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Opie

Brooke Van Velden getting so deep under Ayesha Verrals skin yesterday, she caused her to start yelling with rage. Thought she was going to cry at one point.

https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parliament-tv-on-demand/?itemId=233875

Verral out of her depth as usual. It’s a hard watch – shes not exactly articulate… Exactly what you would expect for someone that falsified a report in return for a list placing that has now landed her a 300k minister role.

This race based criteria for Healthcare is classic socialism. Create equality by dragging the higher performers down to level of the low performers, in this case to address the life expectancy gap between whites and blacks.

How about you address the health issues in the low performing group, starting with reducing the amount of booze and smokes ingested onto a bed of takeaways instead of letting them do whatever and oh don’t worry, you have fucked everything up but you will get treatment first.

While you are doing that, perhaps you could build some more hospitals as well? Hows that working out in Dunedin?
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June 22, 2023 8:07am
- Swifty
  
  Whites and blacks?
  
  Sorry, what?
  
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  June 22, 2023 8:15am
  - Random T Person
    
    They (government) started it Swifty.
    
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    June 22, 2023 9:03am
  - Opie
    
    Assuming you are being deliberately obtuse swifty but as i have loads of spare time currently ill spell it out for you.
    
    Health care is now prioritized based on the colour of a person’s skin.
    
    You know, the same way the whole world is having a racial wedge jammed through it.
    
    Maori and pacific islanders = blacks
    White people = whites.
    
    I would like to know where Asians and other immigrants stand in all of this? Labour attitude is probably meh, who cares. They won’t complain they are lucky to be here.
    
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    June 22, 2023 9:12am
    - Ruawai
      
      Not just the colour of skin, but ancestry, Seymour will qualify for priority Maori treatment.
      
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      June 22, 2023 9:38am
      - tf78
        
        Using the ancestry angle, most of us probably had relatives that came over on the original sailing ships – we all have a connection.
        
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        June 22, 2023 10:22am
    - Swifty
      
      I’m sorry if I came across as obtuse.
      
      I was genuinely wondering whether you had made some sort of mistake referring to Maori and Pacific people as black or whether you wrote that ironically or sarcastically.
      
      It seems you aren’t.
      
      Are you American by chance? Or African?
      
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      June 22, 2023 9:53am
    - I remember when
      
      The white v black arguments never ever seem to identify the one major difference between what are considered to be the ‘haves’ and the ‘have nots.’
      All of the haves belong to societies that had a written language while the have nots didn’t.
      Add to this, the fact that Europeans and Asians were constantly being subjected to the scientific benefits that occurred because of this fact.
      
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      June 22, 2023 10:01am
- RightNow
  
  Verbal [Verrall] says one of the things her party has done to reduce the gap in life expectancy between Maori and European is voting for the smoke free legislation. She knows the real root causes. However the smoke free legislation applies to all, not just Māori.
  Seems inconsistent to then give preference for Healthcare.
  
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  June 22, 2023 9:11am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Must have been talking about the Ministry of Maori Health.
    
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    June 22, 2023 9:29am
  - mandk
    
    I’ll give Verrall credit for pointing out that the shorter life expectancy of Māori is linked to their higher-than-average use of tobacco.
    
    But it’s also linked to their higher-than-average tendency to engage in hazardous alcohol drinking and their higher-than-average use of drugs like P.
    
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    June 22, 2023 9:46am
    - kowtow
      
      many years ago Linda Clark when she was a reporter on rnz used to bang on relentlessly about ‘lack of access ” for these people in our health system .
      
      Then she had some sort of Epiphany and one day said after it had been looked into , ‘oh it looks like these people just don’t keep their appointments”
      
      No shit.
      
      But then we didn’t and need rnz to tell us facts we all know . The health system isn’t racist , it’s ( statistically) about how the races use or don’t use the health system that’s there already .
      
      btw ; main cause of childhood admission to hospital .
      
      Dental decay. Which in this day and age must be the most preventable of all conditions .
      
      But hey let’s blame Capt Cook for all those rotten teeth.
      
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      June 22, 2023 12:31pm
    - fernglas
      
      To date the discussion around the Treaty of Waitangi has focussed on the first two articles and disputes over ownership of land and taonga, and whether Maori were ceding sovereignty to the Crown.
      It is worth not losing sight of Article 3, which, translated into English from the Maori version, reads as follows:
      “The Third
      For this agreed arrangement therefore concerning the government of the Queen, the Queen of England will protect all the ordinary people of New Zealand and will give them the same rights and duties of citizenship as the people of England.”
      The notion of reciprocity between rights and duties is an important one. In the health context, for example, we are told that many of the inequities around Maori arise from circumstances within their control; weight and diet give rise to diabetes and heart issues, for example. Maori fail to attend appointments and take prescribed medication more than non-Maori. Maori smoke more. While factors such as poverty and isolation obviously play a part, the exercise of responsibility both at individual and collective level would go a long way to minimising the impact. Likewise with criminal offending. The duty for all to follow the law is enshrined in the Treaty, by consent, not just in criminal statutes. The Treaty does not distinguish between races in this imposition of duties and rights. All New Zealanders had the rights and duties of a citizen of England, and those rights and duties continue in force to this day, with no distinction between tangata whenua and tangata tiriti. It is worth remembering this when accuastions of racism are being bandied about. Is it racist to hold all citizens to the same obligations and afford them all the same rights? Clearly not. It’s in the Treaty
      
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      June 22, 2023 3:42pm
  - cmm
    
    This is what you get with bi-modal distributions.
    
    A blanket policy can impact different groups differently because the underlying characteristics of the group can be different.
    
    So, to be flippant, if you were to make special policies for KFC eaters then they would end up impacting Maori more than whites.
    
    The same is true for all the diseases and conditions that impact Maori more than others. For example: if you take on bowel cancer, mental health or gonorrhoea with blanket policies then you’d be giving Maori a lift.
    
    What is highly problematic is going one step further and selecting individual patients on a racial basis.
    
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    June 22, 2023 10:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That quake in her voice says she is trying to sound tough, but is really like a 10 year not owning their own shit.
  
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  June 22, 2023 9:16am
  - Random T Person
    
    Quaver, but yes.
    
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    June 22, 2023 9:52am
  - Overworked
    
    And the “I’ve worked with surgeons” line is pathetic. She should know that hospital management have myriad underhand ways of making any doctor’s professional life a misery. Want your leave refused? Want resources withheld? Want to be rostered on nights more than anyone else? Want your car towed from the empty management car park when you’re called urgently in at 2am? For instance.
    
    That was a playground argument and she should be ashamed of her lack of professionalism.
    
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    June 22, 2023 9:56am
  - tf78
    
    Linda Burney (Aussie MP) has that same tremble in her voice – it sounds like they are about to burst into tears.
    
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    June 22, 2023 10:31am
- slightlyrighty
  
  I beleive Aisha Verral subsccribes to a style of debate where if you find yourself in the wrong, you counter by shouting.
  
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  June 22, 2023 9:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Even a rat when cornered, will lash out.
    I tried that as a kid. Small rat but it came out attacking, bit my hand.
    
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    June 22, 2023 9:32am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Slightly: Lessons learned from one Winston Peters?
    
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    June 22, 2023 9:53am
- Burtland
  
  the irony is fixing of the health system will probably rest in the hands of Reti
  
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  June 22, 2023 11:50am
- Paulus
  
  Verrall is a very clever Medical Researcher and Scientist and that is where she should stay – she is out of her depth in politics and should never have entered.
  We need Scientists like her but not in Politics.
  
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  June 22, 2023 1:29pm
  - covfefe
    
    She is medical doctor but very ideological. And kind of arrogant the few times I met her.
    
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    June 22, 2023 6:46pm
nathie

Has it been explained how Newshub obtained details of Chris Luxon’s wife buying a Tesla and claiming the rebate?

Hopefully there is a reasonable explanation. Otherwise hopefully surely a public servant managing the rebates didn’t notice the name “Luxon” in the system and passed the info on to Newshub …. or the Labour Party?

Can Chris Hipkins reassure us that his own senior MP’s or inner circle had nothing to do with this potential privacy breech?

As for Newshub, since when has the private lives of politicians families been a target? Normally that only happens when family members put themselves “out there” in the public domain (like Clarke G.). But in this situation this is not the case.

Does Newshub need to provide an explanation? Perhaps the rest of the Press Gallery can do some digging?
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June 22, 2023 8:09am
- Rodney Hide
  
  Hi Nathie
  
  I watched the news hub “gotcha” on the inter web and learnt that the rebate attaches to the car and is public information. Well, that’s what the breathless intrepid reporter said.
  
  Rodney Hide
  
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  June 22, 2023 8:18am
  - Ghost
    
    Apparently they ran the licence plate through here and got the message it had already had a rebate application
    
    https://transact.nzta.govt.nz/v2/apply-clean-car-rebate
    
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    June 22, 2023 8:35am
    - nathie
      
      Hmmm so how does Newshub know what the number plate is (in order to check it)?
      
      Are they now the “paparazzi” stalking National MP’s and their families to “dig dirt” on them?
      
      What’s next, MSM late night “missions” to rummage through National MP’s rubbish bins?
      
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      June 22, 2023 9:39am
      - kowtow
        
        nathie .
        
        That’s whta they did to Uffindel .
        Dug the dirt and then ambushed the Nats at the time of what was a very successful annual conference .
        Classic dirty politics and gothcha moment from the so called 4 th estate .
        
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        June 22, 2023 12:34pm
    - 70andstilllearning
      
      Clearly using a financial claim process for a purpose for which it was not intended. Given the purpose eligibility criteria is clearly listed on the link page would hitting the “continue” button not be an attempt to fraudulently initiate a claim for which you had no entitlement? So yes – publicly available information, but only if you intentionally commence claiming for something you know you are not entitled to – I think such activity is clearly covered in the Crimes Act – something about pecuniary use of a document ……,
      
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      June 22, 2023 9:48am
      - I remember when
        
        Do they now have to search through Labour MP wealth records to see if any of them have gained a financial benefit from their legislation.
        Should the MPs have declared a ‘future’ financial gain when discussing the rebate if this is the case?
        Did they intended to buy an EV and think a reduction in price would be helpful?
        Where does supidity end?
        
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        June 22, 2023 10:09am
  - Yabster
    
    breathless?- must of walked up one flight of stairs…
    
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    June 22, 2023 9:16am
  - nathie
    
    Hi Rodney, thanks for advising.
    
    So, nevermind cost of living crisis and Labour borrowing more now than they did during covid which will have ramifications for years to come, or the health and education systems falling apart under Labour’s watch or Labour enabling divisions within society all over the place … looks like Newshub is more interested in “gotcha” when it comes to National and Luxon.
    
    Eg so even though it isn’t technically Chris Luxon’s car they still run the story as a “gotcha”, rather than politely inquiring of him beforehand (off camera) to find out the situation … and even then they don’t have the good grace to walk back the story!
    
    Good grief, it’s a race to the bottom, which MSM outlet will be the “winner”?!!!
    
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    June 22, 2023 9:45am
  - imalwaysright
    
    Luxon is opposed to the Tesla rebate but still took it.
    
    The Greens want higher taxes but continue to pay the current rate.
    
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    June 22, 2023 11:21am
- PeeJay
  
  It’s well past time that National / ACT stopped thinking they are going to get a fair go from the media.
  
  As soon as the media start targeting politicians family members, then the gloves should be off. How about National / ACT start getting some dirt on how many members of the media used the rebate to get a nice new Tesla? You can bet your bottom dollar that many in the media including the talking bobble heads that are leading the prosecution of this ‘crime’ will have used exactly the same rebate.
  
  Not a Trump fan but his media strategy of treating the left wing media with utter contempt is quite a good one.
  
  National in particular should consider stop trying to please this hostile media – ridicule them at every opportunity. Stop giving them any credibility – call them out for the left wing government supporting henchmen that they are.
  
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  June 22, 2023 8:21am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
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    That is very bad media advice for National. Unless you are like Trump, you don’t go after the media.
    Trump style politics would have absolutely no appeal to middle New Zealand. By that I mean the voters in the middle who National is trying to persuade.
    
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    June 22, 2023 8:51am
    - RightNow
      
      Is anyone still wondering why ACT is taking so many votes off National?
      This guy…
      
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      June 22, 2023 9:15am
      - I remember when
        
        ACT and the Greens always have the ability to suggest policy that National or Labour have to consider more carefully.
        Seymour, until the last election, had sole responsibility and could explore and promote policy that National couldn’t, certainly not in the same way.
        The Greens can always float in directions that are only supported by their most radical members.
        Promotion is often as good as it gets for such voters.
        
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        June 22, 2023 10:20am
    - Yabster
      
      maybe not so much like Trump but most of NZ would like to see the leftwing media hacks put in their place by a politician.
      
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      June 22, 2023 9:18am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      The media in NZ are a joke. That’s why trust in them is at an all time low and continuing to drop. Calling them out for what they are sounds like an excellent policy.
      
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      June 22, 2023 9:35am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      “I know some commenters here view TV1 as simply the propaganda arm of Labour, but I am not one of them.”
      
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      June 22, 2023 10:16am
      - kisekiman
        
        Nice work, Sir.
        
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        June 22, 2023 11:19am
    - leoj
      
      TDS alive and well in Wayne’s head.
      
      Maybe you and DPF should have coffee together?
      
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      June 22, 2023 10:24am
    - PeeJay
      
      Wayne, I do respect that you come on to this blog and putting reasonable and well thought through points of view across. I don’t always agree with you, but I do think your contribution is valuable and I’m always keen to read your thoughts.
      
      Believe me, I am no Trump fan. However, I believe there are some broad lessons from how his media strategy has effectively neutered the left wing media bias in the US. Very different countries, but I believe there are some similarities and National and ACT would be wise to at least consider how he has managed this.
      
      Being a tad unfair, I would characterise the National media strategy to be one where they believe that if they play nice with the media, maybe, just maybe, the media will give them a fair crack of the whip someday. In my opinion, this ‘centrist’ approach aimed at not spooking ‘middle NZ’ is not really working. It relies on the belief that the media will be fair and reasonable. As we can see with the constant attacks on National and Luxon, the nasty cartoons on a daily basis in Stuff, the spinning over apparent leadership unease in the National caucus when the polls don’t show him as preferred PM, dragging Luxon’s wife into the media glare due to her audacity to buy a car (surely a privacy act breach?), and turning the Wood fiasco on it’s head to the point where I caught the tail end of an RNZ interviewer grilling a National MP and somehow turning this into an attack line on the opposition and asking if they are clean regarding shares and totally forgetting National aren’t currently in power. There are so many other issues I could list which clearly show a media that are no longer ever pretending to be even handed.
      
      National are obviously happy playing the media in an old school approach. I personally don’t think it’s working.
      
      I think they would do very well to bring in some aspects of Trumps approach. It may not be nice but it is effective against a media that are clearly ‘for the other side’. It bypasses the media – it gets the message directly to the voters – it doesn’t need the media to like him, the fact they don’t actually increases his support. He also makes the media think twice about attacking him – when someone is going to hit you back you tend to be careful with your punches. It doesn’t stop them, but it does make them think twice. There are clearly similarities between how the left wing US media view Trump and how the left wing NZ media view Luxon.
      
      All I am arguing is that a bit more offence on the media strategy is probably better than playing a defensive strategy and hoping the media will eventually like you. It’s not going to happen.
      
      As a final point – I’d also suggest that the desire for NZ to avoid Trump style politics is a little late. Trump style politics are already here to an extent – it’s just being practiced by the left. Consider how our open and balanced media have treated any number of issues in the last year. Think how they treated the Kellie-Jay Keen / Posie Parker speech with older women literally being smashed by thugs while the police did sweet f.a.? Or how about women’s groups being banned from public facilities due to the fear of the rabid-left nuts disrupting the event? How about the left actively pursuing disenfranchisement of equality of suffrage with barely a whimper being raised by the media on democracy being undermined?
      
      When you have a media that barely raises an eyebrow at all these issues and would rather do the ‘gotcha’ narrative on the leader of the oppositions wife buying a tesla, I believe continuing to play nice with the media in the hope that enough nice and sensible NZ middle of the road voters are going to vote for you is not a wining strategy.
      
      I am sure that National will continue to try to play by the old school rules and avoid antagonising the media – and I completely respect that and hopefully they and ACT get across the line in October.
      
      But let’s not pretend that Trump style politics are not already here.
      
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      June 22, 2023 1:38pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        I think it should also be pointed out that, while not being as aggressive as Trump, De Santis has adopted a similar approach of going around the MSM as much as possible. Certainly he’s ignoring the NYT and WaPo as far as possible and they’re somewhat “offended” by that.
        
        And in the same way I see that Justice Alito was smart the other day in dealing with a hit job on him and the Supreme Court in general from the Far Left assholes, ProPublica. Sent a list of questions for him to comment on in regards to an “article” they’re writing, he responded to them by publishing his response in the WSJ, thereby screwing their cherry-picking of what he said.
        
        Nice to see some on the Right finally figuring this out.
        
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        June 22, 2023 1:57pm
      - Mike
        
        Trump is running a more left-wing campaign than his republican rivals. He is, of course, almost certainly lying when he claims he would protect social security and Medicare, cut military spending, and be more liberal about abortion, but none of his rivals would have the courage to call out those policies as being 100% counter to the GOP message.
        For the foreseeable future, conservatism in the US will continue to be whatever Trump has just babbled.
        
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        June 22, 2023 2:45pm
    - Squinzy
      
      How about if Luxon just had the balls to say ‘Yep we bought a Tesla and we love it, and yes we claimed the rebate because it’s legal to do so as determined by this incompetent Government. Yes, I oppose this rebate, but for now the rules are the rules, end of story…next question”
      
      Own it, be forthright and move on. That’s what I believe people want to hear from him. Stop pandering to the center voters that are on the fence by trying not to offend them, and coming off wish washy and show some conviction.
      
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      June 22, 2023 4:28pm
      - leoj
        
        A leopard cannot change his spots.
        
        Luxon has done nothing to suggest that he has the guts to do as you suggest.
        
        Weak and woke is all we’ve seen so far.
        
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        June 22, 2023 9:13pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump with Acosta. “You are fake news, put the mic down, you’re done you hear me?”
    
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    June 22, 2023 9:35am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8rXqqLPbo4
      
      0.57 in.
      
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      June 22, 2023 9:39am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Notice how Trump moves out from the podium to face them – as if to say “come on, have a go” great for the fake news channel!
        
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        June 22, 2023 3:04pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Not just New Zealand and the USA. Here’s an example of the MSM after that guy in France stabbed those kids the other day:
    
    On Thursday we were able to witness, with astonishment, the most representative image of what is happening throughout the decadent West on a Spanish television station that presumes to be center-right. One of its most popular presenters, well positioned somewhere between self-conscious conservatism and amoral progressivism, seconds after hearing the news, made her first assessment, which will be remembered as an example of why we all deserve to be flushed down the drain pipes of history: “[The problem is that] in a country like France, this means votes for Le Pen, for the ultra-right, this is a gift for them.”
    
    But I’d also note the following comment in the article, in light of Wayne’s input here:
    
    This is, my friends, the alleged European moderate right. The words of this lunatic presenter sum up Macron’s centrism, Merkel’s conservatism, and the thousand bastard children of the People’s Party of Europe. Good intentions, a lot of moderation, an inferiority complex with regard to the Left, and a barren moral portfolio.
    
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    June 22, 2023 2:13pm
- pdm
  
  nathie – so far nothing has been heard from the Privacy Commissioner on this likely breach.
  
  Typical.
  
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  June 22, 2023 8:21am
  - rouppe
    
    I’m no Labour supporter but… Get a grip.
    
    If you use a public website it’s not a crime. If you enter someone else’s plate on that website is not a crime. If that website tells you that the car is not able to be processed through their system it’s not a crime.
    
    The only crime would have been if the rebate had not been claimed and the journalist had completed the claim process. Which did not happen.
    
    Your suggestion is akin to saying there was a crime for picking up a bag of potatoes at the supermarket because you could walk out without paying for it.
    
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    June 22, 2023 12:49pm
- Tomtoddy
  
  A political party assisted by their poodles in the media attacking non-public, family members of pollies is desperate, pernicious stuff.
  
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  June 22, 2023 8:24am
- G152
  
  The Press Gallery actually do some work ????
  What ????
  Isnt it enough that they are crawling to liebor every day of the week excusing those little problem that the left are prone to.
  When the government changes change the media. Their very writings indicate their bias
  
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  June 22, 2023 8:24am
- emmess
  
  Oh I don’t like paying income tax
  Is it hypocrisy that I do?
  Typical fucking pathetic media attack
  
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  June 22, 2023 8:26am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I can’t believe that the Nats haven’t used this Tesla “scandal” for their own advantage.
  
  All along the Nats have said that it is the well-off folks who benefit from the ev subsidy…and the fact that his wife has claimed the Government benefit just illustrates their original claims.
  
  Luxon should have told the reporters that of course they had claimed back the subsidy, and thank you very much Labour Government.
  
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  June 22, 2023 8:30am
  - RoboRob
    
    Yup its stunning. Piss poor effort, again, from the Nats. The issue is that the stupid subsidy exists and that people like luxon can take advantage of it. That should have been the reason the right are against it. That luxon has taken advantage of it just shows how stupid the policy is. Front foot it dont be ashamed of taking advantge of a stupid system.
    
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    June 22, 2023 8:51am
  - emmess
    
    Luxon did, and kept repeating it
    https://youtu.be/CebgiuNCHd4
    His media performances are improving quite a bit, I think
    
    What Luxon should have said though, is that he is going to take that $8K or so and put it towards a petrol-powered ute for a young farmer
    
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    June 22, 2023 9:24am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Indeed, and telling the media that his wife’s business was nothing to do with them is a good strategy. He’s drawing that line in the sand now.
      
      He knows he’s not going to get a fair go from the media; he referred to it a couple of times during his speech in Whanganui a few weeks ago, to approval from the audience who knew exactly what he meant.
      
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      June 22, 2023 10:02am
      - RoboRob
        
        ..’telling the media that his wife’s business was nothing to do with them is a good strategy’
        
        Strongly disagree. People understand how marriage works. Pretending he didn’t know she was going to buy a car is labour level bullshit. If he did know she was buying a Tesla he had the choice of saying ‘dont claim the rebate, im publicly against the policay and the media will use it to attack me’.
        
        As I have said multiple times, they should have claimed it and used it as an opportunity to attack stupid policy. Also not claiming it is stupid.
        
        You can support National, I do, but still realise when they are dealing with something poorly.
        
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        June 22, 2023 10:07am
- Ghost
  
  Tv3 ran his license plate and saw it had got the rebate
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/06/national-leader-christopher-luxon-appears-to-have-claimed-clean-car-discount-on-new-tesla.html
  
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  June 22, 2023 8:33am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    What’s so special about this? Anyone who buys a Tesla gets the rebate.
    
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    June 22, 2023 8:35am
    - Ghost
      
      Apparently those wealthy enough to afford a Tesla should not accept the rebate because they are wealthy and a wife of a politician. Seems weird to set up a rebate for wealthy then limit what kind of wealthy should get the rebate.
      
      Meanwhile the poor people don’t get any rebates on their cars……
      
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      June 22, 2023 8:46am
      - RoboRob
        
        Supposedly the issue is that Luxon was opposed to the subsidy but still took it.
        
        It’s stupid, one sided reporting. I dont like first year uni free. My son who starts next year will certainly be taking advantage of it. You can be opposed to universal super if your Winston Peters, doesn’t stop you taking it. You can be opposed to maori preference for health care, but if you get offered a spot becuase your brown do you turn it down?
        
        As I said yesterday, to buy a tesla and not claim the subsidy doesn’t make you virtuous, it makes you stupid.
        
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        June 22, 2023 9:02am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Surely the question should be, what idiot would implement a rebate scheme that lets wealthy people get even wealthier? Surely not a socialist idiot government? Surely that’s a bit of an own goal?
        
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        June 22, 2023 9:37am
      - Gaetano
        
        How many people eligible for the subsidy did not claim it? I’d wager zero.
        
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        June 22, 2023 9:37am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yer, the Greens. No rebates on a smoky 1972 Datsun!/
        
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        June 22, 2023 9:45am
  - graham
    
    Wow … nice bit of stalking going on there, Newshub.
    
    Newshub has confirmed the family no longer owns the Model 3 and has upgraded to a Model Y.
    
    We ran the number plate through the Clean Car Discount website.
    
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    June 22, 2023 8:39am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    What’s exactly the story? Politicians wife buys a car that has an automatic subsidy built into the price by the government of the day to encourage people to buy those exact vehicles. No that’s not a story this is what the well balanced media is saying, rich politician’s wife buys car and gets a subsidy she doesn’t need whilst you the reader struggle with your mortgage and the price of food. The unintended message is, ridiculous policy by ridiculous government causes rich politician’s wife to get subsidy she doesn’t need at the expense of those struggling with a cost of living crisis and runaway inflation .
    
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    June 22, 2023 9:02am
    - Gaetano
      
      Exactly. Stupid regressive policy overwhelmingly benefits high income folk. How surprising.
      
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      June 22, 2023 9:39am
      - Ehlana
        
        I’ve heard a number of well-off people say they get even wealthier under Labour governments.
        
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        June 22, 2023 2:35pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That is the news from the current lot.
      Meanwhile there was a blast in Paris, over 30 injured.
      NZ media? Crickets.
      
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      June 22, 2023 9:48am
    - nathie
      
      Wouldn’t be surprised if Newshub parliamentary press reporters are also jealous they can’t afford to virtue signal their contribution to fight climate change and cannot afford brand new Labour (taxpayer) subsidised Teslas … and are stuck with electric scooters or second-hand Nissan Leafs!
      
      If so, the MSM should take it up with Labour who instigated the subsidy for “rich pricks” and not the “common person” or those living day to day working hard bringing up families!
      
      (Mind you this was pointed out by National/ACT at the time … seems the MSM didn’t understand this when they were too busy praising Labour subsidising the “rich”)!
      
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      June 22, 2023 9:55am
    - cmm
      
      Mostly correct, but, the rebate is not automatic. You have to apply for it.
      
      I too am opposed to the subsidy, but I still applied for it.
      
      I’ve just been through the process applying for the rebate on a small gas guzzler. The car was bought cash. The subsidy didn’t influence my decision one jot.
      
      I think the main purpose is virtue signalling: to be seen to be doing the right thing.
      
      There is no way the subsidy is really enough to make a car affordable or not.
      
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      June 22, 2023 10:29am
      - alloytoo
        
        I too oppose the scheme, but the nice salesman at the dealership was kind enough to complete the claim for me when I took delivery of my modest ICE.
        
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        June 23, 2023 6:39am
  - crikey
    
    Ghost: You mean ‘ran her licence plate’ don’t you.
    
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    June 22, 2023 9:05am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  If opposing the rebate and then taking it is hypocrisy, then any Green MP who drives on Transmission Gully is a hypocrite as well.
  
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  June 22, 2023 9:30am
  - Matt Long
    
    Any green who drives on a road. Or flies, or uses plastic, ooh, that’s all greens are hypocrites?
    
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    June 22, 2023 11:47am
- mandk
  
  Presumably our progressive (read: lefty) media would like to go back to the days when husbands told their wives what to do and could expect to be obeyed without question.
  
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  June 22, 2023 9:50am
greybeard

Hipkins must be viewing his upcoming trip to China with mixed feelings of fear and hope:

fear that when he returns all the rest of his cabinet will have disappeared, and hope that when he returns all the rest of his cabinet will have disappeared.
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June 22, 2023 8:10am
- pdm
  
  GB – more likely to be the rest of the Maori Caucus wandering off into oblivion with the Maori Party.
  
  Willie and Nanaia leading the charge.
  
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  June 22, 2023 8:23am
  - Simon
    
    Whats Maori for Chippy? Te simp o’iwi
    
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    June 22, 2023 8:30am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Hopefully while he’s outcountry the GG will actually take some notice of what has become of her country and act like a GG should.
  
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  June 22, 2023 8:25am
- cmm
  
  One thing is for sure, the Chinese won’t be taking him seriously.
  
  It’s all about “face”. Hipkins has none. Any strong Chinese leader would have had Wood taken around the corner for a meeting with a 9mm Norinco.
  
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  June 22, 2023 8:31am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Hopefully ‘Chippy’ will wear long pants.
    That might help.
    
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    June 22, 2023 8:41am
    - david
      
      As long as he doesn’t demand sausage rolls for morning smoko, it
      
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      June 22, 2023 12:29pm
- Michael Johnston
  
  In light of their lack of ethics and basic competence, he might relieved if they disappeared. It would save him the humiliation of having to publicly admit they lie to him.
  
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  June 22, 2023 8:34am
  - RoboRob
    
    Labour would be lucky if they could even organise a flight to China. The level of incompetance is breath taking.
    
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    June 22, 2023 9:03am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Hitch hike with Australia? Jaspinda did that.
      
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      June 22, 2023 9:52am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Greybeard, already bought in the popcorn.
  
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  June 22, 2023 9:03am
- Paulus
  
  Could beS epuloni will have gone from Deputy Prime Minister to the top job whilst little Chippy is overseas in China and Europe.
  Labour motto don’t turn your back, currently.
  Little quit and see what happened.
  
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  June 22, 2023 1:38pm
- Piniwi
  
  And greybeard worried Xi wont like his sausage rolls. Feel there is a new Garrick Tremain cartoon coming up depicting an image of little Chippie offering his sausage roll to Xi. Lol
  
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  June 22, 2023 1:59pm
Nickc2

Within every Socialist, is a Covert Capitalist – Michael Wood
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June 22, 2023 8:11am
- RoboRob
  
  It more and more looks like he
  
  a) Didn’t want to sell his AirNZ shares, probably for sentimental reasons (you know, first shares I bought when I was just a kid)
  
  b) Didn’t want to admit to his other shares because as a socialist it was embarrassing to admit having the much money / shares.
  
  The stupid thing is that If he had declared the shares and the conflict of interest as required he could have still owned them all and the public would never have known or cared.
  
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  June 22, 2023 9:06am
  - Nickc2
    
    Robo, with reference to your last paragraph, it’s not easy being a Labour Politician. Being so dumb at their ages requires constant practice.
    
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    June 22, 2023 9:34am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    He didn’t have Air NZ shares, he had Auckland airport shares.
    Do try to keep up.
    
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    June 22, 2023 9:40am
    - RoboRob
      
      Lol. Got me.
      
      However, are you sure he doesn’t have Air Nz shares?
      
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      June 22, 2023 10:11am
  - Paulus
    
    They were all in a Trust of which he was a Trustee.
    
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    June 22, 2023 1:39pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  Nick2 I have never met a lefty that isn’t a hypocrite, and yes I have met a few. The reasoning seems to be that until socialism is achieved I have to make my way in this filthy capitalist system but oh boy once we achieve it I’ll be right there with the proletariat.
  
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  June 22, 2023 9:06am
RRM

20-year USN submarine veteran turned defense consultant, was already calling the Titan mini submarine a “tragedy” over a day ago:

https://youtu.be/4dka29FSZac
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June 22, 2023 8:11am
- rangitoto
  
  Aaron knows his stuff about subs.
  
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  June 22, 2023 8:51am
- cmm
  
  If a quarter of what has been said by the experts is true then this craft was a disaster waiting to happen.
  
  This was an experimental and uncertified craft. People going on the ride had to sign an inch-thick pile of waivers. If you’re going to do that and don’t get an independent engineering analysis then you’re a fool.
  
  I doubt very much that anyone survived whatever incident happened for more than a tenth of a second.
  
  All the submersibles I have ever looked at have always had a huge ballast weight that can be manually unscrewed, allowing the craft to bob to the surface. So one of the following are possible:
  * The craft was designed without such a ballast system. In which case you’d be a bloody idiot going onboard.
  * There was a massive catastrophic failure of the hull. Everyone died instantly. All telemetry died instantly and the hull sank away.
  * They are stuck in a net somewhere in midwater with broken comms and insufficient ballast to move it.
  
  But who really knows… The stories coming through the media are contradictory.
  
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  June 22, 2023 9:01am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Apparently the ballast on Titan is used scaffolding unbelievable but true, the joy stick is an Xbox controller the lighting is from a camping store and much of the washers nuts and bolts are from a regular hardware store.
    
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    June 22, 2023 9:10am
    - alwyn.a
      
      The simplest, and safest, way to attach the ballast is to have an electromagnet holding it in place. The ballast can be anything at all that is magnetic and used scaffolding would be just fine.
      The way it works is that if you deliberately turn off the magnet the ballast will drop away and the submersible will rise.
      Alternatively if the power fails in the craft the same thing will happen. The loss of power will mean that the magnet is now not going to be working and so the ballast will fall away.
      You are therefore far more likely to fail safely and come to the surface than you are if you actually have to do something to release your ballast after you have lost power on the craft.
      
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      June 22, 2023 10:40am
  - Rusty
    
    @cmm,
    
    Even if someone paid me a million dollars I wouldn’t go in one of those submersible scary pod looking contraptions 1000 metres under the sea.
    
    Just leave the Titanic alone and let the people who died to RIP.
    
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    June 22, 2023 9:27am
    - RRM
      
      Exactly, I get claustrophobic even look at footage inside proper full-sized military submarines where there is room to walk around, flush toilets, and a disciplined Navy crew of a hundred who know how to repair most things and keep the gauges pointing to “normal”.
      
      Whereas there are execution rooms in U.S. prisons that look less grim than this mini submersible. Stuff that. You couldn’t pay me enough to go in that thing.
      
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      June 22, 2023 10:25am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    The MSM is full of stories of hope for a miracle over realism.
    
    My own theory is, that after multiple descents, the build up of pressure on the Carbon Fibre will have created minor imperfections that ultimately resulted in a single catastrophic failure, with instant fatalities of all passengers.
    
    If they are stuck in the submersible with no power, they would have succumbed to cold already.
    
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    June 22, 2023 9:36am
    - cmm
      
      Carbon fibre is extremely good under tension so is excellent for keeping pressure in (eg. aircraft cabins and spacecraft). How well it would perform under many cycles of compression is another matter.
      
      Any billionaire going on a dive like this could afford to spend $100k on a risk analysis.
      
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      June 22, 2023 10:18am
  - rangitoto
    
    It seems Oceangate prioritised diversity hires over experienced engineers.
    
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    June 22, 2023 11:06am
    - cmm
      
      It doesn’t work well for bridge building either.
      
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      June 22, 2023 2:14pm
  - rouppe
    
    That “bob to the surface thing” is a two edged sword.
    
    Air halves in volume every 10 metres depth so at 4000 metres… Yikes.
    
    The reverse is also true, so if you’re going to have what is essentially an uncontrolled ascent from 4000m, some way of dealing with rapidly expanding air volume would be required. And that goes for air spaces in the human body as well
    
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    June 22, 2023 12:58pm
    - cmm
      
      “Air halves in volume every 10 metres depth ”
      
      No, that is not true. If that was true then at 20 metres the air would be a quarter of the volume.
      
      Air volume is inversely proportional to pressure.
      At 10 metres it is twice the pressure and half the volume.
      At 20 metres it is 3 times the pressure and a third of the volume.
      
      At 2km (about where they were when they lost contact), the pressure is around 200 times surface pressure and the volume is about 1/200 of what it is on the surface. At those pressures, if you open a scuba tank, the water would flow into the tank – the air would not come out. The air is also so thick that it won’t flow properly through the wee pipes in your lungs (the bronchioli) and you’d basically drown in air.
      
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      June 22, 2023 2:13pm
  - Hard Cheese
    
    I’ve read articles the sub has no emergency pinger, no GPS, the only method of communicating with it is via text message, and the hull can only be opened by unbolting it from the outside. So even if they could offload the ballast and bob to the surface, they’ll be trapped two feet from freedom with no oxygen and no way of getting out unless someone finds them.
    
    I don’t like to speak ill of the (probably) dead, but getting on board that floating deathtrap are 4 Darwin Award nominees and the king of all Darwin Award winners, the idiot CEO who designed it.
    
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    June 22, 2023 2:05pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  I don’t know about nukes but the old conventional subs had two things.
  
  1 A solid steel “keel” that could be let go.
  
  2 “Q” Tank. Blow Q and the ship would go up vertical.
  
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  June 22, 2023 10:00am
Scooter

Take your pick… A Coalition of Caos, a Coalition of Cuts or a Cavalcade of Caos (Peter Dunne link below). Or my pick a Cluster of Cnuts

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/peter-dunne-former-cabinet-minister-says-hes-baffled-by-michael-woods-repeated-failure-to-declare-shares/
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June 22, 2023 8:12am
Scott

Football often features players feigning serious injury after a tackle with the hope of getting their opponent a yellow card. Players will not balk at getting an opponent a red card and having them sent off.

So there are a number of perverse incentives that could be used by an opponent in the wake of the NZ football team refusing to continue the game in the face of racial abuse.

An opponent is losing to the NZ team? What about racially abusing a NZ player in the hope of getting the game abandoned? If you know the NZ team won’t play in the face of racial abuse a weaker opponent could be tempted to use it as a tactic?

I think NZ football needs to have a big think before continuing to go down this route?
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June 22, 2023 8:16am
- Debsta
  
  It is not showing strength in opposition to slurs, racial or otherwise, it is just the typical snowflake reaction. Pathetic.
  
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  June 22, 2023 9:07am
- Loddenthinks
  
  I abhor racism as much as I acknowledge it exists, but this is pretty pathetic by NZ Football. I think i was about 4 when my mum told me that sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.
  
  Calling off a game of football (that you’re winning) because a boy called another boy a name? Give me strength! Not only that, but the Qataris were all darker than the kiwis, so how can they be racists? Hone Harawira and Willie told us only whites can be racists.
  
  Bottom line, someone calls you a name of any description simply means you’re winning the battle, you’re so far under their skin that they’re trying to put you off. That’s the time to go harder, not leap to victimhood.
  
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  June 22, 2023 9:22am
  - leoj
    
    Yup, the All Whites are all weak and all woke.
    
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    June 22, 2023 10:34am
  - Skippytony
    
    Surely the correct procedure is to play the game and then lodge a formal complaint – not chuck your toys at halftime.
    
    Does this go in the book as a win or abandoned match?
    
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    June 22, 2023 11:44am
  - Jack5
    
    The “All Whites” were talking of changing the team name in 2021.
    
    Wynton Rufer, considered by many as the country’s greatest footballer, was among those who saw no need to change the name. Rufer’s mother is Maori (his father is Swiss).
    
    🧎That year, the NZ women’s soccer team “took the knee” in anti-racism gesture in their opening game at the Olympic Games.
    
    Their opponents, the Aussies, remained standing, but made a flag gesture in support of Aborigines.
    
    https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/37620043/new-zealand-diversity-review-considering-removing-all-whites-nickname-men-team
    
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    June 22, 2023 9:25pm
- cmm
  
  Football funding rides on the back of entertainment and advertising.
  
  If you walk off the field for a sook every time a yob hurts your feelings then the punters will stop watching and the advertisers will stop advertising.
  
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  June 22, 2023 10:20am
Opie

How come when a labour politician gives a speech, they recite it word for word with their heads down directly to the paper that it’s written on, yet the opposition speak forwards to the room without the need for notes?

Is it just a case of the difference in intelligence and ability levels?

Seeing Kelvin Davis mumble his way through 10 minutes of pre written spin yesterday on how his ministry for failing children was going to review processes was a classic case in point. Hardly inspiring.

Turns out he had 2 weeks to practice that speech as well given he found out about the abuse 2 weeks ago, but didn’t feel the need to release it to the public until they could put a spin on it.
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June 22, 2023 8:19am
- RoboRob
  
  Yes intellect and ability.
  
  Kelvin Davis is a special example. He would have needed to read the speech word for word because all of the following …
  
  1) He didn’t write it
  2) He didn’t bother to read it in advance or learn it
  3) He has no idea what’s happening in his portfolios because intellect, ability and laziness
  4) When he speaks for himself he makes foolish, often racist, remarks.
  
  You deserve a medal for sitting through one of his diatribes.
  
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  June 22, 2023 9:10am
  - Opie
    
    Roborob, of course I didn’t listen to it all, he had me at I’ve known about this for 2 weeks but haven’t said anything until I have got an external contractor sorted to do my job for me.
    
    I did catch the end where he got questioned so got a bit angry saying that putting people in jail doesn’t work. It does Kelvin, it protects regular citizens from lawbreakers. When that didn’t work he started yelling something about teslas and pointing at luxon.
    
    Another quality diversity hire.
    
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    June 22, 2023 12:23pm
  - rouppe
    
    Number 4 should have been number 1.
    
    Remember all his bombast about prisons when he was in opposition? Not saying anything now, is he…
    
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    June 22, 2023 1:01pm
  - Piniwi
    
    And Roborob the lame speaker pulled him up about his “Mr Tesla” jibe at the leader of the opposition. Watching QT had me wondering at times if the speaker only sits there so he can wear that silly cape to keep his arms to his sides.
    
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    June 22, 2023 2:07pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  By whatever standard you apply, it was a dreadful speech by the tone-deaf Kelvin Davis on a day when he should have showed some humility and compassion towards the children involved:
  
  https://vimeo.com/838156932
  
  He was followed immediately by Louise Upston, who quite rightly ripped into him, not just for the speech but for his failings as the Minister responsible of Oranga Tamariki, who has the ultimate responsibility for the care and protection of children in OT care:
  
  https://vimeo.com/838158524
  
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  June 22, 2023 10:12am
  - Opie
    
    Thought you might jump in with those, thanks TS.
    
    What was interesting is Upston spoke freely and without obvious notes. It was kind of like she knew what she was talking about!
    
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    June 22, 2023 12:19pm
cmm

RNZ have thrown their editing journalist under the bus and trying to put this all down to one bad apple in the barrel.

Nope, sorry, it is the culture that attracts these people, nurtures them, and allows them to get away with it for 5 or more years.

You don’t get in the front door of these organisations unless you’re like minded, let alone employed there.

It is the same for many, if not all, government organisations. You won’t get a job in NIWA unless you have shown you drink the same flavour Kool-Aid.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/rnz-journalist-accused-of-editing-stories-with-pro-russian-sentiment-resigns/SWKSDXFTIJHYPGEJO24PDREFX4/
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June 22, 2023 8:26am
G152

Used to be some great cartoonists in the media.
One I worked with on the same Saturday night publication Sports Post was Neville Lodge.
Good talented bloke
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June 22, 2023 8:28am
Tomtoddy

Over 40 odd years I have dealt with Ministers and Prime Ministers directly on a range of issues, small and significant. The sharpest and most helpful responders included Helen Clark, Venn Young, Mike Moore, Judith Collins.

I am trying to work with a prominent Minister in the current Cabinet over a straightforward but important matter, involving millions of dollars of exports.

I first wrote and called the Minister’s office one month ago. Written three letters and made three calls. Got a silly standard acknowledgement fill of ‘nga mihi’ rubbish but nothing more. Far and away the most useless and insulting non-response ever. They don’t care any more.
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June 22, 2023 8:35am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Have they actually ever cared for anything other than the ideology?
  
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  June 22, 2023 8:41am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Not quite the same Tomtoddy but after thirty years of permanent residence status I applied for citizenship, pretty much automatic at this stage, exactly a year ago . As I related before on KB I rang up about six months ago to find out what the hell was going on and the answer was nothing . I hadn’t even been assigned a case officer and was told that they were still dealing with those applicants from 6 months before me. To date I have nothing at all from them absolute silence now moving into its second year.
  
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  June 22, 2023 9:48am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Looks like that Govt Dept needs more employees!//
    
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    June 22, 2023 10:46am
  - Taieri
    
    My partner applied for the NZ Citizenship in 202o, after 6 years in the country. This was granted within 6 months with a very little, if any, bureaucracy.
    
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    June 22, 2023 11:05am
- leoj
  
  …..but the maori language is sacrosanct!!!!!!
  
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  June 22, 2023 10:36am
slightlyrighty

The beat up re the Luxon Tesla Rebate is a wonderful indication as to the level of political engagement in this country, and just how the MSM can promote a Narrative.

That a politician’s spouse can claim a legal entitlement, and have a legal act turned into some sort of scandal seems to me to speak to a narrative that elements of the Mainstream Media are out to get Luxon, and so far, the only scandal they have been able to pin on him is that his family claimed a rebate that they were legally entitled to do.

If the left didn’t want well off people claiming this entitlement, then they shouldn’t have put this measure in to begin with.
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June 22, 2023 8:35am
- Gaetano
  
  What next? Come 1 July are they going to target his family for accepting free prescriptions for medicine?
  
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  June 22, 2023 9:57am
- leoj
  
  ….but will Luxon sell TV1 and RNZ?
  
  Nooooooooooo!
  
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  June 22, 2023 10:37am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Maybe Labour thought they were setting a trap for the wealthy.
  As usual, anything Labour does turns to shit.
  
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  June 22, 2023 10:49am
- nathie
  
  “The beat up re the Luxon Tesla Rebate is a wonderful indication as to the level of political engagement in this country, and just how the MSM can promote a Narrative.”
  
  Ahhh yes of course, the ol’ MSM “Narrative” in action again.
  
  I mean hypocrisy like Jacinda still using natural gas (when Labour are trying to ban or phase it out) or her partner driving gas guzzling/emitting Ute’s … was perfectly ok with Newshub and the MSM – no “gotchas” for them!
  
  (Silly me for thinking earlier the MSM are meant to be impartial – it doesn’t apply if there is a “narrative” that they approve of eg Labour good/National bad)!
  
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  June 22, 2023 11:23am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

‘Dame’ Jacinda’s total adherance to the implementation of Klaus Schwab’s WEF Agenda, now has New Zealand leading the world in reducing gender disparity….

https://twitter.com/wef/status/1671458329011408896
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June 22, 2023 8:40am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, I am surprised Indonesia appears on that list, being a solid Islamic country.
  
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  June 22, 2023 8:50am
Maggy Wassilieff

It seems the folks running Education cannot admit that NCEA is not fit for purpose.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/492413/covid-19-pandemic-still-hurting-students-grades-education-review-office-report-says

The education wallahs need to take a long, hard look at themselves if they really want to improve learning outcomes for pupils in poor communities.

Regular attendance dropped as low as 40 percent in Term 2 of 2022 and had only recovered to 51 percent by the end of the year.

The report said challenging behaviour remained a significant issue – four in 10 principals were concerned that learner behaviour was worse than they would expect – about the same as in 2021.

Only one in five principals thought their schools had recovered from the disruptions caused by Covid-19.

Principals in poorer communities were nearly twice as likely to say their school had not recovered from Covid-19 disruptions.
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June 22, 2023 8:43am
- surfing
  
  The MoE prefers to work with bad students rather than punish or expel.
  
  Who’d have thought worsening student behaviour would be a consequence?
  
  The slide started when they removed corporal punishment and continued since. Kids can’t even get expelled for violently attacking other students.
  
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  June 22, 2023 8:51am
  - rouppe
    
    It’s the same strategy KO uses with “unruly” tenants.
    
    Getting the same results
    
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    June 22, 2023 1:05pm
- cmm
  
  My biggest question here is whether Covid-19 disruptions are just a convenient excuse.
  
  I suspect the system was already on a downward slope before CV19 and there have also been other massive disruptors such as Tiktok.
  
  Bottom line though is that if you’re looking to schools and universities as places for quality education then you’re doing it wrong.
  
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  June 22, 2023 9:08am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Of course the Covid-19 disruptions are an excuse.
    
    NZ education bureaucrats seem to forget that the rest of the World experienced the Covid Pandemic, but their schools are not experiencing such low attendance rates and poor results as some of our schools are.
    
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    June 22, 2023 10:05am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Here’s an article about Scottish Schools where the authorities are alarmed when attendance rates drop below 90%.
      
      https://news.stv.tv/scotland/over-100000-scottish-schoolchildren-missing-day-of-lessons-every-two-weeks
      
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      June 22, 2023 10:10am
- RoboRob
  
  The MOE has known for twenty plus years that the reading curriculum is a failure and worse then the one it replaced. They still haven’t admitted it and continue to help our children fail by not replacing it.
  
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  June 22, 2023 9:14am
  - Ian Boag
    
    The MOE has known for twenty plus years that the reading curriculum is a failure
    
    A scandal.
    
    Perhaps you could point us at some sort of backup for this assertion … ?
    
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    June 22, 2023 1:55pm
    - RoboRob
      
      Ah the old Ian Boag give me a link. I assume you must not live in NZ, otherwise you would know that we dropped phonics decades ago and our literacy rates have dropped like a stone since.
      
      I dont know why I am wasting my time but here you go.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/phonics-revolution-war-of-words-over-how-to-teach-kids-to-read/ZQOW6DZIFCZEIWPPDPTQ65GXZI/
      
      You will note the above article actually states they are moving back to phonics (finally), which I was not aware of. So some progress has been made.
      
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      June 22, 2023 2:20pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Ian, just be pleased that you and yours weren’t subjected to “Whole Language” methods which were widely adopted in NZ primary schools during Helen Clarks era and have proved to be ineffective in teaching struggling readers to master the craft.
      
      But NZ was heralded as being world-leading in using a method which (as far as I can see) really wasn’t anything more than middle-class/ privileged kids being taught how to read at home by their parents.
      
      https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/news/2021/06/30/inside-the-reading-wars.html
      
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      June 22, 2023 8:26pm
Bobba Fret

“Hipkins continued to describe Wood as an “honest and decent person” and a minister who has been “conscientious and hard-working”.”
Even after he had lied to Hipkins! Chippy should do stand up comedy.
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June 22, 2023 8:47am
- Inandout
  
  Bobba, so long as Hipkins didn’t say ‘Michael is the smartest guy I know’.
  
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  June 22, 2023 10:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Good stuff. Not a lot will get that.
    
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    June 22, 2023 10:54am
Maggie Pie

New study finds petite, attractive, vivacious women are more likely to be right-wingers……whereas fat, angry, bitter women are more likely to be left wing.

https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/attractive-women-more-likely-right-wing-left-wing-women-contempt
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June 22, 2023 8:56am
- Nickc2
  
  For confirmation, look no further than our Parliament during Question Time.
  
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  June 22, 2023 9:02am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Or the local mall. The big mamas with 4 kids all in PJs are definitely not right wing.
    
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    June 22, 2023 11:01am
    - Nickc2
      
      Yep, I’ve seen better manners/behaviour displayed in a Dog Pound than’s displayed by the those people you so adequately describe who frequent the Glenfield Mall.
      
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      June 22, 2023 1:39pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yeah, why don’t they go to their own local mall?
        Must be trendy to be seen in Glenfield Mall in you PJs – the whole family!
        
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        June 22, 2023 3:09pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Hardly surprising ……….
  
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  June 22, 2023 9:07am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Mags, they have AI now that can, using just a single picture, identify whether a woman is left or right wing with over 60% accuracy. And it backs up pretty much your post!
  https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-31796-1?utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=commission_junction&utm_campaign=CONR_PF018_ECOM_GL_PHSS_ALWYS_DEEPLINK&utm_content=textlink&utm_term=PID100093539&CJEVENT=2dffc81e107911ee809f31970a1eba24
  
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  June 22, 2023 9:19am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And what is amazeballs…..to see it was first undertood as early as 500BC !
    
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    June 22, 2023 9:43am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      But how come a withered old hag like me is now right-wing, whereas I was a leftie when I was young and gorjus?
      
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      June 22, 2023 10:13am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Your schoolteachers?
        
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        June 22, 2023 11:03am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’m of the vintage when school teachers tried to knock things like poetic conceits, the role of follicle-stimulating hormone, radial acceleration, chemical kinetics and integrating trig functions into my head.
        
        I can’t recall much about their political views.
        
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        June 22, 2023 1:00pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Maggy.
        
        I was the type that entered clacc and then went out to the toilet – dodging hall monitors.
        Prose and Praise was shit. I got 26% in School Cert English though, and I think that was for writing my name and the date correct.
        Engineering, Math, and Science, different story.
        
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        June 22, 2023 3:27pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Back then they must have had an internet thingy, but it crashed I guess. No aliens around to fix it. So here we are 2500 years later and starting again.
      Don’t fuck it up this time guys.
      
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      June 22, 2023 3:13pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, it is understood constant anger and bitterness ravages any original beauty.
  
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  June 22, 2023 10:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Ouch. I think you will keep.
    Beware 🙂
    
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    June 22, 2023 3:14pm
Bridgenag

Is the Voice to Parliament a Trojan Horse?
‘Reparations, land back, paid rent’ – prominent Yes campaigner says the quiet part out loud

“In a recent video, Mayo, who co-authored the Yes campaign handbook, says that he sees the Voice as a way to achieve goals of movements such as Pay the Rent. Pay the Rent is a movement that wants homeowners and anyone who profits off Australia’s resources to voluntarily pay a percentage of their income to Aboriginal elders. Currently, the body is run by Indigenous people, without government oversight or intervention.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/rebekahbarnett/p/is-the-voice-to-parliament-a-trojan?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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June 22, 2023 9:07am
- mandk
  
  The referendum will result in a solid No vote.
  
  The No lobby will simply need to point to what is happening on this side of the Tasman to argue that race-based government will lead to division and turmoil.
  
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  June 22, 2023 10:23am
  - kowtow
    
    I’m looking forward to the howls of angusih from the usual suspects over there when it does fail.
    
    There’ll be so much “we’re really racist” , “white Australia never really ended” , “the age of brexit and Trump still alive” , blah blah blah .
    
    btw talking of Trojan horses , does anyone remember how tyhe zeitgeist or whatever in thing we call these things about 20 years ago , was full and final settlements and everyone was on board and keen to get all the so called “injustices” sorted and put to bed , and how we never hear that anymore and it’s morphed so subtly and secretly into “co governance by 2040″.
    
    So yes , these things are slippery slopes , foot in the door , incremental , sneaky tactics .
    
    To think it was kick started with a ‘Kia Ora” at the Post Office.
    
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    June 22, 2023 1:55pm
Tony Stuart

First there was a single warning, then six, then twelve, and now SIXTEEN! The only surprise about Hipkins demanding a resignation was how long it took:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/michael-wood-resignation-labour-mps-16-back-and-forths-with-cabinet-office-over-shares/SCW4WBFW5JFZTMOT26V2TOK7YU/

Kudos to the Herald for not hiding this behind their paywall, so all interested people can read just how arrogant, entitled and lacking in self-awareness Michael Wood was in this matter. He clearly thought that rules only applied to other people. Hipkins is better off without him.
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June 22, 2023 9:10am
- RoboRob
  
  The sad thing for the actual country is this is yet another ministry in reset mode with a caretaker MP until the election. Councils and others waiting for direction / action for MOT are going to be shit out of luck for some time.
  
  Heard a CHCH city councillor talking the other day about how long it takes to get responses from the government, in part because the people they write to get replaced frequently and they have to start again.
  
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  June 22, 2023 9:19am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Insurance companies did that after the Chch earthquakes. You would get a case manager for about 8 weeks and then just as you moved forward, poof, they were gone and you sarted again with your new one, rinse and repeat……The industry calls it ‘churn’ and it is deliberate.
    
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    June 22, 2023 10:06am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  I did note that Ms Woods stated that PM Hipkins had acted “quickly and decisively”.
  
  If that’s quick and decisive…I’m speechless. Hipkins made to look like a right twat, does nothing much until it surfaces that Wood lied more than once – to his colleagues, to the public. Backbone of blancmange.
  
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  June 22, 2023 9:28am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    As soon as it became evident two weeks ago that Wood had misled the Cabinet Office, the media and Hipkins himself, Wood should have been fired. Lying to the PM is a “hanging offence”.
    
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    June 22, 2023 10:26am
- nathie
  
  TS – remember the MSM gleefully reporting on National MP’s (or candidates) that had to resign in recent times and that “National clearly has a problem” that they need to sort out?
  
  Well looks like “Labour clearly has a problem” with their MP’s …. and what’s missing is reporting that the issue seems to be widespread and definitely needs continual assessment and sorting out!
  
  And not only that, despite the record number of Labour MP’s being elected in 2020, the Labour Party appears reluctant to promote most of them!
  
  There must be many annoyed Labour back-benchers that are thinking surely they can do a better job than the so called gaffe prone incumbents! But yet despite this, they will miss out on promotion as Labour hobbles its way to the election!
  
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  June 22, 2023 10:09am
- mogg
  
  They have told so many lies they no longer know what the truth is. Hipkins is like an Ostrich, it has been obvious for a long time that Wood is a compulsive liar, trying to hide the shares in a trust is proof positive, and Hipkins called it a mistake.
  Not long ago Hipkins told us that under Labour the ‘tax take’ had declined as a percentage of GDP, when in truth it had increased rapidly, again he is allowed to say this was a mistake. Ardern’s first words as PM were a lie, “we knew we had the numbers”, when electing Mallard as speaker.
  
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  June 22, 2023 10:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “He clearly thought that rules only applied to other people.”
  All hardcore socialists think that.
  
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  June 22, 2023 11:07am
  - miltonF
    
    Lol ain’t that the truth. I recently spent the weekend with one of these champagne socialists. Spent the whole weekend listening to him tell me how the “rich” aren’t paying any tax. Then tries to convince me that we should put the rental income from our business into my personal account so that we can avoid paying tax…
    
    Like WHAT?! Seriously? True story. They have no principles AT ALL and no shame.
    
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    June 22, 2023 2:51pm
oldpark

Checking out who owns Newshub NZ ?
An American company named Discovery Inc.Owned by Warner Bros.
Yes out of the same stable as CNN .Need we say more .Newshub track record mirrors CNNs’ so called News where the lefty Democrats get a free run.Same style as Newshub do with the lefty Hipkins Regime .
What a bloody indictment and nothing to be proud of in fact an embarrassment and a reality check of daily bias against National /Act Parties .
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June 22, 2023 9:20am
Maggie Pie

O. M. G…..
Fox saying “mystery debris” sighted by helicopter in search area for submersible 🙁

There’s still hope.
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June 22, 2023 9:34am
- Tony Stuart
  
  If debris has floated to the surface, that’s probably not a good sign. Experts suggested that the water pressure at the depth the Titan was operating were so extreme anyone being exposed to them would be dead in a few seconds.
  
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  June 22, 2023 10:16am
  - cmm
    
    Not even a few seconds. Less than a second.
    
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    June 22, 2023 10:35am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Pressure is bad enough around 130 feet.
      
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      June 22, 2023 11:13am
      - cmm
        
        C’mon 130ft isn’t much. 40 metres. Pah! Intermediate scuba club depth.
        
        It isn’t the pressure so much as the rapid change of pressure that causes problems at shallower depths (down to 200 metres or so). Beyond about 90 metres, the partial pressure of oxygen is too high and air becomes poisonous, which is also a factor.
        
        But when you’re at the depths that they were, over 2km deep, the pressure is over 200 bar (3000 psi). As those pressures the air is so thick it cannot flow through your bronchiole etc properly – preventing you from breathing. At those pressures air is poisonous so there’s not much point in breathing anyway.
        
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        June 22, 2023 12:00pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        cmm.
        130 was all I wanted to go, so I never got the bends.
        
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        June 22, 2023 12:22pm
      - mawm
        
        I’m sure that if there was a breach of the hull at 2000m there would be an infinitesimal amount of air left to breathe as the pressures equilibrated. Also the sudden pressure differences between it and any air-filled body cavity would ensure instant death. Take a closed 2L coke bottle to 30m and see what happens to it.
        
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        June 22, 2023 1:22pm
- cmm
  
  Comms was lost at about 2km deep. The water pressure there is about 200 bar (3,000 psi in the old money).
  
  If there was an immediate catastrophic failure (eg. a port hole which was only designed for 1.5km blew in) then the water inrush would be immediate. All the air inside the vessel would be immediate compressed to 1/200th its normal size.
  
  Since air could not travel down your wind pipe fast enough to equalise that would mean your lungs would be immediately squished to 1/200 of their normal size – turning them to soup. Ditto for the air in your sinuses and ears etc.
  
  Compressing the air to 200th the size immediately drives up the temperature too. For a few milliseconds, the air inside your lungs would heat to a few thousand degrees C.
  
  The shockwave of this would probably wipe your brain, heart and other organs immediately too.
  
  I suspect that would be very similar to other high pressure concussive trauma like when a bomb goes off in a bunker. From the outside the victims look unharmed, but internally they’re mush.
  
  This isn’t a medical issue it’s just the physics of what happens when you subject soft squish material (like humans) to immense pressure changes.
  
  Of course other scenarios are possible too.
  
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  June 22, 2023 11:33am
  - mawm
    
    Apologies – my comment above was made before I saw yours. It essentially says the same thing.
    
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    June 22, 2023 1:28pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

The link to sign the petition to Balclutha Mayor is not working, but is will soon.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/balclutha-mayor-snarls-at-julian-in-a-cafe-get-out-of-town-we-dont-want-you-here-witnesses-shocked/
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June 22, 2023 10:28am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Link is now working. Balclutha Mayor is a big tough nothing!
  
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  June 22, 2023 10:38am
stewmar

When Chippy meets Xi in Beijing next week and tells Xi that he had better treat the Uighers better will Xi give Chippy a serve about the state of apartheid in Aortearower?? Just saying.
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June 22, 2023 10:36am
- kowtow
  
  You can be sure that the theatre of the “we lectured them good and proper on human rights” is well understood and choreographed by both sides well in advance , so that all us Plebs watching the show can pretend all is well.
  
  by contrast reality tv is less fictional and more honest than these farces.
  
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  June 22, 2023 2:01pm
- kevn
  
  @stew… Xi won’t bother meeting hipkins.
  USA Blinken had to meet other senior Chinese pollies first and only scraped in for a 30 mins session apparently.
  
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  June 22, 2023 2:49pm
Maggie Pie

Honestly, twitter can be such a cesspit sometimes!
People asking if Hilary knew anyone on the submersible?
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June 22, 2023 10:41am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Probably worth checking out……
  
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  June 22, 2023 10:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Where is Trump??
  
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  June 22, 2023 11:15am
Gaetano

Five years ago today Greta Thunberg tweeted that “climate change will wipe out all of humanity unless we stop using fossil fuels over the next five years.” 🙂

https://twitter.com/BjornLomborg/status/1671488624712458240/photo/1

Too funny.

Hat Tip: Bjorn Lomborg. Greta deleted the tweet 🙂
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June 22, 2023 10:44am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  A ‘top scientist’ told her so, and 99.something percent of scientists agree, which must mean that makes 99.something percent of scientists wrong.
  I wonder if we’ll ever be allowed to hear from the few scientists who have brains in their heads.
  I know, the 99.something percent claim is BS, and I know that real science isn’t about consensus.
  
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  June 22, 2023 1:17pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    The scientist she referred to was a Kook. Past his useby date totally discredited.
    And Not a Climate Scientist in the accepted sense.
    He runs his own team studying Climate chemistry
    
    https://eps.harvard.edu/people/james-g-anderson
    
    So a little bit of sympathy for Greta quoting an idiot.
    
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    June 22, 2023 4:39pm
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      Aah, yes, I remember legacy media covering that aspect of her tweet at the time she posted it.
      No, wait, the other thing.
      
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      June 22, 2023 7:52pm
ClanMcleod

The most damning evidence to date of vaccine heart damage and death

This is information deliberately not looked for in NZ or deliberately hidden when it looks like showing up.

INCH by agonising inch, we move closer to the denouement of the ‘safe and effective’ Covid vaccine tragedy.

It is agonising for doctors who believed the jab would help protect patients against serious illness; for people harmed and bereaved by the jabs, and for researchers who have been telling us for more than two years (see here, for example) that vaccines based on preparing the body to deal with SARS-CoV-2’s toxic ‘spike’ protein might cause the same type of damage as the virus itself.

Now, in a comprehensive nationwide South Korean study, an expert committee has confirmed 480 cases of vaccine-related heart inflammation (myocarditis), including 21 deaths, 12 of which were in young adults. Ninety-five of the 480 cases were classified as severe, most needing intensive care in hospital and one receiving a heart transplant.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-most-damning-evidence-to-date-of-vaccine-heart-damage-and-death/

In NZ? “Safe and effective and get your booster!”

The analysis may be the most comprehensive to date from anywhere in the world. The committee included seven cardiologists, helped by investigators in 16 regional centres who provided data from medical records. Physicians and health care staff were put under a legal obligation to report suspected adverse events from the jab.

I made a comment to this end a few days.

ANY sudden death should be compelled to check for vaccine involvement. Instead, anyone trying to report a potential negative adverse effect is deliberately discouraged from taking it further.

I know a few people who’s doctors have done this to them. They have found it incredibly difficult to get their injury taken seriously and ACC don’t want a bar of it.

As the opening paragraph above says:

INCH by agonising inch, we move closer to the denouement of the ‘safe and effective’ Covid vaccine tragedy.

Not in NZ. In this totalitarian country, every single MP in parliament continues to deny that there is any issue.
The evidence is already overwhelming, denial will only work for so long. The longer it takes the cowards in our health system and in parliament to acknowledge this, the bigger the backlash will be.

When it happens, it will make Michael Wood’s cock ups look totally benign.
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June 22, 2023 10:47am
- kevn
  
  @Clan… Some pharmacies still have their little banners out plugging the c19 jab. Must be a real good earner for them.
  Incoming medical pros still have the jab mandate. FFS
  
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  June 22, 2023 12:43pm
  - miltonF
    
    I wonder how vaccine mandates affect the quality of healthcare staff. They are forcing them to take an ineffective and dangerous therapy in order to practice. I would have thought that any healthcare professional worth their salt would not take that risk. The data is very clear.
    
    Therefore, poor medical knowledge and less than average intellectual ability are PREREQUISITES to become a medical professional in NZ. You actually have to be ANTI SCIENCE to practice medicine in NZ. Any guesses how that is going to turn out? What a sad joke of a country.
    
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    June 22, 2023 3:02pm
    - kevn
      
      @milton… Exactly. NZ is not considered a good go-to destination for medical pros right now.
      We see that in the medical/nursing staff shortages. Plus mandated medical staff still not able to work.
      
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      June 22, 2023 4:07pm
- mawm
  
  There seems to be no confidence in official enquiries. Both Canada and the UK have “citizen” enquiries on going. Strangely the press can’t be found anywhere near them. //s
  
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  June 22, 2023 1:33pm
  - kowtow
    
    The press.
    
    I find it mildly amusing but of great concern about what the press do think is “news worthy ” from foreign parts to be disseminated to us Plebs .
    
    In Canada for example there’s been huge concern and reports of CCP influencing their elections . Now as a fellow 5 eyes , commonwealth and kin country this should be of major interest to us here , but nothing.( also compare the media obsession and lies re Russia / USA interference)
    
    USA ; the news we’re treated to is all about a silly bath tub toy going missing . Nothing about the nationwide carnage of so called Juneteenth holiday shootings .
    
    Etc
    
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    June 22, 2023 2:09pm
I remember when

Napier Man wakes to find yellow parking lines in front of hillside property, $60 ticket on car: HB Today.
A Napier man who parked his car in his normal spot in front of his Bluff Hill garage in darkness was stunned to find yellow lines on road.

I guess it raises the interesting question as to whether you can be fined for obstructing your own access.
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June 22, 2023 10:49am
ClanMcleod

Shane Warne’s Death Precipitated by Covid mRNA Vaccine Say Leading Doctors

Another who apparently “died suddenly”. Now known to be probably a result of the jab.

Leading doctors have concluded that the death of legendary Australian cricketer Shane Warne was likely precipitated by the Covid mRNA vaccine that he had taken approximately nine months prior to his sudden cardiac death. His post mortem findings revealed coronary atherosclerosis.

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/06/20/exclusive-shane-warnes-death-precipitated-by-covid-mrna-vaccine-say-leading-doctors/

In NZ, “safe and effective and get your booster!”
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June 22, 2023 11:13am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Dr Muriel Newman. Labour’s Climate Scandal.

https://www.nzcpr.com/newsletter/

Eliminate cow farts.
National need to kill the ETS.
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June 22, 2023 12:13pm
stiff cheese

Since Chorus is newsworthy right now, I’ve noticed for some time all their workforce is ‘imported’ (at least in my province).

Why would installing Internet Fibre cables, from street level into homes, require employees who AREN’T White, or Maori, or Oriental?
(And I don’t believe for a minute those jobs are somehow too complex for locals to learn).

Well now we know the answer. Why bother hiring locals when Chorus can just call up “Chorus Shareholder”, Michael Wood (also Minister of Immigration) to get all the visas they want to import their entire workforce from South Asia.

Why bother paying higher wages to locals along with giving them some basic training. What a crazy idea!

So Wood was sitting there deciding which industries can import Cheap Labour with his special whoop-de-doo Visas, and — knock me down with a feather! — one of his own shareholdings was benefiting from his decisions.
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June 22, 2023 12:33pm
- Piniwi
  
  But stiff cheese at the start of the Chorus fibre installations the tech staff were almost all from the Philippines where a $NZ will get you 34 -35 Peso. Yes it was interesting hear Chippie mentioned the Wood/Immigration/Chorus when he had his press release about Wood finally resigning. Apparently Wood had the tech staff included in the Skilled workers covered by the changes.
  
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  June 22, 2023 2:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The guy that installed my fibre was Indian and did a great job. He wasn’t from street level India. Any connection with Wood is irrelevant to me.
  Quite obvious that NZ unemployed are not interested in furthering themselves off the couch.
  
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  June 22, 2023 3:45pm
kevn

@Clan… Some pharmacies still have their little banners out plugging the c19 jab. Must be a real good earner for them.
Incoming medical pros still have the jab mandate. FFS
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June 22, 2023 12:59pm
- Inandout
  
  kevn, pharmacies do get payment for the jabs and is probably the reason they have ‘wear a mask’ signs on their doors. I just ignore the sign if I need to pick up a prescription or shop there.
  
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  June 22, 2023 1:28pm
Its only I

Labour election slogan…

“Build a person a fire, and they will be warm for just a day.
National are outdated and out of ideas,just one day?
Think of the children people!
Think of the cold, shivering children!
We believe in the basic right to be warm!
We believe, no, we know that if you set a person on fire they will be warm for the rest of their life.”

Labour voter:
Wow! go Labour, Lets do this!
I really like the way Labour are so progressive…
Nasty Nats only look out for themselves and their rich buddies, its cold for more than just a day…at least Labour are talking about the cold…

National/Act Voter
???
What the actual F#%!
Lets try and postpone the New Zealand Darwin Awards ceremony this election huh?
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June 22, 2023 1:48pm
Jack5

Hope Seymour know what he’s doing …

ACT has ventured into the controversial ground of employee rights for contractors.

Are there net gains in votes from backing Uber and New Zealand trucking companies in contractor rows?

These contract-drivers tend to have more get-up-and-go than conventional employees doing comparable work, and a small minority of the firms they are contracted to are miserable bastards.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/492436/act-proposes-rules-blocking-contractors-from-claiming-employee-rights
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June 22, 2023 1:58pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Here is today’s nutbar.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/is-peta-suggesting-we-kill-animals-bridge-grills-activist-on-war-against-wool/ar-AA1cRkFL
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June 22, 2023 2:23pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Thing is who is paying these idiots, where does the research money come from?
  My head hurts now.
  
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  June 22, 2023 2:25pm
- Gaetano
  
  “”On the leather side, you’ve got so many plant leathers now; mushrooms and apples and coffee and cactus leaves.””
  
  🙂 so funny.
  
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  June 22, 2023 2:45pm
Jack5

Good Stuff article on Labour’s appalling mental health performance.

A general background to the article…. Heaps (billions) assigned by Labour to improve mental health care.

The article says most of this has gone on providing “practitioners” supplementing GPs for patients with mild mental symptoms. This has attracted nurses and psychologists away from hospitals and into these new roles, leaving hospitals short staffed.

Add to this distortion cited by the article, a vicious cycle as psychiatrists leave hospitals. The double and triple loads on remaining psychiatrists has them looking at the greener fields across the Tasman. The more leave, the worse it gets, the more leave …

What a mess Labour is leaving the mental health service in.

The article:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/132386989/19b-and-four-years-later-mental-health-needs-are-still-not-properly-addressed
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June 22, 2023 3:37pm
kowtow

Here’s a reason for tougher sentencing when it comes to the so called “gangs” , which are actually a massive crimonal conspiracy undermining everything that is civilised about NZ.

They use the “name” to cause fear ,intimidate and defeat justice .

https://www.odt.co.nz/star-news/star-national/mob-death-threat-made-during-home-invasion
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June 22, 2023 4:01pm
kowtow

HDPA going on about the sub and the fact that the world’s media and people are so interested shows we “care” about these 5.

Sorry but HDPA obviously lives in a media bubble ( no surprise there)
and she says how we react to this shows what kind of a person we are ,( apparently alot of folk are gloating that rich folks have died)

Me , I think the contrast of the media’s reaction to this relatively minor tragedy as compared to their reaction to the huge loss of life only the other day off Greece , says alot about the media and how they frame a narrative around nice , rich, white folk as opposed to poor third worlders.

And bear in mind that ferry tragedies ( which are quite common)in the third world get very little “news” coverage , relatively.

So who does “care” .

Only the relatives.
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June 22, 2023 4:21pm
- Jack5
  
  Drawn out disasters attract more attention.
  
  Think of the 33 Chilean miners trapped for three months in 2010. Submariners can also be trapped for days. (Chile, 79th in world by GDP per capita, may well be Third World, too.)
  
  The claustrophobia associated with submarines — also with deep mining — raises the drama. Submarines have their own sub-genre of war movies: “We Dive at Dawn,” “Das Boot,” “Run Silent, Run Deep,” “The Hunt for Red October.”
  
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  June 22, 2023 5:17pm
  - kowtow
    
    Exactly , attention , not care.
    
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    June 22, 2023 5:27pm
    - Ghost
      
      I saw a stuff article, people following this are feeling claustrophobic….. some people attach too much to stories and end up making it about themself
      
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      June 22, 2023 5:51pm
Ghost

10k to buy a senator, cheaper than buying a labour mp?

BREAKING:
@BlackRock
Recruiter Who “Decides People’s Fate” Spills Info on Company’s World Impact

“It’s not who the president is- it’s who’s controlling the wallet of the president”

“You got $10K? You can buy a senator”

“War is real f***ing good for business”

James O’Keefe
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June 22, 2023 5:08pm
- kowtow
  
  Buying a labour mp?
  
  How quickly we forget the JLS saga.
  
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  June 22, 2023 5:59pm
Maggie Pie

Anyone know where ‘Tay Rafferty’ is?

According to 1Ewes flooding is quite bad there and should be avoided.
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June 22, 2023 7:22pm
- Jimbo666
  
  Try looking for him in Poverty Bay territory ?
  
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  June 22, 2023 7:34pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Bring a snorkel and some flippers.
    
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    June 22, 2023 8:11pm
- Prince
  
  Nelson ?
  
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  June 22, 2023 7:46pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Baker Street? 😀 😀 😀
    
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    June 22, 2023 8:05pm
Chris Nisbet

Newshub headline: “‘Really surprised’: Scientists discover Kaikōura’s sea bed on its way to full recovery following catastrophic 2016 quake”
Isn’t it interesting that a marine environment can recover so dramatically after a sudden, massive, upheaval, but scientists are agreed (apparently) that a little bit of gentle warming over a century or so spells
a serious threat to life.
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June 22, 2023 7:48pm
Jack5

Another indication that student-visa immigration was a rort.

Gordon Yu, giving evidence against a fellow criminal in the killing of a meths gang chief, is shown to have come to New Zealand on a a student visa in 2015 to study “culinary arts,” that is, presumably cooking. He dropped out of the course after injuring his hand.

The student-visa rorts were promoted as a way to bring in highly skilled, or intended highly skilled, migrants.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/desert-rd-murder-trial-meth-syndicate-salesman-gordon-yu-testifies-against-fellow-henchman-michael-gu/IP2QEZXKLVCMXOARWER7D24SNI/
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