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JohnRidd

I went to an interesting public meeting on “20 minute cities” in Hamilton last night at the Fairfield Baptist church hall. It is a big hall but it was standing room only. Far more than the organizers, a ratepayers group, expected. The mood was distrustful of the council.

A couple of city councilors, Angela O’Leary Deputy Mayor and Mark Donovan, were invited there to speak although they didn’t say very much. Mark Donavan talked about how a 20 minute city was about “living locally” and being able to “walk or cycle” . The crowd were not buying it. Someone shouted “Trojan Horse”. There were comments from the crowd about getting rid of cars, WEF, and climate change.

Mr Donavan said something about how he didn’t know very much about 20 minute cities, which prompted a man near me to shout out “so why did you come here?”

One of the organizers told the crowd that if they continued to be rude to the invited speakers, the speakers would leave.

A few minutes later, the speakers left.

My impression of the meeting was that this was a real grass roots expression of anger, distrust and frustration. The Hamilton Council has spent a lot of money on speed bumps and other “traffic calming” measures and the people are not happy. A message has been sent to the council but I do not think the council will listen.
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June 9, 2023 8:02am
- BeaB
  
  We should fire most of our city planners and let the public decide where and how they want to get places. Hamilton City Council is killing the CBD and suffocating the economic life of the city through appalling traffic decisions that slow everyone down and make travel frustrating and dangerous. They spend our money as though it grows on trees and we have little to show for it except for a worse quality of life.
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:37am
  - Flossie
    
    Not to mention the charge they are putting (have put?) in place to visit the gardens. Not a popular decision.
    
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    June 9, 2023 9:52am
  - backster
    
    Kapiti doing the same..Green Mayor choosing green deputy.
    
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    June 9, 2023 10:08am
  - Groggy
    
    Wellington is even worse, they have the LGWM financial sinkhole setup to burn money – $100m and counting – to remove all carparks and slow everything to a crawl.
    
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    June 9, 2023 10:23am
  - AitchW
    
    Hamilton CBD is a wasteland. Parking is crap and many, many businesses have moved to the big malls. On Friday and Saturday nights it’s full of drunks and has a decidedly menacing feeling. Between the drunks and the homeless and beggars it’s just shit!
    
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    June 9, 2023 7:19pm
- I remember when
  
  The raised pedestrian crossings/boy racer deterrent measures are more frequent in Palmerston North than rabbits in Central Otago.
  It appears that every time there is a complaint about speed or behaviour a new batch are installed.
  The record, so far, seems to be six on a road that is less than a kilometre in length.
  It is often difficult to distinguish between pedestrian crossing and raised crossing at night.
  This problem will surely grow with the passage of time and fading of white paint indentifying them.
  Not to mention the addition cost of Maori language needing to be added to the signs.
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:44am
  - Opie
    
    Pekepeke
    Jump
    
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    June 9, 2023 10:58am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Talking about fading of white road markings, is it just me or has the quality of paint these days total crap? They seem to need painted within a year of being done.
    A gravy train for road painters that the bureaucrats either haven’t noticed, or it’s one of their buddies getting the contract in exchange for a brown envelope?
    Bizarre.
    
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    June 9, 2023 11:23am
    - Ghost
      
      What, are you trying to tell us the roads are lasting a year? Shit. I’ve seen pot holes repaired that don’t even last a week. Hmmm, wonder if the paint is holding your roads together for a year…..😜
      
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      June 9, 2023 11:26am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Fair point, it isn’t paint, it’s glue. lol
        
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        June 9, 2023 11:31am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  JohnRidd, when that person from the council said they didn’t know much about 20-minute cities, they should have been asked if they’d ever heard of the Hunger Games…
  
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  June 9, 2023 10:38am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    And is some representative of a contemporary council seriously trying to duck for cover by saying they don’t know much about 15-, 20-minute, smart, cities?!?
    
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    June 9, 2023 10:50am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Excellent response from the locals.
  If there was a great demand by people that all of the amenities they might need were within a short stroll of their houses, this would have already happened.
  The people pushing this nonsense are not our friends.
  Which councillors campaigned on these 15 minute neighbourhoods?
  How many people have been asking for these things?
  
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  June 9, 2023 10:55am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Who were the organisers? It would be interesting to know who is driving that and they should be compelled to explain why they think this is a good idea.
  Robust debate isn’t ‘rude’.
  
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  June 9, 2023 11:20am
- Geoff1
  
  20 minutes of waffle before getting to the subject matter, from the organisers introducing members of their committee and the vice president withering on about Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz – nothing to do with the meeting.
  Organisers had no control from the beginning. Allowing an audience member access to a microphone very earlier in the presentation stating that the presenters had disrespected man whenua of Kirikiriroa then continued to berate them drove the presenter away. The meeting then just degenerated into a farce that I left.
  
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  June 9, 2023 12:37pm
double d

Dead-wood walking?
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June 9, 2023 8:02am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Labour is dead man ( and woman) walking. The Tinetti/Wood shambles as assured that. As always with politicians it is their hubris arrogance and contempt for the voter that leads to their demise.
  This lot have wrecked the health system wrecked the education system wrecked the criminal justice system, sort to divide our society into Maori and Others and lead to the biggest increase in soceital dysfunction the country has ever seen.
  I will rejoice on 14 October and voters kick their sorry sad arses of the Government benches.
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:29am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    Bang on last man.
    
    Labour had wrecked all the above prior to the previous election including the descimation of our wealth with their nonsensical, most expensive in the OECD, covid fraud, yet nZ voters rewarded them with the first ever outright majority.
    
    So while I’m on record stating Labour will lose, we should not be complacent and must help National or Act as much as we can.
    
    Volunteer and or donate to act or national to ensure we don’t suffer another 3 years if ineptitude.
    
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    June 9, 2023 10:03am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    I’ll rejoice too, but let’s acknowledge the grim fact that they would not have been able to do this much damage to our systems of justice, health and education (and others) without the help of like-minded little souls long embedded in those institutions.
    
    Souls who will still be there after this election.
    
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    June 9, 2023 10:07am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      100% Tom.
      
      Does National have the cajones to actually restructure the Public Service.
      
      15% head count reduction in first year.
      
      Move a lot functions out of government like a lot of the registry functions in DIA and MBIE. Retain ownership of the IT but outsource the staff as much as possible: All the small registers like Licensed Builders, Electrical Workers etc dont need to be in Public hands, could easily be privatising with a bolstered Audit Office doing regular system reviews and enforcement activity
      
      Cull Ministries for special groups; Maori, Pacific Peoples, Women…. cut back arts funding, the taxpayer doesn’t need to do it, instead create a charitable trusts to fund those activities and people can donate to support the arts of there choice
      
      And change the Local Government Act – remove General Competence, and set a schedule of compulsory activities couple with mandatory maintenance schedules for Water assets and Roading assets…..
      
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      June 9, 2023 10:35am
      - I remember when
        
        As an additional to the charitable trusts why not have the government fund it at the current rate.
        Thereafter, every year, the government will provide an equivalent amount to the funding from other sources the previous year.
        
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        June 9, 2023 3:16pm
      - leoj
        
        The answer is NO.
        
        The namby-pamby party will sit on its hands.
        
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        June 9, 2023 5:31pm
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Excellent suggestions jim
      
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      June 9, 2023 11:15am
  - leoj
    
    …… to be replaced with a namby-pamby party?
    
    Sadly, the worse this government is will mean that Nats/ACT won’t have to make major changes to the way governments run.
    
    At an ACT meeting recently I was encouraged that ACT are prepared to sit on the cross benches if the namby-pamby Nats don’t get a spine. Let’s hope so.
    
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    June 9, 2023 10:18am
- kowtow
  
  M Woodlouse , any cretin belonging to the suborder riverfilthious within the order of lying polly.
  He gets the name from often being found feeding off solid( wood) taxpayers and from louse , a parasitic insect.
  
  Control ; plenty of sunlight , general open ness , honesty and transparency.
  Otherwise a $2 shop fly swatter .
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:51am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Wood still could go, Hipkins doesn’t want to sack him, but it becomes flight more murky by the day, he won’t sack Tinneti, and infact has not stood her down from what I can see.
  
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  June 9, 2023 10:46am
Flossie

What joy this morning to read Mathew Hooten’s Herald article criticising this government! Even Dame J gets a well-deserved serve!
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June 9, 2023 8:03am
Tomtoddy

Been wondering what is a “strategic asset”? What makes Auckland airport a “strategic asset” that the Council’s very minor shareholding is held to be sacrosanct? The airport is not going away, no one is going to move it to Hamilton or Whangarei. It is not going to be converted into a fun park or a kiwifruit orchard. More importantly the Council is a very junior stockholder. They cannot influence any decisions to any extent. They can’t create a situation where the airport would give some preferential position to Auckland ratepayers as opposed to other ratepayers in say the Waikato or Northland or even non-ratepayers in the city.

As an income generating asset it is a disaster. The returns over the long run are poor and it faces almost continuous upgrading and capital inputs. Councils are not (or shouldn’t be) in the business of investing in ventures to produce income – they are totally ill-equipped for that purpose. Imagine calling up the Council and saying I have a few million to invest – what is your best offer? Nah.

The Council should sell all the shares and reduce debt.
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June 9, 2023 8:04am
- Cassandra
  
  Agreed. Running a supermarket would be much more profitable – but can you imagine how they’d cock that up too? Councils should not own investments; leave that to experts eg Infratil.
  
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  June 9, 2023 8:09am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    Wayne Brown continues to be a legend.
    
    His exposure of councilor hypocrisy will continue to the next election where he will use it to his advantage.
    
    Imagine Wayne Brown with a team of councilors who understand that paying more in interest than you receive in dividends is a bad thing.
    
    He’ll really get cracking then.
    
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    June 9, 2023 10:38am
- artemisia
  
  I see there is a bid for taxpayers to buy Auckland Council airport shares if up for sale. And then give
  them to Tainui iwi. Because reasons.
  
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  June 9, 2023 8:11am
  - Cassandra
    
    Never miss a trick. Cunning folk, these Treaty partners. And every so often they strike Lotto or the equivalent, without even buying a ticket!
    
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    June 9, 2023 10:22am
- Paulus
  
  Anybody in long term debt would do whatever it takes to reduce their liability by selling assets to reduce their indebtedness.
  Illiterate Labour Councillors who just do not like well elected Mayor, so will do all their ignorance deems in believeing that the Ratepayers agree with them !
  
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  June 9, 2023 8:18am
- Mike H S
  
  I agree with the Mayor’s comments that the Councilors who are opposed to the sale are economically illiterate.
  
  Sadly, the communities they represent are also financially illiterate. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t vote for these turkeys. And that most certainly includes Christine Fletcher et al.
  
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  June 9, 2023 8:27am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Marsden Point Refinery is a strategic asset….or should I say, was….
  
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  June 9, 2023 8:49am
- Rodney Hide
  
  Quite. And as the Council, its power derives from statute, not as minority shareholder. Also, past councils effectively sold the airport shares when they ran up debt.
  
  Rodney Hide
  
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  June 9, 2023 8:53am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Exactly Rodney! In my opinion, Brown is taking a sensible and pragmatic approach. If he wasn’t taking the blowtorch to wasteful spending, pointless virtue-signaling and incompetent/inefficient middle management, and simply wanted to keep selling assets to paper over the cracks, that would be quite different.
    
    However, he’s advocating selling the shares to bridge a one-off (and hopefully final) hole in the budget, and limit rates rises to 7.7%, around the same as inflation. For some Councillors allege it’s like “selling the car to buy petrol” is glib and disingenuous, and they should be ashamed. It’s like some of them are financially illiterate dip-shits or something.
    
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    June 9, 2023 9:07am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      As I have posted here several times over the past 44 years rates on the house my wife and I purchased in 1979 have increased 400% of the rate of inflation and wages and salaries. That is we pay FOUR times what we would if the rates had matched inflation and wages and salaries. In that time the population has grown significantly meaning Councils have had an every increasing rate base. I say the reason is that over the past 44 years Councils have pissed rates up against the wall like drunken sailors.
      Rather than stick to the basics they have wasted Billions on vanity projects competed against their own ratepayer businesses and lacked any fiscal discipline. Until we get a Mayor Council CEO and senior executives with the capacity capability and will to govern and manage in a responsible manner the problem will continue.
      
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      June 9, 2023 9:45am
  - cmm
    
    Most of the problem comes from the bread and butter business of councils (pot holes and pipes) being far too boring.
    
    So instead of staying in their lane we end up with all sorts of extra spending on vanity projects and less emphasis on the basics.
    
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    June 9, 2023 10:05am
  - RoboRob
    
    Hey Rodney
    
    Did you watch the privileges committee hearing yesterday. Still think they will act with integrity and not simply vote on party lines?
    
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    June 9, 2023 11:17am
- KH
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  That airport is indeed strategic and it needs to be under public control. It was stupid to let go of 100% control.
  It’s become a monopolistic toll gate where it can extort users. (Acknowledging councils do that as well sadly)
  Analysing the financial return etc is the wrong analysis. It’s a facility, not an investment. While it must be run well, no return is needed or relevant.
  
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  June 9, 2023 8:59am
  - Gaetano
    
    You are effectively arguing for a “public service” run airport, along the lines of a Ministry of Works. Yes that would work 🙁
    
    Can you name a single major airport in any OECD country that is run along the lines you suggest?
    
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    June 9, 2023 10:29am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    So it’s strategic because it’s a monopoly and a monopoly should therefore be public – sort of like Transpower.
    
    Of course Transpower is a natural monopoly – nobody is ever going to build even one competing network of transmission lines.
    
    But an airport isn’t, even though it may look like one because nobody’s going to build a duplicate right beside it.
    
    But the same could be said for Ports of Auckland, and they’re getting their backsides kicked by Tauranga. Same with the airport: Just two hours drive down the Waikato Expressway is an airport sitting in the middle of vast amounts of flat land.
    
    Sure, the tipping point where Auckland Airport’s “extortion” would finally convince Hamilton Airport to build more and longer runways and contract with airlines for landing rights, is unknown. But it’s unknown to all parties. Once you hit it there’s no going back to your beloved monopoly. You’re now in permanent competition.
    
    The idea that a public monopoly is a sure money make forever is crap and has been proven so in countless situations even here in NZ.
    
    It’s a moot point anyway since the Council is not going to borrow $9.8 billion to buy it all back – which is where the argument of “facility” vs “investment” is going to break down. Whatever you call it, money is needed and if the ROI on that doesn’t add up the gap would have to be made up elsewhere – from ratepayers.
    
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    June 9, 2023 11:02am
  - AitchW
    
    Councils have no more business owing airports than they do supermarkets or movie theatres. Councils are there to manage infrastructure. The amateur dramatics and tears today were simply pathetic.
    
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    June 9, 2023 7:27pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    It already is under public ownership (it should never be under public “control”) and in fact my wife and I own shares in Auckland Airport, as anyone else with some cash can.
    
    Local or central government don’t need to be involved in any way with the ownership or management of Auckland Airport.
    
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    June 10, 2023 9:40am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Julie Fairey says they should just increase rates and hold on to the shares. So how big a rates rise would that be? The left really have no ideas other than increase taxes continually.
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:08am
  - leoj
    
    The left’s answer to EVERYTHING is higher taxes.
    
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    June 9, 2023 5:33pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  NZers in general have an irrational attitude towards the sharemarket. People seem to think that a reduction in shareholding would be “selling the family silver” but buying more shares would be “irresponsible gambling with ratepayers’ money”.
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:11am
  - Gaetano
    
    Exactly. If owning shares in the airport is so critical, why not borrow money to acquire a controlling interest?
    
    We had to put up with this nonsense when the Key government sold 49 percent of the government owned power companies. There was even a challenge in the courts that it breached the Treaty.
    
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    June 9, 2023 9:24am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      How could selling power companies breach the Treaty?
      This Treaty nonsense has to stop.
      
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      June 9, 2023 9:36am
      - Gaetano
        
        It was about Maori regarding the resource inputs in power generation as a ‘taonga’ especially water for hydro stations.
        
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        June 9, 2023 10:27am
    - cmm
      
      Both Labour and Green sabotaged the partial asset sales by promising they’d nationalise these assets as soon as they got power again.
      
      Well they didn’t.
      
      All they ended up with was sabotaging the partial asset sales taking a few billion out of the country’s coffers. That could have been a few hospitals or schools.
      
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      June 9, 2023 10:08am
      - RightNow
        
        My kids are better off thanks to that sabotage. How ironic
        
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        June 9, 2023 11:20am
- Gaetano
  
  No such thing.
  
  Wellington Council is in a mess because they own a stake in Wellington Airport. The current Mayor thinks airplanes are evil and is opposed to the Airport expanding to cater for future growth in traffic. Because she imagines the climate crisis will stop that growth.
  
  BTW despite the wails about the climate crisis, the consensus forecast is that flights will double between now and 2040. Airlines are forecast to spend more than 1,000 billion dollars on planes.
  
  If you have a smart child who does not know what to do on leaving school, suggest flight school.
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:20am
  - cmm
    
    “If you have a smart child who does not know what to do on leaving school, suggest flight school.”
    
    Even though flights are increasing, the number of pilots is not doing so at the same rate. As automation increases, there is more pressure to reduce the size of flight crews.
    
    It is also a highly internationalised industry. Expect a lot of competition from elsewhere.
    
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    June 9, 2023 10:11am
    - Gaetano
      
      “Even though flights are increasing, the number of pilots is not doing so at the same rate.”
      
      That is just plain wrong.
      
      The pilot shortage is becoming worse to the point of critical.
      
      https://www.oliverwyman.com/our-expertise/insights/2022/jul/airline-pilot-shortage-will-get-worse.html
      
      All commercial airplanes now have a crew of two. Yes there are thought experiments about moving to one pilot, but that will not happen in the next generation of aircraft. That means not before 2050.
      
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      June 9, 2023 10:25am
- Burg
  
  If AIA is a good income generating asset then it would make sense to borrow more to increase the holding, but it’s not
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:50am
- Burg
  
  If AIA was a good income generating asset it would make sense to borrow more and increase councils holding. But it isn’t.
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:55am
- thirteenstars
  
  “Strategic asset” is quite a hackneyed political term going back many decades. I’m sure Muldoon used it often. Winston Peters, a Muldoon disciple, is a big fan.
  
  When unravelled it means a resource or infrastructure the government must own to prevent the wicked folks from holding the regular folks to ransom. The wicked folks, of course, don’t include politicians who are operating from the purest of motives.
  
  Funny how all the privately-owned assets not protected by state-granted monopoly power are the ones we rely on most to feed, clothe, transport us, and otherwise allow a modicum of comfort and safety in our lives.
  
  As soon as the state gets its hands on an asset it turns into a liability.
  
  Auckland Council doesn’t even own that much airport stock and some still stupidly claim it’s a “strategic” holding. What it is is an unconscionable holding when ratepayers are facing the double whammy of rates increases and cuts to services.
  
  Idiocracy. Brown should have stuck to his guns.
  
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  June 9, 2023 10:24am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  As the ex Nat minister stated in that council ( Maurice Williamson ) from what I heard on the news, he stated it’s a strategic asset to the country, and to the community, but it’s not a strategic asset to the council, and he is right.
  
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  June 9, 2023 10:49am
artemisia

Labour has consigned to the policy bonfire “public consultation on how employment law could provide more clarity around what constitutes being a “contractor” versus an “employee” …”

IRD already has a set of rules. Am I the only one to think the unions aka Labour want more rules to discourage self employment and self reliance? Why would that be, I wonder.

One of ours, a young tradie on wages, is currently working for a medium sized firm moving to transition employees to self employed. Can’t blame them actually. Seriously simpler to offer work and if accepted pay an invoice on completion. Is there anything wrong with this picture?

Our own small tradie firm has no employees any more, just owners and project related input as needed, mostly from other small firms and mostly experts. If there are issues they don’t get engaged again. Instant performance management! Actually doesn’t happen often, most we have a multi year, even multi decades, relationship with. They set their rates to cover their own costs. Like I say, simples.
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June 9, 2023 8:05am
Matt Long

[Mod – for the last time stop this]
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June 9, 2023 8:09am
- Yabster
  
  I don’t know either one of you- but take your personal squabbles elsewhere- its just tiresome for other KB’s to read.
  
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  June 9, 2023 8:19am
  - Swifty
    
    Flame wars like this remind me of the wonderful days Kiwiblog of yesteryear.
    
    Sniff…
    
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    June 9, 2023 10:08am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Certain people can make us grumpy……
      
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      June 9, 2023 10:50am
    - RightNow
      
      Are you missing Griff 😆
      
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      June 9, 2023 11:22am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Who is she 😃
        
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        June 9, 2023 2:04pm
- cmm
  
  Women paying $5 to have sex? Nope, it is free. And, assuming you’re talking about contraceptive prescriptions, those will be for 3 months so only $1.67 a month.
  
  What you’re saying is that the taxpayer should sponsor women an extra $5 to have recreational sex (aka fun). Since we’re already sponsoring the cost of the pill (perhaps $20 a month), you have a point. Why not just toss in the other $1.67 too?
  
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  June 9, 2023 8:22am
  - Matt Long
    
    I’m not saying that at all, I agree with prescription charges exactly as National stated – eventually after they lost control of the narrative.
    
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    June 9, 2023 8:36am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      They never had a contraceptive naritive, Labour snd the media did, it’s back fired hugely, notice it has completely disappeared. Only Labour foot soldiers still mention it
      
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      June 9, 2023 10:55am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Apparently contraception is $5 for 6 months, most women using this will know Labour are full of shit, note the smear on Luxon for cutting the labour policy of $5 for prescription has disappeared, I would say that suggests an own goal
    
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    June 9, 2023 10:53am
  - rjay
    
    In Australia a script cost $30 (although Chemist Warehouse will give a $1 discount). There is a maximum annual cap of $2414.
    
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    June 9, 2023 11:44am
- peterwn
  
  Currently it is $5 for every SIX months since one prescription covers six months supply of contraceptives (three months for ordinary medicines). Also the $5 fee is currently capped at $100 per year and there is no charge for repeats (in cases where only 30 days supply can be dispensed at a time).
  In my opinion what Chris Luxon should do is to reinstate the $5 charge but exempt Community Services Card holders. What Grant Robertson has done is provide an effective subsidy to the rich.
  
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  June 9, 2023 8:23am
  - Gaetano
    
    An effective subsidy to the rich is what the government is good at. See EV subsidies.
    
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    June 9, 2023 9:26am
  - cmm
    
    “In my opinion what Chris Luxon should do is to reinstate the $5 charge but exempt Community Services Card holders”
    
    ie. the status quo.
    
    But once Labour has made it “free”, reinstating the status quo of charging women $5 every 6 months (or 83 cents a month) for contraceptive prescriptions looks petty. And it would be.
    
    There are far larger fish to fry.
    
    Arguing about 83c a month when we’re already subsidising the the pill to the tune of $20 a month is a waste of time.
    
    How about just focus on the stuff like gangs, racial politics and inflation?
    
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    June 9, 2023 10:18am
    - Gaetano
      
      “ie. the status quo.”
      
      No community service card holders are currently not exempt from the $5 charge.
      
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      June 9, 2023 10:44am
      - cmm
        
        Thanks for the correction.
        
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        June 10, 2023 8:32am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Luxon has stated only community service card holders and gold card holders will receive these free. Remember they tried to call it a flip flop and failed?
      
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      June 9, 2023 10:57am
- Mark Hanley
  
  [Mod – both of you end this now]
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:20am
  - Gaetano
    
    Can’t you take this personal feud to Facebook? Or Tiktok?
    
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    June 9, 2023 9:28am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Some people on here can give you the shots hshahahahaha
      
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      June 9, 2023 10:58am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Matt. Just ignore him. Anybody who demands – IN CAPS – that you answer his questions in a blog in 2023 is someone who’s lost it.
  
  And that’s aside from the National Party and Luxon fluffing (“they’re brilliant” says the starry-eyed wanderer). We’ve got enough of them here already.
  
  Right Tony? 😉
  
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  June 9, 2023 11:11am
Scooter

All these shenanigans since Dame Cindy up and ran off. Things seemed to be kept in the quiet during her time so maybe more interesting is why now is it all falling apart and by whom? Maybe a certain faction is not happy?
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June 9, 2023 8:12am
- peterwn
  
  She smelt the coffee and sensed she had come to the end of the road and quit just as things were starting to fall apart and her election chances were slim.
  One cannot accuse her with poor judgment in this regard.
  So Chris Hipkins ended up holding the baby and having to endure the torture of the 12 cuts from Nicola last Wednesday.
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:57am
  - Local Miller
    
    Poor Hipkins got a hospital pass. I don’t have much sympathy for him given he was part of cabinet and a senior MP in Ardern’s regime.
    
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    June 9, 2023 10:54am
    - AitchW
      
      He desperately wanted the job. He was so blinded by ideology and by his belief in the righteousness of the Labour agenda that he couldn’t see the poison chalice tossed to him by Ardern.
      
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      June 9, 2023 7:33pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  [leave out the casual racism. mod.]
  
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  June 9, 2023 10:59am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Sorry, didn’t realise i said anything racist
    
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    June 9, 2023 2:06pm
ClanMcleod

Cam Slater on Reality Check Radio currently with Paul Brennan. Not sure who the other two guests are, but it is excellent political commentary, nothing like the sanitised garbage we get on mainstream media.
They just did Michael Woods. Now discussing Sean Plunkett and his continued demonisation of the “anti vaxx nutters” as he calls them.

It’s a refreshing listen.

https://realitycheck.radio/
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June 9, 2023 8:15am
- RoboRob
  
  Any idea how to listen to a replay?
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:08am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    @RoboRob – the replays can be found here, though this mornings aren’t up yet. I’m guessing it might take a couple of hours before they are available.
    
    https://realitycheck.radio/replays/
    
    Before the politics discussion Winston Peters was on. He claims he was offered a knighthood but turned it down. Right at the end of the interview.
    Brennan asked him to clarify and he said it again, that he’d previously been offered a knighthood and declined. Interesting!
    
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    June 9, 2023 9:46am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Oh previously, after suggesting it was Cindy, I would trust that asshole as far as I could kick him
      
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      June 9, 2023 11:01am
    - RoboRob
      
      Having not heard that interview I would call bs on the whole nighthood thing. Most normal people would read that as ‘The crown offered a knighthood’ or ‘The PM was going to recommend me for a knighthood’ and I declined.
      
      I think in Winston, my answer never said what you think you heard, that he probably refers to JA (or some other desperate poly) saying ‘help me form a government and you might get a knighthood (wink, wink)’. Thats a totally different thing and one would only have the word of Winston Peters to back that assertion.
      
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      June 9, 2023 11:04am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    @RoboRob – I emailed and asked them, here’s the answer.
    
    As you may be aware, our daily LIVE show replays usually begin from 4pm, starting with Paul’s Breakfast Show.
    
    Be aware that this is generally a little later on Fridays, starting straight after The Chantelle Baker Show.
    
    That said, we do endeavour to get the earlier show replays uploaded to the website by 2pm, so I’d encourage you to check back here after then – https://realitycheck.radio/replays/paul-brennan-breakfast/
    
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    June 9, 2023 10:21am
    - RoboRob
      
      Great work Connor 🙂
      
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      June 9, 2023 11:00am
The Redbaiter

Willis so pathetic here. Grovelling to the corrupt media over an insinuation that was never actually made.

National’s constant failure to confront and correct corrupt media is a potential election loser.
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June 9, 2023 8:16am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yep snd ACT suggesting they will fit on the cross benches is simply helping undecided voters go with Labour, worry about your own shit nest
  
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  June 9, 2023 11:02am
  - The Redbaiter
    
    Don’t understand why Ms Willis couldn’t just say “its a fact that NZ needs to up its birth rate and Mr Luxon made an off the cuff reference to that fact in response to a question from an audience member. He did not “demand” anything, and its a lie to say he did.”
    
    No need for the apologetic stance or the patently false claim it was a “joke”.
    
    See Martyn Bradbury has a post with the headline claiming Luxon “demanded” women have more babies. Luxon made no such demand. The claim is a blatant lie, but that’s what happens if you don’t fight back. The lie gets legs and the truth gets buried.
    
    Willis is just not good at this stuff and IMHO is too often guilty of really bad judgment. A poor choice for Deputy leader.
    
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    June 9, 2023 11:12am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      She was right fFS, it was clear as a bell he was joking, if you want to piss about in the gutter with this corrupt media, carry on.
      
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      June 9, 2023 2:08pm
      - The Redbaiter
        
        Here’s what Luxon actually said, in response to an audience question opposing mass immigration–
        
        “Immigration’s always got to be linked to our economic agenda and our economic agenda says we need people. I mean, here’s the deal, essentially New Zealand stopped replacing itself in 2016. I encourage all of you to go out there, have more babies if you wish, that would be helpful.”
        
        If its a joke, please point out the funny part. In fact its quite a pertinent and factually correct observation. (fertility rate in NZ is 1.6 when 2.1 is necessary for replacement) That is why they should have defended it instead of floating the weak and submissive “joke” smokescreen.
        
        The reality is there was no joke, but the Nats, (Willis) decided to run with this because they’re panic stricken at the thought they may be wedged by Labour’s pathetically ignorant attempts to portray Luxon as a religious right looney.
        
        They apparently don’t have the intellectual resources or courage to combat this cowardly and untrue smear with simple truth.
        
        When is National going to show some fight back against an obviously politically corrupted media? If the Nats refuse to engage in this fight, they might as well just fold their tents and ride off. Let the media elect Labour as they so plainly wish to.
        
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        June 9, 2023 3:34pm
Maggie Pie

OMG!! this is sooo dreadful!

Syrian immigrant goes on rampage in France stabbing babies in pushchairs

https://twitter.com/Xx17965797N/status/1666813978876743681
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June 9, 2023 8:17am
- CJames
  
  But we are assured it isn’t a terrorism incident. Just a lone wolf with mental health issues.
  Be interesting to watch Macron’s actions as he confronts the angry public.
  
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  June 9, 2023 8:22am
  - sirknz
    
    There seems to be an awful lot of lone wolves with mental health issues from the Middle East.
    
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    June 9, 2023 9:09am
- rouppe
  
  Notice the change in language over time?
  
  Used to be the offender was not identified, particularly race or religion.
  
  Now, “A suspect, identified by police as a 31-year-old Syrian…”
  
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  June 9, 2023 8:27am
  - RightNow
    
    Muslims are below trans in the hierarchy of oppressed minorities and are now fair game since they’re not falling in line and being trans “allies”.
    
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    June 9, 2023 11:26am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Reported to be a Christian
      
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      June 9, 2023 6:39pm
- Yabster
  
  yep- Swedish permanent resident- the Swedish government opened the flood gates re refugees- it now has one of the highest rape stats in the world.
  
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  June 9, 2023 8:40am
- GJM
  
  Diversity dividend…
  
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  June 9, 2023 8:50am
- WaynelSexton
  
  Syrian Immigrant?
  He lived in Sweden for a decade, that makes him 100% Swedish.
  
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  June 9, 2023 8:54am
  - Gaetano
    
    Really? Abba is 100 percent Swedish. A crazy Syrian radical Christian who happens to reside in Sweden? Don’t think so.
    
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    June 9, 2023 9:36am
    - kowtow
      
      Abba 100 % Swede ?
      
      ‘Anni-Frid Lyngstad’s story is typical of the suffering of thousands. After her birth in November 1945 – the result of a liaison between her mother, Synni, and a German sergeant, Alfred Haase – the infant’s mother and grandmother were branded as traitors and ostracised in their village in northern Norway. They were forced to emigrate to Sweden, where Anni-Frid’s mother died of kidney failure before her daughter was two.’
      
      We live in a really messed up world .
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/jun/30/kateconnolly.theobserver
      
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      June 9, 2023 10:02am
      - Gaetano
        
        OK thanks for that – I don’t think my error detracts much from my point 🙂
        
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        June 9, 2023 10:28am
      - kowtow
        
        Nah , just triggered a thought and the sharing of some human experience story.
        
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        June 9, 2023 10:50am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Brenton Tarrant first came to this country 10 years ago.
    
    That pr*ck is still 100% Australian.
    
    Just saying.
    
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    June 9, 2023 10:01am
    - Inandout
      
      Maggie, Jacinda has stated she would never utter that man’s name. Presumably in public and not at the dinner table.
      
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      June 9, 2023 11:12am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Tell that to the Australian bureaucrats sending back 501s to NZ.
    
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    June 9, 2023 10:25am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      We will send him back after he has done his 50 years
      
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      June 9, 2023 11:04am
      - Gaetano
        
        He will die in Auckland prison.
        
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        June 9, 2023 2:26pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Read it and weep, all ye light rail proponents.

GBP 1m per mile, 12 years of disruption, a decade overdue, opening with a whimper – no pipe bands for this one.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/06/muted-celebration-as-edinburgh-tram-line-finally-finished
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June 9, 2023 8:18am
- Matt Long
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/new-auckland-motorway-to-open-before-the-end-of-this-month/BDKCERAX4VDLBGKD7WHQYGBUW4/
  At least the Puhoi to Warkworth road may open for a bit this month.
  
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  June 9, 2023 1:49pm
  - AitchW
    
    Until it needs to be closed to fix the potholes and shredded seal……
    
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    June 9, 2023 7:36pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Make that GBP 100m per mile.
  
  Those damned zeros!
  
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  June 9, 2023 6:42pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Who knew that it was racism and homophobia fuelling thousands of crimes in NZ?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/08/exclusive-racism-homophobia-fuelling-thousands-of-crimes-in-new-zealand-each-year-figures-show

Personally, I thought it was meth, gangs and dim-wittedness.
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June 9, 2023 8:27am
- rouppe
  
  collecting data on whether offending was hate-motivated, as perceived by officers, victims, or witnesses
  
  That’s reliable and transparent criteria /sarc
  
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  June 9, 2023 8:33am
- Maggie Pie
  
  “The staggering number tracks with the experiences and stories I have been hearing from across the country”
  
  – Meng Foon (NZ Race Relations Commissioner)
  
  …..and your only source of truth 🙁
  
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  June 9, 2023 8:38am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Check out the author for a few clues. The photo should be good start. First impressions and all that.
  
  https://www.verbwellington.nz/charlotte-grahammclay
  
  Ten years at RNZ for starters. A classic, chardonnay Marxist in the Ardern mold.
  
  She just told the lie that NZ is a homophobic, racist bunch of far right white people to an international media outlet with a substantial audience.
  As usual, with the Christchurch massacre, she talks about the ‘racist attack’ while conveniently leaving out the fact that the perpetrator was an Australian who was given a gun licence due to mistakes made by the police.
  
  The Guardian has become a horrendous propaganda outlet pushing everything to do with the ‘great reset’. This ‘journalist’ is nothing of the sort. Another msm propagandist.
  
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  June 9, 2023 8:45am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    And Clan, as with all these so called journo’s that have literally no idea about anything, she doesn’t yet know the difference between religion with race.
    
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    June 9, 2023 9:08am
  - graham
    
    I see Ms Graham-McLay presented a Journalism project in 2017 as part of her “Master of Journalism” degree at Massey University entitled, “At war on Twitter? : the impact of gendered harassment across digital platforms on high-profile women in broadcast journalism”
    
    https://mro.massey.ac.nz/handle/10179/15669
    
    I have to say, I haven’t heard of Charlotte Graham-McLay previously … and I’m not getting the feeling that I’ve been missing out on anything.
    
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    June 9, 2023 9:14am
  - H. Upmann
    
    I’m sure Charlotte’s mum loves her.
    
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    June 9, 2023 9:29am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Or Mums
      
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      June 9, 2023 6:52pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Oh yes that old chestnut, New Zealand is so racist but the people that spurt such shite can never explain why so many people of colour want to come to this vipers nest of white supremacy. It’s like when they say that the health system is systematically racist and shuts out Māori, the health system that’s probably staffed by the most diverse work force in the country are apparently all ganging up against Māori.
    
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    June 9, 2023 10:08am
- Simon
  
  Instagram, the popular social-media site owned by Meta Platforms, helps connect and promote a vast network of accounts openly devoted to the commission and purchase of underage-sex content, according to investigations by The Wall Street Journal and researchers at Stanford University and the University of Massachusetts Amherst.
  
  Wall Street Journal.
  
  Sick govt.nz fucks pushing fake narratives when real crimes go unpunished.
  
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  June 9, 2023 8:59am
- Ehlana
  
  This article speaks of “almost 7,000 hate-driven crimes recorded since January 2022”. That’s a big number, but it seems a crime is recorded as hate-driven if a police officer, victim or witness thinks it is.
  So, I thought I’d find out how many crimes were recorded in NZ last year. They must be recorded on a computer, so you should be able to get them monthly right? Silly me.
  The Police Minister did admit that retail crime averaged 292 incidents a day in 2022, so that is 106,580 for the year.
  
  Which puts the under 7000 “hate crimes” in perspective. Especially when you consider that retail crime is only one category of crime.
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:13am
  - Local Miller
    
    Based on these numbers, the article is basically claiming that 7000 of the 8800 of crimes each month are hate crimes. I call BS on that.
    
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    June 9, 2023 9:25am
    - Ehlana
      
      No, Local, it’s 7000 “hate-driven” crimes from January 2022 to whenever the Guardian got the numbers – so probably 15 – 16 months. That’s well under 500 a month.
      And my comparison figure is only retail crime – shop theft – which works out to under 9000 per month of those alone. Without considering other kinds of crime, like fraud, or stealing cars or from houses or non-retail businesses or any form of violent crime. Add all those in and I think the 7000 will look even smaller.
      
      That may make it correct. I think a pretty small number of people commit a lot of the crime, and they may well hate those they perceive as doing better than them in New Zealand, which is likely to include anybody with a job or business.
      
      I’m not sure whether it shows that their crime is motivated by their racial or religious hate, or whether they just express that during commission of the crime or when they get apprehended. They might well attribute their crime to their hate, if they think their hate justifies their crimes.
      
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      June 9, 2023 10:16am
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        What sort of crime is motivated by hate, anyway?
        
        Because if the motivation is hate, then the target would be the aim in itself – not stealing a handbag or shoplifting or ram raiding or such material gain.
        It is simply a wet dream for journalists fixated on identity politics and troughers like Meng Foon.
        
        In the real world – crime happens because criminals prey on targets that are available. I don’t believe for a second that the criminal act itself is driven by any politics or ideology, other than many of them are probably awful human beings.
        
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        June 9, 2023 1:29pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        I hate your race/ religion/ gender/ whatever so I’m going to steal your car.
        
        Said no car thief, ever.
        
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        June 9, 2023 6:54pm
- mandk
  
  Add lack of consequences for crime.
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:16am
- Loddenthinks
  
  The assault on the nuclear family, children growing up without both parents, the collapse of the education system, inter-generational welfare dependency, soft-on-crime policies and the relentless victimhood of Maori might also have something to do with it, but that’s just a guess.
  
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  June 9, 2023 12:24pm
greybeard

Read this and weep, Wellington ratepayers.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132270603/wellington-council-plan-to-focus-on-improving-rentals-ending-homelessness
“Wellington council staff will develop a strategy to end homelessness, after a change to the city’s Housing Action Plan.” – this sounds very much like some early-Ardern era Labour promise !
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June 9, 2023 8:30am
- Swifty
  
  Be afraid.
  
  Be very afraid.
  
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  June 9, 2023 8:41am
- artemisia
  
  From that article –
  
  Tamatha Paul, chairing the meeting about the council’s Housing Action Plan, said the housing crisis was “the biggest issue facing Wellington”. “As a renter in Wellington City, it is truly one of the hardest dingiest places to rent in Aotearoa. It’s really hard trying to enjoy your life when you live in sub-par mouldy flats.”
  
  Number of rentals in New Zealand does seem to be declining. Trademe rental listings in June 2022 – 11,000. June 2023 – 7,700. Still, there are hundreds listed in Wellington so no need to live in a sub-par mouldy flat.
  
  Of course, with declining rental vacancy numbers, landlord’s risk assessment will kick in. Hard.
  
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  June 9, 2023 8:51am
  - plc
    
    I thought Climate Change was the biggest issue facing Wellington
    
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    June 9, 2023 10:15am
  - Gaetano
    
    “Number of rentals in New Zealand does seem to be declining. Trademe rental listings in June 2022 – 11,000. June 2023 – 7,700. ”
    
    The result of Government policies.
    
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    June 9, 2023 10:48am
    - artemisia
      
      Agree to government policies having a hand in rental vacancies being down. Also net immigration increase. If a landlord has the choice of an immigrant with a job and a local with a patchy work / credit / rental history … No brainer.
      
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      June 9, 2023 11:12am
  - Burtland
    
    Tamatha Paul is a marxist – ex Victoria Uni Student Union President
    
    we need normal people, everyday people in positions to change things and positions of power … like teachers, nurses, people with a criminal record, people who have been members of gangs before, people who didn’t go to uni …. We need real people being our decision makers
    
    try at 16:20 for a taster
    MaoriTV, The Outliers, Episode 1 – Last aired on Wednesday 6 October 2021
    https://www.maoritelevision.com/shows/outliers/S01E001/outliers-episode-1
    
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    June 9, 2023 11:14am
  - gravedodger
    
    What a knob Tamatha Paul, my childhood saw everyone of our society living in such housing, only almost all saw the benefits of fresh air, cleanliness, and basic house keeping to make the very best of what was on offer.
    No insulation, draughts under every door, minimal floor coverings, not even lectricity, fortunately fuel for the one car readily available.
    No puffer jackets, a child with shoes -one pair often hand me downs, get a grip you idiot.
    Oh and the fricken Climate change was still years away so frosts , fogs, drizzle regular events to be contended with.
    
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    June 9, 2023 11:39am
- ClanMcleod
  
  @greybeard – ‘ending poverty’, ‘ending homelessness’, ‘ending climate change’, ‘ending traffic accidents’.
  Why wouldn’t people vote for such an aspirational government! At least they tried…….//
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:02am
- Simon
  
  No political opposition to these nutjobs. National are useless. Hence National get their jollies from Wood & airport shares while the real job of rolling back leftards isnt carried out.
  
  Unchecked leftards are the result of National not doing their job.
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:04am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yet the useless Actbparty now want to sit on the cross benches ffs
    
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    June 9, 2023 11:07am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      [Mod – debate what a person says, don’t make it personal]
      
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      June 9, 2023 2:48pm
    - leoj
      
      Where else will the namby-pamby party get a spine?
      
      Nats can’t break through 36% because the public understand that Luxon is a waffler, a flip-flopper and woke, not too different from the Labour Party.
      
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      June 9, 2023 5:48pm
- RoboRob
  
  Sounds like they are totally focused on councils core business.
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:10am
  - Overworked
    
    Say otherwise and Tory Whanau runs to the media screaming Racism! Sexism!
    
    When I believe the people she was objecting to were saying things like “what about the drains?”
    
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    June 9, 2023 6:12pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Last time I looked, I thought it was Central Government’s job to deal with social issues. Again, just because you own a house, you have to subsidise other people’s lifestyles.
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ‘ subsidise other people’s lifestyles’ and getting a little tired of it.
    
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    June 9, 2023 9:53am
- Loddenthinks
  
  As someone much cleverer than me pointed out: the richest and most advanced economies in the world can’t end homelessness, and they want us to believe they can change the weather if we pay more taxes!
  
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  June 9, 2023 12:25pm
Chuck Bird

This is not premium

The Front Page: David Seymour on what Act wants from National and his coalition expectations

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/the-front-page-david-seymour-on-what-he-wants-from-national-and-what-he-plans-to-do-in-govt/IQUJ5JSKSJCL5OMY6KRJP54QV4/
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June 9, 2023 8:32am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Speaking to The Front Page podcast, Seymour says that flash positions and job titles aren’t the reason he’s interested in government.
  
  “The one thing Act is very clear on is that we won’t go for the baubles,” says Seymour.
  
  I seem to remember another politician who said he wasn’t interested in the “baubles of office”, but I’m blowed if I can remember who it was, and whether he took any… 😉
  
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  June 9, 2023 8:36am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    https://natlib.govt.nz/records/22836871
    
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    June 9, 2023 8:43am
  - Simon
    
    You have got this one right TS. Seymour is personally very ambitions so much so he will throw away Act principals for personal advancement. See that with man made climate fraud and Act terrible position supporting the zero coivd nutjobs recently.
    
    Seymour very keen to support the Regime.
    
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    June 9, 2023 8:56am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Next you will be telling us that Seymour is going to waka jump into Te Iwi Party because he has a tiny bit of Maori linage.
      
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      June 9, 2023 9:56am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Every now and then a reasoned and considered comment appears under your handle, which gives me pause to stop and think.
      
      This is not one of those times.
      
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      June 9, 2023 12:30pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Tony so you think comparing Seymour with Peters is reasonable?
    
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    June 9, 2023 8:59am
    - Souvlaki
      
      Its insulting…no doubt!
      Why say it Tony?
      
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      June 9, 2023 9:06am
      - plc
        
        Tribal National….
        
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        June 9, 2023 10:17am
    - hmmokrightitis
      
      I don’t. Both had “strongly held principles” until they didn’t.
      
      Seymour and his stance on vaxing kids, leaving BORA behind and calling those of us who made the choice not to get vaxed idiots shows he’s as bad as the pensioner.
      
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      June 9, 2023 10:13am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      [Don’t refer to MP’s as “little shits” here please. mod.]
      
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      June 9, 2023 11:09am
  - Dave
    
    When someone can’t remember these details, his complaint just peters out.
    
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    June 9, 2023 9:01am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Do you remember that time some random guy turned down a ministerial role so that he could focus on ensuring his end of life bill would get through and fixing his party?
    
    That’s probably a better comparison to make I think.
    
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    June 9, 2023 9:05am
  - Bob
    
    blowed if I can remember who it was,….. recently, like today, posted in KB as claiming that he turned down the offered Knighthood. Just saw a herd of pink pigs flying by too.
    
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    June 9, 2023 10:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Get rid of the Ministry of Woman’s Affairs? Good move, because it is just a place to rest until it is hometime. Show me something concrete they have done. If it stays, then a Ministry of Men’s Affairs should be established. Seems only fair.
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:00am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Steve Otto, of course this means we would need a Ministry of Trans Affairs.
    
    But would that mean we also need Ministries for the other 36 genders? Then what about the furries????
    
    It’s a conundrum. //
    
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    June 9, 2023 9:04am
    - sirknz
      
      For the furries, we just need to set up litter trays in the bathrooms.
      
      I do feel sorry for the person who would have to clean them out each day though…
      
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      June 9, 2023 9:12am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Actually, I like it!
      
      Ministry of Furry Affairs…….it has a certain ring to it!!
      
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      June 9, 2023 9:22am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ministry of Trans Affairs? No sarc, you can’t tell me some of these fruitloops have not thought of it!
      
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      June 9, 2023 9:58am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    And if Chippie doesn’t know what a woman is, how does the Ministry know who they are representing?
    
    I’m confused. 😕
    
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    June 9, 2023 9:08am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Only non-negotiable ones count. The others are just noises calculated to get votes. The following should be non-negotiable:
  
  – Drop the 39c top tax rate
  – School choice and teacher salary flexibility
  – Complete end to race-based laws and policies
  – Time limits on welfare for able bodied working age people
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:22am
- Scott
  
  “They going to have to reverse Labour Party policies which is something that they have not done before.”
  
  I hope that Act does hold National’s feet to the fire and make them reverse Labour Party policies. We can’t afford three more years of this government. However we also can’t afford three more years of the legacy of this government. They have made everything worse. Housing is worse, health is worse, education is worse, race relations are worse, the economy is worse.
  
  National will have to reverse Labour Party policies. I agree with that and that’s why I am seriously considering voting Act for the first time ever come this election.
  
  We cannot have a centre-right government that just tries to run the country as Labour has left it albeit with lower marginal tax rates. We need radical reform. National must be prepared to govern and make laws and change things. This country is declining by every conceivable metric. We cannot go on as we are.
  
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  June 9, 2023 11:00am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Listen, Luxon has stated numerous policies he will reverse, stop talking shit about what Key did or did not do
    
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    June 9, 2023 11:12am
    - leoj
      
      36% and they have hit a wall.
      
      Even the public know.
      
      Nats are weak and woke.
      
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      June 9, 2023 5:52pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Funny that, he is threatening cross bench support only, if do he will get nothing
  
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  June 9, 2023 11:08am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    That’s not how it works.
    National will govern and ACT will support them on confidence & supply.
    Everything else National want will have to be bargained for – i.e. they will have to give ACT something in return for the policies they want.
    It could end up way more costly for National than actually giving ACT some stuff up front.
    
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    June 9, 2023 1:19pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      No, ACT will get nothing, they will not be part of government, snd if they dare vote against then they are as bad as NZF, the Nats will put up exactly what they know they can, a vote for ACT is now a vote for unstable governance, bloody pathetic
      
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      June 9, 2023 2:12pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Why have you got such a hard-on for the National party?
        Is your favorite colour blue?
        Are they the one-and-only answer to every trouble that we face, and 100% correct and eternally correct at all times?
        And if they every changed or revised their policy, were they correct both before AND after they revised their policy?
        
        Ever heard of nuance, or a colour other than black and white?
        There is supporting, and then there is fanaticism.
        
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        June 9, 2023 2:56pm
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Seriously, as an ACT voter you’re saying that my vote should mean nothing but prop up your party. ACT needs strong representation now more than ever as it seems National (the supporters at least) are becoming more and more tribal and close minded.
        
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        June 9, 2023 3:28pm
- mawm
  
  I’m waiting for Seymour to stand up to his principles of libertarianism. How about bodily autonomy? How about individual sovereignty, David? Do you know how much is going to be taken away from us by the WHO? Do you still stand by your support for “vaccine passports”?
  
  Perhaps you need some education about what our government is currently involved with at the WHO. Here is a short dissertation by Dr John Campbell on the WHO’s Global Digital Health Certification Network. It will take away all our medical privacy, like our vaccine, other drug and medical history, and it will take away our ability to travel without their consent. It makes 15 minute cities seem like child play and mandated vaccines will become the new normal. Not only Seymour but Luxon as well have to know about this and yet they are remaining silent.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixnqF6vEufA&t=887s
  
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  June 9, 2023 12:32pm
cas

Watched a programme on World War II last night in which a group of men and women built a bomber ( they didn’t say which one) in under 30 hours.

Could we reincarnate them and get them over to fix our roads or build some other things?
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June 9, 2023 8:34am
- greybeard
  
  In 1945 the Americans were building a tank every 5 minutes and a ship every week.
  
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  June 9, 2023 11:54am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Yep. SD 14? Class of ship that lasted 30 to 40 years.
    Fantastic achievement.
    
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    June 9, 2023 1:41pm
  - Colville
    
    greybeard.
    You might want to check your calculator batteries.
    IIRC approx. 3000 liberty ships were built over a span of few years…so 3 – 5 per day?
    Given the Yanks entered the war in ’41 and the war in the Atlantic was effectively over by the end of ’43.
    
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    June 9, 2023 1:51pm
    - greybeard
      
      Colville: I am always very generous with my margins of error….
      
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      June 9, 2023 5:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It looks like 5 of NZ’s Universities are in the red.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018893664/universities-have-worst-financial-year-on-record-in-2022

The Government needs to decide which courses are needed for the Country’s future…

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018893678/physics-group-wants-government-to-bail-out-uni-classes

and which can be consigned to the dust bin.
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June 9, 2023 8:42am
- Flossie
  
  Agree 100%!
  
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  June 9, 2023 8:48am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Twisted courses and Māori will come before anything worthwhile
  
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  June 9, 2023 11:12am
- greybeard
  
  The next Govt needs to do this, not the current lot
  
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  June 9, 2023 11:53am
- Burtland
  
  easy, put together a study group
  – stack it with lefties
  – add leftie with a gong as figurehead
  – add H2 for some 💪
  – add Union marxist for direction and kickbacks
  implement all recommendations
  clusterfxxk complete
  
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  June 9, 2023 11:55am
- Taieri
  
  It looks like 5 of NZ’s Universities are in the red.
  
  The Government needs to decide which courses are needed for the Country’s future…
  ———————-
  
  Hopefully, this Massey University programme will be retained:
  
  https://carecca.nz/activist-in-residence/
  
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  June 9, 2023 2:30pm
Maggie Pie

Follow the money…..

https://twitter.com/ideNZcity/status/1666697610873413632

(WARNING: Vomit inducing)
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June 9, 2023 8:43am
- Simon
  
  Its this recent? Looks like a job interview for GAE.
  
  Its like Luxon when he visits school children to talk about climate change fraud. Humiliation ritual for WEF UN etc.
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:10am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I have seen Luxon go to schools about three times, he was there discussing education on all three occasions, why do you [Mod – deleted] act supported have to lie? ( not saying sll act supporters are arrogant)
    
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    June 9, 2023 11:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That was one of Jaspinda’s biggest mistakes. The vaccine deals with Pfizer must have already have been done, and her personal carrot guaranteed. There is no way we would ever get a herd immunity program going with that teasing from Pfizer. There are many reports of Japinda’s net worth, but the google machine cache is scrubbed regularly.
  I could be wrong, I have been wrong before.
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:13am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    milkey always come along to correct you tho Steve 😀
    
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    June 9, 2023 9:22am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I’m waiting for him. He knows I am correct so I don’t know how he can reverse that on me. Probably just yet another diversion being thought up.
      
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      June 9, 2023 10:02am
- ClanMcleod
  
  What a liar. And how far has John Campbell fallen.
  
  He was once a respectable journalist who actually did news stories, nothing more than another fawning media shill. How the mighty have fallen. Both of them.
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:27am
Tony Stuart

It was only a matter of time before Michael Wood became the star of a Downfall video. There are some killer lines and the reference to Anna Lorck is spot on!

https://twitter.com/aniobrien/status/1666723294530392064
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June 9, 2023 8:48am
- Maggie Pie
  
  “The people of Mt Roskill know I’m a busy man”
  
  LOL!!!
  
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  June 9, 2023 8:55am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I have a very large job. I work 80 to 90-hour weeks.
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/06/michael-wood-was-asked-12-times-including-this-year-about-selling-shares-but-continues-to-hold-them.html
    
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    June 9, 2023 9:06am
    - Ehlana
      
      If only there were people you could delegate selling shares too. Or, you know, a website which could take instructions and do it for you.
      
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      June 9, 2023 9:16am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    “I’m a man of the people. Relatable.”
    
    Very good. Not quite as good though as him claiming to be nicknamed “the Brylcream Napoleon”…
    
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    June 9, 2023 9:12am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      “But that’s not fair, I’m an inch taller than Napoleon” lol
      
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      June 9, 2023 10:05am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “Nicola Willis is going to destroy that ginger prick”
    
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    June 9, 2023 10:05am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I don’t think it would have mattered who spoke on Wednesday, the same questions would have been asked, but man did he look weak.
      
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      June 9, 2023 11:15am
- Swifty
  
  That is one of the better ones.
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:11am
- Simon
  
  Is Michael Wood insane? Bonkers mental. What about the wasters sending him 12 messages to sell the fucking shares?
  
  If you ask someone 12 times to do something important and they dont do it are they fucking mental as well?
  
  These people are in charge? (well nominally, NZ is mostly run by govt bureaucrats and overseas institutions.)
  
  Wood isnt in charge of anything as he is too mental to function.
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:16am
  - Biscuit
    
    Simon, it reminds me of the shout I got this a.m. as my better half did her ablutioning:
    
    8.12 am: Perk us a cup of coffee
    8.14 am: You haven’t replied. Are you making me the cup of coffee I asked nicely for?
    8.16am: Still no cup of coffee!
    8.18am: Bloody hell, are you trying to out-Wood a Labour Party cabinet member?
    8.19am: I’ll be out of here soon and if my cup of coffee isn’t ready for me I’ll only be giving you 7 more alerts…
    
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    June 9, 2023 10:48am
  - RoboRob
    
    Listened to the Tinetti privillages committee yesterday (awesome work by Woodhouse btw). Her defense rests on ‘We talked multiple times about wanting to release the figures with our new policy, but that was just a hope. I never thought my department had any control of the release date’. lala land stuff.
    
    However the Labour and Greens on the comittee were pretty much just asking patsy questions. Parker ended it on time but 2 questions remained un asked. Woodhouse asked that she reply to those in writing, Parker declines. Doesn’t really sound like people really wanting to get to the truth.
    
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    June 9, 2023 11:09am
    - Dougal10
      
      Tinitti’s week has got worse. This high school rostered home thing is an absolute cluster,
      
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      June 9, 2023 2:02pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Bloody hilarious! “Don’t worry, Anna Lorck will never become a Minister”!! Lol!
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:20am
Bobba Fret

I was just looking at the “Our Team” section of the Labour party website (what a bunch of numpties many of who I haven’t even heard of), and thought to myself, Phil Twyford must be sitting there grinning to himself this week thinking, here I am on the best paying gig I will probably ever get, and I am arguably one of the best performing party members this year as I have not been in the news for any controversies. Keeping his head down and out of the lime light seems to be the best thing a Labour party member can do!
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June 9, 2023 8:49am
Rusty

The latest crime wave with evil minded 13-18 year olds is to target elderly people in their homes, threaten them with machetes and other weapons, demand their car keys and go for joy rides in their cars.

Hundreds of these crimes are happening in Melbourne/ Aust at the moment.

It’s only a matter of time that like minded evil teens start doing this in NZ.

Our govt and judges can do something about this right now before it gets out of hand — harsher penalties for teen home invasions.

But do you think they will?
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June 9, 2023 8:50am
cmm

Luxon really needs to learn to control his mouth.

Yes, he’s 100% correct about babygate. He’d be even more correct if he pointed out that it is the wrong people doing what little breeding is happening (ie. generally tax consumers rather than tax payers).

But he seems oblivious to the fact that everything he says will be bent out of proportion and used against him.

No, it’s not fair. Nobody said it was. But it’s the the only game on the field. If he wants to play the game then he has to take it as it is.
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June 9, 2023 9:00am
- slightlyrighty
  
  At least he is addressing the issue, and the upside is actually watching the Left twist the issue to suit them, and being nasty about it.
  
  Voters are beginning to cotton on just how unkind the party of kindness is, as is the media, as shown by Tracey Watkins column the other day.
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:16am
- Simon
  
  Unless Luxon is being called a racist by the political left 4 times or more each week he isnt doing his job.
  
  No one has called Luxon a racist in weeks. He isnt doing his job.
  
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  June 9, 2023 9:19am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Hahahaha, they don’t have time to call him a racist as they are busy with Labour internal wrangling
    
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    June 9, 2023 11:18am
- leoj
  
  But does Luxon have the guts to suggest that the wrong people are having babies?
  
  Anyone with a half a brain knows the answer.
  
  Practically all politicians live in fear of the wokesters.
  
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  June 9, 2023 5:59pm
AgainstTheFlow

No one seems to have noticed that Micheal Wood passed legislation regulating airport business dealings while holding shares in the biggest airport.
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June 9, 2023 9:07am
- cmm
  
  Even the MSM noticed.
  
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  June 9, 2023 10:26am
  - AgainstTheFlow
    
    I haven’t seen any mention of the Civil Aviation Act, the 450+ page legislation that sets out airports’ ability to set prices for aeronautical services.
    
    Or the RASUs. And the power to have bylaws.
    
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    June 9, 2023 2:03pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes it has been mentioned, snd it was the media who bought it up, I sense a turn in the air
  
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  June 9, 2023 11:19am
I remember when

Interesting that for all the reporting about Labour indiscretions, no-one is acknowledging the benefits Luxon brings with his managerial experience.
Many of Labours problems, are the result of their promotion of diversity over other candidates who may have had more ability.
The greater the diversity, the great managerial skill needed.
Labour has shown the dangers of being in government without strong management at the top.
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June 9, 2023 9:07am
Maggy Wassilieff

Congratulations to a young Wahine mayor with style and grace.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/rotorua-mayor-tania-tapsell-delivers-baby-girl-announces-unique-name/BT4OHLJO4JD75LXLTUJI5HCTKI/
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June 9, 2023 9:22am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Indeed. But, back at work before the end the month? She should really take more time off. Give yourself a break, Tania.
  
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  June 9, 2023 7:06pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Heading up the Boohai….

http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2023/06/waka-kotahis-worse-than-useless-road.html
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June 9, 2023 9:34am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The boohai. I remember my Dad saying that.
  Where are you going?
  Up the boohai shooting pukakas with a long handled shovel!
  
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  June 9, 2023 10:14am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My gran used to say…
    “It’s a wigwam for a gooses bridle for winding up the sun”
    
    I said it to a girl at tennis once and she looked at me like I was an idiot. LOL!
    
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    June 9, 2023 11:53am
  - Diogenes
    
    I learned “up the boohai” as a pre-schooler, so it’s been around a LOOOOONG time. I often wondered about the origin. One theory I read was that “boohai” is a corruption of Puhoi (that little dot north of Auckland which produces the best yoghurt in the world). Don’t know whether it’s true, though. Can anyone throw more light?
    
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    June 9, 2023 12:26pm
    - KH
      
      I read a list of Indian names once in a glossary. A number of which were in my father’s vocab in the 1950s.
      eg ‘dekko’ for ‘look’. Chai obviously and others.
      Seemed to be names that came with the colonists and the India connection of that time.
      Maybe “Boohai” was one of those. Seemed to mean the “back of beyond”
      
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      June 9, 2023 1:09pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The ‘boohai’ is on the other side of the ‘black stump.’
        
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        June 10, 2023 8:33am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep, the Boohai – Puhoi version is the one favoured by Harry Orsman in his Dictionary of NZ English (p. 77-78)
      
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      June 9, 2023 6:46pm
- Local Miller
  
  An excellent article. Logic says, and most countries do this that the next MAJOR town on the route must always be included, then the next town of significance, up to at most 3 towns. With distances! They should also be in order, with the closest at the top and the major town in a larger font.
  The one I “love” is heading along SH16 going east and looking for the North Shore off ramp. It gives Whangarei as the destination, but this is 160km north of the turn off. What about all the other towns in between? What about a tourist looking for Albany or Silverdale, etc.
  
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  June 9, 2023 11:49am
BeaB

I thought the Ardern-led government was the worst we have ever had. Hipkins is proving to be even worse.
Kick them out now.
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June 9, 2023 9:43am
Maggie Pie

My partners mum sends link…

Saying how much she loved holidaying in Rotorua when she was a child. It was such a safe fun place then. Throwing halfpennies off the Waka Bridge for the Maori kids to dive for. Guide Rangi and the geysers. Still has a wee plastic tiki her dad bought her.
Somethings changed 🙁

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1666563318952124416
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June 9, 2023 9:52am
- Burtland
  
  Rotorua fire safety inspectors want stabproof vests
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018893646/fire-safety-staff-denied-stabproof-vests-for-risky-inspections
  
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  June 9, 2023 11:38am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    https://youtu.be/A_sY2rjxq6M
    
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    June 9, 2023 12:08pm
  - cmm
    
    What’s the hell is the problem with this nanny state telling us what safety equipment we can and cannot wear?
    
    Anyone should be allowed to wear a stab proof (or bullet proof) vest/helmet/whatever without having to justify themselves.
    
    A stab proof vest is not a weapon. It can’t hurt anyone. There should be no debate about this.
    
    I also think that they, and anyone that wants, should have pepper spray (at least), but that’s entirely a different conversation.
    
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    June 9, 2023 12:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
Seems the meetings in Nelson are bigger than any in the North Island. That is a good thing.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/second-nelson-meeting-full/
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June 9, 2023 10:21am
Maggy Wassilieff

Read this and see how our caring, kind Government dumps mentally ill, psychotically disturbed folk subject to a Compulsory Treatment Plans in unsafe emergency accommodation…and then spends weeks trying to avoid answering questions about the issue.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/rotorua-emergency-housing-the-four-canoes-hotel-fire-report-is-a-damning-assessment/TDWYJQ6LGRATTD66KUBQQ6PTJA/
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June 9, 2023 10:23am
- Ghost
  
  It’s time to revisit having certain folks in society, it’s not safe for them and it’s not safe for us.
  
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  June 9, 2023 11:42am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Joe and Hunter Biden got $5M each? Joe Biden must be impeached.

https://valiantnews.com/2023/06/he-took-a-bribe-mtg-unloads-after-viewing-fbi-doc-on-biden/
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June 9, 2023 10:27am
- mandk
  
  There can be little doubt that Biden is on the take.
  
  He has been a career politician, and they don’t have much of a salary in the USA.
  
  And, yet, he is worth hundreds of millions.
  
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  June 9, 2023 11:05am
  - kevn
    
    @mandk… He will die rich. Sooo aspirational. Can never have too much. It seems.
    
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    June 9, 2023 5:41pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Has this been accepted finally? They have been talking about this for more than two weeks
  
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  June 9, 2023 11:21am
- Inandout
  
  SO, I think a President can pardon himself or some such thing. Rather like pardoning a prisoner on death row so the punishment remains, less the chair.
  
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  June 9, 2023 11:27am
thirteenstars

Don Brash, on the housing market:

In American cities which have not tried to limit urban sprawl, median house prices are three or four times the median household income in those cities, making house prices “affordable”. In Auckland, the median house price reached eleven times the median household income in 2021 and is not much lower even now. In Tauranga, the median house price is close to twelve times the median household income. So in both cities – and in Wellington and other cities – houses are wildly unaffordable.

And it isn’t the houses themselves which are ridiculously over-priced, it is the land on which they sit, often tiny sections of 300 square metres or less. The Property Editor of the Herald has noted that the relatively small houses/apartments built by Williams Corporation in Auckland averaged just $180,000 in 2021; the larger houses built by GJ Gardner averaged $350,000. The reason why “house prices” average around $1 million is simply that the land the houses sit on is absurdly over-priced, all because of a silly fixation about “urban sprawl”. The one thing that New Zealand is not short of is land, and tightly restricting its availability for housing development means that a substantial proportion of the population has not a hope in hell of ever owning the roof over their heads.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/don-brash-in-defence-of-urban-sprawl

Sprawl, baby, sprawl. Light, space, peace. Build out, not up.
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June 9, 2023 10:28am
- All_on_Red
  
  Its both land and houses which are too much.
  They keep raising the Build Standards and adding Regulation. Its adding huge costs.
  
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  June 9, 2023 11:43am
  - thirteenstars
    
    It’s a given that building costs are higher due to regulation since regulation increases costs.
    
    But when land exists in abundance, only artificially restricted by a corrupt ideology, and when the cost of land is 60-70% of the property price, well, it’s pretty obvious which problem needs to be fixed first.
    
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    June 9, 2023 12:06pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      One of my friends just bought some land in that Warkworth Ridge project for a retirement home
      Apparently the Agent said 5 years for a Zoning change and since no more arable land can be built on, they would fail if they tried to do it now
      5 years before you can even start!
      That Kapiti Airport is the same
      It’s crazy
      
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      June 9, 2023 12:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump arrest next week? This will be fun.

https://valiantnews.com/2023/06/breaking-biden-doj-informs-trump-he-will-be-indicted-next-week/
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June 9, 2023 10:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Trump will still be on to Alvin Bragg for the last arrest.
  Bragg will lose his job.
  
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  June 9, 2023 10:32am
- Inandout
  
  SO, the anti Trumps are throwing everything possible at the man to prevent him running for President. I think it has reached a stage where Bragg can be accused of throwing accusations and hoping some will stick. There is a legal name for it.
  
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  June 9, 2023 11:31am
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘A poll published Wednesday by Rasmussen Reports found that 60% of likely U.S. voters believe that the FBI was involved in covering up the Biden family’s alleged crimes. The survey found 48% of respondents thought a cover-up was “very likely” compared to 33% who didn’t believe an FBI cover-up was likely.’
  https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/polling/hold-60-likely-us-voters-believe-fbi-helped-cover-biden-family-crimes-poll
  
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  June 9, 2023 12:11pm
Biscuit

WARNING!

Chippie is in SO much bovine excreta at present that, you know, I really fear he might – beginning tonight – resume his visits to the Cossie Club here in Upper Hutt to show, you know, that he remains a Man of the People…
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June 9, 2023 10:40am
- mandk
  
  Thanks for the warning, Biscuit. I was thinking of going there tomorrow evening to watch the Brumbies v Hurricanes game.
  
  But now, maybe not.
  
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  June 9, 2023 11:02am
k1w1

I’m confused. Sometimes we see the mods pull posters up for not using correct names, then we see “Chippie”, amongst others, being used freely.

In the good-natured spirit it is intended, I’m going to nominate a new nickname for our friend, one Michael Wood, borrowed in part from that most excellent film Goodfellas.

Mickey 12-times.

[Mod – Chippie is an acceptable nickname as Chris goes by it]
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June 9, 2023 10:56am
- All_on_Red
  
  God forbid you call one of the ‘members’ here a liar, even when they have been lying for 10 years!
  
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  June 9, 2023 12:29pm
- Biscuit
  
  Indeed, Mod.
  
  If someone says ‘Call me Chippie
  . I am hardly likely to begin calling him ‘Clown’, right?
  
  Names are names – you should hear some of the ones I ignore, ha…
  
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  June 9, 2023 12:51pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  And let’s not forget during the Labor Party conference, the Deputy PM referred to him as …..”a ginga from the Hutt”
  
  So assume that is acceptable as well now?
  
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  June 9, 2023 1:17pm
ClanMcleod

For those with an interest in golf, the recent truce and joining of the PGA and the Saudi funded LIV will hopefully stop the bitter acrimony and allow the game to move forward.

According to the Babylon Bee, there are going to be a few golf rule changes pushed by the Saudis as part of the deal.

1) Players who hit an errant shot must yell “ALLAHU AKBAR!” instead of “FORE!”: We’re pretty sure fans will pay a little more attention when someone starts screaming this.

2) If you hit a woman with your shot, it’s an automatic birdie: Serves them right for attending a golf tournament without their husbands’ permission.

3) Players will be allowed to eliminate one stroke per round, known as the “Kashoggi rule”: Very handy.

4) Bunkers will be booby-trapped with mines from the Golan Heights: It will give a whole new meaning to the phrase “explode out of the sand”.

5) Every tournament will begin with the ceremonial Stoning of the Gay: As is Saudi tradition.

6) If players miss a putt less than two feet, guards immediately chop off their hands: Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman believes if you miss a putt at that distance, you no longer deserve hands.

7) Once per weekend, they will let a suicide bomber loose on the course: Golf will never be boring again.

8) Winners will receive a new wife along with their oversized check: Right up Tiger’s alley.

9) Players will be caned at the end of each round for each stroke over par: No more players cashing it in on a lousy round.

10) If a player’s tee shot hits a Jew, they are instantly declared tournament champion: Are we sure this merger was a good idea?

I’m guessing the number of viewers of golf tournaments will go up dramatically.

https://babylonbee.com/news/ten-exciting-new-golf-rules-coming-to-the-pga-liv-merger
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June 9, 2023 11:15am
- Ehlana
  
  What if the woman has her husband’s permission?
  
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  June 9, 2023 11:44am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Ehlana – she’ll get a free yearly subscription to the Woman’s Weekly for asking permission.
    
    Either that or her husband will get executed for encouraging women to challenge their place in society. lol
    
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    June 9, 2023 12:34pm
Maggie Pie

Any truth to the rumor that the reason we have sooo many potholes in our roads…. is because since Marsden Point closed, we no longer use ‘oil-based-tar’?

They reckon it was Cindy’s decision to appease the Greens that it is now ‘water-based’. And that’s why it washes away when it rains.

Hmmm.
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June 9, 2023 11:22am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I commented earlier about the quality of the road markings. That would explain it, they’re water based.
  
  😂😂😂
  
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  June 9, 2023 11:34am
- Ghost
  
  Seems a few labour mp’s careers are water based as well
  
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  June 9, 2023 11:36am
- cmm
  
  I doubt it Maggie, but, like many incorrect rumours can have a smidge of truth in them.
  
  Just like not all coal is the same, not all tars are the same. Low quality tar behaves differently from high quality stuff and depending on the other muck in it, can absorb water and lose integrity.
  
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  June 9, 2023 12:38pm
Ghost

The cooling pond at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is in danger of collapse as a result of the destruction of the Kakhovka dam and the draining of its reservoir, according to a French nuclear safety organisation.

Without the reservoir on the other side to counteract it, the internal pressure of the water in the cooling pool could breach the dyke around it, a report by the Paris-based Institute for Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety (IRSN) said.

The loss of the pool would not necessarily be catastrophic as other sources of water could be brought in, such as pumping trucks, to prevent a meltdown of the plant’s nuclear fuel, but a loss of the cooling pool would dramatically increase safety concerns at the plant.

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June 9, 2023 11:40am
- All_on_Red
  
  So who did it?
  
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  June 9, 2023 12:29pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I would say the US. Even if not them physically, they will have directed it. Same as with the Nordstream pipeline. The CIA and NATO are driving the Ukrainian responses.
    But like with the pipeline, we may never know.
    
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    June 9, 2023 12:43pm
    - cmm
      
      The Nordstream Pipeline could have been done by two guys from Tauranga Scuba Club. There’s little technology required.
      
      But almost certainly there would have been a state actor behind it: USA or Poland had the most to gain.
      
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      June 9, 2023 5:16pm
  - mawm
    
    The Brits/CIA. They need to pump up the “Putin evil” narrative to try and get the world back on their side and of course funding and weapons.
    
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    June 9, 2023 12:46pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    This is a reasonable channel with good analysis. Of course, no way of knowing for sure, but it presents well.
    
    ‘Military Summary’
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQmvc7qwd9o
    
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    June 9, 2023 12:48pm
- Cinematic
  
  My guess is it is a planned part of Ukraine’s counter-offensive. The flooding appears to deliver a net positive for Ukraine.
  
  Also Ukraine has little interest in preserving infrastructure. It can be rebuilt many times better with western dollars down the track.
  
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  June 9, 2023 2:31pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Doubt it. The Ukrainians wanted to launch a tank offensive downstream of the dam. Hard to get the tanks going through the resulting morass.
    
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    June 9, 2023 7:15pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It’s time to move on, folks

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/06/labour-party-ready-to-move-on-after-michael-wood-jan-tinetti-dramas-minister-ginny-andersen.html
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June 9, 2023 12:34pm
- Ghost
  
  Agree, it’s time to move on to the next minister to get fired in 3.2.1
  
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  June 9, 2023 12:40pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Ginny Andersen, yer dreamin’ mate…….!
  
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  June 9, 2023 12:57pm
- peterwn
  
  If Michael Wood was a National MP, Ginny Andersen would be screaming ‘Corruption’. She will resume her role of corruption cop after the October election.
  
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  June 9, 2023 7:38pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

If NZ becomes a republic, does Kingi Tuheitia lose his throne?
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June 9, 2023 12:52pm
ClanMcleod

Sean Plunkett. The Platform.

Open.
Tolerant.
Fair.

That’s what it says on their homepage. Well check out this thread on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/c_plushie/status/1666418343799296007?s=20

In November last year a caller rang in to talk about the digital vaxx passes and how people were wanting to move on. The caller pointed out that the WHO was still driving this concept, that they were meeting in Bali at that time to discuss it.

Plunkett’s response has to be listened to. The derision and sarcasm is disgusting.

Aw for god’s sake Paul, what’s this got to do with Bali? The WHO are meeting in Bali, so effing what?

And how do you know that Paul?

Paul doesn’t get a chance to respond, Plunkett answers for him.

Because you read it on the internet. Because someone in your stupid, moronic bloody echo chamber sent it to you.

Plunkett asks Paul how he knows this. Paul explains that he saw the meeting, it was available to view on the internet. Plunkett’s response?

He mocks the caller, deriding Paul’s comment.

“I saw it on the internet” – Paul, goodbye.

Watch the whole video, at just after one minute in it cuts to Tedros clearly explaining that a digital health passport, including vaccine status, is EXACTLY what they want to implement.

Currently negotiations are underway to give the WHO power to implement health policies globally.
This is happening, another ‘conspiracy’ that is 100% true.

Plunkett’s platform has some good moments, but his point blank refusal to acknowledge the problems and abuses of the last few years is something to behold. His nastiness towards what he calls “bloody anti vaxxers” is astonishing.

He’s up there with Seymour in the ‘denying facts in front of your face stakes’.

Open.
Tolerant.
Fair.

What an ‘effing joke’, to paraphrase Plunkett.
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June 9, 2023 1:26pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Here’s the announcement from the European Commission and the WHO.
  
  https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1665688463893512192?s=20
  
  No conspiracies were harmed in the making of this post.
  
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  June 9, 2023 1:32pm
- Albie
  
  I’m sorry Clan, but I tend to side with Plunkett and Seymour on this. The anti vax conspiracy rhetoric is morphing into moon landing/ twin towers territory now. We know the covid response was a massive overreaction by politicians and so called heath professionals, but we can deal with them at the ballot box.
  We need to call them out and move 0n.
  
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  June 9, 2023 7:39pm
  - Keith White
    
    If you were one of the people who lost loved ones and careers and businesses and relationships because of the “overreaction”, would you be so keen on moving on?
    
    “Never forget, never forgive.”
    
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    June 9, 2023 9:32pm
ClanMcleod

Guy Hatchard does an extended blog post on the subject.

The World Health Organisation has announced an agreement with the European Union to develop a digital health certificate. WHO has stated that they will use the “EU Digital COVID Certificate” as a model to establish a global digital health certificate otherwise known as a vaccine passport (you can follow the reaction on Twitter here).

Worryingly, the head of Auckland Grammar sounds as though he is intent on supporting this push, has he not heard that the covid vaccines are dangerous to young males in particular?

Tim O’Connor has written on 1st June to parents and friends of the School and spoken to the student body saying:

“It is our intention for all teaching and extracurricular programmes to be in person, with appropriate health and safety procedures in place”. Warning students that “personal health can affect their ability to attend and/or to actively participate in School activities”.

He announced that AGS has received advice from Public Health and medical professionals about the need for pupils to receive MMR shots and influenza vaccines. Mask wearing is also advised.

The sad thing is, many people still think Ardern was ‘amazing’ and that she saved 80,000 lives. This school policy will do nothing but cause even more division in society. The ‘filthy unvaxxed’ will be yet again excluded from society.

This is Ardern’s legacy, and it isn’t a a stretch to compare it to Nazi Germany in 1934, because it’s almost exactly the same. She laid the groundwork for the implementation of a fascist state, that work continues by people like the head of Auckland Grammar enabling divisive policies.

People keep wanting to ‘move on’ from covid. How is that possible when one of our top schools is endorsing medical apartheid? When none of our politicians will even admit there might have been some problems? When our MoH continues to push vaccines that don’t work?

Where are we heading as a country?

https://hatchardreport.com/speak-up-now-it-is-almost-too-late/
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June 9, 2023 1:44pm
- cmm
  
  We ended up with passports the same way (that’s the modern form of passports, I’m not talking about the types of documents they had 300 years ago).
  
  Passports were introduced in Europe as a temporary measure for WW1. Look what happened.
  
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  June 9, 2023 5:13pm
Maggie Pie

Sounds like Meng’s found something to justify his $300k salary.

Just heard him on ZB News saying “he’s not happy with the apology” from Wellington City Councillor Nicola Young, who called the Chinese Garden on the waterfront….”Uyghur’s Park”

What’s Meng got against the poor Uyghurs?
They are the most persecuted race of people in China. Over a million of them have been imprisoned and subjected to forced labor, torture, rape and sterilization by their Chinese captors.

A friend just asked who they would contact to make a complaint of racism against the RCC?
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June 9, 2023 1:52pm
- Ghost
  
  Kiri Allen seems to have good contacts with him ask her…..
  
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  June 9, 2023 1:53pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I read somewhere she lives rent-free in his head 😀
    
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    June 9, 2023 2:17pm
Ghost

It will be called “I accomplished nothing and lied non stop”

Dame Jacinda Ardern is set to sign a massive new book deal, which has the publishing industry abuzz with speculation of a possible $1 million-plus record advance.

Paywalled article
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June 9, 2023 3:01pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Done and dusted from what we hear. One of the girls from tennis is a rep for Penguin and had been sworn to silence.
  
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  June 9, 2023 3:20pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Thdey published SPARE!!!
    
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    June 9, 2023 5:43pm
    - Ghost
      
      So they have a reputation for publishing books that go straight to the bargain bin and just sit there.
      
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      June 9, 2023 5:48pm
- greybeard
  
  Next years’ Booker Prize for Fiction.
  
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  June 9, 2023 5:02pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Xmas presies for the hard-to-please rellies?
    
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    June 9, 2023 6:32pm
    - Matt Long
      
      Something to give that relative you don’t really like. I wonder who the ghost writer will be.
      
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      June 9, 2023 7:14pm
      - Ghost
        
        Someone who uses Crayons to write
        
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        June 9, 2023 7:16pm
Ghost

Brian telling lies again, who would have guessed

The Warehouse has clapped back at self-styled Apostle Brian Tamaki, who claimed the chain was selling puberty blockers, telling him to stop spreading disinformation.

In a video posted on Twitter, Tamaki tells a service: “The transgender agenda must be stopped. We will legislate against the whole gay pride movement.”

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June 9, 2023 3:05pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Brian’s wife is really lovely.
  We often see her shopping in Remmers. Drives a white double R.
  
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  June 9, 2023 3:28pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Who said that crime doesn’t pay?
    
    And for another cliche: A fool and their money are soon parted.
    
    Only thing I can say for the Bishop and Mrs. Bishop is that they piss off some of the people who deserve it.
    Other than that, leeches in human form.
    
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    June 9, 2023 3:48pm
Maggie Pie

To think we nearly bought a beachfront pad in Tauranga once!

The joint is fast becoming like a seaside RotoVegas 🙁

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1667004916970184706
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June 9, 2023 4:38pm
- cmm
  
  Here’s the worst bit Maggie…
  
  When the restaurant owner called 111 she was told to phone back later because they were changing shifts.
  
  Seriously? Someone’s life is being threatened and 111 can’t do anything because they’re changing shifts???
  
  This is a serious dereliction of duty on the part of the police. The agreement we have with them is that they have the monopoly on violence in society and they respond to call outs. Now. Not tomorrow. Not when they’ve finished their donut. Now.
  
  One thing about keeping a shottie behind the door. It doesn’t change shifts!
  
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  June 9, 2023 5:41pm
Maggie Pie

Dont even no if he’s still on patrol this time of nite….but heres one for Batz

https://twitter.com/notgwendalupe/status/1666878968027570177
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June 9, 2023 7:56pm
Ghost

No surprise

Māori with spiritual ties to Mount Ruapehu are not ruling out a high court injunction that would stop a controversial plan for the future of the mountain.

On Monday, Cabinet is expected to decide on a proposal from the Ministry of Business Innovation and Employment’s (MBIE) regional development unit Kānoa to have two entities take on the running of the mountain’s two ski fields.

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