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Mike

Happy World Bicycle Day!
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June 3, 2023 8:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  On your bike, Mike.
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:42am
  - Mike
    
    I wondered if anyone might peddle that line.
    
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    June 3, 2023 9:46am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Fat bottom girls !
  
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  June 3, 2023 12:12pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  You’re trapped in a cycle Mike…. Endless day of xyz….
  
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  June 3, 2023 12:50pm
- RightNow
  
  I’ve heard of the village bicycle but this is a whole new level
  
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  June 3, 2023 1:32pm
artemisia

Media and some councillors having a very public go at Mayor Brown over sale of airport shares and mean emails. Do the councillors, and the media, realise they are playing right into Mayor Brown’s hands?

Auckland voters will know exactly which councillors are responsible for their rates shooting up, and why. And also that some councillors are, shall we say, not very robust. And not worried about ratepayers who pay their wages. And that some petals in the media are making sure voters know they are easily offended and plan to keep saying so at every opportunity.
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June 3, 2023 8:04am
- thirteenstars
  
  Here’s Brown interviewed yesterday by Sean Plunket on exactly that topic:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyL84I_kF2o
  
  Brown is really the perfect case in point regards the pernicious effect of government-funded media. Their chosen candidate didn’t win the mayoralty and they’ve had it in for him ever since, creating a narrative that has all the luvvies nodding their heads when they hear the garbage spewed out every night on the news.
  
  I asked one such luvvie, after she opined, isn’t that Wayne Brown a prick, what she thought of his budget proposals.
  
  Blank stare. Didn’t have a clue, because the emotionally-charged portrayal of Brown is not about facts but gotcha reporting that focuses on superficialities and personalities.
  
  Did she want a double digit rates increase? Did she think the council should own an asset that offered no good return? No, no, to both.
  
  But oh, that Brown is still a prick.
  
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  June 3, 2023 10:41am
  - backster
    
    Most voters aren’t ratepayers!
    
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    June 3, 2023 12:03pm
    - artemisia
      
      Well most voters do pay rates, even if at one remove via rent. Only most though. For example, social / emergency housing tenants pay rent based on income and any shortfall is paid by taxpayers. Very few of those tenants pay market rent or even close.
      
      As an aside, National had an initiative to require social housing tenants paying market rent to move on, with support if needed. Several hundred did. Cancelled after the 2017 election.
      
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      June 3, 2023 12:18pm
      - Don Beckett
        
        Plunket continues with his ill-mannered interuption of his guest while he is still speaking, and renders his point mute. I don’t listen to Plunket, except on this type of link – but then I’m compelled to cut it short.
        
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        June 3, 2023 2:23pm
    - thirteenstars
      
      Not directly but most landlords simply pass rates increases on so tenants do have a real interest in keeping rates down.
      
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      June 3, 2023 3:13pm
  - Ra Henare
    
    I wish Sean Plunket could learn to keep his gob shut and Let the Mayor speak.
    
    After shouting at my screen to Sean to Fking shut up a dozen times. I gave up and switched off.
    
    Sean, YOUR opinion is not important!!!!
    YOU are not important.
    
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    June 3, 2023 2:24pm
    - KiwiSapper
      
      I wonder if there is some “time delay” on the Platform’s system which portrays Plunket to “apparently” doing this?
      If not, then I totally agree, it is unacceptable, very rude and he needs to be reminded that the sole purpose of an interviewer is to ask open questions which will obtain the opinions of the interviewee . An interviewer continually giving an opinion has no right to be regarded as an interviewer.
      
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      June 3, 2023 6:21pm
    - Scooter
      
      Completely agree, he has some very interesting and knowledgeable guests and should let them speak. It’s embarrassing and frustrating when he jumps in, cuts the guest off mid sentence so we don’t get to hear the point the person is making. Besides that The Platform is very good and a much needed foil against MSM.
      
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      June 3, 2023 7:59pm
    - thirteenstars
      
      I believe it is two things.
      
      Plunket is doing what any good interviewing journalist should do: when needed he’s keeping the interviewee on track, and most interviewees do at some point wander aimlessly.
      
      Plunket is exercising editorial control in real time, which is never good. Interjection is painful for the audience when not exercising my previous point.
      
      The Platform is operating in rarified territory: truly independent media. No government funding. For that reason alone we should support it.
      
      Hopefully we will see more. For now, Plunket is talking the talk and walking the walk. And for that we should all be grateful
      
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      June 3, 2023 8:22pm
mister nui

Of course this new censorship regime has Cindy’s fingerprints all over it.

But, the question must be asked, during the formation of the “consultation” document, how many of the little woketards at the DIA got up from the meeting table, and announced in total disgust that they could not be part of this disgusting encroach on the freedoms of their fellow citizens?

My bet is precisely none.
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June 3, 2023 8:05am
- JimBobJoe
  
  This is plant in DIA… it has a heritage back to 2019 and the Mosque attack. Bright young things from a few ministries were talking about it in light of their secondments to the DPMC.
  
  the whole thought control, oooh sorry hate speech thing was given a real turbobooster in April 2023
  
  Or so the rumour goes….
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:44am
- Che Guava
  
  The so-called “reality” we are presented with in the various media is so highly regulated and curated that it wouldn’t survive completely free and open expression for a second. That’s why they need all of the various concepts beginning with “anti-” and to impute “hateful” motives to control narratives in favour of the status quo.
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:49am
- krazykiwi
  
  From Thorsteinn Siglausson’s substack today: –
  
  Freeing ourselves from the chains of immaturity is the essence of the Enlightenment, German philosopher Immanuel Kant said in 1784, in his famous essay “An Answer to the Question: What is Enlightenment?”
  
  According to Kant, freedom of speech is a prerequisite for the Enlightenment, but still far from enough; it is also necessary to overcome people’s inherent fear of using their own reason. Kant attributes this condition to laziness and cowardice, which have driven the public to rely on others to think for them. It is their “guardians” who frighten people away from attempting to think independently. He continues: “Thus, it is difficult for any individual man to work himself out of the immaturity that has all but become his nature. He has even become fond of this state and for the time being is actually incapable of using his own understanding, for no one has ever allowed him to attempt it.”
  
  The guardians Kant speaks of are not so much politicians, kings or queens, but officials and experts; lieutenants, tax collectors, priests, and doctors. According to Kant, the experts maintain the immaturity of the public by instilling in them the fear of independent thinking.
  
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  June 3, 2023 1:09pm
  - cjn
    
    And Kant had never heard of vaccines!
    
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    June 3, 2023 7:51pm
rouppe

Story on Stuff bringing up the Budweiser situation among others, breathlessly declaring “They are engineered to punish companies that support the rainbow community and are meant to intimidate other companies from doing the same.”

Well… You reap what you sow. The BDS movement did exactly that to companies that they deemed not “inclusive” enough.
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June 3, 2023 8:08am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  In the immortal words of Corporal Jones –
  
  ‘They don’t like it up ‘em!’
  
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  June 3, 2023 10:14am
- RightNow
  
  MSM are NZ’s Bud light
  
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  June 3, 2023 1:37pm
Chuck Bird

Anyone here going to Act’s AGM in Auckland tomorrow?
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June 3, 2023 8:14am
- mandk
  
  What?
  You mean to hear get vaxxed Seymour encouraging his followers to drink the cool aid?
  
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  June 3, 2023 8:18am
  - Che Guava
    
    Seymour’s so-called libertarian principles quickly crawled back up inside himself when they had their moment to shine. Does he think we have forgotten this?
    
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    June 3, 2023 9:44am
  - leoj
    
    Seymour had everything to gain by commandeering six of the hundreds of police at the protest and go into the crowd and talk to them.
    
    He blew it then hid behind Jacinda’s skirt.
    
    He was not alone. All 121 MPs are a total disgrace.
    
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    June 3, 2023 12:01pm
- snowy
  
  I can’t make the AGM but going to the Rally after it
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:05am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Look me up then. I should be easy to find.
    
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    June 3, 2023 11:34am
- thirteenstars
  
  ACT’s AGM.
  
  ;-/
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:12am
- Che Guava
  
  I’ll be washing my hair instead.
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:29am
Scooter

What hope for NZ?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/491252/australia-sends-nz-born-grandma-back-after-she-stabbed-man-in-anus
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June 3, 2023 8:16am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Another burden on society.
  
  In this case, she was 24 when she left NZ, so we made her. Not as egregious as those who left as toddlers.
  
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  June 3, 2023 10:19am
- Ghost
  
  Hopefully she will get back on and stay on her meds
  
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  June 3, 2023 10:24am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Once upon a time, we didn’t used to have to just hope. We had special places to look after such people. It stopped people like this getting stabby on those around them.
    
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    June 3, 2023 3:46pm
- Matt Long
  
  She was psychotic, in her case I don’t think prison is the right course.
  
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  June 3, 2023 10:25am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    What do you think the right course would be?
    
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    June 3, 2023 3:48pm
- softail 1450
  
  Scooter, “stabs man in anus” hell I thought that stuff was legalised decades ago .
  
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  June 3, 2023 12:11pm
Xquenda Choudhury

So Stuff is wailing about the boycott of Bud Light Beer because they contracted a ‘trans woman’ to promote their beer.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300894604/budlighting-the-cancellation-campaign-coming-for-a-company-near-you

The article also mentions the backlash against Target stores in the USA. They decided it was a good idea to promote specially designed swim suits for ‘girls with a penis’. 😳

Stuff is wailing about how this ‘cancel culture’ is so unfair. 😂 This is the same media organisation that hounded Kellie Jay Keen when she visited New Zealand and provoked a riot that came close to killing her.
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June 3, 2023 8:25am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Annehauser Busch is now buying back unsold stock from distributors. Between them and Target they have lost US$ 30 BILLION in value on the stock exchange!!!!
  
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  June 3, 2023 8:27am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I imagine the NZ govt is thinking hard about of what laws it can create to force people to buy Bud Light.
    
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    June 3, 2023 3:50pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Yes, Stuff is site for woke lefties. So WHY are you clicking on their site and providing links for them?
  
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  June 3, 2023 8:31am
- mandk
  
  Yes, woke people can dish it out, but they don’t like it when others stand up to their bullying.
  
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  June 3, 2023 8:35am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    mandk – isn’t it bizarre? people are responding to their bullying simply by exercising their right to support them or not. No bullying back in response. Making a rational choice.
    
    The hypocrisy is next level. The more they are exposed, the greater the hysteria. Let’s keep turning up the volume.
    
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    June 3, 2023 10:44am
    - mawm
      
      We don’t seem to have Bud Light in NZ so it doesn’t affect us. I don’t drink any of the other A-B brands. However the attack on masculinity by a woke senior Gillette executive (female) in their advertising made me look at other brands which has resulted in discovering products far superior to theirs. I’ll never go back and I suspect there are many others.
      
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      June 3, 2023 1:20pm
      - Ghost
        
        A quick Google shows you can get bud light in nz
        
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        June 3, 2023 1:26pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  and of course, this is one of those topics where commenting is not allowed.
  
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  June 3, 2023 8:55am
- sirknz
  
  If that is considered ‘Analysis’, then we are in a bad place. As usual, the writer of the piece has missed a lot of context and background to many of the points raised. The writer misses a lot of the context and background to what happened with Bud Lite, that being the VP of Marketing being caught calling their biggest consumer group a bunch of out of touch, fratty people who are not very tolerant and the company then not apologising thinking it would blow over in a couple of weeks. $16 Billion of market cap lost later, they now can’t give their beer away.
  
  A lot of the ‘Pride’ (isn’t that a deadly sin?) stuff aimed at kids seems to be covertly sexualised. Can someone tell me how pride paraphernalia doesn’t allude to gender or sexual identity?
  
  Regarding the paedophilia and hyper sexualisation of kids, Disney has many employees caught up in child sex stings every month, the last one I heard of netted ~10. There is actual recordings of the team that guides the films that are made talking about ‘their not so secret gay agenda’ and the recent movies that have unnecessary gender, race, and orientation swaps of characters that force in ‘The Message’™.
  
  My family tree may have been planted in an orchard as there has been a bit of fruit in it, I still don’t get why there is a need to target ‘pride’ products at kids unless it is for indoctrination purposes and virtue signalling points for the parents.
  
  To any rainbow alphabet mafia members out there, nobody cares what you get up to in the privacy of your home, as long as it doesn’t involve kids or animals, and everyone involved consents, do whatever you want. Just don’t aim your stuff at the kids.
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:02am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    On reflection, why wouldn’t Disney & other theme parks attract pedophiles? They go where the kids are. No scouts or boarding schools any more.
    
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    June 3, 2023 10:21am
  - Ghost
    
    How about those pedophiles not hiding in the rainbow community? Pedophiles aren’t gay or straight, people that fuck animals aren’t part of the gay community. And more chances are the person sexually abuse a child right now is either related to that child or a friend of the family, not a stranger danger.
    
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    June 3, 2023 10:38am
    - NothingLeft
      
      Interesting thing: gay vs straight pedophiles are about 1:2, vs about 1:20 gay vs straight general population. So proportionally About 10x as many homosexual pedophiles as straight, and similarly gay men are 10x as likely to be pedophiles as straight men.
      
      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1556756/
      
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      June 3, 2023 11:29am
      - Ghost
        
        Another problem related to terminology arises because sexual abuse of male children by adult men2 is often referred to as “homosexual molestation.” The adjective “homosexual” (or “heterosexual” when a man abuses a female child) refers to the victim’s gender in relation to that of the perpetrator. Unfortunately, people sometimes mistakenly interpret it as referring to the perpetrator’s sexual orientation.
        
        As an expert panel of researchers convened by the National Academy of Sciences noted in a 1993 report: “The distinction between homosexual and heterosexual child molesters relies on the premise that male molesters of male victims are homosexual in orientation. Most molesters of boys do not report sexual interest in adult men, however” (National Research Council, 1993, p. 143, citation omitted).
        
        To avoid this confusion, it is preferable to refer to men’s sexual abuse of boys with the more accurate label of male-male molestation. Similarly, it is preferable to refer to men’s abuse of girls as male-female molestation. These labels are more accurate because they describe the sex of the individuals involved but don’t implicitly convey unwarranted assumptions about the perpetrator’s sexual orientation.
        
        Typologies of
        OffendersThe distinction between a victim’s gender and a perpetrator’s sexual orientation is important because many child molesters don’t really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children – boys, girls, or children of both sexes.
        
        Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation
        
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        June 3, 2023 11:38am
      - krazykiwi
        
        The Dark Side of the Groom
        
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        June 3, 2023 1:13pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    …as usual, the writer of the piece has missed a lot of context and background to many of the points raised.
    
    That’s because the writer is simply hammering out left-wing agitprop and feelz. Context and background would ruin that.
    
    They’re also weeks behind on this story, as anybody reading US sites like Powerline and RedState would know.
    
    Why do people continue to click on Stuff? Every click you provide helps them survive a little longer to continue to push crap stories for the Left.
    
    Die MSM, Die
    
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    June 3, 2023 12:00pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Ditto big tech. Why support their existence???
      
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      June 3, 2023 4:39pm
- Xquenda Choudhury
  
  Just an amusing addendum to Bud Light. The marketing executive who dreamt up the partnership with a trans activist to promote beer to good ol boys in Michigan and Pennsylvania has taken ‘a leave of absence’ from the company. 😂
  
  https://apnews.com/article/bud-light-transgender-influencer-partnership-marketing-executive-234ac7cf05d2124ed6ff7162e4771a43
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:04am
  - rouppe
    
    Maybe they should just stick to making beer.
    
    Interesting that this seems to be a storm in a teacup since the share price is still up 9% for the year?
    
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    June 3, 2023 9:14am
  - dubya
    
    Gender politics aside, the marketing genius who came up with using a talentless influencer rather than a celebrity with some chops, deserves to be fired.
    
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    June 3, 2023 9:23am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      They were fired, well they ‘went on extended leave’ a few months ago. I don’t think they’ll be back.
      
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      June 3, 2023 10:49am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    He’s not a trans activist he’s a gay man parodying women in a type of woman black face, it’s an act and when seen as that one he’s very good at. If Stuff were to look at any of his TikTok content that fact would be painfully obvious. The man is a disgraceful misogynist but hey looking any deeper into the issue than what’s being written on twitter and reddit and the many woke platforms that push out the formulated opinions to be rehashed by lazy minimum wage “ studies” grads is expecting far too much.
    
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    June 3, 2023 9:30am
    - Che Guava
      
      His misogyny? I look at that guy and his misogyny doesn’t leap forward as being his most disagreeable attribute. We can just say that transgenderism is wrong in itself, without relying on liberal notions of being mean to women as our premises.
      
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      June 3, 2023 9:58am
      - Stellaboxer
        
        My point Che is that he is not transgender it’s an act and a very obvious one think Dame Edna without the comic genius. His first day as a woman video has him telling us how he has already been shopping and spent more money than he had amongst other stereotypical bimbo behaviour, things by implication he didn’t do the day before as a man.
        
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        June 3, 2023 10:52am
      - Che Guava
        
        Your point was that he is a “disgraceful misogynist” (whatever that means) and my response was so what – he thinks he’s a woman and others accept his delusion, which is far worse.
        
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        June 3, 2023 11:58am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Mulvaney now ‘identifies’ as a lesbian.
      
      Grab a sick bag.
      
      https://twitter.com/CatchUpFeed/status/1662961360643424257
      
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      June 3, 2023 10:53am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        OK. You do you, as they say.
        
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        June 3, 2023 3:51pm
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Her pronouns are un/employed.
    
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    June 3, 2023 1:05pm
- Che Guava
  
  The most amazing part is that it took a tranny on their favourite beer can to motivate a tangible pushback. Where have they been for the last 10 (or 50) years?
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:31am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    The most amazing thing is that Bud is terrible beer & yet people drink it & the company is worth billions.
    
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    June 3, 2023 10:23am
    - Che Guava
      
      I suppose if it numbs the pain, dulls the senses, and keeps them distracted, that’s all that matters.
      
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      June 3, 2023 10:49am
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      Budweiser makes Gnats Piss taste like Chateau Lafitte Rotschild!!!
      
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      June 3, 2023 11:25am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Actually original is Budvar from Czech town of Budovice.
      Great beer.
      Years ago there was an apparent court case regarding Budweiser and Budvar? Not sure what came of it.
      Interesting all the same.
      
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      June 3, 2023 2:38pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Mmmm Czech beer!
        
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        June 3, 2023 4:33pm
      - kowtow
        
        Agree . A nice crisp pilsner .
        
        As to the case ;
        
        ‘As a result, Budweiser Budvar has the rights to the name Budweiser in most of Europe and Anheuser-Busch InBev has this right in North America. Consequently, AB InBev uses the name “Bud” in most of Europe and Budvar sells its beer in North America under the name “Czechvar”.’
        
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        June 3, 2023 5:29pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  The hypocrisy is at astonishing levels. Charlie Mitchell is and has been a shill for some time. He was a big pusher of the covid narrative and transitioned to climate with ease in recent months.
  I suppose in the current climate it’s no wonder he transitioned to the ‘current thing’ so comfortably!
  
  Lovely to hear the plaintive wailing from the bought and owned msm!
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:32am
- BarryB
  
  I initially saw this on Youtube and have been following it regularly.
  If you saw this Mulvaney character (the trany) on the street you would immediately think that he should not be allowed out by himself.
  Bud light sales are down 25+% and Budweiser are actually trying to give it away or in some cases giving a discount that actually pays people 1cent to by a 12 case.
  Coors or Miller went less blatantly down the same track and they are also down in sales but nothing like Bud Light is. Target stores – who promote a range of ‘Pride’ clothes got instructions to move the Pride section “right down to the back of the store”
  
  The moron who thought up the promotion for Bud light obviously came from one of the progressive US Universities – and she described Bud Light as a label that needed help and she thought the image of the beer was a bit “Fraty” – whatever the hell that means.
  
  There is some serious stuff behind this whole mess and its about credit – of the money type.
  The big suppliers of credit (which Budweiser needs to trade) have a rating number for all customers. This rating includes such things as environmental care and sustainability etc, etc and promoting diversity. Bloody scary when you think about it.
  Banks are starting the same thing. A UK programme called trigger nometry – which has some very interesting presentations about all sorts of things – including the stupidity of the trans lot – had their bank account closed because the bank didnt like what they were doing.
  
  However despite this everyone has to push back against these things and Im really enjoying the Bud Light story and how a bit of citizen action can cost them billions – so far apparently about $9 billion – all because some halfwit though the label was fratty…
  One highlight was the big highway sign that said “this butts for you” a play on Bud Lights promotion phrase – “This buds for you”. Brilliant
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:37am
- Burtland
  
  The same media who invented the “secret white supremacist salute” – how TV3s Amelia Wade even has a job after that is beyond me.
  
  This election is going to be a media clown show.
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:42am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Saturday bullshit. Sea levels rise 10 feet (10 meters)
Where are all of the people going to live? A booming industry should start soon. Boats. If you don’t have a boat, get one now. I have two, just in case the rubbish from France Carruthers is mildly correct.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/the-cities-at-risk-from-rising-sea-levels-and-what-they-could-look-like/ss-AA1bSZGQ
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June 3, 2023 8:29am
- septic skeptic
  
  I think we will have to put in longer piles at the marina to stop the pontoons from floating off!
  
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  June 3, 2023 8:33am
- mandk
  
  That story is dishonest.
  
  It shows the water reaching the same level as Kings College Chapel in Cambridge, even though it is 13 metres above sea level.
  
  It’s easy enough nowadays to find the elevation of just about any place on earth.
  
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  June 3, 2023 8:48am
  - mandk
    
    I just did an internet search, and the worst-case scenario I could find was a rise in sea levels of about 2.4 metres by 2100.
    
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    June 3, 2023 10:50am
    - NothingLeft
      
      And that estimate is just horseshit. Current sea level rise (tide gauges corrected for subsidence) are around 1-2mm/year, lower than average for Holocene interglacial we are in where rate of change has averaged about 3mm/yr up or down, but it would need to increase to 30mm/year for that 2.4m to come to pass.
      
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      June 3, 2023 11:58am
      - mawm
        
        The Battery in NY, NY is one of the oldest tidal gauges around. I think Presidio in San Fran has the record for being the longest continuous record. Anyway it is quite clear to the naked untrained eye that the sea level has been rising since man started recording it and that the rise is linear. So in current parlance it’s all horseshit.
        https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_station.shtml?id=8518750
        
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        June 3, 2023 1:45pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Dishonest? The whole bloody climate change rort is dishonest!
    
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    June 4, 2023 10:42am
- Xquenda Choudhury
  
  If the threat was serious, wouldn’t the market for waterfront houses collapse?
  
  Barrack Obama handed over 11 million USD for a house right on the Atlantic foreshore. 😂
  
  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.barrons.com/amp/articles/barack-and-michelle-obama-reportedly-close-deal-for-11-75-million-marthas-vineyard-estate-01575648643
  
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  June 3, 2023 8:51am
  - mawm
    
    Didn’t he say something along the lines that his election was the moment the seas stopped rising?
    
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    June 3, 2023 1:48pm
- Tomtoddy
  
  These “learned” opinions are always in the future. Few stop to wonder why 50 years of these predictions have failed. The problem is that insurance companies are starting to up premiums for buildings near the sea. Authorities are phasing down essential services on the coast.
  
  A lie told often enough becomes a truth.
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:00am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I looked outside at 7.30 this morning and the sky still has not fallen.
    
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    June 3, 2023 9:02am
    - pdm
      
      Not a cloud to be seen in a clear bluesky over Hastings at 9.30am approx.
      
      Chilly though after several very mild days.
      
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      June 3, 2023 9:30am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Nearly time for the helicopters over the vineyards?
        I know someone who used to be there.
        
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        June 3, 2023 10:11am
    - Burtland
      
      Tane Mahuta is still standing strong – just as well as the reserve bank might collapse too.
      
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      June 3, 2023 9:47am
  - kevn
    
    @Tom… Coastal erosion is more issue.
    
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    June 3, 2023 9:53am
    - kowtow
      
      Been around since forever .
      
      ‘But a massive storm in 1286 swept away the monastery, along with many homes and other buildings. The crumbling stone walls you can visit today are the remains of the “new” friary, rebuilt in the late 13th Century on land half a mile from the sea. They now stand perilously close to the edge of the cliffs – illustrating how storms, surges and coastal erosion turned the tide on thriving Dunwich, some of which was later built on higher ground.’
      
      https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20220227-dunwich-the-british-town-lost-to-the-sea
      
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      June 3, 2023 2:29pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Also inside these woke-infected corporations, nobody dares to point and laugh at the Emporer’s nakedness. Disciplinary action would be certain to follow.
    
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    June 3, 2023 3:54pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I’m still interested in taking seaside baches off people’s hands for them. This month I’ll take them for free, but as the sea is rising so fast I’ll have to start charging people next month. Get in quick!
  Don’t take my word for it – scientists tell us that the doomsday glacier could collapse at any moment! You trust scientists, don’t you?
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Two types of scientists. The type who brainwash people and beg the Govt for research money. The second type who are genuine, who do their work and publish results.
    I know who I listen to.
    
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    June 3, 2023 9:33am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I have offered to take crystalline forms of Carbon from folks and organizations desperate to be Carbon Zero, but no luck, to date.
    
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    June 3, 2023 1:04pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  The fact is that we could get a big sea level rise and it has nothing to do with CO2 but underseas volcanos near Antartica.
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:18am
  - Xquenda Choudhury
    
    Sea levels of course can rise (and fall) dramatically. Lok at the Marlborough Sounds which were a series of complex river valleys 12,000 years ago during the last glacial maximum.
    
    So, yes coastal cities may well drown, but there is no evidence this will happen by 2100. In hundreds of years, or a thousand years then, yes maybe. However humans are simply not equipped for thinking hundreds of years ahead. In the next few hundred years we are likely to face threats from a large asteroid impact, a (highly deadly this time) virus pandemic, nuclear war, AI attacks, and on and on. Worrying about the sea level being 30 cm higher in a hundred years is neither here nor there.
    
    The other thing – as The Netherlands has shown, humans can adapt – IF they are prosperous. That is the irony we see in New Zealand – the ‘climate change policies’ will impoverish the country making it far more difficult for us to adapt to any flooding or weather threats that climate change may bring.
    
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    June 3, 2023 9:37am
    - Burtland
      
      Q. how did Kiwi get to Stewart Island ?
      A. they walked there
      
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      June 3, 2023 9:53am
      - Xquenda Choudhury
        
        Yes. The same way that Australian aboriginals and a whole lot of marsupials walked from the mainland to Tasmania. They certainly didn’t cross Bass Strait in bark canoes.
        
        Just to reinforce my point about humans not thinking hundreds of years ahead, I recall a few years ago on holiday in the Marlborough sounds. We were on a boat trip and a fellow passenger remarked how amazing the Sounds were. I mentioned that 12,000 years ago they were deep river valleys that had been flooded by rising sea levels. She looked at me like I was crazy. Simply could not comprehend what I was telling her 🙂
        
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        June 3, 2023 10:37am
      - JohnRidd
        
        Exactly so.
        
        I went to Stewart Island on the ferry a few weeks ago and noticed the depth was never much more than 40 metres. Sea level would have been low enough until about 10,000 years ago for flightless birds to walk there.
        
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        June 3, 2023 4:19pm
    - Taieri
      
      The other thing – as The Netherlands has shown, humans can adapt – IF they are prosperous.
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      Did they adapt because they were prosperous or did they become prosperous because they adapted?
      It was the latter I think…
      
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      June 3, 2023 9:56am
      - Xquenda Choudhury
        
        I disagree. Tens of thousands of folk have died in floods in The Netherlands. It has been a relatively prosperous country for centuries.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_floods_in_the_Netherlands
        
        Last time in 1953.
        
        In the second half of the 20th century they really ramped up flood control schemes, spending billions, eg
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuiderzee_Works
        
        Compare that to Bangladesh. About 500,000 folk died in a cyclone in 1970. If there was a repeat cyclone today in the same spot it would be possibly millions dead.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_Bhola_cyclone
        
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        June 3, 2023 10:44am
      - fightingtemeraire
        
        The 1953 floods also covered SE England and Belgium. They were horrendous all caused by a spring tide at the same time as v low pressure causing a tidal surge.
        
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        June 3, 2023 11:22am
      - Taieri
        
        I disagree. Tens of thousands of folk have died in floods in The Netherlands. It has been a relatively prosperous country for centuries.
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        And what was the source of their prosperity?
        Apart from the intellectual and religious tolerance? The first land reclamations on any scale occurred in the Netherlands as early as the beginning of the 17th century. This was made possible by utilizing cheap energy from windmills driving water pumps. At about the same time their shipping industry started expanding worldwide – made possible by the availability of timber and grain imported mainly from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. And the rest as they say is a history…
        As an addendum…the Dutch expertise in land conversion was repeated in several places around the Baltic Sea such as Vistula Delta and Sambia Peninsula. The canal network built there still exists and still works well.
        
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        June 3, 2023 11:55am
      - mawm
        
        Xquenda – Hasn’t that area of Bangladesh had massive subsidence?
        
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        June 3, 2023 1:53pm
    - kowtow
      
      Ah the Dutch !
      
      First they reclaim land from the sea at great effort and expense to grow food for a growing populace and then having become one of the wealthiest nations in the world , they shut down those farms cos “climate change”.
      
      Nuts.
      
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      June 3, 2023 10:08am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      In Taumuranui you can find rock concretions with seashells embedded in them.
      
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      June 3, 2023 10:38am
      - JohnRidd
        
        Yes, but that is because the land has lifted up, not because the sea levels have fallen.
        
        Which is not to say sea levels have not been higher than now. They were about 1 to 2 metres higher during the middle of the Holocene, between about 8000 and 4000 years ago.
        
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        June 3, 2023 4:37pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Don’t worry about all that. AI will likely create a giant fustercluck within the next couple of years.
      
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      June 3, 2023 3:57pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Snow coming to Otago high country, they said on weather warning, toads could be covered with snow, and maybe the snow will tear all the power lines down, ffs, it’s not even classed as a high snow event.
  
  Time to tell these muppets to f….off
  
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  June 3, 2023 12:17pm
  - Ghost
    
    Omg not the toads, someone get the toads undercover…..
    
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    June 3, 2023 12:20pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I think all the potholes will make perfect hibernacula.
      
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      June 3, 2023 3:52pm
      - Sacha
        
        Hibernacula – cool!
        I vacuumed my hibernaculum today!
        
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        June 3, 2023 7:05pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        More than this lazy toad did.
        
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        June 3, 2023 7:23pm
- Ra Henare
  
  A list of 50 years of BS predictions, more to come.
  
  https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/
  
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  June 3, 2023 2:30pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Funnier than any NZ ‘comedian’
    
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    June 3, 2023 8:08pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Great article from Interest.co.nz about this very fact.
  Well worth the read.
  https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/121439/sean-rush-katharine-moody-say-nz-needs-be-more-realistic-when-it-comes-policy
  And,
  https://www.interest.co.nz/insurance/89029/how-longer-term-insurance-policies-could-prevent-mortgage-defaults-future
  
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  June 3, 2023 2:47pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    From the above article. There must be legal discourse due to incorrect information ? Surely.
    
    “The findings were so inconsistent with what the much longer-term tide gauges showed, that their publication warranted closer scrutiny. What was omitted from the media coverage was that despite submitting a manuscript to the American Geophysical Union’s, Earth’s Future, in July 2022, it was not published (and still has not been) as it did not pass the peer review process. ”
    
    This is what your banks and insurance companies are relying on.
    
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    June 3, 2023 3:37pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  I guess they missed the fact we have these people called engineers and these machines called bulldozers. Humans adapt. Always have. Especially to slowly changing conditions.
  
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  June 3, 2023 4:36pm
sirknz

You really can’t make this stuff up.

An ‘article’ from everyone’s favourite $1 shop media outlet about how empowering Only Fans content creation is.

https://archive.fo/UgPCo [$tuff]

Apparently sex work is real empowering, so empowering that the girl in this piece doesn’t use her real name.

Throw in the obligatory lecturer from a university who is an expert on this stuff who looks exactly like you would think and you have a typical Saturday morning dumpster fire.
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June 3, 2023 8:30am
- Taieri
  
  Throw in the obligatory lecturer from a university who is an expert on this stuff who looks exactly like you would think and you have a typical Saturday morning dumpster fire
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  Gwyn uses the neutral pronouns they/them, rather than he/him or she/her.
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:59am
Surely Knott

Stuff headline “It wasn’t tough at all. Leaving NZ for a later life London OE”

…”it showed them that, while the immigration rules in many countries’ say otherwise, you don’t have to be under 35 to do an OE.”

“With Steve’s British passport, they decided to up sticks to London, …”

So the story is really the British can travel to Britain at any age on British passport.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/kiwi-traveller/300895774/it-wasnt-tough-at-all-leaving-new-zealand-for-a-later-life-oe-in-london
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June 3, 2023 8:34am
- greybeard
  
  Yes, and the article doesn’t say how much cash they had in the bank when they made their move.
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:46am
Bridgenag

Friday Funnies: Because Chicago is So Safe
and other modern fairy tales

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/friday-funnies-because-chicago-is?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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June 3, 2023 8:38am
Tomtoddy

The European Parliament declared a “climate emergency”, so the Greek Government established the Ministry of Climate Crisis and Civil Protection advertising it as “an important innovation of our country.” It followed some bad flooding and a summer of wildfires.

The media made regular comment that climate change was responsible for a growing number of dangerous weather events. Pressure groups screamed for action.

A careful, in-depth study of Greece’s climate over 200 years revealed no trends, no deterioration, no need for action. Will it make any difference? Stop the craziness? Nah. The world has moved on from ‘facts’ and ‘truth’. Reality is the new fairytale.
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June 3, 2023 8:38am
- kowtow
  
  Beware of Greeks looking for more Euro transfers from the hand working north west.
  
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  June 3, 2023 8:57am
- Xquenda Choudhury
  
  In 2019, Christchurch City Council declared a “Climate and Ecological Emergency”. 😂 They invested in buses. There are few, and frequently zero passengers.
  
  They also invested in cycleways. I have a bike and I do use them. However for recreation and exercise, not for commuting. The last census showed that there were fewer people in Christchurch commuting by cycling than in 1990.🙄.
  
  Judging by the steadily worsening peak hour traffic in Christchurch, I would say that nobody is paying any attention to the climate emergency.
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:00am
- Che Guava
  
  Truth is the opinion of the powerful.
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:38am
  - kisekiman
    
    i.e. “safe and effective”.
    
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    June 3, 2023 1:14pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Grifters are going to grift.
  
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  June 3, 2023 4:04pm
surfing

My son’s motorbike stolen again yesterday. Struggling student just trying to do good in life.

He only just got it back on the road again after it was stolen last year and the mongrel mob loser did nearly 2k damage to it.

The mongrel mob loser promised to pay my son for that, but haven’t seen a cent, and the mongrel mob loser doesn’t appear to have been given any real punishment.

Yesterday, the gangs were out stealing bikes in the city, they stole my son’s bike and his friends bike, put them on a trailer and drove to Mangere. The police helicopter tracked them and they got 2 bikes back, but, the other one wasn’t my son’s as we were hoping. So , it still remains stolen, but that is at least 3 motorbikes taken by these mobsters.

The people in possession of the bikes say they just found them so the cops didn’t even arrest them.

Fed up with this country and the criminals who are running it.
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June 3, 2023 8:44am
- kowtow
  
  ‘The people in possession of the bikes say they just found them so the cops didn’t even arrest them.’
  
  Surely at the very least Plod could have seized the car and trailer as evidence while they “investigated” the theft . And put the suspects on bail .
  
  Many ways to skin a cat , if you try hard enough.
  
  Now some might say that’s too harsh , but this is clearly organised crime and some effort must be made to stop it .
  
  Or are the police , like the regime , also soft on crime.
  
  ps; are these the bikes that the ferals drive around in mobs that the cops say they are cracking down on ?
  
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  June 3, 2023 10:14am
  - Matt Long
    
    They probably stole the trailer too.
    
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    June 3, 2023 10:37am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  Michael Hill thefts compared Canada, Oz, NZ
  https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/tremain-break-ins
  
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  June 3, 2023 1:30pm
Chris Nisbet

Really glad that Simon Wilson has decided for us that micro-EVs are better than bikes. This whole idea of deciding for myself what I think I want/need is so last century.
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June 3, 2023 8:47am
- CJames
  
  Simon Wilson doesn’t have good form for picking winners does he. Or does he hope his few remaining readers have the attention span of goldfish?
  
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  June 3, 2023 8:57am
- Gravelroad
  
  @Chris
  I venture to suggest that almost nobody outside of certain enclaves in Auckland and the Labour Party HQ at parliament have ever heard of Mr Wilson.
  He is the worst type of journalist- the conceited type who knows best about everything – based on personal preferences and political activism.
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:08am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    I didn’t know him from a bar of soap until a few years back when I saw an article from him suggesting that the only reason why we weren’t all cycling everywhere was that there weren’t enough cycle-ways.
    I decided then that he was an idiot. I haven’t changed my mind. He’s an idiot with a platform though, which means he can do a bit of damage.
    
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    June 3, 2023 9:17am
- Mike H S
  
  Who is Simon Wilson? A lefty nobody.
  
  I see his name occasionally in the NZH but don’t read any of his articles. I reckon they don’t credit some of his articles so they catch the unsuspecting readers.
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:24am
  - BeaB
    
    Unfortunately he didn’t tell us the truth. What does that make him?
    
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    June 3, 2023 12:54pm
- dubya
  
  Please please please let Simon Wilson get a funny little clown car, it will make my day when I see it!
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:25am
  - BeaB
    
    And in Stuff this morning we are told by Luke Malpass that Marama Davidson has been ‘toiling’ away on homelessness and domestic violence. Really? Have her toils made any difference? Have there actually been any toils?
    Do all our reporters just make stuff up?
    
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    June 3, 2023 12:53pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Wilson’s the guy that made up stories about National meeting attendees all being racists last week, and was then forced to retract after someone checked a recording and discovered that he’d made it up.
  
  So; revealed as a liar working for the media party, trying to get his tribe re-elected. Not a journalist.
  
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  June 3, 2023 12:06pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Yes I think Simon would look very sporting in one of these:
  
  https://www.carscoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/2021-Microlino-Prototype-2.0-7-1024×555.jpg
  
  Good luck convincing the ever growing mass of SUV idiots (just kidding about the climate emergency, were they?) that these are a great idea.
  
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  June 3, 2023 4:11pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

So, the inconvenient truth about climate change is that there are simply too many of us. The world’s population has tripled since the war. I once read something to the effect that there are more humans alive today than humans that are dead – not sure if that’s true but it’s startlingly illustrative.

At the most basic level – 8B people simply exhaling has to contribute additional CO2. Let alone the associated production of housing, consumer goods etc.

The Greens must know this, but it’s the sacred cow they will never slaughter.
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June 3, 2023 8:49am
- sirknz
  
  At the most basic level – 8B people simply exhaling has to contribute additional CO2.
  ———————————
  
  Subtract all the extinct species and it should balance out.
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:34am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The biggest threat to the planet is population decline. The lunatic alarmists screeching hysterically about our demise are wrong.
  
  Even the BBC has covered it in 2020.
  
  https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53409521
  
  Falling fertility rates mean nearly every country could have shrinking populations by the end of the century.
  
  And 23 nations – including Spain and Japan – are expected to see their populations halve by 2100.
  
  This is not a good scenario.
  This trend was already widely predicted, but since the covid lunacy it’s gotten worse. Many people have a very pessimistic view of the future and are putting off having children.
  
  When you see the current insanity of the woke culture, you can hardly blame people. The world is being overrun by hysterical, narcissistic, irrational, demanding morons who believe they are entitled to everything and they are beyond criticism.
  We are a species creating the perfect environment for our demise on this planet, and when I look at some of those clowns ‘demanding’ that everyone stop everything and do what they say, I think to myself, we get what we deserve.
  
  It’s going to be a shit fight to reverse the madness we’ve been subjected to the last few years. We all need to put in a bit of effort if we have any kids or grandkids we love and want a future for.
  
  These ‘woke’ agendas need to be treated with the utter contempt and ridicule they deserve.
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:57am
  - KH
    
    Woke is truly awful Clan. True.
    But the world and New Zealand both would be better off with fewer people.
    
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    June 3, 2023 12:33pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      KH – I don’t disagree about having fewer people, but the alarmist garbage that has been pumped out on the name of ‘climate’ something is next level.
      Anyway, the planet will regulate itself, to many narcissists on this rock who think they can ‘fix’ nature, health, animal species etc.
      
      The Green movement in particular are delusional idiots who think they can capture time in a bottle and ‘protect’ the species that they think they have the god given right to decide. What makes them think that the existing species on earth are the ones that need preserved for all time. What a pity those cavemen didn’t keep the species of that time preserved, just imagine, sabre tooth tigers and dinosaurs roaming down Queen Street.
      
      Morons.
      
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      June 3, 2023 1:13pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      So you want fewer scientists inventing/discovering better solutions to disease and humanitarian problems.
      
      You want fewer people to look after you when you are old and decrepit.
      
      I really do wish people would engage some rational thinking before kneejerking their gob.
      
      The world is dragging 100s of millions out of poverty and can produce enough fuel and energy to feed and sustain current levels of world population.
      
      So the NIMBYs leap on to their keyboards.
      
      For those unable to read the numbers. World population growth is slowing fast, while at the same time numbers of old buggars are exploding.
      
      I guess limited intelligence KBers would just exterminate the old buggars rather than provide for them….
      
      Humph
      
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      June 3, 2023 2:41pm
      - Sacha
        
        The way I heard it explained: the global population will fall because: baby boomers will die off. Some of them will have bred to replace themselves – but these people are of the internet generation and (especially young men) spend more time at home and can get their satisfaction via the internet without having to cultivate human sexual relationships. They quite simply are not doing their bit to maintain the population.
        Young women are still focussing on their careers, thinking that they can have their children later. This just shows their ignorance because it is harder for women 30-35 and up to conceive and bear children. and unlike men, they have a finite number of eggs that can be fertilised – so will have wasted a lot of them by delaying their breeding potential.
        And men tend to like younger women as sexual partners and mothers of their children.
        The end result is fewer of us.
        
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        June 3, 2023 7:34pm
  - mawm
    
    The Malthusians, which include the WEF, are apparently all wrong and it is the loss of population we should fear. Even Elon has weighed in on this.
    https://thehill.com/changing-america/sustainability/565224-elon-musk-says-population-collapse-potentially-the-greatest/
    
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    June 3, 2023 2:34pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Well, spank my arse and call me Charlie!

The Beeb uses the words ‘far-left extremist’, in that order.

Someone is definitely off to the re-education camps.

‘A jail term for a far-left extremist who took part in violent attacks on neo-Nazis has caused uproar on both the left and right of German politics’

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65785592
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June 3, 2023 8:54am
Opie

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/s-club-7s-paul-cattermole-death-certificate-reveals-star-died-from-multiple-heart-issues/UPW5N2AW5BBQLNJK7WDTZ6I7LM/

He was just 46.

PS: Make sure you get boosted.
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June 3, 2023 8:56am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Opie – oh dear, a downtick. Somebody must have got their bivalent yesterday…….🤔
  
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  June 3, 2023 10:00am
- RightNow
  
  There’s an unsubstantiated story that Jamie Foxx had a stroke immediately after being jabbed to meet requirements for the movie he was working on.
  The report is he didn’t want to have the shot, so if (big if) it is true I expect he will not want to keep quiet about it.
  I stress this is unsubstantiated.
  
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  June 3, 2023 1:53pm
Inandout

Censorship, US style.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr-banned-by-major-social-media-site-campaign-pages-blocked_5308966.html

Can’t happen here?
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June 3, 2023 8:56am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Inandout – it’s on it’s way unless enough people oppose it.
  Check out DPF’s post from yesterday afternoon.
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/06/government_proposes_censorship_regime_for_blogs.html
  
  That is a frightening proposal, if you think government overreach was bad during covid, you ain’t seen nuthin’ yet.
  
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  June 3, 2023 10:04am
  - Inandout
    
    CM, yes I read the article and what crossed my mind would the gangs have a way around it, as they are untouchable?
    
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    June 3, 2023 10:41am
Maggy Wassilieff

I know I’m a cynical old bird, but I can’t help thinking Grant Robertson’s voluntary buy-out of cyclone condemned houses and marae is going to turn into a massive clustermess.

Evidence 1.
The cost of the buyout will be shared by Government and local councils…. but is that a 50:50 share or a 90:10 share?

Details have not yet been worked out.

Evidence 2. Uninsured properties?

Details have not yet been worked out.

Evidence 3.
Buyout for properties on Maori Land (Maori whenua)

Appropriate processes to engage with Maori are still to be devised.

Evidence 4. The cost of the buyouts is unknown… Grant Robertson suggests in the order of $1Billion.

It has not yet been decided how this will be financed.

Evidence 5. Insured Properties

The role insurance would play in buyouts is still being worked out.

My Conclusion:

The payout process will be dragged out for the next few months up until the election….. The incoming Government will inherit a mess…..

If Labour wins the election it will be more bluster and spin from Cyclone Recovery Minister Grant Robertson.

If the Nats win, they’ll be blamed for the lack of action as soon as they try to settle with landowners and councils.
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June 3, 2023 8:58am
- Bill Felt
  
  The evidence of the performance of this Govt over the last 6 years confirms that you will be correct
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:02am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Since people identifying as Maori are unable to alienate tribal land (as separate from personally owned land), presumably no payout will occur since by definition they won’t be walking off the land?
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:04am
- rouppe
  
  Plus, it’s not really the taxpayers responsibility.
  
  It seems like if a weather event damages a region, the government will buy you out, even if you’re not insured.
  
  But if a weather event damages just my house, it’s all on me.
  
  Those points you mention are salient, because it’s committing a future government to a huge expense, and it’s clearly not been properly quantified.
  
  Almost like a land mine that will explode after the election
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:05am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Government buying Maori land? I can’t see any issues arising from that at all.
  /s.
  Seriously though, I can quite easily imagine that (some) Maori might still claim the land as theirs to do with as they see fit even after it was ‘bought’ by the government.
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:23am
  - Nickc2
    
    WRONG!
    This Govt (if re-elected) will give Maori new land to own/occupy and probably new dwellings etc. Once the old land has been cleaned up and flood-protected, Maori will claim that land back for various reasons while retaining the newly gifted land. It’ll be a win-win situation for Maori elite.
    Oh, I forgot to mention there will have to be some koha paid eh?
    
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    June 3, 2023 9:45am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You have been reading the Stop Co-Governance blog right?
      
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      June 3, 2023 11:03am
      - Nickc2
        
        Uptick, but no.
        
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        June 3, 2023 2:49pm
- Burtland
  
  If the government buys out current damage from adverse weather events wont it be liable for damage from all future weather events ?
  
  EQC would need to be extended to flooding – do they run a fund any more?
  
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  June 3, 2023 10:45am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Aah, you’re forgetting that once we ruin farming, ban ICE cars, depopulate, live in 15 minute cities, all that good stuff, we won’t get bad weather any more, just like it was before 1950 or so, when we started ‘polluting’ the air with the stuff of life.
    
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    June 3, 2023 11:39am
  - Paulus
    
    Understand that EQC with a new Maori name, have virtually no money in the kittty as Christchurch fiasco is not done yet.
    
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    June 3, 2023 1:37pm
Jack5

Ratbag criminals are scooping up copper again – like the two-century old cannon on the Auckland waterfront that’s just been stolen.

A few decades ago scum were ripping down rural telephone lines, and tearing old copper spouting off schools.

Patrolling the scrapyards ought to solve the problem in a small, remote country like NZ.

The world copper price wavers with movement of the Chinese economy.

From July last year to January the world copper price rose 35 per cent, but the Wall Street Journal says what it calls a sputtering economic recovery in China has taken the price down 6.9 per cent in the last month.

The benchmark futures contract for copper closed yesterday at $US8,272 a metric ton, the newspaper reports.

In the meantime, smart local bodies will be watching monuments, and the police ought to be watching the scrap metal trade.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300896145/disgraceful-thieves-use-crane-to-steal-205yearold-cannon-from-auckland-waterfront
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June 3, 2023 9:06am
- Drone
  
  @Jack5 they need the copper for the motors that run the Teslas.. //
  
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  June 3, 2023 12:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

A brilliant interview that explains why some want Co-Governance.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/reality-check-radio-interview-between-julian-and-paul-brennan-attracting-a-lot-of-attention/
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June 3, 2023 9:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  26 minutes in Julian talks about being assaulted by a Maori woman. Recorded, went to Court and the Judge let the woman off. The reason? Labour Govt had Judges letting people off to keep Maori stats down.
  
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  June 3, 2023 9:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  This interview/discussion is a wealth of knowledge.
  Well worth the 55 minutes. NZ is going downhill fast. We are at the rebranding stage, Maori names everywhere, and Mr Taxpayer foots the bill.
  
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  June 3, 2023 10:14am
Rusty

Recently I had a lighthearted conversation with a young guy in his early 30s on climate change.

He was adamant man made climate change was real and was the number one danger to the human race and the environment.

I asked him — why aren’t thousands of birds dropping dead out of the sky everyday around the world due to climate change?

His answer — birds are smarter than us and know how to avoid it all!
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June 3, 2023 9:19am
- Master Mariner
  
  Rusty “I asked him — why aren’t thousands of birds dropping dead out of the sky everyday around the world due to climate change?”
  Well they are, Due to being chopped to bits by bigger and bigger Windmills installed due too “Climate Change”.
  Need to rephrase that question my friend//
  
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  June 3, 2023 2:56pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How many folks realise the role co-governance will play in the replacement RMA bill?

David Farrar, a co-founder of the union, says the replacement legislation for the RMA is “much, much worse” than Three Waters and will “dictate what you can do with your house, your farm, and your business”.

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2023/06/02/graham-adams-co-governance-for-your-deck/#more-22479
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June 3, 2023 9:29am
- Matt Long
  
  It’s a shock, a guy like Parker making legislation worse than even Palmer could manage esp. when compared with all this government’s other “achievements.”
  
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  June 3, 2023 10:47am
- Swifty
  
  Anyone, especially Maori, who supports this legislation in its current form, forfeits their right to ever again complain about low Maori home ownership rates or the price of homes, the cost of rent or the degree of homelessness in NZ.
  
  In fact, they should then actively shoulder the blame for it.
  
  Fools. Utter fools.
  
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  June 3, 2023 12:36pm
emmess

Somebody send this to Hipkins
https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1664424891372941312/video/1

[Mod – in future please give a description of what your links is]
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June 3, 2023 9:30am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Musk had to step in and fire another woke moron in his business who tried to censor that excellent documentary.
  
  ‘What Is A (Fired) Woman?’ – Twitter Head Of Trust & Safety Gone After “Mistake” Banning Documentary
  
  https://www.zerohedge.com/political/taibbi-meet-new-twitter-same-old-twitter?utm_source=
  
  Anyone who hasn’t watched it, you need to, and share it widely.
  
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  June 3, 2023 10:12am
Stephen

The latest Roy Morgan Poll makes interesting reading. It has Labour at 31% and National at 31.5%. If National pick up all the electorates they lost in 2020, they will only be intitled to a couple of list MPS. The sitting list members should be very worried.
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June 3, 2023 9:33am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Let me guess, it has the greens well above 10% and TPM at 5%. Don’t be fooled
  
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  June 3, 2023 12:21pm
Ghost

What a pathetic joke, who would want to be a landlord

The Tenancy Tribunal has dismissed a landlord’s request to evict her tenants, despite them being $62,238.90 behind in their rent.

The tenants will pay the debt off at $30 a week until 2063.

According to a recently released Tenancy Tribunal decision, landlord S Yu wanted the tenants out of her property in Bayview on Auckland’s North Shore because of their huge rent arrears.

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June 3, 2023 9:58am
- Flossie
  
  What a joke! And I know from having previously been a landlord that while the Tribunal might “award damages” to the landlord at a hearing, getting your hands on any of that money is down to the landlord. No teeth to the Tribunal whatsoever.
  
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  June 3, 2023 10:02am
  - MCōs
    
    No my experience
    Furthermore
    In this particular example, why did the arrears blows out to such an extent before they took action?
    If they had placed their retental in the hands of a reputable property manager it wouldn’t have come to this.
    
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    June 3, 2023 10:30am
    - artemisia
      
      It actually is up to the landlord to take action to collect the debt decided by the Tenancy Tribunal. Doesn’t mean the landlord will ever see any of it.
      
      There has to be some background to the amount of the rent arrears and this will be in the TT’s published decision since there is apparently no suppression order.
      
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      June 3, 2023 12:47pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ratbags living in my area. They should have been thrown out after 4 weeks behind.
  The landlord has to live.
  
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  June 3, 2023 11:17am
- artemisia
  
  There must be more to this decision, including probably agreement between the parties. On the face of it the rent arrears criteria in the Residential Tenancies Act for termination have not been met. The TT adjudicator has some leeway but actually not a lot.
  
  So this is a conditional termination order with strict rules around it. They are quite common, but this one is definitely on the bigly side.
  
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  June 3, 2023 12:26pm
  - artemisia
    
    Oops, meant to say the rent arrears criteria have been met.
    
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    June 3, 2023 2:51pm
Paulus

I see that the Irish lady, Sinead Boucher, who bought Stuff for a dollar, has been removed from role of CEO.
One Dollar did not go far enough, so more Taxpayer money needed for new lady CEO to contimue the existence of Stuffed.
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June 3, 2023 9:59am
- nathie
  
  Honestly, how racist can Stuff senior management be … even in 2023?
  
  Evidence #1 = Their mast head is still called “Stuff”. Wrong! It should be called “Puna” (Stuff’s Maori name).
  
  Why? Because for example they use “Waka Kotahi” (instead of NZTA) all the time, ditto “Aotearoa” a lot in their stories.
  
  Evidence #2 = They published a photo of their senior management and yup …. they were all Pale and Stale (and mainly Female – what is this the 2000’s or something! Where are their gender diverse senior managers)!
  
  So the name “Stuff” is outdated and definitely not progressive! Poor form senior management!
  
  However they can be saved with a good dose of cultural appropriation – Puna!
  
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  June 3, 2023 10:37am
  - Paulus
    
    A good dose of Olive Oil I suggest !
    
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    June 3, 2023 1:45pm
- kowtow
  
  Karl du Fresne’s blog covers these issues nicely. Worth a visit.
  
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  June 3, 2023 1:23pm
mandk

Cheese-rolling.

I love this sport – it’s so completely bonkers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdKRx30s6sk

It should be in the Olympics.
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June 3, 2023 10:29am
- krazykiwi
  
  Our son has done this. Utterly crazy stuff, and the video’s do not do justice to how steep that hill really is. There are ambulances lined up below ready to help the injured.
  
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  June 3, 2023 1:26pm
thirteenstars

The boys at the Lotus Eaters reveal the woke corruption permeating the selection of pilots at the RAF:

https://youtu.be/zycKRsl68Hs?t=89

Leaked emails. Pilots winning massive discrimination payouts. It’s pretty shocking. Been going on for years.

God help them if the RAF should ever be called upon to actually do their job.
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June 3, 2023 10:51am
- sirknz
  
  They do a lot of great stuff over a range of topics.
  
  Very few of their pieces that I don’t listen to, and they often make some very good points about the topic du jour.
  
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  June 3, 2023 12:34pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    They recently got demonetised by YouTube for woke reasons so they earn nothing from their channel.
    
    They do however have a a lot of premium content on their website so if you can you can pay a subscription there, even if only for a couple of months just to keep them afloat.
    
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    June 3, 2023 3:17pm
ClanMcleod

You know that deadly pandemic that was going to wipe out most of the planet?

Zero Young Healthy Individuals Died Of COVID-19, Israeli Data Show

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/zero-young-healthy-individuals-died-covid-19-israeli-data-show

The greatest avoidable medical disaster in the history of the planet. Nothing comes close. In NZ there isn’t a single MP who will speak out about this.
Think about that and what it says about the state of democracy here. Add in co governance and the moves to implement another censorship regime to shut down free speech by this government.

If it goes ahead, Ardern’s Orwellian “single source of truth” will be a reality before you know it.

Democracy is under extreme attack in NZ.
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June 3, 2023 11:21am
- Burtland
  
  Its pretty clear that they “built the wrong plane whilst flying it”, but how do you build the right plane on the fly ?
  
  The last 5 years have taught us the Ministries aren’t capable of building anything that works, not even a basic queuing system. They havent even managed to get the “Ministry of Building Things” up and flying.
  
  This is what systemic failure looks like.
  
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  June 3, 2023 12:12pm
  - mawm
    
    Simple – stick to the pandemic plans already formulated.
    
    With covid every single measure that was not in those plans did not work, probably made it worse, and many of the measures in it but excluded would have been more beneficial.
    
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    June 3, 2023 2:54pm
Ghost

It has everything to do with stupid policy and money being wasted, nothing to do with attacking Māori, but hey, got to put the race card in there.

The chair of the Whānau Ora Commissioning Agency is questioning if the National Party is “trying to pitch Māori as being public enemy no.1” after the furore that erupted over whether Te Reo should be added to traffic signs.

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June 3, 2023 12:13pm
- Swifty
  
  I distinctly remember years ago when Maori TV was being mooted that people just like Merepeka were claiming “all we need to do to save the Maori language is set this tv station up, nothing more need be done…”
  
  What a bloody lie that was.
  
  That was just the start.
  
  I reckon it would be a brave person who would bet against private companies and private individuals being forced by the left to conduct their affairs bi-lingually in the next decade or two.
  
  This won’t stop. It will never be enough. There will always be calls for more.
  
  The monster now has a life of its own and demands being fed. By all of us. Not just those who wish to voluntarily.
  
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  June 3, 2023 12:32pm
  - Paulus
    
    There appears to be two Television stations totally devoted to all things Maori – I wonder who watches ?
    
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    June 3, 2023 1:47pm
    - Ghost
      
      Māori tv have some good movies on, used to watch billy t James on it. Some of the international content is good
      
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      June 3, 2023 1:55pm
      - kowtow
        
        Doesn’t justify the appalling expense that tax payers are put through.
        
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        June 3, 2023 2:48pm
- Sacha
  
  ‘furore’? Really? If the media would shut up, no one would give a hoot.
  
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  June 3, 2023 7:48pm
Swifty

We must decolonise the screen:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/300896492/taika-waititi-slams-hollywood-diversity-crisis-you-fing-broke-it–you-fix-it

And after that we must de-Japanese the kimono, de-Germanify the Oktoberfest, de-Pacific Pasifika and de-Maorify the marae and the hangi.

Well, that would be the fair and reasonable thing to do.

Wouldn’t it?
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June 3, 2023 12:22pm
- sirknz
  
  Waititi can take a running jump at a lamppost. I couldn’t care less about his opinion on anything and his movies are annoying to watch.
  
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  June 3, 2023 1:07pm
- herb1
  
  The colonialists created the movie industry that’s given him his wealth and fame . Ensuring diversity was what gave him his start in the industry as having seen his early acting , it certainly wasn’t his talent that got him any parts
  
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  June 3, 2023 3:26pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Hmm. Taika Waititi, formerly Taika Cohen?
    
    I thought people identifying as Jews are considered to be over represented in Hollywood.
    
    Not sure what he’s complaining about.
    
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    June 3, 2023 8:33pm
Taieri

The chair of the Whānau Ora Commissioning Agency is questioning
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Is this Whanau Ora Agency (whatever it means) in charge of making road signs? Not Waka something anymore?
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June 3, 2023 12:26pm
Surely Knott

Horrific Kaikohe home invasion murder. Woman murdered. 4 generations at the house police said today. Her niece and two daughters tried to fight intruder off.

So lots of people at the house. Murderer still at large.

Police are asking anyone who witnessed the offender to come forward.

Description of offender: barefoot

That’s it barefoot.

Police and media don’t give descriptions of offenders anymore or photos of those convicted.

Reality is offensive.
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June 3, 2023 12:46pm
- Ghost
  
  Can only give a description if they know what the offender looked like.
  
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  June 3, 2023 12:59pm
  - Blog-aholic
    
    The people in the house saw him so they know. They just will not provide it , well we know why.
    
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    June 3, 2023 1:19pm
    - Ghost
      
      Strange because the police often put up photos of people they are after on Facebook which are brown people. The murder just happened, they are working through what they have in front of them. They even may have some suspects as it seems like a strange murder, removing her breathing tubes.
      
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      June 3, 2023 1:32pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      The alleged offender has been arrested, so the Police obviously knew who to nab. The murder has been described as a home invasion, so that me3ans it wasn’t someone from the household. Your suggestion that the occupants didn’t tell the police details of the offender is not only wrong, but offensive.
      
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      June 3, 2023 3:00pm
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    “Her niece and two daughters fought him”. If they can tell it is a him, then they can probably provide some kind of description.
    
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    June 3, 2023 1:20pm
    - Ghost
      
      Problem is we don’t know was the person wearing a hoodie, was their face covered, it’s an early investigation and I think the police comment needs to be respected
      
      We appreciate there are several questions the public will have about what has happened, however at this very early stage there are a number of aspects we are unable to comment on as to not jeopardise the investigation.
      
      They are releasing more details this afternoon with what the offender left behind.
      
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      June 3, 2023 1:25pm
  - kevn
    
    @Ghost… The BooBoo perp left his shoes behind apparently.
    Good DNA opportunity.
    Most likely to be known to the police.
    
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    June 3, 2023 1:25pm
    - Ghost
      
      Yeah, details of what was left behind being released this afternoon, I wouldn’t be surprised if they have a suspect
      
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      June 3, 2023 1:34pm
- Ghost
  
  Details of what was left behind and a description of the offender now released
  
  https://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/police-release-details-items-left-kaikohe-homicide-address?ref=/news&search=&cmin=&cmax=
  
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  June 3, 2023 2:36pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Yip. So details of his generic shoes and shorts. But still no details of the offender himself.
    
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    June 3, 2023 3:15pm
    - Ghost
      
      Wrong, I suggest you read the link
      
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      June 3, 2023 3:20pm
- MCōs
  
  The suspect is not pakeha if that what concerns you
  
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  June 3, 2023 6:50pm
  - Opie
    
    Why would it be a pakeha?
    It won’t be an Asian, or an Indian either.
    
    You have seen the stats, it will be one of the colonized, and to make up for society failing this meth fuelled gangster, you will drive at 30 km/h and read Maori road signs.
    
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    June 3, 2023 7:56pm
kevn

Left shoes and clothing. He’s done. Surely.
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June 3, 2023 1:39pm
Ghost

Oh for goodness sake, you don’t turn up to meetings now you claim people are attacking you for it because you are woman.

New Wellington Mayor Tory Whanau has been ruffling feathers with her approach, coming under criticism this week for not turning up to important events.

Newshub Nation’s Rebecca Wright sat down with her to investigate the criticism surrounding her mayoralty.

Whanau said she finds it amusing her lack of attendance has “become a bit of a thing”.

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June 3, 2023 1:41pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Strange how Mayor Sukhi Turner managed to be Mayor of Dunedin for 3 terms and coped…
  
  and wahine Tania Tapsell seems to be coping well in Rotorua without throwing a hissy fit..
  
  and Rehette Stoltz always seem to be on the ball here in Gisborne.
  
  If Tory Whanau is finding it too difficult to get to scheduled appointments or to keep her equilibrium when attending local meetings, then she has no-one to blame but herself.
  
  There’s no need to pull out the little female card, or the underprivileged race card… for that just creates barriers for other females and under privileged who have the get-up-and-go to do a decent job.
  
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  June 3, 2023 3:22pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    And Tania is having a baby soon, but is only off work a short time, no mention of how hard it will be and no village required
    
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    June 3, 2023 7:53pm
  - Opie
    
    That’s all she has though. You can’t tell me she is qualified or experienced to be a mayor? Especially of a large city.
    
    So when she inevitably gets found wanting, she will blame everyone else but realise she is just another post turtle.
    
    The only thing thats surprising here is her arrogance to not show up to meetings and be caught with a 50% attendance rate so quickly.
    
    She is a class A muppet, not because she is a woman, but because she is a green party activist trying to ruin what was once a nice city.
    
    I know some amazingly talented women, it’s just that she isn’t one of them.
    
    Says a lot about wellingtonians really that they fell for it.
    
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    June 3, 2023 8:05pm
- Opie
  
  Whanau said she finds it amusing her lack of attendance has “become a bit of a thing”
  
  Can we get her employment contract?
  
  I would expect the mayor of any city to be available in the office 9-5 Monday to Friday minimum, apart from offsite meetings, of which she appears to not really go to either.
  
  Your are employed to do a job, at least try and achieve something.
  
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  June 3, 2023 8:09pm
Jack5

On the Government’s proposed censorship of blogs …

Shayne Currie, of the “Herald,” and Anna Rawhiti-Connell, of the Leftist “Spin-off” in a video put up this afternoon:

https://youtu.be/FriU2xaqHio
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June 3, 2023 2:00pm
Pineapple Lumps

Yesterday’s article about the 5year old being abused at school is not an isolated case.

Discipline and understanding that there are consequences for our behaviour are learnt from a young age.

Circa 18 years ago there were two fundamental experimental changes to our society.

1. Criminalisation of loving parental physical discipline.
2. Paid parental leave and the handing over of child raising from the family unit to minimum wage workers.

The first change was widely disagreed with by society and was confirmed by referendum. While introduced by Helen Clark it was cemented into place by John Key. One of the reasons many of us have no faith in the right of politics doing the right thing. They are fiscally but not socially conservative.

Ian Boag inferred yesterday that Corporal punishment in school did not work. But I would suggest it was one of many threads of learning about consequences that has now been removed. That actions and behaviours have consequences is something that must begin in the home but be reinforced with consistency throughout a child’s development. Taking care of the small things prevents the big things from occurring.

We believe ourselves morally superior to the society of 30+ years ago. But what do the results show? How are these experiments working out for us NZ? Unfortunately, this election won’t stop our social decline, as not one of our current political parties is socially conservative and committed to strengthening the family unit.
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  Corporal punishment In school was a joke. It was always the same kids getting the strap, so what did it teach them?
  
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  June 3, 2023 3:06pm
  - JohnRidd
    
    It sure taught me.
    
    I lost count of the number of times I was strapped and caned in primary school.
    
    In secondary, I got plenty of detentions, but never got hit again.
    
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    June 3, 2023 8:03pm
Ghost

This black power member seems to be more passionate about having the census filled out than the minister has ever been

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/eighteen-enticed-to-fill-out-census-by-warehouse-and-supermarket-vouchers-at-warriors/5LGMKJUXKREQ3BN4CEISLNGJDI/
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