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NeverMindTheBollocks

In light of the impending climate crisis, NeverMindTheBollocks hereby challenges Chris Hipkins to:

* Close every parking garage rented/owned by public agency head offices in Wellington.
* Close the Parliamentary garage also. Turn it into emergency accommodation.
* Sell the Ministerial BMWs & Audis & sack the chauffeurs.
* Issue every MP with a bicycle, with an electric bike for the fat, elderly or infirm. Or a bus pass.

If the climate crisis is as serious as you say, you’ll dismiss objections as short sighted denialism and confidently campaign on this overwhelmingly popular policy.
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May 22, 2023 8:00am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Public transport is for other people, surely you know this by now?
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:15am
  - Ehlana
    
    But he’s not advocating they take public transport. He’s going to give each of them their own bicycle.
    
    Though, surely, it is only the National and Act MPs who are still using cars?
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:19am
  - bjools
    
    Public transport???
    Q1
    With the number of cancellations, are the public being transported?
    Q2
    Have they figured out how transport a truck full of concrete or hot mix, one bucket at a time on a train or bus?
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:24am
    - Ehlana
      
      bjools, I’m not sure any of our MPs or public agency employees should be allowed access to concrete or hot mix.
      
      And I’m sure the drivers of those trucks are careful professionals who won’t accidentally run over any pedalling public servants.
      
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      May 22, 2023 11:14am
      - Bob
        
        who won’t accidentally run over any …….
        but may purposely run over some obnoxious pedalling public servants; ‘brakes failed officer’.
        
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        May 22, 2023 11:44am
      - Keith White
        
        Public servants should wear an armband or a badge when out in public. For their safety. Like they made us do in quarantine.
        
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        May 22, 2023 11:50am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Gosh, yes….
  
  That deal with NZ Steel that Hipkins and Shaw were lauding is only reducing our CO2 emissions by 1%.
  
  They really must do something about the other 99% or we will fry/drown/be blown away.
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:18am
  - BarryB
    
    On the subject of leadership stupidity – I wonder where all the electricity for the new electrical furnace at the steel works will come from. Surely not from imported inferior Indonesian coal at the Huntly power station………….
    I mean NZ has soooooo much excess power that warnings are issued every time there is a frost in the north island that the network possibly cant handle the need.
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:22am
    - hullkiwi
      
      It is going to come from all the electricity saved from all the houses retro fitted with insulation etc.
      
      Minister Megan was so in control of matters she was telling anyone who would listen that this scheme would be so successful that Genesis would be able to turn off one generator at Huntley. Really? ….and then yesterday we learn about the wonderous scheme at Glenbrook.
      
      My question is, does Megan, James and Hopkins actually know what they are doing & talking about?
      
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      May 22, 2023 9:39am
      - Paulus
        
        Unrealised or am I wrong, I suspect, they are leaving the Country in th biggest financial and social mess ever envisaged, since the Treaty.
        And it will not be them to clear it up but our Children and Grandchildren.
        But Maori will have all the answers as they will be in power after three terms of the new Government.
        Presumably those left will complain, along to the media, as to why the incoming Governemnet has not sorted it yet and bitch contiunuously.
        
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        May 22, 2023 10:44am
      - Taieri
        
        My question is, does Megan, James and Hopkins actually know what they are doing & talking about?
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        No.
        
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        May 22, 2023 11:46am
      - Bob
        
        what they are doing & talking about?……
        they certainly know what they are doing, it is scripted from the agenda; doubtful that they understand what they ARE TALKING ABOUT….certainly no one else understands their drivel.
        
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        May 22, 2023 11:47am
    - Xquenda Choudhury
      
      “I wonder where all the electricity for the new electrical furnace at the steel works will come from. ”
      
      That $140 million was the most stupid policy since Jacinda stopped gas exploration. Infinitely less damaging of course, but nevertheless exhibiting weapons grade stupidity.
      
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      May 22, 2023 9:45am
      - Drone
        
        Apparently @Xquenda Contact Energy have a plan to ensure that all the electricity required will come from wind farms and as such will be low-cost renewable. The other point loudly being made is that NZ has/will have a surplus of scrap cars to be recycled as we invest in EVs. Do I live on the same planet.
        
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        May 22, 2023 10:10am
      - alloytoo
        
        @Drone
        
        Lot of EV’s reaching end of life, ICE vehicles have more longevity.
        
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        May 22, 2023 11:11am
      - Burtland
        
        300MW for the furnace
        Manipouri 800MW
        Tararua (largest windfarm) 161MW
        
        Were creating electricity consumption faster than we can build capacity – wont the price of offpeak power now go up?
        
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        May 22, 2023 11:39am
      - Keith White
        
        In my time I have partied with drunken sailors in shore leave, and I have engaged in weapons practice while ‘Nervous in (Her Majesty’s) Service’ – as the saying used to be.
        
        To say that this government is spending money like drunken sailors at a level of weapons-grade stupidity, is a foul calumny at those whose pronouns are ‘weapon’ and ‘sailor’. Have y’all no shame!
        
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        May 22, 2023 11:53am
    - Ghost
      
      Really long extension lead from Aussie?
      
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      May 22, 2023 9:50am
      - pdm
        
        Ghost aren’t Aussies on renewables with more blackouts than ever before?
        
        Don’t put them on any extension cord because the slippery Albo will be pinching New Zealands power within a week.
        
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        May 22, 2023 10:58am
  - Phronesis
    
    More likely to increase it by 1%. The idiots seem to have forgotten that we burn imported coal to generate the electricity for their clean electric furnace. Conversion and transmission losses will make the coal powered electric furnace half as efficient as the old coal fired one is. $140 million spent to increase our CO2 output. It’s almost as if there is some ulterior motive…
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:35am
    - rangitoto
      
      I hear Bluescope Steel shareholders are happy about it.
      
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      May 22, 2023 9:47am
    - Paulus
      
      Why should we, the taxpayers, pay for thisnew furnace as the Company is a private one and well profitable.
      Green Votes I suppose.
      
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      May 22, 2023 10:46am
    - Ruawai
      
      Surely better to burn the coal at Glenbrook rather than burning it at Huntly then sending it through the wires to Glenbrook.
      
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      May 22, 2023 1:31pm
- KH
  
  And make all our civil servants pay for their own transport from Wellington airport into the city.
  Currently it’s hundreds of taxi’s. One behind the other every weekday morning.
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:20am
- pdm
  
  Megan Woods, Gerry Brownlee and Rino Tirakatene on bikes?
  
  Scary thought.
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:21am
  - alwyn.a
    
    Have you seen the Minister of Finance lately?
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:57am
    - Burtland
      
      so hes feasting on more than the tax payer
      
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      May 22, 2023 11:43am
    - G152
      
      No.
      Fortunately
      
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      May 22, 2023 1:01pm
    - kisekiman
      
      Perhaps he has plans for a fast track visa lane for fit young Filipino pedal tuk tuk operators to help transform personal public transport into a net zero reality.
      
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      May 22, 2023 1:37pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Ouch!
        
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        May 22, 2023 1:58pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jimmy wants a BMW bike.
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:32am
- Matt Long
  
  This goes well with my idea for a utopian society.
  The Climate Virtue club, people with superior moral can join the Climate Virtue Club.
  Members will only, walk cycle or use public transportation.
  They will require the Electricity Authority to turn their power off rather than burn coal.
  They will never use an airplane.
  They will euthanise their pets and not get another.
  They will not use resource hungry electronic devices.
  They will eat no food that includes evil carbon.
  With more than ten percent of the population voting green, they will make a significant statement by their example, and lose the title of self righteous hypocracy by not vocally attacking or trying to blame others.
  How about it? Stephen Tindall? James Shaw? Millsie? XR? Or all talky, no walky?
  
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  May 22, 2023 10:23am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Bollocks bro – the eternal Leader of the Opposition Luxon took a cab across the road to reach Parliament. Just sayin… Never mind the bollocks as they say…
  
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  May 22, 2023 11:34am
  - Nickc2
    
    He had to take a cab to get around the Road Cones and some overzealous racist people with Stop/Go signs.
    
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    May 22, 2023 2:01pm
kiwikidsnz

The European Parliament wouldn’t have been the first organisation to come to my mind as Covid conspiracy theorists…haven’t seen any mainstream media reports on this shocking testimony yet.

Setting the scene in minutes 13 to 35.

https://youtu.be/bFLPWWCAHfQ
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May 22, 2023 8:00am
Mike

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Happy International Day for Biological Diversity!
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May 22, 2023 8:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  At last people can find out if they are a boy or girl with the science, instead of some weird idea in their heads.
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:09am
  - Mike
    
    Are you still confusing the concept of biological sex with the concept of gender?
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:24am
    - Xquenda Choudhury
      
      There is no difference between the two.
      
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      May 22, 2023 9:48am
    - Matt Long
      
      That’s the clever propaganda trick isn’t it Mike, take two words that mean the same thing and redefine one to manipulate society into swallowing a a new lie.
      Like Baby/Fetus.
      
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      May 22, 2023 10:30am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Mike knows this of course.
        Hey Mike, we know that you know that we know.
        
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        May 22, 2023 10:50am
      - Burtland
        
        old Marxist playbook – How to Dissemble and Manipulate Others.
        
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        May 22, 2023 11:50am
      - Bridgenag
        
        Don’t you think you are giving him what he want by engaging. The days without the various Mike forms are so much better
        
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        May 22, 2023 12:53pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        There are only 5 Bridgenag.
        
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        May 22, 2023 3:49pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Gender is not a “concept” mike. It was not that long ago that man believing he was a woman was considered to have mental health issues. Just like a schizophrenic, or someone suffering pi-polar. In fact, gender dysphoria was considered to be a “delusion”, which of course falls under schizophrenia. Now, we have lunatics telling us that a man can be a woman and vice-versa (and men can get pregnant, can you believe that?), and we HAVE to believe it. Crazy times we live in mike, crazy.
      
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      May 22, 2023 11:04am
    - Taieri
      
      Are you still confusing the concept of biological sex
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      There’s is no “concept” of “biological” sex. It simply is!
      How do you think, you were created?
      
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      May 22, 2023 11:52am
    - Mike
      
      Perhaps a biologist reading the comments above could clear this up.
      
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      May 22, 2023 12:27pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Strangely enuf,….
        I am a biologist and know quite a bit about gender…
        
        I first came across the concept in the 3rd form in French…. a gendered language… Nouns can be masculine or feminine.
        
        Then, horrors… Latin:
        nouns and adjectives fall into 3 genders… Masculine, feminine and neuter.
        
        and that’s where Gender should remain…..with languages and words.
        
        However, in the 1980s… some plant biologists began to look at the manner in which plants vary their sexual expression with season, or growth..
        
        The poisoned Professor – David Lloyd of Canterbury Uni -was one of the main researchers in the field of plant gender.
        
        https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1558-5646.1980.tb04795.x
        
        But whatever gender a plant is assigned to at any time (male, female, hermaphrophite (bisexual), monecious, dioecious, androdioecious, trimonoecious, gymonoecious, polygamous, trioecious, etc)…
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_reproductive_morphology
        
        it’s all to do with sex.
        
        (Humans are pretty boring from a reproductive point of view)
        
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        May 22, 2023 3:01pm
      - Mike
        
        Nicely avoiding the issue without claiming that gender=sex.
        
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        May 22, 2023 6:51pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        You really can’t go beyond H.W. Fowler “Modern English usage”
        
        gender (n), is a grammatical term only.
        To talk of persons or creatures of the masculine or feminine g., meaning of the male or female sex, is either a jocularity or a blunder.
        
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        May 22, 2023 7:05pm
      - Mike
        
        Fowler died in 1933. Has the study of English, or biology, remained static since then?
        
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        May 22, 2023 7:15pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Oh… you want a modern lexicographer…
        How about a Gizzy Boy?
        
        “gender refers to words; as a synonym for sex it is jocular and archaic.”
        
        Eric Partridge: Usage & Abusage
        
        Best not to abuse the English language, eh?
        
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        May 22, 2023 7:57pm
    - Centrist
      
      I think you need an English lesson as well as a science one. Gender actually is biological too. As a word and meaning it is biological. Study the etymology.
      
      The root word (inadvertent pun) is gen which means something produces or is produced:
      
      Examples are gene, genetic/s, progeny, generate/generation, genus, genesis, congenital, genitals…
      I could go on.
      
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      May 22, 2023 1:49pm
      - Mike
        
        If you rely on etymology for your understanding of contemporary meaning of particular words you will be led to many misunderstandings.
        
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        May 22, 2023 7:01pm
    - JohnRidd
      
      I don’t think it is widely known the term “gender identity” was invented by a New Zealander who was born in Morrinsville in 1921.
      His name was John William Money.
      
      https://embryo.asu.edu/pages/david-reimer-and-john-money-gender-reassignment-controversy-johnjoan-case
      
      He also came up with the concept of “gender assigned at birth” when referring to intersex children. At that time, an intersex child was called an hermaphrodite.
      
      He also coined the term “paraphilia” instead of “perversion”.
      
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      May 22, 2023 2:15pm
      - Mike
        
        Apart from the present circus surrounding the inability of Gore residents to choose suitable civic representatives, the town is principally known for country music and the home of John Money’s notable art collection.
        
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        May 22, 2023 7:08pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Good art collection, though. Makes Gore worth a visit.
        
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        May 22, 2023 7:16pm
- BarryB
  
  Its interesting to note that surgery for gender change only offers two types of outcome – male or female.
  
  Also the people digging up old skeletons also only ever find two genders – male or female. Never ever have they found a third type…….
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:59am
  - herb1
    
    No it’s just that the medical procedure to change to genders other than male or female are done by Psychiatrists
    
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    May 22, 2023 10:49am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    BarryB – the third type is Green.
    
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    May 22, 2023 11:35am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Male and female ?
  
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  May 22, 2023 10:18am
  - Bridgenag
    
    Have sent to the editor the best video yet about this topic. Too hard for me to convert from video to a form everyone can reach……hope someone clever does it
    
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    May 22, 2023 12:54pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Apropos of the theft of $140m+ from taxpayer’s pockets being gifted to NZ Steel, one unasked question is whether there is sufficient scrap steel available; a second is whether the carbon cost of shipping that scrap steel to Glenbrook has been factored into the headline figures.
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May 22, 2023 8:01am
- kowtow
  
  The way these things are heralded by the msm you’d think we were in the Make Glorious People’s Democratic Republic of Somewhere Or Other .
  
  Anyway ,utter madness ; stone broke and still spending up bigly on the secular religion , any dissenters being treated like blasphemers of old .
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:06am
  - Dougal10
    
    Our MSM just copy and paste the press release . If they say anything slightly different it is just the press release put through ChatGP and then printed.
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:34am
  - Xquenda Choudhury
    
    There was a passionate discussion on the matter in yesterday’s GD.
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:50am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Crazy. There is coal in the ground close by, and a lot of iron sand. It is there, but we cant use it now.//
  
  A question, is NZ still exporting ironsand?
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:20am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  NZ Steel hasn’t been owned by NZ taxpayers for over 30 years.
  
  Surely it’s time to rename it as Ozzie Steal.
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:22am
  - BarryB
    
    Its like the fuel retailer ‘Z’ saying the Z was for New Zealand. They are owned 100% by the same people who closed down the refinery – AMPOL – an Australian company.
    
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    May 22, 2023 10:01am
    - Matt Long
      
      That’s right, it’s reported by NZME that there’s 6 fuel retailers in Whangarei, actually, there’s 3 plus Ampol.
      I’m still wondering if the purchase of Z by Ampol was conditional on the refinery closing to make their Australian assets more viable.
      
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      May 22, 2023 10:34am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That refinery. It should have been bought back by the Govt.
      There was a ship loaded with Avgas that was contaminated. It could have been refined to Diesel I think. But NZ sent the ship away.
      Did that cost anything? I never found out – all very quiet.
      
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      May 22, 2023 10:56am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      If you are talking about the refinery at Marsden Point, it is owned by NZ Refining, which, if memory serves me correctly, has as it’s biggest shareholder, Exxon Mobil 14%. Ampol hold about 12% and BP 8%. So it is highly unlikely that Ampol closed the refinery. They would have had some influence. The biggest reason the refinery business was shut down was the current Government and Minister of Energy. Because: Morons.
      
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      May 22, 2023 11:14am
- Drone
  
  @NMTB apparently we have/will have a surplus of old vehicles to be recycled when we all buy EVs.. Problem solved, apart from getting them to Glenbrook. But we will solve that one too with the electrification of the railway system thus enabling low-cost transport for those dead cars. Or maybe it’s the 300,000 cars that are currently in Christchurch that are going to be recycled…
  
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  May 22, 2023 10:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Rail electrification. What is electrified up here in Auckland is different to Wellington electrification. You can not run the same engine from Wellington to Auckand.
    Sounds like there are three different systems, but I don’t know why. I have seen photos of a wire in Wellington that had ice on it. The power was arcing over and under. Many reports of fire, but it wasn’t fire.
    
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    May 22, 2023 11:07am
- rockape
  
  Maybe a really bad time to buy anEV.
  
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  May 22, 2023 11:16am
  - Burtland
    
    Theyre shifting industry onto off-peak power – these applications are supposed to load shed at peak times.
    
    Be interesting to see what happens to cheap off-peak power prices
    
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    May 22, 2023 12:16pm
Bridgenag

Energy-transitioner-in-chief Patrick Graichen resigns, in the first serious setback to the climate cabal strangling Germany

…..”you have to understand that the transition to renewable energy is no joke. If it’s ever fully accomplished, it will mean the immiseration and deindustrialisation of Germany. Until 2022, it has been managed very carefully, as the slow boiling of a frog. Ever more windmills, ever more solar installations, ever more expensive electricity, but nothing so sudden or drastic as to cause alarm……..”

https://open.substack.com/pub/eugyppius/p/energy-transitioner-in-chief-patrick?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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May 22, 2023 8:04am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  “immiseration and deindustrialisation”
  Net Zero in a nutshell.
  Isn’t there a name we give to people who want to wreck a country?
  Our leaders should be working to make our lives better, not worse.
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:49am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The name is “JA”
    
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    May 22, 2023 11:08am
Bridgenag

Sunday Strip: Just Trust Us.
Beware of the ongoing invasion of many blood sucking insects!
https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/sunday-strip-just-trust-us?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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May 22, 2023 8:04am
Chuck Bird

Peter Dutton says the Liberals will support nuclear power generation.

I was hoping Mike Hosking would ask Shaw about nuclear power generation. If Shaw honestly believed the world would overheat because of CO2 he would support nuclear.
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May 22, 2023 8:05am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hosking said he was going to ask Shaw about Nuclear; did he not ask in the end?
  
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  May 22, 2023 8:12am
- Nickc2
  
  Shaw’s not about the world overheating!
  James Shaw’s all about crippling industry and thus wiping out Rich Pricks and imposing Socialism/Communism on humanity IMO.
  
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  May 22, 2023 8:22am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The Green Party (and most of the faux environmentalists around the world) are zealots and ideologues pushing a fake narrative. Provably fake. It is religion, not science. Same as with covid. Same as with trans issues. None of it is based on reality.
  
  Similar to covid. The only way they can justify their lunatic position is by refusing to acknowledge the actual evidence and by shutting down anyone daring to disagree or dissent.
  
  It is why they will never agree to open debate – they know they will be eviscerated with anyone with even a basic grasp of the actual facts around energy creation and the multifaceted aspects of creation, transformation and the manufacture of components, their lifespan and methods of disposal/recycle.
  They could never win such a debate, so silencing critics is all they have. Just like covid. Just like the transgender issue. The louder they scream, the more you know this is true.
  
  I posted yesterday that there will never be a risk/benefit analysis done on comparisons between the various methods of mass energy creation and storage or between electric vehicles vs ICE vehicles.
  Certainly not one report that includes every single aspect of how the resources needed for manufacture are acquired, sustainability of those resources, but in particular the costs associated with how these resources are dealt with when they come to the end of their useful life. Batteries are especially worthy of a close look.
  
  One commenter, KH, ridiculed my claim. I responded early this morning so it will likely be missed. I’ll repeat it here.
  
  I can’t prove a negative KH, that’s impossible. So you need to find me the reports that, if you are to be believed, must exist to prove that renewable energy does have a more positive cost/benefit than what currently exists.
  I look forward to reading those reports.
  
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  May 22, 2023 8:27am
  - KH
    
    That:s a dodgy post ClanMcleod.
    You distort what you said yesterday.
    And this is what I actually said so don’t distort that either.
    You did make specific claims.
    “………..@ ClanMcleod “I’m sure if the comparison was permitted to be truthfully carried out”.
    That’s a rubbish comment. Tell us an example where it’s not permitted. And who did not permit it. Be precise….”
    Not. Not asking you to prove a negative.
    So. — examples please.
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:32am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      KH – I clearly said there are no reports. You said give you an example where it’s “not” permitted. If it’s “not” permitted it doesn’t exist. That’s a negative, or am I missing something?
      I’ve never seen such examples, hence I can’t provide them for you.
      
      You clearly believe there are accurate and provable comparisons, I’m asking you to provide them. That request still stands.
      
      There was ZERO distortion. Anyone wanting to revisit the post, it’s on yesterday’s GD, early hours of this morning. Can’t believe I’ve had to somehow clarify this again……
      
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      May 22, 2023 10:06am
      - KH
        
        Sigh.
        a. You said yesterday. “….….I’m sure if the comparison was permitted…”. Meaning it’s not permitted. I asked for examples,and by who.
        b. You claim I clearly believe these reports exist. I never said they did. Your imagination ran wild there.
        I believe less in conspiracy. – ie your mysterious not permitters. More of a believer in incompetence myself.
        Go well
        
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        May 22, 2023 10:36am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        KH – sigh…..it’s not a conspiracy.
        
        https://www.un.org/en/climatechange/google-search-information
        
        Google teams up with UN for verified climate information
        
        Like covid, a single source of truth, what could possibly go wrong? //
        
        Here’s Jimmy Dore skewering it.
        
        https://youtu.be/KrAw1HGeH4o
        
        WEF – “We own the science”.
        
        Information is being actively suppressed. Debate is being shut down. Fact.
        
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        May 22, 2023 11:47am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Best you two ignore each other. Trying to win the debate is not working for you.
    Sorry.
    
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    May 22, 2023 11:12am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      SO – see my post above yours re the UN partnering Google to control the climate change narrative. That worked out well for covid eh?
      
      What I said is true, genuine comparisons aren’t permitted to see the light of day.
      The same as evidence of vaccine harms, inappropriate interventions with those who caught covid and were at risk, cover up of evidence of simple, effective, cheap treatments etc etc etc.
      Climate was always the pivot after covid had done the early dirty work.
      
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      May 22, 2023 2:52pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Interesting isn’t it? The whole thing is changing, and this is the beginning.
        Dictatorship by data! “We own the science” Ha!
        They own the pathway we use for science.
        
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        May 22, 2023 4:03pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Meanwhile in NYC, as they shut down nuclear and fossil-fuel power plants there is no Plan B. That’s not reporter hyperbole either but from the horses mouth:
  
  At an IPPNY convention in the fall, DEC commissioner Basil Seggos was asked how the state planned to “bridge” the gap until renewable power comes online.
  
  “Listen, I don’t think there is a plan B, alright,” Seggos said. “And I mean that seriously about our opportunity right now, I don’t think we have a plan B. I think that we are on the edge right now when it comes to global climate change and emissions, I really firmly believe that. So we have one shot to get this right. That’s what makes this so challenging.”
  
  That’s what makes it so irresponsible. BTW, they caused their own problems with CO2 emissions:
  
  The 2021 shutdown of the Indian Point nuclear power plant led to near-total dependence on fossil fuels to produce electricity in New York’s energy-hungry downstate region, and surging amounts of heat-trapping carbon dioxide in the air.
  
  A report issued last month by the New York Independent System Operator, which runs the state’s electric grid, shows that in 2021, 89% of downstate energy came from natural gas and oil, up from 77% the previous year when both of Indian Point’s two reactors were still running.
  
  Idiots. Callous idiots too.
  
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  May 22, 2023 8:50am
  - Inandout
    
    TH, they continue to vote Dem Mayors and Governors so there is part of the problem. Many wealthy people have fled that State and taken their businesses with them.
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:42am
  - Phronesis
    
    They’re only idiots if you believe them when they say they are trying to save the world from climate change. Their actions don’t match up with their words. But the real idiots are the people who believe the politicians words instead of assuming that they are achieving exactly what they intend to, the destruction of the free market economy. So who’s the idiot?
    
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    May 22, 2023 10:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I really think these loopy greens end goal is to reduce CO2 so much that photosynthesis suffers, so less grass, so herd reductions are necessary.//
  Dumb? Well these Greens think different to normal people.
  
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  May 22, 2023 8:55am
  - kowtow
    
    But it’s not just the Greens , net zero or whatever they call it is main stream .
    
    Utter madness. Like the covid scam.
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:09am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    That’s fine Steve. We’ll simply buy our meat from supermarkets, won’t make any difference whatsoever.
    
    Oh, wait…
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:27am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      There are some that should see out the back of supermarkets, to be shown that meat does not grow there. Yes I am serious, there are really bloody stupid people on this planet.
      
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      May 22, 2023 9:45am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Chuck,
  
  New Zealand does not need nuclear before 2050/2060. There are three reasons.
  First, there is substantial future opportunities in wind, hydro, geothermal and to a lesser extent solar.
  Second, Manapouri will available sometime in the next 25 years.
  Three, New Zealand will wait for the new generation nuclear, especially modular, to be well proven. That will take though to 2050, given that the first western modular reactor is yet to enter service. That is likely to be around 2030 at the earliest.
  
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  May 22, 2023 8:55am
  - kevn
    
    @wayne… Sounds like the Akld harbour bridge. Second crossing not needed until. When?
    Until it is desperately needed.
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:06am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Opened in 1959, but was needed way before then.
      
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      May 22, 2023 11:18am
  - kowtow
    
    “NZ will wait”.
    
    It does make sense to let the true leaders lead and then buy a proven technology .
    
    On that basis why are we pumping millions into the latest alchemist fad , “green” hydrogen.
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:11am
  - pdm
    
    Wayne isn’t substantial infrastructure required to get Manapouri Power north when it does become available?
    
    Who pays for that if any future Government actually gets round to doing it?
    
    I know – the poor suckers known as taxpayers.
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:26am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    NZ needs nuclear like yesterday. Glenbrook and EVs are going to force us into long power outages and rationing. Profit still has to be made, so what does that mean? More money for less power.
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:49am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Wayne – I believe that all of the “sustainable” energy production models you mention are more harmful to the environment than coal and gas powered generation. I believe that ICE vehicles are less harmful to the planet and more energy efficient than electric vehicles. I believe this to be true when all of the factors required for the various processes involved in generating the power are accounted for. In particular, the problem with disposal of components, like batteries and wind turbines, once their useful life is over.
    
    Do you have any source of evidence you can point me to that proves otherwise? I’m actually a fan of renewable energy when it’s feasible, or alternatives are impossible. I live fully off grid so you could say I “walk the walk”. But I believe the push for “net zero” is almost as stupid as the push for “zero road deaths”. Pipe dreams, totally unachievable.
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:51am
  - rangitoto
    
    Hydro is a non starter. Any further attempts to dam rivers will go nowhere. There is also increasing resistance to wind and geothermal.
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:53am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      I have a book released in 1960 featuring all the towns and geographical features of NZ. It features plans for four hydro stations on the Motu river and a huge dam on the Wanganui River which would result in a lake 90 miles long. These were going to happen in the next few years.
      If only.
      
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      May 22, 2023 10:13am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        What about the poor birdies and the frogs and the snails?
        
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        May 22, 2023 11:23am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      That’s the point isn’t it, the cost of manufacture of a wind turbine, the materials involved, the difficulty of finding appropriate locations, the cost of construction in these locations, the inconsistent and unreliable power output, the high cost of maintenance, the high cost of disposal at the end of a relatively short life.
      It goes on, and on, and on.
      
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      May 22, 2023 10:14am
      - david
        
        Aaah but think of all the carbon (carbon fibre widely used in turbine blade manufacture) that is permanently sequestered in those blades that will last forever and never break down in the soil or atmosphere. The equivalent to millions of tonnes of CO2 (cos as I understand it a couple of gallons of avgas generates tonnes and tonnes of CO2) must be locked away in those never-to-rot blades. Saving the planet surely. AND that must have a positive value on the global warming equation – somehow, surely, ….. No?
        
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        May 22, 2023 3:49pm
  - alwyn.a
    
    I suggest that you try reading this article by Bryan Layland on why we need Nuclear Power.
    
    https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2023/05/bryan-leyland-wind-and-solar-power-need.html
    
    The problem with our “renewable” energy sources, primarily wind and solar is that they are unreliable and that you have to have back up supplies. Ultimately you have to have 100% backup because on a calm cold evening in winter you may have no wind or solar generation at all available.
    
    As the final lines of Bryan’s material says.
    
    “But if we had 100 per cent nuclear backup for solar and wind, we wouldn’t need the wind and solar plants at all!
    Wind and solar are, in fact, completely pointless.”
    
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    May 22, 2023 10:12am
    - Ghost
      
      Honest question about nuclear, what about damage from an earthquake?
      
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      May 22, 2023 10:16am
      - Xquenda Choudhury
        
        AFAIK seismic hazards are not a show stopper for nuclear reactors.
        
        In the case of the Fukushima nuclear disaster in Japan, my understanding is that it was the tsunami that caused the disaster. The reactors shut down when they detected the earthquake. However, the tsunami led to flooding which caused the failure of the emergency generators and loss of power to the circulating pumps.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_nuclear_disaster
        
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        May 22, 2023 10:50am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Small Modular Reactors placed in places not prone.
        They can stick one on my back lawn for a price.
        
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        May 22, 2023 11:29am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Presumably if they can “earthquake proof” buildings in Wellington they should be able to construct such a building safely?
        
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        May 22, 2023 11:50am
  - Drone
    
    @Wayne given that at this minute 10:25 Monday 22 May 2023 we are currently generating approx 200 MW from the wind from an installed base of 1,000 MW, I cannot see how we are realistically going to grow our wind farm capability significantly in the next twenty years. Given it will take between 10 and 20 years to get a nuclear power plant online somebody somewhere should be planning for it now. Maybe with your political connections, you have some inside information but I suspect Megan is hoping the next generation of pies will heat themselves.
    
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    May 22, 2023 10:30am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      The problem with starting the planning now is that the Modular reactors are still some years away. The first (Nuscale) won’t be in operation until around 2030. I guess quite a few will come into service in the 2030’s. Only then would the New Zealand energy providers seriously look at the option.
      On that basis, there is no point in starting serious planning till 2035 at the earliest.
      
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      May 22, 2023 11:19am
      - bjools
        
        How aboutr buying a couple of old US nuclear subs and parking them in Whangarei and Auckland?
        Maybe the Truxton is available?
        
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        May 22, 2023 11:23am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        SMRs are being manufactured now, but I think in the development stage. Not sure if an order can be placed yet.
        NZ has to go nuclear full stop. There is no other way. Solar is shit, wind is shit.
        
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        May 22, 2023 11:43am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Unfortunately, nuclear means a big shitfight with the Greens and the Green supporters.
      
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      May 22, 2023 11:47am
      - sirknz
        
        You mean ‘low info, emotional & intellectual midgets’…
        
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        May 22, 2023 1:17pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yes S.
        Pond bottom feeders.
        
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        May 22, 2023 4:11pm
  - bjools
    
    Considering kiwibuild
    They better start now.
    
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    May 22, 2023 11:13am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Not yet, maybe next year when the fucker uppers are not in Govt.
      
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      May 22, 2023 11:45am
  - alloytoo
    
    Wayne, Wind and solar are a waste of time and will need to renewed (or abandoned) in the time frames you specify.
    
    However what you fail to realize is the opportunity Nuclear represents to eradicate energy poverty and the associate social ills.
    
    Imagine flat rate power bills with supply which is independent of the weather or the season. None of that is pie in the sky that is with existing technology. Now imagine the opportunities provided by Modular nuclear reactors, bringing stability and security to remote communities which currently lie at the end of fragile grids.
    
    It’s frankly criminal that these opportunities aren’t being taken up.
    
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    May 22, 2023 11:25am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Wayne, just your personal opinion, or you are giving us NZ National Party policy?
    
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    May 24, 2023 1:22pm
Simon

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Luxon lying about govt spending causing inflation. Massive disruption of general society by out-of-control govt departments is what is really happening. ( Labo isn’t in charge of shit, except managing grift for iwi).

Closing Auckland harbour bridge, to fuck around with general population, for no real reason by an out of control govt department just last week’s eg.

Is Luxon sending coded messages to govt departments via inflation. Ie you clowns are on notice. Or is Luxon just gaslighting the general population?

Does Luxon /National really know how NZ is being run into the ground or he doesn’t know, or does know and its all too hard.
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May 22, 2023 8:05am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I think the fact these muppets are using an extra 60 billion a year and still can’t balance the books may suggest Labour is gaslighting.
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:11am
  - pdm
    
    As the saying used to be when I worked in the BNz.
    
    The current government `could not balance shit on a shovel’.
    
    There is a proviso here – 90% of the current lot would not know what a shovel is or what it is used for.
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:28am
    - nathie
      
      That 90% of the current lot will then get confused when they see that infamous photo of Phil Goff at a beach wearing a suit and using a shovel.
      
      Light bulb ding moment! It must be for preventing sea level rise surely!
      
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      May 22, 2023 9:43am
      - Ehlana
        
        Good point. If enough of them go to the beach with shovels and dig a big enough hole, the sea level rise will drain away to China. They’ve got lots of people, they could use the extra water.
        
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        May 22, 2023 11:37am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Ehlana,
        Nope. Best way is two empty milk containers. Go to the beach or river, fill them and store them in the kitchen cupboard. 4 liters from everyone in the World (7 billion) is a lot of water taken out of the system.
        
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        May 22, 2023 11:53am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        That was when the Rena went aground and broke up, was that [Use proper names, mod.] , or was it Shearer
        
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        May 22, 2023 2:41pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Out-of-control government departments” probably includes ‘spending’
  I could be wrong.
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:52am
- Drone
  
  @Simon the government creates and funds government departments and then sets them tasks. Government departments don’t just do things because it’s fun..
  
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  May 22, 2023 10:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Of course they do it for fun.
    Ring the Ministry of Women’s Affairs and ask to speak to the bloke in charge.
    
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    May 22, 2023 11:55am
    - sirknz
      
      https://media.tenor.com/4LvBFXNMkkkAAAAM/it-is-maam-its-maam.gif
      
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      May 22, 2023 1:22pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        🙂 Waste of space that one.
        
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        May 22, 2023 4:13pm
- bjools
  
  Results would suggest he is correct.
  People can’t get operations
  Maintenance of public transport not being done (kiwirail debacle)
  Massive ER wait times
  record low levels of immunization
  No real work started on Gabrielle storm damage
  high interest rates
  All point to fiscal mismanagement.
  The list is L O N G…….
  
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  May 22, 2023 11:21am
slightlyrighty

So I see that James Shaw’s big announcement that the government is giving $140 million for NZ Steel to go Electric is blowing up in his face.

On the AM show, when the host pointed out that the Aussie Company behind this NZ Subsidiary is paying billions to set up a new Coal Fired Steel Plant in Aussie, Shaw had no idea.

Also….

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/130935028/tasman-steel-posts-340m-profit-with-benefit-of-117m-of-free-carbon-credits

We already subsidised this business to the tune of $117 Million last year, and now we are giving them another 140 million?

How much are we giving them in Carbon Credits this year as well?

The Aussies have shafted us again. Reminds me of Toll Holdings.
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May 22, 2023 8:05am
- Loddenthinks
  
  For the Aussies it’s like taking candy from a baby.
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:30am
- Xquenda Choudhury
  
  “the Aussie Company behind this NZ Subsidiary is paying billions to set up a new Coal Fired Steel Plant in Aussie”
  
  Shaw would say something like “He is not responsible for Australia’s emissions”.
  
  The problem of course is that it is ONLY global emissions that matter.
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:55am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  How is that relevant to NZ? This is about converting NZ Steel at Glenbrook, not about building power plants in Australia.
  
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  May 22, 2023 11:21am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Wayne, if nothing else, it serves to highlight the folly of throwing taxpayer money at a local solution where the global effect is countered by developments in other countries.
    
    The fact that in this case, the development in question is being undertaken by the parent company of the very business entity in NZ that has just helped itself to another 140 million of our money is just rubbing salt in the wound.
    
    It’s not about power plants.
    
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    May 22, 2023 3:56pm
  - michael_s2
    
    Jeez, Wayne!
    
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    May 22, 2023 4:44pm
  - Ghost
    
    Or, more to the point this is about giving a hugely profitable Australian company some free tax payer cash. Oh well, at least it isn’t a dodgy Saudi farm. Seems politicians just love giving away money to foreigners while New Zealanders are struggling. Shit it’s not as though we need the money….. oh wait we do
    
    If only politicians would realise we aren’t a bloody open wallet for them to keep taking and taking from.
    
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    May 22, 2023 4:51pm
  - Aquarius
    
    I used to think that Mike made the most inane comments on kiwiblog.
    
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    May 22, 2023 7:52pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      And he’s not a former Cabinet Minister.
      
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      May 22, 2023 11:34pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Relevant because NZ screwing itself without lube benefits nobody in this case?
    
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    May 24, 2023 1:24pm
Tauhei Notts

The wonderful Papers-Past site set up by the National Library is one of our country’s treasures.
I compared newspaper reports of Crete; 21 to 24 May 1941, with coverage of the siege of Bakhmut from early Saturday until today.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
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May 22, 2023 8:09am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Which coverage are you talking about? BBC, MSNBC, RT, Al Jazeera? Or one of the various bloggers online reporting with numerous perspectives and biases?
  If you believe you have access to the provable truth please share it. I’ll believe it when the dust settles and we hopefully get some accurate information.
  
  The only thing that is apparently without doubt is that the Russians have taken the city, though the BBC agrees with Zelensky that the Russians don’t occupy the city.
  
  Ukraine war: Bakhmut ‘not occupied’ by Russia, says defiant Zelensky.
  
  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65662563
  
  The basis for this headline is:
  
  “But Ukrainian military sources told the BBC they still had control of a handful of buildings on the outskirts of the city.”
  
  I don’t know, but it sounds to me like the Russians have taken the city? Maybe the Ukrainians are using those “handful of buildings on the outskirts” as the basis of a counter offensive?
  
  Zelensky apparently walked back his comment from a couple of days ago when he said: “today Bakhmut is only in our hearts”. That sounds like an admission of loss of the city to me, but maybe he was misinterpreted?
  
  As for the Russian losses in this battle, who would know. Same with Ukrainian losses. They are undoubtedly horrific all round and I find attempts to justify either side’s “gains” by measuring them in terms of how many young lives were wasted to win a political point, quite repulsive.
  
  Saying that, I wonder whatever happened to the young Zelensky as per this video where he actively speaks in support of Russian speakers in the East, particularly Crimea and Donbass?
  
  https://youtu.be/odwyJpLEVAc
  
  Mark Crispin Millar asks, is it the money? Did someone put a horse’s head at the bottom of his bed? He campaigned on negotiating and agreement between the factions who had been fighting since 2014, but seemed to drop that very quickly after coming to “power”.
  
  The fog of war and all that……
  
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  May 22, 2023 8:54am
  - rangitoto
    
    Bakhmut is pretty much a pile of rubble. AFU are currently eroding the Russky flanks. Will be interesting to see how it turns out. They haven’t deployed any of the new gear like Bradleys and Leopards yet.
    
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    May 22, 2023 10:05am
    - kowtow
      
      One source , very pro Russian ,says the Wagners will now be rotated out for some r and r , refitting etc and will be redeployed in a cuppla months to some other theatre there.
      The place now left to regular Ivans to hold .
      Be interesting to see what transpires .
      
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      May 22, 2023 11:29am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      rangitoto – yes, Bakhmut resembles Hiroshima and the death toll on both sides is likely similar. Tragic.
      
      The new equipment will possibly make a difference but I have my doubts, particularly with MBTs. They take a LOT of time to train on. As you say, we’ll see how it transpires but a tragedy for so many young men and their families.
      
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      May 22, 2023 11:58am
Tomtoddy

We are going to make steel on fine, windy days only. Far and few between in Auckland. Not sure what fine is any more.
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May 22, 2023 8:15am
- Prince
  
  ‘Fine’ is when the media repeat your Press Releases and fancy powerpoint pressos verbatim, and ask no questions,
  
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  May 22, 2023 8:21am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  One thing you CANNOT do in a steel plant is stop production apart from planned stops.
  As soon as the crucibles etc cool down you have a major problem.
  
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  May 22, 2023 8:21am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It is not a stell plant that is being electrified, it is a scrap steel re heat process, i think the new steel will still be done with coal, but i could be wrong, but they are saying this is for scrap steel, the new steel will not go through the same process.
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:14am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Scrap steel or crap steel?
      
      The reason Glenbrook’s steel has been favoured is because our iron sands produce a good product…
      
      Recycled Japanese car bodies and Chinese junk steel will produce what quality of steel?
      (Genuine question….).
      
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      May 22, 2023 9:28am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I can tell you first hand Chinese steel is shit. Worked for a Trailer company for 50 years. The Chinese steel seems to have a lower melting point, so welding it to good steel give undercut welds. Not good to make 3 passes to make it look good. It is very visible when welding.
        The other thing is I have replaced broken fractured axles on Chinese imports. Not a good thing when an axle gets metal fatigue at 90kph.
        
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        May 22, 2023 10:04am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Yes, but this furnace is only for melting down used steel
        
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        May 22, 2023 10:20am
      - Burtland
        
        if you buy cheap Chinese equivalent steel and have no quality control, whos the fool?
        
        Recycled will be the ONLY steel going forward in a circular economy
        
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        May 22, 2023 12:56pm
    - JJ56
      
      G, correct the new steel comes from iron sands (Fe3O4) and the oxygen needs to be removed, so heated with coal, the carbon in the latter does the job producing CO2 and iron. Not a reaction you can simply turn off and on because among other things it is temperature sensitive.
      
      There is experimentation underway at VUW where Hydrogen replaces the coal as the reductant and produces much more benign water.
      
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      May 22, 2023 9:43am
      - rangitoto
        
        Hydrogen made from natural gas or coal gas?
        
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        May 22, 2023 9:59am
      - JJ56
        
        Yes 🙂
        
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        May 22, 2023 10:08am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        “energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be transformed”.
        It’s all about which is the most efficient form of energy transformation vs the apparent impacts on the environment. We’ve come on leaps and bounds in that respect over the last 60 years or so.
        
        More importantly, the “science” isn’t “settled” when it comes to man made climate change. Not remotely. That’s the greatest lie of the last 60 years, though covid came close.
        
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        May 22, 2023 10:20am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Agreed, but dumb lefties will now think all steel in this country is going through this furnace
        
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        May 22, 2023 10:21am
      - kowtow
        
        ‘benign water’.
        
        Dihydrogen oxide is a major greenhouse gas , perhaps the bigliest , and as such ,like CO2 can ( like te media pardy does) be called a pollutant.
        
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        May 22, 2023 10:57am
- Nickc2
  
  Without Govt Subsidies, using electricity to recycle steel would not be profitable.
  NZ Steel tried it in the 1960s and it didn’t work so they turned to Coal.
  PS: Bluescope Steel the Aust parent company is expanding its World Wide operation using Coal as its energy source.
  PPS: Chinese Steel is not worth recycling, it’s too low quality.
  
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  May 22, 2023 8:51am
  - Xquenda Choudhury
    
    “Bluescope Steel the Aust parent company is expanding its World Wide operation using Coal as its energy source.”
    
    They must be laughing like drains at the New Zealand Government.
    
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    May 22, 2023 10:05am
    - JJ56
      
      In fairness see https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/bluescope-corporate-umbraco-media/media/3313/bluescope-climate-action-report-2021.PDF
      
      [Mod – please check your link]
      
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      December 22, 2022 10:11am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        JJ56 – I got this when I clicked on the link?
        
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        Could be my browser? I use Brave.
        
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        May 22, 2023 10:25am
      - JJ56
        
        Try off https://www.bluescope.com/bluescope-news/2021/09/bluescope-climate-action-report/.
        
        Bit peculiar because the url in browser when one does that is what I’d posted. Clearly needs the right references as it were.
        
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        May 22, 2023 7:09pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      “How good is this, the NZ taxpayer is paying us to virtue signal!!!”
      
      This government strikes again. They make Inspector Clouseau look clever.
      
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      May 22, 2023 10:23am
    - alwyn.a
      
      “You only get one Alan Bond in your lifetime and I’ve had mine”
      
      This infamous quote was a remark from Kerry Packer on the business deal that saw Alan Bond buy the Channel 9 network for just over $1 billion in 1987 and sell it back to Packer for $250 million just three years later.
      
      Rumour has it that this was repeated by Toll Holdings when they sold the railways back to the New Zealand Government, in the person of that financial genius Michael Cullen, in 2008 for $665 million.
      
      I guess it is going to have another run around the block from Bluescope after this ridiculous deal by the nutters in the Beehive.
      
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      May 22, 2023 10:24am
      - Paulus
        
        Don’t the Toll Board annually have a champagne lunch in Melbouren and toast Michael Cullen and Helen Clark.
        The two biggest mugs ever.
        
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        May 22, 2023 1:09pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Chinese recycled steel is contaminated with other metals. Think of a crushed car. All sorts of metals. The product is meant to have 10% (I think) of new steel, but I am sure it doesn’t.
    
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    May 22, 2023 10:09am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Taxpayer funded insanity. Complete madness.
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:04am
Maggie Pie

Anyone else miss the New Zealand we knew when JK was Prime Minister?
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May 22, 2023 8:20am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Yes, me.
  
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  May 22, 2023 8:25am
- bjools
  
  Competent ministers, running well run ministries.
  Focused on VALUE for tax payers money.
  With a good WORK ethic.
  Benefit to ALL citizens, not just chasing votes.
  Well researched policies.
  Actual PLANS, with targets and sign posted progress points, to see if you are achieving targets and direction.
  
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  May 22, 2023 8:27am
  - Cantabrian
    
    But on the downside was Finlayson and the pandering to a small sector of the population….
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:19am
    - Inandout
      
      Cant, that chap had a legal firm that handled Treaty stuff well before he became Minister. Who better to deal with ‘settlements’?
      
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      May 22, 2023 9:48am
- backster
  
  The Rock Star economy you mean.
  
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  May 22, 2023 8:32am
  - Handyman
    
    Rock star to rock bottom in two elections.
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:34am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      That’s a slogan to campaign on!
      
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      May 22, 2023 11:47am
- redeye
  
  And me. What has this place become?
  
  Stolen at gun point today at Blake park 2pm today My son in law was parked up at Blake park so a grey truck pulled up directly behind his truck two guys got out of the truck one opens the door sat in back seat the other opens the drivers door where my son-in-law was sitting who had nickel dusters on with huge spikes while the other had a gun in the back seat they told him we are taking the f en dog the guy in the back took the dog and the other stood there till they got her in the car threating him he then took the keys and threw them into the bush and the drive off …
  
  https://www.facebook.com/karen.hira.9/posts/pfbid0LwafahKUe6nKW1qmMvpuFqeTst6WTiceKPci6HWsTcA1tbFBEiBtmKv4dnBsXrAsl
  
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  May 22, 2023 8:37am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    No mention of ethnicity. Did he manage to get a description of the offenders. Any distinguishing features…. like neck-tattoos etc?
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:11am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      must be those damn Presbyterians again?
      
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      May 22, 2023 10:12am
      - Keith White
        
        Probably Amish 501s.
        
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        May 22, 2023 12:14pm
  - kowtow
    
    Looking at the comments , there’s an oarful lot more to that than meets the eye .
    
    ps How the hell does gang insignia get to have imagery and post on f/b .
    
    I thought what’s ‘er name sorted all that with the horrid little French Prez.
    
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    May 22, 2023 11:26am
- oldpark
  
  @Maggie Pie .8.20am
  Agree with you .Of course New Zealand could or will be “A Nation Once Again” after October 14 2023 .Providing freedom loving New Zealand votes to remove the type of people who have virtually destroyed Democracy in NZ by Masquerading as a so called Government as they daily pay homage to alleged racist control freaks that includes the bought and paid for the jokes that keep on giving NZs Main Stream Media.
  
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  May 22, 2023 8:58am
  - Ghost
    
    Will it? Or will it be a nation that switches to climate fear porn, away from Covid fear porn.
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:06am
    - Yvette
      
      Stockholm syndrome is a proposed condition in which hostages develop a psychological bond with their captors. It is supposed to result from a rather specific set of circumstances, namely the power imbalances contained in hostage-taking, kidnapping, and abusive relationships – an a compliant media which helps re-colonise everyone with the new version of the Treaty
      QED
      
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      May 22, 2023 9:28am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Ghost – this pivot was predicted a couple of years ago.
      There is a school of thought that covid was designed to crash economies, destroy societal cohesion and generally confuse the shit out of people. When they get this screwed over, they will generally accept any shit that is shoved their way. It wouldn’t surprise me.
      
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      May 22, 2023 10:30am
- Flossie
  
  So happy to know an old mate who has voted Labour since his first vote 60 odd years ago has announced he’s changing to National this time! Although he did say it’s painful to do it, it’s better than getting Labour plus their hanger on parties.
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:28am
  - Inandout
    
    Flossie, he probably realises modern Labour is not a shade of what the Party used to be. The so called working man is becoming as scarce as hens’ teeth.
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:53am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That is very true. Labour now is not the Labour of yesteryear. Green Party is not the Greens of yesteryear.
      What happened? Socialists and Communists is what happened – and the bastards are proud of it.
      
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      May 22, 2023 10:22am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      So true. It’s become a nation of wage slaves in crap jobs dependent on government subsidies for rent etc. – hence beholden to whoever offers them the most lollies. The old school working classes are largely gone.
      Same with the politicians claiming to represent them. Now they are career politicians and university educated ideologues. It’s why this pivot to Marxism. Ideology vs reality. It’s very dangerous.
      
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      May 22, 2023 11:16am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    With a little bit of encouragement you might get him to vote for a centre-right party rather than National! Lol.
    
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    May 22, 2023 10:59am
  - kowtow
    
    He’s a slow learner.
    
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    May 22, 2023 11:11am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, same here, heard from a few life time voters deeply involved in unions, one guy sad he can’t vote for a continuation of this shit, but won’t vote Tory (sarc) but will either not vote or he might vote ACT, not realising ACT is more like a Tory party
    
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    May 22, 2023 11:19am
  - mawm
    
    Flossie – I have never before encountered strangers who with in minutes of staring a conversation start telling me how much they despise this government and what this country has become. People generally used to keep their political opinions to themselves.
    
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    May 22, 2023 3:34pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  People tear him to bits, but not so much now, when compared to NZ’s worst Govt ever.
  Why don’t Labour just throw in the towel and quit? Here Luxon, all of this shit is now yours!
  
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  May 22, 2023 10:13am
  - mawm
    
    Then why is his polled support so low? First opinions count and he has not gone down well with many with his squandered opportunities, and covid and climate change stances.
    
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    May 22, 2023 3:42pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      His polled support may be low, but overall the National Party is doing not too bad.
      It seems July 13th is when the heat can be put on. (3 months out)
      I want to see attack dogs. Collins, Willis, Stanford, Brownlee.
      And please, please let Melissa Lee off the chain!
      
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      May 22, 2023 4:23pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Look at the Health Minister Key had.
  Bring back Tony Ryall.
  
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  May 22, 2023 12:04pm
bjools

https://www.frcglobal.com/blog/the-costs-of-producing-steel-with-electric-arc-furnaces

https://www.stamford-avk.com/sites/stamfordavk/files/AGN055_B.pdf

HMMM
Couple of things
This will require EXTRA electricity to power it, do we have that capacity, or will the govt. have to spend more of our money to meet the demand?….costs not considered.
Why, when they can legislate, as they did for battery hens and other farmers. To get the result they want and the company pay for it.
The company is looking to refurbish a coal plant in Aus., if it was so good, why aren’t they doing it in Aus?
James Shaw “guarantee 4000 jobs”….bull shit, the company was planning for the next 10yrs, is making large profits and has no down sizing plans.
This is nothing other than, a virtue signalling election focused, BRIBE to make them look like they haven’t burned massive amounts of coal in the past 6 yrs,to generate electricity.
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May 22, 2023 8:21am
- ClanMcleod
  
  So many holes in that story, a novice journalist could produce the questions to skewer the government claims before they finished their morning coffee.
  But we have no journalists in NZ. We have overpaid stenographers.
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:14am
  - bjools
    
    Ryan Bridge on TV3 AM show did OK, could have driven harder re jobs and electric, but showed Shaw up for his lack of knowledge re coal plant in Aus., but didn’t drive it home.
    Made this all look like policy on the hoof, no planning, no pro’s and cons. costs and benefits…..just ad hoc.
    ie just a statement without proof, to try and grab votes.
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:33am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Virtue signaling. It is all this government has managed to do since they first came to power. They have achieved nothing and destroyed much. Quite the record to live with when they get their noses out of the trough.
      
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      May 22, 2023 11:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  EXTRA Electricity will come from rationing or cutting power to the public.
  
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  May 22, 2023 10:25am
  - Drone
    
    No @Steve Otto they will run the furnace overnight when electricity demand is low and the network has capacity..
    
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    May 22, 2023 11:11am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Those furnaces will have to run 24/7
      
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      May 22, 2023 11:23am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Apparently not according to the Herald? I just posted from the article. Should be just above or below this.
        
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        May 22, 2023 11:27am
      - bjools
        
        https://powerquality.blog/2022/01/19/power-quality-and-electrical-arc-furnaces/
        
        Maybe this is why they don’t want to do it in Aus.?
        
        Nowadays, arc furnaces are designed for very large power input ratings and due to the nature of both, the electrical arc and the melt down process, these devices can cause large power quality problems on the electrical net, mainly harmonics, inter-harmonics, flicker and voltage imbalances.
        
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        May 22, 2023 11:34am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        ClanMcleod, 11.27am
        
        What the hell would the Herald know? to turn them off will take huge work to stop and to re start. they will not simply turn the bloody things off
        
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        May 22, 2023 2:47pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Looks like they have been cut a cheap electricity deal at the expense of the taxpayer and will operate – “in a flexible off-peak arrangement that will enable the company to scale down production in times of peak demand or supply shortages.”
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/climate-change-nz-steel-to-transition-away-from-burning-coal-with-140-million-govt-subsidy/Y55OYMKRKRECVIFWXHMJTPKVYM/
      
      When demand peaks it sounds like they will shut down? Sounds like a bizarre arrangement.
      
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      May 22, 2023 11:26am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The furnace needs to be kept up to heat I think, but not sure.
      Something I do know about is hot dip Galvanising. It is at heat all of the time. When it is not running 24 hours the dross is racked over to hold the heat in.
      Only in larger shutdowns, say Christmas/New year, the zinc is ingoted, and the gas goes off and vats are cleaned. Find all sorts of shit down there that has fallen off the tie wires. Depending on the vat (kettle) size it is maybe 4 days to heat up to operating temperature again.
      
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      May 22, 2023 4:32pm
  - Paulus
    
    But not EVs and Elec Bikes – no rationing for them only more ugly plug in spots.
    
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    May 22, 2023 1:12pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Heard the guy on the radio, he already has a supply contract with Contact, but more and more power will be required
  
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  May 22, 2023 11:21am
- david
  
  Is the fact that they got rid of all the battery hens the reason why we are running short of power Mummy?
  
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  May 22, 2023 4:03pm
Observant Octagenarian

With all the talk about ‘colonization’, it seems that ‘civilization’ doesn’t get a look in. Yet it is part and parcel of the deal.
So I asked ChatGDP for a solution. I got:
Certainly! I can create a word that combines the concepts of colonizing and civilizing. How about “colivilize”?

“Colivilize” can be used to refer to the act of establishing a colony with the intention of bringing about civilization or cultural development in the newly settled area. It signifies the process of both colonization and the advancement of social, economic, and cultural norms in the colonized territory.

Please note that as an AI language model, I have created this word based on your request, and it may not be a recognized term in standard dictionaries.
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May 22, 2023 8:40am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

So this steel arc furnace at Glenbrook is to replace two of four coal burning furnaces.
All in the name of pollution reduction?
This will put more load on the national grid, which imo means Huntly will be operated more. Huntly runs on what??
Own goal I reckon.

Another thing, is this to reduce Carbon or CO2 emissions?
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May 22, 2023 8:51am
- kowtow
  
  A bit like all those “EV’s” we’ve bought for wealthy virtue signallers that are still ICE’s .
  Indonesian Coal Engines.
  
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  May 22, 2023 8:59am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Seen a great meme on FB yesterday, it was headed EV food, it was a train about 2 kms long full of coal
    
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    May 22, 2023 11:24am
- Observant Octagenarian
  
  Don’t overlook the fact that they are changing from extracting ore from ironsands to melting scrap metal.
  This is an completely different proposition, and I would imagine a complete re-engineering of the plant.
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:02am
  - Drone
    
    No @OO they are only converting 50% of the plant to recycle old cars, the other two furnaces will continue to create steel from iron sands.
    
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    May 22, 2023 11:14am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    New steel w still have to be made, that will not change, but lefties will fall for all our steel is pollution free
    
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    May 22, 2023 11:25am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It sounds like they do both, they have 4 furnaces, only 2 are changing
    
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    May 22, 2023 2:49pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  SO – apparently they’ve cut a deal (taxpayer funded subsidy) so that the plant can run “flexibly” with subsidised cheap power. Translated it means they can shut down the plant during times of peak power demand.
  It’s a cluster fuck of an idea.
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:18am
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    I have a strong suspicion that they’ll be paid to shut the furnace down. The story I read didn’t make that clear, but NZ Steel would need a good reason to waste a pile of electricity used to melt a batch of scrap, wouldn’t they?
    Will anybody in MSM think to ask for some details about how it’ll work? Snigger.
    
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    May 22, 2023 10:54am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      That’s Demand Response in a nutshell. NZ Steel have cheap power due to bulk buying. When electricity prices spike, they sell it back into the market & make money. It’s not just them. Most major electricity users have DR contracts in one form or another.
      
      There’s a market of companies offering DR services. What’s interesting is that the Govt is mandating that Contact provide the DR, instead of leaving it to the market.
      
      Not that it really matters, except to the market participants directly affected. All of the generators have contracts to buy power from one another when they need it. Ultimately, when the sun doesn’t shine & the wind doesn’t blow, it’s Genesis coal that keeps the lights on & the furnace glowing. The point of mandating Contact, I suggest, is that when the awkward truth emerges, they can point to Contact & say it’s a private sector problem.
      
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      May 22, 2023 11:57am
      - Dougal10
        
        Most of the said businesses that load shed carry on with diesel generators so there is actually a carbon issue for James to deal with when promoting this kind of crap
        
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        May 22, 2023 1:55pm
- Jethrod
  
  Whatever happened to Pacific Steel Favona Rd Otahuhu? They made reinforcing steel and the like from recycled steel, with electric furnaces.
  Is it that it is in an urban area? Or that it is an NZ company?
  
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  May 22, 2023 10:40am
- Handyman
  
  FYI, Burning Carbon (coal, gas, wood etc) oxidises (adds oxygen from the air) to carbon to create CO2. The weight of carbon is 12 and CO2 is 48 so each Kg of carbon creates 4 kg of CO2, literally out of thin air. Most people like to quote the CO2 figure because it is bigger.
  
  I’m waiting for the first greenie to realise 75% of CO2 produced comes from the air (thus decreasing breathable oxygen) and attributes the sight of gasping old people to lack of oxygen.
  
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  May 22, 2023 4:50pm
hullkiwi

Impertinent question of the day.

What kind of stupid does it take to be James Shaw MP, Co-Leader of the Greens, Climate Change Minister and benefactor of corporate subsidies (without doing proper due diligence)?

Just asking for a friend. Without going into what he said on the am Show this morning, Shaw takes being stupid to a new low, along with insulting the intelligence of anybody who knows more about what the ETS is than he does.

Shaw and his party are perfect examples of what is wrong with MMP. The potential for these unqualified idiots to be in positions of influence way beyond their capacity to understand the ramifications of their actions is mind boggling!
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May 22, 2023 8:51am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

‘The Nation’ reports more than 5500 Teachers quit the profession last year….and Principals are struggling to fill teaching rolls due to workload and burnout.

Hundreds of Teachers spoken to who’ve recently resigned, all identify the same key issue…. “A lack of training and support to meet the increasingly complex behavioural and learning needs”

OMG! Can you imagine what it must be like?
Before you can even TOUCH one of those horrible little sh*ts these days, teachers are required to undertake a…. ‘Physical-Restraint-Training-Course’

And here’s the latest *Aramai He Tetekura Training Manual*….
read it & weep 🙁

https://assets.education.govt.nz/public/Education-Physical-Restraint-Rules-2023-FINAL.pdf
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May 22, 2023 8:59am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The education system, ergo the future of the country, is doomed.
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:19am
- Dougal10
  
  They also have to learn te reo to keep their practicing certificates. A large number of the relieving pool cant be bothered as it not worth it . The unionized teachers are causing their own demise by asking for more time out of the classroom and then restricting the replacement workers with woke rules.
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:53am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  But before you touch the student, you have to go through a deescalation process. Can you just imagine the person that wrote this shit?
  
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  May 22, 2023 11:23am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Yes. Not a pretty image.
    
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    May 22, 2023 12:06pm
    - pussycat
      
      Blue hair.
      
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      May 22, 2023 2:02pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I thort it might have been Kelvinator…
    but not sure he could spell ‘deescalation’ 😀
    
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    May 22, 2023 1:06pm
- stiff cheese
  
  What’s the ‘average staff turnover’ of ALL industries?
  Nationwide, it used to be about 15% (okay, I learned that figure years ago and haven’t seen an update).
  
  From TCNZ’s website: “The Teaching Council of New Zealand is the professional body for teachers…. working with and for around 150,000 registered and certificated teachers in NZ….”
  
  So 5500 teachers is 3.7% turnover in one year…. surely that indicates better staff retention than other industries?
  
  Therefore, it doesn’t sound like a problem to me…. after all, we need those vacancies for the new teachers emerging from the training pipeline each year.
  
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  May 22, 2023 3:42pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    There’s a difference between leaving a teaching job for another teaching job and leaving a teaching job for another profession.
    
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    May 22, 2023 8:53pm
Humai

I see the “writer visiting for anti-Asian abuse event” found some abuse in an Auckland noodle bar after accusing a punter of racism. Of course, she was ably supported by that master of selective outrage, Meng Foon.

In other news, a leading astronomer specialising in the planet Venus sights it in the sky over Auckland.
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May 22, 2023 9:01am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Humai – that story is clearly coincidental and nothing to do with the fact that the author has books on the topic and was in Auckland at a writer’s convention and the profile and promotion she got via the Herald unquestioning repeating of her “story” is just a fortunate by product……..//
  
  And I have the deeds of sale for Auckland Harbour Bridge……
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:24am
- Loddenthinks
  
  The writer has been seeing “racial abuse” where it doesn’t exist for decades, evidently.
  
  In her completely made-up bullshit poor-me story, she added this: “In that moment, I was like five years old, in the playground in London, hearing kids shouting at me ‘Chinese, Japanese, dirty knees.”
  
  She’s so stupid, and so determined to find racism when it doesn’t exist, that she fails to realise what that playground chant is actually about – boobies!
  
  It actually finishes “Chinese, Japanese, dirty knees, what about these?” while pointing to your chest, and all the boys fall about laughing. Good times, good times.
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:39am
  - mawm
    
    Everything looks like a nail to a hammer.
    
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    May 22, 2023 3:47pm
- KH
  
  She got the comment wrong being oversensitive. “Asian” the comment was about the food. FOOD Not people.
  When people says for example ” do you want to go out for an Asian”. They are not cannibals.
  As for the actual comment that offended. “No such thing as a good Asian”. I disagree with it. Plenty of good Asian food. Even if much of it is not good.
  The statement is an opinion.
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:48am
- sirknz
  
  It fell off the front page rather quickly overnight.
  
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  May 22, 2023 10:01am
  - Nukuleka
    
    It doesn’t pass the sniff test. The story, that is, not the food!
    
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    May 22, 2023 10:46am
    - sirknz
      
      Exactly what I thought when I scanned through it.
      
      I have never seen or heard anything of the sort in any of the Asian eating establishments I have set foot in that even approaches casual racism aimed at Asians, and I’ve set foot (and eaten chicken foot) in quite a few.
      
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      May 22, 2023 1:43pm
- Flossie
  
  That story really annoyed me. IIRC the premise was that this woman suffered racial abuse in NZ (ergo – NZ is racist) by some no doubt inebriated lout in a cafe, and she’s never been racially abused in Australia.
  
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  May 22, 2023 11:49am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    And who’s to say that the ‘abuser’ is a New Zealander?
    
    Thinking of a notorious incident that actually involved one of her (pronoun assumed) fellow countrypersons.
    
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    May 22, 2023 12:36pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Who’s to say there was any abuse? I suspect our little box-ticking diversity queen snowflake is hyper-vigilant and prepared to make shit up to sell books or tickets or get the likes and pity.
      
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      May 22, 2023 3:37pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Ahhhh. 9am and General Debate is firing on all eight.
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May 22, 2023 9:04am
- Vory v zakone
  
  Yep and here’s the Top 10 Headlines the media in the US didn’t tell us last week Steve:
  
  10. Lawsuit filed against the State of Massachusetts for publishing fraudulent COVID statistics, rigged death certificates for profit, and covered up COVID vaccine deaths.
  
  9. Judge ordered the FDA to accelerate release of COVID vaccine trial data.
  
  8. FDA now recommends taking only one mRNA COVID vaccine and no more boosters.
  
  7. CDC emails reveal post-mRNA COVID vaccination myocarditis is more prevalent than the media claims.
  
  6. Lawsuit filed against Elon Musk for requesting a bathroom near his office at Twitter HQ.😅
  
  5. Texas hospital fired doctors thanks to undercover Project Veritas video revealing doctors admitting to giving “gender affirming care” to children.
  
  4. Rhode Island teachers who were fired for refusing the COVID vaccine have been offered their jobs back with full back pay.
  
  3. Pennsylvania settled a federal election integrity lawsuit, removing over 178,000 ineligible voter registrations.
  
  2. MTG introduced Articles of Impeachment on Joe Biden.
  
  1. House Speaker Kevin McCarthy called for the immediate expulsion and possible prosecution of Rep. Adam Schiff for committing crimes of treason against the United States in the Trump Russia hoax.
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:11am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Shiff is a Dem, remember Trump called him pension neck 😃
    
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    May 22, 2023 11:30am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Should have said pencil neck
      
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      May 22, 2023 2:50pm
BarryB

Following the media reports that Bakmut in the Ukraine has been over-run by the Russians I looked up video reports of what the city looks like.
It looks like a German city after carpet bombings in WW2.

Now the big loser is of course Ukraine. The place is totally wrecked and the previous inhabitants have effectively permanently lost their home and property.
All because the Ukraine leadership wanted to join NATO.

Also there are reports of Ukrainian leadership corruption. The EU wont even think of EU membership for Ukraine until the corruption has been rooted out.
I am even more convinced that the big lowers in this conflict will be Ukraine – no matter what the final outcome is.
And the final outcome is by no means certain. With these F-16 jets being sold to them – on the condition that they are not used to attack Russian soil – it is inevitable that a mistake will happen and they will be used over Russian soil and that will/could be the excuse Russia needs to use battlefield nuclear weapons.
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May 22, 2023 9:23am
- kowtow
  
  ‘The EU wont even think of EU membership for Ukraine until the corruption has been rooted out.’
  
  What like in all the other former Soviet Bloc countries they’ve admitted , not to mention the deep rooted , anti democratic way they operate in the so called core countries .
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:44am
- rangitoto
  
  Bakhmut is a zone of rubble where occupiers are destroyed.
  
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  May 22, 2023 2:32pm
Nickc2

Is Glenbrook to become another Tiwai (a foreign-owned company subsidised by NZ Taxpayers)?
Yes, I’m aware that the subsidy is to come from the ETS, but that won’t last long. They can’t currently sell any credits in that rort.
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May 22, 2023 9:27am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Erm, it already is. NZ Steel is owned by an Australian company – BlueScope Steel.
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:42am
- Drone
  
  Presumably the ETS component in the price of petrol is helping subsidise it.
  
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  May 22, 2023 11:18am
MCōs

In a few days time it will be seventy years since Sir Ed and Tenzing knocked the bastard off.
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May 22, 2023 9:36am
- MCōs
  
  Tenzing
  
  [Mod – fixed for you]
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:44am
- Maggie Pie
  
  And it was all downhill from there 😀 😀 😀
  
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  May 22, 2023 9:51am
  - kowtow
    
    Haha
    
    Actually set off an enormous industry of polluting the mountain .
    
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    May 22, 2023 11:06am
- kevn
  
  @Mcos… Doesn’t feature in the new NZ primary school history curriculum now.
  
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  May 22, 2023 10:02am
  - MCōs
    
    Are you saying it never happened?
    Is that where you get your NZ history from?
    
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    May 22, 2023 10:39am
sirknz

Did anybody else catch this one on $tuff last night? It seemed to have disappeared by this morning.

https://archive.fo/HY2Nd [$tuff]

A part Chinese author, who coincidentally wrote a b00k about colonialism and racism, here for the writers festival experienced ‘anti-Asian comments’ from some men and a drunk woman, all of unspecified race, in a Chinese restaurant.

It doesn’t really pass the sniff test for me as I can think of few places where someone who holds anti-Asian sentiments are less likely to go.
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May 22, 2023 9:42am
- Surely Knott
  
  And the weird comment. As if you would walk into an Asian restaurant and proclaim “A good Asian is a contradiction in terms.” Not your garden variety casual racist encounter that’s for sure. Agree doesn’t pass the sniff test.
  
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  May 22, 2023 10:21am
Maggie Pie

A bestie from church tweets….

We are being influenced by the morally depraved.
Advised by the scientifically compromised.
And governed by the pathologically corrupt.

What could go wrong?
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May 22, 2023 9:44am
- Rusty
  
  @Maggie,
  
  Dont forget Brian Tamakis newly disguised church/political party which he predicts will get 5% and more of the party vote at this year’s elections.
  
  Keeping church and state separate is one of the core values of NZs liberal democracy system.
  
  No one wants a state religion.
  
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  May 22, 2023 10:18am
  - kowtow
    
    We have a de facto state religion , perhaps two.
    
    Animism , from our “biculturalism” and now too Gaianism.
    
    I’m not joking.
    
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    May 22, 2023 11:04am
  - Keith White
    
    Te Tririttiiii is the State Religion.
    
    After all
    – we must bow before it
    – we must worship it
    – we must venerate and pay stipends to its preachers
    – we must tithe unto it
    – its catechism can be interpreted so many way, we must rely on the Highest Priests to explain them
    – its relics are sacred
    – its vestments are bold (gang patches, anyone?)
    – its wrath is to be feared
    and
    – it requires blind, unlimited, quiet obedience
    
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    May 22, 2023 11:56am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      We must have faith that stuff that simply isn’t at all in the treaty, and was never even hinted at, is real. Not by works but by faith you will be saved.
      
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      May 24, 2023 1:30pm
Xquenda Choudhury

Ten years ago the Key Government paid the owners of the Bluff aluminum smelter $30 million to kep it open.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9016725/Govt-pays-30-million-to-Tiwai-Pt

At the time many on the left screamed this was corporate welfare.

With the NZ Steel announcement yesterday we have weapons grade corporate welfare. The Left cheer in the streets. 🙁
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May 22, 2023 10:07am
- hullkiwi
  
  …and as we say often, no-one does hypocrisy better than the left.
  
  However, with this one you can add stupidity and incompetence on an industrial scale never seen before in NZ.
  
  Coupled with the usual dose of failing to do any calculations at all to see whether the spending of $140mill of taxpayer money will make a blind bit of difference to anything.
  
  That is why way back in the 1980s National and then the Lange Labour government’s recognised that it was bad policy for government’s to pick “winners” with corporate government subsidies. Such government largesse always leads to failure and unforeseen consequences.
  
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  May 22, 2023 11:08am
Libertarians are right

Wow. Racists are really brazen in New York these days.

A 5ft2, 6 mths pregnant nurse who just finished a 12hr shift tried to steal a rental bike off a group of 5 6ft+ African American teen boys and tried to use her tears to get them killed.

The poor victims had video evidence even.

They got her suspended from her job and she got doxxed and everything.

Of course, anyone with a brain could tell where this was going. She rented the bike and had receipts and it was the group of teens who were trying to steal it off her. The whole thing was just a power trip by them trying to destroy a white woman and make themselves famous.
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May 22, 2023 10:08am
PeeJay

See there were at least eight sperate burglaries in Christchurch overnight – supermarket, liquor stores, tech stores etc.

So glad the government have ram raids sorted now, otherwise this might be concerning eh?

I’ve got one construction project I’m closing out, retail, that’s been open since Waitangi weekend and has already been hit 5 times! The owners and tenants have already been told by their insurers that the premiums will absolutely skyrocket next year – hate to see what the excess will be!!!
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May 22, 2023 10:32am
- kowtow
  
  And naturally passed on to the consumer.
  
  The Jacindanistas don’t understand how the economy works.
  
  They “believe in” Teddy Bear Shrines .
  
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  May 22, 2023 11:00am
  - sirknz
    
    Just more greedy business owners trying to extract cash from the poor, hardworking, beneficiaries and minimum wage workers…
    
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    May 22, 2023 1:47pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/big-night-expected-in-the-hawkes-bay-tonight/

Someone here was asking when there was going to be a Hawke Bay meeting. Havelock North.

pdm?
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May 22, 2023 10:44am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Most of New Zealand are talking the pros and cons of Glenbrook at the moment.
Just keep an eye open for what this bastard Government may be doing in the background without our knowledge.
We know they are crafty, and liars.
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May 22, 2023 10:47am
Surely Knott

Th government has a gender lens snapshot in their budget. They say 48% of
“Healthy School Lunches programme are girls. While girls directly benefit from the same overall
positive impacts, nutritional lunches also improve the regularity and health of menstrual cycles,
which is directly linked to nutrition.”

So are they saying Girls menstruate?!

And why is the Gender lens in the budget about balance between women and men. What about non-binary people and other genders.
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May 22, 2023 11:11am
- Keith White
  
  At least half of the newest immigrants must be biologists…
  
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  May 22, 2023 11:57am
oldfella

The inmates have indeed taken over the asylum. Or will, it they’re allowed to succeed…
‘Notorious’ speaker threatens to bring Oxford’s famed debating club to its knees
In its 200-year history the Oxford Union has hosted the good, the great and the odious on its way to cementing itself as one of the world’s most prestigious debating societies.
But now several university groups are cutting their long affiliation with the society, and up to 1000 protesters are preparing a campus picket in a dispute over the decision by the Oxford Union to invite the feminist professor Kathleen Stock to give a talk on gender on May 30.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/notorious-speaker-threatens-to-bring-oxford-s-famed-debating-club-to-its-knees-20230521-p5da08.html
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May 22, 2023 11:12am
Xquenda Choudhury

Just reading about new coal fired electricity plants in China. During 2022 and Q1 of 2023, China has consented 126 GW of NEW coal plants. This is on top of the more than 1,000 GW of coal capacity already in place.

I did the arithmetic, and I double checked. China will have coal fired electricity generation capacity equal to 1,600 times the installed coal capacity of New Zealand at Huntly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_China

To put that into context, the ENTIRE installed capacity of electricity generation in New Zealand is 9.8 GW.

https://www.zawya.com/en/business/energy/china-approved-20-gw-of-new-coal-power-capacity-in-q1-greenpeace-tq58u34n

https://energyandcleanair.org/publication/china-permits-two-new-coal-power-plants-per-week-in-2022/#:~:text=New%20coal%20power%20capacity%20added,to%2026.8%20GW%20in%202022.

I am not suggesting that New Zealand takes no action on climate change. I am just showing that whatever we do is fart in a hurricane. Whatever we do should be measured and efficient. We cannot afford to adopt ruinous policies such as that announced yesterday. Simply because such policies will impoverish the country and achieve literally nothing.
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May 22, 2023 11:14am
- Drone
  
  But it’s in the plan @Xquenda, the only plan these mongrels have ever tried to meet, 1,000,000 trees, 100,000 houses actually required New Zealanders to do something, The Glenbrook deal puts the load on the Aussies so we can’t fail this time.. This government can only spend money, not actually deliver.
  
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  May 22, 2023 11:26am
Jack5

NZ knocked back on “manuka” copyright.

An interesting comment on New Zealand being unable to trademark “manuka honey”. Manuka Charitable Trust chair Pita Tipene said it was disappointed, but undeterred by the ruling.

“We remain resolute in protecting our reo Maori and the precious taonga and today’s ruling in no way deters us…. “

Point 1: There was no manuka honey, nor any other kind of honey, harvested in NZ until the British colonists introduced bees.

Point 2: Manuka, the bush on which the bees graze for this type of honey, is indigenous to southern Australia as well to New Zealand.
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May 22, 2023 11:17am
- Jack5
  
  There is a web site for the “Manuka Charitable Trust & Te Pitau Ltd”, but there is no listing of this name on the Companies Register.
  
  There are hazards in a company name containing the abbreviation for a limited liability company, but likely the name is in some process queue.
  
  Tetaumata.com is a web site that promotes Maori exporting. Its details of the Manuka trust are linked to here:
  
  https://tetaumata.com/introducing-the-manuka-charitable-trust/
  
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  May 22, 2023 11:57am
  - alex Masterley
    
    If you try “Te Pitau Limited” on its own you find it.
    
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    May 22, 2023 12:43pm
    - Jack5
      
      Thank you for that, Alex.
      
      The Companies Office registration says Te Pitau Ltd is owned by the Manuka Charitable Trust.
      
      An ampersand (&) traditionaly was often used within company names. An ampersand between “Manuka Charitable Trust” and “Te Tipau” on the web site may suggest there is a limited liability company called “Manuka Charitable Trust & Te Pitau Ltd.” There isn’t.
      
      From its last filed annual report to the Charities Register, Manuka Charitable Trust appears to be inactive.
      
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      May 22, 2023 3:17pm
- Handyman
  
  There was a case a few years ago in south England where some Maoris were suing the locals for growing manuka and making manuka honey.
  The case was stopped when the Englanders countersued for use of bees.
  
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  May 22, 2023 5:47pm
Maggie Pie

Anyone else find Corner-Dairies no longer offer the same friendly ‘shopping experience’ they used to?

Popped into one in Parnell earlier looking for a can of Tatua-Dairy-Whip for our muesli. As I headed to the back of the shop where the freezer part is, some guy with an Indian accent called out over a CCTV speaker… “What are you looking for?”
Honestly, it scared the bejesus out of me. Turns out they didn’t have any anyway. Wont be going back there in a hurry.
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May 22, 2023 11:18am
- Xquenda Choudhury
  
  You dodged a bullet. That crap is full of sugar, emulsifier, and food thickeners.
  
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  May 22, 2023 11:51am
  - kowtow
    
    Going to a dairy these days is inviting a bullet.
    
    Anyone feeling safer yet .
    
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    May 22, 2023 12:42pm
    - MCōs
      
      Stupid comment
      When was the last time a customer was shot in a dairy?
      
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      May 22, 2023 3:24pm
      - Ghost
        
        Does a machete count
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/300799545/person-injured-following-machete-attack-at-hamilton-dairy
        
        Sadly another person closing down because of the out of control crime
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/131485675/escalation-of-violence-and-robberies-forces-hamilton-dairy-owner-to-walk-away
        
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        May 22, 2023 3:37pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I guess you wont be interested in my homemade-muesli recipe then?
    
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    May 22, 2023 12:45pm
    - Keith White
      
      Muesli always looks like someone’s already eaten it once.
      
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      May 22, 2023 12:56pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        You should see mine.
        
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        May 22, 2023 1:25pm
kowtow

Anyone else notice all sorts of crashes / issues across the www locally ?

Big cyber attck ?
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May 22, 2023 11:32am
MCōs

https://twitter.com/iamharaldur/status/1660341553754169346?s=46&t=XZLqGbhN-xeYzprhTaktsg
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May 22, 2023 11:34am
- Ghost
  
  I have gone back 5 days and can’t find any such post
  
  https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump
  
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  May 22, 2023 11:45am
BananaLlama

Day 5 of violent animal running loose while i patiently wait for the gears of justice to start turning.
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May 22, 2023 11:38am
- Keith White
  
  I do not envy whoever will be NZ’s Bernard Goetz. His fate is pre-sealed.
  
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  May 22, 2023 11:59am
rockape

Your working longer to pay the Taxman ! “ racket creep is to blame for New Zealanders’ “tax freedom day” falling two days later this year than last, Baker Tilly Staples Rodway says.

The accounting firm has released its latest calculation of the day, which demonstrates how far through the year New Zealanders have paid their collective tax bill.

This year, it is forecast to arrive on May 22.

In 2021, it was May 11 and in 2016, it was May 1.
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May 22, 2023 12:14pm
- sirknz
  
  “Racket creep”
  
  Sounds about right.
  
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  May 22, 2023 2:01pm
  - rockape
    
    Yes I nearly corrected that cut and paste just thought it funnier this way!
    
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    May 22, 2023 3:02pm
Maggie Pie

ZB reporting that a major ‘NI-Bus-Operator’ has recruited nearly 500 new drivers since the beginning of the year.
The vast majority of them being from either Fiji or the Philippines.

Not only that, I see where from today, AT are allowing people to take large dogs on buses as well. Only criteria is that the passenger has to clean up any ‘mess’ they make.

You can imagine how well that’s going to turn out. LOL!!
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May 22, 2023 12:19pm
- sirknz
  
  “It’s not my dog, it just follows me everywhere.”
  
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  May 22, 2023 2:01pm
Mike

It has occurred to me why the university bookshop had to close downtown. It was located in the building housing the school of business and government and adjacent to the law school. All three of these quasi-disciplines being generally immune to book-learning, it was possibly always an unpropitious place to sell literature.
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May 22, 2023 12:34pm
ClanMcleod

The WHO proposals to take more control over health policies currently being discussed at meetings have been touched on here, but nothing on MSM that I’ve noticed.
They are proposing amendments to the International Health Regulations which will transfer power from individual states to the unelected WHO and in particular, to unelected Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus.

It’s a potential nightmare. Here are a couple of links I recommend to anyone at all interested in finding out more about another push to undemocratic, centralised global control.

Dr John Campbell nails it in a relatively short video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXdO_7J1Lx8

Also this tongue in cheek, but highly accurate graphic titled The Proposed Amendments to the International Health Regulations (FOR KIDS)

As the author says:

NO, the above information is NOT really for children! It is designed to be sent to Congressional Representatives, Senators or Members of Parliament.
Our public servants don’t seem to be able to comprehend anything beyond a 5th grade level, so I decided that it might be helpful if I simplified it for them.

Download the document, print it out and mail it to your public servants.

Include a personalized letter (written in crayon).
Maybe they will be able understand this if we keep it really simple.

One short example from the post.

People from 194 nations around the world are trying to change the rules so that a group of people known as the WHO will be allowed to tell everyone else what to do. If you do not like it when other people boss you around, then you should speak up and say so right away.

https://jamesroguski.substack.com/p/the-proposed-amendments-to-the-international-a99
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May 22, 2023 12:34pm
- mawm
  
  If one frightens the sheep enough they will vote for the slaughter house. (Shakes head).
  
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  May 22, 2023 4:02pm
ClanMcleod

And here is a great covid video resource, in equal parts hilarious and terrifying. Thanks to Michael P Senger.
Seriously, watch the first couple, remind yourself how much utter bullshit we were fed.

Recently, I’ve been putting together a Twitter thread to serve as an open-access library of all the most important and viral video clips from throughout the response to COVID, beginning with the initial scenes of the lockdown in Wuhan all the way through today. The thread is organized semi-chronologically, but it also has no endpoint, so videos after the first hundred or so may be added on ad-hoc basis. Feel free to suggest or post any additions or to use any of these clips for your own purposes. Many thanks!

https://twitter.com/michaelpsenger/status/1658569732763820032
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May 22, 2023 12:44pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

O dear.

New Waikanae art gallery Mahara focussed on construction costs and forgot all about (or knew & kicked down the road) a $400k pa operating deficit.

Heads should roll – but I bet they won’t.
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May 22, 2023 12:58pm
- Inandout
  
  NM, but the Maori blessing took place. Kaching.
  https://www.kapiticoast.govt.nz/mahara-gallery/
  
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  May 22, 2023 1:30pm
ClanMcleod

This is the level of inanity put out by NZ mainstream media. The red banner “breaking news” from the NZ Herald.

Countdown investigating after delivery driver caught on camera running red light

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/countdown-investigating-after-delivery-driver-caught-on-camera-running-red-light/WREMQAIA5BEE7CK3U4KVQULUDA/

Other than that, it’s that gloom and doom “climate change” because it’s raining…….

Weather: Auckland to get heavy showers, prospect of hail, rain watches issued for east coast of North Island

That’s their headline…….
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May 22, 2023 1:24pm
- Ghost
  
  No mention of the snow on the hills behind us in metservice, but then again for some strange reason they never reports the snow falling in summer either.
  
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  May 22, 2023 1:33pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    My favourite is the “shock horror” every spring when a cold front hits the South Island and we get the images of lambs in snow and vehicles sliding on ice as clear evidence that climate change is going to kill us all…….because it’s repeated……every year……
    
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    May 22, 2023 3:08pm
    - Keith White
      
      Lamb Lives Matter!
      
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      May 22, 2023 7:13pm
- Nickc2
  
  Don’t forget, more crime is being reported because there’s an App for doing so. //
  That’s Ginny Anderson’s (Police Minister) response to more crime being reported. The fact that there’s more crime has nothing to do with it, it’s the App’s fault and people using it.
  Where do we find people like our Minister of Police?
  Oh, that’s right, her husband’s a Police Dog Handler.
  IMO, the Dog has more than its fair share of intelligence in that family.
  
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  May 22, 2023 1:53pm
  - Keith White
    
    Ginny Anderson.
    
    I have engaged with her through a formal, polite and regulated OIA process a few weeks ago regarding the gun registry.
    
    Either she is extremely ill served through her Office Smurfs; or, she has an IQ in 75th percentile double figures.
    
    Although I should not be that judgemental because clearly, she’s smarter than me, in that she gets paid a shedload more than me for doing a lot less work.
    
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    May 22, 2023 7:16pm
John Loveridge

Could somebody please explain why the Public Interest journalism fund is being used to produce promotional pieces?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-skies-the-limit-for-matauranga-maori-and-air-new-zealand-in-flight-skincare-package/FILDMNR67VDT5DLHIITTKL7VIU/
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May 22, 2023 1:27pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  The criteria in the PJIF are available online and yes they do require that all things ethnic be promoted Ad nauseam.
  
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  May 22, 2023 2:10pm
  - John Loveridge
    
    I’d call that an advertisement, not an article. As I see it, the PJIF is funding advertising for Air NZ and this Aotea crowd.
    
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    May 22, 2023 2:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Covid, from 2020.
When my kids were little, and I wanted to control them, I would tell them a monster would get them if they came out of their rooms.

I would never have guessed that would work on an entire population.
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May 22, 2023 1:28pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Never forget. Ever.
  
  Remember the dancing doctors and nurses????
  
  https://twitter.com/michaelpsenger/status/1658644820532035584?s=20
  
  Remember, this was all purely spontaneous……..//
  Those videos should be compulsory viewing, particularly for those who think we should all just “forget about it and move on”. No. Never.
  
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  May 22, 2023 1:37pm
  - mawm
    
    What the *ell did CIA/US Military unleash on the world? This is an interesting peer-reviewed article, whose authors include Tess Lawrie, on both the Covid spike and the vaccine spike.
    
    “Strategies for the Management of Spike Protein-Related Pathology”
    
    https://www.mdpi.com/2076-2607/11/5/1308
    
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    May 22, 2023 4:12pm
  - Ghost
    
    A slap in the face to everyone that needed an operation but couldn’t because hospitals were closed due to the huge amount of Covid patients, so many that nurses had nothing to do but this crap
    
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    May 22, 2023 4:19pm
    - Keith White
      
      Ghost: I don’t disagree with you, but I would characterise it more as a kick in the testicles or ovaries.
      
      Because I personally know triple figures of people who were denied life-, pain- and activity-remediating operations because the Ministry of Health decreed that to keep looking after our fellow citizens in the triage order of their medical priorities, was hugely risky, dangerous, unable to be contemplated, thoughtless, damaging, and heretical because of the WuFlu.
      
      My paid employment is soon coming to a close because of (a) my age and (b) my rust, and while I thought I might spend my declining years and budget on bike roadtrips and shed hobbywork, I do believe the best use of my remaining time will be in seeking Peace Crimes trials for the government apparatchiks that foisted this lethal jab on our citizenry.
      
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      May 22, 2023 7:21pm
      - Ghost
        
        I had a relative who broke their shoulder before the lockdown, needed a shoulder replacement, wasn’t done until July because of the backlog . Our hospital had no Covid patients, our private hospital where it was done was made to shut down.
        
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        May 22, 2023 7:32pm
      - artemisia
        
        Think you will find quite a few supporters, some like ClanMcLeod very knowledgeable.
        
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        May 22, 2023 7:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Next Monday in US. Memorial Day.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=593946352086421
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May 22, 2023 1:34pm
Ruawai

Heard it was the Iwi in Northland demanding too much that caused them to lose the movie deal with Jason Momoa, shame for all the businesses in Northland who would have made money form this and locals employed.
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May 22, 2023 1:38pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING NOW

Heard the UK correspondent speaking with ZB’s Kate Hawkesby this morning about the Philip Schofield drama.

Sounds like Phil was made to resign from his long running TV breakfast show ‘This Morning’, for failing to tell his co-host that his pedo brother Tim had been sentenced to 12 years jail for sexual-assault on a young boy 🙁

I got the feeling there might have been a bit more to it than that….so interesting to hear the wonderful Katie Hopkins’s take on the affair-

https://twitter.com/markmaycot/status/1660016867283460096
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May 22, 2023 1:51pm
- Ghost
  
  He should have resigned for not going to the police straight away and reporting his brother
  
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  May 22, 2023 1:53pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    His brother was the Police
    
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    May 22, 2023 9:03pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Sounds like she is insinuating that Uncle Phil may have a proclivity as well……
  
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  May 22, 2023 2:17pm
  - Keith White
    
    Say that ain’t so! Shurely our broadcasting heroes are the epitome of all that is good and right and honest and upright.
    
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    May 22, 2023 7:22pm
- Keith White
  
  Remind me Maggie P – not ever to get on the wrong side of you 🙂
  
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  May 22, 2023 7:51pm
waikatosinger

To make steel you dissolve carbon in the molten metal oxide. The carbon will react with the metal oxide to form CO2. Also steel needs carbon in it. Raw iron without carbon is soft. So plenty of carbon will still be needed to make steel and CO2 will be emitted even if you do use electricity to heat your furnaces.

Heating the furnaces with electricity is inefficient and expensive. So the steel mill will not be competitive with those in China etc unless heavily subsidised. Our taxes are going to have to go to support this nonsense in perpetuity just so Hipkins and the Greens can indulge in a bit of useless virtue signalling.
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May 22, 2023 2:09pm
Ghost

A good reminder to be careful of what you post

Police are looking into members of the public who have breached name suppression laws online by identifying the woman accused of murdering two children in Ruakākā.

Police have confirmed they’re aware of social media posts identifying the person accused – and have urged anyone involved to delete the posts.

Article
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May 22, 2023 2:16pm
- Inandout
  
  Ghost, I believe they are preoccupied with ram raids at present…aren’t they?
  
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  May 22, 2023 3:06pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nah, the Police are going ‘what can we do today? Ram raids are so boring.’
    There must be something way out in the sticks we can investigate. Open farm gate – that’s it. Oh sorry, the dairy farmer has to get his cows through that after milking.
    We must research how fast milked cows can go, compared with unmilked cows. Are they speeding? Are they breaching any rules?
    OK, that’s it for the day, let’s fuck off home.
    
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    May 22, 2023 4:45pm
    - Keith White
      
      No! first you have to stop and ticket a Tirau family man in a Ford doing 96km/hr in a passing lane while towing a trailer, trying to get by a virtue-signalling Prius driver from Penrose doing 88 km/hr.
      
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      May 22, 2023 7:43pm
Maggie Pie

And don’t forget that from next Friday, all Banks will be transferring money between different banks without a delay 7 days a week….including public hols.

Took them long enough. YAY!!
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May 22, 2023 4:53pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Bugger, left it too late. Wanted to catch the State Sector Employees before they went for their craft beer and zero lemonade shandy – then run for the train.
Anyway:
LEAKED PENTAGON PAPER INDICATES THE US GOVERNMENT SUSPECTED FAUCI’S NATURAL COVID THEORY WAS GARBAGE.

https://billingsreport.com/leaked-pentagon-paper-indicates-the-us-government-suspected-faucis-natural-covid-theory-was-garbage/

This little prick has been on the take all of his life.
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May 22, 2023 5:09pm
- Keith White
  
  I do not know why there are so many downticks on this, unless Bloomfield has deployed his minions.
  
  I am so old that I remember when I was a newly hatched junior doctor, getting faxes with Fauci instructions that it would be absurdly cruel, reprehensible, immoral and just so very bad, to stop gay people having biologically unnatural relationships with each other in bathhouses, to try and control the AIDS epidemic. As a consequence, literally hundreds of thousands of people who depended upon blood products to stay alive, notably but not only the people with coagulation disorders, died horribly because they got infected by careless people.
  
  Lo and behold, decades later. Fauci insisted that we had to stay apart from everybody else so that we didn’t all die from the WuFlu.
  
  Eff you Fauci and the horse you rode into town on.
  
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  May 22, 2023 7:26pm
hannity

Luxon needs to go – who’s next .
https://www.horizonpoll.co.nz/page/668/labour-and-
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May 22, 2023 5:16pm
- Ghost
  
  I wouldn’t put any trust in an horizon poll
  
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  May 22, 2023 5:21pm
- Inandout
  
  hann, this Hipkins diversion has been discussed at length in the social media. Now what needs to be sidelined..oh I know…crime.
  
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  May 22, 2023 5:43pm
Ghost

Woman destroys New Zealand health system and gets an award

Former Prime Minister Jacinda Ardren has reflected on her time as head of the country during the Covid-19 pandemic in a speech during the opening of the World Health Organisation’s (WHO) 76th assembly in Geneva.

She joked about being “currently between jobs at the moment”, which earned a laugh from the crowd, after speaking of the critical importance of WHO.

During her speech, she reflected on her time in such an important role during the global pandemic, explaining there was “so much to learn from the experience”.

Article

Amazing, you can destroy the health system, people suffering and dying because they aren’t getting timely treatment and you get an award.

April fools day?
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May 22, 2023 6:15pm
- Keith White
  
  If there was actually any natural justice in the world, she’d be on trial. But there is not, so she won’t.
  
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  May 22, 2023 7:27pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

After the E. Jean Carroll rape case had concluded, it seemed imminent that Trump would be told to dial it down a bit.
You just know Trump will be a winner soon and those who accuse him are just gold diggers. They are so desperate.

https://gopnewsfeed.com/donald-trump-muzzled-judge-had-enough/?utm_source=GNF%20PI%202023&utm_source=GNF%20Q4BS2&utm_medium=email&utm_content=subscriber_id:115472131&utm_campaign=They%E2%80%99ve%20Just%20Declared%20a%20State%20of%20EMERGENCY%20(%23PI)

New this is a case that three lines of data shit can be deleted right back to the question and including the question mark.
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May 22, 2023 6:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Here is the same:
  https://gopnewsfeed.com/donald-trump-muzzled-judge-had-enough/?
  
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  May 22, 2023 6:17pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Some of Carroll’s Tweets raise a few eye brows.
  The Judge blocked them from the Jury…
  https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/05/the-fertile-imagination-of-e-jean-carroll.php
  
  Trump will probably win the Appeal and she will have to pay him Costs
  
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  May 22, 2023 6:36pm
  - Mike
    
    On the contrary, his reiteration of the defamatory comments will likely see an uplift in damages on appeal.
    LOL
    
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    May 22, 2023 7:11pm
    - Keith White
      
      Show us on the doll where Trump damaged you, Mike. Someone will write you an ACC form.
      
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      May 22, 2023 7:28pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Uhuh
      Say, how did Stormy Daniels court cases work out for her.
      And her Attorney Avenatti
      Even louder LOL
      The womans a nutter and eventually a higher Court will dismiss it.
      But only … [Deleted -abusive. mod.] yourself would be triggered by these sordid claims.
      Missing out much?
      
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      May 22, 2023 7:31pm
Maggie Pie

We just watched the closuing arguments on OneEwes in the case of 2 guys who are accused of shooting an innocent teenager at a party.
The crown are calling it murder….the lawyer for the defence – mamslaughter.

Me, nor my partner have never been on a jury….wish we were on this one.
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May 22, 2023 6:49pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  There’s a Murder trial that’s been going on for a week or so here in Gizzy.
  
  Seems rather similar to the Chch case…a bystander woman was shot and killed…
  
  Evidence seems to be that the shooter shot the wrong person….
  
  No TV or mention of the trial in anything other than the Gisborne Herald…
  
  https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/news/court-hears-of-innocent-party-shot-and-killed-during-gang-altercation
  
  https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/news/neighbour-gives-evidence-in-high-court-murder-trial-for-walker-and-grace
  
  Is it because the accused is a Mongrel Mobster?
  
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  May 22, 2023 6:56pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I recall our resident lawyer here on KB referring to a similar case some years ago, where an innocent 17yo girl was mistakenly shot in the head while standing outside an Auckland niteclub.
    
    Pretty sure the perp was found guilty of murder.
    
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    May 22, 2023 7:22pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      What sort of low life scumbag would do that.
      
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      May 22, 2023 7:33pm
  - Keith White
    
    I think we can safely say that when the criminal is a member of a PVG (Protected Victims Group), he is going to be seen as a victim, and needs to be protected by the judicial system, otherwise, all of the efforts that Ardern & Company have made in appointing the judiciary will be in vain.
    
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    May 22, 2023 7:29pm
- Ghost
  
  I had to close that article down when reading, pissed me off
  
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  May 22, 2023 6:57pm
  - Keith White
    
    If Mikey did not downtick that, it’ll be a poorly-paid troll from Fraser House.
    
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    May 22, 2023 7:46pm
- Keith White
  
  Sometimes, we just need to make use of the amazingly appropriate medical invention (subsequently hijacked by the wrong parties, but there it is) of Dr Guillotine – last used in 1976, so it’s not that far back in prehistory that we couldn’t find the blueprints and make one for this type of crim.
  
  Maggie, may we count on you to be one of the tricoteuses? Thank you, I knew you’d say yes.
  
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  May 22, 2023 7:32pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Knit one – Pearl one.
    
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    May 22, 2023 8:00pm
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      Drop one
      
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      May 22, 2023 9:07pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        😛
        
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- Ghost
  
  Wow, someone down ticking about a young boy murdered. What sort of moron are you down ticker, pathetic
  
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  May 22, 2023 7:33pm
Jack5

The Student Visa route/rort from an Indian point of view.

First-hand advice on turning student visas into work visas:

https://youtu.be/14RtffSakPQ
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  Should be mandatory viewing at Immigration
  
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