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CJames

The chickens are coming home to roost with all the Me Too advocacy of Net Zero fantasies. 2030 isn’t that far away and we haven’t even started going there. The IEA report on how to do it (which politicians use as justification) has been called out as impossible.
https://assets.realclear.com/files/2023/06/2205_a_critical_assessment_of_the_ieas_net_zero_scenario_esg_and_the_cessation_of_investment_in_new_oil_and_gas_fields.pdf
The cost of energy is going to have to go up a lot, access to it will be restricted as it becomes unreliable, yet we are all assured that it won’t happen. The lifestyle of the middle class NZers will be severely changed. Remember price of fuel goes up next week to pay for more cycleways. Forget about overseas holidays (biofuel for aircraft – really?) and even car ownership, let alone where you can drive to at greater than walking pace, will be restricted. When will a political party come forward to call it all rubbish? Or are their focus groups just not going outside the bubble – the Overton window has captured them?
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June 24, 2023 8:00am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  NZ is turning socialist without even trying.
  Open up oil and gas exploration, stuff the climate change idiots. There is nothing we can do to this planet that will harm it in the long run, even nuclear war!
  This planet has survived many catastrophes and will still be here long after humans have gone.
  Climate change is a hoax. It gives some an easy life at the expense of others. They are just too lazy to work.
  
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  June 24, 2023 8:12am
  - David Garrett
    
    Steve: Oil and gas exploration is gone forever in Godzone mate…No oil company is going to invest hundreds of millions – which is what it costs to do a seismic program and drill just one offshore well – with the knowledge that the government of the day can change the rules by legislation, let alone a “captain’s call” like the idiot Princess did.
    
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    June 24, 2023 8:49am
    - David Garrett
      
      I found out recently that this government has quietly altered the Crown Minerals Act – which deals with oil and gas exploration – to exclude onshore East Coast…for more than 100 years many respected industry figures have opined that if the extremely difficult drilling conditions over there could be overcome the East Coast could become a more important producer than Taranaki.
      
      The crude on that side of the coast is of much higher quality than the waxy Taranaki variety, and there are huge onshore structures, unlike Taranaki where all the big ones are offshore.
      
      So the Greenies have won: on the East Coast at least, whatever is there will forever remain the ground.
      
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      June 24, 2023 8:59am
      - Nickc2
        
        Don’t despair David! Come the revolution, everything will change.
        Bring on the revolution eh?
        
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        June 24, 2023 9:13am
      - KiWombat
        
        If and when international oil reserves start to become scarce, China will send a small fraction of its navy to take our oil reserves. Imagine 100-150 Chinese naval ships lined up off the East Coast, we would need to start carving many thousands of waka to combat that !
        
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        June 24, 2023 9:23am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        David, what is your solution for NZ’s greatest strategic weakness, the changing of successful and popular laws using a combination of unfettered political power bestowed upon our government, political ideology, and the motivation of personal financial gain of ruling MPs (otherwise known as corruption)?
        
        I received a promotional email from ACT highlighting Seymour’s 3 career successes. Dancing with stars, the end of life bill, and improving ACT’s support.
        
        So Seymour’s only long term policy success is the result of a referendum.
        
        Can National and ACT use referenda to cement their policies?
        
        What are your thought on emulating the Swiss system of political referenda?
        
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        June 24, 2023 9:34am
      - pdm
        
        ki wombat – sorry I thought report was reply.
        
        Not only waka’s needed.
        
        What about the slingshots, stones to arm them. Plus the number of bows and arrows needed could decimate the Toi Toi and Supplejack in the country.
        
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        June 24, 2023 9:36am
      - kowtow
        
        ki wombat
        
        Easy . A few green types will don life jackets jump in the sea and block their ships………meanwhile Steinlager will run ads showing yachts with youngsters displaying placards , ‘There’s no planet b’.
        
        That’ll stop ’em.
        
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        June 24, 2023 9:48am
      - Flossie
        
        pdm..
        Is there any evidence to suggest bows and arrows were ever part of Maori weaponry?
        
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        June 24, 2023 10:28am
      - Colville
        
        DG.
        With respect but you are wrong.
        As the price of oil climbs there will come a day when the government will grab the opportunity to make some money.
        We know without oil the world as we know it would stop.. And that is ignoring using it for fuel.
        Most of everything we use, wear and drive has a oil component that cannot be economically replaced.
        
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        June 24, 2023 10:51am
      - David Garrett
        
        Colville: With respect to you, I am not wrong. Since I left the oil industry 30 years ago I have kept abreast of developments in it . No matter what the government of the day does – such as offer “no royalties- no tax” deals, they will NEVER be able to attract the hundreds of millions of USD required to research and then drill an offshore well.
        
        The only thing a future government could possibly do is form its own oil company as they did with Petrocorp in the 1980’s (which incidentally was hugely successful for a while – striking commercial oil 3-4/10 times rather than the industry average of 1/10)
        
        But Petrocorp’s successes were all onshore – they only ever had “farm-ins” offshore – where they contributed a small fraction of the cost in return for a share of what was produced, if any. And to have a farm-in agreement you first need a Shell or BP or a Hunt Petroluem to pick up the bulk of the several hundred million dollar costs…which takes us back to square one, because no such company will ever come here again, because of the political uncertainty which The Princess created.
        
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        June 24, 2023 11:05am
      - Matt Long
        
        Flossie, I think they fashioned bows and arrows on the antarctic continent during the annual winter hunts.
        
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        June 24, 2023 11:21am
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        DG – according to resident Canabis promoter Chloe – “there is nothing out there to dig”. Move on will ya?
        
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        June 24, 2023 11:43am
      - Colville
        
        DG.
        
        You might want to think about the word “forever”
        
        100 years? 500?
        
        It’s going to happen.
        
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        June 24, 2023 11:44am
      - Romney
        
        Can it not be quietly altered back?
        
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        June 24, 2023 12:49pm
    - igm
      
      Surely, along with illegal lockdowns, ruination of New Zealand”s economy and social structure, Ardern should be the recipient of treason charges, not baubles.
      
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      June 24, 2023 9:40am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        When you think of all of the things Jaspinda did, she really gave us a real big fucking over. I still can’t understand why.
        It all started with that video in 2009.
        
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        June 24, 2023 11:38am
      - Nickc2
        
        I’ll second that!!!
        
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        June 24, 2023 3:09pm
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Yup, its too late. NZ is officially a no-go zone. Too risky to bother with.
      
      Maybe we’ll be able to bribe a few half hearted attempts with the next “provincial growth fund” but it will all be captured by donors to the major parties.
      
      Perhaps the wives from Remmers and Fendalton will feel a bit of pressure, but they still won’t make the connection between their feel good stupidity and the collapse of the economy, even when the poor and disadvantaged are climbing in through their windows and stealing their shit.
      
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      June 24, 2023 10:14am
      - mawm
        
        I doubt the wives of Remmers have supported the greens in any number. All those that I talk to despise the greens, are alarmed by their proposed wealth tax (all their houses with the overpriced land values are more than 4 mil) as they will be extremely hard hit. They despise Jacinda and talk in positive terms about Seymour. Also they are aware of the collapsing economy as their husbands, many are captains of industry, are so directly affected by it. Don’t run down their awareness after all they were astute enough to choose partners that would become very successful and leave the buff, dope-smoking, laid-back surfers behind.
        
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        June 24, 2023 1:05pm
    - NK
      
      @Mark Hanley, what reform do you think David Seymour/Act could have done from opposition since 2017?
      
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      June 24, 2023 10:16am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        NK. National and ACT were in power for 9 years before 2017 and will be in power again in October.
        
        National have proposed an infrastructure commission which is a very good idea. It takes the identification, prioritization, and implementation of long term infrastructure projects out of the hands of NZs useless public service.
        
        However, we know from bitter experience that National and ACT’s policies will be reversed following a change of government, against the will of the majority of voters.
        
        How many NZers would have voted for: co-governance, the corruption of our school curriculum, ridiculous teacher pay rises whilst underpaid nurses leave in droves, the dismissing of NZ’s prepared pandemic plan and the breaches of our bill of rights for the covid response, the change of our country’s name, the 3 waters debacle, the banning of charter schools, etc?
        
        The list is endless as is the pain we’ll suffer for the next 20 years.
        
        Unless something changes it will all repeat in 9 to 12 years.
        
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        June 24, 2023 11:03am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That “captain’s Call” should have been challenged. It was not what “We The People” wanted – no vote, no submissions. Straight out communist North Korea stuff, done by a power hungry schoolgirl.
      
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      June 24, 2023 11:30am
      - Nickc2
        
        An ideological power-hungry schoolgirl, where ideology is founded on Communism and imported woke doctrine (WEF, UN, WHO & Black Rock).
        
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        June 24, 2023 3:17pm
    - comm4nder
      
      I have long thought that if I had some spare money I would invest in a company that mines coal or oil, because the demand will continue to rise while the supply will not keep up, thanks to the Greens.
      
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      June 24, 2023 1:54pm
      - CJames
        
        I did and they pay very nice dividends.
        
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        June 24, 2023 2:29pm
  - Cassandra
    
    If it’s a hoax (and there’s plenty of evidence that, at the very least, it has been captured by nutters) then it’s the most successful of all time. When supposedly sensible people maintain that the science is settled then you have to wonder. In the spirit of the times I say rapihi. An unproven theory, based on a model, full of holes, has been captured by charlatans. Al Gore’s house uses more electricity than my whole 19 family community!
    
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    June 24, 2023 8:57am
    - coge
      
      There is no law of global warming. It’s not calculable with any accuracy, given the vast, chaotic, open, non linear atmospheric system. To which such claims apply. So this is why the hypothesis is supported by ‘believers’.
      
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      June 24, 2023 12:59pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        The planet has been adjusting for climate change for millenia.
        
        Think Florida. What would 1.5c warming mean.? Buggar all?
        Alaska? where there are more polar bears than ever?
        
        Given that an average increase in temperature of 1.5c proposed by the Alarmists means the end of the world.
        Shouldnt the effort and the trillions be applied to the areas that might be at risk, rather than the shotgun approach currently in vogue.
        
        On forecasts.!!
        Loved this bit of inforamtion.
        Researcher got thousands of “professionals”to do forecasts in their area of expertise.
        Then waited 20 years to see how the forecasts turned out.
        
        ZERO forecasts turned out to be accurate.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYhZ7idC0GY&t=2301s
        
        Start around minute 17 if you want to miss some intro stuff
        
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        June 24, 2023 7:07pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  NZ could do with another coal-fired electricity plant. I’m deadly serious. We have loads of coal to last us generations, it’s reliable, and NZ people/business would benefit greatly from the cheaper energy. The modern designs are very clean, and could be constructed pretty quickly.
  Oh, and if you believe the ‘climate crisis!!!’ nonsense, it would help to make us better able to deal with it.
  
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  June 24, 2023 8:21am
  - CJames
    
    Chris
    The problem with those HELE plants is they are just too big for NZ’s grid. We shouldn’t have units bigger than about 300MW (even the CCGTs cause issues) because of their influence on the grid and reserves needed to cover them.
    
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    June 24, 2023 8:54am
    - David Garrett
      
      CJames: I know nothing of HELE’s and CCGT’s…please enlighten us
      
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      June 24, 2023 9:01am
      - CJames
        
        HELE are High Efficiency Low Emission coal fired station. Often ultra supercritical (the stuff from the boilers is so hot and high pressure (640°C & 300bg) that it is beyond steam). Means you can get a lot more power for less coal and the exhaust filters take everything out that isn’t CO2 or nitrogen. Can be over 50% efficient.
        CCGT are Combined Cycle Gas Turbines – typically about 250MW gas turbine with a HRSG Heat Recovery Steam Generator (a boiler without flames) on the back end to run 120MW steam turbine set connected to same double ended generator. Now about 60% efficient on natural gas.
        That should give you enough terms to disappear down the Google rabbithole for hours.
        
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        June 24, 2023 9:17am
      - David Garrett
        
        CJ: Thank you…is something “beyond steam” the same thing as “superheated steam” which warships once ran on? As I understand it, that substance is invisible, and therefor highly dangerous?
        
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        June 24, 2023 10:06am
      - CJames
        
        David Superheated steam is just steam at a temperature above the boiling point for that pressure. Steam from your jug at 105° is superheated. But on ships, it was typically about 400°C and 40bg out of the boiler superheaters.
        When you go above the critical point ( 218 bar and 374°C), there is no difference between steam and water. It is the same fluid so the names are meaningless.
        On the big supercritical steam turbine generators, the pipes carrying the fluid coming out of the superheater tubes and steam out of reheaters are red hot. They need special metals and welding to cope with the temperatures and pressures without failing.
        
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        June 24, 2023 2:38pm
      - peterwn
        
        David – Yes, superheated steam is invisible and highly dangerous since it contains high energy. A superheated steam leak from a pipe etc is extremely dangerous because you cannot see the stuff. There would be visible vapour at some distance from the leak. Another interesting thing with steam turbines is when they are shut down, the shaft has to continue to be rotated at a slow speed until it cools down, otherwise the shaft will permanently sag. When started up again the machine would vibrate like mad (normal speed is 50 revolutions per second!). Sagged shafts have been sent to the Devonport Naval Base for rebalancing since they have a very large lathe for this sort of thing.
        
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        June 24, 2023 7:15pm
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      We might just have to figure out a way to increase the demand! Maybe with more industry?!
      I’m sure we’d have more chance of finding a way to make it work than we would of figuring out how to make wind turbines produce on a still day.
      
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      June 24, 2023 9:22am
      - CJames
        
        To make your coal plant efficient, it needs to be on near full load all the time for months on end. That is a lot of coal. Generally needs an open cast mine capable of thousands of tonnes a day production in all weathers. None of ours, except maybe the Southland lignite deposits can do that.
        
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        June 24, 2023 9:33am
      - Chris Nisbet
        
        CJames – you’re not quite saying that it wouldn’t work. Is that what you mean though?
        
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        June 24, 2023 9:57am
      - Matt Long
        
        Could a nuclear power plant generate synthetic fuel from CO2 when electricity demand is low? Probably not in the People’s Democratic Republic of Aotearoa, but maybe in Europe.
        https://spectrum.ieee.org/synthetic-fuel
        
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        June 24, 2023 12:45pm
      - CJames
        
        Not necessarily Chris. NZ could have a couple of 300MW coal fired units at somewhere like Huntly on long term contracts with generation guarantees to run baseload over the winter and can do extended operation if need be.
        They wouldn’t be as efficient or “clean” as state of the art, but they would be more efficient than what is there now.
        Buy the thermal coal from Indonesia. It is a lot cheaper, even with transport, than we can mine it.
        
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        June 24, 2023 2:43pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    Can we fire up our rubbish to provide energy?
    
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    June 24, 2023 9:39am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      We can ask James Shaw and Robbo to print more money to burn. Isn’t that what they are doing now?
      
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      June 24, 2023 11:50am
    - CJames
      
      That is a very good energy source but usually needs supplemental gas firing to be clean burning. Gets rid of landfills and allows efficient recycling. Meremere would have been a great site, with rubbish railed from Hamilton and Tauranga as well as Auckland. But the Greens killed it. Another one of their crimes against humanity.
      
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      June 24, 2023 3:54pm
  - Handyman
    
    Agree we need a suitable coal fired power station. I would contract it to run for economically minimum periods (say a month at a time during winter) at half load.
    Running warm allows ramp up to meet weekly demand when a cold spell is forecast. No hourly or daily startups!
    
    The only regulatory change is to remove the “wind first” rule to the same as that applied to geothermal, which happily runs at near max load most of the time.
    
    The big advantage of this arrangement is that it conserves hydro resources, especially in a dry year. It stops the crazy Lake Onslow dead and avoids wasting $30billion. Another advantage it that in a cold spell the power generation is better balanced between islands.
    
    Compare this suggestion to that of the Green Party: “During calm cold spells there is no wind or solar generation, so we need to build more of them”.
    
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    June 24, 2023 11:30am
    - PaulL
      
      I’d look into what we have to do to extend Maui life. I suspect investment has halted because of uncertain return, but govt funding could fix that.
      
      Then look to peaking gas plants to cover dry year and peak loads. Explain to the greens as “a cost of 90% of our power being green is that 10% needs to be gas. But 90% is better than nothing”.
      
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      June 24, 2023 12:25pm
    - CJames
      
      Handyman Wind doesn’t have a run first. It bids in to the grid at 1c/MWh and how many MW they think they will be producing in 2 hours time. All the bids are then stacked in a price/ quantity merit order, and what matches the load is the paid price. If those near free bids cover the load, that is all the money they get for their electricity.
      What they do need to do is change the bid structure so that if you don’t meet your MW bid, you pay for the makeup power based on the merit order.
      
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      June 24, 2023 6:24pm
  - greybeard
    
    If all those office blocks in the cities had their lights turned off overnight there would be plenty of juice to go around.
    
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    June 24, 2023 11:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Climate Change, Crisis or whatever has/is New Zealand’s ‘nuclear’ moment.
    Resisting burning coal is the same as resisting nuclear power. It is ingrained in a certain sector’s skulls.
    New Zealand needs Nuclear Power Stations, as well as coal burning power stations. How will all of those cars, trucks, buses, boats, planes be charged?
    Run a cable to Australia and buy off them?
    
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    June 24, 2023 11:46am
  - GJM
    
    What we need to do is build more dams and hydro., as well as coal. The greenies won’t even approve a “run of river” scheme, where there is no dam, rather part of the river flow is diverted into th eturbines ansd bck into th eriver again. No ecological impact, can be installed where you don’t want dams. Greenies killed the one on th ewet coast. The RMA and greenies killed the Poject Aqua hydro scheme after 10 years of delays and red tape.
    
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    June 24, 2023 12:56pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  A woman from England on Tom Nelson’s podcast the other day said something about car ownership in the UK is expected to drop by 80% in the next few years, if everything goes to plan.
  Not her plan, government’s. These people really are not our friends.
  
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  June 24, 2023 8:28am
  - Gaetano
    
    New Zealand has the highest car ownership in the world.
    
    Between 2000 and 2019, the population increased by 20 percent. The numbers of cars increased by 64 percent.
    
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.ehinz.ac.nz/assets/Factsheets/Released_2021/Number-of-Vehicles.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjinPDgotr_AhWS3GEKHb6hAp0QFnoECA8QBg&usg=AOvVaw1edciE_KP5l1QqmZXsxE-7
    
    Of course these trends infuriate the left. All the cycleways and electric buses are barely making a dent in the mode share of motor vehicles in household transport. The next step will to make motor vehicle ownership unaffordable for many or to regulate travel.
    
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    June 24, 2023 9:00am
    - Nickc2
      
      J-A Genter is campaigning for one car per street perhaps! //
      
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      June 24, 2023 9:19am
      - Gaetano
        
        More like zero cars.
        
        It will be interesting to see her resolve as her children get older. How is she going to manage transporting children to school sports and activities without a car? What happens when the children want to visit far flung places like their friends?
        
        Cycling is great. I have a bike. But in New Zealand, relying on PT and cycling as your only form of transport is problematic. If you have children you are severely restricting the size of their world and the places they can see and experience.
        
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        June 24, 2023 10:05am
      - kowtow
        
        Meanwhile the Elites will have their tax payer provided BMW’s and police escorts and/or private security details .
        
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        June 24, 2023 10:18am
      - kowtow
        
        gaetano
        
        ‘If you have children you are severely restricting the size of their world and the places they can see and experience.’
        
        That’s why the eco witch in the Waka Car Towie ad says , the toll is one of the little ones.
        
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        June 24, 2023 10:20am
      - Handyman
        
        The car zealots will face a dilemma: Generally the common New Zealand under ground power cables can only support 3-4 battery super chargers per street before affecting regular users on that street.
        Either the cables need replacing or there must be a cap on the number of battery cars.
        I expect the green solution will be to use smart meters to “manage” (ie cap) the power usage of regular households to allow battery cars to be charged.
        
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        June 24, 2023 11:44am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That will cause a lot of punchups over who will drive.
        Sorry boss, I will be late. Just fighting some prick who says it is his turn to drive.//
        
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        June 24, 2023 11:49am
    - Matt Long
      
      Gaetano, “regulate travel,” I was considering how they hope to get freight onto rail, the only way I can see is to return to the bad old days where there were zones trucks weren’t allowed to cross, which handed a huge amount of power to the rail worker’s unions.
      
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      June 24, 2023 12:05pm
  - kowtow
    
    In the UK there’s definitely a war on cars from certain parts of the ruling Elite .
    
    It’s actually a war on freedom.And some of our Elites are as usual copying the Marxist foreign vanguard.
    
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    June 24, 2023 9:05am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    “You will own nothing and be happy.” Klaus.
    
    No, not the one in the red suit. The weird looking Bond villain with the accent to match.
    
    The sooner enough people realise that this ‘Great Reset’ is NOT a conspiracy theory, that there are unelected, overpaid technocrats intent on pushing through insane, ideological fantasies, who treat the rest of us like characters in The Sims computer simulation, the sooner we can stop the bickering around the edges and immediately remove these people from anything resembling a lever of power.
    
    They are going to destroy life on earth. We have a finely tuned system that has evolved over hundreds of years. It isn’t perfect, but it has been getting better as time goes on. Cars are ultra clean compared to 20 years ago. Power stations, similar. Look at any images of European cities in the 50s and 60s compared to the last 30 years. The filthy pollution has been dramatically reduced. We’ve been able to travel freely around the globe and at home.
    
    We’ve been getting there, in an evolutionary manner, as we should.
    
    On the basis of a lie called man made climate change, these technocrats want to demolish the house before the plans for the new one have even been drawn up. They are deranged zealots.
    
    As with covid, more real evidence is emerging every week that they have been pushing a fraudulent narrative to support their madness. To have a world controlled by unelected bodies, UN, WHO, WEF. All of whom appear to have very concerning funding sources.
    The biggest coup in the history of the planet is underway and it is so big, most people cannot possibly comprehend that it is happening.
    
    What do you think will happen when only a tiny percentage of people still have personal transport? When only an elite few of the unelected technocrats can fly around the world? When only that elite few will be eating real food, real meat etc? When the rest of us are restricted to ’15 minute cities’, eating bugs and forced onto bicycles or shit public transport? When you can’t afford to heat your home?
    
    Apparently ‘You’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy.’
    
    I don’t think so. The peasants will definitely be revolting, and not in a Monty Python way. The world is destined to become a very unstable place. We need to stop this, or we need to prepare because anarchy will become the norm.
    
    I have hope that eventually enough people will realise this and we’ll stop it before it goes too far. If not, revisit the Mad Max movies for an idea of what’s to come.
    
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    June 24, 2023 9:39am
    - kowtow
      
      ‘The world is destined to become a very unstable place.’
      
      What I find extraordinary is that the world is already a very unstable place.
      
      Look at Russia /Ukraine and yet a bath toy is the front page “world news” today . Already as if the death toll on both sides , creation of refugees ,destruction of property and the danger to their nuclear power stations isn’t possibly the most immediate danger to world peace and prosperity.
      
      China and N Korea constantly sabre rattling .
      
      A literally demented occupier of the WH , the head of a criminal influence peddling family.
      
      Every border of almost every western nation totally uncontrolled and over run .
      
      Cities now hopelessly over run by drug addicts , homeless encampments , crime and decay .
      
      Food producers constantly villified .
      
      Etc
      
      And the Elites and their media acolytes obsess over the natural variability in the planet’s temperature .
      
      Something doesn’t add up.
      
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      June 24, 2023 10:09am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      As an addendum to my post. Have a read here for more confirmation if needed.
      
      WHO Pandemic Treaty Will Give it Power to Declare Pandemics, Lockdowns and Vaccine Mandates With Force of Law, Leading Experts Tell MPs
      
      https://dailysceptic.org/2023/06/23/who-pandemic-treaty-will-give-it-power-to-declare-pandemics-lockdowns-and-vaccine-mandates-with-force-of-law-leading-experts-tell-mps/
      
      Speaking to U.K. lawmakers at a meeting of the Pandemic Response and Recovery All-Party Parliamentary Group (APPG), Dr. David Bell, a former WHO scientific and medical officer, and Professor Garrett Wallace Brown, Chair in Global Health Policy at the University of Leeds and Director of the World Health Organisation Collaborative Centre on Health Systems and Health Security, said that the changes would fundamentally alter the relationship between WHO and member states and put vital health programmes at risk.
      
      Dr. Bell explained that the two agreements, as currently drafted, will hand the WHO the authority to order measures including significant financial contributions by individual states, censorship of scientific debate, lockdowns, travel restrictions, forced medical examinations and mandatory vaccinations during a public health emergency of its own declaring.
      
      NZ had a delegation of 5 who attended the recent WHO shindig in Geneva in May. These include DG of Health Diane Sarfati, who I’ve never heard speak publicly? Also Deputy DG – Public Health Agency, Andrew Old.
      
      Former PM Ardern had a prime speaking spot. Supporting the WHO and their and her failed policies during covid.
      
      All I can reflect is just how accurate your (WHO) prescribed approach is to building a healthier future. Science, solutions and solidarity.
      
      Quelle surprise. Well this is the ‘healthier future’ we can look forward to if we do not stop this. WHO directed lockdowns, forced masking and forced vaccination.
      
      These are the comments of one of the experts speaking out.
      
      These pandemic instruments are founded on a fallacy regarding the frequency and impact of pandemics and would, if ratified, fundamentally change the relationship between the WHO and national governments and their citizens. Of particular concern are the amendments to the IHR which constitute a dangerous increase in power and authority bestowed on just one person. The Director-General would be able to proclaim health emergencies, whether real or potential, on any health-related matter that they, influenced by their private and corporate funders, say is a threat. The WHO would be able to issue legally-binding directions to member states and their citizens. In light of the catastrophic harms the WHO’s policies have caused during this pandemic, probably greater than the virus itself, the potential economic and health-related harms of such power cannot be overstated. There is a vast pandemic industry waiting for these buttons to be pushed and I am in no doubt that policymakers should reject WHO’s pandemic proposals.
      
      As one commenter below the article stated:
      
      Given the way law has been blatantly and deliberately abused these last three years we must expect the worse (sic) and be prepared to break or ignore their so-called laws as appropriate.
      
      And in the UK our parliament does not have any rights which allow it to surrender our sovereignty. I am sure the first test of their “rule of law” will be how the judiciary is used yet again to subvert the basic rights of English men.
      
      Very dark days indeed with a parliament blatantly working against its citizenry. The shorthand is of course treason.
      
      How much lower can we go?
      
      Indeed. Exactly the same applies here in NZ.
      
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      June 24, 2023 10:21am
      - Burtland
        
        Sarfati appears to be another Otago University Epidemiologist – we all know where that leads
        
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        June 24, 2023 11:28am
      - Matt Long
        
        A good exposition on what’s happening with WHO interview with Dr John Campbell and James Roguski.
        Based on comments Shane Reti has made on his Facebook page, he is not concerned, certainly the issues raised in the interview concern me.
        
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        June 24, 2023 12:10pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        The Brits chucked out the EU. I doubt they’ll sign up for WHO overlords.
        
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        June 24, 2023 1:16pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Dr WHO is a Trojan Horse.
        
        They’ve been softening us up for decades!
        
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        June 24, 2023 1:17pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Burtland – that’s Otago University who get substantial funding from among others, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and GAVI. another Gate’s creation.
        That’s Otago University who gave us the Branch Covidians Michael Baker and Nick Wilson.
        
        https://www.otago.ac.nz/infection-group/funding/
        
        No conflict of interests here.//
        
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        June 24, 2023 1:20pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Klaus – Ernst Stavro Blofeld.
      
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      June 24, 2023 11:51am
- kowtow
  
  The chickens may be coming home to roost but the turkeys are still voting for Christmas.
  
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  June 24, 2023 9:07am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Ive just read the post on Wuhan Flu. IMHO when the next pandemic hits most people will ignore the Government and just get on with their lives to the point where it will need the Army to stop them. I say most of the population now see Wuhan Flu as a fraud for Governments to lock them up and treat then like prisoners.
  Sadly if the next pandemic is a major killer many will die.
  
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  June 24, 2023 9:50am
  - Gaetano
    
    Yes I agree.
    
    I also think that people will riot if a government attempts to force them again to take an untested “vaccine”.
    
    A couple of weeks back I reported on a colleague who was off work with COVID apparantly quite ill. He had received FIVE doses of the vaccine. Looks like he will be off work for a while yet.
    
    I spoke to him on the phone yesterday. His doctor told him ‘Lucky you had 5 shots of the vaccine. Otherwise COVID could have killed you’ 😳
    
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    June 24, 2023 10:10am
    - NK
      
      Untested? It had FDA approval.😂
      
      #SafeAndEffective
      
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      June 24, 2023 10:18am
      - Burtland
        
        untested? – 5 Billion people vaccinated, 72% of global population
        
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        June 24, 2023 11:40am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      He didn’t seriously believe the doctor did he?
      
      Some people are petrified at the idea of losing their trust in something to the point they will point blank refuse to see the obvious faults.
      
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      June 24, 2023 10:52am
      - Gaetano
        
        I get the impression he has gone from being a true believer to anger at being mislead. He told me he conveyed his views to his doctor. 🙂
        
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        June 24, 2023 11:15am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Gaetano,
      I have read about ‘gain of function’ viruses 20 and 60 time more powerful than Covid 19. There are people crazy enough to use this warfare to become Supreme Commander of ALL!
      
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      June 24, 2023 11:57am
  - mawm
    
    lastmanstanding – the government is probably preparing for just such a occurrence. About 10 days ago I saw 2 car carrier vehicles coming out of the port each loaded with 2 armoured cars similar to those black one we see SWAT teams in the US using against rioting Americans civilians. Although painted military green these were not your average military troop carriers of which I believe we have lots. I wonder how many of these arrived?
    
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    June 24, 2023 1:24pm
- Gaetano
  
  I predict that the New Zealand “2050 net zero” will fall apart in the next few years.
  
  The government is now freaking out about ETS participants meeting commitments by planting trees. Isn’t that the whole point of the “net” part?
  
  By 2030 we will be paying tens of billions for overseas emissions credits because it will become apparantly that big reductions in agricultural emissions are a pipe dream.
  
  What will happen when the country is spending more on carbon credits than the entire cost of the health system?
  
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  June 24, 2023 9:58am
  - NK
    
    Promoted and supported by National, particularly Todd Muller.
    
    Never. Ever. Forget. This.
    
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    June 24, 2023 10:19am
  - Burtland
    
    planting trees is too easy – theres not enough pain involved
    
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    June 24, 2023 11:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    What happens when the trees are cut down?
    
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    June 24, 2023 12:05pm
    - Matt Long
      
      They aren’t cut down if they’re “carbon farming.”
      
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      June 24, 2023 12:13pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That’s sort of what I was meaning, but trees like radiata don’t live forever.
        
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        June 24, 2023 1:14pm
      - Gaetano
        
        “trees like radiata don’t live forever”
        
        Surely they live for 100+ years? That may as well be forever.
        
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        June 24, 2023 2:40pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Gaetano.
        100 years. Maybe NZ will have a few Small Modular Reactors by then.
        The Greens should have put on their big boy’s pants.
        
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        June 24, 2023 3:27pm
- Che Guava
  
  I saw a guy wearing a shirt yesterday that had the claim “Justice for indigenous people is justice for the climate” printed on the front. I couldn’t decipher the logical relationship then, and I still can’t.
  
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  June 24, 2023 10:22am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    “Climate Justice” is the move to blame “man-made Climate Change” on the Capitalist system.
    
    Capitalists aka Colonialists exploit indigenous people.
    
    When we all return to our indigenous roots and abandon capitalist ways the weather gods will smile upon us.
    
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    June 24, 2023 11:37am
    - Che Guava
      
      “Justice for indigenous people” just means more money for indigenous people. Speaking of capitalism, the goal of “climate crisis” is to enrich the capitalists even further, while enriching indigenous (read non-White) people as a payoff, and ultimately, destroying the middle class. The middle class has always been a check on untrammelled power of the elites, so it’s got to go. A bifurcated society of rich and poor is the aim, where you and I will have even less say than we do now (you know, it’s a “crisis” and all that).
      
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      June 24, 2023 11:46am
  - kowtow
    
    I saw a guy with “Police” written on a hi vis vest stopping law abiding citizens from going about their business on the King’s Highway in order to direct a parade of organised criminals flaunting the law .
    
    I couldn’t decipher the logical relationship then, and I still can’t.
    
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    June 24, 2023 1:19pm
Toes on the nose

No wonder schools are running away from L1 NCEA. Next year level 1 maths standard asks students to compare Maui’s progress vs his brothers climbing out of the pit. And how much flax they need. And can they mathematically slow the sun. This is real- not a parody. Korea and Finland are laughing at us. I can’t afford St Cuths so am thinking Ozzie .
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June 24, 2023 8:07am
Chuck Bird

You can hear Dr Tom Sheahan from the link below to hear how methane is not a problem.

https://www.groundswellnz.co.nz/groundswell-radio
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June 24, 2023 8:08am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  It seems pretty easy to understand that methane is irrelevant wrt ‘climate change!’, so easy that even politicians could understand it.
  In which case, you have to wonder why they want to wreck the industry. I understand why Greens want to do it (they’re a bunch of hateful commies who want to wreck our standard of living), but there’s no good reason why the others should be making it difficult for farmers to exist.
  
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  June 24, 2023 8:50am
  - Gaetano
    
    The problem is that the UNFCCC accounting rules for methane were developed over 20 years by negotiation. Changing these rules now is effectively impossible. New Zealand would need to withdraw from the climate change agreements.
    
    The problem is particularly acute because of the country that instrumental in formulating the accounting rules for “land use, land use change, and forestry” in the UN climate change framework. That country.. New Zealand.
    
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    June 24, 2023 9:05am
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      “would need to withdraw from the climate change agreements”
      Excellent idea.
      
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      June 24, 2023 9:46am
      - Gaetano
        
        Yeah but we would be the only nation in the world to do so. I can’t see it.
        
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        June 24, 2023 10:12am
      - Matt Long
        
        Gaetano, but New Zealand want to be a leader in the climate change space.
        Here’s our chance.
        
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        June 24, 2023 12:15pm
- grumpy
  
  …..but…..but …..THE SCIENCE !!!!!
  
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  June 24, 2023 8:58am
  - Nickc2
    
    Fuck the science!
    These climate zealots don’t know the meaning of science.
    
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    June 24, 2023 9:24am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Chloe will be around for a chat soon to explain the science.
      
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      June 24, 2023 12:08pm
      - kowtow
        
        I’m ok with Swarbrick doing that , but I have a problem with the media , other scientists , churches ngo’s and academia saying the science is settled and there can be no discussion.
        
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        June 24, 2023 1:21pm
      - mawm
        
        Luxon would be there first.
        
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        June 24, 2023 1:40pm
- Tomtoddy
  
  I am a simple soul so I try understanding stuff by using analogies that I can get my head around. When someone asks me about the methane NZ farmers produce, I suggest a way to grasp it.
  
  Imagine the whole of the atmosphere is a flight from Auckland to Los Angeles. It takes 13 hours or so to travel the 10,477 kms. All methane in this analogy would be 18.85 metres – a third of the pushback at Auckland airport. Ruminant methane is 14% of all methane so we are down to 2.6 metres.
  
  NZ has just 1% of the world’s ruminants so that reduces the distance to 26 mm or an inch for us old coots. Now can you stand there with a straight face and tell me that there is some way that 26 millimetres in a distance of 10,477 kilometres can have some impact????
  
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  June 24, 2023 9:33am
  - Che Guava
    
    So you’re saying we should fly all of our cows to LA? This is the kind of blue sky thinking we need more of.
    
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    June 24, 2023 10:31am
Scooter

What is this thing of recovery of bodies? Face facts there are no bodies after the implosion, they have admitted there is a debris field i.e the sub disintegrated therefore nice soft body parts are no more and basically fish food.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/world/titanic-submersible-tragedy-sub-occupants-would-have-died-in-milliseconds-after-implosion-teen-was-terrified-of-trip/
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June 24, 2023 8:16am
- Phronesis
  
  The most interesting thing about the whole story is that it was never a story at all. The US Navy knew that the sub had imploded, and had told the likes of James Cameron, before the news media even heard the sub was “missing”. The MSM then spent an entire week drumming up what they knew was a near perfect thriller and selling ads despite the entire pretence that anyone was still alive being completely absurd.
  
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  June 24, 2023 11:44am
  - Phronesis
    
    Ben Shapiro of The Daily Wire just posted a similar summary on Facebook. He thinks that it was a deliberate distraction tactic by the MSM to avoid having to cover Joe Biden’s problems this week.
    
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    June 24, 2023 1:01pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Worked well in covering up our Government’s continuing failures, also.
      
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      June 24, 2023 2:22pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If there are bodies, I imagine they would be compressed smaller than a tennis ball.
  
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  June 24, 2023 12:11pm
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    Your body is about 60% water and water is not very compressible.
    
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    June 24, 2023 1:41pm
oldpark

Just been reading an article in todays newspaper .
Seems M/s Ardern will be writing a book on discussing Leadership .Will certainly beat the hell out of once top rating hilarity joke shows .
Just a couple back in the day .
“Benny Hill Show”,”Are You Being Served” and to top them all. “The Goon Show”.Or even “A School For Scoundrels”.
Just checking out the track record of what
her kind of so called Leadership and her Legacy to Hipkins Regime keeps getting enacted almost daily
in the joke of all jokes.
Maybe the book could be a best seller for hilarity .
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June 24, 2023 8:21am
- rouppe
  
  It’ll be a short story
  
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  June 24, 2023 10:06am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  The book deals are a sure way to find who has taken the ticket.
  
  There is no way there are enough people who want to read the collective wisdom of J Ardern to make anything back. But if the WEF needs to provide a payday to a trusted minion, this is the traditional way.
  
  The alternative would be for her to become an artist like young Biden.
  
  Or perhaps have a close relative start presenting TV “shows”…..
  
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  June 24, 2023 10:19am
- Che Guava
  
  Movies and books are used to cement fantasies in the public consciousness very frequently. This is just another example.
  
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  June 24, 2023 10:35am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Can’t wait for the movie.
  
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  June 24, 2023 12:13pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Starts with “Once upon a time in a place far away from the real World, I was a Queen…….”
  
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  June 24, 2023 12:15pm
- Scooter
  
  World’s thinnest book.
  
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  June 24, 2023 6:45pm
Hugh Jarse

$1,000,000 for producing a colouring book seems an awful lot ?
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June 24, 2023 8:28am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It’s a diversion away from the $24M backhand from Pfizer.
  Prove me wrong.
  
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  June 24, 2023 12:16pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

The URL says it all. Whoda thunk it.

How many millions have been squandered on building open plan classrooms?

Heads should roll at MinEd for this appalling decision.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/132378974/no-more-headaches-schools-removing-openplans-to-reduce-distractions
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June 24, 2023 8:38am
- Burtland
  
  most of the rebuilt schools after Christchchurch quakes were barn farms – they are only beneficial as germ factories.
  
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  June 24, 2023 12:24pm
Cinematic

Herald has Labour ‘edging ahead’ of National. I don’t believe for a second that will happen on Election Day. Act has lifted its game and absorbed a decent amount of the swing away from the left, so far. The reality is National, in its two forms, is destroying Labour. The Greens won’t hit 5% once their loony policies are fully exposed. Landslide.
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June 24, 2023 8:40am
- Gaetano
  
  Sorry I think you are dead wrong about the Greens not making 5 percent. In New Zealand today their rusted on support is more like 10 percent.
  
  Sure many of the Fendalton soccer mums will flee screaming. They used to vote Green to make themselves feel good about rainbows and flowers growing. No more.
  
  But for every Fendalton soccer mum their is a new budding communist studying gender studies at Massey University.
  
  So, no way that the Greens will fall below 5 percent in the next decade. Unlikely to fall below 10 percent.
  
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  June 24, 2023 9:40am
  - pdm
    
    Gaetano I think the Greens have a core base of around 4% to 6% aided by the `don’t know any better ladies of Remuera etc’ they get to around 8% with a bit of luck and a following wind.
    
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    June 24, 2023 10:01am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      When Labour are low, then Greens are a little higher
      
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      June 24, 2023 11:21am
- Ghost
  
  The greens will easily hit 5%. This is election is going to be very close.
  
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  June 24, 2023 9:47am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes they will Ghost. There are many stupid people in the World, some of them quite well off thankyou. But they are deluded – thinking they are helping to save the planet. They are not. None will ever admit to voting Green though, imagine the divorces. Lawyers will win that battle.
    
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    June 24, 2023 3:35pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Heard Erica Standford on Newshub, they spoke about the Labour internal poll from 3 weeks ago, she stated Nats are not worried about this poll at all, and she said Nat internals say a completely different story, which Anderson smirked at, she did not elaborate cause secrecy
  
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  June 24, 2023 11:24am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Who is the good looking of the two? I will vote for them – Average Kiwi Sheeple.
    
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    June 24, 2023 11:57am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Erica
      
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      June 24, 2023 12:45pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The Shore has some very nice Women living here. They have to fit in with the lifestyle!
      
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      June 24, 2023 3:43pm
- Mark
  
  In your dreams boyo.Youse rwnj s just do not get it.Luxon,err Mr Tesla heh heh has no traction.None at all .Amen finito all done.
  
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  June 24, 2023 11:36am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Nats snd ACT are continually polling enough to govern, 4 seats ahead of Lab, green and TPM (coalition of chaos) Labour have dropped from 53% 18 months ago to just a over 30% you boys can go blow ya trumpet somewhere else, because the government we have now is the worst in history
    
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    June 24, 2023 12:48pm
    - leoj
      
      Namby-pamby Nats just lost a couple of points after advocating for women quotas.
      
      Bunch of wokesters, headed by King Wokester, Luxon.
      
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      June 24, 2023 2:37pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Don’t talk shit, he said he wants a higher amount of woman, and to get that voters will have to vote them in Labour seats, you are an out snd out ACT voter, tell me just one candidate the Nats have put up that are female that do lot deserve their spot? [Mod – tone it down please]
        
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        June 24, 2023 9:32pm
- PeeJay
  
  My view is that the ‘rusted on’ support for Labour and National is around 25% – regardless of how awful they are performing, they generally secure somewhere around 25% as a base – think 2020 for National and 2014 for Labour.
  
  Greens seem to vary between 5% as a floor, but look to be more like 8%, possibly closer to 8% or even 10%.
  
  The real wild card seems to be ACT who have gone from virtually nowhere at 1% to now regularly being north of 12%. Suspect they could be the surprise party of the election later this year.
  
  What this would indicate to me is that regardless of what the left or right say and how badly they each perform, both Labour / Greens and National / ACT now look to be fairly evenly split at a combined 35% of ‘rusted on’ support.
  
  This seems to be reflected in the polls.
  
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  June 24, 2023 11:44am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Paywalled.
  Just remember, the lies from Hipkins are just as huge as Jaspindas – and the Herald reports what lies they have been told, without question.
  
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  June 24, 2023 12:21pm
Chuck Bird

I would hope that all National and Act MPs should know the name of this country. Louise Upston does not sadly.
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June 24, 2023 8:53am
- NK
  
  What do you mean Chuck? What did Upston say?
  
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  June 24, 2023 10:21am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    https://www.facebook.com/reel/931907044569358
    
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    June 24, 2023 10:44am
    - oldpark
      
      That woman seems to not care about the other 169 Immigrants who call NZ home .Yes they signed up to arrive in NZ.Their relatives will send mail and correspondence to NZ .Not to a place that the outa here person named Ardern who once had almost many multi million voters in NZ in awe when she reigned as a female Messiah sucking up to some place called “aotearoa” which she quoted many times .How has that worked out .
      
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      June 24, 2023 11:55am
Bridgenag

From the USA
Friday Funnies: Rough Justice –
for everyone but the failson

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/friday-funnies-rough-justice?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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June 24, 2023 8:54am
grumpy

Ardern’s $1m book deal is the usual way WEF and World Socialism pay off it’s acolytes. A reward for destroying a once free society.
With the book deal and lucrative speaking gigs she ain’t finished yet.
Is she lining up for the wealth tac!
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June 24, 2023 8:56am
- Observer of Life
  
  Where’s her fiancé and when is the B I G day??
  
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  June 24, 2023 9:04am
  - Gaetano
    
    He is still around in her social media posts. They recently celebrated their “ten year anniversary”. I should emphasise that I came across this information incidentally. I am not a fan 😅
    
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    June 24, 2023 10:19am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Comment missing – and I know why.
      
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      June 24, 2023 1:29pm
- nathie
  
  Apparently the book name choices being considered may be narrowed down to:
  
  * NZ’s First Selected Prime Imposter
  
  * My First 100 Days of Achievements: I Visited Every School in Aotearoa
  
  * Leadership Styles: Do Everything That I’m Told To Do (by Greenpeace, My Deputy PM and Friends From Overseas)
  
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  June 24, 2023 9:45am
  - pdm
    
    nathie
    
    * and the Maori Caucus.
    
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    June 24, 2023 10:03am
    - nathie
      
      Could be true! Imagine a stressed PM trying to get sleep each night after fumbling the economy and dividing its inhabitants …
      
      Do you think Willie gave her a “cassette tape” (hipsters love cassette tapes!) featuring natural sounds of Aotearoa designed to put one’s mind at ease and fall asleep (oh and with subliminal messages from her Caucus MP’s recorded speaking backwards imploring her to dish out the loot)? 😉
      
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      June 24, 2023 11:23am
  - NK
    
    I’m advised they’ve settled on: “Substance over spin: How to expertly wrap 2 chips, 2 fish and 2 potato fritters”.
    
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    June 24, 2023 10:29am
    - nathie
      
      Hey pretty sure the wrapping was “aspirational” …. so never happened!
      
      Solution to being found out: Ban fish and chip wrapping paper – problem solved!
      
      Let’s Do This! 😉
      
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      June 24, 2023 11:12am
- Scooter
  
  Actually it might be mildly interesting if she was honest about her upbringing, time in the UK working for Blair, why she still isn’t married to [deleted – mod.] etc but we all know she and her Govt are the least transparent and open NZ has ever known.
  
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  June 24, 2023 10:11am
  - kowtow
    
    Will she include who was the overseas person whose phone call convinced her this Bat flu thing was so serious as to suspend our most basic of civil liberties and ancient freedoms and rights , fought for for so long by so many.
    
    And so easily surrendered.
    
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    June 24, 2023 11:07am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      My money’s on Uncle Klaus.
      
      https://www.amazon.de/Young-Global-Leaders-Klaus-Schwab/dp/3864458854
      
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      June 24, 2023 11:48am
    - Burtland
      
      democracy derailed by one phone call
      
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      June 24, 2023 12:34pm
- Mark
  
  [Debate the topic. mod.]
  
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  June 24, 2023 11:39am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Creepy transistors, just what we need in NZ.

https://rantsofizzo.com/dominick/horrifying-four-children-found-in-boston-run-housing-with-drag-queens-drugs-sex-toys-and-dead-body/
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June 24, 2023 9:01am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Poor old Joe.
Nothing will happen because Joe is not capable of knowing what impeachment is. The rotten Democrats know this. They are using a sick man for their own gain.

https://rantsofizzo.com/dominick/biden-impeachment-on-the-horizon/
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June 24, 2023 9:06am
- leoj
  
  Every opportunity I get I call the Democrats the SCUM PARTY.
  
  Lowest of the low, scumbags, the lot of them.
  
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  June 24, 2023 2:34pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Been like that for decades. It is a way of life, and America just does not understand them. I still say the last true Democrat dies in 1963.
    
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    June 24, 2023 4:35pm
Jack5

The bill is in the mail for New Zealand’s bad performance in what we earn overseas compared with what the country spends overseas.

That’s a rough summary of a fine piece in Stuff today by Josie Pagani.

We have had a negative balance of payments since 1973! That’s half a century of spending more than we earn.

Like a spendthrift heading for bankruptcy we’ve pretty much ignored this measure: largely thanks to a news media that relies on those who want everyone to think things are booming. The Pollyanas include most of our bank economists, a key source of comment for our media.

Josie P. is worth reading today:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300911558/the-economy-is-on-a-precipice-and-every-choice-available-to-us-is-hard
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June 24, 2023 9:09am
- Phronesis
  
  It’s a cunning plan by the socialists to first sell the country offshore so that when they Nationalise the ownership of everything the people of NZ will have nothing left to lose.
  
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  June 24, 2023 11:49am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  IIRC, NZ had a BoP deficit most years prior to 1973 – that year was an outlier.
  
  It’s consistent with a country lacking capital to development its natural assets. NZ borrowed heavily throughout the 19th century to build roads, ports, railways, open up the land for farming etc.
  
  Which is not to say Robbo’s spendthrift ways are at all ok. Borrowing to invest is one thing; borrowing to fund benefits is something else entirely.
  
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  June 24, 2023 7:31pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132399754/its-nationals-conference-this-weekend-but-is-it-jumping-at-acts-shadow
A Stuff article headlined as being about National/ACT but as usual it has a leading video of someone in the Labour Party. Too obvious, Stuff….
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June 24, 2023 9:12am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yes, all getting a bit blatant now.
  Headline about National.
  Photo of Hipkins and his minions.
  Four paragraphs about the Labour Party before National is mentioned.
  Not even bothering to hide the shameless prioritising of one political party over another now.
  
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  June 24, 2023 9:20am
Maggy Wassilieff

“Modern Learning Environments” (aka a cheap build) – another failed experiment?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/132378974/no-more-headaches-schools-removing-openplans-to-reduce-distractions
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June 24, 2023 9:19am
- Gaetano
  
  Yes thanks Nikki Kaye. The Labour Party does not have a monopoly on useless Education Ministers.
  
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  June 24, 2023 9:48am
  - Burtland
    
    Kaye was minister for only 6 months – more likely Parata and Tolley.
    
    Fixing education will take a massive effort – marxist academics, teacher unions, maori activists will undermine any changes every step of the way.
    
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    June 24, 2023 12:46pm
    - Gaetano
      
      Nope. Modern Learning Environments was all Nikki Kaye. She was all over it while an Associate Minister.
      
      https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/134m-more-modern-learning-environments
      
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      June 24, 2023 2:44pm
- Mike
  
  It’s pretty obvious that classroom design has very little influence on learning, any more than the changing fashions in office design have very little effect on whether office workers are productive.
  
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  June 24, 2023 9:57am
  - rouppe
    
    Well clearly it does, otherwise no one would bother changing them back
    
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    June 24, 2023 10:10am
    - Mike
      
      It’s just changes in fashion.
      
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      June 24, 2023 10:28am
      - trout
        
        Mike obviously does not have children who have been forced to tolerate ‘open plan’ learning; for kids (usually boys) who have a compromised attention span it has been a total disaster resulting in long term learning disability.
        
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        June 24, 2023 10:56am
      - Mike
        
        trout obviously never grew up in the 1970s and 1980s when all classrooms were ‘open plan’ and imaginary disorders (compromised attention span!) had yet to be invented by snowflakes.
        
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        June 24, 2023 12:31pm
      - Burtland
        
        think things have changed from the 70s
        works with chickens – why not kids
        
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        June 24, 2023 12:51pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Mike – I went to school here in the 1970s. No open plan classrooms of the modern type then.
        
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        June 24, 2023 7:33pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    A classroom with 30 kids in it including one out of control screaming mainstreamed problem child equals 29 disrupted children….
    
    A classroom with 60 children in it with one out of control screaming mainstreamed problem child equals 59 disrupted children
    
    I think even you Mike can do the maths
    
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    June 24, 2023 10:40am
  - Gaetano
    
    Bullshit. I know a thing or two about the offices occupied by public servants. In 30 years that have gone from fit for purpose to open plan barns with insufferable noise levels, making any serious concentration impossible. Last time I was forced to use one, I used high end noise cancelling headphones generating white noise to cancel out the racket.
    
    The other trend amongst groups of public servants over the last couple of decades is an increasing numbers of them shouting, laughing, gossiping, and generally playing the fool. I hope I never need to set foot in one again.
    
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    June 24, 2023 11:21am
    - Mike
      
      Snowflakes sometimes complain about sharing space in the hope that they will get their own special little office.
      
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      June 24, 2023 12:29pm
      - Gaetano
        
        “complain about sharing space ”
        
        Do you have a comprehension problem? That is not what I wrote.
        
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        June 24, 2023 1:16pm
      - Mike
        
        Open plan offices were the norm when i started work many years ago. No one whined about it being too noisy. Headphones are very common in offices now – perhaps some of the more delicate ears do indeed need ‘high end noise cancelling’ ones now that we have embraced diversity.
        
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        June 24, 2023 2:23pm
      - Gaetano
        
        “Open plan offices were the norm when i started work many years ago. ”
        
        Me too. There was a difference – public servants actually worked rather than yelling, gossiping, laughing and acting the fool. The behaviour that is now accepted in Wellington offices would, 30 years ago, have been unthinkable.
        
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        June 24, 2023 2:47pm
      - Mike
        
        I think you will find that whereas once upon a time office workers silently did fuck all, now they are simply a bit less quiet. Like I said above, changing fashions is all.
        
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        June 24, 2023 4:54pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/dr-john-robinson-on-why-the-health-system-is-not-racist/

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/June-23-health-racist-policy.pdf
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June 24, 2023 9:21am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This is how far gone Joe is.

https://spreely.video/v/1867301867/CLOWN–Joe-Biden-Puts-His-Hand-Over-His-Heart-For-THIS-National-Anthem-
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June 24, 2023 9:27am
- Mike
  
  It never fails to amuse me that many people believe Biden or Trump to be senescent and incompetent, when the obvious truth is that Trump and Biden are senescent and incompetent.
  
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  June 24, 2023 9:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump has all of his marbles. Biden’s marble bag had a hole in it since the 80s
    
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    June 24, 2023 12:57pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The Mahuta mess that Jacinda Ardern oversaw:

It was in the immediate aftermath of this debacle that Ardern had her first conversations with Hipkins about potentially standing down from the leadership in the new year. When Ardern announced her intention to resign from her position in mid-January her stated reason was that she had nothing left in the tank but perhaps a more accurate description would have been that she had simply lost her grip on Cabinet.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2023/06/23/thomas-cranmer-second-term-government-third-term-problems/
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June 24, 2023 9:28am
- Gaetano
  
  It is notable that Ms Mahuta has gone off the radar almost entirely.
  
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  June 24, 2023 9:32am
  - Ruahine
    
    I have been told by a bright young thing that her idol was being picked on by bossy people and even sworn at and she was not feeling safe.
    
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    June 24, 2023 9:36am
  - kowtow
    
    Deliberate media /labour pardy policy ’till the election is over.
    
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    June 24, 2023 9:39am
  - rouppe
    
    As has Grant Robertson
    
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    June 24, 2023 10:11am
  - Burtland
    
    hidden but not gone
    
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    June 24, 2023 12:57pm
- Nickc2
  
  She has stated that she will stand as a candidate in her own right at the next election, not on the Party List.
  A couple of questions arise. Is she:
  1. afraid she won’t be high enough on the list?
  2. positioning for a defection to the Maori Party?
  
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  June 24, 2023 9:51am
  - CJames
    
    More likely she has been told she is electoral poison. By her name not being on the list (even if she is in a very safe seat so doesn’t need to be there) it is one less target on Labour’s back.
    And if Labour lose the election, she will go back to being a lowly backbencher in opposition. Not a good ego boost for a Tainui Princess.
    
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    June 24, 2023 6:47pm
Nickc2

Biden says China’s XI is a dictator. Hipkins says he’s not! What gives?
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June 24, 2023 9:31am
- Ghost
  
  We don’t want to upset our biggest trade partner or our economy is screwed
  
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  June 24, 2023 9:44am
  - Mike
    
    A little bit of context, too. Biden was speaking incautiously at any event where he might have got away with a semi-private remark. Hipkins is hardly going to float a specific insult days before a formal meeting with the Chinese dictator.
    
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    June 24, 2023 9:48am
    - Nickc2
      
      Gost & Mike
      I agree with both of you strangely enough but wouldn’t have been more diplomatic for Hipkins to say “no comment”, or waffle his way out of answering the question like he normally does?
      
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      June 24, 2023 9:59am
      - Mike
        
        Yes. For an experienced politician, he does seem unprepared for some of the obvious questions, like “what is a woman?”
        
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        June 24, 2023 10:06am
  - kowtow
    
    Ah so .
    
    Confucius he say ;
    
    Don’t put all your milk powder in one basket.
    
    Only iriot do that.
    
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    June 24, 2023 10:14am
- Gaetano
  
  Maybe someone should ask Hipkins “What is a dictator?” It will go the same way as “What is a woman?” 😅
  
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  June 24, 2023 9:50am
  - Ghost
    
    That’s a bit hard to answer because the dictator has only recently stood down, maybe try after she has written her pop up book, rumour is it will have a nz title, taiaha
    
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    June 24, 2023 9:52am
    - Taieri
      
      it will have a nz title, taiaha
      ————
      
      Written entirely in Te Reo?
      Not by a ghost writer I presume…
      
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      June 24, 2023 10:04am
    - Mike
      
      Ghost seems unsure of what the term ‘dictator’ means.
      
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      June 24, 2023 10:08am
Mike

A good interview here with the determined journalist who shone a light on disgraceful behavior:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018895730/nick-mckenzie-ben-roberts-smith-the-war-hero-turned-criminal
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June 24, 2023 9:32am
- Matt Long
  
  Hmmm, who to believe, 4he journalist or the war hero.
  Hager has shown there’s money to be made from besmirching soldiers, so I’ll guess we’ll see more stories like this.
  Some may even be based on actual events.
  
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  June 24, 2023 12:26pm
  - Mike
    
    Well, after much evidence was heard, it was clear to the judge that the war hero was lying about his murdering habits. Kudos to the ethical army personnel who stood up for the truth.
    
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    June 24, 2023 12:33pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Problem for Roberts was that some of his own comrades testified against him. To be fair, some testified for him, but it looks really bad.
    
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    June 24, 2023 2:35pm
    - Mike
      
      He also made the mistake of thinking everyone would back his lies or could be intimidated into doing so. Had he not sued, most people would still consider him a heroic role model rather than a murderer.
      
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      June 24, 2023 4:56pm
kevn

@Gaetano… Rust never sleeps. There will be things going on with mahuta corp.
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June 24, 2023 9:42am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

One year ago.
“Insurrection Day 2.0!” – Tucker Carlson ROASTS Stephen Colbert.
This is the same Stephen Colbert who had Jaspinda on his show.
Did not hear anything on NZ media about Colbert being behind a certain group, then turning around and saying it was Trump supporters. Lying bastard.

https://rumble.com/v199pbc-insurrection-day-2.0-tucker-carlson-roasts-stephen-colbert.html
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June 24, 2023 10:02am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Defund the US Police.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LLEp79UDyOU
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June 24, 2023 10:17am
rouppe

Māori mother ordered to return daughter, 7, to Australia

Huge focus on the woman being Maori. But race doesn’t come into a matter of child abduction, and the woman was born in Australia.

The defence? The law doesn’t apply to Maori…
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June 24, 2023 10:18am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

From FB.
In an effort to level the playing field,
Barron Trump will debate Joe Biden.
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June 24, 2023 10:23am
- Mike
  
  As the most adult and capable of Trump’s spawn?
  
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  June 24, 2023 10:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Although not Trump’s spawn, the most adult one would be Melania.
    She is dam clever in many things but stays back a bit so as the media don’t attack her to get at Trump.
    
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    June 24, 2023 1:03pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Neighbour’s kanuka crashed through our fence sometime last night.

As I start eyeing it up covetously, I see neighbour in his trackies and Kaiti work boots (aka jandals) has arrived and started on the branches with a bow saw.

It’s still pissing down and the lawn is a bog..so I go out to tell him not to bother… but he’s not bothered, so I put a parka on and collect my pruning saw and deal to the smaller branches.

I ask him if he has a wood burner, but oh, happy day, he’s just got a heat pump. Choice! More wood for my CO2 emissions.
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June 24, 2023 10:29am
- Gaetano
  
  Using a saw. In the rain. Wearing jandals. What could go wrong 🙂
  
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  June 24, 2023 11:29am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    No electricity in a bow saw.
    
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    June 24, 2023 12:47pm
Ghost

Russia’s FSB security service has opened a criminal case for armed mutiny against Wagner’s Yevgeny Prigozhin after the mercenary chief accused the Russian military of targeting his forces and vowed to “destroy” his rivals.

In an extraordinary series of audio clips released late on Friday, Prigozhin claimed that a Russian rocket attack had killed scores of his fighters, vowing to take “revenge” and “stop the evil brought by the military leadership of the country”.

“Those who destroyed today our guys, who destroyed tens, tens of thousands of lives of Russian soldiers will be punished. I’m asking: no one resist,” Prigozhin said.

Prigozhin also published a video, which he claims shows the aftermath of the rocket attack on a Wagner camp in Russia’s southern Rostov region.

In a virtual declaration of war against his rivals in the Russian military, Prigozhin said he controlled 25,000 fighters and that together “we are going to figure out why the chaos is happening in the country”.

“Anyone who wants should join. We need to end this mess,” he said.

“Everyone who will try to resist, we will consider them a danger and destroy them immediately, including any checkpoints on our way. And any aviation that we see above our heads,” he added.

“I’m asking everyone to remain calm, do not succumb to provocations, and remain in their houses. Ideally, those along our way, do not go outside. After we finished what we started, we will return to the frontline to protect our motherland,” Prigozhin said.

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June 24, 2023 10:32am
- ClanMcleod
  
  It’ll be interesting to see how this evolves. I felt it was bizarre from the beginning have a private militia fighting alongside the main military. Two different command structures, and Prigozhin coming out with increasingly bellicose statements.
  
  I think he might have delusions of grandeur, certainly if he doesn’t have the support he believes he does, he won’t be around for very long.
  
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  June 24, 2023 12:13pm
  - kowtow
    
    This is what happens when the Great and the Good of the world obsess about non existent problems like CO2 etc .
    
    The UN and other orgs must expend all their capital on building genuine civil , democratic society across the world and not their silly nonsense fashions.
    
    Same with our own leaders .
    
    We never hear anything anymore about promoting democracy , only bullshit about the climate , “equity” ( whatever that is) , and whatever latest fad the Inner City Elites have adopted.
    
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    June 24, 2023 12:48pm
    - Mike
      
      How did the US missions to establish democracy in Iraq and Afghanistan work out?
      
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      June 24, 2023 4:58pm
  - Burtland
    
    Wagner are just one of many …
    Kadarov’s Chechen TikTokers – backstop army killing front line deserters, Putin and Sergei Shoigu have private militia
    how else do you hold on to power?
    
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    June 24, 2023 1:22pm
- rangitoto
  
  Wagner marching on Rostov on Don. Armoured vehicles setting up to defend Moscow. Putin gone into hiding. Don’t know it it’s some kind of psyops or for real.
  
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  June 24, 2023 12:29pm
- Mike
  
  Ask the Sudanese about how their two rival armies are getting along.
  
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  June 24, 2023 12:35pm
- Burtland
  
  “Kremlin political intrigues are comparable to a bulldog fight under a rug.
  An outsider only hears the growling, and when he sees the bones fly out from beneath it is obvious who won.”
  ― Winston S. Churchill
  
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  June 24, 2023 1:10pm
MCōs

Is there a coup going on in Russia?
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June 24, 2023 10:34am
- Che Guava
  
  I doubt it. Didn’t Putin kick out all of the American NGOs?
  
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  June 24, 2023 10:41am
- kowtow
  
  Not important .
  
  A rich boy’s bath toy is all that matters.
  
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  June 24, 2023 11:03am
- tknorriss
  
  Looks like it.
  
  https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1672363567910375424
  
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  June 24, 2023 11:14am
  - Che Guava
    
    The US funding the oligarchs who run Ukraine to the tune of hundreds of billions hasn’t worked, so now they’re funding the Russians to fight amongst themselves? Machiavellian.
    
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    June 24, 2023 11:30am
    - Mike
      
      You lefties and your lifelong anti-Americanism…
      
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      June 24, 2023 4:59pm
- kowtow
  
  nek minit ;
  
  The Putin Fanboyz will declare Prigozin a CIA plant.
  
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  June 24, 2023 11:36am
- kowtow
  
  It will also be interesting to get news from the various places where Wagner operates abroad to shne some light on what’s happening .
  
  Looking at the video that Prig has posted of the alleged Russian missile strike it looks like he’s created a mythical attck on one of his bases to justify his attempted coup.
  
  Anyway , hopefully it gets resolved quickly and as peacefully as possible with a good outcome for the ordinary decent long suffering people of Ukraine and Russia.
  
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  June 24, 2023 12:13pm
  - Mike
    
    the various places where Wagner operates
    
    Like Rekohu?
    
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    June 24, 2023 12:36pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Very unlikely.
  
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  June 24, 2023 12:14pm
- PaulL
  
  There’s something going on. Could be a coup, not clear which side is on Putin’s side (or whether both still support Putin and they’re fighting about who’s second in command). Or whether it’s happening at all.
  
  The official responses and deployment of forces inside Russia says somethings going on. Not much in the way of facts beyond that.
  
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  June 24, 2023 12:27pm
  - PaulL
    
    Given the general support many on here offer to Russia, it will be interesting to see which Russian side some people will take.
    
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    June 24, 2023 12:28pm
    - Mike
      
      They might have to wait for a while to be told via Substack or Discord, etc who are the real bad guys.
      
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      June 24, 2023 12:41pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        As opposed to The NYT, The Guardian, the NZ Herald or TVNZ……?
        
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        June 24, 2023 1:37pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Just because someone sees a situation from a different perspective as those following the mainstream narrative doesn’t mean those people support Russia.
      It’s a war with the usual conflicting reports coming from many sources. It’ll be a while before the truth is known, if it ever is.
      
      Similarly, pointing out that the war wouldn’t be happening if it wasn’t for provocations from the US and NATO isn’t supporting Russia. It’s an opinion based on provable historical facts. It doesn’t mean it’s a correct opinion, but it doesn’t make the person a fan of anybody.
      
      That’s as idiotic a fallacy as saying that because someone didn’t want to take the covid vaccine they must be an ‘anti vaxxer’. As childish as the ‘Putin fanboyz’ smear many are so fond of making.
      
      The whole ad hominem used so frequently is a sign of laziness and/or lack of ability to present your own case to support your own opinion.
      
      I’ve said often. I’m opposed to war. I’m sickened at the deaths of what is running into hundreds of thousands. I have an opinion of why it happened. My opinion may be right, may be wrong, may be somewhere in between. But it doesn’t make me a ‘fan’ of anyone.
      
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      June 24, 2023 1:35pm
      - PaulL
        
        Sure. The war wouldn’t have happened without “western provocation.” Are you sure given Putin’s stated desire to reform the Soviet empire?
        
        Alternatively, my view that the war wouldn’t have happened if Russia hadn’t invaded seems to have the benefit of being objectively true. And the war will also end if Russia leaves Ukraine. So it’s pretty clear who did what here.
        
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        June 24, 2023 2:50pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        PaulL – your argument is beyond simplistic.
        
        Unlike the WMD lie, this was actual, deliberate provocation by the US and NATO. It was a totally predictable response by Russia, whether you like it or not.
        If the Minsk 1 and 2 accords had been adhered to this wouldn’t have happened. Not only were they not adhered to, NATO members have publicly admitted they were only ever agreed to as stalling tactics to help prepare Ukraine for a military offensive. But you think there was no provocation?
        
        NATO and the US totally took the piss out of Russia with those actions. No wonder they got this response.
        
        Let me know when you write about the current illegal occupation of a quarter of Syria and the theft of their oil by the US. Or doesn’t it count when ‘our side’ does it?
        
        I’ll say it again. I’m not ‘pro’ Russia. I’m opposed to any actions taken by any country that lead to the death and deprivation of innocent people. Like Ardern did to NZ.
        
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        June 25, 2023 9:35am
Maggie Pie

Thangs that make you go…hmmm

Just back from tennis. One of the girls (who is close to the action) was telling us the WEF placed an advance order for 25k copies of Cindy’s book.
Some sort of ‘underwriting arrangement’ perhaps?
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June 24, 2023 11:23am
- Matt Long
  
  It might form part of the cruel and unusual punishments meted out to deplorables.
  
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  June 24, 2023 12:33pm
- Burtland
  
  I hear Ginge and the Winge are writing it
  
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  June 24, 2023 1:30pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Lol Maggie, it’ll be a might short book if it’s a list and analysis of her successes. It will be more than War and Peace if it is her failures.
  
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  June 24, 2023 2:42pm
Lance

I know I am not always the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to recognising political ideology.
But seriously….
The anti-democratic racist bias being white-anted into NZ society has a unifying name, it is called
Critical Race Theory and it comes out of Academia

This is a clear explanation, it is 18 minutes long but it was a major eye opener for me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rDu_VUpoJ8

Interesting, the ultimate conclusion is it will probably lead to violent revolution as it has its roots in radical Marxism
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June 24, 2023 11:26am
I remember when

“Gore’s unlikely mea culpa:” Newsroom.
In a surprise statement, Bell and the councillors said they had,
“Unreserved confidence in Mr Parry and his capability.”
Local government specialist Andy Asquith, former director of Massey UIniversity’s public management group,
“Public adminstration 101 is that the chief executive works for the council, is beholden to the council.”
He said that in Gore the opposite seems to be the case.
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June 24, 2023 11:28am
- kowtow
  
  Extraordinary how so many of these “news” organisations are obsessing over Gore .
  
  So little on the regime putting unelected race representatives on council boards , which is an egregious affront to the most basic principles of democracy .
  
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  June 24, 2023 11:40am
I remember when

NY Times; “The province of Sistan and Baluchestan in SE Iran could run out of water in three months because of a worsening drought.
Climate change has made matters worse in an area that typically gets no rainfall for seven months of the year, and temperatures can soar to 124F/51C in July.
Sistan and Baluchestan Climate Summary:
The City’s yearly temperature is 28.12C and it is 9.69% higher than Iran’s average.
Sistan and Baluchestan typically receives about 13.76mm of precipitation and has 20.45 rainy days (tha is 5.6% of the time) annually.
Drought has stalked Iran for centuries.

There is a belated mention water being used in development of already thirsty areas for agriculture.

Apparently, it is becoming a dust bowl. (Becoming?).
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June 24, 2023 11:44am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  51C? Balmy. And a dry heat as well.
  
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  June 24, 2023 2:44pm
Ghost

I realise stuff are crap but seriously, we need a Taylor Swift concert to improve literacy rates? Oh wait her concert will fix youth crime? Wow her over priced concert will save our economy….

Sad this junk attempt of humour I hope isn’t serious article is paid for by the tax payers

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/300911130/25-reasons-why-new-zealand-needs-a-taylor-swift-concert
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June 24, 2023 12:13pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  She shouldn’t be allowed in the country because of her views on mutilating children.
  
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  June 24, 2023 2:46pm
Chuck Bird

A quota for women, a quota for different races, what next – a quota for trans?

National Party leader Chris Luxon’s women drought – Luxon sets 50% women goal but men got most National’s winnable seats

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-national-party-leader-chris-luxon-wants-a-50-50-gender-split-in-his-post-election-caucus-but-men-got-most-of-the-winnable-seats/ZETD7VASIRCGPKOSZUNTGMQUQI/
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June 24, 2023 12:25pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Then voters know what to do
  
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  June 24, 2023 12:55pm
- Burtland
  
  havent the last 6 years proven that woke quotas dont work
  
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  June 24, 2023 2:11pm
- leoj
  
  More wokism from the namby-pamby party.
  
  They’re not interested in merit.
  
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  June 24, 2023 2:31pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Sean Plunkett with Julian Batchelor (Stop Co-Governance)
This is a good interview. Balclutha Mayor seems to have his panties in a twist.
Enjoy.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1744534862642767
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June 24, 2023 2:01pm
I remember when

“Westland sets low rates rise:” West Coast Messenger.
Westland District ratepayers are likely to face an overall average rates increase of 0.07%.
Council has decided not to fund three waters depreciation for the next year, removing $3 million off the books and slashing the average rate rise from 16% to about 0.07%.
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June 24, 2023 2:10pm
leoj

The namby-pamby party (otherwise known as the National Party) open their Wellington conference with the maori prayer.

These wokesters aren’t going to reduce or eliminate this maori crap.

They’re PROMOTING this nonsense.
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June 24, 2023 2:29pm
lifesgood

When National wins the election they need to disestablish the Geographic Board. Why have they been given the right to change place names willy nilly without so much as a by-your-leave from the locals who live in these places? I’m now hearing of a place called Tairawhiti…where is this place? Is it another place the Geographic board has deemed should have a name change? Were the locals consulted? This is another example of dividing NZ along racial grounds and National want to get rid.
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June 24, 2023 2:43pm
- leoj
  
  History tells us, namby-pamby National will do f##k-all.
  
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  June 24, 2023 3:22pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Only if you are an Act voter who is doing the dirty tricks we have heard about
    
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    June 24, 2023 9:36pm
- Inandout
  
  life, even Consumer now refer to New Zealand as Aotearoa…except..when they ask for donations.
  
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  June 24, 2023 3:51pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Well they won’t get a donation from me then.
    
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    June 24, 2023 4:50pm
    - Mike
      
      I’m fairly sure they will cope without the stream of nil donations from you.
      
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      June 24, 2023 5:01pm
      - Inandout
        
        Mike, wouldn’t be sure of that.
        
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        June 24, 2023 5:19pm
Nickc2

Priceless
Australia’s VOICE (NZ’s Co-Governance equivalent) as forecast into the future.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE63PjSnGWE&t=167s
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June 24, 2023 3:48pm
Ghost

Hipkins will be looking forward to his as well

Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta was subjected to a major dressing down from the Chinese Foreign Minister during her visit to Beijing in March.

The Australian reports that Mahuta copped an “epic haranguing” by her counterpart Qin Gang, quoting sources familiar with the incident.

Article
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June 24, 2023 4:39pm
- Mike
  
  The Chinese got used to referring to NZ as a model for relationships. The very mild pushback in recent years places Labour and National in tricky positions, as they have both become accustomed to that sweet CCP cash.
  The Chinese can hardly be blamed for being a little upset that their beautiful tame puppy has made a small mess on the carpet.
  
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  June 24, 2023 5:05pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Two meetings are scheduled for Invercargill over the weekend, both at the Ascot Race Course 7pm.

Address: 29 Findlay Road, Ascot, Invercargill

Invercargill Mayor Nobby Clark will be there, opening the meetings, and expressing his views.

Be sure to attend. Bring friends and family.

The organisers have the right to refuse entry to anyone.

Tonight’s meeting is going to be live streamed. Just click on the following link: https://livestream.com/accounts72885/stopco-governancemeeting

Please email / text this link to everyone.

Julian Batchelor M.Ed (Hons) B.Th Dip T’chingstopcogovernance@gmail.com0274764430
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June 24, 2023 4:46pm
- Mike
  
  I’m a bit afraid to ask what B The Drip means.
  
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  June 24, 2023 5:06pm
  - Albie
    
    I think as a prerequisite of studying theology you need to be a bit of a drip.
    
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    June 25, 2023 6:56am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Evacuate a 6 storey building because some dickhead got a wif of 2 stroke exhaust?
The Country is doomed – full of idiots – and “Karens”.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/building-evacuation-after-potential-hazardous-chemical-incident-blamed-on-scooter-running-inside-building/ar-AA1cULoI
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June 24, 2023 5:32pm
AitchW

Ministry of Health ad on TV1 tonight telling people to stay home from work if they’re sick. The arseholes can’t pay their medical staff a half decent wage but they’re happy to waste tens of thousands on patronising advertising.
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June 24, 2023 6:24pm
Maggie Pie

This just in so thort I’d share wth the group…

Our cleaning lady (she’s Ukranian) has a sister in Poland and likes to keep us in touch with whats happening…. Vlad doesn’t sound too happy 🙁

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1672512979017912321
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June 24, 2023 8:10pm
oldpark

Not taking anything away from Crusaders “win”?They did score Three Tries Against 14 Men .
Go figure .
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June 24, 2023 8:52pm
- Gravelroad
  
  The overrated ALB lucky he wasn’t red carded for the head butt. He came back on.
  Crusaders player McLeod not so fortunate……….
  
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  June 24, 2023 9:54pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Exactly. its interesting how this ruling of head clashes has evolved over the last 18 months…..
    
    ALB should have gone there as he made zero attempted to hit with a lowered shoulder and wrap the arms – just ran in hard chest and head first ….
    
    The refereeing mitigation from the TMO to stay at a yellow card: that McLeod was bending. Well of course he was! He was dropping his hips to lower his centre of gravity to absorb the hit…..
    
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    June 24, 2023 10:32pm
- Flossie
  
  The team that missed out should pay more attention to discipline then shouldn’t they. And I’m a Chiefs supporter.
  
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  June 24, 2023 10:24pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  Chiefs got taken to task for what they have got away with most of the season – they deliberately lie in the ruck, enter illegally from the side and play the ball on the ground to slow the opponents ruck speed.
  
  They got pinged for it in this game….
  
  Having 14 for 10 minutes could be bad luck, three times is appalling discipline…
  
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  June 24, 2023 10:34pm

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