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Grunter

Here is a very good watch regards the Ukraine war. I know DPF and a bunch of others dismiss this type of commentary and analysis as pro-Russia propaganda, but I’d encourage you to open your mind for 30 minutes and have a watch.

Kim Iversen’s does a decent commentary of a recent presentation by John Mearsheimer, a Professor at Chicago University and a well-respected political scientist and geopolitics expert. He talks about three things;
1. Why there is a war
2. Where is the war at right now
3. What is most likely to happen next

He puts himself in the shoes of the Ukrainians, the Russians and NATO. The ultimate conclusion is very scary stuff, and I think the world is past the point of no return. Others, such as Martin Armstrong also agree with this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJD4ub85-so
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June 11, 2023 8:01am
- Jim
  
  It’s hoped those downticks are from people who listened to the full presentation, and then disagreed with Mearsheimer’s analysis. However that’s considered unlikely as many find life easier to believe a simpler interpretation (e.g. expansionist Putin is mad) of complex geopolitical tensions, parroted by the same corporate news organisations that justified atrocities like an unlawful (nil UN support) invasion of Iraq based upon falsified US intelligence that described Weapons of Mass Destruction that could reach Europe.
  With many such examples of blatantly false war propaganda in the West, you would expect people today to be a little more circumspect of believing the MSM narratives.
  
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  June 11, 2023 11:34am
  - Hard Cheese
    
    I didn’t bother listening to his analysis because the first item on the list tells me the video is completely irrelevant. You don’t need a Professor from Chicago University to tell you why there’s a war – Russia moved their troops across the border into a sovereign country. Whether Putin is mad as a hatter or completely sane is also irrelevant. His army is killing (and worse) civilians. Russian history is only interesting to buck toothed anorak wearers, and you can stick your media conspiracies and geopolitical whataboutism, well, you know where.
    
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    June 11, 2023 12:38pm
    - Grunter
      
      Hard Cheese – you have a very naive view of the world. But hey, if blocking reality and avoiding different points of view is your thing, then good on you.
      
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      June 11, 2023 12:59pm
      - Hard Cheese
        
        I take a very simple view of civilians being killed, raped and tortured. If overcomplicating it helps you avoid that reality and makes you feel intellectually superior, well, you do you.
        
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        June 11, 2023 1:11pm
    - cjn
      
      Russian history should interest you if you are a New Zealander. We sent thousands of young men to Europe in 1939 to fight Nazism and it was the Russians that did the job of defeating that regime. The Eastern Front was where the victory came from. General MacArthur acknowledged that and held the Allied troops back from taking Berlin to give the honour to the Russians.
      
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      June 11, 2023 4:55pm
      - CRM114
        
        @cjn. Not Russia, the Soviet Union, of which Belarus and Ukraine were a part of. Where many of the civilian atrocities happened and where many of the fighting force was drawn from. Stalin wasn’t even ethnic Russian.
        To give Russians full credit is a highly dubious version of history and chauvinistic.
        To further erode your credibility, General MacArthur was in the Pacific theater, it was Eisenhower who was Supreme Commander of the Allied Expeditionary Force in Europe. He didn’t hold back Allied forces to ‘honor’ the ‘Russians’. He did it because it was pointless fighting for a trophy city that they’d have to hand over to the Soviets as part of the Potsdam Conference.
        
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        June 11, 2023 6:13pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      and we worry about NZ Education system when People like Hard Cheese are not open minded enough to look at an alternative point of view. He also seems to overlook Mearsheimer as just a Professor from Chicargo.
      
      Ho hum. and we wonder why Kiwis voted labour, because of a Professor from Otago.
      
      Extract(not that closed minds will be remotely interested)
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mearsheimer
      
      …………………………………………….
      Nuclear weapons and Ukraine
      Main article: Nuclear weapons and Ukraine
      After the end of the Soviet Union, the newly independent Ukraine had a large arsenal of nuclear weapons on its territory. However, in 1994, Ukraine agreed to give up nuclear arms and become a member of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty; within two years, it had removed all atomic weapons. Almost alone among observers, Mearsheimer was opposed to that decision because he saw that Ukraine without a nuclear deterrent would likely be subjected to aggression by Russia.[70] As early as 1993, he suggested that Ukraine should retain its nuclear weapons as a deterrent.[1][71]
      
      2014 Crimean crisis
      Mearsheimer had warned in 1993 that a nuclear-free Ukraine would remain exposed to the danger of Russian attempts at reconquest.
      
      …………………………………..
      
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      June 11, 2023 9:34pm
    - paulscott
      
      Keep you eyes in the New Zealand TV,. Cheese.
      
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      June 12, 2023 12:24am
  - paulscott
    
    The Red tick people will not have looked at the Video. Red tick people on Ukraine are uninterested in anything other than the sop they get fed from MSM , which in this case is categorically hogwash. They will all be vaccinated, and ready for the next series.
    
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    June 12, 2023 12:18am
- BarryB
  
  There are as many views on the politics and the morality of this war as the number of people asked.
  But the more important aspect is the reality of the situation – which is that no matter what happens from here on, the big loser – by a long shot – is the Ukraine.
  The country is slowly being wrecked. Infrastructure is shot. Roads, bridges, buildings, the distribution systems (roads, rail, electricity) power stations, etc, etc are being destroyed. Some of that destruction has been done by Ukrainian forces.
  In the US the military are starting to say things like “Hey – China is in this direction. Why are we depleting our inventory of top grade materials for the Ukraine?”
  The reality is that the East of Ukraine is ethnically Russian. They speak Russian, theyve been in armed conflict with Ukraine for years.
  When the war finishes – and it will (either because the US says they are no longer interested or the EU says that its time for Ukraine to talk) the Ukraine will be a ruined country. And Russia will not be paying the fix the mess and the EU will call for everyone who supported the Ukraine to put up.
  Yes – its all very smug to say the Russians are naughty and its good to feel to be on the moral high ground – but will all those anti Russians put their hands in their pockets when asked ….. I think not.
  
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  June 11, 2023 11:45am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    The Ukrainians will be looking forward to a latter day Marshall Plan
    
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    June 11, 2023 7:09pm
- freemark
  
  Very good analysis & listen. Thanks for posting this.
  
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  June 11, 2023 5:01pm
  - Grunter
    
    Thanks for your comment. I’m glad you found some value in the link I posted. It amazes me that DPF and at least 50% of the Kiwi Blog followers soak up the MSM rubbish on the Ukraine situation, but on most other topics they can see through the BS. Take the TVNZ Nazi reference, we all see through that, but as soon as Russia is mentioned the “good guy vs bad guy” blinkers go on and suddenly the MSM is 100% correct. And the Ukraine situation has the real potential to turn into “The Last World War” if it continues to escalate as it is. So this REALLY matters more than any other issue. I’m gob smacked at how blind most people are at the moment.
    
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    June 11, 2023 9:25pm
    - paulscott
      
      There have been plenty of videos which show the Azov group [now demolished ] in bunkers with Nazi symbols on the walls, their uniforms and their skin tattoos. Conditioned TV-watching liberals wouldn’t watch that reality though. Luxon is compellingly ignorant. He compared the coke snorting dancing queen comic Zelensky as a modern day Chrurchill . New Zealand is largely closed off to reality. that’s why we’re buggered.
      
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      June 12, 2023 12:31am
artemisia

2017, promises made by a new Prime Minister, link below.

What Labour promised, but will they deliver?

(But but but … Covid.)

With 6 years in Opposition to plan, and taking into account ‘events dear boy’, I hope a different government will be looking to get some runs on the board very very quickly. As an example, National had a revised RMA Bill ready to go in 2017, the result of planning for a less problematic set of parties.It would be surprising if that is not the case also this coming October.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/10/what-labour-promised.html
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June 11, 2023 8:09am
- paulscott
  
  The Key Government’s one outstanding achievement. Increasing the RMA from about 400 pages to about 800 pages.
  
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  June 12, 2023 12:34am
Bridgenag

Blaming Victims for Failures of Government

By Ramesh Thakur
“Over the last decade the high priests of the Heavenly Kingdom of Woke have successfully colonised most civic, political, corporate, media, and sporting institutions in the professional-managerial ranks. Their worldview and value system has become the ascendant religion in Western societies and those who would challenge the metaphysical beliefs and rites of the Holy Woke Empire are the minority cultural deviants.
You can praise any culture in the world except Western but must blame only Western culture for all the world’s ills. We are creating a society in which no one is responsible for what s/he himself did, but we are all responsible for what somebody else did decades and centuries in the past.”
https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/blaming-victims-for-failures-of-government?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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June 11, 2023 8:10am
Bridgenag

….police sirens and eagle helicopter out early…….gangs must have sent the kids out for supplies……..Looks like several spots….. Jaffa town
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June 11, 2023 8:12am
G152

So who is the ‘reporter’ who rewrote Russian news in glowing terms and will his/her history be examined and why didnt an editor cut such off before it began ?
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June 11, 2023 8:15am
- Che Guava
  
  More to the point, what does the conflict in Ukraine have to do with us? We aren’t at war with Russia. There are plenty of other conflicts going on around the world, yet we never hear about them. Why not? We never hear about them because the interests of the powerful don’t require that our attention be focused on these conflicts (in fact, the less we know about these conflicts the better, given the involvement of these powerful people). I’m not of the school that supports a given country in a conflict, simply because I am told to do so. Many who support Ukraine (for reasons they couldn’t articulate) would probably support Russia tomorrow without blinking, if the TV or Twitter told you to.
  
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  June 11, 2023 10:41am
  - Colville
    
    What does it have to do with us?
    The dam that got blown up…. One million acres of agricultural land is now not irrigated. Bread at $10 a loaf soon?
    
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    June 11, 2023 11:37am
  - Taieri
    
    Many who support Ukraine (for reasons they couldn’t articulate)
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    There’s only one reason to support Ukraine. No aggression is ever justified. Ukraine was never a threat to Russia.
    
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    June 11, 2023 11:52am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Yes indeed. However how do you define aggression ?
      It is about NATO and its encroachment Eastwards.
      In the eyes of the Russians, This is aggression.
      Unfortunately Ukraine is collateral damage which , I believe was not the intension of Russia.
      The agression can be seen from both sets if shoes and in all honesty Nato had been warned continuously for the last decade that Ukraine was a Red line.
      With that in mind, And all verifiable.
      Who is the agressor?
      
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      June 11, 2023 12:24pm
      - Stephen Russell
        
        Russia is the aggressor. Russia has no right to dictate the policy of Ukraine, or dictate that Ukraine must be their bitch. If they want to be irrational and fear a NATO invasion that’s their problem.
        
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        June 11, 2023 1:23pm
      - Taieri
        
        However how do you define aggression ?
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        A hostile military attack involving breach of a country borders inflicting damage on the population and infrastructure. Of course an aggression can also be carried out from a distance.
        
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        June 11, 2023 1:28pm
    - paulscott
      
      it has little to do with Ukraine The war is with NATO who broke the Minsk agreement and the Minro doctrine.
      
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      June 12, 2023 12:37am
  - cjn
    
    Yes I often wonder why we have to pray for Ukraine in Morning Service when there are people dying in Israel/Palestine, Syria, Afghanistan, Colombia, Nigeria etc etc. Not to mention that the Ukrainians are burning the Russian Orthodox churches apparently.
    
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    June 11, 2023 5:00pm
- Burtland
  
  NZ media has hit a new low – is that possible?
  
  MediaWatch covered this on RedRadio this morning – its all hastily being buried. Part of the Minister of Broadcasting’s new democracy? Russian Embassy still open?
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018893783/rnz-investigating-kremlin-friendly-story-edits
  
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  June 11, 2023 11:05am
  - Ra Henare
    
    You mean the original pro Ukrainian report was altered to include more balance? more information?
    
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    June 11, 2023 2:13pm
    - Dougal10
      
      The probably ran the reuters story through chatGP and this is what popped out.
      
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      June 11, 2023 5:30pm
  - Ghost
    
    How has it been buried, been reported by all media. Thing about the news is new stories happen, and the old stories are replaced in the main page with new stories, doesn’t mean it’s been buried
    
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    June 11, 2023 2:36pm
Chuck Bird

Has Ardern altered the course of NZ?

https://commonroomnz.com/dr-oliver-hartwich-has-ardern-altered-the-course-of-nz/
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June 11, 2023 8:23am
- Mike
  
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  No.
  
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  June 11, 2023 8:24am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Probably, but definately not for the better.
  
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  June 11, 2023 8:33am
- artemisia
  
  “… an avalanche of centralisation”
  
  Yip, yip, that’s what is is.
  
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  June 11, 2023 8:33am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Ardern tried. Fortunately, she neither had the in-depth understanding and intellect nor the strength in her team to make an enduring change. The damage she inflicted has been severe but it can be repaired. Focused dynamic leadership that has integrity and the balls could undo much of the worst of the Ardern years.
  
  Is that type of leadership waiting in the wings? Time will tell. A great deal of the workload and initiative will be on Seymour’s and his team’s shoulders. The jury is out. We wont know for a year or two. What we do know is that it is absolutely crucial the Ardern legacy gets smashed.
  
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  June 11, 2023 8:51am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    LET’S UNDO THIS !
    
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    June 11, 2023 8:52am
3-coil

Radio NZ is panicking, trying to find out what happened after being caught out with their latest broadcast of disinformation/misinformation after passing off counterfeit and forged fake news items and this time attributing them to Reuters!

Why their big fuss? RNZ regularly broadcasts biased misinformation and leftist propaganda – so often that we (the listeners) are no longer even surprised! They evidently don’t realise they’re doing it – it’s just their devious woke “reality”, evidently you have to be outside looking in to even see it! Will they go back and correct Corrin Dan’s lies on Morning Report? Or Suzee Fergusson’s wild lies, hysterical exaggerations and disinformation before she was dumped?

If RNZ have nothing to hide, open it up to the public to identify their mis/disinformation (“lies” is easier) for them. There are so cringeworthy and regular, there will be a continuous supply for them to (cough) “investigate”.
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June 11, 2023 8:26am
- Burtland
  
  self styled media police, MediaWatch, should be holding media’s feet to the fire but are just another bunch of deluded lefties.
  
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  June 11, 2023 11:18am
Colville

Pity the Hurricanes didn’t steal it last night. Would have been a classic. But either way it’s Cruisers Vs The Boys from Foggybottom in two weeks time.
Razors boys looking very sharp.
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June 11, 2023 8:29am
- Gravelroad
  
  Except the Crusaders finished the last 10 minutes of the game with 13 players due to injuries.
  Including R. Mounga………..
  
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  June 11, 2023 9:35am
  - pdm
    
    Fortunately only cramp I saw somewhere earlier.
    
    Mo’unga was outstanding while he was on the field last night.
    
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    June 11, 2023 6:24pm
- Opie
  
  There’s absolutely no way that part of that ball wasn’t touching the grass when savea went over at the end. Unless that guys hand is bigger than a rugby ball?
  
  After not watching a lot of rugby over recent years, it’s amazing how far behind the production is compared to the nrl.
  
  Also two high tackles to jordie Barrett went unnoticed, both would be yellow cards if a hurricane had done it with about 400 replays.
  
  A thriller none the less, I can’t keep up with the rule changes but it’s a bit more watchable now then previous seasons, just need to drop the league rules they have crammed into it (50/22 and goal line droput)
  
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  June 11, 2023 10:22am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    The goal line dropout is an abomination, as for 50/22! WTF is that about. Union is already a kick heavy game and you want to encourage more kicking? (I suppose the idea is to make wingers drop back to cover the kick and open space out wide, but that is a risky business spreading wide against outside in and rush defenses)
    
    If the want things to improve they should bring back rucking and outlaw the jackel…. would encourage far more bend, bind and drive over the tackle – sucking in defenders and opening space.
    
    The lack of genuine back play is horrible – the Pod centric attacks and the endless box and high cross field bomb kicking is incredibly boring to watch
    
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    June 11, 2023 11:01am
    - pdm
      
      Help please jimbob.
      
      What is the jackel?
      
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      June 11, 2023 6:27pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Correct, the very first angle showed it touching the ground over the line, the end of the ball on the ground is all that is required
    
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    June 11, 2023 11:08am
Flossie

Of course RNZ is doing the right thing looking into the “spin” on items on the Ukraine war. Though it should no way have taken such a long time to get on to it.
Do we now look forward to the media investigating the pro Labour anti Luxon items that are so prolific.
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June 11, 2023 8:30am
- Bob
  
  Do we now look forward to the media investigating…..
  Highly unlikely, it is the PIJF money that is the lifeblood of the NZ media that is at stake here!
  
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  June 11, 2023 9:53am
Maggy Wassilieff

Thugs running amok in our Hospitals?

yeah/ na/ maybe/dunno

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/06/guidelines-data-over-gang-related-conflicts-at-hospital-unclear.html
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June 11, 2023 8:43am
- Southern Raider
  
  Ginny is making a real impact. Only 800 new gang members for first 6 months of this year.
  
  We can do this
  
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  June 11, 2023 9:01am
- Gravelroad
  
  @MW
  If the hospital management/leadership is incapable of collecting data (coz of it being too hard and someone from the government might accuse them of racism) perhaps they should ask the Police for their input.
  In the article, government health employees are careful to explain that unlawful disturbances- whoever is responsible – are reported to the Police.
  If the Police attend, there should be a record of that and of who was involved.
  But, the fact is, gangs are special interest groups to this government and allegedly, to the Police.
  Gang rules must be respected.
  Hospital rules – not so much.
  
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  June 11, 2023 9:05am
  - MCōs
    
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    Why don’t you take a walk through Middlemore Hospital and see how many gang members you can pick out?
    
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    June 11, 2023 9:20am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      A rhetorical question which fails.
      Why don’t we walk through a hospital to calculate ED waiting times, nurse to patient ratios, or the average length of time for post-Op patient discharge?
      
      A: Because we don’t run/staff/manage the hospitals day to day, as members of the public.
      
      Of course violent incidents (threats/intimidation/assault), and details like gang aspects, should be measured – just like other metrics around health services.
      
      Because what is measured gets managed.
      ….opps!
      Precisely what the government DOESN’T do well anymore, while being 100% critical in running a private enterprise.
      Measurements are for proving the value of $ spend or demonstrating improvements and identifying risks and issues.
      The current government however announces spending in itself like a victory, and then proceeds to gaslight and smokescreen.
      Yes, gangs are a problem in general. Police should be responding immediately any time they fail to act within rules and norms.
      Police were happy to tackle a shopper entering a supermarkets without a mask, so why not thugs who are unwelcome/uncooperative in an ICU ward?
      
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      June 11, 2023 9:33am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Because we already pay people to do that.
        
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        June 11, 2023 1:43pm
- PeeJay
  
  There was an issue with one of the gangs, mongrel mob I think, in Christchurch hospital a month or so ago. One of them was in for treatment so there were loads of them around. They were causing a nuisance, commandeering parking spaces, revving the bikes, intimidating staff and other visitors. Hospital did the square root of fuck all and I seem to recall the police weren’t keen either – probably too busy ticketing folks doing a km or two over the limit somewhere – you know, the real criminals!
  
  Sure that would have been recorded by Te Whatu Ora and sure they would have required all patches to be removed – not!
  
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  June 11, 2023 9:53am
  - Ghost
    
    That was December last year, and when the police contacted the hospital they were told they weren’t needed.
    
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    June 11, 2023 9:57am
    - PeeJay
      
      Apologies and thanks Ghost (and Gaetano). Meant to write ‘a few months ago’ but hit post before double checking.
      
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      June 11, 2023 11:54am
  - Gaetano
    
    It was in December. I was there. The reports were accurate.
    
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    June 11, 2023 10:19am
  - Paulus
    
    If it was recorded by Te Whata Ora how many people would understand the language ?
    Would there be a translation there too !
    
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    June 11, 2023 1:15pm
Opie

James Shaw, the jet setting climate hypocrite has now said a wealth tax will end poverty.

I’m not linking the article, or going to read it.

No matter how much money you give an uneducated loser, they will still spend it on booze and drugs. They will just buy more

He can give away more of his own money if he likes, it’s not like he does anything to earn it. Keep your hands off mine though.
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June 11, 2023 9:00am
- Bob
  
  a wealth tax will end poverty……..
  NO JAMES, a wealth tax will end employment opportunities for all but the educated, qualified and motivated citizens.
  A relatively small number by the look of the benefit and unemployment (in various categories) numbers.
  
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  June 11, 2023 9:57am
  - Gaetano
    
    The guy is a menace. I can’t understand why Luxon insists on a bipartisan approach to climate change policies when the guy develops ruinous policies.
    
    https://www.politik.co.nz/luxon-backs-james-shaw/
    
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    June 11, 2023 10:24am
    - leoj
      
      Luxon’s failure to read the room is exactly why his own polling is negative and exactly why the Nats cannot break 36%.
      
      Luxon is holding his party back.
      
      The people see through him as a woke flip flopper.
      
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      June 11, 2023 11:25am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Listened to Willis in her Newshub interview, asked when are you going to tell us how you will pay god tax cuts, she said soon she will be announcing the fully costed budget and where huge savings will come from.
  
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  June 11, 2023 11:13am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  The Greens talk about lifting everyone above the poverty line. But, poverty in NZ is expressed as a percentage of the mean income, IIRC. By definition, there’s only one way of achieving that, which is to have everyone in identical incomes.
  
  This is the thin edge of the Green wedge.
  
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  June 11, 2023 2:05pm
  - Hard Cheese
    
    The real question is how to get the Greens above the intellectual poverty line
    
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    June 11, 2023 6:43pm
- Opie
  
  Eventually I had to read it.
  
  Increase the company tax from 28 to 33% and then give everyone else more money.
  
  Does he say this stuff out loud before releasing it?
  
  What will that do to the price of everything, now you have lumped business with these extra cost? Do you think that might cause prices to go up? And who pays for the extra costs? The poor with their new extra money.
  
  The result? The poor can still only afford what they could before.
  
  How can these people even get any airtime with this?
  
  Fucking moron.
  
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  June 11, 2023 2:44pm
- Gaetano
  
  WTF? In 2017 Jacinda devoted her government to ending child poverty. Did she fail or something?
  
  Six years on we get this menace Shaw telling us “we need to end poverty”. These people deserve notjing but derision.
  
  The policies of the last 6 years have CAUSED poverty. What are the surest two ways to cause misery to low income folk with children?
  
  1. Increase rents (thanks Jacinda, Grant, Phil and Adrian)
  
  2. Run monetary policies that increase food prices.
  
  And James Shaw now says “Oh we need to end poverty.”
  
  Luxon should have NOTHING to do with James Shaw and to instruct his colleagues to attack him. Every day.
  
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  June 11, 2023 3:01pm
- rouppe
  
  Kicks in at $2 million.
  
  So a mortgage free house and a lifetime of savings means you’re kicking back $50,000 pa minimum to James Shaw.
  
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  June 11, 2023 4:37pm
Southern Raider

Apparently the publisher is looking for titles of Ardern’s upcoming book. Any suggestions

“Better to have aspiration, than achievement”

“Child Poverty, even Bob Geldof couldn’t solve it”

“How to force medical treatments on your populous and remain adored”
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June 11, 2023 9:01am
- Flossie
  
  What about the good old one…”The Emperor’s New Clothes” ?
  
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  June 11, 2023 9:40am
  - RF
    
    Don’t do as I do…. Do as I say !!!
    
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    June 11, 2023 9:44am
- Gaetano
  
  “Artificial Intelligence”
  
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  June 11, 2023 10:26am
  - Paulus
    
    Intelligence presumes that Dame Jacinda had any !
    She is a con artist.
    
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    June 11, 2023 1:17pm
- Ghost
  
  How to kill a country for dummies.
  
  Btw, you know this will be made into a box office flop movie
  
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  June 11, 2023 10:28am
- nathie
  
  “Kindness and Clueless”.
  
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  June 11, 2023 10:47am
  - Biscuit
    
    ‘Jessica then Tova’
    
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    June 11, 2023 12:08pm
- wairarapapaul
  
  They’ve already made Idiocracy
  
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  June 11, 2023 12:35pm
- rouppe
  
  “Premises, premises, premises”
  
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  June 11, 2023 4:39pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I refude that!
  
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  June 11, 2023 7:13pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Q & A atm. That repugnant little prick Jack Tame interviewing himself again.
So rude with interruptions. Obvious he likes the questions – the answers, not so much.
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June 11, 2023 9:33am
- Bob
  
  the answers, not so much…
  doubt that Tame would understand the answers!
  
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  June 11, 2023 9:59am
- Iamright
  
  Repugnant. That description is
  a bit tame!!
  
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  June 11, 2023 10:25am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Repugnant. That description is all tame!!
    
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    June 11, 2023 7:14pm
- Jack5
  
  Would be great entertainment if a politician being interviewed grabbed Tame by his pink tie and said, “Listen, you Left wing c—-!”d
  
  But today, Tame turned it into an interrogation about capital gains tax. Ardern rejected any look at CGT, and she also banned gas and oil exploration, another line of attack for Tame. As for Luxon’s housing investments, this seems to be the most common savings line for all MPs and former MPs. Luxon seemed to do well until Tame honed in on CGT.
  
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  June 11, 2023 10:36am
- Unity
  
  Tame was an utter pain to listen to. I wanted to turn it off but also wanted to see how Luxon conducted himself. Tame is so utterly rude it beggars belief how he is in that job.
  
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  June 11, 2023 1:07pm
Littletramp

The best “read” for a long, long time popped up on my twitter feed (ironically) this morning.
This manifesto of 35,000 words was posted in the Washington Times in 1995, at the request of Ted Kaczynski, the unabomber, to stop him from continuing his bombing campaign.
It is in the vein of Jordan Peterson type opinion on human behaviour, society, etc and just an amazing commentary that had me nodding my head all the way through. Definitely not a read to hold the interest of anyone who wants just the headline.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/unabomber/manifesto.text.htm
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June 11, 2023 9:40am
citychic

Just watched Q&A also. What an unbelievably appalling line of questioning by Jack Tame on Luxon about his personal investments. Politics of envy, we should bdd celebrating success.
Bet he won’t question Hipkins like that.
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June 11, 2023 9:42am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Luxon should do to Tame what Cindy did to Hosking.
  
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  June 11, 2023 10:28am
  - Flossie
    
    I don’t want him lowering himself to her level!
    
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    June 11, 2023 10:37am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    No, he should do what Bishop did a couple of weeks ago snd tear him a new one
    
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    June 11, 2023 11:17am
Scooter

As someone commented on twitter did Chippy buy the PM job by giving Jacinda a Royal title. Seems abit too soon after her departure and one that she gave up on. What award do you earn by quitting.
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June 11, 2023 9:43am
- Dougal10
  
  Didn’t he give is mum one as well a few years ago . One for you ,one for you , hell everyone can have one .
  
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  June 11, 2023 11:07am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They usually get it the very next announcement, she doesn’t deserve it but they always receive one
  
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  June 11, 2023 11:18am
Iamright

Just watched Q A. Tame interviewing Chris Luxom. Well I guess loosely it was an interview. Tame was appalling, unprofessional and I hesitate to use some words as they are not allowed on this Blog. Politics of envy and Tame obviously has a chop on BOTH shoulders. TVNZ got an earful from me. Health warning dont watch if you have a weak heart or high blood pressure. And leave the drinks cabinet alone the sun is not yet over the yardarm
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June 11, 2023 9:46am
- Jade Warrior
  
  Yes – it was a poor performance by Tame. But I also wonder why Luxon basically played Tame’s game? If Luxon is looking for a winning strategy for taking on Tame he needs to study Nicola Willis’ approach. That line of questioning about his investment properties was totally uncalled for and Luxon should have taken Tame to task at that point.
  
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  June 11, 2023 10:01am
  - wisteria
    
    Totally agree. Jack Tame does not ever listen to the person he is “interviewing”. He doesn’t seem to realise that we are the audience not him. I think that like a lot of our politians his lack of life experience and tertiary education shows on each of his shows.
    
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    June 11, 2023 10:10am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Didn’t watch it as Tame unprofessional- but, generally, how did Mr Luxon handle it?
      Was he a convincing leader in waiting?
      
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      June 11, 2023 10:31am
- PeeJay
  
  I generally tend to follow a few simple rule with Tame.
  
  If he’s on TV (usually because the wife is watching), I leave the room. If he’s on radio (often on a panel on HDPA) I turn off the radio. If I see any article by him, I don’t read it.
  
  Simple but effective.
  
  I’m always willing to consider alternative points of view, but I can’t tolerate partisan bullshit like he constantly utters (and there are a few on the right that are the same and I avoid them also). He add’s nothing to any debate other than his utterly one-sided, vacuous view of the world.
  
  He’s best ignored.
  
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  June 11, 2023 10:18am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I just choose the ignore bit. He can be on the idiot box, but I put my tin foil hat on. Nothing gets in, therefore nothing gets out.
    
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    June 11, 2023 10:35am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The more they slam Luxon, the more support he will gain, I note a big change to his favorables in the poll yesterday, Hipkins still dropping, he better be careful, because Luxon does not have to lift too far to level up as preferred pm yo catch the lacklustre pm
  
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  June 11, 2023 11:22am
  - Paulus
    
    I will not vote for Luxon.
    He is not my local MP, so I cannot.
    We will vote for the party who will try to restore some decency to our Country
    Two Blue Ticks.
    
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    June 11, 2023 1:21pm
Chris Nisbet

I saw a headline telling us that the hydro lakes are at record levels.
This seems like a good thing, so obviously can’t be due to ‘climate change!!’ (/s). How on earth could it happen then?
Could it possibly be that ‘the climate’ is actually very variable, and we have always had very dry and very wet periods?
And yes, I know that other factors other than rainfall/snow affect the lake levels.
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June 11, 2023 9:52am
- Bob
  
  other than rainfall/snow affect the lake levels……
  only if it is a lake/dam in the Ukraine..Boom Boom!
  
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  June 11, 2023 10:01am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Labour dodged a bullet with the full lakes. Imagine if we were going into an election after a winter of power cuts.
  
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  June 11, 2023 10:31am
  - Jack5
    
    Is southern snow and snow melt important in power supply?
    
    If there’s no snow to melt in the six or so weeks leading to 17 October – voting day – and there’s a 🌞drought, could an autumn power crisis be raging then?
    
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    June 11, 2023 10:58am
    - Ghost
      
      I’ve been stocking up for power cuts, not only because it’s a winter thing but I have full confidence that we will hit shortages due to the wind farms
      
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      June 11, 2023 11:00am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Three years of La Nina have left the hydro lakes full. However the weather cycle is in the process of reverting to an El Nino pattern, which leads to pressure on the lakes due to generally dry, windy conditions in the east. We should be grateful for small mercies, this year at least.
  
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  June 11, 2023 10:34am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yes indeed. However how do you define aggression ?
    It is about NATO and its encroachment Eastwards.
    In the eyes of the Russians, This is aggression.
    Unfortunately Ukraine is collateral damage which , I believe was not the intension of Russia.
    The agression can be seen from both sets if shoes and in all honesty Nato had been warned continuously for the last decade that Ukraine was a Red line.
    With that in mind, And all verifiable.
    Who is the agressor?
    
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    June 11, 2023 12:30pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  hydro lakes are at record levels.
  
  Whew…. shouldn’t be any blackouts this winter, then.
  
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  June 11, 2023 10:56am
  - sirknz
    
    They were near full last year and we had brown outs around the country last winter.
    
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    June 11, 2023 11:20am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Don’t count on it. We’ve come very close to disaster in recent times. The Transpower live data site has shown all generation types going full tilt, and if the ‘liquid’ generation (aka diesel), then you can be sure there’s not much left in reserve.
    Unexpected generation outages can leave us on the ragged edge.
    
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    June 11, 2023 11:43am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Well, at the beginning of floods in Auckland they mentioned the added water in the atmosphere from the Tongan volcano. They stated heavey rains will happen until that water dissipates, they said the same in Aussie. Since then the volcano water has disappeared from reporting (all though reported by the weather man to start with)
  
  Mother Nature will do what she wants
  
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  June 11, 2023 11:26am
Tony Stuart

This is an outstanding policy announcement from Judith Collins and National, something she has been working on for a long while:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/national-promises-to-end-genetic-engineering-ban/GYERBEKCIZARVLG3GVXESQSLSM/

GE/GM technology has developed quickly since Helen Clark’s government banned it in the early 2000’s. There is no good reason to retain the ban, provided there is competent oversight. And all the while, we are lagging behind countries who have “followed the science” and embraced GM.

People who are complaining that National is simply Labour Lite will have to eat their words as far as this policy goes. There’s plenty more to come, and voters in October will be presented with a clear choice between National and Labour.
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June 11, 2023 10:32am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They should eat their words on most policies, the main fact is to get better grasses to help cows and sheep lower their emissions greatly, then they need to modify grass growth.
  
  Why is it that roses have always been modified and no problem, Hybrids are modified
  
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  June 11, 2023 11:29am
  - Drone
    
    Hi @G they don’t need to reduce the emissions greatly, they are simply going to reduce the number of animals even more greatly. //
    
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    June 11, 2023 12:36pm
  - rouppe
    
    Every new apple variety is genetic engineering.
    
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    June 11, 2023 4:43pm
Hugh Jarse

I have given up watching National leaders being interviewed on TV. It’s pointless to expect useful information to be introduced because of the interview style and bias. It’s going to get a lot worse before the election, the tag line was obvious yesterday with the Hitler references. When the repeaters talk like that, there have to be serious questions asked as to how we got to a point that the media here are no better than their Russians counterparts.

National are doing the right thing with a strategy of focussing on public meetings and social media to present Luxon and National policies unpolluted by the media’s bias presented as analysis.
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June 11, 2023 10:39am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Agree wholeheartedly HJ. Over the last couple of days I have seen lots of social media posts referring to Tame as a National Party stooge, and even suggesting he was Luxon’s publicist. Did that ever go out the window this morning!
  
  As for the Lebensborn/Hitler question to Luxon this week, the questioner was one Cushla Norman from TVNZ. It’s a pretty appalling display of bias from a journalist employed by the state-owned TVNZ, and one can only imagine how much worse things could have become has the merger of TVNZ and RNZ gone ahead, especially given the revelations of the last 48 hours.
  
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  June 11, 2023 10:52am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The vulgarity of media will gain Luxon support, just look at his favorables improving 5% in a month, as Hipkins drops yet again
  
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  June 11, 2023 11:32am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
Blenheim meeting today, 3pm Senior Citizens Hall, 166 High St, Blenheim.
Doesn’t say confirmed yet.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/event-in-gorgeous-picton-a-picture-perfect-success/
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June 11, 2023 10:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  https://issuu.com/esisite/docs/3481_jb_-_go-governance_-_a5_booklet_-_online
  
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  June 11, 2023 10:50am
Maggie Pie

Nicola Willis is going to make a fab Deputy PM 😀

Bomber Bradbury agrees as well….

https://twitter.com/CitizenBomber/status/1667332268447203329
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June 11, 2023 10:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  She certainly knows how to grill Chippie.
  
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  June 11, 2023 10:51am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, yes definitely the power behind the dome.
  
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  June 11, 2023 12:37pm
Southern Raider

National has just gone full on nuclear attach on the Greens

Lifting the stupid ban on GE/GM is great and the Greens will loose their small minds

National needs to make sure for once they have some clear talking points like raising “you can’t talk about farm emissions and not accept GE modified feed is a solution” and “you can’t accept the science is settled on climate change and covid vaccines but not that the science on GE/GM makes sense”
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June 11, 2023 11:01am
- Littletramp
  
  The Greens lifted the ban themselves when they went along with the mandatory phizer injections.
  
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  June 11, 2023 11:11am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  As I said above this will help produce grasses that give off 30-40% less emissions, but of course the greens will hate it.
  
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  June 11, 2023 11:34am
crikey

Dr John Campbell’s latest post on his YouTube channel, about the UK’s Counter-Disinformation Unit, is a must read for anyone at all concerned about manipulation of information (about Covid-19) and freedom of speech.
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June 11, 2023 11:54am
Maggie Pie

My partner wonders if he’s any relation?

Australia deports 21 year old Maori by the name of Mahuta back to NZ…. after he clocked up more 70 convictions including those for violent assaults!

https://twitter.com/rnz_news/status/1667411414179524609
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June 11, 2023 11:54am
- PeterB
  
  Pure untermenschen.
  
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  June 11, 2023 1:57pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Assuming it’s his family name, undoubtedly. Though may not be close family.
  
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  June 11, 2023 7:19pm
Close Hen Counters

I have had to have a wee lie down having read the Green Party tax policy (I would love to do the link from Newshub to kiwiblog but am a technically deficient piece of poultry) – top tax rate 45%, company tax rate 33% …. Everyone who doesn’t work gets richer …. And kill me, Māori stuff tax free – why the hell would anyone want to vote for these roaring idiots
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June 11, 2023 12:16pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  This old chook can help you out..
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/06/election-2023-greens-propose-guaranteed-income-tax-cuts-for-some-new-top-rate-wealth-tax.html
  
  Love the paid Tertiary student thingee…
  
  For students, the $385 per week allowance would be available to anyone regardless of their level of study, age or parental income. They will also receive this even if their partner works.
  
  I wonder if I can get it on top of my super….
  
  Might be time to restart my B.A….
  
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  June 11, 2023 12:44pm
- Drone
  
  @CHC this is the paragraph “To pay for this, the Greens would introduce a 2.5 percent wealth tax on net assets. This would only apply to assets above $2 million in the case of individuals or $4 million for couples.
  
  The tax would apply to most forms of wealth and assets, including properties, shares, bonds and artwork. But not to furniture, electronics or vehicles with a value of less than $50,000.
  
  “Māori land under the Te Ture Whenua Māori Act would be exempt and so would the assets of Post-Settlement Governance Entities, such as land returned under a Treaty Settlement or vested in a Treaty Settlement Entity,” the policy document says.”
  
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  June 11, 2023 12:45pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Good on the Greens, I say. They’ve set out their stall.
  
  Now we can have conversations with the Wadestown & Remuera Greenies about exactly how much a Green government would cost them.
  
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  June 11, 2023 12:48pm
- Gravelroad
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132289369/greens-promise-tax-cuts-for-salaries-under-125000-and-385-per-week-income-guarantee
  
  There you go, cluck, cluck.
  Greens are coming for you!
  
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  June 11, 2023 1:08pm
jon

Polling in Germany is interesting where the AFD, Alternative For Germany has doubled its support since the last election in 2021 and is poised to replace the Social Democrats as the second most popular party after the Christian Democrats. Interesting too is the reaction of the other parties to this surge for the AFD, like how can it be. Suggest the answer is largely in polls on immigration, that show 65% are very concerned about this issue.
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June 11, 2023 12:25pm
- Colville
  
  Merkel’s legacy.
  One million North Africans.
  
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  June 11, 2023 1:22pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Well, only if the Middle East is in North Africa.
    
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    June 11, 2023 7:21pm
MCōs

Judging by the standard of the NZ players in the Super rugby playoffs the ABs will be out of RWC around the time of the elections.
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June 11, 2023 12:49pm
- Colville
  
  As always with the RWC it will come down to a lucky bounce of the ball and who gets injured.
  
  France or us to take it out.
  
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  June 11, 2023 1:24pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Never bet against the All Blacks
  
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  June 11, 2023 7:22pm
Gravelroad

Daily Mail reports Air Crash in the Amazon Jungle story:
Small plane crashes in jungle.
3 adults killed – mother of four, pilot and an “indigenous leader”.
The four children, aged between 13 years and 11 months, survive crash – apparently uninjured.
Children live in totally isolated conditions for 40 days and have just been rescued in reasonable conditions.
Believe it or not.
Is it unusual for three adults to be killed in a small plane air crash and four kids, including a baby, survive?
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June 11, 2023 1:59pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/questions-raised-over-miracle-survival-of-four-children-after-amazon-plane-crash/J7TCOATKUVEZHKDKR77ECJTWIQ/
  
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  June 11, 2023 3:23pm
Maggie Pie

Shot down to Newmarket b4 to buy some new makeup and have a look around.

Anyone else get the feeling that shop assistants couldn’t give a flying-f*ck about customers these days?

Just saying 🙁
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June 11, 2023 2:06pm
- rangitoto
  
  Different story over the ditch based on my visit over there recently.
  
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  June 11, 2023 2:33pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Couldn’t agree more. We were there a couple of months ago and felt right at home….everyone in retail is sooo welcoming.
    
    Problem here is, friends tell me I’m too nice to people.
    
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    June 11, 2023 3:10pm
MCōs

Today I sat with my family and reminisced about warm days in foreign lands far away from Auckland airport shares
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June 11, 2023 2:07pm
Chuck Bird

Did anyone else see Luxon get talked over by Tame on Q + A this morning? I think Luxn needs some media training from someone like Wayne Brown or David Seymour. Tame accused him of being corrupt like Wood. He claimed Luxon promoted legislation to personally benefit.
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June 11, 2023 2:12pm
- Gaetano
  
  No I am pleased I did not see it. I don’t watch New Zealand TV. Surely the answer is don’t appear on that show. Tear the interviewer a new one and never come back.
  
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  June 11, 2023 3:08pm
Gaetano

Jacinda writes an opinion piece in the Washington Post about how to control Artificial Intelligence.

The answer is the “Christchurch Call” 🙂

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/06/09/jacinda-ardern-ai-new-zealand-planning/

Whatever that is.
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June 11, 2023 3:07pm
- Ghost
  
  Is this the same Jacinda Ardern who was going on the USA talk shows talking about gun control back in New Zealand when there were gang shoot ups of houses going on? I would think artificial intelligence may be a benefit to her, she lacks any real intelligence.
  
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  June 11, 2023 3:12pm
  - Jack5
    
    Ardern has a nose for hype.
    
    Artificial intelligence has been around for a long time. It’s teen through what some called “AI winters,” when funding dried up because the current type of AI failed to meet expectations.
    
    As two current writers on the technologies put it: “AI is in a new hype phase because of machine learning, a technology that helps computers learn from data”.
    
    Everywhere at present hypsters are touting AI as the “new” technology and economic panacea.
    
    What if those who would control free speech, people like Ardern and the bullshit Disinformation Project mob, had been round in the time of Gutenberg?
    
    Oh that’s right, they were! There were book burnings, smashing of printing presses, executions of rebel writers, and the Roman Catholic Church’s Index Librorum Prohibitorum — its list of banned books.
    
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    June 11, 2023 5:45pm
Maggie Pie

There’s a little article in the Horrid about Breakfast presenter Matty McClean and his hubby currently honeymooning in Spain.

My partner reckoned it was a bit rich to see them described as “A-Listers”….
but thinking about it, I’m not so sure 😛
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June 11, 2023 3:19pm
- PeterB
  
  G Listers more like.
  
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  June 11, 2023 5:36pm
- Gaetano
  
  went over my head 🙁
  
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  June 11, 2023 6:12pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Not very Green, eh
  
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  June 11, 2023 7:24pm
Ghost

Saw a sign above the bridge in town with a website for people to go to for help with abuse. Problem is the website was a Māori name. Surely it would be better to have a website url that everyone can remember, a simple one.
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June 11, 2023 3:47pm
kevn

@CB… That j.tame guy is certainly a jumped up prat.
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June 11, 2023 3:51pm
Flossie

How is any poor widow/widower with a property of any reasonable value suddenly going to be able to come up with funds to pay this wealth tax? The minute one of a couple has passed away the other has twice as much “wealth” to be taxed on. From where is the income supposed to magically appear? Why on earth should they be forced to sell the property they may well have had for 40 years (and probably scrimped and saved to purchase in the first place) and move to a whole new- less expensive – area. Uprooted from friends, clubs, health services etc.
Or have I got it wrong about what the Greens are wanting?
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June 11, 2023 3:59pm
- Ian Boag
  
  A reverse mortgage would work …
  
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  June 11, 2023 7:32pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Im glad you have outted yourself as anti inherited wealth and a pusher of the worst type of financial product in reverse mortgages…
    
    I assume your will leaves everything you own to the state Ian…
    
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    June 11, 2023 7:58pm
fernglas

The Greens propose a 1.5 % tax on all trust assets to prevent the wealthy from putting their asssets into a trust. They seem not to have noticed that hundreds of thousands of ordinary New Zealanders have their homes in family trusts for asset protection reasons, usually because the owners are in some business or trade where they have personal financial exposure. So Joe Tradie from Te Atatu who is sitting in a $1,000,000 mortgage free family home owned by his trust will have to come up with an extra 15,000 per year in tax. This Green proposal will piss off far more than just the richest 0.7%
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June 11, 2023 4:01pm
- Swifty
  
  And to be spent how?
  
  More money used to actively incentivise harmful behaviour and poor social outcomes?
  
  More money poured into education while educational performance continues to slide?
  
  More money poured into ‘poverty relief’ while simultaneously advancing policies and regulation to destroy business productivity and investment?
  
  The best thing I can say about the Greens of late is that their policy prescriptions will not give them the outcomes they seek.
  
  The worst is that they are a bloody car crash, actively wrecking NZ’s prosperity with their ruinous policies of envy.
  
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  June 11, 2023 5:44pm
- rouppe
  
  Assets being in a trust is irrelevant. It is the assets, not the ownership of them. Otherwise the solution would simply be to transfer ownership.
  
  Anyone with a mortgage free home and who has saved their entire lives will have over $2 million.
  
  The Greens disgust me.
  
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  June 11, 2023 7:51pm
  - Hard Cheese
    
    Shaw and Davidson are two halves of an idiot sandwich. You can’t tax houses, businesses, superannuation funds and even shares as if they were liquid assets. Anyone who is cashflow poor will have to offload them – and who would take those assets on? It will be a giant fire sale of misery, people forced to sell up at giveaway prices because they can’t afford to pay the tax, either that or have some leech of a bank suck out all its value bit by bit until they die. I can’t stand James Shaw, every time I see his pudgy little face it makes me want to vomit.
    
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    June 11, 2023 9:30pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Sorry Rouppe but you are spectacularly wrong there.
    
    The Trust tax starts at dollar one, not 4 million (for a couple). That affects >100,000 people.
    There are all sorts of tax related issues re transferring ownership out of Trusts, including Brightline. There is also obviously the loss of the reason for having the property in a Trust – asset protection, that’s huge.
    
    So people will have the option – risk the loss of their homes, and all the reduction of risk involved in that, or pay 1.5% of the value of their house in tax each year. There is no reason for it either, it is easy enough to include Trust assets in the individual’s calculation so it seems to me that they’re actually going after asset protection.
    
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    June 12, 2023 1:12pm
Maggie Pie

This is sooo funny 😀

‘The Spinoff’ have turned off comments due to what they describe as….

“Sadly the state of engagement on anything related to the former Prime Minister”

https://twitter.com/TheSpinoffTV/status/1667376336703479809
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June 11, 2023 4:11pm
Swifty

The offenders will be the offspring of Welsh immigrants.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/132290174/12yearold-beaten-up-outside-auckland-mcdonalds-left-covered-in-blood

I guarantee it. They are trouble wherever they go.

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June 11, 2023 4:39pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/132290174/12yearold-beaten-up-outside-auckland-mcdonalds-left-covered-in-blood
When I read things like this I really feel there [Mod – please don’t suggest such on this blog], no questions asked.
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June 11, 2023 5:13pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I don’t think vigilante violence is the answer, but neither is everybody in power closing their eyes to the bleeding obvious…. young thugs know that they can thieve and bash others with impunity.
  
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  June 11, 2023 5:25pm
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    I agree but if the police can’t respond (for whatever reason) then the public should help out. Not vigilante violence but perhaps simply detaining the perpetrators until the police can take over if it can be done safely.
    
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    June 11, 2023 6:25pm
    - Ghost
      
      What happened at this incident was no one called the police no one got involved. I don’t think I would get involved either. I would call the police, video it for police evidence. There’s no way you’ll intervene with these little thugs without getting injuried.
      
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      June 11, 2023 6:30pm
      - rouppe
        
        And that’s the thing. No one wants to be the only one.
        
        But if someone were to step forward and encourage others to at the same time, you could well find 5 people involved to help the victim
        
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        June 11, 2023 7:43pm
      - Ghost
        
        You never know when the thugs are carrying a weapon. So no, best people call the police and stay out of it
        
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        June 11, 2023 7:56pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        The other worrying thing…. it happened on the North Shore!
        You could understand it if it was in South Auckland.
        
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        June 11, 2023 8:03pm
      - Colville
        
        Step in and get stabbed by one of the little shits.
        Fu$k that.
        
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        June 11, 2023 8:06pm
      - Ghost
        
        For anyone that thinks intervening with these thugs is worth the risk
        
        Here’s a story for you
        
        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-24/petr-levkovskiy-bull-creek-murder-teen-sentenced/102138744
        
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        June 11, 2023 8:10pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…..

‘Waka Kotahi have announced the next set of proposed bilingual traffic signs will shortly be released for public consultation’

– NZ Transport Agency.

https://twitter.com/mrs_wiggley/status/1667729433296519168

The idea is staring to grow on me tbh 😀
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June 11, 2023 6:00pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Does ‘Filth’ mean the same thing in te reo as in English?
  
  Asking for a friend.
  
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  June 11, 2023 7:26pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Speed bumps sign is brilliant.
  
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  June 11, 2023 7:33pm
- DimChappie
  
  [Mod – deleted, don’t post this again]
  
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  June 11, 2023 9:01pm
krazykiwi

Bye bye Boris. A bit late to this one, but an interesting turn of events. I wonder if he’ll have a farewell party?
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