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Souvlaki

A great read from Michael Bassett:
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/michael-bassett-the-labour-party-and-tribal-maori-leadership
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May 2, 2023 8:02am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Indeed.. a great discussion of jiggery pokery.
  
  Several lump sums were paid to tribes on a “full and final” basis for their grievances. Being a Labour government, ministers expected that the money would be spent on furthering health, education and welfare for ordinary Maori. They were astonished to discover that Tainui spent much of its settlement on a flash new car for the Maori King and improvements to the living quarters of the Maori royal family.
  
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  May 2, 2023 8:20am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    “…astonished…” hadn’t they heard of cargo cults before?
    
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    May 2, 2023 8:33am
    - Matt Long
      
      Cargo cults are a little different, this is more a simple case of human nature easily overcoming fiduciary responsibility, something prevalent around the world, but formerly suppressed in Westminster democracies.
      
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      May 2, 2023 10:14am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That’s the Elite Maori that Julian Batchelor speaks of. The ones attempting a Coup!
    See http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
    
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    May 2, 2023 9:29am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘The $170 million settlement in 1997 was the tribe’s fifth.’
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/complaint-industry-still-rambles
    
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    May 2, 2023 10:37am
    - Stamper
      
      Right on KT – Prebble has been on about this for decades.
      
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      May 2, 2023 3:11pm
  - sirknz
    
    Don’t forget the naming rights on a stadium…
    
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    May 2, 2023 10:55am
- Bob
  
  Basset was a significant member of the Lange Labour govt which set in concrete the foundations for the ethnicity problems we have today. His comment re Doug Graham is a classic ‘pot calling kettle ‘ case. Basset was Min of Int Affairs at one time and could have prevented this present debacle; he did nothing but encourage it.
  I am awaiting his apology to the nation for letting this situation develop on his watch.
  He is correct about the misleading lack of leadership, within the Maori; most real Maori don’t support the present generation of activist ‘wannabe’s’.
  Most of his past opinion pieces are more about reinterpreting and obfuscating his and the Labour party past misadventures in politics; for which we are now all suffering.
  
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  May 2, 2023 12:27pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Not sure that’s entirely fair. Although G. Palmer presided over the Treaty Principles fiasco, the Treaty gravy train did not get steam up until the Bolger government.
    
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    May 2, 2023 6:59pm
    - Bob
      
      NMTB’s…..
      without the Lange govt action, there would not have been any vehicle for the Treaty rort that now exists.
      Lange set too, and turned the basic recognition of the original Treaty Document into basically a simple contractual obligation. The rest is recent history!
      
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      May 2, 2023 8:05pm
Tomtoddy

“Atmospheric river of rain” was barely a creek. NIWA and the media beating up on any slightly out of the ordinary weather event as they condition and indoctrinate us for the heavy costs of “decarbonisation”. A few years ago there would have been no comment at all on the few showers in Auckland of the last couple of days.

Crying wolf, ultimately, has a high cost but when that day comes you will not see any of the doomsday bull crappers for dust and small stones.
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May 2, 2023 8:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Take no notice. They are doing a worse case scenario plus 30%
  It is 2023. If there actually was an atmospheric river, the satellites and ships at sea would be able to report is.
  OK, the road slips. I wonder if some of this is caused by the huge lack of maintenance by Waka Coathanger? They should not get off so easily by blaming weather and ‘climate change.’
  This may of course backfire because of the many lies, then a real emergency will be ignored.
  
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  May 2, 2023 8:14am
  - G152
    
    Its an attempt and a poor one to validate the Global warming/climate change lie they are feeding us.
    Slips on roads have been happening since we built roads
    
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    May 2, 2023 8:19am
    - Matt Long
      
      What has changed is the way we deal with slips, all the spoil must now be cared off site accompanied by an orchestra of orange and flaching lights.
      The whole production means repairs take a long time and are very costly.
      
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      May 2, 2023 10:22am
- rockape
  
  They have been doing it with climate change for years. Hard to break a habit.
  
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  May 2, 2023 8:17am
  - kowtow
    
    Adolescent style , hyperbolic “journalism” .
    
    “Weather bomb” was another old favourite .
    
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    May 2, 2023 9:04am
  - hullkiwi
    
    It is easy in the case of NIWA, as most of the organisations “scientists” are foreign, just deport them for falsely representing their dud qualifications & experience.
    
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    May 2, 2023 4:18pm
    - Burtland
      
      NZers don’t do science anymore – failure to teach STEM adequately has seen to that. Rutherford’s rich heritage has been trashed in a generation by the teaching profession.
      
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      May 2, 2023 5:36pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Newshub told me to prepare for ‘the worst’, so I went out and bought a couple of thousand sand bags to surround the house. I’ve been camped on the roof for a couple of days now and provisions are starting to get a little low. I hope the helicopter arrives soon to clear us out to the camp.
  
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  May 2, 2023 8:30am
- Asterius Mario
  
  I ignore the media re weather events. Just look at weather watch and met service and make your own judgments.
  
  In the case of Gabrielle, all the modelling showed that it would indeed hit New Zealand and it would be a major event.
  
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  May 2, 2023 8:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yep, look at Rangitoto. If you can see Rangitoto, it is going to rain.
    If you can’t see it, then it is raining.
    
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    May 2, 2023 9:36am
    - thirteenstars
      
      Probably what the Maori did when they first populated the area.
      
      Hmm, maybe their is something to this Maori “science” after all.
      
      😉
      
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      May 2, 2023 11:10am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        They must have seen Rangitoto volcano, if the dates are correct on the google machine.
        
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        May 2, 2023 11:47am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Volcano erupting*
        
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        May 2, 2023 11:48am
    - Ehlana
      
      Or get a cat. Cat outdoors – weather good. Cat indoors – weather bad. Cat wet – rain.
      
      If you prefer more direct evidence, a dog will shake the rain off all over you.
      
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      May 2, 2023 1:15pm
      - Keith White
        
        All I had was a parrot, now all I got is a slug.
        
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        May 2, 2023 6:00pm
- alex Masterley
  
  I’ve always looked at a number of weather models and compared and contrasted them with Metservice etc.
  Then i look out the window to see if what is forcast is what is happening. I also use the predictwind observation feature to validate my thinking as that is is real time
  
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  May 2, 2023 9:07am
- ClanMcleod
  
  The Herald has 2 articles today “warning” about more rain coming to Auckland.
  
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  May 2, 2023 9:27am
  - sirknz
    
    More articles on the Met Gala…
    
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    May 2, 2023 12:39pm
- Bloody Dago
  
  Just over these Wonky Weather Wallies, climate changes every second
  
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  May 2, 2023 9:53am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Makes a change from covid, but then that was always going to be the pivot.
    
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    May 2, 2023 11:57am
    - hullkiwi
      
      You nearly got a down tick for the use of the word pivot
      
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      May 2, 2023 4:21pm
- MCōs
  
  MetService now
  Updated Severe Weather Warnings
  
  Moisture streaming down from the north brings outbreaks of heavy rain to many areas this week
  
  – note that many of these watches and warnings span across several days
  
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  May 2, 2023 10:01am
  - Don Beckett
    
    Yep – I recall exactly the same thing happening when I was a kid back in 1949 – and when I was an adolescent in 1954 – and when i was a teenager in 1957 – and when I was one of the lads about town in 1962 – and when I got married in 1968; but why am I wasting my time on this?
    
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    May 2, 2023 10:34am
- Master Mariner
  
  Yes indeed Tom,
  Well we can know get away from NIWA reporting “Severe marine Heat waves” as we know look at entering El Nino, Surprisingly fast and normally enters into a “Neutral” mode.
  Here’s a great video and looking from a UK/US perspective.
  We will now enter too a prolonged colder and less rain period.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwdxffEzQ9I
  
  Start watching power bills rising in the next year as Dams start to Dry.
  Out of Interest is too me was the fact we only got marginal Tropical cyclones cat 1,2,3 during La Nina’s 3 year Phase.
  Maybe TV weather reports will go back too more normal colours, I mean how many shades of red are there //
  OK, Heads up too any one that relies on the Weather Forcasting for there daily lives.
  
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  May 2, 2023 10:51am
- Bob
  
  but it seems to have washed away the ‘River of Filth”!
  
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  May 2, 2023 12:28pm
- Raphael
  
  As Ian Wishart has been documenting, NIWA doesn’t include historic data in their models as it has lots of inconvenient temperature and rainfall figures.
  
  They also don’t take into account things like dams when modelling potential flooding.
  
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  May 2, 2023 12:42pm
  - lemuzz
    
    Nor do they take into account all the overgrown waterways with weeds and trees restricting the watercourse and the stormwater drains.
    
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    May 2, 2023 1:10pm
    - kowtow
      
      Or that councils don’t regularly clear river beds of built up gravel deposits like they used to.
      
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      May 2, 2023 2:51pm
Warren

You have to laugh at the hypocritical Labour Party , Jacinda Ardern the former Prime Minister and now Prime Minister Chris Hipkins on wanting New Zealand to be a a Republic and severe their ties with the Monarchy.
Yet yes as soon as someone dies or there is a change of King or Queen the rush to Britain to be part of the pomp and glamor and arrange to meet those in power and seek a meeting with the latest Monarch.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-hipkins-to-outline-travel-plans-uk-for-king-charles-coronation-and-meeting-joe-biden-in-papua-new-guinea/HNTQUC4XAZC2DEFBQGVX5LBYBY/
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May 2, 2023 8:06am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  They are preforming their official duties as head of government. While they personally might favour a republic, they are head of government in a constitutional monarchy. Therefore it is not hypocritical, they are undertaking an essential part of their job as PM.
  To put it another way. Imagine the controversy if they didn’t attend.
  
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  May 2, 2023 10:01am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I think the point is Wayne, he should keep his opinion to his self, there has been no discussion over this, and if we did change, the first thing to happen would be a change in flag, how will that go down
    
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    May 2, 2023 10:08am
    - Ghost
      
      Hipkins was asked a question, he answered it. If he refused you would be on here attacking him for refusing to answer. Personally I’d rather he answer questions so i know what he is thinking than avoid answering
      
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      May 2, 2023 10:12am
      - hmmokrightitis
        
        Oh bollocks to that – he doesn’t have to express his opinion on everything. He isn’t a thought leader, he’s a governor and his personal opinion on monarchy or not does not matter – even more so that he is attending the coronation.
        
        If we as a country decide we don’t want to be part of the Commonwealth at some point, all well and good – but WE (the people) decide that, not some random replacement PM.
        
        Opinions are like arseholes etc etc.
        
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        May 2, 2023 11:20am
      - Ghost
        
        Let me know what you disagree with about his answer to a question he was asked
        
        “Ideally, in time, New Zealand will become a fully independent country, will stand on our own two feet in the world, as we by and large do now,” Hipkins said.
        
        I don’t think that swapping out the governor general for some other form of head of state is necessarily an urgent priority right now, though
        
        I’m on record as being a republican, I think, I’ve never made any secret of that. But I’ve also indicated it’s not a priority for me, it’s not something I intend to push.”
        
        Honestly, I think it is something for New Zealanders to instigate a discussion on, and there isn’t a groundswell of support for having this particular debate right at the moment.
        
        When New Zealanders are ready to have a debate about whether or not they want to become a republic, then I will just be one vote in that. But it’s not something that I intend to prioritise – I don’t believe it’s the right time to do it.”
        
        Article
        
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        May 2, 2023 11:34am
      - rouppe
        
        @ghost
        
        Why then is that exact same answer – but from Luxon on the subject of abortion – not good enough
        
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        May 2, 2023 12:40pm
      - Ghost
        
        I think a big problem with the abortion question was Gower lying claiming that luxon voted against the abortion legislation, which was passed before luxon was even in parliament, and then Gower the liar refusing to correct that statement when shown he was wrong
        
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        May 2, 2023 12:50pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        The biggest problem with the Abortion situation in NZ is that it never got proper debate. Labour were clandestine in pushing through globally extreme legislation during the week the country was distracted by the imminent approach of the first Covid lockdown. 18 months later they used Roe v Wade to gaslight and deflect their underhanded behaviour onto Luxon.
        
        Rather than being forced to concede no changes to abortion legislation, could Luxon have used his media appearances to outline the dishonesty of the Labour government? He certainly should have tried harder. He has now basically conceded that their extreme legislation will remain in place.
        
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        May 2, 2023 1:13pm
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Monarchy taxes any one? Robbo is slapping a one cent a dollar tax on rich pricks earning 100K per annum to cover the costs of following a monarch model.
      
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      May 2, 2023 1:44pm
  - leoj
    
    If not hypocrites, then gutless namby-pambys.
    
    If they REALLY believed, they would actually DO something.
    
    Nah, they’re hypocrites.
    
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    May 2, 2023 10:15am
- backster
  
  Is a Haka Party going over?
  
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  May 2, 2023 11:42am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    There’s one there
    
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    May 2, 2023 12:23pm
Tauhei Notts

My information technology skills are inadequate so I can’t provide a link, but I have just seen a wonderful haka performed in Perpignan, south west France, on Youtube.
If any body can provide the link please do so. Caution, you will need incontinence pads to watch the clip as it will make you piss yourself laughing.
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May 2, 2023 8:06am
- Asterius Mario
  
  Is this it?
  
  https://youtu.be/5OPKg101WmM
  
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  May 2, 2023 8:15am
  - Observer of Life
    
    And the permanently offended will be along in 1 2 3 ….
    
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    May 2, 2023 10:44am
- Burtland
  
  https://www.facebook.com/lindependant.fr/videos/perpignan-le-haka-des-profs-en-gr%C3%A8ve/475654279998604/
  
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  May 2, 2023 8:16am
  - Ghost
    
    Wow, they all look and sound constipated
    
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    May 2, 2023 8:21am
  - Sacha
    
    Perhaps the local rugby club had a visit from a former All Black who led them in a haka late on a Saturday night . . . . .
    
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    May 2, 2023 10:39am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  “O wad some Power the giftie gie us To see oursels as ithers see us! “
  
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  May 2, 2023 8:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ka mate Macron?
  
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  May 2, 2023 8:30am
Chuck Bird

FYI

Public toilets and changing rooms going unisex bringing greater comfort to gender fluid comfort stops

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/public-toilets-and-changing-rooms-going-unisex-bringing-greater-comfort-to-gender-fluid-comfort-stops/L4MPCZKZZJD4FA4SMHIDM7IPNE/
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May 2, 2023 8:09am
- rjay
  
  Not sure what my fluid is. So good not to have to choose.
  
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  May 2, 2023 8:20am
- kowtow
  
  They claim it will make women safer .
  
  How ?
  
  Allowing people to occupy cubicles where they can await their target , unquestioned as “all’ have legitimate access.
  
  Cost saving and wokery , endangering the vulnerable .
  
  They should be ashamed of themselves.
  
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  May 2, 2023 9:08am
  - Che Guava
    
    It’s got nothing whatsoever to do with women’s safety, or even transgenders. It is about category denial. It is solely about dissolving every category and producing a compeletly demoralised, obedient and homogeneous Global Citizen. Over the last 70 or 80 years, most of the social categories have been systematically subverted and destroyed, and now biological categories are the next to go.
    
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    May 2, 2023 11:06am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Agenda 2030. Part of the rollout of the demolition of democracy and the implication of centralised power by unelected officials. We need to do everything we can to stop it, our future generations will suffer if this is permitted.
      
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      May 2, 2023 12:29pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        our future generations will suffer
        
        From a move to unisex toilets in cubicles … wot?
        
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        May 2, 2023 5:02pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes this was high on the news, yet 90% couldn’t give a f….
  
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  May 2, 2023 10:09am
- leoj
  
  What about the comfort of women and girls who must tolerate biological males in their changing rooms and toilets?
  
  This weirdo mob have way too much say.
  
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  May 2, 2023 10:18am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    We not it ms men women and others? Asking for middle aged white cis male
    
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    May 2, 2023 10:25am
  - G152
    
    Arm all real women with pepper spray
    
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    May 2, 2023 11:02am
  - Ehlana
    
    From the Herald article, a good example of misrepresenting an argument to pretend you can prove it has no substance:
    “It comes amid rhetoric about “women’s spaces” associated with the visit by British activist Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull, who has claimed women are not safe in toilets and changing rooms used by trans women.
    
    The police have told the Herald it has no record of any complaint or threat relating to the scenarios pushed by those opposed to trans women in women’s toilets or changing rooms. Academic research has found the same overseas.”
    
    Actually, the concern women have is that if female-only spaces are opened to transwomen (who are biologically male) there will be no practical way to keep any other males out. So that person who looks like a bloke following me into the public toilet might be transgender and simply not far along the transition process yet (or may have decided not to physically transition at all. It isn’t a requirement, after all), or it might be a rapist.
    I’ve got no way to distinguish between the two with any certainty and no right to challenge them either, in case I hurt someone’s feelings.
    
    Naturally, the Herald is not allowing comments on this article, to keep the narrative clean.
    
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    May 2, 2023 1:27pm
- Sacha
  
  Look. Even when I had a significant other we didn’t go to the loo together – we only had one – so why should I share with other people I don’t know? 99 times out of a hundred it would be uneventful, but maybe the 100th would not.
  Many sporting events have rows of portaloos side-by-side and people go in and out in public, but a row of cubicles tucked away, & out of sight in a basement is not appealing at all.
  
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  May 2, 2023 10:46am
  - Che Guava
    
    I’ve often thought that public changing rooms should really be defined by sexual preference. Isn’t the possibility of “things” happening really the basis for the male/female distinction? Thus, logically, shouldn’t gay men change with straight women, and gay women with straight men?
    
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    May 2, 2023 11:10am
- Ghost
  
  Most the public toilets are unisex here, the gyms have unisex changing rooms with cubicles with lockable doors. No one cares they get changed and go about their busiensses
  
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  May 2, 2023 11:04am
- thirteenstars
  
  If you want truly unisex toilets you simply have individual toilets. Imagine a hallway with a row of doors. Each contains a toilet, just like you have at home. Each one is entirely private.
  
  But you’ll notice the usual implementation of unisex facilities is one big bathroom with individual cubicles, just like a women’s bathroom is now. This is the sketchy bit. It’s also the goal of the activists. They don’t want individual toilets, they want everyone mixing in the same space.
  
  That’s because the goal is disruption, cognitive dissonance, getting in your face–YOUR face–leaving you nowhere to hide from their agenda of cultural destruction.
  
  They want real men and real women to see them, the trans, in the same space. They want women, men, young boys, young girls, to see men dressed in frocks doing their makeup at the same mirror. It’s giving the finger. It’s spitting in the face. It’s about anger, hate and destruction.
  
  And they learn it in the public school system you pay for.
  
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  May 2, 2023 11:39am
  - Ghost
    
    Basically how public toilets are built now down here, single row, all unisex and a disabled toilet. Even our hospitals public toilets are unisex.
    
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    May 2, 2023 11:52am
    - thirteenstars
      
      You’re saying the individual toilets are accessed off a public hallway? There’s no ante room or common hand basin/mirror area?
      
      If so, good. If not, it’s a problem.
      
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      May 2, 2023 11:56am
      - Ghost
        
        The hand basin and mirror are in the toilet stalls.
        
        The hospital has two public toilets. One is off the hall no where to wait but in the hall. The other is in a room at the entrance with several cubicles and a security camera, but also that one has the security guard desk right outside the door. The new council toilets are rows of single cubicles outside.
        
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        May 2, 2023 12:10pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        “The new council toilets are rows of single cubicles outside.”
        
        Excellent. That’s the way to do it.
        
        As per my original comment, it’s not a cubicle that’s the private space, it’s the wider bathroom area that’s actually the private space, and for men and women, girls, boys, trans, to all mix in that area makes a mockery of the idea of private cubicles.
        
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        May 2, 2023 12:17pm
      - Asterius Mario
        
        Unisex toilets are fine, although expensive.
        
        Changing rooms (locker rooms in the USA) are another matter entirely. Are you going to have individual cubicles with toilets, showers, and storage facilities? At what cost? Arguably such an arrangement detracts from the comraderie experienced by sports teams in the changing room.
        
        This came to a head in the USA when the ‘trans’ swimmer Lia Thomas (a giant 6 feet 2 inch man) displayed his penis to his fellow female swimmers in the locker room.
        
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        May 2, 2023 12:37pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        “Unisex toilets are fine, although expensive.”
        
        Perhaps a trans tax?
        
        Changing rooms are a different matter. Segregation is absolutely required. But the solution is pretty simple and requires no change. The women have their own changing room, and a unisex.
        
        Think about it. The unisex won’t be used by women. Men will use it, and so will trans.
        
        Actually the same could easily apply to toilets, one for women, and a unisex.
        
        Men don’t need a safe space. Anyone in a unisex toilet approaches a man in the wrong way, they’re going to have a very bad day. Women don’t have that option.
        
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        May 2, 2023 1:01pm
  - lifesgood
    
    The new hotel at North Wharf Auckland has these individual toilets opening onto a hallway. I think they’re brilliant. As a grandparent I am very concerned about my grand daughters going into women’s toilets where freaks are lurking. It is beyond a joke.
    
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    May 2, 2023 12:10pm
    - Ghost
      
      I think they’ve taken a lot of stress out of taking a kid to the toilet. Stopping at the new public toilets when traveling you see the parents sitting in the cars while the kids run into the individual stalls. I think they’re much safer.
      
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      May 2, 2023 12:21pm
      - MCōs
        
        I went to the mens dunnys at some popular museum in London.
        It was full of young school boys creating havoc because their female teachers couldn’t go in there and sort them out.
        
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        May 2, 2023 1:18pm
  - Che Guava
    
    There’s a clear inconsistency here. You seem to recognise the problem and the underlying aims of transgenderism and associated anti-human and anti-social ideologies, yet your position on other matters seems to indicate that you are completely oblivious to the fact that it is coming directly out of the United States Empire, which you vehemently deny even exists. While they’ve obviously got all of the kinetic firepower at their disposal, LGBTQI, anti-White and anti-national ideologies are further weapons of conquest and colonisation. But “go NATO” right?
    
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    May 2, 2023 12:57pm
- Ruawai
  
  Wait for the outrage when actual men realise they will now have to queue for the toilets at stadiums like women have forever.
  
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  May 2, 2023 12:35pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Hopefully, it will inspire the provision of adequate toilets so everyone can both answer the call of nature and get themselves a drink and an ice-cream during interval.
    
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    May 2, 2023 1:43pm
Maggie Pie

If the headline from the ABC is to be believed, it sounds like Chippie has set himself a fairly tight deadline.
But I’m sure he can get it done….. 😀

https://twitter.com/abcnews/status/1652946099399712769
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May 2, 2023 8:09am
- Ghost
  
  Interesting photo, looks like he has spat out the dummy and about to cry over it
  
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  May 2, 2023 8:15am
  - Nickc2
    
    That look tells me his mummy won’t give him the car keys.
    
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    May 2, 2023 8:31am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He always looks like he is about to vomit or cry
    
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    May 2, 2023 10:13am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Yes on election night when vomits all over National you will know who has the last laugh.
      
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      May 2, 2023 1:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Before Saturday? Better get his arse into gear then.
  Oh wait, I don’t think he knows what a Woman is yet.
  
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  May 2, 2023 8:34am
- Gravelroad
  
  He is a boy doing a woman’s job.
  I don’t want Mr Hipkins representing me on the world stage at an event for which he has no regard.
  Just another cynical opportunist.
  “Ha ha, I went to the King’s coronation even though I don’t support the monarchy – but hey – election year.”
  Snigger.
  
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  May 2, 2023 8:41am
  - kowtow
    
    There’s a Sinn Fein woman going.
    
    The political wing of the IRA . They killed CIIIR’s great uncle.
    
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    May 2, 2023 9:12am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      And Mountbattens grandson, The Baroness Brabourne (mother of Mountbatten’s son in law) and a young Irish lad who was a deck hand. Mountbatten went on holiday to his summer home in County Sligo every year. And knew of the threats by the IRA. The 79 year old apparently said “Who the hell would want to kill an old duffer anyway?”
      The execution of Mountbatten was followed a few days later by the ambush and killing of 18 British soldiers.
      
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      May 2, 2023 10:29am
    - Che Guava
      
      Sinn Fein aren’t Irish nationalists any longer, from what I can see. They support mass immigration into Ireland like almost every other party, and agree that any other position is “unacceptable.”
      
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      May 2, 2023 11:13am
      - coge
        
        What’s their position on climate change?
        
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        May 2, 2023 12:19pm
      - Che Guava
        
        Not sure. But if they are pro-mass immigration, then it follows that they can’t be too concerned about climate change, given that migrants increase their emissions by 300% or more when they move to more developed (and therefore higher consumption) areas.
        
        “The findings of this study indicate that future levels of immigration will have a significant impact on efforts to reduce global CO2 emissions. Immigration to the United States significantly increases world-wide CO2 emissions because it transfers population from lower-polluting parts of the world to the United States, which is a higher-polluting country. On average immigrants increase their emissions four-fold by coming to America.”
        
        https://cis.org/Report/Immigration-United-States-and-WorldWide-Greenhouse-Gas-Emissions
        
        Globalisation is incompatible with claims of wanting to reduce emissions, a contradiction that by itself gives the lie to climate alarmism.
        
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        May 2, 2023 12:36pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        No indeed, they’ve become another group of troughers promising everything and delivering nothing.
        Sounds sadly familiar doesn’t it?
        
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        May 2, 2023 12:38pm
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        Che bro – What is their position on taxing rich pricks?
        
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        May 2, 2023 1:57pm
  - blue collar
    
    He’s not even our prime minister ….. no one voted for him .
    
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    May 2, 2023 11:39am
    - Ghost
      
      We don’t vote for prime Minister, we vote for parties and the leader of the party is the pm, just as it was when English became prime minister
      
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      May 2, 2023 11:54am
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        Nice one Ghost bro. Also remind blue collar that “we” voted cindy
        
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        May 2, 2023 2:25pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Media boosting that Hipkins is taking Luxon with him and why, Hipkins will be there now, yet Luxon stays to attend parliament as Hipkins should have, no questions to answer.
  
  Was Luxon invited, or did he go because he had a parliamentary obligation?
  
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  May 2, 2023 10:12am
Burtland

another quango for the scrap heap …

Nana’s Productivity Commission has made six new recommendations – seems more government is the answer

1. Adopt a better process for selecting focus areas
2. Improve governance arrangements
3. Increase funding for focus areas
4. Facilitate Māori leadership and voice
5. Make sure efforts are aligned
6. Embed a monitoring and evaluation system

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/489068/call-for-bolder-efforts-to-shift-the-productivity-dial-in-nz
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May 2, 2023 8:13am
- NothingLeft
  
  CLearly just flushing taxpayer money down the shitter, though I bet their meetings and team building and xmas functions are beautifully catered in the name of productivity!! Wellington overflowing with waste (figuratively, and frequently literally)
  
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  May 2, 2023 10:10am
- Taieri
  
  Productivity Commission has made six new recommendations
  —————
  
  All are absolutely meaningless.
  
  Another bunch of oxygen thieves, which serves no useful purpose, just like all those other “independent” commissions.
  
  A review conducted in 2018 sums up its operational model:
  
  “This Productivity Commission model provides high quality work on issues nominated by the government. But it can be difficult to trace a clear link between this work and a meaningful impact on productivity performance (even taking the inquiries collectively).”
  
  https://www.treasury.govt.nz/sites/default/files/2020-02/prod-comm-insights-paper.pdf
  
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  May 2, 2023 10:25am
  - gravedodger
    
    An actual “Productivity Commission” made up of suitably qualified persons would disband itself at a first meeting to fulfil its Raison d’etre.
    
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    May 2, 2023 1:45pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Yeah, the Commission for the Future did that, if I remember correctly
      
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      May 2, 2023 7:07pm
- Grunter
  
  More central planning and racism – Yep, that will lift productivity.
  
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  May 2, 2023 10:26am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Lol. And they paid someone to do this. And “increase funding”. No surprises there. Labour constantly increase funding and constantly fail to improve anything. And the good news is “Maori leadership”. Well, you can kiss the funding goodbye. It will be pocketed by grifters.
  
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  May 2, 2023 10:31am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Do these assholes in Wellington ever actually DO anything? They seem to have “meetings” and “consult” a lot.
  
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  May 2, 2023 12:43pm
- Gravelroad
  
  @Burtland-
  First there needs to be a definition of “productivity”.
  What does this entail in NZ in 2023 and beyond?
  These muppets have no idea, so how are the people who do the work to produce something out here supposed to know?
  Many, many people do not want what is loosely called primary production because of climate change and environmental feelz and “rich farmers’.
  What will replace it?
  
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  May 2, 2023 1:06pm
  - Burtland
    
    Established in 2010 – current Crown Revenue $6M
    Board of Commissioners
    Ganesh Nana $305k –
    Gail Pacheco $160k – Gender Equity
    Andrew Sweet $87k – ETS Architect
    and low and behold Marxist Union Economist and ex-bus driver
    Dr Bill Rosenberg $96k
    so its actually a trough
    
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    May 2, 2023 8:22pm
pdm

NZ Transport Agency in Hawkes Bay advertising 12 weeks of road workds, including a temporary round a bout.

They are so efficient with their 90 ODD publicity people that they give no indication as to where the work is being done or when it will start.

Plus we all know that 12 weeks work will most likely be closer to 20 weeks plodding along.
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May 2, 2023 8:16am
- Waipuk
  
  Given the time it is taking to complete the road works between Hastings and Otane it will be more like 3 years.
  
  Yes there was Covid but why shut down a project when they were working outside.
  
  Plus it was an exercise in completing one task at a time then waiting a few weeks before carrying on with the next task.
  
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  May 2, 2023 12:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Just watching the idiot box. An item about EVs and petrol cars. NZ may have to import X million liters of petrol. Did not catch all.
Are there any studies being done on costs of petrol v cost of electric charging?
Electricity is not free, you still have to pay. Charge at work? Who pays? Is that taxable re fringe benefit?
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May 2, 2023 8:19am
- Tricati
  
  When Genter introduced the scheme all we heard was it will be fiscally neutral and not a burden on the tax payer. What absolute rubbish.
  They now herald the success of the scheme by the number of EV’s being bought, and who wouldn’t when the tax payer is subsidizing them. Not the low social economic people, but those that can afford the things, and now to make it work, Labour up the tax on the rural and trades people in NZ by increases the tax on a new ute – They really do hate the rural sector and hard-working tradespeople.
  
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  May 2, 2023 8:29am
  - Burtland
    
    so does it reduce emissions?
    maybe
    do they crush the clunkers?
    well no
    so the clunkers still remain on the road
    yep yep yep
    
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    May 2, 2023 8:31pm
- Burtland
  
  cheaper to run but more expensive to buy – hence the tax payer subsidy
  
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  May 2, 2023 8:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So I want a Ute for my work and I have to give a townie a discount for the EV?
    Yes that makes sense.//
    
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    May 2, 2023 5:57pm
- Asterius Mario
  
  Electric motors are more efficient than internal combustion engines. At New Zealand prices, the costs of electricity to drive an EV a given distance would be orders of magnitude lower than the costs of petrol for an ICE car.
  
  The barrier to ownership of EVs is the purchase price. For the vast majority of owners it will be cheaper to buy a small efficient hybrid such as a Toyota Yarris. This gets more than 1,000 km from a tank of fuel with a purchase price of less than 30000 dollars compared to about 60000 for an equivalent size EV.
  
  On your question a about charging at work, if there were several people charging their EVs every day the cost to am employer would be considerable. Some employers have prohibited such charging.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/130789906/fire-and-emergency-bans-staff-from-charging-electric-cars-at-fire-stations
  
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  May 2, 2023 8:37am
  - alloytoo
    
    Just remember that the “E” in EV stands for “External” combustion.
    
    Only about 80% of our electrical generation is renewables, the balance is thermal, so anything we add to the grid is Thermal.
    
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    May 2, 2023 9:14am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Nonsense. Just about all new generation capacity that is being added is wind. It is rare that only 80% of daily generation is renewable. Usually it is much higher than that.
      
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      May 2, 2023 3:42pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Wayne, how much CO2 is used in mining the minerals for a wind mill and building it and tranporting it to NZ?
        
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        May 2, 2023 5:36pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        FYI
        
        The Great Renewable Energy Con explained by Dr Benny Peiser
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIXncWdwS-s
        
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        May 2, 2023 5:39pm
      - alloytoo
        
        And all of it require reliable backup because it’s so useless. Usually thermal.
        
        Nuclear power delivers 90%+ for 90%+ of the time (Conservatively)
        
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        May 15, 2023 7:00am
  - RoboRob
    
    Megan Woods woefull management of the energy supply is going to come home to roost. Expect Brown outs / balck outs this winter and rapidly rising prices for the next 5-10 yrs.
    
    EVs are great but Labour have not provided for the power to charge them or the funding of the roads (they currently pat $0 towards roading).
    
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    May 2, 2023 9:21am
    - Ghost
      
      If we have power cuts this winter, it will be because of successive governments ignoring the electricity infrastructure
      
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      May 2, 2023 9:28am
      - RoboRob
        
        No it wont. Labour have closed stations and blocked new generation that arent wind. This is all on Labour. 5yrs ago there was ample supply and plans for new generation.
        
        Yes National failed to fix the RMA (didn’t minor parties block it?) but the issue was not dire when Labour came in. Megan knew there were issues and proceeded to make it worse.
        
        It might suit you to deflect away from Labour but its their fault. If National comes in this election and in 5yrs time fixes aren’t underway, it will be Nationals fault too.
        
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        May 2, 2023 9:45am
      - bjools
        
        Only Labour
        Remwmber Auckland being cut off because the Clark govt. FAILED to maintain the lines between Hamilton and Auckland (they fell down).
        No such thing happened under Key.
        and now we have issues again…and we have a……Labour “Govt.” (to call it a Government is bordering on misnomer)
        
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        May 2, 2023 9:55am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      There isn’t enough raw material to produce the required batteries let alone the energy cost to charge them. It’s a fringe lunatic idea. It’s a feel good for virtue signaling people and it’s being subsidised by those who actually produce wealth. Tradies and farmers.
      Like almost everything this government touches, ideological insanity.
      
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      May 2, 2023 9:53am
      - Lance
        
        There are big bucks in battery tech now. Solutions to avoiding rare metals are well underway. I have seen several promising research results.
        It takes a while from lab to production, but the shortage of lithium and rare earths for the motor are all solvable, just a matter of time.
        The elephant in the room is the power generation. There isn’t enough for the coming EV increase…. anywhere.
        
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        May 2, 2023 10:09am
      - Local Miller
        
        Not only the rare earth component. Electric motors have a lot of copper in them, to move to EVs at the currently desired rate would require the same amount of copper we have mined in total in the world to be mined each year for the next 20 to 30 years. There simply isn’t enough copper being mined at the moment, and probably never will be.
        @Lance, Let me know when they find an alternative to copper for the motor.
        
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        May 2, 2023 1:58pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Labour have closed stations and blocked new generation
      
      Sounds serious ..
      
      Can you identify the stations that the government has closed? And something about the new ones that have been blocked?
      
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      May 2, 2023 5:08pm
      - Matt Long
        
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/397955/decision-to-block-west-coast-hydro-scheme-absolute-madness-says-ngati-waewae
        So you ever read the news, Ian?
        
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        May 2, 2023 7:13pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        I wondered if someone would menton that one. I think it was something like 20Mw . I suppose every little bit helps ….
        
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        May 3, 2023 9:13am
  - bjools
    
    So…some back of a napkin maths.
    $30000 extra cost for the EV
    A yaris has a tank less than $100 to fill.
    The average person does less than 10000Km per year, so 10 tanks, ie $1000 per year
    so 30 years to catch up (if electric is free).
    Since EV’s are heavier, ie wear on tyres is more
    plus in 30 years you are going to have to change the battery twice.
    Assuming all other maintenance costs are the same?
    
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    May 2, 2023 9:41am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      The ICE is taxed through the roof, it subsidises the electric vehicles.
      
      There isn’t enough lithium on the planet to support the required vehicle fleet, the practices used to extract what is available are environmentally horrendous, they don’t know how to dispose of the environmentally horrendous batteries.
      If every vehicle in NZ became electric, even if they could produce enough electricity to power them, (they can’t), the conversion process would involve a massive loss of efficiency.
      Take the subsidies away from electric vehicles, make them contribute towards the roads, take the excessive taxes off ICE vehicles, then tell me how amazing electric vehicles are.
      
      “Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be transformed” and every transformation involves a loss of efficiency.
      
      The whole concept is ideological nonsense. Nice thought, but totally impractical with current technology. We are all being forced to participate in the UN fantasy detailed in Agenda 2030 and the equally insane Sustainable Development Goals.
      
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      May 2, 2023 10:09am
  - Ruawai
    
    EV’s need to start paying road user charges.
    
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    May 2, 2023 12:41pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I imagine that the price of electricity will go up for everybody once EVs start loading up our trembling grid appreciably. If and when Huntly gets closed down (I gather that its life has already been extended a couple of times) I’ll be going out to get a generator. They’re talking about using wood pellets at Huntly, which will only put prices through the roof.
  Right now, if you charge your EV at home, I think it’s still pretty cheap when compared to petrol.
  
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  May 2, 2023 8:38am
  - Asterius Mario
    
    Despite searching, I cannot find any modelling of the demand for electricity to charge a significant EV fleet, eg 80 percent of the light passenger vehicles being EVs. Surely this has been undertaken?
    
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    May 2, 2023 8:46am
    - Tomtoddy
      
      Dr Michael Kelly ex Victoria University has done work on it. It doesn’t take many EV’s to crash our generation/transmission system.
      
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      May 2, 2023 9:11am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Discussed here…
        
        https://www.climateconversation.org.nz/2020/05/the-nz-ambition-to-replace-internal-combustion-engines-with-electric-cars/
        
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        May 2, 2023 10:58am
    - RoboRob
      
      Megan Woods inaugural speech was on the need to increase NZs electricity supply by 30? Mwh each year. She has proceeded to do NOTHING. Check https://www.transpower.co.nz/system-operator/live-system-and-market-data/consolidated-live-data and you will see that while Wind has high potential supply, almost every day Coal and Gas are used to generate more power then Wind. You don’t do that unless you need to.
      
      If I look right now..
      
      Wind 162
      Coal 81
      Gas 658
      
      The only generation we are building is Wind and yet most of the time the output is minimal. We have no control over it. Madness
      
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      May 2, 2023 9:27am
    - JJ56
      
      Take petrol consumption as the light fleet, 80% is around 80PJs p.a.. EVs use about 40% of the energy of a ICE, so 32PJ. Easy with known wind and geothermal. Transpower’s forecasts of demand include this.
      
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      May 2, 2023 9:49am
      - Burtland
        
        2x Manapouri to power the light fleet, 3x by 2035.
        
        Big investment will be required to shift everything to electricity – something similar to COVID spend – not so easy
        
        https://www.bcg.com/publications/2022/climate-change-in-new-zealand
        
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        May 2, 2023 1:20pm
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      You can get a bit of a back-of-the-envelope idea about the peak demand by doing a wee bit of simple maths (I’m sure I’ll get corrected if I stuff this simple maths up 🙂 ).
      If we assume that your average home charger is capable of charging at 5KW, and 1000,000 EVs arrive home from work at 5:00pm the additional demand on the system will be 1000,000 * 5KW, or 5GW total, at least until the chargers start tapering off.
      Current demand according to Transpower is 5GW, so I think it’s reasonable to say that peak demand due to EVs getting plugged in when they get home after work could conceivably double the demand on the network at least for short periods of time.
      On top of the grid as a whole not being able to cope, I’m sure that the local distribution networks (transformers/cables etc) will also struggle to supply the current required to charge piles of EVs at one time.
      
      I doubt there’s any way our network could withstand that.
      
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      May 2, 2023 9:52am
      - Lance
        
        This can has been kicked down the road for at least 14 years (probably much longer). I was involved with projects for grid stabilising with the looming EV surge in 2009. The power co’s and the govt all want it, but nobody wants to pay for it.
        And so it continues today except the EVs have arrived now and are growing in number, fast.
        
        BTW, another BIG issue is unbalancing local transformers, a huge headache EVs pose and nobody wants to pay to fix.
        
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        May 2, 2023 10:16am
      - SoloView
        
        @ Chris
        I agree that our network may have problems with the extra load of power required.
        
        However if power is markedly dearer at 5:00pm (and other peak times), perhaps people will tend to charge vehicles more at off peak times thus reducing peak loads.
        
        Domestic examples that spring to mind are hot water, dishwasher and clothes washing/drying which many people already use with day/night rates.
        
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        May 2, 2023 12:06pm
      - Burtland
        
        EVs will have to charge during daylight hours when solar is available and the wind is blowing.
        
        Grid strengthening will be a massive cost
        
        https://www.bcg.com/publications/2022/climate-change-in-new-zealand
        
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        May 2, 2023 1:26pm
      - Drone
        
        A really good back-of-an-envelope calc @Chris but don’t worry the Tesla Tax on Utes will be spent on upgrading the electricity network. A double benefit brought to you by the Labour government.
        
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        May 2, 2023 1:52pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    The price will go up before then. Labour may have twiddled their thumbs over new generation but National actually plan to get it done with law changes enabling massively more “sustainable”, and much more expensive, generation capacity.
    
    https://www.national.org.nz/electrifynz
    
    This alone will rocket power prices since it has to occur before any significant EV uptake.
    
    National, the more efficient Labour Party.
    
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    May 2, 2023 12:06pm
    - Drone
      
      @thirteenstars the link you provided is interesting in that it identifies actions that need to be taken to progress towards an electric future. I’m not going to argue whether or not that is achievable or not. Currently, installed wind generation in NZ is about a GW, but hardly ever generates more than approximately 25% of installed capacity. To rely on wind generation we would need to build enough turbines to generate another 5 GW. Given we currently get about 25% out of the currently installed base (because of the variability of wind) we would need to have an installed base of 20 GW to generate the 5 GW we need for the predicted load. Which today would require 20 times as many wind turbines (this simplistically ignores the improvements in tower and turbine design that may happen over time). Not sure this is going to happen in my lifetime.
      
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      May 2, 2023 9:06pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  As an EV owner for seven years I have a bit of experience with the cost of charging EV’s.
  
  To drive 100 km requires about 15 KwH. If you pay $0.35 per KwH the cost to drive 100 km is $5.25.
  
  If you charge at night with lower priced electricity it can cost less.
  
  If you drive less than 25 km per day you might be able to charge for free because some power companies give you an hour of power for free every day.
  
  If you consider all costs, including maintenance, then driving an EV can be a lot less costly than driving an ICE car. In seven years of driving our Nissan LEAF we only paid for two tires and windshield wipers. WOF and rego costs are the same as ICE cars.
  
  Eventually EV’s will also be required to pay road user charges
  
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  May 2, 2023 8:48am
  - bjools
    
    There are a number of important factors that will impact the longevity of your tyres, some that you have control over and others that you don’t. The average tyre should last for at least 40,000 km’s, or 2 – 3 years, however a great deal depends on how you use your vehicle.
    So if you have only replaced 2 tyres in 7 yrs, you have only driven about 30000km in 7 years ie 4300Km per year (11Km per day). A small ICE would use less tyres.
    
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    May 2, 2023 9:50am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I thought road risers was to come in on 1 July last year but was delayed by one year, I don’t remember it being extended, my mate has a very expensive EV, he is resigned to the fact he will be paying ruc
    
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    May 2, 2023 10:36am
  - Taieri
    
    For comparison.
    I drive a diesel car purchased new in 2007 for $25K, currently with just over 85K km on the clock. It uses approx. 5.4 ltrs of fuel per 100 km. At the current cost (the lowest price at Pak’n’Slave) $1.69 per litre it costs $9.13 to drive 100 km. The road user charges are additional to the above cost. In 15 and half years I’ve owned this car, I paid for one full set of tires and one new battery, plus an annual service.
    So, yes, an electric car is considerably cheaper to operate when we consider the above example. To get a full picture, we would also have to take into account the difference in the purchase price of both vehicles. There’s also another factor, which could be a bit difficult to put a value on. This is the range and reliability. I can drive from Invercargill to Picton on a single tank of fuel. Never had any problems with performance etc.
    
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    May 2, 2023 10:40am
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      Resale value should also be considered.
      
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      May 2, 2023 10:59am
  - rockape
    
    Have you factored in the higher cost of an ev over ten years ?
    
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    May 2, 2023 11:59am
  - thirteenstars
    
    “To drive 100 km requires about 15 KwH. If you pay $0.35 per KwH the cost to drive 100 km is $5.25.”
    
    That’s not really the point.
    
    As large amounts of wind/solar generation come onstream the price of power will go up massively because of the cost of that generation and its unreliable output.
    
    Not only will that mean charging an EV will go up, but–and this is the important point–the cost of all power usage will go up. Factories, homes, public facilities, everything will experience power price jumps.
    
    What you save on charging your EV you’ll spend many times over with the general rise in power costs.
    
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    May 2, 2023 12:13pm
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      I agree that the price of electricity is going to go up. So is the price of petrol.
      
      There will be some limitation to what power companies can do to increase the price of electricity because solar panels are getting cheaper and as electric prices rise, more people will invest in solar.
      
      We put 5.3 Kw of solar on our roof five years ago and the return on investment has been much better than what bank term accounts provide. Also we don’t have to pay income taxes on the power the panels provide.
      
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      May 2, 2023 6:39pm
      - info@cruzpro.com
        
        Kudos to the moderators who are still reading at this time of night – thank you!
        
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        May 2, 2023 6:58pm
cas

Parker may not have to do his envy tax after all.

With the modest increase in super this year, and the lift in interest rates for term deposits, any pensioner with those and a few shares which pay dividends will probably go up to the next tax bracket and thus pay more.
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May 2, 2023 8:26am
- RoboRob
  
  Pensioners with savings (second house rented or investments) are a prime target for the wealth tax, along with Kiwisaver (savings for retirement). As mentioned elsewhere today, the total take from the 311 most wealthy isn’t going to cut it.
  
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  May 2, 2023 9:49am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Realistically if there is going to some sort of capital tax …. there are just two options
    
    A CGT that excludes the family home with a discount to allow for inflation. Precise inflation indexing is a bit hard (the Aussied tried) so 50% seems like a workable figure. Collected on realisation of the asset because taxing notional gains is too hard.
    
    Or a capital charge – family home excluded again. Something like 1-2% of value. Easy enough with real estate and shares – a bit harder with things like businesses.
    
    We tax income. We tax consumption. Unlike the rest of the OECD we don’t tax capital. There is no evidence to suggest that leaving capital out of the mix is turning us into a wealthier country …
    
    Go figure.
    
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    May 2, 2023 5:22pm
    - RoboRob
      
      Not all of the OECD has a CGT.
      
      There is plenty of evidence that CGT does nothing to deal with inequity or house prices.
      
      Labour previously outlined their CGT plans. We can only base what a NZ CGT would be based on what Labour have said, not made up options like yours.
      
      We know it was to be …
      A CGT on second and subsequent homes
      No factoring in of inflation (i.e. taxed on inflation)
      No factoring in of losses. Losses cannot be claimed back against future tax.
      
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      May 3, 2023 8:47am
Maggie Pie

Since the gubmint relaxed the criteria for skilled migrants to enter the country, let’s hope we can attract a lot more from Chynah…. especially if they’re like my twitter-bestie Wei Wu.

https://twitter.com/WuWei113/status/1652691176149884930
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May 2, 2023 8:34am
- pdm
  
  Get him signed up for the tennis club quickly Maggie.
  
  There will be a lot of competition for your bestie.
  
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  May 2, 2023 8:48am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Wei’s a GIRL …..ya’ nong!
    
    https://twitter.com/WuWei113
    
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    May 2, 2023 8:58am
    - mawm
      
      Allegedly. It is also a parody account so he/she/it could be any one of the 87 genders.
      
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      May 2, 2023 11:51am
BeaB

Hipkins has a guest list of men for the coronation. The GG is there in her own right and the Māori king is taking his wife.
So no NZ women were considered suitable to be invited?
And none of the 50% woman Labour cabinet thought the guest list a bit too male?
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May 2, 2023 8:38am
- Ghost
  
  Woman going to the coronation
  
  Dame Naida Glavish, Lorraine Toki, Sarah Smart, Rebecca Scown, Dame Cindy Kiro, Makau Ariki Atawhai
  
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  May 2, 2023 9:24am
  - Taieri
    
    Dr Ardern not invited?
    
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    May 2, 2023 10:44am
    - Ghost
      
      Working for Williams charity I have been wondering if she will turn up there
      
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      May 2, 2023 10:47am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I bet she bloody does
        
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        May 2, 2023 11:43am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  But media said Hipkins invited Luxon, but he appears to be going his own thing and will attend parliament Today and tomorrow
  
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  May 2, 2023 10:38am
  - Ghost
    
    Because luxon doesn’t have the meetings before the coronation that hipkins does
    
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    May 2, 2023 10:41am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      What does that have yo do with media saying Hipkins invited Luxon and why, when it appears he is doing his own thing
      
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      May 2, 2023 11:42am
      - Ghost
        
        Has to do with you whinging that luxon will be in parliament as hipkins should be. Hipkins has meetings in the uk as the prime minister before the coronation,, luxon doesn’t so he can leave latter.
        
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        May 2, 2023 11:50am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Australians should be wary of scare stories about the Waitangi Tribunal.

Tribunal has veto powers over Parliament? NZ should be wary of scare stories as well.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/australians-should-be-wary-of-scare-stories-about-the-waitangi-tribunal/ar-AA1aBzmI
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May 2, 2023 8:42am
Tomtoddy

It is worth exploring the whole issue around taxing the wealthy – not just the bits that suit the green eyed, socialists.

Fact is that the ‘ratbag’ 311 wealthy increased their wealth by $70 million over the last 6 years. Thats $11.66 million per year. So the jealous want to tax them – lets say at 90 cents in the dollar. That raises $10.5 million from 311 taxpayers or $3.265 billion a year.

Govt expenditure rose $15 billion last year so even if the wealthy paid 90 cents in the dollar (which would never happen) on their increased wealth it would barely cover a quarter of the Govt’s increased expenditure.

Of course, taxing that increased wealth means that there will be significantly less increase in wealth the following year so its a one off hit.
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May 2, 2023 8:50am
- RoboRob
  
  This 100%
  
  The wealthy 311 (interesting cut off point) are just the tempter to fool the sheeple. The real target and the middle up. Everyone with a Kiwisaver account (they are shares / company ownership).
  
  The govt has got us all saving and now they want a cut (all of?) any gains we make.
  
  Oh and btw they want be allowing offsets from losses. We will pay tax on any profit and suck up any losses made.
  
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  May 2, 2023 9:33am
- Taieri
  
  Fact is that the ‘ratbag’ 311 wealthy increased their wealth by $70 million over the last 6 years.
  —————
  
  How did the less fortunate do in the last 6 years then?
  
  My house is a pretty average 3+2 brick and tile built in the 1940s, although it has been modernised some 20 years ago or so. The paper “value” of this house (based on the rateable value assessment) increased by 118.51 % in the last 6 years. But it is still pretty much the same house as it was in 2017, just 6 years older. Has it made me “rich”? I don’t think so, but may be I am not entirely objective. Should I then pay tax on all this recently acquired wealth?
  
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  May 2, 2023 11:01am
  - RoboRob
    
    Thats exactly what Labour wants you to do.
    
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    May 2, 2023 11:31am
  - mawm
    
    Your wealth hasn’t increased but the value of your dollar has decreased and the value put on your land and improvements has been hyperinflated to increase your contribution to increased Council spending without seemingly raising rates excessively.
    
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    May 2, 2023 11:57am
  - kevn
    
    @Taieri… Anybody with a house can be deemed a rich prick. Some sort of tax is planned.
    
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    May 2, 2023 2:42pm
Maggie Pie

Hosk tells Deputy PM Caramel Sepuloni….. “Next time I’ll delay returning my Census forms so I can get a free Warriors ticket and the $25 KFC voucher.”

Not silly 😎
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May 2, 2023 8:52am
- Ghost
  
  Numbers haven’t changed much since last week, maybe they should offer a free vax to all who don’t do it
  
  Census response update
  
  As of 9am Monday 1 May 2023, 4,408,894 people have returned their Individual Forms. Learn more about the census tally.
  
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  May 2, 2023 8:56am
  - RoboRob
    
    Well they have tried the carrot, perhaps they need to start with the ‘stick’ and fine people. Lets see how well that goes 🙂
    
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    May 2, 2023 9:34am
    - Dougal10
      
      You can’t use a stick now you have offered special people warriors tickets .
      
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      May 2, 2023 9:43am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        I thought KFC & Warriors tickets WAS the stick
        
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        May 2, 2023 12:33pm
  - Drone
    
    Well @Ghost in lieu of a better estimate perhaps this is the actual number of people residing in New Zealand despite the fact we are being told there are more. Maybe they left Unicorn Island when [Mod – use correct names] wasn’t looking.
    
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    May 2, 2023 2:01pm
- Dougal10
  
  At the beginning of every topic with mike she pretended to know nothing about it , but as mike lured her in , her pretending not to know fell apart. That she is as evasive with the truth as the previous deputy pm is telling.
  
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  May 2, 2023 9:42am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Hosk, Hosk, Hosk! Sheesh, you have the wrong skin colour to get the Warriors ticket and voucher. He’s being a very silly man.
  
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  May 2, 2023 10:34am
- MCōs
  
  Did the fool actually say that?
  He wouldn’t be seen dead eating KFC at a Warriors game.
  
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  May 2, 2023 1:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Spark’s xtra email is down. Planned maintenance at this hour? No warning.
Why don’t they tell the truth? Telecom days there would be an issue. Phone would ring and ring and ring. ‘Is something wrong?’ ‘No’ ‘Well why did it take you so long to answer the phone?’
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May 2, 2023 9:03am
- Ghost
  
  There’s problems going on with spark and their skinny branch this morning.
  
  We are currently aware of an issue impacting our back-end systems. This means customers may be unable to call Spark, access our website, app, voicemail services or their Xtramail. Because our systems are currently down, we may also need to delay the opening of some of our stores as we are unable to process transactions or access our systems to support customers with any enquiries. Please note customers’ broadband, landline and mobile services are unaffected. We are working with urgency to get our back-end systems up and running and will update customers here as we know more. We apologise for any inconvenience caused.
  
  Facebook
  
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  May 2, 2023 9:09am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Well maybe they can clean up their act. I get a lot of spam from myself. People in Spark use my email address to send rubbish to me. If I blacklist, I block my own emails.
    Dig deeper and find who it is, but I can’t reply!
    Long overdue for a cleanout. There are people working there that are not doing Spark/xtra work.
    
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    May 2, 2023 9:26am
    - Ghost
      
      Don’t ever use your main email to sign up to anything. Did you use it to sign up to stop co governance because if so that email address would have been sold on to spammers
      
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      May 2, 2023 9:30am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Just like Meta sells your information to anyone who will pay and Tik Tok just gives it to the CCP (cause they have to)
        
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        May 2, 2023 9:44am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I did to Co-Governance. For other queries I have 2 others.
        This hijacking is coming from inside Spark.
        
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        May 2, 2023 10:00am
      - Ghost
        
        No it’s not. When you get an email that appears to come from yourself it is just another technique of spamming. When stop co governance was hacked your email address would have been on sold. If the spam is bad create a new email address
        
        If you’ve been with spark since the yahoo days your email may of been leaked then too in the yahoo hack, we got 6 months free broadband because of that hack, lol.
        
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        May 2, 2023 10:04am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Ah, Ghost. This has been going on for years, long before Co-Governance.
        
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        May 2, 2023 11:52am
- greybeard
  
  There were similar problems with the “MyLotto” website last week, couldn’t log in for a day or so.
  I reckon they are applying changes to the websites without testing first.
  
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  May 2, 2023 9:42am
- sirknz
  
  Trying to explain to marketers why sending emails to people with xtra accounts is futile if they haven’t got your email address in their address books has driven me crazy over the years.
  
  They have their spam filters turned up to 11 and if you aren’t on the xtra whitelist, or have had more than two people use the ‘spam/junk button as a delete button on your emails, ain’t nothing getting through.
  
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  May 2, 2023 11:21am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

100,000 copies of Julian’s Book will be printed this. Those who think this movement is just a fad are wrong. It has traction.
A street march manager is wanted. Someone to deal with Police and Councils.

Let’s go Julian!

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/wanted-national-street-march-manager/
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May 2, 2023 9:14am
Nickc2

More buying compliance & votes.
The Govt is now giving out free tickets to Warrior Rugby League matches in order to bribe their favourite voters to fill out and return Census Forms at this late date.
Wasn’t the purpose of the Census to gain a ‘snapshot in time’ of the status of our country’s population? Who the eff’s going to remember the required information going back to Census date in order to satisfy Census requirements?
It’s time we declared the latest Census invalid and did a re-think.
PS: IMO, the latest Census was designed to help those who failed to complete their forms.
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May 2, 2023 9:16am
- Ghost
  
  No, don’t declare invalid. Carry out the law and fine them all. Govt needs the money that will raise
  
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  May 2, 2023 9:18am
  - mandk
    
    Agreed.
    
    We could also reduce the number of Māori seats because the number of Census forms returned by Māori makes it clear that the Māori population has been grossly overestimated.
    
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    May 2, 2023 9:36am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Last time they said the census said there should have been one less Māori seat, it did not happen, so are they over represented again?
      
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      May 2, 2023 10:47am
  - RoboRob
    
    lol. I think the govt / stats know that if they start issuing fines the people involved will ignore them. The last thing the govt wants people to realise is that the govt has no power without the buyin from the population.
    
    CHCH city council is learning this with their crazy water excess charges. I imagine many (the majority) of those receiving excess water use charges will have ignored them.
    
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    May 2, 2023 9:38am
    - Ghost
      
      They’ve already been told fines are coming. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/131876874/11-days-left-to-fill-out-census-forms-or-face-2000-fine
      
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      May 2, 2023 9:42am
      - RoboRob
        
        They told us the 25c petrol tax was definately coming back too. 4 times now.
        
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        May 2, 2023 9:51am
      - RoboRob
        
        Lol, just checked the article. Less then 100 people fined after the last census cock up. If 1m people dont fill in a census and they fine 100, doesn’t seem like a fair application of the law now does it?
        
        I wonder what made those 100 people ‘special’ enough to face charges?
        
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        May 2, 2023 9:57am
  - Nickc2
    
    Yep, that too.
    How much taxpayer money has been wasted on the latest failed Census?
    
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    May 2, 2023 9:42am
    - Ghost
      
      Well, after they’ve supplied kfc, tickets to some sports games, and a competition to win a holiday, I’d say millions just trying to get these people to do it. But hey, since the data is used to help redo the Māori electorates, Māori will be the ones that suffer not doing it.
      
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      May 2, 2023 9:46am
      - RoboRob
        
        Nope. Stats will estimate that, again, and you can be sure the outcome wont be negative for Maori.
        
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        May 2, 2023 9:52am
    - kowtow
      
      The way we manage our society they’re a waste of time anyway .
      
      They justify the huge expense by telling us it’s to plan for the future .
      
      But with immigration being such a political football there’s no chance of planning sfa.
      
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      May 2, 2023 10:43am
- Asterius Mario
  
  Says a lot about the decay of New Zealand society. The 2021 census in Australia had a response rate of 95 percent. That was in the middle of social division over COVID.
  
  We have so many dysfunctional families, especially Maori families. If they can’t get their children to school, can’t get their children their measles vaccine, don’t have a job…. it is futile to think these people will fill in a census form.
  
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  May 2, 2023 9:46am
  - Asterius Mario
    
    Just an addendum, as any statistician will tell you, a response rate of 95 percent vs 85 percent makes a massive difference to the quality of data.
    
    Also Stats NZ did not help my asking questions about gender identity. It would have annoyed the hell out of the vast majority of people. Some of them would have thrown it in the bin at reaching that question.
    
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    May 2, 2023 9:50am
    - Gravelroad
      
      @ Asterius
      The other week, newstalkzb had a high-up manager from the stats department answering questions about the purpose of the census questions.
      Included were several about gender identity and why this had been included.
      His answer was that it is important for minorities to be identified in the census so that more health and well being $$$$$$$$ can be directed towards their “needs” within the health system.
      They have to juggle grandma’s hip replacement quality of life surgery with the demands for gender realignment selective surgery apparently.
      
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      May 2, 2023 10:39am
      - Asterius Mario
        
        Most transgender folk need to leave New Zealand for sex change surgery.
        
        Surprised me to learn that the leading place to go for this surgery is Iran.
        
        https://ariamedtour.com/procedures/gender-reassignment/
        
        It seems the Muslim clerics hate gay folk but are totally cool with sex change surgery. 🙂
        
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        May 2, 2023 11:19am
    - Sacha
      
      Yes, I nearly did.
      Instead I put a ” – ” as the answer.
      
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      May 2, 2023 11:26am
    - Swifty
      
      “…as any statistician will tell you, a response rate of 95 percent vs 85 percent makes a massive difference to the quality of data.”
      
      Are you sure about that?
      
      How is it then that the likes of DPF can poll just 1,000 or 1,500 people and get pretty accurate readings on voting intentions etc?
      
      The difference in confidence levels between 85% and 95% would be minuscule, not massive, I would have thought.
      
      DPF might like to chip in.
      
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      May 2, 2023 12:26pm
      - Asterius Mario
        
        Polling opinion is somewhat different to a census. The census needs to count the population at a detailed level. right down to mesh blocks in suburbs. This data is used to design programmes and social services. Missing 15 percent of people (and perhaps 30 percent of Maori) seems like a serious problem.
        
        From the USA census website:
        
        “The census tells us who we are and where we are going as a nation, and helps our communities determine where to build everything from schools to supermarkets, and from homes to hospitals. It helps the government decide how to distribute funds and assistance to states and localities. ”
        
        https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/censuses.html#:~:text=The%20census%20tells%20us%20who,assistance%20to%20states%20and%20localities.
        
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        May 2, 2023 3:56pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    The Vax rollout has set a precedent. If I were a Maori, why on earth would I do ANYTHING unless I was bribed with some draw, tickets or vouchers?
    
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    May 2, 2023 12:23pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Don’t have to remember anything. Just fill it with guesses.
  Anything for a free ticket and some KFC.
  
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  May 2, 2023 10:02am
Maggie Pie

Excuse my French….but you just couldn’t make this SHIT up! 🙁

“The Greenleft-Network stands for and works to promote an explicitly anti-capitalist Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand”

https://twitter.com/EvilArthurFleck/status/1652961798159736840
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May 2, 2023 9:32am
- Asterius Mario
  
  So they are communists. Why can’t they just break away and start a communist party? Oh that’s right they would get about ten votes.
  
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  May 2, 2023 9:42am
  - RoboRob
    
    Yep, much better to pretend to be an evironmental party.
    
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    May 2, 2023 9:53am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    No wonder the country’s movers & shakers like us have all turned to ACT!
    Unlike Luxon, David has explicitly ruled out EVER working with those arsehats.
    
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    May 2, 2023 10:04am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      David might have to rethink if it means another 3 years of this shit
      
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      May 2, 2023 10:49am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    There’s no McGillicuddy Party these days for folks to join…and as parasites have discovered for yonks, it is much easier to infiltrate and leech off organised structures than it is to venture out on your own.
    
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    May 2, 2023 11:26am
  - Che Guava
    
    It is a completely false dichotomy to claim that there is a simple binary choice between either communism or capitalism. This demonstrates a complete lack of imagination. For most of human history, there was neither of these systems.
    
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    May 2, 2023 11:28am
Yvette

StatsNZ has been giving away free Warriors tickets and food vouchers to try to coax more people into sending back their Census forms, with the deadline looming.
[Damn! Wish I knew that before my form was filled out for me]

It could not say how much it had spent on the incentives, but so far the response fell short of its expectations.
Its target is 90% of the population, but so far only about 86% of people had taken part, or 4.4 million people.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/05/02/warriors-tickets-offered-in-attempts-to-get-late-census-replies/

If 86 percent is 4.4 millions then 1 percent is 51,180 people
The 4 percent then that they want to fill out their forms is 204,648 persons
” Eden Park – which has a current capacity of 50,000 “
■ So the buggers who haven’t filled out there forms would fill out instead Eden Park four times over.
Why are they not being fined?
If they can issue free Warriors tickets they can issue infringement notices.
☂
And if they haven’t filled out forms, how the hell does Stats know they exist?

Take your medication , Yvette
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May 2, 2023 9:42am
Prince

The Dawn Raids shambles encapsulates this Labour Govt more than any other.
In 2021 Ardern was all over the media, dressed in a traditional Samoan mat, offering a formal apology for the 1970 Dawn Raids.
One year later, there was the first annual celebration of the apology, lest we forget.
And last year, Pasifika theatre collective Pacific Underground revisited Dawn Raids 25 years on, in the wake of the Apology.
And in March this year, we were told ‘The Government is today delivering on one of its commitments as part of the New Zealand Government’s Dawn Raids apology, welcoming a cohort of emerging Pacific leaders to Aotearoa New Zealand participating in the He Manawa Tītī Scholarship Programme.’

So we now learn Dawn Raids have started again under Labour, with 18 arrests being made in the last few months through raiding houses before dawn.

How could anyone support this cesspit of liars ?
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May 2, 2023 9:56am
- kowtow
  
  HDPA and hubbie Soper were whinging about this last night .
  
  Oh the shock and shame of “dawn raids” .
  
  Well when’s a good time , while no one’s at home . That’ll work a treat.
  
  But yes this Muppet Show, Capt DressUp , regime are a bunch of hyper hypocrites.
  
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  May 2, 2023 10:40am
  - MCōs
    
    Weekend
    
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    May 2, 2023 11:53am
  - Prince
    
    This isn’t about the right or wrong of Dawn Raids. It’s about the Labour lies, the false apologies, the using Pacifica by the Labour elite, the constant media spin, and the outright corruption of the current Government, where what they do and achieve is irrelevant, but what they say is supposed to be everything.
    
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    May 2, 2023 1:07pm
- MCōs
  
  Never thought I’d see any support for apparent overstayers on Kiwiblog.
  There was an interview on RNZ with the lawyer of the latest dawn raid victim and the chap really seemed to know his beans. The guy may not have a visa, but it’s not as simple as that, by a long way.
  
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  May 2, 2023 11:52am
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Will Minister Wood go and sit on a stage in the Beehive auditorium with a bag over this head ?
  
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  May 2, 2023 3:00pm
Tony Stuart

For anyone who missed Mike Hosking’s interview with Acting PM Carmel Sepuloni this morning, here’s the link:
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/carmel-sepuloni-acting-pm-says-its-too-early-to-say-whether-labour-will-introduce-a-capital-gains-tax-if-it-wins-next-election/

I’ve always been concerned by the lack of depth in Labour’s cabinet. I didn’t really expect however that it would start with Sepuloni. No wonder New Zealand is in such deep shite!
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May 2, 2023 10:09am
- Asterius Mario
  
  “Acting PM Carmel Sepuloni”
  
  And that tells you right there how far the country has sunk.
  
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  May 2, 2023 11:42am
Maggie Pie

Just for the record….I certainly WONT be watching the Coronation.
How quickly people have forgotten what the pair of them did to Diana.
Neither of them are worthy of respect.

Just saying.
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May 2, 2023 10:34am
- mogg
  
  Save your sympathy, I was born close to Althorp, my mother briefly worked in their kitchens, where she was “treated like dirt”. After that she became a ‘nippy’ in a Lyons Corner House’.
  Diana came from a long line of misfits, her personality problems were inherited. The Diana was a Martyr story has been created by the media, it suits their need for HEADLINES.
  
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  May 2, 2023 1:48pm
  - mawm
    
    It doesn’t excuse Charles’ and Camilla’s behaviour.
    
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    May 2, 2023 7:15pm
- gravedodger
  
  I am sure Diana will appreciate your gesture of support Maggie.
  
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  May 2, 2023 2:12pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Nope. She’s past appreciating anything, being dead.
    
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    May 2, 2023 7:20pm
ClanMcleod

Re the controlled sabotage of the NZ education system.

how schools became the agent of societal dissolution and how to fix it

The article is US centred, but every bit of it applies to NZ.

we’re getting deteriorating schools, worse results, and brainwashed, broken kids reared for ideological purity not critical thought or self-governance much less self-possession.

they are teaching many of the kids to hate themselves and mistake their own capacities for privilege. they are robbing others of their potential by claiming that the deck is so systemically stacked that only racial preferencing can save them and that they must complain and take rather than strive and achieve. they inflict self doubt and personal guilt in some and sentence others to life in a prison of low expectations and the achievement invalidation of affirmative action that makes all success in such patronage groups suspect.

this is the exact sort of brainwashing discussed above. separate them from parents and peers, make them hate the outside system and often themselves, teach them raging activism mantras like “anyone not being actively anti-racist is a racist” to set them in proportion to all non “fellow travelers,” and then draw them into performative grievance cults as foundational identity.

they come out broken, uneducated, and un-self-governing. they are taught that government and rules are civilization instead of learning to be the sorts of civilized people who do not need government to order their affairs.

it’s cradle to grave dependency and incapacity and it’s being harnessed to generate rage and opposition to every evolved human system of interaction and to despise liberty and flourishing.

this is how a society dies.

this problem cannot be fixed from inside the system. it must be replaced.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/breaking-the-mancubs-activism-as

Some excellent suggestions in there.
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May 2, 2023 10:38am
- Nickc2
  
  and then the Gangs send em out window shopping (Ram-Raiding that is) because they have an ingrained sense of entitlement.
  If we don’t turn this bus around now, we never will.
  
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  May 2, 2023 10:47am
ClanMcleod

Excellent talk with Rodney Hide re the whole co-governance issue. Can’t remember the name of the interviewee, but talking an awful lot of sense regarding the treaty and how the interpretation is currently being twisted.

https://realitycheck.radio/
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May 2, 2023 10:47am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Rodney is speaking to Ewen McQueen, author of a book called ‘One Sun in the Sky’.
  The interview has been excellent so I’ve ordered a copy.
  
  Here’s a link to a NZ Herald article from 2013 so the book has been around for a while. More relevant today than ever.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/ewen-mcqueen-there-can-be-only-one-sun-in-the-sky-and-thats-the-crown/D7FOFK7ZVKRT3Y3GETXPYPPUL4/
  
  “But let us never forget the foundational constitutional reality that the Treaty established – one sun in the sky.”
  
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  May 2, 2023 11:14am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Liz Wheeler on Bernie Sanders, silent about Venezuela. Sure it is a while back, maybe 2013. This is what is heading to New Zealand unless you stop it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6Mh0ZUP5s0
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May 2, 2023 10:54am
Swifty

The height of sophistication at a recent NZ Labour Party conference after-match function:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/678178237312193?fs=e&s=TIeQ9V&mibextid=0NULKw
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May 2, 2023 10:59am
Jack5

The “Dawn raids” on illegal immigrants are being damned again by ethnic-Pacific Islanders.

How do you check on a household of workers excep[t before or after mainstream working hours?

The Woke Left would open NZ doors to the world’s near-100 million refugees, plus a few billion others who would love entry to a Western country.
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May 2, 2023 11:19am
- MCōs
  
  Let’s not get too precious, Jack
  There’s up to a million Kiwis live elsewhere in countries they presumably find superior
  
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  May 2, 2023 12:03pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Legally…there is a difference.
    
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    May 2, 2023 12:25pm
    - MCōs
      
      How do you know?
      I knew a number of kiwis who worked illegally in Thailand, including myself.
      Folks over a certain age get a retirement visa and, well, get a job in their wife’s name.
      I also worked on a tourist visa back in the nineties for a couple of years.
      Scratch the surface and there’s plenty of unorthodox things going on in this world.
      
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      May 2, 2023 1:46pm
sirknz

Does anybody know anybody who gives a flying fig about the Met Gala and what the various celebrities are wearing to it?
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May 2, 2023 11:26am
Maggie Pie

One of the girls from tennis was showing me a post on Instagram from a pakiha gal in Rotovegas who took a part time job as a… ‘census-enumerator’.
She chucked it in after three weeks when she went to do a follow up at a kianga ora housing development and had a dog attack her. Reckoned her manager asked her to keep it quiet for fear of retribution.

How are people like that going to pay a 2k fine?
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May 2, 2023 11:35am
ClanMcleod

Our wonderful example of NZ youth is lecturing us all again in the Whoreald.

I remember when videos of Prime Minister of Finland Sanna Marin partying were leaked. There was an investigation into her “misconduct”. What did she do? Drink a little alcohol and dance, something nearly all adults in Western countries are doing.

These standards of behaviour are rooted in misogyny, queerphobia and ageism, and I refuse to live by them.

Here we go with the lies, the smears. No mention of HIS abusive tirades on Twitter. Another divisive, Marxist tool.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/shaneel-lal-politicians-need-to-lighten-up/EXMKSBQ7EJH5HMRSZSLO5UG27E/?dicbo=v2-CqgNTpI&&ref=topbox
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May 2, 2023 12:06pm
- Taieri
  
  Why do they publish this cretin’s farts?
  
  And why do you read them?
  
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  May 2, 2023 12:27pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Taieri – I never read the paywalled, I generally scan the headlines to see what we are up against and attempt to prepare accordingly.
    I pass this article and others on as a service to Kiwibloggers so they are also forearmed re the rapid deliberate destruction of this country by Marxists in the Greens and Labour.
    
    We need to know what we’re up against. I take no pleasure out of even reading this shit, but it’s best not to bury our collective heads in the sand.
    
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    May 2, 2023 12:55pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  S/he’s hanging around the Govt end of Wgtn at the moment – no doubt in town offering the perspective of the oppressed & being handsomely rewarded for it.
  
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  May 2, 2023 12:39pm
thirteenstars

Vice filing for bankruptcy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/01/business/media/vice-bankruptcy.html

They’ve been a major player in pro-woke, collectivist, anti-Western ideology over the years.

Couldn’t have happened to a nicer bunch of commies. Go woke, go broke. Go to hell.
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May 2, 2023 12:28pm
Tom Hunter

Funnily enough I linked to an old article of theirs for my post, The Six Year Itch: Trans folk solve problem of not getting laid..

I’ve included the fabulous photo that accompanied the original Vice article but which is not on their current link to that article, which was titled: Why Can’t My Famous Gender Nonconforming Friends Get Laid?.
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May 2, 2023 12:34pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Dumber than a bag of hammers
  
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  May 2, 2023 12:46pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  I doubt if anyone looking at that photo would have any problem figuring out why they can’t get laid…..or with the clearly limited pool they operate in, why monkepox became rife.
  
  There is something to be said for basic morality. It isn’t all about being a “prude”. There are good medical reasons for not shagging anything and everything that moves.
  
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  May 2, 2023 12:59pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    Oh, monkeypox clearly spread like wildfire for the same reasons HIV rapidly spread in the 80s. Homosexual men are more promiscuous and more commonly engage in sex acts that provide easier vectors for sexually transmitted diseases. And yes, combined with a smaller pool to swim in, the transmission rates go through the roof.
    
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    May 2, 2023 1:49pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Immigrant questions pledge of allegiance to NZ’s King. She’s uncomfortable with that, being Irish and all.

It seems to have escaped her notice that by applying for NZ citizenship, she is walking away from being solely Irish.

More importantly, if she didn’t like the rules, she shouldn’t have applied for citizenship in the first place.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/131835191/pledge-of-allegiance-to-king-charles-in-nz-citizenship-ceremony-questioned
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May 2, 2023 12:45pm
- kowtow
  
  Where to begin ?
  
  Obviously it’s more $1tuffed click bait but;
  
  no one forced her to become a NZ citizen ;
  unless she’s incredibly thick she’d have known there is a requirement to take the oath , which is not to the King of England , but to our own Head of State , the King of NZ.
  if it weren’t for the “colonialism” that she so despises , she wouldn’t have a job here .
  the ‘English’ did not colonise Ireland , the Normans did beginning in 1169 , at the invitation of a deposed Irish king.
  Irish lords swore fealty to King Henry II in 1171 and again in 1175 so under feudal practise Ireland became a vassal of the Crown in London.
  
  Last but not least ; don’t like it , FIFO.
  
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  May 2, 2023 2:47pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Worth a repeat. Elon with a dumb journalist.

https://rumble.com/v2hrre0-elon-musk-humiliates-dim-bbc-journalist.html
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May 2, 2023 12:57pm
Chris Nisbet

Newshub headline (I avoid the pain of actually reading the articles):
“Sepuloni hopes higher-emitting vehicle fee increase will get Aucklanders out of utes”
If there was an EV alternative that made sense to customers she wouldn’t need to f#ck with the market.
And why is she singling out Aucklanders? She’s taxing people outside Auckland as well, isn’t she? I suppose she’s implying that tradies in Auckland don’t really need a ute. Isn’t it wonderful when some politician tells you what you need and don’t need?
Can we please have a government who simply wants to get out of the fricken way?
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May 2, 2023 12:58pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sepuloni wants to get rid of tradies? How can an on site welder, a carpenter, a plumber, a sparkie, a concreter, do without a ute?
  What is the matter with her?
  
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  May 2, 2023 1:31pm
  - Ghost
    
    Photo
    
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    May 2, 2023 1:34pm
  - kevn
    
    @SteveO… How are the tradies supposed to tow their (big arsed) boats?
    
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    May 2, 2023 1:52pm
  - Colville
    
    Steve.
    Tradies have vans. Showboaters have utes.
    
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    May 2, 2023 2:03pm
- kevn
  
  @Chris… We could think of seps thoughts as an informal IQ test = fail.
  
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  May 2, 2023 1:34pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Makes you wonder what happens when a Govt MP arranged for a tradie to pop around to do some work on one of their properties … now, that’s Reality TV I’d watch.
  
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  May 2, 2023 1:37pm
- Burtland
  
  Charlotte Cook on RNZ suggested that tradies should buy second hand vehicles – the interview is a hoot in all the wrong ways.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018888358
  
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  May 2, 2023 1:55pm
  - Asterius Mario
    
    The urban Wellington elite lecturing farmers and tradies about vehicle purchases. 🙁
    
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    May 2, 2023 3:30pm
  - Prince
    
    What a very stupid interviewer.
    ‘What is to stop a tradie from buying any of the new wagons out there ?’
    ‘What wagon ?’
    ‘Any of the band wagons’ !
    
    Dear God, scratch the surface of this leftie and…there’s nothing there.
    
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    May 2, 2023 4:14pm
- Prince
  
  Perhaps, as this RNZ host suggests, Tradies should buy one of those ‘Band Wagons’ she has heard her Wadestown friends talking about.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018888358
  
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  May 2, 2023 4:18pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Poor Joe. He has lost it. Can’t read the teleprompter.

https://fb.watch/kg81IXi9CY/
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May 2, 2023 1:26pm
- Ghost
  
  It’s sad when they can’t use AI Biden
  
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  May 2, 2023 1:31pm
Asterius Mario

So a few years back, the “HER” dating app was set up. This was for lesbians. Women attracted to women.

https://weareher.com/

This is a great idea. It allows women to find women to date without being pestered by men.

Now the CE of HER has told all its customers that if they are not attracted to ‘trans women’, they should leave.

““TERFs, or trans-exclusionary radical “feminists,” harbor some of the most twisted and erroneous beliefs about feminism and what being a lesbian can or cannot entail. They insist that only those assigned female at birth can be lesbians.””

https://www.starobserver.com.au/news/lesbian-dating-app-her-blasts-transphobes-and-tells-them-to-delete-their-app/223478

“They insist that only those assigned female at birth can be lesbians.”

Well… yes.

Gay folk have fought for decades to be accepted in society. Now gay women are being told by men who want to be women what a lesbian is.
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May 2, 2023 3:28pm
- Asterius Mario
  
  HAT TIP: No Minister
  
  https://nominister.wordpress.com/2023/05/02/the-six-year-itch-trans-folk-solve-problem-of-not-getting-laid/
  
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  May 2, 2023 3:31pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Why can’t they get laid? Because they’re butt ugly to start with might be a clue.
    
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    May 5, 2023 3:53pm
- Ehlana
  
  Just like women are being told by men who want to be women what a woman is.
  
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  May 2, 2023 3:34pm
  - Ghost
    
    Woman are also being told by woman that trans woman are woman too
    
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    May 2, 2023 3:41pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Have you come across the transabled community yet? They’re next up.
      They’ve changed the name to catch the wave currently being enjoyed by the trans community.
      
      Transableism is a newer term for BIID, or “Body Integrity Identity Disorder,” in which a person actually “identifies” as handicapped.
      
      BIID has been relabeled to transableism to align with today’s trans community, according to some.
      
      The point of “changing the identifier” from a psychiatric condition (BIID) to an advocacy term (transableism) is to “harness the stunning cultural power of gender ideology” to the cause of allowing doctors to “treat” BIID patients by “amputating healthy limbs, snipping spinal cords or destroying eyesight”
      
      We really do live on Clown Planet…..
      
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      May 5, 2023 4:08pm
      - Ghost
        
        Yeah, came across the article about the Canadian woman a few months ago.
        
        Sigh
        
        Oh well, today I’m identify as a cat that thinks they are a dog 🙈
        
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        May 5, 2023 4:39pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  On the subject of trans, I see the country’s number one attack shill poodle, David Fisher, has been set loose on the subject.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/david-fisher-trans-rights-and-womens-spaces-the-voices-turning-up-the-volume/QYZTUOBBL5HTZLK3HU2273M6J4/
  
  You won’t find a bigger pile of steaming dogshit on the subject anywhere. As he did with covid, he labels anyone who dares ask a question as one or all of, “misogynist, transphobic, far right, genocidal, Nazi” and a few others.
  
  I genuinely believe he’s ordered to “get controversial” and say whatever he thinks will get people angriest. It’s the only way they can get clicks to top up the taxpayer money they get through the PIJF.
  
  No, I didn’t pay for it. All I’ll say is “getpocket”. Work it out for yourself. I wouldn’t piss on them if they were on fire.
  
  Of course Fisher liberally references the aptly named “disinformation project” and manages to smear Voices for Freedom and Chantelle Baker in the process. Baker is more of a journalist than the lot of them at the Whoreald put together.
  
  An inane word salad comprising all of the slurs and smear we’ve been bombarded with for 3 years of covid because they have no actual pov that can be defended with rational discussion.
  
  Read it at your own risk. You’ll likely want to break something after doing so. Full of lies and distortions, but nothing more than we’re used to.
  
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  May 5, 2023 3:50pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“You can’t trust National on Health” Dr Verrall.
“in the last five years, almost 19,000 nurses have left the public health system”. Luxon.
Wrongly worded Mr Luxon.
So those who switched jobs stayed in the system. Listen Dr Verrall, if they stayed in the system fine – but they are NOT Nursing.
“I was very clear that this didn’t reflect the number of nurses leaving the system so it’s extremely disingenuous,” said Dr Verrall. Well we know who is playing numbers games here. The left are just not good with numbers, or manipulating numbers.

Did Chris Luxon just grow a couple of small ones?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/luxon-won-t-back-down-over-nursing-claim-the-health-minister-is-calling-out/ar-AA1azHRt
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May 2, 2023 3:33pm
- rockape
  
  It’s the number that didn’t renew their practicing certificates. So may have gone into management, may have become drug reps etc.
  
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  May 2, 2023 5:31pm
Maggie Pie

When I posted earlier that I wont be having anything to do with the Coronation….
looks like I’m not the only one 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/HereCelts/status/1652687767942443009
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May 2, 2023 3:57pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

More Joe bullshit muscle flexing – or is it the warmongering Pentagon?

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/biden-warns-of-annihilation-if-north-korea-launches-nuclear-attack/ss-AA1aAaLS

Annihilation is a big word Joe.
You know that Trump would have negotiated long before this stage.
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May 2, 2023 4:03pm
- virtualmark
  
  The US is indulging in a bit of sabre-rattling because they’re worried the South Koreans will build their own bomb.
  
  South Korea and Japan each have the knowledge, skills and equipment to quickly become nuclear states. To date they haven’t because they’ve relied on the US nuclear umbrella. But living next to China and North Korea is a bit like having a couple of gang houses in your cul-de-sac and at the same time they’re getting less sure the US would come through if the gang members started shooting at their house.
  
  So, personally, I think it’s just a matter of time before the South Koreans build their own bomb. Which would almost certainly force the Japanese to build one too, despite their Hiroshima/Nagasaki sensitivities.
  
  All of which would further destabilise northern Asia.
  
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  May 2, 2023 4:58pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Rubbish
    Whilst they might have the capability they wont.
    Because;
    The US wont let them and in the new paradigm trade between pacific Nations like Japan and South Korea to the US is essential for their survival. Both Japan and South Koreas strategy for dealing with their aging population is outsourcing.
    They cant do that without US support.
    Besides I think we all realise China is screwed and countries like Japan and South Korea are doing their part to screw China over with the Semi Conductor ban.
    So, wrong call, these Allies are in lockstep and that means Nukes off the table.
    PS- they wont need them. Japans Navy and Sth Koreas land based forces are formidable.
    Lesson over.
    
    PS- those 51 letters about Hunters Lap Top- funny it was all bullshit eh. Talk about Election interference.
    lol
    Tick tock tick tock
    
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    May 2, 2023 8:41pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Sigh.
      
      If you learned to read you might have come across articles like these:
      https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/12/world/asia/south-korea-nuclear-weapons.html
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/should-south-korea-go-nuclear/2021/10/07/a40bb400-2628-11ec-8d53-67cfb452aa60_story.html
      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-65333139
      https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/if-it-wanted-south-korea-could-build-its-own-bomb
      
      You might also develop the awareness that Trump and the GOP’s “America First” focus has historical allies like South Korea questioning whether the US can be relied upon to follow through with their security guarantees. Now that the North Koreans have missiles that can reach nearly all the continental US will Washington risk using nukes in Korea if it means Chicago gets nuked in reply?
      
      So a prudent South Korea starts to value being self-reliant and independent.
      
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      May 2, 2023 9:15pm
MCōs

Someone on this forum the other day suggested Thailand was a safe place.
It may well be for foreigners who keep their wits about them, which are fewer than you’d think.
However for locals it’s a different story
This person was arrested recently for killing 15+ people with cyanide.
https://aseannow.com/topic/1293629-thailand’s-biggest-serial-killer-suspect-legally-protected-from-the-death-penalty-as-horror-grows/?utm_campaign=NL&utm_medium=email&utm_source=NL
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May 2, 2023 5:11pm
nova

The government must be very happy with how their changes to the clean car discount have been reported.
The changes are negative for all cars except for used BEVs. A used Nissan Leaf will know get an extra $57 in rebate, going from $3450 to $3507, but that new Tesla sees a drop in rebate from the $8,625 to $7,015. Most hybrids will no longer be eligible for the rebate, either used or new, with the exception of PHEVs.
Most new cars will see a net price increase of $1500 to $2000, and used cars by a few hundred dollars.
But cleverly, by throwing in a $57 improvement for used EVs, the government has got favourable reporting for something that is net negative for over 80% of vehicle purchases.
The graphs here spell it out in more detail: https://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/clean-car-programme/clean-car-discount/clean-car-discount-1-july-2023-changes/
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May 2, 2023 5:26pm
- Drone
  
  You have to admit @Nova they have a very smart PR department. I saw the $57 bit but missed the $1,500 reduction.
  
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  May 2, 2023 8:07pm
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    The impact is much worse than $1,500 for most new cars. Take the Suzuki Swift HYBRID RS Auto, carbon emissions are 102 g/km. Right now it gets a $3,160.52 clean car discount, from 1st of July it will get no rebate.
    Or say a 2023 Mitsubishi ASX LS 2.0P 2WD, carbon emissions are 196 g/km, right now it attracts no fee, but from 1st of July this would be a $2,645 fee.
    It is no longer just a ute tax, and the impact on most new cars is a few thousand dollars.
    
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    May 2, 2023 8:50pm
kevn

@nova… Imagine being a car dealer having to explain this rubbish to buyers.
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May 2, 2023 6:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  No problem with that. The dealers would have to tell the truth and lay off the sales pitch bullshit.
  
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  May 3, 2023 8:45am
Ghost

14 years for killing two people while driving drunk. Damn, if only we had a decent justice system in New Zealand.

Police bodycam footage has captured a US woman singing, laughing and dancing in police custody after she killed two people while driving under the influence.

Illinois woman Stephanie Melgoza, 24, has been given a 14-year prison sentence after she pleaded guilty to killing two pedestrians while driving drunk in April last year.

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Ghost

Of course they had to be from Dildo…….

A Canadian photographer has captured an unusual shaped iceberg of the east coast of Newfoundland.

Ken Pretty, from the town of Dildo, said he took photos of a penis shaped iceberg with his drone as it floated off the coast of Harbour Grace, Newfoundland

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May 2, 2023 8:08pm
- Jack5
  
  Don’t knock the “Newfies” of Dildo.
  
  Unlike us in NZ, where we are allowing a minority to force name changes throughout the country, the Newfies of Dildo have fought off the Wokies and kept their pretty little town’s name:
  
  https://youtu.be/4i62RnsIQHM
  
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  May 2, 2023 8:52pm
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  Look at the size of those nuts!
  
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