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Mike

Happy Day of Remembrance for all Victims of Chemical Warfare!
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April 29, 2023 8:01am
- mandk
  
  You mean like people who have been damaged by the vaxx?
  
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  April 29, 2023 8:31am
  - Mike
    
    No, but you are welcome to advocate for designating a holiday to celebrate victims of side effects of therapeutic treatments.
    
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    April 29, 2023 9:41am
    - Surely Knott
      
      *Therapeutic treatment*. Lol.
      
      But therapeutic treatment is not what was advertised to the public or what was told to the courts. It was a vax mandate to stop outbreaks and protect others and create herd immunity like the mmr.
      
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      April 29, 2023 10:49am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      There are millions dead and injured from the “vaccine”. Not so much with therapeutic treatments.
      
      The greatest medical disaster ever. The destruction of trust in health systems will take decades to recover from, if it ever does.
      
      Well played Ardern and the useful idiots who enabled her lunacy.
      
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      April 29, 2023 1:52pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Does that include all the innocents who were napalmed in Vietnam by the benevolent invaders?
  
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  April 29, 2023 8:55am
  - Mike
    
    Is napalm now a prohibited chemical weapon? 29 April is the anniversary of the foundation of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons.
    
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    April 29, 2023 9:46am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      any weapon that fires a projectile is technically a chemical weapon, as a powder explosion is a chemical reaction.
      
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      April 29, 2023 11:14am
      - Mike
        
        Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production, Stockpiling and Use of Chemical Weapons and on their Destruction, which contains these helpful definitions:
        
        Schedule 1 contains substances most clearly related to a chemical weapon. They have been specially developed for or have already been used as chemical weapons and there is a high risk that these substances or their precursors will be used for that purpose. These chemicals have little or no use for peaceful purposes in commercial or industrial activities. Examples are VX, sarin, mustard gas and the biological toxins ricin and saxitoxin.
        Schedule 1 substances shall not be produced, acquired, retained or used at all by State Parties outside their territories, except in limited quantities for research, medical or protection purposes.
        Schedule 2 contains substances that pose a significant risk for use as a chemical weapon, or as a precursor of a substance from List 1 or List 2, part A. These substances also have a limited use in not large quantities for other purposes than a chemical weapon. In large quantities, there is a good chance that they are intended for use as a chemical weapon. Examples are amiton and BZ.
        Schedule 3 contains substances that pose a risk for use as a chemical weapon or as a precursor thereof. However, these substances are also used in large quantities for purposes other than for a chemical weapon (dual-use). Examples are phosgene and hydrogen cyanide.
        
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        April 29, 2023 1:28pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Uptick for Mike doing his research
        
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        April 29, 2023 6:53pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  Gather round children. Now there is going to be a lot of rain and wind next week. Nothing to fear. Its a weather event. They have been happening since the dawn of time. Some naughty grown ups are going to tell you its CLIMATE CHANGE. The reason is they want to takes lots of money off your Mummies and Daddies or in some cases Mummies and Mummies or Daddies and Daddies or Mummies who used to be be Daddies and Daddies who used to be Mummies.
  Ignore them.
  
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  April 29, 2023 9:30am
  - Albie
    
    Keep an eye out for an upgrade to a Weather Bomb! This could also bring Rivers of Rain and a dose of Juicy Humidity. Tossers.
    
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    April 29, 2023 9:42am
    - Matt Long
      
      An atmospheric river.
      
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      April 29, 2023 10:08am
      - Albie
        
        Quite! I like my term, high drama, which is what this is all about!
        
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        April 29, 2023 11:56am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        With the power of 500 Hiroshima bombs! 🙄 🤮
        
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        April 29, 2023 4:11pm
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    It is worth browsing the NIWA catalogue of severe weather events. The 19th and 20th centuries had major storms with considerable loss of life
    
    https://hwe.niwa.co.nz/search/summary/Startdate/n-a/Enddate/n-a/Regions/all/Hazards/all%252CHeavy+Rain/Impacts/all/Keywords/none/numberOfEvents/20/page/17
    
    These storms will continue. Maybe warming oceans will make them somewhat more severe. It doesn’t matter much. We still need to prepare for them. Of course rich nations are better placed to do that.
    
    One thing I know. Reducing New Zealand emissions will have zero impact on New Zealand weather events. A claim I have, literally, heard some activists make.
    
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    April 29, 2023 10:17am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Isn’t it funny’ when the now multi billionaire that failed at becoming prez ( I feel sick saying his name) stated with global warming in the late 80s. We were promised no rain, drought stricken farming countries, snd famine across the world thanks to lack of rain.
    
    It’s become very noticeable the same fool as done a 360 and changed global warming to climate change, and we will be flooded with all the abundance of rain and oh a few droughts ( like we have always had) not to mention huge snow falls instead of no snow or ice on high country mountains.
    
    I also remember him spouting that Manhattan would be underwater by 2006 I was there in 2003 my missus sister has lived in New Jersey since 1999 and she tells me when she travels to work on Wall Street that the water level at pier 24 is exactly the same as 1999 apart from the tidal difference that will never change.
    
    I have always stated that climate has changed from when I was a kid in the 60s and 70s but it is not created by man and cars, or cows and farting.
    
    The only thing I agree with is having new infrastructure built to cope with bigger storms , they go it in Europe, look at the well below sea level of the Netherlands for how to do infrastructure
    
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    April 29, 2023 12:36pm
CJames

For those wondering how we will manage with standard societal functions once Net Zero/ zero emissions gets implemented, the answer is out there. You won’t own property, but have to lease it. It will only be mud (rammed earth) huts, anyway. And of course there will be 15 minute cities, so travel is severely constrained. Plenty of job opportunities but mainly for the new manual labouring class. An official committee’s report has come out in the UK that will do doubt be duplicated here – help keep our place as fast followers of the fantasy. Basically, no development will be allowed. This is newspeak described as “minimise new construction”.
https://api.repository.cam.ac.uk/server/api/core/bitstreams/16ce22f7-5712-4ecf-b412-727de442b795/content
The only bricks, glass, concrete and steel that can be used has to be recycled and with a rationed supply. No plastic used with timber supply limited (how do you get wood from growing forest to building site without fossil fuels?). To those thinking I’m exaggerating, I can quote part of the Executive Summary; “Eliminating embodied emissions will bring far more fundamental changes. There is great potential to use less material without compromising functionality. However, while being essential, transformative, and creating vast potential for innovation, efficiency alone is not enough to reach zero emissions. The shape of the urban environment will also change, allowing for denser living and reduced transport needs and energy consumption. Yet this is still not enough. To bridge the gap, the pallete of available construction materials must also transform, eliminating those with inherently emitting process and bringing forward nonemitting alternatives. These will include: naturally low-energy materials such as stone, earth and timber; components reused and repurposed from demolition; and electrified supplies of recycled steel, cement and bricks, albeit limited by a constrained supply of non-emitting electricity under high demand. “
If they get their way, we will have a new Dark Ages. The only question is when the elites will let the hoi polloi know their vision for the future? They definitely wouldn’t want a vote on it.
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April 29, 2023 8:01am
- Taieri
  
  The only question is when the elites will let the hoi polloi know their vision for the future? They definitely wouldn’t want a vote on it.
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  Looks like every age has to have its own Bastille. Because, that’s how it will end…
  
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  April 29, 2023 8:13am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    Jacinda only ever gave vague utterances to the people that democracy in aotearoa needed to become more sophisticated…
    
    Either she had no idea what that really meant – or she knew exactly what it meant from her team’s side of the fence.
    
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    April 29, 2023 8:24am
    - House
      
      Ardern knew exactly what she meant and how much to say and when to say it.
      That was one of her main strengths, possibly the only one. Communication.
      
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      April 29, 2023 9:19am
      - Bob
        
        one of her main strengths…….communication?
        OBFUSCATION….corrected it for you House!
        obviously a word correction fault in your computer.
        
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        April 29, 2023 10:08am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Bachelor of Communication Studies in Public Relations and Political Science.
        Translation? Word soup waffle.
        
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        April 29, 2023 10:21am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        One thing she spouted at the UN that gave me the utter shots was not the nuclear free moment of her generation, but the next time she went to spout at the trough and stated the world is borderless, that utterance should have scared all
        
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        April 29, 2023 12:39pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Bachelor of Obfuscation Studies in Public Relations and Political Science?
        
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        April 29, 2023 4:12pm
    - mawm
      
      Forget Jacinda, someone should give this to Luxon and Seymour and then shortly afterwards ask them if they support it. We want to know! Because they need to empirically deny it and commit to NZ not going down that path.
      
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      April 29, 2023 11:58am
      - leoj
        
        Luxon is on board with this climate nonsense.
        He proved his wokeness when at Air NZ.
        
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        April 29, 2023 2:27pm
      - mawm
        
        He is, but is he on board with these drastic changes to how we will be allowed to live? Maybe some honesty is needed and he needs to spell it out what will happen with net zero. Same with Seymour.
        
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        April 29, 2023 2:50pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  I did a word search and could not find the word nuclear.
  
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  April 29, 2023 8:15am
  - CJames
    
    You mean the low carbon energy source that shall not be named? It shows the political affiliations of the committee not being there.
    
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    April 29, 2023 8:34am
    - Che Guava
      
      The real goal is austerity under the guise of a moral imperative, surveillance and control to enforce this austerity, and a consequent flattening of the middle class with little or no social mobility. A bifurcation of society, kind of like in Brazil. And all with the aim of keep the existing powers in place. In other words, completely self-serving at the expense of everyone else.
      
      Why? The current system has reached its limit and is about to break down, and if it were to break down without an alternative already in place, then the existing power could potentially lose their existing status to someone else who takes the initiative. And that can’t be allowed to happen at any cost. So in the service of the interests of others, you will will eat the bugs, you will own nothing, and you will be damn well happy about it.
      
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      April 29, 2023 10:56am
  - pdm
    
    Chuck – Jacinda took it with her when she walked off.
    
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    April 29, 2023 8:51am
    - Paulus
      
      I have heard that the Labour Party (not Parliamentary lot) were getting worried about their future, and it was decided that the probable Election loss could be mitigated if she went.
      Makes sense, despite all other crap and lies.
      
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      April 29, 2023 10:14am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Stomped off
      
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      April 29, 2023 12:41pm
- I remember when
  
  CJames:
  Must be time for those ecological stories reminding us of the release of carbon from digging the garden.
  Mud walled houses will require further research.
  Incidentally, with infill housing, what are gardens?
  
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  April 29, 2023 10:10am
  - 7kiwi11
    
    That would be the 2 square metres of plastic lawn.
    
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    April 29, 2023 10:32am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  We need to take these nutjobs seriously.
  Look what’s going on in this country.
  – nutjobs start talking a about separate governance and normal people don’t take them seriously. Nek minnit…
  – nutjobs start telling us they own the water and normal people don’t take them seriously. Nek minnit…
  – nutjobs tell us we need to start living like stone-age Africans and embrace socialism to save the planet and normal people don’t take them seriously. Nek minnit…
  – nutjobs tell us we need a separate health system for the ‘special people’ and normal people don’t take them seriously. Nek minnit…
  – nutjobs tells us that we won’t be driving ICE cars in a few year’s time and normal people don’t take them seriously. Nek minnit…
  – Some f*cker tells us they’re locking the country down to save us from a disease that was never going to kill most people and ‘flatten the curve’. Mother-fucken Nek minniit!!!
  
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  April 29, 2023 3:48pm
Lee C

I thnk a lot of thought went into that, CJ.

They’ve managed to tax fresh air, surely thinking will be next.

I’d be caeful if I were you.
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April 29, 2023 8:04am
Harro104

Love the idea of an upgraded Eden Park. Should be done w a new political settlement such as an Act of Parliament to release the Park from the regulatory straight jacket that stops it holding events and breaking even.
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April 29, 2023 8:04am
- Colville
  
  It should have been shitcanned before the RWC and something decent built without the associated reverse sensitivity issues that the site has.
  Retrofitting a roof will go 100% over budget guaranteed.
  
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  April 29, 2023 8:29am
  - Bob
    
    go 100% over budget…..
    only if the present government and Auck Council are involved.
    
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    April 29, 2023 10:09am
- Mike
  
  Cancel the taxpayers’ largesse for a new Christchurch stadium and put the money towards one great stadium in the largest city. The South Island already has a good enough stadium in Dunedin.
  
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  April 29, 2023 8:35am
  - Cassandra
    
    Nah. Christchurch to Dunedin is hundreds of km and years. Christchurch needs its own.
    
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    April 29, 2023 9:14am
    - Taieri
      
      Don’t forget Balclutha. They need their own stadium there as well.
      
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      April 29, 2023 11:31am
  - PeeJay
    
    How about we stop funding these bloody things in the first place? If they are so economically attractive, where is the private sector investment? They are economic dogs – everyone knows it, no matter how many dodgy business cases are prepared to show they are gold plated winners, they are economic black holes and never generate a meaningful return.
    
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    April 29, 2023 9:18am
    - Mike
      
      An even better idea.
      
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      April 29, 2023 9:47am
    - Clyde
      
      You only need to look at Dunedin’s experience at stadiums to see what a waste of public money they are. First rule by the proponent – tell lies about the cost, tell lies about the economic benefit, protect professional sport from contributing to the cost, ignore ongoing maintenance and lost opportunity on spending the money on what the community really needs.
      
      In the end, less than 20 people in Dunedin caused the white elephant to be built. Thousands protested against the thing.
      
      If stadia are that important for professional sport, let them pay to play.
      
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      April 29, 2023 10:04am
    - Burtland
      
      the government funds all manner of economic dogs
      
      – they recently funded Chelsea Sugar to retrofit their boiler -the ETS had probably made it uneconomic. Dont think Chelsea is NZ owned.
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/488370/government-commits-extra-16-point-2-million-to-government-investment-in-decarbonising-industry
      
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      April 29, 2023 10:08am
      - CJames
        
        If they are going to blow billions on a white elephant lake in the middle of nowhere, a few hundred million on a stadium that at least some people use would look like a winner.
        
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        April 29, 2023 11:00am
    - Matt Long
      
      I wonder if there’s some 21st century tech where sports and events could be viewed remotely by those who wished to, without uninterested parties being forced to fork out billions, somehow send images through the ether?
      
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      April 29, 2023 10:25am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  I would suggest most Aucklanders would prefer a new hospital as well as the staff to work in it.
  
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  April 29, 2023 8:57am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Now we’re talking. Sad thing is Labour have stuffed the Health System so much that it costs many millions to bring it to a level that is workable.
    Elective surgeries are getting rarer. Prostate Biopsy, Cubital Tunnel, Rotor Cuff are ‘Elective Surgeries’ Fact is these things give better quality of life – and we can’t have that.
    
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    April 29, 2023 10:31am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Important things I forgot:
      Spine surgery (vertebrae fusion)
      Knee replacements.
      Hip replacements.
      
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      April 29, 2023 3:07pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        I think in doctor-speak -“elective” means “not critical” …
        
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        April 29, 2023 4:24pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Ian,
        Not critical – except to the person needing it. Back in 2009 I had all sorts of problems with my left arm and hand. Numbness to burning. Herniated disc between C6 and C7 in the neck. It required disection and fusion. From the day of the injury to surgery was 5 months, 5 months of pain. Thing is it was not fixed, so I needed same thing at C5 and C6. Apparently I am wired different. Anyway, another 4 – 5 months wait. Auckland Health Board had a huge waiting list and I could not wait. Surgeon got me into Midddlemore, different Health Board. It was a training lesson for about 20 people. I was the guinea pig. Second surgery fixed it.
        Then the real fun. I fought Accident Compensation for 7 years and won.
        
        So yes, ‘elective’ means ‘non-critical’ except to the injured person. I would have been better off if I broke my neck. Sheet metal folder was the culprit.
        
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        April 30, 2023 8:40am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Prostate Biopsy is “elective surgery”? How does that work?
      
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      April 29, 2023 4:15pm
      - Sacha
        
        It’s not categorised as an ’emergency’. i.e. immediately life threatening such as a heart attack, or a ruptured bowel.
        
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        April 29, 2023 6:56pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Non-critical. see Ian’s comment above.
        My Prostate Cancer is malignant, meaning it can spread, so I am on Active Surveillance program. Biopsy under anesthetic every 12 months and MRI every 12 months (6 months in between)
        If it spreads it goes to the bones – spine and hip.
        
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        April 30, 2023 8:48am
- PeeJay
  
  Cool. As part of this change you propose do they stop going cap in hand to the government and council for annual funding? Presume a change in regulations would mean they wouldn’t need public money to build this ‘vision for the future’ because it’s so economically attractive the private sector can’t wait to fund it?
  Why is that so many people on the right seem to have no issue with throwing vast sums of money at these stadiums? If they were so economically wonderful as the proponents say. wouldn’t the private sector have swooped in by now?
  The fact is they are bloody great big white elephants – they never stack up and taxpayers / ratepayers are stuck paying the bills for ever.
  
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  April 29, 2023 9:14am
  - Nickc2
    
    They become bloody great White Elephants because Politicians past and present, likewise, Council Members can’t keep their effin noses out.
    Would you invest in anything where the likelihood of such intervention existed? I sure as hell wouldn’t!
    
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    April 29, 2023 9:24am
    - PeeJay
      
      While I can sympathise with your argument, to an extent, as someone who has actually read some of the actual business cases on these – and not the PR spun bullshit ones for public consumption – they never, ever stack up without significant public investment. Worse, the economic benefits are always marginal at best, but usually hopelessly optimistic – once you’ve read a few and know the phrases, you can tell when they are being optimistic. That is the real reason no private sector consortium ever builds a stadium to tap into this supposedly lucrative revenue stream – it doesn’t exist, therefore you get the usual waffle about generating economic benefits and so, but fundamentally they don’t stack up without massive public funding. And this isn’t just an NZ perspective – even in the free market bastion of the USA, these stadiums tend to be leeches on local taxpayers.
      Yep, political interference doesn’t help but it’s not even remotely a major reason why the private sector doesn’t go ahead and build these ‘gold mines’!
      
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      April 29, 2023 10:05am
    - Bob
      
      because Politicians…..
      including failed past politicians living locally.
      There completed the sentence for you Nick2
      
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      April 29, 2023 10:12am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It’s all about getting your name on a stadium. One that was never built was going down somewhere along Auckland Waterfront. It was going to be named ‘Mallard Stadium’ right or wrong. A white elephant that did not happen.
    Sooner or later they will run out of ‘other people’s money’ Maggie Thatcher.
    
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    April 29, 2023 10:35am
  - miltonF
    
    It’s bread and circuses. Literally no other reason. The more attention you pay to rugby, the less attention you pay to the sport of politics.
    
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    April 29, 2023 2:06pm
- House
  
  Whatever happens the funding should be via the NZEFU, NZ Cricket and so on as a percentage of their usage and rented out to contestants with ticket sales cover costs.
  The taxpayers and ratepayers should not be rogered by those with grandiose shiny projects and pet projects.
  Use the stadium in Dunedin and Christchurch as examples of what not to do.
  If these ideas are so damn good then private investment in the stadia should be a no brainer.
  
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  April 29, 2023 9:24am
  - Che Guava
    
    Look, we all love the free market and private investments and hate government intervention, until it comes to making the ratepayers and taxpayers fund our luxury items like sportsball venues.
    
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    April 29, 2023 11:08am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Every single event used to need a resource consent I was once told. To check if the facilities, parking, toilets, etc etc had changed since the last time.
  
  $95,000 a time for the inspections and the consent!
  
  Then they were limited to how many events a year they were allowed to hold…. etc etc.
  
  And then we all wonder why Eden Park runs at such a massive loss!
  
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  April 29, 2023 9:41am
  - Colville
    
    That is actually funny.
    Auckland Council charging itself $95K for a RC (20 < times a year?), talk about jobs for the boys.
    
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    April 29, 2023 12:27pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Who the is paying, in Dunedin we had to pay for ours but we received a miserly 10 mill
  
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  April 29, 2023 12:42pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Who wants to be equal with other folks?

education is the “bedrock of our egalitarian society and the great equaliser”.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2304/S00176/half-of-students-still-not-attending-school-regularly.htm
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April 29, 2023 8:07am
- peterwn
  
  Which is why the Left hate independent schools, charter schools, home education etc. But lefties will soon personally shun state education if they think alternative education suit their families’ circumstances.
  
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  April 29, 2023 8:17am
- CJames
  
  They are careful not to distinguish between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome. There are major differences. Most people believe in the first but strongly oppose the latter. Schools, even good one, have very little chance of overcoming the problems of dysfunctional home life. By the time they are 5, children have little chance of escaping their destiny
  
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  April 29, 2023 8:31am
  - PeeJay
    
    Would respectfully disagree, based entirely on my own circumstances. I came from an extremely dysfunctional family, had incredibly shit primary schooling and was effectively saved by 3 amazing teachers in high school that brought out the best in me. Amazing teachers can make a big impact, regardless of the students age or background.
    
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    April 29, 2023 9:29am
    - Bob
      
      Amazing teachers can…..
      PeeJay… therein lays the clue to our education failure…. quality teachers! not graduate basket weavers!
      
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      April 29, 2023 10:15am
      - Lara
        
        Lies!
        
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        April 29, 2023 8:01pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I was the same. Only at High School did I really want to learn. 3 great Teachers in Metalwork, Math, and Science. That was all I really needed. Math was great because I understand numbers. At that time I could multiply 3 numbers against 4 in my head! Often wondered how I would have turned out choosing Accountancy instead of Engineering.
      
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      April 29, 2023 10:43am
      - mawm
        
        Unhappier? Sitting behind a desk all day, shuffling paper. Probably richer.
        
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        April 29, 2023 12:08pm
      - david
        
        The great thing about accounting is that you really only need to add and subtract. Multiplying and dividing are rare events.
        
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        April 29, 2023 12:54pm
      - leoj
        
        Very likely you can figure things out, having a brain and good hands.
        
        The academics have to hire people like you to replace a fuse or a tap washer.
        
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        April 29, 2023 2:32pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @david,
        Multiplying works with percentages. Understanding percentages and reading/creating graphs is important.
        I guess I am quite lucky to understand this – I know instantly if the numbers are not right. Many times I would take a comp drawing back upstairs to the boss and say this is not right. The pathway to the final length are different – I cannot make this.
        
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        April 29, 2023 3:14pm
    - CJames
      
      You are one of those exception Peejay – but how many of those type of teachers are still in the system. They weren’t in Primary for you. Remember Primary teachers are now paid what Secondary ones are. And the pay doesn’t differentiate between star teachers and the rubbish time-servers.
      
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      April 29, 2023 11:04am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      PeeJay I’d posit that a huge number of factors “kept you on the rails” so to speak.
      Examples:
      Genetics
      Surrounding culture.
      The era in which you lived.
      Your general family culture (eg religious/woke/ criminal/military/police/druggy/alcoholic/sexual abuse).
      The people you ended up hanging around with (outside of family).
      Where you lived.
      How generally stable your upbringing was (regardless of extremely dysfunctional incidents).
      Whether or not you were brought up by both biological parents.
      Dumb random luck.
      
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      April 29, 2023 4:23pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Also add inherent relatability and looks.
        
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        April 29, 2023 4:49pm
      - zulumonster
        
        The Dunedin Study shows that a childs future can be very accurately predicted from a very early age based on a variety of factors. There will be exceptions but the study is internationally recognised.
        I suspect Bill English referenced it in his Social Investment Policy.
        
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        April 29, 2023 7:07pm
- PeeJay
  
  I don’t think there is anything wrong with an egalitarian society where everyone has equal rights and equal opportunities. Everyone should be equal under the law and have the same opportunity to succeed – what you do with it is entirely up to you.
  
  What I have a problem with is equality of outcome regardless of ability or effort, or worse, more rights (or excuses) based on your ethnicity.
  
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  April 29, 2023 9:25am
  - Debsta
    
    Spot on Peejay. The political class’ endless pursuit of equality of outcome is destroying once strong and proud nations. It ignores human nature/input and is therefore pissing in the wind. Unfortunately the blow back hits us more than them!
    
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    April 29, 2023 10:57am
  - Colville
    
    PeeJay.
    So how do we get around the fact that education is not a level playing field.?
    The teachers and opportunities available at a decile 1 is nothing like what are open to a rich kid at a decile 10.
    
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    April 29, 2023 12:43pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      So how do we get around the fact that education is not a level playing field.?
      
      Have a tight core curriculum of maths, literacy and science that is delivered and assessed at each year level at every state school.
      
      I like Singapore’s idea whereby Principals are rotated around schools…..(s’pose that would never catch on in NZ).
      
      https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/70-schools-to-get-new-principals-in-annual-reshuffle
      
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      April 29, 2023 4:34pm
      - Sacha
        
        That’s a cool idea – rotating principals. They’d be well-rounded, that’s for sure!
        
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        April 29, 2023 7:02pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFpUjyM0orQ

an interesting perspective on the nature of racism in the age of woke…
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April 29, 2023 8:09am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Wow. Another sane person speaks up on this. Good stuff 👍
  
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  April 29, 2023 4:40pm
Chuck Bird

The Act Party event in Hamilton with Nicole McKee and James McDowall was packed as I understand was the one in Tauranga. I ran into a couple of National Party members at the meeting.

I will be going to the event at Sky City Auckland on 4 June. The cost is only $50.
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April 29, 2023 8:09am
- artemisia
  
  Is Jamie Whyte still involved with ACT? I thought he was excellent, think he went overseas after the 2014 election. Hopefully he is at least still advising ACT. 2023 could be a good time for a high List place.
  
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  April 29, 2023 8:19am
  - Cassandra
    
    He’s in UK and not involved in ACT.
    
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    April 29, 2023 9:14am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I think he had some weird ideas on sex. I think it was about legalizing incest between consenting adults.
    
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    April 29, 2023 9:22am
    - Cassandra
      
      No it wasn’t. He raised the topic as an example of our selective morality. He was at pains to point out that he did not favour it but the media of course didn’t read that far and apparently neither did you.
      
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      April 29, 2023 9:51am
    - Mike
      
      He was too much of a libertarian for ACT.
      
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      April 29, 2023 9:52am
      - Michael Johnston
        
        That’s actually perfectly true. Whyte is an academic philosopher, and not cut out for the compromises that are inherent in getting things done politically. He’s a very smart man but was a hopeless politician for that reason. Seymour is cut from a different cloth, which is why he has taken ACT from near-oblivion to a solid base of about 12%.
        
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        April 29, 2023 10:13am
      - Mike
        
        Yes Michael, politics always trumps principle. It’s always instructive to consider the similarities between ACT and the Greens. Two collectives of wide-eyed zealots all convinced that their ideas are better than the stale and cynical politics that they oppose right up until they get some actual power.
        
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        April 29, 2023 10:49am
    - kowtow
      
      What’s ‘weird’ anymore ?
      
      Strikes me that what was once un natural , im moral , against this, that or the other belief system can now be deemed a ‘Human right’ or some such .
      
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      April 29, 2023 10:02am
    - Che Guava
      
      Like trannies, a libertarian can’t really make any good argument from their core principles (consent, freedom, agreement etc.) against incest. Under these principles, nobody is in a position to say that they can’t, because that would be an unacceptable restraint on peoples’ freedom.
      
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      April 29, 2023 11:18am
- Sparrow
  
  Just a question. If this meeting is open to everybody why do you have to pay $50 to get in ?
  
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  April 29, 2023 8:47am
  - House
    
    There is a Labour Party meeting in Dunedin soon open to everyone for $30 with the bonus of mingling with Helen Clarke.
    Cheaper than ACT however I’m not sure it offers as much value.
    
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    April 29, 2023 9:28am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      $30 to mingle with Helen Clark? Inflation is worse than I thought!
      
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      April 29, 2023 9:36am
      - Michael Johnston
        
        Personally I’d rather mingle with a school of ravenous piranhas than with Helen Clark.
        
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        April 29, 2023 10:15am
      - Bob
        
        economically illiterate fools are easily separated from their money.
        
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        April 29, 2023 10:17am
      - Matt Long
        
        Maybe I’ll pay ACT $30 for the pleasure of not having to mingle with Auntie Helen or her acolytes.
        
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        April 29, 2023 10:39am
      - JohnRidd
        
        They would have to pay me a lot more than $30.00
        
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        April 29, 2023 4:10pm
    - sirknz
      
      Is it fair to say that the taxpayer isn’t funding the ACT one to the same extent?
      
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      April 29, 2023 10:01am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Do you notice you never see a photo of Labour meetings? Either in the paper, or on MPs pages
      
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      April 29, 2023 12:52pm
  - rouppe
    
    The bus is open to everybody. The public pool is open to everybody.
    
    Why do you have to pay to ride a public bus? Why do you have to pay to use the public pool?
    
    Maybe it’s to pay for the hire of the venue. Maybe it’s to help with the costs of travelling around the country.
    
    “Open to everyone” is not the same as “free”.
    
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    April 29, 2023 10:19am
    - Sparrow
      
      Tks for the answers to my question as to why you have to pay to attend an open meeting. Why do I get down ticks for asking a question ? Strange. Frankly if politicians want to deliver their bullshit and lies to the people who pay their wages and some fall for it so be it. They or their party should pay.
      Yes I am naive and probably stupid to boot
      
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      April 29, 2023 10:41am
      - rouppe
        
        Frankly if politicians want to deliver their bullshit and lies to the people who pay their wages and some fall for it so be it.
        
        Great demonstration of what democracy and freedom looks like.
        
        These guys require a payment to go to the venue and hear then speak.
        
        You don’t want to go to it. Great. You neither have to hear what you don’t want, nor pay for someone else to hear it.
        
        The alternative is that (eg) all ratepayers or taxpayers, ie you, fund this. You would rightly be annoyed if that were so.
        
        But consider this. That is exactly what Labour and the Greens expect. All that talk about public funding of political parties? That’s so they don’t have to bother with the minor detail of appealing to anyone and generating funding.
        
        So while you may dislike the ACT party and not want to attend their events, you should at least respect them for not expecting you to pay for it.
        
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        April 29, 2023 12:02pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        I gave you an uptick for being truthful.
        
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        April 29, 2023 2:56pm
  - Mike
    
    Their commitment to free market principles will surely allow you to haggle about the price at the door.
    
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    April 29, 2023 10:50am
    - rouppe
      
      You are free to haggle. They are free to decline.
      
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      April 29, 2023 12:03pm
  - Ghost
    
    I was talking to someone yesterday who raised the point that Luxon was in town the other day and you had to pay to hear him, a good point was made that all that means is a room full of national people, not undecided voters. This was an undecided voter who said luxon would have been better to speak outside for free because most people aren’t going to pay to hear a politican.
    
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    April 29, 2023 1:00pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  You do understand Nat supporters do go to listen because they want to know what is on their agenda, don’t bother thinking that means they are changing their votes, by the way, all Nat meetings whether they are super blue day, a local get together with the Mp, or a town hall when Luxon is speaking are also packed to the gunnels, I do hear a lot of people who have voted labour all their lives have said they can’t vote Nats cause Tory (sigh) but could vote ACT and will either not vote or vote
  ACT
  
  All people who want the government gone will vote, and many disgruntled Labour voters will stay home, 2020 was a very high turnout, that won’t happen this time, and good luck with Labour doing better with over seas votes this time
  
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  April 29, 2023 12:49pm
- leoj
  
  Those ‘couple of National Party members’ may wish to let Luxon know, so he can throw them under the bus.
  
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  April 29, 2023 2:35pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Scripted questions and answers from the podium of truth?
Yes – and not just in New Zealand:

https://thedailymojo.com/biden-caught-red-handed-proving-press-conferences-are-rigged/
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April 29, 2023 8:11am
- Nickc2
  
  “Jess, Tova, no not you Barry!”
  They’re scripted and rehearsed. Don’t believe a word they say.
  
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  April 29, 2023 8:33am
Cassandra

Erebus memorial (“great concrete thing, should be at the airport” Mayor Brown) will not be at the Parnell Rose Garden. Good. But I see an entity called Ngati Whatua Orakei is a major decision maker. What’s with you New Zealanders? I carried placards and got into arguments in the 50s because a minority felt it had superior rights in South Africa. Were we wasting our time? Is racism OK after all?
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April 29, 2023 8:15am
- Mike
  
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  Good grief! Is that petty argument still continuing?
  
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  April 29, 2023 8:36am
  - Cassandra
    
    Petty argument? It was a big deal for me at the time, mike. I think democracy is a big deal, certainly, but views may differ.
    
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    April 29, 2023 9:16am
    - Mike
      
      Depends whether you think such decisions should be made by elected representatives or by polls of angry neighbors, I guess.
      
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      April 29, 2023 9:55am
      - rouppe
        
        Ngati Whatua are not elected representatives
        
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        April 29, 2023 10:22am
      - Mike
        
        rouppe – I was referring more to the nimby neighbors.
        
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        April 29, 2023 10:51am
  - Simon
    
    Not sure if the ins and outs of the Erebus memorial at Parnell Rose Gardens but the gardens are north facing. Which is the of course the wrong direction
    
    Interesting there is a small plaque at a small garden/ lawn on the road between the old airport golf course and the airport. The plaque has the names of all the air crew who died.
    
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    April 29, 2023 10:40am
- PeeJay
  
  It really is strange isn’t it?
  
  Minority rule by whites = bad. Minority rule by Maori = totally ok.
  
  Crazy idea – how about minority rule by any race = bad?
  
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  April 29, 2023 9:40am
- Burtland
  
  The neomarxists changed the racist-apartheid narrative – now you see it, now you dont. Its kind of like magic – they live in a virtual clown world thats very attractive to children.
  
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  April 29, 2023 9:45am
- MCōs
  
  Why is it that that placement of this memorial is so controversial when ugly great housing developments can spring up all over our neighbourhood.
  
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  April 29, 2023 10:44am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Biden whistleblower has sort of gone missing. Sound familiar?

https://billingsreport.com/whistleblower-who-has-explosive-testimony-against-the-bidens-has-disappeared/
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April 29, 2023 8:22am
- Inandout
  
  SO, can’t be Arkancide, unless….
  
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  April 29, 2023 8:37am
- Opie
  
  He will be found. 2 shots to the back of the head. The worst case of suicide I’ve ever seen.
  
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  April 29, 2023 9:40am
- geoff3012
  
  Clintonised or could be Bidenised
  
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  April 29, 2023 10:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There are now about 12 people linked to the Biden skullduggery. Lots of hush hush things to keep Joe as President, and hide those millions from China and Ukraine. Other Countries of course, but those are the main two.
  
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  April 29, 2023 11:01am
- mawm
  
  Steve – I don’t know who this guy is but his strange arrest in Cyprus for deportation to the US will put him out of the reach of Congress for questioning about the Biden’s financial deals. I guess he knows too much. I hope he’s not a depressive.
  
  https://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/gal-lufts-distressing-predicament/2023/03/24/
  
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  April 29, 2023 12:19pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Shall I name names? Well he did, Joe, Jim (Joe’s brother) and Hunter.
    The tentacles of corruption run deep. Maybe Killary has the shits and put a stop to it. Nobody has over 60 friends who committed suicide, well maybe one. The unofficial body count could be over 150.
    Where there is smoke there is fire. Some go to the length by publicly saying they are fine, if they are worried:
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/kari-lake-jokes-about-clinton-body-count-delighting-sean-hannity-on-fox-news
    
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    April 29, 2023 3:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Our struggling media:

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/mediaroom-stuffs-three-legged-paywall

Are we watching their death throes?
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April 29, 2023 8:24am
- Mike
  
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  It would be sad if the media died, Kiwiblog snowflakes would have much less to complain about.
  
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  April 29, 2023 8:38am
  - Cassandra
    
    Another welcome contribution. Not.
    
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    April 29, 2023 9:17am
  - RightNow
    
    Not seeing a down side to that.
    
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    April 29, 2023 9:42am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Going, going, gone, and that can only be a good thing.
  
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  April 29, 2023 8:39am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Be great to see some real news instead of commie propaganda.
    
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    April 29, 2023 11:03am
- Philview
  
  Stuff offered barely a criticism of Jacinda Ardern for 5 years but now applauds Chris Hipkins for ditching her main policies. That suggests Labour Party alignment rather than policy alignment. I have yet to pay for media but would pay for objective journalism that actually critiques power be it Left or Right.
  
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  April 29, 2023 8:53am
  - Paulus
    
    Which is why the Labour Party suggested that Ardern retire.
    
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    April 29, 2023 10:18am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Just a bit of honesty is all we want.
    
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    April 29, 2023 11:06am
- Tricati
  
  Bloody hope so.
  
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  April 29, 2023 8:55am
- marcw
  
  Well I can’t even find the Deaths list in The Press this morning, so maybe they are dead.
  
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  April 29, 2023 9:07am
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, I am offended that the banners have Maori in much smaller type than English.
  
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  April 29, 2023 9:44am
- Nickc2
  
  Govt propaganda machine to close down.
  Who cares and who gives an f……?
  Go woke, go broke as they say in the Classics.
  IMO, Journalists are not encouraged to read the Classics.
  
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  April 29, 2023 10:09am
- kowtow
  
  In today’s herald there’s a weekly column called “Media Insider” by Shane Currie.
  
  One item he discusses is the stuff paywall , also the Herald 4th year of subscriptions.
  This sentence is interesting;
  “Business and political journalism is a big driver of subscription around the world.”
  I suppose people with means are prepared to pay for quality , interesting news and views. The rest , not so much.
  
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  April 29, 2023 10:11am
- nathie
  
  Stupid Stuff decide to stuff themselves even more!
  
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  April 29, 2023 10:17am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  The media died in NZ a long time ago. What we have now are the propaganda departments for globalist Marxist activists.
  
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  April 29, 2023 11:05am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

JUDGE ORDERS HUNTER BIDEN TO COURT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT LAPTOP.
Let’s see Daddy defend him now.

https://billingsreport.com/judge-orders-hunter-biden-to-court-to-answer-questions-about-laptop/
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April 29, 2023 8:26am
- Nickc2
  
  Will they rig the Courts as they have done for Trump?
  Justice in the US is bought, not administered.
  It’s rather like NZ, where we have Justice and Health managed according to Post Code.
  
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  April 29, 2023 10:15am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Hunter will lie under Oath as many do. Even people like AG Merrick Garland lie onder Oath.
    Had it happen to me. Car accident, two poms put their hands on the Bible, swear to tell the truth and proceed to lie through their teeth! I tried to bait the guy outside Court afterwards. Just wanted him ti hit me (cameras everywhere) Plod cam around the corner and stuffed my plan – bastard.
    
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    April 29, 2023 3:39pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Under* ffs
      
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      April 29, 2023 3:39pm
Bridgenag

Friday funnies
https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/friday-funnies-no-coming-back-from?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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April 29, 2023 8:35am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I put a few on Facebook. Tucker one is a hoot!
  
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  April 29, 2023 3:40pm
Widogast Corwin

In Wellington for the weekend. It has been a while since my last visit.

Very heavy traffic on the Uber ride from the airport. I noticed the new multi million dollar pedestrian crossing on SH1 next to Evans Bay. I asked the Uber driver about it. He laughed, saying he had never seen the lights turn red. Never seen a pedestrian use it.

Traffic crawled towards and through Mount Victoria Tunnel. Emerging from the tunnel at walking pace, I am greeted by a large billboard with the smiling face of Julie Ann Genter “Your Wellington based Green MP”. 😂
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April 29, 2023 8:36am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Should push the crossing button to see if it actually works or if it is just a Council ornament.
  
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  April 29, 2023 8:49am
- Southern Raider
  
  Didn’t she cycle while pregnant to Auckland Hospital? That’s a long ride for two from Wellington
  
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  April 29, 2023 8:50am
  - H. Upmann
    
    She was living in Mt Eden at that time. About 3km, mostly easy cycling terrain.
    
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    April 29, 2023 9:44am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    IIRC she relocated from Auckland to Wellington
    
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    April 29, 2023 9:54am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      To be closer to the Government tit
      
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      April 29, 2023 7:22pm
- pdm
  
  `I am greeted by a large billboard with the smiling face of Julie Ann Genter “Your Wellington based Green MP”.’
  
  WC I hope you did not lose your breakfast.
  
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  April 29, 2023 8:57am
  - Paulus
    
    Bet Taxpayers paid for it !
    
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    April 29, 2023 10:19am
- Nickc2
  
  smiling face of Julie Ann Genter
  “Please take me back to the Airport driver.”
  Wgtn has no taste whatsoever eh?
  
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  April 29, 2023 9:04am
- Prince
  
  Interesting, a Wellington-based MP for Auckland Central.
  It’s a small world.
  
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  April 29, 2023 10:46am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Wrong Green. You’re thinking of Chlo-less
    
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    April 29, 2023 7:23pm
- MCōs
  
  I used to live in Kilbirnie in the 70/80s
  The Mt Vic tunnel was jammed with traffic way back then with constant muttering about an additional tunnel.
  I used to ride a bike to work. Didn’t do me much good. Now I’m a physical wreck!
  
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  April 29, 2023 10:54am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Just goes to show that morons have been standing in the way of progress since forever
    
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    April 29, 2023 7:24pm
Chuck Bird

Mark Lister is a very smart guy.

Mark Lister: Tax changes – why I am worried the Government will get it wrong

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/mark-lister-tax-changes-why-i-am-worried-the-government-will-get-it-wrong/VOCKRB6JOZDLRCX2RLRODTI2OE/
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April 29, 2023 8:37am
- Taieri
  
  The Minister Parker did not see it fit to elaborate on some aspects of this report:
  
  “The salary earner who pays 22 per cent of income tax on that $80,000 pay packet might not be paying quite that much either.
  He or she might own a home or property which has increased in value (meaning their economic income is higher than $80,000), while they might get some of that tax back by way of Working for Families.”
  
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  April 29, 2023 9:00am
  - rouppe
    
    I think their straw-person rented and didn’t own any assets. They did not use as a sample a classic middle class salaried person who has their home, KiwiSaver and another investment vehicle, nor did they include a small business owner who was building up a Jim’s Mowing franchise, or was the owner of a small building/electrical/plumbing supplies business.
    
    And that was deliberate.
    
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    April 29, 2023 10:31am
    - Taieri
      
      I have no income at the moment, except of some small dividends. My house has increased in paper value by some $150K or so. Does it make me richer?
      
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      April 29, 2023 11:37am
      - rouppe
        
        Family home, so by the magic of alternative thinking, you aren’t any better off.
        
        If the same was true of a rental property you own, while you were renting a state house, then it not only made you richer, it was $150k of “income”.
        
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        April 29, 2023 12:07pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Was interesting on social media with lefties going on about only paying 8% tax and trying to point out to them that’s around $2.5M for many of them, how much tax do you pay? Then get the response it’s only 8%
  
  The real issue with tax in NZ which I haven’t even seen ACT call out is that 50% of kiwis are actually bludgers as they pay no net tax at all
  
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  April 29, 2023 9:26am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Thanks to all those contributors to our society. Both the living and those that made their contribution in days gone by. Take pride in the fact you are a contributor.
    
    We have too many people that have no gratitude for the contribution that others make to their lives.
    
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    April 29, 2023 12:21pm
Southern Raider

Typical example of life under Labour

Auckland Hospital introduced a limit on C Sections which could be done under private specialists. Rationale seems to be Māori and Pacifica were missing out as they couldn’t afford them and the public service didn’t have enough resources.

So rather than fix the underlying issue eg get more resources they claim lack of equality and pull everyone down to the lowest level.
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April 29, 2023 8:45am
- PeeJay
  
  Socialist approach since forever though isn’t it. Raising the bar is just far too hard. Much easier to lower the bar and hey presto, everyone is equal. Equally miserable, poor, suffering on waiting lists (or not even getting on a waiting list), suffering from crime etc.
  
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  April 29, 2023 9:47am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  Aren’t C sections by definition essential? ie the alternative is life threatening, or at least high risk?
  
  It is not the same as a hip replacement. There is no outcome that has the baby staying in there.
  
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  April 29, 2023 9:58am
  - Matt Long
    
    There is the too posh to push group who choose elective caesarians allegedly.
    
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    April 29, 2023 10:50am
  - Joely Doe
    
    All C-sections that occur before labour starts (contractions) are defined as ‘elective’ – despite most being medically necessary. The ‘too posh to push’ is a myth.
    
    Our 3x kids were all C-sections due to a smaller that average pelvic opening – both mother and baby could have died in childbirth.
    
    Despite this, we were castigated by the midwife for suggesting that US scans were necessary, were told by a GP not to bother, and told the OB-GYN that we would pay for US scans privately to check (we are both medical so have passed Anatomy 101).
    
    Once scans were completed the OB-GYN scheduled the C-section and told us were were lucky it was caught in time!
    
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    April 29, 2023 12:45pm
- Paulus
  
  So what, special people get special treatment first.
  
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  April 29, 2023 10:21am
- Bob
  
  pull everyone down to the lowest level…
  that’s Socialism for you!
  
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  April 29, 2023 10:21am
- mawm
  
  There are 2 issues as I see it. The first is that NZ has midwife led childbirth and since HC they have a very powerful voice in the MOH. Their business model is vaginal birth at all costs because otherwise they are handing over care to doctors. This is supported by the WHO who want only 18% CS rate if I recall correctly, because that is what happens in impoverished third world nations and we can’t have developed countries doing better. The second is that with prophylactic antibiotics if a woman is going to have 1 or 2 children then CS is safer for both mom and baby, and the costs of childbirth are lower for them than those having vaginal deliveries.
  
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  April 29, 2023 3:18pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/why-strategy-is-crucially-important/

Strategy Phase two. Good to see Joy getting involved. She is young and wants to speak to a younger audience. It needs to be done, so the younger can understand what this Stop Co-Governance movement is all about.
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April 29, 2023 9:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Phase Four – Awareness. Getting ads on radio.
  Personally I would like to see an add or a short video on TV. With the current crowd I doubt is very much. The lies on TV1 and TV 3 need to be called out.
  Here is one lie:
  When members of local iwi Ngāti Manuhiri and members of Te Herenga Waka o Ōrewa Marae responded with the reo Māori verse, Stop Co-Governance supporters turned their backs, and someone called out “Oh god, here we go.”
  It should be noted that the protesters were at the back of the hall, separated by a line of about 15 Police.
  
  The supporters did not turn their backs, they sat down in their chairs to face the speaker Julian Batchelor. Shoddy reporting by Jody O’Callaghan/Stuff.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/131548116/anti-cogovernance-tour-breaches-human-rights-act-mori-ward-councillor-says.
  
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  April 29, 2023 9:59am
TripeWryter

I have said it before and I must say it again:
Every so often Andrea Vance of stuff drops her Pravda Hackette persona and remembers she is, well, you know, a journalist.
Her first-part profile of National Party leader Christopher Luxon this morning is interesting and amazingly fair.
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April 29, 2023 9:26am
- Burtland
  
  Andrea Vance is as predictable as BitCoin
  
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  April 29, 2023 9:56am
- Mike
  
  True journalism is only ever something the reader agrees with.
  
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  April 29, 2023 9:56am
  - TripeWryter
    
    Not so, Mike. Journalism used to be about telling the truth.
    I was a member of a subbery for 20 or so years.
    It was a while ago but I like to think I can still recognise and respect good journalism.
    Whether she is being a Pravda Hackette or a journalist Andrea Vance is quite a good writer – probably one of the better ones in this country.
    I have no particular thoughts about Christopher Luxon. He is not my local candidate.
    What does interest me is whether the party he leads will do to solo parents and the unemployed what the dreadful Ruth Richardson and the diabolical parson’s daughter Jennifer Shipley did to us solo parents in 1991 while the Catholic Jim Bolger stood by and let them.
    To his credit, so a member of that National caucus later told me, another Catholic, a young Bill English, was horrified by the carnage being unleashed on people at the bottom of the heap who did not have the means to hit back.
    We were easy targets, Mike, and the dreadful and diabolical twins were able to stoke the hard-working middle-class’s resentment against us and support Ms Richardson’s Mother of All Budgets.
    We weren’t all lazy teenage mothers – the popular stereotype – opening our legs to loafer all-comers to get pregnant and cop the DPB and a state house.
    Probably most of us, according to figures I got from Social Welfare back then, were men and women in their late 20s, through their 30s and into their 40s, who’d been abandoned by partners wanting something else, with someone else, and somewhere else.
    We were left holding the babies.
    But despite that we got on with job of bringing up our children, sending them to school, and turning out hard-working and productive citizens.
    And the awful Ruth and Jenny and the equally appalling John Luxton (he gave us market rents), with Jim’s connivance (until he began to dimly perceive what he had allowed; apparently Mrs Bolger, who never interfered in politics, began to share Bill English’s disquiet) made us scapegoats for the country’s poor economic state.
    I’m inclined this year to give my party vote to Act despite David Seymour’s attitude to solo parents and unemployed on benefits.
    That should show how much I loathe the current, post-Jacinda Labour Party.
    
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    April 29, 2023 10:58am
    - BeaB
      
      Perhaps it’s time to move on. That was all a very long time ago. Different people, different times.
      Labour will stay right where they are if we split/waste our votes.
      We either want Labour out or we are only playing silly games.
      Two ticks National. Anything else is just noise.
      
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      April 29, 2023 1:50pm
- BeaB
  
  Too many nasty little digs and snide irrelevancies for my liking. Dragging in Mitt Romney for gods sake!
  
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  April 29, 2023 1:51pm
I remember when

How dirty old used cars from the US and Europe carry on polluting in Africa:
Between 2015-2018 some 14 million used vehicles wer exported from the EU, US and Japan, with 40% going to Africa.
In Ghana, for every 100 vehicles, 80 to 90 are used vehicles.
Exports of used cars are expected to increase as EVs take over.

So which is going to happen first, will power shortages cause problems for the exports or will the banning of imports restrict travel for Africans?
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April 29, 2023 9:57am
- nathie
  
  Whatever happens first I’d imagine Africans will still be driving (and keeping their economies going) …. whilst we in the West are stationary due to: over emphasis in renewables, leading to power outages and EV charge bans; supply chain issues with vital car electronics; Labour & Greens imposing increasing road user charges and David Parker’s new 200% petrol taxes; Julie Ann Genter’s future new city 20km/h and open road 60 km/hr speed limits; urban streets converted to cycleways; new tram tracks everywhere (but nation can’t afford the actual trams) … wonder if Africa might see boat loads of refugees arriving from fleeing this madness in Aotearoa!
  
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  April 29, 2023 12:37pm
I remember when

Lytton (Pop 210) Canada:
Record heat dome temperature 49.6C, 29 June, 2021.
Report states, according to scientists the temperature ‘was statistically impossible.’
Report from a new study:
The deadly heat wave that struck Western Canada in 2021 would have been ‘virtually impossible’ without human-induced climate warming.

Still so many questions wanting for answers!
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April 29, 2023 10:03am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I read something about this by Cliff Mass on Wattsup a while back. Upshot was that the ‘human-caused’ influence on this weather event _might_ have amounted to some fraction of a degree of extra warming. Nature did the rest.
  
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  April 29, 2023 4:09pm
Rusty

Talk of Eden park having a roof and new stands?

Eden park was upgraded in 2011 for the RWC only 12 years ago with tens of millions of dollars spent on it.

I thought that was the end of it?
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April 29, 2023 10:05am
- MCōs
  
  The problem, as I see it, is the piss poor access for patrons.
  Furthermore
  That leads to low attendance; together with poor identification with the franchises who play there, most notably the Blues, the Aces.
  The grandson of a Facebook friend of mine who was over visiting her from Oz caught the train from Leeds to watch Arsenal. He paid £250 for the game ticket. People hardly cross the street to see the Blues.
  
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  April 29, 2023 11:09am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    How much is also due to it being a city of immigrants that have no intention to spend their dish watching a sport/team they have zero affiliation with? Seems to be no problem attracting a crowd when the Indian cricket team is in town.
    
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    April 29, 2023 12:29pm
    - MCōs
      
      You think an Australian should have any affiliation with Arsenal?
      Furthermore
      Those hot shot EPL teams have more fans in Asia than they do in jolly England.
      
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      April 29, 2023 4:12pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        The other factor is engaging fans into the game – used to happen here in NZ with English football, when they played match of the day on tv on Sunday. You can tell what age someone is based on who the top team was at the time.
        
        English ex-pats have also spread there passion for the round ball game far and wide.
        
        Auckland rugby performing badly in the prof era hasn’t helped get new fans onboard.
        
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        April 29, 2023 8:14pm
I remember when

“Broadly in favour of water reforms: Opinion:
Porirua Councillor Ross Leggett.”
Why?
“Simply because, we lack the funding ability over the long-term to tackle our infrastructure deficit.
No matter what they say all councils in NZ, except perhaps Auckland, will be behind in either their current provsion, or future ability to fund their Three Waters assets.”

So it is a funding and expertise issue and needs to be legislated as such.
Adding a Treaty aspect to it just simply ‘muddies the water.’
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April 29, 2023 10:23am
Maggie Pie

Only just back inside now after securing the pool umbrellas.
Sounds like we could be in for another visit from Gabrielle tonite.

Tell you something I found a bit disturbing. You would have thort The-Mental-Health-Foundation would have at least taken the time to peruse that nasty trans Shaneell social media accounts before appointing him their…. ‘Anti Bullying Ambassador’

https://twitter.com/Jo_Bond/status/1651735734003580929

Have you ever seen such hostility exhibited towards women 🙁
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April 29, 2023 10:37am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Someone did an excellent job of gathering Lal’s abusive, nasty bullying in one place. He is a very unpleasant pos.
  
  https://acesnz.substack.com/p/shaneel-lals-trannifesto
  
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  April 29, 2023 12:41pm
oldfella

I saw a story on one of the TV news bulletins last night about Ukraine struggling to get enough ammunition to defend itself.
IIRC, during Cindy’s reign, NZ was encouraged to give the Ukrainians a bunch of small, older, missiles that were about to reach their ‘use by’ date. No longer any use to us, but the Ukrainians said they could definitely use them. Cindy said no.
Anyone know what happened to those missiles?
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April 29, 2023 11:10am
- Che Guava
  
  Where did the circa 200 billion USD go?
  
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  April 29, 2023 11:20am
- Nickc2
  
  I they exist, they’re probably sitting in Museums alongside ancient Maori relics.
  
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  April 29, 2023 12:16pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300864780/brothers-who-supplied-meth-to-support-family-after-fathers-death-avoid-jail
This judge is out of touch. Or threatened.
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April 29, 2023 11:22am
Maggie Pie

I see there’s heaps of speculation among the local Twitterati this morning….that Cindy has told Chippie she would like her Damehood BEFORE she heads to Harvard.

Anyone else here heard that yet?
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April 29, 2023 11:35am
- Clyde
  
  Such high honours should be for people who have positively contributed to NZ. Cindy fails on that one for a starter. But of course it might have all been part of the meaningful discussions that happened around the time Cindy decided to jump. Would have loved to be a fly on those walls.
  
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  April 29, 2023 11:43am
  - Paulus
    
    Like I would like to see the secret agreement that Ardern and Peters signed.
    
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    April 29, 2023 1:25pm
Nickc2

Prince @ 1046AM
I may be interpreting you incorrectly, but isn’t Chloe Swarbrick the MP for Central Akld? Link
Never mind, point taken. You can rest assured whoever it is doesn’t cycle, walk, or ride a broomstick to and from Wgtn eh?
Oh, the CO2 and resultant Climate Change. Hypocrites the lot of em!

[Mod – fixed link]
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April 29, 2023 12:02pm
ClanMcleod

Re the Tucker Carlson fiasco and the impending death of mainstream media which is accelerating everywhere.

A US counter-terror expert Scott Bennett stated:

<Tucker needed to be “silenced” because he represented too big a threat to the “powers and principalities, institutions and agendas that seek an unenlightened uninformed semi lobotomized quasi retarded population that do not question, do not research, do not analyze but simply digest and follow instructions

Sums up NZ media perfectly.

“Tucker Carlson also exposed the fraud and money laundering racketeering crimes of FTX and the Democrat Party in Ukraine involving the United States government. He exposed the US biochemical labs in Ukraine and their connection to the Democrat Party

The ex-host’s anti-regime rhetoric “could no longer be tolerated by the corrupt American media and political establishment,” said Bennett, adding that his exit signals “the death of American media”.

As we highlighted earlier, one of the reasons behind Tucker’s dismissal is a lawsuit fired by former show producer Abby Grossberg, who claims she was bullied and subjected to sexist and anti-semitic harassment.

However, Grossberg’s own lawyer revealed that she has never even met Carlson.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ex-us-army-psyops-expert-fox-news-fired-carlson-maintain-semi-lobotomized-quasi-retarded

Like so many others in recent years who challenge the narrative and speak truth to power, they are hounded and smeared and de platformed. No conspiracies, these are facts. The curtain has been pulled back and all of the conspiracy theories have turned out to be true.

Of note is the fact that a short video Carlson put out after he was sacked was viewed more than 57 million times within 24 hours.
As a comparison, Joe Biden’s relaunch video had garnered 41.8 million views in a similar time frame.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/3975690-tucker-carlson-video-nets-57-million-views-in-less-than-24-hours/

Mainstream media is dying. It is long overdue. NZ is one of the worst places in the world for narrative control. No wonder they are all begging for money.
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April 29, 2023 12:10pm
Maggie Pie

Great to see Sean pick up on my earlier post regarding ‘pinkshirtlifters day’

https://twitter.com/SeanPlunket/status/1652085127940550657
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April 29, 2023 12:15pm
Ghost

Bloody hell, something seriously wrong with a bunch of todays teachers

Five adults are facing criminal charges after they were captured on video forcing an elementary student to eat his own vomit, according to documents filed against them.

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April 29, 2023 1:10pm
Maggie Pie

OMG…what a complete arsehat that Lal bloke is!
Reckons women are “jealous of him” because he gets laid more times than they do 😛

OK. I guess everyone’s got the right to be a twat, but he abuses the privilege.

https://twitter.com/AgentRackersby/status/1652113640072310786
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April 29, 2023 1:33pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  If he’s right, there are clearly some very desperate people out there.
  
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  April 29, 2023 1:54pm
- Taieri
  
  A very profound utterance from our much admired Young New Zealander of the Year 2023.
  
  “Go fu*k yourself you stupid as*hole”
  
  But then again…
  
  “In true bravery, Shaneel Lal is enabling a brighter, more inclusive future for Aotearoa, and the communities they serve. Shaneel Lal contributed to not only a win for the queer community, but also for our country.”
  
  https://nzawards.org.nz/news/young-new-zealander-year-2023/
  
  So what next? A damehood or whatever they do to ennoble the undecided?
  
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  April 29, 2023 2:03pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Bottom line? Mental Health needs looking at, and not by other ‘Professionals’ with a Mental Health issue.
  
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  April 29, 2023 4:17pm
- Prince
  
  Wow. Kiwibank Young New Zealander of the Year.
  
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  April 29, 2023 8:01pm
I remember when

Allowing overseas-based players into the All Blacks would be a disaster for NZ rugby. Ian Foster.

Well at least he got that one right.
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April 29, 2023 1:49pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  How about some Females who identify as Males?
  
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  April 29, 2023 4:19pm
- Ian Boag
  
  After all – look at all the damage it has done to rugby in SA and Oz and Argentina. I think most of the Georgia team play in Euro (non-Georgian) clubs ….
  
  Go figure.
  
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  April 29, 2023 4:49pm
Maggie Pie

Here’s something I didn’t know…

New Zealand sexologist John Money hailed from Morrinsville.
Also went on to gain his PhD at Harvard University.
A friend of Helen as well by all accounts.

https://twitter.com/investigatemag/status/1652125014332948480
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April 29, 2023 2:36pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Creep.
  
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  April 29, 2023 3:46pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  John Money, Margaret Wilson and Jacinda Ardern; all from Morrinsville.
  Research could be done on that Topehahae Stream that supplies that town’s water.
  
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  April 29, 2023 4:52pm
- nathie
  
  A totally sick bastard – see the “David Reimer” and “Janet Frame” segments (etc) from wikipedia:
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money
  
  How did he avoid enlisting in WW2? Perhaps if that had happened society may have been saved from this abuser and enabler of dysfunction and mental health problems for many, many people if his life took a different course.
  
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  April 29, 2023 4:57pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    He avoided it by being at University.
    
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    April 29, 2023 7:13pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING!!

Documents reveal the Biden-crime-family controls 10% of a ‘CCP Investment Fund’ via their family lawyer….

https://twitter.com/TheCollectiveQ/status/1652139294512025600
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April 29, 2023 3:55pm
Ghost

Thanks to the police, now they will be put in the justice system and we‘ll see them back in the media soon

A group of girls as young as 12 have been caught in relation to a string of break ins and a ramraid in Christchurch in the early hours of Saturday.

A supermarket, fish and chip shop and dairy in Christchurch were all targeted by the alleged thieves.

A group of girls, two aged 12, one 14-year-old and one 15-year-old were caught at 10.15am on Saturday after a report about driving behaviour from a member of the public, a police spokesperson said.

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April 29, 2023 4:24pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Coming to New Zealand?

https://dailyallegiant.com/she-built-a-classroom-for-non-white-students-and-they-just-told-her-she-can/

Well some have started with a Maori entity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Te_Aka_Whai_Ora

Then go to http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
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April 29, 2023 4:33pm
NZer In Exile

Triggernometry Podcast: I was a woke activist. Not any more.

https://audioboom.com/posts/8287476-i-was-a-woke-activist-not-anymore-amala-ekpunobi

Quote: “I was really good at running my mouth and twisting words.”
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April 29, 2023 4:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Finger chopped off, stupid kid.

https://dailyallegiant.com/a-man-has-sued-lowes-after-his-trip-to-the-store-ended-up-in-a-sickening-amputation-5/

Nek minit another stupid kid plays with a grubber and chops off toes?

What is it with parents educating kids?
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April 29, 2023 4:43pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Oh lookie, one automatic downtick. Did not know you were still here ……
  
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  April 29, 2023 5:15pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

All roads lead to Rome, in this case Washington DC.
The roads lead to Nancy Pelosi. She was right in – stopping Trump getting the National Guard of 10 to 20 thousand. Pelosi stopped it.
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April 29, 2023 5:40pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sorry I forgot the link.
  https://thepatriotnation.net/newly-accessed-jan-6th-video-has-revealed-nearly-80-possible-government-agents/
  
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  April 29, 2023 5:41pm
Drone

I see that we Wellingtonians are set for a bumper year in 2024. Realignment of the tax system to make it fairer for all, new high-speed trains on all local lines and new four times daily services to Levin and Masterton, light rail to Island Bay and a second Mount Vic tunnel. To steal a phrase from Rishi Sunak we truly are a Unicorn Nation..
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April 29, 2023 5:47pm
- Ghost
  
  South Island has been trying to get passenger rail from Christchurch to Dunedin for years, guess the govt only cares about Auckland and Wellington
  
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  April 29, 2023 5:49pm
Prince

Kelvin Davis was supposedly sacked from Cabinet in disgrace for selling Cabinet secrets to his donors.
But he would stay on to ‘save the cost of a by-election.
Now he crops up on TV1 News as ‘Acting Minister of Education’, trying to smooth over the appalling Education attendance figures.
There is no corruption in New Zealand , and Labour is setting new standards of ethics and transparency.
Just more lies from Hipkins and his gang of thugs.
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April 29, 2023 6:15pm
- Ghost
  
  Wrong politician. Stuart Nash was the one sacked
  
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  April 29, 2023 6:17pm
  - Prince
    
    Sorry, my mistake.
    
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    April 29, 2023 8:00pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  You’re having a bad day identifying politicians there, Prince
  
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  April 29, 2023 7:50pm
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    It is getting hard to distinguish between the liars and the non liars and who is caught out this week or have they been good for a month and shouldn’t now be called a liar until they do it again .
    
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