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Mike

60 years ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_bin_ein_Berliner
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June 26, 2023 8:02am
- Simon
  
  Commies were not a viable alternative to the West. The BRICS are now a viable alternative to the DEI Clown World, the modern West.
  
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  June 26, 2023 8:17am
  - emmess
    
    Both kind of suck actually
    
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    June 26, 2023 8:20am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    I travelled through Eastern Europe before the wall came down. It was utterly soul destroying. Misery, fear, poverty, environmental disasters – it was hard to grasp how badly the people were treated.
    
    Seeing communism and socialism up close makes me so angry now when pea-brained academics, unionists and others advocate for us to follow such evil.
    
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    June 26, 2023 8:35am
    - kowtow
      
      Now it’s largely dressed up as eco stuff .And most of te media pardy are pushing it too.
      
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      June 26, 2023 9:10am
    - krazykiwi
      
      I will never forget going to a Skopje supermarket in the late 1980s. Row after row of empty shelves, and then one entire row filled with canned beans. 1000s of cans, and nothing else. And I didn’t have a can opener!
      
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      June 26, 2023 9:29am
      - Trev
        
        I visited Skopje in the early 1980’s and it was great compared with some Bulgarian cities at that time. Bulgaria was so backward it was hard to fathom. Guess that was the fruits of communism!
        
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        June 26, 2023 2:35pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Never got to Bulgaria. I employed a software engineer from there. Brilliant chap, and he had some horror stories of ‘normal’ life. As shitty as New Zealand is (or appears to be becoming) those Eastern Bloc survivors know the truth about socialism.
        
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        June 26, 2023 3:08pm
      - kisekiman
        
        We are on the way though, aren’t we? Eggs are just the start.
        
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        June 26, 2023 4:58pm
    - imalwaysright
      
      Sounds like NZ Tomtoddy.
      
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      June 26, 2023 11:17am
    - Jinky
      
      same here. Did Poland in 73 and Romania in 81. Dire indeed. People were friendly enough but scared of secret police. 1 in 3 citizens were informers! Nothing in shops unless you had foreign currency and it was a crime for locals to have foreign currency?? Socialism only works for those at the top.
      
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      June 26, 2023 1:49pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        “Socialism only works for those at the top.”
        Do you mean those who get a secret $24M payout and then RUN??
        
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        June 26, 2023 4:34pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        I was lucky, I did Russia (3x, including a Siberian oil town in the 1990s), Prague x 2, Hungary, and East Berlin all post the fall of the wall.
        
        Russia, was and still is a basket case. Siberia was depressing. St Petersburg was in desperate need of money. Moscow was corrupt. Keeping you nose clean was important.
        
        Prague was beautiful, but outside the tourist traps, not so nice. Hungary was the same.
        
        Berlin & East Germany, referred to by my colleagues as Dark or Black Germany. Because after reunification, it was a bottomless pit for funds to rebuild & make the states of the DDR equivalent to the states of the old GDR.
        
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        June 26, 2023 4:38pm
  - Jack5
    
    Simon’s BRICs as a “viable alternative” to the West.
    
    Brazil, Russia, India, China?
    
    In what way a “viable alternative”?
    
    Surely not life quality, otherwise everyone would be wanting to move to these countries.
    
    Economic potential of India and China? Perhaps, but they have a helluva lot of people’s standards of living to lift.
    
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    June 26, 2023 9:19am
- Michael Johnston
  
  Interestingly that quote literally translates as “I am a jelly donut.” It’s similar to saying, “I am a Frankfurter” to convey being a denizen of Frankfurt.
  
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  June 26, 2023 8:50am
- Local Miller
  
  You are a doughnut? Good on you.
  
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  June 26, 2023 12:47pm
Warren

It is a sad indictment on our younger generation when they can’t go to watch a rugby final knowing or thinking they would be safe only to find out that it is and was not the case after being attacked and bullied into giving their phones and passwords to machete weilding criminals .
How low can this Government get with their soft on crime policies and the amount of crime that is being committed in New Zealand with no consequences.
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June 26, 2023 8:06am
- Prince
  
  As long as there are senior Govt officials and media prepared to lie and distort to keep them in power.
  
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  June 26, 2023 8:32am
- kowtow
  
  A machete register will fix it.
  
  Speaking of which the media pardy have done a number of PR jobs for Plod HQ about the register .
  
  They were going on about how the police had busted a few cases of “straw buyers” . Well done ; but they did that without the benefit of the register .
  
  Now they’re saying with the register the straw buyer will stop , but could now resort to renting his guns to criminals ,again what benefit the register ?
  
  So the register will now create a gun rental scheme ( which the police admit to) and unless the criminal is caught in possession no one will know whether the gun used was registered or not ! Meanwhile between “jobs” the guns will remain very secure in safes .
  
  What’s needed is better police vetting of licencees and proper sentencing for serious crime .
  
  Could it be any simpler ?
  
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  June 26, 2023 9:00am
  - hullkiwi
    
    ….and you trust plod to keep confidential information safe?
    
    How soon will we hear the Register has been hacked and private info will be in the hands of those needing a ready supply of weapons?
    
    That could never happen in NZ.
    
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    June 26, 2023 4:42pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Axe/log splitter. Albany last week. Register those weapons.
    
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    June 26, 2023 5:10pm
- I remember when
  
  I have never been able to understand why the Police think 20-23,000 people at a rugby match don’t need their attention.
  Yes I know it leaves a lot of unattended houses while they are at the match, but surely some thoughtful distribution would cover both.
  
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  June 26, 2023 9:21am
  - imalwaysright
    
    The cops were on standby elsewhere in case a public meeting to discuss Cogovernance broke out.
    
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    June 26, 2023 11:30am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Orewa, Levin. Yes!
      
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      June 26, 2023 5:12pm
dave_c_

Forget taking two aircraft to China to mitigate issues arising from the failure of one !
Send them to China – “Here’s a waka – see you when you get back”
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June 26, 2023 8:07am
- Maggie Pie
  
  That’s our entire airforce!
  
  Better hope Xi doesn’t think it’s an invasion 😀
  
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  June 26, 2023 8:27am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The pathetic plan does not look good to the greenie agenda, by god i would love to know if a greenie mp is on that plane
  
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  June 26, 2023 8:53am
  - nathie
    
    Surely one would think that James “Airmiles” Shaw would be on that trip to look at “leading green technologies” (turbines and solar etc)???
    
    Mind you he did state last week that planting trees to offset carbon emissions was not a good look …. oh wait that’s what he does!
    
    Apparently Trade Minister Damien O’Connor and Tourism Minister Peeni Henare are on the trip, unsure about other MP’s.
    
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    June 26, 2023 10:11am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I think i can see Heneare in a photo, but he appears to have cut all his hair and facial hair off
      
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      June 26, 2023 3:48pm
Master Mariner

A timely reminder to the Total Disdain showed to NZ Seafarers overseas by an excellent interview by Reality Check Radio.

https://realitycheck.radio/captain-kevin-judkins-on-the-mistreatment-of-nz-seafarers-during-the-covid-lockdowns/

So what was all this for, Nada, Zilch , Nothing.

“Be Kind” my Arse.
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June 26, 2023 8:09am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Great radio station filling a massive hole in NZ media.
  
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  June 26, 2023 8:27am
- Taieri
  
  Missed out on a couple of great job offers because of “Kindness”. Haven’t worked since.
  
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  June 26, 2023 8:46am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Yes, her “kindness” finished off my business. Never recovered after that.
    
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    June 26, 2023 8:59am
    - mawm
      
      Don’t forget the value of your money that was stolen by Grant – eg value of your biggest asset; your house, and the continued theft of your savings and salary through his inflation.
      
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      June 26, 2023 10:32am
      - Ian Boag
        
        Inflation is not too hard on the house front. It gets easier to pay your mortgage out of the higher $ paycheque.
        
        Inflation all sorts of bad from other angles of course
        
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        June 26, 2023 5:14pm
      - mawm
        
        Apologies Ian for the report.
        
        Maybe you should go and reassure those on a fixed income that their house inflation is not too hard.
        
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        June 26, 2023 6:23pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Unfortunate to Hear Taieri, Same as myself. Resigned as Senior Master in a company of 140 Masters.
    All best.
    
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    June 26, 2023 9:10am
G152

So who is the trans student with family power enuugh to have a teacher sacked from his job because he didnt call the scrot the correct gender.
Is there anyway we can find its name and so protect ourselves and future workers from a family with such clout?

[Mod – do not even try to identify this person on this blog]
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June 26, 2023 8:10am
- Gaetano
  
  No you can’t find the name.
  
  What happened to that teacher would not have required powerful parents. Not these days. The parents may have complained to the Principal. Then the whole transgender fuelled disciplinary processes would have kicked in. Would not have mattered a damn who the parents are. The maths teacher was doomed. 😕
  
  A lesson. That can happen to anyone, especially anyone working in the state sector. Refuse to use the right pronouns. Doomed.👿
  
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  June 26, 2023 8:31am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Or;
    Hire a Lawyer.
    Keep your mouth shut about your beliefs and stick to the principle that speech should not be compelled.
    
    Once that teacher started a dialogue which included his own Christian belief he was screwed.
    
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    June 26, 2023 9:03am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Just to add. He deserved to be screwed over after what he said. He went too far.
      Sure he was probably provoked and goaded but instead of responding he should have walked away and used their words against them.
      The process is there for him too.
      Alinsky Rules- Make them play by their own Rules.
      He had a perfect chance to highlight the bullying by the transgender student and Principal over compelled speech but lost that Moral High Ground when he showed himself to be just as mental.
      
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      June 26, 2023 9:19am
      - WaveyDavey
        
        So while knowing almost nothing about it you believe he “deserved” it
        
        The “it stands to reason” fallacy
        
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        June 26, 2023 12:30pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You cant tell Students they are going to hell.
        There’s fault on both sides here.
        It doesn’t have to be one side or the other.
        As I said, both seem a bit nuts.
        
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        June 26, 2023 1:38pm
  - Cassandra
    
    Or go to the NZ Human Rights Commission which has just reported that Maoris are more likely to be tortured than anyone else. The research method is not identified but the example given is that they are more likely to be photographed by the Police. You might think that that is because they’re suspected of committing a crime. Rather than revealing a bunch of sadists in the Police, doesn’t it demonstrate why ACT’s policy of doing away with, inter alia, the HRC is eminently sensible? HRC boss Paul Hunt is allegedly exploring job opportunities back in England.
    
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    June 26, 2023 9:32am
  - I remember when
    
    As I stated previously the problem didn’t exist in my school attendence.
    Surname, no pronouns, the teacher was in charge and parents largely accepted their decisions.
    The questions would seem to be –
    1. Has there been an official change of sex notification to the school.
    2. Has there been any medical procedure.
    The whole problem is exacerbated by the loose legislation and approach to the gender issue.
    
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    June 26, 2023 9:40am
    - Gaetano
      
      On (1) – its the other way around. Under the Privacy Act, the school is prohibited from advising the gender of a child to the parents. So if a girl tells the school “I an a trans boy”, the school cannot disclose that information to parents.
      
      https://www.privacy.org.nz/privacy-act-2020/privacy-principles/limits-on-disclosure-of-personal-information-principle-11/
      
      On (2) – under the current law, medical or surgical treatment is immaterial to a child declaring that he or she wishes to change gender.
      
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      June 26, 2023 10:40am
    - Phronesis
      
      As of a few weeks ago you can just change your legal gender by filling out a form. Amusingly you have to be over 18 though or 16-17 with parental consent… or if under 15 a parent can do so on your behalf. https://www.govt.nz/browse/passports-citizenship-and-identity/changing-your-gender/change-the-registered-sex-on-your-birth-certificate/
      
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      June 26, 2023 11:20am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Surname, no pronouns
      
      Yep. Hastings Boys High – early 1960’s. Like that all the way to Year 13 or as it was then called “the upper 6th” …
      
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      June 26, 2023 5:20pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If the scrote and teacher are known, imagine the offence it would cause to other transistors and other religious Teachers!
  Everyone is so offended these days. Nothing happens when you are offended, you are just ‘offended.’ See Steve Hughes.
  
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  June 26, 2023 8:51am
  - Squinzy
    
    Hehe, love it! Is “transistor” the new name for someone who resists the whole trans ideology?
    
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    June 26, 2023 5:23pm
mister nui

Revised results from Round 1

Putin 1
~~Prigozhin~~
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June 26, 2023 8:14am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  I’m not so sure nui. Russia apparently lost 39 pilots and aircrew in helicopter attacks on the Wagner column, after they had, in less than 24 hours, captured the military bases in Rostov and got to within 200km of Moscow. And defence minister Sergei Shoigu and chief of the army staff general Valery Gerasmivov haven’t been seen since Prigozhin agreed to turn around.
  
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  June 26, 2023 8:39am
  - kowtow
    
    RNZ reports that the Russian MoD has successfully completed a complex operation to redeploy thousands of private military contractors from the eastern Ukraine front to north of Kharkiv.Thereby opening a potential new front in the special military operation to rid Ukraine of undesirable elements. //
    
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    June 26, 2023 9:05am
    - rangitoto
      
      Attack against Kharkiv would be a suicide mission.
      
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      June 26, 2023 10:09am
      - kowtow
        
        Putin’s invasion of Ukr is a suicide mission.
        Problem is he’s killing other people’s children but will get his comeupance .
        As to mr nui’s score above ; the mutiny will have mortally wounded Putin who has now been shown very publicly to be weak.
        
        yes Prigozin had better keep away from windows , balconies and cups of tea but Putin and Prig are now both on borrowed time.
        
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        June 26, 2023 10:59am
      - Don Beckett
        
        Prighozhin had better watch out for Putincide.
        
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        June 26, 2023 11:55am
      - mawm
        
        kowtow – so it was okay when the Ukranian military, specifically the Asov battalion, shelled civilians in the towns, killing and raping the women and children, in the Russian speaking areas? Putin has been particularly careful to protect civilian lives while the Ukrainian army continues to shell civilian areas (also across the border in Russia).
        
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        June 26, 2023 12:59pm
      - kowtow
        
        mawm
        
        I never said anything was ok.
        
        My bottom line is these issues should be resolved peacefully , civilians should never suffer for politician’s egos or power trips,
        
        The int’l community , EU , UN whoever should get involved early to head off war , destruction etc Ideally had a referendum in those areas to divide the land between the language groups , do population swaps etc
        But bottom line is Putin escalated a relatively small border war into what could potentially be WWIII and what is definetilely an infintiely worse situation than it was prior .
        
        And for the record , I always felt the west needed to give Russia room and help if needed to develop into a civil society .
        
        That clearly was never going to happen with all the kleptocrats in charge there and yes elements in Ukr may be little better , but Putin’s “solution” is not the way we should go about our business.
        
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        June 26, 2023 2:18pm
      - mawm
        
        My take on it is that Putin had no option after years of deceit and disregard for treaties signed (guaranteed by Nato countries but subsequently admitted they had no intention of sticking to them) and aggressive advancement of NATO eastwards. Killing of Russian-speaking people was his last straw. The US military/industrial complex have been wanting this war for decades. I think he’s the good guy here and the US not.
        
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        June 26, 2023 6:29pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Wagner also run every off shore Russian Base. Its estimated they control vast areas in Libya for instance.
    Putin cant afford mutiny in all those places.
    Does Belarus now have its own private army?
    Could be a win win for both those guys.
    
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    June 26, 2023 9:07am
    - kowtow
      
      Not just Libya .
      
      A map of the African countries they’re involved in looks like one of those old Cape to Cairo ones , only it’s mostly the Francophone ones this time .
      
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      June 26, 2023 11:01am
  - nathie
    
    Wagner has some formidable mobile anti-aircraft vehicle systems (the sort of stuff the Govt should be buying the NZ Army so they are not sitting ducks) and apparently shot down both helicopters and either a transport or electronic warfare (jammer) aircraft.
    
    https://defence-blog.com/russian-mercenaries-shot-down-ka-52-helicopter/
    
    https://defence-blog.com/russian-mercenaries-shot-down-an-26-transport-plane/
    
    https://defence-blog.com/russian-mercenary-shoot-down-government-helicopters/
    
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    June 26, 2023 10:19am
    - rangitoto
      
      Pantsir-S1 is one of the poorest performing AD systems in the war. However they are deadly against helicopters and transport planes that get within range. They have been a complete failure against the Storm Shadow cruise missiles.
      
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      June 26, 2023 11:16am
- mawm
  
  Mister nui – this probably is closer to the truth. https://twitter.com/KimPKAG4EVA/status/1672789250700374018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Escreen-name%3ATheLastRefuge2%7Ctwcon%5Es1
  
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  June 26, 2023 1:01pm
Tony Stuart

I spent a weekend in Wellington at the National Party conference. There were around 600 attendees, from every electorate from Northland to Southland. Right around the country, candidates are picking up a mood for change.

Chris Luxon gave an excellent speech yesterday with his Law and Order announcements well received. Among the highlights were Nicola Willis’ thorough explanation of National’s economic policies on Saturday, and a presentation on health yesterday by Dr Shane Reti and Matt Doocey. Reti made one of the comments of the weekend, saying that under National, Covid will no longer be an acceptable excuse for failures in health.

National is in great heart. I met a number of the new candidates from around the country and they are a great bunch, working their butts off campaigning. The Whanganui electorate team was also delighted to be acknowledged for our percentage increase in membership, much of which has happened in the last four months since Carl Bates was confirmed as our candidate.

Caucus is united behind Chris Luxon and Nicola Willis, both of whom gave outstanding speeches over the weekend. No one is underestimating what a fight it will be to wrest power away from Labour, but National is ready, willing and able. Advance voting opens in 99 days; bring it on!
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June 26, 2023 8:17am
- Simon
  
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  Good for Luxon & Willis. I bet they have their exit strategies, after six years in office, all worked out.
  
  Everyone else should also have an exit strategy worked out after 6 yrs of National. What follows 6 yrs of National will be horrific.
  
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  June 26, 2023 8:20am
  - rockape
    
    Funnny isn’t it that National in my 77 years have never been voted out after two terms. Labour on the other hand have only made three terms once !
    
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    June 26, 2023 9:14am
    - alwyn.a
      
      Really?
      If you are 77 you must have been born in either 1945 or 1946. At that time we had a Labour Government that had been in office for 10 years and had already won 3 elections. They then won a fourth consecutive time in 1946.
      Sorry to spoil your story.
      
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      June 26, 2023 12:07pm
  - Cassandra
    
    You mean a return to pathetic Labour? Surely ACT/National will get 9. Then 3 for Labour to phuque it up again and then 9 more for Seymour as PM.
    
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    June 26, 2023 9:35am
    - mawm
      
      When the adults come back there will be the necessary trimming back on the Labour largesse with our money. This will be unpopular and will drive people back to Labour for the free stuff and sheltered employment. One has to acknowledge that Simon has a point.
      
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      June 26, 2023 1:06pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Six years of this lot and everything has got worse.
    Health, education, the economy, crime.
    Prisoner numbers are down though!
    
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    June 26, 2023 10:13am
- krazykiwi
  
  I’m pleased you enjoyed it, Tony. All the energy aside, I can’t get enthusiastic about well executed socialism replacing badly executed socialism.
  
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  June 26, 2023 8:26am
  - plc
    
    And that is the crux of the matter.
    
    Operational adjustments rather than strategic rollback.
    
    “This is how the world ends….not with a bang but with a whimper”
    
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    June 26, 2023 8:52am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Thats the problem, if you regain the centre, then you have to govern for all, you have to decide if you want to take the whole society with them, or simply be pushed into the rich prick party that make many people sick, i simply cannot cope with the thought of Lab, Green and TPM
    
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    June 26, 2023 8:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ‘Well executed socialism’
    National need to get away from that (Labour Lite) but slowly. I want to see a strong National Party but not a right wing dictator party. We just had a right wing dictator imitator.
    
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    June 26, 2023 9:33am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Accept for some green policies, i really cannot see how they are labour lite [Mod – deleted], this government is our worst in our history by far, how co0uld they be compared in any way to this mob, they appear against every single Labour green policy, i simply cannot understand how they are labour lite, they will not have racial divide for a start and right there they possibly win.
      
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      June 26, 2023 3:52pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Luxon has been leaning to the left hoping he will pick up swinger/stupid people votes.
        He may have started coming to his senses.
        
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        June 26, 2023 5:17pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    I agree except ‘well executed’ may be optimistic. I expect ‘somewhat less badly executed’.
    
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    June 26, 2023 9:46am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I will give Luxon credit for their initiative on crime but a fail for climate change alarmism.
  
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  June 26, 2023 8:30am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Climate alarmism? their policy is to let science to the heavy lifting, the GM policy would be a huge help to this nation, and they have put the farmers emissions back 5 years, kick that crap down the road, but science will help farmers be emissions neutral and some sheep farmers already are.
    
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    June 26, 2023 9:03am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Depends where National get that science from.
      There are a lot of flakes on the bandwagon.
      The World is going to end in 12 years, we must do something.//
      Well let’s watch for 12 years, then ask them “What went wrong?”
      
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      June 26, 2023 9:36am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        No no, this GM policy will drop emissions by 30%, also some bugs in ground will help drop emissions down to 50%, none of these things will be apricated by the mob of benders
        
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        June 26, 2023 3:54pm
    - otago-man
      
      I think all grassland farmers would be in credit if grass’s carbon absorption was taken into account, which it isn’t, sheep and cows do not dig up coal and eat it
      
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      June 26, 2023 12:07pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Yes its crazy that grass absorption is not included. Shows how biased thing are.
        
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        June 26, 2023 12:42pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The C-sequestration by many grassland soils is going to be a damn-sight more than that of Tairawhiti’s pine-planted slopes currently sliding their way into the Pacific Ocean.
        
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        June 26, 2023 2:57pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        That is why Nat policy is different, not so sure about the grass aspect, but the GM grasses, the stock bugs that will reduce emissions, planting of trees back to 2000 plus riparian planting in nonproductive parts of a farm will make sheep and beef farmers carbon neutral and as i said before, some farms are now accredited as carbon neutral, not so sure about dairy farmers though.
        
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        June 26, 2023 3:58pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Some fields are planted for Hay. CO2 in the grass or the hay? Feed cows the hay and they fart LOL!
        It’s just a story I made up.
        
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        June 26, 2023 5:22pm
    - Gaetano
      
      “…but science will help farmers be emissions neutral”
      
      Do you have any evidence? I first heard that 20 years ago.
      
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      June 26, 2023 2:48pm
      - Matt Long
        
        It depends on what the “science” ignores.
        
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        June 26, 2023 4:12pm
  - Ignoranus
    
    If Curry could refute AGW she would do so in Nature or Science and win a Nobel prize, but all she has ever done is spin waffle – and you think it’s science!
    
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    June 26, 2023 9:04am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Curry, like others such Dr Tom Sheahan who recently visited NZ do not say CO2 does not contribute to warming but how much is the question. They also do not believe that some warming will be the end of the world.
      
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      June 26, 2023 9:14am
    - mawm
      
      Ig – have you not realised that science that disproves the current narrative is not published in any journal funded by the usual suspects?
      
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      June 26, 2023 2:34pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Great to hear, was RockApe there?
  
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  June 26, 2023 8:56am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “candidates are picking up a mood for change.”
  Let’s face it, more of what shit we have now is just not acceptable. NZ has to change. The left will not like the change, but that is tough shit. They had 5 years to make things good, and don’t give me that Covid shit. It was just a ‘new type of flu’ with the numbers massaged.
  Ardern will still be thinking this is not her fault. No more in the tank my left tit. She ran like a coward runs.
  
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  June 26, 2023 9:03am
  - mawm
    
    She probably saw the MoH data on excess mortality, cardiac disease and cancers. It’ll all come out in the end.
    
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    June 26, 2023 2:36pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
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  Tony Stuart – thanks for the enthusiastic fake news.
  
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  June 26, 2023 9:17am
  - Yabster
    
    says mister fake news…
    
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    June 26, 2023 9:44am
  - kowtow
    
    He’s doing something positive , unlike some.
    
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    June 26, 2023 11:04am
- Grunter
  
  I’m still looking for any new idea from the Nats. So far all I see them doing is taking us back to 2017 – which is a hell of a lot better than 2023, but still nothing new.
  Our health system in 2017 was a mess, now it has completely imploded. Did Dr Reti have any plan to actually fix our health system?
  
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  June 26, 2023 3:19pm
  - Ghost
    
    Was it a mess? The wait time for elective surgeries down here was minimal, and orthopedics were pushing public patients through the private hospital then transferring them to the public hospital the next day.
    
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    June 26, 2023 3:24pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Our health system in 2017 was phenominal compared to today. I had 4 plastic surgery operations on facial skin cancer from 2017 to 2019. Have been waiting since then for the finishing op, but was advised late last year that I have been discharged, so am left with a left eye that has a damaged tear duct and a lower ectropian (sagging eyelid) which weeps all the time, and I have had to tape it up for 4 years to reduce weeping & eliminate eye strain. Am presently haselling to get it sorted. Have had 2 meeting with 2 public hospital surgeons, & one with a private surgeon which will be funded. No decision as yet from any 3 of them.
    Go into high gear next week if I haven’t heard from an of them.
    
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    June 26, 2023 5:00pm
krazykiwi

The economic genius that is Paddy Gower has “No problem with a recession”.

Obviously, I don’t want to see people lose their jobs or businesses struggle. But if we don’t have the recession now, we’ll have it later. And it’ll be worse because inflation will be worse.

We’re in recession because moron’s like Gower provided cover for the most destructive government in our country’s history. Yes, Paddy, some of the blame for those people losing their job rests with you and your ilk.
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June 26, 2023 8:23am
- Gaetano
  
  I must say he is the journalist I most dislike and that is saying something.
  
  Who cares what he thinks?
  
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  June 26, 2023 8:42am
  - Master Mariner
    
    “Who cares what he thinks?”
    
    Is this not the issue, Because I have serious doubts about his “Thinking” and therefore Reasoning / Logic.
    
    Apart from that, Could not agree more.
    
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    June 26, 2023 8:50am
  - Media hater
    
    Good question – who cares what he thinks?
    
    I have him neck and neck with Simon Wilson on my most disliked NZ journalist list.
    
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    June 26, 2023 10:29am
- nathie
  
  Paddy Gower deserves to be lambasted and ridiculed for saying that …. in the same way as what he and his ilk would do to a “rightie” if they said something similar.
  
  Perhaps he should then face up to those that are suffering and say it to their faces. With the cameras rolling.
  
  What is he, another “closet” leftie “rich prick” (like the Minister for Shares) still cavorting around cafes and late night eateries because he’s doing fine?
  
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  June 26, 2023 8:54am
- Burtland
  
  🤡🤡🤡 paddy 🤡🤡🤡
  is there a word for the chief clown ?
  
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  June 26, 2023 10:11am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Yes Mr Burtland – “Luxon”.
    
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    June 26, 2023 11:30am
  - JerJer
    
    Sam Cane. Chiefs Clown. Is that who are you looking for?
    
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    June 26, 2023 8:15pm
Observant Octagenarian

I wonder if Ian Foster went down to the Crusaders dressing room after the game and congratulated Razor?

Asking for a friend.
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June 26, 2023 8:26am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Why would he? , he was not the Chiefs coach
  
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  June 26, 2023 9:04am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    True that G, the good news is though, Foster and his ineptitude will be gone after the world cup.
    
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    June 26, 2023 9:52am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Well, he will be gone, but i do not right them off at the world cup at all, and if France beat us first up which is possible, it puts us on the other side of the draw meaning no tough games and missing the harder teams on the way through, nothing less than the world cup will satisfy me, but iu wont knock him until he stuffs it up
      
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      June 26, 2023 4:01pm
- pdm
  
  Did Foster ever coach a Chiefs Team to beat the Crusaders – any time and anywhere.
  
  Doubt it.
  
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  June 26, 2023 9:56am
- Prince
  
  He wouldn’t be happy that Whitelock played.
  I wonder why.
  
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  June 26, 2023 10:11am
  - Colville
    
    Whitlock was a colossus in an underpowered forward unit.
    
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    June 26, 2023 1:06pm
Southern Raider

Can’t help but think that TVNZ set up Luxon and National last night and even that there is a mole within National

Seemed very convenient that the TVNZ reporter knew all the details about some Kelvin Davis remand change bill that got tabled in Parliament late last week
– what is the chances of Labour introducing a bill two days before a National conference that matches part of Nationals key crime policy, when Labour has done nothing for 6 years and National would have been working on those policy details for months
– what are the chances of a TVNZ reporter knowing all the details about a bill that was tabled last week, when two senior National MPs and Luxon had no idea of it
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June 26, 2023 8:32am
- Ghost
  
  Of course the reporter knew the details, you can go read it here https://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2023/0264/latest/LMS856343.html
  
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  June 26, 2023 9:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A mole. A NINO, National in name only.
  
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  June 26, 2023 9:06am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Southern Raider – Luxon knows nothing. He is the only reason National is not at 45% now.
  
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  June 26, 2023 11:32am
kowtow

The Ferald.

Medical event on rugby field , front page .
Die in police custody ,10 lines p5.
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June 26, 2023 8:33am
- ClanMcleod
  
  So reading that article, 4 young, presumably fit and healthy men collapsed suddenly in the middle of a game.
  The headline is very misleading. It says:
  
  Two Auckland Suburbs Rugby Club players suffer critical, life-threatening injuries in consecutive weeks
  
  From reading the article, there was no actual physical injury. They collapsed. Two of them had brain blood clots removed. No information on the other two.
  Of course, asking about vaccination status and checking for any involvement would be totally inappropriate……anything else will be investigated thoroughly. Full transparency and all that.
  
  Best wishes to these young men and their families.
  
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  June 26, 2023 9:11am
  - kowtow
    
    Makes the Ferald doubly hypocritical , given how they super hyped the Covid mania and everything that went with it.
    
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    June 26, 2023 11:06am
  - mawm
    
    We don’t know what caused it …….but it definitely wasn’t the covid mRNA stuff. //s
    
    The saddest part is nobody wants to look even if it is just to define the problem and search for a solution.
    
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    June 26, 2023 2:44pm
cas

Just looking at Chippie’s neat haircut on TV last night made me reflect that when I was growing up in the Hutt Valley a lot of people there were bogans so if Chippie is really a boy from the Hutt he should have a mullet.
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June 26, 2023 8:33am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He looks like a whiny whingy nohoper getting off the plane(s)
  
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  June 26, 2023 9:06am
Chuck Bird

I have just started it but am very impressed. I recomend it to Chris Luxon.

Climate Uncertainty and Risk: by Dr Judith Curry.

https://judithcurry.com/2023/01/17/climate-uncertainty-and-risk-in-press/
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June 26, 2023 8:35am
- Gaetano
  
  Wait until Chris Luxon wakes up to the cost of moving to “net zero” without any reductions in agriculture emissions.
  
  He has put agriculture off the table.
  
  Electricity is mostly renewable.
  
  So what is the plan? Has he set this out? I don’t mean word waffle. I mean hard numbers.
  
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  June 26, 2023 8:45am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Look no further than Air NZ and Net Zero.
    
    Here’s a wee “Teaser”.
    
    https://simpleflying.com/air-new-zealand-boeing-787-returns-auckland-fuel-issue-june-2023/
    
    Thats without looking at the “Murky” carbon credit data that Air NZ promotes.
    
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    June 26, 2023 8:54am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      We should be updating our oil refining capabilities, not tearing it down. These clowns have no concept of what the product supplies to society. It isn’t just petrol and diesel.
      
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      June 26, 2023 12:04pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        We should be updating our oil refining capabilities
        
        Who are the “we” and “our”?
        
        Seeing as the Marsden Point refinery was not economic – do you think we should have a refinery that the gummint owns? Or perhaps just one that the gummint subsidises?
        
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        June 26, 2023 12:49pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Ian Boag – ‘we’ and ‘our’ in this example clearly refers to the country collectively. I didn’t think it was that hard to comprehend? It’s relatively normal practice in writing.
        
        It’s critical infrastructure. Without it we are dependent on external suppliers and it’s looking concerningly as if the quality isn’t up to scratch.
        This has massive implications for our economy.
        
        As for it not being economic to refine it here, since when has economics been a concern of the current government?
        We’re not talking about ideological fantasy like cycle lanes and EVs. We’re an island nation at the arse end of the planet and we need to move products in and out to survive. For the foreseeable future, this is going to be done with fossil fuels. It would be good if it was a good quality product, as it was when it was done at Marsden Point.
        
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        June 26, 2023 1:08pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Clan
        
        I hear you. You haven’t answered my question .. should “we” have a state-owned refinery or just a government subsidised one?
        
        Either of these options will make fuel more expensive …. MP was a piddly little refinery with much higher costs than the offshore ones that supply us now.
        
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        June 26, 2023 5:32pm
    - mawm
      
      MM – Water in the fuel??
      
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      June 26, 2023 3:04pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        Very vague in the description. Mentions that they had a “Descrepency” in fuel monitoring, Which means only 2 possible things,
        1. Burning more fuel than normal
        2. Not enough Fuel on board
        
        What ever the case, Its not a good look.
        
        I would put money on substandard Fuel, In which case , Where was the initial checking of fuel specs ?
        
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        June 27, 2023 6:57am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Are you suggesting taxing methane – a trace gas?
    
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    June 26, 2023 8:56am
    - Gaetano
      
      You are missing the point. Doesn’t matter what I think.
      
      I am aware of the recent research that illustrates that methane has much less global warming potential than is built into the current UN accounting rules.
      
      I am also aware that it would take a decade, at least, to get those rules changed, rules which New Zealand was instrumental in developing.
      
      Therefore New Zealand’s obligations include methane using the current accounting rules.
      
      Chris Luxon has pledged ‘net zero’ knowing those accounting rules.
      
      He has also just taken agriculture off the table.
      
      My question is – what is HIS plan?
      
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      June 26, 2023 9:14am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        His plan is to look at the polling and focus groups.
        
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        June 26, 2023 9:16am
      - rangitoto
        
        I thought the accords excluded agriculture.
        
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        June 26, 2023 10:18am
      - Gaetano
        
        “I thought the accords excluded agriculture.”
        
        No.
        
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        June 26, 2023 10:43am
      - Matt Long
        
        The Princess said let them eat rainbows and cycle lanes.
        
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        June 26, 2023 4:28pm
- Ignoranus
  
  Luxon may be as thick as mince but he’s not so silly as to be seen favouring crackpot dribble over orthodox science.
  
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  June 26, 2023 9:09am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    So do you think Dr Cuury, Dr Sheahan and Dr Koonin promote crackpot dribble? I think James Shaw does and he refuses to debate as does most or all on the Climate Change Commission – one of whom worked for Al Gore.
    
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    June 26, 2023 9:35am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    “Orthodox science” – that’s practically an oxymoron.
    
    the meaning of ORTHODOX is conforming to established doctrine especially in religion.
    
    As with covid, the advocates and supporters of the fraudulent climate narrative are akin to members of a religious cult. They have faith, they don’t do science.
    
    “You can’t challenge what we said today, we are the professionals.” – The Science™.
    
    nekminut……
    
    “You can’t hold us responsible for what we said yesterday, the science has changed.” – The Science™.
    
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    June 26, 2023 12:02pm
    - mawm
      
      Never before in the history of the internet has someone chosen such an appropriate handle.
      
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      June 26, 2023 3:07pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Thick? really, as opposed to not knowing what a woman is Hipkins.
    
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    June 26, 2023 4:04pm
- Cassandra
  
  Ian Plimer good read too.
  
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  June 26, 2023 9:38am
Rusty

There was a moron reporter on One News last night who asked Chris Luxon following his get tough on the criminals speech that National voters might now be too scared to go out on voting day because criminals might attack them.

Can you imagine any reporter asking a stupid question like that?
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June 26, 2023 8:36am
- kowtow
  
  ‘a moron reporter’
  
  They all are.
  
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  June 26, 2023 9:17am
  - mawm
    
    Or cowards refusing to challenge the narrative with real science.
    
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    June 26, 2023 3:08pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Moron, oxymoron, what’s the difference
    
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    June 26, 2023 8:08pm
- graham
  
  Well, bearing in mind that just nine months ago Labour were running the line that they were considering cancelling their walkabouts on the election campaign because of the supposed abuse and vitriol “from a small sector of the public” – yes, I can.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/09/labour-considering-axing-iconic-election-walkabout-as-grant-robertson-reveals-details-of-abuse.html
  
  Remember this? Labour trying to blame the parliamentary protest for an increase in abuse and threats, and solemnly proclaiming that they might have to cancel doing public walkabouts on the election campaign. Grant Robertson taking the DPS with him to an event in Northland because he was so frightened of protestors – protestors who were armed with lamingtons.
  
  Gee, that’s a real escalation alright – we’ve never seen anything like that before. You know, things being thrown at politicians …
  
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2016/02/05/tpp-protester-boldly-chucks-dildo-at-steven-joyce-at-waitangi/
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/waitangi-mud-man-given-diversion/34V3NHXBK3TFVMGOX2UAHSZUVA/
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/john-banks-coated-with-mud-on-way-to-court/7IODVDL4NXP5LHQDYK7732AHAQ/
  
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  June 26, 2023 9:35am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Heh, IIRC Seymour made a comment about lamingtons being more in danger from Grant Robertson than Grant Robinson’s danger from lamingtons.
    It was pretty silly to make out they are now unsafe in public. As you show above, nothing new, but I don’t think Ardern liked the shouts of “F–k you, Jacinda” when previously she was venerated.
    
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    June 26, 2023 1:42pm
- Lance
  
  A no talent little smart arse, masquerading as a journalist, making that comment so he can chortle over a chardonnay with his chums back at Labour Party TV, boasting how he put the far right Nazi’s in their place.
  
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  June 26, 2023 10:18am
- Prince
  
  Suggested answer.
  It is a concern, particularly with the Gangs now running the streets. But we offer transport to and from the booths for our supporters, and we have people inside to stop any standover tactics.
  We’ll just have to protect our supporters as best we can. I understand the United Nations monitor every election, so we hope traditional democracy prevails.
  
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  June 26, 2023 10:18am
- graham
  
  Isn’t is racist to suggest that you feel unsafe walking the streets?
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/438697/national-s-nicola-willis-and-green-co-leader-marama-davidson-clash-over-racist-accusation
  
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  June 26, 2023 11:34am
  - Matt Long
    
    I think maybe it’s racist for a green mp to conflate crime with race.
    
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    June 26, 2023 4:32pm
ClanMcleod

For anyone who didn’t know what the fuss around Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine was all about. Here’s the Joe Rogan interview with RFK Jr. on the topic.

Ivermectin is often recognized – 2nd to penicillin – for having the greatest impact on human health. And its discovery won the Nobel Prize in 2015.

But its existence threatened a $200 billion vaccine enterprise.

“The Federal Emergency Use Authorization Statute says that you cannot issue an emergency use authorization to a vaccine if there is an existing medication that has been approved for any purpose that is demonstrated effective against the target illness,” explained Kennedy.

“So they had to destroy ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and discredit it. And they had to tell everybody it’s not effective. Because if they had acknowledged that it’s effective in anybody, the whole $200 billion vaccine enterprise would have collapsed.”

That’s it in a nutshell. It is a cheap, off label, effective treatment for very many things, but it threatened the whole covid vaccine industry.

https://vigilantfox.substack.com/p/rfk-jr-reveals-why-ivermectin-had

I had mine stopped at the border by the health authorities and was sent a letter telling me I was a naughty boy. So I had to buy the animal product instead, meaning calculating dosages with associated risks. Managed to do it without too much trouble.
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- Ruahine
  
  Here is the Official History about Invermectin. It is worth reading. Released in 2011.
  Compare this paper to the rubbish put out by Medsafe etc during the Covid scam in 2020.
  
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/
  
  Remember Wafarin actually a rat killer.
  
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  June 26, 2023 8:50am
  - Gaetano
    
    I take Warfarin daily. Otherwise I would quickly die 🙂
    
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    June 26, 2023 9:22am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Ruahine – thanks for that link. It undoubtedly is a wonder drug. The key point being, even if it did nothing to help with covid infection (it is an effective treatment) – why would the government order doctors not to prescribe it? Why would they stop people accessing a totally safe and potentially life saving product?
    
    RFK Jr. gives the answer in the interview with Rogan.
    
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    June 26, 2023 9:27am
    - mawm
      
      And that is why that interview was removed from YouTube. The drug companies have deep pockets and an even deeper reach.
      
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      June 26, 2023 3:16pm
- Master Mariner
  
  That does not exclude other countries, So with that in mind, Where was the advice from Medsafe and DGH etc.
  During this time, I was getting ready to go too India and was informed all Incoming Crews will be given Invermectin.
  This never eventuated in myself going however.
  
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  June 26, 2023 8:59am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Uttar Pradesh gave Ivermectin to their whole population in cheap home care packages. They also included a pulse oximeter, vitamin C, D3, zinc and paracetamol.
    
    They crushed the covid numbers.
    
    You can read about it here:
    
    https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-ivermectin-blackout—part-v-the-secret-revealed/article_9a37d9a8-1fb2-11ec-a94b-47343582647b.html
    
    Or here’s Dr John Campbell talking about it, this was during the period when he still fully believed the official narrative. His little toy dog on the window ledge has a mask on. That was when we knew he had changed position, one of his posts the dog’s mask had been removed!
    
    Of course, as we now know now with certainty, correlation is not causation.//
    
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    June 26, 2023 10:17am
- WaynelSexton
  
  The information was known before the vaccine roll out. To tell their audiences now does nothing, everyone is already boosted.
  Where were Rogan and RFK during covid?
  
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  June 26, 2023 9:09am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Plenty of people were advising HCQ and Ivermectin prior to the vaccine rollouts, certainly RFK Jr was.
    
    Rogan had no idea prior to vaccine rollout. Rogan became aware of it at the same time as the vast majority of people who were looking at alternative sources because they knew the covid narrative was fraudulent.
    
    He caught covid and spoke on his podcast about the treatments he had taken and the excellent recovery process.
    As with anyone else speaking out about it, the media attempted to ridicule him and anyone else taking it or advocating it as a treatment. They went to the extent of putting a filter on one of his videos to make him look grey and sick.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-py5344oJrM
    
    There are a countless examples. Search for:
    
    “Joe Rogan ridiculed for taking Ivermectin”
    
    You’ll see the level of abuse he was subjected to. That was in 2021.
    
    RFK Jr has been all over this from the beginning. But his views rarely made the mainstream media. Except to attack him and smear him for promoting ‘horse medicine’. The same happened to anyone promoting any alternative treatment like HCQ and Ivermectin. Vitamin D, C and zinc.
    Natural sunlight.
    
    There were plenty of people advising this prior to the rollout.
    Where were Rogan and JFK Jr during covid? They were there, doing it. You didn’t see it because it wasn’t permitted on mainstream media.
    
    This conversation is for those who trusted the narrative but who now are aware it was bs and are asking questions. More people are realising this every week.
    The propaganda campaign to push this narrative has been unprecedented.
    
    No, everyone isn’t already boosted. Not even close.
    
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    June 26, 2023 9:52am
    - mtamati
      
      https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/safety/Alerts/ivermectin-covid19.htm
      
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      June 26, 2023 10:25am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        “Ivermectin is NOT APPROVED to prevent or treat COVID-19, which means that Medsafe has not assessed the safety and efficacy for this use. Inappropriate use of ivermectin can be dangerous.”
        
        A pity Medsafe didn’t properly assess the (lack of) safety and efficacy of the covid jabs or the dangers they present.
        
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        June 26, 2023 11:07am
      - mtamati
        
        Clan
        …and as at today we are still getting, “this vaccine is highly effective at preventing COVID-19”, despite being provided with the Gisborne Hospital data showing that 70% of their fully Covid-19 inoculated staff had caught the virus and that some are now being reinfected for a fourth time.
        https://www.immune.org.nz/vaccine/comirnaty
        
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        June 26, 2023 11:49am
      - Don Beckett
        
        All they needed to do was contact Dr. Peter McCullough in Texas & get the results that he achieved in diminishing the affect of covid, and reducing hospitalisations by 90%, and this was months before the “vaccine” was availaible.
        
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        June 26, 2023 11:59am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        @Don Beckett – French Doctor Didier Raoult did trials very early in 2020 which showed HCQ was an effective treatment for covid.
        
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7315163/
        
        Of course, the moment he publicly announced this he was vilified and smeared in mainstream media.
        
        https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20211105-controversial-french-doctor-raoult-in-disciplinary-hearing-over-notorious-covid-19-tips
        
        This was repeated throughout the covid narrative scam. Doctors’ careers were destroyed, reputations demolished in a massive smear campaign. We’ve never witnessed anything like it.
        
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        June 26, 2023 12:16pm
  - RightNow
    
    There was abundant sources of information about this for those who looked, it just wasn’t spoon fed by the msm to you. In fact it was called misinformation and hidden from you.
    But it was being said from the very beginning, the internet keeps receipts.
    
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    June 26, 2023 11:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Who in the NZ Authorities were making the most noise about restricting or banning Ivermectin? Did they get nice kickbacks from the NZ Govt or the large drug Companies like Jaspinda did?
  
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  June 26, 2023 10:42am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Probably not Steve, In all honesty they were “following” the same narrative as all “5 eyes” countries.
    Too stupid to come too there own conclusion would be my pick.
    There in lies a clue.
    
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    June 26, 2023 1:19pm
Maggie Pie

Heard Chris Luxon on with the Hosk earlier.

National’s proposal to scrap ‘Section 27 Cultural Reports’ and instead put the millions-of-taxpayer-dollars wasted on them towards the actual VICTIMS of crime, sounds like a goodie.

Altho it might put a serious dent in the turnover of Harry Tam’s enterprise?

https://hard2reach.co.nz
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June 26, 2023 8:39am
- plc
  
  But, but, but….”they are not Maori gangs”
  
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  June 26, 2023 8:54am
- Southern Raider
  
  I was blown away by the Hosk reading out what Harry promotes on his website. One case was 6 years jail (so very serious crime) and with Harry’s cultural report it got reduced to 1 year home detention
  
  Harry promotes a wide variety of crimes he can help with including manslaughter, sexual assault, family violence and meth dealing
  
  Don’t forget this guy got $2M and a photo op out of Jacinda
  
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  June 26, 2023 8:58am
  - kowtow
    
    In the final analysis advocates can say what they like , it’s down to the judge to protect society and they just aren’t doing their jobs .
    
    They also proved how unconstitutionally they act by refusing parliament’s will over enforcing 3 strikes .
    
    We have , in addition to so many other crises and emergencies , a judicial crisis .
    
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    June 26, 2023 10:31am
- nathie
  
  Wow with the amount of $$$ that Tam has “generated”, will he be donating anything back to Labour?
  
  If so, seems like a money-go-round rort!
  
  If not, sheesh Labour, the gangs have screwed you over again and surely must be mocking you for your naivety!
  
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  June 26, 2023 9:03am
  - Matt Long
    
    Votes, I think Tan’s club is now an accredited branch of Labour.
    
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    June 26, 2023 4:41pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You would think some enterprising folks could set up a business writing victim reports.
  
  Shouldn’t be too hard to document the misery folks suffer when they are stabbed/raped/bashed/shot/robbed.
  
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  June 26, 2023 9:08am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Who would read the victim reports?
    And even if they were read, nothing would be done.
    
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    June 26, 2023 9:56am
  - Burtland
    
    the victims are the oppressing class/race/gender, just depends on the latest fad
    – there’s a flavor of marxism for everyone
    
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    June 26, 2023 10:49am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Bye bye Hazza, Harry Tam was Mongrel mob leader in Dunedin early 80s, he thought he was a bit different from the rest away back then, might he is Asian ancestry, not sure, but he certainly has some clout with this government, he flew around the country in early covid times and dropped of Rats tests to all mob brothers around the country, that is fact, the leader here now works with us and brought a box to us direct from Tam when we needed to test to come to work.
  how can he get these rights?
  
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  June 26, 2023 9:13am
  - Taieri
    
    he thought he was a bit different from the rest away back then, might he is Asian ancestry
    ————-
    
    He was different. Nothing to do with his ancestry though. He was/is a very smart guy.
    
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    June 26, 2023 9:28am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      He actually studied Marxist theory – formally
      
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      June 26, 2023 9:58am
    - Tarquin North
      
      I don’t think Jarrod Gilbert will be popping champagne corks either, He’s running a very similar operation.
      
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      June 26, 2023 10:20am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes, but he had that i am more important attitude, i remember him in the 80s, Asians do like to succeed
      
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      June 26, 2023 4:09pm
  - kowtow
    
    Same way the DCC gave rate payer money to other gangsters.
    
    ‘The Dunedin City Council is continuing to work with a trust associated with Mangu Kaha president Albert Epere, despite the gang leader landing in court for the fourth time since the arrangement began.’
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dcc/dcc-keeps-faith-epere
    
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    June 26, 2023 11:25am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Hang on, Epere won grass mowing contracts, it doesn’t matter as long as the work is done, i thought they dropped him when he went to jail. Tam was handed money for nothing, a bit of difference
      
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      June 26, 2023 4:12pm
      - kowtow
        
        Hang on ,my arse.
        
        He ‘won’ fuck all .
        
        He was awarded a woke bullshit virtue signal at the cost to honest hardworking and in many cases not wealthy rate payers.
        
        Fuck him and the idiots who give our money to organised crime.
        
        And the idiots who can’t see through what’s happening.
        
        hang on , pfft.
        
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        June 26, 2023 7:13pm
- Burtland
  
  is Harry Tam NZs Prigozhin ?
  government kickbacks, criminal background, elite adulation
  what could go wrong?
  
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  June 26, 2023 10:42am
I remember when

Nostalgia:
When a tranny was something we listened to.
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June 26, 2023 8:53am
Bridgenag

Sunday Strip: Ideological Language –
Controlling the narrative.

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/sunday-strip-ideological-language?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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June 26, 2023 8:54am
- Bridgenag
  
  Hey Mods Innocuous cartoon strip doesn’t need 6 hours in moderation
  
  [Mod – your post isn’t in moderation?]
  
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  June 26, 2023 12:44pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

While flicking through a cafe copy of the Post over the weekend, I noticed an extraordinary article about Tory Whanau. The gist of it was that she never realised that Council spending is locked in via the Annual Plan & the Long Term Plan, and therefore she’d be unable to deliver on her campaign promises until at least a second term (bad news, chums, she’s intending three).

I’ll give her one point for honesty. Perhaps, being a neophyte Mayor with no Councillor time behind her, it might be forgivable – though you have to wonder where the hard hitting MSM investigative journalism was before the election. But, it’s shocking that someone who was Chief of Staff for the Green Party has no idea how public sector financial planning operates.
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June 26, 2023 8:56am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Well she learned from the best. Wasn’t it Adern who, when challenged re her failure to deliver on any of her promises, said “at least we’re aspirational.”
  
  Well that’s nice……
  
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  June 26, 2023 11:42am
I remember when

Sturgeon – the Diary of a Nobody, Philip Patrick: The Conservative Woman.
“And yet all the while she flew high, kept aloft by the media who bought into the great stateswoman myth, or pretended to.
The empress desperately needed the little boy to point out her nakedness, and while some tried, they were always drowned out by the shrieks of the blindly faithful, the wilfully besotted and the comfortably beholden.”

Wot, there were two of them?
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June 26, 2023 8:59am
Maggie Pie

Rawiri reads from a prepared script on camera.

OMG – those VENEERS! 😎

https://tiktok.com/@te_patimaori/video/7243753602005667090
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June 26, 2023 9:21am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Jesus wept. Those veneers indeed!! I also particularly liked how the pattern on his frames matched the scribble on his face!! Every time you think you’ve seen the stupidest person in politics, someone comes along and takes that crown. Rawiri gets the crown, with daylight between his IQ and anyone else so far. He obviously hasn’t heard of the old adage “it is better to have people think you are stupid than open your mouth and prove it”. The clown doesn’t even know what “indigenous” means.
  
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  June 26, 2023 10:01am
  - I remember when
    
    What we think of Rawiri doesn’t concern him.
    All he wants, is for enough of the Maori electorate voters to think he is going to get retribution for past injustices.
    If all of the Maori seats were won by Te Pati Maori he would control the election outcome.
    
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    June 26, 2023 11:37am
- pdm
  
  `Rawiri reads from a prepared script on camera.’
  
  Is that not Colonialism?
  
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  June 26, 2023 10:03am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And you don’t get teeth like that from chewing on Moa bones either.
    
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    June 26, 2023 10:22am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    From what I’ve been told, te Ao is allowed to be very adaptable and eclectic – it’s quite okay to take bits & pieces of what works as they might suit…
    
    Be kind, don’t be racist!
    
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    June 26, 2023 10:35am
- OlderChas
  
  IMO just confirms that the guy is a lunatic.
  
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  June 26, 2023 10:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He describes Racism very well – his.
  
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  June 26, 2023 10:52am
- mogg
  
  Maggie please show more respect for our next Minister of Foreign Affairs.
  Vote Labour get Winston, Mahuta, Rawiri.
  
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  June 26, 2023 12:38pm
kevn

@Maggie… 5 seconds was enough. but, I noticed the bariatric surgery has even worked on his (previously) chubby chops.
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June 26, 2023 9:34am
Warren

Just a Question on why the National Party under Chris Luxon are creaming the political donations race with records being broken on amounts.
If this is fact how come the polls are not moving and the Labour Party Campaign Manager Mr Munro has stated that he is worried about the outcome of the upcoming Election results.
Labours donations dwarf what the National Party have amassed
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June 26, 2023 9:41am
- Warren
  
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/06/25/national-boasts-huge-funding-advantage-in-election/
  
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  June 26, 2023 9:52am
- rockape
  
  National supporters are really angry. Labour supporters are really disappointed in Labour and their failure to deliver.
  
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  June 26, 2023 10:38am
- greybeard
  
  Patience, Warren.
  The real action starts on July 14th.
  
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  June 26, 2023 10:58am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Sounds like this Mayor has both feet firmly on the ground.

Tonight Julian is speaking in a private meeting with influential farmers.
To attend this meeting call Christina ‭021 262 6175‬

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/second-meeting-in-invercargill-was-wonderful-mayor-nobby-clark-came-back-for-a-second-time/
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June 26, 2023 9:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I watch the second half of Julian’s live streaming speech.
  At 2 hors 30 min in he starts to explain the treaty writings and translations.
  The Littlewood Document and what happened to it. The 1975 Waitangi new translation and the tweaking in 1989. The bit about ‘forestry and fisheries’ addition by Hugh Kawharu.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Lm2ROsK0Oc
  
  I find learning more about the corruption very interesting.
  
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  June 26, 2023 10:26am
I remember when

Cows’ seaweed diet backfires as they produce less meat: Australia.
Feeding cows seaweed was introduced in Australia to reduce their carbon emissions.
Research suggests it puts them off their food, meaning they produce less meat.
A 300-day trial with 80 waygu cattle fed a twice-daily ration of asparagopsis, a red native seaweed, which prevents the formation of methane.
The Australian Agricultural Company told shareholders the seaweed didn’t appear to affect the quality of the meat, but had affected the quantity.

Will it work for our dairy herds?
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June 26, 2023 9:49am
- Gaetano
  
  I have been hearing about magic solutions to reduce dairy cow emissions for more than 20 years. There appears to have been little progress.
  
  Why would a country with:
  
  (a) 50 percent of emissions from agriculture; and
  
  (b) most of its electricity from renewables..
  
  .. agree to achieve ‘zero emissions’?
  
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  June 26, 2023 10:21am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Because the place is run by technocrats and ideologues without the faintest clue of how reality works or the potentially disastrous outcomes that will follow from following their fantasies.
    
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    June 26, 2023 10:31am
  - Matt Long
    
    People have been hating on cow farmers since Cain killed Abel.
    It’s one of those things like the majority in the MSM being rabid lefties.
    
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    June 26, 2023 5:53pm
- mawm
  
  Years ago ICI (the long ago) had a breeding program to produce low cholesterol beef. Unfortunately I had a “sponsored” dinner that included their beef. Apart from the awful taste it made all the consumers produce excessive “gas”. Probably we should stop trying to interfere with nature.
  
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  June 26, 2023 3:36pm
Maggie Pie

And for those who may have missed it?

What is an absolute MUST READ….. is ol BJ’s take on Meng’s sacking

https://nopunchespulled.com/2023/06/23/meng-foon-gone-at-last/

24Kt 😀 😀 😀
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June 26, 2023 10:00am
- kowtow
  
  My only criticism is he refers to us as a “multicultural society ” . Many people make that mistake , we are a multi ethnic society .
  
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  June 26, 2023 11:43am
Suze Wainwright

Seems the MSM journos who were quietly confident of another Labour-led govt at the start of this year (e.g., Trevett, Tame, Harman, etc. etc.) are now writing intently about just how close it’s going to be, but that we really do need more Labour (safe & trusted pair of hands, etc. etc.).

I’d say Tame is going to make damn sure his position is used to get the right messaging across.
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June 26, 2023 10:05am
I remember when

The UK Covid-19 Inquiry:
Module 1: Resilience and Preparedness.
Module 2: Core UK decision-making and political governance.
Module 3: Impact of the Covid-19 pandemic on healthcare.
Module 4: Vaccines and therapeutics.

What on earth would they need to have such a wide-ranging inquiry for?
Surely, like the our Labour government, they already know all the answers.
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June 26, 2023 10:17am
Chuck Bird

FYI

“Hence we are to believe that the most adaptable species that has ever existed, a species so sophisticated that it can survive in outer space, requires an absolutely stable average temperature and sea level in order to survive? This defies common sense.” (Environmental finance expert Mario Loyola)

Curry, Judith. Climate Uncertainty and Risk: Rethinking Our Response (Anthem Environment and Sustainability Initiative) (p. 35). Anthem Press. Kindle Edition.
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June 26, 2023 10:23am
Gaetano

Doesn’t this make you tear your hair out? 🙁

Tauranga roads are gridlocked because the roads are grossly inadequate. So NZTA says:

“Leaving the car at home is an option…. By providing better infrastructure for walking, cycling and public transport, we can help encourage other ways of travelling that are safe and convenient.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/bay-of-plenty/300909599/worst-city-in-new-zealand-for-traffic-and-its-not-auckland
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June 26, 2023 10:59am
- Handyman
  
  The Stuff article failed to mention Labour canned the upgrade of the road in question.
  
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  June 26, 2023 11:17am
- Inandout
  
  Gae, why don’t the moaners just move?
  
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  June 26, 2023 11:28am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Because they’re stuck in traffic
    
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    June 26, 2023 8:17pm
- emmess
  
  The Tauranga Eastern Link took a couple of years to build in the mid 2010s.
  The Bayfair to Baypark project which only is a couple of flyovers has been going for eight years (possibly not all have which have been construction)
  This tells you all you that you need to know
  
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  June 26, 2023 12:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“Empty cycle lanes were frustrating” Matt Cowley.
Why build the bloody things then??
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June 26, 2023 11:09am
- ClanMcleod
  
  “Build it and they will come” doesn’t apply to cycle lanes in a NZ winter. Another fantasy by the ideologues.
  Their next moves, already underway, are to make private vehicle use as uncomfortable and expensive as possible for the majority of people.
  
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  June 26, 2023 11:31am
I remember when

Sean Plunket charges: Police apply to withdraw unlawful publishing charges against broadcaster: HB Today.
In April, the 58-year-old broadcaster was charged with two counts of publishing a report of Family Court proceedings identifying a vulnerable person.
According to a document obtained by NZME, police have applied to the District Court to withdraw all charges.
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June 26, 2023 11:16am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This fight may happen. Who will back down?

https://billingsreport.com/zuckerberg-and-musk-deadly-serious-about-fighting-in-a-ufc-octagon-ufc-pres-dana-white-says/
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June 26, 2023 11:21am
- mawm
  
  Hasn’t Zuckerberg got some Judo awards? Anyway all Elon has to do is sit on him.
  
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  June 26, 2023 3:40pm
Littletramp

Has Chris Luxon clearly defined anywhere or even been asked, who is entitled to be considered a “maori”?
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June 26, 2023 11:26am
- mandk
  
  No need.
  
  The PM said in Parlaiment recently that you can identify however you want.
  
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  June 26, 2023 1:11pm
PeterB

I trust we won’t be dictated to on the climate emergency again by Chris ‘2 planes’ Hipkins going forward.
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June 26, 2023 11:35am
Maggie Pie

Rumors of a palace coo.
Anyone?
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June 26, 2023 11:39am
- PeterB
  
  Palace being Mahuta’s mud hut?
  
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  June 26, 2023 11:48am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Well, that may be not be too far off the mark either Pete.
    
    My partner was saying rumor at the Viaduct has been spreading faster than monkeypox at a gay sauna.
    
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    June 26, 2023 12:55pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

In more from the WCC stuff-up file, this morning’s local rag reports that the Golden Mile ‘revamp’ (removal of cars) cost estimate has rocketed from$78m in 2020 to $140m – before a shovel has been turned.

A block of Councillors is belatedly questioning this and the wider $7B+ Let’s Get Wellington Moving (the epitome of a Goebbels lie) expenditure. Though I note that it’s proposed only to defer a decision so LGWM can come up with a new plan (more consultants).

At what point do we simply chuck the whole thing out & continue with what we have?
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June 26, 2023 12:06pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Stop the presses!
  
  It’s been announced this morning that the Thorndon Quay revamp has jumped from $77m to $94m in just 16 months – that’s $1m per month my friends!
  
  Heroic is just one word to describe this catastro-bungle.
  
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  June 26, 2023 12:24pm
  - Ghost
    
    How about this increase
    
    The cost of the Scott Base redevelopment project has gone up by almost $160 million, with supply chain shortages, Covid-19 and the war in Ukraine contributing factors, the director behind the Timaru-based rebuild says.
    
    The project was allocated $344 million in Budget 2021, but since then, as costs have continued to climb, Antarctic New Zealand’s project director Jon Ager said it had been back to the Government to ask for additional funding.
    
    “The project has gone up by just under $160m,’’ Ager said.
    
    Article
    
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    June 26, 2023 12:30pm
All_on_Red

Sweden just dumped Wind and Solar and are going for Nuclear.
‘Sweden’s parliament on Tuesday (20 June) adopted a new energy target, giving the …government the green light to push forward with plans to build new nuclear plants in a country that voted 40 years ago to phase out atomic power.

Changing the target to “100% fossil-free” electricity, from “100% renewable” is key to the government’s plan to meet an expected doubling of electricity demand to around 300 TwH by 2040 and reach net zero emissions by 2045.

“This creates the conditions for nuclear power,” Finance Minister Elisabeth Svantesson said in parliament. “We need more electricity production, we need clean electricity and we need a stable energy system.”
‘Sweden’s parties agreed a deal in 2016 that new reactors could be built at existing sites.’
‘State-owned utility Vattenfall is looking at building at least two small modular reactors and at extending the life of the country’s existing reactors.’
https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/sweden-adopts-100-fossil-free-energy-target-easing-way-for-nuclear/

The UK should do the same. Dump the wind and solar nonsense and use reliable Gas reserves to transition to Nuclear.
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June 26, 2023 12:07pm
surfing

https://www.stuff.co.nz/bay-of-plenty/300909599/worst-city-in-new-zealand-for-traffic-and-its-not-auckland

Tauranga has been rear-ended by both National and Labour governments when it comes to roading infrastructure.

Not only does the government reap in tons of extra tax revenue from a higher population Tauranga, they don’t feel the need to put up the expenditure to expand infrastructure or services such as healthcare.

Even worse, they tell the people of Tauranga they have to have their roads tolled if they want them, which is why Tauranga is the highest tolled city in the nation, by far.

As for the traffic, my daughter drove to a school event several weeks back, took her nearly 2 hours to get from our house to the event (10km perhaps). 2 hours is uncommon but 1 hour to travel just a few km is not that uncommon these days.
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June 26, 2023 12:17pm
Maggie Pie

Just heard political reporter Jason Walls on ZB explaining why the needed to have a second plane follow them to Chynah.

What I’d like to know is…..why do they always assume the PM’s plane will only ever breakdown when it’s on the ground?
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June 26, 2023 12:38pm
- Ghost
  
  They don’t, they just haven’t told him that chief engineer Nanaia worked on the plane
  
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  June 26, 2023 12:41pm
- kowtow
  
  A modern antipodean take ;
  
  Chippy, the Red Baron’s Flying Circus to Peking.
  
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  June 26, 2023 12:59pm
- Dougal10
  
  Chippy needs the spare as he has heard the rumours about being rolled while away ,and has brought the spare so he can come home after tomorrows meeting with Xi
  
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  June 26, 2023 3:26pm
Inandout

A good ‘This is your life’ show involving Michael Aspell but my God so many people flooded in to the studio it was overflowing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vRdWJRkuzE

Uncle Tom Cobley and all.
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June 26, 2023 1:20pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

National’s last boot camp policy did not work so they have backed away from another.
Call it what you want, it is an apology to the crims. Bad bastards need to learn that prison or a boot camp is not a 5 star hotel at Waikiki Beach.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/national-learns-lesson-from-boot-camps-with-new-policy/ar-AA1d0SGN
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June 26, 2023 1:23pm
Surely Knott

What is my Ethnicity? And is the Health system racist? And how do they collect our data?

The Waitemata District Health Board patient registration form says:

“What is your Ethnic Group?”
Pick a maximum of 3.
The choices are: “NZ European, Maori, Samoan, Cook Island Maori, Indian, Niuean, Chinese, Korean, Tongan, and if your ethnic group is not in the list above please state……”

* Why are Samoan and Korean and Tongan listed as seperate ethniciticies? But Europeans are generalised as anyone from the entire continent plus Britain presumably.
* Why do they say NZ European but not NZ Samoan?
* Are the British European? They brexited and are on their own islands? Why aren’t British given their own Ethnicity in NZ stats when they signed the NZ Treaty not the EU?
* What if you came from America and you are white, are you NZ European. What if you are a black american who moves to NZ are you african or American. Is American an ethnicity.
* Why are Tongans using our racist colonised health system when their own country wasn’t colonised.

What actually is Ethnicity? And am I NZ European? Am I pakeha? Am I just a NZer?

According to Stats NZ: “Ethnicity is a measure of cultural affiliation. It is not a measure of race, ancestry, nationality, or citizenship. Ethnicity is self perceived and people can belong to more than one ethnic group.”

An ethnic group is made up of people who have some or all of the following characteristics:

* a common proper name
* one or more elements of common culture, for example religion, customs, or language
* unique community of interests, feelings, and actions
a shared sense of common origins or ancestry, and
a common geographic origin.”

**Is NZ European a recognised proper common name? I don’t think so. New Zealander is the proper common name. Do NZers “self perceive” as NZ European.
** An ethnicity shares elements of common culture and language. – Europe doesn’t share a common languages , they have many languages and different cultures and religions, and I don’t speak any of them. I speak English. But then so do most Maori NZers.
**Ethnicity has A shared sense of common origins or ancestry – well how far back. For the last 4-5 generations I’m from NZ. Don’t hold a European passport and don’t speak french. Don’t have any relationship with Europe. Don’t have any relatives that live in Europe or Britain. They are all from NZ.
**A common geographic origin – well that would be NZ. Same as most Maori NZers .
** Why are they collecting special data on Samoans but not NZ British. Why aren’t Samoans called NZ Samoan.

So what Ethnicity am I . Why are we being called NZ Europeans. Is that how you identify? Why is the whole of Europe smushed together as if the ethnicity of Sweden is the same as a Spaniard. But the ethnicity of Maori is different to Samoan. Really the data they want is racist. They want data on White NZers.

I think by Stats NZ’s definition, my ethnicity is a NZer. It’s a proper common name, it’s my country of geographic origin and that of my ancestors, I have unique feelings and actions for this country, I share a common culture.

And last but not least the Waitemata health board asks your religion?!, and your gender which has two options male and female. I thought Gender had many options. I thought gender was woman and man and non binary and other and Sex was female and male.

https://www.stats.govt.nz/topics/ethnicity

https://www.waitematadhb.govt.nz/assets/Documents/clinics-services/esc/4-Patient-Registration-Form.pdf
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June 26, 2023 1:32pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It alson asks ‘sex ‘ Male, Female.
  No place for twice daily.
  
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  June 26, 2023 2:12pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  My ethnicity is and always has been New Zealander.
  
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  June 26, 2023 2:27pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    And if you write that on the form how do you think they code it. Because the final reports we see in the news come out as European/other. Maori. Pacific. Asian. So they obviously put them into categories.
    
    So I suspect even if your write NZer they will still code you as European/Other.
    
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    June 26, 2023 2:36pm
    - KH
      
      I have some knowledge of this.
      The formal process is that if you write “New Zealander” the computer changes it to “New Zealand European”
      You are not allowed to be a “New Zealander”.
      
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      June 26, 2023 3:12pm
  - Ruawai
    
    Blog, start ticking Maori and you will be at the front of the queue.
    
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    June 26, 2023 3:42pm
  - Ghost
    
    Well the good news is you were born in a pacific island, so be sure your doctor updates your records to pacific islander.
    
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    June 26, 2023 3:46pm
    - kevn
      
      I re-registered at the local library recently and accidentally logged as a Niuean. It was a typo, the option being next to a NZer. The staff never gave it any attention and were quite happy.
      maori ID might deliver more tho…
      
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      June 26, 2023 4:58pm
Chris Nisbet

Listening to Luxon on The Platform today I heard him say that he’s committed to net zero (he’s looked at the climate science and accepts that we have to do it – sigh), but he’s not going to wreck the economy doing it.

Hands up who thinks that’s even possible?

I’ll have to listen back to be sure I heard him correctly, but I think Sean asked how much difference it would make to the climate if we achieved it, and Luxon basically said ‘none’. I don’t know what to make of that. A lot of people would agree with him on that, but you’d then have to wonder why we wouldn’t spend all that net zero money on useful things instead, wouldn’t you?

Oh well, let’s hope he’s serious about not wrecking our economy, and spends just a little bit of time thinking about how FF have made the world a better place.
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June 26, 2023 1:39pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The economy has allready been wrecked by Robertson and Jaspinda.
  
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  June 26, 2023 2:14pm
- kowtow
  
  Politicians on the “right’ have all bought into the idea that in order to trade we must join the club of loons .
  
  They all know it’s lunacy but go along with it.
  
  Cos polling and focus groups or maybe just they have to pretend they “care” about something , anything and it gives them the image of doing something anything.
  
  But the bottomline is they have no balls . Un like Trump.
  And that’s why everyone lined up to take Trump down.He had balls.
  
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  June 26, 2023 2:32pm
  - Dougal10
    
    It has been the mfat line for years, the pollies are being led around by a group of civil servants who just circle the globe talking to other idiots like themselves.
    
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    June 26, 2023 3:34pm
  - mawm
    
    I think it’s more than trade. The IMF/World Bank could raise the interest rate on our loans.
    
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    June 26, 2023 3:50pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Oh noes, sounds like Luxon is becoming a Climate Denier or a Climate Minimalist. Maybe he should just cop to being a “Luke Warmer”?
  
  What it means is that he thinks the AGW consensus is now so firmly embedded that he won’t/can’t argue against it.
  
  So the next best thing to do is copy the virtual-signalling voters in talking about Climate Change and talking about Net Zero in order to placate them and get their votes, stringing them along just as Labour does – but not actually doing the things that such an “emergency” would require:
  
  As his first act as president, Inslee declared a national climate emergency. As his second, he announced national carbon rationing. Until further notice, consumers were limited to one tank of gas per month. Based on time of year and regional climates, natural gas and heating oil deliveries to households were cut by as much as 60%. Utilities were directed to submit plans within the month to cut total electricity generation by 40% and to optimize their existing generation mix to use as little fossil generation as possible.
  
  About a decade ago I said (probably on KB) that rather than continuing to waste time arguing with the AGW fanatics it was better to just watch their fantasy solutions crash and burn, hoping that our tailgating the global leaders would eventually result in valuable lessons. It’s a risky approach I admit, and not as effective a lesson as power price rises of 2-4 times plus blackouts.
  
  But it is politically smart: let the dumb bastards continue to scream and then ask them if they really want petrol at $10-$20/litre, 204x power costs and all the rest. The voters would hate that, crucify any politician that tried it, and everybody knows it, even the Greens.
  
  Lessons for National from the Australian Power Crisis
  Energy Realities
  Energy Charades
  
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  June 26, 2023 3:52pm
- Gaetano
  
  “Hands up who thinks that’s even possible?”
  
  He is either a liar or misinformed.
  
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  June 26, 2023 5:50pm
  - Matt Long
    
    As Mike said yesterday that’s not necessarily an either or situation.
    
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    June 26, 2023 6:11pm
Maggie Pie

Things that make you go “hmmm”

I see while Chippy is in Chynah for trade talks, he’ll also be heading to Tiajin to attend the…..
WEF-Annual-Meeting-Of-New-Champions.

Perhaps he’s got a ‘book deal’ to discuss with Klaus?
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June 26, 2023 1:43pm
- krazykiwi
  
  If something includes WEF, or WEF-aligned acolytes then it will be bad for NZers. The less we allow our leaders to engage with the unelected global elites (aka aspiring despots) the better.
  
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  June 26, 2023 2:08pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Seems to be a new thing, even here in NZ.
    Having to deal with ‘unelected’ elites.
    
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    June 26, 2023 2:16pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    This explains a lot…..
    
    https://twitter.com/themefiles/status/1630722461099778049
    
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    June 26, 2023 2:24pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yip Yip!
      I’m trying not to be (the PM) Lie number 2020.
      Do you know who the Narrator is? An accent but so clear. He knows where NZ is heading. Chippie is just the male version of Jaspinda.
      
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      June 26, 2023 2:51pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Maybe he’s going ask Uncle Klaus if he can enroll in the global young leaders programme like Cindy did?
  
  Well with the state of the economy, he’s doing a great job making sure people in NZ own nothing – though not sure if they’re happy about it.
  
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  June 26, 2023 2:12pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Still own something, but I am not happy.
    Another socialist lie!
    
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    June 26, 2023 3:08pm
- kevn
  
  Xi won’t give hipkins 5 minutes.
  
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  June 26, 2023 4:26pm
Gaetano

Even by New Zealand standards this is bizarre and embarrassing.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132418130/govt-flies-spare-air-force-boeing-plane-to-china-in-case-of-breakdown

IIRC there is no replacement planned until 2028 at the earliest.

The wait time for new airplanes at Boeing and Airbus is about 10 years. That means they are back to converting used commercial planes for commercial use.
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June 26, 2023 1:53pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I tried to find info on this yesterday. The google machine was very quiet, I found nothing. Two 757s.
  Seymour said the out-of-date fleet was a sign the Government wasn’t investing enough in defence. Um David, the Air Force 757s don’t have any guns on them, they are only good for ‘escape.’
  So the old joke:
  Pacific emergency. America dropped tents and food. The British dropped medical supplies and small generators. Australia dropped building supplies. NZ dropped an intake manifold.
  
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  June 26, 2023 2:34pm
  - Mike
    
    It’s a long time since the British had any air capability in the Pacific. Try the French.
    
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    June 26, 2023 3:30pm
  - rouppe
    
    They’re also good for delivering troops to the area while the Hercules deliver the hardware
    
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    June 26, 2023 4:53pm
- kevn
  
  @Gaetano… Why did hipkins not fly on a commercial airline? We (NZer’s) might even have granted him a business class seat with pleb media and PR in cattle class of course.
  
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  June 26, 2023 4:25pm
  - Gaetano
    
    Because there are 130 people on the plane.
    
    PM + officials – approx 30
    
    Media – approx 30
    
    Business lobbyists – approx 60
    
    RNZAF personnel – approx 10
    
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    June 26, 2023 5:41pm
    - Gaetano
      
      Addendum:
      
      I get the point – with a delegation of 100 flying commercial would be a nightmare. There is no PM in the developed world who would fly commercial to do this. (No Australian PM in the last 60 years would have set foot on a commercial airplane – even flying within Australia.)
      
      But if there is a case for a 100 delegation, surely the answer is to charter a plane. Charter a Boeing 787 that can fly from Auckland to Beijing non stop with no issues.
      
      Only alternative is to buy fit for purpose military/VIP planes. Otherwise New Zealand looks worse than a joke.
      
      And don’t buy the “we can’t afford it” – the Government drops tens of billions on crap.
      
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      June 26, 2023 5:46pm
      - Taieri
        
        There is no PM in the developed world who would fly commercial to do this.
        ————
        
        Yes, there are. For example, Finnish and Norwegian pollies use either commercial or chartered aircraft. So do the Estonians. I’m sure there’s a private/charter aircraft in NZ suitable for flying PM wherever he needs to go. The rest of them such as lobbyists and journos can put their arses into normal seats and pay for the pleasure themselves.
        
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        June 26, 2023 7:00pm
      - Gaetano
        
        “or chartered aircraft”….
        
        You are agreeing with me?
        
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        June 26, 2023 7:15pm
    - kevn
      
      Block book early? I’m sure this has been planned for quite some time. hipkins won’t get 5 minutes with Xi.
      
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      June 26, 2023 5:56pm
      - Gaetano
        
        “Block book early? ”
        
        For 130 people? Nobody would try that. That is what charter planes are for.
        
        You think they are taking 130 people for a 5 minute talk?
        
        The choice is not between commercial flights vs the 757s. The former won’t work.
        
        The choice is charter vs reliable military air planes.
        
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        June 26, 2023 6:14pm
      - Gaetano
        
        He will get 30 minutes.
        
        Plus all the add on talks over a few days with hundreds of officials/Ministers/business folk.
        
        I am hardly a fan, but I recognise the potential benefits of such a visit.
        
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        June 26, 2023 6:16pm
      - Gaetano
        
        “The rest of them such as lobbyists and journos can put their arses into normal seats and pay for the pleasure themselves.”
        
        You are under stating the logistics of such visits. It does not work like that. I have been on three.
        
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        June 26, 2023 7:17pm
- Prince
  
  Our Prime Minister is a very important person and deserves to have a spare plane at his disposal every time he travels.
  Reminds me of the time last year that our plane was held up on the tarmac in Sydney for an hour because Ardern was late from a meeting.
  Those waiting at Wgton airport for an hour, at 1am, were not amused as she stalked, unsmiling and head down, through the VIP exit, surrounded by security.
  
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  June 26, 2023 9:35pm
Maggie Pie

OMG…the comments!

Some people can be just sooo cruel.

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1673130456110211079
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June 26, 2023 2:10pm
- Gaetano
  
  Yes the guy is a dick.
  
  But he has friends and family.
  
  You should not be mocking his death.
  
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  June 26, 2023 6:43pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Perhaps you could get yourself a contract writing ‘S27 Cultural Reports’.
    
    Quite lucrative from what we hear.
    
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    June 26, 2023 7:19pm
kowtow

Good on the feral cat comp people .

Feral cats do so much damage to the environment .

As to thye so called animal lovers who’re opposed ; think of the birds!
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June 26, 2023 2:45pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Birds and rubbish bags – although we have bins now.
  I have seen larger dogs trying to tip over a bin – just like cow tipping!
  
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  June 26, 2023 3:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

How would Special K deal with this one?

https://rantsofizzo.com/dominick/infant-left-alone-to-die-while-mother-goes-on-8-day-vacation/
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June 26, 2023 3:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Here chook chook chook. Head on the block and bang with an axe. Yeah, I grew up on a farm. So let’s get some super fresh chicken.

https://rantsofizzo.com/dominick/a-step-too-far-u-s-approves-sale-of-lab-grown-chicken-meat-in-unsettling-precedent/

Safe and effective right? Is this the next lie where you have no reparation?
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June 26, 2023 3:22pm
- Mike
  
  No one will force you to eat ‘lab-grown’ meat. Steve. You greenies will still be able to buy organic, free-range chickens which have only been fed a GM-free diet with no fluoridated or chlorinated water.
  
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  June 26, 2023 3:28pm
  - Gaetano
    
    Why do you need to turn everything into some culture war? What is wrong with you?
    
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    June 26, 2023 6:29pm
Maggie Pie

Well I don’t find it anything to larf at 🙁

https://twitter.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1673070080429805570

“Was it them again Yogi?”
“It’s always them Boo Boo”
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June 26, 2023 3:39pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  You’d think that it wouldn’t be hard to find the creep that knocked over the portable toilet with the girl inside and deal to him appropriately.
  
  Twitter would know who posted the video and take it from there.
  
  Disgusting people like that need to learn that there can be repercussions for your actions.
  
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  June 26, 2023 5:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sweetwaters 1980. I was there I think.
  Line of portaloos went down like dominoes, about 8 or 10.
  People came out screaming!
  
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  June 27, 2023 7:55am
Ghost

Whoops. I guess someone who writes about dishonesty has to have experience in it….

In an ironic twist in the world of behavioral science, a Harvard professor who studies honesty has been accused of data fraud.

Over the last few weeks, allegations have surfaced against Francesca Gino, a prominent Harvard Business School (HBS) professor who has been accused of falsifying results in several behavioral science studies.

Article
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June 26, 2023 3:58pm
Hugh Jarse

So after pissing away billions of dollars for no or little in the way of outcomes the lefties are now concerned over National spending money to keep repeat offenders in prison which are about 20-30% empty anyway. Most crims used to have upwards of 30 convictions before they hit prison, so any thought of prison creating them is BS, they were already well down that track. Fat chance of rehabbing them.

But while they are in prison they can’t commit crimes, killing, injuring and thieving, costing billions every year. So overall prison is a place to keep bad people who want to do bad things and protect the public from them. Although an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff, it’s money well spent in my view. The other area to address while incarcerating the recidivist adults is stopping the kids getting involved in the first place, detect them early and deter them by placing consequences on them showing them there are consequences for actions. The current catch and release policy in place at the moment will only damage them further.
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June 26, 2023 4:03pm
- krazykiwi
  
  “The other area to address while incarcerating the recidivist adults is stopping the kids getting involved in the first place”
  
  Agree. First-time (low-level) offending kids get a warning, and a supervised watching of a 30min video of what awaits them on a second offence. Second offence they get a few days in a shitty prison. Crap food, no screens, just books to read, and solitary exercise. Then some counselling on the way out about their options for freedom, or if they screw up, a third and longer stint. Kids who have never learned about cause and effect, not about the concept of a social contract need to learn somehow. And the status quo is failing them, and us.
  
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  June 26, 2023 4:59pm
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    Well said!
    
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    June 26, 2023 5:18pm
Maggie Pie

Another $5,000,000 of taxpayers money being squandered!

Bet the Liquidators of Ruapehu-Alpine-Lifts will have Kiri on their Xmas Card list.

SHEESH!!
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June 26, 2023 4:22pm
- Ghost
  
  I would like to know how that government voted on the proposals last week. Did they vote against them? And did they do so with the intention of making sure this collapses so they can hand it over to maori?
  
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  June 26, 2023 4:38pm
  - rouppe
    
    There were three resolutions:
    Resolution A: Go with RSSA bid
    Resolution B: Go ith the MBIE-organised bid comprising WHL and PTL
    Resolution C: The default if neither of the prior resolutions passes.
    
    Resolutions voted on in order. First one to pass wins. To win you needed 50% or more of the voters, and you needed those voters to represent 75% or more of the debt.
    
    MBIE and ANZ own most of the debt (because apparently a Life Pass with 50 years to run on it is only worth $2500 when it would take some $15,000-$20,000 to replace with season passes).
    
    So:
    Resolution A receives some 75% of voters, but only about 10% of debt, because MBIE and ANZ voted against it and most Life Pass Holders voted for it.
    
    Resolution B received some 44% of voters and (I can’t remember, well over) 75% of the debt because MBIE and ANZ voted for this, but a lesser number of Life Pass Holders voted for this.
    
    So each failed, but for a different reason. Hence option C.
    
    Crucially, MBIE didn’t turn up to the watershed, and when I asked why MBIE wouldn’t forgive the same debt for RSSA as they would for WHL/PTL, a Chapmann Tripp lawyer stood up and said nothing valuable.
    
    So now we have a scramble
    
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    June 26, 2023 4:50pm
- Gaetano
  
  Why is commercial ski lifts the business of government?
  
  I heard on the radio the Acting PM telling us it is a “taonga”. Honestly, unless we erase this madness New Zealand is finished.
  
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  June 26, 2023 6:46pm
  - Burtland
    
    Labour tells us to trust the science of climate change, then bails out a ski field.
    – is this the same as Boris partying in a pandemic?
    
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    June 26, 2023 8:13pm
Ghost

I have a neighbour who is a hoarder. Spends all his benefit buying shit he does not need, shit that sits around the property rusting, then he goes to the food bank for his shopping.

Acting Prime Minister Carmel Sepuloni has announced a $6 million boost for food banks, as big ticket cost of living measures – fuel tax cuts and half-priced public fares – come to an end.

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June 26, 2023 4:36pm
- Swifty
  
  Labour funding food banks is a total admission of failure.
  
  It just totally and completely sums up their abject failure over the last six years.
  
  A prosperous New Zealand? Not under a Labour Government.
  
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  June 26, 2023 5:23pm
Jack5

Labour keeps throwing the cash about …

Now it’s a podcast on “good sex”, financed by New Zealand On Air in conjunction with Hell pizza.

https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/the-good-sex-project-podcast/
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June 26, 2023 4:38pm
- Ghost
  
  I wonder if the downvoter has rushed to stuff to try and learn how to have good sex, I guess it would depend on if there is a guide there for their hand.
  
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  June 26, 2023 4:53pm
kowtow

HDPA has “life long ” so called Black Power member Denis Reilly on talking about cultural reports.

As long as we lend any legitimacy to these people we will continue to have a crime problem.

Disgusting.
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June 26, 2023 5:10pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Said he was getting 3k a pop!
  
  Nice work if you can get it 😎
  
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  June 26, 2023 6:24pm
  - kowtow
    
    Yeah I had to turn it off , won’t listen to the likes of that .
    
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    June 26, 2023 7:18pm
Swifty

Tell us something we don’t know.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hDoKkN08OdQ

Conservative women are more physically attractive than lefty women.
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June 26, 2023 5:18pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Joe.
United Spot vid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXdicf_R4zQ&ab_channel=TheUnitedSpot
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June 26, 2023 5:42pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300914023/i-just-lost-it-uncles-words-to-police-after-baby-chance-died
I say “shoot him”. He deserves no consideration.
I am a grandfather to 5 wonderful kids: I cannot conceive what I would do if someone hurt any of them.
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June 26, 2023 6:21pm
Maggie Pie

Wonder if our ‘Justice Minister’ has caught up with whats going on in Oz between PWC and the government over there?

Asking for a friend.
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June 26, 2023 6:22pm
Surely Knott

Why does NZ health measure outcomes based on your gender, ethnicity and age.
But crash fatalities are only gender and age.

Road Fatalities between 2022 – 2018 have also only been Male or Female according to Transport Stats. Are non-Binary people better drivers? Are they just sticking non- Binary people in a Male or Female category. If you are assigned a sex at birth are you also assigned one at death.

https://www.transport.govt.nz/statistics-and-insights/safety-road-deaths/provisional-road-deaths/
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June 26, 2023 6:36pm
Ghost

Hmm, so will this mean with falling numbers the government will pay to keep staff that aren’t needed in the hope that foreign students will ignore the constant stories of how unsafe it is here. Maybe we could do a deal and have the staff fill potholes until student numbers increase……

With hundreds of university jobs on the line, the Government is poised to announce a package for the struggling tertiary sector.

Newshub understands the Government will on Tuesday announce a major bailout package for universities on the brink.

It’s understood the cash is aimed at tiding universities over while they recover from a sharp drop in student numbers – as much as 4 percent – as well as international students.

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June 26, 2023 6:54pm
- Gaetano
  
  “With hundreds of university jobs on the line, the Government is poised to announce a package for the struggling tertiary sector.”
  
  I feel that everything is falling to pieces 🙁
  
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  June 26, 2023 7:01pm
- Inthe09
  
  No one is buying what they are selling. Maybe it’s time to consider the product, not blame the consumer for not wanting it….
  
  We need more doctors and nurses, not lawyers and ‘policy analysts’.
  
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  June 26, 2023 8:00pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    The Government is buying what they are selling – Leftie votes
    
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    June 26, 2023 8:33pm
miltonF

Yet another example of corporate welfare with the Labour govt bailing out the ski fields to the tune of $5mil (for now). Not a fan of corporate welfare, but at the same time, a lot of the financial pain over the last few years can be directly sheeted back to govt policy. Covid lockdowns, mandates, vax passes etc. The mistake they made was not claiming a percentage ownership in the fields. If you’re going to do socialism, at least do it right!

Now for the important stuff. The hypocrisy and optics on display here gives me delicious schadenfreude. Socialists bailing out a corporation…AGAIN. Because socialists wrecked the economy…AGAIN. The fact it is a sport that is more popular with the affluent makes it so much funnier. Are they going to bail out some golf courses next?

Had my big bag of popcorn ready to read the hilarious comments from Labour devotees on Stuff news. Last week, trickle down theory was a “right wing myth” and this week, Labour “had to do this to save jobs and the local economy” AKA trickle down theory. In other words, it’s OK when the left do it! Bwahaha!
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June 26, 2023 8:25pm
- Ghost
  
  And perhaps now we can confirm why the deals didn’t go through last week, time to hand it over to iwi….
  
  The Ngāti Tūwharetoa iwi has expressed interest in purchasing the Ruapehu ski fields in a deal announced this afternoon by Kiri Allan.
  
  Allan, the Minister for Regional Development, also announced a $5 million injection to allow the liquidators of Ruapehu Alpine Lifts to run the company until a favourable outcome can be secured.
  
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  June 26, 2023 8:29pm
  - Ghost
    
    Let’s add Kiri here
    
    Regional Development Minister hits out at MBIE over dealings with iwi on Mount Ruapehu saga
    
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    June 26, 2023 8:30pm
Ghost

if you want to see a racist then look in the mirror Debbie

Te Pāti Māori co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer has labelled Christopher Luxon and David Seymour as racists.

In a live interview on The Hui on Monday afternoon, Ngarewa-Packer said the National and ACT leaders were using moral panic to create racism.

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