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Jade Warrior

Just what does National think it’s doing?

Yesterday their transport spokesman came up with a completely sensible and rational view on the question of bilingual road signs – and it is a view that I think would resonate with most New Zealanders who are fed up with the efforts by many to try and force us to adopt Te Reo. But then the party goes and shoots itself in the foot.

Chris Bishop’s statement that “we support bilingual road signs in principle” is not only weasel words, it aids the impression of many commentators that National is just “flip flopping” on the issues of the day and that, moreover, nobody in the party seems to have a firm grip on the Party’s messaging and what National’s policy should be on the issues of the day.

Bishop’s words also suggest that National is still trying to please everyone. National needs to realise that people who support things like bilingual road signs are typically not supporters of National and they never will be. Just for once – I would love to see the party coming out with a clear, unequivocal position on a controversial issue.

If I may borrow one of Maggie Pie’s catchphrases … SHEESH!
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May 30, 2023 8:04am
- krazykiwi
  
  “National is still trying to please everyone”
  
  Until we have three or more parties capable of forming a government this will continue. In the words of Groucho Marx – “Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them…well I have others.”
  
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  May 30, 2023 9:11am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    Krazy, isn’t it absolutely vital for a party seeking election to the halls of power to please as many voters as they can?
    
    I’m very positive about a Luxon lead National Act coalition.
    Luxon has:
    – developed a strategic plan for National’s electoral success.
    – got buy in from the National caucus.
    – ignored mud slinging from the despicable NZ media, Labour and (disappointingly) ACT sycophants.
    – developed a succint bullet list of National’s goals which he and his minister’s articulate at every opportunity,
    – published sensible National policy
    – told NZ he prefers the name NZ
    – circumvented the despicable NZ media by using local events and meetings to get himself in front of voters, most of whom like what they see.
    – taken National to the lead in the left leaning 1 news kantar poll – can’t wait to see the Roy Morgan.
    
    Meanwhile ACT leader David Seymour (who I previously had enormous respect for despite his almost non existent enduring policy achievements) tells us there are no excess deaths in NZ!
    
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    May 30, 2023 11:14am
- kowtow
  
  The answer is party vote Act .
  
  Our democracy and the rule of law depend on it.
  
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  May 30, 2023 9:13am
  - 2ic
    
    It’s unfortunate that Seymour turned his back on those of us who chose not to get the Covid-19 vaccine. For this reason alone he’s lost my vote (I voted Act last election).
    
    That dead rat is just a bit too big for me to swallow after what I’ve had to put up with over the last couple of years.
    
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    May 30, 2023 11:37am
    - H. Upmann
      
      Who will your vote go to then?
      Any vote other than Act or National is a vote for Labour.
      
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      May 30, 2023 12:49pm
      - waikatosinger
        
        I will swallow the rat and vote ACT anyway. But I know many who plan to vote for Winston First. Being out during covid and not having to take sides has advantages.
        
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        May 30, 2023 2:30pm
    - kowtow
      
      Yep , but what’s the viable alternative ?
      
      Voting for any party involves rats .
      
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      May 30, 2023 1:01pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Last Election – was the last Election. Come on 2ic. Those rats are fleeing!
      Where the fuck is Jaspinda now? Nobody knows, but why does nobody know?
      Try some overseas videos, she is out there lying to the WORLD!!
      
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      May 30, 2023 6:54pm
- A deplorable
  
  Jade, The object is for National and ACT to maximise their vote IN AGGREGATE. National needs to attract all the centre votes it can, so let it compete with Labour in the centre and leave ACT to take the votes on the right. There is no point National and ACT overlapping on the spectrum.
  
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  May 30, 2023 9:18am
  - Ghost
    
    I don’t think people realise that to win this election national need to win the centre and left of centre voters. They want a more right leaning national, but that would not win the election
    
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    May 30, 2023 9:20am
    - ISeeRed
      
      This has been argued every election since we switched to MMP. And look where we are now as a country.
      
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      May 30, 2023 9:28am
      - Ghost
        
        Where are we as a country, after everything the left has done we have a country that still supports the left. This election will be won by national convincing those on the left to vote for national, it will be won by labour keeping those votes. If you want national to go more right labour will win their third term
        
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        May 30, 2023 9:46am
      - septic skeptic
        
        This thinking results in the same socialist policies just delivered in a blue wrapper. At some point you have to win the debate and take the country with you.
        
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        May 30, 2023 12:38pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        That’s true.
        
        Perhaps we should fully implement that strategy, that National sit firmly on the centre-left, and let ACT take everything else, which over time will reduce National to something about the size of what ACT is now, ACT being able to use National as a foil while it actually runs the country.
        
        🙂
        
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        May 30, 2023 12:45pm
    - Che Guava
      
      Trump went further right than any candidate since probably Nixon – and he won, despite what the talking heads said (and hoped). There is this idea that people recoil at muscularly right wing platforms that eschew the liberal orthodoxy, when I think that a good portion of the electorate are hankering for a party with some balls.
      
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      May 30, 2023 11:18am
      - Ra Henare
        
        Keeping in mind that Trump won by a very narrow whisker!!
        Due to the vagarites of the US electoral system.
        It does not match MMP AT ALL>
        
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        May 30, 2023 2:06pm
      - Flossie
        
        He may well have won in 2016, but – whatever he asserts – he did not win in 2020.
        
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        May 30, 2023 2:31pm
    - I remember when
      
      Ghost:
      Yes. We have to hope that National is going to move further to the right if they win, more than they seem to be suggesting they will.
      They have had six years to realise that you have no ability to do anything when you don’t.
      
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      May 30, 2023 2:18pm
    - waikatosinger
      
      Left vs right isn’t the main divide these days. National can win by just being honest, by not having secret sneaky agendas, and most importantly by putting the long term interests of the country first.
      
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      May 30, 2023 2:44pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I am accused of being Nats main supporter, that is not true, I just want rid of these sickening mongrels, anyone that doesn’t understand the Nats have to straddle the centre clearly haven’t got a clue, sadly those leopard the loudest haters of the Nats, it’s quite simple really, snd there is no third side of the house
      
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      May 30, 2023 8:18pm
  - leoj
    
    MMP has delivered the Namby-Pamby Party.
    
    Luxon and National have forgotten that it is impossible to please everyone, all the time.
    
    The reason they are treading water is simply because they are looking like they don’t know which way to turn out of fear.
    
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    May 30, 2023 10:01am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Leo, have you seen the latest poll?
      
      National would bring in 47 seats on those numbers. Add to that the 15 seats from Act and it makes 62 seats and enough to form a government.
      
      The Dark Knight parody springs to mind.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmInkxbvlCs
      
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      May 30, 2023 10:49am
      - Ghost
        
        Still a very close election, too close
        
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        May 30, 2023 11:09am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      As opposed to keeping labour and having that absolute shambles of Greens and TPM and that is not worth thinking about, meanwhile Nats will not give a budget to be wasted on Māori signage
      
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      May 30, 2023 8:21pm
  - Philview
    
    The issue is the mixed messaging. A strong statement on Sunday that is walked back on Monday. This is happening a lot.
    
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    May 30, 2023 10:08am
    - Dougal10
      
      Labour do this a lot , the difference is the monday bit isn’t reported thanks to the $55m fund
      
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      May 30, 2023 10:40am
      - kowtow
        
        But that’s not the point ,is it.
        
        If the Nats want those votes they shouldn’t be showing any disarray , esp at this point.
        
        It’s not exactly inspiring of any confidence at all.
        
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        May 30, 2023 10:56am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Maybe it is to confuse the disenfranchised left
      
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      May 30, 2023 8:22pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    A deplorable – great advice, so tell National to stop flip flopping and get a consistent message out.
    This latest gaffe just made them look weak.
    
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    May 30, 2023 11:00am
- Xquenda Choudhury
  
  They would win a lot of votes if they said they would make English Government agency names the predominant names. Yes there would be cries of ‘racist’ but none of those folk will ever vote National.
  
  This is the list of Government departments. Take a look at it and spot the problem. You would think they would be in alphabetical order. But no they are in some random order. To find the one you are looking for, you need to tell your brain to discard the first phrases in Maori and look through the entire list looking for the one you want.
  
  https://www.publicservice.govt.nz/system/central-government-organisations/#public-service-departments
  
  Why on earth can’t they provide a list in Maori and a list in English?
  
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  May 30, 2023 9:43am
  - Matt Long
    
    Because they’re “nudging” us to learn the new dominant language.
    
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    May 30, 2023 10:04am
    - Xquenda Choudhury
      
      Really? How many folk could tell you the Maori names for each Government agency? (excluding the few with exclusive Maori names like ‘Kainga Ora’) I would wager that not one person in 1000 could tell you the Maori name of a single Government agency.
      
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      May 30, 2023 10:22am
      - Burtland
        
        Te Pūkenga has a 7% brand name recognition
        
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        May 30, 2023 10:53am
    - Burtland
      
      maori speakers – 1% proficient, 3% basic
      
      dominant or extinct?
      
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      May 30, 2023 10:50am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      No where have they said that, infact they are saying money is best spent on front line services like fixing f…..n pot holes, or RUA for the Māori
      
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      May 30, 2023 8:24pm
  - nathie
    
    I wonder what happened to commonsense? It’s really simple:
    
    For (Govt) entities representing “everyone” (all NZers i.e. Pakeha, Maori, Pasifika, Asian, Indian, Thai, Malay etc) the prominent name is in English! (Sure have a Maori translation if that’s important but under the English name and smaller font).
    
    For entities representing Maori interests (Whanau Ora, Te Wānanga etc) the prominent name is in Maori! (Sure have an English translation if that’s important but under the Maori name and smaller font).
    
    It’s not hard!!!
    
    But as someone here said yesterday, we now have the absurdity of the MSM referring to “Te Whatu Ora and the Maori Health Authority” in the same sentence. Madness!
    
    Just say “Heath NZ and Te Aka Whai Ora”, that way everyone knows which organisation represents them!
    
    (Or when being “PC” or educational just say “Health NZ/Te Whatu Ora and Te Aka Whai Ora/Māori Health Authority” so there is no-doubt)!
    
    Labour = Makes Things Worse … everytime!
    
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    May 30, 2023 10:24am
  - thirteenstars
    
    “Why on earth can’t they provide a list in Maori and a list in English?”
    
    Because the goal is to get IN YOUR FACE, all the time and as loudly as possible. To offer you no respite from the constant barrage, and the reminder that they are in charge and there is nowhere to run.
    
    Disruption and conflict is the tactic, the goal being to make you withdraw and accept their dominance.
    
    It’s called the long march through the culture. They got your kids and your grandkids, and now they’re coming for you.
    
    On a more technical note, best practice in information technology when publishing is to allow the user to select the language of their choice and the page is displayed in that language and is remembered by the device which will display all subsequent requests in that language until the user changes their selection.
    
    But that wouldn’t serve their purpose which is not to impart information but to swing their fists right in front of your face.
    
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    May 30, 2023 12:54pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Note that the ones that hand out free stuff to self-identified Maori & Leftie lickspittles are known by Maori names – Oranga Tamariki, Waka Kotahi – while departments that do the hard yards – IRD, Corrections – aren’t.
    
    On which topic, note Corrections’ craven cave-in to a Tainui complaint about a call for Maori staff to help Waikato Whanau. Even though self-identified Maoris dominate the prison population.
    
    Curs.
    
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/bay-of-plenty/300891643/corrections-urgently-pulling-prison-officer-ad-after-racism-complaints
    
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    May 30, 2023 8:08pm
- herb1
  
  Easiest way to sort this mess is ask the anti colonialists to stop using the English alphabet in their Te Reo and the many competing tribes and IWI could never agree on creating their own letter symbols .
  Alternatively ask them for financial redress for using English letters. They are very quick to demand reparation for any use of their proprietary rights
  
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  May 30, 2023 9:56am
  - Dave Winefield
    
    The thing we need to demand from these cossetted Socialists is service. I rang TNZ yesterday, got through the dead rat of the Maori language, to be told there was a 28 – 39 minute wait, and to use their internet site. I penned an email to them, and received a message that they would respond to my email within 15 working days. I wanted to report a scam email I had received ostensibly from them. In 1964 I had a temporary job in the Dep of Education. I had to provide a written reply letter to requests in 48 hours. Including typing time. And we talk service!!~
    
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    May 30, 2023 12:33pm
    - Ghost
      
      Just delete the email or in the online mail mark it as spam, no need to ring them
      
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      May 30, 2023 12:35pm
  - Bullion
    
    You do realise that Maori is romanised, its not using the English alphabet and has its own alphabet – 10 consonants, and 5 vowels – of which there are a short and long version (could consider it 10 vowels).
    
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    May 30, 2023 3:37pm
    - John Loveridge
      
      Alphabets are a racist western construct, aren’t they?
      
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      May 30, 2023 7:48pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Not to mention macrons
        
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        May 30, 2023 8:09pm
- leoj
  
  What’s the bet that only the established English place-names and road signs will be dual language.
  
  The established maori place-names and road signs will be untouched.
  
  Auckland get lumbered with a new name but Whakatane will not.
  
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  May 30, 2023 10:15am
  - kowtow
    
    haven’t they already done it in any number of places that were macronised.
    
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    May 30, 2023 1:04pm
- Ehlana
  
  I have no problem with bilingual road signs. Or bilingual anything else. But there is a sensible way to do this, which I have seen done occasionally.
  
  On signs, it is to list languages in order of local use. So, on your marae, or iwi-owned farm, you might well put Maori first then English. But on the roads of New Zealand, you would put English first, then Maori. And you can still do that for places like Taupo which are spelt differently in the two languages.
  
  It would be a real test of why people want bilingual signs to suggest this. If they genuinely just want both languages to be there, my suggestion works. But if they really want pretend Maori superiority, they’ll be offended.
  
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  May 30, 2023 10:15am
  - Ian Boag
    
    And of course if we bilingualised (?) the Tutaekuri River …. 🙂
    
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    May 30, 2023 11:00am
    - Ehlana
      
      You may well find that it is already spelt differently in Maori Ian. There could be a line on top of one of those letters, or maybe a couple of dots.
      
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      May 30, 2023 11:53am
      - Colville
        
        I don’t believe it would have ever been spelt in Maori.. Its always been translated to English so it can be written down.
        
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        May 30, 2023 12:45pm
      - Bullion
        
        OMG. You live in NZ and didn’t know that Maori doesn’t use “dots”/umlauts.
        
        I can only imagine how long you have kept your head in the sand and want to continue to do so.
        
        I am a middle aged immigrant, been in NZ for almost 27 years, and I can’t believe how closed off and uninquisitive people are.
        
        And Maori was not translated to English, it was romanised. Kai – is romanised, food – is the translation.
        
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        May 30, 2023 3:47pm
      - Jack5
        
        Bullion’s … Maori was not translated to English, it was romanised.
        
        Romanised means “conversion of text from a different writing system to the Roman (Latin) script.”
        
        Maori didn’t have a different writing system, so one was created first, by English missionaries, and then by Professor Samuel Lee, of Cambridge University, working with the chief Hongi Hika.
        
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        May 30, 2023 7:41pm
      - Bullion
        
        Thank you Jack5 for highlighting how Te Reo was romanised.
        
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        May 31, 2023 10:32am
      - Jack5
        
        Bullion, the Maori written language never had to be “Romanised”. It was created with Roman characters.
        
        Spoken Maori hasn’t been Romanised. Otherwise it might sound like Italian, Spanish, or Rumanian.
        
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        June 1, 2023 9:52am
    - CausticAcrostic
      
      A misconception here. It actually translates to “Dog Offal”, not doodoo. A few centuries back, a Chief ordered dozens of his prized dogs to be slaughtered and cooked on the banks of the river to feed a party of starving travellers. The entrails were thrown into it’s stream.
      
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      May 30, 2023 4:05pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Every time National does this kind of thing it only strengthens ACT’s position that they are there to keep National honest.
  
  Regards the signs themselves, here’s a sample:
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/media/3zsbraj4/te-matawai-and-waka-kotahi-have-released-a-range-of-bilingual-traffic-signs-for-public-consultation.jpg
  
  They are more confusing than an English-only sign. In the first instance they require more input to be processed when a driver is already engaged in an information-heavy task: driving safely.
  
  All of those examples have different meanings if you aren’t fluent in Maori, which only a tiny percentage of the population is. Is the sign saying Te Ara Puaki is the name of this expressway, or is it saying expressway in Maori and then in English. Rinse and repeat for the other signs.
  
  It really is virtue signalling on steroids. The purpose of a road sign is to communicate important information clearly and concisely. These signs do neither. In some regards they are actually a safety hazard.
  
  For those of a more philosophical bent, they also provide an example of the neo-Marxist drive to cause cognitive dissonance and frustration in the culture, ultimately to promote conflict, opponents neatly being labelled as racists.
  
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  May 30, 2023 10:49am
  - rouppe
    
    That is exactly the submission I made this morning.
    
    Drivers have to take their eyes of the road for longer to process the words to a point where they can separate the English, before then taking in the message.
    
    Hipkins loves to say “they do it in Ireland” but fails to mention that the Irish words are (usually)
    * A different colour
    * Italicised
    
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    May 30, 2023 12:03pm
  - I remember when
    
    Only after looking at the signs, did I realise that the “Look twice for Motor Cyclists” was already a bilingual sign.
    
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    May 30, 2023 1:56pm
  - Bullion
    
    What your comment tells me is that you think people in NZ to be dumber, not able to process bilingual signs as say people in Ireland – of which a similar proportion of the population speak the native language as Te Reo is spoken in NZ.
    
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    May 30, 2023 3:52pm
    - thirteenstars
      
      Not at all. I said the signs were presenting redundant information and in a manner that adds nothing and creates extra noise in an already noisy environment.
      
      What you appear to be saying is that in a country where 100% of literate people can read English it is necessary to pay lip service to, and therefore to patronise, a tiny percentage of the population who gain nothing by having signs in a language that only they can understand.
      
      It’s almost as nutty as having the signs also in braille, another official language of NZ.
      
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      May 30, 2023 5:27pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Act won’t be keeping anyone honest
    
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    May 30, 2023 8:27pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I think they still say the safety aspect is a worry, not so sure they have changed that, from what I read is the likes of place names on road signs was fine but not direct messaging, media have twisted this, when Brown came back he stated the safety aspect is still their worry
  
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  May 30, 2023 12:35pm
softail 1450

HDPA, “Chippie is the only asset they’ve got” WOW right there is an indication of how shallow our political pond really is when it comes to PM’s, if Hipkins is the best the left have got we are completely F – – –D if they win in October.
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May 30, 2023 8:09am
- Xquenda Choudhury
  
  It is totally correct. Think about the “Top 6”
  
  Carmel Sepuloni (out of her depth)
  
  Kelvin Davis (LOL)
  
  Grant Robertson (ruled himself out)
  
  Megan Woods (probably the best choice if Hipkins was hit by a bus)
  
  Michael Wood (too smarmy)
  
  Jan Tinetti (LOL)
  
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  May 30, 2023 9:54am
  - rockape
    
    Anna Lorke please , she is so funny !
    
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    May 30, 2023 11:10am
    - Colville
      
      Free chardonnay for all!
      
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      May 30, 2023 12:46pm
  - gravedodger
    
    Err no X, top ministers are Mahuta, Jackson, Davis, Allen, Henare, Prime, Tirikatene, Davidson.
    They are all in a cupboard somewhere until October 15th unless it is necessary to wheel any one of them out.
    
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    May 30, 2023 2:36pm
Tomtoddy

Simon Wilson, backed by the Feralds’ masters continues the relentless attack on Luxon. It is important that the sensible blogs keep calling out this evil. It is now all-out attack dog but constant exposure and ridicule are the only counters.
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May 30, 2023 8:10am
- Chuck Bird
  
  To be fair Hosking was this morning and with some justification. Simeon Brown opposed roads in Maori. The next day National does a flip-flop on the issue. What changed some internal polling and focus groups?
  
  That is why I am now voting for Act.
  
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  May 30, 2023 8:18am
  - NK
    
    Brown clearly spoke out of turn, without Luxon’s approval. Not enough time for focus groups and polling in one day.
    
    But Luxon didn’t even front it, Chris Bishop did.
    
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    May 30, 2023 8:22am
    - Geoff1
      
      Did Bishop also speak out of turn?
      
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      May 30, 2023 8:26am
      - greybeard
        
        I think so. Maybe getting a bit carried away with his ego.
        
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        May 30, 2023 9:32am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Bishop is the campaign manager. Cleaning up messes is part of his job.
      
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      May 30, 2023 8:36am
      - pdm
        
        Not sure he (Bishop) should have got involved on this one Inv. Brown was right on the mark.
        
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        May 30, 2023 8:40am
      - Nukuleka
        
        Road signs in Maori is ridiculous virtue- signaling.
        
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        May 30, 2023 8:40am
      - NK
        
        Thanks for confirming Brown’s announcement was a “mess”.
        
        I’d go one step further and say it’s National that’s the mess.
        
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        May 30, 2023 8:55am
      - backster
        
        I agree with Brown. Which language will be on top? Which will have the larger print? National should not be party to such nonsense and should stick to calling attention to the non action on potholes and speed restriction nonsense in our urban areas.
        
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        May 30, 2023 9:08am
      - RoboRob
        
        If thats true Tony you need to have a word with him, because hes doing a shit job. If I know that my leader has just taken a stake in the sand on an issue, I should know that contradicting him in public is a mistake. WTF was Brown thinking. Why TF has Bishop no had a sit down with them all and told them not to contradict their damn leader.
        
        I thought the Nats were supposed to be the competant ones?
        
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        May 30, 2023 9:12am
      - leoj
        
        Bishop: Mr Compulsory Door-to-Door Jab?
        
        That Bishop?
        
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        May 30, 2023 10:04am
      - I remember when
        
        Sorry Nukuleka my mistake.
        The argument against dual language road signs is that they are there to direct us.
        Not to educate us.
        
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        May 30, 2023 2:04pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Well I thought Luxon actually mentioned he was worried about the signs before Brown, it looks like Hipengo has kicked up a fuss snd she is standing in a Māori electorate
      
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      May 30, 2023 8:30pm
  - kingerstinger
    
    My plan precisely. I even shot Chris Bishop a Facebook message about it. He replied again saying National agree “in principle” with it. Why? What a monumentally dumb idea, and more proof that National is Labour with a different coat of paint. Disgraceful.
    
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    May 30, 2023 8:30am
    - RoboRob
      
      Pathetic and the exact opposite of what his leader says. HDPA was on the radio last night saying a number of National MPs seem to be embarrased by being conservative. That they would fit better in Labour. Seems the proof is in.
      
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      May 30, 2023 9:09am
      - H. Upmann
        
        “….fit better in Labour”
        Luxon and Bishop for starters.
        
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        May 30, 2023 9:42am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      It’s horrendously expensive virtue signaling that serves absolutely zero purpose. Another simple win for National, but they seem determined not to offend anyone – except for the many thousands of people harmed by the covid policies apparently. Odd behaviour that won’t be forgotten.
      
      Bring back Latin I say.
      
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      May 30, 2023 9:27am
      - kingerstinger
        
        Bang on. It’s woefully vanilla politics that just gets lost in the media noise.
        
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        May 30, 2023 12:41pm
      - kowtow
        
        Bugger the Romans.
        
        Biggest crowd of colonising , war mongering , invading, slave trading genocidaires by a long shot.
        
        Bring back Celtic Ogham runes!
        
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        May 30, 2023 1:08pm
      - Jack5
        
        Kowtow’s …Bugger the Romans.
        
        They built bloody good roads, though. Their aquaducts were might for their time, too.
        
        Imagine if the Gauls or the Britons had dared ask for joint ownership of the aquaducts.😄
        
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        May 30, 2023 7:53pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      What does “in principle” mean – in this context?
      Please explain, Mr Bishop.
      Does it mean that National really like the idea but are too scared to say out loud in case it costs them some votes?
      Of they really don’t like it for same reason?
      “In principle” is a nothing statement which can be interpreted any way you like.
      Family member went to meeting here recently to hear Mr Bishop. Sorry, not impressed.
      Had little of substance to offer.
      Just hedging, non-committal, wait and see, weak answers.
      
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      May 30, 2023 9:52am
  - peterwn
    
    You were always going to vote for ACT.
    
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    May 30, 2023 8:31am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      I certainly wasn’t. Luxon and Collins changed that. If Bridges got in a second time National would be doing a lot better.
      
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      May 30, 2023 9:06am
      - Ghost
        
        Simon was going down in the polls, he wasn’t get any support with the public. Yet people still cling to him being the saviour of national, he wasn’t.
        
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        May 30, 2023 9:09am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Ghost, I am talking about Bridges having a second go.
        
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        May 30, 2023 9:29am
      - Matt Long
        
        Pre covid, how were national doing in the polls Ghost? Before people even had a chance to see just how shocking Ardern and Labour are.
        It’s all irrelevant now anyhow, Bridges is gone, Collins kamakazed him, the wets got Luxon in charge, and he appears to be so conflicted between woke and misstepping that there’s few coherent messages coming out.
        If Get Boosted is the campaign manager it doesn’t look very good for national.
        
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        May 30, 2023 10:19am
      - kingerstinger
        
        I voted for ACT in 2020 because National, quite frankly, deserved punishing for how fucking woeful and entitled their election campaigning was.
        
        Luxon’s so bloody boring and fringe woke that ACT will be getting my party vote again. I’ll electorate vote National.
        
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        May 30, 2023 12:42pm
      - Ghost
        
        That’s the problem with our politics, people vote on the leader and not policy
        
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        May 30, 2023 12:44pm
      - Flossie
        
        Matt Long…wasn’t Collins who got rid of Bridges. It was that guy from Tauranga who packed it in after a couple of months. Then came Collins.
        
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        May 30, 2023 11:21pm
      - Ghost
        
        Pre Covid Simon bridges was tanking, he was shit in the house, would get Jacinda to where she was getting frustrated and then would change to a new question, never kept going u til she broke. He was crap. And you cannot blame Covid, bridges was rolled in may 2020. And bad polls that came out before Covid Simon wouldn’t believe. At one point in his leadership Judith was polling better than him. National was sliding in the polls under his leadership and he couldn’t stop it. His fans were blind to the damage he was doing
        
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        May 30, 2023 11:32pm
  - Stuart
    
    Don’t be so sure, Seymour is all in on pushing Maori language.
    
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    May 30, 2023 8:55am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Seymore is on record or opposing traffic signs in Maori.
      
      Check Act’s FB.
      
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      May 30, 2023 9:58am
    - kowtow
      
      Citation required.
      
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      May 30, 2023 1:10pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Nonsense.
      
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      May 30, 2023 1:38pm
  - RoboRob
    
    Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. This could have been labours ‘water restrictors and compulsory energy saving lightbulbs’ moment. I am sure a vast majority of voters would see the street signs as a step to far and a meddling government not focused on the real issues. Luxon did well, for once, to take a stand.
    
    Then national immediately fuck it up and turn it into an attack weapon for Labour. Now we have journalists and Labour attacking National for not having its shit together and flip flopping. Sadly the evidence seems to point in that direction.
    
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    May 30, 2023 9:07am
  - nathie
    
    Even road signs in Fiji are in English.
    
    https://www.lta.com.fj/docs/default-source/traffic-signs/fiji-road-signs-poster.pdf?sfvrsn=2
    
    Why is NZ Aotearoa going against international norms?
    
    And Chippie is full of BS, he said this morning it won’t cost anything to go to bilingual signs. Nonsense how many $millions were spent on Consultants and Design changes?
    
    Where Labour goes wrong is if they had the English name prominent with the Maori translation below in smaller font, they may get less push-back. Instead Labour goes full Woke having the Maori name prominent – it’s not up to Labour and NZTA to “educate” us, particularly when Safety is the primary concern (as in safely processing information at speed in an instant).
    
    Note how the MSM is pushing this “education” angle too … but they are hypocrites, since when does the MSM (Stuff, RNZ, TVNZ, Newhub etc) refer to themselves by their Maori name prominently? Most of them don’t even have a Maori name translation for themselves! Hypocrites!!
    
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    May 30, 2023 9:08am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      nathie – it’s completely silly policy. We often hear these clowns telling us how they have dual signs in places like Wales and Ireland. Just because someone else wants to virtue signal doesn’t make it a good idea.
      
      Here’s an example of the issues it can cause from Ireland. A place I’ve got a good knowledge of and affinity with.
      
      Two councils have become embroiled in rows over the Irish language — but they’re in the Republic, not Northern Ireland.
      One of the authorities has protested over the use of “confusing” exclusively Irish road signs while another has demanded the re-instatement of the English title of its leader.
      
      Councillors in Claregalway, 10 miles north of Galway city, have claimed that businesses in the area have been losing out on customers for several years because many potential visitors don’t understand Irish.
      
      And the politicians said that as a result, motorists don’t realise that the Baile Chlair signs on the Gort to Tuam motorway are actually Irish for Claregalway which is in a Gaeltacht area, an Irish-speaking community.
      
      Independent councillor Jim Cuddy said: “It’s no disrespect to the Irish language but a lot of people haven’t a clue where they’re going.
      
      “I know there is particular legislation for the Gaeltacht but there is no logic not to have bilingual signs.”
      
      https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/row-over-irish-language-road-signs-erupts-in-the-republic/40977727.html
      
      Place names in dual language is one thing, with a nice design it can be actually appealing as a curiosity to visitors.
      But our other traffic signs are for information and safety. The messaging needs to be unambiguous, simple to understand, easily absorbed. Especially when driving at higher speeds.
      
      The proposed signs I’ve seen from NZTA are a horrendous mess, almost illegible, confusing and I believe dangerous. Apart from this, the whole forcing of it onto the public will have the opposite effect for many people.
      It is antagonistic and it is coercive. Most people don’t like being bullied like this.
      
      National just looked indecisive.
      
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      May 30, 2023 9:48am
      - nathie
        
        Good points and good to see some international perspectives reinforcing that the status quo “ain’t broke and doesn’t need fixing”!
        
        Pity Labour are tone death but what’s worse is they do these things deliberately, by stealth, then dog whistle their supporters to “attack” those wanting the status quo as “racists”. Plenty of MSM political commentators and journos eagerly pitch in … somehow National (and ACT) need to realise they can ignore them!
        
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        May 30, 2023 10:11am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        nathie – National just need to stop the knee jerk reaction.
        
        If a policy is stupid or indefensible, as this one is, then point that out, and explain why. Do what I did. Look for examples of why there might be issues with the policy and clearly point that out.
        
        Get the message to the public. Social media, whatever outlet you can get it on. But point out the stupidity of what is being proposed.
        
        People aren’t stupid. Just tell them what and why and stop catering to opinion polls and focus groups.
        
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        May 30, 2023 10:46am
      - Ra Henare
        
        Keep in mind the high level thinking of National.
        
        We agree in principle scuttles the debate and really means
        Not in our lifetime.(ie no budget for it)
        
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        May 30, 2023 2:15pm
    - kingerstinger
      
      NZTA’s website cites Wales as an example of why this is a good idea.
      
      A small fact that escaped them…20% of the population there speak Welsh.
      
      8% (barely) speak Maori here.
      
      Case closed, shit idea.
      
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      May 30, 2023 12:45pm
      - kowtow
        
        According to wiki at the last census in 2021 the figure was 17.8 , so someone’s telling porkies.
        
        btw I also suspect that 17.8 is a high , nationalist figure and self reported .So in itself is unreliable , boyo.
        
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        May 30, 2023 1:21pm
      - Beach Haven expat
        
        I heard them using Wales and Scotland as an example to follow… but surely we don’t want to copy anything the Brits do. That’s just colonialism. And oppression. /sarc
        
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        May 30, 2023 1:32pm
      - Ra Henare
        
        Stats actually suggests that out of the 17.8% who identify as Maori(take note Kowtow)
        Less than 3% are conversational. (which actually doesnt mean able to read).
        
        I once (in the 90s) interviewed a young Lady for a government job which had a requirement to communicate in Maori.
        
        She insisted she was a fluent listener( couldn’t speak, read or write) due to hanging out with Aunties on the Marae.
        
        The only question that should be asked is. Will it enhance road safety!
        
        (not be a w bit of woke behavior stirred up by activists-
        for fks sake thats how we got in to this Trans mess.)
        
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        May 30, 2023 2:21pm
      - Jack5
        
        Kowtow at 1.2: ” …According to wiki at the last census in 2021 the figure was 17.8
        
        Isn’t that the percentage of people who identified as Maori, not the percentage who can read and write Maori language?
        
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        May 30, 2023 3:06pm
      - kowtow
        
        Ra , jack
        
        Sorry to be clear ;
        
        the 17.8 is in reference to the number of alleged Welsh speakers.( not the 20% that NZTA are claiming there)
        Just goes to show how important clear communication is, to avoid confusion .
        
        Guilty as charged.
        
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        May 30, 2023 4:17pm
    - John Loveridge
      
      How could it possibly cost nothing?
      
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      May 30, 2023 7:52pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    This shows some photos of the proposed signs.
    
    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/opinion/mikes-minute-we-dont-need-maori-road-signs/
    
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    May 30, 2023 10:17am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Tom, no one should even read the one-sided dross the Wilson puts out. This is the guy that some years back wrote a whole series on “poverty” in NZ when Key was PM. How heartless National were. Here are the absolute worst cases we could find and look NZ. This is what National is doing. Well, so called “poverty” is worse in NZ now than it was then. And not a peep from our resident politburo opinion provider.
  
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  May 30, 2023 8:36am
- kowtow
  
  But Wilson is also attcking democracy , the constitution and the rule of law , because he’s saying people who want those things are racist.
  
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  May 30, 2023 8:38am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    kowtow – anyone who disagrees with these dangerous people will be labeled any one, or a combination of ‘racist’, ‘far right’, ‘misogynist’, ‘homophobe’, ‘transphobe’, ‘domestic terrorist’ etc etc.
    Michael Wood managed to get them all into three words. Never forget his “Rivers of filth” comment. Possibly the most despicable words ever spoken by a NZ politician?
    
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    May 30, 2023 9:52am
    - Keith White
      
      “Yip, yip, 2 classes of NZers” in close second place.
      
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      May 30, 2023 11:28am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Level headed voters are now watching, and they want change, the media are helping push them to Luxon, people are saying that’s not tight, or that’s unfair when they attack him, when he was made leader, his margin over Luxon was 27% it’s dropped to 7 he is dropping 2% each poll, one thing people didn’t pick up on was Hipkins was only 23%in the Newshub poll
  
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  May 30, 2023 12:44pm
alex Masterley

I saw that.
I dont bother to read what Wilson has to say as it is simply carping negativity.
I met him at a function a couple of years ago. A handshake like a dead fish and a personality to match.
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May 30, 2023 8:15am
- NK
  
  That would have been utterly hideous. I hope you washed your hands immediately.
  
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  May 30, 2023 8:20am
- John Loveridge
  
  Yes! I met him too once at a function and I remember the limp, damp handshake. Dead fish indeed.
  
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  May 30, 2023 7:54pm
Maggie Pie

WOW!

Dr Dina McMillan is scathing in her views of the way PM Jacinda Ardern pushed the Covid vaccine mandates on us.

Accusing her of “….acting like a Soviet Dictator. Brooking no argument, steamrolling over human rights, and ignoring vaccine injuries”

https://twitter.com/drdina1/status/1663104835670130688

No wonder Cindy decided to hoof-it early 🙁
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May 30, 2023 8:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  $25M. I can’t find a fact check that proves or disproves this.
  The big drug Companies had the means to do this during the World “pandemic” ensuring their product was forced upon us. $25 would have been chickenfeed compared to what the Govt/Taxpayer paid for the Vaccines.
  
  Come on lefties, give us some proof this is not true.
  
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  May 30, 2023 8:49am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    $1.4Billion cost. $25M backhander was nothing.
    
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    May 30, 2023 8:51am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      I have been beating the labour hierarchy getting rich with our money drum for some time now.
      
      When you see politicians repeatedly take actions contrary to their reelection and also contrary to the good of the country, the only explanation left is corruption.
      
      Never forgive and never forget.
      
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      May 30, 2023 9:47am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Steve – that has been the business model of pharmaceutical companies going back decades.
      
      Payouts are a cost of doing business that slots into the balance sheet effortlessly.
      
      From 1991 through 2017, a total of 412 settlements were reached between the federal and state governments and pharmaceutical manufacturers, for a total of $38.6 billion. For 2016 and 2017, 38 settlements for a total of $2.9 billion occurred. These totals are comparable to the number of settlements (39) and overall financial penalties ($2.9 billion) in the previous two-year period (2014-2015). Total settlements in each of these two-year intervals were significantly lower than the 117 settlements totaling $9.8 billion in 2012-2013.
      
      https://www.citizen.org/article/twenty-seven-years-of-pharmaceutical-industry-criminal-and-civil-penalties-1991-through-2017/
      
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      May 30, 2023 9:56am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Take the money and run comes to mind.
        
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        May 30, 2023 10:07am
    - Matt Long
      
      A stock trading expert Van Tharp, said Hillary Clinton’s stock portfolio returns were impossibly good, there’s many many ways to launder money into people’s accounts.
      There’s also honey traps as Epstein is alleged to have performed.
      If a person is shalow enough just massaging their ego will do the trick.
      
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      May 30, 2023 10:28am
      - Colville
        
        There is almost no one one the face of the earth immune to ego stroking if it’s done carefully.
        There is a key for every lock.. You just need to be good enough to find it.
        When the stakes are high and there is money for research purposes the prey has very little chance.
        
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        May 30, 2023 4:54pm
  - zulumonster
    
    I’m not a leftie by any means, but the $25m figure is likely BS. There seems to be some sort of Social Media bot that churns out these outrageous claims for all manner of “famous” people … with no basis in reality.
    Best ignored IMO. Not saying JA has not had / will not have some very generous benefactors
    
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    May 30, 2023 10:34am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      The only phrase on kwiiblog more suspicious than “I’m not a lefty but” is “I used to vote national but now I’m going to vote labour”
      
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      May 30, 2023 2:03pm
      - Colville
        
        How about..
        
        I am not a moron but I voted for Winston to keep National honest..
        
        And no I did not!
        
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        May 30, 2023 4:56pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        I love your point. But…..
        
        Justifying a vote for a Charletan whose only notable achievement in 45 years is putting the corrupt and disastrous Labour party in charge of our country isn’t suspicious.
        
        It is lunacy.
        
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        May 31, 2023 7:35am
  - NothingLeft
    
    No chance. Western multinationals (including big Pharma) in practice have to conform to US Sarbanes-Oxley Act that strongly controls corruption, bribery, fraud etc with auditing and severe penalties.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarbanes%E2%80%93Oxley_Act
    
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    May 30, 2023 2:31pm
    - Miritu
      
      Wikipedia, bastion of truth
      
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      May 30, 2023 5:40pm
- KH
  
  I would never vote for Ms Ardern ever.
  But repeating this $25mill crap from Dr Dina somebody is just more conspiracy nutcase.
  Give it a break Maggie. Stick with the humour.
  
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  May 30, 2023 11:06am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Not moving any houses today then?
    
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    May 30, 2023 11:25am
    - KH
      
      Better Maggie. Better.
      
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      May 30, 2023 11:42am
Bridgenag

Does it make us feel better that it is happening everywhere?

The disruptive climate activists of Letzte Generation are thinly veiled agents of the state, who have received a broad license to disrupt and vandalise in furtherance of the Green agenda
The question to ask of every leftist protest, is not why nobody is stopping it, but whose interests it serves.

https://open.substack.com/pub/eugyppius/p/the-disruptive-climate-activists?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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May 30, 2023 8:18am
- kowtow
  
  In yesterday’s UK Daily Telegraph there’s an article where Sueella Braverman the Home Secretary calls out Keir Starmer and Labour for accepting 1.5 million pounds from one Dale Vince , founder of green energy firm Ecotricity who ‘helped bankroll the setting up of the green protest movement while publicly condemning it”
  Vince is said to be worth 100 million pounds.
  The article was in relation to the Just Stop Oil crimes.
  
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  May 30, 2023 11:09am
- RightNow
  
  This should put a smile on your face.
  Camera operator shows how to deal with climate activists
  https://twitter.com/KarliBonnita/status/1662976633953714176
  
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  May 30, 2023 3:19pm
Warren

I love this when Labour are getting canned by the public on there track record especially when it comes to their fake Prime Minister.
Don’t be surprised if dirty politics arrives back as a weapon for this Government because it has happened before, for those that don’t remember Mike Williams the then President of Labour and Pete Hodgson a MP that traveled to Australia to dig dirt on John Key .
Labour will stop at nothing to smear the National Party in there lust for power.
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May 30, 2023 8:20am
- plc
  
  A simple CV check would have shown them that Key had left Elders Merchant Finance 6 months prior to the deal they thought he was involved in was transacted.
  
  Could have saved themselves the airfare
  
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  May 30, 2023 11:19am
Warren

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/vote-08/news/696954/Tipoff-led-to-Key-searches
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May 30, 2023 8:22am
- sirknz
  
  The tone of that article is very different to anything $tuff publishes today. It is laying out a timeline and facts, with no emotive language.
  
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  May 30, 2023 11:25am
slightlyrighty

Regarding Bilingual Roadsigns….

The purpose of roadsigns is to inform, not to educate. So what is the reasoning behind this push.

It’s like instead of putting a sign saying speed limit is “100”, it would be replacing it with a sign that says Speed Limit is “10x(50/5)” in the hope that it will encourage people to learn basic maths skills.
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May 30, 2023 8:25am
- krazykiwi
  
  “So what is the reasoning behind this push.”
  
  It is weapons-grade virtue signalling. Nothing more. Nothing less.
  
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  May 30, 2023 9:17am
- Jack5
  
  Slightlyrighty’s …The purpose of roadsigns is to inform…
  
  To inform and to warn.
  
  Next Maori activists and Wokies will want fire exit signs in Maori language. What would it be “ara ki waho”?”Pakiha”?
  
  Would they have any luck with warning signs in aircraft?
  
  What are they going to do about warnings on electrical products, though? Our market is so small foreign makers just use the Australian standards, which are pretty much the same as ours, and Aussies wouldn’t tolerate Maori-language instructions on, say, their portable 5V power supplies.
  
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  May 30, 2023 1:05pm
All_on_Red

So my kids, along with Student friends, have been experimenting with ChatGPT to see if its useful for projects and assignments.
So far they have been shocked that they sometimes get information which just isn’t true.
And even when they correct it, ChatGPT still repeats the same rubbish.
They have decided to call it ‘Mikey’.
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May 30, 2023 8:25am
- NK
  
  Why not “politician”?
  
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  May 30, 2023 8:27am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  https://reason.com/volokh/2023/05/27/a-lawyers-filing-is-replete-with-citations-to-non-existent-cases-thanks-chatgpt
  
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  May 30, 2023 8:32am
- Local Miller
  
  You can’t correct ChatGPT, it’s essentially a one way street, you ask a question and it will search existing data sources for an answer. If the answer is wrong, there’s no way for you to push the correct information back down that channel.
  While it’s considered AI, it isn’t learning from new questions or responses, at best its being trained in the background, and mostly by those with a left leaning, climate extremism, anti everything bias.
  
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  May 30, 2023 8:35am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    So you are saying it is Artificial Ignorance…I like it.
    
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    May 30, 2023 8:43am
    - Flossie
      
      Bit like the Herald quiz yesterday – insisting Henry 7th was the king of six wives fame! I believe their quizzes are now set by some robot type system.
      
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      May 30, 2023 9:15am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    So just like the “fact checkers” we’ve had to put up with the last few years…..
    
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    May 30, 2023 9:58am
  - NothingLeft
    
    The accuracy increases markedly when you ask it to fact check itself – feeding output back to input what is called ‘recurrence’. Similar to what human brains do.
    
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    May 30, 2023 2:33pm
- KH
  
  Chat is just a better Google. Quite useful, but just as many dumb results.
  It works hard but it’s not intelligent.
  
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  May 30, 2023 11:11am
Thought Criminal

Twitter seems to have turned on Labour. Check out the comments on their ridiculous fog cannon announcement.

https://twitter.com/nzlabour/status/1663051699819356163?s=19
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May 30, 2023 8:33am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  $11M buys a lot of guns with a lot of rubber bullets.
  Not supposed to say violent comments here, but hey, what are the crims doing?
  Eye for an eye, and all that shit.
  
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  May 30, 2023 8:58am
  - rockape
    
    I don’t like the term rubber ballets when we are talking about baton rounds.
    
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    May 30, 2023 11:19am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Too kind. Remember what these sub- people are doing. Baton rounds?
      Would you like a ‘charlie’ on the thigh??
      
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      May 30, 2023 6:59pm
- nathie
  
  The Govt could save $millions (and shop keepers retain their businesses and sanity) if simply:
  
  *Shopkeepers/public allowed to defend themselves from crims with reasonable force.
  
  *Police allowed to apply force against crims.
  
  *Justice and Courts drop the alternative/radical/woke perspectives in which indigenous people are “victims” and need to be treated with wet bus tickets (or not at all).
  
  A true alternative/indigenous perspective would actually see harsher, more violent penalties imposed on crims for violating the society norms.
  
  Seeing we can’t return to pre-colonial justice (and eye for an eye etc), let’s compromise and go back to the justice system we used to have until recent times.
  
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  May 30, 2023 9:25am
Tomtoddy

“Australia mines coal & exports it to China where coal-fired power stations generate electricity, which is used to manufacture PV panels & batteries, which Australia buys & uses to generate electricity from the rays of the sun”.

This is the absurdity that seemingly adult politicians and defenders of the environment who lack basic common sense run with. A new study in Australia shows solar panels never recover the amount of energy used in their manufacture.

The conclusion was…. “Reliance on solar combined with closing down coal & gas generation is definitely premature & will lead to power shortages, inflated energy costs, compromised national security & increased carbon dioxide emissions”.
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May 30, 2023 8:35am
- Flossie
  
  Did they factor in transport to China of the coal, and shipping the solar power equipment back to Australia?
  
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  May 30, 2023 9:17am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Don’t we do similar with logs in NZ? Send them raw, buy back processed? I’ve never understood the logic in that. Or do we have enough processing here to produce enough for ourselves?
  Looking at the price of timber it doesn’t seem so.
  
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  May 30, 2023 10:02am
  - Swifty
    
    There are few things in life that would scare me more than trying to make a buck by investing hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars establishing milling operations in NZ, at a scale and level of efficiency which would enable being cost competitive with low-labour cost countries and which had lower environmental standards, with Labour and the Greens, the unions, the news media, the environmentalists, the local authorities and a large part of the population acting like you’re an enemy, throwing up all sorts of barriers to your progress while simultaneously doing everything they could to restrict your activities, rob your earnings and generally hamper your existence.
    
    No thanks – those days are over.
    
    You’d be mad to even try – hence why nobody is doing it Clan.
    
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    May 30, 2023 11:39am
    - artemisia
      
      Areas at risk of losing serious income don’t necessarily have other readily available options.
      
      “Forest Industry Contractors Association (FICA) spokesperson Ross Davis said there was “huge concern” for the viability of forestry contracting businesses, with some already in liquidation and others at risk of folding.”
      And…
      
      “The forestry sector is the third-largest contributor to New Zealand’s export earnings, alongside dairy and meat.”
      
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/132172730/forestry-contractors-at-breaking-point-in-floodhit-regions
      
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      May 30, 2023 12:38pm
  - Groggy
    
    Most of our processing capacity has been closed as the plants come due for equipment upgrades. Our cost of production is too high and volumes too low to justify the capex, compared to exporting to China where economies of scale and lower costs mean it can be freighted there, processed and returned.
    
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    May 30, 2023 11:49am
    - Swifty
      
      Yep
      
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      May 30, 2023 12:10pm
    - Jack5
      
      Re Groggy on China processing costs …
      
      Economies of scale in international timber processing, net of shipping costs, is a factor, but also:
      
      1. China’s fixed currency backed by a giant economy, while NZ’s currency floats. Our currency is likely overvalued against the yuan. This complicates the real cost to Chinese manufacturers.
      
      2. China as a Communist state has a highly planned economy, and a characteristic has been is to build up and hold supplies of strategic materials such as wheat, even flour, and, presumably, timber.
      
      This allows it to manipulate pricing beyond normal balancing of supply and demand. China may have reasons we might regard as uneconomic in buying NZ logs. If China tries to invade Taiwan, we’ll find out more.
      
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      May 30, 2023 3:53pm
  - sirknz
    
    Health and Safety legislation has probably made it uneconomical to process it here is my gut feel on this.
    
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    May 30, 2023 2:15pm
O C Smith

Who will leader of the opposition at the end of the year?
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May 30, 2023 8:35am
- MCōs
  
  The job’s yours if you want it.
  
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  May 30, 2023 9:10am
  - O C Smith
    
    I would prefer to be on the other side of the house
    
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    May 30, 2023 9:16am
    - Ghost
      
      I’d prefer to not even be in the house, who ever gets in this time has one hell of a mess to either clean up or make worse..
      
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      May 30, 2023 9:18am
- mandk
  
  Michael Wood
  
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  May 30, 2023 9:21am
  - Inandout
    
    man, he is too dense and his behaviour goes against the grain.
    
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    May 30, 2023 10:42am
    - mandk
      
      I see what you did there.
      
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      May 30, 2023 12:34pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Hope so. That would keep Liarbore out of office for four terms. Despicable smarmy man. Would you buy a suit from him?
    
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    May 30, 2023 10:49am
  - Dougal10
    
    With simon wilson cheering him on, chippy better watch his back soon.
    
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    May 30, 2023 10:51am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hipkins is pathetic enough to think he can wait till the next Labour government, do probably him, but there will be a bitter war at some stage, I suggest Hipkins would get rolled next year
  
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  May 30, 2023 1:33pm
- kingerstinger
  
  Chris Luxon appears to be doing his level best to make sure it’s Nicola Willis.
  
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  May 30, 2023 1:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Australia could be in trouble if it starts relying heavily on Solar Panels for power generation.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/05/solar-a-risky-waste-of-time-and-money/
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May 30, 2023 8:38am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I think they already do, and already are.
  They’re intent on making the situation a whole lot worse though.
  Let’s see if their latest coal-fired station closure results in some blackouts. With any luck it will, which might just result in a rethink of their ruinous rush to unreliable generation.
  
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  May 30, 2023 10:28am
- cmm
  
  The problem has already started in some parts of the world.
  
  Further to what is written here, there is also the problem of balancing supply and demand.
  
  Just as under generation leads to obvious problems, so does over-generation. Generation and load have to be balanced for a stable grid.
  
  Trying to force more power into the grid than there is load for results in grid instability. The only way to handle to handle this is to cut off suppliers.
  
  This is hugely problematic where people have bought solar panels with the grid-tied incentives to sell power back to the grid. What happens when the grid refuses to take it back? People will squeal and demand more subsidies etc.
  
  I suppose it could be possible to also add load and do something to absorb the electricity. In Australia, it could make sense to use this surplus power to desalinate water or such. But the plant would only run intermittently, thus it would waste capital.
  
  Most people are not building batteries because they expensive and are essentially using the grid as a substitute. They sell power back to the grid when the sun is shining, then buy back power (mainly made by coal and nuke) when the sun isn’t shining.
  
  This model works OK-ish when there is a small % of power coming from solar and when the major power usage is during the day.
  
  But it is a HUGE problem when a very large % (say 50% or more) comes from solar. In these cases there is a massive problem because it means the coal and nuke plants must be brought up to speed in the late afternoon/evening, then shut down again in the morning.
  
  This is a challenging balancing act. Large (and efficient) coal and nuke power stations are mainly designed to run constantly – or close to constantly. Turning them on and off is inefficient and also causes extra wear and tear.
  
  All these extra, and often hidden, costs should really be added to the solar side of the balance sheet.
  
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  May 30, 2023 10:31am
  - Burtland
    
    The current scramble towards renewables is driven by the limited existing back stops – once the existing backstop capacity gets used up, the taxpayer will have to front for more – think Onslow ($13B). The taxpayer also looks like fronting for increased grid transmission ($29B) and distribution ($70B) capacity required for the electrification.
    
    Because we already have power poverty, the taxpayer will have to wear it.
    
    From the recent BCG Report This will require unprecedented levels of investment but will lead to flat household electricity bills and declining household energy bills.
    
    declining household energy bills? – no ICE cars
    
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    May 30, 2023 11:48am
    - Drone
      
      “Declining household energy bills” @Burtland, we need the name of the individual who wrote this rubbish..
      
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      May 30, 2023 1:11pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Yep – s/he’s funnier than any of the non-comedians currently disgracing the NZ club circuit.
        
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        May 30, 2023 8:26pm
Paulus

The Herald cartoon today requires immediate dismossal of the so called artist.
Never though they would dare publish when Ardern was here.
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May 30, 2023 8:38am
Yabster

Anyone concerned re the “Govt” looking at Geo-blocking or making it illegal to visit overseas gambling sites- sounds very much like what China does- Labour is certainly Red….
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May 30, 2023 8:39am
- Dougal10
  
  Gambling this week, alternative views to the podium of truth next week. Isn’t our previous PM still pushing this internet censorship stuff overseas paid for by some special fund that Chippy set up.
  
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  May 30, 2023 9:14am
- cmm
  
  … and the same tools will also allow them to prevent you accessing unvetted Covid information or news or whatever.
  
  For your own good, of course, because Nanny Knows Best!
  
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  May 30, 2023 10:14am
- rangitoto
  
  Anyone determined to access this stuff would just use one of the many VPN services.
  
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  May 30, 2023 12:02pm
- Ghost
  
  The govt has been geoblocking certain sites for a long time, It’s nothing new to this govt.
  
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  May 30, 2023 12:08pm
Maggie Pie

My partner knows a few ex-cops thru the Gun Club.
He was saying they reckon the only people who’ll benefit from the introduction of ‘bi-lingual traffic signs’ will be fleeing drivers.
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May 30, 2023 8:40am
- Ehlana
  
  Fleeing drivers who can read Maori? I’m just surprised they can read, actually.
  
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  May 30, 2023 11:52am
Paulus

$450,000,000 for a Census.
This has been again, a total and even more of a flop, which is why it has been delayed 2 more months.
Does this mean that in that time the Staistics Department can, along with Labour HQ, moderate !!! the results to show what they want principally for the number of Maori so that this can be used as a tool for Maori for more money.
How much of the above figures so far has been used as Koha with KFC and Rugby tickets – one Maori women on tele recently said that she had got 12 sets of Census papers and much Koha of course.
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May 30, 2023 8:45am
- MCōs
  
  The problem with any census is that while it’s compulsory it is in fact voluntary.
  So many people have been winding up distrust in authority it’s no wonder compliance is down. I’ve seen it right here on this forum.
  
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  May 30, 2023 9:22am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    MCōs – “winding up” implies over egged, exaggerated. This isn’t the case.
    Any “distrust in authority” in NZ is fully self inflicted and fully deserved. In fact, I would go so far as to say, you ain’t seen nothing yet.
    
    An awful lot of very trusting, nice people in this country are slowly realising that they’ve been lied to, duped, and generally treated like idiots in the last 5+ years. You reap what you sow.
    
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    May 30, 2023 10:07am
  - kowtow
    
    Authority has pandered so much to certain minorities it’s no wonder compliance is down.
    
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    May 30, 2023 11:15am
  - Burtland
    
    as if anyone from the no-show census group is on here 😂🤣
    
    you would have to question why StatsNZ is trying so hard to get the sheeple count right – they clearly dont have any faith in their moderated numbers.
    
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    May 30, 2023 12:00pm
  - RightNow
    
    You’ve only seen it on this forum from the critical thinkers.
    
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    May 30, 2023 3:23pm
- ISeeRed
  
  Sorry, did you add an extra zero by mistake?
  
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  May 30, 2023 9:36am
  - cmm
    
    The real problem is that even the extra zero is entirely plausible.
    
    $9 or $90 to process each person both seem within the bounds of how much they could waste.
    
    In the electronic age it really should not be more than 90c (to keep with the 9 theme).
    
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    May 30, 2023 10:54am
  - RightNow
    
    No, the original budget was about 320 million IIRC. Then add all the fix up money on top
    
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    May 30, 2023 3:25pm
- Littletramp
  
  They say they are disappointed with the low percentage of census returns from maori and pacifica people.
  How do they know how many to expect? Is that not the point of the census?
  
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  May 30, 2023 9:58am
  - Matt Long
    
    Therefore the Maori and Pasifika people not filling in the census only exist as a fake ID to claim benefits?
    
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    May 30, 2023 10:34am
  - cmm
    
    There are other ways to gather stats on people. eg. the number of kids that don’t show up for school.
    
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    May 30, 2023 10:56am
  - Yabster
    
    we know why- the want to pad the % of Maori so they can allocate yet more money -which is clearly not working – the money somehow gets diverted……
    
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    May 30, 2023 3:10pm
  - RightNow
    
    Makes a mockery of having a census.
    Maybe there really aren’t that many identifying as Māori any more.
    
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    May 30, 2023 3:27pm
Southern Raider

Is National the new flip flop party? What the hell is Luxon and Bishop playing as it’s just a distraction and suggests they have no defined and agreed police’s and aren’t united as a party

First Housing and Prescriptions and now road signs

Why back down from the road signs? It’s a clear safety issue
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May 30, 2023 9:01am
- RoboRob
  
  They were right to change on housing. It was a flawed policy with massive opposition. Changing now leave Labour carrying the can on it and stops them flipping (which they would have).
  
  Totally agree re signs and prescriptions (didn’t know about that flip). Both were sensible, even genius, policy positions. Now that just look like a bunch of scared pussies. Pathetic.
  
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  May 30, 2023 9:20am
- krazykiwi
  
  Why back down? Because out virtue-signalling Labour is more important than defending a principle.
  
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  May 30, 2023 9:21am
- Ghost
  
  They’re opening their traps before they have worked out a reasonable response and leaving them to have to clean up the next day. We saw that with the prescriptions then Luzon having to give a better answer that it would be free to community services and gold cards, if that had been their first answer there would be no sound bites labour could use to attack them. But they keep talking without thinking and giving labour the sound bites labour need
  
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  May 30, 2023 9:22am
  - kowtow
    
    Rubbish .
    
    They’re being good MP’s voicing the concerns of their constituents.
    
    Then being smacked down by Big Brother Party HQ.
    
    Does not bode well for democracy.
    
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    May 30, 2023 11:21am
    - Ghost
      
      Is it good to voice a view they have to then back track on? No, it’s damaging.
      
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      May 30, 2023 11:28am
      - kowtow
        
        It’s damaging when Party Central smack down their rational , sensible MPs.
        
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        May 30, 2023 1:30pm
      - Ghost
        
        They are there to promote the party policy, not their own. If they can’t work out what the party policy is then they need to learn it before speaking.
        
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        May 30, 2023 1:33pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Must be to promote the sale of Maori/English Dictionaries.
  
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  May 30, 2023 9:34am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I think the safety aspect of the traffic signs they still want in English, media might be twisting this, not sure why they would flip flop, Luxon stated before Brown he was worried about traffic signs being bilingual,
  
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  May 30, 2023 1:42pm
RoboRob

So we have new police chase laws. Labour and the police commissioner will be able to say, we have toughened up and while fleeing drivers is up 106%, that was under the old policy.

The problem is that the new policy seems to be the status quo, don’t chase. According to the police commissioner the police officer will make a judgement call on whether to chase. This will be based on the seriousness of the crime and most importantly, whether it might happen again.

I am sure that most cops would want to chase but if you are a cop and have to make the call, based on almost zero information, you would say no. If you did chase and someone was injured or killed there would be an investigation and your head would be on the block. You just wouldn’t risk it.
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May 30, 2023 9:02am
- backster
  
  If they are true cops they will risk it but the rules are designed to arse cover Coster and his bloated headquarters minions.
  
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  May 30, 2023 9:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  We should stop using the words ‘Cops’ and ‘Police’
  We don’t have either. We have a ‘Hold hands with Crims Society.’
  
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  May 30, 2023 9:26am
  - kowtow
    
    We have “policing by consent”.
    
    Consent of the criminal classes , not of society in general ( which is what the gist of what Peel was about) .
    
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    May 30, 2023 11:23am
  - KH
    
    The police do what they can. The problem is in the next step. Judges and the way the law directs Corrections to work.
    
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    May 30, 2023 11:41am
    - kowtow
      
      The police do what they can.
      
      Nonsense .
      
      Cuddles announced a woke no chase policy , triggering as any idiot could foresee a crime wave on wheels. Literally.
      
      And now , possibly under political pressure ( which is a constitutional no no ) he’s having to reverse .
      
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      May 30, 2023 12:28pm
    - GJM
      
      The police don’t do what they can. Been burgled recently? Speaking from experience, the cops don’t even pretend anymore and don’t turn up, don’t investigate and don’t prosecute.
      The only burglary that the police actively investigated was when they left the back door of the Palmerston North police station open and had 11 guns walk out the door.
      
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      May 31, 2023 9:15pm
  - Ghost
    
    Police are let down by the justice system. They work hard to catch people, the courts slap them on the wrist and let them continue offending
    
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    May 30, 2023 11:47am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      True Ghost. Arrest is a waste of time.
      You know, that time from 9am to 5pm. Seeya!!!!
      
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      May 30, 2023 7:02pm
Maggie Pie

ARE YOU COVID VACCINE INJURED IN NZ?

Last chance today to add your voice to Parliamentary Submission….

https://twitter.com/HopeRising19/status/1663287928146075651
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May 30, 2023 9:08am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Does Covid Vaccine Injured include mental stress?
  Like the stress of losing/forced to resign from your job, and not able to find another.
  I hope it does. Many in the medical profession went through this.
  All coming to the top now, all sorts of shit appearing, and some still wonder why Jaspinda ran.
  
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  May 30, 2023 9:31am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The Australian’s have taken it seriously.
    
    https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/how-to-make-claim-under-covid-19-vaccine-claims-scheme?context=55953
    
    In NZ, apparently nobody died or was injured from the vaccines. Just ask David Seymour.
    
    Maybe Ardern was right, maybe NZ did amazeballs…….?????
    
    I’d better write her an apology…….//
    
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    May 30, 2023 10:24am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Seed BBC to all of Labour.//
      
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      May 30, 2023 7:05pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Steve Otto – the abuse and vilification, particularly of those in the medical profession continues.
    Read this and weep.
    
    The Midwifery Council of New Zealand is laying charges against some of the mandated midwives who responded in a duty of care to the needs of women.
    
    And what was the ‘crime’ of these midwives? Not taking the Pfizer shot, which as we know, didn’t stop either infection or transmission.
    
    You can listen to the interview with the midwives here:
    
    https://realitycheck.radio/anne-sharplin-melanie-levinson-sarah-gilbertson-on-the-mandates-the-current-state-of-midwifery-in-nz/
    
    This is the same Midwifery Council who dropped the words ‘mother’ and ‘woman’ from their publications.
    
    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/GE2211/S00011/nz-midwifery-council-drops-the-words-mother-and-woman.htm
    
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    May 30, 2023 10:31am
Ghost

Hipkins playing the racism card, dirty election coming

The Prime Minister thinks National could be trying to appeal to a “racist underbelly” as politicians continue trading barbs over whether te reo Māori should be added to traffic signs.

“There is a racist underbelly in some of the public dialogue around this and that does seem to be an audience the National Party are trying to appeal to,” Chris Hipkins told AM.

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May 30, 2023 9:14am
- Blog-aholic
  
  If Hipkins is looking for racism he should look to how the health system is now split by race….go figure?
  
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  May 30, 2023 9:31am
  - Tricati
    
    Hipkins should explain to the country what co-governance actually means – heard sweet FA from him on the subject, or has it been put the too hard basket, so see no evil approach.
    
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    May 30, 2023 11:19am
    - emmess
      
      Uh ah (30 sec pause) Maori ….Pakeha…vote…parliament…election
      
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      May 30, 2023 1:22pm
  - Burtland
    
    Will be interesting if it appears in Labour’s Manifesto this time – didnt in the Lets Keep Moving one – but then the Manifesto only came out in the very last week.
    
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    May 30, 2023 12:19pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    He should also start asking why Asian shopkeepers are being targeted in ram raids and violent thefts.
    
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    May 30, 2023 12:23pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Ha. The leader of a party who is doing his level best to divide the country by race is calling me a racist.
  
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  May 30, 2023 10:33am
- thirteenstars
  
  And apparently National swallowed it hook, line and sinker, “clarifying” their position on the road signs, which the media label a “backtrack”.
  
  Labour +1 via National own goal.
  
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  May 30, 2023 10:55am
- RightNow
  
  Fantastic!
  Alienate more voters by accusing them of being racist Chippy, you’re on to a winner.
  I’d like to see how much it is forecast to cost to change the signs. And then tell me why that hasn’t been spent of fixing potholes.
  
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  May 30, 2023 3:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

So you thought 3 waters was corrupt?
Right now Legislation is being pushed through.

https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/stop_central_planning_committees
This is from March.
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May 30, 2023 9:19am
- Xquenda Choudhury
  
  I agree with David Seymour. The first thing that a new Government should do is simply repeal the ‘RMA replacement’ and reenact the RMA as an interim solution while this mess is sorted out.
  
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  May 30, 2023 10:07am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION….

“Stuart Nash donor communications review has been delayed”

– PM Chris Hipkins

Do you think they might have found something that needs to be covered up?
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May 30, 2023 9:30am
- Colville
  
  There is significant chatter about Nash linking a major Hawkes Bay real estate company who has massive contracts with Kaingaora…. It will be interesting to see what comes out in the wash.
  
  We know Nash has form after getting the D’Esposito brothers off about 10,000 charges after systematically raping the sea for years.
  
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  May 30, 2023 1:29pm
Bridgenag

BREAKING: The US COVID mitigation measures resulted in 23X higher COVID deaths

The unvaccinated Amish were the control group. Their infection fatality rate from COVID was 23X lower than the surrounding community. Their secret? They ignored ALL the CDC’s recommendations.

https://open.substack.com/pub/stevekirsch/p/breaking-the-us-covid-mitigation?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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May 30, 2023 9:39am
- kowtow
  
  I’d guess they were fitter and more active than the slob general population too.
  
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  May 30, 2023 11:29am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Exactly. Wasn’t it strange no one was told to get fit, exercise, take Vitamin D etc No advice……follow the money folks.
    
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    May 30, 2023 12:35pm
MCōs

Bilingual street signs should be a nothingburger
What is the issue?
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May 30, 2023 9:48am
- MCōs
  
  I come from Timaru and down the road in Temuka.
  No extra signage required.
  In between is the Phar Lap Racecourse
  That would need two extra signs for Māori – uira & English – lightning
  
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  May 30, 2023 10:13am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    When did you move Cossie? Last time we spoke you were living in Mangere.
    
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    May 30, 2023 10:26am
    - MCōs
      
      Another name that doesn’t need dual signage.
      
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      May 30, 2023 10:31am
  - Ghost
    
    Been down lately? Showgrounds development is great. Burnings open soon. Chemist warehouse are coming there
    
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    May 30, 2023 10:35am
    - H. Upmann
      
      Bunnings, Chemist Warehouse? So Timaru is going to the dogs then.
      Pity.
      
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      May 30, 2023 11:19am
  - MCōs
    
    Timaru used to be two adjacent towns, Rhodestown set up by the local Rhodes family & Government Town.
    North St ran between them and the cross street didn’t quite line up.
    In the mid 1800s the two towns amalgamated and became Timaru.
    Fortunately they didn’t have the same anti Māori sentiment to contend with back then it seems.
    
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    May 30, 2023 10:50am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      “Fortunately they didn’t have the same anti Māori sentiment to contend with back then it seems.”
      
      Not wanting road safety and information signs made more confusing by having them in two languages, one of which isn’t understood by 90% of the population, is not “anti Māori”.
      
      You’re talking like a Labour Party media shill. It’s an actual example of misinformation.
      
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      May 30, 2023 11:10am
    - kowtow
      
      ‘Fortunately they didn’t have the same anti Māori sentiment to contend with back then it seems’
      
      There weren’t many around , that NI genocidal maniac having killed , eaten or enslaved so many of them.
      
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      May 30, 2023 11:34am
  - emmess
    
    Timaru ->
    Timmers
    
    <- Temuka
    IDK Er The Muke
    
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    May 30, 2023 1:28pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  What’s the merit?
  Any Maori who can read, can read English.
  Most Maori do not read Maori.
  Many NZers these days are foreign born, and English is an international language.
  Hindi or Chinese would actually benefit more % NZers than Maori text.
  If the aim is communication, rather than virtue signaling or manipulation of the public, then there is no need to double up on text.
  It also fits into a pattern of behaviour in the last several years around Maori insertions into many spheres, that I doubt you would have failed to notice.
  It has nothing to do with the Treaty, or pragmatism, and everything to do with a ‘state with a state’-partnership narrative (or myth, more correctly).
  
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  May 30, 2023 10:27am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Proponents also use a straw-man argument by comparing this move to bilingual signs in many other countries. In most of those cases bilingualism is an actual fact of those cultures. Eastern Canada is a good example where French is spoken by a significant part of the population and in some parts might be the dominant tongue.
    
    Likewise places like Switzerland which has four official languages, each language spoken natively by significant regional populations.
    
    That is not the case with Maori.
    
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    May 30, 2023 11:02am
    - kowtow
      
      Yep , context is everything.
      
      And the NZ context of AD 2023 is expensive , pointless virtue signalling.
      
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      May 30, 2023 11:35am
- ClanMcleod
  
  What purpose do they serve other than virtue signaling when all drivers fully understand English? The purpose of the signs is information.
  Maybe place names, but not road information and warning signs. That’s idiotic.
  
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  May 30, 2023 10:34am
- RightNow
  
  Let’s start with a cost benefit analysis.
  It’s public money. Wouldn’t it be better spent on fixing roads, funding more operations, paying nurses….?
  
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  May 30, 2023 3:51pm
  - Ghost
    
    Depends how it is done. If it is done when signs are being replaced no extra cost. If it is rush out and replace every sign now, then wasted money
    
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    May 30, 2023 4:03pm
    - GJM
      
      How can it be no extra c9st? The sign may need to be bigger, and it has twice the print. That is not free
      
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      May 31, 2023 9:20pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/police-were-amazing-at-kapiti-last-night/

Looks like the ‘Hold hands with Crims Society’ got a talking to after the Levin bullshit.
A few nutters from Christian Action Aotearoa got into the hall but they were removed.
Carloads of protesters turned up and so did the ‘Hold hands with Crims Society’ Road spikes stopped them, and Police in numbers stopped them walking up the driveway. Completely opposite from Dad’s Army and three teens at Levin.
I do hope Levin gets another chance.
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May 30, 2023 9:54am
Maggie Pie

OMG… school kids are just sooo spoiled these days.

What’s wrong with getting mum to make ‘Fairy-Bread’ sammies?

https://twitter.com/TheShad78631449/status/1663023919073460224
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May 30, 2023 10:00am
- Xquenda Choudhury
  
  No way.
  
  Regulation 20 of the Education (School Boards) Amendment Regulations 2022 (Gazetted on 17 November 2022) means that all Boards hava a “Duty to promote healthy food and nutrition.”
  
  https://assets.education.govt.nz/public/The-National-Administration-Guidelines-NAG-Table230323.pdf
  
  Fairy bread is not healthy food. No more fairy bread 🙂
  
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  May 30, 2023 10:05am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Presumably bugs are healthy food. Maybe just make it compulsory, stop all this faffing around…….
    
    Totalitarian government is the way to go//
    
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    May 30, 2023 10:36am
  - Ehlana
    
    What if your child identifies as a fairy?
    
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    May 30, 2023 11:56am
- Ghost
  
  The high school down here gives out most the school lunches to people in the town, students don’t want them, and seeing photos of them on Facebook it is crap.
  
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  May 30, 2023 10:11am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It has been a painful 5+ years of virtue signaling and ‘aspiration’. Please let it end soon.
    
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    May 30, 2023 10:37am
- Bridgenag
  
  Remember a debate with the blokes at bowls who said it was Ok for the kids to eat whatever they liked from the tuck shop………. Education is so bad………..
  
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  May 30, 2023 12:41pm
Xquenda Choudhury

The only folk in New Zealand who cannot read road signs in English would be the illiterate. Governments cannot do everything. Fixing the literacy problem is the priority over Maori road signs.

I heard some guy yesterday saying that Maori road signs would allow people to learn Maori. I thought “or if they wanted to learn they could go have lessons…”
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May 30, 2023 10:00am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Who would down tick such a rational post?
  
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  May 30, 2023 10:09am
- H. Upmann
  
  Learning to read while driving? Not exactly a safety thing I would think.
  
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  May 30, 2023 10:17am
- MCōs
  
  If you’re illiterate you can get a license, silly.
  
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  May 30, 2023 10:17am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Where? lol
    
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    May 30, 2023 11:12am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Mt Roskill 😀 😀 😀
      
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      May 30, 2023 11:16am
      - Bridgenag
        
        Yes Gotta be nice to the bro
        
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        May 30, 2023 12:42pm
    - Ghost
      
      Google tells me literacy nz work with people to help them get a license
      
      https://www.literacy.org.nz/learn-with-us#Driver_Ed
      
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      May 30, 2023 4:00pm
  - RightNow
    
    Which is exactly the point.
    
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    May 30, 2023 3:53pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Not in a totalitarian state comrade. Compulsion is the key. You will eat the bugs and learn the language and stop driving and freeze in your home and you’ll be happy……
  
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  May 30, 2023 10:39am
Surely Knott

What is our news protocol.

I thought we were keeping family out of it.

Max Key’s has a podcast on social media. He interviewed Harvey a media celeb. “During their discussion about mental health, Harvey spoke about a friend who’d committed suicide, including going into detail about how he did it.”

So it was Harvey who shared a personal story in a thoughtful context. But disclosed too much. Not exactly scandalous by Max. But maybe something he had to take down.

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May 30, 2023 10:09am
- MCōs
  
  It was Key’s podcast and what he did could land him I’m court.
  No small thing.
  The family of the deceased was appalled and the podcast was removed.
  
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  May 30, 2023 10:28am
  - Gravelroad
    
    If it hadn’t been done by a former National Prime Minister’s son, during an election campaign, would it have merited headline news?
    Come on, now.
    This is just tacky electioneering by the government supported media – plain and simple.
    
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    May 30, 2023 10:49am
    - MCōs
      
      Key is not exactly shy about using the family name, with the help of his father to promote his ventures.
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/max-key-on-hating-father-sir-john-key-pressures-of-growing-up-as-pms-son/IJ7PZUBRSBFKFE5IW33CNXAUVQ/
      
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      May 30, 2023 11:02am
    - Ghost
      
      I would expect they would run it, just as last week they ran the report of people breaking name suppression on Facebook, and alsothey ran the stories of Plunkett breaking a court order identifying details on a show. Max broke the law
      
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      May 30, 2023 11:08am
- Blog-aholic
  
  I recall their is rap song still available to anyone sick enough to want to listen describing how John Key’s daughter was going to be raped…..go figure?
  
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  May 30, 2023 11:00am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, rape snd kill his underage daughter, snd when it appeared on social media Jacinda Ardern liked it, snd refused to talk about when asked
    
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    May 30, 2023 1:48pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    But surely that nice Jacinda demanded that song be taken down as part of her clean up the internet initiative, or whatever it was.
    
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    May 30, 2023 8:36pm
bythesea

Aotearoa incrementalism – next phase.

I got an email newsletter today from an industry body, which introduced with “Aotearoa New Zealand blah blah blah” and then never mentioned NZ again.

The irony is of course that the body name includes NZ, their email has .co.nz, and some of the biggest members have NZ in their names.

I say this is the next phase, because “New Zealand” is effectively a footnote in the text, soon to be in brackets ( ) before disappearing entirely.

I am not against changing name through a formal process eg referendum, but the incremental chipping away by the woke is unstoppable. I assume there is continual indoctrination in school.

Has ACT or National stated policy around this?

This was Winston Peters back in 2021
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/09/winston-peters-labels-m-ori-party-petition-to-change-country-s-name-to-aotearoa-left-wing-radical-bull-dust.html
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May 30, 2023 10:16am
- Burtland
  
  surprised Ngai Tahu havent entered the debate
  – they were previously wanting Aotearoa & Te Waipounamu on Passports.
  Would seem Aotearoa is actually the woke name for NZ.
  
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  May 30, 2023 12:43pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Those two names are north island and south island name
    
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    May 30, 2023 1:51pm
- Drone
  
  @Bythesea The Labour party have made the changes without a referendum, saving the country millions of dollars. What heroes they are..
  
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  May 30, 2023 3:33pm
Sparrow

If National want to win the election they should apply the following saying. ” Keep it simple, Stupid”. They are being side tracked by this virtue signalling and stuffing it up. Just ignore that stuff completely and concentrate on the basics. COL, Housing, Crime, Transport they have plenty of ammunition to attack the government. They will never win the virtue signalling crap. Plus they need to have control over their mouths and instill discipline. If Bishop is managing the election strategy he is doing a terrible job.
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May 30, 2023 10:34am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Sparrow – after Bishop’s failure with covid I’m surprised they thought he was the man for this role.
  
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  May 30, 2023 10:41am
- cmm
  
  Bishop has a history of being tone deaf.
  
  His history as a shill for the tobacco industry prevents him from ever stepping into the limelight. If he tries, he will be burned to a crisp. In seconds. But he probably doesn’t realise that.
  
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  May 30, 2023 10:47am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Um, compare Bishop to Woods failure
  
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  May 30, 2023 1:53pm
BeaB

Why is National so hamfisted with its messages? Surely it’s easy to say there’s no harm in bilingual signs but it’s probably best to stick to the most widely spoken and understood language for safety signs. No-one would have a problem with that.
And keep it mild and calm and low-key without making it a ridiculously inflated issue . Simeon Brown needs to be gagged.
Employ someone who knows how to package a response and do some training so they don’t keep feeding the media monster.
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May 30, 2023 10:37am
- Inandout
  
  BB, the name Simeon originally meant ‘He Who Hears’ so this begs the question, ‘who is he listening to?’
  
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  May 30, 2023 10:50am
- Jack5
  
  BeaB’s …Simeon Brown needs to be gagged…
  
  Rubbish, his statement on Maori road signs was the sort of stuff that might keep a few more party votes for National.
  
  What Bishop actually said, as reported by the Hooerald:
  
  Bishop today clarified that National did actually support bilingual signs but wanted more focus from Waka Kotahi on “fixing potholes and upgrading our roads”.
  
  “If they want to have bilingual road signs with te reo and English on them, that’s fine. But we just don’t think it’s a particularly good use of resources right now.”
  
  He said, however, it was “very important” that English was “extremely prominent”.
  
  “Because that’s what the vast bulk of New Zealanders understand. So we’ve got no issue with bilingualism, but we just don’t think it should be the priority for the Transport Agency right now.”
  
  If they try to gag you, Simeon, jump to ACT!
  
  As for Inandout’s point about the origin of the name, Simeon, try this link:
  
  https://www.behindthename.com/name/simeon
  
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  May 30, 2023 3:32pm
  - Ghost
    
    National mp’s need to be speaking from the same page, pushing their party policy, the constant having to clean up someone’s comments the next day will damage the party, and is giving the media and labour enough to attack on
    
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    May 30, 2023 3:42pm
Matt Long

Police aren’t being proactive enough in seeking out people to prosecute under the year old Conversion Therapy Ban. There have been zero complaints by injured people so it’s time the police started instigating some some convictions apparently.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0kpv3NetXZbW4FfpLQejh3NmkeFQLKhdT2mhAF51CF6Zoun9g3uGGbKi8imcoYLHQl&id=100068963567396&eav=Afayrh9FhReH7ZHPMsKr4uDUysjRE9jfsIgWRAJLzaunCOELRBWvm2rQXMFma-pMLnI&m_entstream_source=feed_mobile&anchor_composer=false&paipv=0
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May 30, 2023 10:43am
cmm

I see Aotearoavlot is going to weigh some passengers with the hope of establishing average weights.

“For those who feel hesitant, James stressed the survey was totally voluntary…”

So what’s the point then? Making it voluntary is the quickest way to make any survey sketchy. It is called self selection bias. People who have cough, cough, “problems with their glands” or “cultural issues” won’t be stepping on the scales.

Surely the age of needing to weigh individual passengers is long gone. The aircraft are packed with all sorts of strain gauges and sensors that should be able to provide the information far more accurately.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/air-new-zealand-to-weigh-passengers-at-auckland-airport/3PGXCBM57BBWBEDVPB532K7JL4/
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May 30, 2023 10:44am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Mangere Airport will require a 3 hour check in time for the Apia flight.
  
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  May 30, 2023 2:04pm
Yvette

Would te Reo Maori on road signs help normalise the language, or use a vocabulary as limited as that on 1-News television delivery?
Will te Reo Maori be revitalised by “language lessons” glimpsed at 80 kph or faster, when driver attentio should be undistracted by signage location, legibility, duplication, or visual clutter, or fpurposes other than assisting drivers?

Should Waka Kotahi ignore their own guide to ensuring road safety –
Wake Kotahi Planning Policy Manual – “Third party signs on and visible from the state highway corridor” :

As a first principle, Waka Kotahi takes a precautionary approach and seeks to minimise driver distraction within the roading environment that impacts on the driving task. Any distraction within the roading environment is a safety risk.

Safety issues arising from signs include:
• Driver distraction, by taking unnecessary attention off the road, particularly if the messaging is overly distracting, or text is difficult to read from the state highway  
• Higher speed environments reduce the ability for state highway users to take in multiple pieces of information, and elevate the potential consequences of any distraction
 • A proliferation of signs can create visual clutter which reduces the effectiveness of official road signs  
• Poorly located signs may reduce visibility at intersections and bends or create a hazard for road users;
• Signs that attempt to mimic official road signage may cause confusion; and … so on
https://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/resources/third-party-advertising-signs/planning-policy-manual-third-party-advertising-signs.pdf

If the English is the upper message and Maori below, and distinguished by English upper case (as present) and Maori upper and lower case, and a lighter tone, and no larger than the English, the two could work as possible essential road signage.

Otherwise will “I didn’t understand the road signage” be the excuse for a myriad of road offences, if the victim or defendant lives.

ROAD TO ZERO
Te Ara Ki Te Ora?
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May 30, 2023 10:51am
- mandk
  
  Te Ara Ki Te Ora
  
  Don’t you love it? Maori is such a useless language in the modern world that there is no word for zero.
  
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  May 30, 2023 11:26am
  - cmm
    
    No wonder there’s a digital divide.
    
    Digital needs ones and zeroes. It doesn’t work with just ones.
    
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    May 30, 2023 12:53pm
  - emmess
    
    Sorry to be such a nerd
    But zero is a relatively recent concept
    Developed less than 2000 years ago in India
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/0
    
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    May 30, 2023 1:40pm
  - Jack5
    
    Emess, the concept of zero goes back further than that – further than Indian civilisations:
    
    https://www.history.com/news/who-invented-the-zero
    
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    May 30, 2023 3:28pm
    - emmess
      
      Seems it is a matter of definition, and therefore subjective but from your article:
      
      These early counting systems only saw the zero as a placeholder—not a number with its own unique value or properties. A full grasp of zero’s importance would not arrive until the seventh century A.D. in India.
      
      That aligns with Wikipedia
      I took the definition of a number over a placeholder.
      
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      May 30, 2023 5:49pm
- emmess
  
  What’s ‘build and maintain the fucking roads’ in Maori?
  
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  May 30, 2023 1:34pm
- Nickc2
  
  Maori never had a written language so why are we pandering to this load of crap?
  
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  May 30, 2023 2:02pm
  - Yvette
    
    WAIRERE KEI MUA
    
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    May 30, 2023 3:21pm
Maggie Pie

From a FB bestie
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We should all (90% of us anyway) be enjoying a quality of life and living standards among the highest in the world.

Unfortunately, in the last 6 years, New Zealand has become an increasingly undisciplined, dysfunctional, multicultural population, entirely lacking any sense of national purpose or common interest.

Pervasive anti-social behaviour in all its forms, and escalating crime, not only cancel out any quality of life, but impose enormous costs on hard working taxpayers.

Add to that the large number of unmotivated, undisciplined individuals, our expanding feral underclass, it all means our problems both economic and social, are compounded.
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Hmmm. Thnx Labor.
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May 30, 2023 10:51am
- cmm
  
  Don’t blame the party.
  Blame the people that vote for them.
  Just like parents provide the feedback that raises their kids, it is the voters that give the feedback that moulds the parties.
  
  Labour and National don’t create graffiti. Instead, it is really the same forces that have changed us into people that spray graffiti and also vote for more leftwing governments, causing them all to lurch in that direction.
  
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  May 30, 2023 11:02am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I remember someone saying once they thort Auckland businessman Bruce Emery deserved a medal rather than a jail sentence.
    
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    May 30, 2023 11:13am
  - mandk
    
    Actually, I blame Winston Peters for creating the situation in which we now find ourselves.
    
    He anointed Jacinda Ardern as PM in 2017, and this enabled Labour to be elected in 2020 at a time when sitting governments across the world were being swept back into power because of Covid paranoia.
    
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    May 30, 2023 11:23am
    - Ghost
      
      Winston was never going to form a government with Bill or Paula, the voters gave him the votes to go with labour, voters are to blame, just as they are for then giving labour a record breaking majority
      
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      May 30, 2023 11:26am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        That makes him a fraud snd that’s why he won’t get back
        
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        May 30, 2023 1:56pm
    - kowtow
      
      Goes further back than that .
      
      Remember the Nats brought in co management , which morphed into co governance .
      
      This from what was meant to be the legally sharpest among them with the smartest one evah in charge.
      
      Smile and wave.
      
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      May 30, 2023 11:44am
    - cmm
      
      Again, don’t blame WP. Blame the mugs that voted for him.
      
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      May 30, 2023 12:09pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Bugger off, people voted for him because he lied to them when thinking he would go with the largest party, he also told us many times he would not have greens in government, over my dead body he stated many times, this shit that they were not in government is utter bullshit, without them, then his coalition of losers did not have the numbers
        
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        May 30, 2023 1:59pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Oh for the good old days, when we simply had nine years of neglect rather then 6 years of wanton destruction.
  
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  May 30, 2023 11:05am
  - Swifty
    
    Heh – I like that.
    
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    May 30, 2023 11:10am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    We may even, (God help us (if he exists)) get the nine years of, not wanton, but absolute destruction of our nation….
    
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    May 30, 2023 11:12am
- Prince
  
  Watching the league last Saturday in Napier, the random camera shots of the crowd were revealing. A more ignorant mob of yahoos you couldn’t imagine. If this is our future, God help our country.
  
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  May 30, 2023 5:40pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Just your regular League crowd
    
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    May 30, 2023 8:40pm
Jack5

With the soaring scandals in the lolly-scramble throwing out of taxpayer money by Labour is it time to review the role, duties, size, and power of the Auditor-General?

Beyond monitoring Government department spending, at its web site it reports:

“The Auditor-General’s report on progress by the New Zealand Defence Force (NZDF) on implementing Operation Respect has found NZDF needs to act with urgency to create a safe, respectful, and inclusive environment for all its personnel.”

You’d have thought it would have been too busy for this, what with the torrent of State money being showered out Left, Left, and Left.

And does the Auditor-General cover the Reserve Bank? Lot of cash gone there on indigenous theatre and public relations. Is this legitimate spending by a State organisation?

There are scores of other State spenders, too. Like the Tertiary Education Commission, which funds outfits like Te Punaha Matatini, founded by Shaun Hendy, of Covid fame. This commission is paying Te Punaha Matatini, housed at Auckland University, $4 million a year until the end of 2028.

If the incoming government is to clear up the financial chaos, will it need to strengthen the Auditor-General department first?

Auditor-General and NZDF:

https://oag.parliament.nz/media/2023/nzdf-report
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May 30, 2023 11:01am
ClanMcleod

Bomb threats sent to Target stores in the US because they removed products from their store.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/target-stores-hit-bomb-threat-after-turning-its-back-lgbt-community?utm_source=

We saw it with the loons at the Posie Parker event.
Who are the actual ‘domestic terrorists’?
Remind me again, where the threat to society is coming from?

Hint, it’s not ‘anti vaxxers’.
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May 30, 2023 11:17am
ClanMcleod

Worth reading this again from US Supreme Court Justice Gorsuch re covid responses.

“rule by indefinite emergency edict risks leaving all of us with a shell of a democracy and civil liberties just as hollow”

Since March 2020, we may have experienced the greatest intrusions on civil liberties in the peacetime history of this country. Executive officials across the country issued emergency decrees on a breathtaking scale. Governors and local leaders imposed lockdown orders forcing people to remain in their homes. They shuttered businesses and schools, public and private. They closed churches even as they allowed casinos and other favored businesses to carry on. They threatened violators not just with civil penalties but with criminal sanctions too.

https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/us-supreme-court-justice-rails-against

The same abuses were applied in NZ.

The US and other countries are starting to recognise and admit to these terrible policies. An acknowledgement. This is the groundwork that will enable them to repair the damage and move on at some point.

In NZ? Crickets. Worse, we have Seymour still telling people the vaccines are safe and effective, that nobody was harmed or killed by them, and the only questions that need to be answered is whether we should have closed the borders earlier, tested and contact traced better and given private businesses the legal ability to discriminate against citizens on medical grounds.

Possibly excusable a couple of years ago, but in light of the evidence currently available?

No. In trying to wish this all away, Seymour has made an incredible strategic blunder. But hey, what would I know? He’s the experienced politician. Good luck.
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May 30, 2023 11:34am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Clan – like you I am concerned that none of our political parties have supported the democratic values and rights and freedoms through the scamdemic. Particularly, providing no opposition to the rollout of mandates and voice for the diminished rights of those that would not, could not, did not carry vaccine passports.
  
  Essentially we live in a time where MMP sees the corporate strength of the party and the list MP usurp the representation of the individual electorate MP. Just look at the way that Luxon is subjugating any independent thought in National. One of the first examples of this was the way he dealt to Hipango for daring to visit an anti-mandates protest.
  
  Another issue is that our politicians are generally polls led not values led. So they are ultimately whipped into line by an activist media. Luxon is clearly struggling with this. What I can’t understand is why they don’t call the media out on their bias? Kiwis have an inate sense of fairness and many feel badly serviced by the media. But it appears there is a lack of courage to confront issues head-on.
  
  MMP is a failure. The exception to voting for one of the major parties is to vote for an independent or minor party. But they are traditionally vote wasters as they are unlikely to win an electorate seat nor are they likely to exceed the 4% threshold. So this election for me is very much a vote to stop the greatest evil from retaining power.
  
  I appreciate your diligent fight for justice around the wrongs that have been done in the name of Covid 19. Perhaps in the fullness of time and the objectivity that comes from the distance from events we may see some justice served. In the meantime, keep up the good fight!
  
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  May 30, 2023 4:43pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Thanks for the reasoned reply.
    
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    May 30, 2023 7:40pm
ClanMcleod

Excellent questions re the climate nutters.

The question to ask of every leftist protest, is not why nobody is stopping it, but whose interests it serves.

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/the-disruptive-climate-activists

The disruptive climate activists of Letzte Generation are thinly veiled agents of the state, who have received a broad license to disrupt and vandalise in furtherance of the Green agenda

https://open.substack.com/pub/eugyppius/p/the-disruptive-climate-activists?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android
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May 30, 2023 11:53am
In Vino Veritas

During Labour’s conference, Hipkins on Robertson: ““relentless focus on careful economic management” under Robertson”.
You seriously wonder what is in Hipkins sausage rolls. Saushash rolls? Careful economic management my arse. Printed money, caused inflation, borrowed 10’s of billions, increased NZ’s underclass by making the poor poorer, spent billions and billions but still wrecked health, education and law and order. Jesus, if that’s relentless focus, I’d hate to see what happens if they think they have dropped the ball.
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May 30, 2023 11:53am
Jack5

NZ visa rorts in full swing again:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/490954/migrants-cheated-out-of-money-in-nz-worker-visa-scam-nepalese-consul
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May 30, 2023 12:05pm
Swifty

This Labour government is a well-being wrecking ball:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/country/490959/sheep-and-beef-farm-inflation-highest-in-40-years-report

They excel in but one thing – making all our lives worse.
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May 30, 2023 12:07pm
Jack5

Chris Trotter says he still plans to vote for NZ First at this year’s general election.

About 2.0 into this video clip from Sean Plunket’s The Platform today:

https://youtu.be/SFLDIbnV8ts
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May 30, 2023 12:14pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He can ware his vote, but it means labour won’t be getting it for the first time
  
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  May 30, 2023 2:01pm
Maggie Pie

Honestly, the whole thing is getting ridiculous!

Just heard them saying on ZB now it’s… “Samoan Language Week”

As if people haven’t already got enough on their plate trying to learn English.
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May 30, 2023 12:18pm
- Jack5
  
  More to come: weeks for standardised Chinese, Cantonese, Hindi, Malay, Indonesian, Spanish (UN-sent refugees from Colombia and in honour of NZ’s MP for Tijuana), Arabic, Niuean, Tongan, Kiribati, 250 to 360 Australian indigenous languages, the 832 living languages of Papua New Guinea …
  
  That’s before we get to the Pidgin languages of Melanesia: Tok Pisin, Pijin, and Bislama.
  
  There aren’t enough weeks in a year. So it will have to be Tok Pisin Day etc, and even then there were will be so many it might be just Tok Pisin morning.
  
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  May 30, 2023 12:50pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Isn’t it wonderful Maggie? We have people on TV and the Radio now who can barely speak English. But then, we had a PM that’s couldn’t pronounce words properly. I remember an old friend of mine being refused a job presenting on TVNZ back in the mid 90’s. Reason? She had a Lincolnshire accent that TVNZ thought would be unacceptable to viewers. She’d be considered beautifully spoken now. Lol.
  
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  May 30, 2023 1:31pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  We should have an English Language Month!!!
  
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  May 30, 2023 1:58pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  hahaha, Labour will be wearing the silly hats in parliament again
  
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  May 30, 2023 2:03pm
- Prince
  
  Where can you go to hear English spoken these days ?
  Certainly not TV. Listening to the compere on The Chase butcher the language wot he was tryna say don’t make no sense no more innit.
  
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  May 30, 2023 5:29pm
kiwi_chileno

It was Henry Kissinger’s 100th birthday a couple of days ago. Coincidentally, this September 11th will be the 50th anniversary of the Chilean military coup d’état. Kissinger was deeply involved in fomenting regime change in Chile
https://chiletoday.cl/the-links-between-kissinger-at-100-and-the-pinochet-coup-at-50/

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/cold-war-henry-kissinger/2023-05-25/henry-kissingers-documented-legacy

The legacy of the Pinochet era is pervasive, potent, and personal. Some of my partner’s family served in the military at the time of the coup; others exiled themselves shortly after the coup. Many Chileans revile General Pinochet Ugarte; as many, if not more, praise and honour him. I’ve heard Chileans, including millennials, say that Pinochet saved Chile from chaos, ruin, and communism. In his memoirs, Pinochet said that “One night, my wife took me into the bedroom where my grandchildren were sleeping and said: ‘They will become slaves because you are not able to make a decision’”. (Pinochet’s wife has been called the ‘Black Widow’ because she was seen as Pinochet’s éminence grise and encouraged him to support the coup.)

Chile’s current Constitution was approved in 1981. The Republican Party recently won 22 of 50 seats on the council to draft a new Constitution: the centre-right have an overall majority so they can veto proposals of President Boric’s left bloc. The Republican Party are Pinochetistas – social conservatism and order, economic liberalism, nationalism and patriotism, and a strong State.

There was a failed attempt in 2022 to replace the 1981 Constitution – 2/3’s of Chileans voted against the radical text. It would have granted nature constitutional rights. Articles of the daft would also have granted indigenous peoples co-governance over all matters affecting them (including natural resources) and granted them self-government (including a separate legal system) in their territories.
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May 30, 2023 12:25pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  100 years old, and what a life!
  Regardless of the US Politics stuff for which he is most well known, I find it great to think there is still some of his generation around.
  
  I made a point to speak to WW2 veterans I met as they were already dwindling over 20 years ago and realised the window was closing to overlap with them. Got a few good stories from them, not all of them nice.
  
  Here is a bit from Wiki on Kissinger:
  ..” Kissinger was reassigned to the 84th Infantry Division…….assigned to the military intelligence section of the division. Kissinger saw combat with the division, and volunteered for hazardous intelligence duties during the Battle of the Bulge.
  
  During the American advance into Germany, Kissinger, only a private, was put in charge of the administration of the city of Krefeld, owing to a lack of German speakers on the division’s intelligence staff. Within eight days he had established a civilian administration…”
  
  (Soon enough the only experience of WW2 that will exist in the world will be people playing “Hell Let Loose”, “Gates of Hell- Ostfront” and”Steel Division II”. All of which I recommend; depending on whether you favour First person shooter, Company/Platoon level, or Battalion/Divisional level real-time war gaming respectively.)
  
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  May 30, 2023 1:05pm
Bridgenag

Just in
The Australian Government’s role in the Censorship Industrial Complex, and why this is different to necessary moderation of online speech

https://open.substack.com/pub/rebekahbarnett/p/the-australian-governments-role-in?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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May 30, 2023 12:31pm
Maggie Pie

I see where Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has come out firmly behind all 2SLGBTQI+ people, both at home and abroad.

The addition of ‘2S’ has me a bit flummoxed. Anyone?

https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1663287303341498369
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May 30, 2023 1:18pm
- kowtow
  
  An Indian thing. 2 spirits or some such .
  
  Amazing the things “progressive” pollies have time for , while at the same time bumping citizens off with expanded euthanasia rules.
  
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  May 30, 2023 1:25pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    aHA…learn something new every day.
    I see it replaces the old French colonial term… ‘berdache’
    Couldn’t see someone like Chief Big Bear being part of all the ‘2-spirit’ shite.
    
    Just saying.
    
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    May 30, 2023 2:01pm
- Ghost
  
  https://www.dictionary.com/e/gender-sexuality/two-spirit/
  
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  May 30, 2023 1:28pm
cmm

This is where South Africa is now:

State structures are collapsing.

If you want basic services like policing, then you need to do it yourself.
“A South African Police spokesperson said two of the attackers were arrested after local farmers were alerted and blocked roads.”

The police are not functioning effectively any more. They could not cope without the assistance of the private security forces (which is 3x the size of the police force). Rewind that – even with the assistance they are not coping.

As a result, the crims have the upper hand and there are now around 75-80 murders a day – about 20x the rate in NZ.

Elsewhere in South Africa:
* Communities are building their own power stations – despite the law forbidding them from doing so.
* Community vigilante groups are defending power substations against cable theft.
* Over 50% of water processing plants are broken/not working properly. Currently there are known cholera cases in at least 4 provinces. Likely in more.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/300892454/exspringbok-lukas-van-biljon-stabbed-repeatedly-father-shot-in-farm-attack
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May 30, 2023 2:03pm
- Nickc2
  
  That’s terrible cmm! It sounds/looks like they have co-governance eh? //
  
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  May 30, 2023 2:08pm
- Yabster
  
  Think there’s a lesson for the World there- what a disaster a once great country is becoming.
  
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  May 30, 2023 2:36pm
  - mawm
    
    It’s a lesson the world does not want to learn because it promotes the idea of white supremacy (or maybe the converse).
    
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    May 30, 2023 3:51pm
- kowtow
  
  Where’s Minto et al .
  
  And our te media pardy who think the anti tour folk brought about this dreadful state of affairs.
  
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  May 30, 2023 4:26pm
- Swifty
  
  That’s Mad Max stuff.
  
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  May 30, 2023 5:08pm
Gravelroad

@cmm-
Did you see the news item on NZ tv the other day about this guy?
https://www.voanews.com/a/ceo-of-south-africa-s-state-owned-power-company-eskom-allegedly-poisoned-/6910764.html
Lots going on there- but looks as though he was subjected to cyanide in the coffee assassination attempt.
Too many power outages and graft, so let’s murder someone.
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May 30, 2023 2:35pm
MCōs

Last night was the final of the IPL
Chennai won and the top scorer for them was Blackcap Devon Conway who cracked boundaries all over the place as his does every time he goes out to bat.
He was the third top scorer in the tournament.
However
Looking at the publicity you’d never know it.
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May 30, 2023 2:52pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  Devon is not Indian. The IPL tournament is about the Indian stars – has been that way since it started. No surprise Conway didnt get lauded
  
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  May 30, 2023 10:18pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Here’s something I never knew until it popped up on my twitter feed.

The ‘Mr Burns’ character from the Simpsons (which we really luv)…. is actually based on the richest man in the world!!

https://twitter.com/iluminatibot/status/1663347051436834816
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May 30, 2023 2:53pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Lol Maggie, he’s wealthy, but not that wealthy!!
  
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  May 30, 2023 3:52pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Ardern and Labour. You have fucked New Zealand so much that people will die.
The Helth System has be run into the ground through lack of funding. Don’t you bastards dare blame this on Covid. It is you Ardern, and Labour.
Look ate the state of this guy then and now. He is a shadow of his former self.
New Zealand is not a nice place anymore because of you pricks.
Mods, delete as you wish, but things like this get right up my left nostril.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/our-health-system-is-broken-elite-athlete-s-agonising-wait-for-cancer-diagnosis-and-treatment/ar-AA1bPzrh
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May 30, 2023 3:09pm
- Drone
  
  But @Steve O the interesting point is he “cheated” the system to get a scan, and somebody equally deserving could have missed out. BUT I agree with you the health system is shambolic, elective surgery is not really happening to the degree we would hope for in a modern country.
  
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  May 30, 2023 3:53pm
kevn

@SteveO… Indeed a shameful situation.
Pity they/journos played the race card rather than focus on several lousy diagnosis.
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May 30, 2023 3:26pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Exactly. I just knew there was a karakia coming.
  At this stage, anything to give the man hope. My view is that I would gladly give up my Cubital Tunnel surgery spot and give it to someone who is desperate. But then the right surgeons etc have to be available.
  Ardern, Hipkins, Robertson, Wood, Woods, and the rest of the no hopers need to be remembered at Election time. Honestly I never thought this shit would happen in my lifetime – and really, it plain and simply just should not be like this.
  Fuck! I am going to have some Jack Daniels.
  
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  May 30, 2023 3:39pm
Maggie Pie

What delicious irony 😀

A bestie from tennis just pointed out that ‘Strap On’ spelled backwards is…
‘No Parts’

LOL!!
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May 30, 2023 4:31pm
Ghost

Nice TikTok page where the guy goes and buys things for homeless people. TikTok page

So far my favourite one is he comes across a pregnant homeless woman, makes a deal with her and the partner to put them up in a hotel if he goes out and looks for a job. Homeless and 6 months pregnant
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May 30, 2023 4:39pm
Swifty

You call yourself a man? Then start acting like it.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-trans-man-calls-for-boycott-of-unichem-pharmacies-after-he-was-asked-if-he-was-going-to-heaven/KWA6YP227VGDRDJFCFH6OCLFMQ/

Nobody makes you ‘feel’ anything. How you ‘feel’ about anything is your personal choice.
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May 30, 2023 5:06pm
- Ghost
  
  However no one should be preached to when picking up their prescription
  
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  May 30, 2023 5:15pm
  - Mike
    
    Absolutely.
    Everyone has the right to be treated with dignity and respect. We’re not yet like the US where hate-filled Catholics are granted the ‘religious freedom’ to treat people like shit.
    Seems like the pharmacy owner tried to do the right thing, but the Unichem chain doesn’t care. I think the complainant has made his point.
    
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    May 30, 2023 7:09pm
    - Swifty
      
      You would know all about treating people like that Mike – you’ve been doing it here for, what, 20 years now?
      
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      May 30, 2023 7:29pm
      - Mike
        
        Poor Swifty. I’m very sorry if I have made you feel angry or upset, but how you feel is your own personal choice, isn’t it?
        
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        May 30, 2023 7:49pm
      - Swifty
        
        There you go again, putting words into people’s mouths or ascribing to them views they don’t hold or feelings they don’t have.
        
        Have you ever thought that it is a dishonest way to conduct yourself?
        
        Do you even realise you’re doing it, or do you do it in the full knowledge it is dishonest but do it anyway?
        
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        May 30, 2023 8:17pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        No that is insufficient Mike. According to the law of Logan you must now be fired and DPF’s Kiwiblog must be disbanded.
        
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        May 30, 2023 8:23pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Nobody has the ‘right’ to be treated with dignity and respect. You earn that right by how you behave towards others.
      
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      May 30, 2023 7:52pm
      - Ghost
        
        I disagree, everyone should be treated with dignity and respect when dealing with health professionals. Some weren’t the past few years and that goes against how the health sector used to treat people. Those in government who caused that should be held accountable, but they never will be
        
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        May 30, 2023 8:27pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      It’s almost like we should go back to respecting that everyone has the right to privacy with regards to their medical treatment and health. But that has been trodden all over and it is going to take a real effort to go back.
      
      Is it possible that a Christian, who believes in the eternal life giving aspect of Gods grace, see it as an act of kindness to share this gift with others? We don’t know the girls motives. Was she being judgemental or felt compelled to share her good news with Logan?
      
      Logan is like many of her community – firing the girl is not enough. We all have to get in line with her view of reality. Well I’m not interested in that, just like I won’t agree with an anorexic that they are fat!
      
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      May 30, 2023 8:15pm
  - Swifty
    
    I agree but I would add that people are rude to each other all the time but we don’t go running to the bloody papers every time it happens.
    
    This person needs to get with it.
    
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    May 30, 2023 7:22pm
    - Mike
      
      I happen to think it marks another low for pharmacies. I had thought changing the code of ethics to make it okay to sell quack potions was bad enough.
      
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      May 30, 2023 7:52pm
      - Swifty
        
        Hypocrite.
        
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        May 30, 2023 8:18pm
      - Ghost
        
        And what quack potions are those?
        
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        May 30, 2023 8:25pm
      - kevn
        
        @milky…. Some pharmacies are still pushing/advertising/giving the jab.
        How quack is that?
        But, maybe it pay$ well.
        
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        May 30, 2023 8:41pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Mike – they didn’t have to sell the covid vaccines, they actually got paid for administering them. Though they did ll the quack RAT tests so we’ll picked up you!
        
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        May 31, 2023 7:47am
- Maggie Pie
  
  That’s the problem with snowflakes like that….
  no one can take a joke anymore!
  
  It wouldn’t last 2 minutes at the tennis club 😀
  
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  May 30, 2023 6:48pm
  - Mike
    
    You know what is a joke? Catholics claiming that the Pope says it’s okay to fornicate and commit adultery.
    
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    May 30, 2023 7:10pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      He also says it’s the most fun you can have without laughing 😛
      
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      May 30, 2023 7:26pm
JimBobJoe

Climate change narrative us the science is settled…. What else us wrong in the calculations? Where is James Shaw saying farmers are not the enemy?

https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2023/05/barry-brill-what-will-we-do-aboutthe.html?m=1
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May 30, 2023 5:56pm
- Mike
  
  Barry Brill must be pretty ancient by now.
  
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  May 30, 2023 7:02pm
Ghost

So great we look after rugby players in New Zealand, and that the judge wished he could still play rugby……..

3 bloody months community detention.

Judge Jo Rielly said it was a shame Smith would not be able to play rugby while serving his sentence, but the interests of justice came first.

Pathetic comment from the judge.

Several men were suddenly verbally aggressive toward the victim, who was sitting on a nearby concrete seat, when Smith stepped forward and shoved him.

The victim knocked his head on the concrete seat as he fell over then slumped on the footpath, barely conscious.

The confrontation continued, involving more men at that point, which required security staff to intervene.

Smith then moved up behind the victim and punched him twice in the side of the head before dragging him onto the road by his collar, where he punched him again.

Several others joined in on the attack, as the man lay on the ground. He was left with a broken nose, two black eyes, bruises on his body, and a cut on the back of his head.

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May 30, 2023 6:42pm
Ghost

Liar

Labour MP Arena Williams claims she was never trying to suggest her father was forced to choose between heating and medicine with a tweet that’s caused a furore online and been fact-checked by Twitter.

National MP Judith Collins is labelling the tweet “very dishonest” and is “surprised” Williams hasn’t apologised and deleted it.

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May 30, 2023 6:49pm
- Mike
  
  Judith Collins is right – she would know dishonesty when she sees it.
  
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  May 30, 2023 6:56pm
- Swifty
  
  “Labour MP Arena Williams claims she was never trying to suggest her father was forced to choose between heating and medicine….”
  
  Horseshit.
  
  That’s exactly what she was alluding to.
  
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  May 30, 2023 7:26pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    She did more than allude to it…she clearly stated it:
    
    Scrapping the fee means he’ll never choose between heating his bedroom and his health.
    
    or perhaps Arena Williams doesn’t understand what she wrote.
    
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    May 30, 2023 7:48pm
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      Yes, point taken Maggy.
      
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      May 30, 2023 8:13pm
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      Although I guess she would argue that her tweet was hypothetical – he would not have to choose ‘in future’ as opposed to currently having to actually choose.
      
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      May 30, 2023 8:20pm
Maggie Pie

“Bomb not, lest ye be bombed”

– Exodus (the 3rd Tablet)

https://youtu.be/PmZFGw5CeWE
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May 30, 2023 8:11pm
Jack5

Law Society consulting lawyers on Treaty of Waitangi principles – Chris Finlayson on Sean Plunket at “The Platform”.

Gets rolling about 4.40 into the video.

A sample: “There is an increasing trend in this country for private organisations, non-Crown organisations, to say they have Treaty obligations. They don’t.”

Very informative from Finlay.

https://youtu.be/5BjUE5JJ8Gk
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  Edit: “to say they have Treaty ~~organisations~~ obligations .”
  
  Sorry!
  
  [Mod – fixed it for you]
  
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