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Warren

Anyone else that thinks that our Prime Minister Chris Hipkins looked like a child waiting for a lollipop as a reward when shaking President Xi Jingping’s hand on Tuesday Evening.
Like his predecessor former Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern he talked in riddles about his meeting with the President of China.
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June 28, 2023 8:01am
- Simon
  
  Xi Jingping: Who is next?
  Underling: Phillip Hopkins he is Prime Minster of New Zealand.
  Xi: New Zealand? Alright wheel him in.
  
  Enter Chris.
  
  Chris: Its great to be here President Xi Jingping.
  Xi: Its ok you can get up
  Chris: Look this is embarrassing but I need to say a bunch of words so I can tell everyone back home that we talked about it. You dont have to say anything.. It will not take long.
  Xi: Ok Phil you can go ahead. And you can get up.
  Chris: Pacific, the US, Ukraine, human rights, the Uyghurs, mutual interests, friend & partner, trade,
  Xi Ok Phil, look I am expecting a phone call
  Chris: Thank you so much, But what is really important is NZ’s export sales. What do you know about sausage rolls?
  Xi: That great Phil good meeting but I have got to take a call. I will have one of my doubles take a few pictures with you.
  
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  June 28, 2023 10:48am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He meet Swharb in China yesterday hoo, why Schwarz is there his only knows
    
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    June 28, 2023 11:13am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Simon bro – the meeting went overtime by 45 minutes. Don’t talk ill of Chippie.
    
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    June 28, 2023 11:34am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes, he is like a scared muppet, he is looking more like a dork every day
  
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  June 28, 2023 11:12am
- NoCash
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/06/new-zealand-media-needs-to-be-more-careful-with-questions-it-asks-politicians-about-sensitive-issues-like-china-expert-says.html
  
  I’m surprised, Anne-Marie Brady usually is very critical of China and not shy about calling NZ politicians to be tough on China. But this latest interview is out of character of her, very tame and careful.
  
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  June 28, 2023 11:59am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Fear will do that to you, comrade!
    
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    June 28, 2023 12:20pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Look up 60 minutes report on see see p “police stations” in western countries and what they get up to.
    
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    June 29, 2023 1:22pm
Scott

Nothing will depress the mind more than a trip through the provinces. Travelling into Eketahuna one is greeted by the sex shop (yes Eketahuna has one) sporting a smashed in front door following a ram raid last night (Monday). Apparently the raiders did a crime spree from Masterton to Palmerston North leaving a trail of destruction behind them.

I sit down to read the local newspaper and find that a young man who had smashed and robbed the Michael Hill store in Masterton in broad daylight has had his sentence deferred once again while awaiting cultural reports and a drug and alcohol report. That’ll show him!

Meanwhile the local government and central government are colluding to further lower speed limits around the region. This is massively unpopular but everyone knows local opinion will be cast aside by the Labour government’s hopelessly naive road to zero policy.

Everything is falling apart. Crime is out of control. Meanwhile our politicians main focus is to control the law abiding citizens and force them to drive even slower on the highways and byways of the Wairarapa. The police are everywhere on the roads enforcing the 80kms speed limit while seemingly powerless to stop the crime wave?

Can things get any worse under this government? Yes they can and they are.
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June 28, 2023 8:01am
- crackle
  
  I hear the sex shop has cornered the market on velcro gloves.
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:30am
  - Keith White
    
    I expect the Velcro Fly vanished as well…
    
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    June 28, 2023 10:41pm
- mandk
  
  I have mentioned this before on KB, but I don’t think problems of the sort you refer to will go away because there is such a long time between an offender being apprehended and the offender being tried. In the interval, offenders will feel free to continue what they have been doing, and this is evident from the fact that some individuals are serial offenders.
  
  What we need is summary justice, especially in those cases where there is no doubt as to the identity of the offender.
  
  Apprehend the offender, charge them and have them in court for sentencing the next day.
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:31am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    My old man was a country cop back in the day, and from what a large number of people have told me (years later) he was considered a good and effective cop.
    
    He had a different kind of summary justice, that didn’t involve long waits for court cases, cultural reports and so on – also it didn’t necessarily involve violence as you may think. It was effective in that the miscreant was encouraged back onto the right path without having a criminal record or going through the system. Whether they responded to that encouragement and pulled their head in was up to them, but in the vast majority of cases they did.
    
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    June 28, 2023 9:54am
- kowtow
  
  In Dunedin .
  
  ‘Dunedin youths stealing cars in a four-day spree broadcast their exploits on social media site TikTok, police say.
  Senior Sergeant Anthony Bond, of Dunedin, said police this morning caught two youths after they crashed and then fled from a stolen car near Mosgiel about 4am.’
  
  Note the thieves were ‘returned’ to their parents , implying a Plod taxi service instead of getting the parents at the very least down there ……..
  
  ‘They were returned home and their parents spoken to, Snr Sgt Bond said.’
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/30-cars-hit-dunedin-tiktok-crime-spree
  
  And there’s the case in Chch where a thief was caught , the police called , and they said let ‘im go , we’re too busy.
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:32am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    “Since Friday at least 30 Mazda Demios, Toyota Aquas and Nissan Tiidas had been either stolen or tampered with”
    These young thieves are thinking of the climate and only stealing the smaller fuel efficient cars//
    
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    June 28, 2023 10:15am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Youth offender taxi service and gang tangi escort service. Must be really morale destroying for police who genuinely want to do policing and tackle crime.
    
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    June 28, 2023 10:16am
    - cmm
      
      Quite likely those that wanted to be real police to serve the community get disillusioned and leave.
      
      I know two cops who did that.
      
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      June 28, 2023 10:52am
      - Keith White
        
        I would really like to think that is correct, but the evidence is against it.
        
        Item: the enthusiasm clearly on display when police got to enforce lockdowns and go easy on iwi roadblocks
        
        Item: the alacrity and perseverance with which most police willingly participated in the gun-theft
        
        Item: police union chief Cahill getting elected every year on a platform largely of taking guns away from licensed firearms owners
        
        Item: zero whistleblowing about the awfully lax, lazy or incompetent or all of the above way the butcher of Christchurch was not vetted
        
        Item (and this one really stands out for me): observing and very close hand, up close and personal, police in isolation hotels actively bullying those of us who were detained for two weeks after winning the humiliating lottery to come back to our own country if we did not immediately snap to and abide by every little equally humiliating restriction up to and including paying for our own incarceration. (For example, if you were lucky enough to get onto the exercise schedule, you would be told off if you walked over to fast or too slow. If you could see a delivery coming from a supermarket from out of your window, and try to communicate with the delivery driver, you get yelled at for opening a window and the police would come and knock on your door. While the paid-for delivery vanished into the distance.
        
        We have our own Stasi-in-training, as much as people would like to think that’s not so. Sure there’s a good proportion of good people, but they are basically invisible when it comes to being a dairy owner, someone whose home has been invaded, someone whose car has been stolen and trashed and stripped, someone who is trying to run a business and going broke because of serial shoplifters who if and when they are caught, get a free police taxi home to their parents.
        
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        June 28, 2023 10:46pm
  - Taieri
    
    Dunedin youths stealing cars
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    This nearly happened to me a while ago. The car wasn’t stolen as the battery was not there and being an automatic they couldn’t start it running down the hill. But lots of damage, one window smashed and ignition pulled out with vise-grip or similar and half of the dashboard smashed up. In the end it cost me $400 in excess and almost 2 month wait for the replacement ignition.
    
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    June 28, 2023 11:11am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Discovered one of the last bastions of (almost) unconstrained speed in this country last week. Returned from a few days in the Pacific (an island, but we did spend time in the Pacific), landing back in Auckland around 630PM.
  
  Once through the usual rigmarole of customs etc, collect vehicle, head south. The new sections of the Waikato expressway are, if traveled at night, devoid of traffic. Hooked up with a couple of other like minded citizens and gobbled up the miles at a quite unseemly pace.
  
  Until we get back onto local roads that used to be 80 (now 50) and 100 (now 80). Sigh. But fun whilst it lasted.
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:46am
- I remember when
  
  Scott:
  “further lowering the speed limits.”
  
  Obviously intended to allow the police to catch up with the offenders.
  
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  June 28, 2023 10:25am
- Stellaboxer
  
  The Hospital in Masterton wouldn’t be able to cope if anyone had been hurt during the crime spree either. I guess we could contact our MP oh hang on he’s Macanulty so I guess there’s no point. Oh well the Wairarapa voted him in I guess it’s a case of laying in the bed you made for yourselves.
  
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  June 28, 2023 11:21am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Cultural reports? Does everyone get a “cultural report” before going to court, or just certain identity groups approved by shadowy cabals of self-righteous lefties?
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:25pm
Lee C

Looks like Trump v Biden again.

I’d suggest the recent raid on Trump probably did more to galvanise Republican sentiment to rally around Trump than anything Trump couls have said or done.

Own Goal, Joe.
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June 28, 2023 8:06am
- imalwaysright
  
  Ironically , if they manage to jail Trump, his support would probably increase.
  
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  June 28, 2023 8:19am
- Tomtoddy
  
  A “goal” for Joe??? He wouldn’t even know where the field was let alone the ball. God save the Queen.
  
  It is totally incomprehensible that one of the most powerful, populous nations on earth cannot find an intelligent, intelligible, decent person to lead their country.
  
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  June 28, 2023 8:20am
  - Prince
    
    At least he doesn’t have his own ethnic cultural group tour the world to ‘welcome’ him as he arrives.
    The US has a demented president.
    NZ has a demented country.
    
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    June 28, 2023 8:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Different Queen. He was referring to the ones in kid’s schools.
    
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    June 28, 2023 8:31am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Tomtoddy – look around you. The same thing is happening in most western countries. Ardern/Hipkins? I see chippy was meeting with Klaus Schwab yesterday, nothing to see here of course!
    Sunak? Trudeau? Macron? Each and every one of them are WEF shills who have been groomed for these spots in an illusion of democracy.
    
    In what democracy, in what was the most powerful nation on earth, do Joe Biden and Donald Trump finish up as apparently the best 2 people to potentially lead the country?!
    
    Monty Python couldn’t have come up with this as a script, they would have written it off as too ludicrous.
    
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    June 28, 2023 9:16am
    - Scooter
      
      When will Chris H come out about it?
      
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      June 28, 2023 9:46am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        The media have let us all know.
        
        https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/06/chris-hipkins-meets-world-economic-forum-s-klaus-schwab-vietnamese-pm-ahead-of-main-meeting-with-china-s-xi-jinping.html
        
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        June 28, 2023 10:03am
      - stiff cheese
        
        And using the cover of a diplomatic visit to China, that was ingenious! … Klaus can pass on ‘advice’ to his newest protegee , while our corporate-controlled media will just talk about China….
        
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        June 28, 2023 10:59am
    - Don Beckett
      
      I have no problem with Trump – apart from his extreme narcisism – but Biden is a train wreck.
      
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      June 28, 2023 10:59am
    - crikey
      
      Hipkins meeting Schwab tells me a lot about what to expect if a Labour government is re-elected – more of the same as under Ardern’s time as prime manipulator. Don’t make the mistake of thinking Hipkins is different to Ardern.
      
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      June 28, 2023 11:19am
  - krazykiwi
    
    “intelligent, intelligible”
    
    Biden is the first, mainstream visible evidence that presidents are run by the permanent deep state. Sure, there are carefully stage managed ‘presidential’ speeches and policy, but the power does not reside with the clown in the chair.
    
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    June 28, 2023 10:24am
    - Groggy
      
      Did you not pay attention during Bush (jnr) term. the evidence has been there for a while now.
      
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      June 28, 2023 11:36am
    - Che Guava
      
      “Biden is the first, mainstream visible evidence that presidents are run by the permanent deep state”
      
      I’d say that John Fitzgerald Kennedy was the first (or certainly the most public) evidence of that to anyone with two braincells to rub together. The consensus persecution of Trump for the last 8 years is also a pretty sound datum as to who runs things.
      
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      June 28, 2023 12:03pm
- Thought Criminal
  
  Biden is an elderly man in obvious mental decline. The Dems will have someone new by the election.
  
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  June 28, 2023 8:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Hillary is just waiting for the nod, without kicking Joe to the gutter.
    
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    June 28, 2023 8:30am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Add. I actually think Hillary is scared of the whole Biden family.
      There are many skeletons.
      
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      June 28, 2023 9:01am
      - cmm
        
        Yup, the Bidens are probably the only people the Clintons fear.
        
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        June 28, 2023 10:53am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    I don’t know if BIden will be replaced before the election as Head of the ticket, but I would not be surprised if Kamala Harris is replaced as VP.
    
    I don’t see Hillary having another shot.
    
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    June 28, 2023 8:35am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You have not seen her vile hatred of Trump? She still thinks she should have won 2016. The Woman is evil, and I reckon she will jump at the chance to become President.
      
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      June 28, 2023 10:24am
  - Rusty
    
    @Thought..
    
    Could it be Robert Kennedy Jr?
    
    He is one Democrat who doesn’t go along with the traitorous Biden regime.
    
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    June 28, 2023 8:51am
    - Ghost
      
      Robert is polling well, I think he will be the candidate, and against trump an easy win
      
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      June 28, 2023 9:07am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        I hope you are right, but I don’t think so sadly. They will crucify him on his anti covid vaccine position. They will bring ever weapon they have to smear and destroy him.
        Though I suppose they tried (and are still trying) that with Trump and it backfired on them.
        
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        June 28, 2023 9:21am
      - Gravelroad
        
        @Ghost-
        Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. suffers from a voice disorder called spasmodic dysphonia, also referred to as laryngeal dystonia.
        This allegedly makes it difficult for him to speak in public.
        But I guess that as the current President also has difficulty speaking in public, it shouldn’t be too big a deal for Kennedy.
        Unlike “talking funny” was a big step too far for people in the National Party to maintain Simon Bridges as a leader.
        
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        June 28, 2023 9:23am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        @Gravelroad – I admire his ability to overcome his speech issues and still be able to communicate clearly and without the aid of notes or teleprompters. I linked this earlier, very much worth watching and listening to RFK Jr speaking.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTgpBdP8NxA&pp=ygUhbWVldCB0aGUgY2FuZGlkYXRlIHJvYmVydCBrZW5uZWR5
        
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        June 28, 2023 10:06am
      - mawm
        
        Democrats hate RFK Jr because of his covid vax stance as well as his years long anti-vax stance. Those who applaud his covid stance are put off by his climate change position.
        
        I listened to a long interview (the “deplatformed” Jordan Peterson one) with him and came away from it thinking all he has said is he’ll do what JFK wanted to do, and someone he trusts told him anthropogenic global warming is true so it must be although he hasn’t himself looked into the science even although he has read thousand of scientific papers and he is in a position to make his own judgement. Not exactly inspiring although I support his anti-war/American-adventurism-in-other-countries stance
        
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        June 28, 2023 11:34am
    - Cassandra
      
      No. Possibly Newson if Biden falls over (again).
      
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      June 28, 2023 9:22am
      - Matt Long
        
        People in Newsom’s state are joining the refugee line to Texas, where will they go if gets Federal authority, Mexico?
        
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        June 28, 2023 11:23am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      @Rusty – this was an excellent, honest interview with RFK Jr. No notes, no autocues, difficult questions and honest answers. I disagree with him on nuclear, but the main thing is, he’s speaking from the heart and points out that it is ok for us to disagree on things but still be able to work together.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTgpBdP8NxA&pp=ygUfY29udmVyc2F0aW9uIHdpdGggdGhlIGNhbmRpZGF0ZQ%3D%3D
      
      It was a wonderfully refreshing thing to watch a politician talking like a normal human being. Not like the plastic puppets we usually see.
      
      Not like the totalitarian fraud Ardern, who controlled almost everything we saw or read in the media. An Orwellian nightmare.
      
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      June 28, 2023 9:25am
      - Rusty
        
        @Clan,
        
        Thanks, he seems to be a likeable guy unlike other Dems.
        
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        June 28, 2023 9:41am
    - Opie
      
      Kennedy spoke for hours on Joe Rogan and was fine.
      
      The problem he will have is he is anti war, anti big pharma and anti corruption.
      
      He is not afraid to challenge things and call people out.
      
      Doesn’t really fit the democrat model…
      
      I suspect like the rest of his family he will be disappeared before he even gets close to power.
      
      Unfortunate, because if you listen to him as a neutral, he makes more sense than any other politician doing the rounds.
      
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      June 28, 2023 9:52am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        IF RFK jr is anti-war, anti-big pharma, and anti-corruption the Democrat hierarchy won’t let him near them.
        
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        June 28, 2023 10:31am
    - Inandout
      
      Rusty, a good interview with Bill Maher. The link is on Bill’s site.
      
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      June 28, 2023 10:03am
      - Rusty
        
        @Inanddout, thanks
        
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        June 28, 2023 12:33pm
  - herb1
    
    The decline started long before he was old. There were very obvious signs from the time he was first elected
    
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    June 28, 2023 9:27am
  - barnacle bill
    
    I would go with Anthony Blinken.
    
    Seems like a guy on top of his job and pretty sharp as well.
    
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    June 28, 2023 2:53pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  Biden handlers have gotten exactly what they’ve wanted, that is a run against Trump. It’s the only chance they have. Biden versus Desantis not a shit show it would be all over.
  
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  June 28, 2023 8:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The chances of the crooked Dems stopping Trump now are very slim, short of assassination. Beware, Democrats are dangerous without even being cornered.
  Just a pity he will have only 4 years to finish what he started – drain the swamp.
  The swamp is huge, Trump underestimated the size. The democrats will try to protect their decades of corruption.
  Amazing that I only ever took an interest in American Politics when I was in Alaska in 2015. I asked out host family who would win in 2016. They all said Trump, and some of them are Democrats! I did not see how, with Trump being in business. They all said “you watch” And he did win.
  So I leave you with something pre 2016 that explains it all. You may have seen it.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S63MW41dP58
  
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  June 28, 2023 8:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Those rally supporters are still behind him – and Joe Biden did not get 81 million votes.
    
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    June 28, 2023 8:28am
    - Matt Long
      
      There’s a fair indication that the regressives have not only the MSM on side, but that they have weaponised law enforcement to bring down conservatives.
      https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/stunning-revelation-durham-hearing-should-chill-core
      
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      June 28, 2023 9:00am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        You mean like in NZ? A bought and paid for media and law enforcement that batters peaceful protesters in one place but lets others batter 70 year old women for daring say that women deserve safe spaces?
        
        Like the truckers in Canada? Or the yellow vests in France?
        
        The liberal left are losing the plot around the world and that is when they become most deranged and dangerous. That’s how fascism arises, and it is arising currently. We’re in an existential war right now. Most don’t believe it, but we are.
        
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        June 28, 2023 9:33am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Clan. Reagan.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-T8oC8SLFI
        
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        June 28, 2023 10:37am
  - Cassandra
    
    Biden will beat Trump, amazingly. Swing voters decide elections and Trump alienates them even more than Biden does. GOP needs DeSantis or Christie.
    
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    June 28, 2023 9:25am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Yep, Trump doesn’t have enough support from Independents to win.
      American Moms might coalesce behind De Santis though.
      And all the Hispanics and Blacks who have moved to the GOP would as well.
      
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      June 28, 2023 9:44am
- royce987
  
  Sounds like a Democrat dream, Trump is hated by almost everyone outside the Republican base. The Democrats are terrified of DeSantis and would love a wounded Trump to be nominated.
  https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/nbc-poll-desantis-leads-biden-by-six-points-in-swing-states-but-trump-trails-by-two/
  
  https://www.newsweek.com/poll-desantis-trump-stronger-swing-states-1808469
  
  https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/trump-desantis-swing-states-poll-indictment
  
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  June 28, 2023 8:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The leftist media say “a Democrat dream, Trump is hated by almost everyone outside the Republican base.”
    FIFY.
    There is a game going on here and for the crooked media, it makes news.
    DeSantis said he will not run for POTUS if Trump runs. He told that to all of his donors. Atm, DeSantis is campaigning for Trump. He will stay Governor easily.
    
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    June 28, 2023 9:21am
- WaynelSexton
  
  Trump the father of the vaccine vs I don’t know where I Am Biden.
  
  You have to go with Biden don’t ya?
  
  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-father-vaccine-covid-fox-interview-b1839555.html
  
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  June 28, 2023 8:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump Father of the vacccine? Yeah right. Another game as part of campaigning.
    Trump claims that so Biden can’t, it is that simple.
    
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    June 28, 2023 9:23am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Poll has Trump strengthening in the Republican party, but national polling has him trailing Biden by 4% in the head, where Desantas is equal with Biden
  
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  June 28, 2023 8:56am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    G from Dunedin. Exactly why the Dem handlers want the fight to be against Trump and not Desantis. The Clinton /Obama corporate cartel are more than happy to have a Biden Harris ticket again after all they promoted them and forced all the other candidates to drop out of the running and allow the old fool to take the nomination. He’s a puppet and she literally does as she’s told so even if Biden dropped dead tomorrow they would still be in control. If you think it’s conspiracy you haven’t been awake for the last twenty odd years. The level of corruption and sums of money involved are beyond imagination. Trump was dangerous because he wasn’t in the club and neither is Desantis now if it were Geoge W running they’d be just fine with losing.
    
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    June 28, 2023 9:22am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Harris’s Popularity now at 32%
      This is a historical low for a VP
      
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      June 28, 2023 9:47am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        It wasn’t even popularity, it was is she doing a good job
        
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        June 28, 2023 11:24am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Lower than J Danforth Quayle? Hard to believe.
        
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        June 28, 2023 6:42pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Agreed, I have 3 down ticks for my post, but it is fact from Fox poll yesterday
      
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      June 28, 2023 11:18am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Polls polls polls! This is not about Trump, DeSantis, and Biden. This is about selling news. Clickbaits for advertising.
    
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    June 28, 2023 9:26am
    - Simon
      
      Polls polls polls!. Yep the cattle are so easily led.
      
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      June 28, 2023 10:08am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Even on Kiwiblog! 🙂
        
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        June 28, 2023 10:40am
- Handyman
  
  My prediction…
  The Dems will let Biden go through primaries unopposed. They do not want Dems bringing up dirt on Biden providing more ammunition for Trump.
  
  Separately there is a parallel campaign among Dem establishment to select the real candidate who will take over at the Dem convention. Remember the Dems have a system where super voters (Dem establishment) get the controlling votes inside the convention.
  
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  June 28, 2023 8:59am
  - Cassandra
    
    That’s unlikely these days. 30 years ago perhaps but not now. Conventions are choreographed.
    
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    June 28, 2023 9:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sensible comment. Democrats are in panic mode.
    Here is typical leftist shit:
    
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/presidential-candidates-tracker
    
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    June 28, 2023 9:31am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Yup, and we all know it will be big Mike
    
    Maybe Newsom if Mike won’t run. But the mess in California must surely count against him….
    
    Bwuhahahaha, of course it won’t he’s Pelosi’s nephew! One of the untouchables of Democrat families.
    
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    June 28, 2023 11:52am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Trump is probably the only man in America that could lose to Biden at present and the deep state handlers know it. The whole purpose of these people is to continue the transfer of public money to private pockets be it by wars or pharmaceuticals. Biden is their frontman and they will go to any lengths to protect the racket . It’s that simple whilst there are good people in both the Democrats and Republicans the truth is the United States is run by a uni party. It’s why Tulsi resigned.
    
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    June 28, 2023 1:10pm
penguincouple

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch-police-tell-tradies-to-let-robber-go-after-citizens-arrest/L565EJI35FFFNOVYO2VD4WWMPE/

Perhaps more resources for actual police and criminal investigation work, and less focus on Te Reo/Te Ao/Te anything would be a good place to start?

But then I will be called a racist for calling this out.
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June 28, 2023 8:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Police did not want another assault charge on them from an arsehole who knows his rights. NZ Police are restricted by the Justice System, and people like special K.
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:40am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    There is no suggestion of an assault charge against police or the tradies.
    Police themselves explained they were unavailable, so weren’t coming, and so to let the scum go.
    Interesting to note, the comments from the scum while pinned suggest he is out on parole.
    Police should be resourced to attend these events – Labour and the Police leadership assert there is no resource issue. Obviously a lie.
    Should at least lift any wallet/ID from the guy and record his details before letting him go. Take some good photos, and let the police catch up with him later.
    Or, shave his head and strip him naked.
    One or the other.
    Pitiful, NZ police, pitiful.
    
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    June 28, 2023 10:25am
    - sirknz
      
      If the police weren’t turning up, they could’ve at least asked for an ambulance instead, just in case he stepped off the kerb when leaving and broke a leg or an arm in the fall…
      
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      June 28, 2023 3:31pm
- Simon
  
  Police claim too busy attending family violence problems. The police tend to travel together in large numbers for protection as well. It is feral out there.
  
  If you are attending some meth head who is beating the step kids then anything could happen.
  
  The police numbers in NZ are too small for the crime problem. Has to be rebuilt.
  
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  June 28, 2023 10:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If the Police said to let him go, then there would be no arrests if those 5 guys beat the living shit out of the thief? Yes, the Police would protect the thief by arresting the good guys.
  
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  June 28, 2023 10:45am
  - Groggy
    
    Beating the shit out of a thief does not make you a good guy. It makes you a criminal. A few car parts do not justify hurting somebody.
    
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    June 28, 2023 11:43am
    - Opie
      
      “A few car parts do not justify hurting somebody.”
      
      It does if they are my car parts.
      
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      June 28, 2023 1:27pm
Grizz

That’s what the democrats want. While popular with some Republicans, they believe Trump is unelectable. They would rather it being a race against Trump than Desantis.
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June 28, 2023 8:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wrong. Trump is very electable. Look at the latest rallies. His voter base is there, and this time I doubt the Dems can cheat with those programed voting machines.
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:42am
  - Grizz
    
    I never said I thought he was unelectable, I said the democrats think he is unelectable.
    
    Personally I think Desantis is more electable.
    
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    June 28, 2023 10:31am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I mis-read that Grizz. Apologies.
      
      Must do better Steve.
      
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      June 28, 2023 10:47am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

If even one of the girls at tennis knows Te Whatu Ora has $160 million dollars worth of leftover RATS stored in the largest Supermarket warehouse in Christchurch, how come Ayesha doesn’t?
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June 28, 2023 8:21am
- Blog-aholic
  
  She is like the previous health minister she only knows A Little.
  
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  June 28, 2023 8:29am
- Clyde
  
  Ayesha looked like a startled possum in the headlights yesterday in the House. Useless, but probably not as useless as Sepoluni who just vomited the same word salad she had learned off her cue cards. Incompetent doesn’t even start to sum it up.
  
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  June 28, 2023 8:33am
  - Tricati
    
    And Audrey Young goes to bat for Sepoluni in the Herald today saying she was bullied by Luxon in question time yesterday. How dare he question her (as acting PM) on the state of the economy and making her look stupid.
    
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    June 28, 2023 9:16am
    - jv
      
      Making her look stupid has to be the dumbest way of appealing to the “centre” and to most women. Who failed and failed his Deputy, Luxon
      
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      June 28, 2023 9:35am
    - mandk
      
      Ministers have a huge advantage at question time.
      
      They have notice of the questions. The questioners cannot depart from the text, and the Ministers are permitted by the Speaker to grandstand and largely ignore the questions.
      
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      June 28, 2023 9:37am
      - Bobba Fret
        
        Question time in my opinion has become a waste of time. They are never held to account and often do not answer the questions.
        
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        June 28, 2023 10:33am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        ‘I have not seen that yet’ is the best lie to stall things.
        
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        June 28, 2023 10:50am
      - cmm
        
        Instead of allowing a proper questions and answer session, QT seems to be more a choreographed charade, where the MPs get a rush out of trying to sledge eachother, and “address” the question instead of answering it.
        
        While this might provide nice entertainment for the 19-year-old political science students in a debating club, that is not what we pay them for. They can have fun on their own time.
        
        Parliament probably costs us around $1M per hour, maybe more. The dick heads are there to work, for us who pay them – not stuff around.
        
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        June 28, 2023 12:12pm
  - Scooter
    
    Can’t even organise a glass of water.
    
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    June 28, 2023 9:52am
- Dougal10
  
  Considering they probably arrived by plane the rat tests alone probably kept chch airport and a couple of freight companies going.
  
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  June 28, 2023 8:33am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    What a super effective and efficient use of taxpayer money…….//
    
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    June 28, 2023 9:37am
- pdm
  
  Maggie I don’t think Ayesha Verrall knows much about anything. Pleased I am not likely to ever be referred to her for medical advice.
  
  She is an out and out `fishwife’ as the old time saying was.
  
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  June 28, 2023 8:36am
  - peterwn
    
    She should not be likened to all those hard working women at Talleys.
    
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    June 28, 2023 8:40am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Well she’s still promoting the failure jabs, so definitely not someone to get medical advice from.
    
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    June 28, 2023 9:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She knows. She also tells lies.
  
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  June 28, 2023 8:38am
- Nickc2
  
  Some Doctors in NZ are Radicals.
  IMO, Ayesha Verrall is one of them.
  I sure as hell wouldn’t want her prescribing any medication or treatment for me.
  On a more serious note, she would decline anyway as I don’t have any Maori heritage.
  
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  June 28, 2023 8:42am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Verral is becoming the next lying corrupt target, she already has form covering up stats
  
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  June 28, 2023 8:57am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Seems to go with the Ministers of Health job.
    How many have we had in this Govt?
    
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    June 28, 2023 9:50am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Has she considered taking up Mountain Biking – seems a safe way to exit the portfolio when things get tough!
      
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      June 28, 2023 11:55am
  - PhilP
    
    G, my brother calls her Isha Ferell.
    
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    June 28, 2023 12:27pm
Ehlana

I find, Maggie, that not trying to find out is an excellent way to not know things.
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June 28, 2023 8:23am
- Prince
  
  It appears one of the key duties of a ministerial office is to not tell their minister anything.
  Where do I join ?
  
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  June 28, 2023 8:26am
- Countrygirl
  
  An article by Rob Campbell in today’s Herald is another example of how not to know anything. I could not decipher all the Maori names to have any idea what he was talking about. It was certainly to do with spending lots and lots of money.
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:14am
  - Cassandra
    
    Rob Campbell is a Labour shill. Do not read his waffle.
    
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    June 28, 2023 9:27am
Observant Octagenarian

Watched an ad on TV featuring a group singing “Hi Ho” with shots of people sleeping.
At the end I looked for the punchline, to see what they were selling and who was selling this.
Didn’t get the punchline, and it took me several goes to find the English words on the screen, because the large fonts were in Maori.
Eventually discovered it was Ministry of Health.
Don’t know what they were selling.
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June 28, 2023 8:26am
- kowtow
  
  They’re selling increased Maori employment in the broadcast industry .
  
  Nuffing to do wif health .
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:38am
- Bob
  
  I thought that advertisement was from the TRADE UNION movement encouraging their membership to take employment and provide a fair days productivity for theit wages.
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:56am
- kiwi_chileno
  
  ‘Manglish’ – the miscegenation of Maori and English (ie, pigeon English) – on .govt.nz websites is a serious web accessibility issue because it reduces the effectiveness of assistive technologies. A visually impaired friend uses text -to-speech (TTS) screen readers and Manglish content results in gobbledygook (rubbish in, rubbish out). I did a test translating Manglish .govt content into Spanish and the result is also garbage.
  
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  June 28, 2023 12:24pm
  - alphabeatrium
    
    It’s all quite bizarre. In Canada, government websites will either respect your locale (your browser language preference: French or English, generally falling back to English unless you’re on a Quebec provincial government website) and adapt accordingly before the page is even loaded. If not, there’s always a little button to switch between languages. They are very serious about it, every single bit of text is available in both languages. I have a reasonable command of French and the translations seem excellent, and very direct, there is a strict 1:1 concordance and only rarely do you see things like “French translation in preparation”. Never are the two languages mixed within a sentence, or on the same page—and accessibility is an excellent reason why that’s the correct thing to do. Simple readibility is another.
    
    In New Zealand, it feels like we’re being lectured at and made to feel inadequate for not knowing enough Maori, rather than the wider availability and even prioritisation of the Maori language on official websites being something that actually assists in communicating information. I’m tempted to say that it’s not done in good faith.
    
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    June 28, 2023 8:37pm
- JohnRidd
  
  I think it is about not going to work if you are feeling sick.
  
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  June 28, 2023 5:45pm
JimBobJoe

Wood is being pushed and pushed… does Chippie and the Labour out of the public eye leadership want him gone?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/former-transport-minister-michael-wood-ignored-official-advice-not-to-toll-aucklands-penlink-road/66GRLMK5SBG5NM3YA43FCIBBQM/
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June 28, 2023 8:29am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  But Wood is an absolute darling of traditional lefties… There are still social media postings about him being one of the govt’s hardest working and most effective ministers.
  
  Even Jack Tame himself says Wood’s indiscretions will be forgotten by voters leading into the election way before Luxon’s EV issues are (and of course Jack Tame himself will do his level best to ensure that comes to pass (unless he’s instructed otherwise by his minders)).
  
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  June 28, 2023 11:37am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Tame wishes, there will always be a Eiffel of corruption with Woods now
    
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    June 28, 2023 12:26pm
  - PhilP
    
    SW, talking of James Lame, did you find it strange that he didn’t mention anything at all about the National Party conference on Sunday on Q+A?
    
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    June 28, 2023 12:33pm
Lee C

Schadenfreude is a bitch: Looks like MSM is onto it now:
https://youtu.be/kBbuFwY6Zik

This is going to cause a lot of conflict in teh TDS camp. IMO.
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June 28, 2023 8:31am
- Matt Long
  
  75% of Americans believe the US is going in the wrong direction, but polls show Biden leading Trump.
  It’s the same cognitive dissonance as in New Zealand, all but the most partisan self decieving ideologues know that Labour has severely harmed every area of New Zealand, but nearly half of voters want an even worse government where TMP and Greens hold more sway.
  
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  June 28, 2023 8:47am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Americans said the same pre 2016. Are the pollsters using that poll?.
    NZ the same. National will have a landslide maybe enough to Govern alone. Act will be invited on board of course.
    
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    June 28, 2023 8:57am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Biden leading Trump by 4%, but Desantas is actually equal with Biden, i think polls might change when the candidate is named
    
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    June 28, 2023 8:58am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Trump will love that. He will drag others in. Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, many other crooks, including the Clintons. Remember what Hillary said? “If I go down, half of DC comes with me” Trump will hold her to that promise.
  There will be one hell of a lot of rioting.
  
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  June 28, 2023 8:49am
- Tom Hunter
  
  I’m really looking forward to DPF writing an extensive post on this.
  
  In 10,
  9,
  8,
  7,…
  
  🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
  
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  June 28, 2023 12:05pm
  - Ghost
    
    You could always write about it, but I guess the traffic to your blog is so rubbish you’d be the only one reading it.
    
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    June 28, 2023 12:09pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Meeooowww, darling.
      
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      June 28, 2023 12:46pm
Tony Stuart

Greg Presland (MickySavage) at The Standard:

Getting back to the heading of this post there is a saying in sport that winning ugly is fine as winning is the only important thing. Clearly National believes that this applies to politics too and is willing to win this election using ugly tactics and completely indifferent to the damage that it will cause to the country.

I hope they lose. If they gain power they will wreck the place.

https://thestandard.org.nz/winning-ugly/

This made me wonder; would Greg describe trailing the government of the day by 7.5 percentage points then having to go into coalition with NZ First AND rely on the Greens for confidence and supply after a general election as “winning ugly”?
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June 28, 2023 8:34am
- SmokerGuy
  
  I find it incredible how delusional the left are. If National were in charge now with all these problems I’d be furious and fully expect them to be kicked out of office. But people like him are so oblivious to the state of the country it’s like they live in a cave! Even the deputy PM on the AM show on Monday saying they’ll leave the next government with a better health system. I mean what the actual f*** is she smoking?????? How can anyone in their right mind think this? Do they believe we are all too stupid to see what’s happening?
  
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  June 28, 2023 8:52am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Lol, Presland complains of ugly tactics and that National will “wreck the place”. Firstly, I can’t recall a Labour Party that was anything other than ugly. And secondly, it’s pretty tough to wreck a place that is already wrecked. Health Greg? Law and Order, Greg? Immigration, Greg? Education, Greg? By the by, for those of you that don’t know, he is a lawyer. He charges out at $350 an hour. At that rate, I’d say he is useless as well as an intellectual pygmy.
  
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  June 28, 2023 8:56am
  - Vercingetorix
    
    You wait until a change of Government. Suddenly the media will be screaming about the ‘housing crisis’, the ‘collapsing health system’ and on and on. And it will be the fault of Chris Luxon.
    
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    June 28, 2023 10:35am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    I can’t believe anyone would want him as their lawyer as he is so out of touch and blinded by ideology that Labour can do no wrong and National can do no right. Would he be any good as a lawyer?
    
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    June 28, 2023 10:49am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Ugly? looks to me that Labour are playing the ugly game, Nats do not need ugly.
  
  Presland clearly is not listening to the people on the street (level headed voters) who say they want change and the country is wrecked now.
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:02am
- Vercingetorix
  
  There are some odd folk on that blog. A roll call of people you would least like to attend your dinner party.
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:07am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    I felt dirty visiting. I’ve had a shower since, and now feel something approaching normal again 😀
    
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    June 28, 2023 9:14am
    - Colville
      
      It’s pouring bleach into my eyes afterward that really gets me…
      
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      June 28, 2023 9:54am
    - Vercingetorix
      
      I haven’t been there for ages. I have pondered how people can end up like that but I have no answer.
      
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      June 28, 2023 10:34am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      I used to go on there to counter some of the drivel. And got to take repeated holidays, then a permanent ban for quoting info from Stats NZ and other Government websites showing how useless Labour had been. I also got permanently banned from the Labour Party chat by Clare Curran. Because of a comment I made on Whaleoil! I emailed Curran at her MP mail address and pointed out that a pseudo “ColonialViper” on the Standard called for National Party people and voters to be lined up and shot, yet he still got to comment on the Labour site (and by the by, my comment was on a photo on whaleoil, something like, “beware folks, these people get to vote”). Curran replied and said good point. Then didn’t let me back and continued to let ColonialViper spew hatred. So ugly? Ugly is just short for Labour.
      
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      June 28, 2023 10:57am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    I put some comments on the Standard once, but because I didn’t follow the required echo chamber narrative and disagreed with them, quickly got offside and abused by a moderator called Incognito. They asked for links and evidence that I then supplied, however Incognito didn’t like any of those as they backed up my comments that Labour had messed up again. I was then accused of trolling and as far as I’m aware am still banned.
    
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    June 28, 2023 10:55am
- kowtow
  
  I’d say buying the media , in a once liberal democracy , is ugly .
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:41am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Presland reminds me of former Newsweek reporter, Nina Burleigh:
  
  “I would be happy to give him a blowjob just to thank him for keeping abortion legal. I think American women should be lining up with their Presidential kneepads on to show their gratitude for keeping the theocracy off our backs.”
  
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  June 28, 2023 12:11pm
JimBobJoe

Hmmm. The Police couldn’t get someone to the site to formally arrest the thief and advise to let him go???? WTAF!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch-police-tell-tradies-to-let-robber-go-after-citizens-arrest/L565EJI35FFFNOVYO2VD4WWMPE/

This will lead to street justice and beatings in quiet alleyways where no one can see and no CCTV is set up…

The fundamental compact between the King/Duke/The State is abided by the riles or the King/Duke/The State intervenes forcefully and quickly. If this fundamental concept lapses, well we are in blood feud, vendetta, utu are the only rules territory….. and anarchy ensues

Labour and there Police Commission have allowed all the soft rehab, not a bad boy bullshit flow unchecked through our justice and enforcement systems. This is not good…
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June 28, 2023 8:34am
- Ghost
  
  The police were all busy dealing with family harm incidents. Family harm should be more important. But it raises a question, how many family harm incidents were they dealing with and are they understaffed. Could one of the roading police units have gone and made the arrest?
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:10am
  - Cassandra
    
    The commander could have got off his fat arse and done it. Or someone – anyone – in the office. Even the cleaning lady.
    
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    June 28, 2023 9:31am
  - kowtow
    
    Family harm should be more important .
    
    And just what constitutes family “harm” these days .
    
    We’ve been conditioned to think it’s the Once were warriors stuff , more likely the vast majoridy is some little prick narking on his/her parents for telling it to pick up their clothes or get out of bed .Etc
    
    Get better work stories , eh.
    
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    June 28, 2023 9:44am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    If you believe that I’ve got another bridge to sell you. The police comments were ludicrous waffle.
    
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    June 28, 2023 9:45am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Family Harm is a wishy washy statement and designed to deflect from understaffing and a we dont care attitude.
    
    Get more police officers on the beat and importantly get more psych workers to handle the mad not bad people (because a lot of these family harm things are code for someone having a mental incident)
    
    I dont accept and neither should anyone casual theft being accepted in this manner, especially when the thief is captured by law abiding citizens
    
    Get the shiney arse senior officers out on the street handling these things… How many Commanders are sitting around doing bs paperwork to keep Coster and his legion of paper shufflers happy?
    
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    June 28, 2023 10:09am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  You are right JBJ, vigilantism is the next step when people lose faith in their police to protect them or start the judicial system by taking offenders to Court.
  
  It’s also why people feel unsafe, Ginny, because the protectors aren’t protecting. I am strongly supportive of front line staff but sadly they are led by donkeys both in PNHQ and the Beehive.
  
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  June 28, 2023 10:26am
  - kowtow
    
    No matter what’s happening at Donut O’clock down at Plod hq if there’s a hint of “vigilantism” they’ll find plenty of resources to come down fast and heavy.
    
    Remember when we lost our civil liberties and one group were allowed and assisted to mount illegal roadblocks , and any hint of other non favoured types trying to pull the same stunt were very quickly given a cough cough polite visit ……
    
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    June 28, 2023 10:45am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Yep, because the one thing Police won’t tolerate is competition
      
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      June 28, 2023 11:18am
  - stiff cheese
    
    “led by donkeys”
    
    Just a reminder of the dribbling Wet in charge: did you see him at the marae last week with Ginny, blathering on about our “kaupapa”?
    
    It was secret code for race-based soft punishment for the crims with the right ancestry.
    
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    June 28, 2023 11:30am
Maggie Pie

Wait a minute. The sheer AUDACITY of this guy…..

https://twitter.com/NewstalkZB/status/1673793322161152002

LOL!!
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June 28, 2023 8:48am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  HAHA heard him on with Hosking this morning grizzling he is not happy with Uni’s having more staff than before Covid mainly comms staff, what an utterly shameful thing for this fool to say as government has the identical policy of running the place
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:05am
Matt Long

Oops it must be easy to forget those tricky share declarations, eh Woodsie?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/top-dem-rep-appears-violate-federal-law-with-late-disclosure-million-dollar-stock-sales
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June 28, 2023 8:50am
Matt Long

I’m going to make a wild guess and say the central planning committee for Tertiary Education will cost many a million more than already disclosed.
A small cost however when compared with uniform indoctrination right speak for students.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/education/132403504/te-pkenga-draft-deficit-up-23-million-from-previous-estimate-to-86-million
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June 28, 2023 8:54am
- Dougal10
  
  How much of this money gets recycled and finds its way to the labour and green party coffers.
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:07am
- ClanMcleod
  
  After the bailout, my wife and I have now decided that our daughter won’t be going to any university in NZ. The education system is a total shambles of a woke, racist indoctrination system. We aren’t paying for that shit.
  We’ll be looking around the world for an alternative. Tragic, but I will not subject her to the ideological morons that infest the place.
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:51am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    If she is very, very bright.. then National University of Singapore.
    https://nus.edu.sg/
    
    If you want to be within cooee… then The Uni of Melbourne.
    https://www.unimelb.edu.au/
    
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    June 28, 2023 10:28am
    - Taieri
      
      If she is very, very bright.. then National University of Singapore.
      https://nus.edu.sg/
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      Very expensive for non-Singaporeans.
      
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      June 28, 2023 11:04am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Indeed..
        but if you graduate from NUS, you’ll never have to wonder if you were given a “dumbed-down” degree.
        
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        June 28, 2023 3:06pm
  - mawm
    
    Clan – surely it depends on what she wants to study. There are still some good departments.
    
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    June 28, 2023 12:55pm
Taieri

What’s in a metaphor?

There’s a bit of disagreement over the naming of the civic buildings in Waihōpai. Formerly known as Invercargill. Apparently, one of the Waihōpai Council administration buildings has been named Te Hinaki Civic Building. According to the Mana Whenua council representative, one Evelyn Cook, it can mean sustenance and nourishment, which is correct as it undoubtedly provides plenty of sustenance and nourishment to its inhabitants. The detractors insist though, that this fine name translates to “eel pot”, and suggests something slippery, evil and cunning. Who is right is still to be decided by the elected representatives of all Waihōpaians.

Perhaps they could also decide why an administration building even needs a name, but I’m not holding my breath hoping that this will ever happen…
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June 28, 2023 8:57am
- Ehlana
  
  Isn’t Waihopai where the spy satellite dishes are? I thought it was closer to Nelson than Invercargill.
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:15am
  - Taieri
    
    That Waihopai is without the macron and is located near Waiharakeke in Te Tauihu-o-te-waka, formerly known as Blenheim in Marlborough.
    
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    June 28, 2023 9:42am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      That’s why indoctrinating the population with Maori language is such a great idea. So easy to convey meaning with. It’ll be even better when all the road signs are done!! //
      
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      June 28, 2023 9:53am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Waihopai spy satellite is at Woodbine near Blenheim, their is a Waihopai river near Invercargill
    
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    June 28, 2023 12:34pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      The spy satellite to which your refer is situated in the Waihopai Valley, Marlborough.
      The Waihopai River flows past it into the Wairau River.
      
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      June 28, 2023 12:52pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I thought Invercargill was Muruhiku
  
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  June 28, 2023 12:30pm
  - Jack5
    
    A more colourful name would have been Inverkelly, for the Irish ex-convict from Australia who was the first settler on the site.
    
    John Kelly was “transported” from England to Australia at the age of 15 for stealing 13 yards of printed cotton. He was flogged during his Australian imprisonment. Paroled, he came to southern New Zealand as a seal hunter, and settled and raised a family, first at Bluff, and later what became Invercargill.
    
    Kelly’s descendants had a memorial gathering in Invercargill in March.
    
    The city was named after a leader of the Scots Presbyterian settlement, William Cargill.
    
    Cargill had been a captain in a Highlands regiment and fought under Wellington in the Mahratta war in India, and later, under his command in the Peninsula War, where he was wounded. Cargill then fought in the Battle of Toulouse in 1814.
    
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    June 28, 2023 2:13pm
Jack5

Invercargill’s Mayor, Nobby Clark, has been held to a draw as Southland battles on over the region’s small Maori minority pushing for renaming public institutions with Maori names.

Maori packed the council meeting, reports Left-wing Stuff’s Southland Times, as the council “accepted the bottom line of a proposal from Mayor Nobby Clark, to develop a protocol to advance the bilingual naming of the city’s civic buildings.”

Here’s what Nobby Clark initially proposed:

The “bilingual approach’’ should be taken with all new premises such as the new museum and proposed art gallery, but not to such heritage venues as the Scottish Hall, ICC debating chamber, Civic Theatre and Eve Poole Civic Library, Clark proposed.

Where a bilingual name was used, the English version should be displayed first “given the very small number of te reo speakers’’.

Councillor Lesley Soper was the councillor supporting Maori naming reported by the Southland Times. Soper was a Labour list MP from April 2005 to August 2005 and again from February 2007 to November 2008.

Stuff’s report today of the meeting:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/132426527/mayors-proposal-for-bilingual-naming-of-invercargill-civic-buildings-part-accepted–sticking-points-remain

This is mild indeed compared with Stuff’s attack on Nobby Clark in the Southland Times two days ago:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/132418111/invercargill-mayor-nobby-clark-called-out-for-creating-massive-racial-divide-with-his-antimori-comments

The Southland Times has lost much circulation ground in Southland, even in Invercargill to Dunedin’s Otago Daily Times.
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June 28, 2023 9:14am
- Vercingetorix
  
  Good grief. I can think of some other politicians to blame for racial division other than the mayor of Invercargill. 😂
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:21am
- Jack5
  
  Among public reported supporting Maori names at the Invercargill City Council meeting was Toni Biddle, who was an unsuccessful candidate for Invercargill Mayor against Nobby Clark.
  
  This is reported in the Otago Daily Times article about the council meeting pointed to by poster Taieri earlier in this thread.
  
  Biddle told the council meeting Clark’s proposal on Maori names was awful and divisive to the community.
  
  Biddle was city councillor appointed deputy mayor by Tim Shadbolt. However, she later resigned from the council.
  
  Stuff reported in August last year when Biddle announced she was standing for mayor that she had stepped down earlier citing a toxic environment which affected her health, and the challenges of doing the mayor’s job for Shadbolt while being deputy mayor.
  
  Stuff reported in August last year that, after leaving the council, Biddle worked as an advisor at the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment and has also received “strong mentorship” from two people from outside the region:
  
  “The mentoring had allowed her to be fit and well around mental health, she said.
  
  “This included doing exercise, eating well, having supportive networks around her, being able to identify triggers and having strategies to manage.”
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:46am
  - Taieri
    
    “This included doing exercise, eating well, having supportive networks around her, being able to identify triggers and having strategies to manage.”
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    So, the aspiring mayor of a sizable NZ city needs “mentoring” for simple everyday activities such as taking up exercise and improving her diet and to “identify triggers” whatever that means. And someone so inadequate in her own personal life presumes to lecture “the community”. No wonder the world is fucked…
    
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    June 28, 2023 10:34am
- kowtow
  
  Dunedin too .
  
  I have a huge problem with signage , that is meant solely to inform ( who exactly , as it hasn’t been a problem to date) that is now used purely as an instrument in the Marxist culture wars.
  
  ‘During a period of questions, council chief executive Sandy Graham said proposed use of Māori before English reflected what was considered to be culturally appropriate.’
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/lets-embrace-dcc-backs-bilingual-road-signs
  
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  June 28, 2023 11:18am
  - Jack5
    
    Graham’s early background was largely university librarian to “webmaster” to Dunedin council “webmaster” then steadily up through the organisation.
    
    She must have administrative ability, but what is “culturally appropriate,” a contentious issue, should be a decision of elected representatives.
    
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    June 28, 2023 11:56am
Maggie Pie

Sounds like Rawiri’s none to happy with Pakiha fashion-advice…
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> You will not wear a tiki
> You will wear a tie
> You will not wear your hat inside
> You will wear cheap warehouse shoes

https://tiktok.com/@rawiri.waititi/video/7248413760510119170

(ok…can understand his beef with the shoes 😎 )
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June 28, 2023 9:17am
- rockape
  
  He seems to forget how many of his scribble face mates are happy to dress up and dance for the Pakeha for a few coins. Now that really is degrading yourselves.
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:21am
  - Nickc2
    
    Did Hipkins take a bunch of Scribble Faces to China with him?
    There was a clip on TV about some kind of Maori War Dance being performed at the Great Wall of China with Peeni Henare in attendance. What was that for and what did it cost the NZ Taxpayer?
    
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    June 28, 2023 9:37am
    - Vercingetorix
      
      He took these folk to China:
      
      Te Kapa Haka o Te Whānau a Apanui, champions of the Te Matatini Kapa Haka festival
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/pm-chris-hipkins-china-visit-president-xi-meeting-today-xi-day/PCLCSVWEGFBSFGASN4AWBXO73Q/
      
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      June 28, 2023 11:55am
      - Nickc2
        
        No doubt the Chinese will chop the video up and post the pieces on TikTok.
        Did Mahuta take a dance troup with her when she went to China, or was she the resident clown in her own right?
        
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        June 28, 2023 12:43pm
    - Vercingetorix
      
      “What was that for…[?]:
      
      They are performing at the various meetings attended by members of the delegation.
      
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      June 28, 2023 11:56am
      - Jack5
        
        The Herald report of Marco Chipko’s travels to China says:
        
        “The powhiri, held at New Zealand’s embassy in Beijing, was one of the best seen on a post-pandemic trade or diplomatic mission.
        
        Aha! Perhaps the goal is to sell kapa haka festival series to one of the 22 channels of China’s TV giant, CCTV
        
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        June 28, 2023 12:04pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes, 40 Kapa Haka people on the junket, and unbelievably they welcomed Hipkins to China, utterly pathetic
      
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      June 28, 2023 12:35pm
  - kevn
    
    @rockape… even a free trip to Beijing. To welcome hipkins to the NZ embassy there.
    How cool is that.
    WTF?
    
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    June 28, 2023 9:54am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Curious interpretation of small print in the Treaty around how in effect all people need to dress or can’t wear 😉
  And interesting he thinks that taking off a cowboy hat indoors comes from the evil misinterpretations of treaty…..I don’t remember many paintings or pictures of rangitira having cowboy hats, nor Cook or other early explorer commenting on the Maori culture of cos-play.
  
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  June 28, 2023 10:42am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  He’s happy to wear those (dreadful) glasses that have the same pattern on them as the scrib on his face (camo glasses, who would have thought?) and a cotton tee shirt and a synthetic hat. I’m not sure it’s assimilation, but it sure as hell is cultural appropriation. Back to bare feet, a grass frock and a feather behind his ear for him. The hypocritical twat.
  
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  June 28, 2023 11:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I was taught that taking off your hat inside was just plain manners. Even if it is a MAGA cap. I do it. Even at the mall I wear is but take it off when entering a shop.
  
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  June 28, 2023 11:26am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Same here Steve. My dad would clip any lad round the ear if he wore a hat inside, it was just good manners he said. I’ve banned them as well. Both my daughters boyfriends will snatch them off as soon as I look at them now!! Lol.
    I belong to a working mens club that has a no hat’s rule. You get warned, do it again, you have to shout the bar.
    
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    June 28, 2023 4:15pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That was mainly because the Clubs usually had a framed photo of the Queen on the wall.
      NS Cosy Club was the same, do it again and get your checkbook out!
      
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      June 29, 2023 7:57am
Vercingetorix

I heard Chris Luxon saying he would never use the 757s as Prime Minister and that we “can’t afford” to replace them.

I think he is wrong. The 757s are not just there to give the PM a ride. They are a critical part of the transport capability of the airforce.

If the country can’t afford to replace 2 airforce airplanes, what does that say about what we have become? If he wins government he is facing a 24 billion dollar bill just to reach the 2030 emissions targets. He seems perfectly fine with this. And that is just the very beginning of the bill for “net zero”.

https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/120714/new-zealand-may-have-spend-%E2%80%98multiple-billions%E2%80%99-buying-overseas-carbon-offsets

It is this kind of thinking that undermines any emerging confidence in Luxon as PM.
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June 28, 2023 9:18am
- rockape
  
  If a C130 was ok for Maggie Thatcher to do the 30 hour flight to RAF Stanley and back surely it’s good enough for the NZ PM. PS when hers broke down she pinched my ride home so was stuck for an extra two months down there.
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:24am
- Cassandra
  
  Silly thing for Luxon to say. “Defence capabilities need an overhaul” is what he should have said. His understanding of defence generally is probably zero. Along with 115 other MPs.
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:36am
- Taieri
  
  They are a critical part of the transport capability of the airforce.
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  Do we still have an airforce though?
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:44am
- Ghost
  
  Actually words matter. And what he said was, and he is right when the country is in the financial shit it is in there are more important things than bringing forward their replacements
  
  Luxon says he won’t bring forward the current replacement schedule for the 30-year-old planes of 2028 to 2030, saying it should not be a priority in an economic recession…..
  
  “But the second thing is… We are in a recession that this government created and it’d be inappropriate for us to actually commit and spend money on new planes in a recession. And therefore my personal view is you travel commercial.”
  
  Asked how practical this would be with 81 people in a country like China, with a schedule shifting across the country, Luxon said there was a “whole range of options”, including charter planes.
  
  “These are ancient aircraft, they shouldn’t be flying that well past their use-by date.
  
  “We are now in a recession, and this will not be a priority in my government. And so the reality is whether you like it or not, we travel commercial, we charter aircraft, we do a whole bunch of other arrangements that are possible.”
  
  Article
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:44am
  - Vercingetorix
    
    “And what he said was, and he is right when the country is in the financial shit it is in there are more important things …”
    
    We will be in the financial shit for the next 20 years, at least.
    
    So why is he fine with the Government paying $24 billion in the next 7 years for ‘carbon credits’? This is literally like burning money. We transfer 24 billion to (mainly) developing countries in exchange for certificates.
    
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    June 28, 2023 10:18am
  - Cassandra
    
    If they are well past their use by date then they should be replacing them right now. They are not a “nice to have”. Luxon needs to think before speaking.
    
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    June 28, 2023 10:31am
    - Ghost
      
      So where are you going to get the money, borrow it? Take it from health, education, where?
      
      There are far more important things to spend that money on right now. We have five new C-130J-30 being built so we can wait a few years for these two planes
      
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      June 28, 2023 10:42am
      - Vercingetorix
        
        “So where are you going to get the money, borrow it?”
        
        Just in case you missed it.
        
        “So why is he fine with the Government paying $24 billion in the next 7 years for ‘carbon credits’? This is literally like burning money. We transfer 24 billion to (mainly) developing countries in exchange for certificates.”
        
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        June 28, 2023 10:49am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Or simply charter capability when you need it. Clapped out unreliable planes are a liability, not an asset.
      
      Charters are readily available.
      
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      June 28, 2023 12:08pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Yep. If they’re that bad then get rid of them. Imagine the PM’s plane breaking down out over the Pacific.
        
        It’s not as if there’s depth in the Labour Cabinet to step up to the plate.
        
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        June 28, 2023 6:57pm
    - Warren
      
      This coming from someone that fawns on every word David Seymour spews.
      
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      June 28, 2023 4:34pm
- kowtow
  
  I don’t rate Luxon at all .
  
  We do need real change .
  
  The only hope with the current stable is for a very strong Act party vote .
  And they’re not perfect either.
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:50am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @kowtow-
    I have respect for Mr Luxon as a successful, high level business manager. Is he good with leading people who are not his employees? Don’t know.
    If he stopped acting goofy at times and just told it like it is, he would portray a more positive alternative to the amateur-hour lot who have the power now (thanks largely to the support of the msm).
    And at least his deputy, Ms Willis, comes across as competent and knowledgeable about her portfolios- which is more than can be said about 95% of the Labour/Maori/Green Party ministers.
    Is she a leader with more popular appeal than Luxon?
    Perhaps not.
    
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    June 28, 2023 10:20am
    - kowtow
      
      I have a nasty gut feeling that some sort of back room deal/coup has been swung in the Nats .
      
      They had been polling very well under Bridges/Bennett , a reasonably competent and for the times suitably diverse , a Maori male ‘female couple .
      
      But it seems to me they represented the “right wing” of the Nats and had to be replaced at any and all cost , even crashing their polling . So we had the Muller farce , then Collins ,and now what appears to be a pair of leaders who’re on board with what can only be called the Globalist Agenda .
      And there’s plenty of evidence of it with the climate bollocks , the keenness to take up EV , the very simplistic “one man one vote” , when we actually need root and branch entrenchment of democratic values , local and nationally.
      His talk of boot camps and minimising but not ending cultural reports when what we need are more and bigger prisons , and much stronger sentencing etc
      
      The notion too that he’s Key’s heir is also suspect , that handshake business being a “signal” to the faithful . While Key was no Messiah either .
      
      I despair .
      
      But while I don’t agree with everything Act is about , they’re currently the best bet and constitutionally sounder than the wet Nats .
      
      ps when i say need change , I don’t mean change Lux , I mean the country is going in a terrible direction in so many ways and the Nats aren’t going to fix it .
      
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      June 28, 2023 11:31am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He said he wouldn’t use them, he never said they shouldn’t be used for the day job
  
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  June 28, 2023 12:37pm
ClanMcleod

Another aircraft has to return to NZ because of ‘fuel issues’. I don’t recall ever hearing this prior to the closing of Marsden Point?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/air-nz-dreamliner-grounded-more-passengers-complain-of-downgrades/GSHFNJVE5FBXLESR4H3CTHOF4Q/

Why is this country being systematically dismantled? Is somebody preparing it for a fire sale to someone? Hard to believe that any government could be as incompetent as this.
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June 28, 2023 9:59am
- JimBobJoe
  
  SCENARIO: Belt and Road initiatives.
  
  Run the country, claim we cant afford this or that…. ooooh look our big trade partner China, offers to build the needed infrastructure and lend us the money to pay their workers to do the build…
  
  (And in return we let them have a small military base in Northland at say Whangarei …. like some African countries and Sri Lanka)
  
  Far fetched? Hmmm maybe, but given the NZ Lefts pathological hatred of the USA I would think its a real possibility.
  
  Remember: Andrews and the Victorian State Labour Party were signing up for Belt and Road funding when it was killed by the Australian Federal Government
  
  Sydney Morning Herald reporting on this:
  https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/victoria-s-belt-and-road-deal-with-china-torn-up-20210421-p57l9q.html
  
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  June 28, 2023 10:18am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You are on to it.
    
    I’m sure deals are being organised this week in Beijing.
    
    – Do we really think that NZ can pull itself out of its financial/social/infrastructural mess all by itself?
    
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    June 28, 2023 10:38am
  - cmm
    
    I don’t think NZ has nearly the strategic importance as some of the other choke points: South Africa, Horn of Africa, S America and Sri Lanka.
    
    Perhaps NZ could act as a base in a potential China-Australian conflict, but there are other places much closer.
    
    It would, however, get NZ kicked out of 5 eyes which China might see as a political win.
    
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    June 28, 2023 10:48am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      What resources sit in the South Pacific and Antarctica CMM?
      
      In terms of Satellite tracking SigIntel gathering; what advantages are there to having signals bases here?
      
      Also a military base in NZ, especially in Whangarei & Auckland allows you to operate on Australia’s Eastern and South-Eastern flanks…
      
      Another: a deeper penetration of NZ society under current trans Tasman movement rules allows NZ resident CCP spies and IP thieves to operate from Auckland into eastern Australia very easily….
      
      I think there are a lot short to medium term advantages to the CCP in subverting NZ over and above the 5 Eyes angle…
      
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      June 28, 2023 10:58am
      - kowtow
        
        ‘I think there are a lot short to medium term advantages to the CCP in subverting NZ over and above the 5 Eyes angle…’
        
        Too right .
        
        If anybody thinks their United Front efforts aren’t being waged on the broadest lines across the globe that they possibly can then I’ve got a few seats in a once sovereign parliament going a very low bids ………
        
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        June 28, 2023 11:36am
      - cmm
        
        Sure there are huge resources in the Southern Ocean etc, but NZ does not really act as a choke point to control that. Argentina is batter.
        
        Sigint from land bases isn’t as important as it used to be. Satellites can do a lot, but there are some aspects where land bases work better.
        
        Giving 5 eyes a poke in one of the eyes would be a massive win though.
        
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        June 28, 2023 12:23pm
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Argentina and South America are possible a better option…. but they have a much harder to control culture and with an inherently chaotic culture looking from the outside in.
      
      NZ is a zombie culture… people here are very much sheep…. CCP good, USA bad…. thats all the Left and their sock puppets in the media need to chant for a decade to make NZ a vassal state…
      
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      June 28, 2023 1:18pm
- Vercingetorix
  
  It is very unlikely to be contaminated fuel. The plane was using more fuel than it was supposed to. The reason is usually a faulty sensor or, less frequently a leak.
  
  https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/air-new-zealand/boeing-787-9-heads-back-to-auckland-after-fuel-usage-discrepancy/
  
  Contaminated fuel is rare and results in dire problems. There was a recent problem with contaminated JET A1 entering New Zealand:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/130704297/contaminated-jet-fuel-qa-what-happened-and-can-you-still-fly-for-christmas
  
  However this was picked up before it got anywhere near planes.
  
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  June 28, 2023 10:26am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Yesterday:
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/the-police-are-lying/

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Invercargill-Mayor-Nobby-Clark-throws-weight-behind-Stop-Co-Governance-Tour-police-say-claims-peopl.pdf

This morning on play school TV1, there was an item on the stop co-governance meetings. The new report insinuated that those inside the meeting were the protesters, they were not. Shoddy reporting. This is what NZ has fallen to under Labour.
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June 28, 2023 10:03am
Grunter

For those that are interested in a decent Economics article. This one from Mises paints a particularly bleak picture on Money Supply. This is a big deal and has never happened in our lifetime. The Trillions of $’s of debt can never be paid back (mathematically impossible), interest rates are now gobbling up huge amounts of money, and the era of money printing has ended.
How bad will things get I wonder??

https://mises.org/wire/money-supply-growth-falls-depression-era-levels-second-month-april
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June 28, 2023 10:04am
- JimBobJoe
  
  It can be paid back in some senses – sovereign debt particularly is a mutable thing: Interest rate defaults, refinancing over longer terms, cancellation and the biggie – inflate your way out of it.
  
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  June 28, 2023 10:19am
  - mogg
    
    Inflate your way out of debt, that is what Robbo is doing now, we are paying for it in our everyday lives.
    It’ disastrous timing for them with the election just around the corner, but the MSM are playing along.
    Reports of 12% food inflation come and go very quickly, but stories about Tesla cars go on for weeks.
    Maybe people won’t notice that fresh veg has now become a luxury.
    
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    June 28, 2023 11:49am
  - Grunter
    
    JimBobJoe – in most cases cancellation is the only option left because the debt has become so huge. The EU and the UK only have this option left. And it’s scary when you look at who is holding their debt – pension funds, insurance companies, banks,…..
    No one really knows how this plays out, but history shows that there is no “soft landing”, almost always a catastrophe.
    
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    June 28, 2023 1:35pm
- kowtow
  
  It’s amazing isn’t it .
  
  It wasn’t that long ago decent politicians of both the traditional left and right believed in the importance of balancing the books .
  
  That was the orthodoxy.
  
  And yet we’ve just seen the most egregious assault on all things sane and rational with the covid scam together with the climate scam .
  
  Not to mention all their spending on their various wars of choice and the welfare budgets up in smoke on the massive waves of illegal immigration which they also refuse to stop.
  
  It really does defy belief.
  
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  June 28, 2023 12:02pm
- Keith White
  
  At our current stage I am beyond planning for an abrupt decline. I know that I can no longer plan enough to avoid much of the consequences of the inevitable decline.
  
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  June 29, 2023 3:43am
Inandout

‘We musn’t let those university staff be sacked so we will fund them so they can keep their jobs’.

Thousands of NZ Post staff may lose their jobs. Oh look, Luxon’s wife claimed an EV rebate.
Luxon’s debating is aggressive.
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June 28, 2023 10:09am
- cmm
  
  Labour don’t care about workers…. well not the Great Unwashed anyway.
  
  What they do care about the the people like them: the white collar activist “workers” in universities, consultants, etc.
  
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  June 28, 2023 10:50am
  - greybeard
    
    If that $128m goes on anything other than the sciences, technology, engineering, agriculture and medicine then it is just more money down the drain.
    
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    June 28, 2023 10:55am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    I thought it was a cunning plan to close the education department and fire Chippy’s mum before she can do any more harm!
    
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    June 28, 2023 12:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Today.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/an-alternate-maori-government-now-established/

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/John-Robinson-on-Alternative-Maori-Government.pdf
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June 28, 2023 10:14am
Suze Wainwright

Do all these cultural reports being written ever provide pointers as to what punitive measures might be culturally appropriate for poor behaviour, or is recognition of any crime at all simply a colonial construct?
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June 28, 2023 10:22am
- mandk
  
  I’m sure that in the good old pre-colonial days, any persistent offender would have been killed by the rangatira.
  
  Where else would Maori have obtained heads to shrink and trade with the whiteys?
  
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  June 28, 2023 10:52am
Warren

Kelvin Davis says all Oranga Tamariki concerns will be investigated, after Third elegation .
When is this Government going to be open and transparent about this as it has happened under this Government’s watch to many times without a conviction being put on record.
It’s time the Minister met his obligations in being responsible for these Children as he had no trouble troutmouthing the National Government when they were in power for less than what has happened under his watch.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132431232/kelvin-davis-says-all-oranga-tamariki-concerns-will-be-investigated-after-third-allegation
Kelvin Davis is all talk with no does and a liability to the children of Oranga Tamariki.
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June 28, 2023 10:24am
Tony Stuart

You can tell National’s sentencing policies as announced on Sunday have already got widespread public approval. Why else would Labour supporters be telling outright lies about the policies on social media otherwise?

Bee
BeeBeaumont@mastodon.nz بي 💙💛
@BeaumontBee
Luxon is personally going to intervene in the rulings of judges and magistrates if it’s something he disagrees with. Does this remind you of Russia? Very creepy.

https://twitter.com/BeaumontBee/status/1673605300476338183

It’s not creepy at all, and the idea that Chris Luxon would personally intervene in court cases is both completely and utterly false, and repugnant.

What National WILL do is amend the Sentencing Act, so that the provisions which allow judges to apply almost limitless discounts to sentences are replaced by a limit of 40%. Secondly, they will legislate so that discounts for things like age and remorse can only be used once, not over and over again.

But hey BeeBeaumont and others; keep on lying, if that’s the best you’ve got. Just remember that no many how many times you speak a lie, it’s still a lie.

And to Chris Luxon and the team; the majority of New Zealanders will be pleased with this policy, so keep up the good work.
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June 28, 2023 10:24am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  It can be fascinating watching how different narratives ebb & flow through the Twittersphere.
  
  Yes, whenever Labour takes a palpable hit from something, the vocabulary of their Twitterati takes definite turns and nuances
  
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  June 28, 2023 11:22am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes but many lefties are thick and probably don’t realise what he meant, they think he will be standing at courts up and down this country waving a stick
  
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  June 28, 2023 12:39pm
ClanMcleod

Here’s a juicy conspiracy theory to get your teeth around. From the UK covid ~~inquiry~~ whitewash.

UK COVID Inquiry Reveals Just How Vast International Communist Conspiracy May Be

Earlier today, former UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock, who advocated and led the use of terror messaging to drive support for and compliance with lockdown measures throughout 2020, choked back tears as he told the Government’s official COVID Inquiry that he is ‘profoundly sorry’ for each and every COVID death and hopes lockdowns will be ‘much earlier’ and ‘more stringent’ during the next pandemic.

One need not have a background in law enforcement to recognize that these are the words of an entirely unrepentant sociopath. Hancock’s testimony seemed to confirm sceptic’s worst fears that the COVID Inquiry is being used as a pretext to institutionalise lockdowns, and it marked an astonishing new low for the COVID Inquiry, which so far has revealed little of value and assiduously avoided asking officials why they found the horrific decision to copy China’s lockdown policy remotely appropriate—though the officials have openly admitted lockdown wasn’t part of any western country’s pandemic plan and have pondered whether any country would have done it had it not been for China.

https://www.michaelpsenger.com/p/uk-covid-inquiry-reveals-just-how?

Rinse and repeat for the NZ Royal ~~Commission~~whitewash.

But of course, this is just another conspiracy theory.
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June 28, 2023 10:31am
- I remember when
  
  At least the New Zealand Labour government haven’t resorted to a Covid-19 inquiry.
  They have continued to use the tried and true approach, that if you wait long enough everyone will get sick of hearing about covid.
  
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  June 28, 2023 10:39am
  - kowtow
    
    When you literally control the ( already very left leaning ) media , you have very little to worry about.
    
    Everyday they all bang on about treaty principles , democracy , well not so much.
    
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    June 28, 2023 11:40am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Au-contraire!
    
    There is a whole actual Royal Commission that started work in February 2023 in NZ.
    
    It’s just that the NZ Royal Commission (!!) into COVID has been told to pull its head in until after the election.
    
    And it has happily, and obediently obliged.
    
    https://covid19.govt.nz/news-and-data/latest-news/royal-commission-to-draw-lessons-from-pandemic-response/
    
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    June 28, 2023 12:15pm
    - Keith White
      
      Yep, troughers gotta trough. “We’ll lie, cover up, obfuscate, redirect blame and do whatever you want us to do, just keep the slops flowing.”
      
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      June 29, 2023 3:45am
I remember when

Conversation about the gender-change issue, with a reliable source, revealed that a small secondary school they knew of had three pupils change their sex in the last year.
Approx 1% of the roll.
Also had a daily attendence that was approximately 50%.
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June 28, 2023 10:32am
Maggy Wassilieff

It doesn’t seem that Mararama Davidson has been very effective in her role as Minister for the Prevention of Family Violence and Sexual Violence of New Zealand

“I am concerned that, after nearly five years working together under new structures, Te Puna Aonui agencies have not made more progress in the way they operate. This work needs more urgent focus,” Mr Ryan says.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO2306/S00239/work-to-eliminate-family-violence-and-sexual-violence-needs-more-urgent-focus-auditor-general.htm
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June 28, 2023 10:47am
DimChappie

Julian Batchelor doubles down on Kiwis arming themselves for civil war. This deserves highlighting – a very good point, why are police so eager to deny this:
”The Police Just Can’t Know

Yesterday, an article appeared in the Herald, with a sensational headline about guns and civil war
In this article, the police spokesperson said “There is absolutely nothing to substantiate the claims made at the meeting in relation to New Zealanders arming themselves,”

How would she know? Think about this. If they were tapping my phone, they would hear the calls.

I know they are not tapping my phone, and I know I am getting calls.

So why would the police be trying hard to play down the reality of people buying guns in preparation for a possible civil war?

The truth of the matter is – and this is what they ought to be paying attention to – is that if free speech is not vigorously protected in New Zealand, and preserved, tensions will continue to rise and the matter of people arming themselves for possible civil war is not only real and actual, but it will escalate.

Free speech is at the heart of the issue.

When people are denied the right to debate issues, to discuss matters of interest freely, in public, without interruption, then bad things begin to happen.

A healthy democracy depends on freedom of speech.

The police are partly to blame for people going out and arming themselves. How so?

They are, with rare exceptions, soft on protestors.

We have had some of our meetings shut down because of protestors.

We have had our right to free speech cancelled. No one is arrested. No one charged. No one taken away in a police wagon. No police seen dispersing the protesters telling them to go home.

What should the police be doing? How should they respond?

They ought to arrest and impound protestors, charge them, and fine them. They are disturbing the peace and shutting down free speech.

This would send a clear message to protesters that they have a right to protest, but not at the expense of stopping someone speaking freely, and not at the expense of stopping from hearing those who have come to hear the speakers.

For this the protesters have absolutely no right. None at all.

But the police do not do this i.e. what I have described.

Sometimes they actually encourage the protesters.

The media are also to blame for escalating tensions in New Zealand and the proliferation of talk about guns and people arming themselves.

How so?

They don’t defend Julian’s right to free speech. In fact, they whip up public hate and distaste for Julian, always portraying him as a villain who must at all costs be shut down. In other words, they fuel those who are intent on shutting down free speech.

As such, they are disgracefully irresponsible.

Conclusion?

People in New Zealand are going to continue to arm themselves, as long as the police and the media fuel the fires.”
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June 28, 2023 11:12am
- kowtow
  
  If they weren’t listening to his calls before , they will be now.
  
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  June 28, 2023 11:43am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Police say people arming themselves is untrue. That is a Police lie.
  
  https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Invercargill-Mayor-Nobby-Clark-throws-weight-behind-Stop-Co-Governance-Tour-police-say-claims-peopl.pdf
  
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  June 28, 2023 11:53am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2023/06/28/well-well-well-confidential-cabinet-briefing-paper-shows-ministry-of-truth-will-be-free-speech-garrotte/#comments
  
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  June 28, 2023 12:39pm
lemuzz

I hope those same people who complain about Luxton and Potaka buying an EV and getting the rebate paid for, by those who buy an ICE vehicle, will also complain about this totally unfair tax and shift their efforts to get it removed by voting this corrupt government out on 14th October.
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June 28, 2023 11:31am
- Prince
  
  If it is wrong for Nat MP’s to have the discount applied, is it also wrong for them to pay the levy when they buy a Ute ?
  
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  June 28, 2023 12:26pm
Swifty

“This is a disaster! It is obscene. It’s bordering on genocide!

We must at all costs preserve our ability as a nation to deliver things to people’s letterboxes!

All the staff are in shock and disbelief! They are all wandering around the mail-sorting halls like zombies and there’s lots of crying and hugging in the lunch rooms.

They just cannot understand why this soulless government would so casually throw away what has been built up over decades and will be needed when letter volumes return.”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/492701/less-mail-fewer-employees-needed-nz-post

The Postal Workers Union of Aotearoa need a few pointers from TEU reps on how to write a press release. TEU reps have made the recent university announcements of staff cuts sound like Armageddon is upon us.
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June 28, 2023 11:47am
- cmm
  
  The common factor is that both the postal workers and university wonks are losing their jobs because the internet provides a better, faster service cheaper.
  
  Why go through the pain of an Otago uni right-think course when you can learn more, faster and cheaper through a bunch of youtube videos?
  
  I predict that within 10 years, Otago and Canterbury unis will merge. Otago medical is already 30-50% moved to the Christchurch hospital satellite campus.
  
  There are a few other niche departments at Otago like surveying, which could join up with Canterbury civil eng.
  
  The rest could go through the shredder.
  
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  June 28, 2023 12:47pm
- Swifty
  
  Yes siree, university staff are the backbone of New Zealand….
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/492763/uni-staff-the-backbone-of-this-country-suffering-in-proposed-cuts-union
  
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  June 28, 2023 2:38pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/waikato/300915729/hundreds-of-waikato-bop-and-central-north-island-homes-caught-in-signoff-probe
Same guy who signed-off all those dud W.O.Fs in Auckland?
Close relative ?
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June 28, 2023 12:05pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The teetotallers are out again. The worst drug in NZ is not meth, it is alcohol. Then dak and tobacco.
A group of flakes at Otago Uni produced a study….. Get a haircut and get a real job.
Well alcohol is not an issue here, and I drink a truckload of it!
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June 28, 2023 12:11pm
- greybeard
  
  I heard an interview on Hosking’s program with this “expert” from Otago Uni re. the dangers of alcohol.
  
  It sounded more like a govt-sponsored exercise to prepare the country for a large increase in alcohol taxes !
  
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  June 28, 2023 12:16pm
  - Blog-aholic
    
    6.6% on July 1.
    
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    June 28, 2023 12:36pm
Nickc2

Biden brags about telling people State Secrets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZc1gTYzEU0
Has he given Trump a Get Out of Jail Free card?
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June 28, 2023 12:20pm
- cmm
  
  Sometimes you wonder whether Biden is just tired and wants to end it all and retire.
  
  What next? Pissing on the podium?
  
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  June 28, 2023 12:50pm
Maggie Pie

How dangerous is this?

Richard Dawkins writes….Adern’s government implemented a ludicrous policy – Science Classes are to be taught that Maori ‘Ways of Knowing’ have equal standing with ‘Western’ science

https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1673051014218350597
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June 28, 2023 12:27pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Dawkins is as close to genius as one can get. Ardern is the other end of the pole.
  
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  June 28, 2023 12:37pm
- lifesgood
  
  Primitive people’s mumbo jumbo. We really have reached gross stupidity. And as for Matariki, what a load of nonsense. The Greeks found that constellation thousands of years ago. You would think it was unique to Maoridom and New Zealand the way the country is going on about it. And giving it a public holiday! FFS.
  
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  June 28, 2023 2:06pm
  - Ehlana
    
    lifesgood, the Greeks didn’t discover the constellation any more than the Maoris did. The constellation is in the sky, bright and distinctive enough that probably every culture that ever saw it has a name for it. And lots of them held festivals timed according to movements of the sun, moon or stars. Why shouldn’t Maori do so too?
    
    Since Maori also live here in New Zealand, why shouldn’t we have a public holiday each year that celebrates one of their festivals? We have other holidays that relate to non-Maori festivals (such as Christmas, western New Year, and Easter).
    
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    June 28, 2023 2:52pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      The Maori were not in New Zealand 3000 years ago when the Greeks discovered ‘Pleiades’.
      
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      June 28, 2023 5:40pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Will the Polynesian deity who discovered/created geothermal power be outed for possessing slaves and only wanting said power to benefit ‘his’ people (rather than sharing it for the benefit of all aotearoa)?
  
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  June 28, 2023 2:36pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

From Russia with Love.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImNSMU0au5o
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June 28, 2023 12:59pm
I remember when

Kidney dialysis services ‘at breaking point”, regional patients forced to drive two hours for treatment: HB Today.
Some patients are driving for four hours a day, three times a week to access treatment because of a shortage of services in New Zealand.
A survey of 15 kidney dialysis treatment units found all had capacity constraints.
Half were chronically understaffed, had too few dialysis chairs or lacked physical infrastructure.
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June 28, 2023 1:16pm
- Inandout
  
  Irw, yet I hear another $50 million has been allotted to ‘troubled’ Maori yoof. FGS this is borrowed money.
  
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  June 28, 2023 1:57pm
- Ehlana
  
  Which raises the question of how close to home people should expect to get medical services, given that we allow people to live wherever they want to in NZ.
  
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  June 28, 2023 5:19pm
I remember when

Significant global storm to ‘wallop’ NZ with wind, rain,snow: Newshub.

Remember when it used to be a depression approaching from the south.
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June 28, 2023 1:27pm
Maggie Pie

Home D and permanent name suppression…..

This piece of pedo filth could be living opposite a Primary School for all we know 🙁

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1673603731143954432

It’s not wot ya know, eh?
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June 28, 2023 1:49pm
- lifesgood
  
  Is he perhaps a judge. The trouble with this name suppression is that suspicion can fall on a lot of innocent people. What an outrageous disgrace this is.
  
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  June 28, 2023 2:02pm
- Vercingetorix
  
  They are now called “minor attracted persons”. New Zealand academics are giving them legitimacy. This was a dissertation for a Master of Science!
  
  https://ir.canterbury.ac.nz/handle/10092/103509
  
  “Minor-attracted persons (MAPs), or individuals who identify themselves as having a sexual attraction to children are a highly stigmatised population. This study sought to build on existing research about the stigmatisation of minor-attracted persons (MAPs) by examining how the general public perceives MAPs and how this marries with how MAPs perceive the public to view them. We also examined what effect these perceptions have on the wellbeing and help-seeking behaviours of MAPs. ….
  
  ….We found that the general public had generally negative views of MAPs in relation to ideas of dangerousness, disgust, unpredictability and untrustworthiness. This was consistent with how MAPs thought the general public would perceive them. We also found that MAPs had significantly lower levels of wellbeing than the general public…”
  
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  June 28, 2023 3:38pm
- greybeard
  
  As I noted a couple of days ago: concurrent sentences and name suppression work in the criminals’ favour.
  
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  June 28, 2023 3:41pm
  - greybeard
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300916219/prominent-businessman-convicted-of-sexually-abusing-three-men-can-now-be-named
    Well, name suppression doesn’t apply to everyone: it seems that old white guys get their names and photos published ( OK, he was a creep ) but we all know the reasons for most crims to get anonymity.
    
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    June 28, 2023 3:46pm
    - Ghost
      
      Do we? Because daily I see maori photos in the media for crimes and convictions, guess they aren’t getting name suppression.
      
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      June 28, 2023 4:02pm
PeterB

Does anyone know if any ministers own shares in EBOS?
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June 28, 2023 2:52pm
Vercingetorix

They are still dropping like flies 🙁

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300915478/doc-boss-raised-concerns-about-kiri-allans-office-after-staffer-left-early

“Stuff understands that other senior public servants – including from Emergency Management, and the Ministry of Business, innovation and Employment – have also voiced concerns about how staff were treated.

It comes as Allan is on leave from Parliament, because she is “struggling with mental health and wellbeing”.”
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June 28, 2023 3:24pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Allan just got a promotion to associate minister of Finance as Wood finally got the chop for giving the finger to conflict of interest rules.
  
  Is this leave because Allan has crapped the bed in some way that has not yet been revealed and is trying to create a may-not-be-questioned narrative? Or is it just due to the normal (for Labour) level of incompetence she displays?
  
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  June 28, 2023 3:57pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It is time to call a snap election

Labour Ministers are falling like flies.

It comes as Allan is on leave from Parliament, because she is “struggling with mental health and wellbeing”.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300915478/doc-boss-raised-concerns-about-kiri-allans-office-after-staffer-left-early
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June 28, 2023 3:25pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Must be time for a media announcement/social media campaign on bullying by the National Party…
  
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  June 28, 2023 3:27pm
- Vercingetorix
  
  That is pretty funny – we thought of “falling like flies” 60 seconds apart. 🙂
  
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  June 28, 2023 3:29pm
- artemisia
  
  Pressure, scrutiny, staffing issues and workload. Not coping. Sounds like time for a less demanding job.
  
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  June 28, 2023 3:31pm
  - mandk
    
    They need fruit pickers in her East Coast electorate.
    
    It would be a healthy outdoor, low-stress job for her.
    
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    June 28, 2023 3:47pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Not at this time of the year.
      Tree-pruners maybe?
      
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      June 28, 2023 9:23pm
- Ghost
  
  Could you imagine being around all those labour MP’s and trolls. You’d want mental health leave too….. I just hope her cancer isn’t back.
  
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  June 28, 2023 3:37pm
  - kevn
    
    Be a toxic environment to work in. Being called out by an incompetent boss with personal issues, would be testing for any thinking person.
    
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    June 28, 2023 3:45pm
    - kowtow
      
      HDPA says KA is “known” to be ‘difficult’ , put that along with the RNZ debacle , and then this talk about problems in the office.
      
      Sounds like there’s ‘bullying’ involved , cos that’s what she obviously tried to do to RNZ .
      
      I won’t hold my breath while waiting for te media pardy to give her the Uffindell treatment . ie the unfair , nasty , blow torch that he got ,that on the face of it she deserves.
      
      Goose gander and all that.
      
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      June 28, 2023 4:32pm
- kowtow
  
  None of them gave a flying fig for the mental health and well being , short and long term ,of this whole nation when they knee jerked us into their un necessary lock downs , so excuse me while I couldn’t give a damn about any of this regime or for their media enablers for that matter.
  
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  June 28, 2023 3:40pm
- Prince
  
  Allan has just been appointed Associate Finance Minister.
  That would explain the mental health and wellbeing issues – just one look at the Debt/BoP/Current Account Balance/Spending promises/Welfare forecasts would drive anyone crazy.
  And apparently Robbo wants out shortly after October, either way.
  Poisoned chalice.
  
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  June 28, 2023 3:56pm
- Swifty
  
  This Labour Government has fallen apart.
  
  New Zealanders need to do the decent thing and put it out of its misery.
  
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  June 28, 2023 4:58pm
Vercingetorix

“A public service source with knowledge of the problems said “low trust and respect of public servants was [the] issue” and had been discussed among senior staff…”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300915478/doc-boss-raised-concerns-about-kiri-allans-office-after-staffer-left-early

In my experience, confident and competent Ministers do not abuse public servants. Sure they might get grumpy, but they do not indulge in bullying and abuse. The fireworks start when things are constantly going wrong. The easiest action is to lash out at the help.
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June 28, 2023 3:33pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Epstein did not hang himself.

https://twitter.com/Travis_in_Flint/status/1673717563358953472

The comments…. ‘Well it’s kinda obvious.’ Done as a gif by someone, but I think that is the truth!
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June 28, 2023 3:50pm
Ghost

Seems greens are against people paying a fair share for road usage, but are getting pushback on their Twitter account

Imagine the greens supporting policy that allows for poor people to pay for rich people to buy cheaper cars and not pay road usage. Greens, the rich prick party.

Green MP Julie Anne Genter has hit out at National after the party’s leader promised to make electric vehicle drivers pay road user charges if elected in October.

Christopher Luxon made the promise during an interview with AM earlier on Wednesday.

“We’re making great progress in converting our fleet to low-emission vehicles, which is making a huge difference to reaching our climate targets and it’s clear that National has no interest in continuing that,” Genter said in a statement.

“A National Government would send our progress on climate change back decades.”

While the stance proved contentious with the Greens, others backed the National Party’s plan.

“If you use a road, you must pay a share of the costs,” one Twitter user said.

Another called the plan “commonsense”.

“Excellent about time,” said another. “Everyone driving on the roads should pay their fair share of taxes.”

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June 28, 2023 4:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Want some real leftie bullshit?
US inflation down to 2.5% by 2024. Ok. 2024 is six months away you knobs.
Seems this news post was done with the same roving decimal point that Labour use in NZ.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/is-joe-biden-the-president-america-needs/ss-AA1d49pP
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June 28, 2023 4:10pm
Swifty

Not too long ago we had a concerted nationwide campaign from assorted lefties calling for Sir Bob Jones to be stripped of his knighthood because he wrote a humorous and satirical but non-PC newspaper article.

Will we see the same regarding Sir James Wallace after his unmasking as a serial sexual offender?
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June 28, 2023 4:53pm
- Ghost
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/government-moves-to-strip-sir-james-wallace-of-knighthood/TEPRTILSA5CSTDF6BAXIQCL2OE/
  
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  June 28, 2023 4:57pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  Yes, I expect so. The more interesting question is what the arts organisations that he’s been financially supporting, are going to do. Should they refuse any more donations, assuming he doesn’t stop them himself? Can they manage without the money, or find it somewhere else?
  
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  June 28, 2023 6:37pm
  - Swifty
    
    You’re a brave person Albert.
    
    I’ll wager you $100 we won’t see a fraction of the Jones kerfuffle and media coverage all calling for his stripping – and to be adjudged by the vote of KB commentators here.
    
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    June 28, 2023 7:02pm
Maggie Pie

Just been watching 1EWES…..

My partner recons the quiker they get rid of that Peter Bouchier poking his woke nose into the Depertment of Corrections, the qicker we mite see a return to laura norder in this country.
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June 28, 2023 6:37pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Why are you watching Government TV?
  Doesn’t your TV receive TV3?
  
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  June 28, 2023 9:27pm
Ghost

What a great recruitment advert, can’t see this would work in NZ, too many would complain

Time to Grow Up & Get Back to Work
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June 28, 2023 7:34pm
NZer In Exile

Aussie Government Admits the Green Energy Revolution will Require Lots of Coal:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/06/27/aussie-government-admits-the-green-energy-revolution-will-require-lots-of-coal/

I wonder how much deprivation and pain the climate true believers can inflict before the masses go berserk on them.
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June 28, 2023 9:30pm
NZer In Exile

And here’s a goody for your amusement:

Failed (Eco-Doomer) Prediction Timeline:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/failed-prediction-timeline/
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