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CJames

In Roger Pielke’ latest substack post, he has updated his published paper reviewing the literature on the normalised cost of climate disasters. There were two papers on the local region, McAnerey on NZ and Deo on South Pacific covering the last 50 years. McAnery had previously done one on Australia. Like the others, they found no detection of any trend in the data, let alone something that could be attributed to climate change. Remember this next time you hear politicians claim billions of dollars have to be wasted and our standard of living has to drop because of the climate emergency. Following the science means the basis behind their claim is rubbish. Gabrielle wasn’t worsened by the SUV drivers. At least National no longer have Chris Bishop as their spokesperson making stupid statements.
In something self-evident, of the 54 papers, only one found disasters (in this case, just tropical cyclones in the US) were in increasing and caused by climate change. The other 16 looking at the same narrow range data set found no trend and no attribution. You don’t need to guess which one the latest IPCC report cited as proof we are all going to die unless we repent and give them mone
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May 19, 2023 8:00am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Seems the IPCC has been guilty of cherry picking (yet again)
  
  https://clintel.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Press-release-Clintel-The-Frozen-Climate-Views-of-the-IPCC.pdf
  
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  May 19, 2023 8:28am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    How many more scams are we going to allow the establishment to fob on us before enough is enough?
    
    The lies are bad enough, but the arrogant smugness with which they stomp on our rights and freedoms is beyond the pale. This isn’t government, it’s dictatorship.
    
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    May 19, 2023 9:03am
    - kowtow
      
      Meanwhile in the real world folk are voting with their plane tickets ;
      
      ‘But air passenger travel is ramping up, anticipating a surge in demand. That translates to thousands more aircraft and new pilots. Boeing estimates that the world will need more than 600,000 new pilots between 2022 and 2041, and the biggest requirement is in Asia. Pilot training is a huge new growth industry, it seems. Aircraft manufacturers are salivating.’
      
      Source ; interest.co.nz
      
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      May 19, 2023 9:06am
  - cmm
    
    That is exactly the role of a panel. To choose what they think should be heard.
    It is pure activism and political machinations. Science left the building long ago (if it was ever there).
    
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    May 19, 2023 11:50am
- marcw
  
  Well Luxon was quoted as saying that Cyclone Gabrielle was caused by climate change. So Chris Bishop doesn’t have the monopoly on stupid statements.
  
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  May 19, 2023 8:52am
  - Random T Person
    
    You know what blows my mind? I think there are a huge number of people who think CC is a scam. But it is nigh impossible to find a pollie who outright says this is rubbish. What are they so afraid of? There was a facebook post from the BOP regional council the other day going on about carbon footprint and the responses were roundly rubbishing their CC claims, with all the ones saying this is just a scam being top voted comments.
    Yet, no pollie will put their hand up and say this is all a lot of hot air. For the wonder gas which constitutes just 0.04% of the atmosphere.
    
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    May 19, 2023 9:05am
    - Blog-aholic
      
      Maureen did…..nuff said.
      
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      May 19, 2023 9:21am
      - Random T Person
        
        Yep, and boy did she get a spanking from sopping wet Luxon.
        
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        May 19, 2023 10:20am
    - I remember when
      
      Any doubts about climate change will be expressed shortly after the full and frank review of the covid pandemic!
      
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      May 19, 2023 9:43am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      The culture of fear is here. Speak against the nutty narratives and you become an outcast. We live in clown world.
      
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      May 19, 2023 10:50am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      About 10 to 15% think CC is a scam according to most polls in NZ.
      
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      May 19, 2023 11:05am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Yep Wayne, go with the mass of dummies. It’s settled!🤪
        
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        May 19, 2023 11:24am
      - Interested Party
        
        Yeah about 45% of people support labour and greens – that’s a lot of stupid people
        
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        May 19, 2023 11:50am
      - cmm
        
        What scares me is that what National thinks should be their policy on CC (or anything else), is what the polls tell them to say.
        
        Bugger facts. Bugger science. Bugger informing and educating people.
        
        Nope: policy is defined by what the masses think. And what the masses think generally comes from two places:
        * The crap they read in the MSM/social media.
        *The crap put in their heads by border-line commie teachers.
        
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        May 19, 2023 11:55am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Wayne Mapp: “About 10 to 15% think CC is a scam according to most polls in NZ.”
        
        Name three of these polls and tell us who conducted them?
        
        Those onboard with the alarmism industrial complex are constantly pushing lies and exaggerations. The 97% consensus “study” for example has been shown to be disingenuous spin and highly misleading (junk methodology and a misleading conclusion that has been widely bandied about by credulous idiots).
        
        The NZ Royal Society debacle shows there are thousands of “scientists” who will support nutty narratives to stay on the gravy train. To stick one’s neck out in the current climate of mass insanity is a dangerous thing.
        
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        May 19, 2023 12:07pm
      - sirknz
        
        Doesn’t mean that the 10-15% are wrong though.
        
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        May 19, 2023 12:27pm
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        And, that’s not how science works. 97% of scientists knew Galileo was wrong…
        
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        May 19, 2023 12:44pm
      - Spam
        
        And how many think it is real, however that the effects are unlikely to be anything like what the media and politicians are telling us?
        
        Quite a few of the scientists doing the climate research, and the people writing the IPCC Assessment Report Working Group chapters. It’s when the politicians start writing the “Summary for policymakers” and then promoting it through the media that the issue becomes massively exaggerated.
        
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        May 19, 2023 2:34pm
      - miltonF
        
        That would be the falsity of truth through consensus. Hint: it doesn’t matter how many people believe something. That doesn’t make it true. Facts and evidence are what makes something true.
        
        Everyone knows that you can’t catch Covid after being vaccinated. It must be true because people believe it. /sarcasm
        
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        May 19, 2023 2:37pm
      - cmm
        
        @deity
        Just like the supposed “97% of scientists” of today, the scientists in Galileo’s time knew which side their bread was buttered on.
        
        Failing to speak out in support of CC, or wokery, or the vax or whatever will quickly find you kicked out of many “scientific” organisations that are careful to say the right thing because their career depends on doing so.
        
        Science is pretty much dead.
        
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        May 19, 2023 3:04pm
    - kowtow
      
      The most important and influential pollie in the world did .
      
      Mr Trump.
      
      And see how the Swamp took him down.
      
      And why .
      
      Cui bono.
      
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      May 19, 2023 12:11pm
    - rjay
      
      Would understand a little about BoP Regional Councils viewpoint of a crisis if leading coucillors did not have hobbies like stock car racing, motorbike tours and motorized runabout boats all of which chew up fossil fuels for zero productivity. They clearly don’t believe it themselves.
      
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      May 19, 2023 1:14pm
    - Countrygirl
      
      I seem to recall, and my memory may be faulty, that we as a country signed up to an agreement that we would promote and support the notion of climate change, or we were going to be in big trouble with the powers above us. Someone else may have a much better handle on this than I have
      
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      May 19, 2023 2:12pm
  - marcw
    
    This is the source of my post:
    
    https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/02/15/no-doubt-cyclone-gabrielle-a-result-of-climate-change-luxon/
    
    I reported my protest and objection to the Party, but got no reply.
    
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    May 19, 2023 9:41am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Heh, this is easily explained. You see, he doesn’t understand:
      
      “If you’re a climate change denier at the moment or even a minimalist, I just don’t understand how you can hold that position to be honest.”
      
      It’s not that he’s woke, he’s just uninformed and stupid. Move on…
      
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      May 19, 2023 1:16pm
    - Liberty
      
      Luxon is sucking up to the Greens.
      What a loser.
      
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      May 19, 2023 1:19pm
  - slightlyrighty
    
    The fact is, the climate is changing….
    
    However, climate has always changed. Where the debate is these days is about the causes of this change.
    
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    May 19, 2023 10:08am
    - Ghost
      
      Here is a good video on climate change.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE0zHZPQJzA
      
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      May 19, 2023 10:14am
- NZer In Exile
  
  The science is settled you troglodyte! Everyone says so! 🤬
  
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  May 19, 2023 10:48am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    The science is settled, and when the WEF/Green New Deal comes into effect, you will own nothing and be happy and live in a cave, you troglodyte!
    
    Fixed it for ya 🙂
    
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    May 19, 2023 1:38pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      I think troglodytes like caves, so that should be just fine
      
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      May 19, 2023 8:51pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Whether or not people ‘believe’ in ‘climate change’ shouldn’t prevent them from using their brain to figure a few simple things out.
  E.g.
  – Solar panels don’t work at night.
  – Wind turbines don’t generate anything when the wind isn’t blowing.
  Therefore, something else needs to generate the power during those times if we don’t want blackouts (hands up who wants blackouts), and whatever that is needs to generate everything we need at the time.
  Does that seem ‘cheap’ (as claimed by advocates of ruinable power)?
  And then there’s net zero. Sweet Jesus. Any number of people have done a few calculations and determined that it’s just not possible, let alone whether it’s necessary (it’s not). I have yet to hear a single NZ politician accept this is the case though.
  We don’t even need to get into other pesky facts like whether or not the climate is getting worse (it’s not), or if the sea level will rise by 30cm in the next 30 years (it won’t).
  
  BTW, if anybody has a seaside bach that they think is at risk of going under because Thwaites glacier is about to disappear, I’ll take it off your hands – I won’t even make you pay me to take it.
  
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  May 19, 2023 6:55pm
Scott

I have been saying for a while that NZ is declining in every conceivable metric. Health, education, law & order, the economy, we are in decline everywhere.

Take education. I only heard about this through Mike Hosking on Mike’s minute.
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/opinion/mikes-minute-we-dont-care-enough-about-education/

After searching I found anodyne headlines in the media, only the National party seemed concerned about the real crisis in education.

Among 10 year olds tested internationally using the Pirls test, our scores are our lowest ever. Despite sending huge amounts of money on education our scores are falling.
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2305/S00106/global-study-shows-nz-reading-ability-at-lowest-ever.htm

The other thing of note is that the test was administered in 2021. So our testing was done only on those kids who turn up to school. Presumably those half of NZ kids who don’t attend school regularly are underrepresented in the test? So maybe the reading scores among all NZ 10 year olds are worse?

The facts are that after 5 years of taxpayer funded state education Johny can’t read. And that is a disgrace.
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May 19, 2023 8:01am
- Simon
  
  There will be a large third world cohort within the NZ group that greatly lowers the overall reading standard. Dont look to closely at the study. Many things in NZ are forbidden.
  
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  May 19, 2023 8:45am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    If by “Third World” you are referring to new immigrants to NZ, you might be surprised to discover how well their youngsters (10 years old) do in speaking and reading English.
    
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    May 19, 2023 9:23am
    - Ghost
      
      I have a friend whose daughter and granddaughter recently moved over from Argentina, granddaughter already speaks 2 languages at 11.
      
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      May 19, 2023 10:12am
    - Simon
      
      ” by “Third World” you are referring to new immigrants to NZ”
      
      No definitely not. Do you live in NZ by the way? How could you ask such a question. Although it does prove the point about forbidden.
      
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      May 19, 2023 10:19am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yes, I live in NZ… In decile one land, Kaiti, Gisborne.
        
        I’m still none -the-wiser as to who you referring to as a large third world cohort within the NZ group
        
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        May 19, 2023 11:49am
  - Burtland
    
    from PIRLS 2021 …
    
    The % NZ students reaching the low benchmark (400) is 90%
    – most other comparable countries are around 95%
    So most countries have 5% not reaching the low benchmark, NZ has 10%.
    
    https://pirls2021.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/files/4-1_international-benchmarks-1.pdf
    
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    May 19, 2023 2:39pm
    - Burtland
      
      its interesting that they are also failing with the good readers
      – 11% reach Advanced compared to 18% for say England
      
      so thats about 18% of kids not reaching their reading potential
      
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      May 19, 2023 3:08pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘only the National party seemed concerned about the real crisis in education.’
  
  Act is very strong on education.
  
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  May 19, 2023 8:53am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yet they have been silent on the destruction.
    
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    May 19, 2023 1:09pm
    - kowtow
      
      Haven’t.
      
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      May 19, 2023 2:12pm
- mandk
  
  Yes, but Ginny Anderson has reliably informed us that Kiwis are feeling safer.
  
  And we can trust her word; she is the Minister for Police.
  
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  May 19, 2023 8:53am
  - Random T Person
    
    Hilarious. The barbarians are at the gate.
    
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    May 19, 2023 10:21am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Glad you said only Nats appear to be worried about it, Luxon picked up on it tge day he became an MP, media tried to rush him and they asked what is your biggest concern going into parliament, he stated education, he knew from standing on the side lines that education was bad in 2020, without even getting the data. Just maybe he has a good ear to problems after all, remembering of course ACT are supposed to be all about education, but not a murmur from Seymour, he would rather talk the foot soldier bullshit about two parties who are totally opposed to each other being the same.
  
  We have two choices, the continuation of this failure, or try something new, Luxon was all over Hipkins on what these muppets spent, Hipkins said I have. I idea, but Luxon knew exactly what the spend was, he now has the budget figures to work with, snd he will be able to develop policies that come much cheaper than the 60 billion extra we are slapped with now for worse out comes.
  
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  May 19, 2023 8:57am
  - leoj
    
    Luxon needs to get educated on the Climate Change scam, and, while he’s about it, get educated on the Covid scam.
    
    He was silent during the protest and when Bishop wanted to go door-to-door jabbing then throws Pugh under the bus for questioning climate change.
    
    Not only is he NOT a leader, he is also a non-leader who is out of touch with reality.
    
    The woke Nats are struggling to break 35% when they should be 15-20 points in front – and the above is why.
    
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    May 19, 2023 10:29am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      So you say Nats should be at 60plus %?, how the f… is that possible?, some of you people open your head and let the wind blow your tongues around, Nats are never going to get 60%, even if Act were still at half a%, where you fools get these ideas is beyond me, do you want Act support up, or do you want it down?
      
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      May 19, 2023 1:12pm
- Raphael
  
  “Hey Clint” spends a great deal of time on Twitter trying to claim that there are no problems in the Education Sector and that Labour truly loves each of us.
  
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  May 19, 2023 9:01am
- Burtland
  
  Heres the report https://pirls2021.org/results/achievement
  
  Average Reading Achievement and Scale Score Distributions 2011
  https://pirls2021.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/files/1-1_achievement-results-1.pdf
  
  The trends are quite interesting
  NZ is in slow decline(-2% over 15yrs) similar to Belgium Denmark Finland France Germany Italy Netherlands Sweden.
  Singapore bucks the trend and is increasing ( 11% over 20yrs).
  Girls are better than boys everywhere.
  https://pirls2021.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/files/2-1-1_achievement-trends-1.pdf
  
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  May 19, 2023 9:29am
- Ehlana
  
  Johnny probably started in ECE at 3, with 20 hours taxpayer funded learning each week, so it’s not 5 years education, it’s seven.
  
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  May 19, 2023 10:03am
  - Ghost
    
    If Johnny can’t read by the time he starts school why haven’t the parents been teaching him
    
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    May 19, 2023 10:08am
    - Scott
      
      My expectation and my parents expectation were that’s what we have a school for, to teach the kids to read and write and do arithmetic. We read stories to our children and my parents read stories to me. But they didn’t expect they would have to teach me how to read and write.
      
      Indeed when I was four I was sent to buy groceries by my mum. Because I couldn’t read at that point mum gave me a big note to give to the grocer and a little note to give to the butcher. 🙂
      
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      May 19, 2023 12:16pm
      - KH
        
        Sad. You say reading and writing should be left to school.
        Love from parents should have us all starting with the simple stuff even at age two and three. Something like counting fingers and toes, or recognizing the letter out name starts with.
        
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        May 19, 2023 12:44pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Mathematically correct Ehlana but practically dubious as far too much time in ECE is wasted on stone age language which applied so liberally at this age hinders real language development. This has been the case for over 10 years so the results are becoming evident now. It shows that putting crap in can only end up with crap out.
    
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    May 19, 2023 2:51pm
slightlyrighty

An excerpt from 1984.

‘Do you remember,’ he went on, ‘writing in your diary, ‘Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make
four’?’
‘Yes,’ said Winston.
O’Brien held up his left hand, its back towards Winston,
with the thumb hidden and the four fingers extended.
‘How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?’
‘Four.’
‘And if the party says that it is not four but five—then
how many?’
‘Four.’
The word ended in a gasp of pain. The needle of the dial
had shot up to fifty-five. The sweat had sprung out all over
Winston’s body. The air tore into his lungs and issued again
in deep groans which even by clenching his teeth he could
not stop. O’Brien watched him, the four fingers still extended. He drew back the lever. This time the pain was only
slightly eased.
‘How many fingers, Winston?’
‘Four.’
The needle went up to sixty.
‘How many fingers, Winston?’
‘Four! Four! What else can I say? Four!’
The needle must have risen again, but he did not look at
it. The heavy, stern face and the four fingers filled his vision.
The fingers stood up before his eyes like pillars, enormous,
blurry, and seeming to vibrate, but unmistakably four.
‘How many fingers, Winston?’
‘Four! Stop it, stop it! How can you go on? Four! Four!’
‘How many fingers, Winston?’
‘Five! Five! Five!’

https://youtube.com/shorts/Wq2joJpJ3IQ?feature=share

This is why I will never embrace the woke left.
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May 19, 2023 8:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  My head hurts now.
  
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  May 19, 2023 8:41am
- Rodney Hide
  
  Or Trans Women are Women.
  
  Rodney Hide
  
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  May 19, 2023 8:43am
- ClanMcleod
  
  “The vaccines are safe and effective, repeat after me, the vaccines are safe and effective”.
  
  Somebody was clearly studying ‘1984’ in the last 3 years.
  
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  May 19, 2023 9:09am
  - Lee C
    
    They should have studied Animal Farm:
    “Quick, quick!” he shouted. “Come at once! They’re taking Boxer away!” Without waiting for orders from the pig, the animals broke off work and raced back to the farm buildings. Sure enough, there in the yard was a large closed van, drawn by two horses, with lettering on its side and a sly-looking man in a low-crowned bowler hat sitting on the driver’s seat. And Boxer’s stall was empty.
    
    The animals crowded round the van. “Good-bye, Boxer!” they chorused, “good-bye!”
    
    “Fools! Fools!” shouted Benjamin, prancing round them and stamping the earth with his small hoofs. “Fools! Do you not see what is written on the side of that van?”
    
    That gave the animals pause, and there was a hush. Muriel began to spell out the words. But Benjamin pushed her aside and in the midst of a deadly silence he read:
    
    “‘Alfred Simmonds, Horse Slaughterer and Glue Boiler, Willingdon. Dealer in Hides and Bone-Meal. Kennels Supplied.’ Do you not understand what that means? They are taking Boxer to the knacker’s!”
    
    A cry of horror burst from all the animals. At this moment the man on the box whipped up his horses and the van moved out of the yard at a smart trot. All the animals followed, crying out at the tops of their voices. Clover forced her way to the front. The van began to gather speed. Clover tried to stir her stout limbs to a gallop, and achieved a canter. “Boxer!” she cried. “Boxer! Boxer! Boxer!” And just at this moment, as though he had heard the uproar outside, Boxer’s face, with the white stripe down his nose, appeared at the small window at the back of the van.
    
    “Boxer!” cried Clover in a terrible voice. “Boxer! Get out! Get out quickly! They’re taking you to your death!”
    
    All the animals took up the cry of “Get out, Boxer, get out!” But the van was already gathering speed and drawing away from them. It was uncertain whether Boxer had understood what Clover had said. But a moment later his face disappeared from the window and there was the sound of a tremendous drumming of hoofs inside the van. He was trying to kick his way out. The time had been when a few kicks from Boxer’s hoofs would have smashed the van to matchwood. But alas! his strength had left him; and in a few moments the sound of drumming hoofs grew fainter and died away. In desperation the animals began appealing to the two horses which drew the van to stop. “Comrades, comrades!” they shouted. “Don’t take your own brother to his death! ” But the stupid brutes, too ignorant to realise what was happening, merely set back their ears and quickened their pace. Boxer’s face did not reappear at the window. Too late, someone thought of racing ahead and shutting the five-barred gate; but in another moment the van was through it and rapidly disappearing down the road. Boxer was never seen again.
    
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    May 19, 2023 9:43am
  - kowtow
    
    How many times have we said it ;
    
    Orwell used it as a warning.
    
    Our govts ( of nearly all hues) use it as a training manual.
    
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    May 19, 2023 10:34am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Slightlyrighty men can have babies, men with a penis are women, children start to be sexual beings at birth, Māori mythology is science, mathematics are racist and Grant Robertson is an excellent finance minister. All the same thing as your 1984 quote and pushed by the hard left for the very same reason. I’ve heard it said the these people don’t see 1984 as a warning they see it as a handbook.
  
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  May 19, 2023 9:13am
  - Matt Long
    
    For Big Brother to have control a significant proportion of the population have to approve.
    
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    May 19, 2023 9:30am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Take a wander through a university, they are the incubators for right-think.
      
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      May 19, 2023 9:51am
      - leoj
        
        Hard left right-think….. fixed it for you.
        
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        May 19, 2023 10:32am
      - kowtow
        
        We can all learn to love Big Brother.
        
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        May 19, 2023 10:35am
    - cmm
      
      Approve? no.
      
      A significant proportion just have to bite their tongue.
      
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      May 19, 2023 3:06pm
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    Judging from the last few months the MSM have now banned the words “co governance / government” from voters in the runup to the election.
    
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    May 19, 2023 10:16am
    - Piniwi
      
      Right mate but you do realise this is all dictated to the compliant editors every Monday as per the agreement they signed for their 20 pieces of silver. The narrative is tightly controlled by Labour even to the extent of their trolls who follow the party line.
      
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      May 19, 2023 3:06pm
  - Piniwi
    
    But Stellaboxer it is amusing listening to the [Mod – use his name] trying to describe his attempt austere budget with his own special brand of word soup. Then we look a little closer to find he is propelling debt from the predicted $193 billion to $214.5 billion but hey no more zeros but just a lot more pain for team of 5 million.
    
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    May 19, 2023 3:01pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

So let’s get into those seriously flood damaged places to rescue people in our Prius’
Climate change my left tit.
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May 19, 2023 8:08am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  This is a reply to CJames’ post at 8am. Maybe I was half asleep?
  
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  May 19, 2023 8:43am
- CJames
  
  Wouldn’t be a Prius as they still have an ICE. It would be one of those $80k Teslas – a bit dearer than the 4X4 Hilux twincab. I know what I’d want in a civil disaster.
  
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  May 19, 2023 8:59am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes CJames. A 70s something Landcruiser with straight 6 engine copied from GM (blue flame) They are worth some dollars now.
    
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    May 19, 2023 5:55pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

J6 footage. I don’t see or hear anyone conversing with Trump.
I can tell you one thing, Trump Supporters do not dress like that.
https://billingsreport.com/j6-footage-the-exact-moment-the-government-waged-attack-ill-tell-you-exactly-where-sht-went-crazy-with-video-proof-must-see/
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May 19, 2023 8:11am
Maggie Pie

“I just googled ‘The 10 Best Stand-Up Specials of All Time’ and Grant Robertson came in at number one”

– Kate Hawkesby (ZB Early Edition)
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May 19, 2023 8:17am
Kumbukani Obi

So the Government is borrowing $160 million to give to the ‘gaming industry’. Why this industry, and what might be the effect? There is currently a critical shortage of skilled IT workers in New Zealand.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/meeting-the-future-demand-for-it-workers

Pouring money into the ‘gaming industry’ will make that part of the sector more attractive for designers, programmers, artists, and audio engineers. That will force up wages fore these folk as other industries that need these workers desperately big up prices. In turn that will lead to an increase in inflation. In tradeable services, such inflation will make New Zealand exports less competitive where such exports depend on this scarce, and now more expensive labour.

As inflation pressures are maintained over and above what they might have otherwise been, the RBNZ will need to maintain higher interest rates for longer.

The Government’s economic policies remind me of what I have read about policies between about 1970 to 1984. Governments desperately trying to stem problems popping up, but with a willful misunderstanding of the connections across the economy. As we head back to 1970s economic policies, the situation is worse than in the 1970s. That is because the increasing poverty of the nation is facing the evil twins of ethno-nationalist separatism and the climate change religion.
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May 19, 2023 8:17am
- kowtow
  
  There’s money to upgrade MP’s security .
  
  What about Joe Citizen ?
  
  They do like to look after themselves.
  
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  May 19, 2023 8:29am
- Swifty
  
  Picking winners.
  
  Always ends in tears.
  
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  May 19, 2023 8:38am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  That’s on top of the huge money given to gaming in the last few budgets, gotta have jobs for the dead beat that doesn’t leave their room and plays X box 20 hours a day
  
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  May 19, 2023 9:00am
- mandk
  
  You need to specify a credible counterfactual to examine the macroeconomic effects of not granting production subsidies to the gaming industry.
  
  With no subsidies in NZ and subsidies of up to 30% in Aus, we could see half or more of our gaming businesses and their staff leaving the county. The effects would be loss of personal and corporate tax revenues far in excess of the cost of the subsidies. A worsening of our balance of trade, resulting in either higher interest rates or a weaker dollar, the outcome of which would be greater inflation. And on top of this, a loss of skills.
  
  In a perfect world, there would be no subsidies, but in the world in which we live, the effects of no subsidies would be worse than the effect of granting them.
  
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  May 19, 2023 9:06am
  - Matt Long
    
    Which other sectors should be subsidised because they are subsidised in other countries?
    Food production? Car manufacturers? Railways?
    Maybe some of these should be nationalised for the public good?
    
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    May 19, 2023 9:34am
    - mandk
      
      Only the ones that can’t relocate overseas.
      
      This would exclude your food production and railways. And we don’t have any car production.
      
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      May 19, 2023 9:53am
      - mandk
        
        That should say, only the ones that can relocate overseas.
        
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        May 19, 2023 10:09am
      - Matt Long
        
        Food production can easily be displaced overseas, the government is achieving this with regulation.
        
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        May 19, 2023 10:13am
      - mandk
        
        @ Matt Long
        Regulation is a different matter from production subsidies.
        
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        May 19, 2023 10:30am
      - Ghost
        
        And we don’t have any car production. Not anymore we don’t
        
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        May 19, 2023 10:42am
    - cmm
      
      OK, so what’s the value in keeping those industries?
      If they can’t pay their way and need subsidies then what’s the point in having them?
      
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      May 19, 2023 12:06pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    we could see half or more of our gaming businesses and their staff leaving the county.
    
    That’s bound to happen, anyway.
    
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    May 19, 2023 10:30am
  - Kumbukani Obi
    
    “The effects would be loss of personal and corporate tax revenues far in excess of the cost of the subsidies. ”
    
    That is a bullshit argument. With a critical shortage of workers, subsidising this sector simply reduces output (and profits) in other industries.
    
    Eric Crampton nails it as usual:
    
    http://offsettingbehaviour.blogspot.com/2023/04/level-playing-fields.html
    
    “Dileepa quotes industry giving the standard line that taxes paid by workers in the subsidised industry could wind up being higher than the amount of the subsidy. But that’s completely irrelevant. Absent the subsidy, people would work in other industries where they’d pay taxes. If we extended that argument generally, it would mean giving every damned company a subsidy of up to a dollar less than the amount of tax paid by its workers. It’s nuts.”
    
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    May 19, 2023 2:31pm
- cmm
  
  The gaming industry employs people across a wide variety of skill sets – many of those in two main fields:
  * programmers of various sorts.
  * “creative” people, graphics artists etc.
  
  The programmers are required in many different organisations. Hire them into the games industry and it makes a shortage elsewhere.
  
  It is wrong to think they would otherwise leave and work in the games industry in Oz/USA. They’d do the same for other IT sector jobs anyway.
  
  So what it really comes down to is providing employment for the graphic artist types.
  
  If the principle was really worrying about skilled people like IT workers leaving, then there would be a whole raft of incentives for any industry with international competition: software development, plastic manufacturing, healthcare, …
  
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  May 19, 2023 3:22pm
Tony Stuart

Don’t believe everything Labour MP’s post on social media; here’s an example:

Arena Williams
@arenaa
$521m increase for tertiary education – that’s the biggest increase for the sector in 20 years. #Budget2023
2:21 PM · May 18, 2023

https://twitter.com/arenaa/status/1659021459786973184

There’s only one reason why there’s a “”$521m increase for tertiary education”, and that’s Te Pūkenga. Stuff reported this in December:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/130773783/te-pkenga-needs-almost-500m-in-extra-funding-amid-calls–to-end-out-of-control-spending

The polytechnic mega-merger has been, in the words of National’s Tertiary Education spokeswoman Penny Simmonds “an unmitigated disaster”. Ms Simmonds would know; for 23 years she was the CEO of the hugely successful Southland Institute of Technology, New Zealand’s best known and best performing vocational training institution.

Here’s how bad Te Pūkenga is. When all the tertiary providers were merged, no one thought that it might be a good idea to integrate 16 different IT systems into one common system. The bill for that is going to be in excess of $400 million, an eye-watering sum. And Te Pūkenga is going to require more bailouts to cover its multi-million dollar budget blowouts.

Thankfully, a whole lot of that money may never have to be spent. If National becomes the government in October, Penny Simmonds will almost certainly be the Minister responsible for the tertiary sector. She told a public meeting in Whanganui a few weeks ago that whilst Chris Luxon wants Te Pūkenga disestablished within 100 days, she’s not going to wait that long, and the mega-merger experiment will be over by Christmas!

It’s not Arena Williams’ only Budget gaffe though; she also claimed her father was spending $50 per month in prescription charges. She’s so ill-informed she is unaware that there is a maximum charge for 20 items per family per year, so at the most he would have paid $100, not the $600 she claimed. And Ms Williams is often reported as being one of Labour’s smarter up-and-coming MP’s. God only knows what the not-so-smart must be like!
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May 19, 2023 8:19am
- Kumbukani Obi
  
  It is just pathetic. Yet another example of these people thinking “spending money” is an achievement.
  
  Imagine a CEO addressing a shareholders meeting. “Great news. Our costs this year have reached a new record.”
  
  As for the prescription charges, removing the $5 charge is a terrible, regressive policy. I would rather see charges of around $15, but maintaining generous safety nets for welfare folk and high users. Why should someone on a high income who only gets 2 or 3 prescriptions per year get them for free? Note that the copayment in Australia is $A 30 per prescription, but with generous safety nets.
  
  https://www.pbs.gov.au/info/about-the-pbs#:~:text=From%201%20January%202023%2C%20you,and%20certain%20other%20allowable%20charges).
  
  Of course, the upside for Australia is that the massive revenues from these copayments are used to buy medicines not available in New Zealand.
  
  Goods luck trying to get rational policy back. Now everyone expects to get their medicines for “free”. Just watch the people celebrating “free” medicines in the same breath ask why Australia has many medicines available that are not available in New Zealand.
  
  The country is heading down the Argentinian road of incoherence and lies.
  
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  May 19, 2023 8:32am
  - Ian Boag
    
    The problem with targetting any sort of “benefit” (using the term in a general sense) is what happens when you roll off the end.
    
    PaulL wrote about this issue at length in a recent series of posts. There is no solution ….
    
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    May 19, 2023 9:00am
    - alloytoo
      
      In Robertson’s case he sees that as a “SEP”.
      
      “Someone Else’s Problem”
      
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      May 19, 2023 10:04am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Where to start with these lies, for a start has as of a billion has been wiped from disestablishing first year free that was supposed to be all years free by now, also the meds are costed for three months, so she is lying, if she is correct, it means he is receiving 30 items a day, that is utter bullshit
  
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  May 19, 2023 9:04am
- marcw
  
  It is possible that Williams’ father may be prescribed medicines which are not on the Pharmac schedule – in which case he may be paying more than the $100 cap. But AW should have included this information when making her claim if this is the case, and the removal of the $5 per item charge will not change all his costs as the non-schedule fees still remain.
  
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  May 19, 2023 9:04am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    My mother had a med not prescribed because of funding, it was costing her $130 a quarter, and that was for simple meds for reflux, the generic one they changed too did not work, she is talking crap
    
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    May 19, 2023 1:18pm
    - Ghost
      
      Yeah, I’m on that, the generic is rubbish, I can’t take it, caused me to have tachycardia and did nothing for acid, and two months ago they upped the price more. Also just started a pill I have to get made up by a compound pharmacist at $110 per 3 months.
      
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      May 19, 2023 1:29pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Tony, Labour have been doing that sort of thing for years. I pointed it out to them (with the actual facts) on a Labour site years ago. And got slapped with a ban by Clare Curran.
  
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  May 19, 2023 10:45am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Kari Lake.
“However, someone from above them told election officials to count the votes anyway.
Did Katie Hobbs give that order and if she did, was she aware that there were forged signatures? One could cost her the election, but the latter could gain her an orange jumpsuit.”

Well, of course she did. As Secretary of State for Arizona she was overseeing the Election and refused to ‘recuse’ herself. In other words she wanted to control the cheating. Democrats have to cheat to win. 81 million votes my arse.

https://billingsreport.com/kari-lake-at-war-with-maricopa-county-has-three-whistleblowers-and-video-evidence-debunking-signature-verification/
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May 19, 2023 8:21am
Maggie Pie

Rumors that Chippie has promised his Maori Caucus he will get a moko if Labor are re-elected in October, are fast gaining currency!

https://twitter.com/LabourMaoriNZ/status/1659025379347292161

Maori Maori Maori…….
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May 19, 2023 8:28am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, has he asked his wife?
  
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  May 19, 2023 8:39am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    He is separated from his wife and has been for some time… iirc the news on this matter
    
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    May 19, 2023 9:12am
- oldpark
  
  @M P 8.28 am
  Maybe that is why Maori were given another 800 Million Dollars in the budget to supplement long past Covid Multi Million Handouts .That has nothing to do with treaty settlements.Just maybe to satisfy Willie Jackson?or else.The mind boggles.
  
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  May 19, 2023 9:03am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What a virtue signalling idiot, if he has to buy their silence then he is not fit to govern
  
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  May 19, 2023 9:06am
- Blog-aholic
  
  The comments pretty much sum up the nations thinking for sure…..
  
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  May 19, 2023 9:36am
- leoj
  
  The biggest beneficiaries of the budget were maori.
  
  The maori caucus still have Chippie by the short and curlies.
  
  Nothing has changed since Saint Cindy did a runner.
  
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  May 19, 2023 10:36am
- My
  
  This just makes me sad.
  Every time I hear the radio add promoting free flu shots for Māori and Pacific people over 55 I hang my head in shame at the blatant racism
  My my Maori father qualifies, my mother does not. He pays for his anyway.
  
  Replacing the sense of entitlement with a sense of self worth and reliance is going to be a massive job for (hopefully) the new Government.
  
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  May 19, 2023 1:07pm
  - riffer
    
    You’re not thinking this one through enough.
    
    It’s not a matter of racial preference. It’s a recognition of the poorer health of Maori in general and pure economic sense in particular.
    
    It’s a lot cheaper to give them a flu shot than it is to look after them in the hospital for a week or so when they get really sick.
    
    Same as with the $5 prescription fees. Many people just don’t have the means to pay for their scripts – it’s never just one, it’s always multiple the quack gives you – and so they go without, and end up in hospital.
    
    And I can tell you it costs a damn sight more for one (or more) days in hospital than $5.
    
    The lack of critical thinking here astounds me some times. If you all think Maori have it so good why don’t you try being Maori for a while and see how good it really is?
    
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    May 19, 2023 2:26pm
    - Che Guava
      
      If we generalise for the sake of argument, it isn’t that Maori “have it good” necessarily, in the sense of their particular states of affairs; it’s that they receive benefits that are denied others on racial criteria. So no, I wouldn’t like to be your average Maori – they often experience bad states of affairs, even with the extra privilege they receive. The point of contention is the fact of racial favouritism as an input, not the fact of any ultimate outputs.
      
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      May 19, 2023 2:42pm
    - miltonF
      
      Some heavy racist undertones in your comment.
      
      “Why don’t you try being a Māori and see how easy it is.”
      
      A non racist would say we should treat everyone equally, as there is no material difference between races.
      
      A racist would say we need to treat Māori preferentially, because their life is so hard due to their race.
      
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      May 19, 2023 2:56pm
      - Che Guava
        
        There are clearly material differences between races, it’s just un-PC to say so. This doesn’t diminish anyone’s dignity, but it is a cold hard fact. Innate general characteristics is a much more plausible explanation for general disparities between races than hard-to-define and hard-to-point to “systemic disadvantage.”
        
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        May 19, 2023 3:13pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      How about assess PEOPLE on the basis of need, not race?That would be a lot more rational and a lot less racist. Thought that one through oh wise one?
      
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      May 19, 2023 6:49pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      MY: ‘My my Maori father qualifies, my mother does not’
      ————————————————
      Riffer: ‘… why don’t you try being Maori for a while and see how good it really is?’
      ______________________
      Riffer, I think you missed the obvious: if MY’s father is Maori then MY is Maori & doesn’t have to try to be Maori.
      
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      May 19, 2023 9:05pm
Paulus

We are told this morning that there are 400,000 Trusts in little New Zealand.
Large numbers of them are Maori as the lists I have seen.
Will such as Taiuni and Ngai Tahu pay any taxes let alone new increase tax rate ?
As the Assets are not owned by individuals they cannot as nobody knows who the individual members 0f the Iwi are.
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May 19, 2023 8:32am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Maori Trusts pay 17.5% tax. The increase in Trust tax to 39% will just see assets moved to companies where the rate is 28% so 11% less. We like most have a Trust and a Company so we can legally minimise tax. The Budget allows for an additional $350M chump change and it wont even be that. Even this Government knows that increasing the company rate would stuff the economy. In fact there are calls to lower the rate to 25% or even less.
  
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  May 19, 2023 9:39am
  - Dougal10
    
    This is about getting rid of inter generational wealth done via trusts . Once they are abandoned for a company structure David Parker as revenue minister will lift death duties up from zero where they are currently set .
    
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    May 19, 2023 10:17am
  - Ian Boag
    
    If you park your business in a company yes the company pays 28%. If you want some of the tax-paid profit for yourself you pay it out as a dividend. That will be taxable less the imputation credit so the the total tax paid will be the same as what it would have been if you had been paid it direct.
    
    Ditto if you park the company in a trust. Money in your hand will be fully taxed once it has been distributed.
    
    Alas ….
    
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    May 19, 2023 11:29am
  - Jack5
    
    It’s registration as charities that enables some Maori tribal-owned businesses to operate free of tax. They have followed the example of Sanitarium, owned by the Seventh Day Adventist Church, and which trades as a charity.
    
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    May 19, 2023 11:32pm
Nickc2

$825,000,000.00 for Maori initiatives?
I say BS!
IMO, it’s this Govt using taxpayer money to patch up its relationship with its Maori Caucus, direct Maori attention away from separatism for a while, and buy Maori votes.
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May 19, 2023 8:39am
- leoj
  
  Chippie and [Mod – use his correct name] – scammed by the maori caucus, yet again.
  
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  May 19, 2023 10:37am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Mod: Why aren’t you asking him to use Chippie’s real name?
    
    [Mod – I am sure even you know that Chris also goes by chippy]
    
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    May 19, 2023 12:15pm
  - leoj
    
    Chippie is not a real name either.
    
    Thanks for the consistency.
    
    [Mod – however it is a nickname that everyone knows he goes by and is acceptable here]
    
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    May 19, 2023 12:18pm
JimBobJoe

Jay Bhattacharya reflecting on COVID policies. Video from the Hoover Institutes excellent Uncommon Knowledge series on Youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2e3QAYrzR0&list=TLPQMTgwNTIwMjPi9J9aSV7gYA&index=4&ab_channel=HooverInstitution
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May 19, 2023 8:40am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Jay and the co authors and the almost 1 million signatories to the standout Great Barrington Declaration were right about this from the very earliest days.
  
  https://gbdeclaration.org/
  
  Focused protection was the key.
  
  Simon Thornley and colleagues at Covid Plan B took exactly the same position. They were also correct.
  
  https://www.covidplanb.co.nz/
  
  A balanced response to COVID-19
  
  Baker, Wiles, Hendy, Bloomfield, Hipkins, Ardern, Jackson and every other “expert” who were given unrestricted rights to lie on every media platform in the country were wrong about every policy re covid which they inflicted on us.
  In fact, they’ve been rewarded for lying.
  
  All of the people who have now been proven to be correct in all aspects of their stance re covid policy were castigated, vilified, de platformed and smeared.
  There were no “conspiracy theories”. There was a clear campaign to push a fake narrative and an active attack on everyone who failed to support it. That’s a fact.
  
  We’re seeing the same thing happening now with “climate change”.
  
  The establishment is compromised and does not work in the best interests of most people.
  
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  May 19, 2023 9:22am
  - cmm
    
    Although I might be in the camp of those who were “proven right”, I really think that judging people on whether they were “proven right”” or “proven wrong” is the wrong way to look at it.
    
    The only reasonable way to judge decision making is based on the information that was available to people at the time. That is the only reasonable criterion on which to judge a decision.
    
    When new information comes to light after the decision was made, then it is unfair/wrong to judge the decision in the light of the outcomes.
    
    Analogy: Someone speeds around a blind corner in the rain. They cannot see what is up ahead. Are they “proven right” or “proven wrong” depending on whether they hit something? Nope. They did the wrong thing regardless of outcome.
    
    So I have no problems if scientists/policy makers look at all the information, make the best call they can based on the information, then things go the other way and they were “proven wrong”.
    
    What I do object to though is that information was deliberately suppressed and all that was allowed was a certain narrative. Although dressed up as scientists they were not acting as scientists. They were just being activists and shills.
    
    Instead of asking dissenting voices about their opinions and trying to gain a full understanding of the issues, dissenting voices were brutally shut down. And yes, I use the word “brutally” deliberately.
    
    Useful information that really could improve health outcomes (eg. that on Vitamin D) was suppressed. People have lost faith in useful (real) vaccines leading to measles outbreaks etc. All these were trampled on to create a bullshit narrative.
    
    Whether they were “proved right” or “proved wrong” in the end is really immaterial and the wrong way to look at it.
    
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    May 19, 2023 3:40pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      cmm – I understand the point you’re trying to make but I disagree. This isn’t hindsight. The information was readily available to anyone making minimal effort to find it. As per my links to the Great Barrington Declaration and Covid Plan B. There were plenty of voices trying to be heard and who were actively suppressed.
      For a layperson like me, that was the alarm bell. The idea that all of the so called experts in NZ collectively didn’t know this is nonsensical. They knew it and they decided very early on which side they were going to take. They took the easy one with the backing of money and power to help suppress truth.
      
      A few like Simon Thornley raised there heads and were mercilessly attacked. It was a devastating time for him and his few colleagues who tried to speak truthfully.
      
      No, the “experts” were wrong. “New information” didn’t suddenly appear, it was always there, they chose to ignore it, deliberately.
      They were wrong, they are cowards, liars and frauds, every last one of them, and they know they are. They have that to live with.
      
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      May 20, 2023 8:08am
- mawm
  
  JimBob – maybe someone should play this for Seymour and shame him about his stance on Covid.
  
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  May 19, 2023 3:10pm
Matt Long

A few days ago our esteemed regular commenter Mike, Milky, Again dropped another of his pearls regarding replacing animism in the Reserve Bank with a more preferred religion.
It does raise some interesting points about how religion effects the culture and economic wellbeing of a nation.
If we look at various dominant religious world views and the success of a nation, what nations practice animism?
Present day Haiti.
Pre Christian Maori.
Most pre Christian stone age cultures.
Variations in Nepal, mixed with Hindu, Bhuddist.
Atheistis Regimes?
Soviet Union
Cuba
Venezuela
Islamic?
North Africa
Arabia
Pakistan
Bangladesh
Hindu?
India
Buddhist?
SEAsia
Catholic?
France
Southern Europe
South America
Orthodox?
Russia
Ukraine
Lutheran?
Germany prior to the 21st Century
Other Protestant?
Northern Europe
Former British Empire Countries
North America Excluding Mexico
*Other protestant all prior to the 21st Century when atheistic socialism became dominant.
Which ideology makes for the best society to live in?
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May 19, 2023 8:42am
- kowtow
  
  The wealthiest state in Germany is Bavaria .
  The north of Italy is industrial and wealthy.
  
  Both RC.
  
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  May 19, 2023 8:59am
  - Matt Long
    
    I was really hoping our people who acknowledge atheism is the best ism would present me with a long list of really successful atheist states.
    Revolutionary France perhaps?
    Albania?
    NZ Labour?
    
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    May 19, 2023 1:09pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  You missed China. Is it Buddhist, Taoist, Confucian, Communist, Atheist?
  
  A bit hard to generalise, nowadays.
  
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  May 19, 2023 9:10pm
  - Matt Long
    
    The dominant philosophy of the ruling CCP party is Atheist Marxism as espoused by Mao.
    
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    May 20, 2023 10:17am
peterwn

Police have made an arrest for arson with respect to the Newtown hostel fire. I would venture to suggest that if the building had sprinklers they would not have gone off, even if they had been checked the day before.
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May 19, 2023 8:48am
- marcw
  
  Can you please explain why you suggest “if the building had sprinklers they would not have gone off”. Most sprinkler systems are designed to work – that’s what they are for.
  
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  May 19, 2023 9:28am
  - Keith White
    
    It’s easy to stop sprinklers from turning on even when the temp rises quickly and high. Turn off the water supply – there’s always a shutoff valve in case they turn on & start flooding the place – turn off at the central control panel, etc.
    
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    May 19, 2023 9:37am
  - Matt Long
    
    Because the arsonist would have turned them off.
    
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    May 19, 2023 9:47am
ClanMcleod

Krystal Ball, formerly with The Hill Rising, showing how to make a complete dick of yourself and how not to conduct an interview. By asking questions then not letting your interviewee speak, particularly when it’s RFK Jr. and he fully understands the subject and is clearly going to eviscerate you if you actually let him get a word in.

https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1658901421108994050?s=20

Interesting comments on her own Twitter feed. Shredded by the majority of comments who all point out her disgraceful hack job on Kennedy. It’s an excellent interview. He remains calm and polite while she continues to talk over the top of him.

Moron.

https://twitter.com/krystalball/status/1659269523621519360?s=20
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May 19, 2023 8:49am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Here’s the Youtube video link.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7-0LNiMIBA
  
  23,000 down votes to 3,500 up votes. The people have spoken (the comments are brilliant) RFK is right, Krystal Ball is a media hack.
  
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  May 19, 2023 8:58am
Maggie Pie

As my partner just said…the average New Zealand punter will now be able save 5 bucks on prescription fees, but end up paying an additional $600 a fortnite on their mortgage.

Robbo eh?
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May 19, 2023 8:54am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Don’t forget an extra 15 bucks a tank of fuel
  
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  May 19, 2023 9:07am
- MCōs
  
  The guy who can’t pay five dollars, here, right now, for a prescription probably isn’t paying an additional $600/fortnight on his mortgage, if he has one.
  https://twitter.com/kiwi_kali/status/1659105097278693376?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
  
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  May 19, 2023 9:15am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    C’mon Cossie read my post. That’s hardly your… ‘average NZ punter’
    
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    May 19, 2023 9:32am
  - leoj
    
    We all started life with the same opportunities M. If someone hasn’t got $5, it’s not my fault, or yours.
    
    Equal outcomes (a wet dream of lefties) will never happen because you cannot deny human nature. Some will succeed, some will fail. Much depends on attitude, application and life choices.
    
    When governments try to achieve equal outcomes, many people simply give up as that is the least path of resistance. It encourages poor choices.
    
    Reward for effort might be brutal for some but to punish success will never work. Handouts create nothing but more handouts.
    
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    May 19, 2023 10:49am
  - cmm
    
    If you rent you’re paying a mortgage – just indirectly.
    
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    May 19, 2023 12:13pm
  - graham
    
    What on earth does “… they were too whakamā to tell us …” mean?
    
    If I have to stop reading somebody’s post to Google what the hell they’re trying to say, then why would I bother continuing to read it?
    
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    May 19, 2023 12:29pm
    - riffer
      
      whakama means “ashamed”.
      
      Honestly, man, how many times have you googled a foreign word or a medical word or a less well used English word?
      
      Whining because you had to look up a word that is in an official language of this country makes you sound either a) whiney or b) ignorant or c) bigoted.
      
      Grow up. The world doesn’t revolve around you.
      
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      May 19, 2023 2:30pm
      - Ghost
        
        Doesn’t really matter what the word means when you read the full thread of the doctor explaining why scrapping the fee is important.
        
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        May 19, 2023 2:33pm
      - graham
        
        “The world doesn’t revolve around you.”
        
        There are a number of people in this country who could do with learning that …
        
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        May 19, 2023 4:39pm
- Raphael
  
  and those of us near a Chemist Warehouse don’t pay the $5 anyhow.
  
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  May 19, 2023 9:16am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I do, but I don’t mind paying that little bit to keep myself healthy
    
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    May 19, 2023 9:21am
  - MCōs
    
    My impression of the Australian owned Chemist Warehouse is they are a bulk movers of food additives and the like.
    We went there to get a flu jab for my wife, but the appropriate nurse wasn’t in for a couple more hours.
    We were also after some gargle, but the expiry date was only a month or two away
    So the stuff was cheap, but there was a downside.
    
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    May 19, 2023 9:35am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Their frag selection is fab tho Cossie.
      
      I can get the 50ml ‘Tom Ford Fking’ there for at least a hundy LESS than what you’d pay at S&C.
      
      What’s Mrs Cos fave?
      
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      May 19, 2023 9:49am
  - alloytoo
    
    So this is ultimately a corporate subsidy anyway.
    
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    May 19, 2023 10:08am
  - Piniwi
    
    But the obvious question now is will the Government be paying Chemist Warehouse who might see a handy margin gain by charging/claiming it?
    
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    May 19, 2023 3:29pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  And unlike their prescription that they dont get every fortnite their mortgage payments HAVE to be made.
  
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  May 19, 2023 9:25am
- rangitoto
  
  Not to mention the extra cost of fuel.
  
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  May 19, 2023 10:08am
plc

Probably missed in yesterday’s budget, but we are now going to centralise science, research and innovation
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May 19, 2023 9:11am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh Gosh…
  You mean Bring back the DSIR?
  
  They’re also going to resurrect the MofW… Rau Paenga
  
  https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-national-resilience-plan-rebuild-better#:
  
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  May 19, 2023 9:40am
  - Phronesis
    
    Except the DSIR wasn’t centralised in Wellington. It’s interesting how quietly this has been done but the likes of Otago University are completely screwed now.
    
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    May 19, 2023 10:06am
  - Burtland
    
    Government science got screwed a long time ago – failure to teach STEM properly has put the skids under it – Megan Woods prioritizing maori and pasifica just lubricated the skids.
    
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    May 19, 2023 10:26am
- Burtland
  
  So $450M to make Wellington a “science city” with three hubs
  1 national centre for studies on oceans, climate and hazards
  2 health and pandemic readiness
  3 advanced manufacturing and materials, energy futures and biotech
  
  “This is new funding for New Zealand science and underlines our commitment to building a modern, future-focused research, science and innovation system.”
  
  The three-year makeover will tackle long-standing diversity gaps across our universities and institutes – particularly among under-represented Māori and Pasifika researchers.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/budget-2023-400m-to-help-make-wellington-a-science-city/JE622H4E3ZB7ZH3ODH54PAHXA4/
  
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  May 19, 2023 10:02am
  - cmm
    
    All branches of the the most important type of science: political science.
    
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    May 19, 2023 12:15pm
  - kowtow
    
    They should study Welly’s geology before pissing away too much money into it.
    
    Now that would be ‘scientific”.
    
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    May 19, 2023 12:17pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Our medical schools are in Dunedin and Auckland so surely a health science hub would make more sense in one of those places – probably Auckland, since it has the most people and they come from a very wide variety of backgrounds.
    
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    May 19, 2023 1:54pm
Matt Long

Question for the economists, if inflation is invariably caused by an increase in money supply, why is it cured by interest rate rises which appear to just be a method to redistribute money from borrowers to depositors?
Wouldn’t the way to reduce the money supply, assuming the government has complete inability to reduce wasteful spending, be to increase taxation or kiwisaver contributions?
I’m not in favour of either of those options but New Zealand having higher interest rates, and a strong dollar because of the carry trade, balances the terms of trade in favour of imports instead of exports and disadvantages local manufacturers and producers.
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May 19, 2023 9:14am
- Phronesis
  
  It works because on average depositors spending is less influenced by interest rates than borrowers. But you’re quite right it’s not ideal. The obvious problem with manipulating kiwisaver is that it’s not compulsory. Increasing taxation would work but only if the money was used to pay off debt, this government is increasing taxes and borrowing to increase spending. So there is an alternative solution as you say but it’s not politically viable if you want to get reelected.
  The broad macroeconomic issues are pretty simple but politicians are only interested in their own ideology and the next trough.
  
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  May 19, 2023 10:14am
  - mogg
    
    Increasing borrowing and taxes in order to spend more. This is despite Robbo’s already massive increase in tax take, $43B according to Willis. The govt sponsored media are keeping quiet about the increased taxation by stealth (tax bracket creep) and the higher GST receipts from inflationary price increases.on everything. Robbo’s ‘loose money’ budget has caused a big jump in 5&10 yr govt bonds, expect higher interest rates and inflation for longer.
    Middle NZ with mortgages should be very angry.
    
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    May 19, 2023 11:39am
    - Matt Long
      
      Funny how Orr started off by stress testing banks and mortgagees then created the conditions to he was worried might occur.
      All my floating rates up another 25 basis points today.
      
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      May 19, 2023 1:13pm
- miltonF
  
  Interest rates aren’t a “cure” for inflation. They simply constrain the effects or symptoms of inflation, that being price increases. It does so by encouraging savings and reducing spending. The idea is that if this money is “locked up” it won’t be spent into the economy, spurring demand and increasing prices.
  
  The real “cure” for inflation is deflation. Reducing the money supply. This happens when we pay off our debt. The finance minister does not seem to understand this. The govt keeps increasing spending and debt.
  
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  May 19, 2023 3:07pm
greybeard

Where are we living – Wonderland ?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/warriors/132041938/manu-vatuvei-to-return-to-warriors-wellbeing-department-set-to-be-released-from-prison-for-importing-meth

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300878156/former-burglar-shares-tips-on-how-to-keep-your-house-safe
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May 19, 2023 9:15am
- Maggie Pie
  
  LOL!!
  ‘Former burglar shares tips on how to keep your house safe’
  
  No mention of Easy-Off or Mossberg then?
  
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  May 19, 2023 9:28am
- kowtow
  
  I’m so relieved that Vatuvei was only convicted for a serious narcotics offence and not for sending a tweet ………
  
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  May 19, 2023 9:31am
- MCōs
  
  We watch Border Control
  Guys get sent off to prison for 4, 8yrs for clumsy attempts to bring in some drugs that will bugger up a few lives.
  On the other hand
  Chinese women bring in undeclared food of the most revolting kind that they are told has the potential to wipe out all the chooks in Oz, and most of the cows, and they get a $400 fine and sent on their way with cherry wave.
  
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  May 19, 2023 9:50am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Luv BC as well. Did you see that pair of old gay guys last night absolutely lose it during the bag search? What a pair of nasty pr*cks. The blonde girl was only doing her job 😀
    
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    May 19, 2023 10:02am
- Flossie
  
  And there’s a movement to ban alcohol ads on jerseys and at the sports ground. Alcohol is legal. At the moment anyway.
  
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  May 19, 2023 11:02am
  - riffer
    
    If it was new to the market now, though, what do you think would happen?
    
    Do you really think it wouldn’t be declared a controlled substance?
    
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    May 19, 2023 2:33pm
I remember when

Council’s fight over water use ruling: Northern Outlook.
Christchurch City Council is investigating legal options as ECan interpretation of water bottling decision delays millions of dollars worth of projects.
ECan lastyear stopped approving consents for activities that intercept groudwater, including wetlands and stormwater projects, after a Court of Appeal ruling.
The ruling quashed ECan decision allowing Cloud Ocean Water and Rapaki to extract 8.8 billion litres a year using decades-old consents granted for industrial use.
Cloud Ocean Water has appealed to the Supreme Court.
The ruling effectively meant water could be used for its original purpose – meat processing and scouring wool – but not bottling water.
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May 19, 2023 9:32am
- Burtland
  
  expect to see much more of this with Iwi involved in water – the blocking of water consents is Ngai Tahu at work. They have a conflict of interest having big dairy investments. They were also involved in the collapse of ECan under National.
  
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  May 19, 2023 10:10am
  - I remember when
    
    Ngai Tahu haven’t been able, to date, to get all the consents they need for their farming enterprises.
    They have had to change their land use intentions for some of the their land.
    
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    May 19, 2023 10:53am
    - KH
      
      Ngai Tahu is a big dairy polluter. So being special people they are getting major control over our water.
      Go figure.
      
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      May 19, 2023 12:54pm
ClanMcleod

2 men in their 20s have been arrested for shooting a teenager in a road rage incident a couple of nights ago. They chased the car for a number of kilometres and when the distressed vehicle pulled into a service station, their vehicle was shot at and the teenage girl was hit.
The police charges?

“The men have been jointly charged with wounding with reckless disregard and injuring with reckless disregard.

Surely pointing a firearm at a vehicle with people in it and deliberately firing at the vehicle and occupants is attempted murder?
I’m not a legal expert, but I find this charge bizarre. Maybe there is more to the story that hasn’t been released yet. Weird.
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May 19, 2023 9:37am
- Inandout
  
  CM, yet a shopkeeper musn’t hurt robbers.
  
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  May 19, 2023 9:53am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It’s a bizarre, inverted world we currently inhabit, east is west, up is down, 2 + 2 = 5. Deliberate gaslighting and confusion I believe.
    
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    May 19, 2023 10:19am
- David Garrett
  
  Clan: As you probably know, I don’t do criminal law, but I understand police rarely charge people with attempted murder because it is a very hard charge to prove. I would tend to agree with you, but perhaps FES or someone else from the criminal bar might be able to explain this seeming oddity.
  
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  May 19, 2023 10:26am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    DG – yes, I understand it’s some sort of legal quirk, but when you point a loaded weapon in someone’s direction and pull the trigger? “Whoops, I was just trying to give them a fright” doesn’t really cut the mustard does it?
    Law and justice are completely different things these day.
    
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    May 19, 2023 10:53am
    - Ghost
      
      Personally I’d like to see drunk drivers charged with attempted murder and murder. It instead they get a wet bus ticket and continue on their way to be repeat drunk drivers causing accidents, over and over again.
      
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      May 19, 2023 10:56am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Ghost – there’s a massive difference, deliberately pointing a weapon at a person, that is specifically designed to kill, is clearly attempted murder.
        
        Being an idiot and driving while impaired with alcohol is clearly not attempted murder. Manslaughter, maybe. I agree, punishment for repeat drunk driving in particular should increase in severity with each conviction.
        Speeding/dangerous drivers (donuts, drag racing etc) are closer to attempted murder. They don’t have an excuse of judgment being impaired through excess alcohol. They willingly and consciously decide to drive like dickheads.
        
        I’m not defending drunk drivers, pointing out the difference between consciously deciding to kill someone and being a twat. They aren’t the same thing.
        
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        May 19, 2023 12:21pm
      - cmm
        
        Well there really should not be any distinction between attempted murder and murder.
        
        Often, the only difference between attempted murder and murder is whether the victim received effective medical attention. eg the ambulance getting there quickly, quality of the medical team etc.
        
        The criminal should be charged based on their offending not on the luck of the draw further down the line.
        
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        May 19, 2023 12:21pm
- kowtow
  
  Charges indicate the firearm hasn’t been found .
  
  Anyone feeling safer yet .
  
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  May 19, 2023 12:01pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Another Mass Shooting in NZ
  
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  May 19, 2023 12:07pm
- riffer
  
  It’s hard to prove murder because of intent. You have to prove that they specifically pointed the gun at that particular person specifically with the intent of ending their life.
  
  Much easier to prove that they were completely reckless with something that was likely to cause injury if used recklessly and they caused injury.
  
  I’d much rather that they were found guilty of that charge then found innocent of attempted murder.
  
  Same as if you were drag racing and you crashed and killed a bystander. Now we all know the person died. But it’s very hard to prove that the person deliberately sped with the intention of driving into the person and ending their life.
  
  It’s all about motive. Reckless doesn’t require a motive. All it requires is a complete munter doing as munters do.
  
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  May 19, 2023 2:37pm
Maggie Pie

Anybody ever come across Wellington man… Nigel Adams?

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1659269527618691098

🙁 🙁 🙁
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May 19, 2023 9:40am
- Ghost
  
  Pitiful sentence but at least it is better than this one
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/132013842/man-used-covert-camera-to-film-boys-getting-changed-at-public-pools
  
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  May 19, 2023 11:11am
Scooter

Budget 34 million over 2 years for a Kapa Haka festival held every 2 years. Shouldn’t Iwi be paying for that out of treaty settlements if they really cared about their Maori culture.
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May 19, 2023 9:41am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If we are going to fund cultural activities and entities that interest only a select few…
  
  e.g. NZSO, NZ Ballet, NZ Music Commission, NZ Film Commission, etc, then I have no problem with Te Matatini being in the mix.
  
  https://mch.govt.nz/mch-agencies-we-fund
  
  (personally, I would prefer my taxes didn’t support any cultural entertainment… I am a philistine)
  
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  May 19, 2023 11:00am
  - rockape
    
    We don’t get much chance to participate in any of these things down here in a Wakefield.
    
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    May 19, 2023 11:47am
    - cmm
      
      Don’t worry, the luvvies in Wellington will enjoy the subsidised opera on your behalf.
      
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      May 19, 2023 12:23pm
      - riffer
        
        And this is the thing. We all can’t have the same interests. But who am I to say that something I am not interested in should not receive government funding?
        
        What’s the difference between the luvvies in Welly and the Kapa Haka lovers in Auckland? It’s all culture to the respective audiences. Despite the fact that they both bore the absolute shit out of me.
        
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        May 19, 2023 2:39pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        When you have homeless people everywhere and people not receiving proper treatment in hospitals etc etc, subsidised frivilous personal interests can get stuffed.
        
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        May 19, 2023 7:00pm
      - cmm
        
        riffer: You are right.
        There is no difference between subsidising opera and subsidising kapa haka, morris dancing, porno or any other of society’s many interests.
        
        None of them should be subsidised.
        
        Councils should stick to the boring stuff: roads, pipes in the ground and a few parks. Maybe libraries.
        
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        May 20, 2023 9:08am
Surely Knott

20% “rebate” for $250k spending gaming companies. Will we see more ads becoming games? If a customer of an ad agency wants a game built to explain Covid or something. Will they split the 20% rebate with the agency.
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May 19, 2023 9:55am
- riffer
  
  You may do. But I imagine it will have rules somewhat similar to the RDTI, in that a company working as a subcontractor to the person who owns the IP on the R&D cannot claim the incentive.
  
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  May 19, 2023 2:40pm
BananaLlama

Day 2 of violent PoS running loose after breeching his protection order.
I am going to be 5k poorer today after paying a retainer and will have to listen to leftoids gripe about the “rich” paying their “fair share”.
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May 19, 2023 10:27am
- I remember when
  
  Listened to someone on TV, last night, say how the ‘poor’ were paying all of the tax.
  
  We just don’t get enough of this sort of excellent, in depth, information on TV now.
  
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  May 19, 2023 10:39am
  - alloytoo
    
    Especially since Parkers faux outrage report proved the opposite.
    
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    May 19, 2023 12:12pm
I remember when

“Absolute fiasco’: Auckland rail passengers outraged after waiting hours due to power outage on lines: NZ Herald.
A power failure on Auckland’s rail network has caused trains to come to a standstill.

Practice for when everyone uses rail as their main method of travel and electricity is totally renewable.
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May 19, 2023 10:34am
- riffer
  
  Diddums. Most days there is a crash on the road in Welly and traffic is delayed for ages.
  
  Shit happens. It’s not indicative of the sky falling on our heads.
  
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  May 19, 2023 2:41pm
I remember when

Fears East Coast mental health services will be swamped by cyclone stress: RNZ.
Advocates warn mental health services will not be able to cope with the rising tide of post-cyclone trauma surfacing in Hawke’s Bay and Tairawhiti.
Te Whatu Ora told RNZ the number of people seeking mental health support through their GP has jumped 30% in Hawke’s Bay alone since Cyclone Gabrielle.
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May 19, 2023 10:47am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Never mind..
  
  They can have a relaxing vape at one of our 29 stores
  
  https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/news/health-worker-stunned-at-proliferation-of-vape-stores-in-gisborne
  
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  May 19, 2023 11:03am
Maggie Pie

Interesting question….

Will we see ADIDAS go down the same hole as Bud Lite?

https://twitter.com/UltraDane/status/1659279996534534144
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May 19, 2023 10:50am
- Ghost
  
  Just another craze that New Zealand started https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7YiFQFk6fc
  
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  May 19, 2023 11:02am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Ya’ gotta give it to her…..that girls certainly got balls!! 😀
    
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    May 19, 2023 11:18am
NZer In Exile

Senator Ted Cruz on the astonishing and disgusting level of corruption from senior leftists in the US swamp.

Verdict with Senator Ted Cruz:
Bombshell Durham Report Vindicates Trump!
https://omny.fm/shows/verdict-with-ted-cruz-1/podcast-5-17-23
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May 19, 2023 10:51am
- Che Guava
  
  It was a complete set of lies for purely political motivations, obvious to anyone who understands how power is cynically wielded, but it doesn’t matter: it served its purpose, and now we are just expected to pretend that it never happened. Like Covid.
  
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  May 19, 2023 2:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

This is yesterday. I was sure I posted, but yesterday was a busy day with medical stuff.
The County Clerk who was responsible for closing the Horsham Downs Hall has a suggested letter to Stop Co-Governance. More and more people who control these halls are getting the idea they can’t halt it because of their own Political reasons. Isn’t that right Mr Gavin Ion?

The books. Quarter of a million printed in 10 weeks. This movement is making good ground.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/mr-ion-has-gone-to-ground/

This is the 18th of May version that I forgot.
Today’s post to follow.
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May 19, 2023 11:12am
Ghost

National need to learn to shut their mouth and work out what to say rather than the current method of opening their trap then having to clarify the next day. This is what should have been said yesterday

Asked about National’s position, Luxon said the party didn’t support the policy being universal – meaning it applies to everyone.

“I don’t think it makes a lot of sense that someone like me gets the benefit of that,” he said.

However, he said he did see the need for helping those who “most desperately need it”.

“I think targeting it to people with community services cards, for example, targeting to people with super gold cards would actually be the way in which we would go about doing that.”

For people who are “doing it really tough” or “low-income folk and elderly folk”, Luxon said there is a “really good case for actually giving targeted support and certainly making free prescriptions available for them.”

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May 19, 2023 11:15am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
Friday 19th May.
This also has the three videos from yesterday.

Then we have more videos:
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/lets-focus-on-getting-the-videos-out/
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May 19, 2023 11:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  NZ needs to get away from the rogue version of the Treaty written out by James Freeman. Forrest and Fisheries are not mentioned in the original Treaty.
  Video two. Go into 11 minutes..
  33 minutes there is Marama Davidson “She has no idea what she is talking about”
  
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  May 19, 2023 11:55am
  - kowtow
    
    No , it needs to be returned to its previous legal status .
    
    A simple nullity.
    
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    May 19, 2023 12:09pm
    - riffer
      
      Yeah good luck with that one. Let’s not have a civil war.
      
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      May 19, 2023 2:42pm
      - kowtow
        
        Happening already .
        
        Just slow burning , smouldering .
        
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        May 19, 2023 3:12pm
      - Mike
        
        Lots of people would love a civil war. ‘Loyalists’ in Northern Ireland, Hindi nationalists in India, Lost Causers in the southern US, etc.
        
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        May 19, 2023 5:02pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Who would start that riffer – and who would stand up?
        The comfy people or the people who rule you? I mean that in a good way.
        
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        May 19, 2023 6:01pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Littlewood wrote a translation to English from the original Maori Treaty. Cant return to a legal status better than that.
      
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      May 20, 2023 9:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The $55M Public Interest Journalism Fund.
    40 minutes in there is Te Tiriti Framework for the News Media.
    The Media in NZ has been paid to lie to Kiwis!
    
    Julian Batchelor is genuine and committed.
    
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    May 19, 2023 12:10pm
Maggie Pie

And I’ll tell you someone else who has gone very quiet lately….

Louise Hutchinson. PR lady for the Mongrel Mob.
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May 19, 2023 11:41am
- mandk
  
  Jacinda Ardern made it unnecessary to run PR for the gangs when she decided to cuddle up to HB Mongrel Mob Life President, Harry Tam.
  
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  May 19, 2023 11:52am
  - riffer
    
    Not the first PM to cuddle up with the MM. Ol’ Piggy set the precedent.
    
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    May 19, 2023 2:43pm
    - Mike
      
      Not quite. National party (blue) sympathy is with Black Power. Labour (red) stands with the Mongrel Mob.
      
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      May 19, 2023 4:58pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        ACT & Killer Bees?
        
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        May 19, 2023 9:22pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That went a long way for the people of NZ – right?
      
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      May 19, 2023 6:03pm
All_on_Red

“THOSE ANCIENT SUVs STRIKE AGAIN: Scientists discover past climate change to blame for Antarctica’s giant underwater landslides.”
“Writing in Nature Communications, the scientists say these weak layers—made up of historic biological material—made the area susceptible to failure in the face of earthquakes and other seismic activity. They also highlight that the layers formed at a time when temperatures in Antarctica were up to 3°C warmer than they are today, when sea levels were higher and ice sheets much smaller than at present.”

“I pity the inhabitants of that earlier time frame, who didn’t have the option of stopping climate change by raising taxes.”
https://instapundit.com/

3degrees C warmer and sea levels higher!
Thats inconvenient
Say, you don’t think that the gradual warming we are seeing is just natural variation as we warm from the little ice age.
Here’s a nice short Docu on Ice Core evidence in Greenland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmmmgiPha_Y
Check out the Orwellian context warning from the UN on there- wow
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May 19, 2023 12:57pm
Swifty

Can’t you just smell the deceit and insincerity when unionists and other assorted lefties label any trimming to Council or government spending, however tiny, as ‘austerity’ – slavishly following the UK Labour Party’s use of the word.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/300881148/up-to-160-jobs-to-go-at-auckland-city-council–union-estimates-lower

When I first heard it a few years ago, in the UK context, my mind was drawn to the Depression, bread lines and soup kitchens etc, but no, it was just UK Labour attempting to mislead the British public about some purse tightening by the Conservatives.

And now we have NZ unionists using the word in the context of the Auckland Council tightening its belt in response to massive revenue drops and much higher interests rate costs etc (and after 12 years of spendthrift mayors Brown and Goff).

Yep, the left just lie, lie, lie.
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May 19, 2023 1:19pm
- Swifty
  
  *revenue drops
  
  [Mod – fixed for you]
  
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  May 19, 2023 2:33pm
- riffer
  
  The left lie. The right lie. The centre lies.
  
  It’s a human thing. We all lie.
  
  Don’t try and make out it’s just one side.
  
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  May 19, 2023 2:44pm
  - Swifty
    
    Nope, sorry, it is mostly the left.
    
    The left need to lie, deceive, dissemble, exaggerate, tell half the story etc to sell their utopian visions – if they stuck to the facts and only the facts hardly anyone would vote for them and Labour know it.
    
    The right don’t have this great utopia to sell; it is not them that hold that society can be made perfect with the right mix of institutions, policies and government interventions – so their need to deceive is small by comparison, and it shows.
    
    Just look at this current Labour government; they lied going in, they’ve lied throughout and they’ll lie going out.
    
    They lied on Day 1, over the Speaker affair, everyone knows they did, and they’ve kept at it ever since.
    
    They’ve just made promise after promise after promise after promise – and not one of which has come to pass.
    
    Thinking about it, I don’t think there is another organisation in New Zealand that routinely lies as much as the New Zealand Labour Party.
    
    It’s in their DNA.
    
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    May 19, 2023 3:08pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    The left live generally in a fantasy world. That’s why most people grow out of such adolescent thinking (eventually). In growing up reality punches them in the face. It hurts. They wake up.
    
    Those that push these childish fantasy-world aspirations have to cover up their poor reasoning with a web of lies.
    
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    May 19, 2023 5:46pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Stop lying.
    
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    May 20, 2023 10:00am
- mogg
  
  Not just austerity look at the way KJK was accused of TRANSPHOBIA, HATE SPEECH, WORDS ARE VIOLENCE. Then there is BLM, defund the police, RACISM, SLAVERY REPARATIONS, WHITE SUPREMACY, WHITE PRIVILEGE, BIGOTRY, FAR RIGHT, VICTIMHOOD, CLIMATE CHANGE, JUST STOP OIL, TRANS RIGHTS,
  These are just a few of the meaningless slogans that are in constant use by Left Wing Crazies, who want somewhere to hang their hat because it puts meaning into their otherwise miserable lives.
  
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  May 19, 2023 3:11pm
  - Swifty
    
    Indeed!
    
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    May 19, 2023 3:29pm
Maggie Pie

Kaianga Ora – ‘Neighbors From Hell’ 🙁

Check this content out from ‘Horrid’ journalist Chris Mariner….

https://nzherald.co.nz/author/chris-marriner/

“Is it them again Yogi?”

“It’s always them BooBoo”
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May 19, 2023 1:24pm
- DimChappie
  
  Charming neighbours. Police called out every three weeks for five years and KO does nothing. And they are raising kids in that environment.
  A question for property folks: how much less is the lady’s house worth because of the feral KO neighbours?
  
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  May 19, 2023 4:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Remember that Billy T fulla?

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=1594474044193708
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May 19, 2023 1:35pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  You realise fakebook supports far left causes (including pumping elections with cash for lefty parties) and censors whistleblowers and conservatives? You know it sells user private info to advertisers and god knows who or what else, or to what ends? You know FB owns whatsapp (not private), instagram (not private) and FB messenger (also not private)?
  
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  May 19, 2023 5:52pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    What the hell are you on about? It is a Facebook link from a post on my Facebook feed.
    Humour of Billie T James.
    I don’t give a fuck who the Facebook hierarchy supports. I do not send any money to them, I just use it to talk with friends the World over. If Facebook sells my info and I get contacted by someone I don’t know, I just block them, it is that simple.
    
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    May 20, 2023 10:09am
Surely Knott

Haven’t completed your census yet?

Maybe Pop on down to Waipairera Trust and get $100 and some kai and other giveaways for doing it. Wish I hadn’t done it on time.

“Our Wai-Hub is open today whānau!
📌10:00am – 3:00pm
📌6-8 Pioneer Street, Henderson.
Come check in with our kaimahi who are all looking extra special in pink today as we celebrate #PinkShirtDay.
$100 vouchers for completing your census, kai and giveaways for our whānau coming through ”

https://www.facebook.com/waiwhanau/
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May 19, 2023 2:00pm
- Yabster
  
  the census is a joke – any stats now are complete bullshit.
  
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  May 19, 2023 2:31pm
  - Kumbukani Obi
    
    This may be the last census run in New Zealand.
    
    Funny thing – Australia, the UK, and the USA have each conducted censuses in the last three years. All with response rates above 95 percent. 99 percent in the case of the USA.
    
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    May 19, 2023 2:37pm
- Kumbukani Obi
  
  They would be better off having a line of police turn up handing out $2,000 fines for not completing the census.
  
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  May 19, 2023 2:36pm
  - kowtow
    
    yer but the various trusts , and lefty regime budgets would address that by paying the fines for them.
    
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    May 19, 2023 3:08pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Do you think anybody is checking to make sure they haven’t already filled out the census before handing over the hundy?
  
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  May 19, 2023 7:09pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Proof that the running of the Census is a joke.
  I remember a time where you could be prosecuted for not complying.
  
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  May 20, 2023 10:11am
miltonF

Labour voters:

“I’m so glad to see the budget is supporting local chemists over big greedy corporates like Chemist Warehouse by removing the $5 prescription fee”

Wow. There’s around a dozen comments like this on the recent stuff article. Too bad comments are closed so I can’t correct their illogic.

For starters, how can they call this company greedy when it is charging LESS than their local chemists? Secondly, the Chemist Warehouse will also benefit from this. They previously covered this $5 cost themselves. Now they won’t have to. In other words, an extra $5 profit for Chemist Warehouse per prescription. There’s literally no advantage to local chemists with this new policy. None.

How are labour voters so thick and tribalistic? They literally imagine positive outcomes where there are none. To them, everything is “my team vs your team” and “my team” are the good guys. So much so, that they don’t even bother evaluating policy. They just make up fantasies of why labour policy is good and other party’s policies are evil. Literally fantasy.
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May 19, 2023 2:04pm
- Kumbukani Obi
  
  Yes exactly. I think Chemist Warehouse is great. For example it has slashed the prices paid for contact lens solution.
  
  I don’t use them for my prescriptions. I use the pharmacy attached to my medical practice. Because I have a complex medicines regime and they give me excellent service.
  
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  May 19, 2023 2:34pm
  - rockape
    
    It’s funny how the free market beats government every time.
    
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    May 19, 2023 2:49pm
Ghost

U.S. officials are planning for the growing possibility that the Russia-Ukraine war will turn into a frozen conflict that lasts many years — perhaps decades — and joins the ranks of similar lengthy face-offs in the Korean peninsula, South Asia and beyond.

The options discussed within the Biden administration for a long-term “freeze” include where to set potential lines that Ukraine and Russia would agree not to cross, but which would not have to be official borders. The discussions — while provisional — have taken place across various U.S. agencies and in the White House.

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May 19, 2023 2:59pm
Swifty

Gee, if the Loafers Lodge fire was deliberately lit and the arsonist is identified and found guilty, I guess they’ll be the second most reviled person in the country.

I wonder what sort of stretch they’ll get?

15 years non-parole? 20? I guess levels of premeditation, planning, intent, offender background etc etc will all be factors.
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May 19, 2023 3:13pm
- Ghost
  
  The accused just fired his lawyer.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/loafers-lodge-fire-alleged-arsonist-appears-in-court/G3QRHS3PVJBTDLPJPW72INDYJA/
  
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  May 19, 2023 3:24pm
- peterwn
  
  Assuming he is deemed sane and fit to plead, he could be looking at Life Without Parole since he could be facing 20 or so murder charges.
  However he will most probably be found unfit to plead and confined to a mental institution.
  
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  May 19, 2023 4:17pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    How do dangerous people get to appear in court here wearing black hoodies….and be allowed wander round the place calling out shit to the judge 🙁
    
    Do we not have orange jump suits and belly-chains like they do in Chicago PD?
    
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    May 19, 2023 5:05pm
    - Keith White
      
      He’s probably a member of one or more PVCs (Protected Victim Class).
      
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      May 19, 2023 5:08pm
    - Inandout
      
      Maggie, probably not Chicago nowadays as they welcome crime. Now Miami may be a different story.
      
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      May 19, 2023 5:42pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Psychology report,
  Not fit to plead”, remanded to a secure unit.
  
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  May 19, 2023 5:18pm
mogg

A good way to measure the success of this budget.
There has been a jump in the value of KFC shares today. AKA RBD.
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May 19, 2023 3:31pm
Ghost

Breaking News

Tsunami threat being assessed after magnitude 7.7 quake hits north of New Zealand

Officials are assessing the risk of a tsunami hitting New Zealand in the coming hour after a massive magnitude 7.7 quake north of New Zealand this afternoon.

The quake struck southeast of the Loyalty Islands just before 3pm.

The Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre warned waves reaching 30cm to 1 metre above the tide level are possible for some coasts of New Zealand.

For Vanuatu, locals are being warned that waves of 1 to 3 metres above the tide level are possible for some coasts.

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May 19, 2023 3:49pm
- Ghost
  
  The Pacific Tsunami Warning Centre warned waves reaching 30cm to 1 metre above the tide level are possible for some coasts of New Zealand.
  
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  May 19, 2023 3:58pm
- Ghost
  
  This map shows affected areas. Strong currents and surges can injure and drown people. People in or near the sea in these areas should move out of the water, off beaches and shore areas and away from harbours, marinas, rivers and estuaries. More info at http://civildefence.govt.nz
  
  https://twitter.com/NZcivildefence/status/1659414662390136832?cxt=HHwWgIC27f21tocuAAAA
  
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  May 19, 2023 4:31pm
Jack5

The UK has its own student-visa rort. Criticising what she sees as UK universities focusing on foreign studengts rather than British education, Allison Pearson writes in the “Telegraph”:

“Universities are the new opium addicts, high on Chinese money and discriminating against our own bright young people to feed their insatiable habit.”

Pearsons alleges, for example, that the 15,000 students from China at University College “are snaffling up the STEM places that should, by rights, belong to gifted British kids”.

(STEM stands for science, technology, engineering, and mathematics.)
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May 19, 2023 4:10pm
- Jack5
  
  Should have added that elsewhere the Telegraph reports Britain’s Department for Education is pushing for at least 600,000 foreign students to come to the UK every year.
  
  Foreign student numbers are part of the debate about Britain’s immigration figures: 2022 net migration is expected to be almost 700,000, nearly three times the level before Brexit.
  
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  May 19, 2023 4:27pm
- Mike
  
  Did the Torygraph explain that taxpayers would need to fund the universities to take those hypothetical UK students?
  
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  May 19, 2023 4:35pm
Surely Knott

Looking for 2 to fill this Job: principal engagement advisor – climate change for Wellington city council. Salary $110k – $130k

These roles are responsible for designing and delivering engagement programmes on the impact of climate change on the city and how communities can lead the city’s transition to a more sustainable future.

$130k! Sweeeeeeeet

https://www.seek.co.nz/job/67562582?cid=SKL-CareerGuide
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May 19, 2023 4:30pm
- mandk
  
  ‘Principal engagement advisor’ is Newspeak for Propagandist.
  
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  May 19, 2023 5:32pm
- Inthe09
  
  I was going to say only in the public sector – but alas even at the corporate I work for they have gone full woke with this sort of thing. The CEO even does a weekly video blog which is more political than company orientated.
  
  (Sorry pressed report in error). [Mod – don’t worry about it]
  
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  May 19, 2023 5:40pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  $130k is the going rate for integrity?
  
  Not for me.
  
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  May 19, 2023 9:31pm
Maggie Pie

Imagine being a front-line Cop today and hearing Labor have just cut the Police budget by $164 million?

The only solace would be, knowing that Te Martini, the kapa-haka competition, has received an additional funding boost of $34 million.
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May 19, 2023 4:56pm
- Ghost
  
  Imagine being the Australian police recruiters today and hearing that
  
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  May 19, 2023 5:02pm
  - MCōs
    
    Get them on the phone
    
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    May 19, 2023 5:31pm
- Keith White
  
  MP: I’m going out on a limb and saying that if the Police budget allocation was performance-based, it should have been cut by double that.
  
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  May 19, 2023 5:10pm
- Mike
  
  Google reports this as a funding increase of $164 million.
  
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  May 19, 2023 5:12pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    But the thing with idiot lefty parties is that funding increases don’t necessarily mean anything good!
    
    All that hard earned tax money can and does get pissed up against the wall in stupid and wasteful initiatives.
    
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    May 19, 2023 5:56pm
- kowtow
  
  Corrections , if you can call them that have had a boost in funding.
  But with 30 % fewer inmates .
  wtf.
  
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  May 19, 2023 5:46pm
Keith White

“Messenger RNA (mRNA) shots for Covid had absolutely no impact on reducing the overall mortality rate related to the virus, a new study has confirmed.

The study, published in the renowned Cell journal, was led by Professor Christine Stabell Benn at the University of Southern Denmark.

Professor Benn and a team of health researchers found that the mRNA vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna may have saved a very small number of lives in cases where the patients were extremely vulnerable.

However, any lives saved were offset by the number of vaccinated trial participants who died from cardiovascular problems as a result of the jab.”

– https://archive.is/Jj0Hc

(Mod: link is to a saved copy of the study)
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May 19, 2023 5:21pm
mandk

Not safe and not effective.
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May 19, 2023 5:29pm
Maggie Pie

JUST IN….

Plus-size model claims it’s discrimination that aircraft aisles aren’t built wider to better accommodate larger passengers.

https://twitter.com/DailyLoud/status/1659377886573338625

“You’re gonna’ need a bigger plane”
LOL!!
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May 19, 2023 6:55pm
- Ghost
  
  Help is on the way
  
  https://www.travelworld.it/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Boeing-747-7.jpg
  
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  May 19, 2023 7:06pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    😀 😀 😀
    
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    May 19, 2023 7:15pm
Ghost

National mp’s need to learn to shut up if they don’t want to throw this election

Former National leader Judith Collins has taken a dig at Labour’s Arena Williams, telling her to “be a good daughter” after the rival MP said removing prescription charges would make her father $50 better off a month.

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May 19, 2023 7:26pm
Maggie Pie

Just a quik reminder if you’re heading out somewhere over the weekend…..

‘Beware of, and avoid. any person with a neck tattoo’.
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May 19, 2023 7:51pm
- Ghost
  
  What about a face tattoo?
  
  https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9ZAr3zwTIh8/hq720.jpg
  
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  May 19, 2023 7:57pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Do you think Viagra would give him a stiff neck?
    
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    May 19, 2023 8:46pm
    - Ghost
      
      Not sure he’d be smart enough to know where to put the pill
      
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