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Bridgenag

Medical News Round-up
Conventional medicine continues to fail

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/medical-news-round-up?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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June 4, 2023 8:08am
Prince

Consider the following sentence.
The Government has the statutory ability to tax and rate and hence currently enjoys a domestic currency AAA rating from Standard & Poor’s with net core Crown debt (excluding the NZ Super Fund assets) projected to rise from $57 billion in 2018 to $179 billion in 2024 or circa 43.1% of GDP. This means debt has been growing at circa $20 billion per annum over the last 6 years.

Why would anyone, under the age of 50, vote for a Labour Govt that has sentenced them to a future, at best, of high taxes, just to repay a debt they have already incurred ?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300895187/would-any-bank-give-this–government-a-loan
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June 4, 2023 8:14am
- kowtow
  
  Your average lock down loving ,swing voter of the Teddy Bear cult ain’t the smartest.
  
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  June 4, 2023 9:47am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Its simple:
  
  1 – Wealth is theft
  2 – Tax is Love (Be kiiinndd)
  3 – The education system which is dominated by Left wing teachers and academics pushes themes of kindest and no competition that allow 1 and 2 to have a fertile ground to mature in as children grow to their early 20’s
  4 – Parties on the Centre Right or Right of politics have allow 3 to happen
  5 – Parties on the Centre Right and Right do not and will not make the case for individual responsibility or fiscal discipline
  
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  June 4, 2023 11:15am
Simon

Incoming National led govt will slow the rate of decline for sure. However they will not reverse it. Then 6 yrs later after the Nats are voted out then the real pain for NZ gets underway.
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June 4, 2023 8:23am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Years from now when the decline of NZ is a well established fact, there will be a blame game.
  
  The left will not take any responsibility for what they have done.
  
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  June 4, 2023 9:54am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  When we get rid of this useless government, they will not be back for a long time. Just look at 2017 9 years of Nats, and they were e well ahead of Labour, Peters went left cause of hatred, so Nats should have won the 4 th term, and if Peters had done what the voters asked for, then Nats would have got the 50% majority thanks to covid
  
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  June 4, 2023 10:12am
  - Che Guava
    
    National governments are really just a plateau period before another Labour administration takes the country down even further. I can’t really recall anything the Key government changed or reversed substantively, they just managed what existed a bit better. I grant that they are better managers, but they are certainly not change-makers, which is not good enough.
    
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    June 4, 2023 10:48am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Well, Key went to China, he gained chilled meat to China for the first time in history, that piece of work has under pinned fluctuation in beef snd lamb prices, what usual was a boom or bust has only had a drop of a couple of dollars top to bottom, without this work farmers use to have at least one year of No profits in three years, that has never happened since, that work right there was possibly one of the most productive pieces of work for agri by a government for a very long time
      
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      June 4, 2023 11:07am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    The idea that good government relies on National being in power all the time, is simple-minded because it’s something that’s not possible.
    
    What’s needed is this:
    
    “I do not believe that the solution to our problem is simply to elect the right people. The important thing is to establish a political climate of opinion which will make it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing. Unless it is politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing, the right people will not do the right thing either, or if they try, they will shortly be out of office.”
    – Milton Freidman
    
    And although I voted for John Key and National more than once, here’s what I predicted about him and his National government here on Kiwiblog in 2008:
    
    what is National going to do should it win this November beyond babysitting the institutions of Labour and the Left. Nursing those things along, tiring all the time and steadily losing votes simply by being in Government and getting blamed for the insanities of those self-same institutions. Until the day comes, one or two election cycles down the road, when a revitalised Labour gets back into power and gets to push forward some more. Ratchet Socialism at its best.
    
    If you’re still around in 2035 you’ll be looking at a Labour government (of either 3 or 6 years vintage) that’s worse than this one, you’ll be even angrier about it than you are now, and yet you’ll still be demanding nothing more than the same solution: Vote National Forever.
    
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    June 4, 2023 1:13pm
ClanMcleod

Further to a post talking about masks and the fact they are NOT mandatory in health care settings as many still believe. This explains it very well.

https://twitter.com/c_plushie/status/1664790843851698176?s=20
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June 4, 2023 8:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I have saved that link, and I am going to hammer it home.
  Due for a blood test this week, we will see what Labtests say.
  
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  June 4, 2023 8:43am
  - Xquenda Choudhury
    
    I have a blood test every fortnight. A few weeks ago a guy walked in without a mask. He was told to leave and after arguing eventually did so. It defies logic. The people getting blood tests are exposed to people not wearing masks everywhere but in the waiting room of the blood test centre.
    
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    June 4, 2023 8:56am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Just show them what Clan posted. They are forcing their control over you.
      Tell them to fuck off.
      
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      June 4, 2023 8:57am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        [Mod – abuse deleted] The only people abusing their rush of power are the assholes who implemented these rules in such a way that so many don’t understand them.
        
        Those ‘tossers’ you allude to are doing nothing wrong. The people at facilities telling them they have to wear them are wrong and are breaching human rights.
        Nobody needs to berate them, but by refusing to wear a mask people are doing nothing wrong.
        
        I recommend printing off a copy of the actual regulations as per the post above. Hand it to the person and politely ask them to read it, that you’ll wait.
        
        But you prefer to abuse a citizen legally going about their business. Sums you up very well.
        
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        December 4, 2022 9:52am
      - MCōs
        
        They can’t can they
        They work there
        
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        June 4, 2023 9:04am
      - Mike
        
        MCōs
        Tossers like those just love berating the junior staff at medical centers, etc. Gives them a momentary rush of power in their generally pathetic lives.
        
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        June 4, 2023 9:27am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Clan,
        Settle down, it is not WW3
        
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        June 4, 2023 10:48am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Steve – I would disagree, I think we are in WW3. It’s just completely different from any previous war, it’s a hybrid war.
        Covid, climate, race, gender – all of these divisions are not accidental. We are being driven towards the ‘Great Reset’. Democracies are being undermined absolutely everywhere.
        
        As for my WW2 references, I firmly believe them.
        We often ask the question about why people supported Hitler during the war. Why did previously rational people commit atrocities during that time.
        Sadly, the covid era and the abuse imposed on non compliant ‘anti vaxxers’ which we’ve witnessed has revealed that there are plenty in society who would go down the path at the drop of a hat.
        
        Think back on the images of people being abused in supermarkets, beaten by police, surveilled by drones when out walking in the country and ordered home, shot at with tear gas and rubber bullets for daring impose these draconian measures.
        
        Here’s a trailer for an upcoming doco on the nightmare. You’ll see a couple of reminders of just how shit the last 3 years have been.
        
        https://rumble.com/v2rot6y-plandemic-the-official-great-awakening-trailer.html
        
        This was a nightmare. This was and is full on tyranny.
        So no, I won’t be calming down anytime soon. Not until there is some acknowledgment of the horrors that have been inflicted on people and promises not to let it happen again.
        
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        June 4, 2023 11:33am
      - rouppe
        
        @clan, what regulations that say they’re no longer required at gp clinics and diagnostics facilities. Can you provide a link, cause a twitter video isn’t that
        
        I’ve not seen any change to the mask regulations for those places…?
        
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        June 4, 2023 1:57pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Clan, your 11.33 comment.
        I have seen that great awakening trailer – although a shorter version I think.
        Many things you mention I totally agree with.
        It’s just the mask thing gets up my left nostril. I hate being told what to do, when I know I do not have to do it – unless blackmailed. Put a mask on or go away Steve. It don’t work like that for me. Sure they are only doing their job, but they can do the dam job without the mask and without telling me I have to. Sometimes I am glad I am 71 so 19 possibly) more years of this rubbish before I clock out.
        Anyway, that trailer. There are many things going on there. I have watched it twice.
        This World is in for a big hammering, a war. It is a psychological war. The mentally strong will have trouble. Those not so strong will perish.
        
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        June 4, 2023 3:02pm
    - covfefe
      
      Complain in writing – which lab?
      
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      June 4, 2023 10:30am
    - covfefe
      
      I have largely stopped wearing mask at hospital where I work – so far only one of two ‘Karens’ have told me off. Have been surprised by some of the people telling me they wish they could do the same.
      The nurses are so sick of the masks. The rest just leave me alone – I will sometimes on ward round but usually around my chin. We need to rise up against the masks.
      
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      June 4, 2023 10:32am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Doctor visit means a mask. As soon as in the room with the Doc, mask comes off. Back on again to exit and off when I walk out the main door. Turn around and wave – they know why.
        
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        June 4, 2023 3:11pm
    - rouppe
      
      I got a blood test a week ago. It was weird.
      
      I didn’t wear a mask, and seeing everybody wearing one, and the signs saying you had to, I got that old mask exemption ready.
      
      Sat down, nothing was said. Oddly, one of the nurses asked someone else to wear one, but I never was asked. Even when I went into the rooms, the flobotomist I had said nothing.
      
      Went to the gp 2 days later, was asked, said I had an exemption and started to pull it up on my phone but the receptionist said “no worries, just take a seat”.
      
      Contrast with a couple of months ago accompanying my son to a Radiology place for an x ray where they got extremely pissy
      
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      June 4, 2023 1:51pm
  - Bloody Dago
    
    Had a BT 4 weeks ago – no mask no drama Labtest Westgate Auckland.
    
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    June 4, 2023 10:25am
  - Ghost
    
    Why? They’re just staff doing what headoffice tell them to do for crap pay. Last time I had a blood tesr was talking to the nurse who said she hated wearing the mask but she’s was still made to.
    
    I don’t have a problem with those who have decided to wear a mask, that is their personal decision, just as it is mine not to. See a few around town who still wear them. No one knows why either. When my relative had his hip done a month before he was told don’t go out, alot of hips and knees were be canceled because of flu, so was told if he had to go out wear a mask.
    
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    June 4, 2023 11:14am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Ghost – the thing is she doesn’t have to do it. If she chooses to voluntarily so be it. But read the legislation. She isn’t compelled to.
      
      Complying with this shit is what got us into this mess in the first place.
      
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      June 4, 2023 11:36am
      - rouppe
        
        Dug into the legislation
        
        https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2022/0255/latest/whole.html#LMS748419
        
        And S5 does seem to read that way:
        
        Person must wear mask at certain health service premises
        (1) A person must wear a mask when they are at the premises of a health service unless—
        (a) the person is a patient or worker of the health service; or
        
        That would seem to exclude everyone except visitors from wearing a mask!
        
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        June 4, 2023 2:05pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @ rouppe.
        
        I have that exemption, thing is I did not give a reason. Ticked ‘other’ I think, and was not asked. Print it and all fine.
        
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        June 4, 2023 3:17pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        rouppe – no, visitors are not required to wear a mask if they have an exemption, which any person can have if they choose to.
        I got an email direct from the MoH. Their email address if you want to ask them for yourself is:
        
        COVID-19response@health.govt.nz
        
        This is the relevant part from the email they sent to me in response to my request for clarification of the masking rules.
        
        As mentioned earlier, people who are supporting a patient or visiting a patient/client within a healthcare facility are required to wear a mask under the Government mask mandate, unless they have a mask exemption.
        
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        June 5, 2023 9:02am
- Xquenda Choudhury
  
  We still see a few people in the supermarket wearing a mask. I feel a bit sorry for them. So brainwashed by Jacinda and Ashley that 3 years on they still live in terror. 😕
  
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  June 4, 2023 8:58am
  - Hollyfield
    
    I reckon it’s about 10% of people in my local supermarkets, which is quite a lot. It’s their choice but I do find the contrast with Sydney interesting – I was there for a week recently and can’t recall a single mask.
    
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    June 4, 2023 9:00am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Hollyfield – that’s the point. Choice. Wear one if you want, but it isn’t a legal requirement.
      
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      June 4, 2023 9:53am
      - Martonman
        
        Recently spent three weeks in the USA. Very few masks.
        
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        June 4, 2023 10:44am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Not sure, some people definitely have health issues, they do what they think keeps them safe. My missus has a tumour, she need an operation, if she catches covid, it’s automatic 3 month stand down, she wears a mask to try and help keep covid away. I am not going to rubbish people wearing masks because there may well be reasons. The people walking the street on their own with a madk are the ones that get me
    
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    June 4, 2023 10:19am
    - Che Guava
      
      But if masks don’t stop people getting Covid (and they don’t), then why would anyone wear one? They may as well wear their lucky “anti-Covid underwear,” which would have the same effect (i.e. nil). Moreover, I assume your wife is vaccinated too – so why would she need a mask (that doesn’t work) as well? We know why, because the vaccine doesn’t prevent Covid either. So we have a situation where neither of what are purported to be preventative measures against Covid have any effect whatsoever. All we are left with is an edict or a rule, based on absolutely nothing.
      
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      June 4, 2023 11:00am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Maybe, it possibly gives them some safety who knows, but I won’t attack a person when it may well be down to their immunity
        
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        June 4, 2023 11:09am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      G – I wish you and your wife well, and wear a mask if you wish. I can understand how it can give people some comfort.
      But the scientific evidence is beyond dispute, they won’t prevent infection or transmission of any airborne virus. I always feel concern for people who wear them to places thinking they are protected.
      
      All the best.
      
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      June 4, 2023 11:16am
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    And invariably jump as far away from you as possible when they see you are unmasked-roaring idiots
    
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    June 4, 2023 11:53am
  - Nickc2
    
    People wearing masks in supermarkets, on the streets, and in cars are Labour Party sympathisers and voters. Simple people, those who can’t think for themselves, and believe everything they read and/or see in Te MSM. In short, they’re captives to the cause. They’re also evidence of Totaliteria inflicted over five and a half years of a childish Socialist/Communist Govt.
    
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    June 4, 2023 2:35pm
    - Ghost
      
      Truth is you have no idea why some are wearing a mask, some will be awaiting an operation and doing what they can to protect their health so as to not have to delay the op.
      
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      June 4, 2023 2:46pm
      - Nickc2
        
        I only ever witnessed Asian people (as is the custom in the Native Countries) wearing masks to protect against a health condition until Cindy arrived on the scene and make it compulsory for all NZ Citizens.
        
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        June 4, 2023 2:55pm
      - Ghost
        
        One of the orthopaedic surgeon here advises his patients to wear a mask when going out so as to protect themselves from catching anything that could delay their op. I know a young boy at my gp has cancer and he and his parents mask up.
        
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        June 4, 2023 2:59pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Ghost @ 2:59PM
        I too have cancer and am being treated at Akld Hosp twice monthly (Treatment) and twice monthly (Assessment) and have not been asked to wear a mask for about three months now.
        When wearing masks was compulsory at Akld Hosp, very few people were wearing them once they left the Bldg.
        
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        June 4, 2023 3:46pm
      - Ghost
        
        Doesn’t mean others don’t make that decision should be ridiculed for doing so, especially those who are doing so for their own medical reasons. Perhaps you should think about that before you judge someone and write a pathetic comment they must be a labour supporter.
        
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        June 4, 2023 3:49pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Ghost @3:49PM
        My opinions are my own, and try as you may, you won’t change them.
        
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        June 4, 2023 4:00pm
  - cjn
    
    They may be wearing a mask because they have a cold or a cough. The chemist has a notice which says if you are felling unwell wear a mask. In the olden days we still went out to shop if we were feeling seedy.
    
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    June 4, 2023 4:59pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Remember “soldier on with Codrol”?
      
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      June 5, 2023 9:12am
- Hollyfield
  
  There was a brochure in my letterbox last week from Te Whatu Ora which said wear a mask in crowded settings, get boosted and how to get free RATs. Guess they’re still trying to get rid of unused stock.
  
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  June 4, 2023 8:58am
  - sirknz
    
    Normally, anything that is unaddressed in my letterbox goes straight to the recycling, it doesn’t even make it in the house. This one went straight into the rubbish bin.
    
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    June 4, 2023 2:13pm
- Mike H S
  
  I didn’t wear a mask at my recent blood test a couple of weeks ago. No comment was made.
  
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  June 4, 2023 9:03am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Same here and the room was full of masked up people.
    
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    June 4, 2023 9:58am
    - pdm
      
      Same here. At my last blood test I was the only one of about a dozen without a mask.
      
      Nothing was said.
      
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      June 4, 2023 10:14am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Depends where you go, some places say it’s up to you, when I got my flu jab at the chemist I asked do I need a mask, they said it’s your choice
    
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    June 4, 2023 10:21am
- Opie
  
  I have been declined to be seen by a medical centre unless I wear a mask. Even with my official mask exemption. The one that’s mostly written in maori, so you know its official.
  
  It always goes like this:
  
  You need to wear a mask. No I can’t, here is my exemption. That doesn’t matter, you have to wear one here.
  
  You dont, I can’t and the exemption exempts me in any setting.
  
  No it doesnt.
  
  It does and I’m not sick anyway. Why do I need to wear it. It’s the law. So is my exemption.
  
  Standoff.
  
  OK then, if I’m forced to wear a mask, do you have an n95 I can wear as obviously that blue piece of paper with gaps all around it isn’t going to do anything. No, we only have surgical masks.
  
  The standoff continues for as long as you want it to, compared with how desperate your are to be seen.
  
  The problem is the majority keep complying because it’s easier and these tyrants keep getting away with it, drunk on the power trip. You can see in their eyes how much they enjoy telling you off.
  
  Would you like a flu shot and covid bivalent booster while you are here?
  
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  June 4, 2023 9:14am
  - MCōs
    
    On what basis are these exemptions handed out?
    
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    June 4, 2023 9:48am
    - Flossie
      
      You ask, and you will receive. No explanation required.
      
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      June 4, 2023 9:53am
      - pdm
        
        And that is why exemptions have no credibility.
        
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        June 4, 2023 10:16am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      MCōs – on the basis you decide you can’t wear a mask for physical or mental reasons.
      Here’s the government information on the process.
      
      Though Hipkins is lying when he says:
      
      “We will not be cancelling the old cards or requiring affected people to go through the process of getting a new card if they don’t want to, however the old cards will not have the legitimacy of the new cards,”
      
      The old cards are fully legal.
      
      https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-mask-exemption-card-remove-uncertainty
      
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      June 4, 2023 10:28am
      - Stellaboxer
        
        At pdm “And that is why exemptions have no credibility.” No that’s why mask mandates have no credibility. They were handed out by the ministry of health after a simple phone call no explanation required just your name and address and they arrived a few days later in the post. If masks had been believed to be so effective by said ministry than some sort of robust reasoning for exemption surely should of been required no? They were and are just part of the Covid theatre just like the ridiculous Perspex screens in supermarkets and standing a meter apart in line to be allowed in . All of a sudden along with Ardern the lunacy is all but forgotten by a Labour Party that has moved on from defeating an aerosol virus with paper and Perspex to saving the planet from a climate catastrophe. Pure comedy.
        
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        June 4, 2023 11:33am
  - Taieri
    
    I have been declined to be seen by a medical centre unless I wear a mask. Even with my official mask exemption.
    —————
    
    Went to the doctor the other day. Had my throat examined and then was instructed by the doctor to put the mask on. My official mask exemption was not recognised.
    
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    June 4, 2023 10:10am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Taieri – you need to get the information from the link above, email it to your medical centre and explain to them that if they don’t permit access even though you have a LEGAL exemption they are breaching the human rights act.
      
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      June 4, 2023 10:31am
      - Taieri
        
        Don’t go there often enough to bother. It was my first visit in 3 years and hopefully the last one for another few years. Funnily enough my dentist does not require mask. It’s still a medical practice though.
        
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        June 4, 2023 10:36am
- Ghost
  
  Masks aren’t worn at most gp’s down here now
  
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  June 4, 2023 9:59am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It’s fully legal to wear one if you want to. But you have a choice.
    
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    June 4, 2023 10:32am
cas

Apparently Tory Whanau’s diary is missing. This link is just pure gold.
https://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=152737
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June 4, 2023 8:27am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I thought Green politicians were all for transparency…
  
  Looks like Tory Whanau prefers to keep the deluded folk of Wellington in the dark about her Council activities.
  
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  June 4, 2023 9:29am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Why shouldn’t she keep them in the dark – wellingtonians adore her.
    
    (Her lipstick alone should light the path)
    
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    June 4, 2023 10:39am
- Opie
  
  She is either:
  1. So incompetent she hasn’t filled it out.
  2. So arrogant she doesn’t think it applies to her.
  3. She has filled it out but now they realise releasing it will expose that she does very little.
  
  In response to her missing meetings and lack of attendance, she said “…I’m progressive and unapologetically so.” She also pulled the race card of course.
  
  So I think she is so arrogant that she feels she doesn’t need to keep records and now they are filling it in after the fact and struggling to fill the gaps.
  
  She also claims to be 40 and single. I’m not suprised that there is no one that can put up with her, no matter how much lotto money is left.
  
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  June 4, 2023 9:52am
- Prince
  
  This is brilliant. The sort of thing Dave Armstrong would do, if the Wgton Mayor wasn’t Labour/Green/TPM.
  
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  June 4, 2023 10:19am
- RightFirstTime
  
  I’m surprised that Tory apparently does enough work to justify keeping a diary.
  
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  June 4, 2023 10:32am
tedbear

Will we see the roading signs for places like Taupo, Rotorua, Paraparaumu and Otaki altered to include the English translation?
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June 4, 2023 8:39am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I wonder what the translation of Urenui is. I know “nui” means big…
  
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  June 4, 2023 9:54am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Great courage
    
    Urenui ure: courage (a figurative expression); nui: great Great courage
    
    https://nzhistory.govt.nz/culture/maori-language-week/1000-maori-place-names
    
    Literal translation…Large Penis
    
    Etymology
    The New Zealand Ministry for Culture and Heritage gives a translation of “great courage” for Urenui, noting that courage is “a figurative expression”. A fuller explanation is that the name was given by Manaia in honour of his well-endowed son. Ure means “penis”, and nui means “large”.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urenui#cite_note-5
    
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    June 4, 2023 10:15am
    - sirknz
      
      So you’re saying that his son is known as ‘Bigus Dickus’ then…
      
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      June 4, 2023 2:18pm
  - RightFirstTime
    
    I suspect you already know the answer to that question Tony.
    
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    June 4, 2023 10:30am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Will Māori get away with their wish to add an H to Wakatipu ?
  
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  June 4, 2023 10:25am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Who the he’ll would down vote this ffs, it’s fact, Māori have started talking about the H in Wakatipu.
    
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    June 4, 2023 11:12am
- Paulus
  
  I live in Tauranga and I want it road named in English too !
  
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  June 4, 2023 10:42am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  I’ve made a start: takapuna ..nice view, remuera..maggieland (for Maggie pie) , pauanui.. gods waiting room, Hahei.. holiday rich pricks
  
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  June 4, 2023 12:05pm
  - alwyn.a
    
    Sorry but you can’t have the name “Gods waiting room” That has been used for Waikanae (the one about an hour north of Wellington) since Te Rauparaha passed through on his way to sort out Ngai Tahu about 200 years ago.
    It’s ours. Find you own name.
    
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    June 4, 2023 1:10pm
    - Opie
      
      You used to be able to get a “Waikanae drivers license” where you really shouldn’t drive any more but they let you pass and told you to stay local!
      
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      June 4, 2023 8:12pm
cas

Rowan Atkinson not so keen on EVs.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/electric-vehicles-early-adopter-petrol-car-ev-environment-rowan-atkinson
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June 4, 2023 8:40am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  What a comedian
  
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  June 5, 2023 9:38am
yossarian

“What is a Women”

110,000,000 views and counting. Well done Elon.
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June 4, 2023 8:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Elon Musk is not married now, but he has been married 3 times.
  There are nine children. I Think he has a fair idea about Women.
  Challenge him to a debate and he will turn the tables on you!
  
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  June 4, 2023 9:11am
  - Mike
    
    He’s a true champion of conservative family values.
    
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    June 4, 2023 9:28am
    - Nukuleka
      
      Snide and cynical on a Sunday morning, Mike. Yawn.
      
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      June 4, 2023 9:52am
      - Mike
        
        Like that other idol of the conservatives – Donald J Trump. Perfect examples of the need to observe what people do, rather than just nodding at what they say.
        
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        June 4, 2023 10:08am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      I don’t believe he has claimed to be that Mike and I don’t believe anyone else has claimed that. Resisting the deranged gender ideology doesn’t make you a conservative it simply means your not a gullible fool more concerned with trending virtue signalling and peer approval than you are with truth and reality.
      
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      June 4, 2023 10:33am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Email him.
      
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      June 4, 2023 10:52am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Meh Mike. Pretty sure Elon has always espoused liberal views. He is recast by Lefties as a Conservative because he has made a case for the classic liberal argument of FREE SPEECH.
      
      How do you actually keep up with the every changing bs that is left wing progressive stream of consciousness garbage?
      
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      June 4, 2023 12:12pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I wonder if anyone shred it to Hipkins
  
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  June 4, 2023 10:25am
  - Flossie
    
    G – do you mean you wonder if “anyone’s read it to Hipkins”?
    
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    June 4, 2023 12:09pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Here’s the twitter link:
  
  https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1664424891372941312
  
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  June 4, 2023 2:28pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Elon Musk. Is he a leftie? Is he a sniveling Liberal? I don’t care, but I fully support him on this, and he is just the person to do it. He has clout, I do not. The parents are sick, not the kids.

https://rantsofizzo.com/daniel/musk-celebrates-first-day-of-pride-month-by-promising-to-lobby-against-child-genital-mutilation/
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June 4, 2023 9:00am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  MASA. Make America Straight Again.
  
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  June 4, 2023 9:12am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Maybe the left think MAGA is make America gay again
    
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    June 4, 2023 10:26am
    - Paulus
      
      At least our MAGA made Ardern go away !
      
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      June 4, 2023 10:43am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Yes, and I have a make Ardern go away hats from a person who posts here, it was well and truly appreciated
        
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        June 4, 2023 11:13am
- Inandout
  
  SO, a doctor sexually mutilating a perfectly formed child is in the same league as Dr Mengels and should be treated as such.
  
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  June 4, 2023 9:15am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Here we go again. While it is not the US, the reason is the same – Mental Health.

https://rantsofizzo.com/dominick/teen-faces-charges-for-causing-death-of-19-in-a-school-dorm/
The mental health teams are not doing their jobs imo.
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June 4, 2023 9:06am
- rouppe
  
  “Mental health” is the murderers equivalent of the executive or MP “wanting to spend more time with the family”
  
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  June 4, 2023 2:29pm
Tony Stuart

A takeaway from Christopher Luxon’s public meeting in Whanganui on Thursday, where he spoke to a full house. Did you know that the fourth largest item of expenditure for the government, after welfare, health and education, is the cost of interest on our debt?

Interest is currently costing us $22 million PER DAY, which equates to $4.40 for every Kiwi man, woman, child and infant. That’s $30.80 per week, or $1601.60 per annum, per person on interest alone, without paying down a single, solitary cent of debt. With further borrowing in the Budget this year, that per capita figure is only going to go higher.

No wonder it feels like a noose around the neck. My three month old granddaughter will be saddled with this for the rest of her life, as will her future children. And that folks, will be Grant Robertson’s legacy to New Zealand. Thanks for bloody nothing Grant!
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June 4, 2023 9:11am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  I hope National carry out an in depth analysis of where the money has gone and what we got for it.
  
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  June 4, 2023 9:16am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    National MP’s are going through the Budget in their areas of spokesmanship line by line looking for wasteful expenditure.
    
    Gerry Brownlee found a beauty the other day; a budget line item in the Foreign Affairs appropriation of $26 million to refurbish the interior of an embassy. The building in question is owned by the government of the country in which it is located, and it just happens to be the Moscow embassy!
    
    Why the hell would we be spending $26 million to refurbish a building owned by the Russian government when we have imposed sanctions against Russia for the invasion of Ukraine?
    
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    June 4, 2023 10:05am
    - Jack5
      
      Perhaps, Tony, they are updating anti-bugging security in the Moscow embassy.
      
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      June 4, 2023 12:08pm
    - Hugh Jarse
      
      That’s good to hear Tony, there should be plenty of ammunition there. Re the embassy in Russia, a lot of money, but Jack5 might be onto that one !
      
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      June 4, 2023 4:08pm
  - Paulus
    
    Far too complicated to do, while I agree, but the Labour, Greens, NZF and Maori have squirreled it away so it can never be found where it went.
    Even Grant has no idea either.
    
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    June 4, 2023 10:46am
- Flossie
  
  A friend went to hear Luxon speak recently and was very impressed. But she is already a fan. The good bit was a woman whom she happened to sit beside told her that she is now a convert after previously “having doubts about him”.
  
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  June 4, 2023 9:32am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    After his meeting in Whanganui, he stayed for around 50 minutes meeting people and answering questions. He engages with people, looks them in the eye while talking with them, and gives them his full attention even if others are waiting. He’s not furtively looking for an escape route, or looking to move on to the next person. His staff say he’s hard to move on, because he dislikes terminating a conversation.
    
    At our dinner on Thursday night, he did even better. His staffer had booked a taxi for 8.30pm, but he was still meeting people at 10pm, oblivious to urgings that it was time to go.
    
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    June 4, 2023 10:01am
    - Mike
      
      Helen Clark used to pull that trick too:
      “Prime Minister, you’ll be late for the next meeting”
      “No, I need to finish talking with these good folk first”
      
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      June 4, 2023 10:11am
      - Prince
        
        As opposed to Hipkins…’Hold on, there are still a few sausage rolls left’.
        
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        June 4, 2023 10:23am
      - Mike
        
        As I said, a common political trick.
        
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        June 4, 2023 10:31am
      - graham
        
        Helen Clark used to pull that trick too:
        “Prime Minister, you’ll be late for the next meeting”
        “No, I need to finish talking with these good folk first”
        
        Are you implying that Chris Luxon had another meeting to go to? At around 9.00pm or later on a Thursday night, given the taxi was booked for 8.30pm?
        
        I’d be quite surprised about that …
        
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        June 4, 2023 10:55am
      - Mike
        
        graham
        Try not to take things so literally. Mr Luxon is probably a superlative fellow who genuinely shooed away fussy aides to spend more time with the good burghers of Whanganui.
        
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        June 4, 2023 12:12pm
    - leoj
      
      Nice try Tony.
      
      Luxon doesn’t have the guts to take on the people running the country – the maori caucus.
      
      The reason is: He is a maori sympathiser.
      
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      June 4, 2023 9:16pm
  - Paulus
    
    Am hearing that many women are coming round to the media underhyped Luxon more often now.
    
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    June 4, 2023 10:48am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What about the crowd he drew at NP ? Full house, so they had a second session, and still people turned up, all while Hipkins was being protested and booed by student union student’s in labour strong hold north Dunedin
  
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  June 4, 2023 10:31am
- Master Mariner
  
  The balance of trade deficit is the real alarm bells in my mind.
  Very litle in the media about this , especially since the world is De Globalising at a fast rate.
  
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  June 4, 2023 10:35am
  - Jack5
    
    Add to lack of media coverage, the awkwardness of accessing information at the Statistics NZ site.
    Access to Stats NZ needs to be thoroughly worked over by web designers and information engineers (if there’s such an occupation).
    
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    June 4, 2023 11:09am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Most voters won’t even understand what the BPD is, they won’t understand that the deficit is really bad, they won’t have a clue, and assholes like Robertson knows this, but is happy to hide behind their naivety.
    
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    June 4, 2023 11:19am
    - Jack5
      
      The media and the commentariat haven’t paid much attention to the balance of payments for quite a few years now.
      
      Perhaps if the exchange rate of the NZ dollar moved more in line with our balance-of-payments deficits rather than moving with the level of our interest rates, the media, and the voters, would take notice.
      
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      June 4, 2023 12:13pm
- O C Smith
  
  Well stated Tony, it’s surprising what a few simple arithmetic calculations reveal.
  
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  June 4, 2023 5:32pm
Opie

I have been declined to be seen by a medical centre unless I wear a mask. Even with my official mask exemption. The one that’s mostly written in maori, so you know its official.

It always goes like this:

You need to wear a mask. No I can’t, here is my exemption. That doesn’t matter, you have to wear one here.

You dont, I can’t and the exemption exempts me in any setting.

No it doesnt.

It does and I’m not sick anyway. Why do I need to wear it. It’s the law. So is my exemption.

Standoff.

OK then, if I’m forced to wear a mask, do you have an n95 I can wear as obviously that blue piece of paper with gaps all around it isn’t going to do anything. No, we only have surgical masks.

The standoff continues for as long as you want it to, compared with how desperate your are to be seen.

The problem is the majority keep complying because it’s easier and these tyrants keep getting away with it, drunk on the power trip. You can see in their eyes how much they enjoy telling you off.

Would you like a flu shot and covid bivalent booster while you are here?
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June 4, 2023 9:11am
Stephen

I was very surprised this morning to see two well written articles on Stuff. One from Andrea Vance and one from Vernon Small. Both articles put a very positive spin on the outcome for ACT at the election.
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June 4, 2023 9:14am
- Dougal10
  
  Given the authors I won’t be reading them to find out , so thanks for the gist of what they were about.
  
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  June 4, 2023 10:07am
  - kowtow
    
    I resist , as best I can , visiting their websites.
    
    Not perfect, but the fewer clicks the better.
    
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    June 4, 2023 10:36am
- Mike
  
  It’s quite a common phenomenon – praising writing as good just because one agrees with the opinion conveyed, or damning writing as bad because one disagrees with the opinion conveyed.
  
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  June 4, 2023 10:14am
  - AitchW
    
    [Mod – debate what a person says, don’t make it personal]
    
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    June 4, 2023 10:35am
  - Che Guava
    
    You’re writing is excellent Mike, it’s your opinions that are completely bonkers and ill-considered. How does this affect your theory?
    
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    June 4, 2023 11:21am
    - Mike
      
      I wrote that it is a common phenomenon. I didn’t claim that it was a proposition capable of empirical proof.
      
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      June 4, 2023 1:07pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They will be drawing attention so ACT is on the mind of Nat voters, always an ulterior motive by rotten media
  
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  June 4, 2023 10:33am
- Paulus
  
  What you are seeing is the anti National/ Luxon move whereby the so called left wing media have dropped anything commenting on Labour and are now concentrating on favouring, and strongly pushing Act.
  They think it is more clever as Mahuta cannot be found anymore either.
  
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  June 4, 2023 10:52am
- greybeard
  
  But Vance doesn’t waste any opportunity to deride or criticise National.
  
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  June 4, 2023 11:04am
- Andy
  
  Only because they see ACT as a slightly larger party in opposition after the election. They are no threat – yet.
  
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  June 5, 2023 3:37am
KH

Josie Pagani outlines why New Zealand is poor.

“………Now think about most of the businesses you deal with everyday: Supermarkets, banks, phones, power, even parking companies. When was the last time you can remember one of them being put out of business by an innovative upstart? They’re comfortable with barriers to new, more fleet challengers so they don’t have to innovate as much to stay in the game……..”

https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300894424/josie-pagani-dont-waste-a-good-…
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June 4, 2023 9:15am
- Jack5
  
  One reason for Pagani’s point on lack of innovation and competition may be that New Zealand capital finds safe, higher returns in property investment.
  A big contributor to that is NZ’s only nominal capital gains tax.
  
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  June 4, 2023 12:16pm
  - Mike
    
    Despite laws providing for pretty open competition, NZ’s geographic, social and economic features make it an ideal place for 2 or 3 firms to lock out serious competitors.
    
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    June 4, 2023 1:12pm
- Burtland
  
  so what happened to My Food Bag ?
  
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  June 4, 2023 7:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Poor old Joe. The Democrats are a disgusting bunch of cruel people.
Joe Biden needs help, otherwise he is going to hurt himself badly.
Is that what The Dems want? Joe to become incapacitated, and the crazy horizontal Harris as POTUS?
https://rantsofizzo.com/dominick/the-fall-heard-around-the-world-biden-trips-and-falls-again/
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June 4, 2023 9:22am
- yossarian
  
  Thought the same, then I remembered the alternative is Kamela.
  
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  June 4, 2023 9:58am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Life of Brian stage show. The woke want the Loretta scene cut.
“Are Python fans not going to come because we’re doing a scene they’ve been laughing at for 40 years ?” John Cleese – “Producers tend to be scaredy-cats”

https://thepatriotchronicles.com/news-for-you/monty-python-star-john-cleese-snaps-tells-cancel-libs-to-stuff-it-refused-edits/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chnlQQCsTVw
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June 4, 2023 9:33am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It is men having babies that has made the idiots start acting the goat.
  
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  June 4, 2023 9:35am
Hugh Jarse

I watched “Vancouver is dying on” You Tube last night, very interesting and worth watching. I had a couple of days there about five years ago and toured through the central city. The personal use and possession of cannabis had not long been legalised and use was widespread on the streets. China Town was on the edge of the tent city then and it certainly seems to have got a lot worse. Lots of parallels with NZ here around the language used by authorities, liberalising drug use, treatment of drug addiction, accelerating crime and lack of Policing. About half way through the subsequent episode “Canada is dying “ and it tells a very similar story across Canada. The random violence is scary.
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June 4, 2023 9:34am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Like Canada Hugh the NZ Labour Party seems to believe that to reduce crime and the prison population all you have to do is legalise crime.
  
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  June 4, 2023 10:44am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    That should read decriminalise crime Hugh sorry about that
    
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    June 4, 2023 11:38am
    - Hugh Jarse
      
      Sorry Stella, down ticked by accident
      
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      June 4, 2023 9:57pm
- leoj
  
  Singapore might be the next refuge.
  
  That country knows how to deal with crime.
  
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  June 4, 2023 9:20pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Not a lot of room for immigrants, though
    
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    June 5, 2023 9:41am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Maricopa cheating. More found. When are the Courts going to take notice?
Kari Lake won full stop.
https://libertyresolve.com/shocking-video-maricopa-county-officials-suspected-of-reprogramming-election-machines/
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June 4, 2023 9:56am
Ghost

The Biden administration has been accused of peddling ‘woke madness’ after a top U.S. government watchdog banned the use of gendered language in the workplace.

Leaked internal memos obtained by DailyMail.com show the Government Accountability Office forbids employees from using male and female terms.

Hmmm, so no more man made climate change?

The four-page rant, which was posted on the GAO intranet, bans staff from using words such as ‘man-made’ or ‘manpower’ in official communications.

So how about just call them criminals that should be deported?

Employees are also told to avoid ‘dehumanizing’ people by using the terms ‘alien’ or ‘illegal immigrants’ to describe foreigners who have broken into the United States.

Article
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June 4, 2023 9:57am
Stellaboxer

Hope this isn’t behind a pay wall
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/03/anglo-saxons-arent-real-cambridge-student-fight-nationalism/ Seems the only ethnicities that are real are brown ones.
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June 4, 2023 9:58am
- Taieri
  
  Hope this isn’t behind a pay wall
  ——————
  
  It is, but here is the most relevant bit:
  
  Mod : nope
  
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  December 4, 2022 10:46am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Thanks for that
    
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    June 4, 2023 11:39am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Just wow.
    
    Academia is eating itself. The seeds planted and replanted by the Soviets in the English University system have certainly gnawed away at the England and the UK’s sense of identity.
    
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    June 4, 2023 12:19pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The games continue. I think the Dems are behind this, as they have nothing to campaign on. What DeSantis will do to Trump.
https://libertyresolve.com/desantis-speaks-on-what-hell-do-to-trump-if-he-wins-presidency/
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June 4, 2023 10:03am
- Mike
  
  The democrats are responsible for your two idols squabbling, Steve?
  
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  June 4, 2023 10:18am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It’s all a show Mike. It also distracts the Dems from campaigning.
    
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    June 4, 2023 11:00am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Watch out for the sand bag
  
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  June 4, 2023 11:22am
Gravelroad

Crusaders beaten by Hurricanes last night.
In the middle of it, there was a juvenile handbags scuffle between Cody Taylor and Dane Coles.
Shortly afterwards, Taylor was sin binned for some other misdemeanour.
If I were the Crusaders coach I would be a bit miffed about two senior players letting their personal issues have an impact on the game. They looked like kids in the playground pushing and shoving each other and then laughing about it.
Seemed a bit unprofessional to me………….
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June 4, 2023 10:08am
- Mike
  
  Good clean fun. Apparently good mates who enjoy the niggle and banter that is part of the game.
  
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  June 4, 2023 10:19am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Coles and Taylor are both practitioners of the Dark Arts of forward play, and in all probability the latter was the apprentice to the former. But after the final whistle you got to see the respect they have for one another. They are both super competitive, and go to the limit of the law, and so times beyond, to get an advantage for their team.
    
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    June 4, 2023 11:20am
- kowtow
  
  Professionalised sports is just pseudo theatre for the Plebs.
  
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  June 4, 2023 12:07pm
  - Mike
    
    Presumably luvvies like kowtow prefer the ‘real’ theatre of drama, ballet and opera.
    
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    June 4, 2023 12:25pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  Coles action turned the game. The niggle lead to Taylor getting a yellow as he lost focus. And then the Canes produced some consistent footie for the first time in the match to win.
  
  Watching in the cold of the stadium I would have to say Dane getting in Taylors face fired up the crowd and the team…
  
  Every Rugby player and past Rugby player loves a niggle merchant in their team to unsettle the opposition….
  
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  June 4, 2023 12:22pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Dane Coles!
    
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    June 5, 2023 9:42am
slightlyrighty

I see on CNN that many groups companies are now distancing themselves from Pride Month related events.

LBG was always about who you love. Any other letter or symbol added then is about what you identify as. The lack of logic associated with the TQI(and now the 2S and the + that seem to have emerged of late), and the mental gymnastics required of society to appease them have created and sustained a backlash that now has members of the LBG community actively distancing themselves from a community that, until recently, was classified with the mentally ill.

There is a point where society will push back, and if the backlash against Bud Light, Target and Nike is anything to go by, I think we may be there.
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June 4, 2023 10:09am
- Che Guava
  
  You cannot argue that “LBG” is somehow fine, and that “TQI etc.” is not. Either you believe that what is sexually permissible is determined by the obvious teleology of our sexual organs (i.e. a penis is used to inseminate a vagina), and that anything else is just a pseudo-sexual simulation of the real thing (e.g. a penis in another mans orifice(s)), or you don’t. On what basis is “LBG” more acceptable than the others? Unless you use the criteria I have given, it’s all just arbitrary opinion. We shouldn’t “celebrate” any of it.
  
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  June 4, 2023 11:16am
  - Taieri
    
    Unless you use the criteria I have given, it’s all just arbitrary opinion.
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    LGB is based on a physical attraction. The remainder is based on a mental illness.
    
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    June 4, 2023 11:57am
    - Jack5
      
      Target Corporation, America’s seventh biggest retailer, caught in crossfire between LGBT community and its opposition.
      
      https://www.foxnews.com/media/satanist-designer-says-target-set-dangerous-precedent-by-pulling-products
      
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      June 4, 2023 12:22pm
    - Mike
      
      LG and B were all once defined as mental illnesses. You are not on very strong conceptual ground here but, then again, neither is Che Guava.
      
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      June 4, 2023 12:27pm
      - Taieri
        
        LGB are not pretending to be what they are not.
        
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        June 4, 2023 12:43pm
      - Mike
        
        I’m only examining your odd concept of what might or might not be a mental illness. Mental illnesses have always been defined socially and mostly defy the typology applied to medical diseases.
        
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        June 4, 2023 3:07pm
- Rich Prick
  
  The whole thing is looking like a Wi-Fi password.
  
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  June 4, 2023 2:26pm
Littletramp

If I have a grandmother, who’s father had a maori father and English mother, (1 of 16 ancestors) why should I have to declare myself of maori descent?
This is where the problems with this ridiculous identity politics stems from.
Stats NZ lists “estimated” maori descent and “estimated” maori ethnicity categories (?) and from there determines how many maori have not filled census forms. A system fraught with flaws you can drive a truck through if you ask me.
This whole premise being foisted on us by this govt of maori vs the rest needs to stop if we want to progress as a nation.
It is a fraud being perpetrated by activists imho.
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June 4, 2023 10:15am
- Mike
  
  You don’t ‘have’ to declare yourself of Māori descent, any more than you ‘have’ to identify yourself with any ethnic identity. Identity is not really dependent upon specific quotients of racial categories which are themselves of dubious validity.
  
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  June 4, 2023 10:24am
  - Taieri
    
    Identity is not really dependent upon specific quotients of racial categories which are themselves of dubious validity
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    Substitute “ethnic” for “racial” and it most certainly is.
    
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    June 4, 2023 10:50am
    - Mike
      
      I disagree.
      
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      June 4, 2023 12:20pm
      - Taieri
        
        Care to elaborate?
        
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        June 4, 2023 12:44pm
      - Mike
        
        Yes. People tend to identify with the social and cultural traits within which they have been raised. There doesn’t appear to be much, if any, scientific basis, for the heritability of cultural traits. Race and ethnicity are not distinct, scientifically measurable distinctions between groups of people. For most people, ethnic or racial identity will be a natural expression for them of their social background.
        
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        June 4, 2023 3:16pm
      - Taieri
        
        Race and ethnicity are not distinct, scientifically measurable distinctions between groups of people.
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        Wrong on both counts.
        The problem with the concept of the “race” is an outdated perception of “superiority” or “inferiority” of particular races, which is still being promulgated by certain people, but this time as never ending victimization of allegedly oppressed. But races in physical sense, very much exist and are evidenced not only in different physical appearance of their representatives but also in susceptibility to a number of medical ailments and so on, which are present in some races and absent in others. Inheritability, as you noted does not generally exist in this case, although it is possible to determine where a particular human originates from by DNA testing. Not much point in developing this argument at length as I’m sure, you’re getting my drift.
        As to the “ethnic” part…”ethnicity” means belonging to a certain distinctive culture and manifests itself in the language, sense of shared history, shared cultural traits and similar general mentality of its members. Again, I think I’ve made my point here, so will stop at that.
        
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        June 4, 2023 5:23pm
    - Swifty
      
      Many Native American tribes have a ‘blood quantum’ criteria for acceptance as a tribal member.
      
      It’s usually around 25%.
      
      Seems to work for them. I’ve seen some tribal elders saying they greatly value and appreciate the criteria as it allows them to reject wannabes and grifters.
      
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      June 4, 2023 1:04pm
      - rouppe
        
        Just wait until a parent that does qualify, has a child that doesn’t…
        
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        June 4, 2023 2:55pm
      - Mike
        
        I think that rule was imposed upon some tribes by government policy (it weakens tribal membership) rather than by choice.
        
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        June 4, 2023 3:18pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Wouldn’t keep out the Stetson-wearing grifter though.
        
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        June 5, 2023 9:45am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “Identity is not really dependent upon specific quotients of racial categories which are themselves of dubious validity.”
    
    It’s about how you feel at any given moment? Is that what you’re trying to tell us?
    
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    June 4, 2023 2:34pm
    - Mike
      
      No.
      
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      June 4, 2023 3:18pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Mike of Strawmanland:
        “Identity is not really dependent upon specific quotients of racial categories which are themselves of dubious validity.”
        
        So what is identity dependent on in your view?
        
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        June 4, 2023 4:00pm
  - Nickc2
    
    IMO, people who haven’t completed their Census Forms should be denied the vote.
    
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    June 4, 2023 3:01pm
- Inandout
  
  Little, a DNA test is pretty reliable and leaves aside the recorded ‘parents’ and concentrates on what genes lay within.
  
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  June 4, 2023 10:48am
- Paulus
  
  We still do not know how many part Maori there are, as no thoroughbreds are left from the 30,000 estimated when the Treaty was signed 1840.
  We are told by the Statistics Department that there are 16% of the population but where do they get that figure from – the 2018 census was a farce as we know, as is the current one when many so called Maori have not voted, even worse estimated numerically than previously.
  So who will make up these figures, like NCEA perhaps, moderated by ? to give a political result which suits Maori representation.
  
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  June 4, 2023 11:01am
  - Littletramp
    
    My original point is this – Maybe the %age of maori who have not completed the census, simply do not exist.
    They (govt stats) are estimating the numerator, just as they did throughout the covid scare, which delivers totally unreliable results to suit their political propaganda.
    
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    June 4, 2023 4:19pm
- WaynelSexton
  
  You don’t choose your tribe, your tribe chooses you. Just ask anyone from a war zone.
  The descendant thing is ridiculous and so is the “their are no real Maori” argument that kiwibloggers like to do.
  
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  June 4, 2023 3:51pm
Maggie Pie

Dawned yet another beautiful God-given day here 😎

Chatting with a bestie after Mass earlier and thort she raised a very good question…..”If we need to have Pride month, what about one for sloth, lust, greed, envy, wrath and lust”?

Not silly.
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June 4, 2023 10:20am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’m not keen on only one month for sloth.
  
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  June 4, 2023 10:27am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Bet milkeys not keen on only having one for pride 😀
    
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    June 4, 2023 10:33am
  - greybeard
    
    Well I am really angry we don’t already have one for Wrath.
    
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    June 4, 2023 11:07am
    - Mike
      
      Isn’t having a whole month already named for the god of war enough for you?
      
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      June 4, 2023 12:19pm
- Mike
  
  I trust you had more interesting sins to confess that the usual sloth, greed and wrath.
  
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  June 4, 2023 10:30am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Greed is permanent. I won’t mention who.
  
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  June 4, 2023 11:04am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/busy-week-ahead-for-julian-back-to-back-meetings-in-and-around-blenheim/

Registration is not now required. Looks like the woke Police have woken up.
These are private meetings, so anybody can be denied entry. The protestors will not get in.
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June 4, 2023 10:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Looks like one whole month in the South Island.
  
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  June 4, 2023 10:23am
- Inandout
  
  SO, wasn’t the Levin private hall invaded by a Maori lady?
  
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  June 4, 2023 10:50am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes, and the Police would not remove her and 3 others I think. They were trespassing.
    Dad’s Army senior and 3 teen cops chickened out. The meeting was cancelled, but the pink rhino did not win.
    
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    June 4, 2023 11:07am
Xquenda Choudhury

Just had a look at the vaccine data.

Since it became available on 1 April, 329,000 people have had the ‘3rd booster’ (the 5th shot of the vaccine). Those over 50 years old are eligible.

https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data

That is a take up rate of 18 percent. The numbers getting vaccinated each day are now dwindling. By the end of winter, take up might reach 20 percent, maybe a little more.

You would think that after spending millions promoting and buying this vaccine, Government Ministers would be asking why 80 percent of the population are saying ‘no thanks’. Of course they will remain silent.

The other thing is that with such a low take up rate, there will likely be many doses binned at the end of winter as they reach their expiry date. The waste is mind boggling.
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June 4, 2023 10:32am
- Dougal10
  
  The latest run of it through daughters school the unvaxed kids havent been catching it. Seems natural immunity may be better that ashley and cindys hybrid one.
  
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  June 4, 2023 11:24am
  - kowtow
    
    Yep that’s what the experts said at the outset.
    
    The ones deliberately ignored by the lockdown fanatics , the regime ‘approved’ “experts’ and the msm who seemed very happy to smear , ignore and gatekeep any opinions contrary to the authoritarian approach.
    
    Never forget , never forgive.
    
    “Jessica , then Tova.”
    
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    June 4, 2023 1:14pm
- rouppe
  
  I got booster 1 (3rd shot) way back when but no more…
  
  Never caught it as far as I know, friend has just told me she has tested positive for the 2nd or 3rd time…
  
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  June 4, 2023 2:58pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Stuart Smith writes on the Law Society and the “Principles” of the TofW.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/stuart-smith-mp-has-the-law-society-lost-the-room
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June 4, 2023 10:32am
- Taieri
  
  If any treaty or convention (or virtually any regulation or law at all) was as open to interpretation as the Treaty of Waitangi is, the society would have to cease to function.
  
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  June 4, 2023 10:53am
  - Paulus
    
    Please may I know –
    what are the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi ?
    Can Geoffrey Palmer please tell us.
    
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    June 4, 2023 11:04am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Keep that idiot away from it. He already messed it up in 1989 I think.
      
      The real Treaty is the Maori version and the English translation done by Littlewood, now known as The Littlewood Treaty Document. Found in 1989 at Pukekohe.
      It has no mention of “Forestry and Fisheries” The Waitangi Tribunal added this and other things in.
      
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      June 4, 2023 11:17am
      - Mike
        
        You really should widen your reading, Steve. The ‘Littlewood treaty’ is not the magically simplistic answer some people pretend it to be,
        
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        June 4, 2023 12:16pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “You really should widen your reading, Steve. The ‘Littlewood treaty’ is not the magically simplistic answer some people pretend it to be,”
        
        Mike instead of vague and pointless utterances like “do more reading” how about you share your alleged incredible wisdom and succinctly tell us why the treaty as it was written shouldn’t be taken at face value. Apparently you know better than people like Sir Aparana Ngata? Do expand. Or are you just full of it?
        
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        June 4, 2023 2:40pm
  - Che Guava
    
    That’s right. If a document doesn’t say the things you’d prefer that it said, you cannot just argue that it does regardless. The ToW says what it says, and it doesn’t say anything that it doesn’t. That’s that.
    
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    June 4, 2023 11:09am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Depends on the version. The original or the Waitangi Tribunal one. They are different. See above.
      
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      June 4, 2023 11:18am
      - Che Guava
        
        If there is a conflict, then subsequent behaviour can be used to construct the meaning of an agreement. Maori have acted as if they gave up sovereignty for the first 150 years or so, so that is the likely meaning of the ToW. They can’t claim another contradictory meaning if it suits them after a century and a half plus.
        
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        June 4, 2023 11:26am
      - Taieri
        
        If there is a conflict, then subsequent behaviour can be used to construct the meaning of an agreement.
        ————-
        
        Not really. Every law is open to interpretation that’s why we have lawyers. However, no law can be entirely open ended in such a way that it can be moulded and twisted at will because it will no longer mean anything.
        
        Imagine for example that you could apply your own interpretation to the Road Code, a set of regulations considerably more complex than the Treaty of Waitangi. How would that end?
        
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        June 4, 2023 12:51pm
- nathie
  
  Jack5 posted a “must watch” link the other day (but it was at the end of the day so wasn’t really commented on).
  
  Sean Plunket interviews Chris Finlayson who states the ToW/Treaty Principals only apply to the Crown.
  
  Not lawyers/Law Society, not Companies, not Universities, not individuals …. NO-ONE .. just the Crown!
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BjUE5JJ8Gk
  
  Is there a more formal push-back starting … when even the likes of Chris Finlayson is saying this (radical) agenda is wrong?
  
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  June 4, 2023 12:33pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    It would be nice if Chris Finlayson stepped out into the public and started an activist group setting out that very point. In small recompense for his landforms-have-legal-personhood-status nonsense.
    
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    June 4, 2023 1:00pm
  - kowtow
    
    Finlayson ?
    
    Cry me a river ( embodied)
    That fella also had his “deplorables” moment criticising folk he didn’t happen to agree with.
    Anyway he too has his turn rubbing the Magic Lantern and helping to release the race genie .His problem now is he doesn’t like that particular version of the genie …..
    
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    June 4, 2023 1:08pm
Maggie Pie

JUSTICE FOR POSIE!

Just a reminder that ‘Tomato-Boy’ Eli Rubashkyn’s court date is set down for July 4th. Also worth remembering it has friends in…. ‘high places’

https://spidercat.co.nz/tomato-boy-eli-rubashkyn-update-court-date-for-assault-charge/
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June 4, 2023 10:46am
- Xquenda Choudhury
  
  BTW Kellie Jay Keen was recently suspended from Youtube for the second time for ‘hate speech’. A third strike seems inevitable which will mean she is cancelled. Her channel is her main means of communication with hundreds of videos.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/@KellieJayKeen
  
  According to KJK there are a few activists who are bombarding Youtube with complaints every time she posts a video.
  
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  June 4, 2023 11:08am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    As she says…they celebrate diversity by silencing woman.
    
    At least Posie has hundreds-of-thosands of twitter followers worldwide to get her message out there….even if Elon has imposed a shadow ban 🙁
    
    https://twitter.com/ThePosieParker/status/1664655826194251776
    
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    June 4, 2023 11:50am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, how on earth did it get immigration status?
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/transgender-refugee-set-to-wed/ERPGXIPS7DGKIKIP37KEAQQAMA/
  
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  June 4, 2023 11:50am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    O.M.G. how did I miss that!?
    I see the Horrid has captioned the pic of her hubby… as being at the rear.
    Wonder if that was on purpose 😀
    
    For anyone interested as to whats behind the sinister transgender agenda and what it’s REAL aims are….this vid goes a long way to explaining it.
    
    https://youtu.be/tLXdoqXbC6k
    
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    June 4, 2023 12:20pm
    - nathie
      
      Does “rap music” get played in the “Maggie Pie household” by chance? 😉
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUyV7MPAphI
      
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      June 4, 2023 12:36pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        LOL!!
        
        At least Rod Duke knows which way’s up 😀
        
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        June 4, 2023 1:08pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    This is not an ideal outcome of NZ’s immigration policy.
    
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    June 4, 2023 1:03pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    NZ seems a soft touch for the dross of the world. Consider Golly G, the Lal creature & now this.
    
    Has anyone heard of any indigenous person of this type abandoning NZ for a cushier billet overseas?
    
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    June 4, 2023 1:26pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    I have been to Colombia, it is a seriously under-rated travel destination. Unless you are part of the drug scene, I struggle to see what anyone would want to refugee from.
    
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    June 4, 2023 2:39pm
oldfella

What’s the smart money say about the King’s Birthday honours tomorrow?
Sir Trevor. Sir Phil? … Dame Jacinda?
Roll up, roll up, and lay your money down! //
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June 4, 2023 12:25pm
- Ghost
  
  Dame Trevor, sir jacinda. Nothing for Goff
  
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  June 4, 2023 12:33pm
- Mike
  
  All three are due honours. Ex-PMs now get the choice of the ONZ or the lesser dame/knighthood.
  But don’t be surprised if some of these are delayed to the new year honours. As there is a good chance of a change in government, the politicians like to appear bipartisan about this by honouring their opponents.
  
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  June 4, 2023 12:56pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    “Lesser” – chortle.
    
    Tell that to Privy Councillor Helen Clark.
    
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    June 4, 2023 1:04pm
    - Mike
      
      She went for the ONZ. It’s a curious misconception by many that the title ‘sir’ or ‘dame’ (that comes with the second and third tier awards) carries more cachet than our highest honour.
      
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      June 4, 2023 5:13pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Most people see through the bullshit, Mikey
        
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        June 5, 2023 9:49am
  - Taieri
    
    All three are due honours.
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    One for services to democracy.
    Another one for services to freedom.
    And the third one for services to resilience.
    
    Sir Trevor
    Dame Jacinda
    Sir Philip
    
    But one honour is missing.
    
    Sir Grant. For services to the economy.
    
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    June 4, 2023 1:21pm
    - Mike
      
      Unlikely that Grant Robertson would be getting an honour while still an active politician – that’s quite rare.
      
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      June 4, 2023 5:15pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        No ‘Sir Mike’ then?
        Sorry Mike, could not resist. Keep trying sonny 🙂
        
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        June 4, 2023 5:30pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner has a cleint who was the recipiant of an ”ONZ”.
    
    Absolutrly useless he reckoned….especialy when trying to get an upgade to fist….partcularly overseas.
    
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    June 4, 2023 7:02pm
    - Mike
      
      I have a friend who wishes to enquire of your partner where to get an “upgade to fist”
      
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      June 4, 2023 7:28pm
Mike

Fundie nutcases in Utah didn’t mean to ban their own books:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/us-canada/300896754/protester-opposed-to-book-bans-gets-bible-pulled-from-some-utah-schools
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June 4, 2023 12:59pm
- Inandout
  
  Mike, when you travel to the Middle East ask for a copy of the Bible from a bookstore.
  
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  June 4, 2023 1:15pm
  - Mike
    
    I’m not planning on traveling to the middle east or buying a bible thanks.
    It’s long been noted that the US evangelical right suffer from fatwa envy. But more to the point, how do your think book bans should operate in Utah schools, or any schools for that matter?
    
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    June 4, 2023 5:07pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Yet if you’re seeking vulgarity & violence…. every child still has access to the Torah, The Book of Mormon and the Holy Qur’an.
  
  Go figure 🙁
  
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  June 4, 2023 1:22pm
  - Mike
    
    Your comment reads as if you think the request to ban the bible was meant as something other than a pisstake designed to show the stupidity of the law in question.
    
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    June 4, 2023 5:09pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I once dated a girl with a twin and people always asked me how I could tell them apart.
Simple, Alison painted her nails red, and Bob had a beard.
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June 4, 2023 3:54pm
- leoj
  
  …or the trans version:
  
  Bob painted her nails red and Alison kept his beard trimmed.
  
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  June 4, 2023 9:30pm
Maggie Pie

My partner just shared this somewhat heart-rending story from $tuff.

As he said…. no doubt the poor woman deserves some sympathy, but thank goodness she’s not moored at Westhaven 🙁

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1665183100316565505
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June 4, 2023 4:34pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Berthed at Westhaven, not “moored”. 🙂
  
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  June 4, 2023 6:16pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    No silly…..MOORED there!
    
    Where would she find nearly 3k a month for a Berth?
    
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    June 4, 2023 6:54pm
Scooter

These people walk amongst us, how dumb can you be? Probably votes Labour too.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/crime/bank-scam-spanish-man-feels-he-s-failed-his-children-and-wife-after-losing-330k/
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June 4, 2023 4:59pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sadly, he/they did not even know about the warning signs.
  Why do they not ask for second advice?????
  
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  June 4, 2023 5:37pm
  - Ghost
    
    It happens. Even banks ignore the warning signs and do transfers that should be sending out warning signs to them
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/police-suspect-mule-after-auckland-real-estate-agent-loses-100k-in-elaborate-investment-scam/XG76MEU26BFBHFC2GVGRMQW3MM/
    
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    June 4, 2023 5:43pm
  - kowtow
    
    He just saw the very high interest rate , a very definite warning sign .
    
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    June 4, 2023 5:45pm
  - Scooter
    
    Maybe he thought if Grant can magic money out of thin air, all is well, what could possibly go wrong?
    
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    June 4, 2023 9:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump’s fault
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RGwdaAJ06s
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June 4, 2023 5:51pm
Maggie Pie

Northland police described the offender as being Pacific Islander or Maori, of fat build, aged between 40 & 60…. and are seeking help from the public in identifying him .

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Would you like to phone-a-friend, or take 50/50?
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June 4, 2023 6:13pm
kevn

@Maggie… One of the house occupants took a vid of the perp at the time, surely a massive help to police.
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June 4, 2023 6:25pm
- Ghost
  
  The video is very short and only captures the offender from behind, however from the still image you can get a good impression of the offender’s age, build and the style of his upper clothing,
  
  Police
  
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  June 4, 2023 6:31pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Bet everybody up there already knows exactly who this panty-sniffing scum is.
  
  Just saying.
  
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  June 4, 2023 6:45pm
  - Ghost
    
    Best option for him is to hand himself into the police while he still can
    
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    June 4, 2023 6:56pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      YIP! by the time he receves all the discouonts he’s due…. the dudge will be the one serving time on his behalf..
      
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      June 4, 2023 7:07pm
      - Scooter
        
        Had a ruff upbringing, but by 40-60yrs old you would have thought he get his shit together and not beat up women.
        
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