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Bridgenag

There Was No Pandemic
An essay by Denis Rancourt

https://open.substack.com/pub/metatron/p/there-was-no-pandemic?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

also
https://hatchardreport.media/pdf-files/how-political-ideology-scientific-hubris-and-pharmaceutical-greed-sealed-the-fate-of-billions.pdf
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June 29, 2023 8:02am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Just read the post about Kiri Allan. Over the 50 years I have spent leading a team I have observed we dont do management (or governance) very well in NZ. Whilst not holding myself out as an expert I have learnt a lot starting as a 21 yo with a team of 8 women the youngest several years older than me and the oldest the age of my grandmother.
  I learnt you have to respect the people you lead and coach and emcourage them to do well. I used the One Minute Manager style and it always worked well for me.
  Turning to politicians it appears most come into Parliament with little or no interpersonal skills big egos and suffering from Dont You Know Who I Am disease. They lack empathy and humility. They think they are Gods gift and can walk on water.
  Well they aint. They are a mish mash of humans struggling to learn how to deal with other humans. Allan is just one of many examples.
  
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  June 29, 2023 9:39am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Like you it took me a while to work out the best management style to get the best out of others, and in my view it starts with listening and genuinely wanting the best for each of your team.
    
    The irony with MPs is that they couldn’t get to where they are without a selfless team of people volunteering to help you get elected, and most of the volunteers do it for the party and what (they believe) it represents, rather than the MPs personally. Yet the behaviour you mention, and which we witness every week it seems like, proves that many of them are egocentric, entitled, show ponies. Go figure.
    
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    June 29, 2023 10:13am
    - Matt Long
      
      Part of the proplem is people including staff treat them as though they were special and they come to believe it.
      You sit in on Zoom calls and OMG the minister is going to speak, be still my beating heart, the honour, the honour.
      A shame they mostly have nothing useful to add to the conversation.
      
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      June 29, 2023 11:30am
  - jonno1
    
    As a junior I took the view that my job was to make my bosses look good, IOW I worked my little heart out for them. As I progressed through the ranks I changed gears to smoothing the pathway for my own staff, ie running interference for them, having discovered the perils of bureaucracy. I wouldn’t change that strategy today.
    
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    June 29, 2023 11:10am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    So Guy got his 15 minute video cancelled that spoke of the old news that mRNA is very unstable. https://www.pasteur.fr/en/home/research-journal/news/discovery-messenger-rna-1961
    
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    June 29, 2023 11:13am
- Lee C
  
  You mean.. the political classes weaponised mass hysteria in order to push their own narrow, anti-democratic agendas, Bridgenag?
  
  I’m shocked.
  
  Shocked, I tell you.
  
  Thank God not everyone was taken in by it.
  
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  June 29, 2023 12:19pm
- Bullion
  
  That’s such bs. Stats on years of life lost show this.
  
  And 1 in 200o die from covid vaccine is nuts, that would be well over 6000 deaths from the vaccine in NZ.
  
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  June 29, 2023 12:41pm
  - GJM
    
    Maybe they measured it the same way they did with covid deaths. You know, they died with the vaccine andnot of it, but it still counts as a jab death.
    Had jab, died of anything, must be a jab death
    
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    June 29, 2023 2:24pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Here is Denis Rancourt’s web page with his videos listed (on several different platforms):
  https://denisrancourt.ca/page.php?id=12&name=videos
  
  Also Denis Rancourt’s Odysee (Video Platform) page:
  https://odysee.com/@DenisRancourt:e?view=content
  
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  June 29, 2023 1:14pm
Matt Long

When a pre Climate Alarmism storm hit the Esk Valley in 1938, dust storms the next summer hit.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/the-1939-esk-valley-dust-storm-when-gales-blew-15m-of-silt-away-darkening-the-sky/NJYZMSZUUZCUDFE22TO5VLGL64/
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June 29, 2023 8:03am
- BananaLlama
  
  The Earth has been heating up since the Ice Age and i doubt it was from Wooly Mammoth driving SUV.
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:07am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Woolly mammoth and dinosaur farts
    
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    June 29, 2023 8:42am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Psst. Around 4000 to 8000 years ago it was warmer than today and sea levels were much higher than now. The “tipping point” fairies apparently were asleep at that time. The world didn’t implode. Quite the opposite.
    
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    June 29, 2023 2:39pm
- Matt Long
  
  The continued wet weather, and resulting animal welfare, animal health and pasture destruction are causing concerns to ring in Northland, a Farmsource rep I talked to says he doesn’t talk about the weather to customers any more, he can see the stress in their faces. It has been a continuous stressful 14 months with no let up in the pressure.
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:08am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Should be some let up Matt in the coming 12 months, Unfortunately going straight into El Nino mode with no transition period.
    Be looking at periods of Dry spells for next few years.
    
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    June 29, 2023 8:58am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  The climate is changing more rapidly than in the past. There’s very little we can do about that with regulations and taxes. Humans will adapt as they always have. But there will be considerable work needed to adapt to living on a warmer planet, and getting that work done will not be helped by people insisting there is nothing wrong.
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:44am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    How much more rapidly is the climate is changing? No one knows what temperature the world will be in 2050, even Shaw or Luxon.
    
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    June 29, 2023 9:16am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      If NZ’s climate is demonstrably changing, why are NIWA falsifying records by removing past weather events and doctoring temperature records?
      
      https://www.thedailyexaminer.co.nz/climate-of-fear-niwas-missing-storm-data-its-impact-on-extreme-climate-claims/
      
      https://theoutdoorphonestore.com/175622/niwa-temperature-records-found-to-be-false-spot-audit/
      
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      June 29, 2023 9:36am
      - Master Mariner
        
        Unfortunately for the same reason as NOAA and BOM , Got to keep the Climate fear going //
        
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        June 29, 2023 11:03am
      - surfing
        
        I call BS on that rubbish. Conspiracy whackos just making stuff up as usual.
        
        You go ahead and prove there was a greater than Bola strength storm every year between 1868 and 1890. There would be records outside Niwa, as these things have such a massive impact.
        
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        June 29, 2023 11:38am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Surfing I call BS on that rubbish. Low resolution thinking virtue signallers just following low integrity tribal group think.
        
        You realise there was climate before the 1800s and there are a great number of proxy records telling us what happened?
        
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        June 29, 2023 1:18pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Surfing, I’m not sure who your vitriol is aimed at.
        
        If it is me, congratulation on being the first person in over half a century to call me a conspiracy theorist.
        
        AGAIN, IF I am the target of your ire, maybe reading the article in the link (which provides measures and sources) will lead you to a more objective and reasonable contusion and comment.
        
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        June 29, 2023 1:25pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Opps, hit Report on Surfing instead of reply.
        
        In answer to his question, Ian Wishart noted that there is lots of evidence around weather ‘extreme events’ at the close of the 19th century, as by that time there were barometer readings, but NIWA chose to take no note of earlier records.
        I am no expert in this of course, but his sampling (and it was only partial) showed plenty of evidence to put the ‘once in a hundred year’ events that happen all the time now in to a ‘with a grain of salt’ as far as headlines.
        I don’t think anyone know the truth, as they just twist it to fit a pre-existing agenda around the science (alarmist of denialist), or even just a puerile interest in clicks and fear porn for the MSM.
        
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        June 29, 2023 2:01pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        The western world has also had written history for about 5000 or so years. Plenty of quite detailed accounts of “mega” weather events prior to the current mass hysteria.
        
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        June 29, 2023 2:44pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Of course the world won’t be at any temperature in 2050 or at any other time. Temperature distribution will continue to be in a very wide range, depending on where you are on the planet.
      
      As Billy Connolly said, there’s no such thing as bad weather, just inappropriate clothing.
      
      It’s staggering the people who still fall for this made-up “climate emergency” BS. Some of them seem to be otherwise intelligent, but have clearly fallen for the Chicken Licken scenario.
      
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      June 29, 2023 10:18am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        “Some of them seem to be otherwise intelligent, but have clearly fallen for the Chicken Licken scenario”
        
        It is like a religion to them. You would have as much chance of convincing Shaw there is not a climate emergency as the Pope to support abortion.
        
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        June 29, 2023 10:28am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Also, the Planet will adapt as it always has.
    Nothing humans can do will end the World, even nuclear.
    The planet heals itself and will still be here after humans have gone.
    
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    June 29, 2023 9:17am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      However, in a few billion years the sun will expand and that will be the end of the earth.
      
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      June 29, 2023 9:37am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Send me a video. 🙂
        
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        June 29, 2023 11:05am
    - Inandout
      
      SO, yet if you follow the climate carbon money there are some people making billions out of our complicity.
      
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      June 29, 2023 10:18am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Nailed it inandout.
        
        The hysteria started with Al Gore who made a fortune promoting unfounded climate alarmism.
        
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        June 29, 2023 1:28pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Don’t forget his buddy James (Of The Failed Predictions) Hansen.
        
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        June 29, 2023 2:12pm
  - leoj
    
    1.5C in 100 years?
    
    Give me a break.
    
    It’s all clap trap promoted by fear-mongering scientists whose salaries are paid for with your tax dollars.
    
    University professors are nothing special. In fact, they do more damage than good with their leftist, out-of-touch-with-the-real-world views.
    
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    June 29, 2023 10:59am
    - rockape
      
      I think it’s just as likely to be cooler than 1.5 degrees warmer. But I won’t be around to know.
      
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      June 29, 2023 11:37am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      This is just a small sample of the overwhelming evidence that the climate we experience now is NOT AT ALL unprecedented.
      
      New Study: Sea Of Japan 3-6°C Warmer, Sea Levels 2-3 Meters Higher 8000-5000 Years Ago
      https://notrickszone.com/2022/03/21/new-study-sea-of-japan-3-6c-warmer-sea-levels-2-3-meters-higher-8000-5000-years-ago/
      
      19 Papers Published In 2019 Affirm Sea Levels Were METERS Higher Than Today 4-8 Thousand Years Ago
      https://notrickszone.com/2020/01/16/19-papers-published-in-2019-affirm-sea-levels-were-meters-higher-than-today-4-8-thousand-years-ago/
      
      New Scientific Evidence Robustly Affirms Scandinavian Temperatures Were 3-4°C Warmer 9000 Years Ago
      https://notrickszone.com/2018/05/31/new-scientific-findings-affirm-temperatures-were-3-4c-warmer-9000-years-ago/
      
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      June 29, 2023 2:52pm
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      But Jacinda said it is our nuclear free moment and you guys voted for her….
      
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      June 29, 2023 6:26pm
  - JohnRidd
    
    Hello Nigel.
    
    You said “The climate is changing more rapidly than in the past.”
    
    I am sorry but that statement is false.
    
    Neither the temperatures being observed nor the rate of warming are at all unusual.
    
    In the first IPCC report they said
    “The size of the warming over the last century is broadly consistent with the predictions ol climate models but is also of the same magnitude as natural climate variability”
    ( IPCC FAR WG1 page xxix)
    
    If you want to see a really high rate of temperature change, look up the Younger Dryas.
    
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    June 29, 2023 4:58pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      From Britannica: Younger Dryas, also called Younger Dryas stadial, cool period between roughly 12,900 and 11,600 years ago that disrupted the prevailing warming trend.
      
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      June 29, 2023 6:20pm
      - JohnRidd
        
        The important thing about this is the rate of change.
        
        Just as the world was warming up at the end of the last interglacial, there was a dramatic drop in temperature, followed by warming.
        
        The rates of cooling and warming were much larger than the current small warming.
        
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        June 29, 2023 7:43pm
      - JohnRidd
        
        Oops. I said interglacial when I should have said glaciation.
        
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        June 29, 2023 8:16pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  15Meters in the link, but 1.5 meters in the news item.
  There is that roving decimal point again. Very confusing for the left. A rightie picks up that mistake right away.
  1.5M of silt yes. But 15M? That is 49 feet!
  
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  June 29, 2023 9:13am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Not a roving decimal point Steve, it’s simply that the syntax of hyperlinks can’t deal with them. It treats anything up to the decimal point and anything after it as separate elements, and the link won;t work, so it simply removes them.
    
    Similar to how hyperlinks that have words with macrons in them leave out those letters, so “Māori” shows as “Mori”.
    
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    June 29, 2023 10:23am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Got it.
      
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      June 29, 2023 11:06am
- I remember when
  
  I used to watch the soil of Pakowhai disappear towards the East every October.
  
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  June 29, 2023 9:48am
  - rockape
    
    The village of Culbin in Scotland got completely buried in a couple nights. That was I think in 1694 and near my home in Elgin Scotland. Bet they didn’t blame it on Global warming. Edit sp
    
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    June 29, 2023 11:43am
- Liberty
  
  It has taken the Labour Government little helper the wok media. 3 months to inform us. Floods in the Esk Valley are an Act of God.
  Instead, the little people have been subjected to 3 months of State-sanctioned propaganda.
  Promoting its mythical man-made global warming agenda.
  
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  June 29, 2023 1:10pm
Bridgenag

indoctrination, reputation, and evolution
how the rise of the reputation economy will destroy the university system as we know it

https://open.substack.com/pub/boriquagato/p/indoctrination-reputation-and-evolution?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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June 29, 2023 8:03am
- mawm
  
  Here’s an inspirational talk on woke’ism in schools that you might enjoy. (20 min)
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MYOH2Gs5TQ
  
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  June 29, 2023 2:12pm
Maggie Pie

Dozens of tweets this morning saying it was a ‘lovers tiff’
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June 29, 2023 8:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Teens.
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:04am
- softail 1450
  
  MP, its been building since the inadvisable speech given by the out of touch kiri Allen at her Husbands going away party, She has been ordered back to parliament by the party to stop the damage that would be caused by her continued absence from the place.
  It appears that unlike Bidens workplace being the 1st black lesbian member of parliament from the East coast offers no protection from the media in our country.
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:38am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    She’s had plenty of protection from the MSM in this country. The cold hard reality is that now the poo is out of the donkey and can’t be put back. even the MSM can’t ignore it,
    
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    June 29, 2023 10:25am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Lodden bro – wait until the MSM pins it on Luxon somehow.
      
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      June 29, 2023 6:28pm
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Yup, Im hearing “scorned” and “retaliation” quite a bit.
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I am hearing a bitch fight by children.
    Not necessary – do some bloody work!
    
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    June 29, 2023 9:21am
- Ruahine
  
  Lifes a Bitch or is that Butch.
  
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  June 29, 2023 9:20am
- Loddenthinks
  
  From her statement this morning, confirming that she and Dunlop had split less than a year after becoming engaged:
  
  “Dunlop and Allan got engaged in September last year. Dunlop was the Midday Report presenter at RNZ, but left in March.
  
  At her farewell event, Allan had criticised RNZ for its treatment of Māori staff and ability to retain its top talent – comments that later became public, and led to an apology from Allan and acknowledgement that it could have been perceived as an attempt to tell the broadcaster how to operate.”
  
  Seems like our Kiri has a bit of trouble retaining talent too – in the office as well as the bedroom *.
  
  * Wouldn’t normally comment on MPs relationships, but Allan inserted her partner into the discussion when criticising RNZ.
  
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  June 29, 2023 1:34pm
- kisekiman
  
  The outpouring of aroha in response to her FB post is truly vomit inducing. These people vote.
  
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  June 29, 2023 2:45pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Yes I noticed a very weird, woke and bitchy lot on twitter congratulating the Balclutha Mayor for his unprofessional and spiteful approach to Julian Bachelor of Stop Co-Governance. These people live in their own little world of self reinforcing make-believe. In my personal experience a lot of these people are in fields not particularly related to the real world .
    
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    June 29, 2023 3:26pm
Vercingetorix

More gaslighting.

“Allan has defended herself and her office saying that she works hard and expects her staff and public servants to work hard in order to best serve the New Zealand public.“

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132441965/chris-hipkins-tries-to-sell-nz-but-must-now-keep-an-eye-on-the-kiri-allan-situation

Any public servant seconded to work in a Ministerial office will do so knowing that it will be a testing environment. She is inferring that the people complaining are lazy.

Public servants seconded to Ministerial offices are generally competent and ambitious. The Chief Executive is not going to send over a dud.
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June 29, 2023 8:06am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Agree, they are the ones looking for extra work and experience……
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:10am
- kowtow
  
  They often make this claim that they “work hard” .
  You see you mustn’t criticise people who work hard .
  
  It’s also childish . They have huge power , prestige and pay , and they are now part of the Elite Blob Swamp which opens up even more opportunidies to them , not there for us ordinary folk.
  
  These people are truly priveliged and as they are wont to proclaim work hard for us ;
  
  Therefore Plebs, be silent .
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:15am
  - Swifty
    
    I’m not too concerned with how hard they work, I’d just settle for effective.
    
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    June 29, 2023 8:35am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Well, it’s typical labour, she is trying to blame them and throw them under the bus
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:44am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  I don’t know anything about the Kiri Allan situation but I can almost guarantee that when National takes over, there will be at least one Minister whose staff complain they are excessively demanding and imply they are a bully.
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:48am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Whataboutism is a notoriously weak argument, but whataboutism that hasn’t even happened yet is getting pretty desperate.
    
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    June 29, 2023 1:31pm
- Scooter
  
  KA sounded ok on HDPA show 26 June, is she playing the mental health card now, hoping to be let off any hard questions? The whole lot of Labour are donkey deep in lack of moral fiber, honesty and transparency.
  
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  June 29, 2023 9:03am
  - Ghost
    
    Sounded OK doesn’t mean she wasn’t having mental health issues.
    
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    June 29, 2023 9:06am
    - Scooter
      
      If she’s having mental health issues what is she doing being in charge of ministerial portfolios? If it really is true she should be stood down and not just have 3 or 4 days off.
      
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      June 29, 2023 9:14am
      - Ghost
        
        Plenty of people work and even run companies while having mental health problems.
        
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        June 29, 2023 9:19am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        If I had a mental health issue, I would not be fit to work in an engineering workshop. 135 ton pressbrake, guillotine cutting 2.5M x 5mm thick, welders, gas axes, forklifts x 2. Then dealing with the customers has to be done the right way.
        It is a dangerous place, so you need your wits about you.
        
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        June 29, 2023 9:28am
      - Ghost
        
        Rubbish Steve, don’t think you realise how many people work while having mental health issues and getting treatment. Some of you seem to have Stone Age beliefs on mental health and those who have mental health issues.
        
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        June 29, 2023 10:57am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Ghost.
        50 years at the same Company has taught me a lot. I know this stuff.
        Yes, we have had mentally ill people there. I remember one guy making himself a
        set of steel ninja stars. He was dismissed.
        
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        June 29, 2023 11:13am
      - Matt Long
        
        It depends on how widely you cast the mental health net Ghost.
        If you legitimately describe socialism as a mental health problem rather than a simple cognitive error, then there’s a lot of people in government with mental health issues.
        
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        June 29, 2023 11:21am
      - Groggy
        
        @ Ghost, stone age beliefs about a lot of things in this forum. Doubt there are any posters under 50, and the only solutions are to look backwards.
        
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        June 29, 2023 11:59am
      - Master Mariner
        
        Yep, Really need to Pychometric Test the bloody lot before entering Parliment, Sort this nonsense out once and for all.
        
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        June 29, 2023 12:22pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Groggy, there are definitely posters here under 50 😉
        
        Ghost, we all need to be aware of mental health, and support people, and not just say ‘take a concrete pill’ ; on the other hand, for politicians and public figures it is a good way to escape scrutiny when they have fucked up and the pressure comes specifically from their own actions.
        
        So, yes, what you say is true – but when it is a self diagnosis and announcement to the press it is also akin to squirting a cloud of squid ink.
        
        If Kiri was to check herself into a facility or be known to be seeking proffesional help, then I would agree 100% without qualification.
        If she is retreating home to light scented candles, not answering the phone, and more akin to ‘mental health days’ like I take from work, not so much.
        
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        June 29, 2023 2:21pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        I guess it all depends how in control (or not) one is of their own faculties, and, what is at stake.
        
        Possibly why we don’t see HR departments reaching out to people with Schizophrenia to get them into pilot training and the like.
        
        Yes, we should be fair and compassionate, but not to the point of stupidity.
        
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        June 29, 2023 3:31pm
      - than
        
        Groggy, I’m in my early 30s, and I know many my age who think the same way as me.
        
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        June 29, 2023 6:55pm
- I remember when
  
  If they can legislate to make the rest of the population do whatever they want –
  why shouldn’t their staff.
  
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  June 29, 2023 9:56am
- Vercingetorix
  
  She is doubling down this morning. She said that no allegations have been put to her. That is because in those situations public servants are powerless.
  
  Public servants in Ministers offices will bight their tongue at the odd blow up. For this to even become public things will be dire.
  
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  June 29, 2023 10:56am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    Yup, statement from her and her boss are that there has been nothing “formal”.
    
    Of course there hasn’t. Like other obnoxious ministers (and TBF&H) and ministry staff, unless its handbags at dawn its all just kept under the radar. Ask around Wellington if you know the right people and they will soon enough let you know which of the CE’s is a right bell end as well. Ministers all have reputations, on all sides, some great, some…less so.
    
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    June 29, 2023 12:30pm
- yossarian
  
  It always amuses me that the “workers party” treat their staff so badly.
  
  At least she didn’t assualt her staff like Meka, but then again, we may never know.
  
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  June 29, 2023 11:03am
  - kowtow
    
    The workers have always just been the means to an end.
    
    And funny how often these self professed “leaders” of workers revolutions/ movements are often the dregs and dross of the lower middle classes.
    
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    June 29, 2023 11:15am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      I have heard before – Labour used to be the BEST of the WORKING CLASS, but now is the WORST of the MIDDLE CLASS.
      
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      June 29, 2023 2:23pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Do these people not go through a battery of online courses on how avoid bullying people, before unleashing themselves on their underlings?
  These days if you work in the corporate world you certainly do.
  
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  June 29, 2023 6:25pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

More lazy reporting from Newshub.

‘drink driving deaths have doubled over the last 10 years’

Dig into the facts:

* The numbers talk about road deaths involving alcohol. No mention of other factors such as unsafe car or roads, drugs, age or licence status of driver, or stupidity.
* No acknowledgment that the drink drive limit was slashed in 2014.
* No per capita or vehicle volume analysis ie number of cars on the road.

The usual suspects will use this story to push their barrow.

There may be a kernel of truth in there somewhere, but this story ain’t it.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/06/automobile-association-calls-for-more-alcohol-checkpoints-after-drink-driving-deaths-double-over-last-10-years.html
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June 29, 2023 8:06am
- kowtow
  
  Lazy or just plain shit.
  
  Here’s another ;
  
  ‘The cheapest butter at The Warehouse is 500 grams of Meadowlea margarine spread for $3.30.’
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2023/06/cost-of-living-newshub-test-reveals-which-major-supermarket-has-the-cheapest-groceries.html
  
  Anyone else think it’s highly culturally insensitive and offensive in a country such as NZ to be so insulting to a dairy product .
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:35am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    kowtow, it would have been written by a 20 year old and edited by someone whose knuckles drag on the ground when they walk. You can’t expect anything else from these clowns.
    
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    June 29, 2023 10:02am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Come on kowtow, everyone knows that cow farts are turning the planet into a sauna, and dairy products are evil //
    
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    June 29, 2023 10:30am
    - Ehlana
      
      Is cow gas worse than bison gas? Just curious, because before humans came along, huge herds of bison, for example, roamed across ancient grasslands and woodlands, belching and blowing off as they pleased. So, were their gases less damaging?
      
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      June 29, 2023 1:55pm
      - greybeard
        
        Not to mention dinosaurs doing the same for tens of millions of years.
        
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        June 29, 2023 2:35pm
      - Matt Long
        
        The far sighted 19th century government of the US Of A decreed that the buffalo/bison were to be exterminated to stop GG emissions, which had the additional political effect of subjugating the Native Plainsman.
        Now it’s domestic cattle that are to be exterminated to prevent GG emissions, I wonder what the additional political effects are to be this time?
        
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        June 29, 2023 2:42pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Methane production by bison herds on the Great Plains is calculated to be in the same range as the current CH4 production by cattle on the Gret Plains.
        
        https://www.researchgate.net/publication/248350887_Methane_emissions_from_bison-An_historic_herd_estimate_for_the_North_American_Great_Plains#
        
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        June 29, 2023 6:52pm
- G152
  
  Drink seems to be the current bogeyman.
  A look over there while the government cock up yet again
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:44am
  - kowtow
    
    Ah yes the Modern Puritans , attacking a quiet tipple , an important part of our culture going back millenia .
    They really are the Iconoclasts who want to destroy all and rebuild in their own woke image.
    
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    June 29, 2023 9:00am
  - softail 1450
    
    G152, It makes you wonder if one of the genius labour ministers has come up with the idea of introducing a civilian run booze bus business as I’ve not seen a booze bus stop for years .
    Of course true to form there’ll be no advertising for people interested in quoting for the service itll be just given to one of Hipkins ,Robbos or Kiris mates to set up and run.
    
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    June 29, 2023 9:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Started yesterday with a news item report about an Otago Uni study showing alcohol is worse than Meth!
    Straight out bullshit imo.
    
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    June 29, 2023 9:32am
    - I remember when
      
      Did they also prove it was more likely to contain impurities.
      
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      June 29, 2023 10:01am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Meth or alcohol?
        
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        June 29, 2023 11:20am
    - Groggy
      
      Yes, the reason probably because it (the Otago study) was based on in depth analysis of UK data, and they simply don’t have the meth epidemic that we do. Far more social harm happening in NZ due to meth than in the UK.
      
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      June 29, 2023 12:03pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        So they did not do a study, they repeated a study.
        
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        June 29, 2023 12:47pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Not “stigmatising” meth users seems to be woke thing of the last 10 or so years.
      
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      June 29, 2023 3:56pm
  - sirknz
    
    There is nobody more dangerous to society than the temperance movement. Like the road to zero and climate zero zealots, they will just push problems under ground.
    
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    June 29, 2023 12:05pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Hello Mafia/Gangs/thriving black markets!
      
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      June 29, 2023 3:58pm
- Ruahine
  
  Another gaslighting piece of rubbish. Those nasty exploiting Companies making booze. Meanwhile no testing for Cannabis or Meth.
  
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  June 29, 2023 9:00am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    If you recall, the government trumpeted the introduction of a new law involving a saliva test for cannabis and other drugs that could detect impairment, and would be available from March 2023.
    
    Small but significant problem – the technology doesn’t exist. Cue another embarrassing climb-down and further evidence of this useless government pissing up our taxpayer dollars against the wall.
    
    The Minister is David Parker, and the Associate Minister Kiri Allan, in case you were wondering.
    
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    June 29, 2023 10:38am
    - mawm
      
      That’s not true. Multipanel drug testing of saliva can detect amphetamines incl meth, barbiturates, benzodiazepines, opioids, cannabis (THC), phencyclidine (PCP) and alcohol and are used by some police forces for roadside testing. These test are not as accurate as laboratory testing.
      
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      June 29, 2023 2:30pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Aus has had roadside quick tongue-scrape tests for meth and cannabis for quite some time. If you test positive you then get carted off to a machine for more precise testing.
      Usually it’s a weekend (not always though) drug bus roadblock, or they’ve spotted a driver being an obvious dick on the road.
      
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      June 29, 2023 4:06pm
- Simon
  
  They can get good results if they police the areas of high Maori numbers instead of other areas.
  
  Maori over represented in road deaths and injury. Target Maori and bring down the road toll. Its an easy win. Low hanging fruit. Unless they target Maori they are not serious.
  
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  June 29, 2023 9:02am
  - sirknz
    
    Dats raycis…
    
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    June 29, 2023 12:06pm
- Simon
  
  Waka Kotahi Māori senior manager Nicholas Manukau said the report was phase one of a body of work and was part of the Road to Zero strategy.
  
  “Sadly, the research completed for the first phase of He Pūrongo confirms that Māori are over-represented in serious road crashes, experiencing higher rates of death and serious injuries than the general population.”
  
  “Particular areas of concern highlighted by the report include the over-representation in fatal and serious injury crashes of young Māori men, under-licensed driving, non-use of seatbelts and child restraints, and driving while impaired.”
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/446900/maori-increasingly-over-represented-in-road-crash-deaths-and-injury
  
  Target Maori for policing. They need help.
  
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  June 29, 2023 9:06am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Since Maori driving is cultural appropriation, it would be a good idea to make sure every “Maori” attends the requisite courses on driving, it’s importance in our culture and how to do it properly. Of course there will be koha expected for letting “Maori” use vehicles.
    
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    June 29, 2023 10:05am
  - I remember when
    
    The ‘Road to Zero’, regardless of the objective, guarantees a zero chance of success.
    
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    June 29, 2023 10:08am
  - Opie
    
    Reduce speed limits for maoris only. It’s racist to let them keep speeding
    
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    June 29, 2023 12:06pm
- Nickc2
  
  NEWS FLASH
  The road toll as a result of drink driving has doubled!
  Yesterday, one person died as a result of ……..
  Today, two people died as a result of ……..
  Selective use of statistics to achieve what?
  Why did the authorities go back to 2013 in order to state the road toll had doubled as a result of drink driving?
  PS: Yesterday, alcohol was declared the most dangerous drug in the world.
  Has there been a resurgence in the Temperance movement in NZ, or have faux statistics been used to justify the increase in excise on alcohol this year?
  
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  June 29, 2023 9:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The amount of alcohol intake has increased, well it has in this house.
    Retired and awaiting surgeries. I can’t even go out and enjoy boating atm. I won’t risk getting hurt and being at the will of the ocean. Then the amount of shit we have endured the last 5 1/2 years.
    No wonder I drink! 🙂
    
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    June 29, 2023 11:28am
  - sirknz
    
    The Temperance Movement have not gone away. They are still active today.
    
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    June 29, 2023 12:08pm
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/300916329/all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-defends-sam-cane-for-postfinal-no-show
“Foster reiterated it was McMillan’s call to not let Cane or Weber join him for the post-game interview.
“Clayton made a decision to go in by himself,” Foster added. “So can’t really see what the issue is with it.”

What the issue with it is that these men are supposed to be big boy professional rugby players. They are paid huge money to play. It is their job. And it is the public and the sponsors who pay them.
The Chiefs seem to be a team that is ruled by emotion and “it’s not fair” excuses – their players and immature supporters in the stands more special than any others. If they want to get paid to play, then they should be able to front no matter what the circumstances.
Have a cry together in the changing shed by all means – but Mr McMillan’s call to protect the Chiefs co-captains from having to face a few questions was pathetic and unbecoming to the game.
Will Cane be able to talk if the AB’s get beaten at the World Cup? Or will Mr Foster do the loser speech?
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June 29, 2023 8:08am
- Cinematic
  
  Depends if the loss is off the back of another absurdly one sided game determining refereeing display I guess.
  
  Best they stay in the shed than bag the ref or be forced to pretend a refs performance is acceptable.
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:31am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Which game or games are you referring to as being determined by the referee Cinematic?
    
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    June 29, 2023 8:38am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Go listen to Nigel Yeldon pod on spotify…. Hardly a Crusaders fan and breaks it down well.
    
    The Chiefs lost through ill discipline and a misfiring lineout… The refs impact was minimal. Not in the Steve Walsh Jr category… Not even close!
    
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    June 29, 2023 8:52am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Steve is a great bloke and was a bloody fine referee. Though Wellingtonians had a sook about him for penalising them off the park for constant infringements.
      
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      June 29, 2023 10:06am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        Yeah nah – the bouncers got ping relentless in that shield match, McCaw did the same things and play was waved on.
        
        Walsh Jr dished that treatment to Wellington and Canes for a number of years. he maybe a good guy, but he was constantly biased against teams from the Capital…
        
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        June 29, 2023 11:57am
    - Colville
      
      The Ref just pulled the Chiefs up for what they had been getting away with all season.
      They were told then warned then carded.
      
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      June 29, 2023 10:08am
    - RoboRob
      
      I’m a Crusaders fan and was stunned that a red card was not awarded for Lenard Browns high ‘tackle’. This one judging error made a massive difference to the game. The Crusaders lost one of their better players to injury and the Chiefs got to keep one of theirs on the field.
      
      When the game finished I said to other, equally angry Crusaders fans, just wait for the Chiefs supporters to blame the ref on their loss. ‘3 yellow cards’ ‘refed out of the game’ etc.
      
      Low and behold I was right.
      
      The issue that seems rampant with ALL NZ rugby (and probably other sports) fans is that when an outcome doesn’t go as we hope we look for someone to blame. In Rugby its often the referee.
      Yes the ref missed a forward pass from the Crusaders, they probably miss at least one a game. Yes the ref missed the call on the red card. Sometimes mistakes are made. If you look at the infringements from the Chiefs in their 22, they were damned lucky to get away with giving away penalties for as long as they did. If you were being honest.
      Sometimes referees are ‘bad’, the strength of a good team is playing to the ref. If the ref isn’t picking up offsides then start playing off side. NZ rugby fans need to grow up. Sometimes your team looses, if they loose it’s the players, captain and management to blame. Not the ref.
      
      I think the Ref in this game did pretty well.
      
      p.s.
      To all the Rugby rans who think the Crusaders get the rub of the ball from the referee, please understand that here in Crusaders land we think the referees (and commentary teams, I’m looking at you Justin Marshal) are biased against the Crusaders. It’s all a matter of perspective. Remember when Ritchie Mcaw used to get pinged all the time for the Crusaders and that refs would announce before the game they were going to pay special attention to certain areas of the game. We do 😊
      
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      June 29, 2023 10:11am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        Agree with everything up to the PS!
        
        Chiefs had the quality to win that match. Weather a storm in the first 15 to stay in the game then lead soon after…
        
        But they just could stop their own season long pattern of extras in the tackle/ruck – arm left in, coming in on the angle and up the side…. Crusaders obviously raised it to the referee before the game and he looked, saw the illegality and pinged it. Chiefs should have adjusted and trusted their D… could have won the game by adapting.
        
        ALB should have gone – clear red – old school chest to chest tackle which almost guarantees head to head contact. Do that at the RWC straight red every time
        
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        June 29, 2023 12:00pm
      - Si334
        
        OK, a Blues fan from Auckland here – and I agree with most of what you said.
        I would just add two things – I agree the head clash was a probable Red, but I dont agree with the rule generally (it was accidental) and would hate to see the final decided that way after 20 mins. So I was OK with the Yellow and the TMO review.
        Secondly, yes the Forward Pass was an obvious miss, but the Ref got no help from the Linesman,
        and it happened right in front of one of them.
        
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        June 29, 2023 12:10pm
      - Opie
        
        The real issue here is that you can get sent off for an accidental head clash.
        
        Be it yellow or red, the effect of this on a game is massive and effectively ruins the contest.
        
        The world cup will be decided by an accidental contact in full contact sport, ruining the contest for the millions interested.
        
        Keep going the way you are and it will be ripper rugby only.
        
        Don’t worry, you can make up for it by having goal line drop outs and 50/22’s in an effort to make it more entertaining like league.
        
        Take a leaf out of leagues rule book. Accidental headclash, play on. Shoulder to head – 10 minutes and on report.
        
        It has become unwatchable.
        
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        June 29, 2023 12:11pm
      - Colville
        
        Opie.
        With the likes of Hayman talking about the concussion issue (and good on him) the head is going to become a total no go area.
        
        Tricky tho as a mountain of a man I know says as a prop your head is your weapon, your lever. Its how you get in and do the damage in the rucks.
        
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        June 29, 2023 12:50pm
  - gravedodger
    
    If that comment Cinematic, is a snide continuation of the unprincipled garbage being dished to BO’K as commentary on his performance on Saturday Night
    it is unwarranted.
    I consider Ben O’K did a superb job, The Chiefs were their own enemy, talk about entitilitus, they defeated themselves and Cane should be relieved of the captaincy of the ABs yesterday, three words; Ineffective, Inappropriate, and Infantile.
    Scott Barratt instead.
    
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    June 29, 2023 9:00am
    - RoboRob
      
      Anyone but Cane !
      
      Cane should have been gone last year. No leadership skills. Sounds a bit like Foster now that I say it.
      
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      June 29, 2023 10:14am
    - Cinematic
      
      I’ve watched every super Rugby final since Super Rugby was a thing. I can recall only one other where the ref was the news post match, as in this case. Generally speaking well reffed games don’t result in ongoing discussions about the ref no?
      
      I do believe that refs need their wings clipped in terms of yellow card use. That’s a matter for SANZAR. I agree the ALB card had to be red. BTW I’m no Chiefs.
      
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      June 29, 2023 11:56am
- Colville
  
  Its total bullshit.
  Cane was having a sook and didnt front. Pathetic.
  But no surprise that Foster defends his shithouse Captain. Equally bad, losers both of them.
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:31am
  - RoboRob
    
    Cane should not be ABs captain. It was a mistake and one the Foster refuses to step back from. Hes an ok player but not captain material, there is ZERO leadership.
    
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    June 29, 2023 10:12am
    - Cinematic
      
      He’s not in the top 6 best loosies in NZ IMO and his selection forces Savea to 8. Savea is too small at 8 so they are forced to select Barrett at 6, who’s too slow.
      
      Canes selection has a cascade effect that severely weakens the ABs pack. Of course the ABs can get away with this against the second tier nations, not at the pointy end of the WC though. This is Foster’s biggest blind spot, he has a few.
      
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      June 29, 2023 12:03pm
      - Colville
        
        Spot on.
        
        Shades of Ruben “the suitcase” Thorne.
        
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        June 29, 2023 12:56pm
- Observant Octagenarian
  
  Extremely poor sportsmanship by all. McMillan bagged the referees (I don’t need to bag the refs, the crowd have done that already), Cane and Weber cry-babies refusing to front.
  Makes me embarrassed to be an All Blacks supporter.
  I’m sure that Foster stuck his oar in because he realises he has chosen the wrong Sam as captain.
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:44am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Chiefs always blame someone else for their ineptitude. Foster did it, Gatland did it and now McMillan. They seem to think they are entitled to win the comp when they string a few wins in the rounds together. Canterbury know that you have to WIN the final, not just have an entitlement because you’ve played ok before. When did you hear Robertson complain about the ref? Or before him Blackadder? In fact, when asked about the penalty given in the final against McCaw which saw the Crusaders lose, Blackadder said, “the loss had nothing to do with the referee. If we’d played better, we would have won”. Or Deans. How often do you see Crusaders players questioning the ref? They just back up and get on with it when they are penalised.
    
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    June 29, 2023 10:14am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Are you talking about Canterbury, or the Crusaders? Seems typically one-eyed and arrogant to think the Crusaders are only Canterbury players – half of them are imports!
      
      And I haven’t heard McMillan complaining about the refs, or any Chiefs player for that matter. So to answer your question “How often do you see Crusaders players questioning the ref? They just back up and get on with it when they are penalised.”
      
      About as often as the Chiefs do.
      
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      June 29, 2023 1:56pm
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Whatever Lodden, I made no mention of where any player comes from. On that note though, Chiefs are lucky Tom Coventry had good contacts in Christchurch, otherwise Retallick and Lienert-Brown wouldn’t have gone anywhere near Hamilton.
        
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        June 29, 2023 2:17pm
  - James Stephenson
    
    Makes me embarrassed to be an All Blacks supporter.
    
    Lol. Wayne Barnes has entered the chat…
    
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    June 29, 2023 10:52am
- I remember when
  
  In areas such as the NBA players are heavily fined for failing to be available for post-game comment.
  When you are paid large amounts of money to participate in sport, you have an obligation to promote said sport.
  
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  June 29, 2023 10:13am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Conflating the actions of the Chiefs with those of some of their supporters is lazy and wrong. I get that you don’t like Cane as an All Blacks captain and Foster as coach.
  
  I’ll let you go and tell the Chiefs they need to be “big boy professional rugby players” and that they shouldn’t “have a cry in the sheds” and see how you get on. Start with Guzzler, they tell me he’s a big softy.
  
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  June 29, 2023 10:43am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    And “Guzzler” had to be told to STFU by the ref via Cane. After he chipped away at the ref constantly. And I’d imagine you’d get on just fine telling him he’s a big softy and shouldn’t cry in the sheds. He’d probably just laugh and say nothing.
    
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    June 29, 2023 11:43am
Matt Long

Learn Maori to get your sentence reduced.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/whangarei-car-vandal-took-photos-of-young-victims-after-robbing-them/SKOQ5NRQNBDFFG7RPXDNBPHP24/
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June 29, 2023 8:10am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Well, given the state of State advertising we will have too. Advert on TV about sick people staying home…a long drawn out advert that goes nowhere but ends in nothing but Maori leaving one to fill in the gaps…..
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:17am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I thought some of the NZTA ads were rubbish (though the one about “paying the toll” is a very notable exception), but this one about staying home if you’re sick takes the biscuit, the cake and the cherry on top. Execrable.
    
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    June 29, 2023 10:44am
    - Biscuit
      
      Loddenthinks, NO taking the biscuit!
      
      Unless the Biscuit is suitably reccompensed, fed, wined, housed (12 star hotel minimum!)…
      
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      June 29, 2023 11:49am
- Drone
  
  But surely @Matt Long the inclusion of any maori in a sentence makes it much much longer and hard to understand.. //
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:18am
Matt Long

News Zealand’s approach to industry, regulate it out of existence while importing the same products that are cheaper because they are not regulated is economic suicide.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/132295577/petition-to-apply-equal-animal-welfare-standards-to-imported-pork-fails
https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/opinion/300886375/when-regulations-push-farmers-out-of-farming-we-need-a-new-approach
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June 29, 2023 8:14am
- Matt Long
  
  The next plan is to do it with carbon. Cancel New Zealand’s offsets and buy from overseas and export our productive capacity overseas where the governments aren’t quite so stupid.
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/sustainable-future/govt-consults-on-removing-forestry-from-ets
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:17am
  - cmm
    
    The next point should be to get some biologists to explain to the accountants that their methods of counting are wrong.
    
    We’ve all seen bobby calves drinking from those feeders. They are not drinking diesel. Nor are the cows munching coal.
    
    Here we use an ancient technology called agriculture. It works by using photosynthesis to extract carbon from the atmosphere and turn it into food.
    
    Farmers should be paid for harvesting carbon as part of the agricultural process.
    
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    June 29, 2023 8:28am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      And have folks noticed how the C that is pooped out by moo-cows is sequestered into soil organic matter for centuries?
      
      Or is it too difficult for some people to understand a very basic Carbon cycle?
      
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      June 29, 2023 9:01am
      - cmm
        
        Climate science is a branch of that other great science: political science.
        
        If you don’t rabidly agree with the climate science:
        * You won’t get hired by NIWA.
        * Your university project won’t get funded.
        * Your university peers will shun you.
        
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        June 29, 2023 9:53am
  - Grumpy Silver Haired Female
    
    It’s already happening. It’s the only way to achieve carbon zero for NZ in 2 years time!
    
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    June 29, 2023 8:45am
  - I remember when
    
    Another example of failure to think things through.
    While eventually emissions may overwhelm any benefits from planting forestry, it allows us a period of time to study the outcomes from further research.
    Or, is real ‘Net Zero’ only possible if we follow the wishes of the Greens.
    
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    June 29, 2023 10:22am
    - mawm
      
      Apparently it is very difficult to return previously productive farms that have been planted with ‘forestry’ to their original state. I would guess that to try would use a large amount of diesel.
      
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      June 29, 2023 2:37pm
- miltonF
  
  Too right. It’s actually traitorous. Never mind that the end result is that we actually end up consuming more of these cheap imported products than we would have otherwise. Why? Because the offshoring of industry causes our economy to tank. Then the only products we can afford are the cheap nasty imports. It’s a total and complete sell-out.
  
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  June 29, 2023 4:07pm
alex Masterley

Thames water in the UK which supplies London and surrounding countys with water is groaning under a 15Billion pound debt and may default leaving the UK government to bail it out or nationalise.
The Thames Water funding model is the same as is proposed for three/make that ten waters in NZ.
Should we be worried?
Also I see establishment costs for three/ten waters in NZ have shot up. The reportage suggests a cost blow out to 2 billion.
Can some-one please cut the crown credit card as it is maxed out.
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June 29, 2023 8:14am
- Drone
  
  @alex I thought our kapa haka team went to study the Scottish water model.
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:20am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    No, they went to China to China to incorporate communism.
    
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    June 29, 2023 8:46am
- cmm
  
  I’ll bet only one in 5 workers has anything to do with the actual water supply. The majority will be making power points and decorating safe spaces.
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:24am
- Tony Stuart
  
  If you think Three Waters is only going to cost an extra one billion dollars, I have a water treatment plant for sale…
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:32am
  - cmm
    
    It has already blown out $1bn and it hasn’t even started. I am expecting it to cost us at least a few bn a year and provide even less.
    
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    June 29, 2023 9:57am
  - Drone
    
    @Tony – how was multiplying the number of authorities from 4 to 10 going to produce efficiencies of scale and reduce costs. The 10 organisations being established by DIA have refused to share finance and HR systems so each is set up as an independent entity ready to be “sold” off to the nearest Iwi..
    
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    June 29, 2023 7:42pm
greybeard

Australia 339-5.
I’m surprised they didn’t declare.
You know, for the sake of Test Cricket and all that.
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June 29, 2023 8:16am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  And Head smacked them all over the place. Smith looked in top knick as well. It was great to watch! And all of this on a pitch that Australia wouldn’t have made 150 if Richard Hadlee or Malcolm Marshall was bowling at them.
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:43am
- Rusty
  
  @greybeard,
  
  The Aussies want to win the Ashes, they are not interested in playing Baz ball with England.
  
  They are probably laughing that England declared on the first day of the first test which they would never do.
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:43am
  - greybeard
    
    You do realise I was being sarcastic, don’t you ?
    
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    June 29, 2023 9:53am
- Biscuit
  
  greybeard, a similar thing is happening with this year’s Rugby World Cup.
  
  In 2011, France nobly said New Zealand could wear their All Black strip in the Final (even though a draw for colours MIGHT have allowed them to turn up in their very dark blue, forcing us into something else…).
  
  But I read today that it is ‘unlikely’ that New Zealand will be similarly ‘kind’ when the two sides meet in Game One of the 2023 Cup or, as is possible, the Final itself…
  
  A clued-up World Rugby should mandate that the Home side at each tournament gets its colours worn as of right…
  
  If Australia’s First Innings in this Test ends with the last wicket falling at 1353 on Day Five, well, them’s the breaks, heh.
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:54am
Maggie Pie

“Putin is clearly losing the war in Iraq”

– Joe Biden

https://twitter.com/ivan_8848/status/1674062889831858178

😀 😀 😀
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June 29, 2023 8:17am
- All_on_Red
  
  I see Gavin Newsome is Joes new Best Mate.
  Careful Joe, he’s just getting close enough to stab you.
  Warning aside, it does look like Newsome has been chosen. He’s been groomed all his life for it.
  
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  June 29, 2023 10:06am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Newsom is a clown. If any of you have been to LA lately, you will have seen that the place is a shit-hole, and it’s he that has been leading the way. I reckon I saw Snake Plissken wandering around…..
    
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    June 29, 2023 10:21am
  - Inandout
    
    AoR, he grooms himself in front of the mirror, but yes he will fill Joe’s boots because the old guy is clearly gaga. Even the Dem media are asking how long Joe can last.
    
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    June 29, 2023 10:33am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Newsom, the guy that appears to suffer Guillain-Barré syndrome immediately after getting ‘vaccinated’ who cancelling his trip to the climate conference he was to speak, at only to be snapped holidaying in Mexico less than 500m from the only GBS stem-cell treatment facility in Central America (this treatment is banned in USA).
    
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    June 29, 2023 10:38am
    - mawm
      
      kk – hypocrisy is a necessary value to be a lefty, along with lying and corruption.
      
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      June 29, 2023 2:42pm
Warren

You have to say this Labour Government likes spout off its achievements and what will happen so they are doing it again with the Free Trade Agreement that is still to have ratification after four years.
This Labour Government with Minister Damien O’conner talking about the deal and you would think that it’s there plan to do that leading up to the October General Election but it still needs to have ratification to come fruition.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/free-trade-agreement-with-eu-takes-significant-step-towards-ratification/FJAFFD6FBFHP7B6JZUSOB5FYZU/
I realise all trade deals take time but I get sick of Labour Minister’s like O’conner spouting about a trade deals that could be ratified by the next Government.
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June 29, 2023 8:18am
- Gravelroad
  
  Mr O’Connor is the Minister of Agriculture you have when you don’t have agriculture.
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:32am
Biscuit

Lest any of you – even the cuter, younger ladies – be planning on setting up camp outside my place this a.m., let me be brutally honest and tell you that the Lotto ticket I purchased yesterday is apparently worth $33.5 million less than the one some other jammy sod has in his/her/its possession.

The cat is looking suitably disappointed at being presented with the usual ‘ Whiskas Dry Food’ rations and not even a small bowl of fresh cream is improving her mood.
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June 29, 2023 8:20am
- cmm
  
  Lotto: a tax on people who can’t do maths.
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:22am
  - kowtow
    
    There’s one punter out there today who’d beg to differ.
    
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    June 29, 2023 8:40am
    - cmm
      
      And he will be the one who doesn’t understand statistics.
      
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      June 29, 2023 11:21am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        He will be the one who bought his second ticket in his life just because the prize was $33.5M. Bet he never buys another ticket.
        
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        June 29, 2023 11:39am
      - kowtow
        
        Shit, he can hire as many statisticians as he likes now .
        
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        June 29, 2023 12:33pm
  - Biscuit
    
    Oh, I agree, comm.
    
    I checked:
    
    According to the Lotto NZ Annual Report, for every $1 of combined sales for the year, 55 cents went to prizes, 21 cents went to the Lottery Grants Board, 12 cents went to taxes, 6 cents went to operating costs, 6 cents went to retailer commissions.
    
    So, if my Maths can be trusted (and my Maths is usually as reliable as a Labour Government Cabinet Minster!) the actual prize pool before deductions last night would have been $60,909,090…
    
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    June 29, 2023 8:40am
    - cmm
      
      So still better than paying tax!
      
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      June 29, 2023 11:21am
- alwyn.a
  
  You should tell your cat that it has chosen the wrong person as their servant.
  My cat is purring very loudly and greatly enjoying her Beluga caviar for breakfast. Only 50 grams though. She doesn’t want to get fat.
  Bad luck old chap. Sorry I can’t chat longer but I’m off to talk to the Bentley agent.
  
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  June 29, 2023 9:51am
  - Biscuit
    
    Bring your head closer to my foot for my response, alwyn!
    
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    June 29, 2023 11:52am
Master Mariner

The Hidden Costs Of The IEA’s Net Zero Vision

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Hidden-Costs-Of-The-IEAs-Net-Zero-Vision.html

“The Energy Policy Research Foundation, Inc.’s analysis of the IEA’s Net Zero by 2050 roadmap reveals unrealistic assumptions, which could potentially increase energy costs, devastate Western economies, and heighten human suffering.”,
No surprises there ?

And a Critical analysis of Net Zero.
https://assets.realclear.com/files/2023/06/2205_a_critical_assessment_of_the_ieas_net_zero_scenario_esg_and_the_cessation_of_investment_in_new_oil_and_gas_fields.pdf

On another note, The IEA was established to Keep Energy ( Oil and Gas) affordable and in a timely supply, How has it been able to change its mandate is any ones guess. It is now firmly in the Net Zero camp of destruction.
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June 29, 2023 8:21am
cmm

Herald said there has been a billion-dollar blowout for the 3W “mega-bureucracy”.

Is anyone at all surprised by this?

Yup, that seems to be how bureaucracies respond to any change – even change which is supposed to shrink it. Any time there’s a bit of wiggle room it enlarges itself: expands its scope as well as head count.

All our councils have slowly (and sometimes rapidly) grown from providing the boring basics: pipes in the ground, parking meters and fixing potholes to the extended stuff: social engineering functions etc.
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June 29, 2023 8:21am
- Tricati
  
  This should open the door for both Luxon and Seymour to ask some real questions during Question Time.
  There are so many questions that haven’t been answered like ‘what impact will Mana o te Wai Statements have over private property rights’ and when is the government going to consult with the wider public on both 3 waters and he paupau as promised and co-governance in general.
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-confirms-public-consultation-on-m-ori-co-governance-will-happen-in-2022.html
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:55am
- Ohm my
  
  I wonder how much of that is lining MahutaCorp’s pockets?
  
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  June 29, 2023 10:26am
Matt Long

In the interests of transparency, I have decided to confess, a poster brought up that I have been posting under fake names, it quite true and I would like to apologies for any harm or offense I’ve caused to anyone.
In 2008 after the defeat of the Clark government I posted under the name Dorothy,” Ding dong the witch is gone. ”
I hope any witches, socialists or idiots I have offended will forgive me.
Other than that I do not post under pseudonyms.
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June 29, 2023 8:24am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Others here do post under multiple pseudonyms, not mentioning any names.
  
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  June 29, 2023 11:43am
  - Lee C
    
    [Cymbal Splash] Steve
    
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    June 29, 2023 12:36pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Some have a genuine reason, others are downticking trolls.
      
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      June 29, 2023 12:49pm
Suze Wainwright

Surely this govt will never allow aotearoa’s Arts Sector to become a bottomless pit…
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June 29, 2023 8:29am
Gordon Shumway

Universities need a massive bailout because the international students haven’t returned fast enough. The balance of payments is in the toilet because the tourism recovery in NZ isn’t as strong as it’s been elsewhere. Employment shortages remain because Immigration NZ is too slow processing visas in a new and cumbersome regime (and NZ was too slow to focus on being genuinely attractive to immigrants).

I know it’s no longer cool to talk about COVID, but all of these things are a DIRECT RESULT of central government dismissing predictions by industry that these consequences would flow from their COVID policy choices. Tourism groups begged for earlier reopening of borders, but the government told them to “pivot” their businesses towards domestic travellers. Tertiary providers knew they were screwed without the Chinese and came up with schemes to get them back earlier, but these were dismissed on spurious health grounds. Immigration NZ still hasn’t staffed up properly, so there’s a warning on the website saying processing times are longer than expected.

If I hear how “strong” our COVID response was one more time, I might scream.

Against that background, guess what? If you (or an international tourist…) catches COVID, it is still a legal requirement in NZ to isolate in place for 7 days and not use public transport.
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June 29, 2023 8:30am
- kowtow
  
  ‘I know it’s no longer cool to talk about COVID’
  
  The damage they did with lockdowns etc must never be forgotten and indeed never be forgiven.
  
  One reason I have net zero sympathy for the likes of Allan etc taking “mental health” breaks .
  
  By God what they’ve done to us.
  
  And the danger is they’ll do it again.
  
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  June 29, 2023 9:04am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Exactly. The scumbag Hancock at the current inquiry in the UK saying next time we have to lockdown sooner and harder.
    
    If this Hancock doctrine becomes the main lesson the Inquiry and others take from COVID-19, we are doomed.
    
    https://dailysceptic.org/2023/06/27/the-problem-was-we-werent-ready-to-lock-down-hard-enough-fast-enough-matt-hancock-tells-covid-inquiry/
    
    This Orwellian nightmare has a long way to go. For those who are bored and wanting us to stop talking about covid – no. This is a totalitarianism being inflicted on us one step at a time and it isn’t over by a long way.
    
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    June 29, 2023 10:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Covid was used by Labour/Ardern as a political tool – a lever. So when future elections come along in the next 15 + years, remember to use that Covid political tool to remind Labour what they did to New Zealand.
    Labour need to suffer for a long, long time.
    
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    June 29, 2023 11:49am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I live in Auckland and still haven’t forgiven the government for the ‘overly extended’ lock down we suffered. In fact shouldn’t have been locked down at all.
  
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  June 29, 2023 10:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It was a socialist experiment done by a full blown socialist who took the money and ran.
    
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    June 29, 2023 11:51am
- cmm
  
  “Universities need …”
  No they don’t.
  
  The only way to bail out luvvies in universities is to tax others more.
  
  Why should a baker pay more tax, and have their business become more marginal, just to support some irrelevant arts department Marxist wannabees?
  
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  June 29, 2023 12:11pm
Tony Stuart

Does anyone know if Race Relations Commissioner Meng Foon has actually got around to resigning yet? He had, then he hadn’t, then it all went quiet and now his boss has been off work, although she’s back today.
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June 29, 2023 8:30am
Close Hen Counters

I wonder if middlemore and north shore hospitals are going to remove the numerous pieces of James Wallace’s art works from their hospital walls? The art itself is stunning – beats staring at Spanish cream walls
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June 29, 2023 8:32am
- lifesgood
  
  It’s not the artists fault the buyer is a scumbag.
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:39am
  - dubya
    
    Yep, nice to keep it up, how many of those artists had to fend off his advances?
    
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    June 29, 2023 9:59am
Matt Long

The launch of the It’s Not All About Me Party and the Democracy NZ implosion has lead me to the conclusion that there’s not much hope of any new minor party entering parliament, New Conservative appears to accept this by pushing the idea that major parties have adopted their policies in some cases.
I’m thinking that support for the Taxpayers Union and Free Speech Union will be most important, no matter which party gets into parliament this year.
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June 29, 2023 8:33am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  No new party was ever going to make it into parliament, that will not happen in the foreseeable future, the only way a new party could be formed is if one of the major parties has a splinter party form which is possible eith this woeful Labour Party.
  
  Now tell me a vote for a small party is not wasted, all it will do is split the right enough to hand Labour greens TPM a narrow win
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:52am
  - Matt Long
    
    Labour MPs lack the ability to run one party successfully, let alone start a splinter party.
    As to your other point, I’m contemplating swallowing a plate of cold vomit.
    
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    June 29, 2023 9:12am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Some of these Māori may well splinter off, they think they know everything
      
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      June 29, 2023 11:29am
  - Joely Doe
    
    I don’t know about that
    
    How about starting a party called No Confidence
    
    That might get some inattentive attention?
    
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    June 29, 2023 12:49pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Winnie looking more and more like he’s going to fill the massive covid vacuum that National and Act are refusing to touch. As I’ve been warning about on this blog.
  
  They both totally refuse to even acknowledge that there is a concerning increase in all cause mortality that should be investigated. They totally refuse to acknowledge the physical, financial and mental harms that were done to so many people by ludicrous policies.
  This group of people are a substantial number within NZ. They are looking for anyone at all to acknowledge them and to speak out for them. National and Act want them to shut up and go away.
  
  They will go to whoever speaks for them. Winston sees the opportunity and he will seize it.
  
  Look at the pattern of unusual death rates of so many populations POST COVID, I’d like to see what the explanation for that is”
  
  “Usually they tell you it might have these side effects, but they didn’t and that’s the worst thing”
  
  https://twitter.com/fighthetyranny/status/1673583371308658688
  
  Don’t say you weren’t warned Mr Luxon and Mr Seymour.
  
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  June 29, 2023 10:35am
  - H. Upmann
    
    Mac: Peters is about as trustworthy with the truth as Michael Wood. Good luck.
    
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    June 29, 2023 11:13am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      What if you ask Peters 17 times?
      
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      June 29, 2023 11:55am
    - miltonF
      
      Maybe. At least he is saying the right things. In my eyes that instantly makes him more trustworthy than all the rest. There’s no question about it. Whether he follows through is another question, however we already KNOW that the other parties will stay in denial…so?
      
      There is only one voting option for me. Have to take the risk. At least there is the possibility of justice with Winston. Zero possibility with other parties.
      
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      June 29, 2023 5:03pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        There’s no so blind as those who will not see
        
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        June 29, 2023 7:33pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      J. Upmann – I agree 100%. I’m responding to those who are wondering why the National/Act pairing is apparently struggling to poll ahead of the Marxist nutters currently in the process of destroying everything good about NZ.
      
      Their refusal to even acknowledge that their is an issue around an alarming rise in all cause mortality, or to talk about the physical, mental and financial harm that was done to so many due to their personal medical choices, means there are a substantial number of NZers who believe they have nobody acknowledging them or 0speaking for them.
      
      I don’t want Peters back, but he’s an opportunist and if he goes after this group of people he will easily get the 5% he needs. National and Act could hoover this up if they were prepared to address it, but the won’t touch it. Their call.
      
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      June 30, 2023 7:47am
- NothingLeft
  
  NZ needs a non-marxist environmental party. Real Greens or some such to reduce influence of Greens pretending to care about environment when really they are just far-left nutters.
  
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  June 29, 2023 2:10pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    The ACT party?
    
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    June 29, 2023 4:09pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“They’ll hit Hunter with something small to make their strike on me look ‘fair.’ Nothing about these Fascists is fair or honest.”
Will Hunter end up the same as all the Democrat crooks? Clintons, Obamas, Schumer, Pelosis, Waters, oh the list is endless.
Trump predicted this. Something small on Hunter so it makes the hit on Trump look big. Straight out 2024 Election interference.

https://patriotsnewsstand.com/theteapartydaily/trump-predicted-hunters-plea-deal-two-weeks-ago/
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June 29, 2023 8:33am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The big guy has hired defence attorneys
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Hillary Clinton is one. She once crowed about getting a bigwig off a case of raping a 12 year old girl.
    
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    June 29, 2023 11:57am
    - mawm
      
      A 12 year old that was so violently raped that she will never be able to have children. And Clinton laughed.
      
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      June 29, 2023 2:55pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        She is one of the most evil women on the planet.
        
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        June 30, 2023 8:40am
cas

We were having an icecream at a store out of town the other day just after dark and as it was raining we stayed inside till we had finished.
A young man came in with a black hoodie, black gloves, black tracksuit pants and a black mask covering his face. He eventually bought some bottles of fizzy drink and chippies AND paid but his behaviour and the disguise suggested he was ready to rob the store if people hadn’t been there.
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June 29, 2023 8:38am
- kowtow
  
  You could easily raise your concerns to oneof the regular police patrols that we’re all so used to seeing in our neighbourhoods and city centres.
  
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  June 29, 2023 9:10am
Grumpy Silver Haired Female

I have a question. Why are our elite Maori not kicking up bobsy die about the use of Aotearoa as the name for New Zealand when it was first used by a colonialist ie Governer Gray, I believe? Surely they should be creating a new name and charging like wounded bulls for giving the nation the privilege of their wisdom.
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June 29, 2023 8:48am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Because at present it suits the agenda being driven….give it time to mature.
  
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  June 29, 2023 8:59am
- kowtow
  
  How’s about “honouring ” the treaty and using the name of the country they used .
  
  Nu Tirani.
  
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  June 29, 2023 9:11am
  - Ehlana
    
    Pronounced “New Tyranny” it would be a very accurate new name.
    
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    June 29, 2023 9:58am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Accurate and correct. The Coup is happening right now.
      
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      June 29, 2023 12:00pm
Maggie Pie

PADDY’S GOT ISSUES 😛

“Why can’t we talk transgender without losing our sh*t?”

– Patrick Gower

https://twitter.com/CapnTwitt/status/1673960133167316992
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June 29, 2023 9:02am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Because it’s forced down our throats excuse the pun
  
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  June 29, 2023 9:05am
  - MCōs
    
    Only if you go looking for it.
    
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    June 29, 2023 11:03am
- Matt Long
  
  Exactly Maggie, how about a little tolerance for sexual diversity.https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/06/28/just-like-that-all-his-friends-get-amnesia/
  https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/06/28/why-does-this-just-keep-happening/
  
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  June 29, 2023 9:07am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    O.M.G. Matt…
    
    Groomer Awareness Month 🙁
    
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    June 29, 2023 9:43am
- Beach Haven expat
  
  The genius thing was he then blocked the majority of people from replying to his tweet. Doh
  
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  June 29, 2023 10:06am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Because if you bring it up and have a differing view you will face a vicious backlash and maybe the biff.
  
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  June 29, 2023 10:18am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Because is the cause du jour for our wee rebels without a cause (or life).
  
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  June 29, 2023 4:10pm
goNZ1

this is what happens when a far-left Green mayor and councillors get into power – this from the Wgtn CC yesterday-
” They also called for a review of data – particularly benefit-cost ratios. This came after councillor Tony Randle last week found a $250 million error in the cost-benefit of another council project which proposed 30kph speed limits in the central city” !!!
Plus 100 businesses have just warned the same Council that their reckless plan to turn the Golden Mile into a car-free zone and removing heaps of carparks is going to cause at least 25% of them to have to close down!
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June 29, 2023 9:31am
- Prince
  
  As if any of the Greenie council staff would allow any proposal outcome apart from ‘get rid of the cars, allow the citizens to roam freely in the glorious Wellington sunshine.’
  (Yes, I know, we have had a fortnight of lovely, calm weather. But the law of averages will triumph soon.)
  
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  June 29, 2023 9:53am
Jack5

New Zealanders who sold racehorses to China may be interested in Chinese automation of farrier work, as in the first link below. Do NZ farriers now use power-tool planers rather than snippers and rasps?

Series of videos are running on YouTube of Chinese farriers at work on horses, mules, and donkeys, and puzzlingly seem to have captured an international following. For example, Master Lu, working on donkey hoofs, has almost a daily posting, and sometimes more frequently, as he attacks long hoofs, sometimes using something like a spade.

This rekindles the story of Lin Lang, an ethnic Manchu from China’s Inner Mongolia, who bought more than a thousand racehorses from NZ, preferring pregnant mares. This was a gamble on China re-introducing horse racing with gambling. (Is has long been legal in Hong Kong). Could some of the horses in the Chinese farrier videos be descended from NZ imports?

Lang’s NZ company, Inner Mongolia Rider Horse Industry Co Limited, now in receivership, had as its home address Haridaobu Village, Khorchin County, Hinggan League, Inner Mongolia, China. The New Zealand receiver’s report says:

The company’s livestock was located at three stud farms; Windsor Park Stud in Cambridge, Highview Stud in Hamilton, and Willow Glen Stud in Waimate. Due the restrictions of the Covid 19 pandemic the Company was unable to export its livestock and the company’s director, Mr Lin Lang, returned to China, leaving the company without a New Zealand based director. The company ceased trading and during 2020 and 2021 the Company’s livestock located at the various studs was sold. The Company was in breach of its lending agreements with the Bank of China.

The Bank of China put Lang’s company into receivership.

The receivers say Mongolia Rider Horse Industry Co owned 46 per cent of the stallion, Mongolian Khan, and this, in accordance with the syndicate agreement with other owners, was to be realised (sold).

The receivers indicated there weren’t funds left for nearly $150,000 owed to unsecured creditors.

Last time I posted about Lin Lang’s business in NZ, an irate poster accused me, in effect, of waging war on the National Party. This was because Lin Lang in 2016 gave $150,000 to the party.

This story is too intriguing to be forgotten. Mongolians and their cousins the Manchu, are some of the great horse warriors of history. Suddenly there was an interest from them in NZ racehorses.

For the True Blue who would hush it up because of the gift to the National Party: you can look a gift horse in the mouth.

Hoof repair, North China style:

https://youtu.be/DicoNsOJ7Z0

Lin Lang’s big buy-up of NZ horses:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/06/billionaire-businessman-lin-lang-put-nz-s-thoroughbred-horses-on-the-map-now-his-company-is-in-receivership.html

PS: The rash of farrier videos on YouTube isn’t just from China. There are American, British, Brazilian, Mid-East farriers, and probably more – all with followers commenting in different languages and alphabets.
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June 29, 2023 9:35am
- Jack5
  
  Edit: ~~puzzingly~~ — puzzlingly.
  
  [Mod – fixed]
  
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  June 29, 2023 11:51am
I remember when

Submersible sinks resulting in 5 deaths, debris is raised from bottom of ocean and investigation taking place almost immediately.
Covid shuts down New Zealand, 5 million affected and nothing is deemed necessary.
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June 29, 2023 9:43am
- Joely Doe
  
  *Govt response to Covid shuts down NZ
  
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  June 29, 2023 12:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Donald Trump: I’ve been told by many sources, good sources – they’re very good sources – that the chicken crossed the road. All the Fake News wants to do is write nasty things about the road, but it’s a really good road. It’s a beautiful road. Everyone knows how beautiful it is.
Joe Biden: Why did the chicken do the . . . thing in the . . . you know the rest.
Hillary Clinton: What difference at this point does it make why the chicken crossed the road.
George W. Bush: We don’t really care why the chicken crossed the road. We just want to know if the chicken is on our side of the road or not. The chicken is either with us or against us. There is no middle ground here.
Dick Cheney: Where’s my gun?
Bill Clinton: I did not cross the road with that chicken.
Dr Seuss: Did the chicken cross the road? Did he cross it with a toad? Yes, the chicken crossed the road, but why it crossed I’ve not been told.
Ernest Hemingway: To die in the rain. Alone.
Albert Einstein: Did the chicken really cross the road, or did the road move beneath the chicken?
Colonel Sanders: Did I miss one?
Jacinda Ardern, Prime Minister of New Zealand: Look, the Director-General of Health assured me the border by the road was gold standard. He’s not my BFF anymore. It’s not my fault that Dr Bloomfield was factually inaccurate and that this chicken was overlooked. Or that I didn’t have a Minister of Health who made it his job to check such statements. I can accept no responsibility. Did you see the cake I made Neve today?
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June 29, 2023 9:54am
Ehlana

So, um, who’s in charge of the government today?
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June 29, 2023 10:02am
- Inandout
  
  Eh, public servants, as always.
  
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  June 29, 2023 10:39am
SmokerGuy

When I first saw Kiri Allan on TV I thought she seemed like a real breath of fresh air in a government full of idiots. But now the truth is coming out and I am a bit disappointed, it’s like every single person in the government is flawed in some way. I just cannot understand how they can be so terrible on every level. And I’m not excusing Allan’s behaviour towards staff but how can anyone possibly operate competently when you load them up with so many different portfolios? Of course you will likely break people when you dump so much on them. It’s a real inditement on Labour that with their massive result last election they have so few people to run things and even then they are so shit at doing it.
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June 29, 2023 10:04am
- Dougal10
  
  We are probably holding the diversity hire MPs up to the wrong standard . Its probably not entirely their fault that they have ended up with responsibility’s beyond their capabilities.
  
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  June 29, 2023 1:10pm
cmm

On the weekend I did a bit of research into the building of the Lyttleton tunnel back in the 1960s.

They didn’t have spreadsheets.
They didn’t have PowerPoint.
They didn’t have email, fax machines, 3D simulations and other “productivity tools” (unless you count the slide rule).
They didn’t feed the taniwha.
They didn’t have infinite government funding.
It was run by a bunch of boring old white guys.

The project ran to budget and on time.

Cost was about $150m in today’s money. For that we got a 2-and-a-bit km tunnel which has served reliably for 60 years and will continue to do so for decades.

Now $150m wouldn’t get you out of the paperwork stage. Even that would be over time and over budget.
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June 29, 2023 10:04am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  In the 1960’s the Liberty Ships were up for replacement and shipyards around the world looked at designing them.
  
  Austin Pickersgill on the NE Coast of the UK sat down and in a month designed using slide rules the SD 14 class, This was built in the UK and under license world wide. Original cost was GBP 1 million. They did 14kts on 14 tpd and carried 14k tonnes of cargo.
  
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  June 29, 2023 10:25am
  - Matt Long
    
    14 Tons Per Day? TPD?
    
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    June 29, 2023 11:09am
- GazzaW
  
  It was called the Ministry of Works and consultants had not been heard of.
  
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  June 29, 2023 10:25am
  - MCōs
    
    The MOW didn’t build the Lyttleton Tunnel.
    
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    June 29, 2023 10:57am
- MCōs
  
  The safety features of the Lyttleton Tunnel would have been extremely primitive compared with that required today.
  The cost of modern tunnels is increased continuously as safety features are improved and this also increases the cost and time taken. Among other things.
  BTW
  The slide rule is not to be sneezed at.
  
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  June 29, 2023 10:54am
  - cmm
    
    I don’t sneeze at slide rules. It is worth noting that the USA hasn’t produced a single viable military aircraft since the end of the age of slide rules.
    
    The safety features in the Lyttleton tunnel are far from primitive. There was a lot of thought put into fire supression, traffic safety and such.
    
    It survived the Chch EQ, so nothing to sniff at there – many more modern structures didn’t cope.
    
    What do you think it would cost to build that today? Since a new bridge crossing across the Auckland harbour would be projected to cost $15bn (let’s call that $25bn after blowout) and the tunnel option $25bn (let’s call that $35bn after blowout), I would estimate building the Lyttleton tunnel today would cost $10bn to $15bn because it is a bit smaller and easier to engineer.
    
    So $10bn (best case) vs $150bn (1960s build adjusted for inflation). We’re taking 60x as much. For what? Don’t tell me it is 60x safer.
    
    The booklet they published at the time is worth reading: https://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/projects/lyttelton-tunnel/docs/official-opening-booklet.pdf
    
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    June 29, 2023 12:43pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      “USA hasn’t produced a single viable military aircraft since the end of the age of slide rules”. Other than the F-35 Lightning (introduced 2015), the F-22 Raptor (2005), F-18 Super Hornet (1999), C-27J Spartan (2006), MQ-1C Gray Eagle (2009), Prioria Robotics Maverick (2008), C37 (1997), C-40A Clipper (2001), EA-18G Growler (2009), P-18A Poseidon (2013), T-6 Texan II (2001), AC-130J Ghostrider (2017 – yes, it is a variation of 1996 Hercules), B2A Spirit (1997) among others. The list isn’t extensive. And doesn’t go in to the 1980’s where slide rules were not used for aircraft design. FYI, West Point were issued with calculators in 1979.
      
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      June 29, 2023 2:46pm
      - cmm
        
        The F-35 has no street cred.
        The F-22 and F18 were discontinued quickly, as were all the others.
        
        The backbone of the US military are still C130, aka Hercules, from 1950s, F16 from the 1960s early 70s, A10 Warthog (1960s/early 70s), B52 bomber from the 1950s, Chinook helicopter from 1950s/early 60s, Blackhawk helicopter from the 1960s & early 70s…. and so on.
        
        Sure there have been some others, but they haven’t lasted long which is why I say they were not really viable.
        
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        June 29, 2023 3:40pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nothing wrong with a slide rule. I still have mine, although I can only remember basic use.
  
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  June 29, 2023 12:21pm
- Colville
  
  They drank a lot of scotch and used a lot of dynamite! (possibly closely together!)
  
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  June 29, 2023 1:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/leaving-the-labour-party-because-of-the-maorification-of-new-zealand/

Because of the Maorification of New Zealand and the implications, chief of which is the destruction of democracy.
Good post by Karl du Fresne included. The difference between Maori and Pacifika.
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June 29, 2023 10:09am
All_on_Red

Oh this is funny. Trump is now suing the nutter E Jean Carroll. Ms Carroll should have looked at how things worked out for Stormy Daniels before embarking on her crusade.
‘Donald Trump has sued E Jean Carroll for defamation, alleging she falsely accused him of rape after a jury in a civil trial found that he sexually abused her.

Trump’s counterclaim against Carroll in Manhattan federal court on Tuesday cited Carroll’s statements on the CNN cable news channel after the verdict, and comes after a jury’s finding in May that he sexually abused and defamed Carroll, but the jury did not find that he raped her.
Trump is seeking a retraction as well as unspecified compensatory and punitive damages’

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/28/trump-sues-e-jean-carroll-for-defamation-over-comments
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June 29, 2023 10:11am
- Brian McDonald
  
  One thing can be said about E J Carroll she’s not a troll that made public statements about something she was going to do by way of a protest before backing out of it. She is also not lusting after a fat American male.
  If one ever thoughtfully considered the idolisation of a politician and forgave them for everything they did no matter that it broke their otherwise normal values, it would likely mean they were crazy at the beginning and the whole through and just didn’t know it.
  
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  June 29, 2023 10:59am
  - RightNow
    
    Jacinda is gone Brian, let it go
    
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    June 29, 2023 11:03am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Her story does seem highly implausible IMHO.
    
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    June 29, 2023 4:14pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If the Court forces her to pay Trump’s Legal Costs, that will be enough embarrassment. Carroll should be treated the same as Stormy Daniels.
  Bothe gold digging hookers in my opinion.
  
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  June 29, 2023 12:28pm
  - mawm
    
    Uptick for the first sentence. I suspect that she has a severe case of TDS and is part of the multi-faceted attack on the next President.
    
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    June 29, 2023 3:04pm
- Mike
  
  Can we look forward to Trump seriously stating in court that he is being defamed because he ‘only’ sexually abused someone?
  Vote for me, I’m not a rapist, I only sexually abuse people!
  
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  June 29, 2023 4:44pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    No, because that scenario would simply be something someone called Mike sourced from his own bottom.
    
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    June 29, 2023 5:59pm
Bridgenag

A reminder folks that Tremain’s fabulous cartoons can be yours by emailing him to get put on the list

tremain@arrowtownz.com
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June 29, 2023 10:14am
I remember when

Misinformation on Bottom trawling: Matt Hardyment, President Port of Nelson Fishermen’s Association. Seafoods NZ.
Some of the points raised –
. The small size of NZ Seabed that is commercially fished.
. Minimal effect compared with silt runoff after even small weather events.
. 40 to 50 years ago there was 10 times as much trawling and no starving fish.
. Sea cucumber are the only thing that likes to eat silt. Silt in and sand out other end.
. What are we doing with them?
Catching them and selling them to Asia.
. The lagoons of Aitutaki have crystal clear waters.
After the 2011 storms there the lagoons were full of sea cucumbers.

Is the effect of the silt runoff, the reason Greenpeace constantly talk about the damage from
trawling to seamounts.
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June 29, 2023 10:38am
Bobba Fret

Just heard on Newstalk ZB news, Kiri Allan has broken up with her partner!
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June 29, 2023 11:05am
- Nickc2
  
  Will Hipkins declare a national day of mourning?
  
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  June 29, 2023 11:10am
- Maggie Pie
  
  You heard it here first 😛
  
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  June 29, 2023 11:16am
  - Opie
    
    I said it last night but got blocked by the mods…
    
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    June 29, 2023 12:43pm
- kevn
  
  @Bobba… What, another one? Issues abound.
  
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  June 29, 2023 3:00pm
KH

Kiri Allan. The PR experts have passd around that the words to be used are “no formal complaints”
So for the last 25 hours all the Labour politicians have been saying “no formal complaints”. “no formal complaints”. “no formal complaints”
So maybe somebody was in the corner of the office weeping. Or asking for reassignment.
But “nothing to see here as no formal complaints”
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June 29, 2023 11:07am
- Swifty
  
  I noticed that. It screamed dishonesty to me; an attempt to mislead.
  
  What about informal complaints? Had any of them?
  
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  June 29, 2023 11:59am
- Prince
  
  Who gives a damn about the victims ?
  
  It is vital we all sing from the same song sheet – ‘no formal complaints’.
  And for Gods sake shut those bloody victims up. Pay them out, look into their families, blackmail, threaten, use your media contacts, whatever.
  Just shut this thing down.
  
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  June 29, 2023 1:03pm
  - Swifty
    
    The Party comes first.
    
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    June 29, 2023 4:44pm
Maggie Pie

O.M.G. you have to love Ricky Grevais….he absolutely NAILS it 😀

https://twitter.com/KarliBonnita/status/1673726783684857857
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June 29, 2023 11:09am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Watch Afterlife Mags. It’s funny. That clip isn’t even the best of the interviews! Though Gervais has slipped a little given he has come out as a vegan.
  
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  June 29, 2023 2:51pm
Suze Wainwright

Heh, so Jessica Mutch Mackay acknowledges that Hipkins lacks the star dust of his predecessor.

I guess it proves the msm are hankering for whatever it was that Ardern must have provided
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June 29, 2023 11:16am
BeaB

Extremely highly paid cabinet minister with important portfolios throws a sickie for a week because her girlfriend dumped her.
Is this high school?
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June 29, 2023 11:17am
- Ghost
  
  Different things affect people’s mental health, let’s not use her problems as a means to attack her. People on the left used Jamie Lee Ross’ and Todd Muller’s mental health problems as a means of attack. Let’s be better than that
  
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  June 29, 2023 11:27am
  - Inandout
    
    Ghost, unless..it is like the race card, just another label from the bag of tricks? Insanity in its many forms seems to be a huge source of income for drug companies.
    
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    June 29, 2023 11:39am
  - Vercingetorix
    
    I agree about not poking fun of her mental health or her breakup with her girlfriend.
    
    However, her refusing to acknowledge complaints by staff about her behavior – no. She just says ‘nothing to see here’. If the CE of DoC has raised issues – at the highest level – she just needs to get on the phone to her and ask “What are the complaints?” That is what a normal person would do. Then reflect on the information, and if necessary apologise to the person. Release a media statement saying she will do better with her staff and apologise.
    
    And if she did that – the overwhelming response would be positive.
    
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    June 29, 2023 11:58am
    - Ghost
      
      Completely agree, that is where people should be focusing on this staff member and did the govt cover up the complaints like they did with the complaints in Ardern’s office
      
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      June 29, 2023 12:00pm
      - Vercingetorix
        
        Unfortunately very few politicians can admit they are wrong and apologise. It just seems to be part of their DNA.
        
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        June 29, 2023 12:26pm
  - BeaB
    
    Mental health. Really?
    
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    June 29, 2023 12:29pm
    - Ghost
      
      It’s not our place to judge why a person needs time off for mental health, and yes relationship problems do cause people to have mental health problems.
      
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      June 29, 2023 1:12pm
      - Taieri
        
        It’s not our place to judge why a person needs time off for mental health
        —————-
        
        It is when such a person holds a public office.
        
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        June 29, 2023 2:02pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        …and is paid over $300,000 per year by the taxpayer.
        
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        June 29, 2023 8:59pm
      - Ghost
        
        Judge her on her job, her performance, her mental health, health, break up, should not be part of that.
        
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        June 29, 2023 9:03pm
- lifesgood
  
  I’m sorry, I don’t buy this mental health bollocks and I speak as someone with experience of family members with genuine mental health problems. It seems anyone can claim “mental health” nowadays and everybody is too scared to challenge them. Now it seems for many it is just an excuse because you have hurty feelings, tiredness, I want a day off etc, etc. Genuine mental health problems need to be treated with respect, caring and treatment but to claim it because your life isn’t perfect is just not on. Everybody has good and bad days…learn to live with it. Genuine mental health concerns are not cured by a couple of days off work.
  
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  June 29, 2023 1:26pm
  - Ghost
    
    Every single person is different, I know when I’m going to hit the wall and need to walk away for a few days
    
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    June 29, 2023 1:55pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      If Kiri had that level of self awareness she’d walk away from the job permanently.
      
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      June 29, 2023 7:42pm
      - Ghost
        
        I’m surprised she came back after her cancer fight. Life is too short to go through that and go back to the cesspit.
        
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        June 29, 2023 8:00pm
BeaB

I thought that was Kiri on Sunday having a go at Luxon and National.
She looked and sounded in rude health.
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June 29, 2023 11:24am
cas

Re Kiri Allen. If she has been under so much pressure, has she made any decisions in her portfolios which might be called into question? if she has had problems she needs to take more than a week off to really sort them out.
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June 29, 2023 11:43am
- Maggie Pie
  
  What about the $5 mill of our money to the liquidators of RAL last week?
  
  SHEESH!!
  
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  June 29, 2023 11:55am
  - Ghost
    
    Got to keep it running for when it is ~~gifted, handed over,~~ sold to iwi
    
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    June 29, 2023 12:03pm
  - Albie
    
    You’re worried about 5m? That could’ve have fallen out of Robertson’s pocket on his way work! Out of all the wasteful billions spent over the last 5 1/2 years, this might at least help a region survive after the repercussions of the government’s covid overreaction.
    
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    June 29, 2023 5:49pm
    - Ghost
      
      Or not giving them money and allowing the proposals that were put forward to go ahead would of saved the jobs and cost the government nothing
      
      Let’s see should we spend 5 million on 167 hip operations or 5 million on a failed businesses that has buyers wanting to take it over. Or give it 5 million and then gift it to maori.
      
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      June 29, 2023 6:04pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  If Kiri has been on stress / mental leave for last week, then why did Chippy allocate more work to her (associate finance?). Ryan Bridge raised this.
  
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  June 29, 2023 12:06pm
  - peterwn
    
    Who else is he going to allocate the extra work to? He is running short of people to allocate extra work to, and he may have to reallocate more extra work if another Minister stumbles.
    
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    June 29, 2023 8:36pm
Jack5

Stuff champion of Maori, Joe Maxwell, has a whine in the Southland Times today in which he says of Maori: “We weren’t even allowed to stand in general electorates until 1967.”

He omits that non-Maori weren’t allowed to stand as candidates for Maori seats until then, either.

The 1893 Act says of Maori electorate members of Parliament:

Such members shall be chosen respectively from amongst and by the votes of the Maoris inhabiting each of the several Maori electoral districts …

From 1852, New Zealanders were entitled to vote by owning a minimum amount of property. In 1867, Maori seats were introduced, and the few Maori who owned property separately from communal property were entitled to two votes – in a Maori electorate and in the non-Maori electorate.

With the Maori seats, all Maori men from age 21 had the vote. This was 12 years before all non-Maori men over 21 were able to vote.

From 1893, all New Zealand women and men could vote.

The 1893 Act defines ” Maori ” as meaning an “aboriginal inhabitant of New Zealand, and includes half-castes and their descendants by Natives”.
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June 29, 2023 11:45am
- All_on_Red
  
  Sure Joel, but now Maori are very well represented in Parliament and that’s big progress and an achievement we should be proud of, so how about stop whining and take the grifting elsewhere.
  
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  June 29, 2023 12:05pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Maxwell is a very one eyed born again. Like ex smokers they are the worst kind.
  
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  June 29, 2023 12:22pm
Bobba Fret

Who would want to be a front line cop? You try uour best to stop the law breakers and……..
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/three-auckland-police-officers-charged-with-assault-after-incident-last-year/ZVBQM72E3RA7FCJV7IZ6RAYWG4/
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June 29, 2023 12:07pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Justice System is broken. Has been for a long time.
  Be kind.
  
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  June 29, 2023 12:36pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  It’s become ridiculous….the crims walk free and the cops face jail.
  Can you blame them for not wanting to attend any ‘criminal’ incidents?
  Far easier to head in the other direction and attend domestic disputes involving those with mental health issues.
  
  What a sick joke our police hierarchy has become.
  
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  June 29, 2023 12:43pm
Vercingetorix

Imagine dropping $160,00 on a car and it bursts into flames.

I wonder how many cancelled orders they will get today?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/132444698/kiwi-jaguar-ev-owners-told-to-park-cars-outside-due-to-fire-risk
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June 29, 2023 12:24pm
kowtow

Apropos nothing in particular, if a bull dyke is nasty to other women , is that misogyny.
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June 29, 2023 12:42pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Sky News au take aim at Jaspinda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLvqDclkhUk
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June 29, 2023 12:43pm
- Vercingetorix
  
  The comments are brutal:
  
  “Australia would like to officially thank Jacinda Adern for convincing every qualified and intelligent kiwi to move over here.”
  
  I’m with Rodney Hide. I have ‘outrage fatigue’. I just cannot believe what has happened to our country.
  
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  June 29, 2023 12:53pm
- mawm
  
  That is so funny. I have never heard such a brutal takedown of a “leader”.
  
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  June 29, 2023 3:14pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Brutal but accurate on all counts, and they did even say she could be a nice person aside from politics.
  
  You want to be a star and lead a country? You better be competent.
  
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  June 29, 2023 3:38pm
Inandout

Farage wins an award and the media establishment is not happy.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/nigel-farage-kicked-out-tric-30338849
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June 29, 2023 1:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Happy Birthday Elon Musk. 28th where he is. (52)
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June 29, 2023 1:04pm
Sparrow

Another example on how this government has wasted our money. Local chemist giving away for free Covid test kits. Can have more than one if you want. Apparently expire at the end of the year. How many more millions have gone down the drain ?
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June 29, 2023 1:15pm
- Inthe09
  
  I didn’t even ask and they shoved two boxes of the things at me recently. I said no thanks, not interested. They can’t give them away.
  
  Remember those months in lockdown Auckland, because we didn’t have ‘the vaccine’ Imagine if we’d had someone half competent running the show with the tests available then, so those of us not sick could just get on with life. I really hope a few people reflect on that when they vote this year, but alas I think most of the voting population have the attention span of a goldfish.
  
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  June 29, 2023 7:04pm
Maggie Pie

Heard that foul mouthed Nigerian guy Israel wots-his-name on ZB earlier….saying how great it will be to see Elon and Zuck climb into the cage for a no holds barred fight.

He needs to get with the program!
Elon’s mum said days ago she wasn’t going to let her boy get in the ring. She cancelled the whole thing. LOL.
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June 29, 2023 1:15pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Ironic, isn’t it. There’s a huge kerfuffle about ALB’s accidental head clash on Saturday, and Carl Hayman speaks up about concussion. Cue media outrage.
  
  And then there’s MMA cage fighting, where mostly female reporters gush over Israel & his ilk, whose sole sporting purpose is to smash the living hell out of each other. No thought of head protection there.
  
  If you want an example of cognitive dissonance, look no further.
  
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  June 29, 2023 7:50pm
David Garrett

So, now we have secret texts from/to Ms Alan…I won’t get much support for this statement, but this is what you get when you promote unstable inverts to positions involving some stress…

Remember Chris Carter? He was another one…
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June 29, 2023 1:22pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  He ended up in Kabul with some UN Job. His “husband” is/was a Principal at a Primary School.
  
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  June 29, 2023 1:30pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Wonder if that’s the same Chris Carter that one of the girls from tennis has seen nude bathing with his partner Kaiser at Little Palm Beach on Waiheke?
  
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  June 29, 2023 1:43pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    The mind BOGGLES>
    
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    June 29, 2023 1:48pm
Loddenthinks

The Privileges Committee has inexplicably (yeah, right) found that the dead-set useless Jan Tinetti was not in contempt of Parliament, but has ordered her to “apologise for her “high degree of negligence” in misleading the House.”

So she misled the House in February, was told the same day by her staff that she was incorrect, and failed to correct her misleading statement until told she had to by the Speaker in May!

And they gave her a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket for not correcting the record quickly enough! she had no intention of correcting the record until she was told to do so – once again these useless Labour Ministers force us to decide if they’re incompetent, arrogant, entitled – or all three.

Of course, the elephant in the rom is that Tinetti knew all too well that what she was saying was a lie – she told the Ministry not to release the data, then told Parliament that it was nothing to do with her. She’s been pinged for not correcting a misleading statement quickly enough” but what about the original problem – the massive lie she told?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/education-minister-jan-tinetti-ordered-to-apologise-to-parliament-by-privileges-committee/FYEFJKF2CVELLAHOBIAMDGLAMI/
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June 29, 2023 1:44pm
- Ghost
  
  Elton says it best. It is getting more and more absurd
  
  Elton John – Sorry Seems To Be The Hardest Word
  
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  June 29, 2023 3:04pm
- Nickc2
  
  Apologising means eff all.
  It’s being used far too often these days to ask for forgiveness that would/should otherwise result in sacking as a bare minimum.
  Childish actions by childish people seeking sympathy for being incompetent and telling lies.
  That’s Labour for you.
  
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  June 29, 2023 7:36pm
Prince

Things that make you go ‘Huh ?’.

In 2020, the media, esp TVNZ, excoriated National for drafting in some party members to greet Judith Collins on a walkabout, in Auckland.

In 2023 the Government transports a Kapa Haka group to China, to perform a ‘welcome’ on the tarmac for Hipkins. The media, esp TVNZ, provides fawning coverage.

This campaign is shaping as the dirtiest in history, and the media is front and centre.
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June 29, 2023 2:11pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132436582/wellington-city-council-votes-for-a-sister-city-in-palestine
WTF ?
Is this the same council which wants to screw Wellington by imposing some shit traffic scheme?
Is this the same council which refuses to fix the basic infrastructure because they spend all the money on woke shit ?
Is this the same council which increased rates by 12% ?
Wellingtonians: for God’s sake wake up, get rid of these idiots.
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June 29, 2023 2:50pm
- Mike
  
  I think for every sister city added, Wellington could drop one (it already has 13). Lower Hutt has 4, Porirua 3, and Upper Hutt only 1. Auckland has 8. How big a sorority does one city need?
  
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  June 29, 2023 4:56pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Ah huh. Another council infested with immature people more interested in student activist causes than real world issues affecting ratepayers and residents.
  
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  June 29, 2023 6:09pm
- Drone
  
  @greybeard we (the royal we) just voted them in. We knew when we voted what a bunch of flakes they were so we can’t complain. Half of them want to be grown-up pollies in the big house, the rest just want to keep getting paid. I think Tory falls into the big house group. I will be interested to see the list of who voted for and against the LGWM motion (so much like the other motion). If as has been identified by Tony Randall and others the business case is shown not to stack up, all the councillors and the LGWM team who supported the motion should be barred from holding public appointments for life..
  
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  June 29, 2023 11:01pm
Ghost

Well Elon won’t want to be the next bud light

LGBTQ Celebrities & Allies Call on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, TikTok, and Twitter to Stop the Flow of Anti-Trans Hate & Malicious Disinformation About Trans Healthcare

“True allies do not profit from anti-LGBTQ hate.”

To:
Mark Zuckerberg, Meta Platforms, Inc.
Neal Mohan, YouTube/Alphabet Inc.
Shou Zi Chew, TikTok/ ByteDance Ltd.
Linda Yaccarino and Elon Musk, Twitter, Inc./X Corp

As celebrities, influencers, and prominent public figures with significant followings on social media, we the undersigned are calling on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, TikTok, and Twitter to fulfill the promises you’ve made to transgender, nonbinary, gender non-conforming and all LGBTQ users in your terms of service. There has been a massive systemic failure to prohibit hate, harassment, and malicious anti-LGBTQ disinformation on your platforms and it must be addressed.

Dangerous posts (both content and ads) created and circulated by high-follower anti-LGBTQ hate accounts targeting transgender, nonbinary, and gender non-conforming people are thriving across your platforms, directly resulting in terrifying real-life1 harm2 including bomb threats3 targeting children’s hospitals that offer healthcare for trans youth, and death threats4 targeting care providers.5 Such false and hate-driven widely circulated content on your platforms is even being cited by lawmakers advancing discriminatory legislation against trans people.6 Targeted misgendering and deadnaming of trans and nonbinary people is a widespread mode of hate speech7 across all platforms, utilized to bully and harass prominent public figures while simultaneously expressing hatred and contempt for trans and non-binary people in general.

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June 29, 2023 3:18pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Ask J K Rowling how intimidated she feels from that community. She has been doxed so, so many times she has extra security in house. How is that for hate?
  
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  June 29, 2023 3:26pm
  - Ghost
    
    What is interesting is when you look at the list of celebs, the big celebs who are pro gay rights, who are huge in the gay community have not signed it.
    
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    June 29, 2023 3:28pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      The people going out and punching grannies in the face and so on, are not the real deal. They’re rent a crowd posers following their mates for likes and approval.
      
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      June 29, 2023 3:41pm
Maggie Pie

According to Statz, the ratio of police-per-person is now one Officer for every 480 New Zealanders.

Yet Singapore has one for every 170 residents. What does that tell you?
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June 29, 2023 3:46pm
- cmm
  
  Having a look at the stats suggests that the NZ Officer to Citizen ratio is about the same as most countries we’d see as our peers. UK has 10% more cops than us and USA about 20%. Canada has 10% less, but the cold probably keeps them indoors more.
  
  South Africa has almost double the cops we do, On top of that they then have 3x that again in private security (real security with semiautomatics – not just mall cops) and still their crime is way worse than ours.
  
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  June 29, 2023 4:11pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    I went to Hyde Park last Sunday and heard Rosie Parker speaking. Exactly 13 weeks earlier I had been to see her speak at Albert Park, Auckland. What got me was the huge number of police at such a small gathering last Sunday. Well, compared with the paucity of police numbers that I saw on 26th March.
    Yeah, I do get around.
    
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    June 29, 2023 5:36pm
    - Vercingetorix
      
      Not ‘Rosie’ – Posie
      
      Real name – Kellie-Jaye Keen
      
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      June 29, 2023 7:36pm
    - Vercingetorix
      
      IMO it was a deliberate act by Auckland police to throw her to the mob.
      
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      June 29, 2023 7:37pm
cmm

A nice example of the failings we’re seeing in government is what I experienced with deregistering a vehicle recently.

On 2 June I deregistered a vehicle and was told that there would be a refund for unused license and RUC, but allow 2 weeks.

After almost 3 weeks I emailed and asked about progress. They said I should have received a letter (I hadn’t) but if I emailed them the details they’d sort it all. I did so the same day and the nice lady I dealt with said the refund was teed up and I received the refund in my bank account the next day.

The letter I was supposed to have received sometime around 10 June? Well it arrived today! It was dated the same day as my interaction with the nice lady.

There still are some efficient people working in government departments, but they seem to be drowning in the sea of incompetence they are surrounded by.

BTW NZTA, or however you identify these days, still waiting for the clean car rebate that I applied for on 9 June. The nice lady I dealt with on 21 June checked and said all the information is there and properly lodged.
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June 29, 2023 4:04pm
- greybeard
  
  It used to be NZTA.
  Then it became “Waka Kotahi” ( whatever that means ).
  Now it has been renamed “What A Catastrophe”.
  
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  June 29, 2023 4:09pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Oh dear, the Feds don’t want to de-mask!
https://spreely.video/v/3480141699/HILARIOUS–Feds-Show-Up-to-Pro-America-Rally-Dressed-as-Nazis–Patriots-Demask-Feds-And-Send-Them-Running-in-Fear
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June 29, 2023 5:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

It is happening, the left can’t stop him now.

https://libertyonenews.com/trump-pulls-in-huge-numbers-of-supporters-in-concord-nh-event/
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June 29, 2023 5:10pm
BeaB

Which week did Kiri Allan take off? She’s back today? But was enthusiastically taking political potshots at Luxon after the conference on TV on Sunday. Was she still mentally ill then?
It all feels dodgy. More to come? Hope so.
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June 29, 2023 5:16pm
NZer In Exile

Ah yes, as soon as a certain person appears the mindless down-voting starts. 😝 Never a counter argument offered.
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June 29, 2023 5:17pm
Ghost

Damn

Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown is livid with senior Government ministers for a “bombing run” on the city that could see the council stripped of its planning role along the light rail corridor.

He was responding to a letter from Finance Minister Grant Robertson and Housing Minister Megan Woods instructing Kāinga Ora board chair Mark Gosche to begin a process of potentially stripping the council of control of urban development along the 24km light rail route from the central city to the airport.

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June 29, 2023 5:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Watch out! The ways of dealing this have been demonstrated by teflon Killary.

https://roccistuccishow.com/comer-accuses-biden-legal-team-of-intimidating-witnesses-they-fear-for-their-lives/
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June 29, 2023 5:27pm
Ghost

It’s time for the New Zealand version of pin the tail on the minster

Who will be the next minister the media dig dirt up on

https://www.dpmc.govt.nz/our-business-units/cabinet-office/ministers-and-their-portfolios/ministerial-list

My guess, it will be either Willie Jackson or Kieran McAnulty.
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June 29, 2023 6:39pm
- septic skeptic
  
  In racing terms it’s a very even field with no clear favorites. All that is certain is that it will be within a couple of weeks. A month at most.
  
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  June 29, 2023 7:14pm
- Dougal10
  
  Who ever chippy sees as a threat.
  
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  June 29, 2023 7:26pm
  - Ghost
    
    It seems that way doesn’t it, so far ministers who are seen as future leaders have been taken out, maybe Mahuta is next.
    
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    June 29, 2023 7:30pm
Swifty

Targets not achieved but it’s still lauded by them as a success:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300917737/census-declared-a-success-despite-return-estimates-falling-short-of-target

Yep, that’s the Labour way.
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June 29, 2023 7:25pm
miltonF

Good on national for proposing to remove the RBNZs “sustainable house price” mandate.

This mandate directly conflicts with the RBNZs inflation mandate. As we all know, interest rates up = house prices down, and vice versa.

The interesting thing for me is the deception. If you have an observational mind, you will notice that the mandate is for “sustainable” prices. That means that the RBNZ not only has a mandate to prevent large house price rises, but also to PREVENT LARGE HOUSE PRICE FALLS.

If they wanted to ONLY prevent house price rises, they would have simply included house prices in the CPI calculations like we have in the past. Therefore, by logical deduction, the intention of the “sustainability” mandate, is to prevent house price falls.

Now you know why the RBNZ is unable to raise the OCR to an acceptable level to constrain inflation. If they do that, house prices will plummet, breaching the new mandate labour has imposed.
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June 29, 2023 7:31pm
Ghost

Paywalled, but bloody hell. Then again this is labour, are we surprised?

Amendments to the Three Waters reform plan have blown out establishment costs by an estimated $1 billion.

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