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Maggie Pie

CULTURAL APPROPRIATION?

https://twitter.com/stumpy2121/status/1660945449258467328
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May 24, 2023 8:06am
- plc
  
  Pete Hodgson vibes
  
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  May 24, 2023 8:15am
- ClanMcleod
  
  They can keep that bit…..
  
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  May 24, 2023 8:17am
- sirknz
  
  They have the rhythm of their colonial oppressors.
  
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  May 24, 2023 8:27am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    😀
    
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    May 24, 2023 9:08am
- Jethrod
  
  They need poi
  
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  May 24, 2023 10:14am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    What kind of pie?
    
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    May 24, 2023 1:49pm
- Bill Felt
  
  No Nanaia Mahuta? I wonder if she will step down in Oct due to ill health?
  
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  May 24, 2023 10:49am
Maggy Wassilieff

An academic who gets it

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/violence-perpetrators-are-basically-con-artists

In our boundless optimism and hope for rehabilitation, it is crucially important we don’t bury our heads in the sand

(I wonder how long she’ll remain in the hallowed halls)
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May 24, 2023 8:08am
- Simon
  
  Prisons are a moral and fiscal failure. Bill English.
  
  No the National party is wrong on prisons. Prisons allow lawful members of society to live a normal lives free from scum. Why should lawful people see a decline in their living standards forced to in effect subsidize the lives of criminal anti-society scum.
  
  Why is govt on the side of anti-society scum?
  
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  May 24, 2023 8:23am
  - kowtow
    
    But what was the full context of the quote.
    
    Philosophically he’s right. But did he ever say close them and let loose the crims on us ?
    
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    May 24, 2023 9:02am
    - Mike
      
      He was referring to the billions spent on new and expanded prisons since the late-90s. It was an example of the ‘social investment’ idea, which predictably went nowhere.
      
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      May 24, 2023 10:34am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Andrew Little’s stint as justice minister started NZ’s crime wave.
        
        Andrew Little remarked (as he was about to unleash thousands of criminals onto our society, and reduce the sentences of thousands of future criminals) “you can’t arrest your way out of crime.” Unfortunately our despicable NZ media didn’t ask him if he had a better method to reduce crime.
        
        Just wait until the non attending Maori school kids want to start earning money. The gangs will be their only option.
        
        Makes you wonder if Labour MPs are profiting from supporting the gangs and how much of the uncontrolled $2.75m given to gangs to rehab their members from the very drugs they peddle, found its way back into Labour MPs pockets?
        
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        May 24, 2023 1:44pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He is just another Luxon hater like red baiter, they spout the same rubbish and may well be the same person
      
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      May 24, 2023 1:30pm
      - mawm
        
        Having interacted with Redbaiter for many years I understand why he posts what he posts. The current National party has veered so far from its founding principles that it has become a principle-less abomination that decides what it believes in by what the latest polls show. There are many bloggers who have traditionally voted Nat but now have to either hold their nose or find someone else who is closer to representing their values, and one of them is the freedom of expression. Your attacks on voters who are caught in this quandary helps them move away from the Party. I know, it did it for me. I expect another “if you don’t agree with me I’ll abuse you” response from you. Cheers.
        
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        May 24, 2023 5:37pm
  - I remember when
    
    Surely not giving them $10 a fortnight, of our regular contribution to their finances, is going to teach them not to do it again.
    Or again, and again, and again.
    
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    May 24, 2023 9:17am
  - Jack5
    
    Prisons a moral failure?
    
    The statement has far too many assumptions and raises too many questions.
    
    What is a better form of punishment? If imprisonment doesn’t work why do some convicts become law-abiding citizens? What of prison’s protective role in isolating the irredeemably dangerous?
    
    If not prison, then what? Slavery? Lobotomy? Years of compulsory lectures on climate change?
    
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    May 24, 2023 10:59am
    - Grumpy Silver Haired Female
      
      The quotation is taken out of context. Philosophically he is correct, but as law-abiding members of society we expect/need to be protected from those who commit crimes against us. The effectiveness of incarceration in rehabilitating criminals has never been claimed. Additional strategies have shown to have mixed success.
      
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      May 24, 2023 12:16pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      But Simon doesn’t care about that, he is one of those Nat haters and can never be taken seriously.
      
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      May 24, 2023 1:31pm
      - mawm
        
        Debate his point rather than attacking him. Your continual abuse of other posters for expressing their opinion when it doesn’t agree with yours is tiresome.
        
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        May 24, 2023 5:50pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Simon: “Prisons allow lawful members of society to live a normal lives free from scum. ”
    
    Yes that is one of their functions.
    
    However, they are to a large extent crim run environments where injustice is allowed by you and me to be metted out by scum. So for example you go to prison for say being caught red handed collecting too many magic mushrooms (in fact just for yourself). You then fail to follow orders of some deranged ape in there and end up maimed or dead. All good? Justice done?
    
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    May 24, 2023 11:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Pulling out pubic hairs to create tears?
  Well that’s the stupidest thing I will hear today!
  Strange that I read about something similar to this a few weeks ago.
  
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  May 24, 2023 8:28am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    OMG! Even hot-waxing brings tears to my eyes.
    
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    May 24, 2023 8:33am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Don’t make it so hot.
      
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      May 24, 2023 8:36am
    - Inandout
      
      Maggie, you wax lyrical.
      
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      May 24, 2023 9:22am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Wouldn’t say I was all that enthusiastic about it 😀
        
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        May 24, 2023 9:37am
    - Xquenda Choudhury
      
      I suggest you try lasering.
      
      https://www.thecosmeticclinic.co.nz/locations/#auckland
      
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      May 24, 2023 10:20am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Lasering is like having a thick red hot rubber band fully stretched then snapped back onto your skin. Or a bit like having a match lit under your skin for a split second. Definitely makes most people flinch.
        
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        May 24, 2023 1:52pm
    - mogg
      
      Time to go bush.
      
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      May 24, 2023 11:11am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        But not national-park style bush!
        
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        May 24, 2023 4:08pm
Yvette

National says AI is an innovative way to drive its social media and would be used responsibly.
Labour’s view is it won’t use AI because it wants to run “an honest and upfront campaign”.
And therein lies National’s potential political problem with this.

Labour is aware that Luxon has a trust problem as shown in our Newshub-Reid Research poll and we’ve already seen them trying to make hay with the “can’t trust National” line.

National using fake imagery doesn’t exactly conjure thoughts of honesty and trust, feeding directly into Labours lines
– Jenna Lynch Analysis
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/05/national-uses-realistic-looking-ai-generated-health-workers-scared-woman-to-front-attack-ads.html

Like the Ford Mustang Mach E “The Electric Horse Is Here” television ad [1] with quotes spoken by what seems to be a dead-ringer for Alan Watts who died roughly half a century ago.

Who the Hell is running National’s campaign for them? – Megan Woods?

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[1] Ford ad –https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_vEZJMd_5s
Alan Watts – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kqhf7EW1pzM
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May 24, 2023 8:09am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I bet anything that some pics in Labours glossy brochures are the same, who the helm foes Lynch think she is ffs, utterly disgusting, she even ran away to find out if it was legal and it was, FFS they are transposing photos for a meme, these bastards in the media are extremely worried if this weak gutless hitjob was required.
  
  I have never heard anyone say they don’t trust Luxon, but I have heard many say they don’t trust the liar Hipkins
  
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  May 24, 2023 9:06am
  - Mike
    
    It’ll be ‘pretty legal’.
    
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    May 24, 2023 10:36am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      No, it is legal you fool, the [Mod – deleted]Lynch tried as part of the hit job to see if this was illegal, she stated it is legal. seen a pic on Labour FB page today, its about them supporting bus drivers, it has a beautifully groomed woman bus driver, if that is not AI generated then i will eat my hate again
      
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      May 24, 2023 1:34pm
- I remember when
  
  Is there really any way of not “feeding directly into Labour lines” if the media push that line.
  Would they rather have an actor because that is so much more honest and realistic.
  The real danger is that National are made to doubt their election campaign tactics, which is the real aim of the criticism.
  National’s targets have to be the affects of over spending, ability to achieve goals, health, education, crime, maori co-governance.
  
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  May 24, 2023 9:31am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Its utter bullshit
    
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    May 24, 2023 1:34pm
- Hard Cheese
  
  This is nonsense. All parties and government departments will be using stock photos all over the place – they’re not going out and individually photographing people affected each time they publish a document. Remember the front cover of Grant Robertson’s 2019 Wellbeing Budget?
  
  The woman on the cover of the Government’s Wellbeing Budget says she had to give up New Zealand because she couldn’t afford to live here – and moved to Australia.
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  Robertson’s office said the image on the Budget cover was a stock photograph purchased by the Treasury.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/budget-2019-the-face-of-todays-budget-has-given-up-on-new-zealand-and-moved-to-australia/OT2U6WYI4YSDMRIFF2BRH7VXUU/
  
  Maybe you could ask Jenna why using stock photos of random people is more trustworthy than using AI?
  
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  May 24, 2023 10:33am
  - Paulus
    
    Jenna Lynch has had from the time she got her current job been an anti Luxon on anything and everything.
    Not really surprising that she is getting worse, and has no concept of balanced reporting.
    Look at her body language and speech throughout her interviews – what does that tell you – ?
    Like many of the others currently promoted above her competence in the so called media.
    Watch out, there are other Irish, out of work, who covet her job eh Tova !
    eh
    
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    May 24, 2023 1:21pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Its exactly the same bloody thing
    
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    May 24, 2023 1:35pm
- Ghost
  
  It’s honest, it’s upfront and it’s dealing either issues nz is facing, labour and the media cannot attack the message so have to attack that national are us ai
  
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  May 24, 2023 10:45am
- NZer In Exile
  
  “Labour’s view is it won’t use AI because it wants to run “an honest and upfront campaign”. ”
  
  Hahahaha. Honest and upfront no less! Yeah right.
  
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  May 24, 2023 11:58am
  - riffer
    
    Smart politics from Hipkins.
    
    In combination with the media “scandal” about the use of AI, the takeaway from the average person is that National aren’t telling the truth. Whether that is true or not is immaterial. It’s all about perception.
    
    And on that alone, National has taken a backward step here.
    
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    May 24, 2023 12:44pm
    - Ghost
      
      Nothing wrong with using ai, many will embrace that it has been used. Labour having won anything by moaning about it, you just perceive they have.
      
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      May 24, 2023 1:05pm
      - Paulus
        
        Hasn’t AI been around for many years but has become relabelled !
        Called for one, Google.
        
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        May 24, 2023 1:23pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “Nothing wrong with using ai” they said.
        
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        May 24, 2023 1:53pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Their bus driver in their meme today looks false to me, i bet this was AI generated, and the dummies wont even know
    
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    May 24, 2023 1:36pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  I asked Chat GPT to write a Labour Policy announcement that increases taxes.
  
  This is what it gave me…
  
  Labour Party Announcement: Building a Stronger Future through Fair Taxation
  
  Dear citizens,
  
  We are thrilled to announce the launch of Labour’s Tax policy, dedicated to creating a stronger, fairer, and more prosperous future for all. As we embark on this journey, we recognize the need for responsible and sustainable fiscal policies that address the challenges of our time. In pursuit of this goal, we propose a comprehensive tax reform plan that includes necessary increases in certain areas.
  
  Our society faces pressing issues, such as crumbling infrastructure, limited access to quality education, healthcare disparities, and climate change. To address these challenges head-on, we firmly believe in the principle of shared responsibility, where those who have more contribute more for the betterment of our society as a whole.
  
  To that end, Labour advocates for raising taxes as part of a broader strategy to fund critical public investments. We firmly believe that these investments will yield significant returns for the well-being and prosperity of every individual in our nation. Here’s how we plan to achieve this vision:
  
  Progressive Income Tax: We propose a more progressive income tax structure, where the burden is distributed fairly based on one’s ability to pay. By asking the wealthiest individuals and corporations to contribute a larger share of their income, we can create a more equitable society and provide the necessary resources to uplift the most vulnerable among us.
  
  Closing Tax Loopholes: Labour is committed to closing tax loopholes that have allowed certain individuals and corporations to avoid their fair share of taxes. By ensuring everyone pays their due, we can generate additional revenue to invest in essential public services, infrastructure, and social programs.
  
  Environmental Taxation: Recognizing the urgency of addressing climate change, we propose implementing a fair and sustainable environmental taxation policy. This approach will incentivize environmentally friendly practices while generating funds to invest in renewable energy, clean technologies, and sustainable infrastructure.
  
  Corporate Tax Reform: We advocate for a comprehensive review of corporate tax policies, with a focus on ensuring that multinational corporations contribute their fair share to the communities they operate in. By closing corporate tax loopholes and implementing a more equitable corporate tax structure, we can ensure that businesses contribute meaningfully to society while fostering a level playing field for all enterprises.
  
  It is important to emphasize that the increased tax revenues generated by these measures will be utilized responsibly and transparently. We commit to investing these funds efficiently and effectively in critical areas such as education, healthcare, infrastructure, scientific research, job creation, and social welfare programs, all of which will drive economic growth and enhance the well-being of our citizens.
  
  We understand that raising taxes is a complex and sensitive issue. However, we firmly believe that a shared commitment to building a fairer society and tackling the pressing challenges of our time requires bold action. We invite you to join us on this transformative journey, as we work together to create a future where everyone has an equal opportunity to succeed.
  
  Together, let us embrace a vision of progress and solidarity, where fair taxation becomes the cornerstone of our collective prosperity.
  
  Sincerely,
  
  ————————————–
  
  I don’t know about you, but that sounds very familiar!!!!
  
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  May 24, 2023 1:30pm
- Jimbo666
  
  I seem to recall election posters of our 2nd female Prime Minister and they seemed to be heavily enhanced? It was called airbrushing back then!
  
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  May 24, 2023 2:06pm
- Dougal10
  
  Almost every pic of cindy in media releases during her reign was airbrushed , is this not just a form of AI as it would have been done by a computer.
  
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  May 24, 2023 3:50pm
- JJ56
  
  Jenna Lynch is a jealous AI Chat Bot
  
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  May 24, 2023 5:08pm
ClanMcleod

I’ve mentioned a few times that the pivot to the ‘climate change’ narrative was always the next move after covid.
Some more evidence that this is indeed the case and isn’t a ‘conspiracy theory’.

Eugyppius is a blogger I follow and respect. This is their latest.

German government report names the pandemic as a precedent for environmental policy, says lockdowns show that behavioural restrictions are possible & can win majority support with the right messaging

So, what was learned during covid will be applied to manipulate the population to conform with ‘climate’ policies.

The author surmises:

All of this speaks for itself, and I don’t have much to add, except to observe that the only way for restrictions to be “communicated” such that “the majority support them,” is by renewed forays into state media-fuelled mass panic and hysteria. Corona has taught our rulers that a great deal more is possible than they ever imagined, and they will spend the coming years exploring the limits.

We are not governed, we are experimented on like lab rats.

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/german-government-report-names-the
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May 24, 2023 8:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Don’t know how we can be locked down for not complying with Govt climate change restrictions. Always said the whole Covid thing was a social experiment Worldwide. Just amazing how so many Countries jumped on the bandwagon, as if they had been prre-programmed.
  
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  May 24, 2023 8:35am
  - Xquenda Choudhury
    
    The lockdowns will be the “climate change restrictions”. These could take various forms. Individuals could have carbon budgets that limit movements from home, or access to transport, particularly air travel.
    
    You won’t be locked in your home. However you won’t be able to drive your SUV without severe limitations. Let’s face it. The Green Party would support such measures today. So it is not fanciful to expect them in the next 5 to 10 years.
    
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    May 24, 2023 8:52am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Isn’t socialism just wonderful?
      
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      May 24, 2023 11:38am
    - mawm
      
      Xquenda – it’ll be much sooner than that. The new WHO pandemic plans will give them so much power by just declaring a “pandemic” of their own definition, and climate change is something in their sights. It’s a pity we do not have one political party standing up for individual and national sovereignty. The National Party of old would have, now they are the Green’s bisch.
      
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      May 24, 2023 6:01pm
  - H. Upmann
    
    Oh come on Steve, you miss the point.
    
    By this time next year your ICE vehicle will be allowed on the road only on days starting with T or something similar. They will ramp this up in the blink of an eye.
    
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    May 24, 2023 8:55am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I remember those carless days. My brother and I worked at the same place, so we were doing carless days before it was invented.
      
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      May 24, 2023 11:40am
    - alwyn.a
      
      Starting with “T”? You mean that you think they will allow you to drive on 2 days each week?
      You have got to be joking. With Genter as Transport Minister you will only be allowed out on days that begin with an “A” or a “B”.
      
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      May 24, 2023 12:02pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Stickers on the windscreen I think.
        
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        May 24, 2023 2:19pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        She can be Bike Transport Minister – nothing more.
        
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        May 24, 2023 4:48pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Steve – look up ’15 minute cities’. Oxford in England is a good example.
    People will be ‘zoned’. You will be restricted as to the number of times you can leave your ‘zone’ in your vehicle. If you exceed the number of ‘permitted trips’ you will be punished.
    Bollards are already being put up to physically prevent people moving freely. Number plate reading cameras are in place to monitor your movement.
    
    At issue (in Oxford) was the proposed introduction of six new traffic filters intended to limit car use through residential parts of the city at peak hours. Monitored by automatic license plate readers, these filters would fine drivers from outside the county of Oxfordshire who entered central areas during high-traffic periods. Oxford residents will be allowed fine-free peak-hour access for 100 days per year, with residents of the wider county able to apply for a 25-day fine-free access permit.
    
    Sounds suspiciously like ‘3 weeks to flatten the curve’ climate change lockdowns to me. Maybe I’m paranoid and overly sensitive after 3 years of tyrannical rule and civil rights abuses over covid?
    
    Of course, these powers to monitor movement and fine you for breaking the rules would never be increased….//
    
    Notice the tone of the article. Opponents are ‘conspiracy theorists’ and of course it is triggered by the ‘far right’. Notice a pattern emerging?
    
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-02/how-did-the-15-minute-city-get-tangled-up-in-a-far-right-conspiracy
    
    The same language, propaganda and mass media messaging is being used for climate as was used for covid. But remember, don’t allow yourself to be gaslit. Don’t get sucked into the argument about whether or not 15 minute cities are ‘good’ or ‘bad’.
    If you do that you’re already fucked, because it means you’ve accepted the premise of the fact a discussion is needed because to do that, it means you’ve accepted that man made climate change is indisputable and to oppose it you are denying ‘The Science”™
    
    Recognising any patterns here?
    
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    May 24, 2023 9:09am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      This is all inevitable if we allow it to be so. The trick is to make us believe that there is nothing we can do about it and resistance is futile/ antisocial. “The future is unwritten” Lawrence of Arabia.
      
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      May 24, 2023 11:19am
    - Toes on the nose
      
      These retards will do it…it makes sense…after all the Scottish water model gave us 5 Waters tribal confiscation.
      
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      May 24, 2023 6:37pm
- kowtow
  
  They learned to do it with so called drink driving laws , that was then extended to seat belt laws .
  Then climate hoax came along , interupted by batflu , now back to the climate hoax.
  
  And there’s any number of other “goods” in between . Tobacco bans and abortion liberalisation.
  
  The pretense of “same sex” marriage and now gender insanity.
  
  Meanwhile in the real world we deindustrialised to China , the borders and prisons are wide open , no one can afford a home but if you want to stay on a couch and smoke dope all day that’s ok , it’s on the tax payer.
  
  Welcome to dystopia.
  
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  May 24, 2023 8:38am
  - Keith White
    
    But where’s my soma?
    
    /sarc
    
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    May 24, 2023 11:08am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Rebranded as Prozac I believe….😁
      
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      May 24, 2023 7:22pm
- I remember when
  
  The argument against lockdowns must be on the evidence produced by the covid lockdowns.
  Increases in illness resulting from reduced immunity levels, rising crime, increased anti government behaviour and mental health problems.
  
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  May 24, 2023 10:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Also look at who is enforcing them.
    She showed her true colours and headed for the hills!
    World media loved her, but they changed – why?
    
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    May 24, 2023 11:59am
    - Paulus
      
      Currently she is in Geneva lecturing to the WHO !
      
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      May 24, 2023 1:25pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Did we pay for that? I guess yes.
        
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        May 24, 2023 2:20pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Helen Clark 2.0
        
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        May 24, 2023 4:49pm
  - mawm
    
    IRW – inconvenient evidence will be ignored!
    
    Some interesting data at https://dksdata.com/COVID19 . The graph of “Cumulative Excess Deaths” for the UK confirms your belief.
    
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    May 24, 2023 6:11pm
- Bridgenag
  
  yes and look at this post
  
  AP news is not news, it’s paid for marketing
  pay the piper, call the tune. see how AP sings for it’s supper.
  
  https://open.substack.com/pub/boriquagato/p/ap-news-is-not-news-its-paid-for?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
  
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  May 24, 2023 1:35pm
Simon

Remember comrades you cant have an affordable society and big govt. Watch the vulnerable fall to the wayside already. NZ the food parcel capital of the Western world.

Next comes the NetZero madness as it impacts the middle class. With all these increasing problems govt looks to blame the supermarkets or the banks. Or greedy land lords. Next comes bigger taxes and more regulation. The whole grinding stupidity is played out.
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May 24, 2023 8:15am
- I remember when
  
  The easiest way to increase the number of food parcels is to make the users become dependent on them.
  The you ask the providors, many of whom are dependent donations and government contracts, on the degree to which the need is growing.
  Add to that, the seemingly ever increasing number of providors who are jostling for their space and it is difficult to know the true position.
  As charities report annually, on their activity to maintain their status as a charity, the figures should be reportable.
  
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  May 24, 2023 11:00am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  2016 to 2020 America had affordable society and big govt. How come?
  
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  May 24, 2023 12:01pm
  - mawm
    
    But they had to endure “mean tweets”. //s
    
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    May 24, 2023 6:15pm
- Ghost
  
  Ever been to usa? I don’t think we are even close to producing the amount of meals a year that food banks there do a week.
  
  Things might be a bit tight here right now but still far worse overseas
  
  The la food bank feed 800,000 people a month
  
  https://www.lafoodbank.org/
  
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  May 24, 2023 6:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Boys are Boys, Girls are Girls.
Mister Rogers was way ahead of his time.
Tweet from Dr Jebra Faushay. (yep, she is mad)

https://gopnewsfeed.com/videos-resurface-he-predicted-this-years-ago-2/
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May 24, 2023 8:16am
- Xquenda Choudhury
  
  A student was kicked out of school in the USA for wearing a shirt proclaiming there are two genders.
  
  https://www.foxnews.com/media/school-faces-lawsuit-making-student-remove-two-genders-shirt-censoring-7th-grader
  
  The parents are suing. They will almost certainly be successful because of the Constitutional protection of free speech.
  
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  May 24, 2023 9:03am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I hope the school is fined millions, to the point they have to shut down. We are in a hybrid war, this isn’t just a ‘fringe group’ or a fad that will go away soon.
    This is an attack on a way of life we’ve all been part of for the last century and there are ideologues who hate it and want to utterly destroy it.
    They will do this by hijacking institutions, particularly education and government bureaucracy, as they have already done. But don’t kid yourself they won’t step this up to the next stage of full on fascism. The people of Germany and the world made that mistake with Hitler.
    
    I don’t use the analogy lightly. the ‘social justice’ warriors would turn Nazi without blinking. We saw a tiny example with the mob chasing Posie Parker. That was nothing.
    
    I truly wish to be looking back in 5 years and apologising for over egging the situation. We’ll see.
    
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    May 24, 2023 9:38am
    - mawm
      
      We saw it with the condemnation of anybody refusing a vaccine. What is notable are the numbers of those who will do what they are told by a person in “authority” even if it is to cause harm to others match up with those who complied in Milgram’s experiment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
      
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      May 24, 2023 6:22pm
Paulus

Prebble’s article this morning is very interesting namely the sudden influx of 165,000 immigrants to New Zealand and the impact upon the country.
As a comparison with Australia they are expecting 400,000 immigrants this year and I am advised for retired Senior Immigration cousin in Canberra that they expect the large majority will be from the “Indian Sub-Continent”, as he puts it.
The current growth is incredible he postulates.
In the recent PM speech in Australia he is aiming to increase the population from currently 26 million to 28 million in a very short few years.
If the attention given to Indian PM Mohdi, who is visiting curently, many Indians are already there – they expression was it was like a giant pop concert aduation on his arrival in Sydney.
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May 24, 2023 8:17am
- Jethrod
  
  Well there is another 165000 votes for Liebor!
  
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  May 24, 2023 10:19am
  - Paulus
    
    And 400,000 for Australian Labor this year.
    
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    May 24, 2023 1:26pm
  - mawm
    
    I’m not so sure about that. They tend to be hard-working people with a desire to do well financially.
    
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    May 24, 2023 6:25pm
- Mike
  
  Richard Prebble was an influential politician for much of the 35 years or so since labour and national reached a consensus position that NZ’s population should be increased by means of the largest planned immigration programme in the world.
  The benefit of this policy was an increase in GDP overall. The cost was a steady decrease in GDP per capita and overstretched infrastructure. At the same time, we have continued to export skilled workers to richer countries, while the average skill level of immigrants here has remained lower that the overall average NZ skill level.
  
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  May 24, 2023 10:47am
  - stiff cheese
    
    We’ve also lowered the bar for the quality of immigrants we accept.
    
    As reported by the Productivity Commission led by Dr. Ganesh Nana:
    
    “. . . in the decade before the 2020 pandemic [ therefore under Key’s National Govt and continued by Labour], there was a shift towards migrants with medium- and lower-skill levels [judged by ANZSCO standards] . . .”
    
    Visas for the lower skill-level (5) went from 2000 per year to 10,000. While visas for highest skilled migrants (level 1) stayed about the same (7000 per annum) throughout.
    
    Visas for lower-medium skilled (level 3 and 4 combined) migrants nearly TRIPLED — from 8000 per year to 23,000.
    
    See Figure 2.7:
    
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    May 24, 2023 1:29pm
    - stiff cheese
      
      I hope this link works
      
      Otherwise try an internet search for: productivity commission immigration fit future.
      
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      May 24, 2023 2:10pm
    - Stellaboxer
      
      I can confirm this. In 1994 my wife and two children both under two years old and having both a phd and a job offer scrapped in under the then point’s system. Under the Key government people we came to know were gaining permanent residence by simply coming here for school and getting a degree.
      
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      May 24, 2023 2:59pm
  - Mike
    
    The bar has always been low, and gets lowered further every time farmers, orchardists or restaurateurs complain about their wage costs.
    
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    May 24, 2023 4:07pm
cas

It was interesting to contrast the approach by respondents in 2 interviews I listened to this morning.

Ginny Anderson was all round the block talking to Mike Hosking trying to justify why things were OK when crime is out of control, offenders don’t get charged much and police resourcing is stretched and inadequate.

Then the other half was sadly listening to Morning Report and the guy from the Miami Zoo came straight on with a vigorous mea culpa about their treatment of the kiwi. No ifs and buts. No defence whatsoever of what they had done even when Guyon tried to give him an out by saying it could have been lack of knowledge. Just an acceptance they had stuffed up and an abject apology. It was quite refreshing.
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May 24, 2023 8:19am
- ClanMcleod
  
  That kiwi story making headlines in NZ epitomises the depths of insanity that the media in this country have reached.
  I love the little critters, but seriously, this was worth nothing more than a paragraph on the back page of the Northern Advocate, just under the sudoku.
  
  Time to sever all diplomatic ties with America….//
  
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  May 24, 2023 9:20am
  - Jack5
    
    What’s wrong with zoos overseas giving kids up-close acquaintance with kiwis? The birds may like the attention.
    
    What if African countries emulate precious New Zealand and demand Western zoos give some privacy to chimps, lions, and giraffes?
    
    More dislikeable is the sale of keas as pets in Japan:
    
    https://www.pressreader.com/new-zealand/the-southland-times/20200709/281646782429560
    
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    May 24, 2023 11:18am
- Swifty
  
  Kiwi have only become a taonga species since Whitey came along and introduced a whole new way of living and which included international trade and commerce, in foodstuffs in particular.
  
  Modern Maori can claim they historically lived in harmony with nature and had conservation at the heart of all they did – but the facts reveal this to be a load of revisionist horseshit.
  
  Kiwi weren’t a taonga for centuries, they were KFC and were lucky not to go the way of the MPs and many other species.
  
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  May 24, 2023 11:09am
  - Swifty
    
    *way of the moa….
    
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    May 24, 2023 11:34am
  - Jack5
    
    Imagine, Swifty, if Maori hadn’t eaten all the moa, and some zoo in Florida was giving kids piggy-back rides on the birds… 🙃
    
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    May 24, 2023 11:59am
  - Paulus
    
    It has been said that the Kiwi is not an indigenous bird but came in another form and genus from originally Australia.
    
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    May 24, 2023 1:29pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Alan Cooper has revised his earlier view that kiwi ancestors flew over from Oz…
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ourchangingworld/audio/2598267/kiwi-evolutionary-history
      
      Looks like the closest relative to Kiwi are the extinct Elephant Birds from Madagascar
      
      https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1251981
      
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      May 24, 2023 2:14pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        and here…
        a clearer explanation
        
        https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/tiny-kiwi-and-giant-elephant-bird-are-close-cousins/
        
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        May 24, 2023 2:19pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Ron DeSantis is onto it. Thing is, how many other Governors will follow?
This will sort out the crazies from the non-crazies.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/this-is-how-ron-desantis-is-making-it-illegal-to-be-transgendered/ss-AA1byLlP
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May 24, 2023 8:19am
- sirknz
  
  I see that the NAACP has also issued a travel advisory for African Americans stating that they should stay away from Florida.
  
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  May 24, 2023 8:29am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is clearly giving DeSantis a kick in the guts. He is above that shit.
    
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    May 24, 2023 12:28pm
- Mike
  
  How is his war on Disney going? Even Trump has been mocking Ron Meatball about it.
  
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  May 24, 2023 8:35am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    His war on woke insanity is going very well. People are flocking to live in Florida as a result.
    
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    May 24, 2023 4:13pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  Steve it’s the Democrats machine stoking up to paint Desantis as a nazi . They really don’t want to face him in the election they want Trump to run as they hope they would have a chance against him due to all the previous ground work. Against Desantis they haven’t got a hope in hell so let the smearing and propaganda begin.
  
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  May 24, 2023 8:43am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeah I know, just a lick in the guts. DeSantis is above that shit.
    
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    May 24, 2023 12:29pm
Bloody Dago

What a horrendous car crash on ZB with Gini Anderson this morning…all junk words and fluffy word salad. Words failure them and now every suffering New Zealand citizens is in the firing line.
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May 24, 2023 8:21am
- Xquenda Choudhury
  
  Yes she is totally out of her depth. Unfortunately she had a leader who both permitted and demonstrated the use of word salad.
  
  Imagine John Key tuning in and listening to one of his Ministers put on that performance. She would not be long for this world 😂.
  
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  May 24, 2023 8:56am
  - Paulus
    
    They are both from the Hutt – so !
    
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    May 24, 2023 1:30pm
- kowtow
  
  The gun register will make us all safe .
  
  Yes , I love Big Brother .
  
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  May 24, 2023 9:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Won’t make us safe from the gangs.
    Why don’t the dickheads get that?
    
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    May 24, 2023 12:32pm
    - mawm
      
      Why not? Surely all the gang members are going to register their guns. //s
      
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      May 24, 2023 6:32pm
      - Ghost
        
        Some of their guns are already registered, just to the people they stole them from……
        
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        May 24, 2023 6:36pm
- M.Solvent
  
  It was fascinating to listen to that interview in which Andersen finally admitted that there is a problem with increasing crime, reversing her previous denial, and then to listen to the next ZB news on the hour. Rather than reporting on the problem and the reversal, they gave Andersen a positive sound bite implying that the government’s trial of police tactical units is helping. The NZME editorial team knows its paymaster.
  
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  May 24, 2023 9:12am
  - Jack5
    
    Don’t see so much these days of the national police chief. In Ardern’s day, he was on TV frequently.
    
    There’s no secret how this crime wave happened. Labour pushed people out of prisons into motels accompanied by zealots preaching “prison doesn’t work”.
    
    At the same time, and while kids steal cars and go ram raiding up and down the country, we have had calls for the age of criminal responsibility to be raised:
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/10/time-for-age-of-criminal-responsibility-to-be-raised-more-by-m-ori-for-m-ori-initiatives-children-s-commissioner-andrew-becroft-says.html
    
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    May 24, 2023 11:36am
    - stiff cheese
      
      Yes it is no secret. Under Labour the prison population has shrunk by 4000.
      
      All the fault of this Govt — either pushing the Judiciary to go ‘soft’ on sentencing; or Parole Boards to go ‘soft’ on early release.
      
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      May 24, 2023 1:41pm
- Swifty
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/ginny-andersen-police-minister-concedes-the-increase-in-crime-isnt-just-down-to-more-reporting-of-crime/
  
  I have no confidence whatsoever that the current Police Minister will make any meaningful impact on crime levels.
  
  None.
  
  And her statement about ‘poverty causes crime’ is a disgraceful slur on the multitudes of New Zealanders who are doing it tough but wouldn’t dream of beating or robbing their fellow community members.
  
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  May 24, 2023 9:35am
  - Ghost
    
    Police can’t, part of to come from justice. Until justice stop giving wet bus tickets crime will be out of control. While kids know there is no punishment why should they stop commiting crimes?
    
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    May 24, 2023 9:39am
Maggie Pie

The Horrid reports Mayor Wayne to cut more than 500 jobs at Auckland Council.
If each of those drones were averaging a salary of say $100k…..he’s just saved the city $50mil every year!

Just shows the sort of job that idiot Goff did for Ratepayers 🙁
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May 24, 2023 8:24am
- Cinematic
  
  It’s a good start but lots more fat there to be trimmed. Go Wayne.
  
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  May 24, 2023 8:30am
- Mike
  
  AFAIK, the biggest driver of local government job creation in NZ history was the crazy decision to create a ‘super’ city.
  
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  May 24, 2023 8:36am
  - bjools
    
    More like the propensity of Aucklander’s to elect ex Labour MP’s and sundry other lefties.
    
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    May 24, 2023 9:11am
  - kisekiman
    
    What say you Rodney Hide?
    
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    May 24, 2023 9:50am
  - Matt Long
    
    You’ll know the answer to this Mike, what was the comparitive staff growth rate across the Greater Wellington Council area compared with Auckland?
    And yes Auckland was handed a structure and decided to elect socialist clowns to run it so of course it went off the rails.
    Look what New Zealand’ s first one party socialist government has been able to achieve in three years and half of voters want more of it.
    
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    May 24, 2023 10:18am
    - Swifty
      
      By Mike’s logic, we could devolve the super city back into 10, 20 small councils, with anll the duplication that would bring, and somehow that would mean we need LESS staff.
      
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      May 24, 2023 10:55am
  - Swifty
    
    Mike talks nonsense again.
    
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    May 24, 2023 10:18am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Mike talks nonsense ~~again~~.
      
      Fixed.
      
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      May 24, 2023 11:02am
    - Mike
      
      Poor Swifty needs to sharpen up. It’s fairly well known that restructuring of local or central government organizations seldom saves any money, and usually costs much more than the status quo. The irony is that reversing restructures is even worse.
      
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      May 24, 2023 12:51pm
      - Burtland
        
        so centralising/restruturing Auckland is bad
        but good for Health and Polytechs
        
        makes sense
        
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        May 24, 2023 1:55pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Surely a professional Labour spin doctor can come up with an argument that has at least a modicum of truth.
        
        Adern, Hipkins, Robertson and their colleagues have increased size of the public sector whilst decreasing service levels and outcomes.
        
        It stands to reason that reducing the public sector whilst improving outcomes is possible.
        
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        May 24, 2023 2:12pm
      - Swifty
        
        “Seldom saves money…”
        
        Guaranteed not to save money when lefty Mayors and councillors squander the opportunity Rodney Hide handed to them on a plate.
        
        If Wayne Brown et al took over the Supercity in 2010, based on his recent behaviours and actions, I am convinced we would have seen a different and better result.
        
        Savings, efficiencies and benefits need to be actively pursued and hunted down. They never just fall into your lap.
        
        Pants Down and Goff didn’t do that and here we are.
        
        Simple.
        
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        May 24, 2023 2:58pm
      - Mike
        
        According to Swifty, structure matters, but only if those pesky voters pick the right politicians to temporarily preside over things.
        It’s the age old complaint of the party hack – it was just about to get better when the other lot got in and ruined everything.
        It’s basic – run good candidates with meaningful messages. Does anyone really think good ol’ Banksie would have done a good job as super city mayor, or even been able to motivate a team of candidates to support him? He was beaten hollow by Len Brown – think about that – Len Brown ffs.
        
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        May 24, 2023 4:13pm
      - Swifty
        
        According to Mike, who you have in leadership roles doesn’t count towards organisational outcomes.
        
        Incoherent.
        
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        May 24, 2023 5:46pm
  - Southtop2
    
    The biggest driver of local govt job creation was the 2002 Local Government Act – thanks Helen. The changes enabled council management to justify additional staff and build empires i.e. the more staff the higher the senior managers salaries
    
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    May 24, 2023 10:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Super City Mayor – Len Brown.
    That was the start of the rot. I like the Super City, but is is ruined by boofhead Mayors.
    
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    May 24, 2023 12:50pm
oldpark

Heard a clown from one of NZs Trade Unions on
NZ Herald news outlet Newstalk ZB on every bulletin from 5.00 am onward .About Nationals”soon to be released massive tax cuts for NZs hard working massively taxed wage earners out of control by Hipkins /Robertson /CTU /Cartel
Seems his Union and NZ Herald both have a hidden agenda .
NZ Herald are scared if there is a change of Government they would miss out on a top up of bribe money like the 55,000,000 Million dollars received from Ardern/Hipkins control freaks when voters believed she and he walked on water and Mainstream Media reported such propaganda . .
Now the Meglomaniac Trade Union Clown who has controlled the Labour Party policies and NZ Direction for the last Six years is running scared that Nationals’proposed massive Tax cuts to be announced in the near future will blow his Labour Party off the Treasury Benches on October 14 2023 General Election .
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May 24, 2023 8:28am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The union scum worked for Robertson , what a rotten bunch of assholes, he based the cost at 8 billion for 4 years, since when have we done tax on a four yearly basis?
  
  First year 1.8 billion, yet treasury forecasts extra tax next year of 8 billion dollars, why is it do bloody hard for these dead beats to work it out?
  
  Hosking had Willis on talking about it, and she was extremely good at pulling this union bully apart
  
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  May 24, 2023 9:16am
- kowtow
  
  The headline to that “story” in the Whoreald was ;
  “Counting Costs if Nats cut taxes”
  
  It should have said ” Trade Unionist ( and msm) Shill for Labour in run up to General Election”.
  
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  May 24, 2023 9:58am
  - Ghost
    
    Fair enough, how about am article “the state of the roads is it due to labour’s slashing the petrol tax?”
    
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    May 24, 2023 10:07am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    That union scum was outed as working in Robertsons office, what a bunch of hacks
    
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    May 24, 2023 1:41pm
- Paulus
  
  I thought there was another $25 million in the pipeline, via NZ On Air as usual, for more propoganda ?
  
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  May 24, 2023 1:44pm
hullkiwi

Many on this blog have often noted/commented just how shallow the current govt’s talent pool is, but I don’t think any of us would have dared thought there ministers would have been that bad that they regularly have the look of “possums caught in headlights” when interviewed by media.

From top to bottom they are woeful.

Examples of the inept ministers in front of the media abound, and include:
Kiri Allen – who months ago promised criminal justice legislation which has never materialized;

Jan Tanetti – always appears surprised that every education stat is going the wrong way;

Ayisha Verral – consistently lies about statistics and gets caught out;

Ginny Andersen – has finally admitted that crime is going the wrong way, and got skewered this morning by Mike Hosking at 7.40 this morning.

Then there is Mr Man for all Jobs or Mr Fixit Chippie, himself, he is fluent in gaslighting – like what gang crime in Hawkes Bay?

The list could go on, Little, Robertson, Jackson, Mahuta etc.

Is there anybody in government who is remotely capable?
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May 24, 2023 8:34am
- Xquenda Choudhury
  
  IMO David Parker is highly “capable”. I agree with few of his policies (most of them are alarming) but he works extremely hard behind the scenes. For three years he has been formulating the replacements for the RMA. He has only come under scrutiny in the last few months. Even that seems to have faded away.
  
  He gives few media interviews. Just works away in the background.
  
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  May 24, 2023 9:10am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Highly capable? All he has is tax the rich, he is minister of the environment but earlier in his life redeveloped the old Parkside Hospital in Dunedin, he had the asbestos buried in an area that lead to contamination, but as usual with this asshole got away with it
    
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    May 24, 2023 9:21am
    - Xquenda Choudhury
      
      You are missing my point. He pulls off highly technical (albeit damaging) law changes while mostly going under the radar.
      
      Definition of capable:
      
      “having the ability, fitness, or quality necessary to do or achieve a specified thing.”
      
      He is “capable”. That is the problem. You think Ginny Andersen could have spent 3 years writing the replacements for the RMA?
      
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      May 24, 2023 10:15am
      - Keith White
        
        Agree, it would probably have taken G Anderson at least seven years…
        
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        May 24, 2023 11:09am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Don’t forget the woeful Andrew Little ruining health, and the leech David Parker
  
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  May 24, 2023 9:18am
  - Keith White
    
    I know that we have gongs and awards etc for people who are alleged to have done really well (and often they have, but not invariably) in serving the public.
    
    I think we need an Order for people who service the public – as in screwed us over.
    
    We could call it something memorable like
    
    PGF – Poobah of the Grand Fuckups
    
    SISIT – Serially Incompetent Snout In Trough
    
    NZOOM – New Zealand’s Outstandingly Obnoxious MP (for which Mr River of Filth and Mr Pike Mine would have to be the first recipients – with ultra-strong competition from Greens and Maori MPs; actually it should probably just be a group award)
    
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    May 24, 2023 11:12am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Great summary.
  
  Very average people pushing a failed ideology wondering why everything is getting worse.
  
  Hopefully the public see through them later this year.
  
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  May 24, 2023 10:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  remotely capable?
  NO.
  
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  May 24, 2023 12:53pm
- Paulus
  
  Why is it that those specified examples in the comment are women – is there any meaning in this other than they are the best people for the jobs.
  
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  May 24, 2023 1:46pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    I could have thrown in:
    Kelvin (he of the witless protection programme) Davis, after early failures he is usually kept as far away from the media as possible.
    
    Kelvin’s secretary – Willow Jean Prime – so innocuous in her ministerial role, I can’t even think what it is
    
    Then there is Wood – a complete fail as Immigration Minister, as Transport Minister he puts ideology before the Transport needs of NZ & NZers
    
    Woods – the ultimate politician, but a big fail as a Minister. Housing – Kaianga Ora anybody? Energy – she opens mouth before she engages brain, and the tame media never question her
    
    Then there are the honorable mentions from the Greens
    
    James Shaw gives us a climate change Act with ETS scheme. He understands it so well he gives a corporate subsidy back to one of NZ’s single largest polluters
    
    And not forgetting…..
    Marama – she of social housing for the gangs, and aiding and abetting anti-social violence/crime in Wellington and Rotorua, while in the next breath tells the world that all domestic violence is because of CIS white men. Remember she knows, because she is Minister for solving domestic violence./// Yeah right, I am hearing a Tui’s ad coming!
    
    A final honourable mention must also go to the lady (her name eludes me (quite deliberately)), who saved NZ children from poverty, and was the Minister for hugs and kindness.
    
    Looking at the 2 lists of ministers, I am mindful of SCS, and all his comments about sheeple and how they all love the bunch of rank incompetent fools who have comprised the government’s of Jacinda Ardern and Chris Hipkins.
    
    There is nothing left to say except “God Save NZ” if the Coalition of Chaos win the election on 14th October.
    
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    May 24, 2023 4:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Mike is awake early. The signs are here.
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May 24, 2023 8:37am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trumps Classified Documents were far more important than Biden’s until now?
Will this be the end for Joe? Republicans should milk the fuck out of this. Hunter’s paintings were probably just a diversion.

https://gopnewsfeed.com/big-name-democrat-think-tank-linked-to-massive-chinese-cash/
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May 24, 2023 8:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “The cash keeps flowing around in circles. “Hunter and the other Americans owned 30 percent of the company and sat on its board.” Meanwhile, Joe gets a paycheck from the school and an office suite for showing up once every year or so, and shaking a few hands.”
  Note – o͟t͟h͟e͟r͟ A͟m͟e͟r͟i͟c͟a͟n͟s͟. Who? Also there are so many Companies that are not Businesses.
  
  https://gopnewsfeed.com/big-name-democrat-think-tank-linked-to-massive-chinese-cash/
  
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  May 24, 2023 8:47am
I remember when

“Disgusting’: Student suspended after committing indecent act in university library:
“labelled as ‘disgusting’ by the perpetrators’ peers.”
“I would say every other student I know has probably seen the video.”

That is certainly a lot of peers.
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May 24, 2023 8:46am
Rusty

Mike Hoskings interview with Jinny Anderson this morning confirms that Labour is living in a dream world.

She seemed to show more sympathy for the criminals particularly the young than for the police who are attacked and the victims of crime.

Recruiting more police is not going to stop more crime being committed when weak judges and a weak govt wont hold the crims to real account because they feel sorry for them due to their family backgrounds.
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May 24, 2023 8:46am
BarryB

I noticed yesterday that My Food Bag list value dropped to 19c. It was floated at $1.85 on March 5, 2021 and has constantly declined since then. One wonders if the floating was conducted when the owners could see bad times ahead. The future should have been good with the country in lockdown and the Government trying to terrorise everyone into staying locked up.

Someone who could see the trend in May 2022 was Simon Henry. He called Nadia Lim (the public face of the company) a ‘bit of Eurasian fluff’ in response to what appeared to be an appearance on TV in an effort to muster a bit of support for the falling share price. Lim was (is?) ambassador for My Food Bag. Of course the media said everyone was outraged – but it seems Henry was right. (Henry had started several very profitable companies).
In the style of the communications mgr for the Miami Zoo (that’s some performance), Henry apologised for his comments.

My food bag floated for a value of $342million. The shareholders – Waterman Capital, Cecilia and James Robinson, and Theresa Gattung, Nadia Lim and others
All walked away with plenty of dollars. But they will be annoyed with the drop in share price as they had to leave 25% of the shares in for a year.
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May 24, 2023 8:47am
- Matt Long
  
  “they had to leave 25% of the shares in for a year.” AKA bait and switch.
  
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  May 24, 2023 11:20am
- kowtow
  
  The “outrage ” over the fluff comment should have been reserved and properly so for the nature of that float .( Some serious analysis at the time was scathing)
  
  I suspect anyone who bought then might feel outraged , but te media pardy ain’t goin’ there are they .
  
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  May 24, 2023 12:08pm
- alwyn.a
  
  My Food Bag listed on March 5, 2021.
  If they had got rid of their shares after 12 months they were long gone before the price reached the current level.
  
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  May 24, 2023 12:12pm
I remember when

‘Disgusting’: Student suspended after committing indecent act in university library:
“The student has been suspended….”

That certainly conjures up a lot of possible outcomes.
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May 24, 2023 8:49am
- kowtow
  
  Boogers in library books was so off putting .
  
  I suppose in these really whacko days we should be grateful for small mercies.
  
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  May 24, 2023 12:04pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Does Simon Wilson live in a parallel Universe?

Since when has Christopher Luxon been a climate-change denialist?

This is the Headline on NZ Herald’s website:

Simon Wilson: The insidious climate denialism of Christopher Luxon

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/simon-wilson-christopher-luxon-gets-it-right-and-also-terribly-wrong-about-big-climate-change-deal/NAXO7ZWQANADZHWAPNZO556HEA/
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May 24, 2023 8:52am
- Xquenda Choudhury
  
  It is pay walled. But I see it is about the madness of paying money to New Zealand Steel. I don’t need to read any more. 🙄
  
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  May 24, 2023 8:58am
  - kevn
    
    @Xq… More like Aussie Steel. The NZ bit is a marketing trick.
    
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    May 24, 2023 9:59am
- Nickc2
  
  Time for Maureen Pugh to give Luxon some books to read?
  Is Simon Wilson on a Retainer from the PJIF?
  
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  May 24, 2023 9:00am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Of course.
    
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    May 24, 2023 4:28pm
TripeWryter

I found myself wincing in my bed this morning as I listened to Michael Hosking skewering Ginny Andersen, the police minister.
Poor Ginny – and I used to know Ginny – is out of her depth.
The trouble is that a Labour Party minister trying to sound tough and angry in a weak, soft on crime Labour government is not convincing.
She and her leader – who purports to be a ‘Boy from the Hutt’ but came from a nice, middle class area of the Hutt – can chunter ‘unacceptable’ all they like.
But the kids and thugs who are doing the crime and giving them the fingers don’t use big words like that.
Ginny might need to sack her media advisers because they’re giving her bad advice.
Media spinning won’t get her out of the hole she’s in.
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May 24, 2023 8:54am
- Swifty
  
  We need an ‘all of government’ response to escalating crime in NZ and Labour are just not doing it.
  
  We need to get serious and to get tough.
  
  For a start we should be hammering good values in our homes, schools, marae, sports clubs etc.
  
  For people who do victimise others there must be certain and meaningful consequences, irrespective of age or situation.
  
  Labour are incapable of such leadership and action. Their ideology and their people prevent them.
  
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  May 24, 2023 9:46am
- Hard Cheese
  
  Not poor Ginny – she’s getting handsomely paid for being that incompetent.
  
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  May 24, 2023 10:52am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Hopefully it’s only until October.
    
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    May 24, 2023 11:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A shovel will help her…….
  
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  May 24, 2023 12:58pm
Swifty

Can you just imagine the disaster for Auckland ratepayers Efeso Collins would have been right about now?

Prudent financial stewardship – it’s not much to ask.
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May 24, 2023 9:00am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Don’t worry,
  
  Efeso might be sitting in Parliament this time next year.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/first-up/audio/2018891439/new-faces-on-the-green-party-candidate-list
  
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  May 24, 2023 9:22am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    No longer just a frightening prospect for Aucklanders…..
    but now the entire country!
    
    “People fear tall, black men. I’m surprisingly tall”
    
    – Fa’anana Efeso Collins (StuffedNZ 11-9-22)
    
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    May 24, 2023 9:47am
    - Ghost
      
      People also hate idiots that try to blame people not electing them on race
      
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      May 24, 2023 9:55am
    - Swifty
      
      What a disgraceful statement from Collins.
      
      “People fear tall, black men.”
      
      When he says ‘people’ does he mean the huge numbers of Aucklanders who are coloured similarly to Collins? Are they somehow racist too? Or is this just a sly racist dog at whitey?
      
      Also, last time I looked Collins was not black – he is brown. Black is a term used exclusively for Africans – or is Collins now positioning himself as the Samoan Tupac? The Samoan Martin Luther King or Malcolm X?
      
      The man makes himself a laughing stock with those sorts of comments. He invites derision.
      
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      May 24, 2023 10:26am
- Thought Criminal
  
  He promised not to sack a single person.
  
  That’s how the left roll. Create thousands of necessary jobs and then promise those people job security in exchange for their votes.
  
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  May 24, 2023 10:44am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Labour is the problem – Dr Muriel Newman.
Examining the Budget.

https://www.nzcpr.com/newsletter/
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May 24, 2023 9:04am
Maggie Pie

Ever wondered why there are no Maori Scientists?

Well, according to a ‘Professor-of-Maori-Philosophy & Education in Te Ara Poutama’……it’s because of RACISM!

https://stuff.co.nz/opinion/300883336/why-there-are-so-few-mori-in-science
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May 24, 2023 9:04am
- Xquenda Choudhury
  
  For the same reason there are disproportionately few Maori chemical engineers, cardiac surgeons or world class musicians. Goes right back to the value placed on Education.
  
  AFAIK the New Zealand Symphony Orchestra has zero Maori musicians. None. I could be mistaken but I have read the posted bios of every musician. All of them are either of European or Chinese ethnicity. To get into the NZSO you are the best of the best. All of the musicians have been playing since little children and have extensive overseas experience.
  
  I am surprised that the NZSO has not been accused of racism. It is just a matter of time. However until more Maori parents but their little kids violins and pay for years and years of lessons, the NZSO will have no (or very few) Maori players.
  
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  May 24, 2023 9:21am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    We had Fijian-born Wilma Smith as 1st Violinist and Concert Master of the NZSO (before Melbourne scooped her up).
    
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    May 24, 2023 9:27am
  - Opie
    
    Right, let’s get the nzso cancelled.
    
    Music is obviously a colonial construct and has no place here.
    
    There’s two ways to cancel them.
    
    Call them rascist and just wind it down.
    
    Or… give it a maori name and make them hire heaps of maoris to compensate. Then, with the standards dropped (selecting on race, not musical ability), the music will be shit and no one will go so it will wind itself down. Seems to be the favored way at the moment. Then it will get propped up with some taxpayer cash, and you will be a bigot for not going even though half the orchestra are literally banging a rock on another one.
    
    A far side cartoon linked below which is particularly relevant for those who enjoy some Larson.
    
    https://www.pinterest.nz/pin/323977766925336826/
    
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    May 24, 2023 10:19am
  - Jack5
    
    The NZSO will increasingly have ethnic-Asian players.
    
    Many Chinese like Western classic music, and their families tend to have the discipline for music practice.
    
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    May 24, 2023 11:07am
  - alwyn.a
    
    In Opera I suspect that Maori have been more successful than New Zealand citizens of any other racial group.
    I can think of two Maori singers who did very well and only a couple of others from New Zealand who might be in that class.
    To be fair though I really don’t care for Opera so I could easily have missed dozens of them.
    
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    May 24, 2023 12:28pm
    - Jack5
      
      Ethnic-Samoan New Zealanders are doing very well in opera.
      
      Fine voices, and perseverance, too.
      
      This clip was nine years ago, but gives a taste of three early in their career.
      
      https://youtu.be/fw35rcwbJ_M
      
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      May 24, 2023 1:06pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  The Professor actually said the quiet part out loud and said it’s not actually “Racism” but “Classism”. Basically, Maori don’t have the same opportunities because they’re poor. Good results apparently only happen if you’re rich so if we just give Maori a bunch of money they’ll get good results too.
  
  Those fools have an incredibly offensive view towards poor people and especially Maori. They seem to think they can’t achieve anything without the help of “their betters” (apparently being people like the Professor). The sad thing is that the constant repetition of that lie has lead to people believing it.
  
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  May 24, 2023 9:33am
  - miltonF
    
    It’s also a self-fulfilling prophecy. Welfare and special treatment takes away any incentive to better oneself. Spoil a child and the result is…
    
    So, are many Maori on a benefit because they are poor? Or are they poor BECAUSE they are on a benefit? Compare rates of Maori poverty before and after the massive expansion of the welfare state. Maori poverty has increased dramatically. Correlation or causation? Something to ponder.
    
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    May 24, 2023 4:24pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Interesting that the author takes an old-fashioned Socialist analysis of the problem
  
  That there are so few Māori scientists has been blamed on racism but there is also another reason: socio-economic inequality.
  
  You will find health inequities and high incidence of violence amongst the socio-economic disadvantaged also…
  Not just in Maori families, but also in PI, pakeha and new immigrant families at the bottom of the socio-economic heap.
  
  But it seems our Government prefers to look at issues through a race-based, bicultural lens only.
  
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  May 24, 2023 9:36am
  - Swifty
    
    It is my honest belief that any analysis or discussion of this type of issue, in this case numbers of Maori in science, and which doesn’t prominently mention personal choice and cultural value is seriously flawed.
    
    It is clear to me that, as a whole, Maori just don’t value or prioritise a career in science as 1. As much as other cultures and 2. As much as other career choices.
    
    This is neither good nor bad, it just is.
    
    To wrap this all up in racism and economic inequality driving this situation seems just dishonest to me. I’d like to see the learned professor’s data and evidence for her assertions so that we may scrutinise her conclusions.
    
    I’d also add, if it is racism and economic inequality behind it all, why is it that w heave seen all manner of Asian families (Chinese, Vietnamese, Indian, Cambodian, Thai, Filipino etc etc) arrive here with next to no financial resources and within 20-30 years, or less, their children or grandchildren are taking out our top school science prizes? I’ve seen it tens and tens of times.
    
    This Maori excuse-making is doing them no service. No service at all.
    
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    May 24, 2023 10:03am
    - Opie
      
      Its simple, not all races are equal.
      
      It’s like saying that all dog breeds are as smart as each other. They aren’t. Or as fast. Or as tall. Or have the same amount of wag in their tail every morning. They simply don’t.
      
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      May 24, 2023 10:22am
    - Piniwi
      
      Thanks Swifty so again we see the solution chosen by the native elite is to attempt to dumb down science by claiming native science is superior. No don’t laugh as these chosen ones are supposedly descendants of chiefs and highly placed persons who have gone before. Actually well before many of the simplest inventions and scientific discoveries were made. But they could hongi and dongi with the best of them.
      
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      May 24, 2023 2:22pm
- Dave
  
  What the professor actually says, several times in different words, is, “ Ethnic wealth inequity explains the lack of Māori in science…”
  
  Whether this wealth inequity is because of racism or something else, she never says. In a rather, unhelpful, repetitive and long-winded op-ed, she says almost nothing about how to solve the pipeline problem she has identified.
  
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  May 24, 2023 7:52pm
Swifty

New Zealand is a country in decline.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/burglars-hit-auckland-home-twice-in-two-days-steal-100k-of-goods/RCU4UL2DZRDGRFPSJW3VMAALZM/

Ram-raids, burglaries (including of our cultural institutions), violent street crime, armed robberies of dairies and liquor stores, violent gangs robbing jewellery stores en masse, violent beatings of bus and train workers, firearm crime at record levels……the list just goes on and on.

And it’s getting worse not better.

Such a shame. We were a great little country once.
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May 24, 2023 9:12am
- Xquenda Choudhury
  
  There is a little second hand goods store near me. It was one of those interesting places to browse and which gives neighbourhoods character. It shut down yesterday. Owner told me he had been robbed three times this year. He can’t go on.
  
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  May 24, 2023 9:24am
- Nickc2
  
  We were a great little country once.
  ….and we could be again but not until all the adverse issues identified by Swifty @9;12AM are addressed and unfortunately, I can’t see a Politician on our Political Horizon with the balls to do it.
  
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  May 24, 2023 9:31am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    It’s all about about an approximately 50 year old culture war between immature radicals on the one hand, and on the other hand sensible, moderate and mature people. Most likely planted in the 1960s by the USSR to destabilise the west.
    
    Unfortunately the sensible, moderate and mature people have not been fighting. They’ve simply believed that the unhinged radicals were just a small nuisance and could be ignored. Wrong!
    
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    May 24, 2023 2:15pm
    - Keith White
      
      We were a great little country once, but events have turned out against us. I personally, have no cause for complaint. I had a good run.
      
      Reference: I have often remembered over the years, the last words of Capt Scott.
      
      “We took risks.
      “We knew that we took them.
      “Things turned out against us.
      “We have no cause for complaint.
      
      I had a good ride in New Zealand and had the opportunity to look after my wife and children.
      
      Things turned out against me.
      
      So, how can I say that I have cause for complaint with that example.
      
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      May 24, 2023 6:37pm
- Ghost
  
  We’re still a great country, we have some problems but a change of government will hopefully find our way back.
  
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  May 24, 2023 9:43am
  - Paulus
    
    Hope to see change for the better but as a comparative person I would not know where to start.
    Ardern’s damage is so deep that anything which needs to be done cannot be accomplished in months or years, and the so called $55 mill media will shout as to why it has not been done in the first 100 days.
    Our Children and Grandchildren will have to pay for it – how ?
    – as many of their age groups voted for what we have got.
    
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    May 24, 2023 1:57pm
Grunter

So Biden now upping the anti by allowing Ukraine to get F-16’s. Only a few months ago he was saying that move would be the start of WWIII.

Biden has said “No” then “Yes” to; tanks, missliles, patriots, and now F-16’s. He’s still saying “No” to NATO forces inside Ukraine (yeah right – too late) and to using nukes. But based on his actions so far we only have it wait a few more months for his tele-prompter to change his mind again.

This shit-storm is about to get real ugly. And still, we have warmongers sending 100’s of Billion $’s and bigger weapons. Keep cheering on the evil Zelenskyy as we head toward ‘The Last World War”.
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May 24, 2023 9:17am
- Thought Criminal
  
  What’s the alternative? Roll over and let Russia gobble up Eastern Europe again? We did that once. It was evil.
  
  Putin would not have stopped at Ukraine.
  
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  May 24, 2023 11:00am
  - mandk
    
    Agreed.
    
    Putin has never hidden his wish to reintegrate the Baltic States into the Russian Empire. He also has designs on Georgia and Moldova.
    
    If there is a WW3, it will not simply be because the West resisted Putin over Ukraine.
    
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    May 24, 2023 11:34am
  - Grunter
    
    First of all, Putin isn’t “gobbling up Eastern Europe”. He’s struggling to win over the Donbas at a huge cost in both people and weapons. So the likelihood of him trying to take on the likes of Poland, Finland, the Baltic States is laughable. You’ve been sucked into the MSM narrative again. Putin might be evil, but he isn’t stupid. The moment he does that he knows his country is toast.
    What we have right now is Biden pushing Russia towards defending itself with their last resort – nukes. The alternatives are fast running out, and probably already gone. But still worth attempting to:
    1. Honour the Minsk Agreements (the combined west have ripped these up).
    2. Stop funding the evil Zelenskyy immediately
    3. Immediate cease-fire, and de-militarise the Ukraine.
    
    What is your alternative Thought Criminal….??
    
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    May 24, 2023 2:05pm
- Burtland
  
  theres only one war monger and his name is Putin
  
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  May 24, 2023 2:55pm
- Ehlana
  
  If Russia hadn’t invaded Ukraine, Ukraine would not have had to ask for any weapons.
  If Russia had gone home after the Ukrainians got the first lot of weapons from the West, there would have been no need to give them the second lot.
  Ditto for all the other lots.
  
  If Zelensky is evil, what is Putin?
  
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  May 24, 2023 4:32pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Not USA F16s. Older versions from European Countries who probably see an opportunity for the USA to give them New Versions or F35s.
  
  F16s have been in production for over 40 years!
  So don’t be surprised if they dont do well against latest generation Russian aircraft.
  
  Please please stop reading Western propaganda about F16s and Russia wanting to Gobble up Eastern Europe/Ukraine.
  
  Some simple analysis will show that Russia has no desire to rule Ukraine. After this war it is a shithole that will cost billions if not trillions to rebuild.
  
  Needless to say the sad Spin readers/believers will immediately jump on and call me a Putin sympathizer, Russian plant etc.
  
  Fill your boots. You just show your ignorance and lack of any reasonable analysis.
  
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  May 24, 2023 6:08pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It’s depressing seeing normally rational, intelligent people believing the shit being pushed out by western media over this horrible conflict.
    It’s like watching the first year of the covid crap all over again.
    
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    May 24, 2023 7:37pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
Hawkes Bay has now had 3 meetings, and they want more!
Tomorrow night there is a meeting in Levin. Other meetings in that part of the Country include Paraparaumu. I did think there were maybe two more in the Wellington area. They are needed, come on Wellington, A into G.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/another-great-night-in-hawkes-bay-last-night/
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May 24, 2023 9:24am
- Nickc2
  
  Maybe some Rainbow painted Pedestrian Crossings will help draw a Wellington crowd. //
  
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  May 24, 2023 9:37am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Socialists down there need a wakeup call. Same old same old. Mt Brother lives there. I have seen the grey suits on the train, cellphones out or ear buds in. The look on their glum faces tells a story. ‘Why the fuck am I here? What is happening in NZ? Oh never mind – nearly time for my craft beer shandy, get on the train, and put my glum face on. Home. Then I gotta feed the animules, load the dishwasher, have a wash – never mind the shave – do that on the train. Did you know my phone has a mirror?
    Fuck! What day is it? Thursday? Fuck it, I am having a 3 day weekend doing nothing.
    
    Enjoy Wellywood.
    
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    May 24, 2023 5:01pm
Maggie Pie

“DARK HUMOR IS LIKE FOOD.

Not everyone gets it”

– Joseph Stalin.
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May 24, 2023 9:31am
Tony Stuart

Re tax thresholds and bracket creep:

42 hours per week on the minimum wage ($22.70) = $953.40 per week. That rolls out to $49,756 per annum.

Income up to $48,000 per annum is taxed at 17.5%. Income between $48,001 and $70,000 is taxed at 30%. So the person on the minimum wage is being taxed at 30% on $1756 of income.

That’s absurd. It’s way beyond time that tax brackets/thresholds were adjusted. National is promising to index thresholds to inflation, which is the right thing to do. Labour has resisted this at every turn.

It defies logic that someone on the minimum wage should be paying tax on any of their income at the tax rate for medium incomes. This needs to be addressed as a matter of urgency.
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May 24, 2023 9:33am
- septic skeptic
  
  Not so sure about your logic here. The minimum wage has increased massively. Relative to medium incomes there is not that much difference. The focus now needs to be on compensating and retaining the people that drive the economy. Not “looking after the most vulnerable” or whatever the latest PR line is to justify the creep towards communism and equal outcomes for most.
  
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  May 24, 2023 11:25am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    That’s precisely the point; the minimum wage is now on the verge of middle income, based on how it has increased whilst the tax threshold haven’t.
    
    It used to be that $50k sounded all right as a salary; now it’s barely what you get working fulltime on minimum wage. Little wonder the government is raking in the tax dollars 🤬
    
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    May 24, 2023 2:02pm
- Ehlana
  
  Sadly, defying logic is one of the things this government is best at.
  
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  May 24, 2023 11:30am
- Bobba Fret
  
  I have been saying this for years.
  
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  May 24, 2023 11:39am
Nickc2

Megan Woods on the Hosking Show this morning stated her Govt is going to increase NZ’s Petroleum Fuel reserves. This was bought about as an answer to our fourth delivery of sub-standard Aviation Fuel.
Well, Megan, our reputation has already been trashed in this regard because your Cabinet colleagues took their eyes off the ball when Marsden Point Refinery closed down. Now, more Taxpayer money will be required to rebuild/recommission Marsden Point or build another facility/facility(s).
IMO, we couldn’t possibly find a bigger bunch of fuckwits to put in charge of our country.
PS: She didn’t say when work would commence.
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May 24, 2023 10:03am
- Jack5
  
  When the fools let the country lose the NZ refinery did they also wipe the pipeline from Marsden Point to Auckland?
  
  Where will they build the new storage tanks? What port, and where at the port?
  
  Hundreds of millions of dollars wasted.
  
  Why didn’t the Government step in, just as the Australian Government stepped in to keep some refineries working in Australia?
  
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  May 24, 2023 11:04am
  - Nickc2
    
    They’ll probably have to truck the Aviation Fuel to Akld Airport. Automotive Fuel will probably have to be trucked to Akld also.
    IMO, a truckload of Bitumin won’t ever get to Akld, it’ll all be used up filling potholes on the Whangerei Akld highway.
    Just imagine all the trucks on that road carrying AvGas, Diesel, Petrol, Bitumin, and Shipping Containers when North Port becomes Akld’s Container Terminal.
    A bunch of Student Politicians and Green Religion Evangelists have achieved all this in the short space of six years.
    PS: The Maori Elites will no doubt have to be paid some form of recompense for adding nothing in particular to this fiasco.
    
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    May 24, 2023 12:00pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You say fourth delivery? I knew about one. Where is NZ buying this from and what is it contaminated with?
      Marsden is the correct place to re-build or do a re-build. Who owns the land there?
      
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      May 24, 2023 5:53pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Now – tanker trucks running. I understood that after a certain fuel was pumped to Auckland, a ‘liquid Bloc’ was put in, then a different fuel pumped to Auckland depending on what was required. That ‘Bloc” was truck tanked back to Marsden, and after cleaning it was then another ‘Bloc’
      It has been a long time since we were up there, and we caught the vid after it started.
      
      Someone may correct me, but there were empty truck tankers taking the ‘Bloc’ back to Marsden.
      
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      May 24, 2023 6:02pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    They filled the pipeline with concrete. The pipeline is unusable.
    
    Woods and her colleagues are not only idiots, they are vandals.
    
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    May 24, 2023 4:38pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      New pipes. The other pipes used as moorings.
      
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      May 24, 2023 5:54pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      You are too kind, I think the appropriate word is traitors.
      
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      May 24, 2023 7:40pm
kevn

@Nick2… The clown circus in full flight.
Except it is tragic for NZ not funny.
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May 24, 2023 10:15am
Maggie Pie

Winnie tweets….

“Why are our school children, from age five, now being taught about relationships, gender, and sexuality?”

I quite enjoyed this reply –

https://twitter.com/ZMulovski/status/1660187652510068736
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May 24, 2023 10:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There is the source of New Zealands’ problems we face today.
  I know you meant otherwise, but to me, this is the reason NZ is donkey deep in shit.
  
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  May 24, 2023 6:16pm
I remember when

Sometimes you see a poll where you wonder, can’t we guess the result.
Poll: Should we have a four-day work week?
The team from neighbourly.co.nz.
A four-day week means employees are paid for 40 hours but only work 32 of those.
Did they not wonder what the outcome would be for a 4 day, 10 hours per day, 40 hour week, as a comparison.
To date it appears that 22% of those responding were retired, as they voted “No”, a five-day working week is needed.
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May 24, 2023 11:11am
- Ehlana
  
  I’m sure the people advocating for a 4 day, 32 hour week with 40 hours pay also want the same for all retail staff. So, you know, shops would only be open when they are at work and prices would reflect the additional paid day off. Yes?
  
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  May 24, 2023 11:32am
  - rockape
    
    Should work well in the Mrs A&E department.
    
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    May 24, 2023 12:30pm
Surely Knott

Still Waiting:
1. Who Shot Jack Brazil? 16 April 2023.
2. Who was in the Car with Jack Brazil?
3. What was found in the raid of Yours Cafe?

4. When will the name of the “Promininent Political Figure in court on historical sexual assault charges, including against underage boy. ” Waitakere Court Jan 2023. Be disclosed.

5. When will the coroner release the name, age and findings of the 4th vaccine death April 2022?
6. Now that medsafe has stop reporting covid safety figures and incidents will any further vaccine deaths be made public?
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May 24, 2023 11:37am
- Ghost
  
  Number 4 hasn’t gone to trial yet
  
  Number 5 their name isn’t any of your business and should not be released unless the family want it to be
  
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  May 24, 2023 12:25pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Number 5. Covid Vaccine Death – “their name isn’t any of your business.”
    
    Wow. That’s a bit titchy. The other vaccine deaths were named. I didn’t see it as a controversial question.
    
    But regardless of the name we are entitled to the safety data, and injury data of the experimental product they forced on us.
    
    What is the protocol here anyways. People are routinely named in NZ when they die in a fire, or car accident or even unusual flu deaths. In the US they provide full medical details of the death (anonymised without the name). In the communist hermit kingdom we get nothing.
    
    With covid itself – only the first covid death was named. And then all the details of the other covid deaths were suppressed. Did they all say they didn’t want to be in the paper.
    
    Why do you get named in the paper if you die in a fire but not of a disease in a pandemic.
    
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    May 24, 2023 2:51pm
    - Ghost
      
      It really is none of your businesses who they are. The only consideration should be the family and their grief process, not strangers wanting to know who they are. The media have made a perversion of reporting and harassing loved ones of people who have died over the years, needs to stop and people need to be given back their privacy.and that means these low life scum stop filming ambulances as patients are being worked on, stop filming accident scenes or where people have died while the bodies are still there, stop filming and harassing the family and friends as they grieve.
      
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      May 24, 2023 3:45pm
      - Surely Knott
        
        We were forced to take a drug that was only provisionally approved. As part of that we were told the safety report was one of the checks and balances. We absolutely deserve to hear the details and the coroners finding. I don’t need to know the name but we need to know the age and the circumstances of the death , and any other health factors.
        
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        May 24, 2023 9:25pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Here’s something I didn’t know till I googled Jack Brazil……
  
  ‘A single pod of Brazil Nuts can just about fit in a man’s hand’
  
  – Smithsonian Magazine.
  
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  May 24, 2023 1:11pm
  - Ghost
    
    Here’s a video for you
    
    https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/13o50b3/the_never_ending_amount_of_peanuts_in_cheek/
    
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    May 24, 2023 1:24pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      One of the girls at tennis has a nut allergy.
      Just about ruined her sex life.
      
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      May 24, 2023 1:33pm
      - Ghost
        
        Did she turn lesbian
        
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        May 24, 2023 1:45pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        No, she was able to talk her partner into getting castrated.
        
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        May 24, 2023 2:17pm
      - Ghost
        
        Oh, is her partner the young New Zealander of the year
        
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        May 24, 2023 3:33pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        LAL!!
        
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        May 24, 2023 5:13pm
kowtow

The ODT run a story about organised theft from a builders home , the second paragraph is;

‘Police are asking anyone with information to contact them.’

But the photo has pixelated faces and license plate .

Is this a piss take .

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/home-stripped-clean-burglars
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May 24, 2023 11:51am
- Keith White
  
  We really do need to wonder, when the police are provided with all the evidence to locate the offenders, why they won’t locate the offenders and charge them.
  
  / sarc
  
  Actually we don’t need to wonder, the Labour government wants fewer prisoners, to make themselves look good.
  
  Truly they are terrible.
  
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  May 24, 2023 7:04pm
Maggie Pie

All the Whingers & Winers on ZB this morning.

Will it be .25 will it be .50…..will it be this, Orr it be that. SHEESH!!

It’s like chinese water torture….
I mean why didn’t Adrian just go 3 to start with and be done with it.
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May 24, 2023 11:52am
NZer In Exile

Bank KYC private-info fishing expeditions?

Over here in Aus a certain large bank that owns a certain large (for NZ) bank is messaging customers stating they need to update their personal details for KYC (know your customer, anti money laundering etc etc) requirements.

Seems kind of reasonable, initially. Then upon starting to do this I notice it appears to be a privacy fishing expedition beyond just the routine ID documents. “Data is the new oil” as they say. Seems to be also about spreading your details around the various hidden and nefarious “data brokers” for profiling purposes.

Anybody residing in NZ noticing this also with their bank?
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May 24, 2023 12:05pm
Maggie Pie

Those nasty lefties on twitter speculating it was The Hosk will be sadly disappointed…..

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1661132187540783105
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May 24, 2023 1:01pm
- kowtow
  
  Piss weak sentencing.
  I see the Air NZ baggage handlers who facilitated international drug trafficking only got home d .
  
  In Singapore they’d hang.
  
  No wonder the gangs make so much money and run rampant.
  
  It’s worth the risk.
  
  NZ ; a country where crime does pay.
  
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  May 24, 2023 1:55pm
MCōs

A while back the IRD put the lawnmower through the ranks and a friend of mine picked up a job as an IT contractor making buckets of money.
One less employee replaced by a couple of contractors.
Happens all the time
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May 24, 2023 1:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Johnny Depp Amber Heard. Capt Jack Sparrow testifies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHfz1Qn-50s
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May 24, 2023 1:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

If it wasn’t for Donald Trump winning in 2016,
Americans never would have known just how dirty the Democrats are.
Am I right??
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May 24, 2023 2:01pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

You may not like guns, that is your right.
You may not believe in God, that is your choice.
But if someone breaks into your home, the first two things you are going to do…

1) Call someone with a gun.
2) Pray they get there in time.
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May 24, 2023 2:05pm
- Keith White
  
  I am mildly curious, what the downtickers think the appropriate response would be. Social workers? A rahui? A drone strike? Or just nuke them from orbit? Come on downtickers, state your case!
  
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  May 24, 2023 7:06pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Something is seriously wrong in the Police hierarchy.

Is it still a Boy’s club?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300887415/police-failed-to-respond-to-reports-of-sexual-assaults-against-new-recruits-watchdog-finds
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May 24, 2023 2:35pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Reminds me of that old Dr Morgan Fahey from Christchurch.
  One of the girls from tennis was an Ansett hostie. He got away with stuff for years she reckons. Ended up going to jail.
  
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  May 24, 2023 3:04pm
  - Keith White
    
    My understanding is he is currently on parole.
    
    What I believe his fate should be would not pass moderation.
    
    I’m just going to go to Sherlock Holmes for this:
    
    “When a doctor does go wrong he is the first of criminals. He has nerve and he has knowledge.”
    
    In my view therefore such doctors should be punished condignly.
    
    Doctor: you’re guilty. What you have taken from a patient that trusted you should be taken from you, in full measure, and a lot more.
    
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    May 24, 2023 4:12pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘Deputy Police Commissioner Tania Kura said the police force had “taken steps to ensure this does not happy again”
  
  Taken directly from $1tuffed caption.
  
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  May 24, 2023 4:38pm
  - Keith White
    
    “This is clearly a situation in which Police’s high standards when dealing with historic allegations of this kind have not been met.”
    
    I would like some of the medication that she is taking. Clearly, it absolves the patient taking it of any connection to reality and therefore any responsibility to manage reality. Could be good the next time New Zealand’s Blue Patched Gang pull me over for doing 96km/h with an empty trailer overtaking a slow-truck in an overtaking lane.
    
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    May 24, 2023 6:30pm
Maggie Pie

NewShubPolitics reports…

HOW TO SAVE $500.

‘Government suggests Kiwis shorten showers, limit heat temp to 17c, only use cold wash to save money’.

Unf~ckingbelievable!!
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May 24, 2023 3:44pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Sorry I reported by accident.
  
  Sadly a heat pumps at 17c has to run day and night and when it is 1c outside or colder there is a 5c difference in any house so you rooms will be at 12c – good luck.
  
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  May 24, 2023 3:49pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    SHEESH! Trying to get me banned Blogo??
    
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    May 24, 2023 3:56pm
- Ghost
  
  I saw they are planing to reduce the temp that hot water cylinders should be set to, dropping it to where bacteria can survive, smart move……..
  
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  May 24, 2023 4:03pm
  - Blog-aholic
    
    They certainly gaslit the entire New Zealand citizenry with that stupid abbouncement. Here is the thing.
    
    They will limit the temperature coming out of the cylinder to 50c (probably using a mixer like your shower)…..BUT you still have to heat your cylinder to (I think around 64c) to kill any potention legionella that may live in it.
    
    So instead of spending money and enjoying your heat at 55-57c you now have to spend the same to enjoy a colder shower.
    
    All that so the four or so kiddies that get scolded every year because the parents are not supervising the bath run can keep them safe.
    
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    May 24, 2023 4:12pm
  - Keith White
    
    Those of us who are old enough, can remember treating quite serious cases of “spa pool soup”, especially the staph infections. Not good.
    
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    May 24, 2023 4:49pm
  - Dougal10
    
    This is a serious health breach in this stupid policy. I can’t believe this made it through any checks and balances on this govt recommendation
    
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    May 24, 2023 8:00pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Cold wash results in dirty smelly clothes (except maybe for very lightly soiled clothes).
  
  What next? Only eat every second day?
  
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  May 24, 2023 4:30pm
  - Dougal10
    
    Cold wash in the lower south island doesn’t work as water only about 5⁰ , cold water wash for most of the world is about 20⁰
    
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    May 24, 2023 8:03pm
- Spam
  
  Goodness. The WHO recommends a minimum of 18°C. Surely they’re not making recommendations against our overlords?
  
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  May 24, 2023 5:06pm
- jon
  
  Well many of us were saving hundreds of dollars a year before this same minister WOODS removed the power companies ability to offer consumers a prompt payment discount of 20% plus on their monthly accounts. Some of us have long memories!
  
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  May 24, 2023 7:09pm
  - Ghost
    
    But but but, she said removing that would reduce the prices of power, oh wait, sorry, that was said by a labour person so the opposite always happens
    
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    May 24, 2023 7:14pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Stop using the dryer
  
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  May 24, 2023 8:50pm
Keith White

Isn’t it a pleasure to receive communications from the Ministry of Health’s (my very bad, Te Whatu Ora’s) factotums?

I’ve been on a waiting list for quite the while for something that can’t be done in the private sector even if I want to fund it – which I would if it could be done there never mind paying taxes for six decades because Big Sister Ardern knows best what I need.

But lo and behold, today I got a lovely little letter which informed me that I’m no longer on the waiting list! I’ve been moved off it! Yay!

Oh, oops – the Orwellian reason I have been removed, is because the local branch of the Wellington Whatu Health Monolith instituted by Andrew Little, – PBUH – currently has and I quote “an incapacity to treat your condition” and they don’t see that improving any time in the foreseeable future.

OK then.
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May 24, 2023 3:57pm
- Ghost
  
  Congrats on being moved off it?
  
  Pathetic isn’t it.
  
  Only way things will change if politicians have no ability to use private health and have to only be seen publicly with the same wait times as everyone else.
  
  Little and Ardern should be prosecuted for what they have done to health and the thousands and thousands who are suffering and dying because of them.
  
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  May 24, 2023 4:01pm
- cmm
  
  “an incapacity to treat your condition”
  All your fault. You should have selected from the recommended list of conditions.
  
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  May 24, 2023 4:07pm
  - Keith White
    
    You are of course entirely right and I abjectly denounce myself for WrongThink and will report for re-education.
    
    Well, I would, but there’s a really long waiting list for re-education…
    
    Fortunately, relief is at hand, if we follow the example of the People’s Democratic Republic of Trudeauistan
    
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2023/06/canada-legalized-medical-assisted-suicide-euthanasia-death-maid/673790/
    
    https://angusreid.org/assisted-dying-maid-mental-health/
    
    (Mod: links are to Canada’s Brave New Initiative to let people kill themselves if they feel miserable).
    
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    May 24, 2023 4:20pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Sounds like you have cherpes and they are saying it is untweetable.
  
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  May 24, 2023 4:13pm
  - Keith White
    
    Haha that made me laugh!
    
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    May 24, 2023 5:05pm
- mandk
  
  Any idea what they meant by incapacity?
  
  It could mean that it is not medically possible to do anything for you.
  
  But it could also mean that there are insufficient resources to treat you.
  
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  May 24, 2023 4:28pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It could mean that it is not medically possible to do anything for you.
    
    I thought KW was a GP (or ex-GP).
    Surely he would know what was medically possible in NZ.
    
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    May 24, 2023 5:22pm
    - Keith White
      
      I do know what is medically possible in New Zealand, and when I was on the waiting list it was medically possible. Apparently it’s not medically possible any longer, and I wonder aloud if that’s because preferred ethnicities have jump the queue. I’m looking for other options overseas, because I’m not an entire idiot (some parts of me are still missing). At the moment, India and Eastern Europe.
      
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      May 24, 2023 5:51pm
    - Keith White
      
      Ex ER.
      
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      May 24, 2023 5:55pm
  - Keith White
    
    It is possible in a narrow sense, because I know that the technical resources are available, but they can’t prioritise people my age with my problem, given their current waiting list: because people who are younger than I (and/or of a different ethnicity than I) have overtaken me on the waiting list.
    
    And during a phone call they have told me that they don’t want to give me “false hope” (I guess that is somehow entirely different to “true hope”) that the situation for me will change for the foreseeable future, as they foresee it.
    
    Realistically, I doubt that it can, because of major and well publicised resource- and staff- deficiencies.
    
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    May 24, 2023 5:54pm
    - artemisia
      
      Complaint to the Health and Disabilities Commissioner?
      
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      May 25, 2023 6:10am
- NZer In Exile
  
  PBUH? Piss be upon him?
  
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  May 24, 2023 4:32pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  KW they make a big song and dance about their fake virtue signalling kindness, but behind the scenes pull actual brutal shit on the populace like what you just described.
  
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  May 24, 2023 4:36pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Keith you may want to look at the country to the west of you. Moving is a big deal. You’ll have to weigh that against the seriousness of your condition.
  
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  May 24, 2023 4:37pm
- miltonF
  
  I’m so sorry. Try changing your ethnicity to Māori or Pacific Islander and see if anything changes.
  
  (This was a joke a couple of years ago, but sadly I’m being serious now)
  
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  May 24, 2023 5:13pm
Maggie Pie

MANSLAUGHTER??!!

As my partner just said…no wonder this country is completely f~~ked.
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May 24, 2023 4:30pm
- Keith White
  
  What case is that MP?
  
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  May 24, 2023 4:46pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    He was referring to the 16 yo teenage boy shot dead in Chch.
    
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    May 24, 2023 5:17pm
    - Keith White
      
      Thnx.
      
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      May 24, 2023 5:50pm
- Ghost
  
  Should change the name to child slaughter. Big men killing an innocent boy. May your prison stay be a living hell, I hope you piss off a gang member in there
  
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  May 24, 2023 5:57pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    They’ll be treated like hero’s!
    
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    May 24, 2023 6:41pm
    - Keith White
      
      Whoever downticked MP is, at best, entirely detached from reality, and we sympathise with your pathophysiology. At worst, TINVOWOOT.
      
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      May 24, 2023 7:19pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        It’s just poor old milkey waxing the carrot 😀
        
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        May 24, 2023 7:28pm
      - Ghost
        
        The down voter down votes stories about murder, rape, child abuse, child sexual abuse, so you get a view of the kind of person they are to downvote things like that
        
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        May 24, 2023 7:31pm
greybeard

What IS the Reserve Bank ?
Who manages the Reserve Bank ?
Who chooses WHO should manage the Reserve Bank ?
What are the requirements for someone to run the Reserve Bank?
Who determines these requirements ?
What exactly ARE the requirements for managing the most important financial institution in NZ ?
Successful banking history ?
Successful investment history?
Long-term involvement in NZ grass-roots monetary policies ?

Does our current Reserve Bank Manager fulfil all of these requirements?
Does anyone know anything at all about our current Reserve Bank Manager?
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May 24, 2023 5:04pm
- miltonF
  
  Mmmhmm. I know what you are alluding to. The reserve bank isn’t REALLY independent from the govt are they? They must follow govt regulations and are hired and paid by the govt. It’s not really any different to any govt organisation. That’s why interest rates are much lower than they need to be to constrain inflation. That’s why interest rates dropped to 0.25% during Covid. That’s why Orr allowed the govt to go on a $60 billion spending spree. Independent my a***hole.
  
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  May 24, 2023 5:22pm
Keith White

I should apologise for asking you to commiserate with my predicament. After all, there’s this!

“Health Minister Andrew Little has announced a special taskforce to tackle delays in hospital waiting lists caused by the Covid-19 pandemic.”

“They will be responsible for delivering a national plan by September!”

Oh wait, that was September last year.

Never mind. At least there was an announcement of a deadline that should have been met.
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May 24, 2023 5:56pm
- Ghost
  
  Easy way to tackle the list is to listen to the surgeons, they had a plan down here to reduce the list using the private hospital, they were told no, don’t know if they have let them yet.
  
  But let’s look for a solution the Labour Party way
  
  I know, let’s get rid of the health boards, change the name of the health system, bring in apartheid, how about we spend millions changing the names of every sign around every hospital. And for giggles let’s change every single persons health record to include a pronoun.
  
  Hmmm, list is growing, not many died yet
  
  What else can we do to kill them off so we don’t have to waste money healing them.
  
  I know, let’s raise the points they will need to get their operations. Money saved and a good amount of them will die either waiting or from the pain meds they are taking,
  
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  May 24, 2023 6:07pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Another Labour trick:
  “They will be responsible for delivering a national plan by September!”
  Um, that could be a promise for 2030. No jokes.
  Another empty statement that can be a future in the year dot!!!!!
  
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  May 24, 2023 6:27pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

So, when did we hear this shit before? Lightbulbs, shower flow restrictors, use cold wash and still have stinky undies?
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/how-to-save-500-govt-suggests-kiwis-shorten-showers-limit-heating-temp-use-cold-wash-to-save-money/ar-AA1bBt3P
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May 24, 2023 6:23pm
- Ghost
  
  I have found an easier way kiwis could save money on their power bills. State owned power companies reduce their prices.
  
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  May 24, 2023 6:25pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You are not the trolling Mike – under one of his many VPNs are you?
    Could be, so I retract Ghost.
    
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    May 24, 2023 6:32pm
PeeJay

Anyone else catch cuddles Coster on HDPA this evening? Sheesh! What a bloody moron! Numbers are up……but their not……but they are…….erm reporting……..erm…….

Can only imagine what the front line think of Coster and the rest of bullshit castle (Police HQ).
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May 24, 2023 6:30pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/132135472/wnaka-man-lucky-to-be-alive-after-being-trapped-between-his-ute-and-home
“when his Mazda ute handbrake failed.”
Yeah, right.
The truth is: he got out of his ute, forgot to engage the handbrake, and paid the penalty.
Moral of the story: managers of supermarkets should stay away from all wheeled vehicles apart from shopping trollies.
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May 24, 2023 6:57pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://www.facebook.com/reel/6104255933025553
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May 24, 2023 6:58pm
Jack5

Electric cars should be charged a tax based on distance driven, as the vehicles damage roads more due to their extra weight, a British Tory think tank has proposed.

The Telegraph reports that the Centre for Policy Studies, which has close ties to the Government, said the current system of vehicle duty “treats motorists as a cash cow” and should be scrapped.

It warned that the longer ministers delay bringing in charges on battery powered cars, the more “politically difficult” the decision to do so will be.

The think tank said the Treasury faced a £25 billion budget black hole in the near future as receipts from fuel duty dwindled.

In New Zealand, duty on petrol and a diesel tax fund much of the country’s roading costs.
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May 24, 2023 7:42pm
Ghost

Here’s hoping the parole board don’t release him

Convicted murderer Mark Lundy will find out tomorrow if he will be released from jail – 23 years after he bludgeoned his wife and seven-year-old daughter to death.

Lundy, who maintains his innocence, has served 21 years behind bars for the double homicide of his wife Christine and daughter Amber at their Palmerston North home in 2000.

Tomorrow he will appear before the Parole Board to see if he is eligible for release. The hearing comes after he first appeared last August and told board members he was an innocent man.

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May 24, 2023 7:47pm
Maggie Pie

Other than 3 minute showers and not washing your hands after poos
Robbo suggests even further cost saving measure….
“Forget about Fathers Day”.

Elf said to be distrort 😀
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May 24, 2023 8:11pm
- Ghost
  
  At least they are not asking you to have 3 minute baths.
  
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  May 24, 2023 8:22pm
Hugh Jarse

Comrades

Please ensure that your showers are no longer than 3 minutes. If you suspect your neighbours are exceeding the approved level, please report these people to your local compliance commissar. Non compliance will not be tolerated.

Chief Commisar M Woods.
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May 24, 2023 9:16pm
Hugh Jarse

On a positive note, it’s great to see this showering time control, it means they know they are screwed and they are resorting to Clark era tactics to try and gain some measure of control. Too late, start clearing your desks and getting those shredders going, it’s over.
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May 24, 2023 9:21pm
- greybeard
  
  Hey Hugh: I know the Jarse family is related to the Biggin family, and I was wondering if you have ever met Ivor Biggin ?
  
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  May 25, 2023 4:09pm
Surely Knott

More Misinformation from the Smug Hermit Kingdom and their media lackeys?

Today Stuff asks “You can hold a kiwi in NZ, too. Do we have double standards?”

No they say. You’ve seen politicians holding kiwis at a kiwi release during the day in NZ
but the experts says “Although kiwi releases do sometimes happen during the day, where a member of the public might be able to touch the bird under direct supervision from an accredited professional, the process is done quickly to reduce the impact on the bird.”

But this is a misleading example from stuff.

The relevant example that they have written multiple articles on is that Sparky the NZ kiwi bird has been visiting schools in daylight for a pat with the schoolkids for 20 years.

He is a kiwi “advocacy” bird that is trained to stay up during the day and get pets from tourists and school groups alike.

The NZ pocket guide says ” Kiwi birds are nocturnal meaning that they usually forage for food at night and sleep during the day. However, because Sparky is an advocacy bird meaning that he is just for education purposes he has been acclimated to live during the day and sleep during the night like us humans.”

You can read about the pet Sparky experience on trip advisor.

So yes. We are being hypocritical and Stuff is framing the argument dishonestly by omitting the relevant example which is in their own paper.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/northland/whangarei-leader/73211415/save-kiwi-month-one-legged-sparky-visits-glenbervie-school

https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/300694033/the-onelegged-kiwi-thats-been-visiting-schools-for-20-years
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