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Yvette

“Here’s the guts of it” – McAnulty
Not, though, that McAnulty would tell you much about the actual 3 Waters Trojan Horse – Te Mana o te Wai Statements …

“Labour’s reinvention of democracy ignores the fundamental principle of one-person, one-vote and instead kowtows to Maori supremacists, who have reinterpreted the Treaty to gain political influence and control of public resources.

The former Mayor of Kaipara, Dr Jason Smith, appointed to the Three Waters Working Group by Nania Mahuta to help thrash out the detail of the proposed legislation, says it is totally unacceptable what iwi intended when they recommended the inclusion of these statements in the legislation:

■ Te Mana o Te Wai Statements are in a league of their own within the Three Waters reforms, far removed from the already controversial co-governance arrangements … Te Mana o Te Wai Statements are legislated to cover every square centimetre of all the land, including under every home, farm or place of business as well as many kilometres out to sea. Simple and powerful, whatever these Statements contain must be put into effect, no questions asked. There is no co-governance in the simple truth Maori only may write Te Mana o Te Wai Statements – there is nothing ‘co’ about this, it’s a different type of constitutional arrangement from anything we’ve seen before.”
– Posted on April 21, 2023 by Dr Muriel Newman
https://www.nzcpr.com/labour-delivers-control-of-fresh-water-to-maori/
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April 23, 2023 8:05am
- Rich Prick
  
  This is one way to start a civil war. Good luck to any Maori grifter looking to interfere with my property.
  
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  April 23, 2023 9:21am
  - Yvette
    
    Rich Prick – This is one way to start a civil war.
    
    Indeed. sadly so
    When you think about it, what is the difference between the mind-set of Vladimir Putin wishing to preserve, if not resurrect, the Soviet Union as he sees it, and Christchurch terrorist and slayer Tarrant, who wanted to make a statement about preserving “the European way of life” as he perceives it – even he hoped, to another civil war in the USA between NRA members and those who are not – between gun-owners and those who haven’t, with the obvious result
    
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    April 23, 2023 9:57am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Should we have a constitutional law to bare arms to protect our property 😃👍🏻
    
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    April 23, 2023 10:13am
    - david
      
      Roll your sleeves up and get stuck in to promoting the concept.
      
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      April 23, 2023 3:33pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Watch out for Parker to slam the rich pricks this week
    
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    April 23, 2023 10:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Dr Jason Smith’s item was on the Stop Co-Governance Blog yesterday.
  I get the idea that he is limited on what he can say. We are not getting the full story. Tip of the iceberg thing.
  https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Breaking-Views-Jason-Smith-The-overlooked-part-of-Three-Waters.pdf
  
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  April 23, 2023 10:12am
- Justitia
  
  Three Waters confers special political rights on Maori above those of all other New Zealanders. It is far reaching constitutional change that will formally turn New Zealand into a two-tier, race-based State, all to appease Labour’s Maori faction and preserve the unity of the Labour Party. It should be clear to everyone by now that Labour despises democracy and New Zealanders as a whole.
  
  The 3 Waters legislation also breaches New Zealand’s binding obligations under the UN International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights which outlaws racial discrimination in public affairs and guarantees universal and equal suffrage. Mr Hunt, the Human Rights Commissioner, will know this given his time with the UN, and should be speaking out yet he remains silent. Another compelling reason to abolish the Human Rights Commission as soon as there is a change of government.
  
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  April 23, 2023 10:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    JT is saying ‘how can Maori have Co-Governance over water when we own 100%?’
    
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    April 23, 2023 2:47pm
    - Justitia
      
      Steve: JT is a clown. No court has upheld Maori special rights in water. And Maori most certainly do not own the infrastructure which the government is confiscating from the rightful owners, you and me.
      
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      April 23, 2023 5:40pm
  - cjn
    
    Will the British, Australians and South Africans play rugby with us if we are an apartheid state?
    
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    April 23, 2023 6:58pm
Gravelroad

There are two regular subjects on here that I usually avoid commenting on – one is former President Trump.
The other is anything about Covid 19.
But here you go – from the UK Daily Mail, so make of it what you will –
PS am only sharing this as I think face masks do little good and could create harm to the wearer – as claimed below.

EXCLUSIVE: Face masks may raise risk of stillbirths, testicular dysfunction and cognitive decline due to build-up of carbon dioxide, study warns

The German academics who carried out the research believe masks create a pocket of dead space between the mouth and mask, which traps the toxic gas.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11982039/Face-masks-raise-risk-stillbirths-testicular-issues-cognitive-decline-study-says.html?ito=email_share_article-top
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April 23, 2023 8:07am
- Rich Prick
  
  They are safety blankets for weirdos, just look at the state of the deranged Labour types who still wear them.
  
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  April 23, 2023 8:13am
  - WaynelSexton
    
    You all looked like weirdos wearing them.
    
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    April 23, 2023 8:37am
- mandk
  
  ” … dead space between the mouth and mask, which traps the toxic gas.”
  
  Yeah verily. That’s why it felt so good to take them off.
  
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  April 23, 2023 8:16am
  - kowtow
    
    The ones still wearing them have dead space between their ears.
    
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    April 23, 2023 12:28pm
- Nickc2
  
  Yea, I’ll put my hand up for cognitive decline.
  
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  April 23, 2023 8:26am
- leoj
  
  Amazing!
  Who knew that fresh air combined with sunlight is better for you.
  The whole mask thing was merely another form of control.
  That all 120 MPs were in lock step over the failed covid measures is the real shame.
  New Zealand was conned.
  
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  April 23, 2023 8:29am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Who knew that fresh air combined with sunlight is better for you?
    
    I suspect anyone who had studied the slightest thing about the effect of UV on viruses.
    (Stage 1 – Cell Biology experiments)
    
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    April 23, 2023 10:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Another form of control, and she loved it.
    Laying down her Law from the Podium of Truth.
    
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    April 23, 2023 10:16am
    - Planet B
      
      What we have learned this week.
      
      1. The US government via Fauci gave $120 million to labs to create the virus, any virologist who isn’t on the take knows the cleavage site was the smoking gun. It was a man made pandemic we just don’t know if it was an accident or not.
      2. Biden campaign team organised the 50 ex intelligent community “experts” to discredit the hunter biden laptop saying it was likely Russian disinformation.
      3. Robert Kennedy Junior has joined the race to become president partially to come after the CIA who he blames for the death of his father and uncle.
      4. 200 senior NATO officers were killed in a bunker in Ukraine by the hypersonic Russian missiles which is being suppressed to prevent WWIII as the U.S. have realised Russia have unstable missile technology.
      
      We certainly have a corruption crisis not a climate one eh…
      
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      April 23, 2023 2:59pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Melbourne Age and SMH headlining with Barry Humphries Death.

ABC running a live blog In Memoriam

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-23/live-updates-barry-humphries-dead-dame-edna-sir-les/102236344
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April 23, 2023 8:17am
- Swifty
  
  He was just so, so good.
  
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  April 23, 2023 8:23am
- cas
  
  RIP Barry Humphries a brilliant comedian. He was still subject to the wokeness of others less talented.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/apr/16/barry-humphries-name-dropped-from-melbourne-comedy-festival-award-after-transgender-comments
  
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  April 23, 2023 8:31am
- Tony Stuart
  
  My brother has worked in theatre in Australia since the 1970’s. He has lit Barry Humphries’ shows many, many times, and describes him as one of the best people in the business. I’ve grown up with Humphries, and with Dame Edna and co, and can only marvel both at Humphries’ professional longevity and his amazing execution of his craft. He, like the housewife he created, is an absolute Gigastar. Rest peacefully Barry/Edna/Sam/Les, and thanks for all the belly laughs over the years.
  
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  April 23, 2023 8:51am
  - pdm
    
    Inv – I have two enduring memories of Barry Humphries from either his first or second film in the mid 60’s.
    
    He is hungover and somewhere on the Eiffel Tower when he says:
    
    `I have to call Ruth’ wherein he leans over a rail and goes R U U U T H as he spews over the side.
    
    Secondly he was in a restaurant and asked how he would like his steak:
    
    `Just cut off it’s horns, wipe it’s arse and put it on the plate’.
    
    Great stuff.
    
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    April 23, 2023 9:01am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      That wasn’t Humphries pdm; that was Barry Crocker, who played the role of the piss-swilling Australian layabout Barry McKenzie. Barry Humphries first took the role of Aunt Edna Everidge to the mass public in that movie.
      
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      April 23, 2023 9:22am
      - mogg
        
        Yes I was living in London when ‘Barry Mckenzie’ was first released, then there was ‘Bazza Strikes Back’. The Bazza McKenzie character was also used in Oz Magazine it was a satirical cartoon for Australians living in London. Happy days indeed when Clive James, Barrie Humphries, and Monty Python we’re all in comedy at the same time.
        
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        April 23, 2023 1:22pm
  - Philview
    
    In the last 50 years the world has enjoyed the showbiz output of Dame Edna, Julian Cleary, Paul O’Grady, Boy George even David Bowie etc No one tried to cancel these people for pushing the boundaries. The issue now is that is that we have a radical government passing a radical law around Self ID and effectively muzzling any opposition. The issue for me isn’t trans people but the shutting down of objective journalism and free speech.
    
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    April 23, 2023 9:08am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Many years ago he did a small show at the North Shore Cosy Club.
  After the show he got changed and came down to have a beer.
  A genuine nice bloke.
  
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  April 23, 2023 10:19am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Well, that’s Madge out of a job
  
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  April 23, 2023 8:02pm
Yvette

“Te Mana o te Wai” statements – the mechanism by which Maori will gain control of water – so nothing will “in any way shape or form, overshadow, minimise, or compromise the standing of Te Mana o te Wai being provided by iwi and hapu.”
Tuku Morgan was “over the moon” that the Ministers agreed to their demands: “Those are the three points we debated and we got what we wanted. I am very, very happy.”
– Posted on April 21, 2023 by Dr Muriel Newman
https://www.nzcpr.com/labour-delivers-control-of-fresh-water-to-maori/

Under the Water Services Entities Act (currently the Water Services Entities Bill) the water services entities will be required to provide funding to their regional representative group and a regional advisory panel for that group or, as the case requires, to its territorial authority owners and to mana whenua, for remuneration, expenses, or costs.
These costs and expenses may include but are not limited to those associated with the preparation of Te Mana o te Wai statements.
– as quoted in Thomas Cranmer’s article “The Unbridled Power of Te Mana o te Wai”
https://www.thedailyexaminer.co.nz/the-unbridled-power-of-te-mana-o-te-wai/

■ Presumably under this clause, now in law, if Julian Batchelor with his Stop Co-Governance “road show” of rallies reaches Invercargill, Tukoroirangi Morgan could fly from Auckland or wherever, stay in a reasonable hotel, attend the rally to uphold co-governance, and Mana o te Wai Statements, if they are mentioned (or even not), then fly back to Auckland or wherever, and claim it all, along with a charge for his time, as expenses.

And if this expense claim was declined – well, again presumably, Tukoroirangi Morgan could issue a Mana o te Wai Statement making his claim valid. Think about it, n’est-ce pas?
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April 23, 2023 8:26am
Chuck Bird

Someone who uses violence to suppress free speech should not be allowed a free platform and who is likely paid to write political attack ads.

Shaneel Lal: ‘I am not convinced Christopher Luxon will serve all New Zealanders’

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/shaneel-lal-i-am-not-convinced-christopher-luxon-will-serve-all-new-zealanders/RSKAXJP4IBGSFD5L6CB44HLMYI/
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April 23, 2023 8:28am
- Rich Prick
  
  Why does that awful person still get column inches? Yeah, I know, the Herald will publish any anti-National dross, but spare us from this little foul mouthed drama queen.
  
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  April 23, 2023 8:35am
  - CPB
    
    It’s actually probably the best thing that could happen to Luxon. Shaneel epitomises the vile and abusive intolerance of hard left wokery. Being criticised by that clown is a vote winner
    
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    April 23, 2023 9:22am
- Lance
  
  A bizarre argument (insert pronoun) is making.
  So I wonder which politician does “serve all New Zealanders”?
  
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  April 23, 2023 8:39am
  - Cassandra
    
    Certainly Mr Lal serves only a very small group of New Zealanders.
    
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    April 23, 2023 10:40am
    - Souvlaki
      
      Not sure capable of “serving” anyone..;-)
      
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      April 23, 2023 12:41pm
- kowtow
  
  Today’s editorial is over police failings in their anti freedom operations at parliament .
  
  Not one mention of high level meeting between police commissioner and senior cabinet members .
  
  That’s a failure by the so called fourth estate.
  
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  April 23, 2023 8:44am
- Gravelroad
  
  @Chuck
  “I don’t find Luxon trustworthy, likeable, or reasonable. “
  Does Mr/Ms/Mrs Lal ever stop to think that maybe a lot of New Zealanders think the same about him/her/them?
  Mr Luxon is a successful and experienced worker/manager/leader.
  That the NZ Herald continues to give the single issue Lal a prominent platform from which to preach his hate during an election year is puzzling – but predictable.
  
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  April 23, 2023 8:47am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    What has he said that can’t be trusted? Genuine question. When you can see the daily lies from the likes of Ardern, Hipkins and Robertson, and now we are seeing corruption on a weekly basis, I really can not see how we can say Luxon can not be trusted
    
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    April 23, 2023 10:19am
    - leoj
      
      He might get some trust if he grows a pair and apologizes for hiding behind Jacinda’s skirt and not talking to the protesters and apologizes for throwing his own members under the bus.
      Until then…….. (fat chance, he’s too weak).
      
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      April 23, 2023 3:55pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        [Mod – hint. If you have write a comment that way to try sneak it through moderation, it won’t be posted, clean your language up] about hiding behind her skirts, she was no where to be seen, and the speaker silenced them, if you still ate bitter over your plight, then enjoy another damaging term
        
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        April 23, 2023 8:25pm
  - Nukuleka
    
    The tragedy is that Chris Luxon appears to kowtow to extremist peddlers of hate such as Lal. We are not surprised when someone like Hipkins nails his flag to the mast of the violent trans mob but we expect more of the leader of a centre right party. Luxon made it clear that he also sided with the trans activist hate mongers at the Albert Park Speak Up For Women rally rather than Kelly Jay Keen.
    
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    April 23, 2023 10:27am
    - G152
      
      Luxon is a humourless joke.
      Nothing funny haha more funny peculiar
      
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      April 23, 2023 1:23pm
- Swifty
  
  What a mass of contradictions that was.
  
  The biggest piece of hypocrisy though was the statement about Luxon ‘dehumanising’ others – while he, himself, has made a whole public persona, a lifestyle, of labelling, othering, dehumanising other New Zealanders as TERFS, white supremacists and Nazis.
  
  And a question. Did Ardern govern for all New Zealanders?
  
  Of course she didn’t! Pull the other one!
  
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  April 23, 2023 8:47am
- Tempist
  
  I’m entirely convinced Shaneel Lal is only interested in serving Shaneel Lal
  
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  April 23, 2023 9:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Him/her.
    
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    April 23, 2023 10:33am
    - Jethrod
      
      She/it
      
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      April 23, 2023 11:19am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        She / he / it.
        
        Abbreviated to S’h’it
        
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        April 23, 2023 8:04pm
- Ghost
  
  If national hire a Queens Counsel to do a report, the Queen dies before the report is submitted, who actually did the report the Queen’s counsel or does it automatically become a report by a King’s Counsel?
  
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  April 23, 2023 10:03am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I note they are calling it KC but I don’t think it is offical till the coronation, so I think Queens birthday will become Kings birthday this year
    
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    April 23, 2023 10:24am
    - cjn
      
      The coronation has nothing to do with it. Edward VIII was never crowned but he was the King until he abdicated. His brother became King immediately.
      
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      April 23, 2023 7:25pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I beg to differ, they have stated that QB will be KB next year
        
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        April 23, 2023 8:26pm
  - cjn
    
    Yes The King is dead. Long live the King. That’s the whole point.
    
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    April 23, 2023 7:23pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Victoria Casey, QC has become Casey KC.
    
    Or, KC KC.
    
    https://www.cliftonchambers.co.nz/2021/03/victoria-casey-qc/
    
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    April 23, 2023 8:06pm
- alex Masterley
  
  I dont give a rats derierre about anything what Lal says or more correctly shrieks.
  How and why Lal won the Kiwibank Young NZer of the year is completely beyond me.
  
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  April 23, 2023 10:12am
  - Taieri
    
    How and why Lal won the Kiwibank Young NZer of the year is completely beyond me
    ——————
    
    What is beyond me is the amount of influence this Lal character carries. A very strange phenomenon indeed.
    
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    April 23, 2023 11:17am
    - Matt Long
      
      He is the mouthpiece, there’s a lot of big money behind it all.
      
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      April 23, 2023 1:31pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Is Shaneel Lal even a New Zealander? On what basis?
      
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      April 23, 2023 8:09pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    well it’s a made up award by a pretend bank, both are worth precisely nothing without government support.
    
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    April 23, 2023 1:48pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Who cares what she thinks
  
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  April 23, 2023 10:16am
- Souvlaki
  
  About time NZ Herald had the “Budweiser treatment” in this punters opinion !
  
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  April 23, 2023 12:11pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Alas, I cannot read less than nothing.
    
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    April 24, 2023 8:45am
cas

We were watching a programme last night about the D Day spies, those double agents who contributed so much to the victory in W W II.

I wondered whether Kate Hannah and Mr Sri Lanka would be in favour of such misinformation/disinformation.
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April 23, 2023 8:33am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  In war the truth must be guarded by a bodyguard of lies. WSC
  
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  April 23, 2023 9:22am
Tomtoddy

The Ferald continues its putrid campaign against Mayor Brown. Today its a weasel worded article about deputy Mayor Desley Simpson but it has “we are rooting for you and undermining Brown” all through it. It is not even subtle.

How 30% of people though this scurrilous rag wasn’t biased beats me. They are openly campaigning on a range of issues. No longer a newspaper or independent media.
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April 23, 2023 8:47am
- Grunter
  
  Stop reading these ratbag rags. Low readership will ultimately kill off all MSM. None of them deserve your time and it is just outright propaganda
  
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  April 23, 2023 9:15am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    💯
    
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    April 23, 2023 9:49am
  - Paulus
    
    Wish I could but would be divorce as my 58 years marriage wife insists on doing the crosswords daily.
    
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    April 23, 2023 10:48am
    - lifesgood
      
      There are plenty of crosswords to do on line and they are free.
      
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      April 23, 2023 1:57pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Buy her a big crossword book!
      
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      April 23, 2023 2:05pm
  - GJM
    
    Unfortunately, government funded media don’t need subscribers
    
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    April 23, 2023 6:44pm
- GBC
  
  Here’s a positive Wayne Brown article for you: https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/131834009/damien-grant-you-may-not-love-him-but-at-least-wayne-brown-is-trying-to-do-what-he-said-he-would
  
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  April 23, 2023 10:33am
- Tom Hunter
  
  As long as you continue to read them they won’t care.
  
  FFS, how is it that people who moan and bitch about MSM like the NZ Herald still read them?
  
  Don’t read them.
  Don’t listen to them.
  Don’t watch them.
  Don’t buy them.
  Don’t subscribe to them.
  
  Kill them. Die MSM, Die
  
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  April 23, 2023 12:34pm
kowtow

If it weren’t so tragic it would be funny.

Last month University of Otago announces to great fanfare a consultation ( expensive) on rebrands and being Treaty led.

‘Consultation follows the launch of the university’s new strategy Vision 2040 last month, aimed at creating a Treaty of Waitangi-led organisation.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/campus/logo-proposal-%E2%80%98bold-change%E2%80%99

This month they announce they can’t even plan their student numbers and budgets and are sacking folk .

What’s that you say ?

Go woke …………
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April 23, 2023 8:49am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Maybe this department will survive, some heavy hitting funding there. No conflict of interest or anything. //
  
  https://www.otago.ac.nz/infection-group/funding/
  
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  April 23, 2023 10:12am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I wonder whether affected staff think that money could have been better spent
  
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  April 23, 2023 8:13pm
Toko

Otago University has financial issues and apparently budgeted for a 5% increase in domestic students this year but have a .9% decrease. Their retention rate is also down. I know there will be a range of reasons such as students choosing to work, high travel costs, and flats of generally poor quality but very expensive. But how much of it is due to the university going down a woke path of its medical courses second year intake selection policies? It is now well known among the school age kids and families, that preference is given to second year restricted health courses at Otago if you are Maori, Pasifika or came from a small school. In which case low to mid 70s average marks will ensure entry. If you are a Pakeha student (not from a rural school) you will need over 95% average marks. Why would bright Pakeha students bother when their chances are minimal due to these unfair racially selective policies? Why not go to Australia and pay domestic fees there and study? Otago is woke and it could go broke. And a stupid rebranding only makes them look more insular and backwards looking. Not a good look for a formerly well regarded uni.
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April 23, 2023 8:55am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  And you forget Toko, that OU’s Sportswoman of the Year was in fact, a man. So there are other factors involved here. I (and others I know), have completely cut ties (and donations) to OU because of their current leadership and the culture that they are promoting. It may not be particularly meaningful to OU. Yet. There will be more that pull the pin and it won’t be just the student growth that will find them short.
  
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  April 23, 2023 9:54am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If you are a pakeha student set on becoming a Medical Doctor, then start convincing your parents to shift to Australia for the last 3-4 years of your schooling.
  
  You’ll have a wide choice of good Medical schools to choose from:
  
  https://www.medify.com.au/medical-admissions-guide/step-two/medical-schools-summary
  
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  April 23, 2023 10:10am
  - Cassandra
    
    That advice doesn’t only apply to potential doctors. Unless there are compelling reasons to stay why would anyone under 40 remain here? Tragic for NZ, huge plus for Oz. And the Rebels beat the Highlanders!
    
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    April 23, 2023 10:45am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The Rebels played Crusaders
      
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      April 23, 2023 11:46am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      The Western Force beat the Landers….
      
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      April 23, 2023 12:38pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Yes?
        
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        April 23, 2023 8:27pm
- General
  
  “The University of Otago is ranked in the top 1% of universities in the world, and has the highest-possible rating of 5 Stars Plus in the QS global university performance ratings.”
  
  “University of Otago is ranked #247 in Best Global Universities”
  
  “The Otago MBA was ranked 3rd best in the world in 2018”
  
  Hilarious.
  
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  April 23, 2023 10:23am
- kowtow
  
  They’ve had a long standing practise of letting race factors be considered when getting into 2 nd year law.
  
  ‘5. Te Tiriti o Waitangi / the Treaty of Waitangi guides our Admissions policy. Te Tiriti o
  Waitangi is Aotearoa New Zealand’s founding constitutional document. The Education and
  Training Act 2020 requires us to honour te Tiriti o Waitangi and to give effect to its principles.
  We are proud to base our Admissions policy on te Tiriti o Waitangi. If you are a student of
  Māori descent, we consider your application on the basis of a minimum academic standard to
  be determined from year to year. Please note that you will be asked to provide the University
  with verified evidence of your iwi affiliations and/or your family ancestry, if you have not
  already done so.1’
  
  Source . UoO admissions page.
  
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  April 23, 2023 12:35pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “The Education and Training Act 2020 requires us to honour te Tiriti o Waitangi and to give effect to its principles.”
    
    And which principles, pray tell, would they be??? Made up ones that aren’t in the treaty at all it would appear.
    
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    April 23, 2023 2:11pm
Mike

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
A few commenters above seem to be very upset with the Herald. Perhaps they should stop reading it so avidly.
Some snowflakes are always looking for something to get upset by though, I guess, so maybe that’s the Herald’s marketing strategy – promote engagement by arousing emotional responses.
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April 23, 2023 8:57am
- Rich Prick
  
  Perhaps we should stop sharing part of $55m with that rag.
  
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  April 23, 2023 9:39am
  - Mike
    
    The public interest journalism fund? Expires this year, I believe.
    
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    April 23, 2023 9:44am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Before, or after the election?
      
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      April 23, 2023 2:13pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Don’t forget the 115 million dollars in advertising spending as revealed in an OIA request recently.
    
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    April 23, 2023 10:10am
    - Thought Criminal
      
      Do you have a link for this? I’m really interested.
      
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      April 23, 2023 11:16am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Thought Criminal, sure, sorry for the delay, I was at golf most of the day.
        
        I’ll try and find the original that I came across 2 days ago. It was definitely around the 115 million mark.
        
        Here’s government data for the first 21 months up to end of 2021. Almost 88 million. I don’t think it’s too hard to believe that another 30 million was spent over the next 16 months.
        
        A total of $87,657,993 has been spent by DPMC on public information campaigns in support of New Zealand’s COVID-19 response between 1 March 2020 and 31 December 2021.
        
        https://www.dpmc.govt.nz/sites/default/files/2022-05/dpmc-roia-oia-2021-22-0735-costs-of-covid-19-public-information-campaigns.PDF
        
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        April 23, 2023 7:45pm
  - Paulus
    
    Wasn’t another $25 million given to the propoganda section of NZ of Air recently.
    Topping up the $55 million which appears to have run out.
    
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    April 23, 2023 10:51am
- RightNow
  
  Totally agree Mike. Most of what’s published by msm is purely clickbait driven by their need for advertising revenue.
  There’s maybe half a dozen actual pieces of news each day that are worth being aware of at least at topic level. We can get the heading from any rag and be aware roughly of what’s happening in the world.
  My wish is for the clickbait msm to die. So I’ve stopped reading most of them, and only scan 1 or 2 a day for the heading. The rest of my clicks and eyeball time goes to my favorite blogs, substacks and twitter posters.
  I’m feeling much better for it too.
  
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  April 23, 2023 10:34am
  - Mike
    
    Yes, social media is generally better at catering for your emotional needs. My point was that hatred of the dreaded ‘MSM’ serves a similar emotional need for some of the snowflakes, as they find it a reliable trigger for their hate response.
    
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    April 23, 2023 11:12am
    - Simon
      
      Nothing wrong in highlighting the garbage MSM is. Perhaps if you don’t like it take your own advice and dont read kiwi blog. But you instead want others to remain silent. The very essence of a snowflake.
      
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      April 23, 2023 11:42am
      - Mike
        
        Yeah, I read Kiwiblog for the lulz – it never disappoints.
        
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        April 23, 2023 5:29pm
    - RightNow
      
      Having good relationships with friends, family and colleagues is better at catering for my emotional needs, but you do you.
      
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      April 23, 2023 1:26pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      “hatred of the dreaded ‘MSM’ serves a similar emotional need for some of the snowflakes”
      
      It’s more that people don’t like bullshit Mike.
      
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      April 23, 2023 6:27pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Informational needs. Emotional needs for sad … [deleted – tone it down please. mod.]is what the mainstream media does. Glad you’re getting your daily dose!
      
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      April 23, 2023 7:47pm
- leoj
  
  Snowflakes are of the left.
  Weak minds and weak spirits are only found on the left.
  
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  April 23, 2023 5:40pm
Tony Stuart

Àndrea Vance does a make-up op-ed this week, where she attacks the Labour Party. She closes thus:

On Friday, it emerged Race Relations Commissioner Meng Foon gave about $10,000 (in cash and in kind through a rent subsidy) to Allan ahead of the 2020 election. (He also gave $1000 to National’s East Coast electorate.)

Ex-Gisborne mayor Foon was appointed in July 2019, by the Labour Government – but not Allan, who was then a backbencher. However, she is now Justice Minister, and holds the power of appointment.

Foon’s position is now probably untenable. As a former politician he should have identified that his donations were inappropriate while he held a supposedly apolitical role, charged with holding the Government to account.

MPs should not be taking money from state servants, and Allan should never have accepted the donation. It must immediately be repaid.

It compromises the neutrality of the public service in the eyes of the public. But that will worry Labour less than the damage it does to its own image.

This drip feed of mini-scandals have common threads. They paint a picture of a cosy elite bound by mutual back-scratching, most of which happens within the limits of the law, but that don’t quite pass the voters’ sniff test.

Power eventually corrupts. And once that happens, it’s really hard to get the stink out.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/131836545/why-labour-is-starting-to-look-a-little-grubby

Interestingly, Vance chooses to ignore Kiritapu Allan having lied to journalists on Friday, right in front of the PM, at whose pleasure she serves as a Minister. In my ever-humble opinion, that was a sin at least as bad as Foon’s lack of judgment in making donations to Allan and National, yet it appears Hipkins will not hold her to account. Nor will Andrea Vance.
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April 23, 2023 8:59am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Re Kiri Allen being left alone in all of this, it’s a good example of a limited hangout. A term I only became familiar with very recently and it helps in understanding the narrative control we are currently subjected to.
  
  “Limited hangout” is intelligence jargon for a form of propaganda in which a selected portion of a scandal, criminal act, sensitive or classified information, etc. is revealed or leaked, without telling the whole story. The intention may be to establish credibility as a critic of something or somebody by engaging in criticism of them while in fact covering up for them by omitting many details
  
  https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Limited_hangout
  
  I think that explains the Kiri Allan omission quite well.
  
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  April 23, 2023 9:17am
  - graham
    
    I’ve never heard the term before, ClanMcleod, but it does indeed explain the Kiri Allan omission.
    
    Along with explaining a good number of other stories and how they are reported by our media these days …
    
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    April 23, 2023 10:37am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Now if this had been a National MP the whole media would be like flies on shit.
    Even with Jaspinda gone they still lie.
    
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    April 23, 2023 10:42am
- Simon
  
  Fong piss poor judgment to normal people means he is well qualified for various govt roles. You don’t run human rights fake crap with sound normal people judgement it’s impossible.
  
  Fong is govt.
  
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  April 23, 2023 9:39am
  - Cassandra
    
    Meng Foon is hopelessly compromised but the better choice is to disestablish the Race Commission and also the entire HRC. Why fund a whole lot of ratbag racists, half of whom are useless Poms.
    
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    April 23, 2023 10:49am
slightlyrighty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVdZdSNy5l4&t=28s

On the economic effects of Unchecked Crime in Retail.

San Francisco is about to implode.
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April 23, 2023 9:09am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Our family moved out of California 27 years ago because of the dumb things the government was doing back then. Looks like things have gotten worse since.
  
  We had a successful printing business which used chemicals to process film, etc. The State of California wanted to change the rules of how you legally disposed of the used chemicals. They requested bids from companies to print and distribute the new rules (which you were required to pay for). The single bid winner would be a monopoly and could charge whatever they wanted for a copy of the rules!
  
  That’s just one example of why we left California.
  
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  April 23, 2023 9:35am
- Simon
  
  One of the strangest phenomena amid our current debility are the millions of affluent leftists and liberals who have fled their unworkable, now unlivable blue-run, but naturally beautiful cities like San Francisco or Portland. They seem to lack an abstract recognition why they are leaving, or why and how their new chosen destinations are so different and therefore so inviting to them. Is their motto, “I am fleeing what I created, but I still hate those who created what I want”?
  
  https://amgreatness.com/2023/04/18/can-we-do-anything-about-americas-decline/
  
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  April 23, 2023 9:43am
  - Matt Long
    
    Very like Islamic refugees.
    
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    April 23, 2023 2:15pm
- Rich Prick
  
  San Francisco is a Democrat shithole with some nice landmarks, it has been that way for 20 odd years. The only difference is that you now can get Hepatitis C just by going barefoot on Market Street.
  
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  April 23, 2023 9:45am
Yvette

Rather than running a nation-wide crusade of rallies against Co-Governance, if Julian Batchelor was to run for Parliament, I would likely vote for any party of his, on the single issue of ridding New Zealand of such divisive factors as co-governance, Mana o te Wai Statements, naming public utilities in Maori and the mention of Ao te Maori – the Maori worldview, or religious element – to return secularity to every government entity, and to ban the use of the word entity as well :o)
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April 23, 2023 9:10am
Gravelroad

@TS-
The Prime Minister, in line with the advice from his propaganda department, will have weighed the pros and cons.
The pros – Ms Allan is a left wing socialist, a Maori, a woman, someone for whom personal sexual orientation is of significance and has a partner who is, or was, an employee of state funded news media.
The cons – not much integrity there or experience and ability around her portfolios. Talks a lot- especially when glossing over things that may not be quite correct.
Yes, for Mr Hipkins the pros would clearly out-weigh the cons.
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April 23, 2023 9:21am
ClanMcleod

Excess deaths are on the increase in the UK.

https://trusttheevidence.substack.com/p/are-excess-deaths-on-the-increase

The same is true in NZ.

Assessing the excess compared to averages is fraught with problems. However, if you trust the data, then there’s something awry with the number of cardiovascular deaths. But who knows what to make of these fatalities?

Indeed, we launched TTE with Why it’s Time to Investigate Excess Deaths in England and Wales.

So we’ll repeat ourselves – ‘we have reached the point for triggering a causal investigation’.
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April 23, 2023 9:26am
- Bridgenag
  
  From the Hatchard report
  “….An anonymous source has sent me some internal data from the health department. I am feeling as if stuck in the first few chapters of a dystopian novel. People are mysteriously falling sick and dying in large numbers.”…..
  
  https://hatchardreport.com/te-whatu-ora-are-hiding-a-tsunami-of-illness/
  
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  April 23, 2023 9:41am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Our area is rural and served by the Westpac helicopter. There has been a substantial increase in flights this last year. Coincidence of course. //
    
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    April 23, 2023 10:02am
- Sarkozygroupie
  
  Shaneel Lal is a breathtaking liar and hypocrite.
  
  He is on the internet holding up a tube of superglue stating it is “lipstick for biological women”.
  
  He is an out and out misogynist.
  
  Kiwi Bank and ASB should hang their corporate heads in shame for jumping on this bandwagon because some young woke comms person thought it would get them more customers. As it turns out they’ve lost a number of female customers instead and deserve to lose the rest.
  
  Scotty Morrison also showed his true colours when he interviewed Lal recently. I lost complete respect for Morrison that day.
  
  Why does this Fijian MALE IMPORT have the right to decide the fate of the women of New Zealand?
  
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  April 24, 2023 2:18am
Tasman devil

The Race Relations Conciliator Meng Foon
is a buffoon.

The Minister for Justice is a cartoon.

The election couldn’t come to soon.
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April 23, 2023 9:34am
- Simon
  
  “Meng Foon is a buffoon”
  
  To be fair to Foon it’s a requirement of his govt job.
  
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  April 23, 2023 9:46am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Meng is an operator.. It will be no skin off his teeth if he has to stand down as R.R. Commisioner —He’ll just find something else to occupy his time.
    
    The person who comes across as the buffoon is Kiri Allan….. She’s shown she’s not on the ball, doesn’t have a good memory of who has been backing her, and is having to back-pedal quite a lot these days.
    
    Another Labour MP promoted well above her ability level.
    
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    April 23, 2023 10:26am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      TBH Maggz, I don’t think you’re right about Kiri ‘not being on the ball’.
      
      I’ve actually heard people saying she’s quite cunning.
      But MY lips are sealed 😀
      
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      April 23, 2023 10:53am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’ve actually heard people saying she’s quite cunning
        
        You were on the money about Meng Foon and Kiri Allan being besties, so I’m willing to concede that your analysis is spot on.
        
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        April 23, 2023 12:39pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      With Allan, if she told the truth there would be none if this.
      
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      April 23, 2023 10:55am
    - Thought Criminal
      
      So she’s either dumb or duplicitous.
      
      Great choice for voters.
      
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      April 23, 2023 11:27am
      - Matt Long
        
        Those terms aren’t mutually exclusive.
        
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        April 23, 2023 2:18pm
Yvette

Rahui – restricting access to, or use of, an area or resource by the kaitiakitanga [Maori carer] of the area

… The imposing of rāhui by Māori iwi has no official legal standing, and penalties are not formally imposed upon anyone breaking a rāhui, but it is seen as culturally insensitive to do so.

Notable rāhui
Whakaari/White Island following 2019 volcanic eruption
Following the volcanic eruption of Whakaari/White Island, in which 20 people were killed, a rāhui was placed on the island restricting access. It was reported that the rāhui was placed on the island following a ceremony which took place at the mouth of the Whakatane River at 4am on Tuesday 10 December 2019. The Buttle family, who have owned the island for over 80 years, asked that the rāhui be respected. The rāhui was lifted on Saturday 28 December.

Mataharehare Pa site, Parnell, Auckland City
A rāhui was placed on the site by Ngāti Whātua-o-Ōrākei and Tainui elders in March 2021, shortly before construction work on a controversial National Erebus memorial was scheduled to start. This rāhui carries unusual significance given its application is deemed primarily a political act. …

… The imposing of rāhui by Māori iwi has no official legal standing, and penalties are not formally imposed upon anyone breaking a rāhui, but it is seen as culturally insensitive to do so. …
– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rāhui

Presumably, if a rahui related to water in any way, a Mana o te Wai statement could give a rahui the official legal standing, which it apparently does not have at the moment, and it would be obliged to be acted on by the 3 Waters Entity that the statement is issued to, and in turn be referred to the courts – again presumably at the Entities expense.
Check it out :o)
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April 23, 2023 9:37am
- Rich Prick
  
  Or we could just tell the great warblers to “get fucked”.
  
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  April 23, 2023 9:48am
  - Keith White
    
    I’d expect certain ethnic gangs will be the literal Sturmabteilung of the Waters’ enforcement ‘oversight’.
    
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    April 24, 2023 5:19pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  TMoTW represent total control. It will not matter in law how absurd or spurious the TMoTW statement is, it HAS to be brought to effect.
  
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  April 23, 2023 9:52am
  - Cassandra
    
    I pronounce a rahui on rahuis and other tutaepuru. But I quite like the idea of the Erebus rahui – this memorial has no place in Parnell.
    
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    April 23, 2023 10:53am
    - Mike
      
      Your distress over the Erebus memorial must surely make you more empathetic towards Māori concerns over their wāhi tapu as well.
      
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      April 23, 2023 11:00am
Tasman devil

There was a conciliator called Foon,
who threw dollars around like going to the moon,
the Minister said there was nothing sinister,
but we all know she’s fed cashwith a spoon
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April 23, 2023 10:06am
Suze Wainwright

Shaneel Lal believes Chris Luxon doesn’t have his back.

Shaneel might be disappointed, but I’m still confident that not terribly many red blooded aotearoan males would want to have his back either…
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April 23, 2023 10:08am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well, as the poor lady whose face got bashed in at Parker Rally, it appears that Christopher Hipkins hasn’t got our fronts protected.
  
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  April 23, 2023 10:29am
Tomtoddy

One of the best interviews ever done in NZ – Nadine Strossen on Q and A with Jack Tame. Well worth watching.
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April 23, 2023 10:17am
- Swifty
  
  She speaks wonderfully well.
  
  There is a good Platform interview with her on YouTube too. Recent.
  
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  April 23, 2023 5:39pm
Maggie Pie

Heading home from Mass earlier and thinking to myself ….this is obviously part of the agenda the Maori Caucus has been pushing for.
Make it even MORE attractive for our whitest & brightest to leave for Oz and leave the rest of them to it.

Chippy bought it matau, aho, & totohu.
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April 23, 2023 10:18am
- Bridgenag
  
  Watch this one posted before…..
  
  https://youtu.be/vWkepoLUZfs
  
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  April 23, 2023 12:58pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    WOW! ….just wow 🙁
    
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    April 23, 2023 1:45pm
Chuck Bird

Is they crap taxpayer funded?

Pink or blue?
Boy or girl?
When parents don’t share their baby’s gender.
Welcome to the new growing movement of ‘theybies’.
This week @1newsnz 7.30

https://www.facebook.com/SundayTVNZ
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April 23, 2023 10:26am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Child abuse
  
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  April 23, 2023 8:27pm
Yvette

CURIA PUBLIC POLL AVERAGE
Vote Seats
National 35.5& – 45
Labour 35.0% – 45
Green 9.2% – 12
NZ First 1.7% – 0
Act 10.6% – 14
Maori 3.1% – 4
from the Kiwiblog sidebar

So the Maori Party would be “kingmaker”? – the antithesis to Winston, but they would also likely choose Labour
And as several have suggested, Labour is now dictated to by its Maori Cacaus – an “under”-current example of “co-governance”, with all its foibles, in practise, albeit not for public display – so why would Maori need a separate He Puapua Parliament when they can have this one?
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April 23, 2023 10:27am
Maggie Pie

And see a bestie has just tweeted the link to an OIA request.
Probablt wont come as much surprise to anyone that this rotten to the core gubmint spent over $116 MILLION DOLLARS in a 2 year period on Covid-19 & Vaccination advertising campaigns !!

What my partner would like to know…. is which ‘Media Agency they used?
The commission on that would have been a VERY nice little earn 😎

https://twitter.com/PatriotNz2022/status/1648940728578609153
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April 23, 2023 10:39am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, and the propaganda continues with actors claiming to be a panelbeater, fisherman and fitness trainer all wanting to get jabbed to ‘protect their whanau’. All very chummy but with the fear factor looming large.
  
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  April 23, 2023 11:19am
Yvette

Dark Three Waters core untouched in rebrand

and this may be the “core” of the “core” …

As a member of the Government’s Three Waters Working Group for Representation, Governance and Accountability in 2021-22 I know well what’s intended by Te Mana o Te Wai Statements. I’ve been critical of the unacceptable direction of what the Government was going for with this. The ideas behind the TMOTW statements are something quite separate from the co-governance arrangements but still absolutely part of the story here. For more than a year I’ve written on this, been interviewed on this and even presented to the Parliamentary Select Committee for the Water Services Entities Bill, where I was surprised MPs were unaware of or confused about what was proposed for Te Mana o Te Wai statements. Even now, having had a chance to reconsider what they’re doing with all aspects of Three Waters, Government is still following the idea of what iwi leaders call “ending the tyranny of the majority”. It’s not about a joined up New Zealand where everyone is leaning in to fix our water challenges, it’s simply racially divisive.

Dr Jason Smith was Mayor of Kaipara District from 2018-22, where he was a vocal critic of the Three Waters policies of the Government.
https://twitter.com/drjakesmith/status/1646621739445784577/photo/1
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April 23, 2023 11:07am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

The bouncers were physically huge!
Only a handful of protesters came, and none tried to get in. So really, the protesters were a non event. What a difference this makes.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/tauranga-event-rocked/

Mt Maunganui tonight at 5pm. Register here:
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/2023-nz-stop-co-governance-tour/
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April 23, 2023 11:11am
graham

Yesterday DPF pointed us to a news article which revealed that the new crossing over the Waitemata might raise two rude fingers to cars, buses, and freight, and focus exclusively on walking, cycling and rail.

This article also reported that Julie Anne Genter is of the opinion that “The best option in the short term is to fast-track rail to the Shore and immediately allocate dedicated bus and bike lanes on the bridge.” Which implies that if Ms Genter had her way the current eight lanes for all traffic on the Harbour Bridge – which are already heavily congested – would be reduced to presumably just five lanes for cars (assuming one lane in each direction for buses and another lane for bikes) and focus on building an entire rapid transit network from scratch!

I can not work out why the Greens and Labour are so fixated on light rail, to the seeming exclusion of ANY other option – even existing public transport. Sure, it can be a good option if done correctly and with a long term view, but don’t discard other options. Delivering light rail to the North Shore and extending it up to Albany will cost and eye-watering amount of money and take who knows how many decades. We already have the very good Northern Busway which was opened in 2008 and actually works. Hell, according to Auckland Council around a third of the trips over the Harbour Bridge in the morning peak travel period are now taken by bus, and by the mid-2030s it is forecast that more morning peak trips across the bridge will be by bus than by car.

Anybody who has the time and motivation should fill in the survey here:

https://nzta.mysocialpinpoint.com/awhc

They ask for our feedback – let’s give it to them. And yes there are plenty of free text fields where you can say exactly what you think.
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April 23, 2023 11:12am
MCōs

The Nats want to bring back shipping of live stock.
Go for it , boys,
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/world/480511/gulf-livestock-1-abc-investigation-reveals-history-of-concerns-over-ship-before-fatal-sinking
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April 23, 2023 11:15am
- Ghost
  
  Can we convert the boats to ship some of our human livestock to Aussie?
  
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  April 23, 2023 11:18am
  - sirknz
    
    The ones we would want to export will be sent right back…
    
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    April 23, 2023 1:22pm
- Taieri
  
  There’s nothing wrong with livestock shipping, provided it’s done correctly. Unfortunately, there’s a number of failures. which resulted in Gulf Livestock 1 sinking. One of them, the major one, was the (in)action of the vessel’s young, inexperienced Master in typhoon avoidance, which is inexcusable. The other one, was the failure on the part of the Port State Control in NZ in not conducting a thorough inspection of this vessel before she was allowed to depart from New Zealand. Apart from her technical condition, the standards maintained on board were simply abysmal and this was not a secret.
  There’re some quite modern, purpose built and well maintained vessels in this trade, some of them have recently visited NZ ports. Personally, I’d have no problem with sailing on the ships such as Greyman Express or Al-Kuwait. Surprisingly enough, the animal welfare people don’t seem to object to the way, the livestock is being transported between Chathams and NZ mainland – in the dark and dingy hold of an old general cargo vessel Southern Tiare.
  
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  April 23, 2023 11:46am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    I have had cattle shipped on deck from the UK to NZ. Smell with a following wind was terrible.
    
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    April 23, 2023 12:58pm
    - Taieri
      
      The original Straitsman used to stink Wellington waterfront up every now and then.
      One ship I was on, used to occasionally carry the DB Breweries Clydesdale horses – they were a great fun to watch.
      
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      April 23, 2023 6:12pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      They used to say that about slave ships, apparently
      
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      April 23, 2023 8:31pm
- Matt Long
  
  The failures of this vessel will never be repeated and have little to do with decisions regarding conditions for livestock transport.
  
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  April 23, 2023 2:27pm
Albert_Ross

Something from the UK Guardian (sorry, but it’s the only one that you can still read free): the ruling Conservative party is thinking about allowing for, or imposing, greater politicisation in the civil service there.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/apr/22/tories-consider-controversial-plan-to-politicise-civil-service-after-raab-scandal

The argument includes this:

only radical change, learning from the examples of countries such as Australia, New Zealand and Canada, will prevent more crises breaking out between ministers and civil servants

What on earth is this? What from New Zealand’s experience is supposed to demonstrate the merits of a more highly politicised civil service?
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April 23, 2023 11:33am
- Swifty
  
  Presumably that we are relatively low in such crisis occurrences?
  
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  April 23, 2023 1:01pm
  - Albert_Ross
    
    But how can the case be made that that is because we have a politicized civil service?
    
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    April 23, 2023 3:45pm
    - Swifty
      
      I think it was poorly worded but the author was referring to us, Aus and Canada as examples to work towards, not the opposite.
      
      We don’t have a politicised civil service is the point he/she is trying to make, but buggered it up.
      
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      April 23, 2023 5:36pm
      - GJM
        
        No, they are correct. We have a politicised civil service. It is fa left and very woke, and works actively against any government that does ot agree with them.
        National need to go through the Civil service with fire and sword and make it clear they are supposed to be neutral.
        
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        April 23, 2023 7:20pm
Maggie Pie

Some years ago I actually visited the “Women’s Museum” in Denmark.

No surprise they’ve just changed the name to the…. “Gender Museum”

https://twitter.com/singlikeadiva/status/1649334580955197440
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April 23, 2023 12:08pm
- Ghost
  
  Got to feel sorry for any intelligent alien life watching this planet and trying to work out wtf is going on.
  
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  April 23, 2023 12:15pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    https://youtu.be/vWkepoLUZfs
    
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    April 23, 2023 12:59pm
- Rich Prick
  
  You should have visited the Women’s
  Museum in Tangier. Fascinating that modern uni kids don’t get to see real life.
  
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  May 3, 2023 12:39am
Ghost

But we weren’t going to have any strikes under labour

Secondary school teachers will stop teaching different year levels of students on certain days as their industrial action continues.

The new school term begins on Monday and secondary teachers are set to take more industrial action in support of their collective agreement negotiations.

NZ Post Primary Teachers’ Association Te Wehengarua (PPTA) said they would “much prefer” to be beginning the term in a settled environment, but after 11 months of negotiations they haven’t been able to make satisfactory progress on some major issues.

Newshub
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April 23, 2023 12:50pm
- AitchW
  
  We weren’t having strikes on Ardern’s watch. Now that she’s gone it’s open slather……
  
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  April 23, 2023 3:12pm
- rockape
  
  The nurses union has just informed the nurses that the pay offer they have been offered is low and looks like a strike is recommended. I guess a few grannies dying is no worries for this government.
  
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  April 23, 2023 3:14pm
  - GJM
    
    They saved 80,000 grannies. Won’t notice if they lose a few as collateral damage.
    
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    April 23, 2023 7:21pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Well, there haven’t been any teacher strikes in the last fortnight, so that must be progress.
  
  Wait, what?
  
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  April 23, 2023 8:34pm
JimBobJoe

https://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/apr/20/michael-morell-cia-ex-official-said-biden-campaign/

Interesting that Bidens campaign were behind the infamous letter signed by career intelligence operatives… The letter cast lots of doubt on the Hunter Biden laptop story.

But most importantly allowed all the left leaning media and the social media big boys to suppress the story a few weeks before the last US Presidential election

The Swamp critters always find a way.

Note: the quoted source is here… In case Washington Times triggers you

https://judiciary.house.gov/media/press-releases/new-testimony-reveals-secretary-blinken-and-biden-campaign-behind-infamous
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April 23, 2023 12:57pm
CAKE FACE1

There are so many problems facing New Zealand at the moment – in the economy, education, health and crime, to name but a few.

Yet I would argue that the biggest problem that faces New Zealand is the insidious takeover of our lickspittle media by neo-Marxist propagandists.

The neo-Marxist takeover of the Team of $55 Million is the most important problem we face now, because it ensures that none of the problems the country faces will ever be addressed. Note that the government is the biggest advertiser for the media as well, spending over half a billion dollars, as well as the $55 million direct propaganda budget.

I recommend this article by Karl du Fresne:

http://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2023/04/we-are-no-better-than-putins-russia-or.html

This article haunts me. I feel sad and depressed. I have so many questions. How did we arrive at this state of affairs? Will it ever end? Do the National Party have a plan to address these issues?

I think that Mr Seymour understands what is going on. Mr Luxon and Ms Willis appear to be blissfully oblivious to the events unfolding before them.

I would like to believe that Mr Luxon has a plan for addressing the takeover of our media by neo-Marxist ideology, but I have seen no evidence to date.

If the neo-Marxist propagandists aren’t confronted, we are all doomed.
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April 23, 2023 1:19pm
sirknz

15 minute cities are just a myth:

https://archive.fo/MgV8n

What is the point of license plate recognition when those involved in ramraids are using stolen cars?
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April 23, 2023 1:21pm
RRM

Foodstuffs supermarkets are displaying a letter, saying that new rules about “taxable supply information” now means that retail sales over $1,000 must come with a receipt that includes the purchaser’s name and contact information.

Why?

I tend to do a big monthly grocery shop. Will I soon have to answer to some turd in the ministry of something, any time they decide they want an explanation of why I bought ten blocks of Colby cheese on special?
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April 23, 2023 1:44pm
- Nickc2
  
  That is outlandish!
  My guess is that the Govt wishes to add an additional tax on purchases in excess of a thousand dollars.
  Isn’t it strange how Labour Govt’s think? In Aust, a Labor Govt (Julia Gillard) put an additional tax on what was perceived as luxury cars. Here, this Govt abolished ‘prompt payment discounts’ on Power Bills.
  These are trivial I know but IMO, they were catering to the thoughts of their lower-echelon voters and Cloth Cap Unionists.
  
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  April 23, 2023 2:02pm
- kowtow
  
  While certain people can walk out the shop with literally a trolley full of stolen goods .
  
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  April 23, 2023 4:57pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Excuse me, madam. Your trolley appears to hold more than $1,000 of goods. Just fill out this form please. No need to worry about payment.
    
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    April 23, 2023 8:40pm
Maggie Pie

Pages from the diary of an early European settler to NZ….James Heberly.

Includes his eyewitness accounts of Maori – stuff they never taught us at school 🙁

https://twitter.com/Rustofur/status/1649640688806658049
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April 23, 2023 1:54pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A hard read. Some would not read all. I did.
  Fancy a Mother being offered her Son’s flesh to eat.
  All this less than 200 years ago!
  
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  April 23, 2023 3:01pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  James Heberley is well known in Wellington as the first pilot; Worser Bay is named after his weather reports.
  
  Not put off by his Bay of Islands experience, he married a Maori woman from the top of the South.
  
  https://natlib.govt.nz/records/22367788
  
  https://www.wcl.govt.nz/maori/wellington/bio-heberleys.html – includes a photo
  
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  April 23, 2023 8:47pm
lifesgood

I saw an article today saying someone had died from a “cardiac event” and we keep seeing reports of people dying from a “water event”. What the hell is wrong with people? They are heart attacks and drownings and always will be as far as I’m concerned. The rot set in when they started calling blind people “visually challenged” and crippled people “mobility challenged”. It says to me that they, whoever “they” are, think it is shameful to be blind or crippled when, of course, it is not. Let’s get back to being straightforward and honest about things. I still use the terms blind and crippled and fat and short because they are good, simple descriptive words. It doesn’t mean I’m lacking in compassion for the afflicted.
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April 23, 2023 2:05pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Mentally challenged = stupid.
  
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  April 23, 2023 2:49pm
- H. Upmann
  
  “Past away ” is the one that gets me.
  
  They are dead. They died.
  
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  April 23, 2023 6:03pm
Swifty

what this article didn’t cover, for some of that clearly now old-fashioned balance, is that for every Sikh separatist who wants to break up India, there are 1,000 other Indians who say “piss off to New Zealand and stay there, we don’t want you.”

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/131636537/kiwi-sikhs-fear-they-are-stuck-in-exile-as-rising-hindu-nationalism-grips-india

No Indian government is going to give these Sikh separatists (now terrorists given their recent violent tactics) Punjab or anywhere else. They might as well face it.
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April 23, 2023 2:41pm
- Swifty
  
  *What this article….
  
  [Mod – fixed for you]
  
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  April 23, 2023 3:45pm
  - Swifty
    
    Thank you.
    
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    April 23, 2023 5:33pm
kevn

@Swifty… They are too busy running their ca$h businesses to worry.
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April 23, 2023 2:56pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Child Suicide Legalised.
Not sure where I stand on this. I am in favour of assisted death of the terminally ill, to allow them not to suffer. The decision must have a lot of input.
But children? They can not make that decision. Even if in a natural coma?

https://finishtherace.com/ella-ford/netherlands-legalizes-euthanasia-for-terminally-ill-children/
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April 23, 2023 3:14pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Alec Baldwin will never face charges. That [Mod – tone your language down] pulled the trigger and got away with it. Candace Owens and Dana Loesch have input. If you don’t know who they are use the google machine.
This could mean that anyone accused of gun murder could now have a case – if they did not know how guns work and what is a blank and what is not. (A blank does NOT have a bullet at the front of the round)

https://finishtherace.com/ella-ford/prosecutors-drop-criminal-charges-against-alec-baldwin-in-rust-shooting/
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April 23, 2023 3:24pm
- Inandout
  
  SO, there are civil cases pending.
  
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  April 23, 2023 4:02pm
Maggie Pie

Actually, I’ll tell yu who I really miss… ‘Benedict’.
OK, we might have had our little spats but I always enjoyed his informative posts.
Hope it wasn’t me that upset him 🙁

Anyways, in case he ever feels like commenting here again, I thought maybe I should make the effort and learn a few “Chinese phrases”.
Be able to perhaps reach out a little more, and gain a better understanding of the Asain culture….

https://twitter.com/ChannelInteres/status/1649252604512182273
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April 23, 2023 3:37pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You think Benedict is not here?
  
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  April 23, 2023 5:18pm
- H. Upmann
  
  Have you given it a test run yet Maggie?
  I suggest next time you go into Jack Lum’s and ask the price of a cabbage…..:)
  
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  April 23, 2023 5:56pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    😀
    
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    April 23, 2023 7:27pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

You will NOT see this in NZ media.
Remember that Vaccine they took your job for because you refused, or that party you did not get an invite to, or the holiday you had to cancel, or for all the people that complied and got jabbed under coercion and duress?
Well that vaccine is no longer authorised by the FDA.
Someone we all know must have got wind of this, so yet another reason for running away. Remember, Socialists can never say ‘sorry, I made a mistake’

https://finishtherace.com/ella-ford/fda-pulls-authorization-for-original-pfizer-and-moderna-covid-vaccines/
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April 23, 2023 3:52pm
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Did you actually read the report?
  
  The earlier Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have been replaced by their more recent vaccines which are used against multiple variants of Covid. The later vaccines have FDA approval.
  
  It is hardly surprising that Pfizer and Moderna have improved their vaccines over the last two years. Just as they said they would at the time.
  
  In short, not the scandal that you pretend.
  
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  April 23, 2023 4:43pm
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    Yes I agree with Wayne. This withdrawal of emergency use authorisation is simply procedural. It is not an admission by the FDA that the original vaccines are unsafe.
    
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    April 23, 2023 4:51pm
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    Having said that, take up of the new vaccine boosters in New Zealand has been miniscule, since they were opened up to over 30s on 1 April. Less than 2 percent of those eligible in the first 2 weeks. Sure, early days, but it is hard to see take up going above 10 – 15 percent. Most of those are likely to be in the elderly. The 30 – 60 age group are having none of it. 🙂
    
    https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data
    
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    April 23, 2023 4:55pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      the 30 to 60 age group have not taken it because ,,, reasons!
      
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      April 23, 2023 5:22pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Did you rtead the report before you went off half cocked, Wayne?
    Original is the word you may have missed…..
    
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    April 23, 2023 5:20pm
kevn

See Hatchard Report.com for the NZ twist. Of data.
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April 23, 2023 4:27pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUe3t57w-VQ
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April 23, 2023 6:09pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/131847716/state-highway-2-closed-to-clear-slip-on-remutaka-hill-rd
Ever since they changed the name from “Rimutaka” to “Remutaka” the road has gone downhill.
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April 23, 2023 6:10pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  You’d have to hope that at least half of the road goes downhill. Considering.
  
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  April 23, 2023 8:50pm
greybeard

I watched a TV3 news item tonight relaying an Aussie news announcement, about the death of Barry Humphries.
They had Albo & Hipkins on for comments: I reckon Hipkins didn’t have a clue who Barry Humphries was: like asking a pre-schooler about Hitler.
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April 23, 2023 6:17pm
- MCōs
  
  He said ‘Dame Edna is an institution in New Zealand as well’ before he was cut off.
  That’s it!
  You’ve certainly spun that out.
  
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  April 23, 2023 8:29pm
- Ghost
  
  So you are using the death of an icon to try an make a stupid and wrong attack on hipkins. Try watching the clip again because it is you that is clueless
  
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  April 23, 2023 9:00pm
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    Any attack on Hipkins is time well spent.
    
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    April 24, 2023 5:42am
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      Not when the person can’t get their facts straight
      
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