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Ghost

A parent of a Whangārei Boys’ High School student says he didn’t let his son go on the fatal Abbey Caves trip because he was concerned about safety.

Scotty Booth has a son in year 11. Stuff has seen an email from Booth to the school’s head of outdoor education the night before the trip and asked if it would go ahead, given the forecasted bad weather.

Booth didn’t receive a response, so he pulled his teenaged son from the trip.

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May 11, 2023 8:01am
- igm
  
  But parents know nothing, teachers know best.
  
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  May 11, 2023 8:10am
- kevn
  
  @Ghost… The father is a helicopter pilot and used to risk assessment and danger. Unlike the school.
  
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  May 11, 2023 8:53am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The school does not need a ‘risk assessment manager,’ it needs a fuckwit isolator.
    Someone messed up big time, needs to be called out, and prosecuted.
    
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    May 11, 2023 9:02am
    - Simon
      
      “Someone messed up big time, needs to be called out, and prosecuted.”
      
      Ok Columbo. Dont you think there should be an investigation first? Or are you already on your fourth booster shot?
      
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      May 11, 2023 9:13am
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        What’s to investigate? Its too late. The school fucked up. The kid is dead.
        
        Some mealy-mouthed report that “mistakes were made” “systems let us down” “lessons have been learned” will not change anything. Nor will “aroha” or the local Iwi declaring a rahui.
        
        A bit of performative dance will not change that this was clearly incompetence.
        
        The inquiry will find that the root cause of the death was a combination of colonialisation and systematic underfunding of the teaching profession.
        
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        May 11, 2023 10:06am
      - slightlyrighty
        
        Some things are so patently obvious that any investigation will be short.
        
        That fact that someone had the foresight to remove their son from an expedition that resulted in the death of someone else’s son is more proof than you need that the decision to go ahead, in light of the forecast, was wrong.
        
        We do not need the benefit of hindsight when other’s foresight was ignored.
        
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        May 11, 2023 10:38am
      - Caine9
        
        Idiotic. We all know that a long-winded investigation report will only be used to create a result that shows that no-one was at fault. Not sure why you’d be happy with that or unaware that it would be the usual outcome.
        Obviously we need understanding, but the inability to see what’s in front of you is a reflection on Simon.
        
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        May 11, 2023 2:45pm
    - thirteenstars
      
      “fuckwit isolator”
      
      Nice, but you can’t unfuck an inherently fucked-up system.
      
      Health and safety has become so pervasive and so woke in its application that real risk assessment has gone out the window.
      
      All these people have checklists and decision trees coming out their backsides. And they apply them diligently. And most of the time it’s meaningless. So it ceases to have value.
      
      It’s like the notices posted at building site gates with risks listed, and everyone’s wearing hi-viz, and on and on. At some point it becomes background noise.
      
      Obeying the inflexible rules of a bureaucracy is not *thinking*. In fact it’s worse than using common sense and rule of thumb because it’s inherently dumbed-down.
      
      As long as the boxes get ticked, yep, we’re good to go.
      
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      May 11, 2023 10:34am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      As per the usual crap from politicians, they are telling us there will be multiple investigations by various organisations. Of course there fucking will. It’s called obfuscation and passing the buck. In NZ apparently nobody is to blame for anything. Lots of suits will write lots of bs and nothing will happen.
      This country is going down the toilet faster every passing week.
      
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      May 11, 2023 1:27pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Clan you’re correct. Tonight the reports are saying the investigation & report will take a year. Why?
        
        One person should have the investigation/interviews concluded and the report published within 2 months. And those responsible prosecuted before the end of the school year. Anything that drags on beyond this year, is to obfuscate what has happened.
        
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        May 11, 2023 8:38pm
      - Ghost
        
        Weather report for days had warnings out, why did you ignore the weather report with caves that are known to have flash flooding in rain?
        
        Report finished.
        
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        May 11, 2023 8:42pm
  - Ghost
    
    He probably looked at all the metservice warnings, don’t think you need to be a helicopter pilot to understand them.
    
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    May 11, 2023 9:27am
    - Che Guava
      
      This is obviously a tragedy, no doubt, but there is an argument that says that any of those kids’ parents could have also prevented their child from going on the trip, given the weather conditions.
      
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      May 11, 2023 11:12am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Maybe they presumed there was no way the trip would go ahead because nobody could be that stupid? It really does beggar belief.
        It’s the same with our medical people, politicians, media, “experts”. We used to be able to trust these people. One by one it’s becoming clear that all of our institutions are infested with woke, incompetent, box ticking zombies.
        
        I’ve been watching the educators for a couple of years now and getting more nervous by the week. This has done nothing to allay my concerns. When is this incompetence going to be arrested?
        
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        May 11, 2023 1:33pm
    - Ehlana
      
      No, but the fact he is one may well mean he has more practical experience of the risks inherent in outdoor activity in bad weather than the teacher or school would.
      
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      May 11, 2023 11:21am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    No risk assessment needed in this situation, a shred of common sense was all that was required.
    
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    May 11, 2023 11:16am
- lastmanstanding
  
  I voted against MMP because Peter Shirtcliffe and others warned at the time we would get the tail wagging the dog and the major Parties having to compromise or go against their policies in order to get support from minority Parties.
  So it has proved. IMHO we have a worse outcome with the major Parties forced to abandon or water down good policies that would benefit all citizens in order to appease the minorities self interest in their small cohort.
  That is not democracy when as in 2017 a Party that got only 7% got to decide the Government when 93% voted against that Party.
  Unless we go back to FPP this country wil continue to stagnate.
  
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  May 11, 2023 8:56am
  - muzled
    
    You’ve just had ~3 years of first past the post.
    
    How’s it feeling??
    
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    May 11, 2023 8:58am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      No you haven’t. This government is much worse that FPP. Under FPP you had to win electorates, no unelectable list MP carpet-baggers beholden only to the Party.
      
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      May 11, 2023 10:45am
      - Matt Long
        
        That’s one of the main problems with MMP, it centralises power with the party and reduces the power of individuals within local spheres of interest.
        
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        May 11, 2023 11:07am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The MMP tail waggers will never allow FPP. They will be finished and they know it.
    I voted for MMP, liking the idea of proportional representation. MMP is not working like Joe Bloggs thought it would.
    FPP does work, because if the candidates do not do as the voters want, they get trashed at the next election.
    Minor Parties are full of crazy socialists anyway.
    
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    May 11, 2023 9:09am
    - kiwikidsnz
      
      I voted for STV, which I thought would have been a better proportional representation option.
      
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      May 11, 2023 9:15am
      - greybeard
        
        So did I.
        And I think the reason that our version of MMP is not working as people thought it should is because so few parties actually pass the current threshhold to get seats.
        If , say, 8 or 9 parties got over 5% each then the makeup of the government would be very different. There would be a lot of bargaining, compromises etc to form a government.
        
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        May 11, 2023 10:48am
      - All_on_Red
        
        STV would have been better
        We could still change to it.
        
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        May 11, 2023 11:19am
      - Jack5
        
        Re Greybeard at 10.48…
        
        When the Western Allies returned self-government to Western Germany, the German people chose to restore, but amend, the MMP-type system of the 1930s.
        
        One of the amendments was the 5 per cent threshold. The change was to prevent the chaos of tiny parties – the chaos during which Hitler took control of the German parliament.
        
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        May 11, 2023 11:22am
      - Cassandra
        
        STV is not proportional is it? I know it has an element of PR but it leans towards FPP with a run-off.
        
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        May 11, 2023 11:50am
      - thirteenstars
        
        “One of the amendments was the 5 per cent threshold. The change was to prevent the chaos of tiny parties…”
        
        Indeed.
        
        Sean Plunket interviewed Winston Peters this morning and Peters made the comment that he had always supported the 5% threshold for exactly that reason.
        
        What’s telling is that according to some polls NZF is hovering just below that threshold with no certainty they’ll get over it, yet Peters agrees it should be there.
        
        And he’s right.
        
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        May 11, 2023 12:34pm
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      So did I. I was wrong. Bit unfortunate for us omniscient Deity’s to have to admit it… MMP has been an unmitigated disaster for NZ and has directly contributed to the slump in living standards and the sharp rise in virtue signalling regulations.
      
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      May 11, 2023 10:58am
    - Flossie
      
      I really am so over the current system which allows people not elected by anyone to be in parliament, or even government. Such as an unelected list member now sitting as an “independent”. Pray tell what is the point of being next on the list then?
      We will never be rid of entirely unsuitable people who are placed high on a party list while they achieve 5% – or even less if one of their lot wins a seat. The influence of these members seems to far exceed what it ought.
      
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      May 11, 2023 12:39pm
      - greybeard
        
        STV would most of the time ensure that these useless people would never get enough support to become MPs.
        
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        May 11, 2023 5:40pm
  - MCōs
    
    Under FPP it was also a case of the tail wagging the dog, except the tail was a lot bigger. None of them ever had anything like a majority of the popular vote.
    Interestingly if MMP had not come along the only third party that may have representatives would be Te Pāti Māori
    
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    May 11, 2023 9:20am
    - Jack5
      
      Chloe Swarbrick is MP for Auckland Central. Does that negate MCos’s argument about Green representation under an MMP system?
      
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      May 11, 2023 11:28am
      - greybeard
        
        Jack5, I accidentally hit “Report” on your comment above, 11:22am.
        Very sorry.
        
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        May 11, 2023 11:40am
    - Ian Boag
      
      None of them ever had anything like a majority of the popular vote.
      
      Sid Holland in 1951 snap election. A mere 70 years ago.
      
      Aside from that, 40% of the vote was good for 60% of the seats. And of course in 78 and 81 National got a majority of the seats with fewer votes than Labour …
      
      What’s not to like?
      
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      May 11, 2023 11:33am
  - Piniwi
    
    It is also true that NZ decided that real MMP was not right so decided to adopt a warped version that uses an algorithm to determine the number of list seats. Such tampering with number of seats allocated after massaging with an algorithm makes a joke of the principle of one man one vote.
    It should be a very simple equation to allocate list seats based on the actual votes which in most part would eliminate a lot of the problems we see in the electoral system at present while reinstating the value of the party vote.
    
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    May 11, 2023 12:18pm
  - leoj
    
    The country was one helluva lot more stable under FPP.
    
    7% to determine a govt is, in no way, proportional.
    
    Those who voted for such an anathema should have thought it through instead of being hoodwinked by politicians, for Godsake.
    
    All they wanted was an entrenchment of power, based on the party.
    
    Next, they will four year terms so they can put their feet up even more.
    
    I’d like an election every two years. Keep the bastards honest and on their toes.
    
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    May 11, 2023 4:01pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      7% to determine a govt is, in no way, proportional
      
      Winning the election (’78 and ’81) when the winner had fewer votes than the loser is a bit strange too.
      
      40% of the vote = 60% of the seats is a bit odd as well. 20% of the vote and no seats is a bit of a surprise too ….
      
      Good ole FPP. Feel free to tell us that none of the above things matter ….
      
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      May 11, 2023 6:13pm
- Taieri
  
  So, the teachers, the people who are supposed to teach how to think are not capable of thinking…
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:16am
- Master Mariner
  
  Without down playing the tragic event, I believe Basic meteorology would be more beneficial to the teaching profession than Climate change, For example.
  Maybe on “Teacher only days” they can revisit basic Science and do a quick lesson on Meteorology ?
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:19am
  - Ghost
    
    I wonder if it is still taught, we were taught it in third form geography before we were allowed to go on outdoor education trips..
    
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    May 11, 2023 9:25am
  - kowtow
    
    TBH common sense is what was missing on the day.
    Is it any wonder our “education” system is in such disarray and decline.
    
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    May 11, 2023 9:39am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, they cancelled the rock climbing, to go to a flooded cave
    
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    May 11, 2023 10:25am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      clearly the thinking was “its raining, so lets do an indoors activity – I know, caving is under cover….”
      
      Highly trained and skilled teachers…
      
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      May 11, 2023 11:00am
      - Piniwi
        
        But we must ask who was the gung ho Joe that made the decision to go caving when every forecast and warning of severe weather were being rung out so clearly. Every parent in the country will feel for this unfortunate child’s untimely death.
        
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        May 11, 2023 12:24pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        One parent pleaded with them not to go to a cave that has crevices that lead to flooding in that cave
        
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        May 11, 2023 6:28pm
    - Jack5
      
      The flooded cave drama in Thailand, with a party of schoolboys trapped, was given enormous publicity around the world, including in NZ.
      
      You’d think this would have created awareness of the risks of caving, especially during or after heavy rain.
      
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      May 11, 2023 11:35am
      - Ghost
        
        Or the drownings in Mangatepopo River, again ignoring weather reports
        
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        May 11, 2023 11:46am
- rouppe
  
  Gilbert-Smith has also refused to answer questions about the decision-making involved in the trip “out of respect for the whānau”.
  
  Throw some Te Reo in there, mention privacy or respect and it’s just hiding.
  
  Bloody awful
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:52am
  - Scooter
    
    She should be sacked immediately pending criminal charges or do a Meka and sack herself.
    
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    May 11, 2023 11:20am
  - Ghost
    
    From a few articles I have got the impression it is a Maori family
    
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    May 11, 2023 11:21am
    - rouppe
      
      So? Still hiding.
      
      The reason for throwing Te Reo in there is so that any criticism can be labeled racist.
      
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      May 11, 2023 12:13pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The named the boy, he has a full Māori name from first middle snd last names all maori
      
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      May 11, 2023 6:31pm
  - Guy Preston
    
    As long as they are “assisting with enquiries”, they should absolutely be free to STFU and not be tried by media.
    
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    May 11, 2023 11:58am
    - kowtow
      
      Agreed.
      
      Te Media Pardy cynically milk tragedy for all it’s worth for as long as they think they can ( a relatively short period) . They then fly off like the pack of vultures they are to pick at some other tragic event .
      
      They don’t care about the damage they do along the way.
      
      Yes , there is a duty to inform but these ghouls are simply after eyes on their product , or these days “clicks”.
      
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      May 11, 2023 12:53pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Right rouppe history and latter day events have shown us that the natives place little value on a life but always have some sort of song and dance along with a line of gibberish that is all baloney. Tin a cocoa.
    
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    May 11, 2023 12:29pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    There was no decision making, they canned the cliff climbing, snd went under ground with a flick of the switch
    
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    May 11, 2023 6:30pm
- Scooter
  
  No one will have any meaningful punishment, it’s all about forgiveness bullshit. Only thankful thing is that not more died but very seriously could have.
  
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  May 11, 2023 11:10am
- tavita
  
  My father was a teacher. He ran the school tramping club and he took kids on trips most weekends. I guess there was always some risk. We had a change in headmaster and the new head insisted on a whole lot of precautions that were basically designed to cover his arse in the event that anything went wrong. My dad took up fishing instead.
  
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  May 11, 2023 5:07pm
- Ian Boag
  
  Devils advocate stuff …
  
  How many times have these caves been closed due to rain in the last (think of a number) years … ?
  
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  May 11, 2023 7:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Post surgery pain this morning – wok up early. Turn on the idiot box and get Te Karere. There was a subtitle saying “We are unable to display subtitles” or something.
Unable, yet there was one. What were they hiding from us that don’t speak Te Reo?
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May 11, 2023 8:08am
- Blog-aholic
  
  They clearly did not have someone on board competent to translate and type at the same time.
  
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  May 11, 2023 8:11am
- pdm
  
  Steve – perhaps their only translator was off sick.
  
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  May 11, 2023 8:12am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Of course, I never thought of that……
    
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    May 11, 2023 8:27am
  - sirknz
    
    Or waka jumped to another TV show…
    
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    May 11, 2023 8:33am
Tony Stuart

Chris Bishop gave a rousing speech in yesterday’s General Debate which was in stark contrast to some pretty lacklustre efforts from his Labour opponents.

https://vimeo.com/825317297

But it raises an interesting question; who decides the party speaking order, and allocates slots to the respective parties?

I am aware that National, with only 33 MP’s, is at a disadvantage. But here’s how yesterday’s debate went:

Labour
Labour
National
Labour
Greens
Labour

So of the first six speeches, only one went to National. That hardly sets the stage for National MP’s to figure prominently. The front-end loading of government speeches sets the debate up to be horribly one-sided.

Surely the fairest way would be for the first to speeches to go to the government and the main opposition party, with the debate being led on a rotational basis, i.e Labour/National, then next week National/Labour. the proportionality can be adjusted later in the debate.
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May 11, 2023 8:13am
- Gravelroad
  
  @TS-
  I don’t want to be argumentative but…..how many people out here do you seriously believe even listen or watch what goes on in parliament these days?
  And most people realise that the public reporting of speeches is entirely at the discretion of the media – which is paid for by the Labour Party.
  Parliament is just a pool of spoilt people watching each other.
  
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  May 11, 2023 8:31am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Not as many as should be watching it. Labour relies on the indifference of NZ’s voters
    
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    May 11, 2023 8:48am
    - Paulus
      
      Will Labour Voters even turn ou at the Election – possibly not !
      
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      May 11, 2023 1:50pm
  - Che Guava
    
    If “the centre” are supposedly the people parties should court (according to Kiwiblog logic), then it’s fair to speculate that none of them watch PQT, so who cares what happens in the debating chamber? The whole thing is theatre in many ways, but set pieces like QT are especially.
    
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    May 11, 2023 11:19am
- All_on_Red
  
  How many times did he say “get boosted”?
  
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  May 11, 2023 8:32am
  - Lee C
    
    Once was too many times, IMO.
    
    At least he’s not still taking cash from Big Tobacco.
    
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    May 11, 2023 8:58am
    - Matt Long
      
      At least we hope he’s not still taking money from big tobacco.
      
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      May 11, 2023 9:22am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        What, he worked for that company, so did Todd Barclay, why now he has been away from that company for 20 years would he still be taking their money? that is the sort of dirt catching Labour out
        
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        May 11, 2023 10:31am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      What about big pharma?
      
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      May 11, 2023 1:38pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Too simple. In R. T. Rower we do it the most difficult way possible, to get a desired outcome.
  
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  May 11, 2023 8:32am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  I am surprised to see that. Speaking slots are proportional. I would have thought not just in number, but also in order. I would expect National to have 3 speaking slots out of 12 and for every second debate would have 4 of the 12 speaking slots. Yesterday was almost certainly a 3 debate. In this particular debate, it must have been 1 in the first 6 and 2 in the next 6. I suspect that in this debate National’s next slot was 7.
  However, the House is supposed to give some advantages to the Opposition given the role of the House in holding government to account. Therefore National should always have 2 of its 3 in the first six.
  
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  May 11, 2023 8:47am
- leoj
  
  The same Bishop who wanted to go door-to-door with the vaccine? That Bishop?
  
  He is a f**king disgrace.
  
  So much for personal choice. That’s one of many reason why I refuse to vote for traitors like him and his party.
  
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  May 11, 2023 4:05pm
Maggie Pie

REMINDER TO THE FAM….

From today it is now outlawed to make any CASH transactions of $10k or more.

The Criminal-Activity-Intervention-Legislation-Act comes into force.
It was rushed thru parliament last month.

A measly ten-grand is now the threshold set in law and covers certain products such as….jewelry & watches, gold, silver or other precious metals, diamonds, sapphires or other precious stones, motor vehicles, motorcycles, and all yachts and boats.

Hmmm….
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May 11, 2023 8:15am
- Keith White
  
  MP, it appears that private transactions between approved individuals are not afflicted by this law. Just as well, how else would the meth gangs get Govt funding?
  
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  May 11, 2023 8:19am
- sirknz
  
  No reason to fear a central bank digital currency where you won’t have these limitations…
  
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  May 11, 2023 8:35am
- k1w1
  
  Stage 1 of Wealth Tax to catch avoidance of same by spending up large in cash. Asset purchases obviously easier to track when they have the trail. The excuse “went to Vegas and put it all on red” won’t wash now.
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:17am
  - I remember when
    
    kiwi:
    Once you win on the first gamble does the law prevent repeat transactions?
    Also why would you put it all on red, why not on your ‘lucky’ number?
    
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    May 11, 2023 1:13pm
- Master Mariner
  
  And so begins NZ’s next new social experiment under the “guise” of reducing criminal activity.
  
  Ask yourself, What is the desired outcome ?
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:25am
- kowtow
  
  here’s a good article on this from interest.co
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/121092/gary-hughes-puts-spotlight-novel-kiwi-experiment-outlawing-large-cash
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:45am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Maggie just do multiple transactions of $9999.
  
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  May 11, 2023 10:21am
  - Deane Jessep
    
    “… if the total value of the transaction is equal to or above $10,000. Or if a series of related transactions reaches that threshold value.”
    
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    May 11, 2023 11:24am
- rouppe
  
  Only applies to those “in trade”.
  
  So me buying a car from a bloke in Eketahuna isn’t captured.
  
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  May 11, 2023 10:52am
  - Deane Jessep
    
    It applies to Gold, Silver, and Platinum too. I wonder over what time period transactions adding up to $10k get captured.
    
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    May 11, 2023 11:27am
  - Paulus
    
    Few years ago I sold my Yacht to a guy and he paid me $50,000 in cash and the bank even then got shirty.
    So next time (?) I will keep it under my bed !
    Then I will dribble it through.
    
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    May 11, 2023 1:53pm
    - rouppe
      
      Guy I know bought a boat last year. He lives in Wellington, boat was in Gisborne. He went up to look, decided to buy it.
      
      Went to the bank, need to pay this guy $38,000 how can I do it? Funds transfer take till Monday, no good. No such thing as a bank cheque, no good. Ultimately the only available option was to take stacks of notes out of the bank to give to the seller.
      
      Should be solved now by 7-day-a-week payments support but…
      
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      May 11, 2023 2:34pm
- cmm
  
  PS It is also illegal to rob a dairy.
  
  That stopped them!
  
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  May 11, 2023 12:30pm
- Piniwi
  
  A black marketeers dream come true.
  
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  May 11, 2023 12:37pm
Grunter

It is easy to dismiss ‘The Left’ as plainly stupid or see their acts as random and thoughtless. Labour, Greens and Māori Party have all become more and more radicalised over the past 6-10 years. Same thing has happened across the woke western world. The UN, the EU, IMF, WEF, The World Bank, the Democrats in the US…… etc etc. They are all radical socialists and moving further left each month. Then add in the same rapid change to universities, MSM, schools, all public services and major multinational businesses. But the most alarming is how the big money guys (Blackrock etc) are also swinging dramatically woke and leftist.
Why? Do we just dismiss it as nutty leftists being stupid?
Just remember, Marx himself always stated that to create the socialist utopia he desired, first we need to destroy the traditional civilisation. Kill off capitalism.
Beware (or at least be aware) of what is happening before our eyes. It is not a bunch of random acts.
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May 11, 2023 8:17am
- Taieri
  
  Marx himself always stated that to create the socialist utopia he desired
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  A socialist utopia, which according to Marx, was supposed to liberate and empower Working Class.
  
  It is unclear, whom the new utopia, according to the UN, WEF and the rest of that mob, is supposed to liberate and empower. Except of themselves of course…
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:22am
- Matt Long
  
  Speaking of destroying the basic foundations of a nation, the highest emblem on the crown of Trudeau’s coat of arms is a…
  Snowflake ❄️❄️❄️❄️🤡🤡🤡🤡
  https://www.foxnews.com/media/critics-slam-canadas-new-national-crown-replaced-christian-imagery-snowflake-trudeau-crown
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:28am
- Stellaboxer
  
  Check this out Grunter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6rk1mYiOAw
  
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  May 11, 2023 10:25am
- Che Guava
  
  This analysis is completely wrong. It is capitalism that is driving progressive-leftism for its own benefit, because the traditional barriers that the progressive-left seek to demolish (the family, the nation, Christianity, biological categories etc.) are all barriers to profit.
  
  The reason ordinary Joes defend capitalism so staunchly (and by that, I mean not the free market as such, but the globalisation, financialisation and debt-creation that characterises the status quo) is because the media (that capitalists own) tells them capitalism is a priori the only viable system.
  
  Capitalism is the ruling ideology, so if any of these causes and movements were any threat to capitalists, they would be immediately squashed using the state apparatus that is controlled by Big Capital. The logic of capitalism requires the breakdown of anything that stands in the way of increased returns.
  
  “The UN, the EU, IMF, WEF, The World Bank, the Democrats in the US…” – all of these entities are either created by or controlled by billionaire oligarch capitalists. To seriously think that “socialism” is a threat is to be still living in the mid-20th century, or even the late 19th.
  
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  May 11, 2023 11:30am
  - Grunter
    
    Nah – I don’t buy that argument at all Che Guava. (Maybe we are tripping over the terms ‘capitalists’ and ‘free market’??)
    
    “The logic of capitalism requires the breakdown of anything that stands in the way of increased returns.”
    
    If that was the case then why the ‘Big Govt’ (high tax, high spend, massive social welfare, …..)?? The rapid drift towards Big Govt over the past 50-60 years has now wrecked truly free markets – all because of a desire for radical socialism that has failed time and again.
    
    Right now NZ is a socialist society. No way is ‘free market’ the status quo. We are a million miles away from free market status and the chaos that is coming, caused by socialist Big Govt and their corrupt cronies, is potentially going to be a shocker.
    
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    May 11, 2023 2:55pm
- Paulus
  
  As Ardern tried, we are well under way to integrating the Marxist theory – and she has done a bunk and ru away to the USA.
  Robertson is completing this phase in next week’s budget.
  
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  May 11, 2023 1:58pm
- miltonF
  
  I’ve said it before. Socialism is being used as a Trojan horse. All the woke muppets are nothing more than useful idiots.
  
  Do they really think the richest elite in the world want capitalism? Hell no. That would mean they’d have to compete for the lowest possible profit.
  
  It’s much better to have the govt control the economy (socialism). And then the elite control the govt. This way, your monopoly receives no competition. Next, hollow out the middle class, creating more profit for the top, while creating a huge dependant underclass that will go along with whatever the govt (that you control) asks.
  
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  May 11, 2023 4:06pm
All_on_Red

Oh dear, looks like major problems for Crooked Joe
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/bidens-used-web-of-shell-companies-to-conceal-foreign-cash-bank-records-obtained-by-house-gop-reveal/
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/05/inside-the-biden-family-business-2.php
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2023/05/10/jonathan-turley-breaks-down-revelations-about-the-biden-family-during-the-house-oversight-presser/
$10 million to the Family!
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May 11, 2023 8:18am
- Lee C
  
  Ah, but let’s focus on what is truly important AoR:
  
  A mythical encounter which allegedly took place at an undetermined time, thirty years ago in which the plaintiff has been unable to produce any proof, date, time, of said event, and has admitted to be confused as to whether the ‘rape’ was undertaken digitally or with an actual penis, uncovered when there is a danger of the accused gaining political traction to run as President, and stunningly timed to coincide with a book launch by the plaintiff (who incidentally has claimed ‘Rape is Sexy’),
  
  Shall we?
  
  I guess (alleged) Rape is ‘sexy’ for some after all.
  
  Forget how this looks if you have been a victim of rape. The Trump haters really don’t give a f*k about you, as long as they get to fulfill their sadistic agendas.
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:13am
- RoboRob
  
  Watch for an announcement of an indictment of Hunter Biden. This will drop very quickly should this stuff start to gain traction. It will be limited to his gun and personal tax issues. It will ignore his business activities for foreign entities and family connections (i.e. the big stuff). It will take the heat of ‘the big guy’. Post election Hunter can be pardoned.
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:13am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Pretty sure he has already been charged over his taxes
    
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    May 11, 2023 10:33am
- Brian McDonald
  
  Yawn, concentrate of your broken idol.
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:36am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Amusing how some people see Trump as some kind of terrible corrupt a hole where as their preferred politicians are as pure as the driven snow. The only reason Trump appears so bad is because the media in general were directed to portray him as such and the only reason the doddering old has been who currently occupies the puppeteers stage doesn’t is because they have been directed not to.
    
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    May 11, 2023 10:47am
    - Paulus
      
      Trump is a total disgrace, as he is the current and ex President, and current Leader of the non left wing – so I like millions hate him, along with the media.
      Biden and his son, Obama and Clinton are all Angels of course, we are told continually.
      
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      May 11, 2023 2:02pm
sirknz

Good lord. How much do people get paid to write this stuff about Biden?

https://archive.fo/7xDoh [$tuff]

I hope that I’m not fit and active like him when I am 80…
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May 11, 2023 8:20am
Chuck Bird

I hear about 100 wealthy Kiwis wrote an open letter offering to pay more tax. I have not been able to find it. If anyone has been able to find would you please post a link?
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May 11, 2023 8:22am
- Maggie Pie
  
  As my partner said….morons exist at all levels of society.
  
  https://twitter.com/1NewsNZ/status/1656349068371558405
  
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  May 11, 2023 8:28am
  - Close Hen Counters
    
    The majority of replies are spot on – virtual signalling idiots lol!!!!
    
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    May 11, 2023 8:44am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      YIP…and no surprise to see ‘Les Mills’ leading the pack 😀
      
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      May 11, 2023 9:26am
      - Matt Long
        
        Perhaps the government could introduce a moron tax for people like this of double what they feel willing to pay.
        
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        May 11, 2023 9:30am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Thanks Maggie
    
    I have seen that but was hoping to see the actual letter with all the signatures.
    
    I have emailed Malcolm for a link.
    
    It appears that there are quite a few people with more money than brains.
    
    Cheers
    Chuck
    
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    May 11, 2023 8:54am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      there is no prohibition on making voluntary contributions to IRD. Perhaps these “luminaries” could just do it ™ and leave the rest of us alone?
      
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      May 11, 2023 10:16am
      - Ehlana
        
        Apparently under NZ laws if you overpay your tax, IRD automatically refund it.
        
        There’s always this though:
        The Charities Register is a database of charities registered under the Charities Act 2005. The Register helps the public, funders and other users to make better informed decisions about charities they may wish to support financially, volunteer for, or whose services they may wish to use.
        https://www.charities.govt.nz/charities-in-new-zealand/the-charities-register/about-the-charities-register/
        
        I guess private charity doesn’t have the virtue signaling factor.
        
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        May 11, 2023 11:52am
  - Brian McDonald
    
    [Mod – personal abuse deleted]
    
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    May 11, 2023 9:28am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Holy shit! Hope it wasn’t me Brian had in his sights?
      
      Everyone else better duck!! 😀
      
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      May 11, 2023 10:10am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Why don’t these “wealthy” people just pay more to the government then? They’re so bloody boring in their virtue signalling. Put up or shut up!!
    
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    May 11, 2023 10:08am
  - kowtow
    
    Again from interest.co a bit of background and some names.
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/121131/group-wealthy-people-present-open-letter-government-asking-be-forced-pay-more
    
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    May 11, 2023 10:10am
    - rouppe
      
      “asking to be forced to pay more” is so selfish, because it would capture everyone else who hasn’t asked to be forced to pay more.
      
      If you want to, just pay more!
      
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      May 11, 2023 11:02am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Yeah I think it’s a great idea to give more $ to this government because they are so careful with money and target the most essential things with their spending. I couldn’t possibly give my money to worthy and deserving causes because I’m a moron and need the Labour Party to do it for me.
    
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    May 11, 2023 10:51am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Laughably, Devoy and Malcolm in particular, plus Campbell (I’ve been told he’s about $12m) will have pocket change as wealth. Chumps.
    
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    May 11, 2023 1:21pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      They said today Campbell worth 15 mill, I notice David bloody Cunliffe is poking his nose in as well, how has he become one of the rich pricks
      
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      May 11, 2023 6:47pm
- Tricati
  
  If they want to share their wealth, why don’t they pay their employees more or make significant ‘on-going’ contributions to the like of the Salvation Army or local schools. Looks like attention seeking crap to me.
  
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  May 11, 2023 8:40am
  - RoboRob
    
    Becuse they personally dont want to pay more, they just want others too. it’s the same world wide, these people beg for the wealthy to pay more and then proceed to use an army of accountants and lawyers to minimise their tax bill.
    
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    May 11, 2023 9:09am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    No Tricati, they should just make voluntary payments to the IRD. Anyone can do it at any time. But they won’t. But bet a dollar to a knob of goat shit, that not one of this crowd has. They are virtue signalling twats who want people to either know, or believe that they have some tin.
    
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    May 11, 2023 1:24pm
- Master Mariner
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/121131/group-wealthy-people-present-open-letter-government-asking-be-forced-pay-more
  
  Yep listened to AM show and had a piece on it.
  
  Self intitled socialists springs to mind.
  
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  May 11, 2023 8:55am
  - RoboRob
    
    I am assuming the woman in the interview had inherited and never known a world where cash was an issue. The guy, who was a weirdo, clamed to have grown up poor.
    
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    May 11, 2023 9:15am
  - Nickc2
    
    Blue Rinse Chardonnay slurpers.
    There’s nothing stopping any of them from paying more tax than required.
    IMO, it’s the notoriety they’re seeking.
    
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    May 11, 2023 9:36am
- rjay
  
  I hope they have offered to pay back taxes on the amounts which allowed them to gather their wealth.
  
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  May 11, 2023 8:57am
- RoboRob
  
  Saw two of them on the AM show this morning. What a bunch of entitled dick heads. Essentially their argument was
  
  1. Some countries have higher PAYE tax rates then us so we need to raise ours to at least match those. Lets ignore that other taxes (such as GST) might be lower in said countries.
  
  2. Things in NZ are broken and the government needs more money to fix them
  
  3. Factoring in the massive increase in government spending and lack of outcomes in the last 6yrs, they trust the government to achieve the outcomes they want with more money.
  
  4. They are unwilling to voluntarily give more of there own money, because that wouldn’t be ‘fair’. Instead it would be ‘fair’ to force others to pay more because of their delusional beliefs.
  
  Pretty much the same line being touted by out of touch millionaires / billionaires around the world. It’s amazing how detached from reality the ultra rich become when money is never an issue.
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:08am
  - Master Mariner
    
    I’m in Kerry Packers camp when the Aussies where trying to do him for tax evasion .
    ” Until you decide to spend tax wisely then Ill continue to avoid paying more tax”. ( Words to that effect.
    With that in mind, Who the hell wants to pay this Government more Tax to squander.
    Yep, Totally 2 “self absorbed” interviewees.
    
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    May 11, 2023 10:08am
    - Colville
      
      The word “avoid” should never used even in the same sentence as the word “tax” … and I am sure Kerry Packer would have used the word “minimise” …
      
      avoiding tax is illegal… minimising tax is a moral duty!
      
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      May 11, 2023 10:53am
      - Phronesis
        
        Tax avoidance is legal, tax evasion is not.
        
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        May 11, 2023 10:59am
      - Matt Long
        
        It’s semantics but both Avoidance and Evasion will get you a please explain, penalties and possibly a conviction.
        
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        May 11, 2023 11:14am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Avoid is fine, evade is not.
        
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        May 11, 2023 1:25pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Packer did say minimise
        
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        May 11, 2023 2:26pm
    - mogg
      
      Kerry Packer voluntarily paid 50% of the money needed to equip all NSW ambulances with defibrillators, (Packer Whackers). His biog is a very interesting and entertaining read. He had a penchant for McDonalds hamburgers, and drinking and driving.
      
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      May 11, 2023 11:55am
  - Piniwi
    
    It could also be a prank initiated by Labour to precondition voters for a rash of increased taxes after the election if they, heaven forbid win the election. Every question fielded by the fiddling trio have only addressed “this term” and nothing beyond. Lest forget they held back on He PooPoo before the last election only to make their major platform and take the first steps to divide NZ as is the socialist doctrine.
    
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    May 11, 2023 12:49pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Well Cunliffe is one of the rich pricks
      
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      May 11, 2023 6:49pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Yep Rob, they listened to some bog useless academic who provided statistics that Netherlands and Germany collect more tax per GDP (or something) than NZ. That’s because they tax what is the NZ median wage at 40%+. Try it, see how that goes.
    
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    May 11, 2023 1:27pm
- k1w1
  
  I wish someone would tell these idiots there’s nothing stopping them sending as much as they like to IRD on top of their tax bill. Rather than blow-arse about it.
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:10am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Nothing stopping anyone from paying more tax, IRD will happily accept cheques, and are legislated to do so.
  
  So, frankly, can they please shut up, stop virtue signaling and just pay up already?
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:21am
  - kowtow
    
    Talking of cashless society .
    
    The IRD and ACC were the first major institutions in NZ to stop accepting cheques and the first bank to drop them was Kiwibank .
    
    All state controlled.
    
    Much of the drive for a cashless society has been initiated under Labour.
    
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    May 11, 2023 9:52am
    - Andy from Auckland
      
      I actually think it’s a good thing, less overhead.
      
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      May 11, 2023 10:14am
      - kowtow
        
        Fair enough Andy .
        
        Like Winston Smith, you too can learn to love Big Brother.
        
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        May 11, 2023 10:42am
      - leoj
        
        ….and more government control.
        
        No thanks.
        
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        May 11, 2023 4:10pm
- Taieri
  
  I hear about 100 wealthy Kiwis wrote an open letter offering to pay more tax.
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  Did Markus Dunajtschik also sign it?
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:32am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    They can. The IRD will happily take their money.
    
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    May 11, 2023 1:07pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  If people want to pay more tax they can simply do so. The IRD will accept extra payments made voluntarily. You do not have to write to the IRD requesting to pay more tax, you can simply (if you want) just pay more.
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:41am
- lastmanstanding
  
  There is nothing stopping them paying more tax. Tax rates are a minimum. You can make voluntary payments any time you wish. I say this lot are a bunch of virtue signallers.
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:57am
- cmm
  
  Offering to? Why not just do it?
  
  I bet if they were called on to do so they’d say something about the dog ate their chequebook.
  
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  May 11, 2023 12:33pm
- Paulus
  
  Whilst not being wealthy nevertheless, I would consider paying more taxes if I could be sure it would be spent prudently.
  Our real problem is that too many people do not pay any tax at all and are nett beneficiaries.
  We must get more tax realistically but so by increasing productivity,
  We are told that New Zealander work many hours but what do they do in those hours.
  For many years I worked out unconscionable hours in call world wide 24/7 and often did excessive hours – but I was the boss !
  
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  May 11, 2023 2:08pm
cas

I have been watching the concert for George Harrison over the last couple of wet days and particularly enjoyed the two Python skits.

I suppose the Lumberjack song would be Ok in today’s woke society but I’m not sure that Sit on my Face and Tell me that you Love me would be embraced by the current humourless generation.
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May 11, 2023 8:35am
- MCōs
  
  Depends whether they’re still funny.
  Some of that Python stuff is awfully dated.
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:29am
  - Random T Person
    
    My 10 year old boy has loved everything Montypython since he was 7. His favourite is Life of Brian, closely followed by the Holy Grail.
    He also loves the Pink Panther movies with Peter Sellers.
    
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    May 11, 2023 10:02am
    - MCōs
      
      The movies are great, but some of the TV skits, which were hilarious back in the sixties are not so much so fifty years later.
      
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      May 11, 2023 10:34am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Some of their Skits were prescient
        “I want to be a woman”
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c
        
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        May 11, 2023 11:35am
      - Che Guava
        
        “Harry and Paul – Monty Python”
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UEjBqr8dyU
        
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        May 11, 2023 11:53am
      - Jack5
        
        This Monty Python skit on the Judea People’s Front has some relevance to current politics in NZ, especially local bullshit about “colonisation”.
        
        https://youtu.be/Qc7HmhrgTuQ
        
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        May 11, 2023 3:08pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Python Olympics.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgSzGIkFq2A
    
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    May 11, 2023 6:00pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  Can you give me the link. Would like to see that. The lumberjack song wouldnt be allowed today. The humourless arseholes would ban it.
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:59am
  - cas
    
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=monty+python+concert+for+george&t=braveed&ia=web
    
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    May 11, 2023 10:10am
- ClanMcleod
  
  cas – here’s the Pythons doing the “military fairy” skit. Imagine this these days!
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qxs3gmewuhI
  
  Here’s a US military recruitment ad from last year, maybe Python were onto something???
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIYGFSONKbk
  
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  May 11, 2023 6:04pm
Tony Stuart

National’s Mental Health and Suicide Prevention spokesman is Matt Doocey. It’s highly likely he will be New Zealand’s first Mental Health Minister in October, which I believe is a fantastic move. Doocey spoke to Mike Hosking on ZB this morning about ANOTHER year where a huge amount of Mental Health funding has gone unspent:

The Government is under-fire from the opposition with claims our must vulnerable New Zealanders have been failed.

Official figures show just $900,000 of the $100 million put aside in last year’s Budget for mental healthcare over four years has been spent.

But Te Whatu Ora says considerable development progress has been made, and the data doesn’t count funding committed in agreements.

National’s Mental Health spokesperson, Matt Doocey told Mike Hosking the Government has failed its promise to transform the mental health system.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/matt-doocey-nationals-mental-health-spokesperson-says-the-govt-has-failed-its-promise-to-transform-mental-health-system/

You can listen to the interview with Doocey above. But this is not the first time a Mental Health budget has gone unspent. Remember to $1.9 billion Labour promised a few years ago that simply vanished into the ether?

New Zealand has a Mental Health crisis. Cyclone Gabrielle has made that worse, especially the government’s painfully slow response to flooding victims. Napier mayor Kirsten Wise spoke at the weekend about suicides she was aware of, with people having reached the end of their tether. Yet even when money is allocated to services, the Labour government can’t/won’t spend it!

As one who has suffered from mental health issues in the past, this angers and appalls me. I cannot wait until National becomes the government in October, and Matt Doocey, himself both a survivor of the Mental Health service and a professional in the field becomes the Minister and actually starts getting shit done!
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May 11, 2023 8:35am
- nathie
  
  Official figures show just $900,000 of the $100 million put aside in last year’s Budget for mental healthcare over four years has been spent.
  
  Well what a coincidence, Grant Robertson announces this morning that magically he “has found $4b” to spend on other initiatives.
  
  No wonder Labour is good at making spending announcements! It’s almost like they make the announcements, then quietly claw back the unspent (hundreds of) millions (leaving the recipients, Opposition & MSM puzzled as to where the money has gone), then sometime later Labour make new grand spending announcements to much fanfare!
  
  Are Labour con-artists or crooks? A MSM question for Grant Robertson to answer perhaps?
  
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  May 11, 2023 8:45am
  - Nickc2
    
    Here’s a challenge for you Robbo.
    Use that $4Bn to pay down debt.
    You can’t can you? The money doesn’t exist eh?
    It’s just a paper exercise shuffling unspent printed money to other entities.
    
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    May 11, 2023 9:45am
    - Tricati
      
      Yep – same paper money Parker wants to tax on those rich pricks.
      Someone needs to ask Robertson, how can it be savings on borrowed money – Its just debt extending
      
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      May 11, 2023 10:46am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Grant Robertson announces this morning that magically he “has found $4b”
    
    And if I can be guaranteed to find $200 down the back of the chesterfield each month, then everything will be just hunky-dory.
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2023/05/new-zealand-food-prices-surge-12-5-percent-statistics-nz-says.html
    
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    May 11, 2023 12:24pm
  - cmm
    
    If there are wads of $4bn lying around to be found then Robbo’s clearly being a bit sloppy with the dosh.
    
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    May 11, 2023 12:35pm
  - Piniwi
    
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    May 11, 2023 1:00pm
- Ruawai
  
  They then take this unspent amount and recycle it into another ministry and magic we have more money in the money go round. Re-prioritisation (newspeak).
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:03am
- Simon
  
  “and actually starts getting shit done!”
  
  Dont think it will happen. Not because Doocey isnt capable or experienced. Govt is a function of the wider economy. Without a proper functioning economy which the govt draws from then you cant have a properly functioning govt. This is what National will find out if they are govt.
  
  What does a properly functioning economy give govt aside from revenue. Systems & processes that work with personal with training & knowledge on how to get things done. Allocation of resources in very complex systems in a timely manner in response to price signals in a market. Competition which drives change and improvement. Etc etc.
  
  Without a proper economy then govt is nothing. Nothing from Luxon or Willis suggests they know anything about how a real economy works. Then their govt will not work.
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:05am
  - kowtow
    
    Not to mention how society has changed through massive drug use , so called social media, aping the latest Hollyweird trends etc
    
    Mental health problems are only going to get a lot worse.
    
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    May 11, 2023 9:56am
- Sacha
  
  I’m quite convinced that the Government makes announcements about spending fairy money on non-existing projects.
  And by re-spending it, they divert attention from the fact that the first plan hasn’t eventuated, but we can look forward to the next announcement while the government can also remind us of past plans which are still in development. And so it goes –
  Well, something like that. I think.
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:13am
- Taieri
  
  New Zealand has a Mental Health crisis.
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  Why?
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:24am
  - Nickc2
    
    Look no further than the front bench of the Govt.
    
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    May 11, 2023 9:50am
  - mandk
    
    Because kids lack ideals that give them drive, and they are encouraged to be sad.
    
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    May 11, 2023 9:53am
  - Paulus
    
    Why do we cannot get an analysis of the breakdown of Mental Patients by age groupings, sexuality (roughly of course) and ethnicity.
    Might a better idea where the money is or is not being spent.
    
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    May 11, 2023 2:13pm
- Random T Person
  
  Sorry to say Tony (and I know you have been supportive of myself and others) but everyone has issues with mental health. And in my experience, the only person who can help, is oneself. Spending all this money has, over the years, apparently achieved nothing.
  Life’s tough, always been that way.
  
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  May 11, 2023 10:04am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Too know the good you must first know the Bad,
    
    A bit like poverty, What is Mental Health ? How do you diagnose it ?,
    
    Without taking away from some “obvious” cases, it is “bandied” around too much.
    
    Bit like the African word “Uhuru” , Means everything and anything ?
    
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    May 11, 2023 10:47am
  - Matt Long
    
    Everyone has issues with mental health, some people need medication, some just effective therapy, others sleep, exercise, diet.
    For some even reading the right book will help, but the level of thinking that gets you into a situation will not get you out of it.
    
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    May 11, 2023 11:21am
    - mogg
      
      You are dead right about book reading, nobody would want to be left alone with the thoughts which can go around in my head, if I feel myself being dragged down I just read a few chapters, it solves my problem every time. Right now I am reading Dalrymple’s ‘history of the east India co’. They ran most of India, Pakistan and Afghanistan from a two story house in the City of London. They had 13 employees, now we need more people that that to fix a hole in the road.
      
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      May 11, 2023 12:27pm
  - cmm
    
    “And in my experience, the only person who can help, is oneself.”
    
    It very much depends on what make and model of mental health issues you have.
    
    For some (eg. depression) you know you have depression (or something wrong) because you feel shit.
    
    For some (like my now dead mother) it was quite another matter. People with schizophrenia, bipolar disorder etc often lack insight into their condition. They think they are fine and everyone around them is mad.
    
    Telling people life is tough and take a cement pill is not constructive.
    
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    May 11, 2023 12:42pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The whole Health System is a mess. There will be many needing all sorts of surgeries that will get a Mental Health problem. With no way out they will just break down. That is really quite unfair when it does not need to be.
  Being mentally strong, I am one of the lucky. For some it is a huge issue, even leading to suicide. Sorry to use that word, but it is a real thing.
  
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  May 11, 2023 10:35am
  - Paulus
    
    But under the new Double Health system it is now allright and has been sorted, we are continually told.
    
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    May 11, 2023 2:15pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes, Hosking had two people from different sectors, Doocey who is a mental health advocate before parliament, and another woman from early childhood, both stated money over the last 5 years has never materialised, Doocey went on to say that there is no sign of where a cent of the money has gone, and no record of the remaining money.
  
  Yet Robertson is scoffing at finding 4 billion reprioritised money.
  
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  May 11, 2023 10:37am
Ruahine

Headline in The Herald this morning saying that the Minister of Finance is going to make an announcement on how much money he has saved.
I would like the sod to make an announcement on how much of our money he has wasted. P.S. Herald headline now changed.
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May 11, 2023 8:37am
- RoboRob
  
  As Mike Hoskings attempted to say this morning. he hasn’t found / saved an extra $4b he has litterally still borrowed the money, he just isn’t spending it on what he borrowed it for any more.
  
  Sounds like most is coming from cancelled or delayed Labour projects such as not merging RNZ / TVNZ and changes to 3 waters.
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:18am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yep, so he is starting to add up some of Nats so called wasted billions, so Nats are correct, tax indexation is possible, Robertson stated this was no time for tax cuts, but again proved wrong.
    
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    May 11, 2023 10:41am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    HOSKING ffs.
    
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    May 11, 2023 10:53am
  - Anan Carpentie
    
    “Hoskings” I give up 🙂
    
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    May 11, 2023 12:06pm
  - Paulus
    
    Shut Up, it is Creative Accounting from Robertson, as he learned from his Father.
    You take from Peter to pay Paul, and call both sides a success.
    
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    May 11, 2023 2:17pm
- mandk
  
  Did the Herald point out that it isn’t money saved, rather it is money Labour has taken from taxpayers without putting it to good use?
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:35am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Not taken from tax payers, borrowed at an ever more expensive cost
    
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    May 11, 2023 6:54pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  If $100M was going to be wasted on something but only $80M was wasted, that is a saving of $20M.
  Labour Logic.
  
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  May 11, 2023 10:38am
Warren

Grant Robertson delivers $4 billion ‘reprioritisation and outlines spending intentions’ of ‘no frills budget.
So is this just another of Grant Robertson attempts to justify money that has been siphoned out of the Covid-19 fund for a rainy day now going to be used to bribe the public whose Children Grandchildren, and Great Grandchildren who will be part of future generations who will be saddled with this debt, to suit Labours blatant misuse of taxpayers money.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132009301/watch-grant-robertson-delivers-surprise-4-billion-reprioritisation-and-outlines-spending-intentions-of-no-frills-budget
More lies and deciet from a corrupt Government well out of its depth.
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May 11, 2023 8:48am
- Matt Long
  
  No frills budget because he has to make all the election promises look like new spending. That way casual voters will say isn’t Labour just so generous.
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:34am
- kowtow
  
  Along with “bread and butter issues” ( Hipkins ) now we’re being served “no frills budget” ( Robbo) .
  
  This is just another regime exercise together with their bought and paid for PR dept , Te Media Pardy , to present simplisitic notions to the idiot voter that they are a responsible and caring govt.
  
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  May 11, 2023 10:00am
  - nova
    
    No frills budget? I could have sworn that Grant said it was a “No Thrills budget” in question time the other day!!
    
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    May 11, 2023 3:25pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He said much of the money was left over from the covid fund, funny that, because covid money was not on the books last time
  
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  May 11, 2023 6:55pm
Bridgenag

More Crickets on the Menu, While “Vat Meat” Tanks
Ag news you can use

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/more-crickets-on-the-menu-while-vat?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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May 11, 2023 8:54am
- Taieri
  
  Environmental Impact of Cultured Meat: A Cradle-to-gate Lifecycle Assessment:
  
  https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.04.21.537778v1
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:28am
slightlyrighty

The next few polls will be interesting. Luxon’s announcement with regard to the Maori Party has effectively negated the potential for them to be kingmaker following the next election, and has put the relationship of Labour’s Maori Caucus with Maoridom, Labour and Te Pati Maori in clear focus.

The timing of the Luxon’s statement was perfect, coming straight after Waititi and Ngarewa-Packer’s brain fart in the House on Tuesday.

I would think that a lot of Middle NZ nodded in agreement.

The Election Campaign is certainly now under way.
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May 11, 2023 8:55am
- PeeJay
  
  Any idea when the next batch of polls are due?
  
  Other than the recent Roy Morgan poll, which is never usually picked up in the MSM, it’s been pretty quiet on the opinion poll front.
  
  Feel’s like it’s been a while since we had the main polls.
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:44am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    TPU poll from Curia released yesterday showing Nats and ACT governing, the one news polls were the first monday in the month, but Aprils poll was never released, the poll was done because i heard from someone who was polled for it, i note also no poll the start of May, clearly they know something they don’t want voters to know.
    
    Newshub usually only does a poll once ever three months, but has not released one this year, looks like Nats Act will be sweeping in, the look on there faces says it all, [Mod – deleted]
    
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    December 11, 2022 11:02am
    - PeeJay
      
      That’s what I’m wondering G.
      
      I’m not a fan of the TV1 or Newshub polls, but as most folks get their ‘news’ from those stations, the polls they report on tend to get traction outside the beltway.
      
      The fact there hasn’t been a poll on either station for a while now does make me think that the results are not what the MSM want. One can only hope I suppose!
      
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      May 11, 2023 11:32am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        No one news polls since early March
        
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        May 11, 2023 6:57pm
  - Ghost
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/national-and-act-could-govern-in-latest-political-poll-labour-down-but-hipkins-more-popular-than-luxon/3KIDNKY7ABGPRBPFC2B5AJACWM/
    
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    May 11, 2023 9:47am
    - PeeJay
      
      Thanks Ghost.
      
      Interesting but wonder when the major MSM poll’s are due – like the Collar 1 News poll?
      
      While Taxpayers Union / Curia and RM polls are useful, I tend to find they don’t really get the coverage in the MSM that polls like the Colmar 1 News poll gets.
      
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      May 11, 2023 10:13am
      - kowtow
        
        Yes it’s amazing how many people still bother with tv 1 “news”.
        
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        May 11, 2023 10:39am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Pretty sure one news use Labours internal pollsters now, Colmar Brunton appears to be history, so if internals are bad, then they will not want the media pardy to look bad pollwise
        
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        May 11, 2023 11:04am
      - Piniwi
        
        And a crap way of showing their poll results. Just give us the numbers and leave the coloured graphs for play school.
        
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        May 11, 2023 1:07pm
  - Nickc2
    
    There’s no need for polls.
    Labour has finally realised they’re out at the next election hence they’re trashing the joint on their way out.
    The Maori Party and associated theatrics by the Speaker of the House and Meka Whaitiri only served to secure the lid firmly on this Govt’s Coffin.
    May we never suffer another bunch of incompetent lying bastards as this Govt!
    
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    May 11, 2023 10:06am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Trashing the joint on their way out – as they have done 5 times before.
      Spiteful and just plain nasty.
      
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      May 11, 2023 10:47am
      - Nickc2
        
        Yep, the Black Hole only gets bigger.
        
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        May 11, 2023 11:41am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Glad to see people realising it was well timed, the media was deep on with the TMP bullshit and the falling apart for both greens and TPM, i am sure they were waiting for the perfect timing, the usual suspects here saying he should have done it months ago.
  
  As for the polls, yesterdays polls had Labour, Greens and TPM well short of 61 seats, 53 combined i think, and those numbers are virtually back to where Ardern left, then we find 4 billion down the back of the sofa, and they wonder why they are plummeting.
  
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  May 11, 2023 10:56am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Skytower is still standing after being struck by lightning! Wow!
Maybe, just maybe there is something up the top for the lightning bolt to hit…..
Play school breakfast news checked the tower and all is good. I am so relieved.
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May 11, 2023 8:57am
- rangitoto
  
  It’s been hit hundreds of times over the years. It has lightning conductors with low impedance grounding system.
  
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  May 11, 2023 11:00am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes, the Sky tower does have a lightening rod, and it will have been struck several times
  
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  May 11, 2023 11:05am
- Libertarians are right
  
  So two more times and we can call it the Pugh Tower.
  
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  May 11, 2023 1:05pm
- NoFax
  
  I was in Kuala Lumpur recently and there were a lot of thunder storms in the afternoon including fork lighting. From my hotel I had a great view of Merdeka 118 which is the second tallest building in the world at 678.9m. I was watching waiting for it to be hit by lightening. Eventually it did and… nothing! Really disappointing. It’s like the builders knew this would happen and planned for it. Who knew?
  
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  May 11, 2023 8:54pm
Chuck Bird

Why not stopped terrifying young people that the world is not going to end due to global warming?

I am sure this has contributed to youth suicide.
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May 11, 2023 9:01am
- Master Mariner
  
  “Take away the common enemy and all you get is Chaos”,
  Total enablers CB dont you think.
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:39am
Lee C

SkyTower survives lightning strike!

Well teh MSM spent a fair amount of time engaging in witch-hunts against any who questioned ‘the science’ of ‘safe and effective vaccines’, so a medieval level understanding of physics and virology is already on record for these clowns.

How many out there would have scrabbling ove rthemselves to get the news of the ‘pandemic’ and ‘vaccines’ to us as quickly as they could, but the car they were driving started smoking and the doors blew off?

F**n Clowns.

All of them.

May they rot in Hell.

ps, I’m not a fan.

pps. Get vaxxed!!
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May 11, 2023 9:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Stuff: 30,000 amps – 3000 times that of a household socket.
  Really? 10 amps in my house, not 30 amps.
  
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  May 11, 2023 11:00am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Since Sky tower was built, it’s lightening rod has been hit an average of 10 times each year
  
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  May 11, 2023 7:00pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Self-awareness seems to be lacking in Marama Davidson.

She sought to defend the Greens from accusations of racism by Dr Elizabeth Kerekere by stating that Parliament and the political world wasn’t set up for Maori women

“It’s not for Māori women.”

And then she tries to close down Act MP Nicole McKee during Question Time. and accuses Nicole Mckee of being racist and asking dumb questions:

I called out to Act while they were asking their questions. They were racist and useless questions and that’s what I was saying.

She didn’t call out to “Act”… she called out to a fellow Maori Woman.

And she seems to forget that 4 Act MPs have Maori ancestry (3 of them women)… Hardly a racist organisation.

https://www.teaomaori.news/kerekere-hurt-bullying-claim-says-greens-have-been-racist
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May 11, 2023 9:05am
- k1w1
  
  Davidson is as dangerous as she is stupid.
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:14am
- sirknz
  
  Facts seem to bypass much of the Green narrative on a good day.
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:26am
- Ehlana
  
  I think it is well established now Maggy that to some people, Maoriness only counts if you are the right kind of Maori.
  
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  May 11, 2023 12:22pm
- Piniwi
  
  More notoriety for her as she was ejected out of the chamber by the Speaker. It is a sorry showing for parties who choose co-leaders and we must wonder are these Davidsons views or Green Party views. It might also be considered if Davidson will also jump over to the Maori Party as her days at the co-led Greens must be numbered.
  
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  May 11, 2023 1:27pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  But but but McKee is not the right time of Māori
  
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  May 11, 2023 7:01pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I’ve never been a Roger Douglas fan … but I think he’s on the money with this opinion piece:

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/hon-sir-roger-douglas-a-better-future-for-disadvantaged-people

The personal goals of underprivileged people are essentially identical to those of all the rest of the community.

If the help we give them locks them into dependency on the state or their tribe, as it has been deliberately designed to do by the current government, all we do is maintain them in that vulnerable state permanently.
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May 11, 2023 9:17am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  For a number of years Otara was within Roger Douglas’ constituency. As such he got a great grounding on what the underclass really wants. Hence his policies on education vouchers and other things.
  
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  May 11, 2023 2:22pm
hmmokrightitis

Oh god, please be true!
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May 11, 2023 9:25am
Hugh Jarse

If the Minister of Finance can “find” $4 Billion of savings in his budget, why do we need to be looking at new forms of taxation or worthy citizens voluntarily offering up more cash to subsidise governments spending ?
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May 11, 2023 9:26am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Because they borrowed those billions and never handed over the funding, it’s still borrowed, so they haven’t saved anything.
  
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  May 11, 2023 11:08am
  - Bob
    
    Actually ‘G’, the reality is, that Robertson intended to borrow a further $4 bill to cover Labour’s future announced promises; but has found out that the international market won’t support his borrowing.
    A dishonest way to claim ‘savings’ when you can’t actually borrow as intended last year, to pay for the 2024 year bribes.
    
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    May 11, 2023 11:58am
Matt Long

Turkmenistan has a serious problem with cows in the desert and needs to embark on a culling program.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/09/mind-boggling-methane-emissions-from-turkmenistan-revealed
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May 11, 2023 9:38am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Should we be concerned that ‘China-Construction-Bank’ has a branch in Auckland?

https://twitter.com/clipsthatgohard/status/1656343350155579393

Asking for friends who now reside in the city…. 54 floors up 🙁
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May 11, 2023 9:40am
- Ghost
  
  Sound like a good company, I hope we can hire them to build high rise prisons.
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:45am
- Keith White
  
  Parts made out of Chinesium* fail early and often.
  
  (“Low quality steel, typically but not only in hand tools. Most samples are low quality mild steel, or overhardened carbon steel. A good way to tell if an object is made of chinesium is checking the stamp. If the stamp says ‘H.S.S.’, ‘HSS’ or a variant, and / or is labeled “Made in China” it is probably chinesium. Another way to see is if it breaks or becomes dysfunctional very quickly”).
  
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  May 11, 2023 11:33am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Funny you should say that Keith.
    
    My partner bought me a matching pair of Chinese brand ‘Bloom’ Secateurs and a Tree-Lopper from Bunnings earlier this year for my birthday.
    Used them a couple of times and they’ve both rusted already!
    He blamed me for leaving them laying outside!
    Yet the label sez….. ‘Stainless Steel’
    
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    May 11, 2023 12:15pm
    - Keith White
      
      Once upon a time a shopsmurf told me when I brought a so-called stainless steel tool back rusted, that “it was guaranteed stainless, not rustless”. Product of the State education system, natch.
      
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      May 11, 2023 12:26pm
    - MCōs
      
      Tell him not to be so cheap.
      We have garden tools from Bunnings that we paid good money for and they last for years.
      
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      May 11, 2023 1:39pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        That’s exactly what I said when he rushed me about leaving them outside to rust!
        
        “If you hadn’t been such a cheap prick…..”
        
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        May 11, 2023 2:22pm
    - Ghost
      
      Tell him to not be so cheap and hire a gardener
      
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      May 11, 2023 2:25pm
    - mogg
      
      Low grade stainless will rust, sounds to me like it needs more use, haven’t you got a ‘woman who does’, maybe time to get her on the job.
      
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      May 11, 2023 3:18pm
    - Keith White
      
      MP: a visual link to chinesium-influenced architecture
      
      (Mods: the link goes to a video at a blog – I cannot figure out how to link it directly, thnx)
      
      https://theferalirishman.blogspot.com/2023/05/can-you-imagine-rest-of-construction.html
      
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      May 11, 2023 3:24pm
- Jack5
  
  China Construction Bank is the world’s second biggest bank, and has assets of $US5 trillion, according to the financial outfit, SP Global.
  
  By asset value the world’s four biggest banks are Chinese.
  
  By market value (of its shares, etc), China Construction Bank is the world’s sixth biggest bank, with American banks filling four of the five top places.
  
  World banks by asset value:
  
  https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/en/news-insights/research/the-world-s-100-largest-banks-2023
  
  World banks by market value:
  
  https://banksdaily.com/topbanks/World/market-cap-2023.html
  
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  May 11, 2023 12:22pm
- NoFax
  
  China Construction Bank lends money mostly residential and some syndicate loans. I think you mean China Construction NZ – similar name but not the same. And yes, if I lived at Seascape Apartments I would be concerned by “tofu construction”.
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:01pm
Bobba Fret

I really like the saying “Coalition of chaos”
Very catchy and an accurate description.
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May 11, 2023 9:47am
mandk

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2023/05/athletics-french-transgender-sprinter-halba-diouf-decries-olympics-ban.html

Plainly a man.
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May 11, 2023 9:50am
- Swifty
  
  That runner’s endocrinologist needs to go back to medical school.
  
  They must have been asleep the first time.
  
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  May 11, 2023 10:07am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The Olympic Committee were very foolish years back when they decided testosterone levels were the sole determinant of a person’s sex.
    
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    May 11, 2023 10:29am
    - kowtow
      
      Just goes to prove how utterly bankrupt we’ve become .
      The govt of Fr recognises he’s a she , but athletics at the highest level doesn’t .
      And now one can get historical , factual documents reissued in the terms one demands ( birth certificate).
      
      Orwell would feel well vindicated.
      
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      May 11, 2023 10:38am
  - Keith White
    
    Probably an affirmative action mature entrant to medical school. Coming to a NZ hospital near you.
    
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    May 11, 2023 12:27pm
- wreck1080
  
  That picture proves the point. Going on sex change drugs cannot reverse the muscular and physical advantage of being born male.
  
  That guy’s shoulder muscle development is clearly male, presumably the same applies to his entire body.
  
  Any drugs he may have been taking have not even begun to revert him to a female like body.
  
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  May 11, 2023 11:08am
- ClanMcleod
  
  It’s Eddie Murphy on steroids in a wig.
  
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  May 11, 2023 5:51pm
Ghost

From Sean Plunket

Breaking News.
@BowalleyRoad Chris Trotter tells @theplatform_nz he is voting @nzfirst

Twitter
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May 11, 2023 10:03am
- mandk
  
  The problem with voting for NZF is that you don’t know what you are going to get.
  
  I am surprised Trotter hasn’t figured that out. He used to be quite smart.
  
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  May 11, 2023 10:20am
  - kowtow
    
    Trotter has a turn of phrase and is eloquent ,engaging even , he can also spin a tale with the odd interesting bit of history etc
    
    But being a leftist rules him out as being “smart”.( in my humble opinion)
    
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    May 11, 2023 10:34am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    NZF will not get 5%, its a wasted vote, but he will have voted Labour last time
    
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    May 11, 2023 11:10am
- RoboRob
  
  My view of Trotter just dropped. He (and us) would be better off if he just didn’t vote.
  
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  May 11, 2023 10:31am
  - Colville
    
    Is he indicative of a large percentage of 2020 Labour voters who know they fucked up but cant bring themselves to vote for Luxon?
    
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    May 11, 2023 11:00am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Rubbish, just look at Nats numbers, and ACT, they are both well up on 2020, they are the voters that have already realised they stuffed up, but they have gone back to the centre right, Trotter will have voted Labour all his life, he represents the few older lifetime Labour voters i have heard say never again recently, and they are either voting Act or obtaining
      
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      May 11, 2023 11:12am
    - Paulus
      
      So I would expect that these potential voters do not turn up !
      
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      May 11, 2023 2:22pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  It was only a wee while ago that a vote for NZF was effectively a vote for Labour.
  
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  May 11, 2023 11:16am
  - Matt Long
    
    Perhaps Trotter is hoping for 2017 again.
    
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    May 11, 2023 11:32am
Surely Knott

Who shot Jack Brazil? It’s been a month since he was shot, and a week since it was revealed there was someone else in the car with him. The car was found. Who was it registered to? Why can’t Jack tell us who was in the car with him? Is Jack co-operating with the police. What are the details of the shooting. What did Jack say the offenders car looked like? What did Jack say happened that night?

Where did the shooting take place?

The report said “Jack ..was shot in the liver on Littlebourne Rd, near Otago Boys’ High School, ..”

But Otago Boys high isn’t on Littlebourne Rd or near it. Littlebourne road runs through Robert’s park.
Littlebourne ground however is near Otago Boys high school. Is that what they meant.
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May 11, 2023 10:30am
- Taieri
  
  Who shot Jack Brazil?
  ———–
  
  One of his friends?
  
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  May 11, 2023 10:44am
- Maggie Pie
  
  And why am I suddenly not on his ‘approved followers’ list?
  
  https://twitter.com/what_the_jack94
  
  Even Shaneel blocked me for some reason 🙁
  
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  May 11, 2023 11:03am
  - Inandout
    
    Maggie, that sign seems at odds with what Muslims believe.
    
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    May 11, 2023 12:20pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Critic runs an article telling us that Jack Brazil didn’t want his name to be published…and then some stuff about “privacy”
  
  https://www.critic.co.nz/news/article/10628/salt-in-the-wound
  
  But, if a political activist gets shot, it’s really a bit much to think that the public should be kept inthe dark….
  
  *either a gunman (for the cops have identified a man was in the car with JB when he was shot) is on the loose
  
  or
  *JB has been using a firearm illegally (You’re not meant to have loaded firearms in a car).
  
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  May 11, 2023 12:43pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Used to walk down Littlebourne Road on the way to OBHS back in the day. It is close to the school. Also use to play soccer on Roberts Park which Littlebourne runs past.
  mr Brazil resides on tweed street just at the top of Littlebourne road. I suspect Mr Brazil was shot close to home for some reason.
  
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  May 11, 2023 6:06pm
wreck1080

Regarding education. My son goes to the local high school, his best friend chose to attend ACG.

My son gets very little to no homework, no academic preparation for next years exams. My son is being forced through maori education and activities in which he has no interest or choice. These woke teachers are trying to force the maori way onto non-maori students.

In contrast, his friend at ACG gets home work, and they are studying for some year 10 exams . I’m looking at shifting my son into another school, but it’s tricky as he has friends there and it is the closest.The one we are looking at might be nearly 2 hours on a bus each day.
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May 11, 2023 10:56am
- H. Upmann
  
  I am so pleased that I no longer have to make these decisions about educating my children. Their whole life outcome may well be dependent on the choice you make.
  
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  May 11, 2023 11:37am
- hullkiwi
  
  I share your pain & concern. We have the issues with our son. He is attending a Preference Christian school, but the school is not resourced to teach secondary school.
  
  Our son is getting tutorial classes at EduExperts, and we are considering taking him out of school and putting him in the Chrimson Global Academy. The issue for our son is leaving his friends. However, the need for education will be the overriding criteria.
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:32pm
Maggie Pie

Here’s something I couldn’t answer…..

Does anyone here know whether somebody with a Chinese sounding name has ever received a Knighthood?
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May 11, 2023 11:23am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  In NZ, not that I know of. Overseas yes!!!
  
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  May 11, 2023 11:40am
  - Jack5
    
    Several Hong Kong Chinese were knighted, and some were knighted long ago, like Sir Robert Hohung, the uncle of Stanley Ho, the Macau casino king. Hophung was actually knighted twice by Britain, the first time more than a century ago.
    
    https://www.scmp.com/magazines/style/news-trends/article/3091050/who-was-sir-robert-hotung-great-uncle-late-casino-king
    
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    May 11, 2023 3:23pm
- MCōs
  
  You may recall this chap.
  He may not have received a knighthood, but he was right up there.
  He was later convicted of electoral fraud or sum such
  https://gg.govt.nz/file/25677
  
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  May 11, 2023 1:53pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Nah…next to useless if you expect it will get you upgraded to First Class.
    
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    May 11, 2023 2:16pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Sir John A Lee?
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

So some extra rich people want to pay more Tax?
One week before the Budget? Something not passing the sniff test here.
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May 11, 2023 11:25am
- kowtow
  
  ‘But the campaign was launched earlier, last November, by two non-government organisations, Tax Justice Aotearoa and Oxfam. It was intended to complement an international programme, Millionaires for Humanity, which was begun in Denmark. ‘
  
  From the interest.co link I posted earlier .
  
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  May 11, 2023 11:47am
- H. Upmann
  
  The ultimate in virtue signalling; look at me, look at me, I am so kind and special……
  
  If they want to give part of their fortune away then do it discreetly, anonymously and with quiet satisfaction and pride.
  
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  May 11, 2023 12:42pm
- Inandout
  
  SO, JP Morgan would turn in his gold plated casket.
  
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  May 11, 2023 1:35pm
rouppe

Reading an article about “Questions raised over Te Whatu Ora’s $1m rheumatic heart disease pilot”

References another article about how 1 in 50 “Pasifika” people have Rheumatic heart disease.

Reading that article, it talks about the Counties Manukau area. Which I believe also has a large Maori population.

So now I have the question, how is the funding made? Te Whatu Ora – Health New Zealand – only has access to 70% of health funding, with the remaining 30% vested in Te Aka Whai Ora – the Maori Health Authority.

Does this mean that health funding that is available to me is being consumed to benefit Maori health, while the funding set aside for Maori health is not being consumed? And iof this is the case, what will the MHA funding actually be used for?
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May 11, 2023 11:41am
- MCōs
  
  Counties Manukau people identify themselves as 16% Māori, 22% Pacific, 28% Asian (my wife) and the remainder pakeha (myself) and others.
  
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  May 11, 2023 12:10pm
  - rouppe
    
    16% is close enough to the national demographic. 30% of health funding has gone to the MHA, so shouldn’t one expect 30% of the funding for this pilot come from the MHA?
    
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    May 11, 2023 12:17pm
Maggie Pie

And member the Finnish PM Sanna Marin…..Cindy’s bestie 😛

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1656371174018805766
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May 11, 2023 12:04pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, Jacinda was betrothed, almost made the altar.
  
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  May 11, 2023 12:15pm
rouppe

So Grant has found $1 billion a year.

Around 3/4 of that is being spent just on Defence for salaries and building upgrades
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May 11, 2023 12:19pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/going-going-gone-30000-booklets-go-out-to-all-bay-of-plenty-rural-letter-boxes-this-week/

Street marches soon.
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May 11, 2023 12:21pm
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

97 clowns have written to the gummit asking to be taxed more. Don’t these clowns realise that they can pay more tax voluntarily without the gummit raising the taxes? Publicity stunt by these clowns.
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May 11, 2023 12:44pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Sir Cullen’s Sidekick,
  Please do not consider me a “clown” but I do not know how one can make a voluntary donation to the Inland Revenue Department.
  When one goes to the “pay tax” site at any bank one must choose one of 45 different types of tax payment. Voluntary payments are not included in the list of 45.
  If I make a voluntary payment of $5 for the 2023 tax year it will merely reduce what I have to pay on 8th April 2024. I mention $5 as that is my annual subscription to the Labour Party.
  Forty five different types of tax. I was astonished when I counted them all.
  Note for pedants; 7th April 2024 is a Sunday.
  
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  May 11, 2023 3:03pm
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Notts bro – I understand you are a millionsire and want to pay more tax to do social justice. Congratulations and I salute you. I can give you my bank account and from your bank account you can transfer me the money. I will give it to the poor. My beer drinking, rugby watching, lazing on the couch coussies will than you for that.
    
    On a serious note you can pick any tax type and pay the money, then write to IRD that you are paying extra tax for the benefit of Robbo, who is very good at spending other people’s money.
    
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    May 11, 2023 5:17pm
I remember when

Dunedin home invasion descends into violent brawl, causing serious injury:
When sentencing Kereopa Hune tom 20 monthys imprisonment Judge Robinson said:
“The reality is Mr Hune, unless you work with probation, we will be seeing you in court more and more.”

I wonder how the justice system could prevent this?
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May 11, 2023 1:18pm
- kowtow
  
  Here was me thinking the courts were meant to be preventing home invasions by imposing hefty sentences .
  
  What a joke .
  
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  May 11, 2023 2:01pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…

Girl pulls out can of ‘Easy Off’ to deter cray-cray hammer wielding attacker!

https://twitter.com/detectfights/status/1656349358600617990

Always be prepared.
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May 11, 2023 1:28pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, and here was me thinking ‘easy off’ was a type of contraceptive.
  
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  May 11, 2023 1:40pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    It’s ‘Oven-Spray’ silly….but it would probably work for that as well.
    
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    May 11, 2023 1:59pm
    - Keith White
      
      When living in some dubious places overseas, the mem-sahibs in the neighbourhood would sometimes keep a pot of olive oil simmering on the stove if the through-traffic was unusually restless and door-knocking with intent (no answer and they’d go for burglary, answer and they’d try to push through the semi-open door if only a female voice answered).
      
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      May 11, 2023 3:12pm
I remember when

Of course Robyn Malcolm should pay more tax!
The rest of us taxpayers have been subsidising her income.
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May 11, 2023 2:27pm
BeaB

I used to enjoy those graphics on Kiwiblog showing things like how ridiculously many trees needed to be planted to get to 1 billion or how many Kiwibuild houses were yet to be built.(And never were).
We need another one clicking up every week/day/hour how much money the average wage and salary earners are losing because of inflation, tax, food prices, interest rates etc. My guess is that the average person is significantly worse off than they were this time last year.
How much has having this Labour government cost you? $10,000? $20,000? More?
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May 11, 2023 2:43pm
Ghost

Sentence seems, once again, a joke

A man visited public Christchurch pools hundreds of times over a year, and used a covert camera in a shopping bag to secretly film young boys getting changed.

North, 59, was on Thursday sentenced to two years of intensive supervision and six months of community detention.

Article
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May 11, 2023 3:21pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Notice how scum like this always have a ‘certain look’ about them?
  You can actually pick them a mile off.
  
  And what a joke sentence!
  I’ve heard people say low-lifes like this need to be fed into a wood-chipper.
  
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  May 11, 2023 3:49pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING 😀

Further to my posts yesterday relating to the E Jean-Carroll rape trial…..

“Her cats was name Vagina – the judge wouldn’t allow us to put that in”

– Donald J Trump (CNN Live)

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1656457139731169285
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May 11, 2023 3:28pm
- Mike
  
  I wonder if repeating defamatory statements after the trial would lead to an uplift in damages when his appeal is considered.
  
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  May 11, 2023 7:27pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Apparently he went and played Golf in Europe instead of testifying- cant blame him, what a circus that would be.
    When presented with the $5 million award against him, he probably said “worth it!”
    Its so funny the way he triggers you.
    Beta incel
    
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    May 11, 2023 9:15pm
Surely Knott

Teen came home on train yesterday. 1 person European with facial tats gets on yelling anti immigrant stuff at the conductor and then starterd yelling at the passengers, refusing to pay for a ticket because he was a “NZer”. And person 2 sat next to them appeared to be having a psychotic episode and ranted to him and his friend (both harmless uni geeks who were studying) that they were Satan and dangerous for the next few stops.
Living in NZ is now like living in New York. What happened to our safe little country.
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May 11, 2023 3:47pm
- MCōs
  
  While not denying this happened I’ve never seen any misbehavior on buses, trains or aeroplanes in a number of countries where I’ve worked.
  Must be the laughing eyes that calm people down.
  
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  May 11, 2023 4:42pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Well I can assure you it DOES happen on buses Cossie.
    
    One afternoon on my way home from tennis, I happened to pull up alongside a GI school-bus stopped at the lights on Remuera Rd. Unfortunately, I had my sunfoof wide open. Some smart little sh*t threw a half-eaten ham sandwich down into the Porsche. And when I looked up they all flipped me off.
    
    I actually blame the parents 🙁
    
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    May 11, 2023 5:15pm
    - Ghost
      
      How rude, they could at least of thrown a drink down as well to have with the sandwich
      
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      May 11, 2023 5:22pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Don’t you live overseas though MCos. It definitely happened. You sound like Trump denying the election results.
    
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    May 12, 2023 8:09am
- Keith White
  
  “It’s Greentown, Jake.”
  
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  May 11, 2023 4:46pm
mogg

Year on year food inflation is now 12.5%, fruit and veg inflation is 22%. It’s no wonder that Robbo is looking evermore like Harry Secombe AKA Mr Bumble, who is stuffing his fat belly in Oliver, while the boys are singing the ‘food glorious food’song.
This is ‘ground hog day’ for Labour, they have nothing left to talk about which doesn’t highlight their gross incompetence. This is the worst food inflation since 1987 and that was caused by the introduction of gst.
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May 11, 2023 4:22pm
jon

Interesting trend in the three recent polls, that Labour has recorded a 3% drop in support in each one. Honeymoon over!
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May 11, 2023 4:39pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  If only that nice Jacinda hadn’t had to go away
  
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  May 11, 2023 9:10pm
Drone

I know it’s boring but we should send James Shaw to Turkmenistan to sort out the citizens, apparently they have a methane problem, which killing a few cows won’t solve https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/09/mind-boggling-methane-emissions-from-turkmenistan-revealed
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May 11, 2023 4:42pm
ClanMcleod

Just to add to my extreme disappointment in the political opposition to the disastrous Labour Party, David Seymour stoops to a new low.

He was interviewed on Reality Check Radio by Paul Brennan and repeated the utterly disingenuous garbage that NZ has negative excess mortality over the last 3 years compared to previous similar periods.

Guy Hatchard disassembles his idiotic comments proving that Seymour is either a liar or cannot read properly. Excess mortality is running at 18% this year and:

We are on target to have 6,000 additional deaths in 2023 compared to 2015-2019.

The only reason the 3 year figure looks lower is because for the first 18 months where we were locked up and not allowed to go anywhere or socialise with anyone, there was pretty much zero covid in NZ, but nor was there any flu or any other respiratory illness. There were less workplace accidents and road deaths etc etc etc.

https://hatchardreport.com/fact-check-david-seymour-says-we-have-no-excess-deaths-is-he-right/

I’ve mentioned previously that I’ve asked Mr Seymour in a couple of emails to let me know that, based on the latest information, had he changed his position from a year ago, and did he regret wanting to mandate harder than Labour. He hasn’t replied to date.

Thankfully this comment to Paul Brennan gives me the answer I needed.

During the interview, David Seymour reaffirmed his support for the Covid vaccination programme and derided any suggestion that there was any safety issue with Covid vaccines.

At this stage ACT are gone from my potential voting choices. I cannot support someone who can lie so blatantly, or is incapable of reading and comprehending the actual evidence around this experiment.
National have moved up a bit due to their clear stance in refusing to consider the racist Maori Party as a partner. An acknowledgment of the harms done due to mandates and other attacks on our freedoms and rights and they will get both of my votes.

I had thought Seymour was a little bit more in tune than he clearly is. I wanted to give them some leverage in any coalition with National. After hearing this interview, I wouldn’t give him the time of day. I can forgive mistakes, not lies.
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May 11, 2023 4:42pm
- miltonF
  
  I’ve been considering holding my nose and voting Act. After this statement I have to agree with you. I don’t see any integrity and can’t morally vote for Act. Will vote for one of the minor conservative parties. I will be told it’s a wasted vote but in my opinion it’s not. A wasted vote would be a vote for a party which does not align with your morals. My conscience is more important to me than “winning”. Especially when the prize is moral misery.
  
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  May 11, 2023 5:17pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    miltonF – same, I was prepared to give a huge amount of leeway to ACT (and National) because I know they were told the same lies as the rest of us. Saying that, many of us saw through it, but I gave them the benefit of the doubt.
    These comments by Seymour show me clearly that he is just another liar and a fraud. He can no longer claim that he “doesn’t know” and in fact, he is now doubling down on the bullshit from last year.
    
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    May 11, 2023 6:17pm
  - Keith White
    
    Yes, we can choose either moral misery or financial misery, so financial misery is by a very great extent the lesser of the two evils.
    
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    May 11, 2023 6:26pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      That really depends of the moral fibre of the person. Some can handle being an asshole due to their inherent “I’m alright Jack” attitude. Others not so much.
      
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      May 11, 2023 6:34pm
ClanMcleod

Well, well, well – the Herald has published an article in which Bryan Leyland absolutely destroys the case for ‘net zero’.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/bryan-leyland-the-wind-and-solar-power-myth-has-finally-been-exposed/HCONZGS2UZHVBMDQJGZ67AJAFM/

Bryan Leyland: The wind and solar power myth has finally been exposed

It’s all laid out, the numbers and the facts. That the ideological drive for net zero is as impossible as it is destructive. The lunatics behind this need to be exposed and stopped, urgently.
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May 11, 2023 4:58pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Further to the Brian Leyland piece, I’ve said before, we live off grid so have a bit of an understanding of the problems. This sentence describes probably the major issue.
  
  Only one thing can save the day for the renewables plan. Reasonable cost, large scale energy storage, sufficient to keep the lights on for several days at a minimum, would solve the problem.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/bryan-leyland-the-wind-and-solar-power-myth-has-finally-been-exposed/HCONZGS2UZHVBMDQJGZ67AJAFM/
  
  We have a large available battery backup. Enough to run the house for 4-5 days, but this is only for the the basics. Lights, fridge/freezer, radio and TV and a pump that is how we get our water pressure.
  
  No microwave, no heat pump, no electric jug, no electric sandwich maker, basically nothing with an electric element in it.
  To do this on a National scale for this period of time with current technology is impossible – as the article clearly explains.
  Also it explains, this situation is the same, no matter how many more windmills or solar panels you put in.
  To have battery back up to this level is very expensive, as Leyland points out.
  
  Worth reading in full to understand the stupidity of the ‘net zero’ ideologues.
  
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  May 11, 2023 5:07pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Cut out the TV, chum. It only rots your brain.
    
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    May 11, 2023 9:14pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Other than my wife watching Country Calendar we ding watch the actual terrestrial TV programmes. Mainly we use it to watch streaming content like https://www.ukcolumn.org/
      
      Some YouTube stuff like Dr John Campbell, clown planet of the Jimmy Dore show. Disconnected from the matrix a few years ago!
      
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      May 12, 2023 8:01am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’ll be watching for how long this article remains visible on the NZ Herald website.
  
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  May 11, 2023 7:49pm
Ghost

Should just follow the law and fine them

Statistics Minister Deborah Russell says more than $125,000 has been spent on the Warriors promotion intended to incentivise New Zealanders to fill in the Census.

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May 11, 2023 6:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Twitter – Carlson, that is all:

https://billingsreport.com/tucker-carlson-releases-new-video-slamming-filthy-corrupting-media/
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May 11, 2023 6:29pm
- Mike
  
  Oh dear.
  
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  May 11, 2023 7:17pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    dear?
    More like Cha Ching!
    Over 22 million views in under 24 hours for both his videos
    You’re just jealous
    Sad!
    
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    May 11, 2023 9:10pm
wreck1080

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/st-cuthberts-college-concerned-about-new-ncea-level-1-curriculum-writes-its-own/5UO37PIPTNCJJBYTSHDFALLD4U/

St Cuthburts dumping NCEA 1 entirely…. what the hell is wrong with the ministry of education?

This government is throwing students under the bus!
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May 11, 2023 6:46pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/132018123/man-shot-in-neighbours-feud-loses-name-suppression
I’ll bet that if he was not a European his name would have been suppressed indefinitely.
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May 11, 2023 6:48pm
- Ghost
  
  Rubbish, plenty of non Europeans lose and don’t get name suppression.
  
  Here is an article on name suppression that shows you are wrong
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/451578/pakeha-granted-name-suppression-three-times-as-often-as-maori
  
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  May 11, 2023 6:54pm
Ghost

I don’t think he had any chance with a council that was loyal to their ~~friend~~ last mayor

New Zealand’s youngest ever mayor is being called on to resign by the majority of his council.…..

Bell rejected the request and as a result the council would hold an extraordinary meeting next week to vote on a number of measures, including calling on Local Government Minister Kieran McAnulty to intervene.

The council would vote on three motions:

That the council writes to the Minister of Local Government requesting a meeting with council representatives. The purpose of the meeting will be to talk about intervention measures available to assist the council to effectively govern and conduct its business as usual

That the council passes a vote of no confidence in the mayor

The council removes the mayor from all committees, sub-committees and joint committees

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May 11, 2023 7:46pm
- Mike
  
  I don’t think mayors in NZ have much power without a council majority backing them. Either a mayor needs legal executive powers, or perhaps mayors should be elected by councillors, as already happens for chairs of regional councils.
  
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  May 11, 2023 8:19pm
Maggie Pie

I see David Cunliffe has just apologised for being a wealthy man.

😀 😀 😀
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May 11, 2023 7:58pm
- Ghost
  
  Has Chris hipkins apologised for being a wealthy, ummm, does he know what a man is?
  
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  May 11, 2023 7:59pm
Ghost

So MBIE are changing the temp hot water should be

The water temperature in every shower, bath, bidet and hand basin in new homes being built must reduce from a maximum of 55C down to 50C.

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But

Hot water cylinders should normally be set to a minimum 60°C. At this temperature, bacteria cannot survive, and therefore keeps your water clean. When you set the temperature lower than this, it becomes an optimal breeding ground for Legionella bacteria, which is the main concern for hot water systems in New Zealand.

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