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NeverMindTheBollocks

Govt proposal to set up Kermadec marine sanctuary opposed by 40+ iwi.

Applying the moa resource exploitation standard, I see.
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June 14, 2023 8:01am
- sirknz
  
  But they are fine stewards of the environment & are in touch with nature in a way that non special people aren’t we are told ad nauseum…
  
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  June 14, 2023 8:24am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Only a fool would support something when there is good koha to be had in not supporting it. This could be worth billions to them.
  
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  June 14, 2023 9:01am
  - Prince
    
    So definitely a nation divided then.
    
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    June 14, 2023 9:46am
  - zulumonster
    
    At least they were honest enough to mention potential financial benefits of the resource if the sanctuary wasn’t in place. Not really seized upon by the reporters – that would be racist I suppose.
    
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    June 14, 2023 10:12am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      And what exactly is our problem with that? If you are the legal owner of something which carries a potential financial benefit, whether or not you are actually using it, then you have every right to proper compensation if Government action takes it away from you. Theft is still theft even if the thief has the best of intentions for your property.
      
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      June 14, 2023 11:02am
      - Jaundiced
        
        How are iwi the legal owners of the Kermadec Islands? And even so, has Māori culture, alongside that of Western culture, not evolved to recognise the value of conservation beyond financial gain?
        
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        June 14, 2023 3:34pm
      - Jack5
        
        New Zealand annexed the islands in 1887 – nearly half a century after the Treaty of Waitangi.
        
        Evidence it was visited by Maori? Indications of ancient food gardens, canoe anchor stones, and a piece of volcanic glass from the Bay of Plenty are cited.
        
        How archaeologists dated the glass being left 700 years ago in the Kermadecs, and how they placed its origin, would be interesting.
        
        If Maori did at times live in the Kermadecs, their claim is more credible than the Maori stake in the wireless frequency medium. That’s perhaps the world’s most outrageous indigenous claim.
        
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        June 14, 2023 8:28pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  Iwi have only one driver, dressed up in all sorts of costumes and that’s money. Any attempt at empathy for their past suffering or concern for their present outcomes are ruthlessly exploited. I have no time for them.
  
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  June 14, 2023 10:41am
  - Clyde
    
    The extent of cultural extortion is amazing but not surprising. I see that the University of Otago which is head deep in financial crap has decided to become a “treaty led organisation” and as part of this has commissioned some sort of East Polynesian pole which has been placed in a prominent position on the campus. BUT, its been wrapped and the whole shebang surrounded by covers. The Otago Daily Times has asked how much it cost and when was it going to be unveiled. The ODT has been told that their questions were vexatious and culturally insensitive.
    
    At the same time, the University has been willing to spend millions on rebranding to demonstrate this cultural crap – remember that science is not really science unless it considers East Polynesian science.
    
    And, at the same time the University is asking the Liemore Pardy for more money. I’m sure they will get it as long as the money comes at the same time as the grand unveiling of this pole and the new logo – all accompanied by the appropriate wailing.
    
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    June 14, 2023 11:07am
    - kowtow
      
      I’d guess special unveiling at Seven Sisters .
      
      How much “koha” will be paid to the performers.
      
      I ask because te media pardy are outraged a Joyce payment .
      
      So any payment from a cash strapped uni should be fair game .
      
      Innit.
      
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      June 14, 2023 11:25am
- peterwn
  
  Government (either) should say to the Greens – sort it out and we will legislate when you have got your ducks in a row.
  
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  June 14, 2023 11:37am
Simon

RNZ is dog shit. Why do poor people, fellow NZs, have to pay GST on milk and bread for dog shit like RNZ?
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June 14, 2023 8:02am
- Paulus
  
  RNZ should not be allowed to set up their own investigation.
  Should be an independent Councel as they are really not able to investigate their own.
  
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  June 14, 2023 8:28am
  - cmm
    
    Sure, it will be independent.
    
    Labour, Green and Meg Foon will set up an independent review.
    
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    June 14, 2023 11:00am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  Simon, I put three news in same category … put feet up last night poured glass of wine and turned on the news… some smarmy bastard reporting on Chris Luxon buying his second Tesla was top story followed by mangy pearl clutching woman waxing off about the rights of scumbag prisoners being in solitary confinement for 23 hours – I am sure we are doomed and I’m going to drink more wine to ease the pain
  
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  June 14, 2023 10:19am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Close Hen I must warn you that watching TV news whilst clutching a glass of wine can and has resulted in the need of a new TV and they’re not cheap.
    
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    June 14, 2023 10:45am
    - Close Hen Counters
      
      Haha I hear you!!!!!
      
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      June 14, 2023 12:46pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  At least Jesse Mulligan seems to be limited to restaurant reviews…
  
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  June 14, 2023 11:15am
Simon

Ian Taylor more honest than anyone in parliament.

“The annual tax take is $113 billion a year. Of that, $19b is spent on health, $17b is spent on education. Both are on the verge of collapse.”

Compare Taylor to Luxon / National who are reduced to gaslighting rubbish like managing processes.

What about a critical examination of systems that have billions poured into them and just produce shit. What about some honesty from that grinning mess Luxon.
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June 14, 2023 8:03am
- Taieri
  
  What about a critical examination of systems that have billions poured into them and just produce shit.
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  Not going to happen, regardless of your “assessment” of Luxon. The organizational inertia in the said systems will knock any attempts on the head. Need someone like Roger Douglas but such a someone is unfortunately not around.
  
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  June 14, 2023 8:36am
  - pdm
    
    Taieri – the Auditor General seems to have done that with the Provincial Growth Fund and pretty much torn everyone involved a new a/hole.
    
    Mike Hosking seems to be the only one talking about that report though. Why?
    
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    June 14, 2023 9:37am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Luxon has ripped into this and is pointing again to no accountability or success from the money wasted
      
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      June 14, 2023 11:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  $19b spent on Health? $19b wasted on Health. FIFY.
  $17b spent on Education? $19 wasted on Education. FIFY.
  The Health System is a shambles, and it is not caused by those who work there. Hoe many Ministers of Health have we had in the last 5 1/2 years? It takes more than the fingers on one hand to count them. It is caused by a Govt that has no idea on how to Govern. It is just a personal lollie scramble to Labour.
  The Education System is nothing more than a Marxist indoctrination camp, then on top we have this pride and drag queen shit. I thought kids went to school to learn the basics. I am sure there are some kids greatest achievement is being able to write their own name when leaving. Labour are dumbing us down – socialism.
  
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  June 14, 2023 8:40am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    This is it.
    
    Tallentless people who a milking the taxpayer for every cent they can while making everything worse.
    
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    June 14, 2023 9:05am
  - Groggy
    
    Wrong; there have been 4 Minsters of health since Jonathan Coleman/National; D Clark, Hipkins, Little, Verrall. One hand is enough to count them
    
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    June 14, 2023 10:36am
    - alwyn.a
      
      One hand might be enough for you. I made the mistake, just before the last election, of shaking hands with the Labour candidate in my electorate.
      I had all my fingers before I did so. After he let go I discovered that I only had three left on my right hand. I need both hands now to count to four.
      Be warned. If you get a Labour candidate offering greetings don’t accept. They’ll pinch anything they can.
      
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      June 14, 2023 11:21am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Boom!!!
        
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        June 15, 2023 8:00am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    The question isn’t why do kids want to see drag Queens perform in schools but rather why would drag queens want to perform to children. Think about it.
    
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    June 14, 2023 10:53am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Question is why do twisted educators want little kids to see this, the kids possibly don’t realise exactly what they are, I bet these frockies come out sll smiles and jokes and the kids will think it’s great
      
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      June 14, 2023 11:19am
      - Stellaboxer
        
        If I were an adult entertainer and in my opinion a drag queen is, although they have more in common with black face than a pole dancer, I wouldn’t be interested in performing to children unless of course I were interested in children.
        
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        June 14, 2023 11:35am
      - Ghost
        
        For some it’s that they don’t have their own kids and enjoy being able to read or entertain kids.
        
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        June 14, 2023 11:54am
- John Loveridge
  
  Taylor appears to understand that the Government is throwing many billions of dollars into a very deep black hole with all but nothing to show for it. Yet bizarrely he signed that open letter expressing his willingness to give them more of his own good money to fling in after the bad. I don’t understand.
  
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  June 14, 2023 8:59am
  - Colville
    
    He said he would give more if they would spend it wisely.
    They wont so his money is safe.
    
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    June 14, 2023 9:58am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes, snd he said he would remove his name if not wisely spent
      
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      June 14, 2023 11:21am
  - Bob
    
    bizarrely he signed that open letter expressing……
    perhaps Taylor is actually a slow learner, and has only now ‘seen the light’; despite his millions.
    
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    June 14, 2023 10:01am
    - Cassandra
      
      Or possibly a rather silly hypocrite.
      
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      June 14, 2023 10:06am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, but he had caveats with his signature, he doesn’t mind paying more, but stated he will remove his signature if the money is not well budgeted for
    
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    June 14, 2023 11:21am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  National were doing that via data Simon. Then Labour came in and reversed it. When you have a mindset that more money will fix everything, and every time you have tried the same thing and it fails, you are a moron.
  
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  June 14, 2023 9:34am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The thing is, labour removed targets and anything that measures success, the question is why? If they missed targets it is not the end of the world as long as they are trying to fix it, but to just remove the targets and not answer to any of the failure is disgusting, and what’s with this lying about wait times and the like, it should be a crime
    
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    June 14, 2023 11:27am
    - Hard Cheese
      
      I suspect because they’d done nothing to prepare for coming into government in 2017 deep down they knew that their policies were likely to fail, and as a caucus decided that their “insurance policy” was to remove all targets so they could blag their way out of trouble when they eventually did fail. Which is exactly what did happen and exactly what they do in response, and plan C is then “throw some more money at it”
      
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      June 14, 2023 2:05pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

The FMA observes & RNZ bemoans that women on average live longer than men, but still retire with less.

How about ‘Men are cruelly denied years of the retirement life they have prudently saved for’?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018894224/women-retiring-with-less-than-men-despite-living-longer-fma
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June 14, 2023 8:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Men die earlier with more because they work harder and longer.//
  Duck Steve, here they come – bang!
  
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  June 14, 2023 8:43am
- amospicton
  
  Men dying earlier than women is pure misogyny….identity politics has taken us to some very strange places.
  
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  June 14, 2023 9:13am
  - Matt Long
    
    Men are dying younger obviously because the healthcare spend for men is less, let’s allocate another billion dollars to ‘mens health,” that will fix everything.
    
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    June 14, 2023 9:45am
    - kowtow
      
      And where’s the Ministry for Persons with Balls.
      
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      June 14, 2023 11:27am
      - sirknz
        
        Is this ministry just for rugby players or can other players of other sports get representation through this too?
        
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        June 14, 2023 2:36pm
    - Drone
      
      @Matt maybe men can tag along with the treatment for special people to extend their lives..//
      
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      June 14, 2023 11:50am
  - rouppe
    
    Misandry, not misogyny
    
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    June 14, 2023 10:51am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    On average I think they do, but pubs and the like don’t help us in latter life😃🍺
    
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    June 14, 2023 11:28am
- Prince
  
  Clearly our hospitals and Health system are biased in favour of women. We need positive discrimination to solve the inequality.
  
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  June 14, 2023 9:50am
- Colville
  
  Why do married mem die before their wives?
  
  Because they want to.
  
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  June 14, 2023 10:00am
  - MCōs
    
    Suit yourself
    
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    June 14, 2023 4:13pm
Warren

I see the Herald and Newshub are trying to outdo each other on who is the worst excuse for a Journalist with Simon Wilson and Loyd Burr going head to head on who pens the best hate mail.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/06/national-leader-christopher-luxon-ordered-then-cancelled-tesla-while-criticising-government-s-subsidy-scheme.html
Both these so called Journalists are a disgrace to their positions.
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June 14, 2023 8:06am
- Dougal10
  
  I thought only the cheap teslas got a subsidy so is this really a story.
  
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  June 14, 2023 8:37am
  - DeepBlue
    
    Finally a comment to smile about. It’s been a while.
    Maybe I’m getting my mojo back.
    
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    June 14, 2023 9:07am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Foot soldiers are trying to make a thing about this, so he ordered a Tesla, but that would automatically start the subsidy I would have thought.
    
    What are they trying to suggest here? Is the subsidy only for lefties? Has the division come to this has it?
    
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    June 14, 2023 11:30am
- Gravelroad
  
  @Warren –
  We are at the stage now where I, for one, don’t trust anything these journalists say.
  RNZ, print media, TV news – all compromised by direct government funding based on providing and maintaining a certain narrative.
  No oversight, no balance, no consequences.
  Too much power to manipulate the news their way and absolutely no respect for the non-political customers out here.
  
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  June 14, 2023 8:40am
  - oldgolfer
    
    Yes, and as the bias has become more evident, they have attracted those only too keen to offer up their own opinion as news. When Labour gets booted, they might all find that the river of govt advertising on which they exist, dries up. That will be a day to celebrate. Not too many sleeps now.
    
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    June 14, 2023 10:52am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The vitriol this last week suggests another poll is coming
      
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      June 14, 2023 11:31am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Burr was just about wetting his pants on TV3 news last night. I had alot of respect for Burr, sadly he shot his foor last night with that terrible piece of so called journalism.
  
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  June 14, 2023 10:06am
- Bevan
  
  Wait, wait wait, so Luxon ORDERED, then CANCELLED a Telsa!!!!!!!!
  
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  June 14, 2023 10:29am
  - Nickc2
    
    The car in question was an offered self-drive parliamentary car (the leader of the opposition’s entitlement). Luxon wasn’t required to pay anything towards the car.
    The rest is just a Marxist Journalist’s beat-up.
    
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    June 14, 2023 12:14pm
- Grizz
  
  If you buy a Tesla with your own money, you do not have to take the rebate if you object to it. So he is left buying an ICE vehicle and having to pay the pollution tax. Given how I feel about how the government spends my taxes, I would be reluctant to do this either.
  
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  June 14, 2023 10:30am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Apparently, but they tried to suggest the whole car was tax payer funded, not just that he would have received an automatic subsidy I think when you order a new Tesla the subsidy is automatically calculated with the price, but when the car turns up, you would have to say nope, I am paying more, it would be a bit silly to bugger about with that, so maybe tgd reason he cancelled it
    
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    June 14, 2023 11:35am
- kiwi_chileno
  
  What was the source for this story? The media asked Luxon’s office to comment on what they already knew – that Parliamentary Services had offered him a Tesla, which he had accepted (he only cancelled it after the media started asking about it). How did they know this? Did a partisan employee of Parliamentary Services leak the information to the media? This would be a very serious matter, and there should be a leak inquiry. What are the chances….?
  
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  June 14, 2023 12:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Donald Trump Donald Trump Donald Trump
All of a sudden the media are all over him like flies on shit.
Idiot box this morning, play school TV1 — the blonde bimbo, ‘Donald Trump has pleaded guilty – oh my goodness, not guilty to X charges’
Now I know she is a bit thick but tell me that was not planned.
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June 14, 2023 8:07am
- Opie
  
  Steve – where can you get impartial info on this? I don’t trust anything from nz and would like to know what’s actually going on…
  
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  June 14, 2023 8:09am
  - Paulus
    
    Ask RNZ they will tell you their story !
    
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    June 14, 2023 8:30am
  - Ehlana
    
    Opie, what is actually going on is that former President Trump has been charged, has appeared in Court and pled not guilty. One day there’ll presumably be a trial and eventually a verdict. Possibly followed by appeals.
    
    If you really want to, you can watch footage of his plane landing (looks like every other plane landing you’ve ever seen) and listen to people who are not lawyers for either side, or the judge, speculate.
    
    Alternatively, there are lots of cute animal videos to waste your time on.
    
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    June 14, 2023 8:35am
    - crikey
      
      Ehlana: “ pled not guilty”. Pleaded…not guilty please. None of that American desecration of English. Only Maori-based desecration is allowed.
      
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      June 14, 2023 8:55am
      - Flossie
        
        While on that subject – please will people stop using “gotten”! And “mom and pop”. Americanisms we do not need.
        
        [Mod – people can comment how they like]
        
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        June 14, 2023 9:27am
      - Ehlana
        
        crikey: noted.
        
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        June 14, 2023 9:39am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      So he didn’t plead guilty to any charge? Did the above poster not say that’s what was reported?
      
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      June 14, 2023 11:37am
      - Ehlana
        
        Correct. He has pleaded not guilty to all charges.
        
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        June 14, 2023 1:36pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You mean you want those white, far right, conspiracy websites that [If you wish to comment on moderation, you risk taking a looong holiday. Just don’t. mod.] used to waffle about?
    Valiant News.com.
    Liberty one news.
    Red Blooded Conservative.
    Patriots News Stand.
    Doug Billings. (this is a good one)
    There’s a few. Just get on their mailing list. You don’t have to read the emails if you don’t like it. I discard a few.
    
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    June 14, 2023 8:54am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Sorry Mod, I was not commenting on ‘Moderation.’ I was commenting on how Batman was trying to wind me up in a fun way. There was no nastiness from him or me. I think we both enjoyed it.
      If I was commenting on actual Moderation likes and dislikes, I would probably deserve a holiday. Cheers.
      
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      June 14, 2023 9:31am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    I use Legalinsurrection.com.
    He’s a conservative Cornell Law School professor.
    Specialises in use of force type cases but covers this kind of stuff too.
    
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    June 14, 2023 9:28am
- Inandout
  
  One hundred documents would fit into one box, so why the dozens shown on that FBI stage?
  
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  June 14, 2023 9:05am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Boxes planted by the FBI for the cameras, and the fake news.
    
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    June 14, 2023 9:32am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Why would Trump store boxes in his shower room?
      
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      June 14, 2023 9:36am
      - Ehlana
        
        I see lots of showers in American homes with seats in them – maybe he reads in the shower?
        
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        June 14, 2023 9:46am
      - Inandout
        
        Maggy, I guess the same reason Biden used his open garage to store documents. The latter of course was merely a VP at the time so shouldn’t have had them.
        
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        June 14, 2023 9:46am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        FBI set it up. Some of them are not that bright – and of course Democrats.
        Anything, anything, to hurt Trump and stop him running for POTUS in 2024.
        Boxes on the ballroom stage and in a bathroom? All not under lock and key.
        The left and the FBI are lowlifes. It is all just ridiculous, but documents on a box in a Corvett garage is OK, nothing to see here. A VP would never be allowed to remove Whitehouse documents.
        The loopy left know he is going to win. They also know they are dead meat.
        Even after the 4 year term there will be a lot of suing of those who craossed Trump’s path.
        
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        June 14, 2023 9:57am
      - Don Beckett
        
        WRT the Trump fiasco prosecution, my lawyer friend in Illinois has this further comment:
        ” The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.
        Article II, Section One, Constitution of the United States of America
        Under Article Two of the Constitution, the President has all the powers of the Executive Branch. That is why he can declassify documents at will. By definition any restrictions regarding Executive branch documents do not bind him. Any laws seeking to bind his handling of such documents are, ab initio, unconstitutional attempts to restrict his Article Two powers. No Executive Order can bind him, as Executive Orders are purely the creation of a president and no Executive Order of a president can bind his successors when it comes to documents or anything else. Besides the blatant partisan nature of the Trump prosecution, it is an attempt to make the agencies of the Executive branch superior to the President. It stands our constitutional order on its head. It is an attempted coup and the idiots currently controlling the Executive Branch are too blind in their Orange Man Bad mania to comprehend it.”
        This indictment/prosecution is going nowhere – the Biden DOJ is going to have egg all over its face, and will simply fuel the fire to get Trump elected in 2024.
        
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        June 14, 2023 10:44am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        All his papers are stored in a secure vault, are they trying to suggest they weee scattered around like Bidens crimes?
        
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        June 14, 2023 11:39am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Don Beckett.
        Just can across this today Don.
        ” The President has all the powers of the Executive Branch.” The TDS sufferers fail to understand this, but when you mention Biden the left go all funny in the head. The statement says “The President” not “The Vice President”
        When Trump wins next year he needs to bury the whole Biden Families for goos. Joe has been taking kickbacks for 50 years. It is a way of life for him – he sees nothing wrong. Same goes for the Clintons, the Pelosis, all of the to dogs in the Dem Party. Bury them for good.
        Oh yeah, Trump 2024. DeSantis 2028!
        
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        June 15, 2023 8:16am
  - Ehlana
    
    I think they found classified documents among other documents that were taken. The other documents would have taken up the rest of the space.
    
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    June 14, 2023 1:38pm
Nukuleka

Intetesting to see schools up and down the country celebrating PRIDE week. Wanaka’s Mt Aspiring College, Form 1-7, is probably a typical example with colouring-in the Drag Queen competitions, Pride Speech competitions, PRIDE mufti day and a PRIDE parade. The school’s walls are adorned with colourful rainbow posters encouraging the pupils to love whomsoever they want to. Perhaps not the best message to be promoting when so much publicity has lately been given to court cases involving inappropriate student/ teacher relationships.

Just saying.
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June 14, 2023 8:09am
- Loddenthinks
  
  That’s not the message though, is it? We already see students being failed for “promoting heteronormative” norms.
  
  These sickos and weirdos very much mind if little Johnny knows he’s a boy and wants to get inside Susan’s knickers. They won’t be happy until everyone’s pretending they’re something they’re not (and can never be) and we all worship at the altar of pedophilia.
  
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  June 14, 2023 8:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I still want to get inside Susan’s knickers, but I think she is gay.//
    
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    June 14, 2023 9:35am
- WaynelSexton
  
  Makes you think, maybe Islam wouldn’t be so bad after all.
  
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  June 14, 2023 9:32am
  - Swifty
    
    Steady on.
    
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    June 14, 2023 9:57am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  See Douglas Murray on “Pride” (and other stuff LGBTQ). He’s brilliant. Nothing funnier when a homosexual dude blathers on about him being a CIS straight white male. And then gets owned as badly as anyone has ever been owned. As Murray is a homosexual.
  
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  June 14, 2023 9:44am
  - alloytoo
    
    Piers and Douglas just aghast at how ignorant the little turd was.
    
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    June 14, 2023 11:27am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Morning Report leads with exploitation of Chinese migrant labour by NZ businesses.

Scratch the surface and the NZ businesses are fronted by people with Chinese names and accents. Similarly, the immigration agents referred to are based in China; it’s reasonable to assume they are Chinese also.

This is not the first instance; similar stories are common in retail within the local branch of the Indian diaspora.

It really gets on my tits that the good name of New Zealand is dragged through the mud by immigrants exploiting other immigrants.
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June 14, 2023 8:11am
- kowtow
  
  Our very first slavery case the same.
  
  I think te media pardy call it ‘the diversity dividend’.
  
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  June 14, 2023 8:40am
  - Matt Long
    
    First case of Modern slavery.
    
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    June 14, 2023 10:02am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Since 1840?
      
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      June 14, 2023 11:03am
Yvette

“We have become a very negative, wet, whiny, inward-looking country and we have lost the plot and we have got to get our mojo back.”

1 – Jackson getting a bit nasty
“Chris Luxon owes every New Zealander an apology for this disgraceful comment about New Zealand!”[Willie] Jackson wrote in a post on Facebook.
The Labour Minister said Luxon’s comments were “extraordinarily offensive” to Kiwis doing it tough and those impacted by the recent weather events.
“He is talking down our country while proposing policy that is harsh, mean and stupid!” Jackson continued.
“We have our challenges as a country which we must work together to fix, but he is nothing more than a negative hater fixated on helping the few and not the many.”
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/06/election-2023-labour-s-willie-jackson-demands-christopher-luxon-apologise-over-negative-wet-whiny-comments.html

2 – nasty
“After nine years of this National Government, propped up by the Māori party, there’s not a lot to brag about. Māori are more likely to be overweight, depressed, homeless, incarcerated and uneducated according to these disturbing statistics produced under National’s watch.
– Kelvin Davis, MP for Te Tai Tokerau, Māori Development, Corrections
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1702/S00255/no-mana-for-maori.htm

3 – nastier
Regarding the Haumaha Inquiry, Mr Shane Jones says, “… the latest attack from National Party spokesperson Chris Bishop, that New Zealand First shouldn’t be involved in picking a replacement for the inquiry because MP Fletcher Tabuteau comes from the same hapu as Mr Haumaha, is a new low for politics.
“Mr Bishop came from the tobacco industry so he’s a tough character and I’m sure he suffered no moral misgivings about his old industry, the tobacco industry, which has killed so many Māori women. So we’re dealing with a new level of vilification but one or three of us in parliament are made of sterner stuff than that and what goes around comes around,” Mr Jones says
– “Vilification, National strategy in Haumaha inquiry”
https://waateanews.com/2018/08/08/vilification-national-strategy-in-haumaha-inquiry/

… and we have lost the plot
But, randomly cherry-picked: Kelvin Davis (2017) and Shane Jones (2018) surely have lost the plot quite a bit earlier – somewhat nasty people
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June 14, 2023 8:11am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  “a negative hater fixated on helping the few and not the many”. Says Willie Jackson. Probably the most laughable bit of hypocrisy we will see this week. Though it’s a Labour|Green Government. Anything can happen.
  
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  June 14, 2023 10:03am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I was arguing with that smug Shane Jones on FB, attacking all parties, I said you arseholes created the mess we are in and you will never regain parliament, he tried to say they are polling at 5% and are back, can’t see any polls suggesting this, infact TPU poll had them down to 1.3 %
  
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  June 14, 2023 11:44am
Tony Stuart

The bloke who punched an elderly woman in the head at the Posey Parker rally, fracturing her skull, has been given diversion. That’s despite the victim opposing diversion being offered:

NZ Media Watch
@nz_media_watch
This afternoon we spoke with the advocate of the 71 year-old lady violently assaulted in Albert Park.

On May 22nd the victim was advised by
@nzpolice
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I am emailing to let you know that diversion has NOT been approved by the diversion officer due to the serious nature of the offence.

Yesterday -June 12th- the accused was scheduled to appear in Auckland District Court. At the last possible moment police advised the victim:
The defendant has been granted diversion and the hearing has been adjourned to allow him to complete his diversion. I have been advised as part of his diversion he will be asked to pay [the victim] $1,000, do counselling, complete community work, and to write an apology letter.

The victim has opposed diversion throughout the process and feels thoroughly let down by NZ Police, the Ministry of Justice, and Victim Support. She considers diversion to be an outright miscarriage of justice, that a conviction and the naming of her assailant ought to be the absolute minimum outcome.

https://twitter.com/nz_media_watch/status/1668555558541197313

If you’ve forgotten this incident, here’s video footage of what appears to be a completely unprovoked assault:

https://twitter.com/SimonRAnderson1/status/1668590763297611776

The assailant is one of the first people to come through the barriers and makes a beeline for the woman, shoving her then punching her in the head. For that he gets no conviction, permanent name suppression, and pretty insignificant consequences. That’s despite the victim opposing diversion right through the court process.

Justice? Yeah right.
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June 14, 2023 8:14am
- alex Masterley
  
  That change of position by the Police is disheartening.
  An assault charge is not one suitable for diversion suddenly becomes a charge that can be the subject of diversion.
  I don’t understand that.
  Something smells.
  
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  June 14, 2023 8:20am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Under bullying pressure from certain gender-based groups, the Police will have agreed that the man who punched the old lady is actually the victim.
    We don’t want to hear from uppity old ladies.
    The man is the victim here.
    
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    June 14, 2023 8:54am
  - backster
    
    The Police have a Gender Liason Section headed by a transvestite Senior Sergeant. I wonder if they influenced this decision and the shameful non response by the Police in the first instance.
    
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    June 14, 2023 9:10am
  - Beach Haven expat
    
    Police haven’t really changed position – they tried very hard not to investigate this from the start. It was only when people on social media, including Leo Molloy, started tracking down the scumbag and posting the video that police were forced into a corner to be seen to act. Offering diversion to tie this up neatly without any conviction or public naming was clearly a desirable outcome. Expect diversio for the tomate juice thrower too.
    
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    June 14, 2023 10:16am
- Gaetano
  
  Just shocking but not surprising.
  
  A male punched am elderly woman causing her facial injuries.
  
  IF the guy had no previous convictions, I would expect a suspended sentence, fine, and a couple of hundred hours of community work.
  
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  June 14, 2023 8:43am
- Maggie's partner
  
  I hadn’t seen that before. What a total back and front
  
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  June 14, 2023 8:52am
- RoboRob
  
  If naming the assailant is one of the things she wants, she should take that into her own hands at this point. If the police cant prosecute assault they are going to be hard pressed stopping her 🙂
  
  Sad that NZ police / courts / govt seem to be pushing the population towards vigilantism.
  
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  June 14, 2023 9:01am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Indeed.
    
    If this situation had been reversed, the man would have been doxed right from the get-go, called a Nazi, and had the book thrown at him.
    
    That the victim opposed the diversion is the final straw. But this is the Kumara Republic of Aotearoa in 2023.
    
    I wonder what the weather’s like in Opotiki today.
    
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    June 14, 2023 10:00am
  - backster
    
    The diversion order against the victims wishes would I think be at the direction Of Police Headquarters who would not want the shameful handling of the matter to be aired in Open Court.
    
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    June 14, 2023 10:00am
  - Beach Haven expat
    
    She should but she would be breaching the court supression order – and what is the TAB paying on whether she would face a more serious sentence/outcome than diversion?
    
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    June 14, 2023 10:17am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Surely someone knows him from the video. He should be named and shamed.
    
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    June 14, 2023 11:15am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I expect all the Women MPs from Labour, Te Pāti Māori and The Greens will be very vocal in their displeasure about this matter.//
  
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  June 14, 2023 9:02am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Don’t hold your breath Maggy…
    
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    June 14, 2023 9:03am
  - Taieri
    
    There’re no women in Green Party. They’re known as Persons with Uterus.
    
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    June 14, 2023 10:02am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Or non-men…
      
      https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1668542573223264257
      
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      June 14, 2023 11:33am
  - Gaetano
    
    Kellie Jay Keen has posted about it on twitter. Comments are piling in about woke useless New Zealand justice system.
    
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    June 14, 2023 10:03am
- Grunter
  
  I’m embarrassed to be living in a country where the police are so wet and woke and completely useless. If you are in anyway part of NZ’s judiciary system you should hang your head in shame. Totally disgusting!
  
  But hey – our school kids are celebrating these nut jobs this week. I wonder if that includes punching elderly women and breaking their jaw?
  
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  June 14, 2023 9:34am
- Ghost
  
  I wonder if he got diversion because of that video tony, because it does show the lady pulling up the barrier, the old girl going over to that lady and the old girl pushing her, then the thug coming in and assaulting her. Doesn’t make it right
  
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  June 14, 2023 9:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Naming him would be a breach of suppression. If he was named and shamed it would affect his job and family.//
  Personally I think he went there for a punchup, could not find a suitable person to start up, so his cowardice kicked in and he picked on an elderly lady.
  You’re a legend in your own lunchtime you prick.
  
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  June 14, 2023 9:45am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Hopefully karma will pay him a visit in the near future.
  
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  June 14, 2023 11:10am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I seen this yesterday, but I thought the supporters of Posie were saying this case had been delayed till October
  
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  June 14, 2023 11:45am
Maggy Wassilieff

Yesterday the Media luvvies got their knickers in a twist when they reported on Waikato Uni paying $$$$ for the services of Joyce Advisory.

However the MSM seems to have little interest in the unaccounted-for millions of $$$$$ that have disappeared into the PGF (Provincial Growth Fund) blackhole.

we saw no evidence of clear reporting on how well the PGF reset was achieving its objectives or how the PGF reset’s overall success or value for money could be determined. There was a
lack of clear data available and a lack of clarity about what constitutes success, including evidence of targets for the achievement of objectives.

https://www.parliament.nz/resource/en-NZ/53SCED_EVI_99799_ED12300/48e84c13562c3326e4ed38b1faba27095f7fa0fc

This seems to be yet another example of the MSM protecting our spendthrift Government.
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June 14, 2023 8:24am
- sirknz
  
  The PGF was mentioned for about half a day, with comments turned off on Monday before it was replaced with something else to help obfuscate the Wood fiasco from last week.
  
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  June 14, 2023 8:29am
- Swifty
  
  The waste from this government, the money just absolutely squandered, absolutely sickens me.
  
  Time after time after time, Labour MPs lecture us of the need for taxes, and for their spending programmes to enable ‘essential services like health and education’.
  
  Well, there was nothing ‘essential’ about large proportions of the PGF projects. They were, almost by definition, discretionary. They were ‘nice to haves’ at best.
  
  And now we learn that basic controls were not in place to assess their effectiveness and benefits.
  
  This money is all from the pockets of New Zealand families, from our children’s mouths, either today or in the future through loan repayments.
  
  That many New Zealanders find nothing wrong with this just shows how little we demand or expect from our politicians. We let them get away with far, far too much.
  
  Years ago many here on KB confidently predicted that the PGF would be a rort, existing purely as a NZ First re-election war chest and one that will never return the benefits claimed.
  
  And so it has come to pass.
  
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  June 14, 2023 9:02am
  - Ehlana
    
    Coverage of the recent Auckland City Council meetings about selling the AIAL shares included footage of “Action Against Poverty” people who said the answer was to borrow more. What a pity the reporter didn’t have enough sense to ask them, for every dollar you borrow today, how much do you have to repay tomorrow?
    
    It’s like they don’t understand that loans have to be repaid, and borrowing is how Council got itself into this position to start with.
    
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    June 14, 2023 10:38am
  - barnacle bill
    
    [Mod – debate what is said, don’t make it personal]
    
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    June 14, 2023 10:40am
  - ISeeRed
    
    Tens of billions. Just gone. Nothing to show for it. We should have a flipping colony on the moon for all the money spent.
    
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    June 14, 2023 6:38pm
- RoboRob
  
  Well you see by attacking the university for spending money on Joyce they really are just having a crack at National. That’s ok.
  
  Mention billions down the toilet of the PGF and they are attacking Winston first (who set it up in a failed attempt to bribe there way to a second term) and Labour. That’s not ok.
  
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  June 14, 2023 9:04am
  - kevn
    
    @Robo… I’m sure Joyce and co delivered.
    
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    June 14, 2023 9:16am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes, and the uni started they had gained millions in revenue thanks to him
      
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      June 14, 2023 11:48am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Heh, so Maggy – ultra woke institution of learning pays for the services of some right wing, neoliberal white fella.
  
  I hope any reports were delivered in te Reo…
  
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  June 14, 2023 9:31am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Until the uni pointed out that thanks to Joyce they have lifted revenue by millions
  
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  June 14, 2023 11:46am
- Ruawai
  
  They need to look at results of their investment in Joyce, if he has improved courses and student numbers this will in turn enable the university to employ more staff.
  
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  June 14, 2023 1:15pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  So….Vic, Otago, Auckland and Massey university are facing hundreds of redundancies per campus.
  
  Waikato is making 11 staff redundant…
  
  Sounds like Joyce knows what he’s doing, and the university of Waikato was right to employ him.
  
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  June 14, 2023 2:36pm
Maggie Pie

How will ChatGPT impact on Te Reo Maori?

It’s certainly nothing that money wont fix 😀

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/491925/how-will-chatgpt-impact-te-reo-maori-data-sovereignty-experts-weigh-in
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June 14, 2023 8:24am
- cmm
  
  “Maori data sovereignty”. You couldn’t make this shit up. Can’t use Maori “IP” without paying. Draw a picture of a fern, do a stomping war dance, … pay, pay, pay…
  
  ChatGPT will have to learn what koha means – the painful way.
  
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  June 14, 2023 8:57am
  - RoboRob
    
    lol. Lets see the tribes put their money on the line and try and sue Amazon or Microsoft. Brown tax is only for fools in NZ.
    
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    June 14, 2023 9:07am
- graham
  
  From the article:
  
  Te reo Māori and data sovereignty experts are raising another red flag about artificial intelligence – ChatGPT might be getting just a little too good at te reo.
  
  Because ChatGPT was good, Keegan said sooner or later the language itself could shift from a traditional reo to a ChatGPT version.
  
  The consequence? It might mean Māori lose sovereignty of the language.
  
  Te reo champion Sonny Ngatai … wants to see te reo Māori everywhere – from cooking, to the back of chocolate bars, and even ChatGPT.
  
  But he would like to see some boundaries.
  
  “Where I would put my flag up for data sovereignty is when it comes to our stories, or our narratives, or our tikanga, stuff like that,” he said.
  
  For these, he said protecting Māori intellectual property rights was important.
  
  This really is quite bizarre. Is there any other language in the world where a race of people are trying to claim “sovereignty” over that language, and wish to dictate how it’s used?
  
  In all honesty, however, it really doesn’t worry me as I have no intention of using the Maori language, ever. So if Maori wish to put rules and boundaries around its use, fine. If they wish to say that only certain people can use the language, and only in these circumstances if you are not Maori, good for them. It won’t affect me in the slightest.
  
  They may just end up shooting themselves in the foot however, if these people say, “we want to see and hear the Maori language being used EVERYWHERE!” – but then immediately follow it up by saying, “but you have to follow our rules as to when and how you can use it.” Yeah, good luck with getting the language to thrive like that …
  
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  June 14, 2023 9:04am
  - cmm
    
    I call bullshit that there even is a language called Te Reo Maori.
    
    When I was in hospital in 2020, there was a Maori language teacher there (had been teaching for many years). He had recently moved to Chch from somewhere on North Island. He said he couldn’t understand Chch Maori properly.
    
    So instead of heing thought of as a single language, Maori should maybe be thought of as a group of languages.
    
    This is similar to the language situation in South Africa which has 9 official African languages (11 in total with English and Afrikaans). There are some further languages like Pondo which are unofficial and are considered dialects, though are arguably sufficiently distinct from Xhosa and Zulu to be a stand alone language.
    
    I by no means know all those African languages in SA. Some are partially overlapping (like Zulu and Xhosa) and I understand those. Pondo is classified as a Xhosa dialect and I can communicated with Pondo people too. But the languages are different enough that you can get into trouble.
    
    I expect the same has happened with Maori as it has evolved over a few hundred years since it broke away from its roots.
    
    Stability suffers when a language does not have a history of being written down. Languages such as Maori are very fluid and I expect that Christchurch “Bro” of today is substantially different from 2 generations ago.
    
    It is all very well pushing for a common, one-size-fits-all Maori, but that can only happen at the cost of extinguishing local variants.
    
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    June 14, 2023 9:46am
    - Taieri
      
      Maori should maybe be thought of as a group of languages.
      ————-
      
      Dialects.
      
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      June 14, 2023 10:04am
      - cmm
        
        No, dialects are different to distinct languages.
        
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        June 14, 2023 11:02am
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      There are approx 3000 different LANGUAGES in the world and roughly 1/3rd are spoken in New Guinea!!!! In PNG the Official languages are English, Pidgin and Police Motu.
      
      In NZ there are only two official languages, Maori and NZ Sign Language. NOT English which is the language that nearly 100% of NZers speak as either their 1st or 2nd Language and only about 4% can even hold a conversation in Maori!!!
      
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      June 14, 2023 11:08am
      - Taieri
        
        The way things are going it will be easier to talk Braille soon…
        
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        June 14, 2023 11:16am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    The French are trying that. L’Academie Francaise which is the official body to ensure the purity of La Langue Francaise are fighting a rearguard action against Le Weekend, Le Supermarket, Le Maccas etc etc.
    
    Every language evolves. Look at English!!! I doubt there is any other language in the world that has borrowed so many foreign words. Bungalow, Pajamas, Rum, etc etc . It has more words in its vocabulary than any other language in the world. Mutton comes from Mouton, Beef from Boeuf, wine from vin etc etc etc.
    
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    June 14, 2023 11:13am
    - david
      
      I always thought that wine comes from grapes. sheeesh
      
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      June 14, 2023 1:24pm
- RoboRob
  
  RNZ focusing on the big issues again
  
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  June 14, 2023 9:06am
Maggie Pie

UK TRENDING…..3 PEOPLE STABBED TO DEATH

Police in Nottingham have arrested a 31 year old man and charged him with 3 counts on suspicion of murder.
No description of the alleged offender was available at this stage

– BBC News

However, an eyewitness described the assailant as being…. “a black man wearing black clothing and carrying a backpack”.

https://twitter.com/MeusliC/status/1649242119712960513
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June 14, 2023 8:36am
- RoboRob
  
  We (UK) need to ban knives immediately. Every month people are stabbed to death and the knife lobby argues that knives have legal purposes. We need a knife by back system, to buy back knives longer then 8inches and knife registry so the police can know who has the legal knives.
  
  We must not look at the mental state of the offenders or look at what might have caused them to commit the offence. We must not implement policy that would improve the mental health of our citizens or identify those that might commit future offences. Knives kill, not people.
  
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  June 14, 2023 9:14am
  - Observant Octagenarian
    
    Why don’t they start a “Knife Register”, and ask all the good people to register their knives in order to prevent knife crime.
    Apparently works in NZ for guns.
    
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    June 14, 2023 9:36am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Attacker being described as …..
    
    ‘West African migrant with a known history of violence’
    
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    June 14, 2023 9:41am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Vid of police arresting ‘alleged’ murderer….
    
    https://twitter.com/andrin199720/status/1668596109298786304
    
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    June 14, 2023 9:53am
greybeard

Sharon Murdoch still peddling her filth.
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June 14, 2023 8:40am
cmm

Labour is showing their toughness on crime:

* Cops that can’t arrest anyone…
* A “National Retail Investigation Support Unit ” that has about 8 cops (are they arrest cops or non-arrest cops)?

Flex those muscles Labour!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-association-boss-and-opposition-accuse-government-of-misleading-claims-over-its-1800-new-frontline-police/HSP5PU66HJGQ7N7F4Q6L3JZ6FQ/
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June 14, 2023 8:50am
- RoboRob
  
  Labour has, surprisingly, missed the easy solve with this one. Give all cops arrest powers (even if they will never use them). At the same time allow the police HR, admin staff, receptionists, phone staff, accountants and lawyers the right to arrest. Claim an additional 10,000 front line police with arrest powers.
  
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  June 14, 2023 9:17am
  - cmm
    
    I think the problem is that they are counting non-sworn officers as front-line staff.
    
    Technically that can be true, they are “front line”. For example, if you go to report an incident at the police station, the person taking your statement and typing it in to the computer is “front line” because they are interacting with the public. They are police staff, but they are not themselves necessarily trained police and would not be “bobbies on the beat” or arresting anyone.
    
    While it might be “technically true”, it is certainly misleading. The public expectation of “1800 new police” was that these would be sworn officers in blue driving fast, arresting scrotes and dealing with crime.
    
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    June 14, 2023 10:21am
    - mawm
      
      I could literally hear “they patrol the empty streets at night, in fast cars and on foot, these are men of…..” Only cmm will understand!
      
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      June 14, 2023 6:29pm
      - cmm
        
        Springbok radio Friday, 7.00 pm.
        
        That was when we got back from cubs meetings in the village hall. Dinner and squaddies!
        
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        June 14, 2023 8:24pm
Rusty

The smiling police commander in Opotiki has reassured locals and the media that everything is sweet in that town and is expecting 500+ gang members to behave themselves this week.

Even if no trouble happens– does that mean any future tangi with large gang gatherings will be acceptable in our towns and cities?
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June 14, 2023 8:55am
- Gravelroad
  
  Do you think there will be any increase in illegal drug dealing occurring in Opotiki this week?
  Do you think the Police will even bother to monitor illegal drug dealing – or just turn a blind eye in the interests of maintaining harmony for these very, very special people as they take over a town for their own purposes?
  
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  June 14, 2023 9:18am
kowtow

Watching how the authorities and te media pardy cover the Opotiki gang shenanigans is interesting.

A death , arsons , a town acting like it’s occupied by a violent enemy , road blocks into certain areas ( conducted by the gangs) and what should be of concern to the UN , the government and NGO’s, there are reports of Internally Displaced Persons , ( like Sudan , or Syria and Somalia).

But the local police say they are in control ( where’s George Orwell when you need him) and te media pardy are obsessing , again, about the Leader of the Oppositon.

Welcome to New Zeababwe.
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June 14, 2023 8:56am
- wreck1080
  
  Gangs rule in NZ, because of cuddles Coster and loopy labour.
  
  They were parading around Mt Maunganui the other day, cops watching them roll by on their illegal bikes.
  
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  June 14, 2023 9:39am
- cmm
  
  “Welcome to New Zeababwe.”
  
  Those scrotes wouldn’t try this in Real Zimbabwe because:
  * Zim cops crack heads.
  * If you end up in a Zim jail it isn’t a home away from home like an Aotearoan Gang Camp.
  
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  June 14, 2023 10:28am
- cas
  
  With all those extra police perhaps they might respond if someone in Opotiki reports a burglary. yeah nah.
  
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  June 14, 2023 11:16am
- Richard
  
  Just watched footage of them on a state highway using both lanes. Must be the highway closed by the New Zealand Transport Agency for the funeral procession. Unbelievable.
  
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  June 14, 2023 12:58pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The UK begins its Covid Pandemic inquiry:

The “potentially massive impact” of lockdowns on society was not thought through before the pandemic, the lead lawyer for the Covid inquiry has said.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-65888152
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June 14, 2023 9:11am
- cmm
  
  “But science…”
  
  These enquiries are snow jobs. They won’t achieve anything and certainly will not prevent future overreach.
  
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  June 14, 2023 10:29am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION…

What likelihood Rodney Hide might make a comeback to Parliament?

Asking for the girls at Tennis.
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June 14, 2023 9:18am
- krazykiwi
  
  The country needs people of Rodney’s caliber.
  
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  June 14, 2023 9:46am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Rodney had his office in Remuera.
    It felt like a more exciting place when he was out walking among us.
    
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    June 14, 2023 9:59am
    - Cassandra
      
      Rodney is a good guy. David is a good guy and a good – make that great – politician.
      
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      June 14, 2023 10:23am
- MCōs
  
  He’ll be 67 by years end.
  He probably doesn’t mind knocking out the odd fire brand article, but he’d be down the ACT pecking order these days.
  What’s in it for him?
  
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  June 14, 2023 11:16am
  - Taieri
    
    He’ll be 67 by years end
    ————–
    
    President Biden will be 81 soon.
    
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    June 14, 2023 11:18am
    - MCōs
      
      Biden is the king of the castle
      
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      June 14, 2023 3:06pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        I suggest his son is the dirty rascal (and also degenerate, lying, corrupt)
        
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        June 14, 2023 3:58pm
Nickc2

Since when has it been the UN’s responsibility to dictate how and who should be responsible for the management of digital mis/dis information?
The UN Sec Gen has strayed into minefields that I don’t believe are his responsibility.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/06/1137562
Will the UN be the Global Arbiter?
It’s very scary when considering all the UN’s fuckups to date.
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June 14, 2023 9:20am
- ClanMcleod
  
  UN, WEF and WHO. That’s one very deadly triumvirate.
  Of course our covid ‘leaders’ are donkey deep in one or all of them. Bloomfield, Ardern, Baker. Just the first three that come to mind.
  
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  June 14, 2023 10:20am
  - mawm
    
    The question is where do Luxon and Seymour stand.
    
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    June 14, 2023 6:33pm
wreck1080

So, are maori guardians of wildlife or not?

Maori were granted a fishing ban off the coast of Tauranga. But not for Maori of course as their fishing is ‘cultural’, just ban the whiteys.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/motiti-island-bay-of-plenty-mp-todd-muller-wants-clarity-on-impact-of-reef-fishing-ban/QWBTD3CXYBAD3N6PYQWXTZAODI/

But, in the Kermadecs, Maori are profiting from killing fish and suddenly they don’t give 2 figs about the environment. . .

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/penetaui-kleskovic-kermadec-reserve-is-no-sanctuary-from-obligations-to-maori/CJJGDF6M6BC6VLCQ35MUDSYZIE/
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June 14, 2023 9:38am
- Matt Long
  
  It’s been that way for a long time, there’s a ban on gathering toheroa except if you get a certificate from your local marae saying you’re gathering them for cultural activities like eating them.
  We have far more to worry about from invasive organisms though, like caulerpa that is liable to cover much of New Zealand’s norther coastline within 20 years.
  
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  June 14, 2023 10:15am
Dave

Reading Waka Kotahi’s explanation for bilingual signs @
https://www.nzta.govt.nz/about-us/consultations/he-tohu-huarahi-maori-bilingual-traffic-signs-consultation/consultation-materials-english/

I came across this gem:

One of the design principles for bilingual traffic signs is for te reo Māori to be presented in a culturally appropriate way to reflect the mana of the language.

Te Puni Kōkiri recommends that where te reo Māori and English text cannot be displayed as equal then te reo Māori should be more prominent. During the consultation for Kura School signs, Te Taura Whiri i te Reo Māori the Māori Language Commission stated that ‘….by affording the word ‘KURA’ prominence within the sign this recognises the value of Reo Māori…’

Given that te reo Māori is used less than English throughout Aotearoa New Zealand, Waka Kotahi is of the view that it needs to be promoted if it is to achieve equality with English in New Zealand.

So what exactly is the mana of a language which 95% of the population doesn’t speak?

How is this mana measured, and by whom?

What evidence does WK (or TPK) have that equality is achievable? (And for that matter, what do they mean by ‘equality’?)

By putting English below Māori, what message is being sent about the value of English?

I started reading the consultation document willing to be persuaded that bilingual signs were no big deal, but justifications such as this remind me that most of the people I know speak as their first language neither English nor Māori and, yes, Luxon is right – we are far too inward looking.
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June 14, 2023 9:40am
- Swifty
  
  “…. that it needs to be promoted if it is to achieve equality with English in New Zealand.”
  
  No, it’s going to be forced by the state and funded by us whether we like it or not.
  
  Our new overlords have decreed that we have no choice.
  
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  June 14, 2023 9:54am
- krazykiwi
  
  Luxon may well be ‘right’, but his influence on this category of cultural-Marxist madness is nil because he essentially supports it, just not the quantum of it.
  
  The mealy mouthed ‘far too inward looking’ proves my point. What he should have said is this: “There are many ways in which te reo can be encouraged. Road signs, which are a safety and information source are not one of them, and I will ensure that signs are not made confusing by the addition of a language that few can read”
  
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  June 14, 2023 9:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Putting English below Maori on signs etc sends the message of who is in control.
  There is a Coup happening you know.
  
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  June 14, 2023 10:19am
- graham
  
  One of the design principles for bilingual traffic signs is for te reo Māori to be presented in a culturally appropriate way to reflect the mana of the language.
  
  Te Puni Kōkiri recommends that where te reo Māori and English text cannot be displayed as equal then te reo Māori should be more prominent. During the consultation for Kura School signs, Te Taura Whiri i te Reo Māori the Māori Language Commission stated that ‘….by affording the word ‘KURA’ prominence within the sign this recognises the value of Reo Māori…’
  
  I’d not hear of “Te Puni Kōkiri”, so did a quick Google. Lo and behold, Te Puni Kōkiri is the Government’s principal policy advisor on Māori wellbeing and development. And they recommend that the Māori language should be given more prominence over English.
  
  What. A. Surprise.
  
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  June 14, 2023 11:41am
  - Skippytony
    
    Maori first and Maori last is the protocol I believe
    
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    June 14, 2023 12:15pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Are they really unable to see that if putting Maori first is necessary for them to perceive that Maori has mana, then presumably putting English first is necessary for non-Maori to perceive that the language they all speak has mana?
    (Google says mana is a Malay word meaning where, in case you are wondering).
    
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    June 14, 2023 1:49pm
mandk

@ Dave
More to the point, why does the NZTA think it is their business to promote the Māori language, to enable it to achieve equality with English in New Zealand?
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June 14, 2023 9:59am
- Matt Long
  
  I’m sure that’s on the list of fit and proper uses of road user’s levies somewhere, maybe under the list of Corrupt Uses?
  
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  June 14, 2023 10:18am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Once again they have been forced to, but it’s always at our expenses
  
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  June 14, 2023 11:52am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/amazing-ashburton/

Yes, things are really moving along now.
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June 14, 2023 10:06am
Jack5

More than 60,000 migrant workers under “Accredited Employer Work Visa” scheme and some are jobless!

These aren’t the highly educated, skilled type of migrant that intelligent nations are competing for.

Here’s an issue that could put Winston Peters back in Parliament – everyone else seems to be on board with low-skill immigration.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/491946/migrant-workers-pay-thousands-for-visas-only-to-be-left-without-jobs
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June 14, 2023 10:11am
cmm

Has anyone else found that government services are getting worse and worse?

Trying to deal with the government over the phone takes longer than ever. Just tried to find out something from Waka Kotahi/NZ Transport and the expected waiting time is 15 to 20 minutes!

They’ve hired more people, the fees have increased, but the response time is getting worse!
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June 14, 2023 10:59am
- Ghost
  
  I don’t bother calling any company, etc, either ask them on Facebook or email, the wait time for businesses is terrible on phone as well.
  
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  June 14, 2023 11:02am
- Blog-aholic
  
  The IRD are usually 15 working days…..
  
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  June 14, 2023 11:05am
- Inandout
  
  IRD is fairly easy to contact, but generally everything can be done online. Because paying tax involves legal matters there is no Maori on Tax and GST pages.
  
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  June 14, 2023 11:11am
- Skippytony
  
  NZ super. Called several times over a number of days.
  
  Shortest ever wait time was 27 minutes. Longest was 90 something.
  
  To be fair, when I finally got to actual people, they were empathetic, responsive and friendly
  
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  June 14, 2023 12:17pm
Sparrow

How is this for wasting our money. A small business lost part of its roof during the recent storms. Applied for money to repair. recieved just enough to cover repairs. All fine and dandy. Then out of the blue they have recieved another payment considerably more than the original payment. It was not asked for just sent to them. Naturally they have not rejected it. How many times is this happening throughout NZ. My guess is that there is a pot of money for these weather events and the Ministry has been told to use it all. No thought of returning it to the government no our coffers. We are living in la la land.
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June 14, 2023 11:08am
- Ghost
  
  Huh? No insurance?
  
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  June 14, 2023 11:14am
Swifty

It escapes me why we allow anyone but citizens to vote, otherwise what is the point of citizenship?

https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/132308341/how-the-review-of-our-electoral-laws-may-deprive-migrants-of-the-right-to-vote

You want to vote? Become a citizen and give up the citizenship of where you came from.
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June 14, 2023 11:11am
- Nickc2
  
  How about that to become a New Zealand citizen, the applicant must:
  a. Resided in NZ for at least five years,
  b. Paid tax in NZ for at least four of the five years,
  c. Claimed no benefits in NZ for at least five years,
  d. Have no criminal laid against for at least five years, and
  e. Sworn an oath of allegiance to NZ on gaining citizenship.
  I don’t see being a dual citizen as a problem so long as the other country(s) grant(s) equal rights to NZ citizens.
  
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  June 14, 2023 11:41am
  - Ghost
    
    Takes 5 years after applying to become a citizen and you have to be in nz for a certain amount of time each year
    
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    June 14, 2023 11:51am
  - cmm
    
    Further to what Ghost said, you’re pretty much asking for the status quo.
    I became an NZ citizen (as did my wife and one kid):
    a) Yup, resided here for 5 years
    b) Paying tax is not a requirement, but it is more or less a byproduct of the requirements for getting PR (being employable etc).
    c) Ditto. See (b).
    d) Getting PR requires police checks, Getting citizenship requires further police checks.
    e) Part of the citizenship ceremony.
    
    Excluding dual citizenship is problematic for some. For example, Swiss people cannot get rid of their Swiss citizenship (because that was a loophole used to escape national service).
    
    You cannot renew PR if you do not actually live in NZ. To get, and keep, PR you have to genuinely live in NZ.
    
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    June 14, 2023 3:49pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

If Trump is Elected POTUS next year, he has the Biden Family in the crosshairs.
Note, it is not just Joe, it is about 12 relatives and associates who have been in the laundering business. The only thing that will stop Trump now is assassination. There are many swamp creatures who could do this.

https://valiantnews.com/2023/06/vengeance-trump-to-appoint-real-special-prosecutor-for-entire-biden-crime-family-if-reelected/
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June 14, 2023 11:11am
- cmm
  
  Trump cannot prosecute anyone himself.
  He can direct the swamp to do it though.
  But the swamp takes care of itself first.
  So he won’t be able to do anything.
  
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  June 14, 2023 11:39am
  - mawm
    
    He can appoint an Attorney General who can. His problem last time was that most of his appointments were recommended by GOP swamp ‘critters’.
    
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    June 14, 2023 6:39pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I read about that somewhere else. Trump says ‘a good, decent Attorney General’
      
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      June 15, 2023 8:19am
- virtualmark
  
  Steve,
  
  Have you ever heard of *any* proof of these Biden allegations?
  
  Here’s a hint: Republicans control the House, and can impeach Biden any time they want. So why haven’t they impeached him?
  
  Another hint: Bill Barr, Trump’s AG, had the DoJ and FBI investigate these allegations and “proof” for 8 months in 2020, and their conclusion was it was made-up Russian nonsense and they declined to press any charges.
  
  Maybe, just maybe, it’s all made up to distract the gullible from Trump’s problems? Maybe, just maybe, there’s no there there.
  
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  June 14, 2023 3:05pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Why not indict Biden 3 months before the Election, more clout, much more.
    Timing is everything VM.
    Your TDS is hanging out from underneath your pettycoat.
    
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    June 15, 2023 8:22am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Future Americans from Generation Z.
Seems education is a waste of time.

https://spreely.video/v/1143472631/HUMILIATING–Gen-Z-Can-t-Answer-the-Most-Basic-Questions
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June 14, 2023 11:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  3 x 3 x 3 ?
  
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  June 14, 2023 11:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Warning. This may turn your brain into Swiss Cheese.
  
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  June 14, 2023 11:31am
- cmm
  
  These people have the same value vote as anyone else.
  
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  June 14, 2023 11:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Sad isn’t it?
    
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    June 15, 2023 8:23am
- Blog-aholic
  
  I have seen this guy alot and my god these people are barely able to function. Only two things can be playing here. Either the education they are getting literally negates common or general knowledge or they are actually really, really sub normal.
  
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  June 14, 2023 12:10pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They came out of kindergarten and fell in love with the Democrats. End story.
    
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    June 15, 2023 8:25am
cmm

Stumbling around on the internet I came across this Ministry of Justice article. It makes a case for Maori having a different concept of justice to the bloody foreigners.

Apparently, for a thousand years Maori had developed “well established social structures” with rules and “conventions” around governance etc.

I suspect it would really be fairer to characterise it under one overarching principle: might is right. If I want something, and I have muscle and weaponry, then it is mine.

The concepts of law and order and property rights are the underpinnings of a thriving economy . That is why countries (and cultures) that lack these fail.

Why build anything of value if the local war lord is just going to take it away from you if he wants it?

If we want success in NZ then we cannot have a split justice system. We need one justice system for everyone. And it needs to be the justice system that works better. Isn’t by any means perfect, but is superior.

https://chiefvictimsadvisor.justice.govt.nz/rights-and-system/cultural-concepts-of-justice/
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June 14, 2023 11:26am
- Swifty
  
  No, let’s chuck out something that works, and replace it with something that sounds good. In theory. Which might work. Possibly. But probably won’t.
  
  Oh hell even I’m confused now!
  
  Let’s just move to this new thing because there’s more money and power in that for me than the current thing!
  
  Love, Willie.
  
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  June 14, 2023 12:14pm
- kowtow
  
  It is quite clear that in many areas of what Orange Man Bad would call ‘the Swamp’, the so called and undefined principles of the treaty of W now trump the long held and hard fought for principles of democracy.
  
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  June 14, 2023 12:29pm
Maggie Pie

When you hear the striking teachers calling into ZB to voice their demands over staffing and other conditions that need to be met to allow them to concentrate on teaching and learning…..you realise just how broken our Education has become and why a multitude of kids standards are now in the gutter.

It comes as no surprise to some of us of course!
Especially when you realise our then Minister-of-Education Chris Hipkins employed the nasty trans activist Sheneen Lal as his ‘Advisor’ for a period of 3 years 🙁

https://twitter.com/ocarolant/status/1668102474333589505

SHEESH!!
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June 14, 2023 11:28am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Great pals eh? A cosy well paid gig with perks like media clearance to say any old sh*t.
  Prob for him/them is NZer’s don’t buy any of the bullsh*t.
  
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  June 14, 2023 5:00pm
70andstilllearning

Random impertinent question – has the new Minister of Statistic’s picked up the Tinetti syndrome? Current Account & Food Price Index data ( May 2023 ) due for release 10:45 a.m today – Current Account yep – bit better than expected – FPI mia ???? – maybe some more bad news the government doesn’t want us to know about so delayed!!!
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June 14, 2023 11:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Probably get an announcement about an announcement, maybe soon.
  
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  June 14, 2023 11:34am
Gravelroad

Re cost of living crisis:
Last evening on TV1 Seven Sharp there was an item about passport issues.
Apparently thousands of kiwis are currently planning holiday trips overseas to flee the cold winter weather.
This has caused increased pressure to obtain or renew passports.
A spokesperson for Internal Affairs, Maria Robertson, said that airlines are reporting very high demand for tickets and, at the passport issuing level, IA is receiving “40,000 to 50:000 passport applications” per month.
Even given that many passports were not renewed during the infamous lock down periods, this seems to indicate that people still have money to spend on overseas holidays.
The government is constantly claiming how poor we are and justifying huge expenditure on personal hand outs, welfare and subsidies to alleviate the “cost of living crisis”.
Perhaps time to re-direct some of that funding on to health and education where it is really needed.
Not a lot of potholes going to be filled in from the beach in Hawaii.
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June 14, 2023 11:44am
- fernglas
  
  Most of those people are getting passports so they can bugger off to Australia. It would be interesting to know how many of the tickets are one way.
  
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  June 14, 2023 4:23pm
- Ra Henare
  
  This passport holder got a newy to depart NZ until some sensible Government and policies are in place.
  
  Thank goodness for 10 year passports
  
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  June 14, 2023 9:31pm
Bridgenag

Critically Thinking about Wind and Solar
Are there any scientifically proven NET benefits from either?

JOHN DROZ JR.J
Wind and solar energy are NOT being promoted for any NET BENEFITS to ratepayers, taxpayers, citizens, businesses, the environment, or the climate!
The proof of that is that there are NO scientifically-proven wind or solar energy NET BENEFITS to ratepayers, taxpayers, citizens, businesses, the environment, or the climate!

https://open.substack.com/pub/criticallythinking/p/critically-thinking-about-wind-and?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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June 14, 2023 12:05pm
- virtualmark
  
  Bridgenag,
  
  From work in the electricity generation world … wind and solar are now the cheapest forms of generation.
  
  (1) When was the last coal-fired station built in NZ? We’ll not see another one of those.
  (2) When was the last hydro-electric station built in NZ? I’ll wager Clyde is the last serious one we’ll see.
  (3) When was the last gas fuelled station built in NZ? I’ll wager we’ve seen the last of them too.
  
  Wind and solar have displaced those other types of generation … because they’re cheaper to build/operate. And cheaper = a net benefit to ratepayers, taxpayers, citizens and businesses. They’re also cleaner = net benefit to the environment and the climate (noting dirtier is now a true financial cost, so it’s also a part of the cheaper equation).
  
  And yes, wind/solar **plus storage** is still cheaper than thermal or hydro.
  
  We *may* see a few more geothermal plants built here yet, but even that’s going to be increasingly difficult as the wholesale price path trends down. What we will probably see in the future is off-shore wind displacing on-shore wind.
  
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  June 14, 2023 3:12pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    “From work in the electricity generation world … wind and solar are now the cheapest forms of generation.”
    
    Nonsense. The cost of each mwh is significantly higher over the asset life of wind and solar generation infrastructure, even before factoring in the need for coal/gas/nuclear fallback.
    
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    June 14, 2023 3:51pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Well that’ll be a surprise to my client, who’s currently weighing up a large electricity generation project. The analysis considers all the capex, opex and disposal questions, and the reality is that wind/solar plus storage is the cheapest option going forward.
      
      So let me repeat the practical common sense questions … when did you last see any significant generation plant built in NZ that wasn’t geothermal or wind? Why do you think that is? Do you think the people making these big investment decisions are wing nut greens, or just rational capitalists?
      
      I will wager that we will never see another large thermal plant built here. And very likely not another big hydro dam either.
      
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      June 14, 2023 8:43pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        … plus storage…
        
        What’s the storage?
        
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        June 14, 2023 9:17pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        One hopes the calculation was for 24/7 power generation. (ie cheapest)
        Or is it the cheapest mid day/windy day generated cost.
        
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        June 14, 2023 9:33pm
      - virtualmark
        
        In practical terms storage can be water in a dam (*) or a chemical battery.
        
        (* water that doesn’t need to be dispatched because the wind/solar is generating, and so that water can be stored for a later time)
        
        Fossil fuels like coal & gas combine storage & energy in the one product. So do dams, basically. But with wind/solar the storage is a separate discrete product that’s typically at a different site.
        
        And yes, the analysis is based on detailed wind/sunlight models, and detailed price paths.
        
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        June 14, 2023 11:26pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Further, World’s largest offshore wind farm ‘unprofitable’, government-funded report confirms. Perhaps it could become ‘profitable’ with a few more government subsidies.
    
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    June 14, 2023 3:56pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      I see the Toxic waste issue for Wind and Solar is blithely ignored in that ignorant diatribe too
      Which completely negates any environmental benefit
      Just dumb
      
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      June 14, 2023 4:29pm
lifesgood

Can anyone explain why languages are called French, English, Spanish, Italian, Polish etc, etc but Maori is called Te Reo. What even does Te Reo mean and if it means “the language” as I’ve been led to believe, how bloody arrogant.
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June 14, 2023 12:08pm
- Ghost
  
  Castilian is the official language of Spain different areas of Spain have their own dialect
  
  China has several as well, so not correct to say Maori are the only that have a different word for their language
  
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  June 14, 2023 12:21pm
  - EpsomHB
    
    Good point. And at the risk of getting a few down votes, people who speak Maori actually normally say Te reo Maori, they don’t just say Te reo.
    
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    June 14, 2023 2:02pm
    - Sparrow
      
      Hi Have spoken to a very good Mãori friend who is a fluent speaker. They have heard many variations so no right or wrong way. They call themselves a Te reo speaker, or a speaker of Te reo. No mention of Mãori. This probably muddy the waters more.
      
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      June 14, 2023 6:49pm
  - cmm
    
    One point though is that there is not really one language called Maori. There are a group of Maori languages, though they are maybe similar enough.
    
    China and India have many languages – many of which are completely incomprehensible to eachother.
    
    A Chinese couple I know (who met at school in NZ) cannot communicate properly in either of their mother tongues. They can speak to eachother in English or Mandarin. Their son though can speak all the languages fluently.
    
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    June 14, 2023 4:06pm
- cmm
  
  This is pretty common and is the last thing I would lose sleep over.
  
  Te Reo means “the language”. It is supposed to be used in the context of “Te Reo Maori” (ie. the language of the Maori) or Te Reo Pahkiha (aka English) as distinct from the people Maori.
  
  Exactly the same exists in Xhosa and Zulu.
  isiZulu = the language of the Zulu
  amaZulu = Zulu people (generally the nation/tribe/football team rather than just a gaggle of Zulu people)
  
  Sometimes people writing in English will use the words isiZulu and amaZulu to draw the distinction between Zulu (the language) and Zulu (the people).
  
  Bigger fish to fry than this mate!
  
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  June 14, 2023 4:01pm
- Sir Henry Morgan
  
  I don’t call it “Te Reo” when speaking English. It seems needlessly confusing and slightly cliquey – a sort of “in group” term that excludes those who lack certain knowledge. Presumably “Te Reo” is the appropriate term when speaking Maori, but I don’t speak Maori.
  
  There are similar examples from other places. For example, in Indonesia ‘insiders’ (e.g. Indonesian locals or foreign residents) when speaking English tend to call the Indonesian language “Bahasa” (literally just ‘language’). The full term would be “Bahasa Indonesia”, but in practice that gets shortened to “Bahasa”. Foreign languages get specified in full – e.g. “Bahasa Inggris”. To be honest I find this habit a bit cringy, especially coming from foreigners.
  
  But most languages do not do this. I do not see why English suddenly has to have Maori shoehorned into it. Of course if I ever became fluent in Maori I might change my own speech habits. By fluent in Maori I mean being able to go to make small talk with the local dairy owner, not simply stand up and plough drearily through the usual ceremonial welcomes – New Zealand’s version of the Latin Mass.
  
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  June 15, 2023 8:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

June 14th.
Happy Birthday Donald J. Trump. 77 today.
It is really tomorrow American time. June 14th.
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June 14, 2023 12:09pm
Swifty

That’s right Gareth!

https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300904355/economys-too-important-to-leave-to-economists

And while we’re at it:

Let’s have all brain surgery performed by car mechanics. All building engineering carried out by midwives. Midwifery performed by our rubbish men. Our defence force controlled by pre-schoolers and our met service run by patients at the Mason Clinic.

Yep, I’m just sorry I didn’t think of it myself.

FFS.
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June 14, 2023 1:01pm
- Inandout
  
  Swifty, that pic of Gareth is spooky.
  
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  June 14, 2023 2:05pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  The problem looking for a solution. Gareth, you are one of the problems. People like you, with damn all experience trying to run the country. It is people like you and your mates in the Greens and Labour who have these fanciful ideas and think they will succeed.
  
  Capitalism isn’t perfect but it has pulled millions up from poverty. Chucking money at people doesn’t work. Socialism in all its forms has been tried and failed.
  
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  June 14, 2023 2:21pm
- cmm
  
  OK, but one of the problems is that many economists are theoretical people that live in a made up theoretical world that is unlike the real world.
  
  A person who has run a business (maybe crashed a few in learning) probably has a better grip on real world economics than many, if not most, economists.
  
  But then the same is true for most areas. Take for example medicine. A GP has to have a rudimentary understanding of hundreds or thousands of complains and diseases. They will master some of those and never master others. That’s what specialists are for. The average layman is likely to get a better understanding of less common diseases that they have than their GPs.
  
  For example. I have Atrial Fibrillation. First time I went into the hospital I didn’t know what was going on, so I accepted what the medics were doing. Next time around, I had learned about all the funny little quirks of Afib and I was (gently and politely) pointing out errors that the medical staff were making.
  
  Well the same applies for economists (or just about every profession). I’m a software engineer dealing with very specific types of software. I’d never trust a general purpose software engineer (eg. a website designer) anywhere near what I do. And the reverse applies too – just because I am a software engineer with decades of experience doesn’t mean I should be trying to fix up people’s websites.
  
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  June 14, 2023 4:16pm
Maggie Pie

At least with our Teachers on a rolling strike, a lot of schools will have avoided the horror of ‘Pride-Week’ being foisted upon innocent kids.

Not so in the City-of-Lyon, where the council has provided a cultural grant for….. “An ecosexual naked garden performance in front of children”

https://twitter.com/F_Desouche/status/1668563119180742657
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June 14, 2023 1:10pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  And in case anyone asks…. “how do you define a woman?”
  
  https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1668542573223264257
  
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  June 14, 2023 2:25pm
- kowtow
  
  Gorse , thistles and nettles would put a stop to that foreign silliness.
  
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  June 14, 2023 4:39pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I usually squish slimy things slithering through my greenery.
  
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  June 14, 2023 5:19pm
- Ghost
  
  Reminds me of a new British tv show
  
  https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/uk-television-series-naked-education-which-shows-adults-strip-nude-in-front-of-children-sparks-hundreds-of-complaints/news-story/cd94f673af697258504162575a18e8c9
  
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  June 14, 2023 5:25pm
Chuck Bird

I heard some one say James Shaw would be at Field Days. I do not see it happening but has anyone heard anything?
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June 14, 2023 3:01pm
- cmm
  
  Reminder: there’s an egg shortage!
  
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  June 14, 2023 4:17pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/132318823/pair-allegedly-defrauded-oranga-tamariki-of-over-21-million
I am not surprised by anything in this article.
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June 14, 2023 3:03pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Chicken feed compared to what the Horrid is reporting in relation to the $3b advanced by the Provincial-Growth-Fund. LOL!!
  
  (Paywalled)
  
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  June 14, 2023 4:05pm
Maggie Pie

Just heard HDPA accuse Barry of “going soft”.

😀 😀 😀
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June 14, 2023 4:54pm
Maggie Pie

“Hanging out windows, sitting on roofs, barking and driving on the wrong side of the road”

– 1ZB News

https://twitter.com/DavisAndrew88/status/1668853072553205761

Honestly, how old are these morons….and who’s finanancing their lifestyle?
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June 14, 2023 5:39pm
- Ghost
  
  Awww, poor guy, too fat to fit in the car.
  
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  June 14, 2023 5:42pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  who’s finanancing their lifestyle?
  
  Me and thee,
  
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  June 14, 2023 6:06pm
Suze Wainwright

Not belittling or making light of it, but might the closure of a chain of popular hairstylists have an actual impact on Auckland’s Chardonnay sipping, Labour/Green leaning, beautiful set?
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June 14, 2023 5:49pm
Maggie Pie

“Gangs contribute nothing to society”

– PM Chris Hipkins (14 June 2023)

So why did he agree to contribute $3 mill of our money to them then?

F–ING HYPOCRITE!!
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June 14, 2023 6:52pm
Swifty

I’ve just stumbled across our old KB friend Dime on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/dime4justice

Worth a look, frequently funny and on target.
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June 14, 2023 6:58pm
Maggie Pie

O.M.G. we love this girl….. 😀

“Police reduced to proviving traffic-control for the Mongrel Mob”

– HDPA (Watch vid)

https://twitter.com/NewstalkZB/status/1668875923222040576
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June 14, 2023 7:11pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  “Police reduced to providing traffic-control for the Mongrel Mob”
  
  I saw the same here in Kaiti/ Gisborne a couple of weeks ago.
  
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  June 14, 2023 7:20pm
  - kowtow
    
    And Dunedin.
    
    ‘Members of the Mongrel Mob led a funeral procession from St Clair around Dunedin city yesterday.About 40 vehicles, including at least one with its registration number taped over, were involved.’
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/paying-their-respects
    
    The footage shows police stopping traffic to facilitate the gang parade / show of power.
    
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    June 14, 2023 7:50pm
- Ghost
  
  Mongrel mob are nothing compared to this Gang.
  
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  June 14, 2023 7:36pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    A+ Ghost.
    
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    June 15, 2023 8:31am
Jack5

With Radio NZ in a twist about alleged pro-Russian doctoring of its coverage of the Russia-Ukraine war, a historian’s video just posted on Youtube is pertinent.

The British military historian, Mark Felton, tells of 8,000 veterans of an SS Division of Ukrainians secretly settled in Britain after World War 2.

What Felton doesn’t go into is the pre-World War 2 “Holodomor”, Stalin’s starvation of rural regions in 1932 and 1933 that led to five million deaths, chiefly in Ukraine but also in Russia. Ukraine was itching for independence when Germany invaded the Soviet Union. A Ukrainian SS division was formed, but Felton says a Ukrainian nationalist stipulation was that it not fight against the Western allies.

The Ukrainians re-settled in Britain and later, Canada, escaped the fate of tens of thousands of German-allied Cossacks who were handed over by the Western allies to the Soviet Union after the war. Most were summarily executed or sent to the Gulag. Many of the Cossacks and their families had been held in British prisoner camps in Italy

Felton gained his PhD at the University of Essex, and lectured there in history before spending nearly a decade teaching in Shanghai, latterly at Fudan University. He launched his YouTube history videos in 2017.

Felton on resettlement of Ukrainian veterans of the SS:

https://youtu.be/UB_Gs-0dhOo
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June 14, 2023 7:34pm
Maggie Pie

Only just noticed tonite when I was standing really close to the fire …..

Hilary Barry has yuge hands 🙁

Just saying.
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June 14, 2023 7:46pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, she is available for hire.
  https://www.celebrityspeakers.co.nz/speakers/hilary-barry
  
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  June 14, 2023 8:11pm
  - Jack5
    
    Hilary Barry’s web site lists this recommendation – from the Society of Accountants:
    
    “Hilary was a delight, she worked with our audience to perfection. Her pronunciation and annunciation were spot on, she was interesting and amusing. Hilary was great company and did not object to her fans coming up to say hello. She helped us make up some lost time (due to a later than planned start), she really made the night feel as if it was about us – not about her…..she was gracious enough to let the awards have the starring role. Her pre event contact was also spot on – would highly recommend her and would not hesitate to use her again!”
    
    Is Hilary a lion tamer? –
    
    https://youtu.be/LqQlCOmXuHM
    
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