hence the new attack.

Is this Climate Change Part 2, where Developing Nations ride the climate change horse to extract big pay outs ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3ct5bk5
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July 4, 2023 9:01am
nathie

Labour Party press release draft copy leaked …

Statement to be read by PM:
“Ingrid heard a lot of mad barking coming from a building, thinking a cat may have been trapped by some rabid mad dogs she rushed in. Despite noticing lots of big rough looking gangsters in there Ingrid bravely kept searching for an hour and gave a speech before leaving”.

Cue prop at the conclusion of the statement:
Someone hand over cute kitten to Chippie to cuddle when taking questions from the parliament press gallery reporters.

Te Pāti Māori take to social media in response …

“TPM condemns Labour’s characterisation of so-called “Gangsters” – they are our “babies”, mind you umm big babies and deserve to be treated as such … oh stink can I start again”?

https://www.facebook.com/MaoriParty/posts/pfbid036Yak5pdzUht7aPRGDL9GSL2TmKdSJE5pjNZH8mhtghBCR3pG4w1mAyeALdSrfFvBl
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July 4, 2023 9:03am
Matt Long

Oops, an exploding life saver that kills two people. Government supported lternative energy in a nutshell.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/motoring/132470185/experimental-hybrid-called-lifesave-explodes-killing-two
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July 4, 2023 9:07am
Maggie Pie

OMG…..
A bestie from tennis just txt me who the other woman was!

My lips are sealed 😛
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July 4, 2023 9:12am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Let me guess – Marama Davidson?
  
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  July 4, 2023 9:24am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Maggie well we’re not asking for you to unseal your lips you can keep them shut whilst you type. Now spill the damn beans.
  
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  July 4, 2023 9:27am
- Ghost
  
  Other woman? You mean there are others? Geez this is getting confusing, so there are woman, trans woman, and other woman……
  
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  July 4, 2023 2:53pm
- Dougal10
  
  Her drinking mate must have more pull over the media . One has to wonder why they thought the other had paid , was it supposed to be a battle of the credit cards or the lite weight drinker has to pay kind of deal .
  
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  July 4, 2023 6:54pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Rallies getting bigger.

https://valiantnews.com/2023/07/50000-people-swarmed-town-of-just-5000-to-see-a-trump-rally/

Twitter links do not work but one video does.
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July 4, 2023 9:13am
Jack5

July 4, a big day in America, and 102 days until NZ’s general election.
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July 4, 2023 9:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Independence Day Is big there. Alaska 2015 and 2017 we did not see any of the huge parades. Our host families took us to an 80 acre block west of Wasilla. Cabins, Luton bodies (no truck) caravans, quad bikes galore.
  They had monday off so 4 days of music, BBQ moose meat, campfire, chainsaw wood and chop it up, drinking beer, wine and whiskey, and shooting gun targets.
  And photos of course. I shot my first handgun the day before at a gun range. Previous 2 hours of instructions and yep, the slide on the 9mm got me. I was warned but so much happening I did not keep my thumb down. Lucky is was not the 45. Owner said the 45 would have given me a real good injury instead of two scratches.
  Wow, what a great time!
  
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  July 4, 2023 10:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    From my Facebook. If you’re anti-gun, you don’t get to celebrate 4th of July. You would never have fought back. Enjoy your pride month, pussies.
    Happy Birthday America.
    
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    July 4, 2023 11:32am
Maggie Pie

Honestly, do you think people would actually fall for this SHITE ever again?

https://tiktok.com/@covid19nz/video/7031779622756830466
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July 4, 2023 9:19am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I just threw up in my mouth. You should have had a graphic images warning on that MP…..
  
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  July 4, 2023 10:36am
- Inandout
  
  Magggie, given our appallingly low school standards, well ‘yes’ is probably the answer.
  
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  July 4, 2023 11:20am
- WaynelSexton
  
  I don’t know how you guys fell for it in the first place.
  
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  July 4, 2023 3:04pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Ggggaaahhh! Nooooooo! 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫
  
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  July 4, 2023 6:44pm
sirknz

Here is a list of the people on the Cyber Security Advisory Committee. One of these people is not like the others…

Sheridan Broadbent, Kordia Chairwoman

Vanessa Clark, Research Developer in Māori Engagement at the University of Waikato

Jon Duffy, Consumer NZ CEO

Steve Honiss, Director of Cyber Strategy and Risk at ZX Security

Victoria MacLennan, Co-Chair of NZRise (now Head of IT Professionals NZ)

Hamish Rumbold, Chief Digital and Technology Officer at Kiwibank

Mandy Simpson, Chief Digital Officer at Z Energy

Can you tell which one is the odd one out?
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July 4, 2023 9:23am
- greybeard
  
  I’ll bite: Vanessa Clark.
  Is there a prize ?
  
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  July 4, 2023 12:04pm
  - Vladislava
    
    Maybe stats nz should have employed her to get Maori to fill out the census forms. 😂
    
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    July 4, 2023 12:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/wonderful-waitmate/
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July 4, 2023 9:38am
Ghost

Robert Kennedy Jr talking about who assassinated his father

SHOCK: RFK Jr Reveals REAL Killer of His Father, Thane Eugene Cesar, Lockheed Martin/CIA Operative
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July 4, 2023 9:42am
- ClanMcleod
  
  An outstanding book on the topic is ‘JFK and the Unspeakable: Why he died and why it matters’.
  
  https://www.johnketwig.com/post/a-review-of-jfk-and-the-unspeakable-why-he-died-and-why-it-matters
  
  A brilliant read.
  
  I’m currently enjoying reading ‘Brothers’ which is quite an in depth study of RFK and JFK and their relationships with the various agencies and actors of their time.
  
  https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/524654.Brothers
  
  Their story is one of the greatest enigmas of the 20th century. Plenty of conjecture, plenty of discussion, but still much of it a mystery.
  
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  July 4, 2023 10:42am
  - Ghost
    
    Thanks, I’ll download them tonight
    
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    July 4, 2023 10:49am
  - Inandout
    
    CM, YouYube is swarming with videos on the JFK shooting, some thought provoking, some just plain speculation. Robert Jnr says the CIA was responsible and I guess he would have heard many opinions from members of the Kennedy Clan during his lifetime.
    
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    July 4, 2023 11:17am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Ben Shapiro on his “Debunked” series, gives a pretty solid assessment of the murder of JFK.
      
      https://www.dailywire.com/podcasts/debunked/jfk-assassination-conspiracies
      
      A ton of f@#@ing ads therein but you can use the skip ahead button on them.
      
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      July 4, 2023 6:57pm
kowtow

Now that the French rioters have tried to murder a mayor’s wife and family in their home will reporters such as Lysette Raymer change their tune that it’s all about “justice”.
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July 4, 2023 9:44am
- Burtland
  
  Lysette Raymer – Christchurch’s broadcasting school
  same pedigree as Jack Tame, Mei Heron.
  
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  July 4, 2023 10:24am
- Inandout
  
  kowtow, are we informed that the youth was in a stolen vehicle?
  
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  July 4, 2023 11:12am
  - kowtow
    
    yesterday on GD some one with rellies in Fr said so.
    
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    July 4, 2023 1:39pm
  - kowtow
    
    From wiki , for what it’s worth
    
    ‘According to the public prosecutor of Nanterre, two Paris Police Prefecture motorcycle officers noticed a Mercedes-Benz A Class AMG with a Polish license plate driving at high speed in a bus lane, driven by a young-looking person at around 7:55 am. The officers activated their warning signals (audible and visual) and indicated to the driver of the car, then stationary at a red traffic light, to stop. The vehicle started moving and ran the red light. The officers followed the car and alerted their superiors via radio. The car committed multiple traffic violations, endangering a pedestrian and a cyclist.
    
    Due to traffic congestion, the vehicle was eventually forced to stop. The police officers got off their motorcycles, pointed their guns at the driver, and ordered him to turn off the engine. Instead, the vehicle started to pull away, and one of the police officers fired a shot at the driver. The vehicle continued its route before crashing into street furniture at 8:19 am. The rear passenger was arrested when he exited the vehicle. The front right passenger fled. The police officer who fired the shot provided first aid to the driver. The driver was pronounced dead at 9:15 am.[20][21][22]’
    
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    July 4, 2023 2:23pm
  - kowtow
    
    Inandout
    
    have a listen to the first 15 mins of the Andrew Bolt podcast from yesterday .
    
    Big picture analysis .
    
    Very concerning indeed.
    
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    July 4, 2023 3:22pm
DeepBlue

The big question for Kiri Allan is whether she defects to Te Maori Parti before Chippy can demote her next Friday. Go under a cloud, rather than confirmed misdemeanours.

May as well be a big pin in the disrupter party, than a lowly back bencher. Heck she might even be a Minister again if TMP are king-makers.
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July 4, 2023 10:48am
- Tony Stuart
  
  All TPM’s electorate seats are already taken. She’d have to stand on the list, and take her chances. The chances however that the TPM has an overhang are strong, and there probably won’t be any list MP’s.
  
  The only alternative would be for her to stand for TPM in East Coast, but that would likely split the Labour/Left vote and get the National candidate in.
  
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  July 4, 2023 12:09pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    What would be wrong with that?
    
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    July 4, 2023 12:35pm
  - DeepBlue
    
    They de-selected someone for Meka.
    
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    July 4, 2023 1:44pm
kevn

Health Work Force plan undertaken…
OK, we already know what is needed.
More nurses, more doctors.
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July 4, 2023 11:31am
- mandk
  
  We also need to revert to apprenticeship-type training for nurses.
  
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  July 4, 2023 12:54pm
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Like it sort of used to be.
    
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    July 4, 2023 1:13pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    apprenticeship-type training for nurses
    
    The job has become a lot more technical since things changed. AFAIK most other countries that I know of (US, Canada, Oz, UK) have gone the polytech way. They might all be wrong of course …..
    
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    July 4, 2023 5:01pm
I remember when

Who really thinks that Te Pati Maori will have 7% of the General Election seats.
They will need to win all of the Maori seats and get a couple of list seats.
The Te Pati Maori poll is only relevant if it is compared to the Labour Maori vote.
Incidentally, do Black Power have to hold their nose when they vote for Labour, given their hatred of red.
Any Te Pati Maori vote increase is at the expense of Labour.
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July 4, 2023 1:07pm
I remember when

The rich pricks using the share market to make money to increase their assets.
Price at end of June (price 24 September 2007)
Mainfreight: $72.00 ($6.91)
F&P Healthcare : $24.50 ($3.39)
Infratil: $10.15 ($2.95)
Ryman: $6.58 ($2.11)
Tourism Holdings: $3.87 ($2.35)
Goodman Prop: $2.22 ($1.52)

Or you could have got shares in –
Sky City: $2.28 ($5.14)
Sky TV: $2.44 ($5.45)
Contact Energy: $8.10 ($9.35)
Fletcher Building: $5.42 ($12.80)
Steel & Tube: $1.12 ($4.53)
Air NZ: $0.78 ($2.22)

All after nearly 16 years of inflation, tax on dividends and time and money spent following government legal requirements.
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July 4, 2023 1:32pm
- mogg
  
  Do you even understand? I will give you one example of your over simplification.
  Infratil IPO about 1994 @ 50 cents per share, with rights to buy @ 2 for one 75cents.
  About 10 yrs later the shares were split meaning that original listing price would be approx 25cents each.
  I still hold those shares today current price $10.32
  Today the results of the ‘new issue’ are out, cost to me $ 9.20 per share, todays value $10.32 each
  Non taxable capital gain on Infratil shares over past 10 yrs 19.4% per annum.
  
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  July 4, 2023 3:09pm
Bobba Fret

“Yes,” Hipkins said on Monday when asked if the public have confidence in his Cabinet.
LOL
Stuart Nash
Jan Tinetti
Meka Whaitiri
Michael Wood
Kiri Allan
Do you all still have confidence?
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July 4, 2023 2:05pm
- kevn
  
  @Bobba… Now then, would anybody on KB employ ANY of the above bods for anything?
  No?
  Would you buy a used car from any of them?
  No?
  
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  July 4, 2023 3:24pm
Maggie Pie

Heaps of twitter posts referring to… “Kiri-the-Muss”

LOL!!
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July 4, 2023 2:38pm
- ProtectBabiesFromPredators
  
  What’s in it?
  
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  July 4, 2023 7:26pm
In Vino Veritas

Further to the run out of Bairstow, and his disgust. There is now footage on the internet showing him trying to do exactly the same thing to Marnus Labuschagne on day 3 of the test at Lords. Except of course, he missed. So, his disgust at having it happen to him is just straight hypocrisy. It’s only against the spirit of the game when it happens to me, bugger thee.
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July 4, 2023 2:52pm
Prince

The Kind Left disburse their judgement, on:
Tory Whanau – So what ? It’s a restaurant that serves booze. People get pissed, get loud, swear, swagger about, forget to pay. What do you expect.
Kiri Allan – So what ? She has high expectations, busy lady, expects high performance. Who hasn’t shouted at staff when they disappoint ?
Stuart Nash – So what ? So he sent his donors emails detailing Cabinet discussions. They needed to know those details so they could help our country. Who wouldn’t do that ?
Michael Wood – So what ? Who hasn’t forgotten to take care of administivia a few times. He’s a busy man, trying to run the country. Perhaps he has higher priorities.
Jan Tinetti – So what ? So she said something in the House that was not true. She fixed it up a few months later. She’s a busy woman, trying to save our schools, polytechs and uni’s. Get over it.
Meka Whaitiri – So what ? It’s a free country (sort of). It’s not as though TPM would go with anyone other than Labour anyway. Fake News.

Sam Uffindell. Disgraceful bully. A leopard never changes its spots, even after 25 years. He has to go.
Mrs Luxon. Hypocrite. Look, she must have known her husband’s views on the discount. She, I mean he, has to go.
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July 4, 2023 2:58pm
Maggie Pie

Yuge number of people reckin the ‘Tory Whanau thing’ is just a smokescreen.
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July 4, 2023 2:58pm
- Ghost
  
  Sad to see they are doing abuse because some person was rude and walked out and didn’t pay, just goes to show crime pays and people support crime in nz
  
  The Wellington restaurant where staff spoke out about Mayor Tory Whanau’s allegedly drunken Friday night out has faced a social media backlash, but the manager is taking it on the chin.
  
  “It is just what happens,” said The Old Quarter manager Shay Lomas.
  
  Article
  
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  July 4, 2023 3:05pm
  - Blog-aholic
    
    If it is just what happens then that is an indictment of what this country has become.
    
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    July 4, 2023 3:19pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I see where they describe Tory as a 40yo unmarried woman, no children, net worth of 2 mill, was CoS for the Green Pardy, and lives alone with her dog Teddy.
    
    If that was me, I’d be out on the p*ss every night as well.
    Can’t see the problem really. Gurls just wanna have fun 😛
    
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    July 4, 2023 3:26pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Yeah, and after University BA, started working in the “financial sector”. Which is just code for being an insurance cold call sales person or such like. If she was doing anything meaningful, it would be up there in flashing lights, and more importantly, she wouldn’t be wasting so many millions of dollars.
      
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      July 4, 2023 3:39pm
  - ProtectBabiesFromPredators
    
    Perhaps offer one, then one more, of the higher end Wines, gratis, and then film the result?
    
    The woman is a Cabbage when sober.
    
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    July 4, 2023 7:30pm
- mogg
  
  I agree, Labour are a ‘shit show’ too busy playing ‘whack a mole’, Hipkins doesn’t know where the next scandal will pop up. A big part of this government are now walking dead and they know it.
  
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  July 4, 2023 4:01pm
  - kevn
    
    @mogg and all other thinking NZer’s… Bobs on to it.
    https://nopunchespulled.com/2023/07/03/the-political-polls/
    Landslide goners. Not just gone but GONE.
    
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    July 4, 2023 4:51pm
kevn

@Ghost… If I lived in Welly, I would be spending up big at his Old Quarter restaurant and saying thank you for doing the right thing.
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July 4, 2023 3:22pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Careful, they probably voted for her.
  
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  July 4, 2023 3:40pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Never again
    
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    July 4, 2023 9:03pm
fernglas

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/03/minister-covid-suicide-children-school-shutdowns-report/
It’s behind a paywall, but the gist is as follows;
“The Government was warned that more children would die from suicide than from Covid-19 before they ordered damaging school closures, a report by parent campaigners has found.

A joint briefing paper by the Department for Education and the Independent Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behaviours warned in November 2020 that “many more children will die from suicide than Covid-19 this year” as it cited evidence of a rise in self-harm among young people during lockdown.”
Given that Ardern took her instructions from the UK, you can bet she and Bloomfield were aware of this.
The pandemic response was driven by cowardice and fear; is there any hope that our emasculated little Commission of Inquiry will point this out?
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July 4, 2023 4:35pm
- kevn
  
  @fern… Give them gongs. That is the NZ way. Isn’t it?
  
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  July 4, 2023 4:49pm
ClanMcleod

When at some point in the future, some well meaning idiot tries to tell you that Ardern was ‘kind and caring’ and that, even if she made some mistakes she meant well – make sure you have a copy of this video on hand.

https://rumble.com/v2xztdw-no-wonder-jacinda-grimaced-when-she-was-asked-if-the-inquiry-would-look-at-.html

A little reminder of just how pure evil that person actually was and is. I thought I had heard all of her crap, apparently she was worse than I thought.
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July 4, 2023 4:41pm
Swifty

British Labour MP demonstrates her vileness for all the world to see:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KgtWpSm-Hq4
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July 4, 2023 4:50pm
Maggie Pie

Trying to think of the last time I saw any of MY girlfriends wearing ‘Hobnail Boots’.

Never actually. Just saying.
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July 4, 2023 5:02pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You just never wanted o look behind….
  
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  July 4, 2023 5:28pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The other day I was on about the Auckland Harbour Bridge,
These closures/non-closers/don’t know closures are being done by idiots.
70, 75 80 wind – gusts up to 100 kph. Seems Waka Coathanger are being run by “it will never be my fault” wankers!!
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July 4, 2023 5:27pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Hey Steve, you forgot the link!
  
  https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/warnings-of-potential-harbour-bridge-closure-way-too-over-cautious-hurting-auckland-economy-ema/ar-AA1do7CF
  
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  July 4, 2023 5:30pm
NZer In Exile

It appears we’ve been paid a visit by the down-vote fairy.
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July 4, 2023 7:35pm
- ProtectBabiesFromPredators
  
  Keeping a tally is the purview of the Talley’s.
  Just wait.
  
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  July 4, 2023 7:39pm
Swifty

Especially given what has transpired subsequently, it’s interesting to see what Darien Fenton and other lefties had to say about the Michael Wood debacle early on in proceedings:

https://www.facebook.com/darien.fenton/posts/pfbid02Pr7fabSJXz3PhEix72pVWKR5GdXEuUjv6jGrTxhVuy1qu7pH5Jg99bLvxiCd52dYl

I wonder if they still stand behind their conspiracy theories and attempted character assignations of Nat people of just a few weeks ago?
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July 4, 2023 8:09pm
Ghost

Electoral commission was at the gang hui too

Taieri MP Ingrid Leary mistook a Mongrel Mob hui in Dunedin for an Electoral Commission meeting because there were commission staff there.

The commission has confirmed to the Herald that it was invited to Mongrel Mob member Harry Tam’s election hui at the weekend.

“Our community engagement team was invited to a hui organised by the Mongrel Mob at a community centre in Dunedin on Saturday, July 1, to talk about enrolling and voting. Two of our team members attended the hui for just over an hour.”

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July 4, 2023 8:10pm
- greybeard
  
  “Two of our team members attended the hui for just over an hour.”
  Were they there when Leary was there ?
  Did they get there after she arrived ?
  Why did she not mention these two people at all when being interviewed ?
  The whole thing still smells a bit fishy to me.
  
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  July 5, 2023 7:19am
graham

The phrase “rats deserting a sinking ship” leaps to mind …

One of Stuff’s top editors has quit after less than six months in the role, amid a raft of leadership changes at the media company.

Caitlin Cherry was announced by Stuff, with fanfare, as the editor of The Dominion Post in December last year, and she started in the role on February 7.

Today, Bernadette Courtney, Stuff’s newsrooms editor-in-chief, announced to staff: “We are sad to let you know that Caitlin Cherry has resigned as Stuff’s Wellington editor. She has made a huge impact in this role.

Cherry did not wish to comment last week, but sources say she did not seek to apply for a proposed new role that included her existing duties.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/top-editor-quits-after-less-than-six-months-amid-stuff-leadership-changes/EARULQFBO5DH3LZCGMV4TARSEY/
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