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CJames

Cranmer in his latest substack (it will be reposted elsewhere) writes about the crisis in DoC and how they don’t have enough money to do their job. This is an exemplar example of just how bad the government has been over last five years. Waste money without creating value. The Department’s budget has gone up significantly and thery have a lot more staff. But those jobs went to Wellington (Some in the regional offices were “disestablished” and they got rid of workers) and money went on the non-core functions. So what was the result? Regional budgets were cut. Tracks are closed rather be maintained. The papework prevents anything being done or bogs it down in extra costs (iwi consultations being a black hole). Do you really think there will be skiing on Ruapehu this year – what are the holdups? How’s access into the Ureweras?
But the media doesn’t report this, even obliquely. We know why that is.
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May 26, 2023 8:00am
- Gravelroad
  
  @CJames:
  But, but but, all those new advisers and consultants warming seats in cosy offices in Wellington are vital in order to comply with the requirements of the Treaty of Waitangi industry, no? This country’s main focus.
  Workers looking after tracks, animals and the landscape “out there” must divert their efforts into learning and speaking Te Reo, attending multiple health and safety “learnings” events and addressing domestic violence via seminars (inside).
  The rest can revert to something else.
  Please tell me the Te Reo name for feral cats. The cats which have increased hugely in some areas and are responsible for eating a lot of native birds…..such as the Kea.
  
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  May 26, 2023 8:13am
  - CJames
    
    According to the Maori online dictionary, they don’t distinguish between cats and feral ones. That sort of sums up the stupidity of trying to shoehorn the language into legal and official documents. No-one knows the precise meaning.
    
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    May 26, 2023 8:53am
    - Taieri
      
      No-one knows the precise meaning.
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      The precise meaning is immaterial. We live in The Age of the Metaphor, where words can mean whatever Humpty Dumpties want them to mean.
      
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      May 26, 2023 9:15am
      - Piniwi
        
        Funny you mention that T as that is little Greta’s answer when asked to substantial her claims about Global Warming. Oh they are just metaphors and are just like everybody is using. (Thanks to Aljazeera) Just going to show that you can in fact just make shit up.
        
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        May 26, 2023 1:51pm
    - Matt Long
      
      At least they know the meaning of Rangatira Tanga completely and absolutely, even 150 years ago
      
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      May 26, 2023 10:47am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Gravelroad – The Te Reo name for feral cats is “Labour MP”.
    
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    May 26, 2023 1:55pm
- surfing
  
  New Zealand is sliding into poverty status.
  
  Our public services and infrastructure are crumbling. It has been occurring over the last couple of decades now. Look at surgery waiting lists — good luck getting elective surgery, we don’t have enough hospitals for the current population.
  
  I don’t think the nation will recover until there is a major reset of priorities and we start to value productivity , education, and merit over colonisation guilt!
  
  I blame one man for the entire mess. Geoffrey Palmer. He’s the one that kicked off the treaty industry and started the slide. One day we might all be living and warring like maori used to.
  
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  May 26, 2023 8:52am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Agree. Geoffrey Palmer is probably the most destructive politician we’ve ever been saddled with. He looks like an Easter Island statue and is as smart as one.
    
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    May 26, 2023 9:31am
    - KH
      
      Palmer the most destructive yet. Certainly.
      He delivered his dumb thoughts in a manner most impressive. A serious downgrade in New Zealand resulted.
      One example. “When you put people in prison they don’t like it”
      Well yes Geoffrey. We knew that. But it does not mean we shouldn’t.
      
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      May 26, 2023 10:24am
      - Matt Long
        
        Parker, “hold my beer.”
        
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        May 26, 2023 10:48am
    - septic skeptic
      
      I think you fail to give JA and her cohorts credit where it’s due. In 5 1/2 years they have destroyed more of NZ than any previous government. GP might well have started it but the current government has all but finished it. Unless ACT make some major fundamental changes the next Labour government will end NZ as we knew it.
      
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      May 26, 2023 10:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Palmer put different things into the new Treaty. Forestries and Fisheries are NOT listed in the original Treaty and translation.
    See Stop Co-Governance. 13 min in:
    https://vimeo.com/827087934/f8ea40791e
    
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    May 26, 2023 11:05am
  - cmm
    
    I think it is a bit naive to try peg history on one individual, be it Hitler, Palmer or Einstein or Edison.
    
    These “key individuals” do not act alone. They are products of the time. In a democracy they are the products of the voters.
    
    If Mrs Palmer had had a headache in 1941 and wee Geoff had not been born, we’d still have what we have today because some other person would have filled the gap.
    
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    May 26, 2023 11:45am
    - david
      
      Answer to cmm. … [Deleted. Do the research first before the abuse. mod.]
      The only unknown is whether he will die before recognising the ill-considered storm of division he has unleashed on New Zealand with the “Principles of the Treaty” clauses he had inserted into all manner of legislation. I can’t even call them unintended consequences as we are still unsure if intent was part of the package.
      
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      May 26, 2023 3:25pm
  - Bullion
    
    You know what is needed to address infrastructure and public service shortfalls? Tax cuts.
    
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    May 26, 2023 12:38pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    As a wise man once said: “Who’s the more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him?”
    
    Labour was crushed in 1990 and National could have done anything they wanted. They didn’t want to reverse what Palmer started. Similarly, the Kirk government’s expansion of the welfare state was by far the most harmful single thing any NZ government has ever done. Our current problems with crime, the economy, and in education, all stem from that. National won in a landslide in 1975 and didn’t roll it back.
    
    Just like the next National government will not reverse the 39c top tax rate.
    
    So I don’t agree with blaming Palmer. Our systems are robust enough to survive one idiot, certainly one who is not particularly charismatic. Voters did their job by voting him out. Most of our problems are the result of a National party with as much backbone as a bowl of jelly.
    
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    May 26, 2023 12:51pm
    - leoj
      
      Well put.
      
      National’s history of “blowing it” when given the mandate to undo destructive Labour policies will not change under Luxon and his band of namby-pambys.
      
      It is encouraging to hear Karen Chhour inform a recent meeting that ACT will sit on the cross benches if National are too gutless to make needed changes instead of trying to make Labour’s policies slightly less bad.
      
      While weak Luxon and socialist Willis are in charge, the Nats are stuck with their 36%, simply because they are way too timid, not to mention bereft of ideas.
      
      The country is in a shambles and needs a complete 180 degrees to the current bad government. Sadly, National does not have the personnel or the courage.
      
      The country needs a minimum of 20 ACT (not perfect either) MPS to help the Nats develop some sort of spine.
      
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      May 26, 2023 1:26pm
    - artemisia
      
      Still hear vitriol against benefit cuts in the MOAB even though it was more than 30 years ago. Conveniently forgetting those cuts were to make sure those at home on the sofa were not paid more than those that got up every day and went to work.
      
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      May 26, 2023 7:02pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Department of Conservation’s problems stem from its formation.
  
  It was never set up to undertake the day-to-day management that our vast conservation estate requires.
  
  It was set up to appease the very limited concerns of a very vocal minority.
  
  So suddenly Park Rangers disappeared from the system and were replaced by advocacy (spin doctors) and species specialists (primarily ex-Wildlife- bird specialists) who work on a very limited front (and are usually Office-based).
  
  Hoardes of documents were published on individual rare and threatened species…as their ecosystems degraded.
  
  I served 5 years on a Conservation Board and never felt that its Role was taken seriously by the Department.
  
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  May 26, 2023 9:01am
  - Taieri
    
    It was set up to appease the very limited concerns of a very vocal minority.
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    Interesting. Could you provide a bit of a background?
    
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    May 26, 2023 9:12am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The formation of DoC from the Break-up of Lands & Survey/Wildlife Service/DSIR/NZFS was a pretty rushed and very political affair.
      
      The lead up to the 1987 restructuring of Conservation in NZ stemmed from the 1985 Environment Forum whereby environmental activists started taking a very strong stance against continued felling of Native Forests.
      
      The Labour Government (Roger Douglas & Co) undertook its grand economic revolution …and disestablished the old order… New regimes were
      created…and today we reap their harvest.
      
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      May 26, 2023 10:02am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        It had a very green (sic) Minister, and appointed a completely unsuitable first CEO – Ken Piddington I believe to oversee the merger. The new agency blew out its budget (surprise!) and the Minister in charge punished it by making it cut its cloth and pay back the overspend.
        
        That Minister was one Helen Elizabeth Clark.
        
        The underspend and the culture of poor budgetary management and make do that it engendered, led directly to the Cave Creek tragedy.
        
        Wonder if they have learned anything yet?
        
        It’s hard to see how 900 more administrators in wellington achieves the slightest bit of difference in terms of ecosystem management?
        
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        May 26, 2023 10:10am
      - Taieri
        
        Thanks.
        
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        May 26, 2023 10:27am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        In the early days of DoC I often had to visit their Head Office Library or meet with some of their scientists.
        The first time I went to their (first) HO I was shown around their native plantings at the entrance by the Botanist in charge (very nice.. but surely not a task for a top-level scientist).
        
        Then as I entered the foyer, I noticed a number of expensive pottery pieces … I queried their origin and learnt that the CEO (Piddington) had purchased them for the entrance display.
        
        I still have no idea what that pottery had to do with our conservation estate…
        
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        May 26, 2023 11:06am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @ the deity,
        Ave Creek.
        Apparently a box of assorted new galv 12mm bolts were offered free. The builders refused. I don’t know why. I also can’t find this info.
        
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        May 26, 2023 11:16am
      - Simon Arnold
        
        I chaired the joint officials interest group working party that led to the environmental reorganisation in the early 80s. It wasn’t particularly rushed.
        
        The mistake we made was the marginal lands, neither commercial or with recognised conservation value, ended up in DoC. A distraction and not properly resourced.
        
        This wasn’t the product of any political dealing, I’m sure we could have got a separate agency approved to handle and progressively address this land.
        
        The problem revolved around the commercial side suddenly being more hard nosed about what they wanted, and a lack of focus on this issue on the conservation side (not to mention a bit of a history of linking land manged and status amongst interested parties).
        
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        May 26, 2023 12:09pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        In the public sector status, power and remuneration derive from being in command of increased budget and headcount. Excuses will always be found for more of each, and it is only held in check by vigorous resistance from the ministers/govt. But Labour have abandoned their responsibility to keep bureaucrats in check. 30-40% increase in govt headcount has resulted.
        
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        May 26, 2023 1:05pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Pretty much sums up DOC in the current form. Plenty of hooey, very little dooey.
    
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    May 26, 2023 9:13am
    - cmm
      
      In many ways this summarises what goes on in every government department.
      
      They have been filled with activists and career builders.
      They have lost sight of their mission/function and spend more effort on wokism etc.
      
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      May 26, 2023 11:53am
      - Tricati
        
        They have been allowed, or enabled, by inept ministers.
        Will be a hell of a job to turn it around without significant blood-letting.
        
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        May 26, 2023 1:11pm
    - leoj
      
      So good to see you spell hooey correctly.
      
      The other one is load of maori nonsense, probably mandated by the woke green faction of the DoC.
      
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      May 26, 2023 4:29pm
  - cmm
    
    Smarter every day for reading some of Maggy’s writing.
    
    Thanks, always extremely informative.
    
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    May 26, 2023 11:50am
- Surely Knott
  
  ” Tracks are closed rather be maintained. ” This isn’t by accident it’s by design. The high density 15 minute cities connected by trains is the plan for the cities. And the plan for the forests is to have core forest zones (which exclude people) connected by wildlinks. The wildlinks are well under way and funded by Council. But a forest core zone is a large zone which excludes people. Surrounded by a buffer zone. Eg the heritage area.
  
  The Waitakere’s has closed all the centre of the forest due to “dieback” based on a water mould which is endemic. Key political players have made submissions for “a trust” to manage the regional park with full biosecurity powers and funding. Waiheke made a bid to be a UN biosphere also run by a non-elected co-governance community group..
  
  The plan in the USA was to have 50% of the United States into “wildlands”
  
  While wildlinks and large core zones were arguably necessary for roaming of large wild mammals like bison and mountain lions. It’s not clear that removing people from Regional parks has improved in NZ where we have no large mammals has improved bird life at all.
  
  https://scontent.fakl1-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.18172-8/14560115_1705398849782744_7254718238708599729_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=9267fe&_nc_ohc=P0C4BPUPEOQAX9HjuWn&_nc_ht=scontent.fakl1-3.fna&oh=00_AfDYE2nBHUIlVzvBIy0WwDqaN9Fo7mpEVwP8n6eUFMzItA&oe=649731F2
  
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  May 26, 2023 9:19am
  - thirteenstars
    
    This is correct. When the new neo-Marxist-flavoured Green movement got really rolling in the early 90s they called for vast wilderness zones, letting productive land and forest go back to wild, and further, that no tracks or facilities should be allowed and no *maps* be published of the areas.
    
    And just a couple of decades on that insanity is coming to reality, just like all the other supposedly insane ideas that were scoffed at but have now become part of our culture.
    
    The story of the Manawatu Gorge track being closed by Maori for religious reasons is part of this irrationality.
    
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    May 26, 2023 11:25am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Setting DOC up to fail to assert Maori controlled takeover?
  
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  May 26, 2023 9:24am
  - leoj
    
    Why is it that pakeha is always spelled with a lower case “p”?
    
    Why do you capitalize the “m” for maori?
    
    What is so special about maori?
    
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    May 26, 2023 4:32pm
peterwn

So Hell Pizza is taking a crack at after pay schemes by offering its ‘AF+ER LIFE PAY’ payment scheme. There are probably 666 good reasons not to partake of the scheme. One problem is when you arrive at the Pearly Gates, Peter will probably say ‘Since you are so fascinated with Hell you can go there’ as he selects one of his two keys and unlocks the gate to Hell.
See:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/lifestyle/2023/05/hell-pizza-launches-new-buy-now-pay-when-you-re-dead-payment-scheme.html
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May 26, 2023 8:01am
- sirknz
  
  My wife asked if we should sign up for this and make our daughter pay for it out of the inheritance.
  
  I declined because their pizza is best described as cardboard with cheese on it.
  
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  May 26, 2023 10:10am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Yeah I’m happy to take my chances on whether it’s likely or not that there’s a place people go when they die, and there’s an old guy with a long beard and flowing robes with two keys in front of gates made of pearl, and who has a big book with details of every thought and action I’ve ever had or done, who will judge me on my behaviour and decide which of two doors he’s going to open for me.
  
  In other news, the Easter Bunny is definitely real.
  
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  May 26, 2023 10:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The place people go when they die is under six foot of dirt, or in a nice wooden box.
    My Parents are on the shelf in the wardrobe.
    
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    May 26, 2023 11:22am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Hey Vic! How’s that rebranding going? University of Wellington, some new Maori name. What’s the return on investment?

Let’s ask VC Grant G. Grant? Grant?

He’s buggered off!

What a tosser.
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May 26, 2023 8:02am
- kowtow
  
  What is it about all these “smart” uni types ?
  
  Otago also did an expensive wasteful virtue signal “rebrand” , while there was all sorts of financial shenanigans going on in the background.
  
  Funny how none of the protesting staff placards are in Maori , given how keen they are to be seen as so ‘inclusive’ , perhaps it wouldn’t get their message across , afterall that’s what communication is really about .
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/campus/uni-hides-full-extent-money-woes
  
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  May 26, 2023 10:44am
Matt Long

Another neophyte mayor falls out with his CEO, this time in the top of the country.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/tension-in-relationship-between-far-north-mayor-and-council-chief/
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May 26, 2023 8:06am
- jp_1983
  
  Hi Matt – Link is 404’ing
  
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  May 26, 2023 8:11am
  - Matt Long
    
    Sorry, I was attempting to cut superfluous ciphers from the URL, will ensure the link works next time.
    DC has it in full below.
    
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    May 26, 2023 10:53am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Looks like all of those jumbled letters have to stay.
      What you are looking for is usually a question mark. (?ocid>>>) or (?emu->>>>>) or (utm_source)>>>>> It is for tracking.
      This will help a lot on this blog:
      https://zapier.com/blog/how-to-clean-urls/
      
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      May 26, 2023 11:36am
- Matt Long
  
  It’s confusing to me, I thought a lack of experience and wisdom we’re the highest ideals in public leadership roles, like St Jacinda, then suddenly it’s as if that’s not true.
  
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  May 26, 2023 8:15am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I’m getting a “broken link” message, has it been taken down.
    
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    May 26, 2023 9:15am
    - DimChappie
      
      Here’s a better link to the Far North ceo story:
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northland-age/news/tension-in-relationship-between-far-north-mayor-and-council-chief/JYFAKVDLVBFAJAUAXBOB6ZZRU4/
      
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      May 26, 2023 9:25am
      - sirknz
        
        ‘Better’ is a relative term when linking to the MSM.
        
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        May 26, 2023 10:00am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        https://zapier.com/blog/how-to-clean-urls/
        
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        May 26, 2023 11:37am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Like Jacinda – nicely put. If Jaspinda found something was not true, it’s quickly into the box of assorted lies.
    
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    May 26, 2023 11:40am
- peterwn
  
  This one seems rather strange since both the Mayor and CEO seem capable. It could be that the new Mayor and Council were going in a direction that the CEO was not comfortable with so the CEO decided to resign (seems no talk of payouts). CEO is probably in a position to retire early if he wanted to so so why stick around in a job where he does not feel comfortable. He will probably soon find something else.
  
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  May 26, 2023 8:30am
  - greybeard
    
    The new council structure was probably the main reason, with the new wards.
    
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    May 26, 2023 12:27pm
- Ghost
  
  Don’t worry about cutting the links just post them as they are, I’m sure if there is too much the mods will help you
  
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  May 26, 2023 11:40am
Matt Long

Now that Twitter is not a Left wing echo chamber and climate change policies are doing serious damage to people, alarmists are jumping ship to safer places.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/24/climate-scientists-flee-twitter-as-hostility-surges
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May 26, 2023 8:08am
- sirknz
  
  Dear ‘Climate Scientists’
  
  People disagreeing with your conclusions is not hostility.
  
  Signed
  A Regular Person
  
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  May 26, 2023 8:21am
  - pdm
    
    sirkinz – bang on.
    
    We who challenge Climate Scientists are Realists – not deniers.
    
    Scientists should accept and by evidence try and refute the challenges – not be thin skinned and block such contesting views.
    
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    May 26, 2023 9:40am
    - sirknz
      
      Experts might have a lot knowledge of a particular area or subject, but that does not make them or their conclusions infallible or correct.
      
      I have a friend who is by all accounts reasonably intelligent but he subscribes to the ‘experts are always right’ fallacy. These climate scientists seem to believe the same thing.
      
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      May 26, 2023 10:08am
    - JJ56
      
      A useful piece on realism in coastal hazard assessment in NZ at interest.co.nz https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/121439/sean-rush-katharine-moody-say-nz-needs-be-more-realistic-when-it-comes-policy
      
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      May 26, 2023 7:23pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    You spelled “paid propaganda” incorrectly.
    
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    May 26, 2023 11:15am
- ClanMcleod
  
  They hate it when they can’t control the narrative.
  
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  May 26, 2023 8:34am
- emmess
  
  You could say ‘The Science’ is fleeing from the scientific method.
  
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  May 26, 2023 8:41am
- Master Mariner
  
  Interesting seeing Al Jezeera changing it narrative / messaging since a new investor appeared on its books.
  Bill Gates.
  It is definately not what it used to be.
  No surprises anymore.
  
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  May 26, 2023 8:53am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    MM – best advice I ever got from my dad. When a situation doesn’t seem to have any logic or doesn’t make sense, follow the money.
    
    He was right. It’s almost always the answer.
    
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    May 26, 2023 9:50am
    - cmm
      
      ” When a situation doesn’t seem to have any logic or doesn’t make sense, follow the money.”
      
      At which point is makes sense and is logical again.
      
      Another way to think of this is to find the goals and the motivation.
      
      Most people think that their goals are the same as other people’s goals and therefore other people’s actions are illogical. When you understand their goals are different from yours then their actions become logical (in general).
      
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      May 26, 2023 12:00pm
- artemisia
  
  Those opponents to climate scientists did not arrive on Twitter out of nowhere, like Venus on the half shell.
  
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  May 26, 2023 9:18am
- kowtow
  
  AJ English is very “progressive” and very climate alarmist .
  
  Very odd given who owns and funds it.
  
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  May 26, 2023 10:54am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Why are those people not at work?
  
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  May 26, 2023 12:02pm
Matt Long

Bassett wrongly accuses the the media of pushing misinformation, (It’s DISinformation Michael) and St Jacinda of wrecking the economy.
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/michael-bassett-mainstream-media-misinformation?
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May 26, 2023 8:13am
- Yvette
  
  Misinformation is false or inaccurate information—getting the facts wrong.
  Disinformation is false information which is deliberately intended to mislead—intentionally making the misstating facts.
  https://www.apa.org/topics/journalism-facts/misinformation-disinformation
  
  Unless this information is wrong
  
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  May 26, 2023 9:23am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Yup, we’ve been hammered with DIS information for 3 years. It has been no accident, no mistake.
    
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    May 26, 2023 9:52am
    - Matt Long
      
      In fact the government even set up a leftist agency to spread disinformation and called it the Disinformation Project.
      
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      May 26, 2023 11:11am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        I know, what an astonishingly dystopian name!! Whoever came up with it is either an idiot or had a great sense of humour.
        Have you noticed how quiet all the ‘experts’ have been lately? Particularly Mr Model himself, Shaun Hendy. Though I noticed they wheeled out Michael Planl a week ag to encourage people to “get your booster”. Yeah nah…..
        
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        May 26, 2023 11:27am
      - CJames
        
        You forgot the third one malinformation.
        Misinformation is the broader term and it refers to any false or misleading information. Misinformation could be a trusted friend relaying a plausible-sounding tidbit of information they themselves believe to be true when, in fact, the information is incorrect.
        Disinformation, on the other hand, is intentional. People or entities spreading disinformation know that the information is false or misleading and they want to deceive or mislead their audiences.
        Malinformation stems from the truth but is exaggerated or contextually misrepresented in ways that can mislead and cause potential harm.
        What most stuff is, in the eyes of the authorities, is malinformation. It is the truth, but contradicts the narrative.
        
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        May 26, 2023 1:13pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The best person to define this is Jaspinda, but she is gone. 🙁
    
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    May 26, 2023 12:06pm
Simon

You cant print $50 billion inject into housing and have open doors immigration and go well we need to build more houses. Its batshit insane or gaslighting.

The result of printing & mass immigration is more poverty. NZ is not longer a society but some economic unit.
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May 26, 2023 8:14am
- stiff cheese
  
  Correct!
  
  The Globalists want us to be one big Worker’s Hostel — a place where TPTB ship in cheap labour at will — or send our jobs to sweatshops overseas.
  
  The 2 policies you named (money printing and mass immigration) are essential to their plans…. and hence, cannot be changed by the govt of the day.
  
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  May 26, 2023 1:59pm
Maggie Pie

How utterly disrespectful from our ‘Minister-of- Health’!

Besides that, surely she has better things to do than sit round all day posting sh*t on Twitter?

https://twitter.com/drayeshaverrall/status/1661445789774934017
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May 26, 2023 8:18am
- sirknz
  
  Besides that, surely she has better things to do than sit round all day posting sh*t on Twitter?
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  Like what? It’s not like they are doing anything positive when they are doing what they are supposed to be doing…
  
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  May 26, 2023 8:23am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The comments are excellent.
  
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  May 26, 2023 8:27am
- CJames
  
  It’s on par with the rest of her musings. As she is supposed to be cream of the crop and one of Labour’s brightest, it lets you know how dire the rest of them are.
  
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  May 26, 2023 8:49am
  - kowtow
    
    “cream of the crop”
    
    That’s just msm paid regime propaganda.
    
    Where’s Kate Hannah and her project ?
    
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    May 26, 2023 10:56am
- Ehlana
  
  She can do better things?
  
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  May 26, 2023 9:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The whole Govt does it. Some on TradeMe as well selling unwanted rugby tickets.
  
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  May 26, 2023 12:10pm
Scott

First of all, it’s important to acknowledge DPF, who is one of the few sources of unbiased and balanced opinion in our media today.
I am pleased that Chris Luxon is poling relatively well compared to other opposition leaders over the years. It’s also pleasing that Chris Hipkins, who in my mind has not the faintest hint of leadership and command presence, is not poling well compared to other sitting prime ministers.

What alarms me is that 35% of the population would still vote for labour!? Given that we are going backwards in every conceivable metric, whether it be crime, cost of living, inflation, education, health, racial division, everything is getting worse. Yet roughly 1/3 of people would vote for more of the same!

What is wrong with us? I would suggest we have a malaise of an increasingly radical middle-class that has been infected with the woke mind virus, as Elon Musk so eloquently puts it. They have become increasingly influenced by cultural Marxism that says New Zealand is hopelessly racist, hopelessly sexless, hopelessly homophobic and everything must be overturned.

As I often say, I would rather have that one hour in church, then have to be subjected to 24 hours a day, 365 days a year of Wokeness.
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May 26, 2023 8:21am
- Phronesis
  
  What it comes down to is that 35% firmly believe that things would always be worse under a National government. The media does everything it can to support that belief. It’s impossible to prove the belief incorrect because we don’t have two identical NZ’s for each party to govern, and even if we did I’m sure the media would find some excuse for why the left one was always worse off.
  
  This is why the left chose to control our education institutions and now successfully indoctrinate half the population. A significant proportion of voters believe, regardless of all evidence, that the left govern better.
  
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  May 26, 2023 9:38am
  - cmm
    
    I think you are looking at this wrong.
    
    They might know that voting National is better for the country, for the economy, for the future, ….
    
    But is it better for THEM, personally, right now?
    
    The “climate scientists” mentioned above in universities and government are in the same boat.
    
    They are know that they are not being scientifically
    rigourous, but they also know what side their bread is buttered on. Speak out and you get your funding cut, shunned, etc. So instead of killing your career you just kill your soul.
    
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    May 26, 2023 12:10pm
    - Phronesis
      
      Sure, so for the slightly smarter and more rational ones such as the climate scientists, there is the added bonus that it’s in their own self interest. But these sort of people would never admit to themselves that they vote in their own self interest so they will even more fervently believe that the left govern better.
      
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      May 26, 2023 6:45pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They are customers of WINZ.
    
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    May 26, 2023 12:12pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  I think the problem is that probably all of those 35% are dependent on state money and rightly or wrongly, they believe National will take some of that away from them.
  
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  May 26, 2023 9:54am
  - Keith White
    
    This is evergreen:
    
    “A government which robs Productive Peter to pay Shiftless Paul can always depend on the vote of Paul.”
    
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    May 26, 2023 10:30am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Greens lost 4% I suggest they went to Labour, I suggest that floating voters went to Hipkins after he was rushed in after Cindy cut and run, and I note Nats up 3% suggests those gloating voters woke up quick, Luxon may be timing his run perfectly, a few good policies the next poll could see him move up with Hipkins down
  
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  May 26, 2023 9:55am
- kowtow
  
  scott
  
  Some of the wokest around are now the church mob , believe me.
  
  My thoughts ; ( for what it’s worth)
  
  Batflu has created a pool of very committed , elderly voters who’re so stupid and scared that they are beholden to Labour for saving their lives ( while destroying the health system they rely on)
  
  Labour has created a bigger pool of beholden public servants , who know the gravy train depends on their Labour vote at a GE .
  
  And yes our culture is pushing ever constantly left towards bigger state , more centralisation , more anti traditional etc
  
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  May 26, 2023 11:03am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Very soon there will be no golden eggs from the Net Taxpayer.
    
    ‘The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money’
    Margaret Thatcher.
    
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    May 26, 2023 12:17pm
- miltonF
  
  Not everyone has the same experience in this country.
  
  I hypothesise that the majority of the 35% support for the govt is from pensioners and beneficiaries.
  
  I was quite shocked the other week when catching up with my single friend who is on a benefit and works only one day per week. $650 cash in hand per week. That’s after tax and child support payments. Sure, costs go up, but benefits are inflation adjusted also. So they never feel any pain whatsoever! Now imagine if my example was a single mother with multiple kids…HUGE $$$. Everything is all fine and dandy in labour benefit land, I’m sorry to say.
  
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  May 26, 2023 1:54pm
- leoj
  
  Creating this forum is certainly to DPF’s credit.
  
  As for his own influence within the National Party, how are they polling?
  
  Milquetoast is the answer and DPF’s “advice” is not getting any cut through.
  
  The party needs a serious wake-up call, which they will not get from DPF.
  
  Typically weak are the current Nats.
  
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  May 26, 2023 4:38pm
colinm

@Chris Nisbet.
Regarding yesterdays conversation about Huntly.
The Wiki you linked to is incorrect. Especially in the plant details section.
Currently there are 3 Gas/Coal units available, (Units 1,2 &4) Giving 750MW.
There is also a CCGT rated at 400MW (2007) and an OCGT Rated at 50MW (2004).
Giving a grand total of 1200MW capability at Huntly.
If you check out the Wikipedia entry for Huntly, it is more accurate.
Cheers,
Colinm.
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May 26, 2023 8:22am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I am not doubting the accuracy of the data you presented, but I would point out, saying it’s from Wikipedia is not a great advert for honesty or accuracy.
  As I said, I’m not saying this to cast doubt on your information. Just pointing out Wikipedia has become a bit of a joke, well recognised for being full of fake information.
  
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  May 26, 2023 9:57am
  - colinm
    
    Hi Clan,
    The information about Huntly is pretty good on Wikipedia. Note that I didn’t use it for my source (I have better sources), just mentioned it as a place that was fairly accurate at the moment.
    
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    May 26, 2023 10:29am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Fair enough.
      
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      May 26, 2023 10:42am
  - cmm
    
    I think Wikipedia is generally accurate when it comes to non-controversial facts, but nothing, not even the old Encyclopedia Britannica, is perfect.
    
    Where Wikipedia falls down is when the facts are disputed and have become weaponised. At that point it tends to become Wokepedia.
    
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    May 26, 2023 12:14pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Good man.
  I was sure that the Transpower ‘live’ site used to list coal at 1000MW, which is why I started looking about a bit when I noticed it displaying at 750MW max.
  Maybe I was mistaken, or maybe Transpower just updated the website to reflect the current (no pun intended) capacity.
  
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  May 26, 2023 11:32am
Master Mariner

Interesting,
“Since then prices for power in Finland have continued to plunge as the efficiency of the plant flooded the grid with ‘new’ energy.

So much in fact that early on Wednesday of last week, the market price for electricity dropped below zero cents per kilowatt-hour (kWh) and for hours after that the price was only 0.3 cents per kWh at its highest, according to the country’s grid operator, Fingrid.”

https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Nuclear-Power/Finnish-Nuclear-Power-Plant-Cuts-Output-After-Prices-Go-Negative.html

Maybe some one should tell the minister about energy //

On another note, Have been busy “Towing” a Stricken vessel into Port and will explain further once the dust settles a tad.
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May 26, 2023 8:28am
- thirteenstars
  
  What Finland has done is pretty amazing. Same population as NZ. About the same GDP.
  
  There’s a short but very interesting doco about Finland’s solution to nuclear waste:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYpiK3W-g_0
  
  If nuclear power was ever seriously mooted in NZ the electricity industry would form an unholy alliance with the environmental lobby to defeat it. And the further we go down the road with “renewables” the worse it’ll become.
  
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  May 26, 2023 11:47am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Perhaps, but those who lift their heads up to see what’s going on outside our tiny South Seas hermit kingdom will surely be keeping an eye on the situation in Europe, especially Germany.
    
    Next winter will be very interesting, as they shut down all their nuclear generation and rely hugely on renewables, which are way less efficient in colder months, when demand is highest.
    
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    May 26, 2023 3:13pm
- cmm
  
  We have had periods in the past 15 years when the spot price of electricity is zero.
  
  That happened when the hydro dams were overflowing and underutilised with low demand during Christmas.
  
  Where it becomes a huge problem is with grid tied solar. If people are pumping their power onto the grid then there has to be load to soak it up. It can potentially get to the point where you’re paying people to consume (and waste) power just to keep the grid stable.
  
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  May 26, 2023 12:18pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    Mmm, yeah, but who ever wastes power for the sake of it? The point of energy is you need it when you need it.
    
    Energy consumption is only ever restricted due to price. Hell, I’d run my home at 30c ever night in winter if the power bill wouldn’t be $500.
    
    But I wouldn’t do anything special if it was suddenly cheaper. I mean, a regular day in summer, why would you turn on the AC just because its heavily discounted? You’re still paying for something you’d not normally use anyway.
    
    If power was cheaper at 8pm on a winter’s night, sure, crank it up, but it’s not. That’s the whole point. The supply and demand equation always applies.
    
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    May 26, 2023 7:38pm
Biscuit

Sharon Murdoch never fails, does she?

Her latest ‘cartoon’ – entitled ‘EVERY DOG DOESN’T HAVE ITS DAY’ – features a wary-looking greyhound looking at the latest of many damning reports on the Greyhound Racing industry.

Greyhounds that race in this country wear jackets in 10 different ‘colours’.
The 1 dog, e.g., ‘wears’ red.
2 is in black-and-white stripes.
3 carries white.
4 blue.
5 yellow.
6 green.
7 black.
8 pink.
9 green and white stripes
10 red white and blue

So, from the 10 possible alternatives to drape her sad-looking pooch in, what does Sharon choose?

BLUE.

You’d ALMOST think…
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May 26, 2023 8:34am
- Nickc2
  
  Sharon Murdoch’s a sick Puppy in her own right!
  
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  May 26, 2023 8:50am
ClanMcleod

HOW many people, I wonder, have thought about the sheer quantity of raw material required to deliver Net Zero by the end of this century, let alone by 2050? How many are aware that Tesla alone may consume most of the associated raw materials in the world to make a few million electric vehicles (EVs)?

Some inconvenient data for the nutty climate change ideologues to think about.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/phasing-out-petrol-and-diesel-cars-is-just-pie-in-the-sky/
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May 26, 2023 8:37am
- kowtow
  
  Article the other day in the UK Daily Telegraph ;
  
  EV tyres are very polluting due to the extra weight ,thus wear and tear .Bad for water ways and the air we breathe .
  
  The weight is also bad for our roads.
  
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  May 26, 2023 9:01am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    More evidence of the laws of unintended (but entirely predictable) consequences for actions.
    
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    May 26, 2023 9:59am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Sorry, that is not news. Just wish people would learn.
    
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    May 26, 2023 10:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You mean EYs are creating potholes and not paying?
    
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    May 26, 2023 12:24pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      EVs*
      
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      May 26, 2023 12:26pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Just wait till they are ready for recycling //.
    Cant be too far around the corner.
    What actually happens to EV insurance writeoffs?
    Anyone know
    
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    May 26, 2023 3:09pm
- cmm
  
  But, but, but, it’s such a great aspiration!
  
  Don’t worry about the outcomes, just feel the feelz.
  
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  May 26, 2023 2:53pm
Suze Wainwright

Does anyone else think Jessica Mutch-MacKay looks quite cute when she’s angry & upset?

Heh, telling the Greens to look ‘disciplined’ in order to help Labour. Does she have any idea that telling a Green to look ‘disciplined’ is something that would go against their very fabric and being…
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May 26, 2023 8:38am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Does she not know that Greens will scare the shit out of voters and push them to Nats.
  
  #votenatstokeepgreenstpmout
  
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  May 26, 2023 9:58am
- rouppe
  
  Well, every Green will think they in their faction are disciplined, it’s just the members of those other factions.
  
  I still can’t get over how many different factions there are, disclosed by about 5 of them writing a letter to delay the list ranking
  
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  May 26, 2023 10:57am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Well I don’t think the Green Party of Aotearoa/New Zealand has demonstrated inclusiveness towards Takatapui over the Kerekere affair
    
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    May 26, 2023 1:40pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That’s as bad as calling someone a crybaby.
  
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  May 26, 2023 12:27pm
- Piniwi
  
  Also noted Suze is she seems to have shed a few pounds which might be result of a bit more physical activity at home. Sadly though it seems to have also cost her a loss of some degree of political awareness which was never her strongest attribute. Lefty biased mouthpieces loose so much effectiveness at the lip as they have to tailor everything to fit their narrative when a balanced wordsmith knows the true value of every word. Words matter.
  
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  May 26, 2023 2:19pm
Master Mariner

And again we appear to be waiting for the magic silver bullet on technology that is unavailable,

https://gcaptain.com/biden-taps-energy-department-to-find-climate-friendly-alternatives-for-jet-and-shipping-fuels/

“To achieve the agency’s low-emission fuel goal, the department plans to develop alternative fuels using biomass sources such as forest trimmings and municipal solid waste, said Jay Fitzgerald, the chief scientist for the department’s Bioenergy Technologies Office. He added that other options could even include waste carbon dioxide. ”

The reality for Shipping is far more opaque, With ship builders unable / willing to modify ( To what) for new builds for the future.

https://www.ics-shipping.org/press-release/political-instability-is-a-risk-multiplier-which-is-putting-a-successful-green-energy-transition-in-maritime-in-jeopardy-ics-report-shows/

“• New report highlights that there is changing attitudes towards the fuels of the future from industry leaders but reliance on fossil fuels remains high without global political and regulatory clarity.”

And,
““The need for clear direction from our regulators and political leaders shines through in the data gathered from maritime leaders around the world for this report. Delays in government decisionmaking will have far reaching consequences for the shipping industry as key choices regarding supply chain resilience, greenhouse gas (GHG) reduction measures (including carbon pricing, alternative fuel availability and the provision of new onshore bunkering infrastructure) will determine how the industry evolves over the next decade. Make no mistake, shipping and maritime will be at the heart of many of the changes that the coming decade will bring, which is why it is imperative that we remain active participants in national and international discussions. Although our individual interests may vary, mutual understanding and collective action to leverage capabilities are the keys to a better future not just for our sector, but other sectors – and indeed, the world as a whole.”

Can someone ask Transport Minister what his thoughts are for NZ //
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May 26, 2023 8:47am
- kevn
  
  @MM… ‘Forest trimmings’ lol
  
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  May 26, 2023 9:30am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I know, it sounds like a rubbish bag full of pine cones ffs…….it’s clear felling of whole forests.
    
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    May 26, 2023 10:00am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s never just forest”trimmings” once something relies on biomass energy…
    
    It soon degenerates into logging of old growth forest..
    
    https://www.nrdc.org/bio/elly-pepper/bbc-reveals-drax-logging-old-growth-forests-biomass
    
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    May 26, 2023 12:20pm
- Observant Octagenarian
  
  I’m sure that wind-powered ships will prove to be the answer!
  
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  May 26, 2023 10:21am
  - KH
    
    You can’t have wind powered ships. They have big tall masts that cost a lot and have to go to landfill later.
    
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    May 26, 2023 10:52am
    - Keith White
      
      Bring back galleys! There are a lot of ram-raiders and their parents who can row a trireme or two.
      
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      May 26, 2023 1:52pm
    - miltonF
      
      The problem is more to do with their speed. Motorised vessels can deliver four shipments in the time it would take a sail powered vessel to deliver one. So the investment doesn’t stack up for the return. However those numbers might change if the vessels are fully automated.
      
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      May 26, 2023 2:05pm
- Taieri
  
  A couple of interesting articles on the same topic (marine fuels):
  
  https://www.bairdmaritime.com/ship-world/dry-cargo-world/column-whats-to-fear-about-future-fuels-grey-power/
  
  https://www.bairdmaritime.com/ship-world/boxship-world/column-future-fuels-its-anybodys-guess-grey-power/
  
  With one particular issue, which is very relevant to all island nations:
  
  “There is no body that can provide any assurance whatsoever that alternative fuel can be made available at the sort of scale that will be needed.”
  
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  May 26, 2023 10:35am
  - Matt Long
    
    Nuclear powered ships? Repurpose power plants from old military vessels?
    
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    May 26, 2023 11:00am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      See what you have done now? All of the Greens are rolling around on the floor and saying things I can’t understand.//
      
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      May 26, 2023 12:31pm
- cmm
  
  No, no, no… the way to a Perfect Green Future is the way the Poms do biomass:
  * First chop down native forests in USA.
  * Cart the trees by truck to a chipping plant.
  * Munch them up unto wood chips.
  * Load on barges and barge to the ocean port (or send by rail to ocean port).
  * Load onto ships.
  * Ship across Altantic.
  *Offload
  * Load onto trucks.
  * Take by road to biomass power station.
  * Burn this sustainable green, carbon-neutral biomass and make some electricity.
  * Sit back and feel smug.
  
  Much better than those filthy farmers in New Zealand that:
  * Extract CO2 out of the atmosphere.
  * Make it into food.
  * Get blamed for everything.
  
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  May 26, 2023 3:20pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Are convicted rapists allowed to wear ‘man-buns’ in prison?

(My partner has always reckoned they look gay.)
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May 26, 2023 8:47am
- Albie
  
  Might be a good idea for him to get a haircut and keep a low profile, or he might find the tables have turned and he will now be “ on the receiving end”.
  
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  May 26, 2023 9:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yes
  Physical appearance of prisoners detained in prison
  Unless the health centre manager directs otherwise on the grounds of health, safety, or cleanliness, a prisoner may keep or adopt the hair style of the prisoner’s choice.
  
  https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2005/0053/latest/DLM316217.html
  
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  May 26, 2023 9:14am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    WIGS must be treated differently?
    I recall that murdering scum-of-the-earth Philip John Smith lost his appeal to wear that ridiculous looking merkin on his ugly head 😀
    
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    May 26, 2023 9:39am
- Vory v zakone
  
  In prison a man bun is known as a saddle horn for their new ‘boyfriend(s)’ 😉
  
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  May 26, 2023 9:56am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Buba wants an introduction.
  
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  May 26, 2023 12:33pm
Suze Wainwright

Is Jessica Mutch-MacKay hosting the tv debates this year? How can anyone who wears their hatred of Christopher Luxon so blatantly on their sleeve capable of any objectivity?

Her levels of political ‘analysis’ are mind blowing. National govts always get poll bumps after their Budget announcements, but Labour govts never do – it’s just NOT fair… The more people get to know Luxon the more they don’t like him…
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May 26, 2023 8:52am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They will probably use someone like that little shit Jack Tame
  
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  May 26, 2023 9:59am
- Paulus
  
  Allright let the interviewing go to an impartial interviewer, if not Jessica, you know who, as she appears still to be out of a job, our Tova !
  
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  May 26, 2023 11:13am
- Piniwi
  
  Right Suze most are aware that a political analysis from Much-MacKay is like those Labour repeater station trolls that litter the National FB page. Does make her a good source of what Labour are thinking but we must wonder if she is still happy with the media career path she chose as it often seems to be an awkward fit as she tries to pass another square egg.
  
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  May 26, 2023 2:32pm
softail 1450

Maggie Pie ,More likely shopping at Target and wearing “tuckable panties and fold under swimsuits “, Target are giving them away after being hit with a massive boycott in the USA ,so Fnn funny.
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May 26, 2023 8:54am
thirteenstars

Manawatu Gorge walking track closed for a month by local Maori because someone died while using the track.

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/05/general_debate_26_may_2023.html

The death is not suspicious. It is not a crime scene. It is not a track safety issue. It’s been closed because of Maori religious belief.

Rangitāne o Manawatū representative Terry Hapi said the rāhui, which prohibited access to the area, covered the entire reserve and would remain in place until June 22.

‘The length of the rāhui gives the ngahere (forest) time to heal and reflects the cycle of the moon,’ he said.

Welcome to NZ in 2023, folks.
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May 26, 2023 9:23am
- Swifty
  
  Superstitious mumbo-jumbo.
  
  Makes us all look like primitive, fearful children living in a world we don’t understand.
  
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  May 26, 2023 9:55am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  No, can’t be NZ. This could only happen in Aotearoa.
  
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  May 26, 2023 10:10am
- Clyde
  
  This is a pile of absolute crap and if I was in the area and wanted to walk the track I’d do so. These actions are just an indicator of what is going on with East Polynesian control of the conservation estate.
  
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  May 26, 2023 10:17am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    If enough don’t comply with rules that aren’t enforceable this goes away, no consequences.
    
    Just ask a ram raider………
    
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    May 26, 2023 11:40am
- Yabster
  
  just turn up and walk it-what bollocks.
  
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  May 26, 2023 10:21am
- Taieri
  
  It’s been closed because of Maori religious belief.
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  Not at all. They closed it because they CAN!
  
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  May 26, 2023 10:37am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ‘I am in control here, you pakeha fullas.’
    
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    May 26, 2023 12:37pm
- cmm
  
  I really don’t mind Maori observing THEIR customs at THEIR inconvenience any more than I worry about Catholics not eating meat on Friday or Jews having fridges where the inside light does not come on on the Sabbath.
  
  But where I do mind is if those are imposed on everyone. How would people feel about:
  * Meat eating being completely banned for everyone on Friday?
  * Nobody is allowed to let their fridge light turn on on Sabbath.
  * Everyone eats Kosher, and according to Hindu and Muslim rules?
  
  Perhaps a small amount of cultural imposition is OK (eg. one day of rāhui) to be in line with Easter/Christmas shutdowns, but a whole month is complete bullshit.
  
  I’ll wager my standard bet of 50 cents and a servo pie that there were few such rāhuis after murderous cannibalistic inter-tribal raids before the guilty whiteys showed up.
  
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  May 26, 2023 3:38pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    “Perhaps a small amount of cultural imposition is OK (eg. one day of rāhui) to be in line with Easter/Christmas shutdowns…”
    
    Nope, that’s bullshit, too.
    
    Actually, it’s a philosophical problem for true believers, for Christians, Jews, Muslims, the whole religious community.
    
    If you can have your Easter shutdown, Maori can have their rahui. And if your Easter shutdown is Friday and Sunday, Maori can have their month of healing. And if they can’t have a month, you don’t get two days at Easter. And Muslims don’t get a month of Ramadan.
    
    The whole thing devolves into rent-seeking stupidity. I want my slice, Jack, and I want you to suffer for it.
    
    Religion is a *personal* calling. It’s not to be imposed upon anyone else. Rahui or Easter Sunday, keep it to yourself.
    
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    May 26, 2023 7:25pm
Maggie Pie

I found this quite shocking…. but typical Labor 🙁

The governments “Ka Ora, Ka Ako” initiative is now serving up more than A MILLION FREE-LUNCHES in schools, as parents from lower socio-economic groups struggle to put food on the table.

Meanwhile, here’s Chippie, complaining about putting ON weight due to over eating! Honestly, you couldn’t make this shit up.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/05/25/pm-jokes-sausage-rolls-cause-5kg-weight-gain-this-year/
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May 26, 2023 9:24am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… I gather waste from uneaten school lunches is staggering.
  
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  May 26, 2023 9:34am
- RoboRob
  
  My wife was telling me last night how she had to help feed 2 kids at her ECE center yesterday. Mum (solo) is broke and was turned down for additional support by Winz, not enough food left in the house for proper lunches for the kids. Wife topped up the lunches.
  
  Two new kids coming in, parents living in car.
  
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  May 26, 2023 9:37am
Maggy Wassilieff

Hubby and I have agreed to have shorter showers.

We’ve lowered the shower head by 10cm.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2305/S00194/act-would-scrap-79m-agency-responsible-for-showerganda.htm
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May 26, 2023 9:25am
- pdm
  
  Creative Maggy.
  
  Next you will be showering together.
  
  You already do!!!! Wow – we Kiwibloggers did not know that.
  
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  May 26, 2023 9:46am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Next you will be showering together.
    
    Alas, that may well be our fate as we dribble into our dotage…
    I don’t think there’s too many home helps available hereabouts.
    
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    May 26, 2023 10:33am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Shorter showers. Some of us already do. Take an egg timer with you.
  Once again NZers treated like 5 year olds.
  
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  May 26, 2023 10:19am
ClanMcleod

An almost fatal accident at Half Moon Bay. A commercial diver was dragged under the boat being worked on when someone started the engine while he was in the water. He’s in intensive care, but going to be ok apparently. Clearly some sort of major communication cock up and an investigation will be carried out. Hoping he recovers fully.
However, my point of posting, is take a look at the article.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-diver-michal-kovac-critically-injured-after-being-dragged-into-sealink-ferry-propeller/2X6IUHSHQNEAZBAN2Y7M3YJOAU/

Check out the photo of FIVE police cars attending!! WTF?!?!
This is a workplace accident. Ambulance, yes. One police vehicle, maybe. 5 police cars? While we have out of control violent crime happening everywhere in the country?
Was this a nice easy one to attend? Rather than having to actually confront thugs and criminals?

Looks ludicrously over the top to me, maybe someone can explain why the apparent overkill?
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May 26, 2023 9:32am
- MCōs
  
  Maybe there’s a good bakery at Half Moon Bay?
  
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  May 26, 2023 10:02am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Dunkin’ Donuts….😅
    
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    May 26, 2023 10:40am
  - Fedup oldie
    
    Actually there are quite a few good cafes and observing police presence over a number of years they are well known by them.
    Nothing to do with ram raids and burglaries though!!!
    
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    May 26, 2023 11:37am
- Taieri
  
  Clearly some sort of major communication cock up and an investigation will be carried out.
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  Normally, the engine controls are locked out and suitable notices placed at propulsion controls, before the divers go into water. This must be witnessed by the diver supervisor and the Chief Engineer of the vessel. Locks can only be removed by an authorized person after the divers come out of water.
  
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  May 26, 2023 10:41am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    So it does sound like a major procedural failure by someone.
    
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    May 26, 2023 10:48am
  - rouppe
    
    The inference I took from the story was that the diver was exiting the water at the time, in that he was out of the water (climbing the ladder), but all the umbilical cords were still deployed and not yet been retrieved.
    
    So some plonker jumped the gun, and should be limited to cleaning the toilets for some time
    
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    May 26, 2023 11:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I have done this at my work. Signs on the pressbrake when fitting lights and single phase. Even on the compressor. “Warning. This machine starts automatically”
    
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    May 26, 2023 12:44pm
- Albie
  
  Clan- re over the top police deployments; 9:30am last Friday my friends, an elderly couple, were pulled over in Whitford, an affluent rural region in East Auckland. Four cars and six officers breath testing and checking Wof’s and rego’s ffs!
  I am sick of hearing about stretched resources when you hear examples such as this.
  
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  May 26, 2023 11:55am
  - Ghost
    
    When I was in primary school a friends mother was decapitated by a drunk driver. So I’m supportive of the roading police doing their job. Getting drunks off the road, people speeding and unsafe cars is just as important a crime for the roading police as the crime the other police units work on. That knock on the door when you get told your loved one has been killed by another driver, it’s hell. Hope you never experience it
    
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    May 26, 2023 12:06pm
    - cmm
      
      Sure, but then focus on danger.
      Far too often the cops are rather just targeting safe speed.
      
      For example, here in Canterbury we have some long, straight, wide-ish roads with little traffic. You can see tomorrow coming up over the horizon.
      
      Someone doing 120 or 130 in these conditions is endangering nothing except their wallet.
      
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      May 26, 2023 3:44pm
      - Ghost
        
        And yet we still have accidents on the Timaru to Christchurch road
        
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        May 26, 2023 7:32pm
kevn

@Maggy… You could sit in the shower and really save.
Patent the idea.
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May 26, 2023 9:33am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Typo in there.
  
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  May 26, 2023 12:45pm
hullkiwi

Impertinent question of day time again.

I am in my 60s now, I’ve seen bad governments before that have ranged from divisive (Muldoon) to incompetent (Kirk/Rowling) to inept (Palmer), but are the Ardern/Hipkins governments that NZ has ever had and ever seen?

I ask this because I do not believe NZ has ever seen a government that has:

1. spent (or committed to spend) record amounts of money and delivered nothing or worse outcomes than before they target a particular activity or programme (e g. Child poverty or mental health);

2. Implement policies and programmes aimed at dividing New Zealanders based on ethnicity

3. Overseen major failures and negative outcome records in every policy or government area e g.
Falling literacy rates among school leavers since the 1960s, housing waiting lists for social housing, waiting times for surgery expanding but with no true measures because no health authority is recording/reporting waiting times, increases in violent crime unprecedented in NZ’s history.

4. consisted of a daily outpouring of lies, gaslighting or attempts to hide failures because the respective Minister is not competent to fulfill their brief.

5. The use of public funds in a unprecedented manner to control media stories and content about the government and what is happening in NZ. This includes money channelled through NZ on Air for programming that was commissioned and broadcast to provide a false narrative to New Zealanders (there have been a series of programmes on TV, on radio and in podcasts that fall into this category).

6. The establishment of bodies such as the Disinformation Project. A supposedly academic based programme that comprise “experts” who highlight information they consider “disinformation” and dangerous the public good or the implementation government policy. The assumption here is that there is only one source of information that is true and for the public good and that is “government information”. George Orwell would be horrified that his Room 101 became a reality in a Western Democracy.

The above is but a small list of why I think this government is the worst I have ever seen in New Zealand’s history. I just live in hope that New Zealanders when they go to the polls in October do not repeat the foolishness of 2020 and elect the Labour/Green/Maori Party (known also the Coalition of Chaos) as New Zealand’s next government.
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May 26, 2023 9:36am
- Swifty
  
  I first started voting in ‘84.
  
  This is the worst government in my lifetime – and worst I define as the biggest gaps between what they promise versus actually deliver coupled with the massive gulf between spending versus movement in headline outcomes.
  
  Once you add their driving of enormous social division particularly through racially discriminatory policies and the absolute squandering of six years of opportunities for long-term improvement and this Labour government clearly win the prize of worst in my lifetime.
  
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  May 26, 2023 9:51am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Swifty, I started voting in 1980 with the ECB by-election, this govt is by any measure the worst.
    
    It has managed to comprise all the worst traits of past Labour administrations, being:
    – the Clark ideological brutality (which stemmed from Auckland University Princes Street Labour Branch which I witnessed in the 1980s & which Clark was part of); and
    – the ineptness and incompetence of other previous Labour administrations.
    
    They have taken the above traits and added lies, deceit, conniving, gaslighting, obfuscation and distortion to the way they conduct themselves and provide governance of New Zealand.
    
    A very low bar for any future administration.
    
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    May 26, 2023 11:30am
    - Swifty
      
      I quite agree.
      
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      May 26, 2023 12:05pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  hullkiwi – a depressing list of Labour “achievements”, and you didn’t even have to mention the disastrous and ongoing covid response.
  
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  May 26, 2023 10:06am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Clan, yes.
    
    You are right, it is a depressing list, and I could write a very long list.
    
    I didn’t need to mention the COVID response, for 2 reasons. 1. You do an excellent job highlighting what was a public health scam from day 1 between the WHO, Big Pharma, the WEF and dim witted politicians around the world; and 2. my family experienced the worst of COVID folly (my father died alone on 28/03/2020 – check when the date was).
    
    Re. The COVID responses, have you seen the news of the sh*t show starting in the UK with enquiry into UK government’s response to COVID?
    
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    May 26, 2023 10:34am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      I haven’t come across that inquiry in the UK. Do you have any links?
      I was pleasantly surprised to see the Australians have acknowledged vaccine injury and death and have a compensation scheme that has already paid out over $7 million.
      
      https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/covid-19-vaccine-claims-scheme
      
      Also a class action lawsuit has been launched against the government.
      
      https://www.theepochtimes.com/class-action-launched-against-australian-government-over-vaccine-injuries_5241015.html
      
      NZ? Get your booster!!
      
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      May 26, 2023 10:53am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Clan, the enquiry is in its early days, the Enquiry’s Chair has been determined to get all required evidence starting with the Buffoon Johnson.
        
        https://www.ft.com/content/8cf5440b-2f9c-48b6-adf9-6414b4a05453
        
        As is usual with Johnson, matters have moved to being all about him, rather than him caring about the truth or the public.
        
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        May 26, 2023 11:11am
- MCōs
  
  Everyone has their opinion, of course
  David Seymour refers to the the current administration as ‘Labour’s reign of woke terror’
  He’s setting a high bar for National and ACT should they win the forthcoming election.
  He’s been in parliament a longish time, young Seymour, without the responsibility of government
  Throwing round words like ‘terror’ can come back and bite you in the bum when it comes to putting the boot into people who have fallen on hard times just so nobody can call you ‘woke’.
  
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  May 26, 2023 10:19am
  - Inandout
    
    MC, you must recall the podium dwellers throwing around words like ‘we are the sole source of truth’? And yes they did terrorise a large portion of our population to comply. Seymour’s statements are benign in comparison.
    
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    May 26, 2023 10:24am
    - MCōs
      
      Seymour was in on that
      I remember thinking at the time ‘why is he going along with these lockdowns? Surely it’s against the ACT philosophies of freedom of movement and all the rest?’
      Did he object to the government propping up all those businesses with billions of dollars to get them through the lockdowns?
      The Tax Payers Union, which is aligned to ACT grabbed their bit.
      
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      May 26, 2023 10:52am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        “Grabbed their bit”. It isn’t like it was bludging or anything. My business was absolutely hammered, what I got from them didn’t cover a fraction of the losses.
        Still trying to recover.
        
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        May 26, 2023 10:55am
      - Yabster
        
        you seem to be forgetting who actually put the lockdowns in place and who paid out untargeted money to just about any business that put their hand out- just a reminder it was your old pals the Liemore party…
        
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        May 26, 2023 11:00am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        The government were responsible for the massive financial damage caused to so many businesses. It was the least they could do to help many scrape through, not all made it.
        The only shame is, it didn’t come out of their own pockets. That would have been justice. It was a completely predicted and avoidable cock up.
        
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        May 26, 2023 11:13am
      - MCōs
        
        Did anyone in parliament object to the lockdowns when they were enacted?
        No
        That came later
        BTW
        Where’s the million returning Kiwis who were busting down the MIQ doors?
        
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        May 26, 2023 5:39pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    A high bar? I beg to differ, an example, Jan Tinetti has set such a low bar of achievement Education Minister that Erica Stanford doesn’t have to do much as Education Minister to be recognised as a success.
    
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    May 26, 2023 10:40am
    - Yabster
      
      yep a clever 5 year old would do a better job than most of the red ministers a very very low bar indeed.
      
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      May 26, 2023 10:58am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Keep the Country poor, keep the voters poor and dependent, and promise free shit that never happens.
  
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  May 26, 2023 12:48pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    promise free shit that never happens.
    
    You got your surgery didn’t you … ?
    
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    December 26, 2022 2:10pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yes, but I waited in pain for nearly two years.
      Painkillers became lollies.
      
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      May 27, 2023 8:59am
Swifty

Those bloody Welsh!!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-crime-vapeys-stores-have-been-robbed-12-times-with-staff-sexually-assaulted-threatened-at-knifepoint/ILKWGWQJ5BEEBDW7NDLYBHIUTI/

Won’t somebody do something about all this white cis-male violence?

Marama, what would you suggest?
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May 26, 2023 9:46am
- BananaLlama
  
  The cis strikes back.
  Revenge of the cis.
  Attack of the cis.
  Return of the cis.
  A cis Lord.
  
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  May 26, 2023 10:23am
- Keith White
  
  “Bernard Goetz is about to enter the chat.”
  
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  May 26, 2023 2:01pm
sirknz

How long till one of these thieves is beheaded by one of these store owners?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-crime-vapeys-stores-have-been-robbed-12-times-with-staff-sexually-assaulted-threatened-at-knifepoint/ILKWGWQJ5BEEBDW7NDLYBHIUTI/

Would a jury convict the store owner or the employee because it is clear that the judiciary isn’t doing their job…
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May 26, 2023 9:58am
- Inandout
  
  sir, I note the casual way they robbed that place like pretty much knowing they won’t be caught anyway. I love the way everything of note is pixelated, almost like the police don’t want people calling in with names of suspects.
  
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  May 26, 2023 10:30am
- Keith White
  
  sirk: It would end up being a judge trial and the judge would do to the double-victim (once victimized by the criminal, then vicitimized by the Police for self-defencse) what the US courts did to the Jan 6 “tourists”: throw the book at them because governments everywhere hate any threat to their authority and arrogance. They alone want to decide ‘Crime and Punishment’.
  
  Note how Liebour have emptied prisons by >30%, claim there is no relationship between that and our crime wave, and are tongue-bathed and feted by the bought-and-paid-for media for the “bravery” they showed in turning more ferals loose on our streets.
  
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  May 26, 2023 10:46am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Yes, I too am waiting for the day when a shopkeeper is actually prepared and armed and fights back leaver would be robber disabled, seriously injured or worse. Surely self defense is still a defence in court?
  
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  May 26, 2023 11:03am
  - Keith White
    
    This is what the Blue Patched Gang say about self-defense
    
    “Unless it is absolutely necessary to defend yourself to avoid harm, the best thing to do is to move away, avoid a confrontation, call Police and provide them with a good description.
    
    “You may use force to defend yourself, but force needs to be reasonable.
    
    “The law relating to self-defence
    “Everyone is justified in using, in the defence of himself or another, such force as, in the circumstances as he believes them to be, it is reasonable to use.” (Section 48 of the Crimes Act 1961.)
    
    “This means you are allowed to defend yourself from attack, but … tThe idea is to defend yourself, not to cause injury or get revenge. If you use unreasonable force, you are committing a crime.
    
    Since Coster’s Wokesters define ‘reasonable’, any shopkeeper or other person who fights back is almost certainly going to be charged with a crime.
    
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    May 26, 2023 2:04pm
    - cmm
      
      “Everyone is justified in using, in the defence of himself or another, such force as, in the circumstances as he believes them to be, it is reasonable to use.” (Section 48 of the Crimes Act 1961.)”
      
      According to that, what matters is what the person who is defending themselves believes at the time they defended themselves.
      
      If you see a person sneaking around in your garden and you BELIEVE them to be a dangerous gang member who threatened you earlier that night holding a dangerous weapon and you BELIEVE that they are out to kill you then you are entitled to act as if your life is in danger. If it turns out that they were someone else holding a bread roll and who ended up in your garden when they got lost going to feed the ducks, that is irrelevant. What matters is what you BELIEVED at the time.
      
      This is an extremely important point because we act on the information we have available. We cannot reasonably be judged when the facts come rolling in some time later.
      
      This is not legal advice and I am not a lawyer.
      
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      May 26, 2023 3:56pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  In reality they need guns with rubber bullets (.22 or 9mm)
  
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  May 26, 2023 12:55pm
  - cmm
    
    I’d settle for pepper spray as a start.
    
    Enough weapon to change someone’s mind (most of the time), but not fatal.
    
    The biggest problem with using firearms is there is no oops/undo button.
    
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    May 26, 2023 3:57pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Enough get hurt and the robberies will stop.
      
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      May 27, 2023 9:01am
- hullkiwi
  
  sirknz, tonight’s news
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/05/one-person-hospitalised-following-robbery-at-tara-liquor-store.html
  
  Let’s see Andersen gaslight her way out of this one. How long is going to be before yet another store is killed?
  
  This is not the NZ I grew up in!
  
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  May 26, 2023 9:29pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not the NZ I grew up in either.
    Once the Police would take you behind the woodshed and give you a good lesson.
    Now the Police take you behind the woodshed, shake your hand and give you a cuddle.
    
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    May 27, 2023 9:03am
    - Ghost
      
      Nothing to do with the police, everything to do with the justice system. We’ve lost a few older police who are angry that they do the work and the justice system lets them go with a slap on the wrist.
      
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      May 27, 2023 9:18am
NoCash

Put aside that the following tweet is from Kim Dotcom, watch the video of David Martin talking at a recent International Covid Summit hosted by the European Parliament.

https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1661698114917646336?s=20

I wonder why is it not reported in the MSM…
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May 26, 2023 10:12am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Excellent. Enough information there to see multiple people around the world arrested instantly. Quite a few here in NZ.
  
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  May 26, 2023 11:08am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  For the very same reason the Pfizer Vaccine was not tested.
  Rob Roos asks a Pfizer executive. She said “NO”
  
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  May 26, 2023 1:01pm
  - NoCash
    
    Looking back, Trump’s gloating about his Operation Warp Speed to get the vaxx out in record time was fishy, they had years to prepare in fact… just one big lie.
    
    I do wonder if he knew the truth or was kept in the dark like the public…
    
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    May 26, 2023 1:22pm
- cmm
  
  I am not saying he’s wrong, but KDC can smell an advantage for himself here.
  
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  May 26, 2023 3:59pm
ClanMcleod

We Need a COVID ‘Reckoning,’ Says Governor DeSantis in Elon Musk Twitter Space Event

Stanford professor of medicine and Great Barrington Declaration author Dr. Jay Bhattacharya asked Governor DeSantis how we avoid the mistakes of lockdown policies from happening again.

“What are your thoughts about reforming the public health authority in the United States and the Federal government, the CDC, the FDA, the NIH? How do you see reforms we need so that the mistakes of the lockdowns that happened during the pandemic don’t happen again when there’s another pandemic?” Dr. Bhattacharya questioned.

“Well, first, we need an honest reckoning about what happened during COVID,” remarked Governor DeSantis. “And the only honest reckoning is that all of those [health] agencies, all of the elites, the public health establishment, they failed. They instituted bad policies,” he expressed.

https://vigilantfox.substack.com/p/we-need-a-covid-reckoning-says-governor

Exactly the same as here. We could really do with just one politician in NZ to speak up. Seymour? Nope, total denial.
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May 26, 2023 10:14am
- mandk
  
  I think all the parties currently in Parliament would be terrified of an open, honest look at how NZ’s Covid response was managed and what its economic and social Benefit: Cost balance has been.
  
  They all bought into the notion that the vaxx was safe and effective, and they all supported the mandates.
  
  Yet, day by day, it is becoming ever more evident that the vaxx has been almost completely ineffective and, worse, that the covid response has led to a growing toll of non-covid excess deaths.
  
  On top of that, the economic cost has been huge and the population has become deeply divided.
  
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  May 26, 2023 11:13am
MCōs

Who wants to take on Trump?
https://twitter.com/theonion/status/1661828006061416470?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
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May 26, 2023 10:27am
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘ U.S. — In a stunning turn of events, Adolf Hitler, the infamous dictator responsible for World War II and the Holocaust, has announced his bid for the US presidency in the upcoming 2024 election.’
  https://babylonbee.com/news/adolf-hitler-announces-run-for-president
  
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  May 26, 2023 12:08pm
Maggie Pie

My partner just came up with a great idea….he reckons we should leave one of our showers running on hot all day just to piss them off.
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May 26, 2023 10:28am
- Taieri
  
  we should leave one of our showers running on hot all day just to piss them off.
  ——————
  
  Will they pay your power bill though?
  
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  May 26, 2023 10:44am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You may have misunderstood the actual thrust of Labor’s campaign, silly?
    
    They want people to… “Find Money In Weird Places” and save it….that’s why we’re going to SPEND as much as we can.
    
    SHEESH!
    
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    May 26, 2023 11:34am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Yesterday and today. Good piece by Sean Plunket yesyerday.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/tonight-julian-is-in-levin/

Today. Looks like the Levin Meeting was gatecrashed. Then Maori verses bad Maori.
The Police did nothing after being called. This is what Police do these days. Clearly it was trespassing a Private Meeting. Good call by Julian to call it off so as not to reward abusive behaviour.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/police-fail-to-do-their-job-at-levin/
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May 26, 2023 10:39am
- Inandout
  
  SO, the police have their orders and I believe the Levin station closes at 5pm. The hall attendees will come away with definite views on co-governance.
  
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  May 26, 2023 11:02am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The hall attendees have been asked to write letters of complaint.
    As I said elsewhere, mention you saw a gun and the place would be lit up in 5 minutes.
    
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    May 27, 2023 9:07am
- thirteenstars
  
  There was a caller to Plunket’s show this morning who said they were privy to the tactics being used by protestors after SCG made the meetings private, and the tactic is simply to gatecrash, which means they must be counting on the cops not tossing them out, which is what happened last night in Levin. The report on the SCG site says the police wouldn’t remove the gatecrashers because they were behaving themselves which SCG say is equivalent to not removing a trespasser from a person’s property because they weren’t being a nuisance, which is dead right.
  
  Ironically SCG had been advised months ago by police to make the meetings private to prevent disturbances from protestors. Now the bloody cops won’t remove trespassers from these private meetings.
  
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  May 26, 2023 11:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    All that is needed is a Cop higher up ant supports SCG to give the orders. 4 Cops in Levin does not pass the sniff test. Tell the Cops that two have have guns and the place will be alive in 5 minutes.
    No arrests. Same at Orewa, no arrests. Cops outnumbered.
    
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    May 26, 2023 1:11pm
Maggy Wassilieff

There’s rules for the great unwashed and rules for the elite…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/environment-ministry-ceo-flying-to-wellington-once-a-week/3MZJCSOCQZGN7HGGKGTFJ5TPHA/
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May 26, 2023 11:30am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Maybe his computer does not send emails?//
  
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  May 26, 2023 1:13pm
- Xquenda Choudhury
  
  Big deal. Thousands of people travel by plane most weeks. Me included.
  
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  May 26, 2023 1:25pm
  - Ghost
    
    And are you telling people to cut back on flights while still flying yourself? So it is a big deal that the ministry is telling people to cut back and not doing what they are telling others to do
    
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    May 26, 2023 1:31pm
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Yup, generally BY cuts through the nonsense with his comments – but here, he feels an unintended personal slight and missed the actual point.
      
      Yes, I fly too…and will fly, and feel no guilt – but I am not at the public tit and telling others that ‘there ain’t no Planet B’ and ‘the world is under an existential threat’….yet still doesn’t think a zoom call to another city is any substitute to face to face.
      
      Politicians and celebrities who talk climate change often turn out to be doing very little around sacrifice or behavioural change themselves – while we are rinsing off soggy plastic wrap for recycling from off our supermarket meat packs, they are climbing aboard a private jet to travel to see Beyonce open the Super Bowl.
      
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      May 26, 2023 3:05pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  Why does this surprise you… many Agency, Authority and Ministry CE’s/CEO’s and also their GM’s DCE’s etc live outside Wellington and fly in for 3 or 4 days to work in HQ. And to make it even better they will often pop out by jet to a regional office to fly the flag and do the HR see the big boss cares bs routine.
  
  Check out MBIE pretty sure their CE lives in Auckland….. and flys to Wellington weekly…
  
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  May 26, 2023 1:46pm
Matt Long

Today I found that the Waikato District Council meets in the Royal City. It just goes to show that public servants mostly seek prestige locations.
https://www.waikatodistrict.govt.nz/your-council/council-committees-boards/council
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May 26, 2023 11:31am
- I remember when
  
  Why did we change something we had right in the first place?
  
  Until 1975 only so-called ‘half-castes’ (people with one Maori and one European parent) were allowed to choose which seat (Maori or
  General Electorate) they wished to vote in.
  In 1975 the Labour government introduced a ‘Maori electoral option’, to be held alongside (or following) each census.
  If you’re whangai or you’re an adopted child in a New Zealand family you can only register for the Maori roll if you’re Maori yourself.
  
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  May 26, 2023 12:56pm
Maggie Pie

Speaking with one of the girls from Church this morning.
Bernadette was telling me she saw a study recently, which concluded that more than 80% of Maori children born in the last decade, were either unplanned, unwanted, or both.

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1661867396582309890
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May 26, 2023 11:47am
- MCōs
  
  Unwanted by who?
  You?
  BTW
  We’re your kids planned?
  
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  May 26, 2023 1:02pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    God no! And neither was I.
    Mum still blames me for all her woes 😀
    
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    May 26, 2023 1:10pm
- MCōs
  
  The Catholic Church doesn’t care whether your kids are wanted are not.
  They don’t belong to you. They belong to the church.
  And just to make sure better not use those contraceptives
  Or have attitudes changed in recent times?
  
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  May 26, 2023 1:09pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    It’s still a sin Cossie. That’s why I had a tubal ligation at a fairly young age.
    
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    May 26, 2023 1:14pm
    - Xquenda Choudhury
      
      You are kidding, right?
      
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      May 26, 2023 1:16pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Nope. Me and chastity were always poles apart 😛
        
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        May 26, 2023 1:44pm
- Ghost
  
  I tried to get my gp to let me claim acc for being an accident, he refused, what’s the point of acc then?
  
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  May 26, 2023 1:13pm
Swifty

Marama, please do something about all this white male violence!

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/132143287/tyson-brown-sentenced-to-life-imprisonment-for-murdering-toddler-arapera-fia

You could start by not issuing any visas to any Welsh or Yorkshiremen applying to come here!
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May 26, 2023 12:09pm
Chris Nisbet

Sigh – skool kids marching in the streets again to make idiotic demands about how we should live our lives.
I wonder if they realise that for most of them the global warming trend over the time they’ve been in skool is 0’C.
Has any teacher informed them how much things like wheat yields have increased over the last century, in no small part because of FF?
Have any of them been on a skool trip to South Africa so they can get a wee taste of what they’re demanding?
Have they been asked why they don’t like freedom, which is what they expect us all to give up?
Thinking about it, the idea of paying teachers more to do such a crap job of educating our kids sticks in my craw a bit.
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May 26, 2023 12:12pm
- I remember when
  
  I note the entire front row of the ‘large’ rally on TV One at noon was made up of girls.
  Are girls over represented in our secondary school science classes?
  
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  May 26, 2023 12:47pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Were they all upper middle-class pakeha girls?
    
    But others thought the movement had a bigger problem: it was too white.
    
    There was a growing perception that SS4C was just an extracurricular activity for upper-class Pākehā kids from Epsom Girls and Western Springs.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/124446610/why-the-leaders-of-school-strike-4-climate-had-to-move-on
    
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    May 26, 2023 4:22pm
    - graham
      
      Ah. So these people are actually far more concerned that their protests and movements *look* good – ie they have the right amount of Diversity™ – than they are about making a meaningful impact.
      
      Right-o.
      
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      May 26, 2023 6:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Do the Teachers teach the kids that if they had breakfast, thank a farmer and a truckie.
  
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  May 26, 2023 1:18pm
- septic skeptic
  
  That last sentence – me too Chris. I’m well sick of hearing how overworked these teachers are on the relatively few days they actually attend class. My suggestion is – get us up the international rankings first, then we can talk about more pay!
  
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  May 26, 2023 5:35pm
Maggie Pie

What possible credibility can a so called ‘Senior-Political-Journalist’ have, when asked for the source of his information, responds…. “I read it on the bus”

God spare us all.
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May 26, 2023 12:27pm
rockape

A friend of mine was wondering why he was losing so many of his newly hatched ducks chickens and even swans. Found out the local SPCA is releasing us homed cats into feral colonies and did so near him as they decided their are lots of rats around poultry breeders. There are apparently three or four areas around us where they release. I thought we liked our native birds
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May 26, 2023 12:35pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Set traps.
  Do not catch and release.
  I like cats as individuals, so haven’t got the heart to snuff them out, so only chase them off or hiff a tennis ball at them – and besides I live in suburbia, so they are likely to be someone’s fur babies’ – but out in a rural area, and in a scenario like above “Enter at own risk” for moggies.
  
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  May 26, 2023 3:15pm
I remember when

Minerals West Coast annual forum in Westport.
17 May, 2023.
One of the presentations was by Rob Boyd, technical marketing manager with Bathurst Resources, who presented peer-reviewed research outlining the efficiences and emissions reductions achieved when using West Coast coals in steel manufacturing processes in the Indo-Pacific steel industry.

The agenda didn’t say whether it was a ‘Green Paper.’
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May 26, 2023 12:42pm
graham

Heather du Plessis-Allan had someone from Extinction Rebellion on the program yesterday just after 4 pm. Apparently they are now running some campaign to plaster “emissions-rating” stickers on SUVs.

When Heather raised questions about the legality of this, the lady seemed to be quite blasé about it and unconcerned about any legal ramifications. She seems quite proud of the fact that “we are Extinction Rebellion” and would happily take whatever action they felt was justified.

Unsurprisingly, Heather received quite a few texts and emails suggesting that if individuals were caught defacing somebody’s private property it wouldn’t be the police that would be these clown’s biggest problem …
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May 26, 2023 12:56pm
- kowtow
  
  The “guest” also seemed to make something of the fact that NZers weren’t getting irate and taking the law into their own hands ( as they have in London)and pullled them off the roads and she made that out to be some sort of signal of support .
  
  Keep it up , people’s patience will quickly wear out.
  
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  May 26, 2023 2:21pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  The arrogance of that person, deciding that people didn’t need & shouldn’t own SUVs in urban centres was stunning. Maybe the owners go outside town on weekends, or maybe the stickered vehicle was someone visiting from out of town?
  Such arrogance and rushing to judgement.
  
  The climate change movement is basically a millennial religion, with those trying to ‘save’ others, sure of an upcoming apocalypse unless we repent and change our ways, and viewing those outside the cause as heretics.
  
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  May 26, 2023 3:19pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie from Tennis tweets an interesting question…..
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“If I’d told you 20 years ago, that a 6’4″ man with a penis could be competing in the women’s singles, what would you have said to me?”
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May 26, 2023 1:06pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Say “have you taken your meds?”
  
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  May 26, 2023 1:24pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner replied…. “Only if we’ve got a Labor government”
    
    LOL!!
    
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    May 26, 2023 1:34pm
Don Beckett

Early in the morning on this day – 26th. May – 81 years ago, I caused my mother a great deal of pain – the pangs of childbirth. But – wow – I could not comprehend the overwhelming joy as she held me in her arms as I took my first breath .
Thanks Mum – & Dad – for giving me life, and a good life. It’s been a fun ride (sometimes not quite so ) and more to go. Looks like I should be around for a while yet, given the genes handed on to me by my forebears – most of them into their 90’s, and a couple of them into their 100’s. And I thank God for a great family, wife, children & grand-children. Bring it on. 😆
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May 26, 2023 3:00pm
Maggie Pie

A bestie retweets…. @NZGreens @jamesshaw @member4tijuana

https://twitter.com/Darth79493169/status/1660724173340299264

😀 😀 😀
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May 26, 2023 3:12pm
MCōs

Today I watched a movie on Netflix viz Edge of War set during the 1938 Munich Conference.
At one point a German translator was alone with Hitler with a concealed gun.
He didn’t shoot him much that he wanted to.
What difference would that have made to the circumstances of WWII?
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May 26, 2023 3:31pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  The pressures that caused the war were still very much in play, but the question that should be asked is, how would WW2 have played out if the German Commander in Chief was more Competent than Hitler was?
  
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  May 26, 2023 3:50pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Gt Grandfather-in-law was on duty at the Peter & Paul Fortress when Trotsky was interned there. (c. 1905).
  
  Some of his troops wanted to kill Trotsky, but Gtgdpa-in-law said we don’t have orders to execute him.
  
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  May 26, 2023 4:38pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Before the war there was a clique of Generals who wanted rid of Hitler but didn’t do it.
  
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  May 26, 2023 7:04pm
Ghost

At least they handed themselves in

Two 13-year-olds have handed themselves into police after yesterday’s massive fire in the central Sydney suburb of Surry Hills.

The children separately reported to two different police stations last night.

NSW Police acting assistant commissioner Paul Dunstan asked “three or four” other youngsters who were known to be present when the inferno was sparked to come forward with their parents to “put their side of the story”, NCA Newswire reported.

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May 26, 2023 4:01pm
Ghost

The return of common sense

National does not support bilingual traffic signs in te reo and English, said its transport spokesperson, Simeon Brown.

“Signs need to be clear. We all speak English, and they should be in English. Place names are okay, but when it comes to important signs saying things like ‘Expressway’, they should be in English, as it’s going to be confusing if you add more words,” he said.

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May 26, 2023 5:44pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  The whole things ridiculous!
  
  TBH, not ONE of our Maori friends even knows how to speak Te Reo….let alone read it.
  
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  May 26, 2023 5:59pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Place names are OK. Apparently. I hope that is not the death knell for Auckland, Russell, Hamilton, Christchurch, New Zealand….
  I wish the guys who are supposed to be on our side would come out swinging.
  
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  May 26, 2023 6:36pm
- mandk
  
  Te reo doesn’t really have equivalents for some English words.
  
  I used a translator for the English word Expressway, and it gave me Ararua.
  
  But when I used the same translator to put Ararua into English, it gave me Two Way.
  
  I wonder what the Te Reo for No Engine Braking and Give Way to Pedestrians are.
  
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  May 26, 2023 6:38pm
  - greybeard
    
    Or “double overhead camshaft, flat-plane V12 twin turbo”.
    Or… “wheel”.
    
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    May 26, 2023 7:01pm
    - artemisia
      
      Ara, formerly Christchurch Polytech, offers an automotive engineering course in Maori. Supposed to start this year but if it did start it’s not obvious.
      
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      May 26, 2023 7:16pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Stupid really. There is a hell of a lot going on inside a basic motor. I have been there, I know it. I know things like ring gaps, cam and crank bearing tolerances.
        It really is impossible to teach that in Maori.
        ‘Camshaft’ in Maori is ‘camshaft’ Bloody ridiculous.
        
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        May 27, 2023 9:16am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Wait until they want all contracts in NZ to be in Te Reo and English.
    
    Love to see them translate the Lloyds insurance policy into Te Reo and the Lloyds Open Form Salvage Agreement!!!
    
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    May 26, 2023 7:03pm
    - rouppe
      
      And then which one applies when there is a claim 🤔
      
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      May 26, 2023 7:34pm
Maggie Pie

Watching 1Ewes during dinner…..it was the item about that waka-jumping MP who dresses like a demented Parakeet.
What amazed us, was when the reporter asked some of the females in the rally who they would vote for, all those that responded…. ‘The Greens’, were the most unkempt unwashed looking individuals you could ever meet.

Makes you wonder what sort of upbringing they had?
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