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NeverMindTheBollocks

Apropos of the Green’s 45% income tax policy, I wonder if they have thought through the consequences. With their MPs being levied 10% of salary for Party purposes, the Party finances will take quite a hit.
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June 12, 2023 8:01am
- RoboRob
  
  Lol. You are assuming that the Greens expect this policy to be enacted and that its not just virtue signalling.
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:52am
  - Simon
    
    “Lol. You are assuming that the Greens expect this policy to be enacted and that its not just virtue signalling.”
    
    Lol – you dont think NZ is run along redistributionist lines taking from the productive and giving to the feckless. These fake govt.nz pukes build there entire lives around it. UBI and tax the middle class is pure redistributionist and a core govt.nz value. That is why National are struggling with it.
    
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    June 12, 2023 9:37am
    - kisekiman
      
      We already have UBI. WFF is UBI in drag.
      
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      June 12, 2023 11:33pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  They might need to up their UBI offering a bit – only $385/week seems a bit stingy.
  
  I’m sure they’ll oblige
  
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  June 12, 2023 9:10am
  - RoboRob
    
    Thats the biggest issue with this ‘thing’ If it came in you would see the $ per week go up each year, the high tax bracket never go up and the tax % at the top and CGT would slowly drift up.
    
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    June 12, 2023 9:35am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      A simple plan
      
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      June 12, 2023 9:40am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    UBI???? NZ isn’t Norway. There is no pipeline of abundant cash from oil/gas, iron ore, uranium, lithium etc etc. NZ doesn’t want to leverage it’s natural advantages (abundant water and abundant hydro/geothermal resources for cheap power). Sooo, no UBI for you!!!
    
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    June 12, 2023 4:10pm
    - alphabeatrium
      
      We do have pretty abundant oil and gas, but the vast majority remains unexplored. https://www.mbie.govt.nz/assets/77e0694e33/oil-an-introduction-for-new-zealanders.pdf
      
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      June 13, 2023 11:51pm
- Tricati
  
  A very good article by Ian Taylor, addressed to Chole Swarbrick.
  She needs to be challenged on this publicly and see if is can give a coherent answer, other than an Ardern inspired ‘word soup’ response.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/opinion-sir-ian-taylor-an-open-letter-to-chloe-swarbrick-on-wealth-tax/ODLKEE7T7BDYRL23HSJ3FE6U4Y/
  
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  June 12, 2023 9:20am
  - RoboRob
    
    Lol and open letter behind a pay wall. Thats effective.
    
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    June 12, 2023 9:35am
    - Liberty
      
      Technology is your Friend 🙂
      
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      June 12, 2023 10:40am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    aotearoa must resurrect Nambassa Festivals – Let’s do this!
    
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    June 12, 2023 9:41am
  - Drone
    
    Interesting article @Tricati but the message will fall on deaf ears, Green party pollies are not rational.
    
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    June 12, 2023 9:57am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Why is the greens wealth tax and their economic misinformation published for all to see, but the other side of the debate is behind a paywall.
    
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    June 12, 2023 10:32am
- Matt Long
  
  That’s rather easy, you just lift MPs’ pay to compensate and fund political parties of the right persuasion with taxpayer’s money.
  
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  June 12, 2023 9:24am
- rouppe
  
  The real consequence is that all the extra tax money will be wasted because it won’t be spent on helping people, it will be spent on cycle ways
  
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  June 12, 2023 10:01am
- KH
  
  The Greens have cherry picked that survey on high net worth individuals. Apparently it included the titbit that on average they paid $2.5 million tax each. The Greens left that bit out.
  I think the those high net worth are paying well. They are paying their way. If you have a minimum income, as the Greens propose why not a maximum tax for individuals.
  So if you pay in say $2.5 million in the year, it’s enough, and you don’t even have to do a tax return. Done.
  Even the Greens will think that fair.
  
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  June 12, 2023 10:11am
- NothingLeft
  
  It’s good for Nat/Act – as NZers will realise a vote for Labour gets you punishing higher taxes with Greens.
  
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  June 12, 2023 11:05am
  - Bullion
    
    actually, people earning under 125k will pay less tax on their income under the Green’s proposal than they currently do now. The income tax changes from the Greens will see a lot of people paying less income tax than National’s income tax proposed changes.
    
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    June 12, 2023 1:01pm
    - Hard Cheese
      
      Barely. Someone on $120,000 will pay $30,250 in income tax under the current rates, $29,150 under the Greens proposal, and $29,477 under National’s figures released in 2022. Presumably National’s thresholds would be even higher now, being indexed to inflation.
      
      So even on last years inflation figures, someone on $120K would only be better off by $6.28 a week under the Greens than National.
      
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      June 12, 2023 2:13pm
Grunter

Another very good discussion by The Duran on the escalating situation in Europe. Again, you will not hear this open discussion in the lying MSM. These guys have been closely following the NATO v Russia war for some time and have proven to be pretty accurate in their predictions. They have a good handle on the big picture as well as the latest developments on the battlefield.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifP1HK-hWV4

This post is particularly bleak however. Their assessment is that the escalation is now on a path to WWIII. They discuss possible off ramps, but none of them seem plausible.

I’m keen to read others views on how does this cluster realistically de-escalate? To say “Russia should just withdraw” is La-la Land thinking, that’s never going to happen. To say “NATO should just smash Russia” is the pathway to WWIII
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June 12, 2023 8:01am
- coge
  
  The best solution is don’t send your children off to war.
  
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  June 12, 2023 9:11am
- Rusty
  
  @Grunter,
  
  The best I can follow with the Russia/Ukraine war is Russia takes a city or town commits atrocities and eco-terrorism then the Ukraine army counter attacks and takes it back.
  
  This seems to be the theme with media covering since the war started.
  
  Also do many know what the Russian army even looks like — what uniforms they wear?
  
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  June 12, 2023 9:15am
- emmess
  
  Why shouldn’t Russia withdraw?
  
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  June 12, 2023 9:28am
  - Grunter
    
    Maybe they should, but they won’t as they believe having NATO in Ukraine is an existential threat to Russia. And some in the west keep saying “we must destroy Russia” so you can see why Russia thinks this way.
    
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    June 12, 2023 9:44am
    - Ehlana
      
      Grunter, can you provide a link to these people in the West who keep saying we must destroy Russia? I’ve lived in the West my whole life and never heard anyone say that, so I’m curious as to who these people are.
      
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      June 12, 2023 11:14am
      - Grunter
        
        Blinken, Nuland, Biden, Boris the clown, almost any of the EU elites…..
        
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        June 12, 2023 12:23pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Thats quite a few. Should be easy to provide links showing them saying ” we must destroy Russia” then…
        (oh and agree they are all clowns)
        
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        June 12, 2023 12:31pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      NATO wasnt in Ukraine before Russia invaded.
      It still isnt.
      When are you guys going to realise Putin was always going to invade because he clings to the Russian doctrine of having Countries it controls as security barriers.
      He has other Countries on the invade list too.
      Including Poland- which wont happen now given the huge increase in the military there.
      Putin is crazy paranoid as the West really couldn’t be bothered with invading Russia.
      Plenty of oil and gas elsewhere and there is better Software too. All their talented young people have gone to Europe.
      The sad fact is that Russia’s military has been exposed as corrupt, under trained and poorly equipped.
      I’m picking this will grind down to a ‘draw’ with Russia probably keeping their land bridge.
      If Zelensky wants to end this, he should offer water supplies to Crimea and mark up a Map and start talking- maybe he will after they see how their Counter offensive goes.
      
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      June 12, 2023 11:45am
      - Grunter
        
        “NATO isn’t in Ukraine….” Really? And what you and I believe doesn’t matter, it’s what Russia believes. Ukraine is obviously using NATO weapons, systems, training. But of course none of that needs NATO people. Really???
        
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        June 12, 2023 12:52pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Show me evidence of NATO troops on the ground.
        You could do that while you show Blinken Nuland et al saying “we must destroy Russia”
        Frankly this is more a Proxy War for the US to bleed Russia than NATO.
        NATO is hardly a huge war machine without the US.
        The German armed forces are a farce.
        You also seem to forget that before the invasion that NATO was making it quite clear Ukraine would not qualify for NATO (corrupt and insecure borders)
        lol
        
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        June 12, 2023 1:24pm
    - Burtland
      
      Russian paranoia is destroying itself – this is what happens when you have a fool running the place and they believe their own propaganda. If they withdrew, the war would end the next day. Russia is a basket case.
      
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      June 12, 2023 12:50pm
  - rouppe
    
    It’s not a matter of should vs shouldn’t, it’s will vs won’t
    
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    June 12, 2023 10:02am
- paulscott
  
  I stopped watching the Duran when repeating facts about the third world war, drew sneers and venom from the TV vision class. I thought, well maybe Mercouris being Russian is partisan… Now,all their conspiracy theories have turned into conspiracy facts >>as these things are prone to do if you stop watching NZ television.
  
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  June 13, 2023 12:09am
Exclamation Mark

I can’t help but wonder what Nicky Hagar is working on at the moment…
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June 12, 2023 8:02am
- Burtland
  
  polishing his gong and awaiting new instructions
  
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  June 12, 2023 9:48am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Silenced with a knighthood.
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:09pm
krazykiwi

The half-life of conspiracy theories continues to shrink, to wit: COVID-19 is a Bioweapon After All, The Times Explains

The Sunday Times has reviewed hundreds of documents, including previously confidential reports, internal memos, scientific papers and email correspondence that has been obtained through sources or by freedom of information campaigners in the three years since the pandemic started. We also interviewed the US State Department investigators — including experts on China, emerging pandemic threats, and biowarfare — who conducted the first significant US inquiry into the origins of the Covid-19 outbreak.
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Shortly afterwards, the trust was rebranded as the EcoHealth Alliance and Daszak assumed the role of president. The Chinese collaborators who helped put him on the map were also rewarded: $1 million of the Predict grant was redirected to the Wuhan institute.
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The truly cutting-edge experiments were being done in the US by the veteran virologist Ralph Baric at the University of North Carolina. He used a technique to fuse together different pathogens by mixing their genes. To test the effect of these lab-created mutant viruses on people, he created “humanised” mice by injecting them with genes that allowed them to develop lungs and vascular systems similar to ours.

Remember when anyone questioning the official bat or wet market origins of SARS-CoV-2 were branded nutters, disinformation spreaders? Yeah, I do.
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June 12, 2023 8:06am
- cmm
  
  The use of the conspiracy theory label is a great way to shut down any discussion. By conflating reasonable arguments with ridiculous arguments they do a great job of shutting down any arguments.
  
  There are really two dimensions to the lab leak stuff:
  
  1) How did it get into the population?
  * From the wet market
  * Lab leak/accident
  * Deliberate release
  
  2) Was it a natural virus?
  * Completely natural from bats etc. Nothing to do with the lab.
  * Being researched on in the lab.
  * Being modified in the lab through selective breeding.
  * Artificially created.
  
  On the release front, only one makes sense: that it was accidentally released in a lab leak. For example, a cleaner stole dead lab animals for sale in the wet market or someone checked the wrong test tube down the drain.
  
  There are tens of thousands of wet markets in China. Only one of them is within a few hundred metres of a virus research lab. It is beyond ridiculous to think this was just a coincidence.
  
  It also wasn’t a deliberate release for at least two reasons: You would release it far away from any virus lab to avoid suspicion (unless you wanted to create suspicion I suppose) and you’d use a more infectious virus. The SarsCov2 was far from the most infectious virus we have encountered.
  
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  June 12, 2023 9:06am
  - Simon
    
    MSM did that with 20 minute cities recently. Introduced 20 mins cities and those who opposed were far right conspiracy theorists.
    
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    June 12, 2023 9:21am
  - rangitoto
    
    Some Wuhan lab workers were accidentally infected. That’s how the spread began
    
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    June 12, 2023 10:22am
  - Matt Long
    
    I suspect you mean you would use a more virulent virus as a bioweapon, covid is pretty close to as infectious as you would want.
    And it would depend on your aim, if you wished to introduce world wide political control you may not want to kill large numbers of people with a bio weapon.
    If you want to kill enemy populations, you want a bioweapon with controllable delivery and spread and the ability to confer immunity on first yourself, and second your own assets.
    
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    June 12, 2023 11:03am
    - cmm
      
      Yup, we don’t fully understand the motivation (if there was any).
      
      One way to look at it is that if you really wanted to deliberately create international fearmongering you couldn’t do much better:
      * It would start in China, North Korea or some similar place that the world does not trust.
      * It would involve some culturally weird (and unsanitary sounding) practices such as wet markets and eating bat soup.
      
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      June 12, 2023 11:29am
      - stiff cheese
        
        Well it’s put me off ordering ‘Bat Soup’ for life. Even the famous Bird’s Nest soup is off the menu at my place.
        
        Reminds me of when I found out Crab Sticks were actually not made from crab meat. More likely they contained jellyfish and the unidentifiable blobs left in the nets. Kinda lost my appetite at that point.
        
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        June 12, 2023 2:19pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Although they’re classed as a Weapon of Mass Destruction, bioweapons are not intended to kill large numbers of people – and they don’t have to.
      
      What they’re intended to do is cripple the society attacked by forcing it to largely shut down and quickly become dysfunctional so it can be attacked by conventional military means. Ultimately that could mean merely walking into a nation where only 2-3%, perhaps 5% have died, and taking it over.
      
      In that respect, were I a member of the PLA intelligence and planning group, I’d regard C-19 as a very interesting test.
      
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      June 12, 2023 1:08pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I’m wondering how the F the USA was outsourcing extremely dangerous bio research to C H I N A???? Have they gone completely insane?
    
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    June 12, 2023 4:14pm
    - cjn
      
      Well they are not permitted to do it in the USA, so China and Ukraine were used.
      
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      June 12, 2023 6:24pm
kiwikidsnz

https://cranmer.substack.com/p/epa-recommends-a-model-of-co-governance?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

The long march through the institutions continues. Does anyone recall being given the opportunity to vote for any of this ?
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June 12, 2023 8:06am
- Simon
  
  Govt bureaucrats write legislation and make pay offs to MSM in the form of ad revenue.
  
  National the clueless clownshow cant deal with this reality.
  
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  June 12, 2023 9:23am
- Burtland
  
  You dont get to vote in a silent coup
  
  The march is clearly supported at the highest level, in this case Parker and Twyford. The PIJF is being used to silence all matters related to the silent coup.
  
  NZ is stupid – its all happening in plain sight
  
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  June 12, 2023 10:15am
Opie

In light of his passing, here is an excerpt from the unabombers manifesto.

The man made a lot of sense. A shame he couldn’t articulate his position without the use of nail bombs.

This was written 30 years ago and is completely relevant and accurate today in this country – except we take it one step further by not asking fathers to be responsible amd we don’t encourage gangs to be non violent, we just encourage them.

Certainly helps to understand the madness of “the left”.

“29. Here is an illustration of the way in which the oversocialized leftist shows his real attachment to the conventional attitudes of our society while pretending to be in rebellion against it. Many leftists push for affirmative action, for moving black people into high-prestige jobs, for improved education in black schools and more money for such schools; the way of life of the black “underclass” they regard as a social disgrace. They want to integrate the black man into the system, make him a business executive, a lawyer, a scientist just like upper-middle-class white people. The leftists will reply that the last thing they want is to make the black man into a copy of the white man; instead, they want to preserve African American culture. But in what does this preservation of African American culture consist? It can hardly consist in anything more than eating black-style food, listening to black-style music, wearing black-style clothing and going to a black- style church or mosque. In other words, it can express itself only in superficial matters. In all ESSENTIAL respects most leftists of the oversocialized type want to make the black man conform to white, middle-class ideals. They want to make him study technical subjects, become an executive or a scientist, spend his life climbing the status ladder to prove that black people are as good as white. They want to make black fathers “responsible,” they want black gangs to become nonviolent, etc. But these are exactly the values of the industrial-technological system. The system couldn’t care less what kind of music a man listens to, what kind of clothes he wears or what religion he believes in as long as he studies in school, holds a respectable job, climbs the status ladder, is a “responsible” parent, is nonviolent and so forth. In effect, however much he may deny it, the oversocialized leftist wants to integrate the black man into the system and make him adopt its values.”
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June 12, 2023 8:06am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Irish Cow Farts.

https://redbloodedconservative.com/2023/06/07/government-looks-to-cull-200000-cows-to-help-climate/
So Ireland will have to import dairy products because of the shortfall. It won’t cancel out anything. They will just moved emissions from their Nation to another.
I guess it won’t move the emissions here because the nutty Greens want our dairy herds cut by 20%
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June 12, 2023 8:07am
- Chuck Bird
  
  The nutty Greens should have no say.
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:10am
  - rockape
    
    Maybe we should have a policy of preventing Greenies from not buying unguents stuff like plastic, petrol and ICE cars. We could extend it to other claims of harm from white mans stuff like no booze or fast food for brown skinned people. It’s our duty to save these minorities from themselves.
    
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    June 12, 2023 9:36am
  - Burtland
    
    Every teenage girl in NZ will ensure they have a say – Marama voices the exact BS theyve been taught in school.
    
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    June 12, 2023 10:23am
  - kowtow
    
    But this isn’t “nutty Green” , it is so called mainstream , “centrist” EU policy .
    
    That’s the nutty bit.
    
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    June 12, 2023 11:55am
- slightlyrighty
  
  This is the problem. Measures to reduce our carbon emissions by reducing our economic output are nonsensical because the economy will simply transfer those emissions to whoever takes up the shortfall.
  
  The Greens simply refuse to look at the larger picture because so long as they can virtue signal, it’s all good!
  
  …..and yet when National propose the new policy on use of Genetic Modification, a measure that will not reduce output but reduce greenhouse gas emissions, they go mental.
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:16am
  - krazykiwi
    
    “Measures to reduce our carbon emissions by reducing our economic output are nonsensical because ~~the economy will simply transfer those emissions to whoever takes up the shortfall.~~”
    
    … there is no high-quality evidence that proves a causative relationship between anthropocentric emissions and harmful outcomes for mankind.
    
    There. Fixed.
    
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    June 12, 2023 9:30am
    - Ian Boag
      
      there is no high-quality evidence that proves a causative relationship between anthropocentric emissions
      
      Just out of curiosity, what would such evidence look like? Or would one just know it when one saw it …
      
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      June 12, 2023 12:36pm
      - Local Miller
        
        Excellent question Ian. How about a direct correlation between increased hurricane frequency and intensity vs CO2 levels. There isn’t one, and hurricanes are not becoming more frequent or stronger.
        Same with temperature, wild fires, rainfall.
        In fact, if you actually read the IPCC report (not the news articles) you will see the report actually acknowledges that there is no correlation.
        
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        June 12, 2023 1:27pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      I need to fix my own statement. It is not anthropocentric (although that may fit semantically). The word should have been anthropogenic.
      
      Ian, to your question “what would such evidence look like?”, I suggest:-
      
      Observable cause and effect, including repeatable experiments based on high quality input data and published method leading to initial hypothesis being validated, all conducted in a environment that was free of: –
      (a) reliance on models
      (b) unfalsifiable assertions
      (c) secretly ‘adjusted’ input data
      (d) political and commercial agendas
      
      In other words, practically the polar opposite of what has been happening for the last 30 years.
      
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      June 12, 2023 4:02pm
- Bridgenag
  
  Watch this video….
  sunday memepool: technology
  
  https://open.substack.com/pub/boriquagato/p/sunday-memepool-technology?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:19am
- KiWombat
  
  We should be using GM pasture to reduce emissions, its a no brainer, the science has been around for 20 years now !
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:26am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Even better, we could realise that agricultural emissions aren’t a problem that needs to be solved.
    We could certainly realise that ‘solutions’ like culling herds would be worse for humanity than any unmeasurable benefit we might get from doing it.
    
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    June 12, 2023 8:34am
    - I remember when
      
      Let’s have a United nations selected meal choice so that we have a unified approach to green house emissions.
      Of course, that will allow them to control the farming methods which will also become universal.
      What could possibly go wrong?
      Like a worldwide shortage affecting every country.
      
      Can’t be fairer than that!
      
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      June 12, 2023 8:48am
    - Matt Long
      
      The problem with that is that if we use the latest “science” on methane emissions, which would make agriculture responsibile for an eighth of New Zealand’s emissions, reaching the CO² reduction targets NZ has signed up for becomes an insoluble problem.
      Farmers make up a tiny percentage of NZ’s population, about .2 of a percent, it relatively easy to knock a number of them on their head along with their cows to make a political point.
      https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/barry-brill-the-ministry-s-mammoth-greenwashing-scam?postId=451095d5-f375-4470-8983-534c119b8fbd&cid=db970c6d-6f12-48e2-a04d-5c512f666dee
      
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      June 12, 2023 11:15am
  - cmm
    
    Naah, bullshit. We should just continue what we are doing. The whole thing is a scam.
    
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    June 12, 2023 9:08am
  - I remember when
    
    Full steam ahead, back to the past.
    
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    June 12, 2023 9:29am
    - Ehlana
      
      No steam – steam engines burn coal. It’ll be “forward march” instead. On your bare feet, of course.
      
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      June 12, 2023 11:17am
      - kowtow
        
        And worse again dihydrogen oxide is a major “greenhouse” gas.
        
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        June 12, 2023 11:57am
      - Colville
        
        The best steam engines burn uranium 🙂
        
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        June 12, 2023 12:40pm
  - Gertie
    
    So the fantasy that that is climate change, leads us to the fantasy that cattle emissions need to be reduced, leads us to the fantasy that some lab made grass species will reduce those emissions.
    My take. The people who own the rights to the lab made grass species, also own the media.
    National shooting themselves in the foot yet again by buying into this crap.
    Let me tell you, native grasses will not disappear. Us farmers have spent years trying to breed better grass species, they just die out. One good drought, the natives move in again. If anyone thinks this is a goer they are dreaming. More likely the frankenstein scientists want to reap some gold.
    
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    June 12, 2023 11:45am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Which native grasses move in during drought?
      
      Surely more likely unpalatable weeds and exotic grasses.
      
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      June 12, 2023 6:58pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Just keep in mind that teh Greens are not going for the normal person vote. ie the Centre.
  They are going for those with “”älternative views””
  
  The more Greens move away from Conservation issues the more nutty they will become.
  
  They would be buggared if someone started a “Real Green”” party and concentrated on real green issues.
  
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  June 12, 2023 11:33am
artemisia

Wealth tax. Hard to go past Thomas Sowell –

“Since this is an era when many people are concerned about ‘fairness’ and ‘social justice,’ what is your ‘fair share’ of what someone else has worked for?”

European countries with a wealth tax quickly discovered freedom of travel. And exemptions . Some 42,000 millionaires exited France in the first decade of the 21st century. Good chance the shortlived wealth tax was a factor.
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June 12, 2023 8:07am
- mogg
  
  The Greens are as stupid as the day is long.
  Pre Maggie Thatcher when UK had those punitive tax rates on wealthy people, they would all spend six months every year over the border eg France, Spain, USA. The money the Greens are hoping to tax will be here today gone tomorrow, the Greens are a waste of space, just too stupid for words.
  
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  June 12, 2023 1:25pm
Maggie Pie

Just a reminda to keep your kids safe at home this week.

Today is the start of….

‘SCHOOL’S PRIDE WEEK AOTEAROA’
Celebrating rainbow staff, students, & whanau.

https://twitter.com/DrLoupis/status/1667738530540318725
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June 12, 2023 8:13am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Are secondary schools even open these days?
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/teachers-rolling-strike-action-begins-today-what-you-need-to-know/EP3YGTEHIFFALO5QPFIPI63K4E/
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:18am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Primary schools are the biggest concern 🙁
    
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    June 12, 2023 8:21am
  - alex Masterley
    
    My youngest has over the next three weeks 5 days at home due to strike action and another 1 day due it being a teachers only day.
    So he will be at home 6 out of 15 days remaining in the term.
    I am not impressed.
    
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    June 12, 2023 8:23am
    - kowtow
      
      Ah but the teachers and their left wing media agents are always telling us they’re not there for themselves but for the children !
      
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      June 12, 2023 8:27am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Drag queens reading kids stories at libraries are definitely there for the children.
        
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        June 12, 2023 9:32am
      - KH
        
        Teachers want to avoid the children.
        
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        June 12, 2023 10:13am
      - Matt Long
        
        Very good KK, better than ask not why our children need to be ready books by drag queens but why drag queens need to read books to our children.
        No grooming there then.
        
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        June 12, 2023 11:27am
    - KiWombat
      
      They should push that teachers only day out by a week or ten days, in fact make it a teachers only week !
      
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      June 12, 2023 8:28am
      - RoboRob
        
        If they teachers are only doing < 40% of the work (2 of 5 years not taught each day) perhaps they should doc pay by 40%?
        
        2 years of covid with my kids spending more time at home then at school, followed by strikes and now my kids are being sent home in the afternoon twice this week for parent teacher interviews (how many parents can even attend?) . Teachers lost my support quite some time ago.
        
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        June 12, 2023 9:02am
    - Paulus
      
      Alex
      But did you vote for Jacinda at the last election ?
      
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      June 12, 2023 8:48am
    - RoboRob
      
      Due to strike action, teachers only days, public holidays and parent teacher interviews my son has missed more classes of one subject then he has attended. Project due in a couple of weeks but only one class between now and then.
      
      Teachers telling them that the pay offer from the govt doesn’t arrive until 2025. We looked at this and what they are saying is they wont catch up with inflation until then. When the teachers locked in 3% (?) pay rises each year three years ago and inflation was 0.5% they throught they were great. Now they complain about it. Perhaps the unions should stop doing 3 year pay agreements?
      
      Lucky the teachers are doing this for the kids.
      
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      June 12, 2023 8:59am
    - Dougal10
      
      In reality the kids should just go to school , some of their classes will still actually be being run by the non union members , the rostering home wording is very carefully done the whole thing is a bit of a con between the ppta and ex ppta members who now work at the MOE.
      
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      June 12, 2023 9:36am
  - Lance
    
    On Hosking this morning it was said that the teachers are not having their pay docked when striking, not even annual leave deducted.
    This this true?
    
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    June 12, 2023 8:27am
    - I remember when
      
      Lance:
      They are not on strike, they are ‘working to rule.’
      And, it is working well, they are ruling at present.
      
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      June 12, 2023 8:54am
    - RoboRob
      
      My understanding is that their pay is docked when they strike but that this ‘not teaching 1 or 2yr groups per day stuff’ is favoured by the unions because teachers get full pay.
      
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      June 12, 2023 9:04am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Only under Labour!
      
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      June 12, 2023 9:05am
    - igm
      
      Not unlike other pubic servant leeches.
      They are a blight on society, but are invariably, strong Labour/Green adherents.
      
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      June 12, 2023 9:07am
    - hullkiwi
      
      With that type of arrangement there is no pressure on either side to settle this pay dispute.
      
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      June 12, 2023 11:06am
    - Handyman
      
      Is it irony or hypocrisy that…?
      
      Teachers are demanding pay for the stress of working all hours, even “they are not holidays” but put wage negotiations on hold during school holidays. In the good old days with the boilermakers union they would have been locked out after such rolling stoppages.
      I would start the lockout on the first day of the “school holidays”.
      
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      June 12, 2023 2:53pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Absolutely. Withhold their pay.
        
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        June 12, 2023 9:09pm
  - pdm
    
    Maggy – only when it suits the Union.
    
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    June 12, 2023 8:28am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Three weeks of school left this term, and each year group 9 to 13 will lose 5 days of school because of rolling strike action.
    
    Don’t anyone tell me teachers have the interests of students at heart after 3 years of disrupted schooling!
    
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    June 12, 2023 9:21am
    - Ghost
      
      True, but, the govt could easily end this and future nurse and doctors strikes by paying them a better wage, they seem to have no problem accepting over the top pay increases to their own wallets.
      
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      June 12, 2023 9:34am
      - rockape
        
        We are short of nurses,especially experienced ones and their current pay offer is 3%. If we don’t value them don’t be surprised when they leave for other, greener, pastures.
        
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        June 12, 2023 9:45am
  - Local Miller
    
    How many strikes has it now been since Ardern said there would be no strikes under her (Liebour) government?
    
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    June 12, 2023 9:49am
- emmess
  
  One positive consequence of teachers strikes that kids won’t be there for that, I suppose.
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:19am
- Yabster
  
  Our Education system has been hijacked by socialists in the MOE and unions – teachers have lost all respect they once had from me.
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:21am
  - RoboRob
    
    Wait for Labour / MOE to sign up to an outrageous agreement that will bankrupt the next government. The extra non class time in the current agreement is already impossible given staff availability.
    
    This will be announced just prior to election campaign time. The unions will then throw their full support behind labour and urge their member to vote Labour. All this after 6yrs of major industrial action and long drawn out negotiations.
    
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    June 12, 2023 9:07am
  - Dougal10
    
    Our local high school is asking for parent help to run some evening things and sports days. The begging is now over the top, they have lost the parents and it will take years to get it back .
    
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    June 12, 2023 9:44am
- slightlyrighty
  
  two years ago, when selecting a secondary school for my daughter, the speeches at one wellington school mentioned LGBTQ probably 3 times as much as NCEA.
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:28am
- Random T Person
  
  I strongly disagree with the weird pride shove down your throat bollox, but I also strongly believe in not cotton wooling my kids and they have the smarts to understand and analyse what’s going on around them. They are 8 and 10 boys.
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:40am
- Gaetano
  
  The New Zealand Gazette is promoting this event. It claims that 20 percent of school children are gay or trans 😳😳😳😳😳.
  
  https://gazette.education.govt.nz/articles/schools-pride-week-aotearoa/#:~:text=Schools'%20Pride%20Week%20Aotearoa%20is,for%20all%20Rainbow%20young%20people.&text=Schools'%20Pride%20Week%20Aotearoa%20is%20taking%20place,12%E2%80%9316%20June%20in%202023.
  
  Surveys by Stats NZ show they 1 percent of New Zealand adults are gay. 2 percent are bisexual. The numbers of trans adults are tiny.
  
  https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/new-sexual-identity-wellbeing-data-reflects-diversity-of-new-zealanders
  
  So now an official government Gazette is claiming that 20 percent of school children are gay or trans.
  
  Of course gay adolescents should be supported in schools. Those of who went to school in the 70s and 80s will recall the bullying experienced by gay adolescent boys. But to now promote the idea that 20 percent of children are gay is bizarre. Particularly when it is the Ministry of Education doing so. The Ministry has editorial control of the New Zealand Gazette.
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:50am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    They actually said ‘up to 20%’. Just like a used car dealer would talk about discounts.
    
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    June 12, 2023 9:01am
    - Gaetano
      
      It is clearly no where near 20 percent.
      
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      June 12, 2023 9:26am
      - Matt Long
        
        Not unless the grooming has been extremely effective.
        It could be, as I understand the male population of Sparta in Peloponnesian war times was universally gay or bisexual.
        
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        June 12, 2023 11:31am
- tf78
  
  I can’t believe schools of all places, would be promoting one the of seven deadly sins.
  
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  June 12, 2023 9:07am
- Ehlana
  
  Excellent. No doubt they’ll start next term with a Sloth Week, where no-one will bother to turn up.
  
  I suggest Wrath Week coincide with Waitangi Day and Lust Week with Valentine’s Day. Gluttony Week could be celebrated at the year end, with a different festival feast every day.
  
  Envy Week should mark the start of the election period, which can end with Greed Week. In non-election years, Envy Week can happen in the term two along with Pride Week and Greed Week can precede Gluttony Week.
  
  These celebrations will herald the successful transition of our society away from oppressive traditions of virtue and service into the liberation of values and entitlement.
  
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  June 12, 2023 9:11am
  - Gaetano
    
    A Lust Week sounds great.
    
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    June 12, 2023 9:26am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      I thought we already had 24/7 lust, 365 days a year.
      
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      June 12, 2023 4:17pm
- mw
  
  I have two boys at high school two years apart. They are home for four days between them this week for strikes anyway.
  
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  June 12, 2023 9:53am
  - Paulus
    
    Not strikes but working to rule for which they get paid in full.
    Strikes – no pay – Gettit !
    
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    June 12, 2023 10:41am
    - Ehlana
      
      How can it be working to rule if they are not teaching classes? Isn’t teaching classes their actual job?
      
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      June 12, 2023 11:19am
Bridgenag

Sunday Strip: Bringing up Baby
Where there’s smoke, there’s fire

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/sunday-strip-bringing-up-baby?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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June 12, 2023 8:18am
sirknz

It seems like this article, https://archive.fo/ncRjh [$tuff] might be a bit of a deflection from current affairs, it will be obvious when you get to the end of the article.

The article is asking how mangers should react to extremism at work, that being anyone who thinks that the Jan 6th people are being railroaded is considered an extremist in the example. The unnamed manager at an unnamed organisation wants more power to look into employees outside of work.

Of course the CTU are approached in the article and they seem to think that some beliefs should not be tolerated in the workplace (but their beliefs are fine and protected under law) so I assume they mean anyone who thinks unions are terrible for the most part.
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June 12, 2023 8:23am
- Ehlana
  
  “vocal support in the workplace for the violent January 6 insurrection and storming of the US Capitol could be potentially harmful to the wellbeing and safety of other employees”
  
  By what mechanism, exactly, is vocal support for something that happened 14,000km away from New Zealand, in a different country, in a different hemisphere, on the other side of the dateline and the planet, potentially harmful to the wellbeing and safety of someone working here?
  
  If someone won’t stop banging on about their political views, surely all that is required is for the boss to remind people that other people may have a different view and that you are at work to work?
  
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  June 12, 2023 10:07am
Tony Stuart

It looks as though Jack Tame’s line of questioning of Chris Luxon yesterday on Q&A was no coincidence, but instead was part of a wider agenda:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/132254746/christopher-luxons-properties-affected-by-density-laws-he-plans-to-scrap

Clearly Luxon is going to be attacked by the Left as a “rich prick” who owns multiple properties. That of course fits nicely with the Green Party’s wealth tax narrative, with their policy launched yesterday at the some time as Tame was asking Luxon if anyone in Parliament owned more properties than him.

As long as Luxon’s assets have been accurately declared, there’s no problem. There is no conflict of interest at the moment, because Luxon is an opposition politician, not a Minister, and does not come under the ambit of the Cabinet Manual. I am sure he will seek advice on managing any perceived or actual conflicts of interest when that changes.

Between Tame’s attack however, and the disgraceful questioning by Cushla Norman of TVNZ, there’s a strong suspicion that journalists from state owned broadcasters are colluding with the Left to set the narrative for the election.
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June 12, 2023 8:26am
- slightlyrighty
  
  There is a precedent for this when you look at the journalism union in Canada, who publicly rebranded themselves as part of the resistance to conservative rule in that country.
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:29am
  - Paulus
    
    Lik oin UK where like it or not Prince Harry cannot win against the so called Media no matter what he wants which he will not get.
    Like here the media are scum like say, from the News of the World.
    
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    June 12, 2023 10:43am
- kowtow
  
  Why do I get feeling the Chief Media Handler at the DPMC has been phoning the editors , reminding them who calls the tune.
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:31am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    They don’t have to phone them up. It was revealed when Ardern was PM that her media team had a regular Monday meeting with all the political editors to brief them on what would be the issues for the week ahead.
    
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    June 12, 2023 8:48am
- pdm
  
  Inv – surprisingly Stuff are allowing (some) contesting opinions in their comments on this article
  
  Most unlike them.
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:31am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    Having a bob each way in the runup till the election.
    
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    June 12, 2023 8:41am
    - Paulus
      
      Stuff can only wait until Liquidation before the Election.
      Unless Maori buy them which may be being discussed.
      
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      June 12, 2023 1:26pm
  - pdm
    
    Here is an example (not mine):
    
    `Could we have some balance to reporting.
    Singling out Luxton, who is not my preferred politician, is not balanced. The changes to property density will affect every single property owner in NZ. Not just Luxton. Is the purpose of the article to show how much he is worth and as a Tall Poppy of success, needs slashing down?’
    
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    June 12, 2023 8:59am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Who the Hell is Luxton? The last politician by that name was a Nat from the Waikato who is now deceased.
      
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      June 12, 2023 10:05am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Jo Luxton is a minister in the Labour Party
        
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        June 12, 2023 11:05am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Sorry, forgot about invisible Labour MP Jo Luxton.
        
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        June 12, 2023 11:08am
    - Jack5
      
      PDM’s looking at a mirage when he sees a change in Stuff’s stance.
      
      For example, since owner Sinead Boucher upped her title to “executive chair and publisher,” the new chief executive, Laura Maxwell, seems intent on doubling down on Stuff’s general strategy, but notably in its Maorification and in the role of its women employees:
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/132249252/incoming-stuff-ceo-laura-maxwell-talks-whakapapa-news-and-whnau
      
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      June 12, 2023 10:58am
  - sirknz
    
    Comments are now closed on the story. I guess this means that the majority were calling them out for an unbalanced attack despite their claims to be ‘politically neutral’.
    
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    June 12, 2023 9:03am
    - Colville
      
      Reading thru the comments they are massively pro Luxon despite the heavy moderation from Stuff.
      I can only imagine the comments that didnt get thru!
      
      (I may have made a couple that didnt get past…)
      
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      June 12, 2023 9:41am
  - Paulus
    
    Are Stuff still solvent ?
    
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    June 12, 2023 10:43am
- Inandout
  
  TS, maybe the left are looking for ways to cobble Luxon. Has he any Air NZ documents in his garage?
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:34am
- Yabster
  
  Yep- wish I hadn’t read it.
  
  One comment which had over 90 respects was saying Stuff was showing its bias- next comment said he was very surprised the comment was posted- both comments have now been deleted.
  
  I have questioned why the comments have been deleted- may be on Stuffed banned list shortly.
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:36am
  - sirknz
    
    They delete comments quite often. Especially the ones that go against their narrative and get a lot of likes.
    
    Have you also notice that their are several usernames that appear that get ~30 likes every time they comment but only on articles that are pointing out something that the government has done or is doing?
    
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    June 12, 2023 9:06am
    - Colville
      
      There are usernames that are obviously on auto allow from the moderators. Lefty shills that always follow the party line.
      
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      June 12, 2023 9:43am
    - Dougal10
      
      Stuffs behavior makes what happens at red radio look almost balanced
      
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      June 12, 2023 9:51am
      - Colville
        
        Wait till we find out who pays the bills at Stuff….then we will know who the editorial bias is favouring.
        
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        June 12, 2023 10:16am
- Gravelroad
  
  Politics these days is a dirty, soul destroying business.
  Mr Luxon could be forgiven for wondering why he is even bothering when he must have many more interesting and fulfilling things to do.
  Not suggesting that he chuck it in, but the left wing journalists and communist activists are never going to give up on attacking him.
  They see him as a threat to their cosy, state funded status and lifestyles where essential work for income is what someone else has to do.
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:40am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    You’d have to have a hide like a rhinoceros to go into politics these days.
    
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    June 12, 2023 8:50am
    - Mike
      
      Who would join national or labour these days when members have to remember so many leaders’ names and pretend that each new one is the best ever?
      
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      June 12, 2023 9:37am
    - Paulus
      
      Many look like Rhinoceros’s too !
      National not included.
      
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      June 12, 2023 10:45am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes, but it doesn’t seem to be effecting him. I remember people saying he is another zMuller and would be gone in months
      
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      June 12, 2023 11:09am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  The current law allows Luxon to redevelop his properties with higher density and make profits by doing so. The change National wants would allow the council to stop him doing that. He can only lose, not gain, from National’s proposal.
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:41am
  - alex Masterley
    
    Shows how dim Tame must be if he didnt pick that point up.
    
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    June 12, 2023 8:52am
    - Gravelroad
      
      @Alex-
      He probably did pick it up, but the truth just doesn’t matter when you have a political agenda to pursue and maintain.
      Sly Jack knows what he is doing – but ends justify the means – always.
      
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      June 12, 2023 9:02am
    - cmm
      
      No, it will work because Tame has made his statement and people will latch onto that.
      
      Further analysis and digging to find the facts is far too for the average punter.
      
      Most people will come away with the message that the Rich Pricks are trying to modify the law for their own benefit (and to the detriment of everyone else).
      
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      June 12, 2023 9:15am
  - Piniwi
    
    But Nigel the policy provides options for local bodies: “Councils will have more flexibility about where houses are built by being able to opt-out of the Medium Density Residential Zone law, however central government will reserve powers to ensure councils set aside enough land to meet demand targets.” Tame like so many other leftie directed media types take the attack line when they interview the opposition.
    
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    June 12, 2023 1:47pm
- Debsta
  
  “…there’s a strong suspicion that journalists from state owned broadcasters are colluding with the Left to set the narrative for the election.”
  TS surely this was a foregone conclusion, hardly a revelation? I remain hopeful that enough people are no longer listening to them, but we shall see.
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:41am
- Nickc2
  
  state owned broadcasters are colluding with the Left to set the narrative for the election
  Of course, they are!
  Whatever happened to the 4th Estate where being a Journalist was an honest and rewarding career where reporting the news was paramount, not being an integral part of it?
  Jack Tame must have been painting his fingernails during Journalistic Integrity lessons.
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:42am
  - Paulus
    
    Is there any of the $55 million left but I thought that another $25 million had been allocated recently.
    
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    June 12, 2023 10:47am
  - Burtland
    
    Jack Tame is a low quality product from our polytechs – kapa haka is one of the papers they do.
    
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    June 12, 2023 10:53am
- Unity
  
  I thought Tame’s questioning of Luxon yesterday was an utter disgrace. His very obvious bias shone through like a dazzling light. I would have turned the TV off but I was interested to hear what Luxon had to say. However I was exclaiming at Tame all through the excruciating interview. Tame isn’t a Journalist – he’s very obviously without a doubt in the Left camp.
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:45am
- Simon
  
  [Mod – clean your language up]
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:52am
- Prince
  
  It is a concerted effort.
  Odd that Hipkins, who is PM and therefore able to implement policy, also owns multiple houses but is only briefly mentioned at the bottom of the article.
  But Luxon, who is not in Govt and therefore has minimal effect on current policies, is highlighted, headlined and blasted for conflicts !
  
  But knowing Stuff and their ‘journalists’, not really odd at all.
  
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  June 12, 2023 9:05am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @Prince-
    From the article:
    
    “Renters United president Geordie Rogers said Luxon’s property portfolio, which is currently valued at over $16m, should be considered a conflict of interest.” ( Which was also claimed to be worse than that of Mr Wood’s current situation.)
    Perhaps Mr/Ms Rogers should be informed without delay about Mr Hipkins’ multiple house ownership so that he/she/they can start attacking the Prime Minister’s policy and selfishness.
    Will look forward to seeing this addressed by Mr Tame next Sunday – in the interests of balance etc.
    
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    June 12, 2023 10:01am
    - greybeard
      
      Maybe he could also ask Geordie Rogers if he/she owns any properties. Just to eliminate any possible hypocrisy.
      
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      June 12, 2023 11:01am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Geordie & his family lived in rented accommodation, last I heard. I think they’re suffering for his principles.
        
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        June 12, 2023 9:16pm
    - Ehlana
      
      Are all the other MP’s property portfolios also conflicts of interest?
      
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      June 12, 2023 12:06pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Luxon has his own home, his batch, his Wellington apartment for work, and apparently one is a commercial building, that leaves just three houses that could be rentals, what’s the big deal?
    
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    June 12, 2023 11:14am
- RoboRob
  
  This was never an issue for Helen Clarke and her 9 auckland properties 🙂
  
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  June 12, 2023 9:10am
- oldpark
  
  I am wondering every time i read an article in Stuff it is between travel promotions for foreign countries or even NZ. Are they broke and need handouts from Travel Industry .
  Questions are?Is that lot of fierce one sided lefty claptrap news outlet struggling to operate, or just getting propped by a plain old travel Magazine .
  Probably a case of watch this space.
  
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  June 12, 2023 10:28am
  - kowtow
    
    For an organisation that is so committed to the “climate emergency” and who’re constantly attcking our agricultural industry , they sure do put a lot of effort into trying to get people into carbon emitting airplanes .
    No doubt there’s a huge amount of money involved in advertising , which makes them massive hypocritics.
    
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    June 12, 2023 12:03pm
- Muttonbird
  
  Great, so it’s a declared conflict of interest. That it is a conflict of interest is not in doubt or dispute.
  
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  June 12, 2023 10:57am
- miltonF
  
  Come on now, which rock have you been hiding under? The collusion between the MSM and the current govt has been abundantly obvious for many years now. They don’t even try to hide it.
  
  For example, Stuff news has a negative article about David Seymour nearly every day. ALWAYS open to comments which are filled with leftist misinformation and doomsday predictions. Yet a negative article about our current sitting politicians is a rare find, and finding one open to comments is like hen’s teeth. It’s quite amazing really. Weekly scandals get brushed off with supportive reporting “meh it’s not so bad”, with zero comments allowed. Then it’s off to covering for the next scandal.
  
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  June 12, 2023 11:19am
BeaB

So now we know what we always suspected. Red Radio truly is a tool of Russian propaganda.
TVNZ attacks a National leader for Nazi policies and eugenics.
There we have it. Both our state-owned news media firmly aligned with the far left.
Willingly bought and paid for by Comrade Jacinda, Grant Robertson and Chris Hipkins. What an odious troika.
How far have our journalists sunk?
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June 12, 2023 8:26am
Maggy Wassilieff

Michael Bassett is not pulling his punches in this opinion piece

The current craze for privileging the Maori world view is being driven by the Maori elite who use it to justify themselves and their status. The Labour Party hasn’t explained why the party which once prided itself on its international connections has decided instead to make the promotion of a newly-created culture with no international standing its prime reason for existence.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/michael-bassett-who-is-a-maori
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June 12, 2023 8:29am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Bassett is completely on target.
  
  It seems that as time passes you can if you really, really want become much more maori than your great grandfather/mother ever was……
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:35am
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    It’s a form of conservatism that should resonate with other conservatives who would like contemporary values to be more like those of 50 or 100 years ago.
    
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    June 12, 2023 8:52am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  In a world where no one is more than 50% Maori blood, to claim you are Maori is to deny the greater part of your ancestry.
  
  The issue: which part of your ancestry do you want to promote? Which part do you want to suppress? For what reasons?
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:47am
  - Ehlana
    
    You can be more than 50% Maori, as it turns out. If a half-Maori marries a pure Maori, their children will be 75% Maori, so whether those early part-Maori married other part- or non-Maori, or full-blooded Maori, will determine how Maori someone’s ancestry is today.
    
    Oriini Kaipara is the journalist whose DNA test result came back showing that although she has European ancestors, her parents had passed on only their non-Pakeha genes. Apparently it’s extremely rare, but it can happen.
    
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    June 12, 2023 12:14pm
    - gravedodger
      
      Where exactly is that purebred native, his genetics will be in great demand Ehlana.
      My belief system is holding that the last “Pure” Maori was goneburger well over a century ago.
      
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      June 12, 2023 1:42pm
      - Ehlana
        
        Oriini Kaipara is the Maori woman with the moko, seen regularly on TV3. Apparently she did the DNA test as part of a story: https://www.nowtolove.co.nz/news/current-affairs/oriini-kaipara-opens-up-about-her-100-per-cent-maori-dna-test-32948
        
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        June 12, 2023 3:50pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Sounds like bullshit to me
      
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      June 12, 2023 9:18pm
  - Paulus
    
    Who tells us thatMaori are 16% of the population.
    Show me as this is a gueas as the both current and previous Censuses are incomplete so the figures are made up presumably by ?.
    
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    June 12, 2023 1:35pm
- Paulus
  
  The BOP Times this morning front full page says that National will modify/SCRAP the Maori Health scam and ACT have fully agreed likewise.
  Retty agrees that itmis beset by the fact that nothing has happened except a few have filled big pockets already.
  And stationery expenses and signs have soared.
  Have just spent two days in medical emergency hospitalisation and have to say that medically it was all brilliant, except the lovely Asian Nurses are totally understaffed.
  Now it took 7 hours to get signed out as it appears that the admin side ids not very active – I had to threaten to discharge myself before action.
  See Nats/Act positions as vote winners.
  And they had bloody well do it asap.
  
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  June 12, 2023 10:57am
Tomtoddy

I badly want Christopher Luxon to do well. I am not a National voter but I recognise that getting rid of the present incompetent government is the most critically important issue facing the country. That means National getting plenty of support. It means Luxon performing well.

I have now dragged myself to watch Q and A. Besides Jack Tame being his usual jumped up self and too full of his own importance ( do these guys ever watch the great interviewers of the past to see what is a more effective but less rude way to elucidate answers – David Frost, Larry King ??) I was disappointed in some of Luxon’s responses.

For example, when asked about why he advocated improved national productivity but had his savings tied up in housing he fluffed around awkwardly and left us thinking he didn’t have a useful answer and is guilty of being two-faced.

Here is how he could have answered: “Jack, every investment adviser ever known says, ‘spread your risk’ so I have done just that. I have a range of investments but because of time constraints I have tended to weight my portfolio with investments that need little hands on attention. Secondly, not everyone can afford a house or wants to own a house. They want a rental. Without rental housing we would have an even bigger problem that we have under the present lot. I am providing a roof for families in need. Lastly, programmes like Q and A would be much better focused on how to grow the whole cake for everyone’s benefit than focusing on those who have worked hard and become well off”.

He still has some way to go to be less commercial and more political. He needs to hurry up.
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June 12, 2023 8:34am
- Debsta
  
  You are so right Tom!!
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:45am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  NZ has too much capital invested in residential property and not enough in the sharemarket and other productive activity. That is a real problem and Luxon really is contributing to it. You can have a diverse portfolio that needs little hands on attention and does not include residential property.
  
  Of course it would be great if media spent their time analysing how policy would impact the big issues, instead of focusing on all this little stuff. Tinetti and Wood might prefer that too. But the media don’t have the intellect to do that, and the point about all Luxon’s houses is essentially correct.
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:49am
  - Dougal10
    
    The reason people dont invest heavily in the nz stock market is it’s dodgy as, our insider trading laws are shit and most of the same directors and CEO’s seem to just keep getting recycled.
    
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    June 12, 2023 9:58am
    - Hard Cheese
      
      Just ask all the people who “invested” in the My Food Bag IPO debacle what they think of the NZ share market and the ethics of company directors. $1.85 down to 16c, lost over 90% of their money.
      
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      June 12, 2023 12:24pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Sorry Nigel. The Sharemarket is only productive if it’s new share listings for new investment. Otherwise it’s basically a pyramid scheme. I would assume, given the constant stream of Kiwisaver investment, that the share “value” of NZ shares are well over the actual value of those companies.
    
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    June 12, 2023 10:31am
  - Jack5
    
    Housing seems to be the favourite investment of all MPs, whatever their party.
    
    They want something whose management can be easily delegated, and on the surface seems unlikely to bring them into a conflict of interests.
    
    It was Ardern, themselves, who promised there would be no increase in capital gains tax … the report is by a Leftist who, amazingly given his background as a trade union organiser, became a lecturer in entrepreneurship at Otago University:
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/127484371/ardern-promised-no-capital-gains-tax-she-should-break-that-promise
    
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    June 12, 2023 10:46am
    - Jack5
      
      Edit: It was Ardern, ~~themselves~~ themself …
      
      Or: It was Ardern, ~~themselves~~ verself, or viself,, or perhaps eirself.
      
      Woke pronouns are a fog.
      
      https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34901704
      
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      June 12, 2023 1:56pm
  - Flossie
    
    Wouldn’t matter what Luxon said Tame would twist it
    
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    June 12, 2023 12:20pm
- Mike
  
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  He seems to struggle a bit when he doesn’t have Nicola Willis beside him to handle the follow-up questions.
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:53am
  - Yabster
    
    [Mod – use members correct names] you’re showing your bias again- how’s old [Mod – use correct names] going?- he struggles to answer anything, bit like your fav airhead Cindy… start saving now for her book milky- she may even sign it for you if you’re really lucky.
    
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    June 12, 2023 9:53am
- Prince
  
  Your responses would all result in negative press.
  
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  June 12, 2023 9:13am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Agree there @Prince. He could have done a Chippy with a ” It’s not all properties you know, uh…, I don’t have the mix detail just now….., but I’ll get back to you …. “. A justifying defense of his success was exactly what Tame was hunting for!
    
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    June 12, 2023 10:36am
- marcw
  
  Luxon is on record as confirming that when he entered politics he divested all of his equity in shares and stocks to remove any suggestions of conflicts of interest. As can be seen with Wood’s recent exposure, this is a positive, not a position that should be used to criticise him. Actually it confirms his management and organisational skills, and also moral integrity.
  
  So, you are completely wrong here Tomtoddy.
  
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  June 12, 2023 10:49am
Maggie Pie

And see where that unwashed lowlife (name suppressed) charged with the vicious assault on the 72 year-old lady in Albert Park is due to appear in the Auckland District Court this morning….. courtroom 5 @ 11am.

Be interesting to see if he gets a sympathetic dudge.
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June 12, 2023 8:34am
- nathie
  
  That young trans-activist woman protester who deliberately removed the safety barrier rope (in the video leading up to the assault) should also be charged, as it enabled the trans-activist protesters to surge forward. If the Police can’t then perhaps it is a Health & Safety breech? H&S seems to have harsher penalties too!
  
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  June 12, 2023 10:54am
- Muttonbird
  
  The 72 year-old terf attacked first. If she were less aggressive, perhaps she wouldn’t have got punched in the face.
  
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  June 12, 2023 2:56pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Is there a link to that Muttonbird?
    
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    June 12, 2023 4:04pm
    - Ghost
      
      It’s in the videos everyone has posted here. Someone would have to find it I can’t. But from memory, a woman comes from the trans side, starts pulling up the little barricade between them, the old girl goes over and starts pushing them away. Thug comes running in and hits her.
      
      Still not a reason for a young man to come in and punch an elderly lady in the face.
      
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      June 12, 2023 5:15pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Is this meant to be some sort of Joke?
    
    Since when has it been acceptable to punch anyone in the face?
    
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    June 12, 2023 4:45pm
    - Mike
      
      That’s a long-standing question of moral philosophy.
      
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      June 12, 2023 6:00pm
cas

I see on the news last night plasma supplies are short. They could get a lot more people donating if they weren’t quite so ageist. I am fit and healthy but apparently too old, (though not that old). I’ve gone to the mobile clinics twice and been turned away.

Is older blood bad?
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June 12, 2023 8:38am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  You probably can’t donate plasma at a mobile clinic. The NZBlood website says new donors up to age 71 and existing donors up to age 75. I would suggest phoning your nearest blood centre and making an appointment to donate plasma.
  
  The bigger problem is excluding people from the UK, apparently due to mad cow, even though only three people in the UK itself have contracted it from a blood transfusion in 40 years.
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:57am
- Gaetano
  
  The other road block on donations is excluding anyone who lived in the UK in the 80s and 90s.
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:59am
  - kevn
    
    @Gaetano… What about jabbed blood donors? Is not a ‘thing’ anymore?
    
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    June 12, 2023 9:15am
    - Gaetano
      
      sorry I don’t understand your question.
      
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      June 12, 2023 9:45am
- MCōs
  
  Why did you go twice?
  I note for a first timer the age restriction is 71, for a regular contributor 75 and in other circumstances 81.
  
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  June 12, 2023 9:16am
- Maggie Pie
  
  I hope it doesn’t mean we could have problems with our Tellys?
  
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  June 12, 2023 9:40am
Maggy Wassilieff

James Shaw identifies the fact that NZ is an outlier by not having a CGT/ Wealth tax….

“Aotearoa is the only one, the only one, that does not have a capital gains tax, a wealth tax, stamp duty, a state tax, inheritance tax, some form of land tax, or some combination of all of the above,” said Shaw.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/06/election-2023-the-main-takeaways-from-greens-big-election-tax-announcement.html

So have countries like UK, Australia, Canada, USA, etc managed to end child poverty?
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June 12, 2023 8:40am
- Mike
  
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  I think your conclusion lacks a logical connection to Shaw’s statement.
  A fair tax system is one thing: how tax revenue is used is another. I’m not sure that the countries you have mentioned all share the same approach to child welfare.
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:44am
  - Taieri
    
    A fair tax system is one thing
    ————–
    
    How’s it fair if there’s no inflation adjustment built into it?
    
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    June 12, 2023 11:07am
  - Jack5
    
    New Zealand does have a capital gains tax, but it’s weak compared with CGT in nearly every other developed country:
    
    https://www.sharesight.com/blog/calculating-taxable-gains-on-share-trading-in-new-zealand/
    
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    June 12, 2023 11:12am
    - stiff cheese
      
      We also have the ‘Bright Line Test’ so CGT can be extracted from Residential Property owners; but — as far as I know — nothing similar for Commercial Property owners. . . Hmmm, strange . . why would we discriminate against the small fry in property investment?
      
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      June 12, 2023 4:10pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I think your conclusion lacks a logical connection to Shaw’s statement.
    
    I have posed a question….. Read the article.
    
    It’s James Shaw who lacks logic… for he is the one who has tried to tie his proposed taxes to putting an end to poverty.
    
    “Poverty is a political choice and the Green Party is choosing to end it,” said Shaw.
    
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    June 12, 2023 4:56pm
    - Mike
      
      Why would I read an article? The flaws in your argument were evident enough already.
      
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      June 12, 2023 5:15pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I haven’t constructed an argument.
        
        I posed a question.
        
        It seems you can’t decipher text.
        
        You also seem to be completely unaware of what James Shaw said yesterday.
        (at 1:40)
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tIGUt-Aa2Y
        
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        June 12, 2023 7:25pm
      - Ghost
        
        Why bother Maggy, you know he is just trolling, ignore him
        
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        June 12, 2023 7:37pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Ghost..
        
        Yes, I know he is just trolling..
        but each time I respond, I offer up more evidence.
        
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        June 12, 2023 8:32pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Using a whataboutism in his arguement/statement shows how shallow the arguement/statement actually is.
  
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  June 12, 2023 9:04am
- RoboRob
  
  They didn’t do it right 🙂
  
  Funnily enough AU has the same or worse issues with housing then us. CGT doesn’t seem to have made a jot of difference. Doesn’t really matter as the left haven’t ever met a tax they dont like.
  
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  June 12, 2023 9:13am
- RoboRob
  
  Oh and Most countries that aren’t NZ allow people to deposit into their retirement savings BEFORE tax is taken. Perhaps we need to implement that too. How about single earning couples being able to split their incomes to reduce their tax?
  
  Oh, both of those reduce taxes. I see lets not implement those.
  
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  June 12, 2023 9:15am
  - cmm
    
    Yup.
    
    Most countries either tax retirement savings on the way in (ie. you pay tax on income before saving, then interest is tax free) or on the interest earned (ie. deposits are tax free, but you pay tax on the interest).
    
    NZ double dips.
    
    If you earn $100k and put it into savings at 5%:
    * You first pay 39% tax on the income, so it is down to $61k.
    * The 5% earns you $3k and a hamburgers. IRD leaves you with $2k and two thirds of a hamburger.
    
    So your $100k income has lost $39k in value, then the returns are also reduced by 60%!
    
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    June 12, 2023 10:00am
    - RoboRob
      
      Your numbers arent right but the concept is. Strange how the tax comission(s) never seem to look at this stuff. Its always around additional taxes never about the application of existing taxes.
      
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      June 12, 2023 10:30am
      - cmm
        
        Which numbers are wrong?
        
        If you have $100k to save then that is your marginal earnings and you’re pulling in $250k or more. The marginal rate is 39% isn’t it? So that $100k is suffering 39% income tax.
        
        Ditto the tax you are paying on interest.
        
        No wonder people are not inclined to save.
        
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        June 12, 2023 11:32am
      - RoboRob
        
        No problem..
        
        ‘If you earn $100k and put it into savings at 5%:
        * You first pay 39% tax on the income, so it is down to $61k.’
        
        1) the 39% kicks in at 180k so you dont pay it if you earn 100;
        2) If you earn 100k you pay the first n @19.5% then the next n @33%. So even if you said pay 33% on 100k its not $67,000 you get after tax, its more then that.
        
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        June 12, 2023 1:13pm
- Dougal10
  
  We do have some of them in various forms they are just set at zero because they either distort the economy when used or cost more to collect than gain in income.
  
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  June 12, 2023 10:04am
- Paulus
  
  I am glad Shaw was not talking about New Zealand !
  
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  June 12, 2023 1:39pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How strange that the experts at the Government’s run “Disinformation Project” had no idea that RNZ was disseminating disinformation for months.

Really makes you wonder if they have a clue about anything.
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- Mike
  
  It was good to hear Massey’s journalism professor calling out RNZ on Morning Report today on the failure of the chairperson or CE to front and for pretending that the board can run an ‘independent’ inquiry.
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:49am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I guess it all depends on where you look for “disinformation”. The activists at The Disinformation Project were so busy finding far-right websites etc that they missed RNZ’s disinformation which was hiding in plain sight!
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:53am
  - RoboRob
    
    In fairness, RNZ normal coverage is so left biased it was hard to spot their Russian bias.
    
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    June 12, 2023 9:17am
    - Mike
      
      Assumes Russia is a leftist state rather than an autocratic and kleptocratic oligarchy.
      
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      June 12, 2023 9:41am
      - RoboRob
        
        Nope. The left loves all communist or previously communist countries. They will always have a soft spot for Russia, China , Cuba etc
        
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        June 12, 2023 10:32am
      - Matt Long
        
        “rather than an autocratic and kleptocratic oligarchy.”
        A socialist state is an autocratic and kleptocratic oligarchy.
        
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        June 12, 2023 11:49am
      - Mike
        
        RoboRob
        That would assume that ‘the left’ (which no one ever seems to clearly define) maintains a preference for Poland, Hungary, Czechia, Slovakia, etc over countries such as Italy, Greece, Austria, etc.
        That’s just bonkers.
        One of the reasons Kiwiblog comments are so rib-tickling is the relentless drive by some commenters to ascribe everything they don’t like to some ill-defined enemy, be that ‘the Left’, ‘globalists’, ‘woke academics’, ‘the MSM’ or whatever.
        
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        June 12, 2023 1:52pm
      - RoboRob
        
        @Mike
        
        So are you trying to say that the left don’t have a love affair with the countries I listed?
        
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        June 12, 2023 3:53pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Weird because Russian leadership merely tolerates gay/trans stuff, as long as it’s kept discrete. I wonder if the RNZ um, public servants, thought of that.
        
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        June 12, 2023 4:25pm
      - Mike
        
        @RoboRob
        Yes, I do dispute that. As mentioned above, you would need to provide a definition of ‘the left’ first, and then show how everyone you identify as part of ‘the left’ adores those specific countries.
        I guess it’s possible that some members of the Communist League or Socialist Aotearoa (both unregistered political parties) might have affection for ‘Russia, China, Cuba’. But I’m guessing you wish to define ‘the left’ more broadly than that.
        
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        June 12, 2023 5:22pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      RNZ normal coverage is so left biased it was hard to spot their Russian bias.
      
      And many on the Left are perfectly happy with that, as Malcolm Evans and many of the commentators show on The Daily Blog, MEDIAWATCH: Sunday Star Times Story exposes our media’s bias:
      
      But, far from fostering fear that our news reporting has been infiltrated, the great irony of the Sunday Star Times story is that it actually exposes the blind faith our media has in the reporting which foreign news agencies supply.
      
      Well yes, something the Right has often pointed out about both Reuters and the Associated Press. But most of that bias has leaned towards the causes that Evan’s favours so he’s said nothing – until now.
      
      As you say further down, all these old (and some not so old) bastards supported the USSR in the day, plus Cuba and such today, apparently refusing to accept that all “communist” nations were always autocratic and kleptocratic oligarchies.
      
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      June 12, 2023 11:15am
    - Ra Henare
      
      ??? What Russian Bias.
      Or did I miss the /sarc tag.
      
      RNZ like nearly all Western MSM are heavily in to an anti Russian Bias. In my view the edited story was closer to balanced information than the Reuters original.
      
      Blokes at the Pub (MSM customers) are woefully misinformed as to the Russian/Ukrainian situation.
      Got asked by a couple to expand on some of the facts that I have discovered reading other sources than MSM.
      
      eg that Russia is NOT falling apart due to sanctions and actually has a stronger GDP (1,2%) verses USA (1.1%) ie 10% better. UK (minus 0.3%)
      
      Russians are not turning against Putin.
      Sure there will be some in a population of 145+ million.
      Using US stats of anti Bidens ie only 25% of Democrats prefer Joe. (25% of 50% of 336 Mill)
      
      https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/03/28/poll-only-25-of-democrats-prefer-joe-biden-launch-2024-campaign/
      
      That would indicate that 18 million Russians needed to be anti Putin to match Joes Record.
      
      Personally I find the Ukraine/Russia conflict interesting in that it is like finding a needle in a haystack trying to get real information, dare I say facts.
      
      Each side is spinning propaganda at humongous rates.
      
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      June 12, 2023 4:50pm
      - Burtland
        
        hope you gave them a balanced view, like
        
        that Russias GDP is about the same as Italy or New York State or that the GDP per captia is the same as Romania or 1/4 of the worst US state, Mississippi
        
        or maybe that 8 million Ukrainians fled Ukraine to avoid the Russian welcoming party
        
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        June 12, 2023 8:37pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  They are there to find only the skeletons they are told to find…..
  
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  June 12, 2023 9:05am
- Burtland
  
  the Ukrainian community officially complained 8 months ago and was fobbed off
  
  https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/06/11/exclusive-rnz-received-complaint-over-russian-propaganda-months-ago/
  
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  June 12, 2023 11:08am
- Burtland
  
  RNZ chief Paul Thompson “Trusted journalism is our bed-rock ” 🤣🤣🤣
  
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  June 12, 2023 11:24am
  - Paulus
    
    The buck stops Thompson should be fired !
    
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    June 12, 2023 1:40pm
Maggie Pie

Despite what nasty trans activist Shaneel has had to say about ‘The Horrid’ –
they still continue to back his call for… “the support of queer people”

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1667695370963501057

What surprises me, is they didn’t turn off the comments.
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June 12, 2023 8:47am
Loddenthinks

Oh dear! Canadian trans-activist MPP and left-wing nutjob Joel Harden falsely claimed he was punched while counter-protesting at a gender ideology protest. Even said “But I’ll take a punch for queer and trans youth any day.”

Inconvenient video shows him scratching his own face while using his megaphone to shout down the people the protestors actually came to hear. Also, despite thousands of cameras and phones used by press, citizen journalists and police, not one photo or video of this despicable troll being punched could be found – what are the odds?

Some of the comments are pure gold, including calling him “Jussie Harden” and suggesting he also had a noose put around his neck and had bleach poured into his eyes.

https://twitter.com/BillboardChris/status/1667751253739282432
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June 12, 2023 8:59am
graham

I read this “Correction” in the Herald yesterday, and it left me wondering just what it was about.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/correction/O74FJFD7PBGBZNOVZVMETWKBEI/

With the mod’s permission, I will post the entire correction:

A story published last Sunday about a woman who triumphed over a difficult background to become a lawyer had elements that were false. In publishing the article, we fell short of the high standards and procedures we hold ourselves to.

That’s it. Two sentences.

I have no idea what the story they refer to is, or any of the details – and now I’m curious. What was the story about? Which elements were false?

Sounds like the story was a puff piece, a feel-good story about someone from the gutters who made it big – only now they’ve discovered the story was a pack of lies. Hmm … so many unanswered questions.
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June 12, 2023 9:00am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I suppose that if they didn’t specify which elements were false we should assume that the whole article was bullshit.
  
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  June 12, 2023 2:38pm
I remember when

The Deep South Challenge:
In June 2017 they completed a Project “Exploring coastal adaption pathways for Tangoio Marae.”
“We co-created a flood adaption game, Marae-Opoly, to help the hapu of Maungaharuru-Tangitu assess how sea level rise and extreme floods might impact marae assets.
Our project also carried out hydrological and hydrodynamic modelling, to identify how the marae might mitigate flood impacts in future.”

So how did their mitigation of flood impacts work during the Cyclone?
Was it money well spent?
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June 12, 2023 9:14am
- cmm
  
  I’m sure it was successful in extracting money from taxpayers’ wallets.
  
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  June 12, 2023 9:26am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Looks like the marae asked the wrong question. Sea level rise did not cause their flooding.
  
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  June 12, 2023 9:28pm
Tony Stuart

Has anyone noticed that the Green Party’s 45% tax rate kicks in at $180,000, just above what a backbench MP earns? Funny that..
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June 12, 2023 9:16am
- RoboRob
  
  Has anyone noticed that the numbers dont add up. Does anyone really care.
  
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  June 12, 2023 9:18am
- Prince
  
  Has anyone noticed there is no allowance for:
  a) High earners leaving the country.
  b) Companies moving to Australia for the lower Coy tax rate.
  c) People leaving the workforce due to ‘Universal income’.
  d) Rental shortage due to CGT.
  
  Does anyone really believe these policies will ‘solve poverty’, or are they just another step on the road to higher taxes, more spending, more bureaucracy, higher debt that we have been tracking for six long years.
  
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  June 12, 2023 10:02am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And when Shaw is on TV trying to explain this nonsense he looks like an earnest little man totally out of his depth.
    
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    June 12, 2023 11:15am
    - jon
      
      Notice too, Shaw always talks about a place called Aotearoa.
      
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      June 12, 2023 2:29pm
  - greybeard
    
    Actually they are just a random selection of ideas with no workings behind them which are nothing more than attention-grabbers.
    
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    June 12, 2023 11:16am
  - cmm
    
    e) People working less.
    
    If I’m earning $280k a year, then the top $100k which is what I would have been saving is cut down from $100k to $55k.
    The interest I am earning is further cut by 45%, to the point where it is rotting in the bank (ie. the interest is less than inflation).
    
    Sounds to me like there isn’t much point in earning more than $180k. I’ll downsize.
    
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    June 12, 2023 11:37am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Yep. Three day week here I come.
      
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      June 12, 2023 9:29pm
Gerrit

Will the Greens new tax policy collect 1.5% annual wealth tax from IWI?
The combined assets for all IWI is $9B +.
Waiting for the blow back from Maori on why their trusts should be exempt.
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June 12, 2023 9:26am
- PeterB
  
  No. They are exempt.
  
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  June 12, 2023 10:08am
- Libertarians are right
  
  No. Explicitly exempt.
  
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  June 12, 2023 10:27am
Maggie Pie

“Ask Not What The Unemployable
Can Do For The Country –
Ask What YOU Can Do For They/Them”.

https://twitter.com/bootstheory/status/1666370572547403777/photo/1

The Greens need YOU. Let’s end poverty together.
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June 12, 2023 9:26am
- Loddenthinks
  
  You owe me a new keyboard!
  
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  June 12, 2023 9:57am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I can’t tell if that Twitter account is real or a spoof.
  
  Which says something about me but much more about the society we have become.
  
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  June 12, 2023 9:32pm
krazykiwi

I see DIA are getting on with implementing Three Waters. From Gets (Govt tender system) on Friday:

The opportunity
This RFP is issued by the Department of Internal Affairs, referred to below as “DIA”, “National Transition Unit”, “NTU”, “the Buyer”, “we” or “us”.

What we need
DIA is leading the Water Services Reform Programme and is seeking a Health & Safety Software-as-a-Service (SaaS) solution from a suitably qualified and experienced vendor for use by ten new water service entities (WSEs) to be established and operational between 1 July 2024 and 30 June 2026 or so as part of the Reform Programme.
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June 12, 2023 9:53am
- cmm
  
  I wonder what programming language the taniwha prefers?
  
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  June 12, 2023 10:16am
Gaetano

A few years ago I got the impression that there was a demographic of prosperous women who supported the Green Party – think Fendalton SUV driving mums. Because they wanted to feel good about ‘protecting the environment’.

I can’t see any of this support remaining. The Greens have morphed into a full on New Zealand Communist Party. Their policies would have those Fendalton and Khandallah women running for the hills.
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June 12, 2023 9:56am
- cmm
  
  I think the Green Hope is that the Fendalton mums’ children are now at university and will be voting Green.
  
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  June 12, 2023 10:02am
  - Gaetano
    
    Yes Green Policies look great to a law student. Fast forward 10 years and they are a Partner pulling in $500k – not so much 🙂
    
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    June 12, 2023 10:36am
cmm

What could possibly be more traditionally Aotearoan than….
spiced milk to celebrate Matariki?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/a-spiced-milk-made-just-for-matariki-is-a-celebration-and-not-commercialisation/7M2RPMXOUBGXZHQRPAKOZPK67E/
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June 12, 2023 10:14am
- Gravelroad
  
  @cmm-
  frozen Moa milk.
  
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  June 12, 2023 10:31am
- Inandout
  
  cmm, it is just another holiday forced on us by a culture that had no idea of what a wheel or written language were FGS.
  
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  June 12, 2023 10:38am
- Burtland
  
  did pre-colonial maori have public holidays ?
  
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  June 12, 2023 11:51am
  - Paulus
    
    Pre Colonial days every battle feast day was a public holiday – put to the pot days.
    
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    June 12, 2023 1:44pm
Chuck Bird

Below is a quote from James Renwick who was on with Jack Tame on Sunday. Why is it that these climate change alarmists will not debate with well-qualified experts?

I do not feel inclined to engage in a debate with Dr Koonin over the science of climate change as I expect that would provide plenty of heat but little light. In any case, the veracity of our understanding of how the climate system works and how it is changing does not come down to a debate between two people of differing views. The breadth of the scientific literature is where we can assess our understanding of the science. A broad summary of that literature, as found in IPCC reports, is clear on the realities of climate change.
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June 12, 2023 10:33am
- krazykiwi
  
  The belief system of a climate alarmists is eviscerated on first contact with evidence that contradicts their quasi-religious dogma.
  
  They know this, so they avoid the pain at all costs.
  
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  June 12, 2023 11:26am
- All_on_Red
  
  Interesting he refers to the ‘Summary’ or Summary for Policy Makers (SPM)and not to the Working Group 1 Report which details the Physical Science and is the work of over 600 scientists.
  The SPM is mainly written by quangos and political groups….
  Its often noted that the SPM excludes some of the, ahem, more inconvenient facts that alarmists like Renwick don’t like eg, low probability weather is getting more extreme and sea level rise is minimal.
  
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  June 12, 2023 12:07pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    It’s worse than ‘excludes’.
    
    I have read examples of the SPM directly, and flagrantly contradicting the data in the same report.
    
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    June 12, 2023 1:54pm
- Burtland
  
  Carr, Renwick and Leining are going to completely rejig the entire economy of NZ on the basis of recent CO2 levels without any debate.
  
  big call – what could go wrong?
  
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  June 12, 2023 12:19pm
Maggie Pie

Heard the Hosk saying earlier this morning…. he had it on good authority that Cindy had negotiated a $1.5 million advance from Penguin for her book.
Reckoned they would need to sell well over 25,000 copies @ $59.95 just to break even. But with Aussie in the mix, she could even end up with additional royalties.

I know a lot of the girls from tennis will buy a copy. My doubles-partner is keen to get the inside goss on what’s happening with ClarkE. And whether or not there’s any mention of that other guy (his name escapes me for the moment) the Czech drug smuggler who’s still waiting to be deported.

I’ll borrow Prue’s copy once she’s read it and report back.
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June 12, 2023 10:40am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Would you be at the same tennis club as Wayne Brown by any chance?
  
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  June 12, 2023 10:48am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    No. Wayne’s a member at Westmere.
    There have been a few interclub games but I’ve never seen him in the flesh.
    
    You a player Chucky?
    
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    June 12, 2023 11:02am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Yes. Every Wednesday. Can I join you and the girls if I identify as a woman?
      
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      June 12, 2023 11:14am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        What sort of car do you drive?
        
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        June 12, 2023 11:26am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Holden 6 liter V8.
        
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        June 12, 2023 11:32am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Hmmm.
        We’ve got a committee meeting on the 22nd. I’ll need to get back to you.
        
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        June 12, 2023 11:35am
      - Mike
        
        Chuck might not want to play at Otahuhu.
        
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        June 12, 2023 1:56pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Why wouldn’t he milkey? Not everyone’s a racist like you.
        
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        June 12, 2023 3:19pm
      - Mike
        
        Being from Otahuhu isn’t a race, it’s simply an indicator of socio-economic status.
        
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        June 12, 2023 5:26pm
      - Ghost
        
        Is it? I knew a multi millionaire who lived in otahuhu.
        
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        June 12, 2023 5:29pm
- All_on_Red
  
  I hope the Taxpayers Union publishes a book to take advantage of the publicity and gushing from her fan girls that Cindy is going to get.
  Its an old joke but still works, ” The Achievements of Jacinda Ardern and The Labour Government”- all blank pages of course.
  I’d buy one.
  Be funny if enough sold to get it on the Best Sellers List.
  
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  June 12, 2023 12:14pm
  - kevn
    
    @Chuck… Merc/Audi V8 = maybe.
    
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    June 12, 2023 1:23pm
- Burtland
  
  whos going to write it for her – Ginge and the whinge?
  
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  June 12, 2023 12:25pm
- Paulus
  
  Not even Ghost written yet !
  
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  June 12, 2023 1:54pm
- RF
  
  I will wait until it’s in the second hand bookshop @ 2 for $2.50 a copy.
  
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  June 12, 2023 3:19pm
Maggie Pie

“New Zealand WILL be safer with National”

– Chris Luxon.

https://instagram.com/p/CsiJho2rJR4/
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June 12, 2023 1:05pm
- Ghost
  
  I see some whinger bitching about the use of AI and it is a clear violation of its use, no it’s not. I’ll tell you mariacollsgeometricart what is a clear violation. Teenagers raping multiple teen girls and getting home detention. Kids and teens committing ram raids and getting a slap on their wrist, wrap around support and back out ram raiding. People too scared of being robed and killed in their own shops. What a moron these people are.
  
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  June 12, 2023 1:23pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YIP! Even worse, they’re allowed to breed and vote 🙁
    
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    June 12, 2023 1:33pm
    - Nickc2
      
      …and the Govt uses more Taxpayer money to pay them to repeat the process over and over and over ….
      FFS, this has to end!!!!!
      
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      June 12, 2023 3:20pm
- mogg
  
  Don’t get your hopes up. Bishop at no 3 on the list is as weak as water. I spoke to him at our local market on Saturday, he is afraid to voice an opinion on anything at all, just spouts a lot of patronising claptrap. Thank God for Willis, she looks good and seems to have the political instinct, which is sadly lacking in the rest of them, it’s no wonder that Seymour is running rings around National .
  
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  June 12, 2023 2:56pm
Prince

Karl Du Fresne skewers RNZ’s latest ‘Get Luxon’ piece.
I thought RNZ could hardly get more absurd after their Moscow promotions, yet they prove me wrong again.
Fancy the Leader of the Opposition focussing on Labour weak points like tax, spending, cost of living crisis, the economy, health, hospitals, education, teachers, crime. (Yes, there are a lot of weaknesses, eh!). Whatever was Luxon thinking !
What’s worse, the National Party leader mentioned farming more often than Hipkins. Is there no end to the horror !

And the usual left wing experts are dragged in to express their outrage.

https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2023/06/rnzs-non-expose-of-year.html
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June 12, 2023 2:06pm
Dougal10

The greens tax plan is just a media circus the chances of a minor party dictating a nations tax policy are ludicrous. Shame on the nz media for giving a purely vote grabbing headline any coverage
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June 12, 2023 2:14pm
Maggie Pie

Who said this?

“There’s about a hundred thousand who are the predators. The kids you read about in the newspapers every day. Unless we do something about that cadre of young people – tens of thousands of them, born out of wedlock, without parents, without supervision, without structure, without any conscience developing, a portion of them will become the predators a few years from now. They are beyond the pale. We have no choice but to take them out of society”

(First correct answer wins the internet for today)
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June 12, 2023 2:24pm
- mandk
  
  Marama Davidson? //
  
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  June 12, 2023 2:32pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Joe Biden 1994.
  
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  June 12, 2023 2:48pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Is Beyond the Pale code for “beyond the rapids” (Запоріжжя)?
  
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  June 12, 2023 3:04pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I think it’s code for “black people”
    
    And Chuck’s right actually….he wins!!
    
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    June 12, 2023 3:15pm
  - Mike
    
    Various regions have been described as a ‘pale’. Usage in English probably originates from the pale of Anglo-Norman settlement in Ireland, the area outside that being the territory of the yet-to-be civilized Irish.
    
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    June 12, 2023 4:08pm
    - stiff cheese
      
      Is that where the ‘bog irish’ lived?
      
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      June 12, 2023 4:38pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Biden in 1993.
  
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  June 12, 2023 3:49pm
- mogg
  
  Enoch Powell ‘rivers of blood’ speech 1968.
  
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  June 12, 2023 4:14pm
Chris Nisbet

Chuckle.
Headline tells us…
“Pūhoi to Warkworth highway opening this weekend or soon afterwards”
I particularly like the inclusion of the ‘or soon afterwoods’ bit. Nothing better than certainty when making announcements.
Brave people prepared to click on the link are informed from the next headline that they mean _northbound_. No mention of when the southbound direction will open (I don’t think I missed it).
Was Labour looking for a good news story?
I wonder how long the transport bureaucrats will be able to stand looking at this shiny new piece of road without lowering the speed limit.
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June 12, 2023 2:29pm
- Nickc2
  
  What’s happened with this road between King’s Birthday weekend and next weekend?
  Oh, that’s right, Labour’s down in the polls and there’s a minister who doesn’t believe rules in the Cabinet Manual apply to him.
  Nothing’s changed since Cindy received the DCM eh?
  
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  June 12, 2023 2:40pm
Chuck Bird

I might have misjudged Luxon on his view on climate change. He appears to believe the BS put out by James Shaw. I thought he was poll-driven on the issue.

It still does not change things that much as we do not want to listen to the clowns in Climate Change Commission. If they do not have enough confidence in their opinion to debate other experts with a contrary view we should not screw our farmers on their recommendation.

How Christopher Luxon is rebranding the National Party

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/468615/how-christopher-luxon-is-rebranding-the-national-party
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June 12, 2023 2:33pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  It can be interesting to read what the Climate Commisions report actually says.
  One graph in the report (pg. 383) shows CH4 emissions from sheep/beef dropping since the 90s, and emissions from dairy essentially flat from about 2013.
  If we then look at pg. 188 we see that the effect of methane emissions doesn’t last all that long (the doc claims 50 years, but other sources say it’s around 12), and they claim that the effect of them is about 0.00006°C (yes, that much!). As this report was written before AR6, which admits they’ve overestimated the warming effect of methane by a factor of 3-4, we can cut that back to around 0.000015°C.
  As agricultural emissions have not risen since about 2007 (according the the CC document), we can conclude that the miniscule warming effect of our agricultural emissions has also not risen since then.
  And some idiots want us to commit economic suicide because of this?
  
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  June 12, 2023 4:30pm
Maggie Pie

OMG! Txt just in from my partner’s mum…

I’m sick and tired of hearing from that imbecile James Shaw. And the pack of obtuse retards who surround him. Telling ME what they want to do with MY money. Fuck off! Then keep fucking off. Keep fucking off until you get to the gate with a sign saying “you can’t fuck off past here”. Climb over that gate, keep dreaming the impossible dream, and keep fucking off forever.

LOL!!! 😀
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June 12, 2023 3:11pm
- Muttonbird
  
  [Mod – grow up]
  
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  June 12, 2023 7:12pm
Swifty

Trantifa.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11995903/The-new-face-extremism-unmasked-Republicans-watching-trantifa.html

Beware of these violent men.
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June 12, 2023 4:09pm
Burtland

Meth Destroying Tairāwhiti

RNZs Katherine Ryan on how NZ is dealing with meth addiction in the provinces …

Auckland University MRI the meth addicts brains, then put a korowai over them and give them a karakia – someone publishes some papers

so whos supplying the shit thats damaging these communities ? she didnt even ask

this country has lost the plot

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018893990/study-hopes-for-meth-impact-reversal-in-the-brain
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June 12, 2023 4:18pm
Bobba Fret

Has Michael Wood been sacked yet? If not, why not?
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June 12, 2023 4:33pm
- Dougal10
  
  Not yet as I understand , hopefully he will be gone when chippy demands he explain why his canoe agency gave out performance bonuses for pot holes.
  
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  June 12, 2023 4:56pm
- Burtland
  
  could take a while, he might need to tell him 12 times
  
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  June 12, 2023 8:03pm
Maggie Pie

ZB reporting….. one of the ferals that kicked the sh*t out of the innocent little girl outside Macca’s has been identified by Police as an 11 year old female and been referred to ‘Youth Aid’.

https://imgflip.com/i/7kptgi

Enquires into the others involved are continuing.
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June 12, 2023 4:43pm
- Ghost
  
  Referred to youth aid? She will be shitting herself laughing.
  
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  June 12, 2023 5:18pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YIP! In the words of Senator Joe Biden in 1994…
    
    “Born out of wedlock, without parents, without supervision, without structure, and without any conscience developing, they will become future predators. They need to be taken out of society”
    
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    June 12, 2023 5:35pm
Dougal10

Chippy avoiding hard questions from reporters this week , the word is out if you embarrass me no trip to china for you.
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June 12, 2023 5:22pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Chippie is viewed as a liteweight on the international stage, completely lacking in persona and management skills…..
  
  https://spectator.com.au/2023/06/kiwis-are-tiring-of-new-zealands-blundering-prime-minister/
  
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  June 12, 2023 5:43pm
  - Muttonbird
    
    The Spectator, lol.
    
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    June 12, 2023 7:08pm
    - kevn
      
      @mutt… LOL
      
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      June 12, 2023 7:56pm
    - Swifty
      
      Hahahahahaha!
      
      Old Mutton doesn’t even attempt a rebuttal, he just shoots the messenger.
      
      Or tries to.
      
      Typical behaviour from the left.
      
      Lazy. Nasty. No class.
      
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      June 12, 2023 8:10pm
  - Swifty
    
    That’s a very fair and balanced article actually.
    
    It presents the facts about Hipkins’ weak leadership and errant MPs and considers possible implications without making predictions.
    
    No wonder Mutton hates it.
    
    If it were an exact copy in the Guardian, about Key or Luxon, Mutton would be singing its praises.
    
    Suck it up Muttonbird.
    
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    June 12, 2023 8:15pm
kevn

@Maggie… It is all unravelling for hipkins. In more ways than is apparent.
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June 12, 2023 7:06pm
Ghost

We are not alone: The UFO whistleblower speaks

“I came from a blue-collar family in Pittsburgh and had the money for college,” said Grusch. “I always admired people in uniform and I’ve always wanted to be a part of something bigger than myself.”

About 18 years ago he received an Air Force scholarship in physics. He was originally commissioned on active duty and served 14 years in the Air Force.

He became a career intelligence officer, Grusch spent time on the ground in Afghanistan, and other places he can’t mention, before rotating back to Washington, D.C.

“And my last position, which I left in April of 2023, I co-lead the UAP portfolio for the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency and some of the highest officials within the Department of Defense and intelligence community used to call on me to advise them on some of the hardest target sets that the country had,” Grusch said.

He told NewsNation he was entrusted with some of the country’s most intimate secrets.

The most earth-shattering of those secrets, he claims, were revealed after 2019, when he was invited to join the UAP task force.

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We are not alone: The UFO whistleblower speaks. Full interview
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June 12, 2023 7:09pm
Muttonbird

[Mod – disgusting, you can take a ban for that]
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June 12, 2023 7:16pm
Inandout

Jennifer Sey on why she left San Francisco, the fear of speaking out and the madness of the covid lockdowns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_jyOZnuzk4
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