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krazykiwi

Elon Musk, the self-described “a free speech absolutionist” who blocks embedded tweets in Substack, has just appointed the executive chair of the World Economic Forum as Twitter’s new CEO. Perhaps Musk is a globalist stalking horse after all?
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May 13, 2023 8:06am
- Mike
  
  What does an ‘absolutionist’ stand for in regard to free speech? Does Musk seek some form of spiritual forgiveness for his spoken transgressions?
  
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  May 13, 2023 8:16am
- Blackbob
  
  Substack is trying to create itself as a competitor to Twitter so it’s no surprise they won’t help with that….
  
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  May 13, 2023 8:17am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    He should buy substack and rumble.
    
    Complete free speech platforms.
    
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    May 13, 2023 11:11am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Oh is that where all the woke lefties stormed off to after Musk booted the Censorship Complex out of Twitter? Isn’t Substack the home of the right and anti-woke contrarians?
    
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    May 13, 2023 5:34pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      It’s the only platform currently with genuine free speech.
      
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      May 14, 2023 1:42am
- Philview
  
  More likely he is by nature a businessman who acts in his own self interest. However he was quick to back the international scientists in their war of words with New Zealand.
  
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  May 13, 2023 8:30am
- Scott
  
  I would wait and see what happens with Twitter before casting judgement. Elon certainly has been a new broom through the social media platform.
  
  Maybe the new CEO will work out fine? Maybe they will allow freedom of speech and even conservatives and even Christians will be able to have their say.
  
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  May 13, 2023 9:24am
  - Clownworld
    
    Musk cannot serve two masters, WEF (dresses up in a satanic outfit) or freedom?
    
    He has done a few symbolic good things but ultimately he is controlled too.
    
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    May 13, 2023 9:49am
    - Nickc2
      
      but ultimately he is controlled too
      Evidence, please.
      
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      May 13, 2023 9:53am
      - Clownworld
        
        Look at what he does and what he says. Evidence is how he behaves. “You gotta serve somebody”
        
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        May 13, 2023 11:39am
- Che Guava
  
  Organisations like the ADL devise the censorship regimes of the social media platforms in their own interest, being self-appointed “experts on hate speech” and “trusted flaggers.” The advertisers are seemingly back on board Twitter, with Musk probably having reached some sort of compromise with ADL’s Jonathan Greenblatt as to what the latter considers “acceptable speech.”
  
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  May 13, 2023 12:36pm
DimChappie

Mum, dad I’m transgender: The Herald tells parents go with the flow and defends puberty blocking drugs:

“The child, distressed by signs of puberty, may want to go on puberty blockers. Don’t be afraid of that, parents say; it buys you time, slowing down the puberty progression while the child works through the transition.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/raising-transgender-children-in-nz-parents-share-how-they-coped-with-the-transition/OUMA5HTORJASHJDMKG77ILNUHU/
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May 13, 2023 8:09am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “…it buys you time, slowing down the puberty progression…”
  
  That’s good to know.
  So, there are no downsides?
  
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  May 13, 2023 9:25am
  - sirknz
    
    So there are no downsides
    
    The kid is more likely to vote Labour/Green if/when they are older…
    
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    May 13, 2023 10:01am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Or more likely to pick up an AR15 and go shopping….
      
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      May 14, 2023 1:45am
- Anan Carpentie
  
  We will look back on this the same way we regard mass lobotomies in the 1950s.
  
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  May 13, 2023 9:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Paywalled.
  Sad that kids can’t grow up normally. The transgender thing came from somewhere. Parents, Teachers, fucking drag queens, all pushing the trans wheelbarrow.
  Poor kids having their minds messed with.
  
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  May 13, 2023 9:41am
  - Ruahine
    
    Steve.
    
    You missed out the State Funded Media.
    TV and Print.
    
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    May 13, 2023 9:47am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yep, the mentally ill are everywhere.
      
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      May 13, 2023 11:38am
      - blue collar
        
        Too bloody right steveo !
        Pricks are scaring the bejesus out of em at school with the climate alarm circus n marches ….. gender ….. the poor bastards don’t know if they’re having a shit or a haircut
        Leave the kids alone …. Let ‘em be kids
        
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        May 13, 2023 2:37pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Frightened (young) people are easily manipulated.
        
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        May 13, 2023 5:43pm
  - Taieri
    
    Poor kids having their minds messed with
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    And being castrated. With the full approval and encouragement from the people who should know better.
    
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    May 13, 2023 9:47am
    - Scott
      
      It’s amazing how we think this is normal? Mutilating children has become normal?
      I have said it before and I will say it again. People think that they get rid of Christianity and they get rid of religion and reason will take its place. We will be guided by reason! That’s what they say.
      
      Well this is not reasonable. This is the opposite of reasonable. It’s actually a transgender cult. We have been captured by a transgender cult.
      
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      May 13, 2023 10:16am
      - Che Guava
        
        I’ve made this point previously, but when your starting point is liberal and/or libertarian premises, it is perfectly reasonable to end up at transgenderism. Any objection must necessarily come from an illiberal starting point, because there is no liberal objection to it and other manifestations of liberalism.
        
        What is “reasoning”? It is a process of inference, from starting-point premises to logically related conclusions. If you start from a dubious premise like “people are free to do what they want, as long as they aren’t forcing anyone else” you’ll end up at a conclusion that involves cutting off penises and a lifetime of hormone therapy. You can validly derive logical conclusions even from faulty starting-points.
        
        So what is the problem here? The problem is liberal and libertarian dogma – thinking that “freedom” means doing whatever you like, rather being about acting in accordance with the organising principles and laws of the universe, and restricting one’s behaviour accordingly, having deduced these using one’s faculties of observation and understanding.
        
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        May 13, 2023 11:32am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      What worries me is who are the surgeons that do this?
      It is not normal.
      
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      May 13, 2023 11:40am
      - Taieri
        
        What worries me is who are the surgeons that do this?
        It is not normal
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        “Money makes the world go around, the world go around…”
        
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        May 13, 2023 12:52pm
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Steve.
    
    The Tavistock Clinic (Which I understand is now closed down) was the primary clinic for Gender Reassignment in the UK.
    
    in 2009-2010, it received a total of 77 referalls.
    
    In 2019-2020, it received 2728.
    
    the increase over a 10 year period was over 3000%
    
    Something is happening at a social level that wasn’t there before, and for some reason we are not allowed to question this.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHS_Gender_Identity_Development_Service
    
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    May 13, 2023 12:45pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Ghez, Tavistock is a top throughbreed stallion in NZ by god they really are mixed up
      
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      May 13, 2023 1:16pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      “Something is happening at a social level that wasn’t there before”
      
      Social Media. The full infiltration of the marxist left into all institutions.
      
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      May 13, 2023 5:45pm
- Surely Knott
  
  OIA shows, Cabinet ignored the science advice to Cabinet that kids should have 1 jab and no mandates because of higher risk of myocarditis. They went against the science advice and mandated 2 jabs. Who knew about the advice? Did opposition and media know that it would harm kids? The advice that it caused harm to kids was not made public.
  
  They lied to us. So how can we trust them on puberty blockers. Or any of the other medical health advice they are dispensing.
  
  Why such different information if the science is settled. Why are we experimenting on our kids.
  
  NHS has abandoned gender affirming care for minors. One interesting point is they note the huge change in the number and type of kids transitioning. NZ is having a shortage of oestrogen due to the sharp rise in prescriptions.
  
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  “The NHS states that puberty blockers can only be administered in formal research settings, due to the unknown effects of these interventions and the potential for harm. ”
  
  “The reasons for the restructuring of gender services for minors in England are 4-fold. They include (1) a significant and sharp rise in referrals; (2) poorly-understood marked changes in the types of patients referred; (3) scarce and inconclusive evidence to support clinical decision-making, and (4) operational failures of the single gender clinic model, as evidenced by long wait times for initial assessment, and overall concern with the clinical approach.
  
  The new NHS guidance recognizes social transition as a form of psychosocial intervention and not a neutral act, as it may have significant effects on psychological functioning. The NHS strongly discourages social transition in children, and clarifies that social transition in adolescents should only be pursued in order to alleviate or prevent clinically-significant distress or significant impairment in social functioning, and following an explicit informed consent process. The NHS states that puberty blockers can only be administered in formal research settings, due to the unknown effects of these interventions and the potential for harm. ”
  
  https://segm.org/England-ends-gender-affirming-care
  
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  May 13, 2023 2:07pm
- Scooter
  
  Best use of the paywall.
  
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  May 13, 2023 4:51pm
Grunter

Article that articulates the demise of the German economy – all due to the nutty climate change policies. When will people learn that centrally planned socialism never works. It just destroys lives and livelihoods

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/a-vast-foreign-funded-climate-cabal?publication_id=268621&post_id=120973479&isFreemail=false
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May 13, 2023 8:13am
Maggy Wassilieff

The Gisborne Forestry Slash report is here:

https://environment.govt.nz/assets/Outrage-to-optimism.pdf

My first impressions of it are very favourable… It provides a very condensed summary of the main issues and suggests possible solutions.

However, what I find particularly annoying is that the Appendices (5 of them) are not with the report and will not be available until May 19th.

(That’s the trouble with Geeks like me…. we like to see the back-story data)
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May 13, 2023 8:21am
- rouppe
  
  Stumbled into this Fire Safety report (pdf) recently. Talking about spontaneous combustion of slash piles and mitigation thereof.
  
  In the summary:
  Management of the pile after harvesting:
  * Deconstruct the pile at the end of processing and spread slash over the area.
  
  Which of course maximises it’s potential to be swept up in high rainfall
  
  [Mod – link fixed ]
  
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  December 13, 2022 10:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    403 Forbidden
    
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    May 13, 2023 11:45am
    - rouppe
      
      Odd… It was just the result of a Google hit…
      
      Try a search term of: Factors contributing to spontaneous combustion forestry slash and it should appear at or near the top
      
      [Mod – you were just missing the ‘f’ off the end of the link, fixed now]
      
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      May 13, 2023 4:05pm
- CJames
  
  There is always potential trouble when things like this happen. The suspicion is there that they haven’t finished compiling the Appendicies and the evidence or information in them won’t match what is in the body of the report.
  A similar thing happened in the IPCC reports where the SPMs contradicted the body of the reports. The wording changes through the stages went from no evidence to firm evidence.
  read://https_rogerpielkejr.substack.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Frogerpielkejr.substack.com%2Fp%2Fa-tip-from-an-ipcc-insider%3Futm_source%3Dsubstack%26utm_medium%3Demail
  
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  May 13, 2023 8:29am
- Anan Carpentie
  
  My immediate thought was ‘how did this ever happen?’. Dairy farmers are regulated. They can’t just dump cow shit in rivers. Surely the relevant regional councils could have used their considerable powers under the RMA to mitigate these harms?
  
  (I have not read the report. I will do so over the weekend. Maybe my question is covered.)
  
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  May 13, 2023 8:30am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    My immediate thought was ‘how did this ever happen?’.
    
    That is a vey natural thought.
    
    When I arrived in Gisborne in 2014 and went driving out on the roads behind Tokomaru and Tolaga Bays, I couldn’t believe that such lousy pine forest harvesting and environmental destruction would ever have been countenanced.
    
    I’d never seen anything like it elsewhere in NZ.
    
    Gisborne District Council is not happy with the report…..but the planting, road constructions and harvesting happened under their watch.
    
    (In its defence, the GDC had at one time tried to argue that the East Coast needed stricter forestry harvesting rules than other places in NZ).
    
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    May 13, 2023 8:42am
    - Philview
      
      When the media are treading carefully it usually means the reputation of the owners of some of the forests are to be protected for reasons we know well.
      
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      May 13, 2023 8:58am
    - Matt Long
      
      Is the district council a unitary authority Maggy? Otherwise regulations are on the regional council.
      But roading is a district issue, as well as a government issue, for example what rates are the companies paying and what percentage of log truck road user charges are finding their way back to damaged roads.
      
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      May 13, 2023 9:02am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The GDC is a Unitary authority.
        
        The report also covers the Wairoa District.
        
        Wairoa District Council is under the realm of Hawke’s Bay Regional Council.
        
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        May 13, 2023 9:16am
    - gravedodger
      
      Amen to that Maggy, much of the trouble was away from the Highway and the Council was able to carry on in hope what happened would not embarrass them perhaps?
      
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      May 13, 2023 10:54am
  - kowtow
    
    The short answer in the current simplistic , ecocultic ,far left ideological view of the world ;
    
    trees good,
    cows evil.
    
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    May 13, 2023 9:07am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Cows fart, trees don’t fart.
      
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      May 13, 2023 9:54am
    - Mike
      
      kowtow obviously hasn’t read the report.
      
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      May 13, 2023 11:36am
    - Jack5
      
      A quick read of the report and I found no mention of the vast volcanic eruption in Tonga being a possible cause of the Gisborne region’s floods.
      
      More importantly, in mentioning the 234,871 hectares of Maori-owned land that makes up about a fifth of the region, there is no practical, credible solution in the report to the problem of development capital, or at least no solution beyond hints (or hopes) of Government investment, perhaps through green bonds, and “establishment of a world-leading biodiversity credit scheme to incentivise permanent indigenous forests.”
      
      As with land held by indigenous people in several countries, the fact that Maori owned land cannot be sold rules it out as security for borrowing. No security no investment, except from the State, or perhaps guaranteed by the State.
      
      Australia is looking at federal biodiversity credit scheme which Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek has suggested would become a a “green Wall Street… where the world comes to invest in environmental protection and restoration”.
      
      However, reports the “Sydney Morning Herald,” the auditor-general of New South Wales has released a report criticising a similar scheme being implemented by that state. There are concerns about “the scheme’s integrity, transparency, and sustainability,” and there’s a “risk that biodiversity gains made through the scheme will not be sufficient to offset losses resulting from the impacts of development”.
      
      NZ joined countries offering green bonds late last year. The Treasury reported: “The bonds, which carry a coupon of 4.25%, were issued at a yield to maturity of 4.3550%.Total book size, at final price guidance, exceeded $NZ7.5 billion.”
      
      Those interested in NZ’s green bond borrowing and what it will be used for might find informative the “second party” report by Sustainalytics, part of the Chicago-based financial services firm, Morningstar.
      
      https://debtmanagement.treasury.govt.nz/sites/default/files/media/media_attachment/nz-sovereign-green-bond-framework-second-party-opinion.pdf
      
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      May 13, 2023 1:29pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  Hmmm….
  
  A couple of pages in and we get this statement:
  
  “Papatuanuku is battered and bleeding, Ranginui a fury, and Tane Mahuta bent and breaking.”
  
  We is the Islamic, Buddhist, Christian, Shinto, Daoist etc, etc statements re their religious/spiritual viewpoints? Where is the inclusion!!! Think of the damage to children raised in those traditions!!! (yes this paragraph is sarcastic – none of those views are required either in this type of report)
  
  What the hell has Maori spiritual mythology got to do with an investigation into forestry management practice, natural event resilience across infrastructure networks and floodwater management?
  
  The answer – if you are struggling to identify it – is absolutely nothing.
  
  Seriously!! Someone with Te Ao Maori world views explain to me what the hell the quoted sentence has got to do with anything whatsoever in relation to understanding the problem causes and potential options to mitigate future extreme weather impacts?
  
  From my perspective it is an indictment of our standing bureaucratic structure, the consulting industries that surround that structure and the political class that govern those bureaucratic structures: Too much focus on minority ‘feelz’ and not enough focus and rigour given to core professional responsibilities.
  
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  May 13, 2023 9:15am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
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    Maybe you need to recognise you live in a nation that has a strong bicultural aspect and a Treaty.
    This is how things are done today, and it won’t go back to the way it was pre 1990.
    Hekia Parata is a former National Party Minister, deeply steeped in her iwi. She is hardly a radical, but she certainly reflects a strong bicultural dimension.
    
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    May 13, 2023 9:47am
    - Taieri
      
      Maybe you need to recognise you live in a nation that has a strong bicultural aspect and a Treaty
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      Bicultural? In the country where over a quarter of the population was born overseas?
      
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      May 13, 2023 9:50am
      - Che Guava
        
        That’s even worse than simply being bi-cultural. When a quarter of the population are born overseas, the chances of having a unifying history, culture and lineage are practically nil. So ask yourself: what is a nation if it isn’t a unified history, culture and lineage? It is just some random people in the same place with abstract “citizenship,” and thus will never form and maintain a coherent society. It is doomed to fail.
        
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        May 13, 2023 11:23am
      - Ra Henare
        
        [Mod – debate what a person says, enough of these personal attacks]
        
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        May 13, 2023 8:39pm
    - Ruahine
      
      You do what you need to do to keep the income flowing.
      Hekia used to be known as Patricia.
      
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      May 13, 2023 9:50am
    - Swifty
      
      Wayne, do you think the quoted references to Maori gods are metaphorical or literal?
      
      Sometimes I can’t decide on the author’s intent.
      
      Where you or I think an author has strayed into a literal reference to Maori gods in a publicly-funded paper, do you think this is an appropriate thing for them to have done? Treaty of no Treaty? Bi-cultural dimension or not?
      
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      May 13, 2023 9:52am
      - Anan Carpentie
        
        That is the problem. They are presented as literal. There was some Maori authority last year who justified deforestation by Maori, saying that they “had permission” from the Goddess of Fire.
        
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        May 13, 2023 10:18am
      - Anan Carpentie
        
        France has many deficiencies. However a shining positive trait is “Laïcité”, the secularism which divides private life, where religion belongs, and the public sphere, in which each individual is a citizen who is equal to all other citizens. In the public shpere, there is no emphasis on any ethnic or religious characteristics or views.
        
        Needless to say, an official would never cite religious deities in a government report.
        
        You could introduce such secularism in New Zealand without violating the Treaty. IMO Wayne Mapp is quite wrong.
        
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        May 13, 2023 10:32am
    - Cassandra
      
      They are 17% Wayne and the Treaty has no provisions re co anything. There’s no place for spiritual values of any sort. Parata’s persanl views are irrelevant. Would you accept a Christian imposing her values? No, I thought not.
      
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      May 13, 2023 9:56am
    - Anan Carpentie
      
      That is utter crap. We are being asked to buy into the delusion of Maori spiritual beings in scientific reports. Those mythical beings do not exist. They are not real. I would be similarly irritated by Christian deities being inserted into this report.
      
      As soon as someone invokes deities, you can’t use logic in the discussion. If “Ranginui is in a fury” you can’t argue the contrary because to do so would be buying into the nonsense
      
      We live in a secular society. If Hekia Parata wants to buy into deities she can do it on her own time. Not while being paid to solve 21st century problems.
      
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      May 13, 2023 10:15am
    - Matt Long
      
      Wayne, always there to remind us that National is the short sighted deeply racist, divisive party that gave us co- governance and signed us up for the UNDRIP.
      
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      May 13, 2023 10:33am
      - ISeeRed
        
        Yes, he’s a regular reality check of the sad state of the National Party. Full of wet, weak, woke wusses.
        
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        May 13, 2023 2:32pm
    - Cara
      
      “…it won’t go back to the way things were pre 1990.” No, but it must go forward to a completely colour-blind NZ, where taxpayer funds are granted on the basis of need – or merit – as appropriate; and maintenance of group culture is a personal choice.
      
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      May 13, 2023 10:41am
      - Che Guava
        
        That’s where Wayne is wrong – things can “go back to the way things were pre 1990” – if there is a political will. In fact, things could go back to pre 1890 is we were really serious. We could roll a great deal of it back using the law-making process – that is the point of being in power.
        
        Wayne is such a fatalist, completely passive in the face of what he considers to be inevitable developments, that it’s very hard to see why he was even in politics. It’s like he was there to simply watch the leftist-progressive procession pass him by as he stood on a street corner waving a white flag (probably a rainbow flag if he was an MP nowadays).
        
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        May 13, 2023 11:42am
      - Kumbukani Obi
        
        There are some politicians who are in the business just because they like running things. Some are competent. Some are incompetent. However they lack any strategic intent to make New Zealand a better place.
        
        Peter Dunne is the best example. A basic level of competence, but with an ability to send everyone to sleep as soon as he speaks. I would add Hekia Parata and Nicki Kaye in this category. Both presided over the continued decline in the schooling system.
        
        Phil Twyford is another example of this type of politician, but he was incompetent. David Clark the same.
        
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        May 13, 2023 1:03pm
      - Swifty
        
        The difficulty I’ve got with Wayne’s statement is that if we applied his rationale in other areas we’d be in serious decline overnight.
        
        Too many ram-raids? It’s just the way things are!
        
        To many hungry kids in the country? It can’t be changed!
        
        Too much meth coming into the country? It’s the new normal.
        
        To many men murdering their wives? There’s no going back!
        
        If suddenly and somehow there was an outbreak of NZ civil servants ‘effing and blinding’ in their reports and papers:
        
        “Minister, I humbly report that the back ordering of fucking Chinese paper clips and Manila folders has not been performed as scheduled; some useless bastard didn’t do their bloody job, and as a result our frontline stocks are fucking low.”
        
        …would be stamped out by lunchtime. People would be aghast, staff would be told not to do it, warnings given then the sackings for misconduct would start should the practice continue.
        
        I really don’t see the difference.
        
        As Che Guava suggested, it’s just a question of will.
        
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        May 13, 2023 1:57pm
    - kowtow
      
      Treaty ?
      
      We also have a charter and letters patent .
      
      Why do the Elites only ever mention the treaty , and even then totally out of historical context and with a modern re imagining as a “partnership”.
      
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      May 13, 2023 10:42am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Wayne. No one outside the elite groups I mentioned above have chosen to take the path you so strongly push.
      
      We are not bicultural as you claim, we are not Maori and other.
      
      We are multi ethnic and multicutural at a personal level. And we are a country founded under the British crown on western values.
      
      Mumbo jumbo was no place in a serious report on a disaster.
      
      And frankly your dictatorial tone exemplifies your closeted, bureaucratic, elitist mindset.
      
      I need to accept nothing. And I retain until I die my individual right to call out bullshit… Especial elitist bullshit that you are pushing.
      
      This crap has real world consequences..
      
      Which we see in all manner of things from seriously degraded service delivery as delivery entities are. Distracted by this crap…. to low level crime drawing justification from youse stole our land activist interpretation of historical documents and events.
      
      I wont tell you what i think of you, other than to say wet, hand wringing, appeasement as personified by your statement doesnt work in Te Ao Maori… It just invites further liberty taking
      
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      May 13, 2023 10:44am
      - Anan Carpentie
        
        Comment of the year.
        
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        May 13, 2023 11:12am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        We are both bicultural and multicultural.
        I have raised the issue because there is no turning back the clock. The style of writing in the Report is the norm. A change of government will not change that.
        Sure, you can rail on about it, but it is the way things are now done.
        I know I will get the criticisms that I get. There seems to be a view here that somehow it can be reversed. In my view that simply won’t happen. Evident from the fact that Hekia and her late husband, Wira, are and were part of reinforcing the bicultural aspect of New Zealand.
        
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        May 13, 2023 12:07pm
      - leoj
        
        REALLY hope that those supporters of the Namby-Pamby party (formerly the National Party) read this response.
        
        National are a disgrace in starting this entire debacle.
        
        And they will do nothing to stop it.
        
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        May 13, 2023 12:09pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Or maybe I should just accept that Kiwiblog is a “safe space” for people to rail against it, in the same way that Kiwiblog has the same role for Covid antivaxxers and climate change denialists.
        
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        May 13, 2023 12:12pm
      - Anan Carpentie
        
        “There seems to be a view here that somehow it can be reversed. In my view that simply won’t happen.”
        
        Where does that view of the world lead us? A Government can introduce odious policy and deflect criticism by saying “It can’t be reversed”. This is a world view from self appointed elites.
        
        To repeat my view, it is madness that we tolerate Maori deities and gods being cited in official Government documents. That practice can, and will, be reversed.
        
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        May 13, 2023 12:27pm
      - lifesgood
        
        [Mod – debate what the person says, not the person] New Zealand is a modern society and tribal maori are dragging it back into the dark ages. There was nothing noble about the cannibals who killed and ate each other before white man arrived.
        
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        May 13, 2023 1:33pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        WM: “We are both bicultural and multicultural.”
        
        They are mutually exclusive.
        
        “Maori” (IE the @ 16% defined as such) are multicultural. Some are less “traditional” than others. Culture can be chosen. Culture can change over a lifetime.
        
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        May 13, 2023 5:54pm
    - I remember when
      
      “This is how things are done today, and we won’t go back to the way it was pre 1990.”
      
      No we won’t Wayne.
      However, it would be nice to think that moving forward meant more than appeasement.
      
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      May 13, 2023 12:06pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      “This is how things are done today, and it won’t go back to the way it was pre 1990.”
      
      Disclaimer: In Wayne’s “humble” opinion. 😃
      
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      May 13, 2023 5:42pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      NZ is not bicultural Wayne. You are either being deliberately disingenuous or you are not very smart. Either way, you are wrong.
      
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      May 14, 2023 1:55am
  - Matt Long
    
    As reported by RNZ a large part of the solution is to grant personhood to two rivers. How long before we have to give offerings to the river’s spirits before we take water or swim?
    
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    May 13, 2023 9:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Appendices will be written according to public reaction. Can’t get anything wrong then.
  
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  May 13, 2023 9:46am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Well done the Greens. First they caused leaky homes by having treated timber banned. Now they have caused the flooding problems with forestry slash by not allowing foresters to burn the slash.
  
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  May 13, 2023 9:47am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Why is this slash not chipped for fuel? If a B-Train can get in there, so can a high side B-Train.
    
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    May 13, 2023 11:44am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Economics..
      
      The eroding land is steep – very steep back country… Poorly served by roads and associated drainage/culverts.
      It is land that was formerly designated as being suitable for protection forestry only.
      
      It is too expensive to handle and process the pine slash or to harvest radiata pine forests in small coupes.
      
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      May 13, 2023 2:19pm
    - miltonF
      
      Here’s an out of the box idea.
      
      Mobile steam powered generators combined with mobile cryptocurrency rigs.
      
      Turn all that slash directly into electricity and then $$ right there on the spot. They can travel from forestry block to forestry block and avoid the fuel and carbon cost of transporting the slash. Would create a ton of new low paid labouring jobs. Probably wouldn’t be highly profitable but would deal to the slash problem, create jobs and pay for itself.
      
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      May 13, 2023 5:50pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I guess a lot of people don’t know what a B-Train is.
      If the roads can handle 10 ton of logs and 12 ton of truck and 2 trailers, then the road can handle a high sided truck and two trailers taking out the same weight.
      I know this shit, I have Class 5 liicence.
      
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      May 14, 2023 9:24am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Not to mention causing Pike River by insisting the mine be built upside down with inadequate ventilation.
    
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    May 13, 2023 11:59am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Not to mention the Green’s opposition to a second Mt Vic tunnel, to tunnelling Karo Drive etc, resulting in increased emissions from idling vehicle engines.
      
      Oh and opposing the Kermadec fish sanctuary.
      
      The Greens – just useless, since forever.
      
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      May 13, 2023 8:05pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Wait till they really get going on climate change….. You ain’t seen nothing yet.
    
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    May 14, 2023 1:56am
- blue collar
  
  Just burn the shit
  Straight after harvest for even distribution of nutrients over hillsides
  She”ll be black , but she”ll grow back .
  
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  May 13, 2023 2:50pm
  - sirknz
    
    But the CO2, think of the climate change induced by all the CO2!
    
    Won’t you think of the Greens and the transgender children?
    
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    May 13, 2023 3:35pm
hmmokrightitis

Random impertinent question:

When will someone start questioning the elevated and rising number of excess deaths in New Zealand?

Mr Seymour is in denial, so there goes that voice of reason. The ex DG of Health tells us hes “happy” with the numbers – and yet its rising and being matched by the likes of the UK, Canada, Australia.

And yet, crickets. Tumbleweed.

When? Who will be brave enough from those in power?
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May 13, 2023 8:22am
- 2ic
  
  Seymour has never been a voice of reason around the Covid response. He was in boots ‘n all with the vaccine mandates, so no surprise that he would turn a blind eye to the harms they’ve caused.
  
  It wasn’t long ago Seymour was leading the charge in ostracising the unvaccinated from society. Just see for yourself at the 5:00 mark:
  https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parliament-tv-on-demand/?itemId=220392
  
  “We are going to have to consider what sort of rights people have to stipulate vaccination – not that another person must be vaccinated unconditionally – but that they will only transact with a person if that person is vaccinated”
  
  I feel ashamed to have voted for him last election – such a disappointment!
  
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  May 13, 2023 2:13pm
  - blue collar
    
    Data
    Has it taken into account the boomers ?
    There will be a huge spike in death as the boomer population bubble dies .
    I’m sth of 50 but even we were cutting up asbestos dry in my youth .
    Diets , chemicals , no health n safety ….. totally agree the vaccines are dodgy as but there may be other factors unrecorded or unacknowledged and the timing coincidental
    
    Seymour for PM .
    
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    May 13, 2023 2:57pm
    - Kumbukani Obi
      
      That is all accounted for. The excess deaths are across age cohorts. I don’t buy into the ‘vaccines are killing them all’. Most deaths are likely from untreated disease during COVID. But I am guessing. The problem is that no western government that went down the COVID rabbit hole will even acknowledge that there is a serious problem which requires investigation. Indeed a UK Conservative MP has recently been expelled from the Party for continuing to raise the excess deaths problem.
      
      The fallout from this mess will be seen for years to come. It has put back the cause of childhood vaccinations for a long time. Parents were literally lied to “Get your children vaccinated to save Granny.” Now many of them have decided they are being lied to about all vaccines. I recall commenters here predicting this would happen. Two years ago.
      
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      May 13, 2023 4:47pm
    - 2ic
      
      Brits are dying in their tens of thousands – and we don’t really have any idea why
      https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/health/brits-dying-tens-thousands-dont-29955386
      
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      May 13, 2023 5:01pm
hullkiwi

As the virtue signalling of the list of signatories to the open letter rumbles on, a cursory look at the list and you see it is the usual load of Champagne socialists virtue signalling, and telling everyone, how vituous they are and we should all be the same..

In the list are 4 who stand out, two Labour cronies of old, and 2 businessmen whoother than being well off have not much to crow about…

First there is David Cunliffe, he who apologised for being himself….

Then there is Rob Campbell, unionist, labour affiliate and he who got rich working on public quango…

Then there are the businessmen…..
First Phillip Mills. He is a regular donor to the Labour Party each election. His father built the business and the fortune. Irrespective of that, each election he virtue signals and tells us how Liebore must build a socialist paradise in NZ!

Give me strength.

Then there is the owner of EcoStore, a hypocrite of the first order. His company uses a third party brand merchandising company (modern vernacular for a distribution company that supplies labour to shelf stacker supermarkets). The shelf stacker who put his “expensive” virtue signalling product on supermarket shelves are usually part time employees of the merchandising companies, and are paid minimum wage rates of pay. In fact, nearly all of these shelf stacker need multiple jobs just to earn sufficient income & rely Working For Families tax credit. So, maybe this hypocrite should look at how his company is making large profits for him while the third party employees of the companies employed by his company struggle to make ends meet. I know this because my wife worked for the merchandising company concerned.

It is easy to be a virtue signal champagne socialist on the backs’ of the efforts of others!

Other than Hosking’s and HDPA how much of the media has really examined how “independent” this group are from the Labour Party? Probably none. This group are reminiscent of the Citizens for Rowling mob in 1975, but are more toxic, in the way they are lobbying/encouraging the government to change the tax system based on pure ideology rather than for economic reasons.

As DPF and the TPU did on Thursday, let this group of “well off” citizens donate their fortunes to the Treasury.
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May 13, 2023 8:23am
- Taieri
  
  It would be interesting to know what proportion of each tax dollar goes to providing actual services as opposed to the administrative cost of providing these services?
  
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  May 13, 2023 10:59am
- Prince
  
  Citizens for Rowling Mk II
  That worked out so well for Labour !
  
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  May 13, 2023 2:43pm
sparkhole

Anyone else highly impressed with David Seymour on RCR?
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May 13, 2023 8:25am
- kevn
  
  No…
  https://preview.mailerlite.com/i1j0q5w3z5/2213401871257705355/v9s5/
  
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  May 13, 2023 10:48am
- leoj
  
  Seymour is in denial about excess deaths from the vaccine.
  
  He was also too chicken to go and talk to the protestors..
  
  Don’t get too enthused. He is merely another politician who hid behind Jacinda’s skirt during the pandemic and the mandates.
  
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  May 13, 2023 12:14pm
Chuck Bird

The crooked Biden family

BREAKING NEWS: House Republicans Detail ‘New Information’ About Biden Family ‘Shady Business Deals’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ert58Piqyow
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May 13, 2023 8:26am
- Inandout
  
  CB, it is becoming obvious that Biden Inc did indeed exist to enrich the family. The biggest worry for the family is that Joe will finally crack under the weight and even given his 50 years of feeding at the political trough, he is not mentally superhuman.
  
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  May 13, 2023 8:37am
- Philview
  
  I read an article yesterday by respected historian and commentator Naill Ferguson where he thinks history points to a Trump victory assuming it is a repeat of Trump v Biden. Personally I would like to see younger contenders.
  
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  May 13, 2023 8:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That is pretty full on. I skipped through it, but will watch later. I particularly listened to Jim Jordan, an the Black guy before him. Don’t know his name. Byron Donalds. He speaks of Biden Companies, pointing out they were Companies not Businesses. Trump has/has legitimate Businesses – not the Biden families. Jim Jordan just calls for honesty. Sorry Jim, we are talking Democrats here, show me an honest one. There are 170 ‘suspicious’ entities to be looked at?
  
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  May 13, 2023 9:29am
  - leoj
    
    Democrats are scum.
    
    Never forget what they did to Brett Kavanagh.
    
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    May 13, 2023 12:15pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Yep, they tried the same trick with Trump.
      Just imagine, some shiela you don’t know claims you raped her. Then, when you’re found not guilty of rape, you still have to pay this shiela $5m+.
      Something stinks with this fiasco and I’m of the opinion that it’s all been a setup by the Democrats.
      
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      May 13, 2023 12:56pm
- trout
  
  It seems to me that it suits the Democrats (right now with the polls looking unfavourable) to stand aside and allow the Republicans to destroy Biden’s reputation. Most Dems do not want Biden to run again; he is an embarrassment. Gavin Newsom, a narcissist in the Trump mould waits in the wings.
  
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  May 13, 2023 10:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump2024
    
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    May 13, 2023 11:47am
  - leoj
    
    Newsome and Trump are diametrically opposed.
    
    You have no idea what you are talking about.
    
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    May 13, 2023 12:17pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      leoj I took his post to mean both simply have big egos (even if on complete opposite sides of the political fence). Nothing more.
      
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      May 15, 2023 1:06pm
Chuck Bird

FYI

Exposed: Corrupted Climate Stations and Solutions You Need to Know

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MVOJBdoejw
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May 13, 2023 8:44am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Airports – hot jet exhaust. Carparks – radiators.
  The World is being rorted. Climate Change is a scam
  
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  May 13, 2023 9:35am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Car radiators are warming the ocean? Wot ….. ?
    
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    December 13, 2022 10:01am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Poor Ian, does not get it. Climate stations in carparks where possibly hundreds of car come in – hot, and then cool. The temperature the climate station reads is corrupt!
      
      And don’t give me any of that EV stuff.
      
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      May 13, 2023 10:12am
      - rouppe
        
        I’d have thought the issue was that car parks are huge black solar collectors that radiate heat rather than places where car radiators cool off…
        
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        May 13, 2023 10:21am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        That too, rouppe. Anywhere to get a higher than normal reading.
        
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        May 13, 2023 11:49am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Yep the climate super dooper catastrophe true believers have a long journey of discover ahead of them. Most won’t even get off the starting blocks.
        
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        May 15, 2023 1:08pm
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Seems Ian never heard of urban heat islands?
      
      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/02/12/urban-heat-island-effects-on-u-s-temperature-trends-1973-2020-ushcn-vs-hourly-weather-stations/
      
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      May 13, 2023 10:57am
      - Ian Boag
        
        My comment was related to warming of the oceans. Or do you not believe in that either … ?
        
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        May 13, 2023 5:32pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Ian Boag: “Car radiators are warming the ocean? Wot ….. ?”
      
      UHI (Urban Heat Island) effect. All that concrete, asphalt and heat generating infrastructure raises temps for weather stations placed in them.
      
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      May 15, 2023 1:12pm
Matt Long

Zion Wildlife Gardens, more twists than daytime soap.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/489794/whangarei-lion-park-director-dale-vallance-guilty-of-indecent-assault
Why do so many council backeded tourism ventures turn out to be less than saving the local economy? At least in this case it was special roading, rather than financial underwriting.
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May 13, 2023 9:06am
Bridgenag

Friday Funnies: Securing the Homeland
Just relax and learn to love the narrative, comrade

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/friday-funnies-securing-the-homeland?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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May 13, 2023 9:09am
hullkiwi

Labour, is it any wonder Hipkins doesn’t know what is going on in his party, when his social media attack dogs are fixated on attacking Luxon for talking to Kiwi voters in London.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/05/national-leader-christopher-luxon-hits-back-at-labour-s-ad-attack-over-uk-trip.html

With such an add, can we expect Hipkins to be working at his desk in the Beehive until election eve, and then complain that Luxon has been “wasting” time campaigning and speaking to Kiwis about their concerns?

Keep at it Chippie, and just remind me, who is the MP for Remutuka (the area where there was a daylight hold up in a dairy this week), and was Minister of Police until late January?

Working hard, Chippie and Liebore trolls, saving your breath!
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May 13, 2023 9:09am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nearly every question or statement was answered by referring to what the previous administration may have done – or what National may do now.
  Then slump down in his seat – very Jaspinda like. Must be time to take off overseas like Jaspinda did. 62+ days?
  
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  May 13, 2023 10:28am
- Tricati
  
  For all his supposed hard work, all he got was a couple of old sausage rolls. Pretty much sums up all he’s worth.
  
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  May 13, 2023 1:54pm
Matt Long

What mahi did Elizabeth Kerekere do?
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/citizen-science-elizabeth-kerekere-works-very-hard
Pushing transactivism and outlawing helping people with sexual addictions seems to be her legacy.
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May 13, 2023 9:12am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Whilst the biggest environmental disaster to hit Gisborne-East Coast has been unfolding, Elizabeth Kerekere has been conspicuously absent.
  
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  May 13, 2023 9:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Pushing trans into our Health System is NOT work Lizzy. The Health System is already rooted.
  
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  May 13, 2023 10:32am
  - blue collar
    
    😅 well said steveo !
    
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    May 13, 2023 2:58pm
Mike

Good account of David Seymour’s expert handling of one of the fantasist interviewers on the ironically named ‘Reality Check Radio’:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300876220/david-seymours-interview-on-voice-for-freedom-radio-station-is-fascinating
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May 13, 2023 9:28am
- RightNow
  
  Sigh… ok then I’ll go and check out RCR and get the actual story.
  
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  May 13, 2023 10:03am
- kevn
  
  seymour… Global evidence denier.
  https://preview.mailerlite.com/i1j0q5w3z5/2213401871257705355/v9s5/
  
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  May 13, 2023 10:05am
- leoj
  
  Praise from Mike actually means that Seymour flubbed many questions.
  
  Hiding behind Jacinda’s skirt needs to be levelled at Seymour every opportunity we get.
  
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  May 13, 2023 12:20pm
  - Mike
    
    Who is the ‘we’ you purport to speak for in your last sentence?
    
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    May 13, 2023 1:19pm
    - leoj
      
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      May 13, 2023 2:00pm
  - blue collar
    
    No one’s perfect .
    Mikes right , he handled it well
    I’d rather focus on what he has got right than hammering him over the one thing he …. And all other politicians got wrong
    
    Are you perfect leoj?
    
    Stones n glass houses
    
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    May 13, 2023 3:03pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Barstadising our languages does not lead to clear communication.

The provisions of the Plain Language Act should be brought to their attention for the sake of both the English and the Maori language, namely, to benefit and improve communication between government agencies and the public, not between minority “woke” sectors and their like counterparts within the bureaucratic environment and their acolytes.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/dennis-gates-mixing-maori-and-english-bastardises-both-languages
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May 13, 2023 9:31am
- Nickc2
  
  I would like to know who/what gave birth to this Maoglish craze that has been accepted as being the norm in Govt Entities?
  I particularly take offence at entity Maori titles being presented in Superscript with their English titles presented as Subscript.
  There’s nothing that vaguely gives credence to this practice in the ToW.
  
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  May 13, 2023 9:48am
- Taieri
  
  The best comment under that article:
  
  “The pnoit of lagugnae is to conmumcitae eifcfetvly. Tihs msesgae is eseiar for msot poelpe to uednrtsnad tahn Mroai wdros pperped thougruoht Egnilsh, and olny 30 prcenet of tihs is seplt crcorelty.”
  
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  May 13, 2023 9:55am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Ka pai!
    
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    May 13, 2023 11:20am
hullkiwi

You know the government has got a policy disaster onits hands when it has to roll out one of its union cronies to defend the indefensible….

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/05/secondary-principals-association-head-defends-new-look-ncea-level-1-qualification-after-some-schools-object.html

This where I feel much sympathy for Erica Stanford, she will possibly be Minister of Education in November, but as the Minister (or Chair) of one of the most important government ministries she will have an In Tray that would have most business people saying close it down. But how can she, there is a generation of young New Zealanders in the system….

Where does she find thousands of suitably qualified & motivated teachers, just like that?

What does she do about a curriculum that is almost non-existent?

Then there is the matter of truancy….

The list of education woes is endless, is very real.

So my sympathies are with Stanford here, but is there any truth in the rumour that Michael Wood is the Minister of Education and Tinetti merely the rabbit we see caught in the headlights?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/05/truancy-michael-wood-says-ministry-to-get-rocket-under-them-after-attendance-officer-revelations.html
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May 13, 2023 9:33am
- peterwn
  
  That is the way Norm Kirk ran things when he was PM. His inner circle had effective control of all the portfolios and the Ministers outside that circle did what they were told. A Department CEO at the time discussed things with his Minister and concluded the Minister had no real authority to decide or comment on anything.
  
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  May 13, 2023 10:18am
  - Mike
    
    It’s the way all governments run. There is a maximum of 6 or 7, often fewer, that can actually run things coherently.
    
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    May 13, 2023 1:30pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Echoing Mike … every Government runs like this. The PM will have a small (4-7) group of Ministers who are on the inside, and collectively they make all the big decisions. The most commonly used term for them is “kitchen cabinet”.
    
    The rest of (big C) Cabinet are allowed to make small decisions within their portfolio, but for anything of national importance they get told what to do.
    
    Key’s kitchen cabinet was English, Joyce, Finlayson, Brownlee and then at different times Bennett and Bridges.
    
    I couldn’t say exactly who’s in Hipkin’s kitchen cabinet but I’ll guess that it includes Robertson, Little and Woods. Presumably Sepuloni because she’s ranked #2. Maybe Parker. But would be interesting to know whether Mahuta is in there, given how much political power the Maori caucus wield inside Labour.
    
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    May 13, 2023 5:09pm
Tony Stuart

Andrew Little has posted a graphic on Twitter, along with the following:

Andrew Little
@AndrewLittleMP
There’s an assumption the right wing of politics puts more priorty on our defence forces being well equipped and ready to respond. In NZ that’s absolutely untrue 🔵 National ALWAYS cuts defence 🔴 Labour values our soldiers, sailors and aviators

https://twitter.com/AndrewLittleMP/status/1656938660946915328

Leaving aside the spelling mistake (“priorty”), Little is being rather disingenuous here. Has he forgotten that Helen Clark decommissioned the air combat capability of RNZAF? Has he forgotten that Helen Clark pulled us out of the ANZUS alliance? Who allowed so many NZDF personnel to be deployed to MIQ facilities between 2020 and 2022 that people have left the NZDF in battalions? Hint; it wasn’t National.

I have no problem with this week’s announcement to fund pay rises and buy new equipment for NZDF; it’s long overdue. But it’s a cheap shot to somehow suggest that National’s Defence spokesman Tim van de Molen, who was first elected to Parliament in 2017, is somehow responsible for National’s alleged low spend on defence.

This, and attack advertisements against Christopher Luxon give an insight into what the election is going to be like. Labour will do anything and smear anyone to retain power. It’s said that truth is the first casualty of war, but with the Labour Party, it seems to be the first casualty of politics as well.
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May 13, 2023 9:35am
- Cassandra
  
  Actually Little is right. Holland, Holyoake, Muldoon and Bolger were no friends of the military. Our best Ministers were Tizard and the EME bloke. But I’m hoping National will come right. ACT’s 2% policy is the way to go.
  
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  May 13, 2023 10:02am
- Ian Boag
  
  Labour will do anything and smear anyone to retain power.
  
  National of course would never dream of doing the same if the opportunity presents itself.
  
  Politics – doncha love it.
  
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  May 13, 2023 10:04am
- nathie
  
  Well said TS – oh by the way about Labour “buying new equipment”, yes that is true in that they are, however this “new equipment” has been signaled in past years (in the defence capability plan and defence estate/infrastructure regeneration plans etc).
  
  So Labour’s announcement last week is kind-of-like re-announcing previous plans that had been submitted to Cabinet but now Labour are providing the funding.
  
  Which is welcome. Except at the rate Labour are funding things, it seems like it will take an awfully long time to sign-off and fund everything that has been previously presented to Cabinet or is in the works to be submitted!
  
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  May 13, 2023 10:10am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Sorry, can’t agree. National always talks tough on defence, but when push comes to shove, have always preferred to invest elsewhere.
  
  There is zero evidence that National has prioritised defence spending for the past 40 years. Zero.
  
  Not holding a candle here for Labour, Clark and Wilson’s anti-nuclear bullshit cost the NZ economy heavily (and irreversibly), and Clark’s “benign strategic environment” cost us what was left of our capability. But the poorly-designed, grudging “investments” made in defence over the last 40 years pretty much all came from Labour.
  
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  May 13, 2023 11:07am
- NoFax
  
  Unfortunately, what Little and you wrote are both true – it’s been bad for a long time. Helen Clarke also decided to pull out of Singapore which was a blow to our army as well. When it comes to spending Labour tend to be better but not good on the overall strategy. So getting rid of the combat wing of RNZAF was debateable, the money saved was reinvested into the NZDF. However, it is clear that neither National nor Labour have been great for the NZDF. A certain regular commentator here was a former defence minister so perhaps he would like to defend National’s rather poor investment into defence.
  
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  May 13, 2023 12:43pm
- mogg
  
  Our main concern has to be what concessions Labour are prepared to make to TPM and The Greens in their desperation to cling onto power. Labour are now a bunch of desperadoes who will stop at nothing, everything will be up for negotiation with a small minority of loonies who are holding the balance of power.
  As a majority govt they have conceded 5 waters, and co- govt, so what are they prepared to give away with their backs to the wall.
  
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  May 13, 2023 2:44pm
Lee C

CNN tried to crash and burn Trump.

He not only won the audience, but started a Rally:

https://youtu.be/N5ogoFTlNug

Now CNN are turning on their own. ‘What went wrong’? They cry.

Trump owned them is what went wrong.

They are unable to fathom how their massive intellects could have been blindsided by the orange man and in a frenzy of analysis re-framoing and attempted reclamation of the narrative.

same shit, different decade.

Oh well, At least it took Biden-corruption off the front page… for may forty-eight hours, maybe…
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May 13, 2023 9:46am
hullkiwi

Tony, the list of Little’s omissions goes on. Programme for the replacement of the Hercules and Orion’s started when National was in government.

The fact that the givt has had to do a pay review to retain what service personnel NZ has, is not National’s fault. Nor is the fact that Australia are running campaigns to poach NZ service personnel.

What is needed is a proper strategic review, and commitment from the government as to the future form of the NZ services and their status within NZ’ foreign policy framework.

Therefore, dare I ask, what is Little’s position on NZ’s relationship/participation in the AUKUS alliance.

…but as you say, from Labour we get glib attack ads from Little and Chippie with inaccurate smears…
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May 13, 2023 9:57am
- Cassandra
  
  I think the US and Australia have put the hard word on NZ and we’ll see an improvement. Little will be OK, better than the rest anyway, but to see a real defence policy we need ACT.
  
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  May 13, 2023 10:04am
- Flossie
  
  I am not sure of course, but I understood you could not be employed by Australian Government services (i.e. Defence for one) if you are not a citizen of Australia.
  
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  May 13, 2023 10:28am
  - Kumbukani Obi
    
    correct.
    
    You cannot work as a public servant in Australia if you are not an Australian citizen.
    
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    May 13, 2023 12:54pm
    - sirknz
      
      If we had such a policy in this country, how different would our public service be?
      
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      May 13, 2023 5:39pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I’m pretty sure there are former NZDF soldiers in the ADF
    
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    May 13, 2023 8:16pm
I remember when

There have been numerous complaints about the use of the Maori language/Te Reo, however,
perhaps we should be using one word more often.
Taihoa.
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May 13, 2023 9:59am
- mandk
  
  Meaning?
  
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  May 13, 2023 10:24am
  - Matt Long
    
    It’s time for a cup of tea, Lange style.
    
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    May 13, 2023 11:03am
hmmokrightitis

Was thinking the other day I miss the reasoned and reasonable comment’s form Odakyu-sen.

Welcome back 😀
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May 13, 2023 10:04am
Maggie Pie

Remember I posted here yesterday how quite it had gone on the Nashie enquiry?

Well, I’m sure someone ‘high up’ must follow me on GD.
Earlier, I was sent a link to all of Stu’s emails between him and his donors….

https://scribd.com/document/644750406/Stuart-Nash-emails#
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May 13, 2023 10:07am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Very, very interesting MP. In his reply to the Ombudsman dated 29 March 2023, Nash rather prophetically writes:
  
  I consider that if the information in emails between Mr Bowker and myself was to be released would significantly damage my ability to effectively conduct public affairs due to the information regarding current and former Members of Parliament.
  
  No wonder he fought tooth and nail to keep all this out of the media. And no wonder the PM and the Minister for Auckland rushed to make a surprise announcement about bringing forward the construction of a second Auckland Harbour crossing just a day after Nash wrote to Peter Boshier, Chief Ombudsman.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-harbour-bridge-pm-chris-hipkins-received-no-written-advice-before-announcing-start-date-for-new-harbour-crossing/X4DKHXSZCFDOPO5WCD7J3UU6H4/
  
  Oh what a tangled web we weave
  When first we practice to deceive…
  
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  May 13, 2023 10:32am
I remember when

McAnulty flies into HB squall: NZ Farmers Weekly.
McAnulty acknowledged the size of the task ahead and said he wants to hear what the community needs.

Perhaps he should read what the two previous Hawke’s Bay Lead Recovery Ministers were told.
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May 13, 2023 10:09am
- Tony Stuart
  
  McAnulty is too late. National’s two candidates in the Bay have already set themselves up as de facto electorate MP’s, and National’s Cyclone Relief spokesman Chris Penk is visiting at least weekly. Chris Luxon was there yesterday as well, and the locals have made it clear that Hipkins, McAnulty and the rest of their Labour cronies have let them sink or swim. Labour’s apathy towards the people of Hawke’s Bay has hurt many, and will hurt the Labour Party in October.
  
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  May 13, 2023 1:53pm
Yvette

Dropping Maori kupu in the middle of English sentences (OK – well, third of the way through a sentence) –

To mix Maori and English, as is becoming a common practice, is to bastardise both languages for the benefit of neither. In correspondence with the Human Rights Commission on this point I was advised that this practice was acceptable because everyone is doing it.
That argument is wrong. Not everyone is doing it as the script of the two pieces of legislation I have referred to demonstrate [the Plain Language Act and the Maori Language Act 2016]. Those unfamiliar with either English or Maori are not doing it. Dyslexic people are not doing it. Rather it is a current fashion with the “woke” in positions of influence that see this practice as acceptable.
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/dennis-gates-mixing-maori-and-english-bastardises-both-languages

Stamp out Manglish
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May 13, 2023 10:13am
- Paulus
  
  Agreed – over my long life I am conversation fluent in French, German and I even understand Aussie and Yankee, and what is more I speak English quite fluently, like almost most parts of the World, so why do I have to listen and read a mumbo jumbo language which has no use to me whatsoever.
  I try just to ignore it.
  
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  May 13, 2023 2:12pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Well done on being conversation fluent in Deutsch & Francais as opposed to Denglish and Franglish which most Brits are very good at.
    
    For my part my wife’s first language was German and I worked in Germany for two years, so I had no choice! Up until then, I had got by on School Cert French & Russian.
    
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    May 13, 2023 3:57pm
Bridgenag

The Australian ran a terrible piece about NZ on Friday ” Unaffordable, unwelcoming, NZ’s land of the long white cloud now just land of mediocrity”
OLIVER HARTWICH” Couldn’t seem to find a link

Very depressing
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May 13, 2023 10:13am
- peterwn
  
  Meanwhile some Kiwis have returned from Australia saying it is not all it is cracked up to be.
  
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  May 13, 2023 11:00am
  - Burtland
    
    140,000 arrived and 100,000 left – so what
    
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    May 13, 2023 11:39am
    - ISeeRed
      
      Every new hire in my department at my supermarket over the last six months has been an immigrant from the Third World. Meanwhile, hundreds if not thousands of able-bodied born-and-bred Kiwi locals enter my supermarket each week only to spend their benefit, not work and support themselves.
      
      At least the locals speak English as their first language. The immigrants often have poor English when literacy is a prerequisite for the job e.g. reading price tickets to shelve stock correctly, and take longer to get up to speed as they’re unfamiliar with most of the brands or products they have to process. These are the “new New Zealanders” who still see themselves as proudly Indian etc. and call their country of origin “home”, not New Zealand, although they’ll say New Zealand is a “nice” country.
      
      To summarise, our population is gradually being replaced by foreigners here to exploit us economically and benefit personally but have no loyalty or affinity with our society or share our cultural values, while a small percentage of the working population are net taxpayers forced to subsidise an ever-growing parasitical class of work-shy welfare dependents as our best and brightest leave for sunnier shores.
      
      So there’s your “so what”.
      
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      May 13, 2023 3:10pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Yep, I see that too
        
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        May 13, 2023 8:21pm
  - mogg
    
    Never listen to naysayers go there and see for yourself, Aus is a great country and the Australian is a real newspaper unlike the govt funded propaganda outlets we have here.
    
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    May 13, 2023 3:02pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Nowhere is perfect. Australia is by and large a more affordable place to live (for now).
    
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    May 13, 2023 6:04pm
Taieri

New developments from the La La Land. Nothing is left to a chance there:

https://www.climatecommission.govt.nz/public/Advice-to-govt-docs/ERP2/draft-erp2/CCC4940_Draft-ERP-Advice-2023-P02-V02-web.pdf

Spoiler: The Newspeak Dictionary will be most useful.
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May 13, 2023 10:18am
- Burtland
  
  using the same method as the IPCC – 220pgs of obfuscation
  whos going to bother reading it
  
  quote the Minster of Climate Change “It’s not my job to provide her with scientific evidence.”
  
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  May 13, 2023 11:23am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Sigh – the first section I look at – benefits of reducing emissions – lists nonsense like “encouraging new ways of moving around”.
  How is moving around in a new way necessarily a benefit?
  There is no corresponding section on the risks of reducing emissions. There clearly are some (just ask Germany).
  
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  May 13, 2023 12:41pm
- Burtland
  
  Recommendation 5
  Ensure Iwi/Māori can drive the integration of mātauranga Māori into policy design, development, and implementation at central and local government level, by delivering sufficient resources to Iwi/Hapū
  
  Enabling System Transformation
  no recommendations proposed
  
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  May 13, 2023 4:48pm
Maggie Pie

The UK’s Daily Mail has always been my ‘go-to’ site for world news.
The headline-editors always seem to have wicked sense of humor as well ….

“Man, 30, dies with ping pong ball up his bum
after being electrocuted while pleasuring himself”

https://trib.al/pLOuysZ

LOL!!
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May 13, 2023 10:30am
- Che Guava
  
  Look, I think most decent people can live with a “one-piece women’s swimsuit,” an “electric massage device” and an “object — around 9cm in length — lodged in his rectum,” but isn’t the term “ping pong” considered racist? That crosses the line in my book.
  
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  May 13, 2023 11:55am
- Observant Octagenarian
  
  What about the man who went to hospital with 5 plastic horses stuck in his rectum.
  Hospital reported his condition as ‘stable’.
  
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  May 13, 2023 12:43pm
  - blue collar
    
    octo 😅😅 ….
    
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    May 13, 2023 3:25pm
thirteenstars

Regards the discussion here yesterday about the open letter from a bunch of prominent and supposedly wealthy people asking for the government to tax them more, here’s one of the leading voices in this ideology that tax is good, we must have more of it, Kate Frykberg:

https://kate.frykberg.co.nz/2022/12/19/philanthropy-and-tax-lets-have-more-of-both/
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May 13, 2023 10:59am
- Taieri
  
  “Tax us. Tax us. Tax us. It is the right choice. It is the only choice. Humanity is more important than our money.”
  
  Karl Marx put it more succinctly:
  
  “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”
  
  Without specifying who will determine these needs…
  
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  May 13, 2023 11:04am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Acts 34-35
    
    34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
    
    35 And laid them down at the apostles’ feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
    
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    May 13, 2023 2:36pm
- Swifty
  
  What a deficient article from Kate Frykberg.
  
  Two holes she left gaping, there will be more:
  
  1. She doesn’t mention the terrible waste, the awful squandering of taxpayer money by governments
  
  2. No mention, again, of how much tax is too much? The subject we never seem able to discuss and lefties swerve away from.
  
  Waste of time.
  
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  May 13, 2023 6:22pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Melania Trump’s first interview since leaving the WH.

The Don is coming back, and so is Melania.

https://rumble.com/v2mw19y-melania-trump-breaks-silence-on-2024-election-in-rare-interview.html
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May 13, 2023 11:04am
- blue collar
  
  Carn trump , make America great again , kick that kook Biden to the kerb
  
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  May 13, 2023 3:28pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    When Biden came to power in 2020, he immediately claimed the current jobs as Dem policies working.
    No way could it be MAGA!
    
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    May 14, 2023 9:31am
soothsayer99

So a ship break down in the Tasman and we happen to have an ocean tug nearby, supporting the off shore oil and gas industry. So the captains call is to doom the ship if we have no oil and gas industry?
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May 13, 2023 11:14am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Hang on though. There won’t be any ships out there to rescue if we do a good enough job of wrecking our energy supplies. Ships will be a thing of the past.
  
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  May 13, 2023 12:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/very-very-lively-night-at-our-tauranga-event-last-night/

Helicopter, Police, Assault Rifles (they are just rifles, they don’t assault) Road spikes.
No protesters. Pity is was not like this at Orewa.
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May 13, 2023 11:15am
MCōs

Last night the Chiefs were soundly beaten by Brad Thorn & the Reds.
And
The Warriors beat some losers in Sydney
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May 13, 2023 11:22am
- blue collar
  
  Resting players ….. chiefs , every team must learn if you hv a winning team , don’t change it .
  Any sportsman will tell you they WANT to play . They are fit and can handle the weekly hit out , coach fucked up .
  
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  May 13, 2023 3:33pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    @ blue-
    I could be mistaken but I understand there is a Rugby NZ policy that mandates regular rest or stand downs for All Blacks playing in the current tournament.
    When the Crusaders were going through an ugly patch of injuries earlier, they had to get a special dispensation to allow their All Blacks, who should have been “ resting”, to play in order to have enough to cover the playing 15 and all reserves on game day.
    
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    May 13, 2023 4:42pm
Chris Nisbet

This might just be the best podcast by Tom Nelson I’ve seen…

https://youtu.be/NiHrCjqP4KQ

about (among other things) how wind/solar will not make electricity cheaper.
Media will ignore the guy making the presentation of course, but we might still have a politician or two willing to be educated on the problems with wind/solar, and how focussing on CO2 emissions during the production of electricity is a bad thing.
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May 13, 2023 11:25am
Maggie Pie

One place I’ve never been is…. Africa.
Never had any desire to go there anyway.
Not only that, can you imagine putting your LIFE in the hands of an African?

https://twitter.com/cctvidiots/status/1656432101955354625
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May 13, 2023 11:49am
- Che Guava
  
  Racial oppression and systemic disadvantage made that bungy cord fail.
  
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  May 13, 2023 12:07pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I believe you could be right Che.
    Bit like the operators they employ on the rides at the Easter Show.
    No way would you get me up in a Ferris Wheel anymore 🙁
    
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    May 13, 2023 12:54pm
- Kumbukani Obi
  
  Yes all Africans are the same. All 54 countries. All 1.2 billion people. /s
  
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  May 13, 2023 12:48pm
  - Che Guava
    
    It’s not about absolutes, it is about patterns and the probability of something going wrong based on past knowledge. While there is a chance that you’d be perfectly fine, it is still perfectly reasonable to avoid walking the streets of Baltimore or Detroit at night time, based on crime statistics and the related demographic data. Prejudice may be un-PC, but it is an important survival adaptation.
    
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    May 13, 2023 1:06pm
rouppe

Yep, Māori were peaceful, never had conflict and worked together for the wellbeing of the country as a whole…

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/iwi-dispute-leaves-council-meat-in-the-sandwich/7GOC4BZRKRGQPAZ6IPB3D7QZNY/
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May 13, 2023 11:59am
- Swifty
  
  Ngati Tama complaining that Ngati Maniapoto are claiming some of their rohe.
  
  Interesting.
  
  Ngati Tama were the participants in the invasion and genocide of Moriori on the Chathams.
  
  Not that that matters today of course. We have moved on. Unless of course you’re European, and then historic misdeeds will be held against their descendants forever and ever and used as a basis for racially discriminatory laws today.
  
  Great to be Maori, you can have your cake and eat it too.
  
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  May 13, 2023 1:35pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Great to be Maori, you can have your cake and eat it too
    Yep, ya can’t beat Pakeha Fruit Loaf eh?
    
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    May 13, 2023 1:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

3 years ago it was this stupid, with the controllers.

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/first-ct-bans-hair-dryers-in-salons-for-state-reopening-then-reverses-decision-on-them/
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May 13, 2023 12:30pm
Ghost

I’d expect food that has just been cooked to be hot. I would also expect that a mother would be responsible enough to know the food is hot. Stupid lawsuit

A South Florida jury returned a split verdict in a civil lawsuit filed against McDonald’s and one of its franchisees that alleged “dangerously hot” chicken nuggets from a Happy Meal burned a toddler, according to CNN affiliate WPLG.

Article
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May 13, 2023 12:58pm
- Swifty
  
  Ridiculous.
  
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  May 13, 2023 1:35pm
- MCōs
  
  McDonald’s has had a bad run in NZ lately
  or is it KFC?
  If we fancy some fry chicken and chips we do it ourselves.
  If we’re going to load up on a bit of fat and cholesterol it might as well be healthy.
  
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  May 13, 2023 2:56pm
  - sirknz
    
    I guess if you average out the temperatures with McDonalds here and in Florida, the chicken is cooked properly…
    
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    May 13, 2023 6:33pm
Taieri

More wrap-around-care is needed urgently:

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/armed-group-targets-christchurch-warehouse
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May 13, 2023 1:00pm
Maggie Pie

THIRSTY WORK 😀

See the Horrid reporting that the YTD total departmental spend by the DIA on contractors and consultant fees for ‘Three Waters’ programme…. is in excess of $94,000,000.00 !! (Ninety-four-million-dollars)

The consultants included dozens of policy advisers, ministerial advisers, engagement advisers, and advisers on iwi/Maori.

What an EYE WATERING waste of taxpayers money 🙁
Still, hopefully those 100 ‘wealthy’ numpties who want to pay more tax wont mind topping up the pot.

Just saying.
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May 13, 2023 1:27pm
- Prince
  
  Just a reminder that Labour Govt couldn’t find the additional $20M needed to fix Westport’s flood issues.
  
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  May 13, 2023 2:54pm
  - blue collar
    
    Exactly .
    We need a Tradie in charge as PM , if it isn’t practical , don’t do it .
    Sack anyone that doesn’t produce positive outcomes in a cost benefit analysis
    Slaughter ministry’s , bone em out to a skeleton crew of competents with set goals
    Anyone ending an email with nga mihi first to go . No virtue signalling or pc crap tolerated . Unfund the media .
    Won’t come to the office ? Sacked
    Hire 10, 000 cops and 10, 000 nurses / quacks with the savings .
    Get rid of unvoted Māori seats and for christs sake a river or a mountain isn’t a person
    Want to help Māori ? Make all apprenticeships govt funded , all races , all citizens . These bastards will contribute in a meaningful way to their communities , hard graft and skill and pride . Youth are full of energy n we need em , doing the big hours , building shit for all of us . Just like our forbears , like the boys n girls today , there just aren’t enough
    Then they can learn a skill and stand on their own 2 feet . Just like my Māori apprentices do .
    Māori are great . They ain’t special . We are all equal .
    
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    May 13, 2023 4:00pm
Paulus

Talking to Canberra Relative, retired very senior some years Immigration Official yesterday about their Budget and the fact that the Population is expected according to the PM, by 2 million to 28 million in a few years.
He said that the largest proportion of immigrants currently in about 450,000 this year, are are from the Indian Sub Continent, which is made up of India, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Bhutan, Sri Lanka, and the Maldives, with over 1.7 billion people, is the largest such entity in the world.
We have effectively stopped Immigration from such as India and other similar parts of the world for some years now but he sees currently enormous growth in Australia from there.
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  It’s our mistake . They are great workers with a great sense of humour .
  I’d add Filipinos .
  Get em in here , in droves .
  
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  May 13, 2023 4:21pm
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    If you want to live in India, knock yourself out
    
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    May 13, 2023 8:27pm
Keith White

Advice sought please – how to change ‘something’ on a Chrome browser so Kiwiblog posts display newest at the top? Thanks in advance.
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May 13, 2023 2:32pm
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  You can’t, that is something you’d have to convince David to do with the blog.
  
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  May 13, 2023 2:40pm
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    Ah. Thanks for the fast/helpful reply Ghost.
    
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    May 13, 2023 2:42pm
- Keith White
  
  Haha gotta laugh that someone downticked this question. Hope your day gets better – although it’s getting late in the arvo 🙂
  
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  May 13, 2023 4:33pm
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    Laughing, what a sad idiot.
    
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    May 13, 2023 4:48pm
- artemisia
  
  You can send all posts to a gmail folder, filter into subfolders by thread or keyword or sender if you like. Result will be in date order, newest first but not nested. Less complex than it sounds. Via login to WordPress, I think called email notifications. Been a while since I did it.
  
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  May 13, 2023 5:35pm
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    There is a downside in that the blog owner only gets ad revenue from the site. I make a point of visiting the site and not using an adblocker.
    
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    May 13, 2023 6:00pm
MCōs

Thai elections tomorrow and one party is far ahead of all the others.
However what could happen thereafter entirely unknown
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May 13, 2023 2:38pm
Maggie Pie

Things that make you go “hmmm”.

Remember the furore that ensued when someone discovered a pic of Justin Trudeau wearing ‘blackface’….

https://twitter.com/kiwinizzel1/status/1656868162279985152
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May 13, 2023 2:46pm
- blue collar
  
  I still don’t get the blackface problem . Anyone can dress up as anything if they want . Who gives a fuck ?
  There’s no disrespect , it’s just people playing dress up n having fun .
  Libertarianism . Each to their own .
  Offence takers hv a look in the mirror and ask yourself what your problem is and deal with it . Or not . No one cares .
  I don’t crack the shits with all this white stale pale male coloniser shit .
  I just see a group of people with their opinions n I don’t care .
  I’ve got mine too . N ill hv a beer with my crew n not yours . It’s all good
  
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  May 13, 2023 4:16pm
  - Ghost
    
    It’s strange how some people get called out for blackface and others don’t
    
    Culture Club – Do You Really Want To Hurt Me
    
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    May 13, 2023 4:49pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I reckon Michael Jackson was doing ‘whiteface’
    Did I get that wrong?
    
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    May 13, 2023 5:14pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    It’s just the loony left fun police trying to bully those that aren’t as bonkers as they are.
    
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    May 15, 2023 1:18pm
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  Some people just don’t like freckles
  
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  May 13, 2023 8:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Typical CNN. Republican Officials debunk those claims — “Who? who?”
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1656458894175092739
Well Trump had the stones to appear on fake news..
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May 13, 2023 3:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Strange that a panel interviewer asks why Trump goes back to 2020, when the very first question was about 2020. Then the whole media repeats the first part without the panel member’s answer.
  
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  May 13, 2023 3:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

CNN. Trump. This was posted by that ‘squatter Crim dot com’
Do you want RUSSIA or Ukraine to win the war? Stupid CNN question, then she would not STFU.
https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1656494145836572674
“Stopped in 24 hours”
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May 13, 2023 3:47pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Tucker Carlson – Alex Jones – Ilon Musk.
https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1656494145836572674
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May 13, 2023 4:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

SARS. No not that SARS, this one, err suspicious activity reports. (170 of them)
Seems like President Biden is lying – he may not know he is lying is just bull.

https://billingsreport.com/house-republicans-lay-out-damning-case-of-biden-familys-alleged-corruption/
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May 13, 2023 4:33pm
Nookin

RIP Bruce Robertson, the prince of all centres.
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May 13, 2023 6:17pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Sadly, there are millions of migrant New Zealanders who have no idea who Bruce Robertson was.
  
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  May 13, 2023 8:33pm
Ghost

Hahahahahaha, I’d be surprised if you get 2 percent

The Destiny Church leader has formed an umbrella party called Freedoms New Zealand. He’ll be number one on the list while anti-vax lawyer Sue Grey is second.

Their parties have also linked up with the New Nation Party and together they said they can persuade 20 percent of the electorate to vote for them.

Article
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May 13, 2023 7:00pm
Maggie Pie

Honestly, the things that pass as ‘news’ these days.

Headline in the Horrid….
‘Rachel Hunter a grandmother at 53’

WELL DUH! I was a grandmother at 36 and not a dickey-bird.

Just saying.
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May 13, 2023 7:02pm
- Ghost
  
  It takes a lot of courage to admit that you read the herald.
  
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  May 13, 2023 7:19pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    But I don’t read it silly….I only subscribe for the ‘Entertainment News’.
    
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    May 13, 2023 7:24pm
    - Ghost
      
      Save your money and secretly get the neighbours fighting, best entertainment you can get.
      
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      May 13, 2023 7:28pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        We have Chinese neighbours – nice people. Sometimes they have a loud yelling match, never violent.
        Next morning I say “who won?” Always get smiles!
        
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        May 14, 2023 9:41am
greybeard

Every govt department seems to spend millions on consultants to do their jobs for them.
Why not dispense with all government employees and instead use consultants as and when required , with a sensible maximum hourly rate ?
Would that not be far cheaper than the current system ?
I don’t mean nurses, police, teachers: it is the office staff who appear to get paid for doing nothing who should be eliminated.
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- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  No no no no, we don’t want those people in the private sector!
  
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