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Bridgenag

adventures in chart-crime: making climate data look scary
if a picture is worth 1000 words, imagine how many lies it can tell

https://open.substack.com/pub/boriquagato/p/making-climate-charts-look-scary?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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June 20, 2023 8:02am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  These sorts of tactics are the sort of thing that set off my spidey senses – when you see them you know somebody is trying to deceive you.
  If there was anything like a genuine ‘climate crisis!!’ going on cherry-picking and obfuscation wouldn’t be necessary.
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:57am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Here’s a comprehensive list. 24 reasons why net zero must be abandoned.
  
  Here are the first 3 reasons, more than enough. But there are 21 others.
  
  1. Carbon dioxide (CO2) does not cause global warming.
  
  2. There is no evidence that it does.
  
  3. It has never been shown by replicable scientific experiment that CO2 traps heat, either infra-red or any other wavelength.
  
  https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/twenty-four-reasons-why-net-zero-must-be-abandoned/
  
  Like with covid restrictions and trans ideologues screaming at us, it’s surely time to stop debating these clowns and just tell them to go and try and procreate with themselves????
  
  We are wasting so much time and energy that could be put to much more productive uses. These people are oxygen thieves.
  
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  June 20, 2023 10:39am
  - JackRabbit
    
    And the obvious one – CO2 is heavier than air. Plants and trees need CO2 but can’t fly.
    
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    June 20, 2023 10:47am
  - Lenticular
    
    Any gaseous molecule with a net dipole moment (i.e. non symmetric with unequal atoms, as per CO2 which is V shaped) traps IR. That’s how IR spectroscopy works.
    
    That greenhouse gases make our planet warmer is simple fact; if earth had no atmosphere, its temperature would be its black body temperature which would be about 40 degrees colder. (Most of the difference is due to water vapour, which is alleged to have positive feedback from CO2).
    
    I’ve used the lab gear myself, made the CO2 and other gases myself, seen the spectra myself, done the black body calcs as an exercise myself.
    
    This sort of thing makes non climate cultists look really stupid. By all means dispute CO2 as an insignificant contributor, or point at orbital cycles, but saying CO2 doesn’t absorb solar heat is a non starter.
    
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    June 20, 2023 10:58am
    - mawm
      
      IR spectrometry identifies specific wavelengths in the IR band that are absorbed and to what degree they are- not emitted. The EMR absorbed provides the energy that raises the molecules to a higher state and cause the dipole molecules to oscillate and vibrate. Are you saying that this produces more energy than was absorbed? Because if you are then by simply having a box of CO2 and shining the appropriate wavelengths into it will create energy. I don’t think so.
      
      You state as “a fact” that greenhouse gasses make the planet warmer but what you have said has no relationship to this fact. But hey what do I know, I’m only a stupid non-climate cultist.
      
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      June 20, 2023 11:44am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Hi Lenticular. I love an informed comment.
      
      And I agree CO2 absorbs heat.
      
      The calculations you are missing are:
      
      how much heat does co2 absorb,
      
      what proportion of global warming does the proportionally small amount of CO2 in the atmosphere contribute as apposed to Earth’s variable sun orbit and therefore distance from the sun, sun flares, and natural events?
      
      And last but not least, what is man’s contribution to rising CO2 levels compared to the recent largest volcano ever recorded, in Tonga, etc?
      
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      June 20, 2023 11:53am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Glad the knowledgeable people are addressing this. Out of my league, but I know a scam when I smell one.
        
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        June 20, 2023 11:58am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Clan, as I always ask friends and associates who are worried about their CO2 emissions…..
        if anthropagenic climate disaster is real, why are NIWA doctoring public records to remove/change major past weather events?
        
        https://ianwishart.com/2023/03/niwa-temperature-records-found-to-be-false-spot-audit/
        
        And why hasn’t the doctoring of official records been investigated and perpetrators held to account?
        
        The corruption of Jacinda Adern’s pfizer ‘get rich quick’ scheme is now predictably permeating the rest of our public services.
        
        If Jacinda can get away with killing tens of thousands of Kiwi’s to make a quick buck, what’s to stop others profiting more from the anthropagenic climate disaster lie?
        
        The next question is what politician has the moral fortitude to do something about it?
        
        My money has shifted from David (“there are no excess deaths in NZ”) Seymour to Christopher Luxon.
        
        Although nothing will happen without a lot of noise from us (the common people).
        
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        June 20, 2023 12:32pm
    - Burtland
      
      this sort of thing is what makes climate scientists look fools – the earths climate is not some simplistic lab controlled experiment – ffs they cant even accurately predict the weather a week forward
      
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      June 20, 2023 11:56am
      - mawm
        
        There’s a lot of selective data being pushed, earlier temperatures nudged downwards, plotting data measured by one means onto those measured by another, and downright lying. These are not the actions of scientists who can honestly say there is global warming, either anthropogenic or other. These are the actions of academic grifters.
        
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        June 20, 2023 1:38pm
    - JackRabbit
      
      I’ve used the lab gear myself…
      
      A lab is not the atmosphere. Even if CO2 DID absorb heat, the majority of CO2 is on the ground, not up in the ionosphere. If CO2 was mostly in the ionosphere plants would not grow.
      
      AND the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere is insignificant compared to water vapour. There is no CO2 reaches the ionosphere. That is just a theory.
      
      Sunlight has to pass through nearly 10,000 km of atmosphere before it reaches the CO2.
      
      By calculation, at 10,000 km altitude the CO2 is less than .005 ppm. But I suspect the equations are not linear and that figure is overstated.
      
      Before setting up lab experiments always you always check the obvious first.
      
      All gases absorb heat. That is high school science. Tell us something we do not know.
      
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      June 20, 2023 1:11pm
- Local Miller
  
  And he doesn’t even mention that the Satellite UAH data set only starts in 1979 when global temperatures where at a local minimum having dropped over the previous 35 odd years. If the full range of data were provided (the satellite data goes back to the 1960s) AND if they used an earlier baseline, which would make more sense, the graph would look completely different.
  
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  June 20, 2023 12:07pm
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yes, the ideal baseline would arguably be the 1930’s where high temperatures caused droughts & the dustbowls of USA & Russia. Many people starved through lack of food.
    
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    June 20, 2023 12:55pm
Mike

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Happy World Refugee Day!
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June 20, 2023 8:02am
- Matt Long
  
  I believe they’re called immigrants now Mike.
  
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  June 20, 2023 9:19am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I believe they’re called voters!
    
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    June 20, 2023 11:34am
Lee C

Is this guy a disgrace for being ‘phobic’ or a hero for having the moral integrity to wish to protect his students?
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/disgraceful-actions-of-teacher-in-dealing-with-student-s-request-to-use-preferred-name-and-pronouns/ar-AA1cJvCh?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ec6c5d92611045a59a7309a9ade1c7ef&ei=40
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June 20, 2023 8:04am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Good God. The inmates are now running the asylum!
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:08am
  - Ruawai
    
    I am sure the inmates target certain teachers they know will give them the attention and reaction they are looking for.
    
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    June 20, 2023 9:57am
- Nickc2
  
  If the teacher was a Muslim, this fiasco would never see the light of day.
  Oh, the selective morality of Te MSM.
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:11am
  - CRM114
    
    @nickc2. Is False equivalency alert!
    But anyway…if it was a Muslim teacher, what would your view be? Hero or Phobic?
    
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    June 20, 2023 8:38am
    - Nickc2
      
      I fail to see your point(s).
      
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      June 20, 2023 9:40am
      - CRM114
        
        Of course you do.
        
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        June 20, 2023 10:00am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Looks like some Politicians grovel to Muslims who object to mandatory LGBT lessons to students in Schools so perhaps not False Equivalency.
      https://www.nationalreview.com/news/maryland-council-member-apologizes-for-likening-muslims-to-white-supremacists-over-opposition-to-lgbt-lessons/
      
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      June 20, 2023 10:37am
- John Loveridge
  
  I sense a double standard. It seems whatever values the student subscribes to are sacrosanct, but not the teacher’s.
  
  Now how would this have played out if the teacher had been a Muslim?
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:13am
  - CRM114
    
    @John L, lets say it was a Muslim teacher, Hero or Phobic?
    
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    June 20, 2023 8:42am
  - Nickc2
    
    I’m surprised Te MSM didn’t infer the Teacher was a paid-up National Party supporter. //
    
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    June 20, 2023 9:11am
    - sirknz
      
      Even with a PIJF pay off, the media still couldn’t spin a teacher as being a paid up member of the National Party.
      
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      June 20, 2023 9:46am
- Inandout
  
  Lee. paradoxically it will be Islam that turns this transmania on its head. They seem to be the only group that draws a line in the sand.
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:15am
  - Phronesis
    
    Not necessarily. Prohibitions against homosexuality are very strong in Islam and trans is seen as less problematic than gay. In Iran if you are a gay couple then you have to decide which one of you is the woman and they are officially recognised as such, after compulsory surgical reassignment.
    
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    June 20, 2023 10:43am
- kowtow
  
  It’s a politically driven witch trial , sending a very clear message to teachers , “Comply or starve” .
  
  What happens when little Larjayshree demands to be identified as a cat ?
  
  We like to characterise these developments as insanity , which it is , but given there’s a clear far left extreme agenda driving it , it’s actually political and deliberate.
  
  BTW given that the teacher’s council is so self describedly committed to pupils’ ‘safety’ then why aren’t they firing every teacher who’s on strike.
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:18am
  - Ruawai
    
    It is a combination of mental health and fashion.
    
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    June 20, 2023 9:58am
  - Phronesis
    
    This guy was struck off by the Teachers Disciplinary Tribunal. Yet presumably if his employer was a christian school his behaviour would be exactly what his employer expected of him. We aren’t told what his employer thought of his behaviour but there is a serious problem here when a professional accrediting body removes people from the profession for behaviour that some employers would potentially encourage. They also specifically say that his christian world view is inappropriate for teaching and yet christian schools go out of their way to employ staff with exactly that worldview. They do so because that it was the parents who choose to send their children to such schools want.
    
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    June 20, 2023 11:15am
  - JackRabbit
    
    What happens when little Larjayshree demands to be identified as a cat ?
    
    Follow the recommended advice for cats and have it neutered.
    
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    June 20, 2023 1:26pm
- pdm
  
  Sounds like the teacher was at the wrong school. Maybe better suited to a Christian or some other Private school.
  
  Definitely should have got out of the NZ public school system.
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:22am
  - pdm
    
    As an add on my recollection is this happened at a Taranaki School.
    
    Perhaps this teacher could move to Jimmy Shaws Green school- you know the one with all of the dosh Jimmy gave them a year or two back.
    
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    June 20, 2023 8:27am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Sorry, reported you by mistake.
      So a teacher chose to uphold his religious beliefs over the personal decision made by a student.
      I agree with others who have said the teacher might be happier and more secure working in a religious based school.
      I don’t care what people call themselves. I don’t see it as my business.
      A while back an acquaintance announced that they were changing their first name, No explanation offered. The name they chose could be used for any gender.
      So now I call her/him/they X instead of Z.
      Big deal.
      Has it made any difference to my dealings with this person? No.
      The work still gets done – same as before.
      
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      June 20, 2023 8:40am
      - All_on_Red
        
        I think the issue is more that speech is being compelled and if you don’t obey, you will be punished.
        
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        June 20, 2023 8:59am
      - Stellaboxer
        
        Gravel road. I don’t care what people call themselves either but I very much care when they expect me to call them that as well. The whole gender nonsense is about getting the population to join in a lie it’s classic Marxist propaganda. It’s how you demoralise a people get the population to join in lies whilst at the same time discredit their culture and heroes. Have you ever wondered why it’s not enough to have trans equality in law as we have at present but no you have to believe they’re really women even though they have a penis ? Or your a bad person. Ever wondered why this bullshit is only happening in the west and to a greater extent the Five Eyes nations? Coincidence? I think not.
        
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        June 20, 2023 9:02am
      - Matt Long
        
        The motif comes full circle at the end of the novel after the torture Winston suffers in the Ministry of Love breaks his soul; he sits at the Chestnut Tree Café and traces “2 + 2 = 5” in the dust on his table.
        https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/1984/quotes/
        
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        June 20, 2023 9:25am
      - pdm
        
        Gravel – a 14 year old I think.
        
        Are they really capable of such decisions?
        
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        June 20, 2023 9:27am
      - CRM114
        
        @all_on_Red, nope, more than that, from the article:
        ‘The student attempted to compromise, suggesting the teacher use his preferred name but she/her pronouns.
        Again, this was refused with the teacher telling the student he did not want him to go down the “path of sin”.’
        The Teacher was preaching his beliefs to the Student…much like a Zealot would.
        
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        June 20, 2023 9:44am
      - CRM114
        
        @pdm…’Are they really capable of such decisions?’
        
        Is it really any of your business?
        
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        June 20, 2023 9:46am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @CRM114.
        It is everyone’s business. This mentally retarded shit needs to stop. Those pushing it need to be named, shamed and sacked, otherwise the retards will rule the roost.
        
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        June 20, 2023 10:30am
      - All_on_Red
        
        @CRM
        Some compromise.
        The student still wishes to compel the Teacher to use pronouns and then gets them punished like a zealot would when he demurs.
        Looks like your bigotry towards Christians is causing your double standard.
        Say, doesn’t that make you a Zealot too?
        Lol
        
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        June 20, 2023 10:47am
      - CRM114
        
        Steve Otto, it really isn’t.
        Some may hold the same opinion of you, I’m sure you’d tell them to sod off and mind their own business. Maybe you’re projecting?
        Rules for thee, but not for me.
        ‘mentally retarded shit’ ‘retards will rule the roost’.
        Really nice use of the English language.
        
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        June 20, 2023 10:51am
      - CRM114
        
        @all_on_Red, read it again (use his preferred name but she/her pronouns), the student’s compromise was to NOT compel the teacher to use pronouns he disagreed with, only to refer to them by another name, the Teacher was uncompromising and acted exactly as a Zealot would i.e a person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals.
        Engage in distraction and ad hominem all you like, but if the article is accurate, it’s clear to me where the fault lies in this case.
        
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        June 20, 2023 11:18am
      - All_on_Red
        
        CRM- I am not disagreeing that the Teachers comments about Hell etc are inappropriate but the reality is he was being compelled to call someone by a name he objected too.
        The student started it with his zealotry which provoked the teachers reaction.
        To me, they are both nutters.
        The fact you cant see both sides confirms my view you are a religious bigot.
        
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        June 20, 2023 11:35am
      - CRM114
        
        Another ad hominem, Ok [Mod – use correct names]
        (I refuse to be compelled to call you All_on_Red, even if it would be polite and not cost me anything).
        
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        June 20, 2023 11:40am
      - CRM114
        
        Quite right Mod, and if All_on_Red changes their name to something else that I object to, can I keep calling them All_on_Red or will I be compelled to use the new user name on pain of reprimand or removal? (it’s a rhetorical question, I know the answer which is obviously, I should use the new name. It’s the non-a’hole thing to do).
        And to All_on_Red, you’re moving the goalposts now that your original argument (compelled pronouns) has been debunked.
        
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        June 20, 2023 12:05pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        CRM114, I am going to back you (conditionally) on this. It is not a popular position, but KBers could try a little nuance**
        I suggest you drop the ‘zealot’ accusation, if trying to genuinely be a neutral observer, as there are zealots on both sides but:
        ..”@all_on_Red, read it again (use his preferred name but she/her pronouns), the student’s compromise was to NOT compel the teacher to use pronouns he disagreed with, only to refer to them by another name, the Teacher was uncompromising”…
        This struck me too, if it really was to call Martha now an Arthur, then to refuse to do that is just rude and bullheaded.
        This is not the same as refusing to address someone as “Zhem’ or “Zhe”.
        This issue then is preffered pronouns is changed to be REQUIRED (imaginary) pronoun, and we should not be legally forced to play games with the mentally ill or attention starved.
        **So we should look at these case by case, but this is made all the harder given that black and white battlefronts that are being created by internal culture wars & online algorithms.
        And on those battle fronts, there are strange bedfellows and I find myself rooting for Team TERF, Team LGB without the T, Team Bible Thumper and even Team Islam.
        
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        June 20, 2023 12:25pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        No CRM
        I am exposing your bias and hypocrisy
        
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        June 20, 2023 12:26pm
      - CRM114
        
        Fuzzysnuggleduck,
        I’ve only referred to the Teacher as a Zealot, and his actions as stated in the article match the definition of that word. Anyone else who thinks I’m referring to them is projecting.
        I am absolutely looking at this on case by case basis. This case as presented by the article provided, and a clear question asked by LeeC, Hero or Phobic.
        I don’t need backing, I’m well aware of how to garner green ticks in this forum, and that they’re not reflective of ‘right or wrong’. And yes nuance is in short supply.
        
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        June 20, 2023 12:58pm
      - CRM114
        
        All_on_Red, you’ve exposed yourself.
        My position remains:
        ‘Based solely on the information provided in the article.
        If he can’t separate his personal beliefs from his professional responsibilities, then he shouldn’t hold his position.
        He’s there to teach math, not moralize to others.
        Not a hero, clearly a religious zealot.
        Again, based on the article.’
        Others have chosen to bring in ‘whataboutisms’ or maybe commented without reading the article.
        Where is the bias and hypocrisy? Oh right, that’s what you say when you can’t debate without resorting to name calling.
        
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        June 20, 2023 1:04pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Your hypocrisy is your lack of tolerance for the Teachers belief- however badly he expressed himself -yet you say the Teacher has to pander to the Students belief.
        And up to the point when the student did not show respect for his Teachers beliefs there is nothing to show in the Article that the teacher cant separate his belief from his teaching.
        Then there is how you call people Zealots whilst accusing others of Ad Hom remarks.
        Its clear you also lack Religious tolerance. Thats called Bigotry.
        
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        June 20, 2023 1:56pm
      - Local Miller
        
        There’s a long thread particularly pushed by CRM114 that the teacher’s a zealot because he wouldn’t accept a compromise of using only the student’s assumed name and not having to use their preferred pronouns, but this shows a distinct lack of understanding of the teacher’s position and beliefs. In simple terms, the student is trying to make the teacher acknowledge something that is not true ie, they are now a male and not a female. Whether you like it or not, the teacher has at least some level of right to not be forced to acknowledge and abet what he believes is a lie and a sin. Whether he uses him/he instead of she/her, or uses Arthur instead of Martha, both of these are stating something as true that isn’t true. Under his right to religious freedom, surely the teacher has this right, and this is a long way from the zealot accusation as the teacher was not trying to force the student to repent of their sins, only to be allowed to not encourage them down a path they felt was sin. In fact the students demand to be recognized as a male not a female to the point of effectively forcing the teacher to not only lose their job but lose their ability to exercise their chosen profession seems much more zealous.
        
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        June 20, 2023 1:57pm
      - CRM114
        
        Local Miller,
        In the past I’ve referred to the Greens (generally) as Zealots, and it’s garnered a bunch of green ticks.
        Now I’m referring to ONE Teacher, whose actions AS reported fit that description, as a Zealot.
        And suddenly, because this Teacher happens to be Christian, it’s one of the worst slurs ever. Lots of people are projecting their own insecurities here.
        There’s more than one way to be a Christian, and I don’t subscribe to this teacher version.
        zealot
        noun
        1.
        a person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals.
        
        The Student may also be a Zealot, there’s not enough information provided to make that call, particularly as they offered to compromise, (see above for definition again). Fascinating to see the contrast of reactions regardless.
        
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        June 20, 2023 2:37pm
  - Matt Long
    
    The Trans movement is specifically targeting Christian Schools to ensure they cannot act according to Christian doctrine.
    I expect activists will infiltrate Christian Schools with troubled children to create incidents of trans “trauma” to either force schools to compromise their beliefs or be shut down.
    
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    June 20, 2023 9:38am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      A really great book to read if you want to understand Marxist social manipulation methods and Woke in general is Valclav Havel’s excellent essay The Power of the Powerless published by Vintage books one of the most influential pieces of literature in the East Block and credited with being the guiding manifesto uniting the solidarity movements across the Soviet empire. It’s truly enlightening and at the same time disturbing in it’s relevance to how the modern Left are employing the same tactics.
      
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      June 20, 2023 10:27am
  - Ruawai
    
    Not immune at private schools, at my daughters private school a relieving teacher was dismissed for taking down a pride rainbow flag last week.
    
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    June 20, 2023 9:59am
  - I remember when
    
    pdm:
    Lets be honest it’s a draw.
    Surely the compromise would have been to agree to the use of their surname.
    
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    June 20, 2023 2:23pm
- Gaetano
  
  I see it differently. If I had a colleague named Mary who told me she was now a man named Fred, I would comply with how she wanted to be addressed. Because it is no bother to me. So long as she/he is a friendly and competent colleague I don’t care.
  
  However in this case the teacher board, acting with the power of the state, is seeking to control the teacher’s right to free speech. That is a dangerous and slippery slope. Also, unlike my scenario with a colleague, this is a child. Children deserve guidance from teachers if they display signs of delusion. For example a teacher would not affirm an anorexic girl telling the teacher she is “fat”. If he did agree with her she was fat he would be condemned.
  
  Unfortunately we are a long way from peak madness here. It will take more young adults to realise the irreversible mistakes foisted on them by parents and teachers when they were children.
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:31am
  - kowtow
    
    Not only his right to free speech , his right to earn a living in his chosen profession , a teacher.
    
    Once upon a time the association or union was there to vigorously protect that right ; now they seem to be agents of extremist political mind control.
    
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    June 20, 2023 8:36am
  - CRM114
    
    @Gaetano, [sigh] again with the false equivalence to justify your position. It’s the teachers job to teach Math and respect his students, not push his own religious views on them. He essentially told the student they were going to Hell. Who does that to a child. A Zealot does.
    
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    June 20, 2023 8:50am
    - Matt Long
      
      The teacher in this case values his view of religion and his concern for the eternal wellbeing of the child as he sees it more than compliance with the socialist state.
      Communist countries attempted to stamp out Christianity except for those compromised by the state, this is among the first serious steps to remove Christians from positions of influence in New Zealand, as the education system continues down the road to failure and regressive indoctrination this trend will accelerate.
      
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      June 20, 2023 9:33am
      - Ghost
        
        No, the teacher values pushing his beliefs in to others. How would you like it is a trans teacher was pushing their trans beliefs into students? Teachers need to teach the subjects they are paid to teach and leave their beliefs at home, all beliefs, including the racist crap they are pushing, their political agenda’s, their religious beliefs.
        
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        June 20, 2023 9:37am
      - Matt Long
        
        From what I have seen of the reporting of the issue, the teacher explained why he would not comply with the trans demand to lie about the gender they were conceived with.
        Everyone pushes their beliefs in society as you have just now Ghost as a part of culture wars.
        I respect your right to do so, and appreciate your perspective.
        You may enjoy society less in future as neo paganism and ethno Marxism gain the ascendency in culture wars here, and free and prosperity fall dramatically.
        
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        June 20, 2023 9:48am
      - Ghost
        
        Doesn’t matter what his excuse is, if he wants to push his religious beliefs a public school is not the place. He is there to teach, not push his beliefs on others
        
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        June 20, 2023 9:52am
      - Liberty
        
        Ghost
        So you say it is wrong for a teacher to voice their opinion on religen?
        Do you also consider it inappropriate for a Teacher
        to molest the minds of children with labour
        socialist agenda?
        This teacher should be applauded for showing fortitude and giving this child a life lesson.
        
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        June 20, 2023 11:18am
    - Nickc2
      
      People selling/promoting religion have been telling kids for eons that if they do this/that, they will go to hell. When I went to school, we were all destined to end up in hell according to our teachers/masters.
      
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      June 20, 2023 9:37am
      - CRM114
        
        Nickc2, that’s a weak sauce justification for this teachers behavior.
        
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        June 20, 2023 9:53am
    - CRM114
      
      @Matt, ever heard of…wait for it…Theocracies?
      Who appointed this teacher the arbiter of this students moral compass?
      
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      June 20, 2023 9:50am
      - Matt Long
        
        Freedom of religion gives the right not to be religious but also the right for people to hold and express religious values.
        
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        June 20, 2023 10:44am
      - JackRabbit
        
        CRM114,
        
        He was appointed to teach education, and part of that is respecting reality.
        
        I identify as God, so if you care to respond to my post please precede your reply with “Your most reverent Holiness.”
        
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        June 20, 2023 1:33pm
      - CRM114
        
        JackRabbit, Unfortunately the rules of the blog state I have to use your user name (I’ve already been pulled up on this). However, if you want to change your user name to “Your most reverent Holiness.” then I’d be quite happy to oblige (I’d have to actually).
        FYI he appointed to teach Math, not English, not PE, not ‘education’, but M A T H, and last time I checked Math doesn’t have a religious (ie HIS religion in this case) component to it.
        Did you read the article?
        I’d like to hear more about your God complex, what’s that about? Sounds fascinating.
        
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        June 20, 2023 1:51pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        CRM114
        
        I’m sorry, what I am, and what I identify as are different. According to your argument and the current woke agenda, I must be refereed to by how I identify, not some silly blog edict.
        
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        June 20, 2023 3:33pm
      - CRM114
        
        JackRabbit,
        wat? I said I’d refer to you as “Your most reverent Holiness.” if that’s what you want, but it’s just going to get edited out with a Mod warning. Not much I can do about it I’m afraid, you’ll need to take it up with the Admins.
        I do want to help you, you seem to need it, but there’s only so much I can do “Your most reverent Holiness.”
        
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        June 20, 2023 4:21pm
    - Gaetano
      
      A girl saying she is a boy IS analogous to a malnourished girl saying she is obese. They deserve the same response.
      
      I was not aware he told her she was going to hell. If true that was wrong.
      
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      June 20, 2023 10:09am
      - CRM114
        
        Gaetano, specifically that s/he was sinning, and referred to the devil. I think it’s reasonable to conclude he thought s/he would go to hell.
        I still argue it’s a false equivalence, but in addition you also literally invoked the ‘slippery slope’ fallacy.
        
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        June 20, 2023 10:31am
      - Matt Long
        
        The slippery slope fallacy, is that the one where you legalise euthanasia for people with painful fatal illnesses, then it moves to people with a ringing in their ears?
        Or when you legalise homsexuality, then institute civil unions as a final step, then gay marriage, then prosecutions for people who won’t bake wedding cakes, then pronouns, then…?
        
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        June 20, 2023 10:55am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Gaetano – he wouldn’t have even brought up religion except HE was being FORCED to say he believed something that isn’t actually true.
        It is his belief. It is no more outrageous than the pupil claiming they are a different sex than the one they were born. It works both ways. If you can impose what I believe are your lunatic ideas on me then surely I can do the same to you?
        
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        June 20, 2023 11:11am
      - CRM114
        
        Matt Long, hold up, do you think homosexuality should be illegal?
        
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        June 20, 2023 12:34pm
      - Matt Long
        
        No
        
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        June 20, 2023 2:18pm
      - CRM114
        
        Then why did you try to use that as an example?, Is it Civil unions, or Gay Marriage that you object to?
        Seems like you didn’t think it through.
        
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        June 20, 2023 2:48pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      CRM114 – bullshit. If the kid can compel the teacher to accept their views on what their gender is then why does the teacher not have the same rights?
      It works both ways. The kid is ‘identifying’ as something they aren’t. The teacher believes in a sky God. It can be scientifically proven that the kid is not a different gender to the one they were born. The other is a faith, but it can’t be proven to not exist.
      
      The only zealots in this day and age are the trans ideologues, along with the climate loons, the worst of the Branch Covidians who still thinks vaccines are safe and effective or that masks actually work.
      
      Anyone supporting this destructive lunacy needs to wake up.
      
      And no, this is not being anti LGB. It’s totally anti the other alphabet madness that is infecting society. Do what you want, but do no harm to others.
      
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      June 20, 2023 11:00am
      - Ghost
        
        The teacher doesn’t have to accept it, but they should give the student the respect to address them by their chosen gender. Most of these kids are trying to find themselves, left alone some will end up being gay, a handful Trans, most will just go back to identifying as straight gender they were born as
        
        I have a friend whose niece decided she was a boy. Her family supported her, she had a counselor that supported her. She graduated high school last month back as a girl.
        
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        June 20, 2023 11:20am
      - Matt Long
        
        I wish I had friends.
        
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        June 20, 2023 11:52am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      I agree that we can’t consider refusal to use a name that a person wants to be known by as “Free Speech” ; it is just basic courtesy.
      
      I DO support push back against people demanding the use of silly imaginary pronouns – but a failure to use someone’s name is not a religious issue or one of heaven or hell & eternal damnation.
      I know multiple people who have changed surnames, or even taken their wife’s name, and I would be a dick if I insisted “my religion” was “patriarchal”, and I persisted in naming this particular beta-male with his name from high school.
      Instead I accept his new Facebook page, and will save any snickering about this to amongst our former classmates and peers only {he is onto wife #3}.
      Certainly not an issue to force in the workplace, classroom or within any other place: unless causing hurt was the intention.
      
      The trans movement however might want to consider that it has alienated and chosen to go into war over matters that people feel strongly about, so it might be met with contempt and hostility as a matter of course.
      
      Gay rights & sexual orientation for the most part did/do not affect other people at all directly, but Trans rights involve changes around the use of gendered spaces, access to women’s sports, or compel behavior or language from others.
      The great amount of negative attention they receive is 100% on their own conduct.
      A man in a dress is no longer camp or funny or cute to me. It is the uniform of an enemy, I am honestly sad to say.
      
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      June 20, 2023 12:44pm
      - Local Miller
        
        !Fuzzysnuggleduck you have missed the relevance of the name. I don’t have an issue with people changing their names either, but when that change reflects a lie about that person then should I as a Christian be forced to sustain the lie by using the new name? The name change details aren’t given, but it’s reasonable to assume that the change reflected a change in gender, such as Martha to Arthur. This is the same lie as calling her “him/he” when clearly she is still genetically a she.
        
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        June 20, 2023 2:14pm
      - CRM114
        
        Local Miller
        You’ve missed all relevance. YOU can do whatever you like as Joe Blow citizen, you’re not this Math teacher.
        Stop trying to generalize a specific case.
        
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        June 20, 2023 2:55pm
    - Clownworld
      
      A conversation about beliefs happens all the time in life, at work or school or social interactions. It is simply opinions and beliefs , everyone should be allowed to express themselves freely.
      
      Yes there is a time and place. Sometimes these overlap , sometimes they don’t. No big deal.
      
      As for compelling someone to indulge in a psychological delusion of gender dysphoria by calling a male a female name. Pointless and stupid.
      
      A recent case when someone demanded like a silly 2 year old pretending to be a cat ( teens and toddlers are similar for both hormonal and brain development stages in their behaviour) where does the madness end?
      
      The truth hurts sometimes. Objective reality is not about opinions and pandering to the political trend of the day.
      
      Let our words be true, kind and necessary.
      
      These aberrant illogical demands to compel speech to identify someone else as something that does not correspond to reality is wrong.
      
      Let’s stop pandering and help people get a grasp on the facts of life.
      
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      June 20, 2023 12:49pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        A recent case when someone demanded like a silly 2 year old pretending to be a cat… …where does the madness end?
        
        When the parents arrive to pick up said toddler from daycare, only to find said toddler has been neutered, de-wormed, and sitting in a cage at the SPCA waiting for a home because the parents were mistreating said “cat” by insisting it was a human child.
        
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        June 20, 2023 1:38pm
    - Local Miller
      
      Except the teacher didn’t “push his own religious views on (the student)”. Read the article, the student made a request and the teacher explained it was against their religion. No pushing, just a statement of fact. If the student had shown some respect for the teachers strongly held belief the thread would have stopped there. Instead the student took things further at which point the teacher expanded on their belief.
      At no point was the teacher pushing their belief, they were only asking to be allowed to behave in alignment with their belief. This accords with what the student was allowed to do. The student believed they were a male in a female body and arranged for a physical change to reflect this – so lived by their belief, but they then tried to force the teacher to not live by his belief. Sorry, the student is the zealot, trying to force their belief onto the teacher.
      
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      June 20, 2023 2:08pm
      - Ghost
        
        The student did show respect, the student was simply asking to be called by their chosen name and said the teacher could continue to call them a her or a she, she wasn’t pushing for to be called a him or a he, just her chosen name.
        
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        June 20, 2023 2:18pm
    - leoj
      
      The teacher deserves a commendation for trying to save this idiot kid’s life.
      
      Great to see some push back against idiocy. This crap needs to be stopped in its tracks.
      
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      June 20, 2023 6:19pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Gaetano “I see it differently. If I had a colleague named Mary who told me she was now a man named Fred, I would comply with how she wanted to be addressed. Because it is no bother to me. So long as she/he is a friendly and competent colleague I don’t care” But what if she asked you to not only call her Fred but to believe she was a man, not just mouth and indulge her fantasy but to believe. There are activists who are now saying that if as a Lesbian you don’t want to date/ sleep with a trans woman with a penis you are transphobic. You see the small lie leads to the bigger lie and having accepted the small lie defending a position on the bigger lie becomes ever harder. Thats why the left never start with the big lies always the little ones they’re easier to swallow by those that don’t like rocking boats or putting their heads above the parapets . Which is the vast majority of the population. It’s how be kind worked.
    
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    June 20, 2023 2:05pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I’m fortunate not to have staff or colleagues, but if I did, and one of them told me they had changed their gender I’d politely point out that they can identify as anything they choose, but I also choose not to participate in their delusion.
    
    Does it matter what we call them? I think, 100% YES it matters. Anyone who is deluded enough to imagine they can change their gender (or sex, exact same thing) is clearly mentally unwell and almost certainly not fit for work. Words matter.
    
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    June 20, 2023 4:22pm
- Lenticular
  
  If ACT and National won’t openly commit to allowing you as a Christian to have full participation in the labour market and in public life, don’t vote for them. Simple.
  
  If you let ACT and National get away with refusing to stand up for you on this, then you are part of the problem.
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:34am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    What the heck does this have to do with Act and/or National? You’re the only person suggesting they are somehow involved.
    
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    June 20, 2023 9:45am
    - Lenticular
      
      Oh, I agree, they aren’t involved, and they will go to great measures to avoid having to take on the woke.
      
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      June 20, 2023 11:00am
    - Clownworld
      
      Look at Luxon, a duplicitous fool.
      He tiptoes around the media by not giving straight honest answers and uses corporate speak.
      
      Are National and Act in agreeance with the teacher?
      
      Luxon’s latest example on the one hand wants to identify as a Christian to get some votes.
      On the other hand won’t say abortions is murder, just repeats he is pro life and adds Nicola is pro choice.
      
      Luxon or Chippie are both the representatives of the uni party, the globalists who want you to do as they wish not what you believe.
      
      As for Seymour, the most pragmatic unprincipled politician around.
      
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      June 20, 2023 1:10pm
      - leoj
        
        Yep, the whole bloody lot of them, 121 MPs acted disgracefully during the mandate protest.
        
        Hiding behind Jacinda’s skirt is a scar they should ALL carry.
        
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        June 20, 2023 6:22pm
  - Gaetano
    
    Political parties should not be making any statements about any religion. All citizens should have the same rights and responsibilities regardless of ethnicity or religion.
    
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    June 20, 2023 10:23am
    - Lenticular
      
      Of course they should.
      People are being fired because their religion contradicts the Left’s politics. So the Right ought to oppose this. It’s not complicated.
      
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      June 20, 2023 11:17am
      - Gaetano
        
        “If ACT and National won’t openly commit to allowing you as a Christian to have full participation in the labour market and in public life, don’t vote for them.”
        
        No. They simply need to say that all citizens will be treated equally and that the state will no longer collect any information on religious beliefs or ethnicity.
        
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        June 20, 2023 12:23pm
      - Lenticular
        
        @Gaetano Sure, we will all be equally obliged to kowtow to far left gender ideology. Trans kid comes up to you and demands you use the wrong pronoun: a Christian ought to be able to say no.
        
        There is no avoiding this conflict. Either teachers have freedom of conscience and religion, or they don’t.
        
        National and ACT will either make it clear that they will ensure teachers do, or they won’t.
        
        If they won’t, we should not vote for them. It becomes preferable to hold out and wait for the day of judgement rather than assist gender ideology become the law of the land.
        
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        June 20, 2023 1:06pm
      - Ghost
        
        kid tried to reach a compromise with the teacher, teacher refused saying they didn’t want the kid going down a path of sin.
        
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        June 20, 2023 1:09pm
      - Lenticular
        
        @Ghost Pretending that the teacher giving a “no thank you, that’s against my religon” would have ended any differently is dishonest.
        
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        June 20, 2023 2:03pm
      - Ghost
        
        The student took a comprise to the teacher asking the teacher to call her by her chosen name but that the teacher could continue to call her a her or a she. Would have been the end of it, he didn’t have to call her a he or a him, just her chosen name
        
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        June 20, 2023 2:09pm
- CRM114
  
  Based solely on the information provided in the article.
  If he can’t separate his personal beliefs from his professional responsibilities, then he shouldn’t hold his position.
  He’s there to teach math, not moralize to others.
  Not a hero, clearly a religious zealot.
  Again, based on the article.
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:35am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    If the kid can’t separate their personal biological beliefs (because that’s what they are, beliefs) from their education then they should leave. They are their to be educated, not to compel others to believe their delusion.
    Why should the teacher have to accept the student’s beliefs but the student doesn’t have to accept the teacher’s belief?
    
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    June 20, 2023 11:19am
    - JackRabbit
      
      Would it be OK for the child to identify as a dog and urinate in the corner?
      
      Or hump the leg of other students?
      
      Or go take a dump in the playground?
      
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      June 20, 2023 1:41pm
      - CRM114
        
        JackRabbit, Did that happen in this instance, because the article doesn’t mention any of that?
        
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        June 20, 2023 1:57pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        CRM114
        
        No, but if a child is allowed to identify as a dog or a cat, as has happened, the doing doggy things is part of that.
        
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        June 20, 2023 3:35pm
      - CRM114
        
        Where has this happened, and how is it relevant to this case, I’ve linked the actual case below.
        Read it and stop being hysterical.
        
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        June 20, 2023 4:11pm
      - JackRabbit
        
        @CRM114
        
        Where has this happened, and how is it relevant to this case, I’ve linked the actual case below.
        
        Science and proper law are based on principles. The details of the case are one thing. I am testing the generic principles underlying your assumptions and statements regarding the case.
        
        Perhaps you have heard of the principle of precedent. Or are principles a foreign concept to you?
        
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        June 20, 2023 4:40pm
      - CRM114
        
        Your holiness or whatever (mods, it’s ok he asked me to refer to him as this, see above).
        you said: ‘No, but if a child is allowed to identify as a dog or a cat, as has happened.’
        Again, where has this happened and what has it got to do with this case? No one was asking to be identified as a dog, you’re being hysterical to make that leap.
        
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        June 20, 2023 5:28pm
    - miltonF
      
      I feel like people are missing the point. No one should be forced to adhere to another’s beliefs. Beliefs by definition can not be proven and are essentially someone’s opinion. The education system should not revolve around feelings and opinions. It should revolve around facts. There is too much emphasis on the belief system of the teacher. It is irrelevant in this particular case as the teacher’s belief is in complete alignment with the facts, science and reality. The child was born a male and will always be a male. This is called science, not religion.
      
      I strongly support the idea that religion/cult/belief systems should not be allowed in our schools. However in this case I only see one side pushing a “belief” system, and it isn’t the teacher.
      
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      June 20, 2023 3:27pm
      - Ghost
        
        She was born a female, not a male
        
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        June 20, 2023 3:36pm
      - CRM114
        
        Milton, I’ve linked the decision down below, it’s abundantly clear who was pushing their beliefs.
        
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        June 20, 2023 4:09pm
  - leoj
    
    So, the kid is allowed to bring his beliefs to school but not the teacher?
    
    Next thing you’ll be advocating that six-year-olds be allowed to smoke, drink and vote.
    
    The teacher is a hero for trying to save the kid’s life.
    
    The kid’s parents sure aren’t.
    
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    June 20, 2023 6:27pm
- BarryB
  
  Its a bit of both.
  
  Firstly I would give him top marks for moral integrity.
  But then I thought “when I was at school we were all known by our surname” If there were two of the same surname then you would be Smith.J or Smith. B. But since then the teaching profession has gone all “lets be friends and use first names”.
  If the teachers had not gone all silly then there would be no problem in this instance.
  Also the school should be using the students legal name. If the student changed legal name then no problem.
  The fact that the school enforced a non- legal name is worrying – it sort of gives approval to using any old name at any time.
  
  Its one of the problems that exist in the rental area. People will supply by email a pre-tenancy application using one name but when they go the next step they use a different name. Its often done by maori females who seem to have a maori name for the Maori world and a different name for the general world. What the landlord or agent doesn’t know is which is the legal name – so its a risk that’s not worth taking so the applicant loses out.
  
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  June 20, 2023 9:08am
  - CRM114
    
    BarryB, that’s quite a journey you went on to go from ‘Teacher finds specious reasons to disrespect student’ to ‘Rental Tenancy Agreements’.
    From the article:
    ‘The tribunal said there was no legal obstacle to calling the student by his preferred name and his arguments referencing abortion and homosexuality in this context were “disgraceful”.’
    
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    June 20, 2023 9:27am
- backster
  
  Don’t the teachers address pupils by their surname now and use the pronoun ‘You” or in this case “Nancy boy.” The teacher’s explanation seems rational to me. Is Christianity to become a crime. The School Board seems unsuitable to purpose.
  
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  June 20, 2023 9:19am
- Ghost
  
  School is a place for teachers to teach students, not push their beliefs. If this was a left leaning teacher pushing trans people would be moaning.
  
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  June 20, 2023 9:21am
  - Yabster
    
    lol naive if you think schools don’t push the lefts “beliefs”- try fucking pride week for one, the make-believe NZ history curriculum is another.
    
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    June 20, 2023 9:46am
    - Ghost
      
      No yabster as usual you cannot read and you insert what you think people saying into the conversation
      
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      June 20, 2023 9:53am
      - Yabster
        
        I think you meant “are” saying [Mod – use people’s correct user names]
        My reading is outstanding ..- I went to school/Uni in the Eighties/Nineties when our education system was one of the best in the world and teachers weren’t woke lefties pushing rainbow, woke bullshit on students and placing more importance on confessing your white privilege/learning a useless language as opposed to hmm I don’t know reading and writing…
        
        How was your education Ghost?
        
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        June 20, 2023 10:49am
      - Ghost
        
        You should ask for a refund on your education and stop putting what you think into what people haven’t said.
        
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        December 20, 2022 10:57am
      - Yabster
        
        aww Ghost have I hurt your feelings?- my education was free in fact they paid me to be at Uni- I am now a very successful and very rich Finance/IT manager … my white privilege is immense……(although I had to do a lot of work and take personal responsibility- but that’s beside the point)……we probably wouldn’t mix in the same social circles Ghost but good luck to you [Mod – abuse deleted]
        
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        June 20, 2023 12:29pm
      - Ghost
        
        Awww, poor yabster, you should try reading the words bin the screen and stop pretending there is something there that it isn’t.
        
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        June 20, 2023 12:51pm
      - Yabster
        
        Ghost you have said that three times- (although “the words bin the screen” is testing my reading and understanding skills… try and be original and try not to take comments to heart – don’t be an All White Ghost…
        
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        June 20, 2023 1:14pm
      - Local Miller
        
        Ghost, you have a very naive view of education if you think teachers “keep their beliefs at home”. ALL teaching is done from a belief system, and it’s impossible to separate what you do and say from what you believe. I recommend you take a hard look at your daily life and see how much your interactions with those around you are impacted by your belief. And even believing in “nothing” is a belief.
        As I said earlier in this thread, the teacher only wanted to be allowed to live by his beliefs. The so called compromise was just another attempt to make the teacher compromise on his beliefs. No one should be forced to compromise on their beliefs in this way.
        
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        June 20, 2023 2:31pm
    - Matt Long
      
      Ghost believes teaching can be delivered in a moral vacuum, which is a novel concept.
      
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      June 20, 2023 10:57am
      - Ghost
        
        Do I?
        
        Actually what I believe is teachers should be teaching what they are paid to teach and keeping their own beliefs at home. Not once in my education did I have any teachers push their beliefs on students. But people here have no problem with teachers pushing beliefs they support on to students
        
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        June 20, 2023 11:03am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Going to be funny when Ghost discovers that most School mottos are all about the Schools intended values
        Lol
        
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        June 20, 2023 11:17am
      - Local Miller
        
        @Ghost “Not once in my education did I have any teachers push their beliefs on students”
        
        I take it you weren’t concentrating in class if you BELIEVE this. did you learn about evolution? If yes, then your teacher was pushing their beliefs because despite the rhetoric, evolution has not be proved (sorry). Did any teacher talk about sex or the right to an abortion, or whether they didn’t believe in God? If so, they were pushing their belief.
        More true to say you didn’t realize the teachers were pushing their belief.
        
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      - CRM114
        
        Local Miller
        ‘evolution has not be proved’
        Ok, I see, thanks for providing a good yardstick for your intelligence. Clearly big brain genius level.
        
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        June 20, 2023 4:28pm
  - Taieri
    
    School is a place for teachers to teach students, not push their beliefs
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    Conversely, school is a place for pupils to learn, not to force their delusions on teachers.
    
    Teachers are there to teach, but also to provide a guidance. A guidance as to the standards of behaviour, social interaction and so on. It’s called the pedagogy.
    It is all very well to talk about “respect” and “pushing beliefs” but where do we draw the line? Are 14 years old children to dictate now that 2 plus 2 equals 5?
    In the end both sides are wrong. The teacher pushing his fundamentalist Christian beliefs in the state (non-religious) school and the Teaching Council pushing irrational gender ideology.
    
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    June 20, 2023 9:52am
    - Ghost
      
      A teacher is there to teach the students their subjects not to judge or counsel someone on their sexuality or gender and they aren’t qualified to do so. If Bob wants to be a Jill that is between them, their parents, and what ever support they are getting
      
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      June 20, 2023 10:36am
      - Taieri
        
        to judge or counsel someone on their sexuality or gender and they aren’t qualified to do so
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        And who is qualified to do so?
        
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        June 20, 2023 11:35am
      - Ghost
        
        A Counselor
        
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        June 20, 2023 11:43am
      - Clownworld
        
        Conversations happen all the time. A clash of beliefs happen all the time. Get used to it. Everyone judges others , it is part of what helps us discern rightly or wrongly what we like or dislike.
        
        “No one is an island we are all part of the main”
        
        As for counsel anyone can counsel. Wise counsel though is much harder to find.
        
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        June 20, 2023 1:16pm
      - Ghost
        
        No everyone can’t especially a teacher that tells a student they are going down a path of sin
        
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        June 20, 2023 1:20pm
    - miltonF
      
      Being unable to change your gender is now a fundamental Christian belief? And here’s me thinking it’s basic biological science.
      
      Look. Do you guys understand how narrative control works? What is happening is the state and the MSM are trying to set the stage that this conflict is one of ideology vs ideology. When viewing the issue through this lense, it appears that one belief system is no better than the other belief system. They are equals as there is no factual basis behind belief systems. Therefore theoretically, trans ideology deserves equal respect to religious ideology. I know that will upset some people here.
      
      But the FACT is, that this is not a battle of trans ideology vs Christian ideology. It is a battle of trans ideology vs science. The argument is only being reduced or confused as a battle of ideology vs ideology, because the trans movement knows that this is a battle than can be won. Trans ideology cannot win a battle against facts and science.
      
      Don’t take your eye off the ball guys.
      
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      June 20, 2023 4:36pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Ghost – it’s an apparently trans child pushing their beliefs on the teacher and the rest of us. The teacher didn’t start this. The child did.
    The teacher is simply giving his reason why he can’t comply.
    If the teacher had began this by telling the child they had to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ then that would be wrong.
    The child is there to learn, not push their beliefs.
    
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    June 20, 2023 11:23am
    - Ghost
      
      Telling a student you won’t call them by their chosen name because you don’t want them going down a path of sin is pushing their religious belief
      
      2021, Mr taught a student in his Year 10 mathematics class.
      During that time, the student was transitioning genders from female to male.
      The student’s preferred (male) name was recorded on Kamar, the School’s
      online portal. Mr refused to call the student by his preferred name
      and pronouns. Instead, he continued to call the student by his previous
      (female) name and pronouns. In or around February 2021, Mr had
      a meeting with the student during a morning tea break and stated that
      transitioning was against his religion. The student came up with a compromise
      and suggested Mr call him by his preferred name but could use the
      pronouns she/her. Mr refused to agree to this and said that “he
      didn’t want [the student] to go down the path of sin” or words to that effect.
      Mr met with (the principal) of the School twice in March 2021 and
      confirmed his refusal to use the student’s preferred name and pronouns. He
      told (the principal) that he would not follow his instruction to call the student
      by his preferred name and pronouns because of his religious beliefs.
      
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      June 20, 2023 12:12pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Teaching (like medicine) is controlled by a politically appointed (and unelected) body. If you do not comply with the policies of the governing body, you will lose your license. Democracy is not in the equation.
  
  Perhaps our schoolchildren should be taught Voltaire’s quote: “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”
  
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  June 20, 2023 9:35am
  - CRM114
    
    Odakyu-sen, absurdities, like the Bible? Because a lot of atrocities have been committed in the name of Religion.
    
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    June 20, 2023 9:59am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Voltaire’s quote still stands when it comes to some religious and quasi-religious beliefs including anthropogenic climate change and critical ____ theories.
      
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      June 20, 2023 10:20am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        And covid responses. Never forget those. Nor the atrocities that were committed and are still being committed.
        
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        June 20, 2023 11:25am
    - Lenticular
      
      Religion has nothing on secular politics when it comes to atrocities, never has.
      Not even Islam, which is an absolute outlier in that way.
      
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      June 20, 2023 11:04am
      - Taieri
        
        All religions exist to provide their adherents with purpose in life and as follows to organize communal relationships. That includes secular politics, although not necessarily “atrocities”. The latter arise from interpretations of religious prescriptions.
        
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        June 20, 2023 11:39am
    - Clownworld
      
      A lot more love and fruits of the spirit have been committed in an attempt to emulate Jesus Christ. Millions have had their lives improved as well as a result of changed lives due to their faith and belief.
      
      As for the secular humanist ideologies like Marxism, Socialism and Communism have killed millions. They haven’t provided the world answers for life and instead helped progress a humanistic centred existentialist nihilism that lacks a glimmer of hope.
      
      Still each to their own.
      
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      June 20, 2023 1:23pm
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Its around beliefs, and at the moment, one set of beliefs is easily trumping (ugh, hate what has become of that word!) another.
  
  One set: I believe in sky fairies. OK, cool, you’re allowed
  
  Another set: I don’t have the requisite tackle but I’m a boy.
  
  Well, actually no, you’re not a boy. Your a girl (and a very young one at that) who wants to be a boy. That’s OK too, but like most beliefs we shouldn’t have them impact others. And forcing others to call you Bobwithtackle doesn’t make it real – and that also means you’re forcing your beliefs on others. But the nasty man isn’t allowed to force his on you. Hypocrisy, much?
  
  Its a shit show.
  
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  June 20, 2023 9:57am
  - Lenticular
    
    Have you not stopped to consider that belief in ‘sky fairies’ seems to have worked as the basis for society for centuries, and ‘boys can be girls’ came about as soon as God was abandoned?
    
    You guys promised a rational, scientific society and delivered pregnant ‘men’ and pansexual mobs.
    
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    June 20, 2023 11:07am
  - miltonF
    
    Exactly. It’s just one ideology vs another. Neither can be proven, so in my book, both should be kept out of schools.
    
    But this is merely a red herring. Why are we even discussing ideologies? I thought schools are supposed to focus on facts and science. They are not centres of indoctrination.
    
    And what does the science say? That you cannot change your gender.
    
    This is why the debate is being framed as ideology vs ideology. Ideology can only ever win in a debate against other ideologies. It is impossible for ideologies to compete against facts and science. It’s a completely controlled narrative to give artificial support to trans ideology. “It’s just like a religion so we have to respect it”.
    
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    June 20, 2023 4:51pm
- rouppe
  
  It’s neither. He has his beliefs, which this employer has decided are subservient to someone else’s beliefs
  
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  June 20, 2023 10:33am
  - Matt Long
    
    Not his employer, the teacher’s council.
    
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    June 20, 2023 4:05pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  He’s the second martyr in the trans assault on society. Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull being the first.
  
  Our society is being ripped apart by useful idiots who don’t realise they are useful idiots. To have a ‘Great Reset’, first you must destroy what exists.
  With transgender, climate and covid policies, all heavily funded and driven by substantial money, we are well down that road.
  
  On that note, the Babylon Bee has it nailed as usual.
  
  Dollar Sign Officially Added To LGBTQ$ Acronym
  
  https://babylonbee.com/news/dollar-sign-added-to-lgbtq-acronym
  
  There is substantial money supporting this movement, it is not organic by any stretch.
  
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  June 20, 2023 10:51am
- Philview
  
  The punishment of cancelling his teacher registration is extreme. I don’t see it as a Christian faith based issue but a new tool of control. The use of preferred pronouns has been manufactured and is being used to control what people can say. The same people who want to control what we say about pronouns want to control what we say about a lot of other stuff.
  
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  June 20, 2023 11:20am
- Local Miller
  
  Could probably get the revoking of his teacher registration overturned on the grounds of discrimination based on religion.
  
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  June 20, 2023 12:19pm
- NoFax
  
  First, I will assume the news report isn’t an accurate reflection of the events. The so-called reporter probably hates the teacher and Christianity in general. This is another propaganda piece to advance the cause.
  However, it’s a fact that a girl cannot become a boy. This is not something humans can do, as we cannot flap out arms to fly. The teacher is right to point out the truth. This girl is in fact suffering under a delusion and no one has to comply with that delusion. It’s important that we are free to speak the truth – that’s the first casualty in war. And we are in a war for a free society. Without the ability to speak the truth then all is lost.
  
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  June 20, 2023 12:37pm
  - Ghost
    
    No the teacher is not correct to tell any student they are going down a path of sin
    
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    June 20, 2023 12:47pm
    - Clownworld
      
      Why not?
      
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      June 20, 2023 1:46pm
    - NoFax
      
      I wrote that we should be free to say the truth that a person cannot change sex. That’s not something humans can do. Let’s be very clear on why the teacher was disciplined. He won’t go along with the lie of the trans movement. Everything else, which may or may not have happened (the MSM are liars) is an excuse. It’s another way to bash Christians. However, this is a scientific argument as it’s a scientific fact that individuals cannot change sex.
      Second, teachers are pushing the lie of transgenderism all the time without being disciplined – it’s State approved. One teacher says “no” and he stopped from teaching again.
      
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      June 20, 2023 2:33pm
    - miltonF
      
      Really Ghost? Does that apply to climate sin? For some reason I recall teachers being all-in on the climate sin stuff. Striking etc.
      
      So if a student commits the sin of misgendering a fellow student, teacher should just look away?
      
      You could at least be consistent with your arguments.
      
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      June 20, 2023 5:08pm
      - Ghost
        
        The teacher told the student she was going down a path of sin. It’s not a teachers job to push their beliefs onto the student and claim the student is committing a sin.
        
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        June 20, 2023 5:13pm
- CRM114
  
  If anyone actually wants to read the decision so they can make informed comments, here is the link:
  https://teachingcouncil.nz/assets/Uploads/CAC-v-Teacher-v16.pdf
  TL:DR He fucked around and found out. Absolute definition of a Zealot, go ahead, read it.
  I’ll engage, if you can show you’ve read the decision and are sincere, but false fallacies and ad hominem attacks will be ignored.
  
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  June 20, 2023 4:04pm
  - NoFax
    
    Why read it? There is an assumption that that the teachers council is impartial. They already have decided that humans are able to change sex. They are purging anyone who speaks the truth and counters the State approved ideology. That’s how all wannabe totalitarians work. They want either acceptance or silent submission which humiliates. The truth is this young girl is a girl and will always be female. But the State wants not only teachers but all of us to accept their ideology. I say no.
    
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    June 20, 2023 7:11pm
Opie

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/ginny-andersen-police-minister-applauds-police-management-of-volatile-opotiki-gang-tangi/

HDPA electrocuting another hapless police minister.

I think she missed the opportunity to ask her why maoris shouldn’t have to go to jail though.
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June 20, 2023 8:07am
- CRM114
  
  That was one of the most ‘kiwi accent’ interviews I’ve ever heard since the days of Fred Dagg…aye.
  
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  June 20, 2023 9:36am
  - Opie
    
    Yea, she is awful to listen to. Both her tone and her message.
    
    I did hear a wonderful rumor about her yesterday too…
    
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    June 20, 2023 10:59am
    - Yabster
      
      spill it Opie…
      
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      June 20, 2023 12:32pm
- Clyde
  
  Anderson is a duplicitous b——. Typical Liemore evasive puppet.
  
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  June 20, 2023 9:48am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    It’s actually Andersen, and yes, she is a descendant of Bill Andersen, the socialist union leader.
    
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    June 20, 2023 2:31pm
- Random T Person
  
  I burst out laughing when Ginny said the crims are sophisticated, and HDPA asked ‘So sitting on the roof of a car is sophisticated?’
  
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  June 20, 2023 9:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Are all 1800 Police Officers on the beat?
  Anderson! Answer the bloody question!
  
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  June 20, 2023 10:41am
slightlyrighty

I see the All Whites have refused to take the field in the 2nd Half against Qatar after one player was targeted with an ethnic slur.

Chris Hipkins when interviewed on the subject, said that there was no place for racism in NZ.

unless we’re talking about healthcare wait lists, apparently…
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June 20, 2023 8:08am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  The twatting sooks. The wetness is so bad they are making a puddle. Harden the hell up, finish the game, and have it dealt with then. This crap is a true pandemic. All of those involved should never play for NZ again and never be allowed to have anything to do with NZ Football again.
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:39am
  - lifesgood
    
    My thoughts exactly. Bloody sooks. What ever happened to “sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me” Who are the useless parents that brought up this generation of snow flakes. And why?
    
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    June 20, 2023 10:15am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Exactly my thoughts. The wokeness cancer is eating humanity alive. Taking the knee, pride flags, whining, bitching and moaning about everything.
    It’s nuts.
    
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    June 20, 2023 11:50am
  - Opie
    
    As the saying goes, it takes two to tango.
    
    Apparently after the Qatar player went down in a soft challenge, the nz player advised him that he may not be as manly as he could be.
    
    The Qatar player who is also of the darker skin has then fired back and the all whites have sooked off.
    
    Is it racist if a black guy calls a brown guy names?
    
    Let’s find out what the nz guy said to provoke him before we all jump on the woke bandwagon
    
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    June 20, 2023 12:52pm
- Yabster
  
  big over reaction – basically one of the Qatar guys (black as the ace of spades) called one of our guys (part Samoan) a few names – maybe he shld have just said fwit instead of black fwit…- but if thats going to stop a football game then there won’t be a lot of games played…
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:42am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    But it’s a great way to stop a game that you were losing.
    Both Kuwait and Qatar, while losing, loose a racial slur against their opponent and get the game called off. Seems potentially deliberate?
    
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    June 20, 2023 9:22am
    - Yabster
      
      don’t think so unless they already new how woke our football team is…
      
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      June 20, 2023 9:48am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      LAR – no, the All Whites were leading at half time. The refused to come out for the second half.
      The game wasn’t called off.
      
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      June 20, 2023 11:51am
  - rouppe
    
    I wonder what the racial slur was, that offended the nz player but wasn’t insulting to all the darkies in the Kuwait team?
    
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    June 20, 2023 10:36am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Well I thought special people were allowed to use the ‘N’ word? Just nobody else.
      
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      June 20, 2023 11:52am
- CRM114
  
  Wait, non-white people can also be racist? I was told this was impossible…
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:46am
- BarryB
  
  As my sister (who lives in Ausy) says and it applies to the soccer team – “go down to Bunnings, buy some wood, build a bridge and get over it”.
  What a bunch of air-heads.
  
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  June 20, 2023 9:13am
Cassandra

National has the idea that it can hand the youth offending problem to the Army. Firstly, not an army’s job and secondly, most certainly not the NZ Army which does not have the capacity to handle its primary function of defending the realm, let alone taking on social reformation of young crims. National needs to rethink this before it becomes the same “over-promise, under-deliver” as useless Labour.
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June 20, 2023 8:10am
- kowtow
  
  Starts at home in a stable,functioning family .
  
  As there are fewer and fewer of those the problem will only keep growing .
  
  That’s what needs addressing , and politicians can’t fix families .
  
  But they can help by creating the conditions in which families can thrive.
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:42am
- Simon
  
  Lol – National. Little crims cant go to prison? Bar code them. They are monitored 24/7 until sentence ended.
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:43am
- artemisia
  
  Retired drill sergeants?
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:46am
- RoboRob
  
  If the Army gets that roll they will need to upskill and restructure to do it. The govt will obviously provide more funding.
  
  This is a win win for the Army, more funding plus a ready recruitment source. If the army do it right a number of these kids will opt to stay in the army, for the same reasons they would otherwise join gangs… community / family / purpose.
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:58am
  - rouppe
    
    Depends on the programme.
    
    If it’s turn up, suffer through it and get to the end no matter how much of a prick you are in the meantime, then ‘sentence complete’ it’s a water of time.
    
    If success depends on the army “passing” you, which requires commitment, attitude and engagement in the process, then maybe
    
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    June 20, 2023 10:40am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      AGree that it would be best if there is something gained from the time with the Army: but on the other hand – 6-12 months with the army is a way to remove ramraiders and young crims from society.
      Other options are either Catch & Release or Jail along with the adult crims (which has the it ‘makes them worse’ theory).
      
      Of these options, Catch and Release is by far the worst, Jail is much much better IMO, and perhaps a 3rd way is this With The Army idea.
      Give it a go. Worse that happens = youth offenders away from their broken homes and away from the storefronts.
      
      4th idea – offshore islands.
      
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      June 20, 2023 12:55pm
  - Cassandra
    
    These are criminals; none of them will be suitable for the Army long term. There’ll only be 60 maximum so no recruiting advantage. It is not an Army’s job to run a prison. And where? Put a prison in Linton? It’s a daft idea; Corrections should run it – they can employ your retired drill sergeants.
    
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    June 20, 2023 1:56pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Most of their policies are straight forward and easy yo put in place, the hard big might be changing some of this corrupt regimes things that have been put into law
  
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  June 20, 2023 9:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Send them on ones of those volunteer 6 week courses. Make it compulsory for the little shits.
  My Grandson went on the course 2 years ago and thoroughly enjoyed it.
  Discipline, self starters, working as a team. No cellphones or any electronics.
  Yes, my Grandson came home ‘proud as.’
  
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  June 20, 2023 10:50am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Add.
    He is now 23. All of that helped him to view things differently. He started bodybuilding, taking some powdered liquid drink. He joined a gym, even though I have a home gym in the garage. There is much more in his gym.
    Then – a job opening. He now works at the gym as well as works out.
    He comes from a dysfunctional family, both parents are druggy dropkicks, yep my Son has never had a job longer that 3 weeks. Grandson lives in my house. He is doing bloody well. All it needs is an introduction to discipline and motivation.
    
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    June 20, 2023 11:54am
Warren

Ginny Anderson our Police Minister is fast becoming a liability to the Labour Government and its Prime Minister Chris Hipkins with what becoming the normal in Auckland most nights if I it not Ram Raids or Robberies it is serious assaults and our Police Minister say she and the Government are on top of the situation.
Last night there was a attack on three people in Albany, Auckland after a person entered several businesses and struck customers with a weapon believed to be a axe.
In another attack a person was robbed and left unconscious outside a Auckland Bar after a pokie machine win.
In another blatant attack Police search for a thief following a Liquor store robbery with Police still looking g to identify the culprit who stole Liquor and money.
This is a daily occurrence in New Zealand nowadays with a Government more set in its ways of keeping Maori out of our Prisons than helping victims of crime .
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June 20, 2023 8:10am
- Warren
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/06/man-arrested-after-three-injured-during-attack-at-albany-restaurants.html
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:28am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The photo of the weapon (if that was used) seems to be a grubber/mattock/wood splitter. If that was used the victims will be having a hard recovery.
    Court today. Remanded in custody or a bracelet to do what he wants?
    
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    June 20, 2023 11:00am
- Simon
  
  Prisons are a moral & fiscal failure – Bill English
  
  Prisons are a moral & fiscal failure – Ardern.
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:39am
  - sirknz
    
    Prisons are a moral & fiscal failure – Bill English
    – Simon
    
    Is there a day that goes by where you don’t put this quote in a thread?
    
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    June 20, 2023 10:56am
  - Local Miller
    
    Just because they said it, doesn’t make it true. And are we even understanding it as intended?
    
    Maybe what’s was intended by bill was not that prisons should be abolished, but that they should be improved.
    
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    June 20, 2023 3:23pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Can someone tell Ginny Anderson I do not feel safer in NZ even going to a restaurant in Albany.
  
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  June 20, 2023 10:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She needs a night tour in a cop car, going to the dangerous parts of Auckland.
    Useless.
    
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    June 20, 2023 11:02am
- General
  
  I’m now 30% more wary of Maori. Great result team kindness. She is functionally brain dead. Deliberate division with her recent asinine ramblings dressed up as ‘righting wrongs of the past’ Let them eat cake has been flipped to Let them commit a few rapes. Progress!
  
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  June 20, 2023 12:10pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Here’s the story going across the Chinese Wechat, as to why these businesses were attacked (or rather, the customers).
  All are owned by the same guy, according to the Chinese jungle drums.
  And this business owner is one of the people who is SHAFTING the recent Visa holders, who pay big money to come here to NO JOB.
  The Indian businesses are exploiting their fellow citizens, and the Chinese are exploiting the Chinese.
  
  I know of some other stunning (property) scams going on from inside stories, and everyone involved is at fault but some are worse predators and criminals than others.
  But in this case or preying on your countrymen, sounds credible, and this is why it was both about a grudge/revenge, as stated, not racial, and yet 3 different businesses all attacked (or rather, the innocent customers).
  Somebody snapped.
  
  The reversal from nobody comes into NZ, to a rush of tens of thousands without checks and balances, means immigrations NZ is making a balls-up in the other direction.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/491946/migrant-workers-pay-thousands-for-visas-only-to-be-left-without-jobs
  The exploiters should face the hammer of justice, not some poor sods sucking back noodles 🙁
  
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  June 20, 2023 1:49pm
burt

Remember people, NZ is a pacific island. Anyone born is NZ is a Pacific Islander.

Follow me for more healthcare priority tips.
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June 20, 2023 8:13am
- Inandout
  
  burt, I learnt if you require an expensive drug for a disease then if you are white, go jump. However be a Maori and it is free.
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:17am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Good point burt, NZ is part of Polynesia.
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:41am
- 7kiwi11
  
  Why is it PI’s are often limped in with Maori for special treatment, such as entrance to Uni courses and health services, when they are immigrants like the rest of us.
  
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  June 20, 2023 9:20am
  - General
    
    White guilt mentality driven into enough idiots minds. They sub-consciously look down on others but virtue point scoring is more addictive to them than Candy Crush
    
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    June 20, 2023 11:54am
Simon

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
The racist anti-NZ surgery policy came out in February but Reti / National claim they didn’t know about until now?

The fundamental change to universal access to the public health, used to justify max tax us plebs, was dismantled in February but National learn about it in June from MSM??

Yep, there is plenty National are missing, or choosing to ignore. GP licensing system is a shambles, for eg. Lots of complaints to Reti, but National all quiet.
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June 20, 2023 8:14am
- slightlyrighty
  
  To be fair, Simon, the current government is cocking up on so many fronts, National is having to manage it’s opposition attacks to suit.
  
  FWIW, CCDHB was doing the Maori and PI priority since 2020. However, politically speaking, it was best to wait until this policy was widely reported in public, as to oppose this before risked being labelled with the ‘R’ word. I think the timing was well done.
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:50am
- peterwn
  
  So you would like a Labour/Winston/Green/Maori coalition after October?
  
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  June 20, 2023 9:03am
  - rangitoto
    
    That would be a stock up on popcorn event but really too serious to contemplate unless you are observing from afar.
    
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    June 20, 2023 10:42am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Listen here you anti Nat hater, even Seymour said yesterday that they knew, but could not go public until yesterday, he stated they had heard about, but needed to get the facts absolute correct before talking about it, I suggest to you that they weee on this together, because both parties used yesterday to bring this into public light, instead of towing the organised Act line of attack Nats, perhaps you should to find homework, go listen to what Seymour said to Hosking yesterday why they have left this announcement to yesterday
  
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  June 20, 2023 9:49am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    You were actually making sense, and sticking to facts, and then beginning Saying that Simon is …”towing the organised Act line of attack Nats..”
    Yet the ACT party said they didn’t have proof of this as fact until recently either, and ACT even states as much?
    
    Saying that all criticism of National is coming from an ACT conspiracy is just as mentally obsessive as Simon’s post where every Labour fault is attributable to National.
    
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    June 20, 2023 1:58pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He is staying Nats are useless for not screaming this, I am pointing to the fact that Seymour stated until today once they knew the facts he could not have said anything, my point is both parties weed forking from the same evidence, how could Nats bust this if they were not over the evidence, I used ACT as why Nats could not have blown this open, his arrogance smearing Nats yet ignoring the very same thing from ACT,
      
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      June 20, 2023 9:07pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      And another thing, there is an organised plan to make Nats look bad to try and convert them to Act, don’t say there is no plan, because I know for a fact there is
      
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      June 20, 2023 9:10pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  This only came out because an unnamed Auckland surgeon leaked a document to Barry Soper late last week. Dr Shane Reti was quick to condemn the policy yesterday:
  
  Race has no place in surgical priorities and the Government should immediately drop ethnicity as one of the criteria surgeons have been told to use to rank patients.
  
  While there has been historical inequity that has disadvantaged Māori and Pasifika people, the idea that any government would deliberately rank ethnicities for priority for surgery is offensive, wrong and should halt immediately.
  
  The way to improve Māori and Pasifika health is through better housing, education and addressing the cost of living, not by disadvantaging others.
  
  As a doctor, I would refuse to rank patients based on their ethnicity and I completely side with surgeons who are alarmed and affronted by this priority tool implemented by Health New Zealand.
  
  A National government would not rank patients by ethnicity.
  
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  June 20, 2023 9:50am
  - Ghost
    
    Listening to Shane yesterday, he found out in April and he’s been questioning the minister since then on this and trying to get answers. She has been avoiding answer
    
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    June 20, 2023 10:22am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes and Simons Boss Seymour was very clear yesterday to say they have known for a while but they had to get the absolute facts before saying anything, for him to rubbish Nats shows just how the foot soldiers of ACT have become so nasty, especially when it seems nothing parties are attacking equally and from the same time
    
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    June 20, 2023 10:34am
    - mawm
      
      I suggest you look in the mirror.
      
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      June 20, 2023 1:04pm
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      …Simon{‘}s boss{,} Seymour…?
      The mods won’t allow me to speak frankly, but I can at least say your conclusions are spurious.
      Your insight into sinister political mechanisations behind the scenes ranks 2nd place to your ability to make a spelling and grammar check before posting.
      
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      June 20, 2023 2:03pm
  - Lenticular
    
    Bet you he won’t fire the policymakers who implemented it, though. So why bother with him?
    
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    June 20, 2023 11:29am
- Lance
  
  Your arguments just seem to be based on how much bile you can spit at National as opposed to reality.
  Did someone from National piss in your cornflakes or something because this relentless, incoherent open hatred is way past a joke and becoming disturbing.
  Or are you just a parody account trying to out down-tick Mike?
  
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  June 20, 2023 10:05am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    No, there is an organised smear group working for act, it’s vulgar and it is actually stating to put some act voters off, I have been told about this tactic for some time from someone who is in both Nats snd act this is happening, it’s the same bullshit of two wings of the same bird bullshit we are hearing.
    
    I suggest red is also on his organised bullshit campaign as well
    
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    June 20, 2023 10:38am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      If it was an organised smear group from ACT (which I do not believe for a second) I would expect it to be:
      A – more clever,
      B – less silly,
      C – effective.
      It is poorly thought out and not having the intended effect.
      Ha! More like a National party announcement than an ACT announcement.
      Could it actually be PSyOps from inside the National Party…….and Simon is actually Chris Bishop? 😉
      
      [Mod – don’t make it personal]
      
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      December 20, 2022 2:12pm
    - Dougal10
      
      With all that conspiracy shit going on in your head how can you properly contribute to a debate. Oh thats right you dont everybody else is alway wrong , a bit like the idiot above who typed in ‘sigh’.
      
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      June 20, 2023 11:07am
    - mawm
      
      G – maybe the posters that run down National are those who traditionally voted Nat but now see a party that has deviated so far from its principles that they no longer feel they represent them. This continual tirade against these posters does not help and in fact contributes to their unease with the new National. We are in a situation where the government is transparently duplicitous, are incompetent, are promoting racial discrimination and seemingly destroying our economy with their every endeavour. One would have to be either dumb or blind not to see this and yet, as shown in the polls, National is so ineffectual that we have to be threatened to vote for them or Labour will retain the reins of power and continue to destroy NZ.
      
      So where does the problem lie? With National and their leader or the disillusioned Tory voter? Think about it.
      
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      June 20, 2023 1:15pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I don’t care a shit who or what they are, but I know for a fact there is an organised smear attack from members of ACT, a couple are working exactly as I was told about, it’s not hard to guess who
        
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        June 20, 2023 9:13pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Could actually be Mike.
    Mike is not here – made only one comment today. I am sure Mike uses VPNs.
    
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    June 20, 2023 11:09am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  National is not quiet on this.
  And ACT said they didn’t have this confirmed until just now too {this is from the Act newsletter ‘Free Post’}:
  …”Over the last year Free Press has heard from doctors concerned that the Healthcare system is using race to override decisions that should be based on clinical need. While alarming, they could not be proven, or nobody who knew would go on the record and testify. That changed this morning when Newstalk ZB published that patients on waiting lists for surgery are given an ‘equity adjuster score’ that can put them up or down the queue. ACT supplied some of this information to ZB.”….
  
  You seem to have a certain obsession, where even Labour policy means National is at fault.
  
  Show us on this anatomically correct doll where the National Party touched you.
  
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  June 20, 2023 1:54pm
G152

Sack the sackers and expell the shit stirrer.
Now teachers really have a legitimate cause to strike for .
And the media something to actually report upon.
I however expect little from liebor unless the Nats go onto the media
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June 20, 2023 8:15am
cas

I saw a photo last night in an old Guardian Weekly where police in Berlin were removing the footpath next to protestor glued hand. Our police should try that. I can’t think of anything better than a climate activist with a hand stuck to a chunk of footpath or motorway. They could fill the pothole in quickly enough.
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June 20, 2023 8:16am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Nope cas, just yank the hand till it comes off the footpath. A whole lot easier. Then they have to go and sit at A&E and wait behind Maori and Islanders for treatment.
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:43am
KH

Two stories
A. Jenin:Israeli gunmen backed by a military helicopter killed three Palestinians, including a teenager, and wounded at least 29 others during a fierce clash in the occupied West Bank yesterday, local commandos and medical officials said.
B. Jenin:Israeli commandos backed by a military helicopter killed three Palestinians, including a teenager, and wounded at least 29 others during a fierce clash in the occupied West Bank yesterday, local gunmen and medical officials said.
Question. Which one is the Reuters version ? Genuinely interested why you think so.
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June 20, 2023 8:17am
- RoboRob
  
  A. Becuase they refer to the Palestinians as ‘Commandos’ rather then ‘Gunmen’. Implying legitimancy.
  
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  June 20, 2023 9:01am
- Rusty
  
  @KH,
  My answer is it depends who you support. The Israelis are always the good guys and the Palestinians are always the bad guys.
  
  p/s I’m expecting 20 downticks for my answer.
  
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  June 20, 2023 9:02am
- All_on_Red
  
  In Gaza, is 60kmph still the recommended speed for dragging Homosexuals behind Motorcycles before throwing them off a roof?
  
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  June 20, 2023 10:12am
- kowtow
  
  Lost me at “occupied” .
  
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  June 20, 2023 11:20am
- alan
  
  Sign up to Amir Tsarfati telegram page. He is a Israeli Christian who post all info on what’s going on in Israel and the Middle East.
  
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  June 20, 2023 1:23pm
sirknz

MY word, is it an election year or something?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/300909434/inquiry-into-banking-sector-to-be-announced

I’m sure that any terms of reference won’t be slanted or skewed in any way so that the outcome is a foregone conclusion…
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June 20, 2023 8:18am
- Paulus
  
  Banks have done well since Ardern/Robertson printed something like $80 billion dollars, much of which is still circulating – hence inflation.
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:41am
- RoboRob
  
  One might have to ask. As the government owns one the the major banks, if the other banks are ripping us off AND Kiwibank isn’t significantly different, does that mean the government is ripping us off too?
  
  Of course the answer is, no, nobody is being ripped off but a good inquiry into an area people hate (bankers, oil companies, supermarkets) is good vote catching policy. Who cares about the waste of money or resources.
  
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  June 20, 2023 9:04am
- Biscuit
  
  Very cynical, sirknz, heh
  
  You malign the hard-working, concerned-for-the-people Labour Government.
  
  Remember the inquiry into supermarket prices and how the owners of those supermarkets shaefacedly agreed with the findings and immediately slashed shelf prices by 33.33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 (stop it, Biscuit) % across the board?
  
  And that, of course, followed the inquiry into petrol prices whereby Big Oil agreed that ‘yes, we ARE gougers, aren’t we? Tell you what, Government, we’ll reduce our take-outs pro rata in line with similar reductions in YOUR take-outs.’
  
  Strange that nothing ever happened thereafter in THAT scenario!
  
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  June 20, 2023 9:05am
artemisia

Minister Verrall will for sure be releasing the review of the Maori Health Authority any day now.

She has only had the report for 6 weeks so seems either too busy, a slow reader or her comms people are still spinning.

http://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018894923/govt-digesting-unreleased-report-on-maori-health-authority
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June 20, 2023 8:18am
- Simon
  
  Dont worry next year National will drop $170 million into an Iwi mafia run health system.
  
  Within 3 yrs National will be pouring $500 million into Iwi health.
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:36am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    No they will not, they said if a public company could give better out comes to Māori then they would find that project, not a bloody Lotta Mahuta deal, but the main thing is, Māori he was lath authority will be gone
    
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    June 20, 2023 11:40am
- pdm
  
  Arti.
  
  Or 3 – she does not understand it.
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:42am
- rouppe
  
  The other day I was asking someone over a pint how we might know how much was put into the MHA, and what achievements have been made.
  
  Influenza vaccinations, worst stats for Māori.
  Covid vaccinations, worst stats for Māori.
  Obesity, Māori still worst
  Diabetes, Māori still worst.
  
  Ergo, the MHA isn’t working because you don’t need flash office space and a fleet of new cars to achieve progress on those.
  
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  June 20, 2023 10:52am
  - Paulus
    
    Census worse stats for Maori – how many Maori are there please ?
    Seems like over 50 % if media are to be believed.
    Last 2018 Maori census was grossly fraudulent, and the figures made up to give as many Maori seats as required.
    
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    June 20, 2023 1:21pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  OIA should have been done 6 weeks ago. Why do Labour do this? Delay something that is going to hit the fan anyway.
  
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  June 20, 2023 11:15am
cas

Anyone else notice on 1 spews last night the article about climate change in Antarctica. they showed footage from under the ice which had a date stamp of some month in 2022 on it and they interviewed people on the ice.

As I said to my partner, but it’s dark in Antarctica at the moment. I suppose they hoped people didn’t realise that.
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June 20, 2023 8:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Play school TV1 desperate for leftie bullshit.
  
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  June 20, 2023 11:18am
- Burtland
  
  bit like the Webb Telescope photos
  – the telescope is actually infrared
  
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  June 20, 2023 4:00pm
Yabster

Hobsons Pledge- has a petition against the race based Health system. Have signed it.
https://www.hobsonspledge.nz/equal-health-nz?utm_campaign=190623_equalhealth_3&utm_medium=email&utm_source=hobsonspledge

Old both worth reading agin re Maori Health outcomes:
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/dr-lawrie-knight-fact-checking-m%C4%81ori-health-claims-that-led-to-the-pae-ora-healthy-futures-bill
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June 20, 2023 8:20am
- pdm
  
  Bugger hit report by mistake, sorry.
  
  Hobson Choice petition already signed.
  
  Dr.Lawrie Knight – excellent.
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:52am
Maggie Pie

Dramatic scenes unfold outside ‘Pukekohe Pak N’ Save’ yesterday, as pair of criminal-masterminds make daring escape…..

https://twitter.com/PureBloodKiwi/status/1670769460830146560

(full screen / sound up)
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June 20, 2023 8:24am
- Frank the tank
  
  Apparently we are still a first world country………….
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:32am
  - pdm
    
    Ask Ginny – 1,800 more Police on the beat.
    
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    June 20, 2023 9:43am
    - Paulus
      
      Ginny – over the last two years how many Police have left ?
      
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      June 20, 2023 1:22pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, someone commented ‘Whack n Save’.
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:35am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  It’ll be the guy that rammed the shopping cart that will get charged with damaging the poly-trolley.
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:48am
- wreck1080
  
  I sometimes check the rego of vehicles. I looked up a few from the digraceful mongrel mob takeover of Opotiki, and surprisingly the mob don’t believe so much in registration or WOF’s.
  
  This woman’s car … comes up with …
  Error
  Registration cancelled. Please check the plate DQW555 is entered correctly. If the plate number is correct, the registration of the vehicle has been cancelled
  
  Such is the state of NZ policing that people can drive cars like this freely and without worry.
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:57am
  - kowtow
    
    Unregistered criminal vehicle parade given a police escort .
    
    What an insult to taxpaing NZ .
    
    The Cops if they really wanted to have “zero tolerance” for organised criminality should have seized every unregistered , un warranted vehicle there , before their parade.
    
    But instead we get a daily nation wide crush the workers and taxpayers for going 1 kph over etc
    
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    June 20, 2023 11:25am
- Scooter
  
  Disgusting, never understand walking round bare foot, germs etc. No wonder their health stats are below par.
  
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  June 20, 2023 9:21am
  - Local Miller
    
    You have me confused. Walking around barefoot is good for you, it helps improve your immune system. My son goes barefoot everywhere except in those few places where it’s illegal or dangerous, like building sights. He’s almost never sick.
    
    And our kids spent a lot of time growing up either on our friends farm or my parents lifestyle block, always bare foot.
    
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    June 20, 2023 4:18pm
    - Scooter
      
      Is it good to walk barefoot where dogs have pissed and people spit and that’s probably the best of what’s on the ground.
      
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      June 20, 2023 6:14pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  That’s a hockey foul.
  
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  June 20, 2023 9:27am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Luv your twitter work.
  
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  June 20, 2023 10:14am
- Ruawai
  
  I play hockey in Pukekohe and don’t recognise her from the local turf.
  
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  June 20, 2023 10:28am
- sirknz
  
  Usain Bolt with the hockey stick…
  
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  June 20, 2023 1:41pm
greybeard

The $250m “mistake” in the WCC’s speed reduction plan is very serious. Not only was it not picked up by council staff or the so-called “peer review panel” but it indicates a far deeper problem.
How could anyone now trust the figures for anything this council proposes ? Should previous project costings be re-examined to search for hidden flaws, or deliberately-concealed figures ?
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June 20, 2023 8:27am
- Ruawai
  
  Think this will start a new term in governance “Pass the Tony Randle ruler over it”.
  
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  June 20, 2023 10:29am
wreck1080

All Whites gotta grow up and put on their big boys pants.

Ha, I was racially abused once when overseas, don’t care. There are clowns everywhere and whining like a little brat every time someone offends you isn’t a particularly strong character trait.

All Whites should be stood down for poor character!
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June 20, 2023 8:29am
- mandk
  
  I don’t agree.
  
  If a white NZ player was guilty of racially abusing a black opposition player, the All Whites would face a severe sanction.
  
  Can you give me any valid reason why it should not be the same when a black player racially abuses a white player?
  
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  June 20, 2023 10:39am
  - Cinematic
    
    Finish the game. To not do so is pathetic and wimpy.
    
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    June 20, 2023 9:33pm
- Bullion
  
  Reading comments here, it seems like racism is ok and any effort to draw a line in the sand saying racism is not ok is wrong.
  
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  June 20, 2023 12:52pm
  - mandk
    
    What I’m wondering is whether the people who down-ticked you and me think it is ok for a white player to racially abuse a black player.
    
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    June 20, 2023 1:40pm
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      It was suggested above that it was a Samoan player in the all-whites who was insulted/abused.
      Just because the team is called All-Whites does not mean they are all whites.
      
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      June 20, 2023 2:36pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        The guy who racially abused is negro, Boxal appeared to be white when I seen him on tv, he may have some Samoan, but media are suggesting a black man called a white man the N word, something doesn’t seem right here
        
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        June 20, 2023 9:17pm
peterwn

See:
https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/judgments (at he top, but the item will probably be taken down late morning).
A big drumroll from the Supreme Court saying they are going to hand down the Mead v Paul judgment at 11.30am.
I wondered what all the fuss is about. Matrimonial Property Act deals with division of property when a relationship breaks down. But what happens when three people (a married couple plus another woman sharing the same bed) have been living together for more than three years and then all three go their separate ways. Issue is – can there be a three way division of property?
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June 20, 2023 8:44am
- peterwn
  
  Supreme Court (3 to 2) effectively ruled that Matrimonial property can be split three ways in a triangular relationship as the relationship can be regarded as A & B, A & C, B & C relationships.
  
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  June 20, 2023 11:56am
  - marcw
    
    And I could have given that solution, but it would only have cost a couple of beers, and delivered on the back of an envelope the next day. Not deliberated over months by 5 over pompous over paid so called ‘experts’.
    
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    June 20, 2023 12:17pm
    - peterwn
      
      Actually it was 9 judges in all sitting in 3 courts. 6 judges in favour (3 Appeal Court, 3 Supreme Court) and three against (1 High Court, 2 Supreme Court). There was a 10th judge – the Family Court judge who (I think) was not sure and kicked the thing upstairs).
      
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      June 20, 2023 12:26pm
RoboRob

US Elections theory

Was thinking about the contenders this morning and came up with a prediction that I haven’t heard from anywhere else.

The first female president will be Kamala Harris and Gavin Newsom will be the Dem candidate for the next election.

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FBI and treasury have been slow walking investigations into the Biden family. Once Trump is nominated as the republican candidate OR when the authorities can no longer keep things quiet, Treasury will start to leak out details of Biden corruption. If this is not enough to convince Biden to step down, the FBI will finally release their investigation. At this point Biden will resign and Kamala will take the reign. It will be as shorter raign as possible. Just prior to the election Harris will pardon Biden. This is a poison pill for Harris but she gets to be the first female president and probably a nice role in a future Dem government.

Newsom has been campaigning but not announced. He is doing this while he waits for Biden to be removed.

This will deal with the Biden problem (mental issues and probably corruption issues) AND get rid of the hugely unpopular Harris. The Dem assumption is that Newsom can easily beat Trump. If the candidate is not Trump, Newson is ready as he is already campaigning against Desantis.

This is my bold prediction !
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June 20, 2023 8:52am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The FBI and DOJ are just as crooked as the Biden Family. They have been on the take since forever.
  Anyway, nothing will beat Trump this time, not even voting machines.
  TRUMP 2024.
  
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  June 20, 2023 11:32am
  - RoboRob
    
    Not arguing they are not. I believe they are slow walking the investigations (as reported by whistle blowers). If there is something, and there would seem to be, its going to come out. The question is when.
    
    Personally I think Biden can beat Trump at this point (even though recent polls say otherwise) and I am sure Newsom could. Trump might be #1 with Republicans but he is poison to what little swing vote exists. Regardless of if one likes Trump or not, you have to look at electability and its the swing voters that count.
    
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    June 20, 2023 11:57am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Rob, Biden can only beat Trump if there is another cheating fiasco. Boxes and boxes of 2020 ballots are still turning up. They were used and then removed after the crooked counts were done. The whole World knows Trump won. Democrats cheated, and they will do it again if they can. Even if caught but the result stands, they don’t care.
      Democrats are a special breed of people. They are greedy to the tune of trillions of dollars. The hierarchy are World controllers in their minds. They don’t care about WW3 and nukes, as long as they are rich beyond what we can imagine.
      They want to destroy the GOP, the Republicans, even the RINOs. Trump is in the way and dedicating his latter years to this. This is not new, it has been going on for decades. Does anyone remember JFK? I was in Intermediate School then, 1963, and could not believe it. The Democrats are ultimately responsible, JFK going in a direction they did not want.
      I will leave you with a pre 2016 ad. You may have seen it.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S63MW41dP58&ab_channel=DanielSmith
      
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      June 20, 2023 3:43pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Sorry for the long rant. 🙂
      
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      June 20, 2023 3:43pm
- Littletramp
  
  Don’t be surprised if they drop in Michelle Obama.
  
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  June 20, 2023 11:33am
  - Ghost
    
    Robert Kennedy is doing well in the polls
    
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    June 20, 2023 11:45am
    - RoboRob
      
      Which shows just how bad Biden is !
      
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      June 20, 2023 11:57am
- miltonF
  
  I think it’s bizarre that people still hate on Trump. This recent arrest will be what, the fourth time that the corrupt political establishment, FBI and media has tried and failed to remove him?
  
  Once could be a genuine mistake. Four times is no mistake. Meanwhile, Biden has turned out to be everything that Trump was alleged to be. A dithering demented corrupt warmonger. Projection much? For example, Hillary illegally kept classified documents on her private server. Then when caught, formatted all data and even physically destroyed devices. Destruction of evidence. She was never president so did not have the authority to declassify these files. In comparison, Trump looks like a choir boy.
  
  If you can’t see what is going on, and still defend the corrupt political establishment, then I have to assume you are struggling with being wrong and need to check your ego.
  
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  June 20, 2023 5:46pm
Gravelroad

Looks like the people prosecuted and found guilty of unlawful behaviour at the Parliament protest earlier this year (as reported on TV1news last night) were a couple of green hippies from Golden Bay.
So not unruly, red neck farmers then?
Way to go for the secret vigilante group though, who all got connected to hunt down this couple using the internet and social media. They would not allow their names or faces to be used in the report as the brave warriors who outed the criminals.
Am guessing there will be more of this coming up to the election. “Unsuitable candidates” must be shut down.
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June 20, 2023 8:58am
- rjay
  
  Regardless of ones view of the protests purpose starting the fires was incredibly stupid and they deserve to be punished even though it is home D.
  Let’s hope other stupid actions at protests are also punished.
  
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  June 20, 2023 10:35am
  - kowtow
    
    Yes , let’s hope this group of heroes put the same effort into tracking down antifa and misogynist violent types shutting down and attacking women at Women’s protests .
    
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    June 20, 2023 11:29am
    - Gravelroad
      
      I don’t know why they embarked on this personal witch hunt quest at all.
      If a crime had been committed, wasn’t it the job of the Police to track down the alleged offenders, arrest them and so on? They have the technical resources and legal power to do it.
      I find it disquieting that a bunch of anonymous and faceless amateurs got together and took it upon themselves to identify and hunt out these people on the assumption that they were guilty.
      They kept their own identities hidden.
      That is vigilantism in my book.
      
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      June 20, 2023 12:08pm
      - kowtow
        
        Yep.
        
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        June 20, 2023 2:02pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Hmm. It would be vigilante-ism if, having identified the offenders, they then took the law into their own hands. Instead, as I understand it, they handed the evidence to the Police for prosecution.
        
        It’s sort-of equivalent of a citizen’s arrest.
        
        The bigger question is why the Police didn’t do the mahi themselves.
        
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        June 20, 2023 8:01pm
Maggie Pie

Not only at Whangarei-Girls-High it seems.
The same sh*t is happening in the UK as well !

A deranged school teacher threatens to expel two 13 year-old girls who he acussed of being ‘Transphobic’….. for refusing to accept one of their classmates could indentfy as a CAT!

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1670692938144202753

(Sound Up 😀 )
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June 20, 2023 9:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Is this the same school that put litter trays in the toilet.
  
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  June 20, 2023 11:37am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    No, but she was allowed to lick her bum in class 😛
    
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    June 20, 2023 12:03pm
Ghost

Last night I saw the tv advert for people to get the flu vaccine, who the hell comes up with these ads. Seriously their idea they likely spent a shit load of money coming up with is “we on”. What morons say we on?
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June 20, 2023 9:19am
- Gaetano
  
  There are ads running now urging people not to drink and drive. Waste of time. The people who are driving drunk are not going to stop because they hear a radio ad.
  
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  June 20, 2023 10:14am
  - mandk
    
    It’s the same with any criminal activity. People will only stop if they think there is a good risk they will get caught and then face a severe punishment.
    
    Recidivist drink drivers repeat their behaviour because they know there is only a slim chance of them being caught. And they also know that, if they are caught, the punishment will be small.
    
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    June 20, 2023 10:34am
- miltonF
  
  What morons say “we on”?
  
  The exact morons they are targeting with this jab. I won’t call it a vaccine because it won’t stop you from getting the flu.
  
  I can’t help but notice the ad is targeting specific racial groups. All of the actors are Māori or PI.
  
  Remember when Bill Gates said we could reduce the population if we did a really good job with vaccines?
  
  Well read between the lines.
  
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  June 20, 2023 5:54pm
Southtop2

Drove across the Motueka bridge yesterday and noticed a massive build up of rubbish (trees etc) against the bridge and also the river has changed as there is a large build up of gravels above and below the bridge. The removal of both is something councils appear to either be slow at or, in the case of gravels, against.
Question: How much of the flooding in recent times in NZ is because of green leaning councilors and staff not wanting to take gravel down to average water levels?
I understand that too much take would impact water tables/irrigation in summer and I don’t want my fishing impacted but surely some pragmatism needs to be applied?
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June 20, 2023 9:59am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Best thing that could happen would be for it to be washed away and an actual bridge built so that traffic could cross it without riding the handrails.
  
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  June 20, 2023 10:28am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Haha, Blog-
    The opposite has happened in area I know of.
    The gravel in the river built up and up under the bridge.
    Not much done despite repeated begging by the locals to the council about shifting some of the build up out.
    Then one rain fall too many and the bridge was completely swept away.
    Now council, aka ratepayers, has to provide new bridge.
    But – climate change!
    
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    June 20, 2023 11:57am
- Bob
  
  How much of the flooding in recent times ……
  There are no votes in clearing debris and accumulated gravel from a river channel, in order to keep it flowing. Many more votes in ‘posturing’ after the tragedy.
  The introduction of Regional Councils, mainly composed of academics and urbanite councillors resulted in the failure to maintain the rivers, stopbanks and environs, result flooding!
  
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  June 20, 2023 12:02pm
  - Southtop2
    
    We were hearing stories of gravel being trucked from Marlborough to build house foundations in Richmond & Nelson because green elements did not want gravel removed from Tasman rivers. I am interested if this was also the case on the East Coast and Hawkes Bay? If so . . . liability?
    
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    June 20, 2023 12:25pm
greybeard

Australia to win the first test ?
I think England made a bad mistake declaring as they did.
Smacked of McCullum arrogance.
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June 20, 2023 10:13am
- Gaetano
  
  I disagree. England declared at 393/8 late on Day 1. That is an impressive score on day 1. Australia need a further 173 on the final day and are 3 wickets down, including Steve Smith.
  
  Sure Australia might win. I’d rate them a 40 percent chance.
  
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  June 20, 2023 10:19am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
In the 70s and 80s New Zealand was fighting apartheid.
Apartheid is back, and it is on our doorstep. Surgery. Who gets it, who doesn’t.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/new-zealand-now-the-new-south-africa/
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June 20, 2023 10:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Apparently registration is now not required Anyone acting the goat will be removed.
  
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  June 20, 2023 10:25am
vand

CRM114
If he can’t separate his personal beliefs from his professional responsibilities, then he shouldn’t hold his position.
He’s there to teach math, not moralize to others.
Not a hero, clearly a religious zealot.
Again, based on the article.”

Well, CRM – join the real world – teachers at my grand daughter’s school (English, Media Studies ) push their beliefs-socialism/ anti Christian sentiment regularly – But as they are not “religious” beliefs they are not called out.
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June 20, 2023 10:34am
Prince

Wonderful diversity in Stuff’s cartoonists.
If only the Govt would make some mistakes and give them something to lampoon.
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June 20, 2023 10:42am
Maggy Wassilieff

Nanaia Mahuta throws a curve ball to the Maori Party.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132366309/nanaia-mahuta-wont-stand-on-labour-list-goes-all-in-on-hauraki-waikato-seat

Or has she realised that she was going to be ranked so low on Labour’s list, she’d be out of Parliament?
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June 20, 2023 11:16am
- Swifty
  
  Maggy, may I ask how is hubby?
  
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  June 20, 2023 2:32pm
Surely Knott

If it’s ok to prioritise people based on race for healthcare outcomes. Then why aren’t they targeting by race for the factors they know cause these gaps.

Imagine if they said, only high risk ethnic groups will be banned from buying cigarettes, unhealthy foods and alcohol. .

These are obviously ridiculous and intrusive ideas that we reject in a free and liberal society as illiberal, intrusive and racist. People have a right to make their choices and live there lives even if they lead to poorer outcomes. Choice.

So it’s absolutely impossible to control the outcome if you can’t control the input. And NZers of all races absolutely don’t want to have our lives controlled by the govt. We just want everyone to be given healthcare in a timely manner and to a high standard. That’s not happening.
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June 20, 2023 11:20am
- Blog-aholic
  
  The CCP us a social credit system to do just that sort of thing ……so maybe?
  
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  June 20, 2023 11:47am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Ironically we actually used to do this with Maori re alcohol. Due to drunk Maori selling land for basically nothing and various other issues, Maori were banned from drinking anywhere but in licensed premises for decades. It was still wrong of course.
  
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  June 20, 2023 12:51pm
  - cmm
    
    Banned by whom? Doesn’t this still exist in some form in Maori wardens?
    
    The existence of Maori wardens was a huge shock to me when I arrived from SA in 1992, thinking that my experiences of racism were behind me in SA.
    
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    June 20, 2023 5:03pm
- kevn
  
  @SK… There was a blackmarket in KFC during Aklds lockdown. Fellow connoisseurs were sneaking it in around back roads from Waikato to Akld.
  
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  June 20, 2023 4:37pm
Littletramp

So now we have an international level soccer player knocks an opponent half his size to the ground, and when he gets a verbal spray from the guy on the ground, he and his team mates refuse to come out for the 2nd half.
Is this is what they are taught about competing in the big wide world these days? Good Luck with that.
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June 20, 2023 11:29am
Chuck Bird

Q 7 should be interesting

Dr SHANE RETI to the Minister of Health: How much weighting will be given to the ethnicity component of the equity adjuster for surgical wait-lists, and what other parts of the health system, if any, has she looked at applying the adjuster to?
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June 20, 2023 11:37am
Sparrow

We have certainly lost our toughness. When I was playing rugby( yes just after Webb Ellis picked up that ball) would never have finished a game if we had taken umbrage at the shit yes racial as well directed our way. Presumably cricket is next. England can get a draw by walking off in protest at the Aussie sledging. Think what Richard Hadlee had to put up with early in his career. Harden up lads.
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June 20, 2023 11:44am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

If your EV runs out of power on the motorway, do you walk to the charging station to get a bucketful of electricity?
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June 20, 2023 12:34pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  No you act like that tele ad where he has that really long extension cord that juuust isn’t quite long enough….but it is OK because that lady comes along and helps him…..
  
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  June 20, 2023 1:39pm
  - kowtow
    
    lady ?
    
    I find it interesting just how that witchy type person is portrayed , a kinda indigenous , eco “Green Man” , a type of reprise of a forest goddess .
    
    Anyway , it’s very ugly and off putting.
    
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    June 20, 2023 2:08pm
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      re: that lame ad -The obesity factor, around role models, is more worrying as an image to exalt, rather than the {unintended} religious element.
      A revival of Celtic Druidic religion is less of a risk to society overall IMO than normalising morbid obesity.
      
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      June 20, 2023 3:11pm
  - Local Miller
    
    And hysterically she pushes him away from the power supply. Why not just push him back 3 yards and plug in?
    
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    June 20, 2023 4:40pm
- peterwn
  
  Presumably the cops will simply order a tow truck and if you pay the driver he will take you to a charging point. Otherwise (presumably) he will dump you where there is unrestricted parking and leave you to it.
  
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  June 20, 2023 8:30pm
Chris Nisbet

Newshub headline: “Govt confirms banking inquiry amid profit concerns – so what can it look at?”
It seems that the government are a bit concerned that the banks are making money.
I’m a bit worried because this government might actually do a reasonable job of fixing the problem of a business making money.
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June 20, 2023 12:44pm
- I remember when
  
  Chris Hipkins didn’t seem very prepared for the question when Ryan asked him, “What aspects of the Banks activities lead to the government instituting the banking inquiry.”
  Ryan pointed out that when he looked at the ANZ profit, against the their business asset value, they sat in the middle of the listed companies.
  His next question pointed the dagger, “What other companies will you be holding an inquiry about.”
  
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  June 20, 2023 2:48pm
- Prince
  
  Seems some people expect ANZ, and other banks, to invest $B’s of assets in NZ out of the goodness of their heart, not expecting any return to shareholders.
  And if they, and other large enterprises, continue to profit from their activities, the Govt might just commandeer those assets as suggested by the Consumer NZ, and various Media Commentators.
  I’m sure that will have only good consequences, comrades.
  
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  June 20, 2023 5:35pm
  - Ghost
    
    If I was the banks I’d be looking at this and hoping it goes the same way as labours investigation into supermarkets and petrol companies, bigger profits coming for banks if it does……
    
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    June 20, 2023 5:40pm
Prince

If you have a strong stomach, take a look at Bryce Edwards detailing the Stuart Nash report.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2023/06/20/bryce-edwards-the-troubling-report-into-stuart-nashs-conflicts-of-interest/

Yet the media (RNZ of course, The Spinoff, Stuff) could only parrot ‘Stuart Nash cleared in Cabinet Report’.
Although Nash has deleted much of the correspondence.

So Nash leaks Cabinet discussions to his donors, including an old school chum now worth multi $M’s. This chum is appointed to head a ‘Business Development’ team to support Nash. Then he asks to be excluded from the ‘Hit The Rich’ tax report organised by Parker, because he’s ‘too busy supporting (Nash).

And on it goes, the most transparent and open Government…!
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June 20, 2023 1:56pm
- alex Masterley
  
  I read the piece by Bryce Edwards.
  The media mentioned only worry about triffling matters of leaks to donors and the issue of mates being appointed to quangos when it suits their collective point of view. Labout good, National/Act bad….
  
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  June 20, 2023 2:56pm
Maggie Pie

If you’re ever thinking of going on a ‘Carnival Cruise’….
do what we do and always book Cabin 9115

https://twitter.com/eclipsethis2003/status/1670849467505836034

You can follow me here for more amazing Travel & Holiday tips
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June 20, 2023 2:04pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Damn, that’s whack!
  
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  June 20, 2023 2:21pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, those baby elephants cruise because the airlines charge extra.
  
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  June 20, 2023 2:32pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… I noticed a common denominator in the make-up of that cruising crowd.
  
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  June 20, 2023 4:33pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    A predisposition to violence?
    
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    June 20, 2023 8:08pm
- kisekiman
  
  Do you like Pina Coladas,
  and getting punched in the face?
  
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  June 21, 2023 7:49am
I remember when

It was great to hear Chris Hipkins, perhaps inadvertently, admitting a couple of reasons for the outcomes in health statistics, when interviewed by Ryan Bridges this morning.
After Maori and Pacific he included Distance (Isolation) and Income (Cost).
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June 20, 2023 2:38pm
Maggie Pie

SMOKE CANNON ACTIVATED

NZ Horrid reports that Westfield Mall in Newmarket has been evacuated…. after a “knife weilding thug” attempted to rob Michael Hill Jewellers!

(FGS…What has Michael done to sooo piss off all these lowlife scum?)

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1670919788279767044
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June 20, 2023 3:50pm
Swifty

The poverty levels must be right up in Wellie:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132370900/painting-of-loafers-lodge-victim-stolen-by-alleged-shoplifters-from-memorial
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June 20, 2023 3:52pm
Swifty

Two points:

1. If you dare to question Labour and the Green’s policies of racial discrimination then that makes YOU the racist.

2. We have reached a very sorry state in New Zealand when politicians hurl accusations of racism around when clearly in an attempt, not to win a debate, but to shut a debate down.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/greens-co-leader-marama-davidson-accuses-act-of-racist-questioning-speaker-ejects-her-from-the-house/J7WESTXGONG37CADPICJJX7JA4/

This is a disgraceful tactic. It brings shame upon Davidson and the Greens. If we can’t debate these matters of critical importance openly, fairly and honestly as a society we are lost, and especially in our House of Representatives debating chamber!

I say again we are in deep, deep trouble when we have politicians thinking it is ok to behave like this.
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June 20, 2023 5:13pm
- Ghost
  
  I didn’t like that the speaker brought her back in to ask her question. Nope. With speakers before him if you get kicked out your question goes with you. Sometimes the speaker has allowed someone else in the party to ask it. This speaker is turning out to be just as bad as mallard.
  
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  June 20, 2023 5:25pm
Warren

Talbott Mills poll has Labour in front and the media having orgasms over Luxon as Hipkins surges ahead in preferred Prime Minister’s poll.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/talbot-mills-poll-shows-bounce-back-for-labour-bad-news-for-nationals-christopher-luxon-and-nz-first/ZKKVRXRJ6VEZLGEFU6YWXOGSII/
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June 20, 2023 5:49pm
kevn

@Warren… Talbot who? NZ says labour are goners.
Just the social media types pumping it out.
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June 20, 2023 7:02pm
Ghost

Trouble in paradise

Te Pāti Māori has lost one of its most prominent candidates, Heather Te Au Skipworth.

Skipworth had been announced as its candidate for Ikaroa Rāwhiti before ex-Labour minister Meka Whaitiri defected to Te Pāti Māori, and replaced Skipworth as its candidate in the eastern Māori seat.

Meanwhile, Labour is gearing up to confirm its candidate to go up against Whaitiri.

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