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Fox News and Tucker Carlson, the right-wing extremist who used his prime time perch at the talk network to exert a firm grip over the Republican Party, have severed ties, the network said in a stunning announcement that rocked the media and political worlds Monday.

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April 25, 2023 8:01am
- Nukuleka
  
  Ha ha ‘right wing extremist’. Newshub quoting CNN.
  
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  April 25, 2023 8:11am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Ask Newshub “what is a left wing extremist?”
    They will not answer.
    
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    April 25, 2023 8:47am
    - NothingLeft
      
      trick question, “an MSM journalist”
      
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      April 25, 2023 2:38pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    This might explain a few things.
    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2023/04/24/we-could-see-tucker-carlsons-split-with-fox-coming-n1689824
    Carlson thought Trump was mad to make the allegations and he thought both Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani ‘nuts’.
    Murdoch also thought Trump was stupid to do so.
    Carlson had 3 million viewers so will probably go the Podcast route.
    
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    April 25, 2023 9:20am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Dan Bongino has departed after 10 years I think. I follow him on Facebook.
      
      Fox. There is something in Admin causing this I reckon.
      
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      April 25, 2023 11:13am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Fox is losing the battle for doing this.
        https://valiantnews.com/2023/04/fox-news-loses-nearly-1-billion-in-value-after-firing-tucker-carlson/
        
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        April 25, 2023 11:29am
      - slightlyrighty
        
        I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a condition of the settlement with Dominion, and Fox only agreed if it could be done without an announcement making this condition public.
        
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        April 25, 2023 11:59am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @ slightlyrighty,
        I wonder if Carlson still has access to those Jan 6th videos?
        Were they the property of Fox or him? Did Kevin McCarthy give the 1400 hrs of footage to Fox or Carlson?
        If Carlson has them, the fun will start. Don’t worry about what the media has said about Trump and Carlson, it is all Politicing 🙂
        
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        April 25, 2023 1:54pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      Rumour has it he was about to run a piece on 60 minutes attempt to whitewash Ray Epps. Was told not to and so quit. To be fair to Fox there is danger of large defamation lawsuits in implying Ray Epps was an agent for some branch of US govt.
      
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      April 25, 2023 2:45pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    Yeah. Doesn’t support the US being involved in the war in Ukraine, and that makes him a right-wing extremist. Doesn’t particularly like Trump or the powerbrokers in the Republican Party–who he pillories mercilessly–and that makes him a right-wing extremist.
    
    Yup.
    
    Well, the luvvies will eat it up as the *left-wing extremist* media serves it to them hot and fast because they’ve all been trained to salivate at the very mention of right-wing and extremist. Put ’em together and they’ll be wetting themselves.
    
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    April 25, 2023 10:31am
- ClanMcleod
  
  We are so lucky to have the NZ media to report the news in such a neutral way, no wonder we trust them so much. //
  
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  April 25, 2023 8:13am
  - Lee C
    
    Separated at Birth?
    Ardern/Trudeau – MSMNZ MSMCAN.
    
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1649886357999820802
    
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    April 25, 2023 8:19am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Lee C – Joined at the hip at WEF school more like……
      
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      April 25, 2023 8:54am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Thanks for sharing that. The full Munk Debate is here: https://youtu.be/nvaf7XOOFHc
      
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      April 25, 2023 9:00am
      - Lee C
        
        Thank you kk.
        
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        April 25, 2023 7:53pm
    - Debsta
      
      A very good summary of where we’re at PlanetB, and some interesting history in there. Thank you.
      
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      April 25, 2023 10:16am
- Ipanema69
  
  Don Lemon was fired by CNN on Monday. Not sure if that made Newshub.
  
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  April 25, 2023 8:24am
- RightNow
  
  CNN also fired Don Lemon, but he’s just not that newsworthy so nobody cares.
  
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  April 25, 2023 8:35am
- virtualmark
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Fox has 787 million reasons to sack Tucker. He regularly spouts falsehoods that, after Dominion’s legal success, will attract more legal problems.
  
  Looking on the bright side, now Tucker has the time to take that trip to Moscow he’s always wanted.
  
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  April 25, 2023 8:37am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Virtualmark – what falsehoods are you ascribing to Tucker? List them and the evidence they are false. Otherwise you are just another Left wing smear merchant…
    
    Please – do provide the evidence…
    
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    April 25, 2023 10:06am
    - virtualmark
      
      Well, read the materials Dominion published for a start.
      
      Ray Epps is another simple example … and note that he has recently given Fox notice of his intention to sue and that they have to preserve documents.
      
      Abby Grossberg (until very recently Tucker’s booking producer) is also suing Fox, about Tuckers behaviour, and has interesting things to say about Tucker.
      
      I expect Epps and Grossberg are big reasons for Rupert cutting his ties with Tucker today.
      
      Going back in history Seth Rich is another simple example of Tucker lying on air.
      
      I could go on and on.
      
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      April 25, 2023 10:30am
      - Nukuleka
        
        You’re great on the assertions, virtual. Not so forthcoming with facts.
        
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        April 25, 2023 10:37am
      - leoj
        
        [Mod – cut out the abuse]
        
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        April 25, 2023 10:43am
      - virtualmark
        
        Nuku,
        
        You clearly have access to the internet. Google the names I wrote in that post. Engage your brain.
        
        Or, carry on worshipping St Upid, the patron saint of MAGA.
        
        Your choice.
        
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        April 25, 2023 10:44am
    - virtualmark
      
      But hey Jim Bob, maybe it’d be easier for you to process if we say that the Deep State got Soros to turn Rupert woke.
      
      Does that press enough MAGA hot buttons for you?
      
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      April 25, 2023 10:35am
  - Nickc2
    
    Rupert Murdoch sees it as $787 million he doesn’t have to pay out in divorce settlements.
    Yea, I know it’s insurance money.
    
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    April 25, 2023 10:22am
    - virtualmark
      
      Well Rupert only owns 19% of Fox. The shareholders with the other 81% might have fewer divorces planned and so are probably less sanguine about paying out billions in damages.
      
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      April 25, 2023 10:33am
    - virtualmark
      
      Nick,
      
      It seems Tucker is getting paid out the 3 years left on his $20m pa contract, so that’s a win for Tucker but yet more money Rupert won’t have for his next divorce settlement.
      
      Tuckers now been sacked from CNN, from MSNBC, and now Fox. But the Fox loss is probably the most lucrative for him.
      
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      April 25, 2023 11:08am
      - Nickc2
        
        Like Obama, Clinton, and Ardern, he’ll probably make a fortune on the Public Speaking Circuit.
        
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        April 25, 2023 12:21pm
      - Grizz
        
        Tucker was on MSNBC?
        How did that work?
        
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        April 25, 2023 1:10pm
  - Clownworld
    
    Funnily enough Tucker called out accusations around dominion voting machines saying there is no evidence. As for your smears of falsehoods maybe you should have watched left wing Jimmy Dore live show with all the Tucker Carlson quotes calling out truths.
    
    Be better.
    
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    April 25, 2023 11:24am
    - virtualmark
      
      In that case Fox were idiots to settle with Dominion then.
      
      Or, maybe, hear me out here … maybe just maybe Fox’s expert and expensive lawyers knew that what you’re saying isn’t actually true.
      
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      April 25, 2023 1:29pm
      - Littletramp
        
        Or maybe Fox did not want to be opened up to disclosure of inner workings during the court hearing, so settled. Happens all the time in the US.
        A settlement does not imply innocence or guilt for either party.
        
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        April 25, 2023 1:56pm
      - virtualmark
        
        You clearly haven’t read the material from Dominion’s discovery process. Fox was in real legal trouble. You don’t pay US$787m – the second highest defamation payout ever – just because you want to avoid a little embarrassment.
        
        And I’m not sure Rupert feels any shame anyway.
        
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        April 25, 2023 2:09pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Looking at the distinct lack of specifics in your assertions VM, it appears you are simply trusting the Trump/Tucker etc derangement mob. Probably not a good idea if you want to know what’s going on in the world.
    
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    April 25, 2023 12:46pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Sigh. I’m not going to write 5,000 words detailing Tuckers lies. You can Google the names I outlined and read for yourself.
      
      But, if you think there’s nothing to those allegations/stories then please explain to me (a) why did Fox pay an enormous sum to Dominion as a settlement, (b) why did Fox desperately not want that to go to trial, and (c) why did Rupert axe Tucker, kneecapping Fox News second highest rating show and incurring a US$60m payout???
      
      I know your feelings are hurt that Tuckers gone. But I’m pretty sure there’s a verse in the GOP Bible that says “f&#k your feelings snowflake”.
      
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      April 25, 2023 1:33pm
      - Ghost
        
        Interesting to see fox and tucker named in a new lawsuit
        
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        April 25, 2023 1:39pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “virtualmark: Sigh. I’m not going to write 5,000 words detailing Tuckers lies. ”
        
        No need for 5000 words. Just a few succinct examples will do. That would be to show you are not just blindly following a “vibe” from trusted lefty BS artists.
        
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        April 25, 2023 4:23pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Sigh.
        
        How about one simple example. Tucker has said repeatedly that Ray Epps is an FBI agent who was undercover on 6 Jan and was inciting the peaceful tourists to storm the Capitol.
        
        That is a lie.
        
        Epps has no connection to the FBI. This was shown by the House January 6 committee, and by the FBI … and said multiple times by Epps himself.
        
        Epps is now suing Fox News.
        
        Qu 1: If you cost your employer $787 million do you think you would still have a job there?
        Qu 2: If you continue to behave in the manner that cost your employer $787 million do you think you would still have a job there?
        
        Rupert is a capitalist. Tucker had become a cost centre not a profit centre. Tucker had to go.
        
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        April 26, 2023 9:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Carlson will be back with an even bigger retainer when the Dominion Voting Machines are proven to be corrupt. Not all of course, just those machines planted in selected County areas. Votes can be flipped using a programed USB drive.
  There are far to many cases of this for it to be ignored.
  
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  April 25, 2023 8:46am
  - Mike
    
    One might be forgiven for thinking that if this were the case, Fox could have saved itself $787 million by providing just a little of this ‘proof’.
    
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    April 25, 2023 8:48am
    - leoj
      
      Many cases couldn’t get past first base of the plethora of leftist judges.
      
      Justice is slow but there will be justice.
      
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      April 25, 2023 10:46am
      - Mike
        
        Oh, hasn’t Harlan Crow bought all the judges yet?
        
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        April 25, 2023 11:21am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Hey Mike,
      
      Fox may have had Tucker Carlson and Dan Bongino depart, but look what happened:
      https://valiantnews.com/2023/04/fox-news-loses-nearly-1-billion-in-value-after-firing-tucker-carlson/
      
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      April 25, 2023 11:28am
      - mawm
        
        Could you imagine Carlson being appointed WH spokesman for a second Trump Presidency? All the exploding heads as he mocks the WH press corps with that silly little laugh of his.
        
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        April 25, 2023 5:02pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        mawm,
        That would be perfect!
        
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        April 26, 2023 8:01am
  - Caine9
    
    This was proven to be untrue. For over $700m don’t you think evidence would have been found?
    Conspiracy theories abound. Entertaining, certainly, but drivel nonetheless.
    We need to get over this, it’s crazy talk. Unless youve got a spare $700m, I guess.
    
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    April 25, 2023 9:06am
    - Thought Criminal
      
      Struggling to remember the last US election where the loser didn’t claim fraud robbed them.
      
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      April 25, 2023 1:18pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Shhhh. Only crazy Trump contests election results! Didn’t you know???
        
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        April 25, 2023 4:26pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      What you get to see on Fox is decided by the top brass.
      Ratings are important, so there is a lot we don’t know.
      
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      April 25, 2023 1:59pm
  - Planet B
    
    I think he has had enough of Murdoch. The reason for the settlement with Dominion was not because of admitting they were wrong. It was to avoid discovery due to embarrassing video footage dominion had on senior staff. Tucker doesn’t need Fox. Independent news is all the go now just look at his mate Clayton Morris. Fox begged him to stay but he has his own show now which is way better than any MSM.
    
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    April 25, 2023 9:08am
    - emmess
      
      Dan Bongino’s and Steven Crowder’s shows regularly get one to two million views a day on Rumble.
      Tucker Carlson could easily double that.
      
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      April 25, 2023 9:27am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Who has those 100 hrs of videos?
      
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      April 25, 2023 2:00pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        1400 hrs*
        
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        April 25, 2023 3:14pm
  - Nickc2
    
    The same people who are blocking Hunter Biden’s Laptop revelations won’t let the fiasco that is Dominion voting machines grow legs.
    American politics like ours is corrupt and fucked!
    Kiri Allan must go!
    
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    April 25, 2023 9:23am
- Philview
  
  I regularly have a look at Tucker Carlson’sshow transcripts. He has been very critical of Trump at times, so to my mind has balance rather than being a one dimensional Trump supporter as suggested by the NZ media. When the Nord pipeline was blown up and the World media was screaming the Russians did it, Carlson took an opposing view and was called a traitor but he was right.
  
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  April 25, 2023 8:49am
  - Colville
    
    Yeah the Nord pipe…there is only one winner in all the world from that … and they have a red white and blue flag… Everyone else, us included, loses.
    
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    April 25, 2023 10:13am
    - Mike
      
      Smart of you to refer to the colors of the Russian flag.
      
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      April 25, 2023 11:24am
      - rouppe
        
        Also the French and Dutch and NZ flags…
        
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        April 25, 2023 1:03pm
      - Colville
        
        rouppe.
        If you can lay out why any of those countries win from blowing up that pipe I will be fascinated to hear your logic.
        
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        April 25, 2023 1:23pm
  - Greenheart
    
    Was he right? Where is your evidence or is this merely an assertion on your part?
    
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    April 25, 2023 10:34am
    - Colville
      
      Follow the money.
      Russia, Germany, China all big losers.
      USA wins biggly.
      
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      April 25, 2023 12:17pm
- Inandout
  
  Ghost, I see Don Lemon has also been dumped by CNN. I mean few watched his show but in a free speech democracy he should be allowed to speak. Makes you wonder though who is pulling the strings over there.
  
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  April 25, 2023 8:50am
- Stellaboxer
  
  After their totally fabricated story on Parker’s non existent “ extreme right wing “ hand gesture nothing surprises me anymore from Newshub. Only thing that does surprise me is it’s so blatant now and nobody complains to the governing body. I wonder if they realise that people watch Tucker Carlson on YouTube quite regularly so know just how ridiculous Newshub are.
  
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  April 25, 2023 8:53am
  - Swifty
    
    Newshub are a disgrace.
    
    They openly perpetrated a deliberate fraud on New Zealanders and KJK.
    
    They lied.
    
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    April 25, 2023 10:05am
- Tom Hunter
  
  The Babylon Bee is on the ball as usual, Fox News Fires The Only Reason People Watch Fox News:
  
  NEW YORK, NY — After months of controversy, Fox News has decided to part ways with the only reason anyone watches Fox News.
  
  “Yes, we realize he delivered the most successful cable news program of all time, but we felt embarrassed by him at our Manhattan cocktail parties,” said Fox News CEO Suzanne Scott.
  
  “When we tried to get invited to fancy, sophisticated gatherings, people said: ‘Ewwww, aren’t you the Tucker Carlson people?’ and that made us feel sad. Curse you, Tucker, for making us feel sad!”
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  Progressives are reportedly overjoyed by the move, although many are saying Fox didn’t go far enough by not killing Carlson in addition to firing him. “You mean he’s still alive?” said Congresswoman AOC. “Tucker being alive is fascism!”
  
  At publishing time, producers were seen looking through files for another hot blonde to replace him with.
  
  Chuck Schumer will be pleased. He demanded exactly this from Murdoch a few weeks ago.
  
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  April 25, 2023 8:55am
  - Clownworld
    
    A few days prior Alexandra O demanded they get rid of him.
    
    Nothing to see here no deep state cabal here…
    
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    April 25, 2023 11:28am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      AOC. You know who is stupider than her? The people who vote for her!
      
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      April 25, 2023 2:10pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Everytime I click on a link to the bee, I end up spending half an hour there.
    
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    April 25, 2023 2:08pm
- redeye
  
  Good opportunity to compare – nothing about his political leaning.
  “CNN has parted ways with longtime host Don Lemon. The announcement Monday came without explanation and astonished the media industry.”
  Newshub (I refuse to link them)
  
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2023/04/24/don-lemon-fired-cnn/
  
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  April 25, 2023 9:06am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Apparently those salivating over Tucker’s alleged “lies” don’t give F about the unmitigated crap Lemon and Maddow have been spewing for years. Funny that.
    
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    April 25, 2023 4:30pm
- Surely Knott
  
  What will Tucker do next. He just finished a huge interview series with Elon. Will Tucker finish off the Twitter files?
  
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  April 25, 2023 9:21am
- JJ56
  
  Jo Nova has some speculation on both the past and the future here: https://joannenova.com.au/2023/04/breaking-tucker-carlson-highest-rated-us-show-in-history-suddenly-silenced-on-fox/
  
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  April 25, 2023 9:29am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    JJ56 here are some tasty points from your link:
    
    Tucker subtly BLASTED Fox News as SHILLS & COWARDS last Friday. pic.twitter.com/Y3d4MumwNZ
    — Stew Peters (@realstewpeters) April 24, 2023
    
    As Glenn Greenwald says:
    Tucker was the cable host who most: * Opposed US proxy war in Ukraine; * Denounced CIA, FBI and DHS for its systemic lies and corruption; * Devoted himself to a pardon for Julian Assange; * Objected to regime change efforts in Cuba; * Criticized Trump Admin’s militarism.
    
    I(J Nova) would also add:
    Tucker: *Asked the hard questions about vaccines. *Pointed out the Pharmaceutical companies bought advertising on the media to buy friendly “reporting”. *Pushed back against the Climate religion, and Energy Madness. *Pointed out Twitter used to be a subsidiary of the CIA. *Spoke about the threat from China. *Asked why the DOJ didn’t investigate Hunter Biden.
    
    Tucker was too good.
    
    Tucker Carlson’s speech over the weekend was powerful. Too powerful apparently. pic.twitter.com/sxncP26Tda
    — TexasLindsay™ (@TexasLindsay_) April 24, 2023
    
    And someone on Twitter said: “Now Tucker runs for Office”
    
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    April 25, 2023 4:33pm
- emmess
  
  Newshub cannot say Fox News personality Tucker Carlson is leaving
  Because they don’t have any
  I can’t name anyone who works there
  or is Mike McRoberts still there?
  
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  April 25, 2023 10:58am
Tomtoddy

Explain, please where this logic goes wrong. Much of the Western world adopts a goal of zero carbon by 2050. Some countries aim for 2035. China and India and a few other emerging economies in Africa talk a lot about reducing CO2 but do very little. To achieve the zero carbon goal in the West two indisputable outcomes occur. One, is a gravely damaged economy from massive expenditure, fewer jobs, increasing subsidies to the poor and, two, widespread starvation from a crippled agriculture trying to survive without fertilizers and animals. Meanwhile China and India steam on getting relatively stronger by the day.

China with its imperialistic aims sees an almost mortally wounded country like New Zealand and takes the opportunity to move in with a couple of tanks and a few troops taking over the country to focus solely on food production for their people. Our grandchildren will be slaves.

Willie, Tuku Nanaia will get their way. The Chinese will let them have the water, the airwaves, the forests and anything else they demand. They will not mind as long as their slaves deliver the food.

See https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2023/04/UK-Food-Strategy-NetZero.pdf?mc_cid=22d408f339&mc_eid=6166fe1e89 as to how it plays out in the UK.
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April 25, 2023 8:02am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Could we blame Oz for not coming to our assistance?
  
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  April 25, 2023 8:06am
- krazykiwi
  
  New Zealanders largely showed themselves incapable of mounting any defence against Ardern’s amateur-hour tyranny, and sit by while ethno-terrorists annex sovereignty for fear of being called racist. On this basis it would be difficult to see us mount any real challenge to practiced, multi-century authoritarian power like China from making our place theirs.
  
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  April 25, 2023 8:12am
  - Lee C
    
    It’s not limited to NZ:
    
    https://youtu.be/8gZDPjmDlHo
    
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    April 25, 2023 8:22am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      What ‘men’ have NZ got? Zilch. Our Military is a joke.
      Just invite China.
      
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      April 25, 2023 8:53am
      - backster
        
        Maybe the gangs will save us.They got all the guns.
        
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        April 25, 2023 9:19am
      - Piniwi
        
        But Steve just pause to think when looking at all the browneyed tan clan in uniform attending Anzac Parades which side of the coup they would be on? Bearing mind they been programmed to blindly follow orders.
        
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        April 25, 2023 10:56am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Piniwi,
        The average Maori bloke on the street are the same as all of the peasants. The Elite Maori at the top don’t give a shit. All they want is money and power!
        According to Julian Batchelor there are about 1000 in the Elite Maori club.
        Have a wander around on the website. The first posts started August last year.
        I was at the Orewa meeting. The protesters while not violent, were very angry.
        Julian is exposing the Treaty. The Treaty that was changed in 1975 with the Waitangi Tribunal. Then amended in following years with the likes of Geoffrey Palmer. It is all in there. Modern Maori are being led up the garden path by the Elites. When did you ever see M̲a̲o̲r̲i̲ ̲J̲o̲e̲ ̲B̲l̲o̲g̲s̲ with part of any settlement?
        http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
        
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        April 25, 2023 2:29pm
    - Planet B
      
      This has been in motion for years. The elite don’t want a large middle class and have turned humanity into the enemy of humanity. Here is a brief history lesson of what brought about the climate nonsense.
      
      Thomas Robert Malthus in the late 18th and Early 19th century was an influential economist and his observation was, in simple terms, better economic times leads to more population growth which is ultimately found to be unsustainable due to the demand on resources. Thus there is no permanence to population growth due the the distress the increase of people puts on the resources.
      
      Malthus called this the cycle of Misery. He saw famine as a natural disaster and not man made. Simply put he calculated that man could double its population every 25 years, where land was finite and only so much could be created from its resources to feed the population.
      
      As Malthus expanded his theory he noted that it would be better not to rely on the checks of population growth such as disease, famine and war but rather restrict birth rates instead.
      
      Whilst Malthus is correct that there are limited resources, how much did he envision technological advancements, discoveries of new energy, new medicines, new food sources and management, but this is beside the point here.
      
      It didn’t stop things like the Irish potato famine giving support to his theory.
      
      When Malthus hypothesised his population conundrum, we had not yet discovered penicillin, nor the internal combustion engine and a great deal of food production techniques that have helped to reduce famine around the world. Feeding people has become better again with the realities of cooling our produce. Regardless of the size of the population we can be well fed in the modern era. However the seed of doubt had been planted on the sustainability of population growth and its damand on resources. Over time this seed has grown many branches.
      
      Many wars, several plagues and a couple of famines later, we have the birth of the Club of Rome founded in 1968 by Aurelio Paccei and Alexander King. The basis of the Club of Rome was a renaissance of the work of Thomas Malthus. What was labeled “the problematique” the problem being Humankind and its effects on resources. The club was made up of former heads of state, UN administrators, high level politicians, government officials, diplomats, scientists, economists and business leaders.
      
      What could go wrong?
      
      In 1972 a best seller book was released which was based on a study with the same name called “The limits to growth” a paper that had been commissioned by the club of Rome itself. A computer model was created to assess the impact of mankind on the environment based on the findings of this paper which formed the basis of this Malthusian organisations theory. The book’s authors informed the reader that without substantial changes in resource consumption, the most probable outcome was a rather sudden and uncontrollable decline in both population and industrial capacity.
      
      More doom and gloom inspired by a late 18th and Early 19th century economist.
      
      The Club of Rome had shown their modus operandi towards the future. They were firmly paid up members of the Malthusian belief that good economies with a thriving middle class is bad for business as they use up too many resources. 20 years after the limits of growth they publish a book called The first Global Revolution. Here they specifically recommended using global warming as a vehicle.
      
      “In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like, would fit the bill. In their totality and their interactions these phenomena do constitute a common threat which must be confronted by everyone together. But in designating these dangers as the enemy, we fall into the trap, which we have already warned readers about, namely mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention in natural processes, and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy then is humanity itself.”
      
      This was in the chapter which covers their position on the need for global government. The quote shows that a common enemy must be conjured to trick us to unite under a single cause. Here mankind itself is the enemy.
      
      Around the same time the Club of Rome was creating their form of doom and gloom with the paper on the destruction of civilisation due to over use of resources. In 1971 a young Klaus Schwab started an organisation that would become to be known as the World Economic Forum. Also an influential organisation of elites, their inaugural meeting in Davos was on the “The Challenge of the Future”
      
      Klause attracted all sorts of movers and shakers in the business and educational world. The first Davos get together saw an impressive list of leaders attend.
      
      “Invited to chair the first European Management Symposium was George Pierce Baker, who had been dean of Harvard University’s Business School from 1962 to 1969. Schwab spent the 1966- 1967 academic year at Harvard’s John F. Kennedy School of Government, where he earned a Master of Public Administration (MPA) degree. During his stay, he had forged a close friendship with the legendary Dean Baker and had met other prominent Harvard academics including Henry Kissinger and John Kenneth Galbraith, who would eventually become frequent Davos participants.”
      
      In 1973 at the third Davos get together, Schwab invited founder of the Club of Rome Aurelio Paccei to be keynote speaker.
      
      Below is the excerpt from the occasion as described by the WEF’s document on their first 40 years.
      
      “Two developments distinguished this Davos meeting. First, Aurelio Peccei, the Italian industrialist, delivered a speech summarizing The Limits to Growth, a book that had been commissioned by the Club of Rome, the global think tank that he founded and served as its first president. The study had caused a sensation after its publication in 1972 for calling into question the sustainability of global economic growth. Reiterating some of the same concerns about demographics that the 18th-century scholar Thomas Malthus had expressed, the authors examined several scenarios for the global economy and outlined the choices that society had to make to reconcile economic development and environmental constraints. The landmark publication was eventually translated into some 30 languages and sold more than 12 million copies.“
      
      https://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_First40Years_Book_2010.pdf
      
      The common theme with these organisations over the years is they have created a problem of overpopulation and the eventual chaos that will ensue. They have created ourselves as the enemy and it is our greed that is the cause. Thus not owning land is better for the environment, wanting to do so would be seen as selfish. Interestingly it is problems that cannot be solved by the man on the street. It is the elites who are the only ones who can solve these challenges, by a fundamental change in governance. A one world order.
      
      Global Warming certainly got the world hot and bothered about a problem that was easier to market than it was proving it even existed. The less it occurred the more feverish the pitch became and it has been embraced by most Governments as a problem that needs humans to limit the use of resources.
      
      A fictitious beast that can only be destroyed by the destruction of our own way of life.
      
      Then enters COVID-19
      
      By now the WEF has enlisted many leaders. One of the first was Bill Gates who rapidly discovered vaccines are even more profitable than computers filled with viruses. Mark Zuckerberg was in the 2009 batch which also included Founders of Youtube, Skype, Bebo, and several other high flyers
      
      From Presidents and Prime ministers to finance ministers and beyond, the WEF has members in every corner of the globe. Our Ardern is part of this program.
      
      Business Leaders, Media, Academia tentacles in all avenues of life ready for the reset.
      
      Ironically Vladimir Putin is also on the list.
      
      And that brings us to the battle that is being waged. Globalists versus Patriots.
      
      It is not too far a stretch of the imagination that both Trump and Putin are not just seen as enemies of the globalist movement but also have been manipulated by those loyal to the Globalists agenda. The ferocious way that Trump was treated during his presidency and the efforts used to oust him compare to the unrelenting efforts to not find peace in Ukraine.
      
      The non negotiable attitude towards Russias security issues and the total fabrication of the reasons for this war are at levels never seen before.
      
      Anyone who has stopped watching the MSM is right to be nervous about what is over the horizon and when you look a little deeper into the reasoning why the likes of the WEF exist. it is easy to see why we have been through 2 years of total destruction of our freedoms and rights.
      
      Trudeau’s attack on protestors bank accounts and livelihood, Ardern locking down New Zealands largest city for one COVID case. Masking children with no scientific justification. Forced medication for a virus that kills barely a fraction of a percent of those that catch it.
      
      There is more to come, and if you like the Government knowing your every move, scoring your ability to participate in society based on comments you make on social media. If you want to live in a utopia which necessitates you giving up ownership of anything. then embrace the likes of Ardern and those that go to Davos each year to rub shoulders with the globalist elite.
      
      These organisations such as the UN and all its subsidiaries, The WEF, club of Rome and the super wealthy organisations such as Black Rock are all in lock step to bring about a huge change. The war in Ukraine on the tail of the disruption of COVID will cause searing prices, famine and poverty which will lead to disease on top of the already manufactured pandemic.
      
      And there we have it, it all comes back to the cycle of misery created all those years ago by Thomas Malthus. The seed he planted is now being harvested by the elites of this era. Too many plebs on the dance floor.
      
      The looming financial crisis, the food shortages and energy shortages the Pandemic and all the other misery will be blamed on mankind and its over use of resources such as fossil fuels, farming and the greed of the middle class.
      
      And then we have our Reset.
      
      Unless Good people stand up and say Get Stuffed
      
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      April 25, 2023 9:39am
      - Debsta
        
        A very good summary of where we’re at PlanetB, and some interesting history in there. Thank you.
        
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        April 25, 2023 10:20am
      - Ian Boag
        
        Unless Good people stand up and say Get Stuffed
        
        Perhaps you could elaborate a bit? Who should we be voting for in October for example? What other concrete steps should “we” be taking?
        
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        April 25, 2023 11:25am
      - gravedodger
        
        “As Malthus expanded his theory he noted that it would be better not to rely on the checks of population growth such as disease, famine and war but rather restrict birth rates instead.”
        
        Socialism and its weaponization through “Welfare” hands down a real problem here where educated thinking people limit their procreation while the dependent class breed to provide a level of welfare and that leads to a proliferation of dependent users of resources while the educated just breed themselves into oblivion.
        Welcome to the brave (stupid) new world.
        
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        April 25, 2023 11:48am
      - Ian Boag
        
        Socialism and its weaponization through “Welfare”
        
        You might have missed your century. The 1800’s would maybe have worked better for you. Leave the poor to starve. Oldies go out in the cold to die peacefully. Lots of other good rules ….
        
        FWIW – large families were pretty common for early NZ settlers too.
        
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        April 25, 2023 2:29pm
      - Planet B
        
        Ian Boag. As you may have guessed from my rant that I do not agree with the so called “Settled Science” when it comes to climate change. I would like more people to try and understand the science for themselves rather than reading publications like Stuff that tell us how extreme the weather is becoming. Education is always a good step when fighting propaganda and nefarious players. Your question re voting is the same answer. investigate who you are voting for and what they stand for. what did they do during the pandemic, what do they stand for with the claims of anthropogenic climate change. did they support the draconian response to the latest health issue are they intellectually and morally suitable to even have the reigns of public policy. More importantly are they closely linked the organisations that may not have our best interests at heart. Do they want to set our laws and regulations from reports made by the UN and its subsidiaries, the WEF and its agenda’s and the wealthy elite who may just want the regulations to suit there investments. Are the politicians you are voting for standing for something or just setting their agenda through their polling. It is my humble opinion that those who really use over us are not the people we get to vote for but if we have people who resist the destruction of our freedom we have at least a fighting chance of defeating what is rapidly coming our way if we don’t.
        
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        April 25, 2023 6:53pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Your question re voting is the same answer. investigate who you are voting for and what they stand for. what did they do during the pandemic, what do they stand for with the claims …
        
        Aw come on. Be a devil. Tell who fits your model …. :- use as much space as you like …
        
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        April 25, 2023 7:58pm
      - Planet B
        
        Mr Boag my eyesight is failing me and I have accidentally reported you twice thinking I am replying so I apologise to the moderators for this. As to your question on who fits the bill, I’ll start with who have lost my vote based on their current leadership and policies, Labour, National and Act. Green has never been an option and so I see this time as the support of the minor party that best suits. Unfortunately a risky vote in what has so far been the voting habits of New Zealanders in a MMP setting. We all know your vote may end up having as much effect on outcomes voting for a minor as taxing carbon will have on the weather. However, in my shift in opinions after becoming somewhat of a conspiracy theorist, the more we can dilute the ability of National, Act, Labour, the greens and NZ first the better we will be. I can only say I am following a new party to see how they develop and if they stay true to what they are promoting themselves as, that is Matt King’s Democracy NZ. However, I don’t think the challenges that lay ahead can be rapidly fixed with our 3 to 5 year selection of candidates depending on your geographical location. I think we need to vote more with our wallet, vote with our actions on dubious government interventions and vote with our voice and rise up against cancel culture and pathetic name calling of those that don’t share the ideology promoted by the talking heads on our MSM. it is time for the silent majority to realise that the noisy minorities do not represent what we want with our future and to stop watching the 6pm propaganda. Go out and get as many opinions as you can on issues and try and check the credibility of the news you do absorb. We have a sheep problem, a corruption problem and a tall poppy problem, these things don’t get voted out by switching from blue to Red every 3 to 6 years.
        
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        April 25, 2023 9:09pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  China doesn’t need to move in & take us over,
  
  We are already beholden to our main market:
  
  https://apps.fas.usda.gov/newgainapi/api/Report/DownloadReportByFileName?fileName=New+Zealand+Agricultural+Exports+to+China+Continue+to+Surge_Wellington_New+Zealand_07-20-2020.pdf
  
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  April 25, 2023 8:39am
  - Tomtoddy
    
    Very true Maggy but we still have a little say in what happens. China didn’t have to take over HK but they did. They don’t have to take over Taiwan but they will.
    
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    April 25, 2023 8:45am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      They will try.
      
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      April 25, 2023 8:53am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Joe wants conflict. Joe needs conflict to stay in power.
        Trump would negotiate
        
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        April 25, 2023 8:56am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Tomtoddy – I shouldn’t have to qualify it, but I will. I’m not a big fan of China and their draconian governance system and I am concerned NZ is going down the same path, but.
      
      China didn’t take over HK. The lease ran out and it was a pretty dodgy lease if you know the history.
      
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      April 25, 2023 8:58am
      - kowtow
        
        The communists had from the earliest of days said that the “lease” was never valid anyway . Part of what they called “unequal treaties” or some such.
        
        In any event the “lease” only pertained to the New Territories ( without which HK couldn’t exist in the modern sense anyway)
        
        If we want to be legal about it , the island of Hong Kong was ceded by the Chinese in perpetuity to Britain , so technically should still be British .
        
        In the end as with all matters , Might is the final arbiter and the last time the UK might have made a military stand in HK against the Reds was during the Korean war.
        
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        April 25, 2023 11:09am
    - cmm
      
      They didn’t need to take over HK, except for national pride and re building the nation.
      
      In the case of HK, this was built in anyway by the 99 year lease. Thus, taking back HK was built into the 1898 treaty and anything else would have been breaking the treaty (a real treaty, not the one we have our backs flailed by daily).
      
      Taiwan is different.
      
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      April 25, 2023 9:17am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Not exactly. The New Territories were bound by the 99 year lease (such short term thinking!). HK Island was in perpetuity, though viability without the NT & in the face of a hostile China was not possible.
        
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        April 25, 2023 10:10am
      - kowtow
        
        Yep and people oftenm overlook the Portugese possession of Macau . The Reds also said they’d have it back once HK was gone and they did , in 1999 , I believe.
        
        The foreign colonies on the coast were a constant reminder of national humiliation , so they were always going to be resumed . It was just a matter of time and HK was the catalyst .
        
        Taiwan will be the conclusion of that ……..or will they have an eye on the territory the lost to Imperial Russia too.
        
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        April 25, 2023 11:13am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Taiwan is very different.
        
        Few Chinese knew of its existence until the Portuguese sighted it in the 16thC and the Dutch settled there in early 1600s.
        
        Ming loyalist Chinese invaded in 1661
        (You can still see Battle relics at Fort Zeelandia)
        
        The Qing empire then sent troops over a couple of years later and took control of the Island…. until 1895 when it became a Japanese colony.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Taiwan
        
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        April 25, 2023 12:39pm
  - Mike
    
    We are less reliant upon China than one might think. If China were to restrict its imports of NZ commodities it would have to purchase replacements from the worldwide market. This in turn would see increased demand from other countries for NZ produce.
    It suits our politicians, primarily those from national and labour, to pretend that we cannot upset China, which is the cash cow for political donations and other sought-after perks.
    
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    April 25, 2023 8:54am
    - Colville
      
      China is a huge importer of food and that isnt going to change ever so they need us.
      
      Oh…the way it could change is if they try to take Taiwan. Then USA blows them back to the stoneage (conventional warheads only) and blockades them. 3-5 hundred million starve.
      
      USA then take it over as a manufacturing facility.
      
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      April 25, 2023 10:23am
      - Ghost
        
        If only the USA hadn’t sent so many weapons to Ukraine and now wasn’t looking at a huge shortage like the EU. Good time for china to go to war
        
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        April 25, 2023 10:27am
      - Colville
        
        Ghost.
        The Yanks have around 80 Nuke powered subs.
        Each one carries up to 150 Tomahawk missiles…
        So if only half are armed and at sea…that is 6,000 cruise missiles without resupply… NOT counting boats and land based options.
        
        Go thru the map of China and place just 1000 significant detonations… bridges, rail, ports, airfields. That is a lot of shock and awe.
        
        China imports massive amounts of food and energy and without infrastructure the people in the cities all die, and quickly.
        
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        April 25, 2023 12:29pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Many countries produce the same stuff NZ does. There are quite a few persistent delusions of grandeur in the NZ psyche. I guess it’s the echo chamber produced by isolation.
        
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        April 25, 2023 4:44pm
  - artemisia
    
    Meanwhile China has lifted nearly a billion of its citizens out of poverty in the last few decades. How? Quietly and globally.
    
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    April 25, 2023 11:12am
    - Mike H S
      
      And by emitting huge amounts of CO2. We should be doing the same to help our people lift themselves out of poverty.
      
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      April 25, 2023 1:08pm
- emmess
  
  The CCP have long been behind the climate scam.
  It is called fifth generational warfare.
  
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  April 25, 2023 9:29am
- I remember when
  
  Tomtoddy:
  So Climate Change is going to result in the end of life on earth.
  Unless, obesity and the related health problems kill us off before hand.
  
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  April 25, 2023 9:36am
  - Colville
    
    Its done it before…you doubt it will happen again?
    
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    April 25, 2023 10:24am
  - Che Guava
    
    It’s mostly about bringing in austerity and centralised control under the pretext of saving the planet. You and I will be expected to have less of everything and have a much lower standard of living, while those telling us that we must do so will be continuing as they always have, and probably more so. There will be no middle class, just a bifurcated “haves” and “have-nots” society.
    
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    April 25, 2023 12:08pm
Souvlaki

Two very good articles on the sleaze swirling around ” Justice” Minister Kiri Allan in particular and Labour in general:
https://democracyproject.nz/2023/04/24/bryce-edwards-why-donations-from-public-servants-to-politicians-stink/

https://cranmer.substack.com/p/new-zealand-politics-the-land-of
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April 25, 2023 8:04am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Souvlaki – there is a good post on Conservative Woman talking about political corruption. It is UK focused but the same applies everywhere.
  
  This paragraph re a CS Lewis quote speaks volumes.
  
  In his short 1943 book The Abolition of Man, C S Lewis noted that throughout most of the classical and Christian periods, the purpose of education was to train children in ‘ordinate affections’, that is to love the good and hate the bad.
  He was writing in opposition to the attempts being made at the time by educational reformers and academics to structure the education system in a way which, in Lewis’s view, would deny the existence of objective moral truth. Lewis presciently warned what the effects of such an approach would be: ‘We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful.’
  
  He is alluding to the gradual erosion of good values by ideologues via the education system. No wonder we find ourselves with the politicians we currently do.
  
  It is a good read.
  
  https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/corrupt-mps-merely-reflect-the-world-around-them/
  
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  April 25, 2023 8:45am
- lastmanstanding
  
  More evidence not that we need it that the country is being run like a 3rd world banana republic. Our politicans are as corrupt as any.
  
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  April 25, 2023 9:54am
- I remember when
  
  Souvlaki:
  Believe Chris Hipkins is going to use Restore Passenger Rail group to restrict Cabinet Ministers’ and Commissioners’ access to his office.
  
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  April 25, 2023 10:06am
- Piniwi
  
  But Souvlaki this the best example of the unintended consequences and cost of diversification. It ticks all the boxes by being a native lesbian with spirit and zero regard for protocol or the real Parliamentary process and obligations of MP’s and ministers. She thinks this makes alright “”I genuinely, hand over heart, swear on my child, I don’t remember all the people that donate. That’s just how these things work,” Allan said.
  
  “But what I do know is that I operated in accordance with the law, I over-disclosed, in the interest of transparency, who made donations to my campaign, and did I breach any Cabinet manual rules? No I didn’t. I was a backbench MP, I received a donation, I made the disclosure.”
  Come on Chippie time to show us you are not just a jelly mould of a ginger.
  
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  April 25, 2023 11:08am
Simon

If you were forced or tricked into injecting yourself with the covid junk science vaxx make sure you book a cancer check up.

Cancer check up – lest you forget.
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April 25, 2023 8:04am
krazykiwi

Fox sacks Tucker Carlson, the most highly ranked news anchor in the US. I speculate that his being over the target so well and so frequently has caused the narrative-owners to give Fox an ultimatum or two.
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April 25, 2023 8:04am
- ClanMcleod
  
  kk – maybe not a bad thing. It will likely alert a lot of people to the level of corruption and narrative control currently going on in mainstream media worldwide. They may go out and find the many wonderful and much more honest alt media outlets?
  
  I wonder will he set up his own channel like Kim Iversen did?
  
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  April 25, 2023 8:19am
- Nickc2
  
  Tui’s Billboard
  Tucker Carlson to replace Simon Dallow on TVNZ1.
  Yea, right!
  
  Willie Jackson intervenes.
  
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  April 25, 2023 8:23am
- Loddenthinks
  
  I suspect some very expensive lawsuits, and revelations that Carlson was promoting nonsense he admittedly didn’t believe, were the reason. The only thing that matters to Fox is profits, and to do that you need to get ratings and avoid losing lawsuits, or settling them for massive amounts.
  
  That’s why he’s gone, pure and simple.
  
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  April 25, 2023 9:07am
  - Tom Barker
    
    I enjoyed Carlson’s texts about how much he hated and despised Trump. Just a pity he wasn’t prepared to tell the truth when on air.
    
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    April 25, 2023 9:12am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Promoting? People have deep memory holes it seems. From November 20, Trump lawyer Sidney Powell fires back at ‘rude’ Tucker Carlson as even he says she lacks evidence for voter fraud
    
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    April 25, 2023 9:19am
  - Clownworld
    
    If you listened carefully Tucker said in private what he said in public. Tucker will make much more as an independant. Fox not so much especially as it has now gone Murdoch’s corporate puppetry propaganda like the rest of mainstream media.
    
    No one under 40 has a reason now to watch Fox, Tucker was it.
    
    Fun fact more democrats watched Tucker than Rachael Maddow.
    
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    April 25, 2023 11:35am
    - James Stephenson
      
      Tucker will make much more as an independant.
      
      “If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine…”
      
      No one under 40 has a reason now to watch Fox, Tucker was it.
      
      Gutfeld is still the the #1 late night show, so not quite.
      
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      April 25, 2023 1:24pm
- emmess
  
  Breaking Points has a pretty good nuanced take on it
  https://youtu.be/DyTM3VtJnt8
  
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  April 25, 2023 10:32am
- pb
  
  Yep. He pushed too hard against the regime. Gave a great speech about the worlds woes, at Heritage, and was then shot. He highlighted the elites most recent plans are simply evil and demonic. It had resonance.
  
  The regime came together and knackered Lemon & Tucker simultaneously as a warning to the nose-ringed ballcut media.
  
  Look for Tucker in an independent media soon. Like Twitter.
  
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  April 25, 2023 12:07pm
artemisia

A major failure at The Treasury, said to be due to not enough resource and ‘covid’. That is very strange. Either Treasury management is incompetent or they are under instructions from government ministers to install more carpet and brooms in their building.

Tens of billions of dollars of Government spending escaped Treasury scrutiny during the pandemic response, despite an order from the Government that Treasury must provide updates on “significant” projects. …. A spokesperson for Treasury said the reason for the nearly three-year gap between the reports being requested and the first being delivered was largely thanks to “resourcing constraints and the impacts of the Covid-19 pandemic”.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/contempt-for-taxpayers-treasury-pauses-project-reporting-for-nearly-three-years/UKEYBDFYIRCMFIDPS6MT7CBAII/
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April 25, 2023 8:13am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Why would Treasury have been constrained by Covid? It is the classic working-from-home business. All they need is a PC & a web connection.
  
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  April 25, 2023 10:13am
- Paulus
  
  How can Treasury not have enough Public Servants – its fairly new Chief is an Australian of some previous experience stature when she came to sort us out.
  The she met Labour Robertson and his Labour cycophants.
  Assume she has a good redundency contract.
  
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  April 25, 2023 10:20am
oldpark

Wonder was his coverage last Friday about American Big Pharma hitting a nerve or two on the Covid Vaccine question .Asking for some friends.
They are also are interested to know if the rumour Tucker Carlson will be the running mate for President Donald Trump in the 2024 American Presidential Election as a foil and exposure against the fake news and corruption printed daily in American News Outlets .
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April 25, 2023 8:18am
Tauhei Notts

A comment about attitudes.
I’ve been up north for four days. The eldest two grandchildren are aged 5 and 6. The 6 year old attends an average school; he takes his lunch like the others and our daughter does a great job there. That school had a teacher only day set down for 2nd May but they brought it forward eight days.
The 5 year old attends one of those schools that provides a taxpayer funded lunch. The attitude of the teachers is that the teacher only day must be held on 2nd May. It seems that the teachers are jealous of the children having a long weekend, when they can’t have one.
The 5 year old has a good grasp on Te Reo, as she gets more tuition on that all important subject than does the 6 year old get.
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April 25, 2023 8:22am
- Nickc2
  
  What’s your point?
  Are you saying a school that feeds the kids and teaches Te Reo is superior to one that doesn’t toe the Govt line?
  If you are, I suggest you get your head out of your arse, look around and you will find such schools as the 5yo attends are turning out our next generation of bludgers.
  
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  April 25, 2023 8:39am
  - JerJer
    
    Bludgers with no future, except welfare. There are 100s of languages that are slowly dying around the world. Māori is just one, but die it will. No point in learning it. Kiwis have a huge history of overseas travel and employment success. None of this involves a language no one speaks. We are just removing some of the ability of our overseas travelled by wasting their time with this nonsense.
    
    Only the big five languages will eventually remain. Māori is for all intents and purposes officially dead, it’s just being propped up by government silliness. Once that is removed the patient will die.
    
    Few will care.
    
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    April 25, 2023 9:51am
    - Paulus
      
      Unless you can speak at least basic good English the there is no point in trying to learn any foreign language whether it be French, Latin, Mandarin, or Maori which is the only dead language of modern times.
      
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      April 25, 2023 10:24am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Is there anything stopping Maori heritage fans from learning Maori in their own time?
      
      Just wondering.
      
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      April 25, 2023 4:47pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Why do you believe a 5-year old learning Te Reo is “all important”?
  
  It’s true that learning a second language while young is not only easier but also helps with brain development, but the same is true of French, Japanese, Spanish or any other language, and each of those has immeasurably more utility in the world than Te Reo.
  
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  April 25, 2023 9:11am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    It’s not the te reo that bothers me; it’s the mindset & propaganda that comes along with it.
    
    Living in NZ, knowing some te reo is not a bad thing in itself. Apart from anything else, it helps you distinguish the good from the poppycock.
    
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    April 25, 2023 10:15am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Te Reo (like Japanese) is an ethno language.
      
      Stauch speakers of it all self-identify as Maori and are not too happy with the idea of Te Reo being modified over time by “non-Maori.”
      
      “Only a Maori can legitimately use Te Reo.”
      
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      April 25, 2023 4:05pm
RockyJ

The Labour government’s war on the poor rolls onwards. The removal of tax deductibility of interest on rents from houses will force up the cost of renting a home. The poor will pay more.

Hard on this heels of that is a proposal to ban the use of self contained portable toilets in campervans. Soon only those vans with flushable toilets and waste storage tanks will be permittted for free camping.

This is a move obstensibly to stop free campers dumping their waste on the side of the road. The unintended consequence will be to force hundreds of homeless to stop parking up and sleeping in cars or vans.

Where will they go? At least the chardonnay swilling tut tutting upper class socialist twitterattes will no longer have to tolerate the river of filth parking up in their neighbourhood park.
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April 25, 2023 8:25am
- Ian Boag
  
  The removal of tax deductibility of interest on rents from houses will force up the cost of renting a home. The poor will pay more.
  
  So therefore – when this tax deductibility is restored – and the ring fencing rules go away – and the bright line test is axed – and the healthy homes stuff is ditched – we can expect rents to drop and the poor will pay less? I just saw out the window a flock of pink flying birds making oink noises.
  
  Actually I don’t quite undestand why National are pushing this barrow anyway. Landlords are not a big enough number to matter in the scheme of things and they would most likely vote Nat/ACT anyway.
  
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  April 25, 2023 11:40am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Apparently there is a shortage of rental property and rents are getting very high.
    Incentives matter.
    
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    April 25, 2023 11:57am
  - Opie
    
    I raise the rent on mine in line with reduction of interest I can offset each year.
    
    If that poor excuse for a finance minister hadn’t changed the rules I wouldn’t have raised the rent at all in the last 3 years, preferring to keep a known good family as tenants and absorb the interest rises. I budgeted for interest to be 6 percent when I bought it so now it just breaks even instead of making a profit as it did with rates at 2 percent, which was of course never going to be permanent.
    
    I would consider dropping the rents if they bring interest deductibility back, but only if inflation is back to normal levels as I need the protection from rates, insurance and tradesman price rises.
    
    Make sense Ian? Or are real world examples a little much for you?
    
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    April 25, 2023 12:49pm
- GJM
  
  Obviously they were not clever enough to realise there is no reason why people with a self contained toilet can’t dump into the bushes as well. The waste tank is removable….
  
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  April 25, 2023 1:48pm
DimChappie

Disabled Rotorua man wrong colour for rehousing:

“The homes would be offered under a “progressive home ownership programme”, or rent-to-buy scheme. Green said for that reason and the fact the ministry’s priorities were for Māori and Pacific people and families, Hazeldine-Barber was not eligible or suitable for the programme.”

https://bit.ly/40Aafxe
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April 25, 2023 8:26am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  There’s a bit more to it than that. Habitat for Humanity are removing one house & replacing it with multiple houses, none of which are suitable for the occupant of the existing house (the new houses are multi bedroom; he is on his own).
  
  The bigger story is why H for H, being in receipt of public moneys for the development, haven’t felt obliged to rehome the occupant (who has suffered from various significant conditions since birth).
  
  If there’s anyone with a suitable rental coming up, there’s a good tenant in urgent need.
  
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  April 25, 2023 3:28pm
  - DimChappie
    
    If he was a member of the preferred race he would have been rehoused, I betcha.
    
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    April 25, 2023 11:51pm
Ruawai

What a contrast in the Herald online this morning, two articles side by side, one about young men being boy racers and taking over the streets being antisocial and the other thanking young men for serving for our country in world wars and giving their lives for our country and freedom. Those young antisocial men need to start showing some respect for the society they have inherited from sacrifice and contribute to society.
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April 25, 2023 8:36am
kevn

@Tauhei… Our childrens mid sized primary school had the teachers only day on Monday. Drove past at 11am and there were only 2 cars in the carpark.
Call it a long weekend for teachers.
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April 25, 2023 8:36am
- Mike
  
  Have you asked the teachers what they did on that day?
  
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  April 25, 2023 8:56am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Other Teachers used Public Transport.//
  
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  April 25, 2023 9:00am
  - pdm
    
    Steve if Teachers used Public Transport in Hawkes Bay the would not arrive at school before midday and would have to leave at 2pm to get home before dark.
    
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    April 25, 2023 9:41am
- Centrist
  
  To be fair to teachers they would’ve been offsite doing professional development and this is coming from a parent who wants his kids back at school and working. The cars you saw probably belonged to the office staff, school librarian, and groundsman (not sure if that word is allowed these days).
  
  I was talking to a teacher friend last night and yesterday they had combined pd with other schools on new curriculum changes.
  
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  April 25, 2023 9:01am
  - sirknz
    
    We prefer grounds people.
    
    – J Castro-Trudeau
    
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    April 25, 2023 1:09pm
- Centrist
  
  They would’ve been doing offsite professional development.
  
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  April 25, 2023 9:29am
  - Burtland
    
    professionals or Marxist Unionists ?
    cant have it both ways
    whens the next strike?
    
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    April 25, 2023 10:57am
    - Ian Boag
      
      professionals or Marxist Unionists ?
      
      Junior doctors and radiographers also use strikes to make their point …. marxists as well?
      
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      April 25, 2023 11:12am
curry4me

https://www.change.org/p/justice-for-billy-tk-and-vinny-eastwood

Sign the petition so These two can get some proper justice.
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April 25, 2023 8:38am
curry4me

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/04/21/gov-youngkins-election-officials-to-remove-19k-dead-people-from-virginia-voter-rolls/

Less dead Voters on Virginia Rolls.

Will Trump win in Virginia now that one of the Dems richest source sources of ‘votes’ is being denied them in Virginia?
Stay tuned folks.
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April 25, 2023 8:38am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Not allowing dead people to vote is voter suppression.” – The DNC
  
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  April 25, 2023 3:23pm
BarryB

Anzac day- normally there are some very good programmes and stories about the military history of NZ.
However this morning the stories seem to be all about who to blame and who treated who badly.
There is a streak of nastiness creeping into the way the stories are told.
Ive given up listening to how the Pacific island monitoring service was run and have gone to Youtube to watch stories that have a positive line of thought.
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April 25, 2023 8:42am
- hullkiwi
  
  Barry, I got the same feeling. There seems to have a very strange set of instructions issued as to the format of ANZAC Day commemorations this year.
  
  All TV1s programmes are from 2020.
  I watched part of the Coast Watchers tale. Sadly, it degenerated into modern day political race baiting by the forgotten minorities.
  
  There was one brief comment that New Zealand’s contribution to the War in the Pacific wasn’t well documented. That comment was true. So, is it little wonder the involvement of the Island nations has been overlooked?
  
  But what I’ve found perverse has been the changing of the narrative over the past 6 years to the extent that NZ’s effort was the Maori Expeditionary Forces and later the 28th Maori Battalion in WWII, and now we learn that “colonial” NZ ignored (or hidden) the efforts of the Pacific Islands.
  
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  April 25, 2023 10:47am
  - Burtland
    
    the marxist narrative for ANZAC day is bubbling along quite nicely – be interesting to hear what theyre teaching the kids at school.
    
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    April 25, 2023 11:01am
Paulus

Which is why the comments in the last few days some Nurses – why cant we have a deal like the Teachers do along ith all their perks and pay ?
We are qualified too – if not better than many Teachers !
Answer: so why don’t Nurses go and train as Teachers .
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April 25, 2023 8:43am
- Burtland
  
  because teachers are involved in reprogramming the kids – nurses arent
  
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  April 25, 2023 11:03am
  - Clownworld
    
    Apart from the woke nonsense and one culture is superior to others as they go about their duties. Oh and approving medical apartheid. Then complaining they don’t have enough staff.
    
    I think all facets of society were duped or simply went along with the lies , be they Marxist education for teachers or state sector health.
    
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    April 25, 2023 11:40am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      “medical apartheid”
      Interesting term. Is this the start of all Public Sector separatism?
      When does this apartheid stop? After Labour get enough votes to win in October?
      
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      April 25, 2023 3:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Time for a revamped Constitution for Aotearoa/NZ?

Seems some folks are well underway with its development…

https://waateanews.com/2023/04/21/waitangi-tribunal-tackles-constitution/
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April 25, 2023 8:44am
- Nickc2
  
  Prof Williams can say what he likes, there’s no such place as Aotearoa except in the minds of Maori Academics whose vision is clouded by Dollar Signs, greed, lust for control of NZ, and an end of Democracy.
  
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  April 25, 2023 8:53am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Waitangi getting geared up for the Tyrannical takeover by the Elite Maori Coup?
  Waitangi Tribunal is responsible for today’s troubles with the Treaty.
  http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
  
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  April 25, 2023 9:04am
- Ruahine
  
  Labour has been softening us up on this for quite a while.
  TVNZ gave McAnulty a lot of friendly airtime on Q&A with Ardern’s mate Jack Tame a couple of weeks ago. Apparently universal franchise, that is ‘one person one vote’ is anti Maori and is against the TOW. Who would have thought that. Yes, the present Labour Gov’t it would seem.
  
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  April 25, 2023 9:04am
  - PeeJay
    
    Well I suppose that if you consider pre-treaty / pre-colonial Maori society as some form of idyllic state where nothing bad happened – ever – then it’s a fair point – democracy / universal suffrage, like in most feudal systems, is definitely not in sync with this pre-treaty / pre-colonial world which was obviously wonderful for all who lived under that system!
    
    Then again, along with not having democracy, this supposed idyllic society that was pre-treaty / pre-colonial Maori also had slavery, cannibalism, genocidal warfare and all the other fun stuff that comes with that.
    
    While they get rid of this pesky colonial construct of democracy, do they also need to get rid of the other things that stopped after colonialism and the treaty? Do they also want those things restored? Or are they happy with just feudalism being restored for starters?
    
    I honestly can’t believe that, in 2023, we as a country are seriously entertaining for one moment that democracy / universal suffrage is somehow racist or a bad thing!!!! It is nuts that this veiwpoint is allowed to be tolerated and not laughed at. No serious interviewer should ever listen to this without calling the proponent of such a view as a dictator and / or racist. But nope, these views are given oxygen and here we are. Insane.
    
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    April 25, 2023 1:37pm
    - Taieri
      
      pre-colonial Maori society as some form of idyllic state where nothing bad happened
      ————–
      
      Jean Jacques Rousseau has a lot to answer for…
      
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      April 25, 2023 4:16pm
- PeeJay
  
  Interesting nugget in there – “when the New Zealand Constitution Act was enacted in 1852, it was set up for the colonising settlers to have power and authority and it’s been like that ever since, permitting a tyranny of the majority”.
  
  Obviously the solution must be to change the constitution to a tyranny of the minority.
  
  And the long, slow, inevitable slide to the bottom continues.
  
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  April 25, 2023 1:24pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Waitangi Tribunal needs to be wiped, and go back to the Treaty it was (Littlewood Version) Only since 1975 we have had this nonsense. Not helped in later years after the interference of Geoffrey Palmer. 38 years later there are the beginnings of a Coup.
  Palmer has never worked in a real job other than a short time in Wellington.
  
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  April 25, 2023 3:40pm
Keith White

Dawn Parade here was well attended and no wokism was on display. Simple, sincere remembrance.
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April 25, 2023 8:51am
- pdm
  
  Keith where is here?
  
  General area will do.
  
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  April 25, 2023 9:46am
  - Keith White
    
    Manawatu
    
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    April 25, 2023 12:47pm
- mawm
  
  The service at St Helliers was well attended and free of wokism. Nice touch of having the youth as the piper, trumpeter, singer and giving the main speech.
  
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  April 25, 2023 5:51pm
Inandout

Why is Rice leaving I wonder?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/04/breaking-susan-rice-announces-that-she-is-leaving-the-biden-white-house-next-month-who-will-run-the-biden-white-house-now/
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April 25, 2023 8:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Who will run the Biden Whitehouse?
  My guess is Mike Obama – to further pull Joes strings from Barry.
  No sarc, I mean it.
  
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  April 25, 2023 3:43pm
- mawm
  
  Probably because of the conflict between the State Department and the CIA/Pentagon over Ukraine.
  
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  April 25, 2023 5:52pm
Surely Knott

Disabled man loses state housing due to his race in New Zealand. The offending comment is buried at the bottom of the article.

“The homes would be offered under a “progressive home ownership programme”..Green said for that reason and the fact the ministry’s priorities were for Māori and Pacific people and families, Hazeldine-Barber was not eligible or suitable for the programme.”

So is the governments “progressive” allocation of state houses and hospital services in NZ by race legal? While the human rights act says you can have exclusions of spaces by Sex for safety and decence. It never says you can exclude someone from services or spaces based on Race. It’s not progressive it’s racist.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/rotorua-man-with-rare-disability-faces-homelessness-with-habitat-for-humanitys-new-housing-plan/4ZYBUHBFFBD2TGJGLWXCKGVDYU/
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April 25, 2023 9:02am
- Prince
  
  I’m sure the racist Race Relations Commissioner is OK with this.
  
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  April 25, 2023 1:38pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Um, he is too busy giving donations to keep Labour in Govt.
    
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    April 25, 2023 4:07pm
I remember when

The Reserve Bank of Australia board’s authority to set interest rates is to be removed.
A group of monetary policy specialists will replaced them for this purpose.
By separating the functions it will bring the Reserve Bank into line with its international peers.
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April 25, 2023 9:07am
- Paulus
  
  Like New Zealand where the once independant Reserve Bank is now controlled by Labour sycophant executive committee, which is why so many of there top executives have left.
  Australia will regret the same move.
  
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  April 25, 2023 10:28am
- Burtland
  
  Robertson commented on this in the news – said that its the right way to go
  
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  April 25, 2023 11:07am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Given Robertson’s appointments of the RBNZ Governor and the Board of Governors, and in addition his political interference, the question is, “what would he know about the subject?”
    
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    April 25, 2023 1:17pm
hullkiwi

An ANZAC story that is not a message of commemeration.

This morning at the National Dawn Service, the government was represented by Helen Winklemann, there was no sign of the Governor General or a representative of her office representing His Majesty, there was only one MP in the official party (that being Nicola Willis). Where were the other 2 local MPs (Robertson & Shaw).

And where was the PM (the most senior govt MP in the Wellington Region)? He was at a dawn service in Upper Hutt, a long way from where he should have been.

Wreaths were only laid by the Australian High Commisioner, the Turkish Ambassador and Winklemann on behalf of NZ. There were no wreaths laid by the services, or by the civil services (e.g. the Police).

Then on TV1 at 9.00am we had ground hog day. First we had Patsy Reddy giving her 2020 message flanked by 2 service personnel, then following we had Jacinda giving her 2020 ANZAC message.

In Auckland, tradition was followed with the Deputy PM, the Leader of the Opposition, the Mayor of Auckland and a senior military officer laid wreaths. But still no sign of the Governor General (indeed a search on the Web suggests she is just absent).

On this day of National Commemoration, what is the message the government of Chippy giving to the public of NZ?

For me it is a tone deaf message that is insulting to my family and the families of all New Zealanders who had family members serve or pay the ultimate sacrifice on behalf of this country.
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April 25, 2023 9:39am
- pdm
  
  hullk
  
  Was Patsy Reddy representing the Rugby Union?
  
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  April 25, 2023 9:49am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Here’s The GG of New Zealand’s ANZAC message for 2023.
  
  https://mch.govt.nz/2023-governor-generals-anzac-day-message
  
  Note her final words:
  “On Anzac Day, this year as always, I feel proud to be a citizen of Aotearoa.”
  
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  April 25, 2023 9:53am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Maggy, with that one sentence I find chilling, and could start debates in 3 different directions. I just have one question, does this woman have any awareness at all?
    
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    April 25, 2023 10:08am
    - Piniwi
      
      And hullkiwi and what does she say to herself when she looks in her concave mirror? What a joke.
      
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      April 25, 2023 11:19am
  - Nickc2
    
    What a fuckin disgrace she is.
    I’m picking she’ll go to the King’s Coronation and some time afterward, fight for NZ to break away from the Commonwealth and become a Maori-governed Republic.
    
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    April 25, 2023 10:11am
  - Ghost
    
    If you commit a crime in Aotearoa will they prosecute you in New Zealand or seek extradition to Aotearoa?
    
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    April 25, 2023 10:12am
    - Keith White
      
      It’ll depend on your melanin.
      
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      April 25, 2023 12:48pm
  - Che Guava
    
    Re-branded AAAC Day incoming?
    
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    April 25, 2023 12:28pm
  - pdm
    
    Maggy can you send her a message please ( I am sure you have her email address lol) telling her that:
    
    “On Anzac Day, this year as always, We all feel proud to be citizens of NEW ZEALAND!!
    
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    April 25, 2023 5:43pm
    - marcw
      
      Yes, it’s In. The. Name.
      
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      April 25, 2023 5:48pm
- cas
  
  The Governor General was said to be overseas in early April when first Sir Anand Satyanan then Dame helen Winckelman presneted the honours to recipients in Auckland. Now Dame H is representing the GG again so I’m not sure what is happening. Honours and Anzac Day would seem to be times when the GG should be here.
  
  And who was the tone deaf p…. in charge of programming for TV 1 who decided to follow up the Anzac service with highlights from the NZer of the year awards!!!!!!!!!!
  
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  April 25, 2023 11:27am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    Kellie Jay Keen has been busy telling folk in the UK that the guy who organised the lynch mob was named young New Zealander of the year.
    
    That riot in Auckland damaged New Zealand’s reputation.
    
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    April 25, 2023 11:59am
- hullkiwi
  
  I forgot to mention the Minister of Defence (Andrew Little) seems to have gone AWOL as well today.
  
  Are these people embarrassed by 25th April and all it represents?
  
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  April 25, 2023 11:50am
  - Ghost
    
    Andrew little is at Gallipoli
    
    https://twitter.com/AndrewLittleMP
    
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    April 25, 2023 12:09pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      I’ll give him a pass then.
      
      But Robertson is still the Wellington Central MP and was absent from the Wellinton Dawn Parade. I noted last night that Wood stepped in for a radio interview with HDPA, but where is he? He came back to NZ last Monday from the US.
      
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      April 25, 2023 12:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Wow! TV1 kept those videos to play a broadcast in 2023.
  Clever.
  
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  April 25, 2023 4:39pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Our Race Relations Commissioner political impartiality:

But let’s weigh Meng Fooon’s political impartiality:

Foon and his wife gave $1500 to the Labour Party’s Kiri Allan and their company gave Allan a rent subsidy worth $9185, according to the declaration.
Meng Foon said he donated “about $1500” to the National Party’s east coast electorate campaign, but a National Party spokesperson said Foon actually donated $1000.
Is anyone willing to tell us which party got the greater support? And which got none?

If this the measure of Foon’s even-handedness politically, then what might we conclude about his even-handedness when he considers complaints of racism against people on the left and people on the right?

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2023/04/24/while-the-pm-gloried-in-citizenship-announcement-our-media-were-helping-us-weigh-the-even-handedness-of-meng-foon/#more-21607
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April 25, 2023 9:47am
- Swifty
  
  I’d be interested in seeing ALL of Foon’s political donations over time.
  
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  April 25, 2023 10:14am
  - Nickc2
    
    The Race Concilliator’s job wasn’t advertised in the ‘Situations Vacant’ column, it was advertised in the ‘Tenders’ column and Meng won the tender eh?
    
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    April 25, 2023 10:29am
- Burtland
  
  Foon and Allen need to resign or be sacked
  
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  April 25, 2023 11:11am
  - Prince
    
    Allen initially denied receiving any money from Foon.
    Only when the media pressed her a few hours later, with the evidence, did she ‘apologise’ and admit the donation. She must have ‘forgotten’ the peanut rental she paid to Foon for his shop.
    Two questions:
    – Does anyone believe she forgot the rental for her electorate office, and the donation ? How many ‘sorry I forgot…’, ‘it was a junior staffer…’, ‘I have just adjusted my conflict of interests register…’ will this cesspool be allowed ?
    
    – Why did the media go back to her with the evidence, and allow her to change her story ? If this was a National MP they wouldn’t have bothered, just splashed the evidence all over the news and demanded resignation.
    
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    April 25, 2023 12:47pm
    - Nickc2
      
      She’s a [Mod – deleted] liar!
      According to Barry Soper, she only had six donors. How the eff could she forget the one that she’s currently the boss of and could replace if she was so inclined.
      She’ll renew his contract though, it’s already paid for eh?
      National/Act could make hay here. All they need to say is: “We’ll replace Meng Foon, we can’t have corrupt conciliators should we become Govt”.
      
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      April 25, 2023 12:59pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Deleted, but we all know Nick.
        Why do the Labour MPs continue to lie, when we have this Internet thingy?
        
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        April 25, 2023 4:44pm
- pb
  
  Politicians should be made to wear the Names of their donors, like Formulae 1 drivers.
  
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  April 25, 2023 12:24pm
Maggie Pie

Bit late getting up this morning. It was a brisk 8 degrees earlier.
Had thort about heading up to the Domain for the Dawn Service but not when it’s this cold.

Got all my GGF’s medals out last night as a reminder.
He served in WW2 for 6 years and came back to NZ on a hospital ship with shrapnel wounds. A highly decorated soldier.
Looking at all his medals, there’s a round silver one on a b/w ribbon with…

‘For Service To New Zealand 1939 – 1945’

A bronze one on a gold ribbon
‘The Africa Star’

A silver one on a red ribbon
‘A lion standing on an eagle 1939 – 1945’

A bronze star on a tricolor ribbon
‘The 1939 – 1945 Star’

Other than that, I’ve still got his old photo album and two big gun-shells engraved ‘Egypt 1940 – 1942’

I’m sure today if he was able to see the sort of arsehat they crown “Kiwibank-New-Zealander-Of-the-Year” he’d wonder why the f**k he even bothered.

Just saying.
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April 25, 2023 10:09am
- MCōs
  
  My father spent six years out of the country in the NZ Army
  He was shocked in 1960 that an All Black team would exclude Māori
  Māori had done as much fighting as anyone for New Zealand
  He grizzled about guys with long hair, but never complained about going off to war to save their skins
  
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  April 25, 2023 11:28am
  - Mike
    
    Well said, but using Anzac Day as an excuse for political or social attacks is as old as, well, Amzac Day.
    
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    April 25, 2023 11:34am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Mike, you say ANZAC Day is not a day for politicking, well then may I recommend that you speak to the leadership of the government and their spin misters then.
      
      Because when the GG, government ministers and MPs are absent from key commemeration services, it is an affront to those who served and those who paid the ultimate price while serving their country.
      
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      April 25, 2023 12:12pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Best just ignored Hull.
        My grandmother used to say her dad had a name for people like milkey – “CONCHIES”
        
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        April 25, 2023 12:58pm
      - Mike
        
        I didn’t say it wasn’t a day for politicking. I pointed out that it always has been a day for that. Maggie Pie’s comment was just another in the proud tradition of rants that use Anzac Day as an excuse for exercise their present-day obsessions.
        
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        April 25, 2023 2:00pm
- kowtow
  
  MP
  
  If I might .
  
  The 1939-45 Star . The three colours on the ribbon represent the three services .Navy , army and air force.
  
  The Africa Star . The ribbon colour ‘pale buff’ symbolises the sand of the desert while again the 3 stripes represent the 3 services.
  
  Both stars are made of bronze.
  
  The silver one with the red ribbon is the War Medal 1939 -45. It is a lion trampling a dragon , being the Axis powers.
  Cupro nickel ( had it been the Canadian issue it would be silver).
  
  And the last is the New Zealand War Service Medal .
  
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  April 25, 2023 1:27pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    WOW! thanx for that kowtow.
    Have printed out and stuck in the photo album for ref.
    
    Actually the medals need a good clean, but I was reading where other people that sent theirs away to be done actually received FAKES back in return!
    There’s some real low-lifes out there 🙁
    
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    April 25, 2023 1:47pm
    - kowtow
      
      MP
      
      Be careful cleaning so’s not to cause abrasion etc
      
      Attached appears to be some good advice.
      
      https://www.awm.gov.au/about/our-work/projects/medals#:~:text=This%20is%20done%20by%20dipping,circles%20to%20remove%20surface%20dirt.
      
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      April 25, 2023 1:59pm
    - Mike
      
      One favorite trick was to ‘help’ the local RSA to clean and organize its collection, then pinch the most valuable items.
      
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      April 25, 2023 2:03pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ultrasonic cleaner. Does all sorts of jewelry including coins and medals.
      I know this from rockhound days, soldered findings for a polished stone.
      
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      April 25, 2023 5:07pm
- greybeard
  
  Maggie: you must be just a kid !
  
  My FATHER served in WW2 and was also returned home, wounded, in the hospital ship Wanganella. Aged 31.
  NZEF 21st Battalion.
  
  I am nearly 75.
  
  If your GGF ( Great grand father ? ) served in WW2 you must be just out of high school ! Either that or your GGF was a bloody old soldier !
  
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  April 25, 2023 4:13pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL! Some peop;le say I look like a schoolgirl from a distance, but no, I’m 47 and grandmother to a 11yo!!
    ThinK my GGF was in his mid thities when he volentered…either that or go to jail.
    Apparentlty he was facing 3 years inside for a thrd charge of Bookmaking. He was the biggest in Aucland at the time 😀
    
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    April 25, 2023 6:30pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

From yesterday’s post:
Heather du Plessis-Allan On Why Co-Governance Is Wrong.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Heather-du-Plessis-Allan-Kieran-McAnulty-admits-Three-Waters-is-undemocratic-NZ-Herald.pdf

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/what-is-the-difference-between-an-elite-maori-in-2023-and-an-anzac-soldier/
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April 25, 2023 10:09am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Here is something that is too good to be left as a link in today’s Stop Co-Governance post.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Anzac-soldiers-1.pdf
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April 25, 2023 10:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I don’t know if Julian Batchelor is the author or if someone in his crew did it, or if a reader sent it to Julian to proofread.
  
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  April 25, 2023 10:18am
Opie

I stumbled across some very strange wording in that awful woman’s valedictorian speech:

“I remember sitting at my desk in the home Clarke and I shared in Auckland…”

It makes it sound arranged and past tense.

Must be some stories to come out. Let’s hope they are sooner rather than later
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April 25, 2023 10:17am
- Ghost
  
  They were living in Wellington so at that point their home in auckland was past tense
  
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  April 25, 2023 10:25am
  - Opie
    
    They never sold the Auckland house as far as I am aware.
    
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    April 25, 2023 12:52pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Two desks?
  Oh more than that. How about Waihi, Tairua?
  
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  April 25, 2023 5:13pm
Prince

Received a letter yesterday from our local MP, Greg O’Connor, along with a fridge magnet in the shape of a car !
The letter congratulated himself and his colleagues for rescuing the poor and the elderly by increasing Super and Benefits to help battle inflation.
No mention that Super and Benefits are increased every year based on the previous year’s inflation rate. It is not a decision the Govt makes at all. And with inflation running at 8%, these people have to wait another 12 months for any relief from current inflation.
I despise the lies and deliberate misinformation and self-promotion of these arrogant, corrupt, puffed up drones.
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April 25, 2023 10:25am
- Ghost
  
  Rising cost of living, petrol tax going back on will explode the cost of living again, pension and benefit rises already gone.
  
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  April 25, 2023 10:33am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  I am in a National seat, Hamilton West.
  
  I received a letter from Jamie Strange the Labour MP for Hamilton West saying the same thing.
  
  He is bailing out in October, and we have Georgie someone standing in Hamilton East. She stood in the By Election for Hamilton West and got her derriere kicked.
  
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  April 25, 2023 12:41pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not reading the above – but do you mean all Hamilton could go Blue?
    I come from Glenview, Hamilton. Don’t tell anyone.
    
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    April 25, 2023 5:17pm
- Prince
  
  As an aside, Greg O’Connor is so bad that, having been head of the Police Union for decades, being part of the Wellington Labour Mafia, and after 6 years in Parliament, he wasn’t even mentioned as a possible Police Minister earlier this year.
  Now that’s some level of incompetence.
  
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  April 25, 2023 3:50pm
thirteenstars

Timaru District Council advertises vacancy for Three Waters administrator:

TDC have an awesome opportunity for an administration superstar to join the Engagement and Culture team!

This isn’t any ordinary admin role, it has a unique focus – you will not only provide superior admin support to the engagement and culture team you will support the team in the delivery of the three waters transition project. You will respond to requests for information (RFI) from the National Transition Unit as well as coordinating and analysing the data to complete the RFI’s.

https://www.seek.co.nz/job/66808201

Look at the exclamation mark end of first para. You know it was written by a real enthusiast.

$50-60k for shuffling paper in support of a racist policy. Tino pai!

Hasn’t even been made law and the gravy train is chuggin’ along.
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April 25, 2023 10:39am
- Ghost
  
  Timaru are still taking it through the courts
  
  https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/three-waters-canterbury-councils-confident-of-support-for-legal-challenge/ar-AA19SRGD
  
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  April 25, 2023 10:47am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    Teams to scrap in local government:
    
    Engagement and Culture team
    
    Sustainability Team
    
    Democracy Support Team
    
    Urban Amenities Enhancement Team
    
    Carbon Neutrality Team
    
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    April 25, 2023 10:50am
    - Widogast Corwin
      
      I came across this guy at a social event last week. Partner of a colleague. He has just turned 65 so decided to retire from full time work. To supplement his pension he got a job at the Council. He has a bucket of cash to give out to ‘urban art’ projects. He picks out public spaces and funds people to paint murals and various arty things on walls.
      
      He told me it pays $40 per hour. He only works 3 days per week. Says it is a total breeze. His KPI is to fund 3 projects in the 6 months to 30 June. He said he achieved that in the first month 🙂
      
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      April 25, 2023 10:55am
      - thirteenstars
        
        Sounds like money from the COVID slush fund. I imagine it’s easier to dole it out through councils.
        
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        April 25, 2023 11:09am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        3 projects in the first month. Council will not like that.
        ‘Err, we don’t work like that here Mr’
        
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        April 25, 2023 11:17am
      - kisekiman
        
        He should follow the Mahutacorp model and arrange for a “talented” family member to produce some of this so-called “Urban Art” so he can meet his KPIs.
        
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        April 25, 2023 11:32am
      - Mike
        
        I’m sure he has gone back to his boss and:
        1. raised his target, or
        2. lowered his hours
        
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        April 25, 2023 2:24pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    Yet 20 Timaru ratepayers will have their entire rates bill this year going to pay the salary of this one person.
    
    And that’s with Timaru hiking rates this year by as much as 15%.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/131661195/rates-rise-to-hit-15-for-some-timaru-residents
    
    Stay close to government, children, it’ll keep you safe and warm.
    
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    April 25, 2023 11:04am
- mandk
  
  $50-60k for a superstar?
  
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  April 25, 2023 12:51pm
Diogenes

Oh dear, I am hereby recanting my support of and obsession with Rugby. I have come to the blinding realisation that it is a tool of white male suppression. Rugby was invented by a privileged-class young man at an all-white upper class public (ie, private) British school. What could be more oppressive than that. And the great majority of elite Rugby teams today are ambassadors from predominantly white, European countries. Yes, we let other teams win occasionally but that is just tokenism.

The fact that my father was an All Black trialist (in the days when they had such things) and I represented my province in the under-20 grade only heightens my guilt.
How can Maori people and women bear to be contaminated by contact with this sport? Surely an awakening must soon come, and then the pillars of support that have been erected to elevate this sport to national iconic status will be brought down. (And let us hope that it happens before the All Blacks get beaten yet again at the World Cup.)
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April 25, 2023 11:03am
- thirteenstars
  
  Oh, rugby will eat itself soon enough.
  
  The “sternum rule” where tackling above the line of the sternum–lower chest–will be illegal. Try stopping a push-over try with that in effect, or almost any head-on tackle.
  
  And apparently to appease colorblind people teams will be required to modify their jersey colours to stand out.
  
  Weren’t we all silly to buy colour TVs?
  
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  April 25, 2023 11:14am
  - PeeJay
    
    Suspect the bigger issue will be the the various concussions, brain injuries and dementia in older players that is increasing linked to CTE and the various lawsuits forming around this.
    
    The problem that union, league and other contact sports have is that, well, they are contact sports. Without the contact and subsequent impacts, they lose their unique essence.
    
    Not sure how these sports can retain the contact without the occasional injury – difficult to square that particular circle so to speak.
    
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    April 25, 2023 1:49pm
  - Piniwi
    
    And pink jockstraps as a sign of submission to the girls in the game.
    
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    April 25, 2023 3:44pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ” I am hereby recanting my support of and obsession with Rugby. ”
  What about your ‘Mancard?’
  
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  April 25, 2023 11:20am
- Burtland
  
  The equity and diversity requirements put on sports bodies from government will destroy them. No one will pay money to watch virtue signalling over elite talent.
  
  Its the same with NZonAir and music – virtue signalling has won out over talent.
  
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  April 25, 2023 11:29am
  - Che Guava
    
    Sport is one of the more obvious spheres in which excellence (and therefore exclusion) is a pre-requisite.
    
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    April 25, 2023 1:16pm
Swifty

French delegation returns taonga?

What, you mean a preserved head? Or a feather cloak? An adze? Some carved panels?

And why are they returning it? Did they pinch it?

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/131853232/french-delegation-returns-wwi-taonga-to-descendants-of-mori-pioneer-battalion

No, they haven’t ‘returned’ anything, they’ve merely given descendants some framed photos of carvings made in France and which are still in France.

FFS.
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April 25, 2023 11:25am
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION…

Who uses the code-name “Uncle Meng” ?
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April 25, 2023 11:31am
- Keith White
  
  “Flush Gordon”.
  
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  April 25, 2023 12:51pm
Bobba Fret

So according to Kiri Allan (and Labour), ram raids are down 65%. Great Tui advert there….yeah right!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-ram-raids-ponsonby-superette-targeted-in-overnight-crime-wave/B2JV4JFFQRA7FLKJTWWO3QR3AY/
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April 25, 2023 12:33pm
- Che Guava
  
  Down 65% from what, is the important question.
  
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  April 25, 2023 1:14pm
- Prince
  
  As at April 3rd, ramraids were 65% down on the previous (full) month.
  That’s the sort of stat Labour Ministers use.
  
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  April 25, 2023 3:46pm
Maggie Pie

See where Meghan Markle is coming in for a lot of critz….all because she’s having plastic-surgery so she can look like Catherine!

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1650594235366645769

One of the girls at tennis asked me a couple of years ago if she could get a few photos of my nose.
She wanted to show her plastic surgeon how she wanted hers to look.
It’s amazing the change it made…she looks really fabulous now.

So go for it I say!!
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April 25, 2023 1:14pm
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… markle will always be in Catherines shadow.
  
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  April 25, 2023 2:57pm
Bridgenag

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/psywars?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

“Congratulations. You and the rest of the world have managed to survive the largest, most globally coordinated psychological warfare operation in the history of mankind: the COVIDcrisis. During this period, on a daily basis, we had to experience the US Government and many western nations deploying highly refined, military-grade fifth generation warfare technologies and PsyWar weapons against their own citizens. For those who avoided the genetic vaccine jabs, which are now proven to be neither safe nor effective in preventing infection, replication, or spread of SARS-CoV-2, and do not prevent disease or death attributed to COVID-19 disease, you deserve a medal for your ability to see through the fog of information warfare. For those, like me, who trusted the FDA and took the initial jabs only to suffer the adverse effects of same, perhaps a purple heart for being wounded in battle is in order. For the millions of battlefield dead, the excess mortality documented by Ed Dowd and so many others, a moment of silent mourning is in order. Then there are the countless children, who have endured masking and social distancing in school for years on end. How do they recover developmentally? How do we ensure that this never happens again?”
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April 25, 2023 1:19pm
- miltonF
  
  The solution is simple, yet unpalatable to most.
  
  Get rid of socialism.
  
  Why didn’t we have informed consent? Because the doctors work for the govt. They don’t work for YOU.
  
  Why were we bombarded with misinformation? Because the media work for the govt. They don’t work for YOU.
  
  Why did the human rights commission not intervene? Because they work for the govt, not YOU.
  
  My point is that under a socialist system, there is zero incentive to provide value to your customers nor to do the right thing morally by them. Your payment is not determined by these factors. Your payment is determined by how well you for the govt line.
  
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  April 25, 2023 3:14pm
Keith White

Hosting the Commonwealth Games is a really bad idea, another in a long line of dumb ideas so the Govt can spend ever more money it didn’t earn, to buy itself ever more votes and tenure.
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April 25, 2023 1:50pm
Nickc2

Is it any wonder we can’t get immigrants to come here?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-ram-raids-ponsonby-superette-targeted-in-overnight-crime-wave/B2JV4JFFQRA7FLKJTWWO3QR3AY/
Yes, I know its the Herald, but it’s not Paywalled.
So much for our new Minister of Police eh? Come on Ginny, you were appointed with typical Labour BS and bluster but unfortunately, you’re no different from any previous Labour Ministers of Police, you don’t have an effin clue about managing that Portfolio.
Stick to your role as Hipkins nodding dog behind his shoulder on TV, you can’t fuck that up.
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April 25, 2023 1:57pm
Maggie Pie

1ZB reporting…..

Horrific stabbing in Epsom Motel.
Hell Pizza employee working opposite tells reporter…

“he saw police chasing man with a tattooed face running up Manukau Rd”.

https://twitter.com/MeusliC/status/1649242119712960513
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April 25, 2023 2:24pm
- Nickc2
  
  Yep, those face scribblings are good to hide behind eh? NOT!
  
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  April 25, 2023 5:00pm
kevn

@Maggie… Handy having a barcode to cross check.
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April 25, 2023 2:55pm
Maggie Pie

Tell you something else I’m pleased about…

Phil Goff being out of the country on Anzac Day.
At least we won’t have to hear for the umpteenth time about his… “Great Uncle that died in the First World War”

Particularly when you read where him and Helun were ‘…front & center on 14 May 1971 when 161 Bty RNZA marched up Queen Street after returning from Vietnam.
They physically disrupted the parade by throwing paint over the members and screamed “baby killers!”

Chck out the photos 🙁

https://w3vietnam.org.nz/story_12.htm
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April 25, 2023 3:11pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  long haired communist louts like Clark and Goff
  
  Nothing has changed except Goff’s hair
  
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  April 26, 2023 8:26am
MCōs

Tucker Carlson given the heave ho by Fox News.
Just goes to show nobody is indispensable.
One minute popularity rating of 110%.
Next minute strung up in a petrol station or dying with a pipe rammed up your arse or exiled on Saint Helena.

“An actor’s popularity is fleeting. His success has the life expectancy of a small boy who is about to look into a gas tank with a lighted match.”
Fred Allen
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April 25, 2023 3:55pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  People are saying the reason they fired him was because he’s Black and Gay.
  
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  April 25, 2023 4:19pm
  - MCōs
    
    That’ll be it
    
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    April 25, 2023 4:32pm
  - emmess
    
    I think you mean Don Lemon who was fired by CNN
    Forgotten about already
    
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    April 25, 2023 4:51pm
- Inandout
  
  MC, Tucker is worth more millions than you can only dream of.
  
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  April 25, 2023 5:15pm
Swifty

The more I think about her the more I believe Marama Davidson has all the answers to our problems.

Truth and wisdom just flow from her – she doesn’t have to even think about what she’s saying, facts and knowledge just pour out.

And the kicker for me? When she said white cis-males were responsible for all the violence in the world.

Such truth! Such insight! Such wisdom!

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300861172/father-who-swung-baby-into-sofa-and-killed-him-repeatedly-beat-partner-too

My god, we should all just be worshipping at her feet.
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April 25, 2023 5:02pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I guess now we know why Democrats were so upset when Musk took over the platform!
Yes a few days old….
https://patriotunitednews.com/musk-drops-intelligence-bombshell/
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April 25, 2023 5:27pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300861172/father-who-swung-baby-into-sofa-and-killed-him-repeatedly-beat-partner-too
Just shoot him.
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April 25, 2023 7:20pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Crime is such a joke, If he gets the right judge, will probably be given home D.
  
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  April 25, 2023 11:42pm
miltonF

Dr. John Campbell explains. Still births and miscarriages increase by 8.7% during the Covid vaccine rollout in UK.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EE2RH89r3YM

I just want to say that I’m utterly astonished by the accuracy of my predictions over the last few years. I’m not trying to toot my horn here. I’m no oracle. I just see things as they are and I’m not afraid to say it. I’m not the only one.

I worry about my average fellow human. Thoughts clouded by preconceived outcomes and social programming. Mentally enslaved by fear and greed. Too intellectually apathetic to understand anything for themselves. Consumed by tribalistic thinking. Unable to see the forest from the trees.

From Jacinda destroying the country and ultimately resigning, to Covid lockdowns and vaccine mandates, to Covid vaccines being 4+ doses, to inflation increasing like crazy, to the vaccine not working….I still persist in saying that all of these outcomes were abundantly obvious at the time. The only reason you’d predict differently is if you’d been told to ignore the science and believe your eyes and ears are lying to you. The emperor clearly has no clothes, no matter how often the media, the “experts” and our politicians praise his choice of fashionable attire.
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