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Mark Hanley

Matt Long continues his Labour spin by claiming National will continue labour’s agenda but with less competence.

Which national / labour match up does Matt think Labour wins?

Luxon less competent than Hipkins?
Willis less competent than Robertson?
Reti less competent than Verrall?
Stanford less competent than Tinetti?
Anyone in parliament less competent than Labour’s deputy leader kelvin Davis?

Matt also abuses Act and Seymour but continues to run and hide from the burning question… who does Matt Long recommend we vote for?

Matt now resorts to hurling abuse at me.

I’m only asking questions Matt.

Now how about some answers? (today in this thread!)
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June 2, 2023 8:00am
- pdm
  
  `Anyone in parliament less competent than Labour’s deputy leader kelvin Davis?’
  
  Tough question but Anna Lorck, Marama Davidson and most of the Greens and Maori Party could make a run for that title.
  
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  June 2, 2023 8:41am
  - Colville
    
    ….and you didnt even mention Sepuloni!!
    
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    June 2, 2023 9:02am
  - The Other Enoch
    
    You’re forgetting Jan Tinetti, Poto Williams, Willie Jackson, Duncan Webb, and the worst performer of all, Chris Hipkins.
    
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    June 2, 2023 9:16am
- Chris R
  
  You concentrate on competence; rightly so,….but why not assess integrity too? Does National/ACT lose in this context too? I would doubt that strenuously.
  
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  June 2, 2023 9:03am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Didn’t you mock him for referencing a previous post by you yesterday? And again at the bottom?
  
  National, like always will continue Labour’s agenda but with more competence.
  
  However, that’s moot because Labour now have a line of attack to use against National due to Simon O’Connor and the media will oblige. The women who went to Jacinda will be told constantly that National wants to harm them due to their religious intolerance and they will flock back to Labour.
  
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  June 2, 2023 9:03am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    Libeterian. If you review my posts you will see a strong slant towards identifying issues and providing solutions.
    
    I participate in kiwiblog to broaden my poliical thinking to help formulate solutions.
    
    I want NZ to provide the same childhood through to adult opportunities I enjoyed, to all generations.
    
    Reading the unsubstantiated Luxon abuse is boring and adds nothing to the debate.
    
    Identifying Matt Long’s posts as eerily similar to the Labour Party political machine’s strategy of dividing and abusing opponents instead of devising and implementing solutions isn’t personal abuse, it is vital exposure of clandestine operatives
    
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    June 2, 2023 11:02am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      You keep referring to Luxon abuse without actually stating what you are referring to.
      
      Pointing out perceived failings isn’t abuse, it’s an opinion which you are welcome to counter. That’s what this forum is and why it’s called ‘General Debate’ isn’t it?
      
      We all want rid of the worst government in NZ history, but whether you agree or not, some people are concerned about the direction of the country, particularly re co governance and all that comes with it. To date, National have appeared very weak on the topic. If that is a flawed perception then point out why.
      
      As you know, my personal thing is the refusal to acknowledge the harms done to many people due to totally inappropriate covid policies. Policies that the opposition apparently still approve of. This leads me to be concerned that they would implement similar policies if we were ever to have another ‘pandemic’.
      
      Of particular concern is the proposed amendments to the power of the WHO to take charge of any such event.
      
      Anyway, I am a long way to making a voting decision. I’ll wait and see what everyone has to say between now and election day.
      
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      June 2, 2023 11:53am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Second paragraph is a dam good point. Many forget it.
        
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        June 2, 2023 3:02pm
      - JJ56
        
        A good example of the voting public pointing out Luxon’s failings can be seen in the responses to his recent tweet https://twitter.com/chrisluxonmp/status/1664468629793153025 //
        
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        June 2, 2023 5:15pm
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Clan. The words unsubstantiated and pesonal are the key.
      
      I know you follow my posts so I know you read my statement that constructive criticism of Nationals and Acts policies and election strategy are an important part of political discourse. However balance is also Key which is why I remind kbers of the many very good things Luxon is doing.
      
      However, blaming Luxon for covid actions taken by the labour hierarchy and Bloomfield (in defiance if the preprepared NZ epidemic plan whilst Luxon was a first term opposition MP) is a bit of a stretch. I also provided a reasonable solution to the issue you are so passionate about with no acknowledgement or rational counter idea from you.
      
      Encouraging people to vote for the Charletan who holds the record for the longest time spent in NZ parliament with the least amount of achievement (unless you count the annointment of the disastrous Adern as PM as achievement) is certainly not a solution I can support.
      
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      June 2, 2023 12:43pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Mark – point me to where I blamed Luxon or National for the actions of Labour during covid? That’s either deliberate discombobulation or you haven’t read what I said.
        
        I know Labour are responsible. I repeatedly say that, based on current available, factual, provable information, there is scope for ANYONE to admit that most if not all of the covid policies, created by LABOUR, caused more harm than good.
        
        That many, many thousands of NZers had their livelihoods, businesses, personal and professional relationships and seriously impacted by these actions. The damage was as horrendous as it was unnecessary.
        
        National and Act are in the box seat. They were (presumably) fed exactly the same crap as the rest of the country. It stuns me that they wouldn’t take this extremely easy win. A joint announcement.
        
        Something along these lines.
        
        “We realise now, in the light of new evidence that the vaccines don’t stop transmission or infection with covid, that mandates, vaccine passes and the exclusion of non vaccinated people from society was not only unnecessary, but it caused much harm to many people and did great damage to societal cohesion. We were led to believe by the ‘experts’ and by Labour, who were party to all of the relevant information, that these vaccines were highly effective and totally safe.
        It appears this information was incorrect. If we had been aware of this information at the time we would not have supported the policies that so negatively impacted on the people of this country and those who were stuck overseas and could not get home.
        In light of this new information we would like to acknowledge that these policies were wrong and in future, we will not be supporting similar policies if another similar situation arises.”
        
        It’s not even an apology, though one is surely needed. I’m not a comms person, one of National’s people could surely write something that touches on the key points without them harming their potential voter base?
        
        So no, I don’t blame National for the policies implemented by Labour, I do blame them for refusing to now acknowledge that this was all wrong and they refuse to admit the truth that is staring them straight in the face.
        
        I haven’t decided what to do. I am not encouraging anyone to vote for anyone. I’m simply pointing out that the first person to speak this really simple truth, has the potential to pick up tens of thousands of votes.
        
        My “rational or counter idea” is the same as I’ve said repeatedly here. Acknowledge what was done wrong and National/Act get all of the votes they could possibly need to win the election in a landslide.
        Labour won’t ever back down on what they caused. National didn’t cause it, but they supported it.
        If they miss this opportunity and let Peters or someone else pick it up, it will be the biggest own goal in politics here for some time.
        
        Please don’t ask me to explain again, I don’t think I can be any clearer than I have been.
        
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        June 2, 2023 4:00pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Libeterian. Once again what are you talking about?
        
        Despite months of asking Luxon abusing ACT supporters the policies they support and the chances for the long term implementation of those policies, I have yet to receive a reply.
        
        Perhaps you could meet the challenge?
        
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        June 2, 2023 4:04pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Clan. I already provided an explanation for Nationals Stance. I already provided sympathy and a solution to your cause.
        
        You could pledge money towards a private prosecution of Adern or donate to a national party lobby group with similar sentiments.
        
        Other than that I’m perplexed as to how you think an apology by national for a labour action will help Surely you should save your outrage for Hipkins and his pals.
        
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        June 2, 2023 4:40pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Ps clan. Requesting a covid apology from Luxon suggests you blame him for the covid mess.
        
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        June 2, 2023 5:24pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        You clearly aren’t paying any attention whatsoever to what I’ve repeatedly said. I NEVER asked for an apology from Luxon or National. I can’t make it any clearer, I asked for an acknowledgment that what was done was wrong. ACKNOWLEDGMENT.
        
        It’s apparent you want to keep muddying the waters. That’s your call. We’ll see what happens at the election. Whatever it is, it will be based on the actions and words of the political parties and the strategies they use.
        Don’t blame the voters if National/Act don’t get the strategy right. This should be the easiest election to win for many, many years. It should be a demolition job. If National/Act fail to do so, it’s on them. Nobody else.
        
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        June 3, 2023 8:43am
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Aren’t you the “but we have food at home guy”?
      
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      June 2, 2023 12:55pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        What are you talking about?
        
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        June 2, 2023 1:33pm
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Mark – when someone points to ACT policies that they like you say “but National have that same policy” when in fact National’s policy is quite different and not actually what we want.
        
        It’s like when a kid asks their Mum for McDonalds and she says “But we have food at home” and that food is mince on toast.
        
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        June 2, 2023 2:36pm
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Mark (re your above, misplaced reply), we have been down this road already.
        Also, I haven’t abused Luxon, I just prefer ACT (and note that none of ACT’s MPs have stuffed up whilst multiple National MPs have) and trust ACT’s 11-20 potential list MPs over National’s 40-50.
        I prefer most of ACT’s policies. I get that I am a minority but that doesn’t mean I have an obligation to through my vote to National to give your guys more power.
        
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        June 2, 2023 4:31pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Libeterian. Aren’t we on this mess because (predominantly female) voters thought that liking Adern was all they needed to give her their vote?
        
        We wouldn’t want to fall into that trap again would we?
        
        What ACT policies do you support and what are the chances for the long term implementation of those policies?
        
        How can act mps stir up anything when the only act mp we hear from is Seymour?
        
        You might want to reflect on the reasons why act mps are kept away from the media.
        
        A successful government requires many talented mps to implement enduring policies.
        
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        June 2, 2023 4:54pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        PS. I gave act my party vote at the last election.
        
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        June 2, 2023 4:55pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Utter bullshit, they are totally opposed to everything Labour does, 3 waters gone, co governances in public services gone, Māori health authority gone, all Labours new taxes all gone, making bureaucrats do their job instead of fiddling about with pathetic issues, teaching history that is made up, and gender bullshit, all gone but maths science snd English will be a big go.
    
    How about tell us just one thing they are keeping of Labours, because you are speaking utter 💩
    
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    June 2, 2023 3:45pm
- Bevan
  
  Who’s Matt Long and what makes his opinion relevant?
  
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  June 2, 2023 10:07am
  - Matt Long
    
    I don’t know, I don’t know who the followers Mr Hanley references are either.
    I don’t know why he would distort one of my posts to give it the opposite meaning.
    It’s quite bizarre.
    
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    June 2, 2023 10:56am
- Matt Long
  
  Less INcompetence, please read more carefully, and find another obsession.
  
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  June 2, 2023 10:24am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Mark Hanley – G’day. You could vote Matt King. According to some Kiwiblog bros, he is going to win Northland and bring 20 MPs with him. Go figure.
  
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  June 2, 2023 10:34am
  - plc
    
    Is that that G the Giant fulla?
    
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    June 2, 2023 11:03am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nah. Cullen is a bit of a troll and a bit of fun.
      She likes sarc/satire. So do I!
      
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      June 2, 2023 3:07pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Boooo, um pretty sure he is saying G’day , short of or gidday
      
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      June 2, 2023 3:48pm
- Matt Long
  
  I have previously stated I will not vote for any of the parties that refused to met with people harmed by Jacinda’s mandates.
  My vote is currently undecided, but for those who like the current parties my preference would be ACT, then National.
  I’m waiting to see if the freedom parties can get their act together, it’s not looking hopeful.
  
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  June 2, 2023 10:43am
  - leoj
    
    Seymour has no issue with the harm that the vaccine has caused. In fact, he is in complete denial re excess deaths.
    
    Seymour is also chicken-shit regarding his stance re talking to the protestors. There were hundreds of police on the grounds but he was too scared to commandeer six of of them and go into the crowd.
    
    Just another gutless politician.
    
    All 120 MPs hid behind the curtains and 119 of them lined up behind Jacinda’s skirt.
    
    Looks to me like you have no one to vote for except Winston. If you do that, you really are scraping the barrel after what he did to the country in 2017.
    
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    June 2, 2023 10:56am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      leoj – all of what you say is correct, isn’t that a tragic indictment of the 121 parasites currently inhabiting our parliament?
      
      Not one of them will acknowledge that the responses to covid were an unmitigated disaster.
      
      The vast majority of people either now fully understand this, or are in various stages of waking up to this unpalatable reality.
      
      That our government was at best, grossly incompetent, at worst, deliberately forced the majority of the population into partaking in a dangerous medical experiment, stripped away human rights, destroyed lives and businesses and relationships, destroyed the economy, and ostracised and othered a substantial number of citizens in an act of institutional medical apartheid.
      
      All of this for what is now provably a relatively standard, seasonal respiratory illness. I may have finally caught the lergy a couple of weeks ago. I will never test because they are totally unreliable, but had some symptoms. Others who I had been with and who did test had a positive.
      Anyway, I resolved it within ten days, I followed the FLCCC protocol for treatment of covid which included ivermectin, vitamin C, vitamin D, Quercetin and zinc.
      I’m not a doctor, so I don’t give medical advice. But I got through this with no more problems than any other winter bug.
      
      https://covid19criticalcare.com/protocol/i-care-early-covid-treatment/
      
      Anyway, sadly the opposition fully supported this and refuse to acknowledge that anything was done wrong. To date, the only thing they say is that they would have done the same things more efficiently.
      
      If Winston addresses this gaping hole in election strategy of all the other main parties, I guarantee he will get over the 5% threshold. This will piss off a lot of National/Act supporters, but they only have their own parties to blame.
      
      They can fill this hole in strategy with a single paragraph issued publicly, acknowledging the terrible harm and abuses that occurred in this country during this time.
      To date they all prefer to bury their heads in the sand.
      
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      June 2, 2023 11:29am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        If Matt Long’s political opinion is focussed solely on politicians who refused to meet protestors, why haven’t we seen equal amounts of unsubstantiated personal abuse of Adern and Hipkins from Matt Long.
        
        Matt Long should be the most open and transperant Kiwi blogger ever by telling us who he really supports.
        
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        June 2, 2023 1:44pm
      - Matt Long
        
        I support freedom and free enterprise, my nearest party is a blend of New Conservative and Matt King’s party, but both are hell bent on not getting into Parliament.
        I post criticism of MPs in response to their statements I disagree with, for example ” this cyclone was caused by climate change.”
        I regularly criticise all Regressives, and Labour’s failings are so apparent criticising them is like continually saying the sky is blue.
        You notice similarities between my criticism of National’s socialist leaning and Labour supporters criticisms of National? Riiight because Labour supporters are always say National is too like Labour, that’s their thing, on to it there, brilliant.
        
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        June 2, 2023 5:37pm
      - Matt Long
        
        And Mark did you deliberately distort my statement from yesterday that National were less incompetent than Labour? Or was it simply a lack of care?
        Either way an honorable person would apologise.
        
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        June 2, 2023 5:55pm
    - stiff cheese
      
      Ordinarily, Winston would be disqualified for empowering the Worst Govt in living memory. But I have to give some of the blame to Bill English who would have been in a position to deal with Peters if not for that grudge he carried on for years. If Bolger was able to stitch up a deal with late night whisky drinking sessions then that was the way to do it. FFS English came first in that election… then he let the 2nd and 3rd placegetters gang up against him!
      
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      June 2, 2023 12:20pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Bugger off, the grudge snd hatred was Peters only, anyone trying to make excuses for wating their vote yet again gift Peters is a fool
        
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        June 2, 2023 3:52pm
  - RightNow
    
    Exactly my thoughts.
    I don’t see Democracy NZ getting any MPs unfortunately and I don’t want to waste my vote, but I will not vote for National or ACT because they would have done just what Labour did.
    So… expect Winston to be king maker.
    To me nothing is more significant in recent history than the vaccine mandate and any party who would do it again is a danger to NZ
    
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    June 2, 2023 12:23pm
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Didn’t Adern get a second term because voters focussed on a single issue? I hope none of those moronic voters required medical attention or hoped to buy their first house post the election.
      
      Voting for a Charlatan in a single issue (how many people voted for Winston’s promise to remove the Maori seats and got Adern as PM instead?) Is lunacy,
      
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      June 2, 2023 1:30pm
    - mawm
      
      RightNow – It is so glaringly significant, as USSC Justice Gorsuch said about the covid responses being “the greatest intrusions on civil liberties in the peacetime history of this country”, that it should trigger a response to protect our civil liberties from future governments. I would certainly have expected both National and ACT to be championing them…..unless they want those powers for future control of the very people whom they represent. I literally have no faith in either of them now and, despite what some say that we should move on, this is something that will not go away because so many suffered in so many ways because of the lies and over the top response.
      
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      June 2, 2023 1:55pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      That is a terrible idea. Winston is literally why we are where we are. Any politician who comes out against the mandates etc will lose far more votes than they will gain from you voting for them. That’s just how politics works.
      
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      June 2, 2023 2:42pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        @Libertarians – why would anyone lose votes for stating the bloody obvious????
        
        Fact – the vaccines don’t stop transmission or infection, what is the point of mandating someone out of a job when their actions (or inaction) will make zero difference to the outcomes?
        
        Even if someone believes the fantasy that the vaccines reduce symptoms or likelihood of hospitalisation, then as long as they are vaccinated they are protected apparently?
        
        Just like with the idiotic masks.
        
        What is it about this that people can’t seem to grasp?
        
        This is the truth. Something that has been sadly lacking in this country for the last few years. If National/Act were to be first to speak it, do you really think it will lose them votes?
        If it does, I’ll be selling up and getting out of this place asap. I don’t want to live among people who are that stupid.
        
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        June 2, 2023 4:13pm
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Clan – you realise Labour won an outright majority at the last election despite their actions being bullshit, based solely on the lie that National couldn’t be trusted right?
        We aren’t talking about voters on the right, we’re talking specifically about those central voters who actually decide elections. And yes, ACT’s actions could drive voters from National (and the media would make sure of it).
        
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        June 2, 2023 4:24pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Nats would not have completely shut the country down, they would also not have forced kids out of school for so long
      
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      June 2, 2023 3:54pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I have said for some time none of those parties will make parliament, King will not win Northland, and his party will drain 1% from the centre
    
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    June 2, 2023 3:50pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      And what is the reason they will ‘drain 1% from the centre’? What policy do they have that is causing people to do that? Covid response.
      
      First main party to admit this will get those votes.
      It is very, very simple. It is intransigence by National and Act that is causing the problem.
      
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      June 3, 2023 8:48am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  To be fair, the national party track record is to implement stupid labour polices – with better competence!
  
  The nats historically have low insights into strategy, but are stronger at managerialism and delivery.
  
  For example WFF. Labour introduced it to sabotage the Nats, and the Nats turned into an “entitlement” and implemented it better….
  
  If we are not careful the Nats will do exactly the same with Net Zero, 3 waters and Fair Pay agreements.
  
  Here’s hoping they simply repeal all government policy decisions since 2017.
  
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  June 2, 2023 6:00pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

There’s a Dawn karakia at Loafers Lodge this am, with a memorial service at St Paul’s Anglican cathedral to follow.

All very carey-sharey, but as far as I know, none of the dead men identified as Maori & it’s unclear whether any were regular church attendees.

So how is it that the Maoris & the Anglicans have seized centre stage? Do we have a de facto state religion or two that get to appropriate other people’s tragedies? What would be the reaction if the Samoans and the Catholics announced that they wanted to be selected? The Sikhs and the Mormons?

Perhaps there should be a roster.
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June 2, 2023 8:00am
- Nukuleka
  
  I know nothing of the St Paul’s service but I will bet my bottom dollar that it is not some sort of exclusive Anglican event but that worshipers and clergy from other denominations will have been invited and will be included. Probably a range of ethnicities and both genders as well.
  
  Sad that some folk are relentlessly negative.
  
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  June 2, 2023 8:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Both genders? What about the other 51 genders?
    
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    June 2, 2023 8:52am
    - Cassandra
      
      I think Never is right. Anglicans do not have a monopoly. It would have nice if the civic service had been all faiths. As for the Dawn thing, if Maoris want to do that then good on them but please don’t make too much noise.
      
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      June 2, 2023 9:28am
    - leoj
      
      Men are from Mars, women are from Venus.
      
      All the other genders are from Uranus.
      
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      June 2, 2023 10:57am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Must check. Photo of a sample
        
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        June 2, 2023 6:00pm
  - Paulus
    
    And the Mayor will attend, and I suspect Chippy will be along for the photoshoot as he is desperate.
    
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    June 2, 2023 11:06am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    St Pauls was deconsecrated years ago, its basically a venue now… Its also small enough so the delegation of professional care bears, ghouls and the ladies who lunch, won’t rattle too much.
    
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    June 2, 2023 6:01pm
    - Mike
      
      You are thinking of Old St Paul’s in Mulgrave Street. The Wellington Cathedral of St Paul’s is one block away, in Molesworth Street.
      
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      June 2, 2023 6:30pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  All part of the Coup. Any opportunity to keep pushing the Maori wheelbarrow. People must be taught the Maori way, because their way is the only way.
  Democracy gone and rules by Elite Maori. Tyranny.
  http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
  
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  June 2, 2023 8:51am
- Scott
  
  There is the great hope in Christ that all who believe will inherit eternal life. This is no small comfort when facing grievous loss such as at the Loafers Lodge fire. My understanding is that at least one pastor was involved with the people at the lodge and he provided pastoral care. He was interviewed on TV after the fire.
  
  I would also say that Christianity is the religion of New Zealand. The first sermon was preached on Christmas Day 1814 by Samuel Marsden, “Behold I bring you good news of great joy”. The Maori people over the next several decades converted to Christianity. Generally the religion on most marae’s is Christian.
  
  We do note the Anglicans tend to take first place in municipal and state occasions. I would prefer the Baptists being given prominence. But you can’t have everything. 🙂
  
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  June 2, 2023 9:37am
- Ehlana
  
  I believe the local Anglican church did have outreach that engaged with the LL community. The cathedral is probably hosting the memorial because it is a large space which can accommodate both those directly affected and others, like first responders, the busker’s fans and people who want to remember or give support.
  
  I don’t know whether protocols for Catholics, Mormons or Sikhs would allow for interfaith services in their places of worship, but the Anglicans have done that before, so presumably their rules do.
  
  When it comes to supporting the community, Christian churches generally, as well as the Sikh community and maraes do have a record of being there for others in their time of need, which is probably why you are hearing of them doing so now.
  
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  June 2, 2023 9:58am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    I note the caring families of the “loved ones” who died in the fire, clearly didn’t give a shit about them when the poor bastards were still alive.
    
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    June 2, 2023 6:02pm
    - Mike
      
      Did you know any of the victims, or anything about their families?
      
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      June 2, 2023 6:32pm
David Garrett

Good morning to my fellow commenters from the Kingdom of Tonga, where it is a balmy 24 degrees, and humidity no worse than Auckland.
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June 2, 2023 8:03am
- Nukuleka
  
  Morning, David. Winter in Tonga has always been my favourite season. A blanket required at nights, crisp early dewy mornings and perfect sunny days. Enjoy.
  
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  June 2, 2023 8:08am
  - David Garrett
    
    Nuku: I agree…that lovely feeling of having a blanket over you…only trouble right now is one of the judges here likes the aircon in his court so effing cold you could hang meat in there!
    
    As of course you know, the Kingdom is far from pleasant in the middle of summer…I don’t plan to be here then
    
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    June 2, 2023 8:14am
    - Biscuit
      
      I feels for ya, David.
      
      At Boarding School in Singapore the outdoors temps were often 90 o F.
      
      You just LOVED it when you moved indoors and the Air Conditioning kicked in to reduce that to 70 o F.
      
      But…
      
      For the first five minutes or so, your sexy knees, in school shorts, would have goosebumps of a size you wouldn’t BELIEVE!
      
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      June 2, 2023 8:28am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Good morning. And it’s a brilliant June morning in Wellington too: calm, sunny, blue skies, and warm enough to go out in a t-shirt. 24 degrees is a bit too much for me.
  
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  June 2, 2023 8:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Lucky you DG. Auckland is shit this morning.
  Had rain about 5am, woke me up.
  Enjoy Tonga.
  
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  June 2, 2023 8:57am
- Random T Person
  
  Hey David how is the internet in Tonga? I’m something of a remote worker, so long as I have internet I could be anywhere…
  
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  June 2, 2023 9:31am
  - David Garrett
    
    Random: Actually the internet here is very good…rather than have an intranet – or whatever it’s called – my staff and I communicate by email. They generally get them within a minute or two of my sending them.
    
    I probably use the net much less than others, but if I need to search a legal site it is no different from home…in the middle of the work day it can be a tad slow. In the 8 months I have been up here it’s probably dropped out half a dozen times, normally for less than a minute.
    
    So as I say, just as good or better than I get in Kaukapakapa.
    
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    June 2, 2023 11:48am
- rjay
  
  Not too shabby here in Brisbane. Expecting mid 20s today.
  
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  June 2, 2023 9:56am
  - mogg
    
    24C with sea breeze here on the Gold Coast.
    8000 steps completed then into ‘The Sands’ for a 15$ counter lunch of steak chips and salad with a cold Toohey’s new to wash it down.
    
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    June 2, 2023 12:53pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Tooheys. ‘Give me a beer or I’ll drop you ya bastard’
      Why do I remember that, and who was it?
      
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      June 2, 2023 4:13pm
      - mogg
        
        Sounds like something out of ‘Priscilla Queen of the desert’
        
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        June 2, 2023 5:38pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Enjoy DG. I hope the people of Tonga, royal subjetcs of Queen Jacinda are taking care of you very well.
  
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  June 2, 2023 10:36am
  - David Garrett
    
    Sir Cullen: wrong monarch mate…Queen Jacinda never had any influence up here…King Tupou VI is the monarch to whom we owe allegiance…or at least who Tongans owe allegiance to…I am just a visitor with a business visa.
    
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    June 2, 2023 11:49am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Do you have to conduct any legal business in Tongan?
      
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      June 2, 2023 1:01pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Mags: Yes…litigants here can give their evidence in either Tongan or English. Frequently – as happened in the trial I have just finished – the litigant understands English perfectly well…but choosing to be cross examined in Tongan means she has extra time to think while my question is translated into Tongan. The witness often “forgets” that she supposedly can’t speak English and answers immediately!
        
        The woman in this trial couldn’t lie straight in bed…long rambling – usually totally irrelevant – answers to the simplest Yes or No questions. Hopefully the judge – an Englishman – sees her for the inveterate liar that she is.
        
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        June 2, 2023 2:20pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        DG. I guess they don’t have ‘Tonglish’ like the Manglish we have here.
        
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        June 2, 2023 4:15pm
- RightNow
  
  That’s rough David, hope the weather improves soon.
  
  From Right Now in Bali, 29 degrees 😆
  
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  June 2, 2023 2:12pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  20.8 degrees in Dunedin June 1
  
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  June 2, 2023 3:57pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Does our Prime Minister believe his own spin?

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/oliver-hartwich-fact-checking-government-claims
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June 2, 2023 8:04am
- peterwn
  
  When I first started work I got a memo from the District Manager signed pp by some functionary LB. I discussed the memo with my boss. He said ‘the biggest problem with LB is he believes his own bulls**t’. Same with Chris H when he described what the people of NZ ‘deserved’.
  
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  June 2, 2023 8:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The claim of lifting incomes is a part lie. He repeats what Robertson told him.
  Super/Pension went up? He is an indian giver. What the increase was is the winter energy payment. It stops Oct 1st.
  It is almost lie a Jaspinda lie by omission.
  
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  June 2, 2023 9:07am
BarryB

The word “rainbow” is a much abused word. It seems most people don’t know that in at least one context it is used to denote the first born AFTER a mother has suffered the loss of a baby at birth or very soon before – ie: stillborn or miscarriage. The next baby that lives is called a Rainbow baby.
You can find out more at https://www.google.com/search?q=rainbow+babies&rlz=1C1GEWG_enNZ970NZ970&oq=rainbow+babies&aqs=chrome..69i57.4891j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

To use the word to describe the Trans community is a fairly high level insult to mothers and women in general. And there is no reason for it. There is already the word Trans and the initialism LGBTQetc

There are many groups around the world that support especially mothers who have lost a
Full term (or near full term) baby. In NZ there is
https://www.huggablehearts.co.nz/info–resources.html#:~:text=Sands%20NZ%20www.sands.org,age%2C%20and%20under%20any%20circumstances.
And
SANDS – an international group with branches around the world including NZ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sands_(charity)#:~:text=The%20Stillbirth%20and%20Neonatal%20Death,and%20is%20a%20registered%20charity.
And they have a facebook page – https://www.facebook.com/SandsNewZealand/

I communicated this information to the NZ Police – and their use of Rainbow to refer to Trans and LGBTQetc people. Why they think they need THREE names to refer to Trans people I don’t know. They claim they are only being inclusive but they haven’t yet answered why they need 3 names and they don’t include all the other groups in society to make sure they are inclusive – such as physically impaired and mentally impaired and left handed people and red haired people etc, etc. Surely by not including them they are being a bit exclusive……..

I think Kiwiblog should be above this groveling to the Trans community and simply use a fully inclusive term such as TRANS, but not three names.

I have a daughter-in-law who lost a child at birth and she gets bloody furious every time she hears rainbow being to refer to trans. I wont go on and describe what she thinks should be done to them……
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June 2, 2023 8:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I think I am a Rainbow Baby. My Mother miscarried at six months and I became the first born. Oh, and I am not queer!
  
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  June 2, 2023 9:10am
- Ehlana
  
  Rainbow is actually inappropriate as rainbows are symbols for many people of many things. I hadn’t heard of rainbow babies before, but having lost a much-loved pet, I am familiar with the rainbow bridge.
  Rainbows also have religious signficance – I suspect in every culture that ever saw one. In the Jewish and Christian (possibly also, therefore, Muslim) heritage, the rainbow represents God’s protection and covenant with humankind.
  
  Presumably its adoption by the gay and lesbian community, I think it was originally, was meant to signify inclusion of people of all stripes. Given the exclusivity of trans rights activists, it seems no longer appropriate.
  
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  June 2, 2023 10:52am
artemisia

Random impertinent question –

Is New Zealand a failed state yet?
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June 2, 2023 8:06am
- Parnell Gun Club
  
  I think we’re clinging on to banana republic status but only just. The signs are there though.
  
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  June 2, 2023 8:31am
- pdm
  
  Marginal Arty but Labour, Greens and Maori Party are working (hard – maybe not) to get it there.
  
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  June 2, 2023 8:44am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  2017 we became a failed state. It took about 2 months before the signs appeared.
  “Let’s do this” has not been done. “Let’s do this” has not even started.
  
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  June 2, 2023 9:25am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    National’s message should be: “let’s undo this”.
    
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    June 2, 2023 10:27am
    - artemisia
      
      Or “Don’t just stand there, undo something”.
      
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      June 2, 2023 10:30am
- Burtland
  
  Fragile State Index
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Fragile_States_Index
  
  In 2022 we were one of the most stable in the world – more stable than Switzerland and Australia. The sheeple are clearly happy with the status quo 🤣
  
  There are three groupings with twelve indicators.
  
  Social indicators
  Demographic pressures
  Refugees or internally displaced persons
  Group grievance
  Human flight and brain drain
  
  Economic indicators
  Uneven economic development
  Poverty and economic decline
  
  Political and military indicators
  State legitimacy
  Public services
  Human rights and rule of law
  Security apparatus
  Factionalized elites
  External intervention
  
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  June 2, 2023 10:03am
Maggie Pie

$TUFF’s new CEO wastes no time applying for additional government funding….

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1664143507886592000
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June 2, 2023 8:08am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Never go full retard! – Kirk Lazarus.
  
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  June 2, 2023 8:10am
- pdm
  
  How would one know Maggie – it is almost all incomprehensible.
  
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  June 2, 2023 8:12am
- G152
  
  I loved how the Auckland mayor shut the media down and out.
  And the fake upset media faces on the ‘news’ was almost worth having to change channels.
  Saved having to watch the anti right spin on the 6pm propoganda hour
  
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  June 2, 2023 8:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Media should be by invitation only.
    Fake News is not invited.
    
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    June 2, 2023 9:30am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    Totally agree. The whining from Stuffed was hilarious and glorious all at once, bless em.
    
    Closely followed by the “stern” reprimand from some press freedom knob. Where was he when St Jacinda was only selecting Tova for questions? The hypocrisy is enormous.
    
    Well done Mayor Brown.
    
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    June 2, 2023 9:55am
  - Nickc2
    
    I’d venture to say the Herald reporter/journalist had his/her column written before attempting to attend the meeting.
    Good on ya Mayor Brown!
    The bitter and twisted faux reporters/journalists and some councilors are on a crusade to crucify the Mayor and install their Labour/Green Puppet Efeso Collins by any means.
    
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    June 2, 2023 10:26am
- Tricati
  
  I do wonder who are Stuff’s financial backers, other than the tax payer.
  With their utter bias, and anti National sentiment seen daily, an objective financier would be asking some difficult questions. But no, so seems they have some heavy ‘left’ leaning backers that remain hidden.
  
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  June 2, 2023 8:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    George Soros.//
    
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    June 2, 2023 9:31am
  - Burtland
    
    media arm of the silent coup ?
    
    their public apology might be a good indication of who pulls the strings
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/our-truth/300165985/stuffs-apology-to-mori–our-truth-t-mtou-pono
    
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    June 2, 2023 10:21am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Bwahahaha! I loved the comments, especially the ‘durka durka’ reference to this clip from ‘Team America World Police’.
  
  Gary dresses up as an Arab terrorist to infiltrated one of their meetings. He get’s challenged at the door.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK0Vo-rK1dM
  
  Funny, funny movie.
  
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  June 2, 2023 8:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I think my head hurts now.
    
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    June 2, 2023 9:34am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Derka derka was my name on Whale Oil, and still is for when I occasionally visit BFD.
    Great film, and the guys from South Park are very important culturally (alongside Dave Chapelle and Rickey Gervais) in being able to mock the untouchable topics of the present day.
    
    “Derka derka Muhammed Jihad. Derka derka”.
    
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    June 2, 2023 1:10pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Do you have that in English? It means nothing atm
  
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  June 2, 2023 9:28am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    When I see a few sentences in Te Reo, I assume I am not the intended audience, so I don’t bother with finding out what is being written….. (and same with Chinese, Arabic, French, Urdu, etc).
    
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    June 2, 2023 10:18am
    - Roberta
      
      I think that is what they are counting on Maggy, most Kiwi’s switching off at the merest Te Blah Blah Blah, and not understanding that their vote is now worth a fraction of what it was. Or understanding when it is too late…
      
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      June 2, 2023 8:49pm
  - Burtland
    
    “There may be some serious hikers who plan triple-sky walks, while others may be more attracted to single-sky trails and experiences.”
    
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    June 2, 2023 10:27am
Hugh Jarse

Looks like Air Aotearoa is now finding out that virtual signalling over combustible cups will be called out if it’s not perfect enough for the green movement. The more woke you go the more you will have to go to satisfy the extremists.
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June 2, 2023 8:10am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Said often during the peak of covid – “you can’t comply your way out of tyranny” – that applies in general to any system trying to impose terrible outcomes on people.
  
  The Green movement just one more example of tyranny being imposed.
  
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  June 2, 2023 8:52am
rouppe

Story in the Herald about the Loafers Lodge fire.

A mayoral relief fund set up after the fire has raised $346,000 to help those who have been affected.

The Wellington City Mission reported this morning $71,300 has been distributed: $47,500 in cash, $2723 has gone towards accommodation, $2390 has been spent on medical and dental services, $2587 on whiteware, and $11,198 on flights for whānau.

This fund was supposed to be for helping the residents get back into some accommodation.

Apart from the cash, which really could end up anywhere, the money was mostly spent on flights for other people, only $5k on things to help residents live somewhere.

What the actual…
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June 2, 2023 8:10am
- Mike
  
  If you can do a better job than the city mission, I am sure people would welcome your help.
  
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  June 2, 2023 9:41am
  - leoj
    
    [Stick to the topic. mod.]
    
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    June 2, 2023 11:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  $11,198 on flights for whanau?
  I though a relief fund would be for re-accomodation of those with nowhere to go.
  Where did I go wrong?
  
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  June 2, 2023 10:23am
- mogg
  
  Mick the Lambton Quay juggler was one of the named dead.
  
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  June 2, 2023 12:56pm
ClanMcleod

Peer reviewed study now proves that the more jabs you have, the more prone you are to getting covid.

https://twitter.com/HopeRising19/status/1664013334734163969?s=20

Another conspiracy theory bites the dust.

Someone let David Seymour know.
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June 2, 2023 8:10am
- Maggie Pie
  
  And this…probably the most important vid you’ll watch this year!
  
  ‘Millions were killed by Covid-19….FOR PROFIT’.
  
  https://twitter.com/saggiori/status/1660093879566102528
  
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  June 2, 2023 8:26am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    The fraudulent covid response has now been exposed beyond doubt.
    
    Now we must turn out attention to…
    
    What do we do to hold the NZ labour hierarchy Ashley Bloomfield to account and to ensure the covid fraud doesn’t repeat next flu season.
    
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    June 2, 2023 9:55am
    - mawm
      
      Now we must turn out attention to… the collaborators.
      
      There fixed it for you!
      
      The WHO wants to repeat it “on steroids” if we let them. It is time for Luxon and Seymour to put on their big boys pants, apologise and keep us out of the clutches of the communists at the WHO.
      
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      June 2, 2023 2:09pm
- cmm
  
  The problem with many of these studies is selection bias. We can’t really tell what the relationship is:
  * Do people more prone to sickness get more jabs (ie. they get more jabs because they feel more vulnerable/are pressured more into getting them)
  -or-
  * Does having more jabs cause people to become more likely to get sick.
  
  We will probably never know.
  
  But what we do know is that it doesn’t do its primary job.
  
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  June 2, 2023 8:36am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    cmm – interesting thoughts. Have a read of the post and decide for yourself.
    
    Personally I believe the word of eminently qualified experts I follow who were saying a year or more ago, that the ‘vaccines’ would negatively impact the innate immune system. It appears to be happening.
    It would be one of the reasons for increased all cause mortality. Not as a direct result of the jab itself, but because of damage done to the immune system and reduced ability to deal with disease and other infections.
    
    Eventually the truth will be unstoppable.
    
    As you say though, the key point is that the jabs are NOT effective. Fact. Nor are they safe. Fact.
    
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    June 2, 2023 9:10am
    - cmm
      
      Clan
      
      I don’t doubt the medical analysis which makes sense to me and seems to be in step with everything that was known about vaccines until very recent changes to the definition of vaccine etc.
      
      All I am saying is that the statistical validity of studies like these are a bit sketchy.
      
      Statistics is a set of tools. If you don’t use them properly then you get sketchy results. The conclusions might be correct, but the statistics behind them are flawed.
      
      That said, nothing is more dodgy that the Covid statistics reporting we’ve seen in NZ and elsewhere regarding the number of cases, hospitalisations and deaths etc. All complete bullshit.
      
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      June 2, 2023 12:39pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        cmm – it’s a peer reviewed study. By an organisation that required vaccination from all their staff. Why would they publish such damning statistics if they weren’t confident of them.
        
        If you’ve read it and have criticism of any of it, please let me know what it is. Or if you’ve read others who have criticised it, send me the links.
        
        Cheers.
        
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        June 2, 2023 4:16pm
  - mawm
    
    cmm – As a counter to your questioning selection bias Ed Dowd has some interesting stats. He posits that the members of group life insurances are among the healthiest groups because they go to work every day. He says that the group life insurance companies have seen massive pay outs. He has also been looking as the US stats for days off work, again amongst the assumed to be healthiest, and has come up with a massive increase in such. How many in the workforce were mandated vaccines?
    
    He’s an interesting guy to listen to and there are many yoo-choobe interviews of him.
    
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    June 2, 2023 2:23pm
- Grunter
  
  ClanMcLeod – I agree with you wholeheartedly, Seymour does need to acknowledge what has happened with the jab scams. But more importantly, Hipkins needs to be publically interrogated. He is the true villain that has personally caused more death and harm than any other NZer I can think of throughout our history. I’m open to other suggestions as to someone that has personally led a calculated program that has resulted in 1000’s of “unexplained” deaths in NZ?? And therein lies the reason why NO ONE wants to talk about this – it is simply too horrible to admit what is happening right now across the developed (jabbed) world.
  
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  June 2, 2023 9:29am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Grunter – I agree with you re Hipkins, but primarily Bloomfield, he was DG of Health and the medical person who oversaw the majority of this.
    Hipkins was the politician. Ardern clearly as the overall boss gets to have the buck stop with her.
    
    Then of course there is Michael Baker, another medical “expert” who blatantly lied on live radio and was never held to account for it, not even by opposition parties. He was apparently permitted to lie to the public without any consequences. But of course, we’ve had 3 years of that so it is a common thing now.
    
    The list of liars and propagandists who enabled this disaster is quite long. But we won’t get to interrogate anyone, let alone charge them, until we get an acknowledgment that every policy implemented caused far more harm than good.
    
    Currently every single politician, health ‘expert’ and media shill are still in full on denial mode. There are cracks coming, the tide will turn and the truth will come out. Then hopefully there will be accountability.
    
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    June 2, 2023 10:59am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Im with you on this too Clan.
      Now accountability.
      
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      June 2, 2023 1:12pm
- Its only I
  
  Seymour the Milky vax kid.
  
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  June 2, 2023 9:44am
- leoj
  
  Seymour is in complete denial.
  
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  June 2, 2023 11:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I put that Comment/video by Sesh on Facebook.
  Let’s see how long it lasts and how long I will be in jail!
  
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  June 2, 2023 4:47pm
rouppe

Just reflecting on the furore over the prescription charges.

Ayesha Verrall is saying that this impacts on women’s “reproductive rights”.

So, women are complaining about having to pay $5 for a months contraception. Now if they were truly concerned about safe sex and sexual health, they’d be insisting the man wear a condom.

Condoms cost varying amounts but cheapest at the online Countdown store is about $20 for 20 condoms, and when it comes to randy young people, having sex 20 times a month may well be pretty conservative. But the point is, if $5 is an untenable amount to pay for women’s reproductive rights, isn’t $20 a disgraceful amount for mens reproductive rights?
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June 2, 2023 8:12am
- dubya
  
  Note, a $5/free prescription will also get you 144 condoms, be you male, female, or other.
  
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  June 2, 2023 8:40am
  - cmm
    
    Gross!
    
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    June 2, 2023 12:42pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      That’ll go over the head of young folk, these days.
      
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      June 2, 2023 1:03pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Not sure if that was a graphic reference to coitus interuptus, Maggy, but that can work too.
        
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        June 2, 2023 1:13pm
- cmm
  
  It’s the same as period poverdee.
  $5 a month will get a period-enabled person all the tampons they need. We are supposed to believe that this $5 a month (16 cents a day) stands between young women and going to school etc when they seem to be able to afford $5 a day for crisps and fizzies.
  
  But testosterone-enabled people need, on average, an extra 500 calories of food a day. That’s $1 to $5 per day depending on how you get your calories. $30 to $150 a month.
  
  Yet nobody is talking about extra food subsidies for boys.
  
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  June 2, 2023 8:41am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    That free bleeding movement didn’t really take off, did it?
    
    https://helloclue.com/articles/culture/whats-all-fuss-about-free-bleeding-why-does-it-matter
    
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    June 2, 2023 8:55am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Ayesha Verrall is saying that this impacts on women’s “reproductive rights”.
  
  Labour has been in power for 5.5 years…
  So why have “Women’s reproductive rights” suddenly become an issue for them?
  
  Crikey, some women could have been sprogging out their 3rd baby within 5.5 years.
  
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  June 2, 2023 8:48am
- kowtow
  
  Megan Woods and her media pardy agents banging on about wimmin’s rights and Hollyweird Hyped Handmaid shite.
  
  When her boss can’t /won’t define what a wimmin is.
  
  Where was Woods and the outraged media wimmin and their Handmaids then .
  
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  June 2, 2023 8:53am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    They know who their key demographic is: woman aged 20-60, especially White woman. The Jacinda worshippers who cooed over her in 2017 and then handed total power to her in 2020 to take care of all us.
    
    Just like mummy would.
    
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    June 2, 2023 10:54am
    - rouppe
      
      Oh, don’t get me started…
      
      Am connected to a person on Facebook. She posted the other day, linking to the Herald thing on prescription charges for contraceptives, about how she would never have voted for Luxon anyway, but that that story just reinforces that decision.
      
      Comments follow, including from a trans woman I’ve actually worked with for a wee while, who made some comment about how Luxon would want to use the money for “hair products”.
      
      Another example of someone who’s all over inclusivity and diversity, but when it comes to someone that she doesn’t agree with or like, that all gets forgotten, and personal comments about appearance are fair game.
      
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      June 2, 2023 11:06am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Go look at that tweet, look at the comments, they were virtually all anti Woods snd Labour snd their nastiness snd hypocrisy
    
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    June 2, 2023 4:04pm
- david
  
  Don’t forget that the $5 covers 3 months of prescriptions. Even if only one month is initially provided, the repeats are “free”. So the impact is now only ONE THIRD of the pitiful cost that is being shrieked about.
  I despair for the nation with this amount of wailing and beating of chests over such a small issue.
  
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  June 2, 2023 10:59am
  - Ghost
    
    Depends what the prescription is, some medicines that are covered with funding, the funding does not include repeats. I get one that is $5 for the first prescription $15 for each repeat. I didn’t my figures for this year, I’m looking at over $1000 for prescriptions this year
    
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    June 2, 2023 11:08am
    - cmm
      
      Oh, FFS, we’ve been over this many times….
      
      You are confusing the prescription processing cost (the $5 cost) with the cost of non-subsidised medicines. The actual prescription cost maxxes out at $100 a year. If you’re paying more than that then it is for the medicines themselves – NOT THE PRESCRIPTION.
      
      The prescription processing cost is $5 per item on the prescription. Yesterday I picked up my prescription with 6 items on it. That cost $30 because they are all fully subsidised drugs.
      
      The prescription was for 90 days. If they had only given me 30 day’s worth, then they would not charge me for the next 30 days worth. The $5 prescription fee is PER item PER prescription.
      
      Once you get to $100 in prescription feed in a year then you don’t pay more.
      
      If it is not subsidised (or only partially subsidised as in your case) then that is an entirely different matter.
      Dropping the $5 prescription charge will not make your $1000 go away. At best it will make $100 of it go away and reduce it to $900.
      
      Perhaps Labour is counting on people being confused and hearing “free” and thinking they will get more than is actually being talked about.
      
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      June 2, 2023 12:54pm
      - Ghost
        
        All I’m saying is not all prescriptions are for 3 months
        
        Interesting to see after your rant you refuse to pay full price for your meds, sucking of the public tit huh
        
        This is really a form of corruption that we see wherever the tax base shrinks and the beneficiary base increases. (Here I am using the widest possible definition of beneficiaries, including all those sucking on the public tit: university lecturers, school teachers, WINZ “customers”, people getting “free” prescriptions, WFF,…).
        
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        June 2, 2023 1:11pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I get 4 meds, I pay $5 for each item, some are fine with repeats and are always free
      
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      June 2, 2023 4:06pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  It’s just about turning any issue of politics into the most shrill and moralistic thing possible – be it road signs or $5 fees.
  National should have said nothing about it at all, again.
  Because now it is turning into a crime against humanity, again.
  
  Turning everything into a ‘die on a hill’ matter for identity politics: that’s Labours trick to twist it into being about their compassion, and National being heartless and racist.
  
  Nats – get the narrative back to the cost of food, law, and health ASAP.
  The media is the enemy. Let these topics die ASAP.
  
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  June 2, 2023 1:18pm
- Philview
  
  I watched TV3 News last night and they were comparing the National Party policy to the Handmaid’s Tale with clips of oppressed women from the TV show. A very extreme example of media bias!
  
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  June 2, 2023 1:59pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Labour want more babies. They are future Labour voters, as most babies will not know their Father.
  
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  June 2, 2023 4:49pm
Biscuit

My flabber is well and truly gasted.
For the second time in a week, Sharon Murdoch has come up with a cartoon on the ‘Stuff’ website that had me a) nodding approvingly and b) murmuring ‘Good point’…
Is there any hope for me?
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June 2, 2023 8:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Who sends you that ‘Stuff’ shit?
  Is it someone on here on Kiwiblog?
  
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  June 2, 2023 4:51pm
Maggie Pie

In case you missed it earlier…COMEDY GOLD 😀

https://twitter.com/unusual_whales/status/1664344694338506752
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June 2, 2023 8:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Quite sad how those bastard Democrats are still using a very sick man.
  Fucking disgusting.
  
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  June 2, 2023 4:53pm
- Bodger
  
  That bit of floor was deceptively flat!
  
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  June 2, 2023 6:25pm
Yabster

From Hobson Pledge re the DIA releasing a proposal to regulate social media- the special people get a free pass in the proposal- more race based BS.

But there is more appalling information about this proposal….

The regulator will be responsible for fulfilling the government’s Treaty of Waitangi obligations. Despite the lack of clarity surrounding the Treaty’s principles, we now have equally ambiguous “obligations.” This necessitates Maori involvement in the development and approval of codes of practice by platforms and industries.
The regulator may also impose requirements for engagement with Maori during the development of codes of practice.
Maori representation will be built into the regulatory system. This would require Maori representation and influence to be present in all stages of platform regulation.
The regulator will be required to have in-house te ao Maori capacity/capability.
Iwi and Maori will be involved in the governance of the regulator, and will have significant input in developing the codes of practice.
It is suggested codes of practice could set minimum standards for Maori cultural competency and restore ‘mana’ through the complaints process.
Maori are granted protections to “express themselves freely,” a privilege not given to any other New Zealander.
Interventions provide a passing nod to the social and cultural needs of all New Zealanders but then specify a need to be consistent with Treaty obligations as well as recognise and respect te ao Maori and Tikanga.
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June 2, 2023 8:23am
- ClanMcleod
  
  It’s a colour revolution, and most people have no idea it’s happening.
  
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  June 2, 2023 8:35am
  - kowtow
    
    It completely undermines the concept of the rule of law .
    
    This is a deliberate de democraticising of New Zealand.
    
    Yet another example , of many.
    
    Where’s the outrage.
    
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    June 2, 2023 8:59am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  So, articles like this one probably won’t reach the minimum standard:
  https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/06/political-and-cultural-corruption-have-wrecked-new-zealand/
  
  [paywalled]
  
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  June 2, 2023 9:28am
- leoj
  
  Unless the word/adjective “maori” begins a sentence, why do you insist on using a capital letter?
  
  It doesn’t happen with “pakeha”?
  
  What makes maori so special?
  
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  June 2, 2023 11:10am
  - Yabster
    
    Hi leoj- its a copy and paste- so the question you asked should be directed at Hobson Pledge.
    
    ps i don’t like the use of “pakeha” capital P or not.
    
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    June 2, 2023 11:59am
- Drone
  
  Hi @Yabster every government orgnisation, department or unit today needs two things,
  
  1) A maori name (metaphor based that nobody can translate back to the original name and hence function).
  2) An in-house maori unit consisting of a kaumatua and a team of supporters, karakia chanters and guitar strummers.
  None of the above actually add to the value department or unit but provide feelz for the government.
  
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  June 2, 2023 11:37am
ClanMcleod

Monty Python couldn’t have made up a president like this.
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June 2, 2023 8:24am
ClanMcleod

The CDC in the US held a conference at the end of April.

On April 27, the last day of the conference, several people notified organizers that they had tested positive for COVID-19. The CDC and the Georgia Department of Public Health worked together to survey attendees to try to figure out how many people had tested positive.

“The goals were to learn more about transmission that occurred and add to our understanding as we transition to the next phase of COVID-19 surveillance and response,” the CDC said in a May 26 statement.

Approximately 80 percent of attendees filled out the survey. Among those, 181 said they tested positive for COVID-19.

Every person who reported testing positive was vaccinated, a CDC spokesperson told The Epoch Times via email.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/most-infected-in-covid-outbreak-at-cdc-were-vaccinated-agency-confirms_5297678.html?src_src=partner&src_cmp=vigilantf

“Safe and effective” eh David Seymour?
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June 2, 2023 8:29am
Bridgenag

When No One Can Work, What Will We Do?
A peek into the future
https://open.substack.com/pub/tessa/p/when-no-one-can-work?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

Human feelings don’t matter
 Unless bringing them up 
Suits the invisible man.  
Then it’s okay — 
And even encouraged.
Human sickness
 Is collateral damage 
Unless transformed 
Into selling points 
For the invisible man.
Poisoned rivers, stolen soil, tarnished souls, broken spirits, 
Talking points, talking points, talking points, talking points…
Nothing’s real—
 Unless it’s marked for consumption 
By the…
Expel the invisible man. 
Expel the invisible man. 
Expel the invisible man.
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June 2, 2023 8:30am
Surely Knott

Slanderous name calling by Stuff who don’t appear to have any proof to back it up. Is this disinformation

Stuff headline – Conspiracy Theorists…Hijack council forum.

“This was a coordinated effort to interrupt the meeting with their wacky anti-Covid, conspiracy theory stuff,’’ one attendee told Stuff.”

(So an *anonymous* attendee says they were wacky and anti -covid. Those are defamatory labels any evidence like a quote of what they said about Covid at the meeting which seems weird as the meeting was about town planning.)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/132204819/conspiracy-theorists-including-former-mayoral-contender-hijack-council-forum

The meeting “was attended by about 20 people, to discuss the Future Development Strategy (FDS) for Dunedin, made in partnership with mana whenua and supported by Waka Kotahi and Kāinga Ora.”

“That plan was a requirement of the Government’s National Policy Statement on Urban Development, but some of the attendees alleged it was part of the United Nations-backed sustainable development plan called Agenda 21, which involves the Illuminati’s covert plan to kill off the majority of the earth’s population.”

(So did the conspiracy theorists just say it was part of Agenda 21 which is a real document not a conspiracy theory.

Or did these people actually allege that Agenda 21 is by the illuminati and will kill off the majority of the earths population. Could we get a direct quote of what they said and footage of this meeting because I don’t believe Stuff.)
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June 2, 2023 8:34am
- kowtow
  
  ‘in partnership with mana whenua’
  
  Here we go again.
  
  Undermining the concept of the rule of law and the principles of democracy .
  
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  June 2, 2023 9:21am
- Taieri
  
  Just another hatchet job from Stuff…
  
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  June 2, 2023 9:32am
Pavel

Here is some info for Alwynn Pool and I only hope you read this Alwynn. I’ll write this as though I’m speaking to you.
Alwynn, you write about how are kids are not attending school enough. Sometimes it isn’t the kids (or parents) fault. You talk about how kids should be in school 90% of the time but with teacher strikes and teacher only days my kids could only attend school for 80% of term one. My kids are 5 and 6 years old and absolutely love going to school however they have been home all week by order of the school. What have they done? They had a runny nose and according to guidelines set out by the government apparently if kids have a cough or runny nose the must stay away from school for 7 days. Is this the new normal? They were tested for covid and were negative. You see the kids generally get 2 colds a year (at least one minimum) so by this logic the kids are going to miss out on 2 weeks of school a year, 6 months over 13 years. I don’t know how old you are but when I was in school 30 years ago I remember going to school with a cough and runny nose. I remember sitting in assembly in intermediate and almost going blue trying not to cough but this was more a peer thing than any fear of being sent home and I can not remember any kids ever being sent home for having a runny nose and a cough, even my teacher had a hanky and we use to think how gross it was him blowing his nose and putting it away in his pocket bit he didn’t take a day off. So on top of poor attendance rates have you factored in that most kids will he home at least 2 weeks a year with a funny nose or cough? You often cite bad parenting and socio economic factors in your poor attendance rates yet here I have 2 kids who long for nothing more than to be at school every day yet no matter their enthusiasm they don’t stand a chance of attending 90% of the time. Until this madness ends and this policy stops attendance rates are about to drop even further than anything you’ve reported on before. I place massive emphasis on education and as a parent I find this extremely distressing.
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June 2, 2023 8:36am
- kowtow
  
  The catastrophic regime ( worldwide) response to Batflu is changing our culture , for the worse.
  
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  June 2, 2023 9:23am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Pavel – very well said. Our daughter is being sent home from school for having a bit of a cough. She tested negative for covid with a RAT test. She asked for a cough lolly ffs.
  
  She’s at boarding school, distant from us. We have to fly her home, the whole exercise will cost us over $600. Add in teacher strikes, teacher only days. I sometimes wonder is there any point in paying $20k a year for this?
  
  More rolling strikes to come. This country is farked.
  
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  June 2, 2023 9:44am
  - kowtow
    
    Surely they have an infirmary where the “sick” kids can be “isolated”.
    If they don’t then they are wasting your money .
    
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    June 2, 2023 11:58am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      kowtow – they do, but this is government policy. A throwback to the madness of the last few years.
      
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      June 2, 2023 12:28pm
      - kowtow
        
        And yet they claim we’re back to normal .
        More lies.
        
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        June 2, 2023 1:50pm
  - AitchW
    
    When I was at boarding school if you were genuinely sick you went to sick bay where matron looked after you until you were well enough to return to class. The only time in 6 years that a boy was sent home was when one poor fellow was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes and it was agreed with his parents that he would be better off learning to cope with daily injections at home. Nowadays it would appear that kids are sent home at the first sign of a sniffle.
    
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    June 2, 2023 4:22pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      AitchW – that seems to be the policy. This is our daughter’s first year, second term. When she tested negative we thought that was that. No, you need to get her home.
      This is madness. This is where children build immune systems. Growing up, interacting with others. We are breeding a generation of weak, needy, dependent children who are going to be ‘offended’ by everything. It doesn’t augur well for society.
      
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      June 3, 2023 8:53am
Maggie Pie

‘GAY PRIDE MONTH’ began yesterday.
They’ve even dedicated a full week taking it to our primary schools from June 12 – 16.

Although I see there’s a big push from the ‘LGB’ community to disassociate themselves from the rest of those ‘TQ’ odd balls….

https://twitter.com/LGBgroup/status/1664157671501733889
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June 2, 2023 8:42am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Good on you Maggie 😃
  
  I was going to say that I couldn’t find one mention of Pride Month on the blog yesterday – c’mon Kiwiblog; we’re much better than that….
  
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  June 2, 2023 9:23am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Good to see them separating themselves from the violent lunatics we saw attacking Posie Parker.
  
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  June 2, 2023 9:52am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And let’s not forget that our PM, when he was the Minister-for-Education, employed transgender activist Sheneal Lal to ‘advise him’ on introducing gender studies in our schools, using our kids, some as young as 5, as guinea pigs, to brainwash them 🙁
    
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    June 2, 2023 10:16am
    - Ehlana
      
      People like Shaneel should be treated with the same circumspection we should use for “resident’s associations”. The first question should always be, where is your evidence of a mandate from the people you claim to represent?
      
      Resident’s associations can at least claim paid-up members who have elected their representatives, though often the members are only a small minority of the residents of the area they claim to speak for. Can Shaneel show a mandate from anyone?
      
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      June 2, 2023 11:09am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Lesbians are being called TERFs, and literally getting punched in the face. Some of them don’t like the insistence that they need to be attracted to ‘women with penises’ to be ‘rainbow allies’ either.
    
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    June 2, 2023 1:29pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Ha! One comment: we don’t need an entire month. Just brunch would be fine.
  
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  June 2, 2023 7:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Is this shit coming to NZ? Sicko Democrats.

https://billingsreport.com/nv-dems-pass-last-minute-amendment-to-fine-school-boards-for-bathroom-sports-policies/
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June 2, 2023 8:43am
Chuck Bird

FYI

President Joe Biden tells US Air Force Academy graduates their leadership needed; trips after speech

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/president-joe-biden-tells-us-air-force-academy-graduates-their-leadership-needed-trips-after-speech/L3VZFJPVTFCYVOJZE2SMNIAKK4/
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June 2, 2023 9:06am
- kowtow
  
  Had that been Orange Man Bad it would lead every news cast here.
  But it won’t.
  
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  June 2, 2023 9:25am
- Ross Miller
  
  Biden gives a new meaning to the jibe directed at Gerald Ford … ‘can’t walk and chew gum at the same time’
  
  Trump is morally unfit for high office. In the Westminster system of government he would have been forced to resign many times over.
  
  Why can’t the Republican and Democrat parties come up with candidates the likes of Reagan and HST?
  
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  June 2, 2023 11:33am
Maggie Pie

Finally…here’s the link!
The whole world can now access all the photos on Hunter’s laptop.
There’s well over 10,000 images. ENJOY 😛

https://twitter.com/Thekeksociety/status/1664355528045109256

WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES
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June 2, 2023 9:12am
Surely Knott

Who shot ex- green candidate Jack Brazil on April 16?
Someone on here said truth will out in time, it always does. But does it, if it embarrasses the left.

Who was in the car with Jack? Why can’t Jack himself tell us? Why did Jack not want to be named as the person shot? Why was Jack’s own marxist cafe raided if he was the victim? What was found in the far-left Yours Cafe raid? Why no arrests?
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June 2, 2023 9:18am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Is a shooter roaming the streets of Dunedin?
  
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  June 2, 2023 10:44am
  - kowtow
    
    Quite a few actually .
    
    “While we acknowledge that there have been several incidents of concern recently, these have been isolated incidents with no specific links or driving factors,” Insp Brown said.
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/gun-incidents-city-not-related-police-say
    
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    June 2, 2023 12:02pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Funny you should say that, because there has been shots fired once a week lately, but haven’t heard about one for some time, there were shots fired earlier in the week, snd on Wednesday a guy was arrested for brandishing a fire arm, we don’t usually see these crimes
    
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    June 2, 2023 4:11pm
- kevn
  
  @SK… Asking questions when you (may) know the answers is always rewarding.
  
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  June 2, 2023 10:50am
Maggy Wassilieff

Who benefits from all the $$$$$ wealthy countries donate to fight climate change?

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/climate-change-finance/
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June 2, 2023 9:20am
- Taieri
  
  Who benefits
  ————
  
  Middlemen (and women). And everybody’s favourite – the Politician, of course…
  
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  June 2, 2023 9:28am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I love the coal-fired electricity station investment. It will help to improve the quality of life for many people. People who might otherwise be burning dung for cooking might now be able to use electricity.
  Productivity will likely increase.
  
  “Fight climate change”. So much nonsense and waste embedded into 3 words.
  
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  June 2, 2023 10:05am
- Burtland
  
  sliding into the 3rd world might have some benefits //
  
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  June 2, 2023 10:57am
Maggy Wassilieff

Does anyone have a clear understanding of the extent and limits (boundaries) of Mātauranga Māori?

“Mātauranga Māori is a central element of the NBE bill. It is something councils must take account of when considering development proposals but how do you take account of something when you don’t know what it means?

https://www.teaomaori.news/act-fires-over-labour-refusal-define-matauranga
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June 2, 2023 9:31am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  Oh don’t worry Maggy – I’m sure those in the know will be able to make things up on the fly.
  
  She’ll be right…
  
  (Is there anything that needs to be made a taonga right now?)
  
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  June 2, 2023 9:48am
- Swifty
  
  What a disaster from this Labour government.
  
  And it will be Maori who will be among those who suffer the most, through our housing continuing to be some of the most unaffordable in the world.
  
  Labour have learned nothing from the housing crisis.
  
  Nothing.
  
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  June 2, 2023 9:52am
- Taieri
  
  how do you take account of something when you don’t know what it means?
  —————–
  
  The same way as we do with the famous Treaty of Waitangi “principles” that nobody’s bothered defining so far…
  
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  June 2, 2023 9:58am
- Swifty
  
  I just do not understand Parker or Labour.
  
  Through this legislation they have had the opportunity to make themselves real heroes by seriously addressing housing affordability.
  
  But no.
  
  If I was Parker my number one priority with this legislation would have been affordability.
  
  Everything else way down the list.
  
  If officials couldn’t have demonstrated that this legislation would make housing appreciably cheaper then they would be ordered back to the drawing board.
  
  I just don’t understand them. This is just more evidence of the squandering of the last six years.
  
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  June 2, 2023 10:04am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I imagine a football field with a set of goalposts at one end moving all around the field.
  IOW, it is whatever we get told it is, and if you query it you’re a racist.
  
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  June 2, 2023 10:10am
Rusty

How come our tv news weather people don’t bat an eyelid when they happily report on snow peaks covering our mountains for winter?

Didn’t Jacinda say many times when she was PM our snow peaks may never return to normal due to climate change?

This whole man made climate change hysteria only suits them when an extreme weather event happens but when the weather returns to normal again they are silent.
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June 2, 2023 9:33am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She is so full of shit, the 90s in the South island had a whole decade of low snow on ski fields, but since the turn of the century the ski fields have had smoke real snow to get through the Thile season, last year Coronet peak had its record seasonal snow fall, go figure
  
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  June 2, 2023 4:15pm
Surely Knott

Fact Check:

“Government slammed for not lifting breast cancer screening age despite promise” Stuff.

“In its response to Parliament’s petitions committee, the Government wrote that there were other priorities for the breast screening programme.”

“Breast cancer incidence and mortality is higher in wāhine Māori and Pacific women than other women,” the response said.

This appears to be wrong.

While it’s true mortality outcomes are lower in Maori and Pacific women.

Pacific women over 44+ actually have a lower incidence rate of breast cancer than European women. Scientists believe this is due to protective characteristics like longer breastfeeding and more babies.

Table showing incident rate of cancer by race.

https://bmccancer.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2407-10-674/tables/3
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June 2, 2023 9:50am
- Ehlana
  
  I believe our health system is committed to equitable outcomes for Maori (and possibly Pacific) people. You and I might think that would be achieving by improving their health to match that of other people.
  
  But the other way to do it is much easier and more fun – make less effort to save other people, to bring the survival rates closer together. And spend the saved money on “cultural initiatives”.
  
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  June 2, 2023 11:14am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Haha, yet this is a Nat policy to lift the age to 75
  
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  June 2, 2023 4:15pm
ClanMcleod

News out of North Korea.

Media regulation: New super-power government body set to rule over news and social media content; film, gaming classification

Whoops, silly me, it’s a NZ headline! Paywalled, but you get the gist.

Free-speech advocates are also angry, describing the proposed regulation as “another major attempt at silencing Kiwis”. It was “a censor’s greatest dream” and would be “weaponised to suppress unpopular or disliked perspectives and opinions”, said the Free Speech Union.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/media-regulation-new-super-power-government-body-set-to-rule-over-news-and-social-media-films-gaming/CY3QY6RKU5BPTOP5L4YV4G2POU/

This country is going full fascist. No conspiracy.
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June 2, 2023 10:01am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  This article about the proposed change to our media and online services isn’t paywalled.
  
  https://thespinoff.co.nz/internet/01-06-2023/how-a-new-proposal-could-change-online-safety-in-new-zealand
  
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  June 2, 2023 10:11am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Thanks Maggy.
    
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    June 2, 2023 10:30am
- Taieri
  
  There’s a simple and cheap solution. Use the “off” button. It’s not compulsory to read and watch what you don’t like or agree with.
  But of course a new and no doubt an “independent” body will need to be set up.
  And, another of course as the article in The Spinoff says, the “(…)Māori, are exposed to more harms than others.”. For fcuk sake, what’s wrong with these people? Is there anything left that doesn’t negatively affect the Maori?
  
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  June 2, 2023 11:20am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I use the ‘off’ button frequently, what I’m concerned about is the government being in charge of the ‘off’ button to prevent me seeing content that they deem ‘wrong’.
    That’s fascism.
    
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    June 2, 2023 12:01pm
kevn

@Clan… More North Korea news.
https://unwatch.org/north-korea-wins-leading-role-at-world-health-organization/
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June 2, 2023 10:03am
- ClanMcleod
  
  @kevn – what could possibly go wrong? //
  
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  June 2, 2023 10:39am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  That’s just nuts
  
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  June 2, 2023 7:23pm
Maggie Pie

$317million spent TO DATE on the 2023 Census.

Over $40 MILLION of that with employment agency Persolkelly in recruiting ‘Census Collectors’. Many of whom are now in a stoush with the company for compensation…. over allegations they were mislead about the amount of pay and hours on offer.

As my partner’s mum said…
We are being influenced by the morally depraved.
Advised by the scientifically compromised.
And governed by pathological idiots.
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June 2, 2023 10:08am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  How much did JT and the Trust trouser?
  
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  June 2, 2023 10:17am
- mandk
  
  Evidently only 74% of Maori have taken part in the Census.
  
  That’s OK by me, if we count only the 74% for the purposes of providing public services and deciding the number of Maori seats in Parliament.
  
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  June 2, 2023 11:34am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Heard someone saying this morning that more than 6000 maoris have moved off the general and onto the maori roll.
    With thousands more expected to do the same before close-off date.
    
    Assume that must be for some sort of strategic voting?
    
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    June 2, 2023 11:57am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

This coup, this takeover, is like a pre 1840 tribal raid.

It’s treasonous, illegal, and it must be stopped.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/we-have-now-printed-350000-of-julians-booklets-in-12-weeks/
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June 2, 2023 10:09am
ClanMcleod

Anyone out there who still thinks the Ukraine war isn’t a US/NATO proxy war to destabilise and ultimately destroy Russia as a viable nation state?

Here’s that lovely diplomat Victoria Nuland clarifying a few things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91Qaq-n-4eE

The video was recorded at the Kyiv Security Forum in February 2023, where Nuland addressed a group of Ukrainian officials and experts. She praised Ukraine’s efforts to regain control of its territory from Russia, which invaded its neighbor in February 2022.

She also said that the US was “proud” to support Ukraine with training, equipment, and diplomatic pressure. But then she dropped a bombshell: “We have been working on your counter-offensive plan with you for some four-five months,” she said.

This statement contradicts the official US position that it is not a party to the war in Ukraine, but only a mediator and an ally. It also raises questions about the extent of US involvement in Ukraine’s military operations and strategy.

Victoria Nuland was one of the prime instigators of the coup in Ukraine in 2014, along with John McCain. She is one of the biggest war hawks in the US Military Industrial Complex.

This conflict carries a greater risk of nuclear war than the Cuban missile crisis.
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June 2, 2023 10:17am
- Tom Hunter
  
  But then she dropped a bombshell….
  
  Not really. NATO nations have not been shy about showing what they’re training and equipping the Ukrainian Army with, and that also means they’d been in deep on planning, given the need for Western sensor nets and other intelligence.
  
  But yeah, Nuland’s a pretty arrogant piece of work, as shown by her attitudes toward the rest of NATO some years ago in those leaked phone calls.
  
  … a greater risk of nuclear war than the Cuban missile crisis.
  Ummm. No. Not even close, and Vlad knows it. Aside from anything else China has shut down any loose talk about nukes that used to come from Russia, because they now hold the purse strings.
  
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  June 2, 2023 11:04am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Tom Hunter – I’ll agree to disagree. The US seem intent on crossing red line after red line, upping the ante with what they are prepared to supply Ukraine with after previously stating they wouldn’t do so.
    
    Now we’re hearing about F16s, they won’t change the outcome, only cause more prolonged death and misery.
    Of particular concern is Nuland endorsing attacking Crimea, whether you agree or not, Russia sees it as Russian territory. America endorsing direct attacks on Russian territory will not end well.
    
    I guess all of us armchair analysts will find out eventually.
    
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    June 2, 2023 12:06pm
    - Ehlana
      
      ClanMcLeod, if, as you believe, the Ukraine war is “a US/NATO proxy war to destabilise and ultimately destroy Russia as a viable nation state”, then Putin scored a massive own goal when he invaded Ukraine. If he’d just stayed home, tens of thousands of Ukrainains and Russians would still be alive, and this proxy war could not have happened.
      
      Bit like Shaneel and his mates rallying against Posie Parker – if they’d just stayed home, no-one would have heard or cared anything about her and her point of view. By going to Albert Park, drowning her out and physically attacjing, they gave her credibility and victim status.
      
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      June 2, 2023 1:13pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Ehlana – I think eventually we’re going to find that the US and NATO are the ones who scored the massive own goal, and caused the destruction of Ukraine as a viable entity.
        I guess we’ll find out eventually.
        
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        June 2, 2023 4:21pm
- H. Upmann
  
  A sharp dresser is that Victoria! Lovely cardy.
  
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  June 2, 2023 12:28pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Looks like a nice aunty who sends nice Xmas cards.
    What a piece of work.
    
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    June 2, 2023 4:21pm
kingerstinger

Simon Wilson continues with his, frankly, unhinged “reporting” on Wayne Brown and the council budget.

Everything I’ve read shows that Wayne has it bang on – told the entitled councillors (who want everything without actually figuring out how to pay for it – Oh wait, let’s just have the ratepayers sort it out for us) to get fucked, put that useless waste of space Viv Beck in her place, and reminded everyone that the Airport shares are really just a piss poor smoke show of an investment.
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June 2, 2023 10:38am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Wilson really is a derange, spittle flecked, raving loon isn’t he?
  
  This is an agenda, not reporting, a common theme in all our mainstream media over the last 3 years. Luckily most people recognise this and most acknowledge that Brown is actually doing a great job.
  The more Wilson hysterically attacks Brown, the more I like him, the more inclined I am to support his campaign to sort out the failed Auckland Council which he inherited.
  
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  June 2, 2023 11:04am
  - H. Upmann
    
    Wilson’s rantings are clearly hate-speech.
    
    I cannot recall reading a single piece written by him that did not have an exaggerated, over the top rant (it may have been as little as a single sentence), and viciousness against anything not on the left wing agenda.
    
    An idiot. Not even a useful idiot.
    
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    June 2, 2023 11:22am
- greybeard
  
  I consider the Auckland City Council’s Airport shares controversy as being similar to financial problems encountered in a normal household.
  
  On the one hand , there are debts incurring interest payments ( e.g a mortgage ) and there are also assets which may produce income ( e.g a term deposit ).
  
  If the interest on the mortgage far exceeds the interest on the term deposit then surely it makes sense to use some/all of the term deposit to offset some/all of the mortgage ?
  
  Why have money tied up at 4.5% interest when you are paying 7%-8% on the mortgage ?
  
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  June 2, 2023 12:43pm
- Inthe09
  
  The thing Simon doesn’t seem to understand is that the people who voted for Wayne are 100% behind him. By all means carry on with the unhinged commentary Simon, but we vote, the others don’t.
  
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  June 2, 2023 5:46pm
Gravelroad

Topic on newstalkzb Wellington this morning is dreadful goings on at a residents meeting (100 plus) attended.
Posh suburb of Wellington where people are respectful and respectable and generally white and rich.
But…… Mayor Tori Whanau was guest speaker until she walked out in a huff because of alleged hurtful heckling.
And because she is a woman.
She even said “f,,,k” as she went out the door.
Shock horror.
Didn’t like the questions – which she couldn’t/wouldn’t answer – and there was some alleged booing which she couldn’t cope with.
Just kept on with the correct narrative- Let’s Get Wellington Moving – no criticism allowed.
I suspect Ms Whanau is perhaps regretting moving out of her cosy office at the Green Party HQ where everyone adored her and wouldn’t dare ask horrible questions and be mean to girls.
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June 2, 2023 10:47am
ClanMcleod

I just came across an excellent post titled.

30 Questions for a narrative believer

Covid narrative believer that is.

https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/30-questions-for-a-narrative-believer

Here’s just one of the well considered questions.

25) Are you aware that the CDC has received 1,463,068 reports of adverse events for the COVID vaccines through November 11, 2022, including 32,220 deaths (26 percent of which occurred within the first three days after injection)?

We got lucky in NZ, according to Seymour NOBODY was injured or killed by the experimental jabs!

Excellent questions that are worth answering yourself, no matter where you are on the covid narrative spectrum. From total denier to total believer. Answer them honestly. It’s a revealing exercise. If you know anyone still clinging to the government narrative, see if you can get them to do it.
I bet most won’t, many are in shock and total denial, refusing to open their eyes or take their hands from their ears.
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June 2, 2023 10:51am
- Its only I
  
  Seymour is Labour+ when Labour holds the steering wheel and will try to convince you he is National+ if National get to play team bleader of the Nation. Wet noodle politics.
  
  Proof…every covid affected day since November 2019!!
  
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  June 2, 2023 12:52pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Sent to me on Facebook.
Kids do not see colour.
https://rumble.com/vhwnh3-father-daughter-duo-crushes-critical-race-theory-in-58-seconds.html
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June 2, 2023 10:52am
thirteenstars

Blaire White, one of the hottest looking blokes you’ll ever see, nails it:

“A transgender 4 year old is like a vegan cat. We all know who’s making the lifestyle choices.”

Interviewed on Sky News Australia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx32hpdS4Mg

How woke is Justine Trudeau? Dumb and dangerous, the worst combo.
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June 2, 2023 10:54am
Paulus

Hello Red Stickered House Owner.
My Name is Grant, and I am from the Government to help you for the next few weeks
I will do so as I promised but will take a liitle while but not before about 18 weeks as by then it will be the next person from the Govenment and they will not be as generous as I will be.
I have put you money away in a special account for you, so they will have to find it first.
Local Government will actually have to find the money to pay but I am here to help them pay.
I see Multiple ownership (Iwi/Whanau) is a problem but that is for the Councils to sort out as no person actually owns the property.
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June 2, 2023 11:02am
MCōs

Ben Robert-Smith loses his deformation case against the SMH and The Age
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-65717684

[Many posters make this mistake MC, it is defamation. This to stop the pile on. mod.]
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June 2, 2023 11:04am
- Maggie Pie
  
  We watched this play out on SkyNews last night.
  I think most people will feel like us… very sorry for Ben that it’s come to this 🙁
  
  Reminded us of what happens here with the IPCA….men sitting around in big leather chairs sipping whiskey and wearing shiny arse suits, judging men who are prepared to put their own lives on the line so we can be safe.
  
  As my partner said when they showed the comb-over Dudge delivering his verdict….”silly old c~~t”
  
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  June 2, 2023 11:31am
  - Nickc2
    
    I feel sorry for Ben too.
    He’s been hung out to dry by the MSM before being found guilty of any crime.
    He took some MSM Labor parasite newspapers to court claiming defamation and evidence was presented in a Judge only Civil case against these newspapers.
    It must be remembered that in a Civil case in Aust, only ‘Probability’ has to be proven, whereas in a Criminal case, guilt ‘Beyond Reasonable Doubt’ has to be proven.
    Despite what the MSM is now saying, he hasn’t been found guilty of any War Crime(s) to date.
    
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    June 2, 2023 11:43am
  - Jack5
    
    Presumably Ben Robert-Smith VC is left financially broke after the case.
    
    At least he didn’t get years of prison like Royal Marines sergeant Alexander Blackman, who was accused of killing a wounded Taliban.
    
    The Robert-Smith case is also an echo of the vicious campaign in Britain against Iraq war veterans by the later disgraced lawyer Phil Shiner (link below).
    
    If democracies are going to persecute veterans for the ruthless acts that commando-style fighting y entails, they might as well disband their special units: commandos, SEALs, etc, and even marines and paratroopers trained and equipped with (among other things) special fighting knives.
    
    How would the feats of NZ’s double VC, Charles Upham, have stood up to current Woke scrutiny?
    
    The surrounded New Zealanders’ break-out from Minquar Quaim was in June, 1942. From that, Rommel complained to a captured NZ brigadier about NZ soldiers bayoneting German wounded (second link below). Upham was taken prisoner by the Germans in July 1942. Was Upham in the Minquar Quaim breakout?
    
    Perhaps the West’s treatment of its volunteer soldiers reflects the condescension of the liberal elite for the mainly working class soldiers sent to do dirty work.
    
    UK disgrace:
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/feb/02/iraq-human-rights-lawyer-phil-shiner-disqualified-for-professional-misconduct
    
    Rommel complains about NZ soldiers bayoneting German wounded:
    
    https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/47714851
    
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    June 2, 2023 11:55am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I’ve seen the video of Australian soldiers shooting and killing an unarmed Afghani farmer. It was horrific.
      
      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-16/video-shows-afghan-man-shot-at-close-range-by-australian-sas/12028512
      
      I don’t condone persecuting men who are operating in war zones who take actions under extreme conditions. But the one above is a straight out execution, there was no threat to the shooter or anyone else involved.
      
      The Mai Lai massacre is one of the most well known examples of straight out psychopaths using the cover of war to murder innocent people.
      
      When there is clear evidence of wrongdoing then charges should be brought. But don’t persecute people who volunteer to do the dirty work for us in difficult situations.
      I don’t know the full story of the person in this article.
      
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      June 2, 2023 12:24pm
      - Jack5
        
        The ABC’s (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) report shows the case dug up accusations from Robert-Smith’s ex-wife, and alleged jealousy from some fellow soldiers about him being awarded the VC.
        
        The personality that took Robert-Smith into the SAS must have caused him to underestimate the shit storm he was marching into.
        
        But the ABC couldn’t help throw in this warning to anyone else who thinks of challenging the media:
        
        By nature, defamation cases expose their initiators to the risk that all manner of personal and private affairs will be aired publicly.
        
        If there is an enduring rift between the military and the media in Australia, a solution might be to reintroduce compulsory military service – for all parts of the Army, Navy and Air Force.
        
        This would weld over any gap in expectations of the public and of those who fire and take the bullets.
        
        The ABC’s take:
        
        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-01/ben-roberts-smith-analysis-on-ex-soldier-personal-cost/102419864
        
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        June 2, 2023 12:47pm
      - cmm
        
        It is all very well looking at video out of context and drawing conclusions like are drawn in that article.
        
        The Fog of War needs to be taken into account too. We don’t know what else was going on and it is ridiculous to be judging people after the even with 20/20 vision.
        
        It is pretty well known that people don’t just see what is visually in front of them. They see a picture constructed in their heads.
        
        This is how hunters in the roar end up shooting their mates through the head – right through their dayglow orange cap!
        
        This is how Air France Flight 447 happened, where 3 pilots ended up crashing a perfectly viable plane in a controlled stall from 30,000 into the sea all the while ignoring the stall warning shout “stall, stall, stall…” all the way down.
        
        If you are interested in this part of how the brain works then I recommend a book called “The Invisible Gorilla”.
        
        Or if you’ve just got a minute, then watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo
        
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        June 2, 2023 1:20pm
      - Mike
        
        cmm
        Are you claiming that the actions of all people cannot be judged after the event? Or would you narrow that to some specific classes of people who should be exempt from scutiny?
        
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        June 2, 2023 1:31pm
      - cmm
        
        Mike/mma/whatever:
        
        I am saying that ALL people should be judged on how they saw things before them, not necessarily on the way things turn out after the fact.
        
        If you care to, you can dig up what I said about self defence a while ago.
        
        I consider this to be a general principle for all people
        
        Soldiers, police and such need special consideration though. They are placed in an unenviable position of not having the option to walk away. They are acting with incomplete information (often very wrong) and are placed in situations where they must often make split second decisions. When weapons are involved there is no “oops” or “I’ll put you on hold while I call my manager”.
        
        The same principle applies for all people that must make decisions – some of which are life or death – with incomplete information. The quality of the decision should be judged by the information available at the time. If you look back a few days you will see I gave the same leeway to the “scientists” and officials who directed our Covid resonse. I judge them by what they had to work with at the time, not whether they were “proved right” or “proved wrong”.
        
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        June 2, 2023 1:52pm
      - Mike
        
        cmm
        Yes. In the Roberts case, the newspapers reported what were clearly understood by many at the time to be crimes, including the murder of unarmed civilians. Despite this, some seem prepared to issue a free pass to soldiers who break the clearly understood rules of war.
        The situations described in your last comment are not the same as executing an unarmed civilian who poses no threat. Soldiers are granted fairly wide latitude in actual combat situations. I’d accept that these sorts of crimes are more frequent than are reported, let alone prosecuted.
        
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        June 2, 2023 2:51pm
    - kowtow
      
      I blame the politicians , of all stripes , who’re happy to send these literal heroes into harms way , not even for the sake of our own countries but licking up to whoever’s in the White House .
      
      And in the UK the military didn’t even have their own hospitals and were open to abuse even there !
      No doubt due to pollies , again , saving a few quid with cuts to the military budget.
      
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      June 2, 2023 12:32pm
    - Mike
      
      He might be broke. Apparently he hocked his medal to pay for his ill-advised defamation action. I suspect he will have enough sympathizers that he won’t be reduced to poverty.
      Interesting that some witnesses at the defamation trial declined to answer questions due to caution over incriminating themselves.
      Rommel’s complaints, btw, were assuaged by an explanation given to him in person by one of the captured NZ brigadiers (Clifton, I think). the Roberts case is very different.
      
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      June 2, 2023 12:48pm
      - MCōs
        
        When the decision was made public he was lounging around at a $500/night resort in Bali.
        In the meantime he has cost the newspapers $25mill in legal fees and lost as he knew he must.
        
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        June 2, 2023 3:29pm
      - kowtow
        
        ‘he has cost the newspapers $25mill ‘
        
        Boo f#@ken hoo .
        
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        June 2, 2023 3:41pm
      - Jack5
        
        Milky’s …Rommel’s complaints, btw, were assuaged by an explanation given to him in person by one of the captured NZ brigadiers (Clifton, I think) …
        
        I think what you mean by Rommel was assuaged is that Rommel didn’t have the NZ brigadier shot.
        
        It would be interesting to read German war transcripts if they are available.
        
        Milky, in earlier threads of Kiwiblog you lambasted the NZ Mounted Brigade soldiers and Australians of the Aussie regiments of the Anzac mounted brigade, who in 1918 were involved in a massacre at an Arab village, Sarafand, after a thief stabbed to death an NZ soldier.
        
        Chris Trotter, at his blog Bowalley Road, recently told how his grandfather, a doctor, was serving with the NZ unit.
        
        Trotter also tells how Jewish settlers from a nearby village not only put up a memorial to New Zealanders, but for years after the war ended, sent a Christmas message to New Zealanders.
        
        Trotter also says the Anzac troops threatened mutiny after Allenby abused them after the massacre.
        
        It’s madness to think one side in a war, and onlly one side, can be held to the Geneva Conventions. For example, look at the second link below.
        
        Trotter’s blog on Surafend:
        https://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2023/05/a-grim-template.html
        
        Taliban prisoners’ status:
        
        https://irp.fas.org/agency/doj/olc/taliban.pdf
        
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        June 2, 2023 3:57pm
      - Mike
        
        MCos
        I’d hesitate to speculate on what he might have known. I would assume that he is liable for the costs incurred in forcing the newspapers to prove that their statements were not defamatory.
        His reputation is shredded, but no doubt he will retain fawning admirers and be able to maintain a comfortable lifestyle.
        
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        June 2, 2023 4:17pm
      - Mike
        
        Yes Jack, the Surafend massacre was a very well documented war crime. The soldiers involved went unpunished. The story that they ‘counted out’ General Allenby when admonished at a parade is unverified, although the Anzac mounted division’s battle honors were withheld for a time.
        As I noted above, these sorts of crimes are more frequent than are reported, let alone prosecuted.
        
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        June 2, 2023 4:31pm
      - Jack5
        
        Milky’s … these sorts of crimes are more frequent than are reported, let alone prosecuted …
        
        That begs the question (i.e. assumes the conclusion), and isn’t a valid argument. Judged a crime without a prosecution and a hearing?
        
        Distinguishing “war crime” from “war” frequently is dancing on a pinhead.
        
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        June 2, 2023 5:11pm
      - Mike
        
        Jacksy
        I think it involves no great feat of imagination to recall many crimes that have never been the subject of a prosecution or a judgement. Crime statistics, to take the easiest example, would look very much different if your preferred criteria were applied.
        More specifically, well-documented cases of soldiers killing unarmed prisoners or civilians can be called war crimes without unduly straining the language.
        
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        June 2, 2023 5:41pm
      - Jack5
        
        Crime reported to the police and added to statistics differs from war incidents. There is no single, accepted code of war crimes. Or at least one that is accepted and enforced.
        
        In reaction to threats of war-crimes investigations and charges against American troops in Afghanistan, the United States has put sanctions on International Criminal Court officials. These include Fatou Be Souda, the chief prosecutor, and at least one senior American spokesman has described the ICC as a kangaroo court.
        
        Why should Australia and NZ make sacrifices of their own soldiers to a Woke bonfire?
        
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        June 2, 2023 8:24pm
      - Mike
        
        Killing of prisoners (unarmed combatants) and civilians have been internationally recognized as war crimes since at least the 1907 Hague Convention, a convention convened by the US and ratified by it.
        The allegations against Roberts-Smith are that he committed murders in violation of Australian and international military law. The judge in the defamation case ruled that these allegations were substantially true. It remains to be seen whether the ongoing police investigation will result in a prosecution.
        US rejection of ICC jurisdiction, despite initially signing the treaty, does not mean it rejects the concept of war crimes, only that it decided t shield its senior officials from international accountability. Actions such as alleged against roberts-Smith would undoubtedly be crimes under US law and its military code of justice. Indeed, more than one US soldier has been imprisoned for war crimes committed in Afhanisatan.
        
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Steve Otto(North Shore)

Another form my FB:

For the Climate Change/Global Warming nutbars out there:
Picture this.
CO2 is 415 ppm. Lets call that 400 ppm because it makes the math for this simple, without undoing the point.
Apparently at 300 ppm we’re all good, no crisis. But at 400ppm it’s trouble.
Let’s look at. 400 ppm is 4 molecules of CO2 in every 10,000 molecules of air. 300 ppm is 3 of CO2 in every 10,000 molecules of air.
Think of Westpac Stadium with 30,000 people. At 300ppm that would be 9 of the 30,000 people are CO2 people. At 400ppm 12 of the 30,000 are CO2 people.
Please explain how 3 more CO2 people in a stadium of 30,000 people would completely change the crowd noise?
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June 2, 2023 11:12am
ClanMcleod

As a follow up to my post earlier re 30 questions to ask someone who believes the whole covid narrative, this is from the same author.

Another invaluable resource for anyone needing to find answers to explain the various insane policies that were implemented during this madness.

Wakeup Toolkit

https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/wake-up-toolkit

It covers all of these topics with hyperlinks to detailed information:

COVID Injection Harms &

Mandates

Masks

Isolation Camps & Lockdowns

Early Treatment Protocols

Harm to Children

Impact on the Elderly

Hospicide

Corruption, Collusion, & Fraud

Totalitarianism & Tyranny

Propaganda, Psychological Manipulation, Menticide, & Othering

Name-Calling to Silence Dissidents

Censorship

Human Rights

WHO Power Grab

Globalism/WEF/The Great Reset

Depopulation & Democide

War

Peaceful Noncompliance

Our Karass/The Resistance

Politics

Mistakes Were NOT Made: An Anthem for Justice

Profiles in Courage

Dissident Dialogues (interviews)

Dialogues (comment exchanges)

Poems

Fiction

Recommendations

Memes

Videos

Podcasts

Guest Pieces

Collaborations

Interviews & Presentations
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June 2, 2023 11:12am
Jack5

For the worry-warts: the spread of cities, trains, roads into the lands where Asian bats roost probably means more Covid-style plagues are to come.
And (from page 11 of the second link below), NZ’s bats also seem to harbour many diseases:

Short-tailed bats are known to carry a number of viruses and zoonoses, despite only limited investigations: coronaviruses, papillomavirus, polyomavirus, calicivirus, and
hepevirus were found in a limited number of samples of short-tailed bat guano from Whenua Hou/Codfish Island (Hall et al. 2014; Wang et al. 2015). A small, opportunistic, study of short-tailed bat carcasses from Whenua Hou/Codfish Island by Duignan et al. (2003) confirmed one case of hepatitis and numerous bats with
Sarcocystis infections.

Pandemic disease hosting bats’ habitats in Asia being encroached:

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/global-pandemic-bats-jumpzones/

NZ bats:

INITIAL VETERINARY CARE FOR NEW ZEALAND BATS
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June 2, 2023 11:22am
- Jack5
  
  That link to diseases in NZ bats doesn’t seem to work. The blog software strips “%” percentage signs from the link address.
  
  If you’re interested, Google “Initial Veterinary Care for NZ Bats” at https://ftp.doc.govt.nz/
  
  [Mod – fixed it for you]
  
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  June 2, 2023 11:32am
  - Jack5
    
    Thanks, Mod!🙃
    
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    June 2, 2023 12:02pm
- Matt Long
  
  Sounds like those short tail bats are dangerous, maybe if we could take out their habitat we would be safe.
  
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  June 2, 2023 11:37am
  - Jack5
    
    Codfish Island – probably visited only by Ngai Tahu muttonbirders and DOC rare bird scouts.
    
    What if the Ngai Tahu families with rights to harvest muttonbirds on Codfish Island have developed immunities to these viruses?
    Wouldn’t apply to DOC workers though.
    
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    June 2, 2023 12:07pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Forget the bats. Fauci is/was involved in funding gain of function research. It is in China, but heavily funded by the US Taxpayer.
  I don’t remember where I read this, but the strains of Covid and Covid like viruses are now 20 to 80 times more dangerous than the Covid we have now.
  It is biological warfare. Hopefully like Nukes it will never be used. Nukes can be targeted, viruses can’t.
  
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  June 2, 2023 12:43pm
cas

I went to the tip this morning and one of the women working there was telling me that her kids were off school today as it was a teachers only day. She bemoaned the fact that schooling was so disrupted these days and despite the fact that she clearly believed in the kids wanting to get on, she found it difficult to keep them motivated.

I found this so depressing, not because of the Mum who I salute but because the education system is so f…..d
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June 2, 2023 11:31am
- mandk
  
  No need to worry about this, cas.
  
  The government is “doing a lot of work on this”.
  
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  June 2, 2023 12:21pm
PeeJay

Schoolkids and gender.

Just heard something last night that made me laugh my socks off. Absolutely convinced it is an epic piss take and said so numerous times last night (while still laughing along) but maybe some on the blog might know some more.

Friend has a tale from Wanaka who is a teacher down there – high school or primary, not quite sure. At this teachers school, they have four students that now identify as cats.

Cats.

This apparently includes litter trays in the toilets.

Apparently the school management folded to these children’s demand that they be recognised as cats because management didn’t want the usual protests that have followed when other schools have tried to stare these mentally disturbed fantasists down. Just wanted a quiet life, so they gave in.

I’m convinced this is an epic piss take and simply can’t be true. It’s both horrifying and hilarious but come on, surely it’s not serious?

Anyone from Wanaka or Queenstown know if there is any shred of truth to this?

Convinced it’s a good joke, probably lifted from the web, but then again, we live in strange times so you never know.

Got to be a joke right? Right?
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June 2, 2023 12:13pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Am directly aware of the same thing at a school in the Waikato. Not going to say which one, although they’ve also caved so obviously can’t be shamed.
  
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  June 2, 2023 12:24pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The kids are not sick in the head, the parents/teachers are.
    This nonsense needs to be sorted legally, so those responsible can be charged and sentenced.
    Or am I just mad?
    
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    June 2, 2023 12:51pm
  - PeeJay
    
    Seriously? Same thing? Wow.
    
    I honestly thought the Cat things was a joke – good story but a joke but this is starting to take distinctly not-funny turn.
    
    I’ve just had a friend who’s down that way, works in both Queenstown and Wanaka, text me to say the cat thing might be true. Nobody seems to know for sure, so I’m not ruling it out as a very good joke, but my friend says a few folks down that way have heard this story, definitely seems to be a Wanaka school and most are split – few think it’s a good joke, others not so sure and think there might be something to it. I’m still not convinced – seems too utterly crazy to be true! Surely? Must be a joke right?
    
    What is going on here!
    
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    June 2, 2023 12:59pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      It’s not a joke – an offshoot of the Furry movement.
      
      Meowing not optional.
      
      And no, I’m not kidding about that either.
      
      All girls BTW, in a tight little group, which is also not surprising. Twenty years ago they’d all be bulemics.
      
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      June 2, 2023 3:19pm
- graham
  
  I’ve seen rubbish like this reported from overseas, but here in NZ? Damn …
  
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  June 2, 2023 12:45pm
- kevn
  
  @PJ… Bound to be feral (cat?) parents nudging the whole caper along.
  
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  June 2, 2023 3:00pm
Master Mariner

No surprises here.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132207610/ship-making-routine-fuel-delivery-mistaken-for-contaminated-aviation-gas-pick-up
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June 2, 2023 12:55pm
Maggie Pie

Been waiting for this one 😀 😀 😀

“FORE”!!

https://twitter.com/NautPoso/status/1664347297688199174
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June 2, 2023 1:12pm
Swifty

‘Fell pregnant….’

https://i.stuff.co.nz/life-style/wellbeing/132215694/she-fell-pregnant-through-ivf-while-her-husband-was-dying-of-bowel-cancer

Anyone else find this odd and antiquated language in 2023?

To fall, like there’s something bad or shameful about it.

What’s wrong with ‘became pregnant’?
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June 2, 2023 1:13pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Is she a pregnant person or a uterus haver?
  
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  June 2, 2023 1:19pm
Master Mariner

Im with you on this too Clan.
Now accountability.
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June 2, 2023 1:27pm
cmm

Coster is saying “It’s really important we play our part,”.

What? They’re going to start taking on criminals?

No silly! Burning $110k a pop on BMW i4 EVs to avert the dreaded climate change.

They are worried about 120kg of police gear and how that will impact range. What about the 200kg of cops and an extra 100-300kg if they pick up some “clients”?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/watch-live-polices-new-electric-vehicle-hits-the-streets/FPZHM4ODARDV7DQW66IHA64IYM/
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June 2, 2023 1:30pm
Maggie Pie

“There’s a spread of criminal cancer in Northland”

– Shane Jones
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June 2, 2023 1:39pm
- kowtow
  
  They had him on the NZME wireless news,
  Can’t say anything he spouts is impressive as he’s a bigly part of the Swamp that has us in these dire straits.
  
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  June 2, 2023 1:45pm
  - Mike
    
    Listening to him now, it’s hard to imagine how the national party ever considered him such a threat as a potential labor leader that they invented a special government job to get rid of him.
    
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    June 2, 2023 2:55pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    Agree. If this clown ever gets to be kingmaker I suspect there will even be calls to bring back Winston!
    
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    June 2, 2023 2:57pm
BeaB

Morning Report political round-up questioned Wayne Brown’s handling of the media. The announcer said he will get negative coverage if he doesn’t treat media the way they want.
Interesting in a week when Simon Wilson told outright lies about a National Party meeting he had actually attended so knew what had really happened.
Are we to take from this that the story we hear or read is what the reporter chooses to tell us, the facts are what they decide them to be and the media will take sides if they don’t like you?
I am amazed.
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June 2, 2023 2:19pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  He will get -ve coverage no matter what, because he’s not an idiot lefty.
  
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  June 2, 2023 6:58pm
MCōs

Mr Wayne Brown must be the most unusual, throw the toys out of the pram sort of Mayor I’ve heard of in NZ.
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June 2, 2023 3:37pm
- mandk
  
  He’s not my Mayor, but I get the impression he is doing a great job:
  a) using the Ron DeSantis playbook and not taking any biased nonsense from journalists, and
  b) taking the fight to the Councillors who think it is a good idea to pay vast amounts of interest on Council debt and force up rates, instead of selling airport shares that provide little value and influence for the city.
  
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  June 2, 2023 4:32pm
  - than
    
    Agreed. I sorely wish we could trade our Mayor in Wellington for him.
    The last few Mayors in fact. But even then, the rest of the council are full of clowns top to bottom, who care about (their) social causes more than running the city.
    
    MCos, do you really want the morons who do nothing but spend bucket loads of the other peoples money just to run the city into bankruptcy? Hate him for not being as eloquent as the others all you wish, but I’d know what I’d prefer.
    
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    June 2, 2023 8:44pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Why would the Russian oligarch known as ‘Putin’s-Chef’ have any interest in the Chatham Islands? Asking for our Ukrainian cleaning lady who did seem a tad upset 🙁
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- fightingtemeraire
  
  Smuggling???
  
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  June 3, 2023 6:54am
Jack5

Red Radio on dual-language road signs …

Peter Wilson’s column:

“The signs will start popping up and some people will no doubt be upset about that, but the opposition and the government are mostly on the same page so those who do not like them will have to spread the blame.

Wilson describes comments by Luxon and Bishop on Simeon Brown’s brave stand as “hosing down a muddle of their [National’s] own making”.

Humbert Wolfe was on target:

You cannot hope to bribe or twist
(thank God!) the British journalist.
But, seeing what the man will do
unbribed, there’s no occasion to.
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June 2, 2023 5:39pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  It’s interesting that people don’t seem to draw any link between ‘little’ things like dual-language road signs and the progress we’re making towards co-governance.
  I can’t help thinking of frogs in pots and a thousand wee cuts.
  
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  June 2, 2023 6:54pm
Maggie Pie

Ol Joe’s hot mic today….if you want a larf before bed 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/MagaMemeWizard/status/1664458588197212161
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