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cmm

Kings Birthday weekend coming up.
I must say I’m not quite able to marshal the enthusiasm and respect I could for QE2.
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May 31, 2023 8:06am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Perhaps you could compose a few karakia and waiata to make it more meaningful for you and your loved ones.
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/05/leading-m-ori-astronomer-rangi-m-t-mua-releases-new-karakia-booklet-ahead-of-this-year-s-matariki.html
  
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  May 31, 2023 8:12am
  - cmm
    
    No, it’s OK thanks.
    
    I’ll see if I can find my misplaced fervour somewhere else.
    
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    May 31, 2023 8:17am
  - Mike
    
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    While Kiwis are increasingly supporting Matariki celebrations, it seems unlikely that many in Aotearoa would have sufficient enthusiasm for Batty King Charlie to compose something to honour his official birthday.
    
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    May 31, 2023 8:26am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      You’ve seen a survey on this surge in support for Matariki that you can point us to?
      
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      May 31, 2023 8:50am
    - RoboRob
      
      Links with numbers please?
      
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      May 31, 2023 9:12am
      - Mike
        
        Sure.
        
        New Zealanders have rated the newest public holiday, Matariki, above Queen’s Birthday a year before the country’s 12th public holiday officially begins.
        According to a poll by Research New Zealand released on Sunday, 43 per cent of respondents thought Matariki was important, with 14 per cent considering it very important.
        That was just above the last-ranked holiday, Queen’s Birthday, which 40 per cent of respondents thought was important, with 13 per cent saying it was very important.
        The most important holiday was Christmas, which 75 per cent of people said was important, followed by Anzac Day (74 per cent), New Year (67 per cent), Easter (60 per cent), Waitangi Day (52 per cent), Labour Day (51 per cent), and regional anniversary days (49 per cent).
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/125497758/matariki-a-more-important-holiday-than-queens-birthday-survey-shows
        
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        May 31, 2023 9:39am
      - graham
        
        Well I have to say, good on you Mike for actually backing your claim up with some stats.
        
        But I notice that despite Stuff‘s best efforts to promote Matariki, what the poll shows is that that New Zealanders consider it less important than Christmas, Anzac Day, New Year, Easter, Waitangi Day, Labour Day, and regional anniversary days.
        
        And as most people would be aware, the wording of the question matters. People polled consider these holidays “important“. What does that actually mean? Important to who? Individuals? The country? Context matters.
        
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        May 31, 2023 9:55am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Mike: Kiwis are increasingly supporting Matariki celebrations (present tense).
        
        Evidence cited: An article in $1uffed from 2 years ago, before the first observation had even taken place!
        
        It’s no wonder you’re a laughing stock milky.
        
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        May 31, 2023 9:59am
      - Ghost
        
        Kiwis would support anything as long as it gets them a day off.
        
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        May 31, 2023 10:04am
      - leoj
        
        A Stuffed poll. Yikes!
        
        You must be joking……
        
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        May 31, 2023 10:55am
      - Xquenda Choudhury
        
        How about this street poll?
        
        “What is Matariki?”
        
        I had some vague idea but I refreshed my memory.
        
        “Matariki is an abbreviation of ‘Ngā Mata o te Ariki Tāwhirimātea (‘The eyes of the god Tāwhirimātea’) and refers to a large cluster of stars, known in some European traditions as the Pleiades. According to Māori tradition, the god of the wind, Tāwhirimātea, was so angry when his siblings separated their parents, Ranginui the sky father and Papatūānuku the earth mother, that he tore out his eyes and threw them into the heavens.”
        
        https://teara.govt.nz/en/matariki-maori-new-year
        
        I am happy to take the day off. However I don’t buy into the sky father and earth mother. I doubt I am alone.
        
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        May 31, 2023 10:55am
      - Mike
        
        for those who could not comprehend the linked article, it did not report a ‘Stuff poll’ (usually garbage), but a poll by an actual survey company.
        
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        May 31, 2023 11:34am
      - Mike
        
        And for Loddentinks;
        It was the first survey I found. Yes, it showed support even before it became a public holiday so, considering few had even thought about Matariki 10 years ago I think it bears out my contention. Unless you could show it is decreasing in popularity (you can’t) then perhaps you are the stock to laugh at.
        
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        May 31, 2023 11:43am
    - mw
      
      The only thin Matariki has going for it as far as participation is that all the primary schools have got on board with it and often have something going over one of the nights with a bbq etc.
      Outside of that, crickets.
      
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      May 31, 2023 9:38am
    - jon
      
      It might come as a shock to you but a lot of people couldnt care a rats arse about Matariki.
      
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      May 31, 2023 9:43am
      - Nickc2
        
        I’ll put my hand up for that!
        
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        May 31, 2023 9:56am
      - Simon
        
        Lol – Matariki what a load of govt.nz fake shit. Its all they can manage these days.
        
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        May 31, 2023 12:15pm
    - Don Beckett
      
      People in Aotearoa can get as enthusiastic as they want for Matariki, but here in New Zealand I’ll give it a pass – chanting & praying to a group of stars & giving them spiritual values smacks of paganism and papatuanuku worship. No thanks.
      
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      May 31, 2023 9:45am
      - kowtow
        
        It’s the new state religion, in what was for lefties particularly ,a once proudly secular country.
        
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        May 31, 2023 10:18am
      - Bullion
        
        Wait until hear about all the pagan rituals at xmas
        
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        May 31, 2023 10:35am
      - Xquenda Choudhury
        
        What alarming is that this stuff is increasingly being included in official government reports with the inference that these gods are real.
        
        https://environment.govt.nz/what-government-is-doing/areas-of-work/land/ministerial-inquiry-into-land-use/
        
        “Papatuanuku is battered and bleeding, Ranginui a fury, and Tane Mahuta bent and breaking.”
        
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        May 31, 2023 11:00am
      - Mike
        
        Bullion has it right – most holidays, Xmas, Easter and all, originate in seasonal festivals that are remarkably similar across cultures.
        
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        May 31, 2023 11:36am
      - Paulus
        
        Baccanalia is more fun !
        
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        May 31, 2023 1:23pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        Don, did you forget about Christmas and Easter?
        With all the chanting and praying about spiritual values???
        
        To many of us that smacks of paganism/religious stuff.
        
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        May 31, 2023 2:17pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Worshipping the created, such as Matariki, rather than the Creator – God – is a age old symptom of a society that rejects God. That Marariki is becoming more important is just a sign of our decline.
        
        The rampant paganism, godlessness and decline of our country will continue until people repent and revere God.
        
        So many on here are concerned about the decline of our great country, the evil of the vaccine, the spread of trans hysteria, increasing crime etc. Attributing this to a move to Marxism over capitalism. But neither philosophy will restore our utopia, only putting God at the centre will do this.
        
        I know for many this isn’t something you can believe in. For me it is clear, until NZ is a Godly country we will continue to regress and decline and our poverty in all forms will increase. And there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
        
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        May 31, 2023 8:08pm
      - david
        
        I’d rather take a road trip in my Subaru than celebrate a sky fairytale.
        
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        May 31, 2023 10:25pm
  - mw
    
    I don’t know why I can’t reply to your stats below but we all know how polls can work and what can influence them.
    Matariki beat out the Queens birthday by only a percent when you also include not important which seems reasonable if you include important. Otherwise there is a 3% gap.
    Also in that stuff article is a reminder that stuff and others ran a campaign and it had a lot of public advocacy from people and media that were in favour.
    During that time before the poll was there any media push for us to embrace the Queens birthday?
    So there was a lot of media support before that poll. it doesnt surprise me but we can look at the results of previous polls and see how they have been moved because of things like this.
    
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    May 31, 2023 9:58am
    - Mike
      
      It was also a poll from a year before it became a public holiday and there is now a different, much less popular, monarch occupying the throne.
      
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      May 31, 2023 11:32am
      - mw
        
        When it became a public holiday has no bearing on the fact that is was in the poll that you referenced following a lot of public advocacy from the government and media.
        
        Anything that has a positive media blitz before a poll will do better in a poll than if that positive media had not happened.
        If it was the other way around and the media were trying to paint the Queens birthday in a very positive light with patriotism and a tie to our roots it would also see a bump in a poll like that.
        I don’t see how you post that and then try to invalidate it somehow? Although if I do think down your track then yes – it was before it was a holiday. Lets check back in some years when there has not been all the media positivity and see where it still stands.
        
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        May 31, 2023 11:47am
      - Mike
        
        Fair enough, time will tell. Personally, I think the trend of recent times, festivals such as Matariki, Diwali and Lunar New Year becoming more popular, will continue.
        
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        May 31, 2023 12:06pm
      - graham
        
        “… there is now a different, much less popular, monarch occupying the throne.”
        
        Queen Elizabeth II reigned for 70 years. King Charles III has reigned for less than one year.
        
        How about we give Charles a chance to see how his popularity does? Feel free to check back in, say, five years, and we’ll judge the progress then.
        
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        May 31, 2023 12:10pm
      - Ghost
        
        5 years? When king William has been on the throne already for 4 years?
        
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        May 31, 2023 12:23pm
  - RightNow
    
    Since they canceled the fireworks for Matariki I think it’s going to be a fizzer
    
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    May 31, 2023 11:18am
- Rusty
  
  @cmm,
  
  Me neither. Some people might think these famous birthdays today 31st May are just as important such as Clint Eastwood aged 93 and the late John Bonham (Led Zeppelin) aged 75.
  
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  May 31, 2023 8:35am
  - Mike
    
    King Charles was born on 14 November 1948, so shares his birthday with Michael Dobbs, who has written some things people have wanted to read. It’s also World Diabetes Day.
    The June date has no real connection to the actual birthday of any of the Saxe-Coburg Gothas.
    
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    May 31, 2023 9:52am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Clint is remarkable. Here are a few of his highlights as director in just the last 20 years, that is, since he was aged 73.
    
    Mystic River, Million Dollar Baby, Invictus, Sully, Gran Torino, The Mule, Richard Jewell.
    
    And that’s just seven of the 16 he’s directed in that time, and not a stinker among them.
    
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    May 31, 2023 10:25am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      You forgot Flags of our Fathers and Letters from Iwo Jima.
      
      Neither starred at the box office, but the telling of the same story from 2 unique perspectives resulted in two critically acclaimed and wonderfully produced movies.
      
      Iwo Jima is the better of the 2, IMHO.
      
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      May 31, 2023 10:40am
- kowtow
  
  Ah but it’s the office that matters .
  
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  May 31, 2023 8:43am
- alex Masterley
  
  I have booked a round of golf to celebrate the event.
  
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  May 31, 2023 8:43am
- greybeard
  
  I sure you will, in another 70 years or so.
  
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  May 31, 2023 9:23am
- MCōs
  
  In Thailand the King’s Birthday, Dec 5, is one of the big day’s of the year. When the previous King was alive maybe a million people would come and listen to him speak a few words.
  He died years ago, but his birthday is still King’s Birthday.
  It is also Father’s Day for good measure.
  
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  May 31, 2023 9:32am
Chuck Bird

It sounds like Luxon now told Hosking that any bilingual traffic signs will be scraped. What do others think.
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May 31, 2023 8:09am
- Flossie
  
  Surely the point of signs, street signs, advertising etc, is to inform not give language lessons.
  
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  May 31, 2023 8:11am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Flossie – exactly.
    
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    May 31, 2023 8:51am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    All part of the Coup that Kiwis are either ignoring or still asleep at the wheel.
    
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    May 31, 2023 10:24am
- Matt Long
  
  I think it sounds like Get Boosted has his own vision of National party policy.
  
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  May 31, 2023 8:11am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    I listened to the interview and Luxon clearly said money will be spent on fixing potholes and improving safety rather than bilingual signs.
    
    If you have a genuine concern with a National or Luxon policy or even better a superior policy idea then please voice it loud and clear.
    
    The continual stream of unsubstantiated national and Luxon abuse is pointless and boring.
    
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    May 31, 2023 8:49am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Mark – which unsubstantiated abuses of National and Luxon are you referring to? Be specific.
      
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      May 31, 2023 8:53am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Have a read of this BFD piece. The author highlights the issues quite eloquently, while also praising some of the policies advocated.
      
      https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/05/31/luxon-steps-out-of-the-shade/
      
      It highlights the problems with their refusal to acknowledge damage done during the last 3 years of covid. Very valid criticism. If you are claiming ‘unsubstantiated abuse’ you need to be specific.
      
      Don’t tell people they have to just forget all about it and support Luxon and National. Tell Luxon and National that this is an easy win for them with minimal downside. Acknowledge the harm and abuse done.
      
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      May 31, 2023 9:26am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Clan. As you know I already voiced my support for action to hold Adern and her lieutenants to account for the massive covid fraud.
        
        But reading on KB Luxon supports te reo signs when he clearly stated he doesn’t is no better than reading Stuff.
        
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        May 31, 2023 9:59am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Mark – I hadn’t read that. I had seen it intimated, and I’m glad Luxon managed to clarify their position.
        
        The bizarre part of all this is that he needed to, the confusion was caused by Bishop apparently overruling Simeon Brown who had voiced this position very clearly, much to my delight at the time.
        I know the media often cause deliberate confusion, but this looked like mixed messaging from National?
        
        Glad it’s been cleared up though. Moves National up 4 points in my internal polling. lol
        
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        May 31, 2023 10:18am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Ditching some of his ties to Labour. Not before time. He has been crying on Labour’s shoulder for a long time. No more Labour Lite!
        Also in that piece, those blisters on that teen. Someone’s arse should be sued for this.
        Luxon should set his sights on Labour’s corruption. The lies! Then those other clowns, Blofeld, Baker, Plant, and the pink terror. It’s not as if there is nothing for Luxon to get his teeth into.
        
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        May 31, 2023 10:38am
      - Matt Long
        
        It Chris Get Boosted Bishop, Mark, that’s his own title that he chose for himself and nothing to do with Luxon.
        Why Bishop chose to undercut National’s transport spokesman and leader is a troublesome question.
        
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        May 31, 2023 11:36am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Matt. I’ve asked you a few times now without a coherant response.
        
        Who should we vote for?
        why?
        What was your preferred party’s Stance on the covid vaccine in 2020/21?
        What experience does your preferred leader have facilitating successful change in large organisations?
        What are the chances your preferred party will be elected and implement enduring policy?
        
        You never know putting some research and thought into your answers might give you more joy than baseless name calling.
        
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        May 31, 2023 12:14pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Matt. Is it the case that you don’t want to answer because it will give away your devotion to the labour party?
        
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        May 31, 2023 3:29pm
- Dougal10
  
  Think he said fix the road first then look at other things. This is what Brown said until Willis and Bishop undercut him.
  
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  May 31, 2023 8:11am
  - Bullion
    
    The bilingual signs only go up when previous sign needs replacing or new sign required. So, yes I agree with Brown, signs as part of the roading infrastructure need to be replaced when needed and what better way than with bilingual signs – and I don’t care if its virtue signalling because I lose nothing from them being bilingual.
    
    All this comes across like white fragility to me.
    
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    May 31, 2023 10:53am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The extra signage on each sign will make it more costly
      
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      May 31, 2023 12:49pm
      - Bullion
        
        Of the cost to produce and install a sign, what % do you think the extra printing will cost?
        
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        May 31, 2023 1:08pm
      - Sponge
        
        “Of the cost to produce and install a sign, what % do you think the extra printing will cost?”
        
        A few million here, and a few million there soon add up to real amounts of money. It is typical of this wasteful government with no respect for nett taxpayers.
        
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        May 31, 2023 1:54pm
      - Burtland
        
        they will have spent millions before any got put up – its Government
        
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        May 31, 2023 3:29pm
    - Paulus
      
      I bet the existing signs get renewed much more quickly !
      
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      May 31, 2023 1:26pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Willis never mentioned the signs as far as I have seen, and Luxon himself stated before Brown that he was worried about the safety aspect of bilingual signs
    
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    May 31, 2023 12:48pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  They just need to say they agree to place names being dual, but traffic signs are for safety and they don’t believe dual language will help, and may actually cause problems and potentially accidents.
  
  Simple.
  
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  May 31, 2023 8:19am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    So Tauranga will have an English name?
    
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    May 31, 2023 8:43am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Safe anchorage according to the google machine.
      
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      May 31, 2023 10:41am
    - leoj
      
      You’re on to it.
      Only the english names will be dual.
      That’s the cunning plan.
      The maori takeover will proceed.
      
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      May 31, 2023 11:04am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        “The maori Coup will proceed.”
        FIFY
        
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        May 31, 2023 1:17pm
  - nathie
    
    Yes this highlights the beauty of simplicity – it’s so easy to understand (that anyone can …. so c’mon National)!
    
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    May 31, 2023 8:45am
- Gravelroad
  
  @Chuck-
  I think the discussion about bilingual traffic signs is a waste of time and energy when there are so many other serious issues being ignored or lied about by the government.
  Whichever Labour strategist thought up this distraction must be very pleased with the results.
  Get the peasants up in arms about road signs and we can shove in some other more outrageous social engineering projects while they are not looking.
  
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  May 31, 2023 8:19am
  - nathie
    
    Yes! It is a distraction! Interesting to see last night that Chippie couldn’t “translate” Waka Kotahi and Te Papa.
    
    Even woke Labour can’t explain why they are enabling this and what it means.
    
    If one can’t explain it, then surely one shouldn’t be doing it?
    
    The other thing is translating Govt departments and entities to have a Maori name. Usually the Maori names are like a metaphor. (No wonder why Chippie had problems translating last night).
    
    So perhaps why bother having them, or only use them where they appropriate and meaningful (eg “NZ Govt” or “Forest and Fisheries” can be translated to Maori in a meaningful way).
    
    And therefore stop forcing all departments and entities to use them when there are no obvious translations (eg “IRD” would be a good example)!
    
    By forcing all departments and entities it means $millions are wasted on consultancy and design plus a loss of productivity as key staff and management time is side tracked.
    
    Sure there can be a place for metaphors but not all the time!
    
    For example Victoria University becomes Te Herenga Waka, which apparently means “This is also the name of our marae and means the mooring place of canoes”. Seriously WTF??!!! This means nothing special for VUW – anyone or entity could use this!
    
    Enough is enough with metaphors, either have a direct Maori translation or just don’t bother because it does not apply in that situation. There is nothing wrong with this!
    
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    May 31, 2023 9:02am
    - CausticAcrostic
      
      Not to mention that metaphorical names are meant to have more associated mana. Mana is stronger when it is earned. If the service doesn’t live up to the name, the mana is diminished. It could almost be seen as attack on traditional Maori culture.
      
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      May 31, 2023 9:37am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Mana is ‘power.’ Power in the respect sense, not the power of physical strength.
        
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        May 31, 2023 10:50am
    - Taieri
      
      Usually the Maori names are like a metaphor.
      ————
      
      There’re precedents for that in the English speaking world.
      The Ministry of Love
      The Ministry of Plenty
      The Ministry of Peace
      and of course
      The Ministry of Truth
      
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      May 31, 2023 9:44am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Hipkins was asked what do they mean, he had no idea
      
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      May 31, 2023 12:51pm
  - Bullion
    
    Who’s talking about it? Its a distraction purely of National’s making.
    
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    May 31, 2023 10:55am
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      It is in the news.
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/132106319/bilingual-traffic-signs-in-te-reo-mori-edge-closer-to-reality
      And people have a right to an opinion around where government efforts are placed.
      A bit like Tamiti Coffey being publically proud that Maori numbers were placed on the elevators in parliament.
      Whoop Dee Doo. Priorities.
      And then Labour MPs are also part of the conversation – scoring points in the other direction:
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132176328/kiri-allan-calls-out-national-for-dog-whistle-doubles-down-on-bilingual-signs#:~:text=%E2%80%9CThis%20is%20a%20dog%20whistle,New%20Zealanders%20and%20our%20IQ.%E2%80%9D
      
      And then the left/Labour admirers on social media have a lot to say along partisan lines too, around Daaats Waaacist; if people don’t like the idea (or see it in a wider context around all things Maori in recent times).
      Strong feelings on both sides here…almost like both sides care and think it is important?
      Yes, seems odd. But the emotion is within a context and pattern of behaviour since 2017.
      
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      May 31, 2023 1:08pm
- cmm
  
  The best way to deal with idiot policies is to embrace and extend them. Extend them to the point where they are meaningless.
  
  Labour: We’ll give you bilingual traffic signs.
  National: We’ll give you bilingual traffic signs with the Maori bits written in pre-colonial script.
  
  Let’s see if Luxon has the balls for that (with or without the t).
  
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  May 31, 2023 8:20am
  - Mike
    
    Logic (not always preferred in Kiwiblog comments) would then dictate that someone with ‘balls’ from the National Party should also demand the removal of all public signs in Māori on the grounds that using the Latin alphabet is wrong.
    
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    May 31, 2023 8:38am
    - cmm
      
      Someone with REAL balls would point out that there has been no reasonable explanation for the continued existence of the Maori roll.
      
      It should have been done away with the introduction of universal male suffrage: 19 December 1879.
      
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      May 31, 2023 8:55am
      - kowtow
        
        Even the argument over that has somehow morphed into a race exclusivity issue being; “when the Maoris want to change the status then that’ll be time to do it’
        
        How come that logic doesn’t apply to other ethnic or interest groups ?
        
        ie only landlords should determine rent rules etc
        
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        May 31, 2023 9:19am
    - RightNow
      
      Maori had no written language.
      Logic would actually dictate that they stop reading and writing.
      
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      May 31, 2023 11:22am
      - RightNow
        
        /sarc
        
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        May 31, 2023 11:31am
      - oldfella
        
        Maori had no written language.
        Logic would actually dictate that they stop reading and writing.
        
        According to the dismal school attendance stats, I suspect a lot of them have done that already.
        
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        May 31, 2023 11:53am
      - Che Guava
        
        Slightly tangential, but the written word only really came into common usage in the Western tradition around the time of Plato in the 4th century BC. It existed, but was not ubiquitous.
        
        There is an excellent work from the 60s called Preface to Plato by Eric Havelock about this. Havelock’s thesis was that the reason Plato was so (apparently oddly) dismissive of “the Poets” as conduits of knowledge and truth in his Republic was because, while they later on appeared as written works, figures like Homer and Hesiod came from a strictly oral tradition, wherein their works were literary narratives, but also something like “verbal encyclopedias” that transmitted culture practices and knowledge via the rythmyc word. Woven into the stories was “how to do X” passages that were repeated and repeated, because story telling was a means of passing on and sustaining cultural practices and ideas. Plato thought that this was an imprecise mode of knowledge transmission.
        
        Without covering the entire argument, Plato brought in the written treatise, the philosophical dialogue and scientific investigation, and with them, whole new conceptual schemes and ways of thinking about the world that differed from those of a strictly (or heavily) oral tradition.
        
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        May 31, 2023 12:49pm
      - Paulus
        
        Understand that at the time of signing of the treaty there were only some disparate 30,000 people who called themselves Maori and they came from all parts of the country not yet having a common language, except grunts and signs, and the thought of such as reading and writing and the wheel were never considered.
        Maori have come a long way since then in conjunction with the colonialists – but I stil l do not know how many part Maori there are as the current and last censuses are fraudulent.
        
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        May 31, 2023 1:33pm
  - Random T Person
    
    A good old bit of reductio ad absurdum. I like it.
    
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    May 31, 2023 9:08am
    - Mike
      
      Me too.
      
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      May 31, 2023 11:46am
- hullkiwi
  
  He told Hosking & Bridge that bilingual signs is not the priority to fixing the roads. He was very clear, the money will go to fixing the road network.
  
  I heard/saw two of Luxon’s interviews this morning, he was strong, got his points across and did not let either Bridge or Hosking dominate him, or force any cringing embarrassments!
  
  But being this unequivocal wasn’t enough for those Act supports listening to Hosking. Despite Luxon not flip flopping to Hosking, and Luxon even using Hosking’s language back at Hosking, Act supporters still say he is spineless. Just maybe these people would do Act and National a favour if they listened just once to what is being said, before hitting their keyboards.
  
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  May 31, 2023 8:29am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Agreed, I have said it lots of times he interviews very strongly, none of a Labour MPs beating around the bush.
    
    Not sure if anyone watched Bishop on ones on Sunday with the idiot Tame, he was brilliant, he was actually angry at Tames obfuscation, and he pulled him up yo fix the lies he was trying to report
    
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    May 31, 2023 12:44pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Not sure why ‘ACT supporters’ are a reviled and mistrusted group by some on KB.
    On a Venn diagram there would be some overlap with act supporters and critics of aspects of Luxon or the National party, but I dare say others overlapping are National voters; former or wavering.
    That said, the relentlessly negative folk about Luxon or the Nats are boring. Just as much as failure to see the misfires by the Nats.
    I would rather that we call it as we see it – when he does well, he does well. When he does not he does not.
    Luxon seems to be hitting a few of the right notes lately, but he is still fairly new to the game and would benefit from better public perception.
    I don’t think these things would be much up for debate.
    
    Some basic tips for the Nats:
    1) Keep on message around a few big topics that matter to the public: Law, Health, Economy etc.
    Road signs, and even retirement age, are topics to let die ASAP.
    2) Start to reveal alternative ideas on those big topics, rather than just rely on Labour being awful.
    3) Remember – the media is the enemy. Watch your back at all times.
    4) Also remember – more and more people don’t like the media or trust MSM. So being super nice to the media is not actually an absolute requirement. Showing a bit of mongrel might not hurt (and come across as passionate/principled).
    
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    May 31, 2023 1:31pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      Fuzzy, you ask why are Act supporters so reviled by KBers?
      
      Because despite any number of them writing or saying they want rid of the Coalition of Chaos, they then in their next breath attack National & Luxon. If you listen to Hosking’s show from this morning you will hear what I mean. The obvious question is, do they want to remain in opposition?
      
      These dimwitted Act followers seem to overlook that MMP requires teamwork, and whether you like what is being said or not, you don’t go public and kick the “captain” of your partner team in public. Disunity in politics is costly, as is bad timing. Yes, calling out shortcomings may be necessary, but don’t you think those working behind the scenes don’t see it too, and pass on the appropriate message.
      
      National have already published policies where there is clear water with Labour eg Education, ECE (although Labour tried to close the gap in the budget, they failed by adding small print), Infrastructure Planning (not a topic to excite voters), Housing, Taxation.
      
      Law & Order is planned, but will not be released while Labour have a chance to cherry pick what works for them.
      
      The government are providing much fertile ground for National/Act, but remember oppositions don’t win elections, governments lose them. However, oppositions must still provide a unified, positive front, with solid policy presented in a manner that highlights the government’s weaknesses/failings.
      
      Luxon & the team are now doing it, I recommend people start listening.
      
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      May 31, 2023 6:02pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Hullkiwi – do you think kicking the National Captain in public happens more by act supporters on KB Or two of his team being in conflict on bilingual road signs in the MSM?
        
        It’s not necessarily Luxon that is at fault but having two of the senior players arguing about whether they are kicking for touch or the three points is a very bad look.
        
        I’m not an ACT or National member but want rid of this current government. Both Right of Labour parties need to lift their game!
        
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        May 31, 2023 8:20pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  What’s Te Reo for ‘Watch Out for Potholes”?
  
  But seriously, what National should do is announce a dedicated fund for Te Reo in the arts: books, films, plays, TV shows. There is plenty of low value arts funding already that can be diverted for this purpose. It’s a way to meaningfully promote Te Reo without pointless duplication of effort all over the place. Let English be the language of business, road signs, or whatever.
  
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  May 31, 2023 8:29am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    RUA would be pothole
    
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    May 31, 2023 12:53pm
- Nickc2
  
  1. Since when has the NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) been in the business of teaching languages?
  
  2. Is this Govt going to cave into demands that product packaging also be published in that New Age language called Te Reo?
  
  3. Where will this end and for what purpose?
  
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  May 31, 2023 8:40am
  - Xquenda Choudhury
    
    As I commented yesterday, every government agency now has a Maori name, listed in directories as the predominant name. I doubt that one person in a thousand could mane one of them.
    
    What is the Maori name for the Treasury? Or ACC?
    
    If that doesn’t work I doubt that the Maori term for “Give Way” will cause people to embrace the lavguage.
    
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    May 31, 2023 9:12am
    - Nickc2
      
      IMO, the people who should benefit most from bi-lingual signs are not among those who obey them, no matter what language they’re written in!
      Kati mena ka tohehia e nga pirihimana
      (Stop if being pursued by Police)
      
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      May 31, 2023 9:24am
      - Ehlana
        
        Ryan Bridges offered a compromise sign this morning. It had a picture of a vehicle falling into a pothole, with the word pothole in English and Maori below it.
        
        Chris Luxon pointed out that an awful lot of those signs would be needed.
        
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        May 31, 2023 10:27am
      - Ehlana
        
        And am I the only one who thinks piranha whenever they see the Police Maori name?
        
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        May 31, 2023 10:28am
      - david
        
        Shades of pidgin in this artificial language!
        
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        May 31, 2023 10:38pm
    - Paulus
      
      I want the English name for Tauranga where I live so I can find how to get there with the current serious traffic stuff ups.
      
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      May 31, 2023 1:37pm
  - Xquenda Choudhury
    
    The real problem is that an increasing number of adults cannot read packaging, safety instructions or bus timetables. These people are disproportionately Maori who are functionally illiterate in English.
    
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    May 31, 2023 9:15am
    - Jimbo666
      
      Does this mean because they can speak maori then they automatically can read written maori?
      
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      May 31, 2023 1:24pm
- Ruawai
  
  Looking at the signs they all have Maori at the top which actually makes it quite confusing as your eyes naturally go to the top of a sign. When driving it needs to be a quick glance to read a sign even for place names and bus lanes not just safety signs. If they have to have bilingual signs at least put the language almost all people speak at the top.
  
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  May 31, 2023 8:45am
  - Stephen
    
    National’s Harete Hipango said there should be Te Reo on signs as it was an official language. I sent her an email asking her if that were the case, should they add braille and sign language.
    
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    May 31, 2023 8:54am
    - kowtow
      
      In that case , by her logic, the English signs should all be removed .
      
      I’d warrant there’s practically no one in parliament who could properly conduct a days business there purely in Maori.
      
      Or classes in school .
      
      Or the military.
      
      Or the police .
      
      Or social welfare.
      
      Or local govt.
      
      Or IRD.
      
      Etc
      
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      May 31, 2023 9:27am
    - Bullion
      
      Wow, Stephen [Mod – abuse deleted] over here doesn’t realise that Braille is tactile so would require blind motorists (of which he thinks must be a thing) to firstly be able to see the sign (which they can’t as they’re blind) then stop and feel the Braille to get the information required. Yes, totally not a waste of time for an MP or any person to contemplate over.
      
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      May 31, 2023 11:04am
      - Stephen
        
        Hmmm. You don’t often see the funny side of things do you. It was a “tongue in cheek comment”, about the braille and sign language , just to make a point.
        
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        May 31, 2023 12:46pm
      - Bullion
        
        Wow, this comedian totally got me with Braille on road signs and asking a Nat MP to consider it…so funny, much laughter all around, no eye rolling at all. Point WELL made Stephen, WELL made. We all got it.
        
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        May 31, 2023 1:11pm
      - david
        
        If a man can have a baby, why can’t a blind person drive a car.?
        
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        May 31, 2023 10:40pm
      - Ghost
        
        They can, have t you seen some of the idiot drivers on the road, I’m sure they are blind……
        
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        May 31, 2023 11:07pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Media made it that the Māori MPs are revolting over this, the two they spoke to said they have a different opinion to Brown, hardly revolting
      
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      May 31, 2023 12:55pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Not having braille on road signs would be discrimination against blind people who identify as sighted drivers.
      
      The really funny thing about Bullion’s reaction to Stephen’s “tongue in cheek comment” is that Bullion likely believes that trans-woman are woman and can get pregnant – and in the spirit of Lewis Carroll’s Queen, if one can believe in one impossible thing then why not another?
      
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      May 31, 2023 1:32pm
      - Bullion
        
        Wow. I identify as X jokes now.
        
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        May 31, 2023 2:25pm
  - RoboRob
    
    That’s the issue with all this nonsense. The whole point of language is communication. The best communication is clear and understandable. Shot gunning Maori words into English paragraphs or adding extra words to signs or names reduces the clarity and does nothing to help the Maori or their language.
    
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    May 31, 2023 9:18am
    - Flossie
      
      I heard a couple of Maori outside a takeaway having a chat in their language. Good for them. Except when the situation became heated they lapsed into English in order to throw insults at each other.
      
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      May 31, 2023 10:49am
- redeye
  
  Escalating crime, cost of living out of control, a failing health service, poor education outcomes & soaring debt are just some of the failures of this useless government.
  IMO bloody road signs are nothing but a distraction created by the Labour comms team that also doubles as an opportunity for their media mates to attack the right with.
  Why is this being raised in an election year.?
  
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  May 31, 2023 9:15am
  - Bullion
    
    Why don’t you ask Brown and National why they raised this issue, in an election year no less?
    
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    May 31, 2023 11:16am
- Mummy
  
  I think they should all be in sign language.
  
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  May 31, 2023 9:16am
- MCōs
  
  I just talked to our Thai friend who runs a fish and chip shop near Wellington.
  She said having Māori language on signs is rubbish.
  I said to her why do they have English on all the signs in Thailand? Where she comes from nobody understands a word.
  She laughed. I laughed. We all laughed.
  
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  May 31, 2023 10:07am
  - RightNow
    
    Lol that’s funny, but not because of why you think it is.
    
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    May 31, 2023 11:35am
  - RightNow
    
    I assume you had this conversation in Thai since she apparently doesn’t understand English?
    
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    May 31, 2023 2:11pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    MCos you are a genius – let’s add another language to our road signs so the majority of international visitors can read the signs.
    
    Now what language would that be?
    
    Maori – Across the world including NZ nobody understands a word.
    
    She laughed. He laughed. We all laughed.
    
    But not the poor NZ taxpayer who had to pay for this foolishness.
    
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    May 31, 2023 8:30pm
- leoj
  
  Yes, scrape the maori name off.
  
  Otherwise, they should be scrapped.
  
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  May 31, 2023 10:58am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He stated on morning report that staff will be focused on fixing roads and not side tracked by costly signage, sounds like they won’t get the chance
  
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  May 31, 2023 12:41pm
Dougal10

The media have a story that primary teachers are considering a new offer from the ministry. No mention that the meeting highschool teachers had with robbo must have turned to shit , just received notice about the kids being rostered home starting tomorrow and running through next week .
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May 31, 2023 8:09am
- RoboRob
  
  The (primary) teachers who care so much about our children, are taking this afternoon off so that they can read the new offer. The ECE Union just emailed it out to them and they could vote electronically. The Primary teachers feel the need to take the afternoon off.
  
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  May 31, 2023 9:20am
  - Ghost
    
    Good. I hope they enjoy their day off. I have no problem with them taking an afternoon off, or striking, so long as parents remember come election all the strikes the public sector have had under the labour government
    
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    May 31, 2023 9:23am
    - plc
      
      It is a fully paid stopwork meeting…you and I pick up the tab
      
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      May 31, 2023 12:51pm
- Burtland
  
  Unions getting their pay claims in before their partisan government gets tossed out
  
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  May 31, 2023 10:25am
- stiff cheese
  
  What’s the retention rate of teachers year-on-year? I worked it out to be 96.4 percent .. So a few retire each year, some die, some choose a career change. I suggest 96.4 is a sign there’s NOT A PROBLEM.
  
  Also, why do they hold up placards comparing their pay to nurses and police? (1) Nurses are out there saving lives. (2) Police are putting their bodies at risk (let’s imagine for a moment Albert Park didn’t happen). What’s the biggest stressful moment for teachers? Is it the rush to leave the car park at 3pm.?
  
  Look it’s obvious: if pay & conditions are broadly acceptable then the staff retention rate will be pretty high, as it currently is — so therefore NO pay rise needed.
  
  Get back to teaching phonics (or whatever they want to call it to save face after scrapping it all those years ago)…. and stop preaching Climate Alarmism propaganda to kids; stop encouraging them to take days off for Climate protesting. (Yeah, you’ll have to go in to work that day, sorry ’bout that).
  
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  May 31, 2023 12:04pm
  - miltonF
    
    96.4% retention? Isn’t that really high? I think we might have a different problem. Those numbers make me think it’s impossible to fire bad teachers. Which also means that it is impossible to replace them with good teachers. Could be the cause of some of our education problems. My opinion is that the industry is increasingly focused on the wellbeing of teachers and children’s education comes second. That is what happens when the workers take control of an industry. The outcome/product and entire purpose of the industry becomes superseded by the workers demands. It is one reason why communism never works.
    
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    May 31, 2023 4:57pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Things have changed, the strikes are back on
  
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  May 31, 2023 12:57pm
Jim

Safe and Effective?

In addition to the now widely evidenced fact of an unprecedented number of serious harms from mRNA vaccination (typically 1 serious harm for every 800 administrations) that demonstrates an unacceptable risk management (harm vs benefit) ratio for the broad population (not everyone).

In the attached link, Dr John Campbell relays (16 minutes) World Health Organisation Covid-19 Research Database reporting on Multiple Sclerosis Journal 28 (3 Supplemental): 776 2022 entitled:

“Covid-19 vaccination can induce multiple sclerosis via cross reactive CD4+T Cells recognising SARS COV 2 spike proteins and myelin peptides”

https://youtu.be/I9S2jooTxkQ
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May 31, 2023 8:10am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Send it to David Seymour, he tells me the vaccines are safe and effective and they haven’t harmed anyone.
  He tells me I’m clinging to total lunacy for even suggesting the vaccines have caused injury and death.
  How does someone engage with someone as fact deaf as this? How can someone ignore this and vote for someone who is unable to admit the most basic facts re harms and deaths caused by the vaccines?
  I could understand if he was disagreeing with the level of harm, but he’s totally denying there is any.
  
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  May 31, 2023 8:59am
  - Xquenda Choudhury
    
    Even putting aside “safe”, how can the vaccines be effective? We have one of the highest rates of vaccination globally and 2.5 million COVID cases and counting.
    
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    May 31, 2023 9:19am
    - The Boss
      
      The 2.5 million are the REPORTED cases. Most people I know did not register theirs.
      
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      May 31, 2023 9:53am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Mr Springsteen, remember also, the testing regime is farcical. PCR testing at 45 CT and RAT that is less than 50% effective.
        Everyone in the country has probably had it by now. Those with the most vaccines and boosters will have had it multiple times.
        
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        May 31, 2023 11:01am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      XC – that’s the entirety of my point to those staunch National supporters insisting that I and others have to totally ignore the herd of pachyderms in the room, or pretend we didn’t see them, and give National and/or Act our undying support.
      
      I want to.
      
      All I ask in return is a simple acknowledgment of some very basic and provable facts. That the jabs aren’t effective would be a start, but nor are they safe, particularly for young people.
      
      We know Labour deliberately removed this critical information, likely because it would have (rightly) discouraged young people from getting jabbed.
      National and Act also know this, but they have never spoken out about it. Why?
      
      Seymour repeated this week that he thinks the vaccines are effective, in spite of the mountain of evidence to the contrary. Why?
      
      Our all cause mortality this year is up 18% compared to the previous 5 years prior to 2020. Seymour continues to spread the misinformation that over the last 3 years NZ had reduced all cause mortality.
      Technically correct, because we were locked down and had our borders closed, nobody was going anywhere or doing anything. Nobody was getting flu, which normally accounts for over 600 deaths per year. Of course mortality reduced.
      But the important thing is, since the jabs were rolled out, mortality numbers have been on the rise. They are alarming currently, but nobody will talk about it.
      
      So please National/Act supporters, don’t tell me I ‘have to vote for you or Labour might get back in’, tell your politicians to have the spine to at least admit there might have been one or two problems with the response and their support of it.
      
      That’s not even meeting us halfway. But it’s a start.
      
      Do that and I’ll stop wondering who to vote for and won’t tediously remind people that other than a few irrelevant tweaks, National/Act fully supported the covid policies of Labour/Greens.
      
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      May 31, 2023 10:14am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        The fact is you do not need to have jabs anymore, move in fFS, the rest of the country has, I was sent text to get a free jab last week, I text back, piss off, I don’t want anymore of this shit
        
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        May 31, 2023 12:59pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        G – apparently you and many other National/Act supporters can’t, or more likely, willfully won’t address what I’m saying. I can’t make it any clearer.
        
        I’m guessing this is because you know what I’m asking is fair and undoubtedly the right thing to do. But the gutless, overpaid politicians in parliament are terrified of admitting this was all wrong. Even though pretty much everybody knows this to be true.
        
        I want an acknowledgment from ANYONE in parliament that what happened was wrong. They can couch it how they like, they were lied to, they felt like it was the right thing to do based on the information they had at the time, whatever.
        
        So no, I’m personally not moving on. We were all wronged, everyone in the country. But those of us who chose not to take part in this experiment were treated worst of all. The abuse and punishment was horrific.
        Asking for someone to stand up, acknowledge this and state plainly, we won’t make the same mistake again, that isn’t too much to ask. No apologies if National/Act supporters find that frustrating.
        
        Why is this apparently too much to ask for?
        
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        May 31, 2023 2:12pm
      - Keith White
        
        This, CM, this. Thank you for articulating it so plainly.
        
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        May 31, 2023 7:39pm
      - mawm
        
        Clan – Limp National will not address it. ACT who support bodily autonomy and sovereignty when it comes to abortion and euthanasia will not address it and neither will address the proposed WHO pandemic treaty which takes away both. But, hey, look the road signs are in Te Reo and we’ll change that. This reminds me of the dishonesty of Key with sending Sharples off to NY to sign UNDRIP and his “flag referendum” to hide the TPP from us. The National shills on KB keep on asking for specifics but will not answer simple questions that bother us. As a (previously) National supporter, who voted (strategically) Seymour for electorate seat and party for National I get told vote for a “centre left” National or we’ll get a left Labour.
        
        These are people who want to be my representative in running the country but are unwilling to represent me…….. because, you know, we have to bow to the centre left to win. Well they can if they want to but do not expect me to vote for you.
        
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        May 31, 2023 8:33pm
  - Bullion
    
    David Seymour does such a better job rejecting conspiracies than National candidates.
    
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    May 31, 2023 11:20am
    - Jim
      
      ‘All cause mortality’ consistently running 10-15% above typical pre 2021 national averages is no conspiracy…..it’s fact, here is the data. It should be subject to public enquiry, as (previously) I remember the mantra was “one death was too many”
      
      I’ve added a few comparisons, and you may notice a simple trend in countries that worshipped at the alter of lockdowns and mRNA vaccination. Expand the data and time base and (perhaps) your mind.
      
      https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-average-baseline?country=NZL~SWE~HUN~ISR~ALB~GBR~USA~CAN
      
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      May 31, 2023 1:08pm
      - Bullion
        
        Not just easier to see cumulative excess deaths per million over that time period rather than weekly/monthly % fluctuations over time?
        
        https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-per-million-covid?tab=chart&country=NZL~SWE~ISR~GBR~USA
        
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        May 31, 2023 1:40pm
      - mawm
        
        Bullion – I see you spelled “denying” wrong.
        
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        May 31, 2023 8:36pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Jim – that’s exactly what I’ll be doing. I’ll make my decision closer to the time. Once I’ve looked at all the options.
      
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      May 31, 2023 2:15pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Bullion – if you fell for Seymour’s childish statistical obfuscation then I feel sorry for you.
      He chose the time frame to suit his narrative.
      
      Try looking at the period since the vaccines were first rolled out. Then compare to the LONG TERM statistics. Not the last 3 years which included the border closures and lockdowns which skewed the statistics ludicrously.
      
      I’m not claiming it’s all vaccine related, no doubt there are numerous reasons people are dying in increased numbers, but they are pretty much all related to the policies imposed during covid. They aren’t covid deaths.
      
      Anyway, tell me about this ‘conspiracy theory’ David rejected and how he managed that. If I’ve got it wrong I’ll acknowledge.
      
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      May 31, 2023 2:28pm
  - Jim
    
    I don’t disagree, but we’re potentially screwed then Clan. I can’t name any NZ politician who has publicly acknowledged the (now broad worldwide evidence) supporting unreasonable harm (and poor efficacy) levels of mRNA vaccines.
    In terms of voting, we have to chose our priorities from what is on offer.
    
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    May 31, 2023 11:22am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Hi Clan,
    Nice of him to reply, but I hope you aren’t going back to him again and again to beat him around the chops with links to ‘evidence’ sites.
    
    I kind of tune out myself.
    Covid was a thing that happened years ago.
    Never forget, but the world has moved onto other things.
    The Covid response was simply a huge global brain fart.
    I think Hanlon’s razor applies here.
    
    The myth of people dropping dead in the street from Covid is about the same with the vaccine causing ongoing issues blindness, cancer, clots, disco fever, rocking pneumonia and achey breaky heart (in fact, the vaccine will inflict almost every malady known to man, from what I hear).
    
    I am dubious about mRNA interventions, and didn’t want to get the jab at all. But done is done.
    Some people died from the so-called vaccine, but the ‘vaccine’ itself was so limited and short term that you had to keep dosing up. The idea that there is an ongoing/open ended medical sword of Pericles hanging above every people who had the jab is just about hysterical.
    Statistics are being manipulated by both sides, and I simply don’t care for either.
    I know of no person that either died from the Kungflu or the jab. The rise in violent crime, mental health and the break down of the health system however are all issues that we can expect to affect if not ourselves, then people we know and/or love.
    Delays in cancer screening, surgery waiting lists, staffing issues in the health sector, inability to see specialists, all this has a real impact – no great imagination required.
    
    In comparison, Covid & the jab has as much bearing on my life (and others people’s, I would suggest) as the fear of being struck down by lightening.
    ……But consider this” In 2023, a “rat coffin” (i.e. a humble meat pie) costs $6 in a bakery.
    Now, that is an issue that I really care about!
    
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    May 31, 2023 1:56pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Fuzzy – I appreciate your comments and understand the sentiment.
      
      I’ll disagree with you re the long term impacts of these jabs. I truly hope you are right and it isn’t a sword of Damocles. But some evidence shows that the vaccine is damaging the innate immune system. Potentially it means anyone getting another illness or disease, like the ones you mention, will be at a disadvantage in fighting that disease. We’re seeing increases in aggressive cancers in particular.
      
      I know, correlation is not causation, but when there are alarming signals they should be investigated.
      There ARE alarming signals. 18% increase in all cause mortality over the long term statistics is alarming to my mind.
      
      I know several damaged people. I know of several friends and acquaintances who died before their time. Apparently of other things, but nobody did the checks required to see if vaccine was involved.
      
      Nobody wants to even consider it, and I understand why – if it was proven that their deaths were due to vaccines, the fallout would be unimaginable.
      
      Of course I can’t prove this, but I believe it based on the experts who I have been following. Experts who have been consistently right in their predictions from the beginning.
      
      So I wish everyone luck going forward. The only thing that we have at this point in time is statistics, they point to the fact that all cause mortality is increasing alarmingly, but apparently not enough for anyone in officialdom or in parliament to raise this as a concern or to attempt to investigate why it is happening.
      
      I’ll be keeping an eye on the numbers. I’m carrying on with my life, I’m in a good place physically and mentally. I don’t ramble on here for fun, nor because this thing consumes me. I do it because it needs talked about. Pretending there’s “nothing to see here” isn’t going to make the issues go away.
      
      Most importantly for me, all of the nightmare policies used during covid are still in place and available for any government to implement again. Maybe another ‘pandemic’. Maybe ‘climate change’?
      
      Cheers for the measured response, I appreciate it. You may well be correct and I hope you are. The alternative is alarming to say the least.
      
      Cheers.
      
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      May 31, 2023 2:53pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        Clan,
        Thanks for your measured reply,
        
        Cheers also.
        
        And Damocles, as you gave it. Not Pericles as I. Opps.
        
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        May 31, 2023 2:55pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      And I am very concerned about the price of a mince and cheese pie. Shocking, I might have to start making my own!
      
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      May 31, 2023 2:55pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        … Mod – double post
        
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        May 31, 2023 3:04pm
    - Jim
      
      I think many informed people see the past 3 years as a potential view into our immediate future. I hope for the best but I fear it’s unlikely to be behind us as the WHO seem persistent upon global governance (or is it fascism)?
      
      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/05/25/who-pandemic-treaty-lockdown-uk-ministers-fear/
      
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      May 31, 2023 6:49pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Rodney had a guest on his program on RCR this week that said there is some work by John Gibson (?) a very good mathematical analyst, that shows that there are no excess deaths if a pre-Covid population regression growth rate is used. However, if you use a population growth rate that reflects the fact that borders were closed then excess deaths are tracking at 4%. Apparently commonly used datasets, such as those I assume David is using, are based on artificially high regression rates.
    
    I have found David willing to consider data and facts in the past. Perhaps providing him with John Gibsons analysis would be worthwhile.
    
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    May 31, 2023 8:39pm
- Burtland
  
  from MoH 12,459,888 doses administered
  at 1:800 then
  15,500 cases of serious harm
  
  7,450 grannies saved
  
  2x more harmed than saved
  
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  May 31, 2023 10:45am
  - Jim
    
    Agree Burt.
    
    The NZ medicine regulator, Medsafe AEFI database appears to have been used for chicanery to obscure the facts from public view.
    
    Pre 2021, the AEFI database used to have weekly reporting on Adverse Effects Following Immunisation (AEFI) which were generally very short and sweet.
    There was a significant step change in early June 2021 when the multitude of cardiac and other serious side effects were reported in abundance related to comirnaty.
    
    It should be noted that Medsafe doesn’t allow public visibility of those previous short and sweet pre-covid reports, but has since re-numbered the AEFI index with #1 from 07Apr21! I can only assume Medsafe has ‘memory holed’ the previous reports.
    
    However it’s clear from AEFI #1 that the reporting increased in complexity and volume of adverse effects, that led to Medsafe changing reporting frequency from weekly to every 3 months! Somewhat even more questionably, there has been no public reports for the 5 months of 2023?!
    
    Take a look:
    https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/vaccine-report-overview.asp
    
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    May 31, 2023 12:32pm
    - Burtland
      
      you might find them in the waybackmachine
      
      https://web.archive.org/web/20210213163118/https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/monitoring-process.asp
      
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      May 31, 2023 2:00pm
      - Jim
        
        Sorry Burtland but after 20 minute search it appears there is no public archive of previous AEFI reports. Perhaps you can assist?
        
        Simply looking at the ‘new normal’ AEFI report #1 and the latest report #46, it’s clearly apparent (to even the most cursory of inspection) that vaccine harm reporting has expanded to a whole new scale with Pfizer’s Comirnaty. It’s surely difficult to not find this quite extraordinary.
        
        https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/vaccine-report-overview.asp
        
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        May 31, 2023 6:59pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    1.3% you do realise that is probably lower than other jabs
    
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    May 31, 2023 1:02pm
    - mawm
      
      The info is out there but you persist in not doing your own research. Nothing I link to will change your mind. Hint look in the US VAERS system at annual vaccine injuries.
      
      “None so blind as he who will not see”.
      
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      May 31, 2023 8:43pm
Matt Long

Another article on how the science behind New Zealand’s climate change policies is debunked even by the IPCC, but it’s not about climate is it James?
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/barry-brill-what-will-we-do-about-the-mammoth-methane-mistake?postId=cb6eab6b-126d-4883-8aa9-c26c37df9a72&cid=db970c6d-6f12-48e2-a04d-5c512f666dee
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May 31, 2023 8:10am
- emmess
  
  Will farmers get a refund for this ‘accounting error’?
  
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  May 31, 2023 8:17am
- cmm
  
  Climate Science is a branch of that other important science: Political Science.
  
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  May 31, 2023 8:21am
  - kowtow
    
    Theology .
    
    Of Giainism.
    
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    May 31, 2023 8:45am
  - greybeard
    
    “Political Science” has always seemed to me to be a contradiction in terms.
    
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    May 31, 2023 9:29am
- ClanMcleod
  
  It’s been the same with all of the ‘current things’. LGBTQ, covid, co governance, climate. It’s never been about any of these things, it’s been about dismantling the system we’ve used for a few hundred years and implementing the ‘great reset’.
  
  First they have to shatter the existing system into a thousand pieces. They are well on the way.
  
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  May 31, 2023 8:21am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Clan, yes. It has been a roaring success in Education, not!
    
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    May 31, 2023 12:55pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think the outraged folks are moving on from Climate change to AI.
  
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  May 31, 2023 8:23am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    They must be running out of frames on Facebook by now……
    
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    May 31, 2023 8:42am
  - Burtland
    
    yep, apparently were all going to die … AGAIN
    
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65746524
    
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    May 31, 2023 12:04pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  And this, my friends, is why our country shouldn’t run around like a headless chicken in an effort to lead the world fixing the climate.
  
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  May 31, 2023 9:39am
Maggie Pie

The Reserve Bank describes in simple terms how Aotearoa’s financial system works for the benefit of Maori …..

https://rbnz.govt.nz/about-us/tane-mahuta-and-our-financial-system
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May 31, 2023 8:19am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I thought it was a description of Robbo’s Money tree.
  
  https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/shaking-money-tree-gm485317115-38619340
  
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  May 31, 2023 8:30am
- Xquenda Choudhury
  
  It is outrageous. Last year Adrian Orr gave a speech on that stuff to an international conference of central bank heads. Imagine what they thought of it? 🙄
  
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  May 31, 2023 9:21am
  - kowtow
    
    They’d have welcomed the chance to catch up on their devices . While the idiot from down under blithered.
    
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    May 31, 2023 9:29am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Remember, part of his audience will have come from parts of the world where what Orr was saying is business as usual.
    
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    May 31, 2023 1:00pm
- backster
  
  Very simple terms Maggie, I am beginning to understand how the Tamahere’s Jacksons and Mahuta whanaus have done so well.
  
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  May 31, 2023 9:26am
- Burtland
  
  We thank the northern hapu Te Roroa, who act as kaitiaki to Tāne Mahuta, for their support in our use of this narrative.
  
  wonder what all the other tribes believe …
  
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  May 31, 2023 11:58am
- Jim
  
  Ha Maggy nice one, laughable if it wasn’t the thing that underpins our entire civilisation.
  I guess that explains why Adrian Orr et al have got everything wrong for the past 3 years, and he is still only 7/10 confident (Mike Hosking interview) on his predictions going forward.
  I predict higher OCR myself.
  
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  May 31, 2023 12:38pm
  - stiff cheese
    
    Two indications that the mighty Tree God Himself has got Kauri Dieback disease:
    
    (1) Orr was told by Robertson to hire based on “diversity”, instead of hiring based only on merit. So at least some of the time, the BEST candidates WEREN’T hired because they didn’t tick the right box to make Robertson happy.
    
    (2) Orr more than doubled his personal staff; and more than doubled his ‘Communications’ staff (because it’s just so so SO important to get more Press Releases out — but did they help to hold back inflation? I think not.) In total then, IIRC, he took the Reserve Bank from roughly 240 staff to over 400.
    
    And the sum total of his changes? What did we get for it? Well it gave us the biggest FAILURE to manage inflation, for decades. Yet somehow, he kept his job.
    
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    May 31, 2023 1:05pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Nice work if you can get it
      
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      May 31, 2023 9:13pm
- miltonF
  
  Yes, but Orr is politically independent remember. I’ve been led to believe the RBNZ is completely seperate from the govt and their only purpose is to control inflation. They just happen to be on the same page as the govt on every political issue. They also threw out their inflation control mandate and entire purpose of existence so that Labour could go on a spending spree. These things are mere coincidences.
  
  /sarc
  
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  May 31, 2023 5:14pm
cmm

It seems like pounding kids with climate change, gender confusion, race baiting and Tiktok doesn’t always turn out for the best.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/number-of-antidepressants-dispensed-to-children-and-teens-jumps-by-53-in-five-years/PEUQXFRX6NADJJYY5PUWG4KQG4/
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May 31, 2023 8:23am
- Jim
  
  On the contrary, it depends on your aims as some with certain share holdings might says it’s been rather successful.
  
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  May 31, 2023 8:39am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Big pharma will be pleased.
  
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  May 31, 2023 8:43am
slightlyrighty

So Arena Williams tweeted about the removal of prescription charges, and the fact that her father, who pays $50 a month in fees for medicine, won’t have to choose between heating his home and paying for meds….

except the charge is capped at $100 per household per year, so the $50 a month is BS….and Williams’ father lives with her!
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May 31, 2023 8:25am
- cmm
  
  This was discussed at length a few weeks ago.
  
  Most prescriptions are for 3 months (90 days). At $5 per prescription that’s $1.67 a month. That means if the father really was paying $50 a month he would be on $50/$1.67 = 30 prescription medications.
  
  30 different prescription meds is somewhat unlikely.
  
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  May 31, 2023 9:00am
- artemisia
  
  Arena Williams had a response. I didn’t understand it.
  
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  May 31, 2023 9:05am
  - RoboRob
    
    Dont worry you weren’t meant too 🙂
    
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    May 31, 2023 9:22am
  - Matt Long
    
    You’re on the wrong drugs, try combining dope, party pills and shrooms and it will all become clear.
    You’ll also realise why socialism will work next time.
    
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    May 31, 2023 11:46am
- rouppe
  
  Plus he’s a knight of the realm, and former broadcasting chief (I think it was)
  
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  May 31, 2023 10:23am
  - Burtland
    
    https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2023/05/cam-slater-oh-what-tangled-web-we-weave.html
    
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    May 31, 2023 11:16am
Warren

National Party Leader Chris Luxon gives the perfect reply when asked about road signs carrying Te Reo Maori on the AM Show this morning, when saying he wants the Government to be focused on potholesand the state of New Zealand Roads.
Luxon told Am’s Ryan Bridge there are 54,000 potholes in New Zealand, so Waka Kotahi would have to create a “hell
of a lot”of bilingual signs.
So rather than generating signs and putting them up everywhere I’d actually sooner us fix the potholes and that’s what is frustrating about this conversation Luxon told co host Ryan Bridge.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/05/christopher-luxon-says-government-should-be-focused-on-fixing-nz-s-roads-rather-than-creating-te-reo-m-ori-signs.html
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May 31, 2023 8:25am
- thirteenstars
  
  Potholes? Some satirise Waka Kotahi as Whaka Ka Taia.
  
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  May 31, 2023 10:32am
- Bullion
  
  Luxon knows this, that NZTA’s road maintenance (cost or capacity) is not impacted any way by discussion of bilingual road signs. Not one bit. Nothing. Zero. Zilch.
  
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  May 31, 2023 11:34am
BananaLlama

Easy way to shut this road sign crap down is to ask if we are renaming Mount Taranki back to Mount Egmont. Journalists pink hair will turn blue and that will be that, they will get a real job stacking boxes or some such.
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May 31, 2023 8:34am
- Ehlana
  
  Would you employ them to stack boxes?
  
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  May 31, 2023 11:21am
In Vino Veritas

Te Pati Maori says its people should get the pension seven to 10 years before the rest of the population, because of lower life expectancy.
These abject clowns have no shame. Perhaps what should happen, is that Maori Iwi have to take over the payments of super from their Treaty Settlements. Bet a dollar to a knob of goat shit that the age of entitlement wouldn’t go down at all.
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May 31, 2023 8:37am
- Stephen
  
  My sister, Pakeha, died at age 64. She never saw any pension for her working life. What would Te Pati Maori say about that?
  
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  May 31, 2023 8:58am
- cmm
  
  Maybe I should pull the same stunt.
  I am very tall. My cardiologist said this will knock 5 to 10 years off my life.
  
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  May 31, 2023 9:06am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Maori lower life expectancy is not due to genetic factors solely related to ethnic origins.
  
  Their lower life expectancy is due to individual poor life choices:
  (smoking, drug-taking, lack of exercise, obesity, homicide; reckless behaviour).
  
  The same factors apply for Pakeha/Europeans/ Americans … there is a disparity in life expectancy between folks from higher socio-economic areas and those from poor areas.
  
  Males and females living in Central Glasgow have on average 10 years lower life expectancy than folks living in plusher parts of the UK and Europe.
  
  https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-uks-shortest-life-expectancy-25959935
  
  Life expectancy for Women in Russia is 75 years (2 years less than Maori females). and for men is 64 years (9 years less than Maori males)
  
  https://www.statista.com/statistics/971100/life-expectancy-at-birth-in-russia-by-gender/#:~:text=This%20statistic%20shows%20the%20average,about%2064.21%20years%20on%20average.
  
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  May 31, 2023 9:48am
  - mandk
    
    You are correct about poor life choices amongst Maori.
    
    The NZ Health Survey shows that Maori are around twice as likely as the rest of the population to smoke, twice as likely to engage in hazardous drinking and twice as likely to use meth and other illegal drugs.
    
    No wonder they die younger.
    
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    May 31, 2023 9:57am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      But all that stuff was forced on them by the colonials. //
      
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      May 31, 2023 10:40am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Maori Life expectancy in pre-Colonial days was 30-35 years.
        
        Maori life expectancy has more than doubled since 1840…and continues to increase.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/maori-life-expectancy-has-increased-at-twice-the-rate-of-non-maori-in-last-10-years/VEOPQNF3N6H26X6SIR4E64DUMY/
        
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        May 31, 2023 11:13am
Maggie Pie

Shocked to read this morning that a wealthy New Zealand citizen has been outed as being connected to pedophile Jeffery Epstein’s network of power and influence…..

https://mol.im/a/12136305
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May 31, 2023 8:41am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Maggie – if it’s who I think you’re referring to, it looks like he’s NZ’s representative in the Ukrainian military efforts against Russia. Looks like we’re sending a bit more than ‘hugs and kisses’.
  
  Palantir has been working with Ukrainian officials since last year, providing software and incorporating artificial intelligence technologies to power battlefield decision making.
  
  https://archive.is/QWNC5
  
  Here’s hoping Vlad doesn’t find out. NZ might be on the list for a nuke if things go pear shaped….🤔
  
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  May 31, 2023 9:07am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Immigration makes sure we get all the bestest people, doing a great job.
    
    He got turned down for citizenship in NZ initially, but apparently ‘the price was right’ and he managed to swing it.
    
    https://theintercept.com/2017/02/01/billionaire-trump-adviser-peter-thiel-bought-his-new-zealand-citizenship-documents-show/
    
    Basically we’re his bolt hole for when the apocalypse comes. The one he might be helping to start. lol
    
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    May 31, 2023 9:11am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Everything seems just sooo murky. This also from the ‘Daily Mail’…..
      
      ‘Married billionaire Peter Thiel, whose male model boyfriend Jeff Thomas died after plunging from a high-rise last month, had a messy confrontation with his husband Matt Danzeisen during the couples New Years Eve Party, after Thomas was discovered among the guests’
      
      https://mol.im/a/11926699
      
      (….and Jeff looked a bit of alright TBH 😛 )
      
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      May 31, 2023 9:35am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Not my type, I just can’t do the whole ‘budgie smuggler’ thing. lol
        
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        May 31, 2023 11:04am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, the list of famous names made public astounds me. I thought these people simply buried stories that put them in the spotlight.
  
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  May 31, 2023 9:13am
True man

Petrol Exercise Tax increase

Has anyone done an analysis on how much Petrol Exercise revenue is lost for every EV that uses NZ roads

The total must now be starting to be significant with the number of EVs on the road in NZ now.
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May 31, 2023 8:43am
- cmm
  
  RUC is around $70/1000km for cars depending on vehicle weight. If each EV is doing 15k/year then that is around $1000/vehicle/year.
  
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  May 31, 2023 9:04am
- Inandout
  
  True, I think you mean excise, but as for EVs well let us get through this electricity starved winter first.
  
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  May 31, 2023 9:05am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Approximately 64,000 EV’s in New Zealand and 4.5 million cars. 64,000/4,500,000=1.4%.
  
  https://www.statista.com/statistics/735099/new-zealand-currently-licensed-vehicles/
  
  EV’s are slated to start paying Road User Charges 31 March 2024.
  
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  May 31, 2023 9:07am
  - rouppe
    
    64,000 EV’s is about $64 million pa according @cmm’s figures.
    
    Not huge, but not chump change
    
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    May 31, 2023 10:20am
    - Burtland
      
      rich pricks dodging tax AGAIN //
      
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      May 31, 2023 11:25am
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      Just think about how extra GST those rich people paid buying those expensive EV’s vs buying an ICE car!
      
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      May 31, 2023 12:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Arizona (again)
Video 9 min. How Election day was sabotaged. All of the Vote center tabulators were tested using an incorrect Election Program File not used on Election Day.
2 min in it gets interesting. Seals on the tabulators broken and memory cards swapped. All of the people in that room knew it was illegal.

https://spreely.video/v/1687405518/CAUGHT-ON-VIDEO–This-is-how-they-sabotaged-Election-Day-in-Arizona-

How can Trump stop this shit to win 2024?
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May 31, 2023 8:59am
- Littletramp
  
  Trump knows how to stop it. That’s why they want De Santis to run.
  
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  May 31, 2023 10:00am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    DeSantis is part of Trump campaigning. DeSantis is repaying a favour from Trump.
    Trump endorsed him and he became Florida Governor, and man did he clean up Florida.
    In the end Trump will win the nomination easily, and win 2024. The GOP RINOs can do nothing about it. They are part of the swamp that will be drained.
    
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    May 31, 2023 1:22pm
Maggy Wassilieff

This is rather peculiar..

GNS Science has pleaded guilty to Work-safe charges related to White Island/ Whakaari eruption.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/490980/gns-science-pleads-guilty-to-whakaari-white-island-charges

GNS Science wasn’t responsible for the Tourism venture to the island.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018892437/brother-of-whakaari-victim-speaks-out-on-worksafe-failure

If our Government volcanologists are unable to access active volcanoes, will the public be any safer when one erupts?
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May 31, 2023 9:04am
- Taieri
  
  GNS Science has pleaded guilty to Work-safe charges
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  If it gets convicted it will be fined. What’s the point of fining a government owned institution, which will remit the said fine to another government owned institution?
  In fact, how can an institution as such be guilty of anything?
  
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  May 31, 2023 9:53am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What beats me is more people could have been saved but boat and helicopter rescuers were stopped from doing so. People died when they should not have.
  
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  May 31, 2023 10:09am
Suze Wainwright

Has Shaneel Lal communicated anything of note lately?

Do certain operatives get told to stfu by Head Office if their messages – once full of hope & promise – become viewed as counterproductive among the general populace?
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May 31, 2023 9:08am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Suze – without doubt. Noticeable has been the almost total silence from the mob of shrieking covidians who pounded the airwaves with their insane messaging for 3 years.
  Wiles, Baker, Jackson, Plank, Hendy et al. Remember the names.
  
  Lal has clearly been told to stfu and keep his head down.
  
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  May 31, 2023 10:46am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Nope, still there, and getting clicks for the wrong reasons I expect.
  But a click is a click for the Horid:
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/shaneel-lal-national-using-ai-to-create-impression-it-is-looking-out-for-pacific-people/5FQWW4NAORCRRHQCKN2VAGGWPA/?dicbo=v2-AmgTMTd&&ref=topbox
  
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  May 31, 2023 2:36pm
slightlyrighty

Today’s Stuff Headline.

Why does Chris Luxon keep returning to this uneasy issue?

Written by Glenn McConnell who is a Stuff reporter specialising in Te Ao Maori.

could it be that the reason Luxon talks about Maori issues is that people keep bringing it up with him? Is this how reporting is these days?
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May 31, 2023 9:10am
- graham
  
  Ah. Glenn McConnell. Say no more.
  
  Haven’t read anything by him for a couple of years, not since he celebrated wanton vandalism when somebody tipped red paint over the statue of Governor Grey.
  
  Reading anything written by Glenn McConnell is about as pointless as reading anything written by Joel Maxwell.
  
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  May 31, 2023 10:06am
- Burtland
  
  more good STUFF from Glenn McConnell
  
  Western science isn’t keeping you safe from the poo in Porirua
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/science/300367713/western-science-isnt-keeping-you-safe-from-the-poo-in-porirua
  
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  May 31, 2023 11:32am
Maggy Wassilieff

Is NZ sliding down a rabbit hole?

The area I think should have more attention is socio economic differences between different ethnicities, and in particular Maori, who sit below average in many social indicators, excluding imprisonment where they are rather high. Some conflate this with the Treaty which is a distraction from the reality that not all poor people are Maori and not all Maori are poor. The growth in the Maori professional middle-class has been dramatic over recent decades.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/barrie-saunders-exiting-the-constitutional-rabbit-hole
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May 31, 2023 9:22am
- Piniwi
  
  Matched by a massive increase of funds being directed to Maori troughs and a huge increase of so many in roles above their competence because they have a bar code on their chin to hide the gravy stain.
  
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  May 31, 2023 3:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
Like it or lump it Politics. No asking the people if we wanted this change.
This is how is is with a Coup. New Zealand phased out and Aotearoa will be who we are known as. No referendum, no nothing. Grooming is essential for a Coup.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/road-sign-changes-into-maori-language-just-another-piece-in-the-coup-jigsaw/
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May 31, 2023 9:23am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Grooming quells opposition.” It is in the blog today.
  Well worth reading. NZ is heading down this path with the help of Labour and the paid left wing media.
  
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  May 31, 2023 9:28am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Double banger names. After ALL Govt departments are renamed, Real Estate and the Legal Fraternity are next. It will be forced upon them, possibly by Law.
  I have been saying for a long time that this is serious.
  NZ is still asleep at the wheel.
  
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  May 31, 2023 9:35am
  - Taieri
    
    The Real Estate Authority is already known as Te Mana Papawhenua.
    Te Kāhui Ture o Aotearoa is the name of the former NZ Law Society.
    
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    May 31, 2023 9:57am
    - Swifty
      
      I’m confused.
      
      Pre-contact, what did Maori call their law society?
      
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      May 31, 2023 10:12am
      - Drone
        
        Ignore the pre-contact era @Swifty far more importantly what are we going to call the “All Blacks” in the future, and what will “Rugby” be called. Oh, and there will only be one official All-Black team currently called the Maori All-Blacks but due to be renamed in the new year to some metaphorical name based on the weather or a storm. The second team will be known as the “Mongrel (as in mixed race) All-Blacks if it’s funded at all.. //.
        
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        May 31, 2023 11:34am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Maori Law was called Ka Mate.
        Easy one to translate today.
        
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        May 31, 2023 4:11pm
      - Mike
        
        Pre-contact, there was no Law Society. Perhaps you can think of a better example.
        
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        May 31, 2023 5:03pm
      - Keith White
        
        Utu Inc.
        
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        May 31, 2023 7:44pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Swifty – strange Mike is unable to recognise irony.
        
        Mike – what did pre-contact Maori call Iron?
        
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        May 31, 2023 8:50pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I deliberately refuse to use the names and refuse to acknowledge them if someone calls them by that name.
      Simply saying “Pardon? I don’t know what you’re talking about?”
      
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      May 31, 2023 10:48am
  - Burtland
    
    cant be too far away now when they replace money for rocks
    
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    May 31, 2023 11:36am
- Piniwi
  
  Perhaps stopcogovernance can produce more GIF or high impact stickers and emoji to be used on social media where so many others are pro the coup without understanding what they are cheering for. We know the MSM have pledged their compliance with the narrative for their 20 pieces of silver but there is also an army of about 9000 trolls pushing the Government dictated narrative.
  
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  May 31, 2023 3:36pm
I remember when

Once again Sharon Murdoch only considers only one side of the problem.
How many of the thousands that fled from police last year are also involved in ramraids and violent theft from retail stores?
Does the lack of consequences encourage further criminal activity?
Is this a reason for the continuous incidents now taking place?
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May 31, 2023 9:30am
- Jim
  
  Ha Murdoch cartoons are only considered funny because they demonstrate how ideologically blinkered the artist is. Embarrassing really, but certainly fine work (30minutes a day) if you can get some mug (PIJF?) to pay for it.
  
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  May 31, 2023 7:26pm
Rusty

In the news Uganda has made it a law that homosexuality and being trans gender is a crime and punishable by a prison sentence or even death.

Dozens of other African nations have similar laws.

Whether one agrees or not with those laws my question is — where is the hostility and condemnation from the cancel culture crowd in the west on these African countries attitude towards gays and trans gender people?

Isn’t there hypocrisy from the cancel culture people because they aren’t white people making those laws?
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May 31, 2023 9:32am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Rusty – I think we should charter a plane or two for Shaneel Lal and all of the protesters at the Rosie Parker event.
  Send them over to Uganda where they can do the most good for their cause? Shaneel has a way with words, he’ll win the Ugandans over in no time……
  
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  May 31, 2023 10:51am
  - Rusty
    
    @Clan..
    
    Yes that person’s name came to my mind. According to him only white people hate trans-gender people.
    
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    May 31, 2023 11:20am
    - oldfella
      
      The newly re-elected president of Turkey is also not a fan of the LGBT+ community. He was sounding off about them last night on one of the TV news bulletins.
      
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      May 31, 2023 12:33pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Well if Shaneel Lal is representative, you can understand why they might want to keep him and his associates out of their society. Nothing to do with their sexuality, just because they’re an obnoxious ahole. As per the Twitter posts I’ve seen from Mr Lal.
        
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        May 31, 2023 3:05pm
- PeeJay
  
  Hypocrisy you say?
  
  Next thing you know you’ll be bringing up the fact that all those global brands that ‘proudly display the rainbow flag to stand against discrimination’ strangely remove said rainbow flags from their branding in the Middle East so as to not offend the local dictatorship / theocracy and ensure the continued flow of cash!!!
  
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  May 31, 2023 11:10am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  The death penalty-specific part that was listed on NewstalkZB and impacting ‘rainbow’ people then itemised capital crimes as, “Incest, knowingly infecting someone with HIV and pedophilia”.
  
  I thought those were odd lifestyle choices to equate with the “Rainbow” community, and thereby persecuted by facing capital punishment in particular.
  
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  May 31, 2023 2:19pm
cmm

Things really are going downhill in South Africa and things look more precarious now than any time in the past (well since the Mfecane anyway).

Never before have so many people been dependent on a functioning state, while the state is collapsing faster than ever.

People are getting into “Arab Spring” mood. Heck, even ex-President Mbeki is suggesting that people should revolt against the ANC. Yes, his own political party!

* Unemployment is up. 42% unemployed with over 70% unemployed in some areas. Way worse stats for the hot-headed youth.
* In the last few days, the Rand is at its lowest value ever.
* Inflation is huge. Food and transport costs are too high for the wages in a low-value economy.
* Personal debt is also higher than ever and the interest rate on mortgages is around 11%. This is particularly painful for the booming black middle class who like to flash their cash.
* Electricity is terrible. Around 10 hours a day with no power.
* Water and sewerage not much better with taps running dry in many areas and sewers overflowing into streets and rivers.
* Cholera has broken out in at least 4 provinces – likely more.

The biggest problem for South Africa (compared to, say, Zimbabwe) is that it is a highly urbanised country. City people need functioning infrastructure. In Zimbabwe most people have links back to rural villages and can go plant some maize and live a subsistence life when things go bad. That option does not exist in SA.

But, hey, at least they’ve got the vote.
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May 31, 2023 9:33am
- kowtow
  
  Last night on HDPA she mentioned this case ;
  
  ‘Former South African rugby player Lukas van Biljon was stabbed repeatedly and his father shot three times when attacked on their farm.’
  
  Then she questioned aloud why anybody with any means wouldn’t have left already.
  
  Sounded rather , ahem , elitist .This from a person who’d just said she spent 5 years learning Maori and wasn’t a “conservative” voter.
  
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  May 31, 2023 9:39am
  - cmm
    
    Yup, the cops didn’t even catch the attackers. The self-organised neighbourhood watch did.
    
    South Africa’s police force is a basket case. There are three times as many private security people as cops and still private individuals and neighbourhood watches are required.
    
    By “private security” I don’t just mean 65-year old mall cops with comb-overs. These are highly armed response teams with semiautomatic rifles, dogs and armoured vehicles.
    
    Farmers etc are also well tooled-up and trained.
    
    If it wasn’t for the private sector jumping in the cops would be completely overrun.
    
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    May 31, 2023 10:18am
- Swifty
  
  That’ll be us in 2043.
  
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  May 31, 2023 9:43am
- zulumonster
  
  Coming soon to a country near you …
  
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  May 31, 2023 1:24pm
I remember when

So if you don’t want Air NZ to register your weight you can abstain.
Why would you not want this to happen?
Because you are to thin and don’t want to have anyone know, even although they will not?
Because you want it to be your secret?
Because you do not allow your details, of any sort, to be recorded by officialdom?
So if we imagine that those declining to allow their weight to be recorded largely fall in one camp, how much do they make allowance for this?
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May 31, 2023 9:57am
- cmm
  
  I think this is a pointless box-ticking exercise.
  
  Every 5 years or such they are required to gather this information for Civil Aviation or some such body.
  
  I doubt there is any solid technical reason for this. All the newer. larger planes are packed with sensors and can probably spit out all the info that is required.
  
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  May 31, 2023 10:40am
tknorriss

So far as bilingual road signs go, why stop at two languages? Why not go to seven as in the power-saving propaganda booklet they are about to put out.
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May 31, 2023 10:03am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Umm, because the plan is to have only one language on the signs, just not English?
  Same applies with co-governance – the ‘co’ bit is just transitory.
  
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  May 31, 2023 10:58am
  - PeeJay
    
    Obvious isn’t it.
    
    First it was Auckland – Tāmaki Makaurau etc. Whether it was Council communications, news reports or even the weather. Then it changed. Became Tāmaki Makaurau – Auckland. Then once that got embedded, it just became Tāmaki Makaurau.
    
    Ingenious strategy when you think about it. Why bother going to the trouble of seeking something so pesky as a democratic mandate via a referendum when you can just slowly change things and get what you want.
    
    Funny thing is I used to think all this stuff was conspiracy theory shit – you know, the march of the left through the institutions and all that jazz. Actually used to think those that thought like that were a bit odd, conspiracy nutters and a little bit racist. Now I’m beginning to think they may well have been a bit odd, some of them were undoubtedly conspiracy nutters and some of them were probably racists…….but they probably weren’t wrong!
    
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    May 31, 2023 11:19am
  - Burtland
    
    with only 1% fluency only the elite special people will know whats going on
    
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    May 31, 2023 1:35pm
vand

“So far as bilingual road signs go, why stop at two languages? Why not go to seven as in the power-saving propaganda booklet they are about to put out.”

Indeed -how about Braille for those in the very slow lane/boat- or is that too Monty Pythonesque?
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May 31, 2023 10:32am
- Rusty
  
  @vand,
  
  What about tourists who come here and drive on our roads– how are they meant to understand te-reo language?
  
  It could cause a panic or distraction to their driving reading a half English/ Maori road sign.
  
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  May 31, 2023 11:27am
PeeJay

On the ever increasing rise of Maori as the preferred language, as seen with the fiasco of the proposed bilingual road signs out for consultation by the organisation formerly known as NZTA.

Some news from Selwyn District. One of NZ’s fastest growing regions. Last census, 7.9% Maori – undoubtedly, not the percentage of those that can actually speak the language because it’ll will be far lower than that.

Rolleston, again, one of the fastest growing towns in NZ apparently, got a brand new spanking library – Te Are Atea!!!. But they couldn’t call it a library, nope, that would be terribly colonialist and racist and non-inclusive (insert stream of never ending bullshit here). The locals asked the council to add the word Library to the building. Not change the Maori name – add Library. Nice building, generally well received, but some thought, well a Library would say, erm Library on it. Ridiculous eh?

Council obfuscated and said they didn’t want to do so – it wasn’t really a library, was really a cultural centre, libraries just had books and they had digital stuff, erm some other stuff and, erm, erm, oh, oh, got it – and wait for it – it also had a cafe!!! Well, erm, ok? That would seem to be like every library I’ve been into.

Remember, all the residents asked for was for the word ‘Library’ to be added to the building signage, not the Maori name removed, and Council stonewalled and obfuscated – I mean, they couldn’t do that, they’d be called out as racists eh! Usual accusations of racism being flouted to anyone who asks why it can’t be called a library. All for a language spoken by a tiny minority, in a district with an overwhelming European population (circa 90%) where the asian population will undoubtedly overtake Maori in the current census. But hey, got to be ‘cool’ and ‘with it’ I suppose.

Same thing has happened in Christchurch – no public building proceeds without the, ahem, “gifting”, of a Maori name and there is never, ever, an accompanying English name. Only thing that was surprising about the Rolleston situation was the residents actually had a spine and asked ‘why not?’ – the Christchurch residents seem to have long given up on any sense emanating from Council! Don’t worry Selwyn – you’ll fall into line eventual and stop question your overlords……I mean democratically elected representatives.

None of these cowards in charge of our government, our bureaucracy, our councils and institutions, have ever asked for a democratic mandate for the changes they are imposing. They are doing this by stealth, using the insult of ‘racist’ when anyone raises a different opinion.

If this country was asked in a referendum to have Maori as the primary (or sole) language, or to have co-governance, or whatever crap they come up with, and the majority voted for it, I’d accept it. Wouldn’t be happy with it, might grumble about moving to ‘Straya’, but would probably just sigh and get on with life. That’s how democracy works. You make your arguments. The people decide. The majority rule – not perfect but the least bad form of government ever.

But they will never ask for our mandate for this will they? Because they know what the answer will be.

Make no mistake, this is coming to a town / suburb near you (if not already) and will not stop, even if National get in. It might slow down, but it won’t stop.
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May 31, 2023 10:34am
- cmm
  
  Selwyn was one of the hardest National voting districts out there. It has changed a lot in the last few years – mostly, I assume, due to the rise of Rolleston and West Melton.
  
  In 2014, National got 64% of the vote and Labour 13% (+51%) . In 2020 that had swung to National getting 34% and Labour 42% (-8%). A shift of 59%.
  
  IIRC, Amy Adams had the highest majority in NZ in 2011 with 69% to 15% = 54% margin. In 2020 Nicola Grigg only won 50 to 38% = 12%. She outperformed National, so it wasn’t her fault.
  
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  May 31, 2023 3:33pm
ClanMcleod

If you know anyone from Gate Pa area of Tauranga, tell them to be on their toes. Apparently Daisy the great white shark’s GPS signal has been picked up in the area…….Was that a cello I heard???

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/daisy-the-shark-tracker-signal-picked-up-in-gate-pa-tauranga/WU7H5UBBMBDDJFW3CBRGQ5O2TU/
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May 31, 2023 10:57am
- PeeJay
  
  Awesome link Clan.
  
  And yep, the reference to the cello saw me immediately call it up on YouTube. One of the classic scores in a movie but still, to me at least, bloody terrifying!!!
  
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  May 31, 2023 11:23am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Maybe da bros at the Marae caught daisy and threw the gps over da fence
  
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  May 31, 2023 1:09pm
Maggie Pie

Jan Tinetti must be quacking in her boots!

Just heard the report on ZB that she’s to appear before… ‘the all powerful Priviledges Committee’ on some minor matter or other.

Lost all credibility with me when they said Golriz Garahaman was one of the members on the panel.
From memory, didn’t she even try to defend some Ugandan guy who was accused of genocide!?

What a JOKE and complete waste of taxpayers money.
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May 31, 2023 11:01am
- Matt Long
  
  Yes the committee members look more unsavory than any offenders could possibly be.
  
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  May 31, 2023 12:01pm
- greybeard
  
  If she is not quacking in her boots she will certainly be ducking for cover.
  
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  May 31, 2023 12:06pm
  - Mike
    
    She could probably flip them the bird: any actual punishment would be as scarce as hen’s teeth.
    
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    May 31, 2023 1:14pm
- Nickc2
  
  The Privileges Committee has the power to be a Lynching Mob but they’ve never used it to the best of my knowledge.
  The last person the appeared before it was Winston Peters and let’s face it, he’s still alive and kicking and hoping to return to Parliament. They could have sent Winston to Jail but they didn’t.
  In all probability, Jan Tinetti’ll bake some scones for morning tea, buy a round of cheap Champaign on Friday night, and she’ll be remembered forevermore as a good scout eh? Albeit a lying good scout.
  
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  May 31, 2023 12:23pm
  - Mike
    
    She will get a mild admonishment.
    
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    May 31, 2023 1:10pm
- Mike
  
  Whenever there is any media mention of the privileges committee, the adjective ‘powerful’ is deployed. It is, in fact, quite harmless, in that its theoretical powers are never exercised and, if they were, could be easily subverted by the speaker and/or a parliamentary majority.
  
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  May 31, 2023 1:09pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I think Hipkins will throw Tinneti under the bus to try and look strong, but his weakness will be trying to find anyone to replace her
  
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  May 31, 2023 1:11pm
Observant Octagenarian

Who is going to be the biggest loser from the two-language road signs? The Waka Kotare program called ‘Road to Zero’ – aiming for zero road deaths.
Why?
Because it is tourists who do not recognise that the first words on a road sign are in Maori (most NZers will at least recognise words as ‘Maori’ and ignore them), tourists will struggle with the road sign and then it will be too late!
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May 31, 2023 11:08am
Jim

Ha ha freedom of speech? Why ‘awaiting moderation since 0810?

[Mod – there are no comments waiting to be approved]
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May 31, 2023 11:13am
- Mike
  
  Kiwiblog is not obliged to publish any comments, let alone approve them at a commenter’s convenience.
  ‘Freedom of speech’ arguments don’t apply to private publishers. Even if they did, there are well-known restrictions to free speech.
  Kiwiblog commenters are very fortunate that DPF cleaned up the blog and recruited volunteer moderators to police the more civil discourse that currently prevails.
  
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  May 31, 2023 12:03pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    You are privileged to be commenting here at all considering the number of times you have been banned over the years.
    
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    May 31, 2023 1:08pm
    - Swifty
      
      How many times has he been banned do you reckon BananaLlama?
      
      And each time because he couldn’t control himself and what he wrote.
      
      But he’s happy to point out daily the failings of others of course.
      
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      May 31, 2023 2:29pm
      - BananaLlama
        
        DPF use to publish a list, lol, some of us are well past our third strike.
        
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        May 31, 2023 3:28pm
    - Mike
      
      I don’t really get banned any more after the moderation was issued. Kiwiblog is less entertaining, but still full of amusing bullshit.
      Lots of commenters could not adapt to moderation and disappeared. Hopefully they have clouds to shout at rather than internalizing their anger.
      
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      May 31, 2023 2:32pm
Swifty

Good grief – they are just embarrassing:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/kiri-allan-gives-wrong-speech-on-freedom-camping-bill/6OMK7SXSSZGXRNDPS6QA3TA6RY/
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May 31, 2023 11:15am
- PeeJay
  
  I’ve said this before but I’ve been really disappointed in the way Kiri Allan has really unravelled in the last few months.
  
  As most political tragic’s will remember, her profile got a huge boost as Emergency Management Minister – during the Kermadecs Tsunami scare in March 2021 – she was engaging, didn’t waffle and seemed competent – I know – a Labour minister competent!!!!
  
  After coming back from cancer, she ended up in the Justice portfolio and initially seemed to carry on with the same approach as before – seem to recall even Hosking was impressed with her initial willingness to debate and avoid the bullshit – and he takes no prisoners when he has a bullshitter on his show. When she didn’t know something, she said so and said she’d get back – fair enough.
  
  But over the last few months, around the time of the RNZ controversy, she’s become another useless waffle merchant. This speech and crap ‘someone gave me the wrong speech miss’ excuse is the latest in the seemingly inevitable return to relative obscurity.
  
  I’m no fan of Labour and can’t ever see me voting for them (so they won’t give a fig about what I think) but I am a fan of good leadership. I honestly thought she might be unusual in the Labour Party – competent.
  
  Seems she’s no different than the rest of them.
  
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  May 31, 2023 11:39am
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    yeah she was for some mystrious reason being promoted all over the place as some sort of Wunderkind.
    Must say I never got that.
    
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    May 31, 2023 12:45pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    She cant see the facts front the carpet , bwhahahaha
    
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    May 31, 2023 1:12pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Doesn’t take much scratching below the surface to expose these clowns for the waffle merchants they actually are.
    
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    May 31, 2023 3:11pm
Yvette

Kelvin: My God!– on Kiwiblog there are such a lot of comments slating bi-lingual roadsigns
Willie: Yep! – our plan is working

Kelvin: But so many say for safety sake, English should be on top, even a more dominant typeface or colour
WillieWillie: Typical colonial suppression – that’s the tyranny of the majority for you.
But if legibility and understanding are the vital purpose of road signage, guess who will have the most fucking awful accidents – the bloody majority …
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May 31, 2023 11:23am
- Mike
  
  Kelvin Good own goal by Simeon though.
  Willie Yeah, I know how he feels. I couldn’t count the number of times party leaders have walked back my ludicrous statements.
  
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  May 31, 2023 11:58am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Willie – now we just need to get more Maori language on the googlyeye box. Plus find some more English language programs for our Maori tv for our people to enjoy.
  
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  May 31, 2023 9:04pm
I remember when

The coast is doomed: Story by James Renwick:Newsroom.
“A climate researcher on the future of coastal housing (there is no future.)
I was once interviewed for television while standing on the beach not far from my home.
At one point, the interviewer said to me, “So by the end of this century, all those houses we see along the beach here will be gone?”
It was a pretty confronting moment.
I paused and took a breath, looking up and down the beach, before replying.
“Yes,” I said.”

As Batman once said, “Holy Cinderella.”
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May 31, 2023 11:36am
- bjools
  
  Were they one of those that thought a waterfront stadium in Auckland was a good idea.
  
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  May 31, 2023 12:29pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  I’ve survived 5 planetary ending disasters apparently, according to Al Gore, Greta and a couple of other luminaries.
  I am humbled and thankful to be alive. Praise the Lord……
  
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  May 31, 2023 3:13pm
Swifty

Hey, I’ve got a great idea, let’s get the Labour Party to regulate grocery prices. Urgently!

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/132179000/are-christchurch-shoppers-paying-more-for-food-grocery-study-finds-stark-price-differences-at-major-supermarkets–and-for-certain-parts-of-country

FFS.

Why don’t we just cut our own throats at the same time and be done with it.
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May 31, 2023 11:48am
- Mike
  
  I don’t think either of those ideas are your best, Swifty.
  
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  May 31, 2023 11:54am
  - Swifty
    
    You got on your high horse to soundly admonish the chemist shop worker who was rude to the trans customer – but you come here and are rude multiple times every day, 7 days a week for 52 weeks a year.
    
    For year after year after year.
    
    What does that make you?
    
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    May 31, 2023 12:53pm
  - Swifty
    
    Don’t feel you have to ask that last question – we already know the answer.
    
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    May 31, 2023 12:54pm
    - Mike
      
      Is that a royal ‘we’, or do you have delegated authority as a representative of some sort?
      
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      May 31, 2023 1:04pm
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        Do you uptick your own comments?
        
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        May 31, 2023 2:10pm
      - Mike
        
        What sort of a question is that?
        
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        May 31, 2023 2:33pm
    - kevn
      
      @Swifty… milky/mike is just here to amuse the rest of us.
      It is a full-time gig for him/her/whatever.
      
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      May 31, 2023 4:32pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Yep, more government is the answer to all our problems.
  Not.
  
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  May 31, 2023 12:47pm
I remember when

South Auckland scrap metal yard fire closes rail, schools, businesses and residents told to avoid toxic smoke.
Does this mean that saving the planet is not going to be as easy as we thought?
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May 31, 2023 12:04pm
- Mike
  
  Did anyone ever think it would be easy?
  
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  May 31, 2023 12:57pm
- MCōs
  
  I understand that’s the third time in seven years there has been fires at that address
  
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  May 31, 2023 8:24pm
MCōs

This morning I dragging myself away from the fun of commenting on local issues to renew my drivers license.
I’ll be 75 in a month or so.
The woman said, you don’t need a new photo!
A bloke can take a certain amount of flattery
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May 31, 2023 12:14pm
- PeeJay
  
  Good on ya MCōs – put that down as a win I’d say!
  
  Reminds me of one of my mates years back. In her mid 30’s she was asked for ID when she put some wine through with the food shopping – always had a wicked sense of humour so she handed her ID over and got down on her knees and shouted thank you, thank you (think the we’re not worthy scene with Alice Cooper from Wayne’s World). From what I heard, lots of the other customers thought it was very funny with more than a few letting rip with a huge laugh.
  
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  May 31, 2023 12:21pm
- bjools
  
  Put that young lady on your Christmas card list.
  
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  May 31, 2023 12:22pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You must have looked old in your last photo.//
  
  Sorry, could not resist.
  
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  May 31, 2023 1:31pm
bjools

Went to the Doctor yesterday.
Some the injuries are coming back to haunt me
Misaligned back
Osteoarthritic Knee
Damaged rotator cuff.
Over the past year have received 2 of those form letters ….”we regret to inform you….” that you won’t be getting that operation (that the Dr said you needed.
I asked him, since it had got worst and the pain keeps me awake, what are the chances of getting one or more of those operations?
His one word answer…..MINIMAL
Maybe our kind and caring govt. will help those in a worse situation than me?
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May 31, 2023 12:20pm
cmm

Go woke, go broke:

There’s a hole in Te Herenga Waka. A $33M hole. About $1500 per student. And they are short around 3000 students to make their numbers work.

Not even the greenie shills are safe!

Meanwhile Canterbury University is booming.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/pretty-gutting-top-scientist-mike-joy-loses-role-amid-victoria-university-restructure/4YJSZM2OGBCF5OQFWIUIZV4U5U/

According to Stuff there was a $15M hole in March, so is seems like they’ve “lost” another $18M in just 2 months.

Maybe they should have Grant Robertson around to look behind the couch? He’ll probably have a spare moment in a few months time.
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May 31, 2023 12:27pm
- Burtland
  
  mike joys exit will be political – his criticism of all things water will have done him in.
  
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  May 31, 2023 4:44pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Wasn’t he at Massey? Don’t tell me he’s been chased away twice!
    
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    May 31, 2023 9:28pm
Bobba Fret

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/kiri-allan-gives-wrong-speech-on-freedom-camping-bill/6OMK7SXSSZGXRNDPS6QA3TA6RY/

Kiri Allan reads out wrong speech! They really are a bunch of clowns who should be nowhere near the levers of power.
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May 31, 2023 12:42pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Clever lot, and they are running NZ.
  
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  May 31, 2023 1:28pm
kowtow

Bastards .
These are war graves , where’s the outrage.

‘Historic shipwrecks have been targeted by scavengers for low-radiation steel and scrap metal for several years.

On 22 May the New Straits Times reported that scavengers returned after an eight-year hiatus to plunder battlecruiser HMS Repulse and battleship HMS Prince of Wales.

Speaking to the outlet, unnamed sources alleged that the Chinese vessel was also responsible for looting 90 per cent of other Second World War shipwrecks in the region.’

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/southeast-asia/malaysia-detains-chinese-ship-british-graves-b2348087.html
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May 31, 2023 12:47pm
- Mike
  
  Leads me to wonder for how long ‘war graves’ might be protected and when they would become just another archaeological or treasure-hunting site.
  
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  May 31, 2023 1:02pm
- Inandout
  
  kowtow, it is called recycling. Get with it.
  
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  May 31, 2023 1:10pm
  - kowtow
    
    Seriously ?
    
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    May 31, 2023 3:26pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Hope they forfeit the boat and get jail time.
  Carrion feeders and looters need to be discouraged.
  
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  May 31, 2023 2:52pm
Swifty

Parents, make alternative arrangements for your children today because we’re busy having a paid meeting to discuss our pay and conditions:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/education/300891704/parents-left-scrambling-for-childcare-after-schools-close-for-union-meeting

Why are they doing this private business in school time, rather than their own time?

Because they can.

Contemptible.
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May 31, 2023 1:02pm
- MCōs
  
  My understanding is stop work meeting are unpaid.
  
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  May 31, 2023 8:18pm
  - Swifty
    
    Paid, according to the papers today.
    
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    May 31, 2023 9:42pm
rouppe

Was reading the story in the Herald (I know, I know) about layoffs at Victoria University.

Person in question was Dr Mike Joy. Given he’d moved to Victoria’s Institute for Governance and Policy Studies (IGPS) as a senior research fellow I wondered what her published recently, because with that Institute, it could be anything.

Anyway, did a search, and his last publication was 1 June 2022. Quite awhile ago. Nice gig…

What was it? “Quantifying the nitrate levels in bottled water in New Zealand”. So in his field, all good.

Thought I’d try and read it. Actually, it was only 3 pages, one of which was references.

Basically what he and his fellow researchers did was buy bottled water from different suppliers, measured nitrate levels using a machine and conclude that nitrate levels were not that high.

He sounded awfully disappointed because

Agricultural intensification in New Zealand
is a relatively recent phenomenon, meaning
the environmental impact may not have
substantially affected commercial water
sources yet. However, environmental
monitoring predominantly conducted in
2020 estimated between 95% and 99%
of New Zealand’s waterways in urban and
agricultural pasture land are polluted. For
nitrate in groundwater, 62% of nationally
monitored sites are worse than in 2010.
Further, the areas where groundwater quality
is rapidly degrading are the same areas where
the majority of bottled water is extracted.
The trends in water degradation suggest
that the commercial bottled water industry
could be vulnerable to the environmental
impacts of New Zealand’s rapid agricultural
intensification.

In other words, agriculture is bad, but I can’t prove it.

He was paid to produce that drivel
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May 31, 2023 1:05pm
- cmm
  
  “He was paid to produce that drivel”
  
  By us. Including the farmers he’s dissing.
  
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  May 31, 2023 1:53pm
- Mike
  
  Remember John Key reminded everyone that other experts could be paid to produce different views than Mike Joy’s.
  
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  May 31, 2023 2:36pm
Bridgenag

Robert Malone recommended by another blogger is one of the best reads. Worth subscribing ….this is a long read…….
“At this point, the appointed (unelected) and corrupted national and transnational (globalist) technocratic public health “leadership” caste, together with their political caste enablers, are unable to acknowledge their gross failures of public policy decision making. The evidence of their profound incompetence and inability to effectively manage what in retrospect appears to have been a highly infectious but relatively modest disease threat is being aggressively memory holed, and this “leadership”, together with their purchased corporate media and Information Technology sycophants, are doubling down on censorship and propaganda in a desperate attempt to bury any evidence of their willfully gross incompetence, malfeasance, and maleficence. Yes, maleficence is the proper term.”

Are Independent Nation-States Obsolete?
Is a globalized command-economy unelected technocracy a viable alternative?

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/are-independent-nation-states-obsolete?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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May 31, 2023 1:55pm
Maggie Pie

See where Shaneel (They/Them) Lall has put out a plea to ‘NZ-Blood-Services’….. that they allow men who have sex with men to give blood.

https://twitter.com/shaneellall/status/1663508153923936256

If he visits their website, he’ll find they already can.
It states…..Gay & Bisexual men can give blood if they abstain from Oral and Anal sex with other men for 3 months.

Although they do not give any indication of what order.
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May 31, 2023 3:35pm
- mandk
  
  From whom would you rather receive blood, if you needed it: a homosexual man who might have lied about abstaining from oral and anal sex with other men, or from someone who happened to have been in the UK for more than six months between 1980 and 1996?
  
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  May 31, 2023 4:31pm
  - Ghost
    
    If I needed blood I wouldn’t care where it came from. The blood bank tests it.
    
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    May 31, 2023 4:34pm
miltonF

So we have a Sir Ashley Bloomfield eh? I’ll post my thoughts here as Stuff news moderators are having a field day. Only positive comments are being allowed by the looks

For starters, his position was supposed to be apolitical yet Ashley was anything but. Him and Jacinda, up on the podium of truth speaking misinformation every day.

He forced an untested and unproven, experimental therapy onto to the public with his vaccine mandates. He overruled Medsafe’s recommendation not to mandate the “vaccine”. This product failed to achieve what he sold us it would. “Safe and effective” Ashley. The jab did not prevent transmission, which was the entire premise for the mandates. Some people’s health was negatively effected by the jab and some even died. This was an enormous breach of our human rights by an unelected bureaucrat.

Then we could talk about the Hippocratic oath. I’m not sure that Ashley even knows what that is. Informed consent? Pffft. First do no harm? Blegh. Only give medicines to people in need? Nahhhh. Who needs those antiquated principles eh Ash?

Then there’s the current state of the health system in general. In good shape is it Ashley? Any nurses striking? Pay freezes? How about staff shortages? Anyone being bumped-off ever lengthening waiting lists? Got Dunedin hospital built yet? How’s that apartheid-like separation of the health system working out? My opinion is that the Director-General of health has failed spectacularly in his role.

Then once the public learned the truth the hard way, Ashley packed up and jumped ship like the rat he is….and we give him a knighthood?? Am I the only person who can see something wrong with this? If anything, we should be confiscating his medical licence over the aforementioned breaches of human rights, his lack of understanding of core medical principles and his epic failure in the role of Director-General of health.
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May 31, 2023 4:27pm
- Keith White
  
  If there was a level of coverup greater than 100%, the Medical Council would apply it to his metaphorical now-knighted backside.
  
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  May 31, 2023 7:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

What is this shit? Sit down with Woods and Parkers and say we have a much better plan? Come on Luxon! These pricks know they don’t have the time before the Election, so they will not play ball. Why are you still sucking up to them??
Video 9 min. The bit where Luxon sucks up is near the end, say 8 min in. Fuck!!

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/we-are-going-to-build-houses-luxon-urges-labour-to-come-on-board-with-nats-new-plan/ar-AA1bUjTO
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May 31, 2023 4:35pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Great! You can now get Knighted for doing your job telling lies to the New Zealand people. You know he is a lair, along with the rest of the group. Blofeld ran like Fauci ran.
Mods may not like this, but I do like the truth.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/watch-huge-privilege-sir-ashley-bloomfield-formally-knighted/ar-AA1bUk2D
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May 31, 2023 4:54pm
- MCōs
  
  Blofeld was an idiosyncratic cricket commentator.
  
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  May 31, 2023 5:38pm
  - Mike
    
    Different spelling. Blofeld was a Bond villain.
    
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    May 31, 2023 6:40pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You never get satire do you Mike?
      Ernst Stavro Blofeld is a Bond character, head of a World crime organisation. Fits Bloomfield perfectly.
      
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      June 1, 2023 8:58am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  I personally know only one person who got knighted. That person was not a nice person.
  
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  May 31, 2023 6:45pm
  - Mike
    
    Small sample size.
    
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    May 31, 2023 7:16pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Note how the Blofeld brought out not one but two blowflies? Intent on laying their maggoty eggs in your misspelled name and distract the reader with their annoying buzzing.
  
  On your AB, JA, Michael Baker, Siousxie, Simon Wilson, Hipkins, Robertson, Orr, Mallard, Clark etc etc – so many lying scum desperately axing the hull of our ship and getting rewarded heartily in the process.
  
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  May 31, 2023 9:21pm
Ghost

How about, bring back the $5, but free for those on a community service or gold card and promise to make more prescription medicine subsided.

The National Party says it will make women pay a fee for their contraception prescriptions if it wins the election.

The Government this month moved to scrap $5 prescription fees, costing about $154 million a year. It was the centerpiece in the Budget and free prescriptions will kick in from July 1.

Article
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May 31, 2023 5:23pm
Maggie Pie

My partners txt Norhern and Southern motorways blocked again dur to ‘police incident’.
Says hes going to be late for diner. And i’d book in for thai.
Honesly…this crime laden city is worse than f–ing somalia!!!
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May 31, 2023 5:27pm
- Keith White
  
  In Mogadishu back in the day you could also pick up an AK47 (fairly well used tho’, and Indian-made) at the Bakaaraha Market for about $200US. (Russian original was double). That type of Capitalism on our very own Queen Street would sort out the feral crims toute de suite… reference what happened to the James-Younger Gang in the Northfield Raid.
  
  (You could also get an RPG launcher in the same principle as buying a printer: $150 for the launcher, and then $150 for each new cartridge oops I mean grenade).
  
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  May 31, 2023 7:57pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://www.facebook.com/reel/926762151902440

Don’t click if you don’t like simple humour (that leaves lefties out)
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May 31, 2023 5:36pm
Maggie Pie

Listing to HDPA. She going off thre rails!!
Recons that Simon o’connor will lose his seat because 0f hios conservitive views on homosexuality.
The womanis losing it!!!
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May 31, 2023 5:49pm
- Nickc2
  
  Who cares, so long as he loses it!
  
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  May 31, 2023 5:57pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Discombobulated at it’s best.
  The speeling is shocking, so yeah, I will have another drink.
  
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  May 31, 2023 6:21pm
  - Keith White
    
    “Everybody needs to believe in somethin’
    I believe I’ll have another beer”
    
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    May 31, 2023 7:58pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This morning I posted similar.

https://billingsreport.com/__trashed-14/

Now where is the reporting on interference from Katie Hobbs – the so called winner that would not recuse herself?
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May 31, 2023 6:27pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“I am not a crook”
OK. If you don’t have an adblocker just dismiss.

https://libertyonenews.com/fbi-refuses-to-hand-over-document-linking-joe-biden-to-bribery-scheme/
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May 31, 2023 6:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

No climate change if it was not for Racisim.
Your favourite traitor. My head hurts.

https://thepatriotchronicles.com/news-for-you/jane-fonda-blames-white-men-for-climate-crisis-demands-they-be-jailed-asap/
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May 31, 2023 6:43pm
Keith White

Just in time for Knight Day:

“According to newly revealed Israeli Ministry of Health data, during the entire epidemic there were zero deaths (that’s 0, nil, none, naught, zilch, null) from COVID to anyone under fifty who was of average and reasonable health.

“Zero healthy individuals under the age of 50 have died of COVID-19 in Israel, according to newly released data. “Zero deceased of 18–49 years of age with no underlying morbidities,” the Israel Ministry of Health (MOH) said in response to a formal request from an attorney. Officials noted that the statement only applies to COVID-19 deaths where the MOH conducted an epidemiological investigation and had received information about the underlying diseases.
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