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Maggie Pie

RIP Jerry Springer.
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April 28, 2023 8:01am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Shez first Harry, now Jerry
  
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  April 28, 2023 8:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  On the idiot box this morning I see Helen Clark in favour of decrminalising some drugs. Not sure she was in favour of that when she was PM.
  Maybe she was too busy spending Taxpayer money and wrecking NZ?
  
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  April 28, 2023 8:05am
  - Nickc2
    
    It’ll be a quick way to increase immigration Labour Style.
    Turn NZ into a Junkies Paradise.
    That’ll provide an avenue for Chloe Swarbrick to become PM and Helen Clark to become President for Life of the South Pacific Junkie Paradise AKA Aotearoa.
    
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    April 28, 2023 8:15am
    - sirknz
      
      Dear Leader of The PSPJPA.
      
      The People’s South Pacific Junkie Paradise of Aotearoa.
      
      Has a nice ring to it, kind of hollow…
      
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      April 28, 2023 8:49am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Kind of hard to swallow too!
        
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        April 28, 2023 3:05pm
    - I remember when
      
      Yes, when we hear about the increasing number of impoverished, living on the street, mental problems, the increases in criminality and youth behaviour, do we have to wonder how much it is influenced by our non-criminalising of social drugs.
      No, there may not be any easy answers but have we made the right ones.
      
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      April 28, 2023 9:04am
      - Che Guava
        
        The drug that causes far and away the most social issues is alcohol. To be consistent, do you think alcohol should be banned as well? I suspect a lot of people give themselves a pass when it comes to their “beersies” and the like. Personally, I could live with all of them being banned.
        
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        April 28, 2023 11:18am
      - mawm
        
        Weed and immature brains is a bad combination. There is enough evidence out there of the mental illnesses caused by smoking weed especially in one’s teens.
        
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        April 28, 2023 11:30am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @ mawm,
        I don’t know about pot causing mental illness, but problems do arise when one has a mental illness and stops medication – then self medicates with pot/weed is where many problems start. They are giving me drugs, so I will have my own drug.
        Combination of both can be a nightmare.
        Yes, it is close to home, so I know.
        
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        April 28, 2023 3:11pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Sounds silly, but is it? Finish the job of destroying New Zealand.
      
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      April 28, 2023 9:07am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Pretty sure she was for pot, but she will be running the UN line of decriminalise all drugs now
    
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    April 28, 2023 8:31am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Comrade Hulun was a beacon of sanity compared to the current lot!!!
    
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    April 28, 2023 4:17pm
- kowtow
  
  Born in the London Underground ,air raid shelter ,WW2.
  
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  April 28, 2023 8:11am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Jewish.
    
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    April 28, 2023 9:01am
    - Che Guava
      
      Pathos was his stock in trade, and he did so well out of it. RIP Jerry.
      
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      April 28, 2023 12:16pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Jerry was definitely your kind of chat show host, eh Maggie!
  
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  April 28, 2023 11:33am
Matt Long

https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/research/rock-dust#:~:text=Off-,Adding%20crushed%20rock%20dust%20to%20farmland%20could%20draw%20down%20up,by%20the%20University%20of%20Sheffield.
“Basalt rock dust added to farm land can draw down billions of tons of CO² from the atmosphere.”
The NZ Uniparty, nothing to see here, move along, move along.
Tax and pine trees, tax and pine trees and don’t eat meat or dairy.
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April 28, 2023 8:04am
- dubya
  
  An interesting idea, but the article describes it as ‘silicate rock dust’ which is basically the new asbestos for health and safety in construction/heavy industry – cutting engineered stone bench tops probably the most high profile example.
  
  Can it be applied safely?
  
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  April 28, 2023 8:24am
  - Matt Long
    
    Most rock dust applications I’ve done have been in blends that have little visible dust. There have been concerns raised about serpentine which is fairly commonly used as a magnesium source by sellers of other magnesium products.
    
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    April 28, 2023 8:46am
  - Bevan
    
    I think the main problem is manufactured stones, not neccesarily natural stones.
    
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    April 28, 2023 9:23am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    dubya – I think this is one of those instances when masks actually work…….
    
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    April 28, 2023 10:46am
    - Beth
      
      It would be the only one .. oh, and to stop real connections between people. Masks do real well at that.
      
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      April 28, 2023 11:39am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Fabulous –
  
  Grind up Rangitoto Is and apply it to our farms…..
  
  (and if it gets too warm, grind up Central Auckland….)
  
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  April 28, 2023 8:24am
  - Taieri
    
    grind up Central Auckland
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    Including its elected representative?
    
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    April 28, 2023 9:09am
- Burtland
  
  so we put up a wind turbine to provide the electricity to power the machine to grind the rocks and power the trucks that spread the dust to remove the CO2 and in the process destroy the land
  
  so why not put up a wind turbine to provide the electricity to power the cars
  
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  April 28, 2023 9:40am
- Planet B
  
  More CO2 in the atmosphere is a net benefit to the globe and has FA effect on warming. These are well known scientific facts but in this day and age inconvenient facts are disinformation. Stop pandering to the CO2 hate.
  
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  April 28, 2023 11:45am
CJames

For all those people that think Tucker Carlson is a one dimensional right-wing rabblerouser, this interview where Mark Steyn interviewed him is an eyeopener.
https://youtu.be/-gQBcKcUkYA
Tucker is self-aware, has a lot of thoughtful insights and more compassion than any of the politicians or activists that decry him. Though that is not at all unexpected. It is why the left so hated him. He could see through their hypocrisy and was quite prepared to call it out.
And his favorite activity is flyfishing!
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April 28, 2023 8:05am
- Caine9
  
  Yeah, but he hid his own hypocrisy well from public view.
  
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  April 28, 2023 8:16am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Most hypocrites do – little David Waititi notwithstanding.
    
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    April 28, 2023 9:21am
- ClanMcleod
  
  CJames – of note is the fact that Mark Steyn, like Tucker Carlson, was removed from his position for daring to speak truth to power.
  
  Same with Andrew Bridgen, Conservative MP
  
  Same with James O’Keefe at Project Veritas
  
  Same with Glenn Beck at Fox in 2011
  
  The mainstream media has become nothing more than a corrupt propaganda machine.
  
  During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
  
  ―George Orwell
  
  We live in times of universal deceit.
  
  Here is an example of the “single source of truth” Ardern highlighted and the media parrot daily.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fHfgU8oMSo
  
  Here is one of the highlights of Tucker Carlson’s last speeches before being sacked.
  
  And once you say one true thing and stick with it, all kinds of other true things occur to you. The truth is contagious. Lying is, but the truth is as well. And the second you decide to tell the truth about something, you are filled with this, I don’t want to get supernatural on you, but you are filled with this power from somewhere else.
  
  Try it. Tell the truth about something. You feel it every day. The more you tell the truth, the stronger you become. That’s completely real. It’s measurable in the way that you feel.
  
  Carlson carries on, these comments define the mainstream media in NZ and the majority of our politicians.
  
  And of course, the opposite is also true. The more you lie, the weaker and more terrified you become. We all know that feeling. You lie about something, and all of a sudden, you’re a prisoner of that lie. You are diminished by it. You are weak and afraid.
  
  Sourced from this lengthy but excellent substack post.
  
  https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/big-pharmas-destruction-of-american
  
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  April 28, 2023 9:01am
  - leoj
    
    Very disappointed to see Andrew Bolt cop out to the corporate line in his negative comments about Carlson.
    That was a wake up call for me.
    So much for trust in the news media, even for the so called conservatives.
    As for Fox, their drift to the left has been steady, starting with Glenn Beck’s departure and most recently, Dan Bongino.
    Cable TV news is now a dinosaur.
    
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    April 28, 2023 10:21am
    - NoFax
      
      I was surprised to see Bolt’s tone on it but he did give a good insight – can’t be bigger than Fox. And I think that’s the real issue. Fox will survive and I’m sure Tucker will do very well too. But Fox couldn’t have Tucker get any bigger without it hurting it in the long term.
      
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      April 28, 2023 1:37pm
      - leoj
        
        And Bolt’s capitulation doesn’t bother you?
        
        His “take” merely proves that he’s a sucker and doesn’t believe in free speech.
        
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        April 28, 2023 2:14pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        I appreciated this theory around the Fox-Dominion settlement:
        
        Fox News, one very plausible theory goes, was settled because they didn’t want Rupert Murdoch and top executives to take the stand, because Dominion would have attempted to read their emails into the record, in which they state in no uncertain terms how much they absolutely LOATHE the populist base, the real conservatives.
        
        Murdoch himself has made brief quips over the years that certainly line up with such a theory.
        
        Also I’d never heard of Irina Briganti before reading that post but she sounds like some piece of work inside the Fox organisation.
        
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        April 28, 2023 3:01pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Bolt is generally on the money on most things.
        
        I’m pretty sure there is no commentator I generally listen to that I one hundred percent agree with all the time.
        
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        April 28, 2023 8:23pm
  - Michael Johnston
    
    “Tell the truth, or at least don’t lie”
    ~Jordan Peterson
    
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    April 28, 2023 10:26am
- ClanMcleod
  
  CJames – here’s his first broadcast since he was fired. Interesting comments he makes. He will do well whatever he decides.
  
  “See you soon.” His parting comment.
  
  https://youtu.be/9xD6vOQ2K7w
  
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  April 28, 2023 11:33am
Chuck Bird

Real Change Tour – Hamilton

Tonight at 6 pm. Click link for details

https://www.act.org.nz/events
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April 28, 2023 8:07am
- Stephen
  
  Went to the meeting in Tauranga last night. Full house. Great talk by Nicole McGee and David Seymour was on form as usual. Great speech full of common sense ideas. Party vote ACT is the only way to keep National on track to reverse all of Labour’s wacky laws. I could see David as PM one day.
  
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  April 28, 2023 9:42am
  - pdm
    
    Nicole McKee
    
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    April 28, 2023 10:10am
  - Colville
    
    I think its a stretch to see Seymour as (elected) PM but I think its a good chance he would be Deputy PM and step into the shoes occasionally…
    
    Cementing ACT as a 15% party, with half a dozen media savvy people, should be his first job.
    
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    April 28, 2023 10:11am
    - Grunter
      
      I reckon anything less than 20% for ACT in the current environment is “a fail”. We have the worst pack of lying socialists in our history as the current govt, a dog of an economy, and a National ‘leader’ that’s either MIA or at best all over the place and woke.
      
      I’d back Seymour to break 20%
      
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      April 28, 2023 2:19pm
      - Ghost
        
        The polls are showing a very close race, I doubt act will get anywhere near what people here hope for, you might end up if national form government with nz first having to carrying them over the line
        
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        April 28, 2023 2:34pm
  - leoj
    
    If Seymour would apologise for hiding behind Jacinda’s skirt during the protest, he could double his poll numbers.
    
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    April 28, 2023 10:23am
    - Che Guava
      
      He and Luxon should issue a joint mea culpa, which would show the kind of integrity and admission of error that could elevate both of them to being worthy of a vote.
      
      “All men may err, but error once committed, he is no fool nor unsuccessful, who can change his mind and cure the trouble he has fallen in. Stubbornness and stupidity are twins.”
      – Sophocles (Antigone)
      
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      April 28, 2023 12:27pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    If only he would admit they got it wrong by supporting the Labour Party’s draconian and undemocratic, failed covid policies. They could expect a 5 point bump in the polls.
    30% of the population supported the protesters in Wellington. That’s a substantial number of potential voters.
    
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    April 28, 2023 10:49am
    - Che Guava
      
      They lost my vote with their stance over Covid and that protest. They should have been smart enough to realise that campaigning never stops, rather than being a few months before an election.
      
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      April 28, 2023 12:35pm
      - Matt Long
        
        They were still fighting the last election instead of the next.
        
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        April 28, 2023 1:08pm
- Beth
  
  Never forget that ACT last year was all for excluding quite a few members of the voting public from taking part in society. Many many have small businesses; many many will be very careful where they put their vote: National X ACT X Liabour XXXX DemocracyNZ Tick
  
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  April 28, 2023 11:47am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    A vote for any party for a party that on the last poll before the election is not poling over 4% or likely to win an electorate seat is a wasted vote.
    
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    April 28, 2023 12:03pm
    - Che Guava
      
      They should have considered that before making their decision to circle the wagon with their putative opponents, instead of doing what was right.
      
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      April 28, 2023 12:37pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Then the opposition really need to get a move on and address the covid response assault inflicted on a substantial percentage of the population which they supported at the time.
      They have a ‘get out of jail’ card – they can say they were lied to at the time.
      
      I cannot understand their apparent reluctance to do the right thing. Why are they avoiding this elephant in the room? It makes no sense strategically let alone morally.
      
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      April 28, 2023 12:37pm
      - Che Guava
        
        What Covid shows is that, except at the margins, they all have to assent to the “political consensus” if they want to remain in the Club, even if that consensus is completely counter to reality. The opinion-shapers and ideological enforcers in the media arm will destroy anyone who doesn’t play along. This is why narrative uniformity and censorship of contradictory ideas is so important. They aren’t really an opposition, they are part of a power-sharing arrangement wherein the public are convinced that they are actually making a meaningful choice on election day.
        
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        April 28, 2023 12:44pm
      - mawm
        
        Purely as a non sequitur I’m posting this link to the Herald this morning. And as another; I wonder what the demands are to remain a member of the 5 Eyes and are our politicians already captured by a one world government?
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/senior-ex-us-military-officers-land-new-zealand-government-jobs/MTJLWT4ZPZCJTKSKJEOGULO6SU/
        
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        April 28, 2023 1:11pm
  - Michael Johnston
    
    I haven’t forgotten, but I must forgive, for the sake of the country. A triple-headed Labour-Green-Maori-Party monster would finish us.
    
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    April 28, 2023 1:04pm
    - Fuzzysnuggleduck
      
      Very well put.
      The future of NZ is not about re-examining the parliament protests or vaccine mandates (far from the vote winner some people pretend it is).
      The future is more influenced by the Aotearoa education syllabus, co-government being embedded in all mechanisms of control, how we treat our children-including gender politics and climate alarmism, intergeneration welfare, doubling down on victim and oppressor narratives, wasteful and obscene spending, threats to free speech, the cost of petrol or a block of cheese, law and order and the increase of violence and gang numbers in NZ, etc, etc, etc….
      
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      April 28, 2023 1:29pm
      - leoj
        
        The most basic human right is freedom to choose.
        You can give up yours but I ain’t giving up mine.
        
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        April 28, 2023 2:16pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Great for the airlines though (until all the one way flights to Aus eventually peter out).
      
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      April 28, 2023 4:22pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Biden’s Tax. Top Earners.
So this is not what they earned, this is what they declared, big difference. Then at the end there is a dig at Trump of course.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/this-is-how-much-biden-made-last-year-and-what-he-paid-in-taxes/ss-AA1aqcnf
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April 28, 2023 8:12am
Grunter

The damage caused by this idiotic Govt will last for generations. The list is too long, and I’m sure you all can add to my examples.

1. Ban oil & gas exploration overnight. Which big CapEx O&G companies, or even mining companies are going to come back to NZ even with a change of Govt? (None)

2. Take away tax deductibility on interest costs for landlords. How many investors are going back to rental property even after a change of Govt? (Bugger all)

3. Close borders and lockdown the entire population overnight. Who in their right mind would invest in tourism/hospo – or any small business for that matter? (Bugger all). Even The NZ Initiative report this week did NOT rule out future border closures and lockdowns. FFS??!!!

The economic risks of stupid/crazy Govt policy is now extreme. Capital goes where it is treated best. People go where they are treated best. It’s not NZ.
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April 28, 2023 8:13am
- Ian Boag
  
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  2. Take away tax deductibility on interest costs for landlords. How many investors are going back to rental property even after a change of Govt?
  
  How many rental properties are now empty because of this tax move? How many landlords build new houses? They mainly just swap existing ones.
  
  Will this reduction in costs lead to a drop in rents? (Pause for laughter)
  
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  April 28, 2023 9:16am
  - Grunter
    
    Ian – you seem to be a bit lost, what reduction in costs? The communists (Labour) have excluded interest as a tax-deductable cost. So a landlord’s costs have gone up (higher tax). And of course, interest rates are now back to almost normal historic averages. All this is now being passed onto tenants as the user of these rental properties.
    
    Taxing housing when there is a lack of housing is like taxing food to solve a famine. The Commies tried that also, causing more starvation. But hey – keep on reading your Marxist books and deluding yourself.
    
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    April 28, 2023 10:14am
  - cmm
    
    “How many landlords build new houses? They mainly just swap existing ones.”
    
    Every time someone buys an old house it frees up capital to build a new house. It doesn’t really matter which house they bought – it still injects capital into the market.
    
    “Will this reduction in costs lead to a drop in rents?”
    
    That’s the same argument that pushing up the minimum wage won’t make your groceries/coffee more expensive (pause for laughter).
    
    A landlord is in business. Just like your corner coffee shop/grocer/whatever. When costs go up, then there are a few options:
    * Reduce profits – maybe going into a loss. Not sustainable.
    * Sell up and move into some other business. Not sustainable.
    * Increase prices to keep the business sustainable.
    
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    April 28, 2023 10:20am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Every time someone buys an old house it frees up capital to build a new house. It doesn’t really matter which house they bought – it still injects capital into the market.
      
      Sounds good. Where are all these new houses that are being built with freed-up capital?
      
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      April 28, 2023 12:06pm
      - Michael Johnston
        
        They are being built. Just not as rapidly and cheaply as they might, due to a dysfunctional Resource Management Act (RMA), which Labour wants to replace with an even more dysfunctional RMA.
        
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        April 28, 2023 1:06pm
      - Matt Long
        
        Ian, you really should get out more and see.
        
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        April 28, 2023 1:12pm
      - cjn
        
        In retirement villages.
        
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        April 28, 2023 8:12pm
  - leoj
    
    Envy alert!
    Why would anyone pay attention to failures?
    
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    April 28, 2023 10:28am
  - RoboRob
    
    @Ian
    
    Did making owning rental property the only business in NZ that cant subtract all expenses when calculating profitability make rents cheaper or more expensive for tenants?
    
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    April 28, 2023 10:33am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    If you were a watcher of the effects on rentals, like you seem to be, it is odd that you need to ask poorly formed rhetorical questions.
    Landlords exited the rental market. Fact.
    I had friends who lost their rental home since the Landlord did not want to continue with it. And even Landlords who sold up (a neighbour), since the value of the home as a once-off was better than operating under an increasingly costly and constrained environment for landlords.
    And in these cases the government driven changes were the cause. Remove incentives, and make it riskier and harder. Bravo.
    
    So Landlords might not ‘build’ houses for rental, but people who owned an extra home would often offer them as rentals – these days the houses in my examples are not unoccupied, but they are not occupied by renters.
    So the government has those old ‘unintended consequences’ whereby they make things worse overall.
    
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    April 28, 2023 1:35pm
- plc
  
  “1. Ban oil & gas exploration overnight. Which big CapEx O&G companies, or even mining companies are going to come back to NZ even with a change of Govt? (None)”
  
  And the CRI charged with fostering earth science in NZ no longer undertakes research into petroleum geology. Focus is now on “sustainability” and “renewable energy sources”.
  
  So not only closing the door but burning down the house.
  
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  April 28, 2023 9:26am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…nearly 1 million views overnight!

There can be NO going back 🙁
She has become a poster-child for the mental illness of the left.

https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1651580133856378880

(Scroll down for a ‘before’ pic)
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April 28, 2023 8:14am
- Its only I
  
  Kinda cool…?
  
  Where does that fit in the rainbow club?
  
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  April 28, 2023 8:24am
  - sirknz
    
    At the allergic to UV light end?
    
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    April 28, 2023 3:43pm
- Bridgenag
  
  frightening
  
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  April 28, 2023 8:28am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Maggie – this “transformational” world won’t end well will it?
  Below that tweet was this one.
  
  This “father” turns his son trans for Tiktok fame.
  
  https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1651380370435178501?s=20
  
  He should be jailed for a very, very long time.
  
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  April 28, 2023 9:07am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Those ink injections into the eyes are a terrible idea.
  Based on the body modification, I don’t think these are contacts.
  Not sure if that is on the Rainbow spectrum, but is in the mentally ill/abnormal psychology spectrum (both these groups could be drawn on a venn diagram, IMO, now that membership has focused beyond just LBQ.)
  
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  April 28, 2023 1:51pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    It is narcissistic attention seeking, pure and simple.
    
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    April 28, 2023 3:35pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      It’s very, very sad, and won’t end well
      
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      April 28, 2023 7:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

MTG for VPOTUS? Well here or Kari Lake. Both are not short of a few words.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/will-marjorie-taylor-greene-be-the-next-vice-president-of-america/ss-AA10ittM

Well if American Voters want right wing then there ya go. She will be 10 times the VP that Pence is.
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April 28, 2023 8:19am
- mawm
  
  I think Kari Lake is a lot smarter and more presentable.
  
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  April 28, 2023 1:15pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Some see MTG as FAR right wing!
    I think she is what America needs. Outspoken and honest about it.
    
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    April 28, 2023 3:14pm
slightlyrighty

I have heard a number of media commentators asking what the point of the report into how much Tax the rich pay was, if the government is not to take any action as a result.

I’ll tell you what the point was.

Distraction.

Nothing unifies a population more than giving them an enemy to unite against, and this has been a common tactic amongst propagandists for centuries.

Be that the Communists in Russia, China and Cambodia, or the national socialists in Germany, or the fascists in Spain and Italy. If you can find a small group to apportion blame to, you deflect from your own shortcomings.

At the very real risk of Godwinning the thread, there are elements of this in the latest actions from David Parker. I doubt it’s deliberate on his part, but highlighting the rich in this way has changed the narrative somewhat…

At the same time the Media seems to miss that Government Tax revenue has increased under this government from 75 billion in 2017, to 110 billion in 2020, or in percentage terms, by 46%.

The question should be, what the hell is the government doing with all this money?
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April 28, 2023 8:21am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I think they realised that it’s idiotic saying your unsold property or other assets are income fFS, how can you be expected to pay tax on something that is material only snd not earnings fFS, this is pointing to a CGT after the election if these assholes get back in, and everyone will be paying it, you can’t discriminate against rich when you tax capital gain. KiwiSaver will be hit, They will say it don’t be, but if CGs are taken when the stock is sold of course it will happen, and the beautiful thing is, the brain washed left will not know, the earnings will be less but they won’t see that.
  
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  April 28, 2023 8:38am
  - Taieri
    
    KiwiSaver will be hit,
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    KiwiSaver earnings are already being taxed.
    
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    April 28, 2023 9:37am
    - Bob
      
      only on the interest earned for the saver, but not on the Capital gain due to increased value of the share in the investment portfolio pf the KiwiSaver fund.
      
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      April 28, 2023 9:52am
      - mogg
        
        Property shares owned by an investment co are taxed on capital gain.
        
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        April 28, 2023 10:45am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Kiwisaver is a Capital Gain every week.
      Your contribution, Employer’s contribution, Govt contribution.
      There is your CAPITAL GAIN!
      Really with the Govt contribution, they want to Tax themselves!! LOL LOL
      
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      April 28, 2023 3:22pm
  - lastmanstanding
    
    IMHO if the toxic trio are the Government after the elections He Puapua and CGT will be back with a vengeance. The Greens and MP will insist and Labour will be glad and pass it off as part of the deal.
    We are moving away from being a property owning democracy so fewer people will be impacted as regards residential property and most Labour voters dont and wont have much in their KS accounts.
    This is part of a massive transfer of wealth from the Baby Boomers to the younger generation by stealth. I suspect Death Duties and Stamp Duties will also be added. They are common overseas so Labour can point to that as their excuse. Expect to see a 45%/50% tax on high incomes and an expansion of WFF so more get tax credits instead of paying any tax.
    The result will be a flight of capital and a flight of young talent to Oz and further afield.
    
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    April 28, 2023 9:40am
  - Nickc2
    
    Too True!
    If you earn money and pay your taxes and have some money left over to buy extras, what gives any Govt the right to tax you again because you have been frugal?
    
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    April 28, 2023 9:45am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Tax you again with GST, Nick
      This Tax shit is never-ending!
      
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      April 28, 2023 3:24pm
  - Ehlana
    
    It’s idiotic, G, but will be very effective with their base. All the media are parroting the headline that IRD says the rich pay only half as much tax on their income as other people. That is all many people will hear and all Labour want them to hear. Dissension, envy and hate stoked.
    
    Job done and it didn’t come out of their electioneering budget.
    
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    April 28, 2023 11:09am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The hard working middle income pay the most Tax.
      The wording can be used in different ways.
      Super Rich pay X Dollars.
      Rich pay X dollars but they are a larger group paying than Super Rich, so they may pay more Tax than the Super Rich.
      Then we go down to the scale of the Working rich/poor. This a huge group, the largest group. The Tax take total on the largest group is of course more than even the Rich, or even Super Rich.
      Why? Numbers of Taxpayers in that Working rich/poor group far exceeds those above.
      
      Lefties, I know you won’t understand, and I am sorry. 🙂
      
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      April 28, 2023 3:38pm
  - AitchW
    
    And how many times does Parker plan on taxing unrealised capital gains? Annually? Because you can bet the farm that if , god forbid, we end up with a Labour/Green /Te Pati Māori coalition they WILL act on this report, and they WILL eat the rich and tax unrealised capital gains. But not on Maori land……
    
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    April 28, 2023 3:55pm
- sirknz
  
  “What the hell is the government doing with all this money?”
  
  Burning it to offset carbon emissions probably.
  
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  April 28, 2023 8:55am
- hullkiwi
  
  It also serves a basis for negotiations between Liebore, Greens and Maori Parties if this year’s election provides those 3 partieswith a sniff of forming a govt.
  
  If that is the case it will mean the sheeple have not been swayed by National/Act, and the sheeple are content with the shambles that is NZ. A truly frightening thought & prospect.
  
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  April 28, 2023 9:12am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Just because people haven’t rolled over and sworn fealty to National/Act doesn’t make them sheep, it’s the opposite.
    The problem is the politicians, not the voters, who haven’t seen enough discernible difference in policy between the opposition and Labour.
    Add to that, many are still waiting for a simple acknowledgment that all of the covid policies were wrong and those negatively affected deserve an apology. The opposition don’t even want to talk about it. That’s cowardly.
    
    A dual statement along these lines and I believe National/Act will get an instant 10 point bump to where they should be. Miles ahead of the shower of excrement holding the reins of power at the moment.
    
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    April 28, 2023 11:04am
    - mawm
      
      More than anything else I want to see a change of direction as to where this country is going. Luxon is not showing us anything significantly different.
      
      As far as covid is concerned I personally don’t need an apology, I knew it was b/s from the get go and made my own arrangements. It would be nice to see those adversely affected being acknowledged and helped. What concerns me more is our government, no matter what stripe, is going to enslave us to the WHO pandemic treaty, CBDC and a “One World Government” where unelected people (all Marxists) will be telling us what we can and cannot do.
      
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      April 28, 2023 1:28pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  They’re definitely gaslighting us.
  Including unrealised gains was bad, clearly done to inflate the “income” so the ETR was lower. They argue that this is a timing issue relating to Capital Gains which they believe should be taxed.
  
  Then why did they include imputed rents on houses? Clearly they were trying to increase the income as high as possible but are they also effectively claiming that they believe this should be taxable?
  
  Why has no-one in the media called out this (on either side)? National should be aggressively suggesting that Labour want to tax our homes (like TOP). It would be fun seeing Labour explain and walk back their calculations for the “Economic Income” of rich people.
  
  Taxing imputed rent is effectively a tax on 5% of the value of your house (so 1.65% per year at the 33% tax rate). That would kill Labour.
  
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  April 28, 2023 9:13am
  - Raphael
    
    my unrealised gain on my meagre investments (through Sharesies) is currently a negative value. using their logic, I should be given a tax rebate for it.
    
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    April 28, 2023 1:53pm
- Taieri
  
  The question should be, what the hell is the government doing with all this money?
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  Wasting a great chunk of it.
  
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  April 28, 2023 9:13am
  - Burtland
    
    how about 16,000 addition public servants – average pay 80k – thats $1.3B extra every year
    
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    April 28, 2023 10:15am
- Bob
  
  There is a power struggle going on within the LABOUR Party ranks for the next Leader. Parker has always had ambitions of importance and public Prestige.
  The smoke screen about High wealth motivated people is his way of drawing attention to himself, and convincing the Labour politburo of Trade Union secretaries that he is a potential leader, probably before the election 2023.
  
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  April 28, 2023 9:49am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    I don’t believe Parker would even see himself as having a chance of leadership. He is a ‘has been’.
    
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    April 28, 2023 10:48am
    - Paulus
      
      Arn’t they all has beens ?
      
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      April 28, 2023 1:38pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Never weres
        
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        April 28, 2023 7:33pm
- Burtland
  
  so Labour/Cullen/Parker failed to get realised CG tax implemented, so they went for unrealised CG tax and failed again
  
  someone was mansplaining this to Ingred of RNZ this morning but she cut him off.
  
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  April 28, 2023 10:09am
- PeeJay
  
  The point of this? It was a fishing expedition, pure and simple.
  
  Float some dodgy research, demonise ‘the enemy’ – in this case the rich pricks, and sit back and see how the public react. If the public react as they hope, and calls grow that ‘something must be done!!!’, then they can float a CGT as a response to the public pressure. If the public keep quiet, they move on.
  
  Let’s be clear – the left want more tax, including a CGT, all branded under the ‘fair share’ banner. But…..they learnt their lesson from the last time they talked about tax and, in particular, CGT. This report is prepping the voters.
  
  Very cynical of them, but actually very smart politics.
  
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  April 28, 2023 10:11am
- Humai
  
  Yes, this government (and its media industry enablers) has rather specialised in prising groups of people away from the rest of society and calling them the enemy.
  
  Rich pricks, cis males, TERFs, pale/stale/male people, “western” science, asset portfolio owners, firearms licence holders, internal combustion engine users, those afraid of co-governance, right-wing blog owners, car drivers, Trump supporters, the unvaxxed, business owners, alcohol consumers, landlords, trustees, ute owners, boomers, any group opposing govt policy and many more I’ve forgotten.
  
  I wonder who might be next: frequent flyers, dog owners, people who don’t take the train, people who fail the government-enforced Te Reo proficiency test, recreational boaties, sales staff, 4WD users, people with woodburning heaters, people with no kids?
  
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  April 28, 2023 10:45am
  - Paulus
    
    A new on me I believe is that all vehicles where people move in them have porta potties, will now be banned and that they all shall have holding tanks.
    That stuffs the overseas back packer market where they travel our country.
    
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    April 28, 2023 1:42pm
- Tricati
  
  Just like they have pained farmers as the villains environmentally, they are looking to make the wealthy the villains economically. Its good for their activist supporters to have some ammo, regardless of its truthfulness, to vilify sectors not known to be Labour supporters.
  National/ACT need to raise the point about those that pay little or no tax through working for families relief, and see how the average 2.5 million paid by the top 300 wealthiest stack up. I would suggest there a lot bloody more paying less/no tax that 300.
  
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  April 28, 2023 11:00am
emmess

It never occurred uo these lying propagandists on government funded media that the problem is the racist ideology not the reaction.

https://youtu.be/ub93C36e_Bs

If you open it, don’t forget to down vote.
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April 28, 2023 8:24am
- ClanMcleod
  
  emmess – I did, apparently I’m the only one who has down voted it………fiddled much????
  
  Also “comments are turned off”.
  Ardern really did achieve her “single source of truth”.
  
  We live in Orwellian times. I no longer recognise NZ. It has been taken over by dangerous tyrants.
  
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  April 28, 2023 9:18am
  - Ghost
    
    YouTube no longer show downvotes. You can get a browser extension that will bypass it and show it, but why bother
    
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    April 28, 2023 9:49am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Ghost – thanks for that info. Is not showing down votes for the same reason as nobody is a loser in a school sports event? BS “feelz” garbage?
      
      Bizarre.
      
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      April 28, 2023 11:10am
    - Che Guava
      
      YT ditched the visible downvotes on videos because Biden’s White House channel was getting consistently slaughtered.
      
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      April 28, 2023 11:33am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Che Guava – as per my reply to Ghost, I’ve been onto Youtube again this morning looking at Dr John Campbell, Clown Planet and John Talks. Check them out, they all have the up and down ticks visible. But not when I go to the link I was given to the One News segment on ~~co-governance~~ institutionalised racism…..
        
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        April 28, 2023 12:48pm
      - Che Guava
        
        I use a browser extension, and it tells me that Biden is still getting hammered. However, I logged out, and the dislikes are still visible so, I don’t know what’s up. Maybe it still works when logged out? Some channels have them disabled, but all I know is that Biden isn’t popular. Comments are always off, too.
        
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        April 28, 2023 12:57pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Ghost – I’ve actually been to a couple of Youtube videos since I posted my reply to you, I’m seeing the down votes on the last 5 I have looked at. I’ve posted a couple of them at the bottom of the thread.
      
      I went back to the link from emmess and tried again, still not showing them. It’s clearly selective?
      
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      April 28, 2023 11:37am
      - emmess
        
        Interesting
        I have the ‘Return YouTube Dislike’ plugin
        For most videos it works for, but not that
        Is Google protecting government funded media by not even counting the downvotes?
        
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        April 28, 2023 12:55pm
      - Ghost
        
        I don’t see the down votes on Campbell videos.
        
        https://blog.youtube/news-and-events/update-to-youtube/
        
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        April 28, 2023 12:58pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        All rigged by woke big tech corporations. Get off their stinking platforms!
        
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        April 28, 2023 8:33pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  So where has all of the money gone? One Maori Woman would not answer. Why? Because she had none of the trickle down I guess.
  The Elite have the money, and they are keeping it.
  
  http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
  
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  April 28, 2023 9:23am
Bridgenag

Apart from the Maorification the same things are happening in American schools
“education is not too important to be left to the private sector.
it’s too important to be left anywhere near the government.”
how schools became the agent of societal dissolution and how to fix it
https://open.substack.com/pub/boriquagato/p/breaking-the-mancubs-activism-as?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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April 28, 2023 8:26am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Bridgenag – that post by el gato malo deserves a post all on it’s own. It is one of the best I have read in years.
  Anyone who hasn’t clicked on the link, do so. It explains clearly why things are imploding all around us.
  
  Clue, it’s the ~~education~~ indoctrination that is ramping up in our schools, driven by the neo Marxists currently running the country.
  
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  April 28, 2023 9:24am
- Burtland
  
  NZ Initiative have just published a plan to tackle this
  
  https://www.nzinitiative.org.nz/reports-and-media/reports/save-our-schools-solutions-for-new-zealands-education-crisis/
  
  Some of the most significant proposals in the report include:
  
  1. Introducing a new, knowledge-rich curriculum centred on literacy, numeracy, and disciplinary subjects.
  2. Redesigning the National Certificate of Educational Achievement (NCEA) to encourage more coherent teaching and reduce superficial learning.
  3. Reforming initial teacher education (ITE) to focus on effective teaching methods based on the science of human information processing, sound curriculum knowledge, and formative assessment literacy.
  4. Introducing a performance-based career structure for teachers, with promotions based on professional standards.
  5. Enabling schools to hire professionals without teaching qualifications and streamlining the process for hiring international teachers.
  6. Expanding the National Monitoring Study of Student Achievement (NMSSA).
  7. Refocusing the core research function of the NZCER on large-scale quantitative, generalisable research on teaching and learning.
  
  Point 7 regarding NZCER is critical, their 5 year plan states the objectives
  1. Decolonising education
  2. Upholding mana Māori, whakamana Māori
  3. Improving equity for ākonga and equity in education
  4. influencing the future of education
  
  The push back will need to be massive
  
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  April 28, 2023 10:27am
kowtow

I hadn’t realised that this regime passed a law under urgency to allow the IRD power to pry into our financial lives , under threat of fines , in order for that snake Parker to spend $3mil in to confirm his prejudice against what he calls the “super rich.”

Will N/Act repeal that law, I hope so .

Speaking of hatred , I see today’s Emmerson offering from the so called centre right Whoreald portrays Luxon and Willis as a very regal Louis and Marie Antoinette . With her saying of the crowd outside who are calling for fair tax and cgt ,
“Let them eat tax break”

This is a disturbing depiction to say the least .
One hopes the Herald is not suggesting that the mob treat our political leaders with violence and death . Or that Willis is uncaring of the electorate’s feelings .

Where was Emmerson ( and the rest of the fourth estate ) when the regime gave the IRD new and draconian powers .
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April 28, 2023 8:27am
- Paulus
  
  Fortunately I understand that fewer people are buying our main newspapers, which is why they need Taxpayers/Labour money to pay the wages so they dance to the pipers tunes.
  
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  April 28, 2023 10:45am
Maggy Wassilieff

Anyone doing their Green List voting today?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/488817/bid-to-delay-green-party-list-ranking-fails
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April 28, 2023 8:32am
- Bobba Fret
  
  These Green idiots can’t even make up their minds on a vote delaying the list ranking. And previously couldn’t decide if they wanted James Shaw as a leader. They need to be kept away from the levers of power else the mess will get worse.
  
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  April 28, 2023 12:23pm
Maggie Pie

‘Independent Police Conduct Authority Finds Officer Not Justified In Fatally Shooting Armed Man Threatening Them With A Shotgun In 2021’

When approached for comment, the Chair of the IPCA responded….

Yes, I recall the incident well. I was home at the time, sitting outside by the pool. Whiskey in hand, contemplating whether or not to deadhead some of the tatty looking Roses, or go for another swim……

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1651379775649329152
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April 28, 2023 8:47am
- Burtland
  
  has cuddles finally infected the IPCA ?
  
  Police Associations Cahill has criticized the finding.
  
  https://www.policeassn.org.nz/news/police-association-rejects-key-findings-of-ipca-report-into-turia-shooting#/
  
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  April 28, 2023 10:37am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

A Coup in America started with killing JFK?
“I’m arguing the case that we’re in the middle of it and moving right along, that the revolution has been fought, there’s been a coup, we don’t have any resemblance to a government that believes in a Republic, we don’t have honest money, we don’t have integrity,” Paul said.
He also says the Biden Admin bombed the Nordstream pipes.

https://finishtherace.com/ella-ford/ron-paul-says-there-has-been-a-coup-in-america-claims-it-started-with-assassination-of-jfk/
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April 28, 2023 8:53am
krazykiwi

AirNZ flight this morning. In the front two rows we got some attendant-delivered scripted guidance about how to not get injured by the folding trays. Can’t be long before they’re issuing safety guidance on how to wipe ones arse. Speaking of which, we had the most camp cabin attendant I’ve ever encountered. He addressed passengers as ‘darling’
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April 28, 2023 8:59am
- peterwn
  
  What is your AirNZ status? You never get anywhere near the seats in front of the exit rows let alone the front two rows unless you have Koru Club, Gold or Elite status. Bob Jones found out the hard way that you do have to listen to special safety announcements.
  
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  April 28, 2023 9:33am
  - alwyn.a
    
    Sometimes miracles happen. My wife and I were once given 1A and 1C on an Auckland/Wellington flight. They didn’t allocate anyone the 1B seat.
    It was back in Helen Clark’s day and I suggested to my wife that they had clearly got confused and must have thought that she was Helen travelling incognito. My wife was NOT impressed by my opinion.
    
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    April 28, 2023 9:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Didn’t Bob Jones buy his own plane so he did not have to put up with nonsense?
    Jones Force One!
    
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    April 28, 2023 3:42pm
    - MCōs
      
      So he said, the old curmudgeon.
      
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      April 28, 2023 4:55pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Gold which includes Koru
    
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    April 29, 2023 7:20am
- MCōs
  
  This you kk?
  https://twitter.com/vidsthatgohard/status/1645186587678867456?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
  
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  April 28, 2023 10:41am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Joe is running but:
“Nowhere in this announcement video does Biden say anything about naming any specific achievements from his first term. This is just another attempt by the Democrats to play into the fears of voters. Once again, he’s trying to give you something to vote AGAINST, rather than something to vote FOR.”
Gaslighting.

https://thedailymojo.com/biden-makes-it-official-but-forgets-to-mention-one-thing/
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April 28, 2023 9:01am
- mawm
  
  It’s going to fun and games watching the Dems try to destroy Bobbie Kennedy Jr. There’s still a lot of anger from when they took out Bernie.
  
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  April 28, 2023 1:41pm
Rusty

Today in history 28th April.

1937 – Sadam Hussien was born

1945 – Italian Fascist dictator/clown Benito Mussolini was executed in public.

1995 – 14 people (students) were killed when the viewing platform collapsed 30 metres into the creek at Paparoa National park, West Coast.

Very sad.
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April 28, 2023 9:06am
- sirknz
  
  So what you’re saying is ‘be careful’ today…
  
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  April 28, 2023 11:12am
- MCōs
  
  Benito Mussolini was no clown.
  
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  April 28, 2023 2:14pm
TripeWryter

From Thomas Coughlan in The New Zealand Herald last night on a story about Dr Elizabeth Kerekere:
‘Members of the Rainbow Greens, Young Greens, Aotearoa Greens Global, Pasifika Greens, and Inclusive Greens …’
So many Greens. Who knew?
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April 28, 2023 9:10am
- Taieri
  
  ‘Members of the Rainbow Greens, Young Greens, Aotearoa Greens Global, Pasifika Greens, and Inclusive Greens …’
  ————–
  
  Missing: Idiot Greens…
  
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  April 28, 2023 9:34am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    The Venn Diagram for the Green Party as a whole and idiot Greens is just one circle.
    
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    April 28, 2023 9:54am
    - mawm
      
      One big pink circle.
      
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      April 28, 2023 1:43pm
  - G152
    
    Oh theyre not missing just wromgly labelled.
    Greens have an IQ {Idiot quotent}
    
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    April 28, 2023 11:28am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    They are all idiots.
    
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    April 28, 2023 12:29pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    They are all members of the same club (Greens)
    Just trying to make themselves look big, they are not, but they are still dangerous.
    
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    April 28, 2023 3:49pm
- mandk
  
  If you belong to all five factions, do you get five votes?
  
  It used to be a trick employed by the left wing of the UK Labour to maintain control of the Party. It’s how Jeremy Corbin got to be leader.
  
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  April 28, 2023 9:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Best ask the American Democrats about that! LOL
    
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    April 28, 2023 3:50pm
- peterwn
  
  And some Green people were not invited to the Zoom meeting. They seem to have a different mailing lists for different things. Looks like she is heading further towards being dog tucker.
  
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  April 28, 2023 9:37am
- Burtland
  
  Life of Brian – The People’s Front of Judea
  
  https://youtu.be/WboggjN_G-4
  
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  April 28, 2023 10:44am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Was there ever any proper accounting for the $2.75 million of taxpayer money Jacinda advanced to the Mongrel Mob back in 2021….or was a “CHUR bro” and a hug considered sufficient?

I recall Harry Tam saying at the time “Jacinda trusted him”…….but HEY 😎
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April 28, 2023 9:16am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Jacinda Ardern said the programme “showed signs of success”.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/125721619/pm-one-of-the-ministers-who-approved-275-million-funding-for-mongrel-mobled-rehab-programme
  
  What other evidence could you possible want?
  
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  April 28, 2023 11:24am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Wonder how Sonny’s garden is looking 😎
    
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    April 28, 2023 11:36am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh Dear…
      
      The programme doesn’t look to have been evaluated by anyone
      
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018868587/relapse-reports-upset-gang-based-rehab-programme
      
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      April 28, 2023 11:41am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Well, what a surprise! Who would have guessed?
        
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        April 28, 2023 11:55am
Taieri

Is it now compulsory to live in Queenstown? An insight into the mentality of some people:

https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/queenstown/absentee-property-owners-blamed-queenstown-crisis
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April 28, 2023 9:17am
Maggie Pie

It’s even got my partner wondering now….. 😛

“It trans women aren’t really women, then explain why they never shut the fark up”
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April 28, 2023 9:39am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  100 upticks.
  Brilliant.
  
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  April 28, 2023 10:34am
- Observer of Life
  
  Maggie Pie: 😂😂😂
  
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  April 28, 2023 5:14pm
Ghost

Damn

An Illinois man doing yard work outside his home was fatally shot in the head by his 79-year-old next-door neighbour this month after the two got into an argument over the man’s leaf blower, authorities said this week.

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April 28, 2023 9:53am
- Che Guava
  
  If the deceased was using this device, it’s not hard to see why.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcEkt5vQTVQ
  
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  April 28, 2023 11:40am
Captain Mainwaring

So the renters don’t like National’s housing policy.
They’re thick. That’s why they’re renters.
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April 28, 2023 10:13am
- pdm
  
  Capt – probably a fair indication that the proposed National Party legislation re Renters is on the right track.
  
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  April 28, 2023 10:21am
- MCōs
  
  Are you suggesting that all renters are thick?
  
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  April 28, 2023 10:47am
  - PeterB
    
    No. Just like not every commentator here is intelligent.
    
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    April 28, 2023 11:32am
  - Che Guava
    
    He probably doesn’t mind renters paying off his mortgage for him.
    
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    April 28, 2023 11:44am
- Maggie Pie
  
  And ‘residential’ landlords that are thick as well!
  Why would you bother with all the sh*t?
  Commercial is the ONLY way to go.
  
  My partner inherited a small portfolio of buildings (which he has since grown)…….not only have the TENANTS spent literally millions on improvements over the years, pay the outgoings, and some have been there for forever – plus you hardly ever hear from them except at ROR time.
  
  Just saying.
  
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  April 28, 2023 10:53am
- Ehlana
  
  Not necessarily. Buying is not always the right choice and renting away from where you have bought can be the smart move.
  
  There does seem to be an issue with problem tenants, the sort who intimidate neighbours and destroy property, but can’t be moved on. Surely it should be possible to write rules that allow for immediate eviction in these cases?
  
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  April 28, 2023 11:31am
- Lance
  
  What an ignorant thing to write and a gross generalization. Dumb enough to be a Labour party press release
  So PhD students who are renting aren’t as smart as you?
  
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  April 28, 2023 12:37pm
ClanMcleod

Arizona state lawmaker caught red-handed on camera hiding Bibles in members-only lounge.

Democrat Stephanie Stahl-Hamilton initially tried to deny it, but has since made a weak as piss apology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTTKPbxpnVk

I’m not religious, but this is more evidence that our societies are under assault from neo Marxists trying to destroy the family unit.
Imagine if it had been a Koran???
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April 28, 2023 11:21am
Tricati

Very interesting interview on The Platform’ with Tro Bowker and the origins of Parker’s hit on the wealthy.
https://theplatform.kiwi/podcasts/episode/rich-lister-troy-bowker-on-the-ird-s-intrusion-on-wealthy-kiwis-with-sean-plunket
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April 28, 2023 11:23am
ClanMcleod

In her new role at Harvard, Jacinda Ardern is gathering ever more positive attention.

She’ll be working with researchers developing Generative AI assistants….as the Sky host says, “whatever that means.”

The clip is less than 1 minute.

https://youtu.be/WnOq0S0QXvk

Ardern has called for “ethical algorithms” to help stop online radicalisation. What could possibly go wrong…..
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April 28, 2023 11:27am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhEUBgu9j5Y
  
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  April 28, 2023 12:30pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Maggy – this version from Spike Milligan is better, the woke police apparently haven’t gotten round to “exterminating” it…..🤣
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0n88tZQc4Q
    
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    April 28, 2023 1:02pm
- Keith White
  
  I thought she had nothing left in her tank?
  
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  April 28, 2023 1:39pm
Maggie Pie

Christchurch Eye Surgeon sentenced to 6 1/2 years for attempted murder.

– 1ZB News

SHEESH! What IS it with these people?

Asking for a friend 🙁
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April 28, 2023 11:40am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I thought that was quite a light sentence considering the details.
  
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  April 28, 2023 1:04pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Yes, exactly what we thort CM. Makes for horrific reading.
    
    Although I see where someone tweeted…
    “Imagine the sentence if he was brown?”
    
    The first reply was…
    “Home D”
    
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    April 28, 2023 1:44pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Please be realistic. He’s a highly educated eye surgeon.
      
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      April 28, 2023 2:01pm
ClanMcleod

As per the IPCA whitewash of the actions of police at the Wellington protest, we are going to get another whitewash with the Royal Commission into the covid response. In fact, it’s worse than that.

The title says it all really: Lessons Learned from Aotearoa New Zealand’s Response to COVID-19 That Should Be Applied in Preparation for a Future Pandemic.

Essentially, we want to learn how to do it all again better, harder, faster and more strictly. There is another pandemic just around the corner and we want to have everything in place to control the population.

The following matters are OUTSIDE the scope of the inquiry:

particular clinical decisions made by clinicians or by public health authorities during the COVID-19 pandemic,

how and when the strategies and other measures devised in response to COVID-19 were implemented or applied in particular situations or in individual cases,

the specific epidemiology of the COVID-19 virus and its variants,

vaccine efficacy,

the recent reforms to New Zealand’s health system, including the organisational arrangements for public health services,

the judgments and decisions of courts and tribunals and independent agencies such as the Ombudsman, the Privacy Commissioner, or the Independent Police Conduct Authority relating to the COVID-19 pandemic,

the operation of the private sector, except where the private sector delivers services integral to a pandemic response,

particular decisions taken by the Reserve Bank’s independent monetary policy committee during the COVID-19 pandemic,

any adaptation of court procedures by the judiciary during the COVID-19 pandemic,

any adaptation of parliamentary processes during the COVID-19 pandemic,

the conduct of the general election during the COVID-19 pandemic.

That is a completely farcical waste of time and money.

As the author says:

What do New Zealanders actually want to know?

Why the definitions of many relevant things changed prior to this event – pandemic, virus, case, vaccine, herd immunity?

What happened to natural immunity?

Why were existing influenza pandemic plans (that advocated against quarantining healthy contacts, contact tracing, border closures, widespread use of masks and other restrictions which governments suddenly imposed) thrown out?

Why were New Zealanders locked out of their own country?

Why was fear weaponised?

How many New Zealanders have been killed or harmed by the measures forced on the country – lockdowns, social isolation, loss of businesses?
How many New Zealanders have been killed and harmed by the ‘vaccine’?

How was it possible to mandate a medical procedure when it did not prevent transmission?

Why did the courts cease to function in the interest of New Zealand citizens?

What made doctors abandon their oaths and ethics?

Why were doctors and scientists censored so heavily?

Why has the mainstream media been turned into a propaganda arm of government?

HOW DO WE AVOID THIS EVER HAPPENING AGAIN?

I believe every single one of those are the actual questions we need answers to, not the pathetic proposed inquiry.

It looks like there will need to be another inquiry. The one the people want. The one where all the questions get answered rather than swept under the rug. The one where the dead and injured are acknowledged and compensated (if such a thing is possible). The one where the silenced and censored get to speak. The one where perpetrators are held to account.

I couldn’t agree more.

https://nzdsos.com/2023/04/21/royal-commission-of-inquiry-nz/
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April 28, 2023 11:51am
- Che Guava
  
  Anyone who falls for “the next pandemic” as if it is legitimate is an utter moron who wasn’t paying attention the first time around. People should be preparing now to deal with the consequences that will come from refusing to comply with whatever demands are made in the future.
  
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  April 28, 2023 12:06pm
- Keith White
  
  We need a Peace Crimes tribunal.
  
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  April 28, 2023 1:36pm
- mawm
  
  Most of all I want to know why was early treatment prevented by the government. This is antithetical to normal ethical medical practice. And who gave the orders to do so.
  
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  April 28, 2023 1:54pm
- Grunter
  
  How could anyone possibly down-tick any of those questions? Do you not want to know or at least have a conversation about them? Very weird…..
  
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  April 28, 2023 2:52pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/131870410/kiwi-climate-activist-given-draconian-prison-sentence-in-uk
Bloody good. Now for those anti-car protestors in Wellington…….
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April 28, 2023 1:06pm
- mandk
  
  I don’t see the sentence as excessive.
  
  Summary execution? That might qualify as draconian, but he might have put the lives of others at risk, or even caused death, by what he did.
  
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  April 28, 2023 1:33pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Excellent news – who would’ve thought the UK would suddenly find some nads? Rishi Sunak standing up for the rights of women, Lord Coe doing the same with sport, and now an entirely appropriate sentence that almost fits the crime.
  
  He wasn’t jailed for “a peaceful process” or because he was frustrated at the apparent lack of action by the UK government to listen to him rather than make their own decisions, doubtless in possession of much more actual data. He was jailed for the disruption and economic cost he caused, which is exactly what he wanted.
  
  Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Let’s hope the wankers that interrupted the snooker get even longer.
  
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  April 28, 2023 2:00pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Reading the article he has previous convictions for climate protest offending. So it is no surprise that he was sent to the bin.
  
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  April 28, 2023 2:09pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  Stuff with more disinformation. It’s not draconian.
  
  He is a recidivist offender with 6! previous convictions. When someone breaks the law again and again, the penalty must go up so now the loser can cool his heels in prison, protecting society from his insufferable self righteousness for another year.
  
  They also lie that it’s a peaceful protest. There is nothing peaceful about denying others their personal rights.
  
  This needs to happen every time one of those losers blocks a road.
  
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  April 28, 2023 2:34pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Only problem is, he may well get deported to NZ. Then we’ll see him cropping up at local protests.
    
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    April 28, 2023 7:53pm
Maggie Pie

You’ll be glad you waited to send in the CENSUS forms!

See where ‘Stats’ are now offering a $25 KFC Voucher…. and free-tickets to the Warriors, for anyone who completes and returns them by May 5th.

😎 😎 😎
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April 28, 2023 1:34pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  May the 5th – only 2 months after Census Day – 7th March.
  
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  April 28, 2023 1:55pm
- Ghost
  
  Only a few more sleeps until possible fines
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/131876874/11-days-left-to-fill-out-census-forms-or-face-2000-fine
  
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  April 28, 2023 1:57pm
- emmess
  
  Shit, I filled it in a couple of weeks ago
  Next time I’ll wait longer
  
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  April 28, 2023 4:55pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  We filled them in on time so waiting for my freebees!
  
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  April 28, 2023 6:02pm
Ghost

Article is paywalled but the reason for the raw chicken is that staff were unable to tell if it was cooked or not

Bloody hell, what morons

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/what-led-to-raw-chicken-being-served-to-kaitaia-college-students/HGFL7O65NNHPJENEHPE4LYDQIQ/
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April 28, 2023 2:26pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
Bit late today – busy.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/taupo-council-cancels-on-us-last-minute-but-we-recover/

I knew straight away, this was not the real reason for the cancellation. We were against co-governance. That was the real reason. They*
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April 28, 2023 2:41pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Think of “Co-Governance”
  Co = more than one. This becomes a problem and breeds Apartheid.
  
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  April 28, 2023 3:02pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/131870410/kiwi-climate-activist-given-draconian-prison-sentence-in-uk

Can we borrow this judge?
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April 28, 2023 2:49pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/131878261/auckland-transport-cuts-costs-by-325-million-but-wont-yet-say-how
They probably cut out their catering-at-meetings budget.
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April 28, 2023 3:10pm
- sirknz
  
  Stopped putting in bike lanes and raised pedestrian crossings on main roads would be my guess.
  
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  April 28, 2023 4:05pm
Ghost

Impressive. Tucker’s tweet yesterday now at 69.9 million views

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1651376097349578753
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April 28, 2023 3:24pm
- Ghost
  
  Interesting, if you pop a ballon you get an image of nz on the wall…….
  
  https://twitter.com/Audjuice9989/status/1651380662002229257/photo/1
  
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  April 28, 2023 3:29pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Amazing response and show of support for Mr. Carlson. Rupert Murdock won’t care about the half billion dollars that Fox News stocks just lost but the investors might not be so happy.
  
  I am looking forward to Tucker Carlson either getting picked up by another news channel or him going it alone.
  
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  April 28, 2023 5:58pm
  - Vory v zakone
    
    Yeah imagine if he went to CNN on a $250 million, five year deal 😲
    Liberal heads would explode 💥
    
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    April 28, 2023 9:34pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Gee, quiet here today. Only 10o plus comments. Is there a holiday again and people are having another long weekend?
Is that old guy with the broom gone?
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April 28, 2023 4:17pm
Chris Nisbet

Just saw a headline saying that the police have siezed some motorbikes from a few hoons in South Auckland.
Fricken finally!
These clowns have been causing havoc for fricken months!
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April 28, 2023 4:25pm
Maggie Pie

Just overheard my partner saying….

‘MyFoodBag’ shares closed @ 20c today. Remind me again what the ‘little-piece-of-eurasian-fluff’ exited at?

LOL!!
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April 28, 2023 4:31pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… One Otago farms worth?
  
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  April 28, 2023 5:52pm
Ghost

On zb since labour came into power 19,000 nurses have left the nz health
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April 28, 2023 4:51pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep,
  
  and Labour have been doing all that they could to hide this information:
  
  “The figures were only released after intervention from Parliament’s Speaker, with Health Minister Dr Ayesha Verrall refusing to release the data.
  
  https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2304/S00177/19000-nurses-leave-under-labour.htm
  
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  April 28, 2023 6:10pm
MCōs

116yrs ago the original Home of Compassion was opened at Island Bay
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0qL8Re2dQe32R2EvQMSMUdtYARzojWjeAjEhwMJH1H2truseWKZHXKw7MjtpWjNnWl&id=100064672810225
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April 28, 2023 5:15pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

And so it continues:
https://patriotunitednews.com/clinton-body-count-added-yet-another/
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April 28, 2023 5:41pm
Maggie Pie

Kiwirail apologises for the cancellation of all Wellinton train services for at least the next 3 weeks. LOL!!

Julianne Gender says ….we need to build more cycles lanes 😎
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April 28, 2023 6:08pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/131897526/speed-restrictions-about-to-cause-huge-disruptions-on-wellington-rail-network
Wellington: 30kph for cars, 70kph for trains: so what is the problem ?
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April 28, 2023 7:06pm
fernglas

On the CGT issue, there seems to have been a dearth of discussion around Kiwisaver. Each time someone switches provider or plan, any capital gain is realised. Equally, at 65, if you close up your Kiwisaver account to apply it to some other investment, there is realised capital gain. Likewise with drawing money to buy a house or for emergencies. Many Kiwisaver plans, particularly the more aggressive ones, are in growth rather than dividend producing, investments. There are over 3 million Kiwisaver account holders. Do we think they might rebel at having to cough over 20% of their capital growth? Or would there be an unprincipled exemption for Kiwisaver as there was to have been for the family home? Would that then lead to people investing more into their Kiwisaver, as will inevitably happen with the family home? Would that take funds away from businesses and other forms of assets? And what would the Bill of Rights think about an exemption granted to those under 65 which is unavailable to those over that age?
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