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April 21, 2023 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Mike

Happy Poppy Day!
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April 21, 2023 8:00am
- Cassandra
  
  Not sure “Happy” is appropriate. It’s not a celebration, it’s a commemoration of sacrifice and service. Seeing 50+ dead bodies the day I arrived in Vietnam still flashes back frequently. And the war graves in Crete and Italy.
  
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  April 21, 2023 10:49am
Mike

Why has the police commissioner not resigned?
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April 21, 2023 8:02am
- rouppe
  
  He refutes the basis of the question
  
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  April 21, 2023 10:21am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Curiosity troll, Mike?
  Are you referring to the Parliament Protest report, and trying to inflame for fun?
  
  Serious question Mods.
  
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  April 21, 2023 10:36am
- Ruawai
  
  Because he says he did everything right, in his opinion..
  
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  April 21, 2023 10:40am
- nathie
  
  Because Labour has his back.
  
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  April 21, 2023 12:35pm
- Fishing in the dark
  
  Easy money and no accountability, why would he retire!!!!
  
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  April 21, 2023 12:37pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Not a good look for Labour leading up to the election (according to their propaganda advisers)?
  
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  April 21, 2023 3:29pm
kiwikidsnz

It must be election year…

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300857618/all-of-a-sudden-a-capital-gains-tax-is-back-on-the-political-agenda
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April 21, 2023 8:02am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Any Party that campaigns on a CGT will be doomed to a decade occupying the Opposition benches. Kiwis are not in favour given the numbers that own their own homes baches and rental properties. And then there is Kiwisaver. Those opposed could easily point out the impact of a CGT for a 20/30/40/50 yo on their KS when they retire and it wont be pretty.
  The only way CGT could be implemented is the same way the 1984 Labour Government operated. Dont campaign. Wait until elected and then introduce CGT and hope voters accept it by the time of the next election by selling the up sides.
  
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  April 21, 2023 9:40am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    I Hate to break it to you but
    “The only way CGT could be implemented is the same way the 1984 Labour Government operated. Dont campaign. Wait until elected and then introduce CGT and hope voters accept it by the time of the next election by selling the up sides.”
    
    That’s the way the current Labour Government operated. They campaigned on no changes then did whatever they wanted. Unfortunately, many voters are that stupid.
    
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    April 21, 2023 9:54am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      What like they did co-governance and 3 waters snd Māori health authority
      
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      April 21, 2023 10:30am
    - Burtland
      
      the plan appears to be to chuck the economy in the blender and whizz it up with some neomarxism, add some dis/mis information and pump in some propaganda
      the result – the sheeple disengage, watch Netflix, and you can do what you like
      
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      April 21, 2023 10:31am
    - Piniwi
      
      Yep yep that is what it is Libertarians are right just like Labour and Ho Poo Poo that they managed to keep concealed from the voter and old Winston.
      
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      April 21, 2023 12:22pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Let’s hope that vulgar Parker spouts it off next week. How dear he look in to the 40 richest families to see how wealthy they are ffs, #supporttherichpricks
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:29am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    ‘NZ needs money urgently so that the government can support struggling kiwi families. The ‘rich’ need to pay their share.’.
    
    It is a terrible idea, and worst possible time for CGT, but the government has blown tens of billions on inflationary spending on top of its more BAU and non-productive wasteful spending.
    I expect they will be looking everywhere to try and find coin, and while they raise benefits the obvious place to pull back the $$ is rick pricks (like middle class and above).
    
    I note that our Finance Minister has confirmed the fuel tax relief is ending in June.
    Mo’ money for government, and higher distribution costs on staples like food – along with squeezing budgets for families.
    Only good thing about this, is another punch in the guts from Labour for struggling voters before the election.
    
    I don’t hear any suggestion from Grant around reducing government spending instead.
    So tax & Spend it is.
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:42am
    - Paulus
      
      The quickest and more immediate problem is to get more money out of all the people who are both Taxpayers and net Tax beneficiaries.
      Up GST to 17.5% – eg Denmark pay 25% as an example with very minor exemptions, even a newsapapers and Medical Insurance.
      I once in Copenhagen bought a Banana from a city stall, and when I worked it it was equivalent of NZ$9.
      Umm – but GST in New Zealand is the purist way of equal taxation.
      
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      April 21, 2023 11:20am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Quite possible, but if these swine’s put up GST, they are arrogant enough to make it 20% and not give tax cuts to cover.
        
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        April 21, 2023 2:25pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    You perhaps forget that renters outnumber homeowners. You might own 4 properties and rent 3 but you only have one vote.
    
    Don’t blame those renting, who have been consigned to that fate by the property price inflation that enriched those already on the property ladder when it began.
    
    The same easy-money, Green ringfencing of cities type policies that created “wealth” as if by magic (what a giggle, eh?) at 10% year on year have resulted in so much dislocation in society, hollowed out the middle class and disheartened those trying to get ahead that there will be a backlash.
    
    CGT might be insane, but no more so than the policies that have lead up to it.
    
    Live by the sword, die by the sword.
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:53am
    - Paulus
      
      Please advise from where you get renters outnumber homeowners ?
      Are you sure of thie comment.
      
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      April 21, 2023 11:22am
      - Colville
        
        I believe its wrong.
        Home ownership is circa 60% and I would bet home owners are far more likely to vote than tenants.
        
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        April 21, 2023 12:34pm
      - Close Hen Counters
        
        They may be right Paulus – I heard on the Hosking show some weeks back that only 25% of the population have mortgages …. I know that would exclude those lucky buggers who have worked hard and paid theirs off 🙃
        
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        April 21, 2023 12:58pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        Indeed. In fact the number is around 35% renting, and growing rapidly. Home ownership rates peaked in the 90s. That’s quite a while ago.
        
        And if we take the recent census, across thousands of homes in our largest cities, holding tens of thousands of renters, renting by the room at $400 week, each house holding 10-20 people, I wonder how many of those were accurately counted. And they all vote.
        
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        April 21, 2023 1:10pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    I hate to break it to you but some on the Left were laughing a decade ago when National introduced the Bright Line test on property, knowing that all that would be required in future would be a change in the timeline, a small, simple change getting little or no attention.
    
    Which is exactly what Labour have done since.
    
    Sure, one could still have a fight about a CGT on shares and such, but unlike the Silicon Valley powered world of California our Capital Gains have always been primarily via property.
    
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    April 21, 2023 11:22am
- rouppe
  
  It looked into a very invidious group – 400 of the wealthiest families and individuals in New Zealand
  
  Except when they bring in a cgt, it will extend the captured group from 400 to 400,000 and call it “fairness”
  
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  April 21, 2023 10:25am
  - rouppe
    
    Further to that, I’ve been thinking how it might affect me, being nearly 61.
    
    All through my life, I have listened to the call to “prepare for your retirement” by saving and investing. Some houses, yes. Two. But also kiwisaver, workplace savings schemes and share funds.
    
    I’ve funded those from tax paid earnings.
    
    My plan was to have everything in liquid share funds by the time I retire. Then, over the subsequent years, gradually withdraw money from that investment, and spend it on living expenses. Those withdrawals should be tax free, as it’s no different to withdrawing money from your savings account for living expenses.
    
    Sure, I expect the dividend income from those share funds to be taxed, just like the interest earned on the savings account, but not my withdrawing from it to fund living expenses.
    
    If Parker switches things up and puts on a CGT with a switch off lower tax rates, then just as I retire, there will be lower tax on working, but which I’m not doing anymore, and higher tax on living off savings in retirement, which I’m just starting.
    
    In effect, I’ll be double taxed.
    
    What a prick!
    
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    April 21, 2023 12:58pm
Cassandra

3 Waters, rightly, dominates the news and will, surely, be the centre of the election campaign. If Labour wins co-governance and Mana Te Wai type powers for Maori tribes will be on steroids. If its National will Luxon and his woke team actually draw a line? Or will National simply revert to all talk and no action?
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April 21, 2023 8:04am
- pdm
  
  Party Vote ACT to ensure they get 15/20 MP’s.
  
  The new Government will then have a spine.
  
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  April 21, 2023 9:32am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yep weaken Nats so if Peters gets 5% he will be left to go with Labour and that will be great wouldn’t it? Grrr
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:33am
    - plc
      
      That doesn’t make sense…..
      
      Voting ACT at the expense of National is independent of NZF getting 5%.
      
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      April 21, 2023 11:34am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Voting ACT weakens Nats, if NZF gets 5%, and Labour Greens and MP get 45% between them with Nats at say 26% he would be left with no alternative but to carry on the vulgar left wing regime he began, if you think that makes no sense then we are in real trouble, because its very clear what it means
        
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        April 21, 2023 2:28pm
  - peterwn
    
    If ACT is seen to be potentially too dominant this will frighten off some of the ‘centre’ punters. ACT has to be very careful with this.
    
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    April 21, 2023 2:04pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They have bill boards up all over the country saying it will be gone, thankfully it has been delayed till after the election, so it can be bogged down in law
  
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  April 21, 2023 10:31am
- Kurious Kiwi
  
  By focussing on 3 waters the public are missing the real threat.
  
  Once Maori gain control of water they can control energy. 70% of electricity is hydro so this can be controlled and taxed through Te Mana O te Wai statements.
  
  This is checkmate. Full control of water and energy handed to a 15% minority.
  
  NZ voters need to wake up before it is too late.
  
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  April 21, 2023 10:30pm
Scott

Fox pays out $1B to Dominion voting machines.
But was the 2020 election really on the level?

On a macro level I find it impossible to believe that Joe Biden, who barely campaigned, could get 81 million votes.

What about Dominion Voting machines? Patrick Byrne in his book “The Deep Rig”, page 31, has a chart that shows in Arizona on election day at 8:06 PM +40 seconds, Joe Biden received an injection of 143,100 votes. This spike is an anomaly and then we have a natural progression for the next seven days till November 10. Biden “wins” by 10,000 votes.
What is the cause of the spike?

The spike also happens in Michigan. Trump wins on election night. Polling locations in Detroit shut down at 2am. A Dominion executive shows up at a Detroit polling station after midnight. Trump’s election night lead disappears at 6.31am when Biden gets an injection of 54,199 votes. (Byrne page 26)

On the wider front how was it that six states stopped counting on election night? They are not supposed to stop counting, this is unheard of. They are supposed to keep counting until the job is done.
How was it that on the evening of election night Donald Trump was ahead in all six states. Then the counting stopped.
Then in the morning, supposedly at a time when the counting had stopped, we find that Joe Biden had received an injection of votes and suddenly he was ahead? Like in Arizona & Michigan. How do you explain that?

Given the absolutely frenzied determination of the Democrats and the media to get rid of Donald Trump isn’t it possible that they rigged the election? You know that they would do it if they could? But did they do it?

If they didn’t rig the election why did six states stop counting? And where did this injection of votes come from? These questions have not been answered.
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April 21, 2023 8:04am
- Nickc2
  
  Whilst I agree with your author’s assertions, it’s easy to make such assertions, but without hard evidence, the legal system in the US isn’t going to find in Fox’s favour.
  
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  April 21, 2023 9:33am
- slightlyrighty
  
  How was it that we have, ON TAPE, Trump asking election officials in one state to ‘find’ 11000 votes.
  
  How is it that in every court case, the Trump lawyers have failed to produce this pesky little thing called “EVIDENCE”
  
  The first step in claiming election fraud is to sow doubt on the veracity of the election result. When Trump campaigns and says that he will accept the election result, but only if he wins, he is sowing the seeds of discord.
  
  We had crazy scenes on election night with Trump Supporters outside some counting centres in Michigan chanting “Stop the Count”, while in Arizona, they were shouting “Count the Votes”.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krur4xLPxD4.
  
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  April 21, 2023 9:45am
  - dcrane
    
    Did you read the full transcript of that call? Trump didn’t say anything he wasn’t already saying in public.
    He said there was evidence of far more than enough dodgy ballots to change the outcome, but that only enough needed to be proven to justify holding back certification.
    Nothing wrong with that.
    The 2020 GA election was extremely dodgy. As bad as AZ.
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:27am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Scott,
  
  It is pretty easy to understand how Biden beat Trump. In essence there are only two serious candidates in US presidential elections. Voters who didn’t want Trump had to choose Biden. Which is what they did.
  
  2020 was a Democrat year. They won the House of Representatives as well as the Presidency.
  
  There is no real doubt that Biden won. He got substantially more votes than Trump, and of course won the Electoral College. All the electoral fraud conspiracies have well and truly been debunked.
  
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  April 21, 2023 9:48am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Ballot Harvesting has not been debunked. It is a legitimate issue and its exploited massively.
    What do you think Zuckerbergs $400 million was paying for?
    
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    April 21, 2023 9:53am
  - Mummy
    
    A bit like our 2020 election. Farmers had to vote Labour to keep the Greens out.
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:14am
    - Dougal10
      
      Farmers wife’s may have voted the jacinda party because of collins but most of the blokes would have voted act hence why they are ahead of the greens now from an almost 1 man band
      
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      April 21, 2023 7:35pm
  - dcrane
    
    No significance in the govt-driven censorship of Biden scandal news that could easily have tipped the balance?
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    81 million votes my left tit.
    Biden’s rallies could not fill a school classroom.
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:38am
- Ian Boag
  
  These questions have not been answered.
  
  and KB is of course the place where the answers will come from ….. 🙂
  
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  April 21, 2023 10:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Scott,
  The votes in some States and Counties were f̲l̲i̲p̲p̲e̲d̲.
  
  I have posted this webpage in the last few days. It shows that even an computer idiot like me could do this with a USB flashdrive. Video 11 minutes.
  
  https://roccistuccishow.com/cybersecurity-expert-confirms-sql-software-on-voting-machines-and-manipulation-of-votes-on-dominion-machines/
  
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  April 21, 2023 10:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Head over to RUMBLE and put this in:
    MANIPULATION OF VOTES ON DOMINION MACHINES
    
    There are many videos
    
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    April 21, 2023 11:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump lost his Twitter Account because his Tweets got to his audience directly.
    The Media could not [deleted] with his comments
    
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    April 21, 2023 11:09am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The Media politely played around with his comments.
      
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      April 22, 2023 7:58am
  - RichardX
    
    Did you miss this update Steve?
    
    https://www.reuters.com/legal/trump-ally-lindell-ordered-pay-5-mln-man-who-disproved-voter-fraud-claims-2023-04-20/
    
    Not looking good for Lindell’s defamation case either.
    
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    April 21, 2023 5:54pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That arbitration panel has as much credibility as the Jan 6th insurrection committee
      
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      April 22, 2023 8:03am
- plc
  
  Those Dominion voting machines sound a bit “colonial”
  
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  April 21, 2023 11:35am
- Che Guava
  
  The Dominion thing is a bit of a red herring. The goal is to package the entire issue into one thing (i.e. “Dominion did it”) and then refute that.
  
  The most significant facts relate to the opportunity to commit fraud (clearly a well-demonstrated motive existed), most specifically the more than 100% increase in postal ballots as compared to the 2016 election (a completely unprecedented percentage of about 75% of total ballots cast), as well as the very peculiar fact (still completely unexplained) that the only issues encountered were confined to only a handful of large counties in the 7 key swing states and, as far as I’m aware, no such issues occurred in any of the 43 other non-swing states.
  
  When half the population questions an election outcome, then surely a ballot-by-ballot audit is the least that can be done to assuage concerns. This never happened and was completely ruled-out. Why? I think we know why.
  
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  April 21, 2023 12:35pm
  - Scott
    
    Che, not disagreeing with you on the postal ballots.
    I would suggest both the Dominion voting systems and postal ballots were in play to swing the election to Biden.
    
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    April 21, 2023 4:49pm
    - Mike
      
      I’m really looking forward to your explanation of why Fox paid hundreds of millions of dollars to settle the defamation suit from Dominion.
      
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      April 21, 2023 4:59pm
Grunter

A few days ago, National MP Joseph Mooney tweeted that the Treaty of Waitangi guaranteed tino rangatiratanga (self-determination, sovereignty, independence, autonomy) to all the people of New Zealand. He even quoted Professor Hugh Kawharu’s translation of the Māori version of the Treaty which is published on the Waitangi Tribunal’s website.

That seems like a very pragmatic tweet and totally consistent with how most of us would describe NZ society.

But Luxon smashed him “I think Joseph got it wrong on this occasion”. And demanded that he take down his tweet.

FFS!! Got what wrong, Christopher? What part of what Joseph Mooney tweeted was wrong?

Is ACT now the only party that is not racist?
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April 21, 2023 8:04am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Looking more and more like it every day. ACT and NZF are the only ones who seem to be opposing this dangerous creeping racism in NZ.
  
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  April 21, 2023 9:38am
  - Lance
    
    Please do not hold up NZF to us as a shining example of straight thinking.
    
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    April 21, 2023 9:50am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Lance – I’m not “holding” anything up, simply stating facts re who is speaking out about the racism coming to us like a runaway freight train.
      
      National and their supporters apparently don’t like facts. That’s why the party is struggling for parity with the worst government in NZ history.
      
      If I said something that was incorrect then let me know what it was and why. Don’t presume my intention.
      
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      April 21, 2023 10:38am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Wake up, if Nats start spouting racist this racist that, how do you think that will go with the bulk of the country? Don’t think everybody thinks like the people on this site because they don’t
        
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        April 21, 2023 10:40am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        G – you’re just proving my point. National can’t speak the truth for fear of offending someone. That’s the shocking level we’ve reached in this country.
        
        That’s Ardern’s fault, it is without doubt, she caused the shredding of the social fabric of this country and it’s why the place is currently so divided.
        IT is my belief that National are making a strategic error by not opposing this vehemently and enabling it to carry on. Specifically the refusal to admit mistakes during covid and apparent support for this racial movement which will cause even more division.
        Obviously I’m not a political strategist, I am voicing my opinion which is what ‘General Debate’ is all about I believe?
        
        I’ll be first to write an apology on this forum if National are doing this to get into power and surprise me by addressing these issues once there. But at this point in time, I feel quite deflated about the whole situation.
        
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        April 21, 2023 11:07am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Ffs, Peters created this mess, he hates Seymour do eould dhit on the right again, that bastard was going to get rid of Māori seats, he can’t be trusted, and a weakened Nat bite leaves him no option but to go with the worst government in history, because Peters will not want any of Seymour
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:38am
  - Liberty
    
    Luxon needs to stop worrying about upsetting nancy woks, who will never ever vote for National.
    The current government, along with its green lickspittles, are a dead man walking.
    It is going to be a Nat/Act Government government. The last thing it needs
    Is some single issue has-been.
    
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    April 21, 2023 11:33am
    - peterwn
      
      Your optimism is not shared by the National leadership or many others. In simple terms a Labour led coalition has roughly a 50% chance of winning the election.
      
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      April 21, 2023 2:11pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      They need to win the women vote back, and they were starting to win them back until Hipkins slowed the win, he is starting to drop, and women will still be watching for ridiculous claims to change back to the left
      
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      April 21, 2023 2:31pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  No Luxon did not smash him at all, he cooled it off, he wants to win some Māori votes, Mooney also said this, also states it makes NZers equal, that is not what Rino Tanga means
  
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  April 21, 2023 10:36am
  - plc
    
    Do you believe what Mooney said was racist?
    
    Because that’s what you said in a reply to Clan McLeod.
    
    And if so, that is very enlightening if it reflects mainstream National Party viewpoint.
    
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    April 21, 2023 11:39am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      plc – I doubt any of them “believe what Mooney said was “racist” because it wasn’t. They are just too frightened to speak the truth. It’s madness.
      
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      April 21, 2023 12:53pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I never said what Mooney said was racist either, you said time that started calling this racist shit out, when i stated if they started with racist this and racist that then it will put many voters off
        
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        April 21, 2023 2:34pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      No , but he stated its time for Nats to call out this racist shit, Mooney was right on most of what he said, but Rino Tanga is not equality, other parts are
      
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      April 21, 2023 2:33pm
Matt Long

Senior National party figures circle to protect former Labour prime minister Jacinda Ardern from scurrilous attacks by deplorable former National candidate.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131819941/poem-shared-by-national-candidate-disgusting-disrespectful-to-ardern-mps-say
They’re still the party of mandates, no doubt relieved that yesterday’s whitewash of the police action against the parliamentary protest justified their own despicable characterisation of the protesters.
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April 21, 2023 8:05am
- Matt Long
  
  For nostalgia sake, here’s Chris and Jacinda at the protests, one last time.
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyhrYis509A
  
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  April 21, 2023 8:13am
- Simon
  
  Greens Co-Leader James Shaw compares Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler on Back Benches
  
  Trump most dangerous since Hitler
  
  https://www-fusion.nzherald.co.nz/nz/watch-trump-most-dangerous-since-hitler/XAGWPPKZFHOAK2MQHZPYL2R3YI/?c_id=1501138&gal_cid=1501138&gallery_id=176162
  
  From 2017. problem of course is many in National would have agreed with Shaw.
  
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  April 21, 2023 8:30am
  - Matt Long
    
    Not only is comparing politicians like Seymour with Hitler common from the leftists but how does putting off colour jokes on social media compare to open and barely hidden illegal drug use by current members of Parliament and past prime ministers?
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:03am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    For a hilarious mental meltdown, simply ask “how?”.
    
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    April 21, 2023 3:03pm
- Dougal10
  
  I have always thought Willis and Stanford are in the wrong party and their stance on this proves it .
  
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  April 21, 2023 8:37am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Well a politician is not supposed to come across so rude, apparently going by work he is a nasty oaf, he sits at his Hill End farm spitting hatred at people, how the hell will that go down
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:42am
    - Dougal10
      
      He shared stuff on facebook which isn’t the real world . What does ; going by work he is a nasty oaf , mean? . You are starting to sound like the alter ego of a sitting nat mp or someone high up in “national party work”
      
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      April 21, 2023 12:24pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I work in the wool industry, his Hill En farm is not far from here, i have heard 3 farmers in work the last month say he is a nasty oaf, farmers do not usually mince words
        
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        April 21, 2023 2:36pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  Ardern and her regime were and are indefensible.
  
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  April 21, 2023 9:10am
- Matt Long
  
  More than an hour later and no trolls asking why I don’t just vote for Labour then, have we stepped into an alternate universe?
  
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  April 21, 2023 9:18am
- lastmanstanding
  
  IMHO animals are treated better than children particularly Maori children in this country. Mistreated animals are taken from their owners and rehomed and their owners punished and prevented by law from having more animals.
  Not so children. Abused children are either left with their abusers or handed to other abusers in the same family.
  I say politicians and Government officials expecially Maori politicians and officials lack the capacity capability and most important the will to address the problem. Instead they are bound up in virtue signalling and woke retoric with no interest at all in protecting the abused children.
  If they were the stats would not be as they are.
  Their excuse is events that ocurred 200 years ago. If it wasnt so callous and devious it would be funny. But its not and neither are they.
  I call them out. They are a disgrace to humanity.
  
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  April 21, 2023 9:19am
  - I remember when
    
    lastmanstanding:
    The starting point for the disfunction in the treatment of children is surely the gangs.
    They have now killed something approaching 100 of their enemy during their existence with many more seriously wounded.
    What are the odds that they will treat their children as parents should.
    If you intimidate everyone else, why would you behave differently when you are at home.
    
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    April 21, 2023 9:59am
  - Dougal10
    
    And no one talks about the abuse of children by not giving them boundary’s and life skills so they can attend school without spending most of their time sitting outside the principals office or suspended.
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:29am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Matt Long – it’s clear that nobody in the current parliament is ever going to give a voice to the marginalised and disenfranchised who correctly, opposed the horrific covid policies of the last 3 years.
  
  I finally got a response from the Greens re their position on the experimental jabs. They still claim they are perfectly safe and effective and they still claim the breach of human rights and the vilification and abuse of those opposed to this was justified.
  
  That was good to receive, they had very little chance of getting a vote from me, but that means I can now wipe them from the radar for the rest of my life.
  There is not one MP who speaks for the many hundreds of thousands of NZers who were negatively impacted by the actions of the government. This includes both the jabbed and the unjabbed. Almost everyone has been negatively impacted in some way.
  
  The door is open for Peters or someone else to speak for this group. If he is the only voice to speak up, I believe he will get over 5%.
  
  I will be giving one of my votes to whoever stands up for the 30% of people who supported the protesters at parliament.
  
  I don’t care if it is the McGillicuddy Serious Party. I don’t care if my one vote is enough to let Labour back in. I know voting shouldn’t be single issue, but this is more than an “issue”. This was the greatest abuse by a government in NZ history and none of our so called representatives are prepared to acknowledge this, let alone speak on behalf of all of those damaged by this abuse.
  
  Unbelievable.
  
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  April 21, 2023 9:28am
  - leoj
    
    Well said and I am with you.
    
    Yes, Labour has stuffed the country but under National it will still be stuffed, just slightly slower.
    
    Luxon is an embarrassment to conservativism.
    
    Willis is in the wrong party too.
    
    Nats have become a shivering shadow.
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:03am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      You don’t know how he will go unless he gets a chance, he has ruled out everything that is bullshit from this government, but hey help get Labour back in then
      
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      April 21, 2023 10:45am
      - plc
        
        I don’t need to experience prison rape to know I wouldn’t like it.
        
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        April 21, 2023 11:40am
      - Che Guava
        
        Being in opposition is the time when politicians can be a bit more uninhibited and test the boundaries a bit more freely, without the need to back up or implement any of their rhetoric. On this principle, from what we’ve seen and heard from Luxon in opposition, he would likely be even weaker when it came to governing.
        
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        April 21, 2023 1:37pm
  - I remember when
    
    I understand that 3000 teachers finished because of the ‘jab’ mandate.
    We are now talking about 320 new teachers to reduce class size by one.
    They got rid of enough to get it to 30 instead of 38.
    
    Now for the medical staff!
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:03am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yet Peters is fully vaxed and supported Labour all the way till the election
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:44am
  - rockape
    
    Do you support the right of the pro public transport lot to block roads and disrupt traffic? I hope so otherwise you would be a bit twofaced. What about Greenpeace disrupting oil support vessels and animal rights people invading farms. All protests or do we just support the rights of protestors we agree with?
    
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    April 21, 2023 11:14am
    - Matt Long
      
      That’s a fair question, for example the tractor convoys by groundswell that slow traffic, should that be allowed, ticker tape parades? The climate change wombles however aim to stop people driving rather than traffic disruption being a unfortunate consequence of the protest.
      Regarding the freedom protests, as an alternative the craven politicians in Wellington could have met with the protesters and heard their concerns, which likely would have diffused the situation.
      
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      April 21, 2023 2:03pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        That is not true, the tractors did not slow anyone, they were slower on the road but it was the motorway and you could get passed them, tractors are legal on the road, so do you think the idiots gluing them self to the roads are?
        
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        April 21, 2023 2:39pm
      - Matt Long
        
        That’s the point I was making. Various parades disrupt traffic as a side effect but the climate notjobs are out to make themselves a criminal nuisance.
        
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        April 21, 2023 3:36pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Yes, we must preserve and beatify Ardern’s legacy of kindness. After all, she would never for example call the Leader of another party “an arrogant prick” and in the incredibly unlikely event she ever did say that, it would never be in public, on a microphone, in a place where every word is recorded for ever.
  
  I mean, someone like her would never be that nasty or stupid, right? Right??
  
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  April 21, 2023 10:36am
- Liberty
  
  The Puritan wok media are once again full of hysterics
  Over a National candidate indiscretion.
  The reality is our Dear failed leader was in the same camp as the despots of the world. The country was a prison. You couldn’t enter or leave unless you were one of the more equals.
  The North Koreans only had to swim a river. Try swimming the Tasman sea.
  Thousand had their employment terminated for refusing
  their insidious drug. Thousands more kept their job under duress.
  The only reason the peasants weren’t confined to gulags was that after spending millions on consultants. Her ministers were so totally inept. They couldn’t build a house.
  Let alone a Gulug. OHS just wet themselves over the dubious plan of moving the team of 5 million by cattle trucks on light rail.
  It was all done for the public good. By a kind, caring labour government.
  
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  April 21, 2023 10:45am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    So you are happy for him to say he likes his woman 19 and easy to spread? Do you have a daughter? How do you think the woman vote would go if he stayed? And he stated he didn’t want to be part of politics when the media started, but you know Luxon sacked him
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:50am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      How do you think the woman vote would go if he stayed?
      
      The “woman vote” actually increased for Jacinda, despite her being on record praising singer Tom Scott, even in the wake of his singing about raping Key’s daughter.
      
      Maybe you, Luxon and National don’t actually understand the “women vote” at all, hence all the pandering and worry-lines about the optics.
      
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      April 21, 2023 11:32am
      - Che Guava
        
        Women generally don’t respect weak men at all, despite how much they claim that strong men are “toxic” or some other such nonsense. Be a man, and women will vote for you.
        
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        April 21, 2023 1:44pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        All votes increased for the witch, and that was purely down to covid, why i do not know, but go and look at the polls when in Feb Bridges was asking the useless Ardern to get back home from her 10 week holiday and prepare the country for the pandemic, her arrogant response was what pandemic, another month went by and she was then the expert of lies, and the votes of women no longer looked at Tom Scot
        
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        April 21, 2023 2:42pm
    - Liberty
      
      It’s the selective morality of the left I find so objectionable. For example, the comments by the Minister of Transport calling anti vac
      “A river of filth”. Totally unacceptable. If we had a real leader at the time
      He would have been gone by lunchtime.
      Where was our righteous media at the time? Hiding under rock counting
      The spoils that it sucked off the media slush fund.
      
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      April 21, 2023 12:12pm
Matt Long

Luxon stamps on National’s Treaty Issues spokesman for daring suggest 5he treaty gives New Zealanders equality under the law.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/131798518/national-party-mp-under-fire-for-treaty-comments?dicbo=v2-A9c7hYl
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April 21, 2023 8:08am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Equality does not mean Rino Tanga, do some homework, if you hate the Nats go vote Labour, you are probably one of the fools that voted Labour last time to keep the greens out, how did that work?
  
  Another thing, Luxon said he had full confidence in Mooney, and this is yet another media beat up, Mooney is a very skilled operator, this hitjob is coming from the vulgar Labour party and their paid for media, just watch the arrogant Hipkins say to media while smirking that there is a million reasons not to vote for Nat’s, but never named one, yet he doesn’t know what a woman is, and he is the laughing stock of the political world.
  
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  April 21, 2023 8:13am
  - Matt Long
    
    Bingo, I was waiting for the why don’t you vote Labour then troll.
    
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    April 21, 2023 9:56am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      [Deleted – quit your obscenity spittled posts please. mod.]
      
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      April 21, 2023 10:51am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      You’d think folk like “G” would be quite happy watching their votes sail off to ACT, since that leaves even more room to go after the soft-Labour vote.
      
      Perhaps the real anger/worry with National supporters is that strategy not working so far, at least according to the polls.
      
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      April 21, 2023 11:34am
- CPB
  
  Luxon has lost my vote at this point. As far as I can tell, the only thing he stands for is whatever the press gallery tell him to. He has gone down the rabbit hole of believing the media reflect the wider public and he spends each day desperately trying to appease them. What a waste
  
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  April 21, 2023 8:14am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    So you have not heard his policies rolling out? That’s media talk is it? And it’s totally opposed to this idiot regime
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:52am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Dude. People stopped paying attention to “policies” about forty years ago when the Fourth Labour government demonstrated beyond all doubt that they meant nothing.
      
      This sixth Labour government simply reinforced that with their 2017 and 2020 election “policies”.
      
      Just make sure the numbers add up and then focus on policy reduced to emotive soundbites, and repeat endlessly.
      
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      April 21, 2023 11:37am
      - Che Guava
        
        100%. People aren’t excited by policies, but by grand visions. This was the appeal of the MAGA “Americanism, not Globalism” credo, notwithstanding its insufficient implementation when in office (which was more down to poor staff selection and bureaucratic resistance than to policy).
        
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        April 21, 2023 1:48pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        What, people are saying they will look at Nats when they start delivering policy, they have started delivering, and have a large lot of policy to release, most of which will come after the black budget, for instance, education , they release that policy the other day, thats one part of a 4 part platform
        
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        April 21, 2023 2:46pm
    - RoboRob
      
      I have heard the policies but I am unsure of where Luxon, the man, stands on the basics. What are his beliefs?
      
      I know your are big National man G, all power to you, but as a National voter I am struggling to see that Luxon actually believes in the things I would consider right wing or conservative.
      
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      April 21, 2023 11:54am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I have told you lot before, i was a 20 year Labour voter, i woke up one day and said thats it, and voted for exactly what they did not want me to do, until this day, its still Nats that Labour hate, so excuse me for saying mind ya own business, on the what does he stand for part, he has vowed to get rid of Co governance in services, get rid of the maori health authority, 3 waters, he has vowed to cut the added taxes we have received off these villains, there are several other things, but you dont know what he stands for
        
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        April 21, 2023 2:50pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    I wonder why the Nats don’t ask TV1, newshub and the herald to provide a suitable shortlist of candidates. It would save Luxon some embarrassing publicity and backtracking.
    
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    April 21, 2023 11:15am
- Souvlaki
  
  Nats…lost cause!
  Vote ACT!
  
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  April 21, 2023 8:17am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    F….Act, they have gone to ground
    
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    April 21, 2023 8:18am
    - kowtow
      
      F….you.
      
      See pdm below.
      
      Seymour touring the country during the recess , woking hard , and doing a good job of it.
      
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      April 21, 2023 9:34am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        So you are saying he can’t have a press conference while touring, he can’t do f all FB posts, Luxon is away from home snd Wellington at least 3 days a week, but that’s different he has to make statements, get off the grass, doing a tour has no baring on the clear silence I have seen
        
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        April 21, 2023 10:55am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      If you continue to want to be spoon fed your political information, that’s up to you.
      
      Personally speaking, I try to engage and there’s a lot of info if you know where to look. You certainly can’t rely on our MSM to let you know what ACT is talking about.
      
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      April 21, 2023 9:52am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        So Nats don’t make an announcement or a call, with the same media, he is weak and gutless, ACT disappear and that’s different, I have to go looking? I do go looking, and their FB page appears to even dried up, I don’t need spoon fed anything, but you anti Bat Act voters expect Luxon to do so, wake the f… up
        
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        April 21, 2023 10:57am
    - Dougal10
      
      Just because you have finally discovered national , don’t get upset with those of us who have moved on from national , because they have become a party that a twenty year labour voter now supports and one that former labour party member wayne mapp has been an mp for
      
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      April 21, 2023 8:00pm
  - pdm
    
    ACT meeting at Havelock North last evening was excellent – apparently over 300 there, definitely standing room only for those who did not get there reasonably early.
    
    Good information imparted by Simon Court and David Seymour answered all questions without hesitation and with clear easily understood information.
    
    No personality politics or nastiness at all.
    
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    April 21, 2023 8:31am
    - Widogast Corwin
      
      The reason David Seymour never uses word salad waffle is that he believes what he is saying.
      
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      April 21, 2023 8:43am
      - Rich Prick
        
        When a person has principles, waffle is unnecessary.
        
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        April 21, 2023 9:39am
      - Piniwi
        
        And Widogast Corwin all his own work rather than provided by some anonymous spin doctor. Expect it is the same message at all venues but not just a repeat as he can read a room well.
        
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        April 21, 2023 10:38am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I have listened to several of Luxons speeches, i can happily say i have never heard word soup waffle , it is a lie to say he does
        
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        April 21, 2023 2:53pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      That may we be right, but Nats have been having these meetings every week, and have huge crowds also, but if Luxon does not speak then he is slated by you same people who are making excuses for Seymour yo appear absent at present
      
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      April 21, 2023 10:58am
    - Gravelroad
      
      @pdm-
      And again, people fretting on social media that there were too many old white people in attendance.
      Ageism and racism won’t cancel older white people.
      
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      April 21, 2023 12:46pm
- Widogast Corwin
  
  This is why I think that National will narrowly lose the election. With the state of the nation and the government, the National Party should be running rampant.
  
  The erosion of democracy should be simple to campaign on. David Seymour gets it.
  
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  April 21, 2023 8:22am
  - kowtow
    
    I don’t agree with a number of things that Seymour stands for but the best bet for anyone concerned about our democracy and our long standing constitutional arrangements is a party vote for Act , if only to give some backbone to Luxon’s wet wing of the Nat party .
    
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    April 21, 2023 8:31am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      She’s a hard road finding the perfect political party, to paraphrase a Speight’s ad.
      
      You’re invariably rational and considered in your posts, so I’m keen to understand some of the things Seymour stands for that you disagree with, if you’re happy to share.
      
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      April 21, 2023 10:40am
      - kowtow
        
        Euthanasia .
        
        He was enthusiastically supportive of overt Covid controls , with his own digital twist.
        
        He buys “climate change” ( albeit in a more moderate way than most)
        
        And I know there’s no such thing as perfection , the best one can hope for , is the best of a bad lot.
        
        Perhaps a shorter answer is I’m not actually a libertarian , I’m a social and fiscal conservative voter with no real home.
        
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        April 21, 2023 12:17pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @kowtow – cheers.
        
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        April 21, 2023 3:30pm
  - pdm
    
    I am not sure Luxon is able to do rampant WC.
    
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    April 21, 2023 8:33am
    - Widogast Corwin
      
      Yes well thanks a bunch Chris Luxon. If he loses election, he will parachute into a highly paid corporate role. The rest of us will live in an ethno nationalist autocratic nightmare with $15 pumpkins and our personal emissions budgets.
      
      If National loses the election maybe they will wake up. They can’t win just by being less wasteful socialists.
      
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      April 21, 2023 8:41am
      - Diogenes
        
        Widogast: If you are paying $15 for a pumpkin, give me a call (or go shop at a roadside stall). My pumpkin harvest this year was a bit on the small side, thanks to the wrong kind of weather. But I can still spare you a complementary one.
        
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        April 21, 2023 10:49am
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        I’m not paying 15 dollars for a pumpkin.
        
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        April 22, 2023 12:27am
  - Simon
    
    https://twitter.com/MarkHubbard33 thinks Labo will introduce a tax free low income band. Big tax policy release next week apparently.
    
    The Iwi capos are gunning hard for a Labo win in October. Tax free low income band will push Labo ahead. Luxon with that stupid grin going about how great climate change NZ farmers are all the while Labo release election winning policy as they set about openly destroy NZ.
    
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    April 21, 2023 8:39am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      But Labour have told us there is no time for tax cuts, threshold changes are going exactly what a cut up low taxed, Nats know a tax statement is coming, I think Nats may well start the week with a policy before Parker speaks on Tuesday, Parker is looking at what the top 40 richest families earn, how that means he can decide that means tax cuts for the poor is just nuts, CGT is back, so is death dirty and and envy tax, remember 75% of people in polls were opposed to CGT and all these other taxes will make the anger worse
      
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      April 21, 2023 11:05am
      - Simon
        
        Tax cuts are only evil if National propose them. Thats why that clown Luxon only promised some chicken shit inflation adjustment not a real tax cut. Luxon the timid fool believed the left when they said tax cuts are evil.
        
        If Labo introduce a low income tax free band the Labo party has out played Luxon / National yet again. You better hope Labo dont introduce (the science has changed) tax cuts. With bright line there is already CGT. (bright line of course introduced by useless National)
        
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        April 21, 2023 11:54am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Simon 11.54AM
        
        No that is not what Luxon has said at all, he said the bare minimum is indexation of brackets (that happened annually when i first started work) he also started they will cut as much as they possibly can, but that depends on the damage from Robertson
        
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        April 21, 2023 2:56pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I think Luxon and co look back at the success of Ardern who ran policy based on focus groups and perceived public opinion. Of course, she basically controlled public opinion via a massive spend of taxpayer money on them, directly and via advertising dollars.
    I think Luxon believes this is a winning strategy. I think what he doesn’t realise, is that a substantial number of people in NZ are now totally aware of this. That the media are bought and paid for propagandists and we do not trust a single thing they say.
    Luxon hasn’t read the room, and in an environment in which they should be leading Labour by at least 10 points in the polls, they are struggling to maintain parity. If they fail to win the election, which it looks more and more possible every time he speaks out – this will go down as one of the worst election failures in NZ history against the absolute worst government in NZ history.
    What an addition to your résumé Christopher.
    
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    April 21, 2023 9:47am
  - cmm
    
    You need to remember that NZ politics is like professional wrestling. The person that wins the fight is pre-selected.
    
    National are throwing this election.
    
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    April 21, 2023 9:50am
  - gravedodger
    
    Great in pure theory Widogast, now could you possibly suggest how Luxon and his MPs overcome the almost total biassed Media who will never risk their government teat.
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:40am
    - RoboRob
      
      I’m over the excuse that the biased media is stopping Nationals message getting out.
      
      It hasn’t stopped Winston or Seymour getting their message out. If Luxon and his crew took a stand against some of the excepted ideology we might find they get a lot more media coverage. it might be negative but it would get their message out.
      
      At the moment I am not sure what Luxon thinks. On one side co governance is bad then on the other side he accepts the treaty gives Maori additional governance rights. Which f#@king one is it! I am beginning to think perhaps he really is in favour of co governance and is just giving 3 waters lip service.
      
      Angry Rob
      
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      April 21, 2023 11:12am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    So what has Seymour offered to stop our democracy being stolen? Don’t say a referendum on the counties name, because Luxon said last week he will be happy to have that referendum and will like to see the nsme New Zealand retained
    
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    April 21, 2023 11:00am
    - RoboRob
      
      Seymour is offering clarity. I don’t agree with all his positions but at least I know what he believes. I’m happy to vote for someone with beliefs I identify with. I have proceeded on the assumption National thought the same way as me but they were being politically cautious.
      
      For this reason I haven’t been on the Luxon attack but his handing of co governance has pushed me over the edge.
      Tell me is he for or against co governance? On one side he clearly states one vote / no to co governance. Then yesterday comes out and says he believes the treaty gives Maori a governance role. These are exclusive positions, either Maori are entitled to extra rights as citizens or they are not. I have no idea where Luxon stands on this. I know where his treaty minister stands but I also know that Luxon thinks that minister (who I agree with) is wrong.
      
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      April 21, 2023 11:45am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Well its very clear to me there will be no co-governance in services means he is against co governance, don’t bring up this shit about a river given an identity or any of that crap, now what clarity does Seymour offer on democracy?
        
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        April 21, 2023 2:58pm
- RoboRob
  
  This is the issue with National. They don’t seem capable of standing up for their beliefs.
  
  “However, I don’t think it is helpful to start a debate on constitutional arrangements on Twitter and I don’t think he’s got it right on this occasion,” Luxon said.
  
  Actually Luxon, now is the time to have a discussion about the constitutional rights of the treaty. Your damn party is saying 3 waters needs to go, in part because co governance. Either the treaty does say we have to have co governance or it doesn’t. Lets have that discussion and put an end to it.
  
  He could have said. Yes we don’t believe the Treaty gives Maori additional governance rights. One vote for all NZers. How f@#king hard is that. Obviously too hard for National. Winston and Seymour will tell you that but National are too timid.
  
  What a f#$king bunch of blouses.
  
  Yes I am pissed off.
  
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  April 21, 2023 9:09am
Maggie Pie

“Is that a baton down your trousers, or are you just glad to see me?”

Watch interview with Sergeant RHONA STACE….
our first openly Trans-Police-Officer.

https://twitter.com/Wildnfree1984/status/1648835335940608000
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April 21, 2023 8:09am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Huh
  
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  April 21, 2023 8:13am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  So will this “trans woman” be allowed to conduct intimate body searches of women?
  
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  April 21, 2023 8:34am
  - Dougal10
    
    Or Men
    
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    April 21, 2023 8:44am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I wouldn’t be game enough to argue with her 🙁
    
    https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2018/03/becoming-rhona/
    
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    April 21, 2023 8:48am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Don’t you mean him?
      
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      April 21, 2023 9:06am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Did you not read what he went thru with his Vaginoplasty?
        
        Fully deserves to be called a ‘woman’ ….I reckon.
        
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        April 21, 2023 9:12am
      - kowtow
        
        Yesterday across nearly all media they described the wanted dangerous on the run pensioner Bronwyn Warwick as ‘she’ . Not once as a “transwoman”.
        
        Te Media Pardy ; normalising whacko.
        
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        April 21, 2023 9:27am
      - Taieri
        
        Fully deserves to be called a ‘woman’ ….I reckon
        —————
        
        “I know I’ll never be a woman. There is currently no-one who can wave a magic wand and take away [my] having been a male for the majority of my life.
        RHONA”
        
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        April 21, 2023 1:28pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      A fully functional front bottom MP? Or one that kinda sorta looks like one (if you squint real hard) but doesn’t have the same functionality as the real thing?
      
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      April 21, 2023 3:13pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    @ wido
    Yes, of course.
    If you say you are a woman, you are a woman.
    You got a f…… problem with that MF???
    Love from Shaneel.
    NZer of the Year.
    
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    April 21, 2023 8:57am
  - kowtow
    
    Raises an interesting point .
    
    If a woman said I refuse to be searched by you , cos you’re a man ,could Plod bring a charge of obstruction.
    
    Would it stand up in court.
    
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    April 21, 2023 9:29am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Would it stand up in court.
      
      Perhaps…
      
       The person conducting the search must be of the same gender identity as the person being searched.
      
      https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/default/files/publications/guidelines-for-conducting-strip-searches.pdf
      
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      April 21, 2023 9:46am
      - Ehlana
        
        That is chilling. If I ever were to be searched by a police officer, I would expect to be searched by a person of the same sex and gender identity as myself. If a police officer is trans but can’t handle people of their gender identity wanting to be searched by a person of their sex, that officer is surely too fragile for policing?
        
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        April 21, 2023 11:18am
      - kowtow
        
        MW
        
        Very interesting as the wording of the police guidelines are not consistent with the Act that gives them that power .
        
        ’12Searchers
        (1)
        A Police employee in charge of a person to whom section 11 applies may use a searcher to conduct a search of the person under section 11 if the use of that searcher is necessary to enable the search of the person in custody to be carried out—
        (a)
        by someone of the same sex as the person to be searched; or
        (b)
        within a reasonable time of the person being taken into custody.’
        
        Search and Surveillance Act 2012
        
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        April 21, 2023 12:28pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @kowtow
        
        Yes, good spotting…
        
        I had noticed the same in advice to youth on a Community Law site..
        
        If the police want to strip search you, it must be justified, and you must be searched by a police officer of the same sex.
        
        https://youthlaw.co.nz/rights/police-the-youth-justice-system/questioning-and-searches-police/
        
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        April 21, 2023 3:54pm
    - Matt Long
      
      You may end up being charged for hate speech and misgendering.
      
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      April 21, 2023 10:08am
  - Burtland
    
    what if you self identify as a mountain – theyre people too
    
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    April 21, 2023 12:10pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Well fair play to Rhona, they seem to know more about what a woman is than Hipkins…..
  
  I know I’ll never be a woman. There is currently no-one who can wave a magic wand and take away [my] having been a male for the majority of my life.
  
  Take note Chippy!
  
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  April 21, 2023 9:53am
  - Inandout
    
    CM, her DNA screams male.
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:26am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      And they admit it, so fair play. If they want to play gender then go for it. But admitting you’ll never be a female is a positive!
      
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      April 21, 2023 11:34am
- Loddenthinks
  
  The “senior prevention partnerships adviser for inclusion” whatever that word salad means. He couldn’t even get the words out of his own mouth, kept saying “shenior” I guess he was so excited that morons allow him to believe he’s a woman that he just had to work the word she into every sentence.
  
  What a shambles this once-proud force has become under Cuddles Coster.
  
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  April 21, 2023 10:46am
- Piniwi
  
  Mags did you see in the lonely hearts column: Dear Dorothy Dicks, Eveytime my boyfriend kisses me I feel something hard in his pocket.
  Do you think he has taken up drinking? Lou
  
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  April 21, 2023 12:40pm
Matt Long

Jason Smith explains cogently why 3 Waters is so bad.
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/jason-smith-the-overlooked-part-of-three-waters?postId=dcf3a9e7-bcc7-4364-bb90-e995d608f931&cid=db970c6d-6f12-48e2-a04d-5c512f666dee
Wish our main opposition party could do this instead of faint criticism.
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April 21, 2023 8:10am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  There you go again, the Nat’s have been outspoken and openly dismissive of 3 waters, and the new 10 waters has made them even more vocal, Nat’s have clearly stated that three waters is gone under them, and another thing is no co-governance in public services under them including dumping the Māori health authority. Seymour has been very quiet the last few weeks, why is it only the major opposition party you want opposing? shouldn’t they both be, don’t say they are, because Seymour appears to have become very timid.
  
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  April 21, 2023 8:17am
  - pdm
    
    G – Seymour definitely was not timid at Havelock North last evening.
    
    Concise direct answers to questions and a BIG NO to Co-Governance in any form. He reinforced one person one vote.
    
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    April 21, 2023 9:40am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Neither is Luxon at his large amount of meetings, he has been missing in action, but he still must do interviews after meetings and speeches Luxon does, but you lot all hate him
      
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      April 21, 2023 11:09am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    “..including dumping the Māori health authority..”
    
    Can you explain this?
    
    ““I believe a single system with innovation and components around targeting people on the basis of need and partnering through devolution and through localism with iwi … to actually get better outcomes”.”
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/131173710/morgan-godfery–christopher-luxon-opposes-cogovernance-or-does-he
    
    “Localism” – “the belief that services should be controlled and provided, or goods produced and bought, within a local area for the benefit of people in that area.”
    
    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/localism#:~:text=Localism%20is%20the%20belief%20that,Collins%20COBUILD%20Advanced%20Learner's%20Dictionary.
    
    Can you see the problem we have with Luxon? Decoding his word waffle brings us to some arrangement that is the same in effect as the Maori Health Authority. Maybe you have a different reading. Of course if he spoke in plain English, we would not need to guess.
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:35am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Localism is a step on the road to 15-minute cities. Next there will be no ICE vehicles, then no privately owned vehicles as you never need to leave your 15-minute designated zone.
      
      What Luxon should have promoted is decentralisation – the acknowledgement that almost no service has been improved by centralising it under government control. The “reforms” of vocational education and health are but two obvious examples where it’s made things immeasurably worse.
      
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      April 21, 2023 10:57am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Any of that crap will be done through the health budget, he has explained this, do you really think if they win the election the minister of health is going to piss about with Iwi stuff, he said the Māori health authority will be scraped
      
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      April 21, 2023 11:11am
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        “do you really think if they win the election the minister of health is going to piss about with Iwi stuff,,….”
        
        Could you please give punctuation a go?
        
        Yes I think that the Minister for Health would definitely give Iwi stuff a run. 😂
        
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        April 22, 2023 12:38am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yes, it is well worth reading:
  
  Te Mana o Te Wai Statements are legislated to cover every square centimetre of all the land, including under every home, road, farm or place of business as well as many kilometres out to sea. They’re not just about broken pipes but something much wider. Simple and powerful, it is already law that whatever these statements contain must be put into effect, no questions asked.
  
  it’s only Maori who may write Te Mana o Te Wai Statements.
  
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  April 21, 2023 8:21am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    The thing is that nobody understands the practical effect of these “statements”. How about a worked example of such a statement, along with worked examples of its practical impacts on the price and availability of water for different water users,.. farmers, households, etc.?
    
    Otherwise it is just ephemeral waffle.
    
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    April 21, 2023 8:32am
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      I think the whole idea is that we don’t get to try impose rules upon those who would generate these statements, or try and nail down the range of things they might contain. They will decide what goes into them, and the rest of us simply get to do as we’re told.
      I assume that courts will wind up getting involved, trying to decide if the rest of us have properly given effect to the statements issued. I have a suspicion that the people creating the statements will wind up on top of those decisions. How could they not?
      
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      April 21, 2023 9:05am
    - Ehlana
      
      I don’t think there are any actual statements in existence to provide examples.
      
      But how about, the bore you use to water your farm is depleting the underground water source and reducing the mana of my ancestor the river. To restore this you must stop drawing water from it.
      
      Now, explain this to your family, farm workers, and banker.
      
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      April 21, 2023 9:13am
    - Cantabrian
      
      Also of concern must surely be the totally uncapped fiscal impact of a MOTW statement. How does/can a WSE budget for the costs it must carry to not only ‘give effect to’, but also fund the research and production of a statement.
      And multiply that by the number of Iwi in the WSE area.
      Ultimately the costs will (can only) be carried by water users.
      
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      April 21, 2023 9:13am
      - zombie
        
        YOu’ve hit the nail on the head Cantabrian. Any Hapu can put in a MOTW statement and it must be enacted. There are over 100 Iwi in NZ so how many Hapu are there? The MOTW can relate to all manner of issues including future economic or employment impact, spiritual impact etc.
        
        Now consider that in the context that the debt structuring on these entities is so aggressive that few entities use them (Notably Scottish Water refused them) and that they effectively have almost no cashflow within the companies themselves. I dont know the correct terms but Thomas Cranmer describes them as ‘Thin’.
        
        Add into this an unknown amount of MOTW statements each year at a prescribed rate (I am not sure what this is but it apparently appears in one of the 2 supplementary bills put in a couple of days after 3 Waters were passed. (Rumours are that it is something like $60K to $75K but I cant confirm this).
        
        So you have a situation where you have a high debt entity with little excess money and HAPU can make say $70K for putting in a MOTW statement?
        
        There are various potentials in this, the cost of unknown MOTW’s along with delays caused by MOTW’s leading to A: Huge and ever increasing water prices or B: Financial Insolvency which is then underwritten by the councils or assets may be seized by the Lending Agency (This too apparently features in the legislation).
        
        So I think we should all be pretty frightened about where this is going.
        
        Secondly, is it just me or does anyone else see the possibility for MOTW to morph into an annual exercise by some Hapu (Some I emphasise) to increase HAPU earnings eg: You put in MOTW and get your $70K, the next year you drag out the document, spend a week updating it and stick in a new one for another $70K
        
        Affordable waters needs to go, its expensive, undemocratic and dangerous.
        
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        April 21, 2023 8:47pm
  - Grunter
    
    It is only mana whenua that can write these. A minority within a minority. And the same unelected few that will be appointed on the “50/50 governance board”.
    
    So they write the plans and run the board.
    
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    April 21, 2023 8:40am
  - Nickc2
    
    There’s more than enough undemocratic potential/actual legislation in 3Waters alone for a Nat/Act win at the next election should they wish to pursue such an avenue.
    They could start with the most egregious being THEFT, all the way through to CO-GOVERNANCE and KOHA.
    TBH, they can’t lose.
    
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    April 21, 2023 8:48am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Good luck to any Maori person wanting to enforce a Te Whatever Statement concerning my property.
    
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    April 21, 2023 9:45am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      “Grandad, how did the civil war start……..?”
      
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      April 21, 2023 9:56am
    - Matt Long
      
      They won’t enforce, just write the statement that the territorial authority must enact and enforce.
      See post on police asking for more powers of arrest below.
      
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      April 21, 2023 10:12am
  - artemisia
    
    The preparers are to be paid for producing the statements. That will not be the end of that trough.
    
    (Folk I know wanted to subdivide a piece of land into several sections. Consent required the cultural report and go ahead, and lo! there may have been historical use of the land so a local representative had to be present during the subdivision process. paid of course. Found? Nada.)
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:29am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  Josie Pagani explains why 10 Waters is so good…
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/131821658/josie-pagani-never-mind-cogovernance-show-us-the-money
  
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  April 21, 2023 8:28am
  - James Stephenson
    
    Josie Pagani is a ~~commentator on current affairs and a regular contributor to Stuff. She works in geopolitics, aid and development, and governance.~~ Labour shill.
    
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    April 21, 2023 9:42am
    - NothingLeft
      
      Josie Pagani is a ~~commentator on current affairs and a regular contributor to Stuff. She works in geopolitics, aid and development, and governance.~~ govt-funded Labour shill.
      
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      April 21, 2023 1:12pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Clearly the pressure is building
    
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    April 21, 2023 11:12am
- cas
  
  The BOP regional Council has been running ads for a while saying why changes are required to protect and restore our freshwater. they need to make changes to the Regional Plan. And they say
  
  Te Mana o Te Wai, the holistic approach to freshwater management will be at the centre of this decision making.
  
  If that doesn’t scare you, nothing will
  
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  April 21, 2023 10:38am
  - Paulus
    
    I am fearful of whatever the BOP Regional Council says, even more so when I see their bills I am required to pay.
    A level of bureaucracy that should never have been created by Helen Clark to give money to people she let run them.
    
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    April 21, 2023 1:27pm
emmess

I am surprised that David didn’t post his interesting chat with Michael Laws on the Platform but here it is
https://youtu.be/REzbLsN-GGI
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April 21, 2023 8:16am
Yvette

Planting the right tree in the right place?

Yesterday a kiwiblog reader commented –
I’m absolutely delighted to see the prohibition of farm sales to overseas interests for carbon farming. What Labour allowed when it deliberately left a loophole in the Overseas Investment Act has caused significant damage to the fabric of rural New Zealand. And it was all to keep Winston Peters and Shane Jones onside, with Jones’ vanity One Billion Trees project.
It’s taken a while, but the guts of the remit we took to a Lower North Island regional conference in 2020 – it passed almost unanimously – has finally come into being

Ephasis Yvette’s. I do agree with the reader, but wonder _
Isn’t what is described, the same scheme but in reverse, acclaimed by James Sha w at a Climate change conference in Glasgow, as a great breakthrough?
Earlier –

… When he announced the NDC, Shaw conceded this could well end up as a scheme where New Zealand pays poorer countries to plant trees. While there’s plenty of suitable land for carbon forestry in New Zealand, the issue has become a hot button topic in rural areas as more and more farmland is swallowed up by exotic pine. Planting trees in Indonesia or Papua New Guinea avoids the negative political repercussions and could end up being cheaper.
Officials are still “exploring a range of other options, including international ETS linking,” he added. …

… Shaw said he was committed to ensuring offshore mitigation met a high bar of environmental integrity. While the NDC Cabinet paper references the possibility of investing in REDD forestry projects, he said that was unlikely to happen. REDD , another briefing noted, “is a contentious issue due to challenges around environmental integrity”…
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/govt-seeks-overseas-trees-to-meet-paris-climate-pledge

So where did James Shaw get with that?
If it is good to prohibit overseas interests from carbon farming here and causing significant damage to the fabric of rural New Zealand, should New Zealand carbon farm causing significant damage to the fabric of someone else’s country?
And isn’t the entire ETS deal because we haven’t stopped emitting the emissions we still do in New Zealand?
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April 21, 2023 8:20am
Maggie Pie

And great to see Leo still on the case of the Albert-Park violence 🙁

Now we’ve even got Chippie saying he “wished he’d been there” with the mob.

https://twitter.com/LeoMolloyNZ/status/1648922782628184064
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April 21, 2023 8:21am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  If Kellie Jay Keen had been killed, it would have been “serves her right”.
  
  The only silver lining to the Auckland riot is that she has a considerably higher profile globally, but especially in the UK.
  
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  April 21, 2023 8:28am
  - kowtow
    
    A tale of two protests .
    
    The contrast in the way te media pardy treat the Albert Park and Parliament protests is illuminating.
    
    Yesterday for eg Jack Tame kept referring to the “violence from the protesters’ at parliament , but the parliament protesters were not violent ; that was gang affiliated infiltrators ( even the Whoreald published that from a police aligned source yesterday)
    
    The day the police tried to clear them in February was arguably state violence against peaceful protesters , who had a right to be there.
    
    I’ve made the point in the past that the huge number of dropped charges relates to those arrests and the so called “Independent”PCA report confirms that . They weren’t adequately warned of trespass.
    
    I wonder if there could be a civil case against the police for assault, unlawful detention etc .
    
    last word Coster on the night of the clear out claimed his staff were well equipped , when blind Freddy could see that wasn’t true ; disinformation.
    And was the constitution breached when he took action against peaceful protesters following that meeting with senior ministers .
    
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    April 21, 2023 8:42am
    - Matt Long
      
      Media are mystified as to why the public distrust them.
      
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      April 21, 2023 11:50am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, I sometimes wonder where Chippie stands on the cricket field?
  
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  April 21, 2023 8:40am
  - pdm
    
    Short leg or silly mid on.
    
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    April 21, 2023 9:44am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I think he’s more than capable of providing Cover, Deep Cover, and even Deep Extra Cover for the Team.
      
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      April 21, 2023 9:54am
  - gravedodger
    
    Somewhere between third man and long off.
    Finding a replacement for third man has long been a problem for the selectors, Goff, Shearer, Cunliffe, Little and currently Hipkins.
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:49am
    - Paulus
      
      See Little is in Gallipoli representing us – Ugh !
      Must need the Airpoints for after October.
      
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      April 21, 2023 1:35pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Silly mid off Inandout naturally.
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:53am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Left right out
    
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    April 21, 2023 7:34pm
G152

Well after the leader of the opposition proved his ability to lose both position and election by demeaning someone who had the temerity to repost something he saw on the Web several years ago I have rethought as to who I will vote for this cycle.
And as Monty Python is unavailable bye bye Luxon
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April 21, 2023 8:21am
Matt Long

https://twitter.com/winstonpeters/status/1648892848983670786
Winston Peters calling out political interference in policing and calling out Parker, and Robertson for doing the same things that Nash was sacked for.
A pity he’s not so consistent when in parliament.
Any comment from Luxon? No?
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April 21, 2023 8:26am
- Raphael
  
  As much as I seriously dislike and distrust Peters, he is an exceptionally good opposition MP.
  Put him anywhere near the Treasury benches and it all becomes Winston First.
  
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  April 21, 2023 9:13am
  - Matt Long
    
    To be fair to Winston, once he’s in Cabinet he no longer can freely criticise his cabinet colleagues.
    
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    April 21, 2023 9:15am
    - Mike
      
      Especially given his reputation for sleeping through cabinet meetings.
      
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      April 21, 2023 12:06pm
  - kowtow
    
    That makes him the apex hypocrite .
    
    Says all the right things in Opposition ( or the things that keep him at the trough) then the moment he’s in a position to do something , it’s ‘hold my trough while I polish my baubles’.
    
    Astounding that after some 25 years of the same old that a certain percentage are still taken in by it.
    
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    April 21, 2023 9:20am
- Chuck Bird
  
  What is more concerning to me is if there was police interference in police not protecting the women at Albert Park.
  
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  April 21, 2023 9:21am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hang on a minute, the ICP report was only released yesterday afternoon, give Luxon credit, he will read the report unlike Peters, he has picked one small part the media mentioned, and don’t bloody forget it was Nats that pushed Nash
  
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  April 21, 2023 9:27am
Bridgenag

The False Messaging on COVID “Vaccines” Given to Pregnant Women
BY David Bell writing for Brownstone Institute, APRIL 19, 2023

https://shrtm.nu/bab

Thank you for your help KK but too tech for me. Have downloaded shortURL so hope this works! Not as good as clicking on a word though…….
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April 21, 2023 8:33am
- krazykiwi
  
  You can do it, Bridgenag! Find an old GD thread and practice.
  
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  April 21, 2023 9:49am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Bridgenag – I warned about this at the beginning of the roll out of the experimental jab. The threat to pregnant women due to the fact there was no data to support the claim that it was “safe and effective” for them.
  
  I didn’t need to be astute or particularly bright to know this. I got it directly from the Medsafe website. I tried raising it in many platforms, wrote to MPs and media, Zero response.
  
  Read it for yourself.
  
  This is the table from page 3.
  
  Definition of missing information.
  
  Missing information
  
  Missing information refers to information on the safety of the medicinal product that is currently missing and needs to be collected (eg, on the long-term use of the medicine).
  
  Important identified risks
  
  Myocarditis and Pericarditis
  
  Important potential risks
  
  Vaccine-associated enhanced disease (VAED) including Vaccine associated enhanced respiratory disease (VAERD)
  
  Missing information
  
  Use in pregnancy and while breast feeding
  
  Use in immunocompromised patients
  
  Use in frail patients with co-morbidities (e.g. chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), diabetes, chronic neurological disease, cardiovascular disorders)
  
  Use in patients with autoimmune or inflammatory disorders
  
  Interaction with other vaccines
  
  Long term safety data
  
  https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/Comirnaty-RMP.pdf
  
  How on earth were the health authorities in NZ able to push this experiment onto the public when their own website clearly states there was no evidence showing it to be “safe and effective”? That document proves this to be a lie.
  
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  April 21, 2023 10:16am
Yvette

Te Mana o te Wai Statements are – not just about broken pipes but something much wider. Simple and powerful, it is already law that whatever these statements contain must be put into effect, no questions asked. The problem is only some parts of society are allowed to write them, though they affect us all. There is no co-governance in the simple truth that it’s only Maori who may write Te Mana o Te Wai Statements. There is nothing “co-” about this, it’s a different type of constitutional arrangement from anything we’ve seen before. It’s racially exclusive. …

Even now, having had a chance to reconsider what they’re doing with all aspects of Three Waters, Government is still following the idea of what iwi leaders call “ending the tyranny of the majority”. It’s not about a joined up New Zealand where everyone is leaning in to fix our water challenges, it’s simply racially divisive.

That Three Waters has become a hot political mess is no surprise. Wide-spread roadside signs reminding travellers to “Stop Three Waters” are part of the largest sign protest since “Stop The Tour” signs more than forty years ago. The Springbok tour of 1981 nearly brought the country to a form of civil war, and Three Waters issues are no less ominous.

The justification for the Government building a hiding-in-plain-view-race-based policy around water and land use affecting us all has never been explained. Simple questions have been deftly avoided by the current Prime Minister and his predecessor and the former and current Ministers of Local Government.
– JASON SMITH: THE OVERLOOKED PART OF THREE WATERS
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/jason-smith-the-overlooked-part-of-three-waters?postId=dcf3a9e7-bcc7-4364-bb90-e995d608f931&cid=db970c6d-6f12-48e2-a04d-5c512f666dee

The current Prime Minister and his predecessor, Jacinda Ardern – if as I understand neither is of Maori descent – although they have passed the 3 Waters legislation into law, neither may initiate a Mana o te Wai Statement.
But Winston Peters can, so be it his wish.
And he should just to piss them off, and explain his gain and win thousands of red-neck votes, again to piss them off
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April 21, 2023 8:58am
Lee C

In a rare glimmer of insight I finally ‘got it’ yesterday.
The recent resignation of the National MP from Otago innitially had me concerned and a bit miffed that he’d been victim of an orchestrated press hit.
And I believe that is the case. I saw an excerpt from MSM which implied an a snide manner that National’ candidate selection process was faulty.
The implication being the National Party’s culture was a magnet for unsavoury types who modern Aotearoa should have no truck with.
The narrative being the National Party is a haven for misanthropy, sexism, homophobia, racism, white separatism, Nazi-sympathisers – (just fill in the blank space accusation).
This is the big picture. Narrative to undermine the National Party and imply that they are no friends of certain ‘right-thinking people’.
Then I saw Luxon saying his piece. I actually agreed with his points. The posts were crude, sexist and unacceptable to him ‘as a father of a twenty-one year old female’.
Tha’s when the penny dropped.
The National Party is undergoing a cultural revolution and Luxon is spear-heading it with Willis as shotgun. The end game will be Willis for PM one day.
The cultural revolution is it aiming to achieve is to rebrand teh Party as a blue-rinse alternative to the more hip ‘progressive’ brands of other ‘left-leaning’ parties.
This requires the purging of people who may not represent the kinds of woke values that may encourage a wavering voter to look eleswhere when they vote.
It also represents the left-ward shift of our political culture within this paradigm.
The ‘Long march through the insititutions’ has been a success.
The judiciary, the police forces, the army, the schools the universities, the medical profession, even the blogosphere is now populated by people who unconsciously parrot the precepts of identity plitics, ‘wokism’ ‘political correctness’ and ‘progressively’ minded individuals who would like nothing better than to censure free thought, censor freeespression, and limit freedom of association by any means possible.
In an echo of that Orwellian observation where teh animals looked from pig to farmer and could not see the difference, we are in the end-game.
The final chapter of a satirical novella about the evils of group-think and unthinking compliance.
Now lest this sounds like the ravings of a retrogressive dinosour, let me be blunt.
My mentality belongs to the 5% of people who have seen around teh drape and have detected what’s going on behind it. My view is we need better safeguards for freedom of expression and we need a culture of acceptance about how different people may have differnt views, and (get this) we are free to disagree, rather than put them in the dole-queue is they dare to express off-colour ideas.
Many people who spear-head the cultural revoltion do not realise they are at the fading end of the paradigm. They are so inculcated with the new orthodoxies that they literally cannot see how their critical faculties have been hijacked, subjugated and replaces with ‘Good-Think’.
The paradigm requires total compliance, total acceptance total unquestioning adherence to the precepts of the culture. It fears and despises any alternative.
But the only way you can get votes is by joining it.
So, it is no longer enough to be tolerant of difference – Critical Thinking and tolerance are now shibboleths.
The only way to do well is to comply and victimise those who may not.
Personally I think this is pathological and toxic so I respect where Luxon is coming from, but I will never vote for it. It woud be like a turkey voting to bring Christmas forward to July.
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April 21, 2023 8:58am
- kowtow
  
  ‘ (just fill in the blank space accusation).’
  
  Te Media pardy are still beating the nats with Uffindell ( it’s ok to beat up kids)
  
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  April 21, 2023 9:17am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, the hit jobs stopped for a while, but polls are starting to shift against Hipkins, and I just wonder why one news did not realise their early April poll, and yes they did poll at the end of March
    
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    April 21, 2023 11:16am
- Yvette
  
  That Luxon is rabbit-holed with every matter the media bash (Brash) him with, indicates he may not be smart or single minded enough to he on the hikoi (word he will have learnt) that your comment, Lee C. lays out.
  I think he should hand over leadership to Willis now. or at random: to Goldsmith.
  
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  April 21, 2023 9:42am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Change leader now, Nats back to 25% Labour up to high 40s well done
    
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    April 21, 2023 11:17am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  How many woman votes do you think National would lose if Jack stayed after saying his woman are 19 and easily spread? Ffs what is he supposed to do
  
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  April 21, 2023 11:14am
  - Dougal10
    
    It was a covid 19 joke doing the facebook rounds. By all means it was nowhere one of the worst ones shared after the crazy pm locked us down on advice from her “london friend”
    
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    April 21, 2023 12:53pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      It doesn’t matter, he has left skeletons , and the words are not a joke, they are utterly disgusting
      
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      April 21, 2023 3:02pm
  - Lee C
    
    I said I agreed with Luxon on his views.
    
    But I put it to you his views are just teh spewings of someone who will say whatever it takes to get the imagined votes he imagines it will garner.
    
    I’ve suggested why this is the case, but hey, I’m prepared to be informed if I am worng.
    
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    April 21, 2023 4:15pm
- zombie
  
  I concur, the same thing occurred to me a few months back. The only thing to be done is to write to him and ask him to promote a principled alternative and if he wont then dont vote National.
  
  They are not even close to a conservative party and I say this as a former long term Labour voter.
  
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  April 21, 2023 9:02pm
Simon

Clown World vs Russia / China alliance.

As things get bad for Clown World would they allow a legitimate election, which Trump (or similar) win and then he would defeat Russia / China or would they just instead go nuclear?
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April 21, 2023 9:04am
- Lance
  
  Your shilling for Putin has become incomprehensible and rather bizarre.
  Let’s start by explaining why you think things are bad for the “Clown World” (BTW who talks like that?)
  
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  April 21, 2023 9:59am
  - Simon
    
    “Your shilling for Putin”
    
    Putin is a turd. He is pond scum but you keep calling men in dresses women.
    
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    April 21, 2023 11:47am
    - Lance
      
      WTF?
      Making shit up about what I wrote or I agree with is not convincing me of your coherent arguments.
      
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      April 21, 2023 3:47pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Lance many people talk of clown world. See NZ education outcomes for relevant local examples.
    
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    April 21, 2023 3:46pm
Lee C

P.S. Jack should stand as an independent or join ACT.

IMHO
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April 21, 2023 9:08am
- MCōs
  
  Jack’s political philosophies align with the Nats not ACT.
  Furthermore
  Why would ACT want a loose canon like him in their ranks.
  
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  April 21, 2023 9:36am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Heck, he tells two jokes and now he’s a ‘ loose canon (sic)”
    Tough crowd
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:01am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      They are only a small sample of his vulgarity on his twitter page
      
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      April 21, 2023 11:21am
      - G152
        
        Its called comedy. Remember?
        Something to laugh at?
        
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        April 21, 2023 11:50am
      - Dougal10
        
        There you go again confusing twitter with actual real life.
        
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        April 21, 2023 12:55pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Since when did having a sense of humour make you a loose cannon? That makes the whole Monty Python crew loose cannons.
    
    The world could use a few more loose cannons, it’s slowly turning into a parody of wokeness and sad, bitter people looking for something to whine about or someone to blame for their failure as a functioning human being.
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:21am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Telling the public you want to represent at his age that his woman are 19 and easily spread is not a sense of humour, it would lose Nats a huge slice of the woman vote
      
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      April 21, 2023 11:22am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        So best cancel everything, like the ‘Flying High’ movie (called ‘Airplane’ in many countries).
        One of the funniest movies ever made, but most of the scenes would now be cancelled and those who rolled on the floor laughing because they knew it was satire, would now be vilified as ‘racists’, ‘bigots’, misogynists’ etc etc etc.
        
        The same with ‘Life of Brian’, comedy gold. It wasn’t offensive, it was satire. Anyone claiming otherwise can just make sure to not watch it, and leave the rest of us alone.
        
        Because you don’t find something funny doesn’t mean it isn’t. Just because you say you’re “offended” doesn’t mean it was offensive. It’s your perception and that doesn’t mean you can demand whatever it was being cancelled.
        
        This is how we have arrived at this insane point in our existence. People are shut down by hysterical, screaming, inane people with moronic and utterly unsubstantiated claims. We aren’t allowed to challenge their illogical ideas because we might “offend” them. Catering to these idiots only encourages them to demand more.
        
        Tough shit. To paraphrase Wesley from ‘The Princess Bride’ – life isn’t fair, anyone saying otherwise is selling you something.
        
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        April 21, 2023 12:07pm
  - Lee C
    
    Classic inadvertent illustration of Exhibit A to my offering Mcos.
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:43am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Exactly, apparently his twitter page is absolutely disgusting, I have also been told from people in my line of work he is a nasty sod
    
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    April 21, 2023 11:20am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Jack has stated he resigned when he seen the dirt of the media, and he said he doesn’t want anything to do with it, why would he go eith Act? He has stated what he said is wrong, Luxon has stated he has never met Jack and that includes ringing him to stand him down
  
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  April 21, 2023 11:19am
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/300858768/aussie-influencer-apologises-for-accidentally-killing-cats-as-a-child

Here is an example of how blatant attention seeking by an “influencer” just didn’t work out.
Why are people so dumb?

(Something different from “let’s all pile on to the National Party” today.)
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April 21, 2023 9:09am
- Lee C
  
  Yes, becasue having well-thought out critiques is aking to ‘piling on’ in snowflake land…
  
  Here’s an idea.
  
  Why don’t the National Party listen to their core constituencies?
  
  I know, ridiculous, Right?
  
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  April 21, 2023 10:45am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Hahahahaha, but you nutter Act supports are not core constituents, my mate Mike MCool is having a meeting this week with Nat MPs, he has changed his stance the last few days over voting for King as he sees it as helping Labour, he is going to ask hard questions, but one thing he said is you can get listened to by Nats, but you will never get listened to by Labour
    
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    April 21, 2023 11:26am
    - Lee C
      
      Yes, you will get listened to.
      
      But only if you talk like Labour,
      Think like Labour.
      Dress like Labour and
      agree with Labour.
      
      Got a view about Maori issue?
      Got a view about Climate Change?
      Got a view about Civil Liberties?
      
      Best not tell anyone.
      
      Otherwise, that nice Mr. . Luxon will be put you on the naughty chair to read some books, or sacked, be publically reprimanded or be encouraged to resign.
      
      Because Gosh, he so wants to be PM, he’ll throw anyone under the bus to get it.
      
      PS Get Vaxxed!
      
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      April 21, 2023 4:21pm
Matt Long

The IPCA report on the protests wasn’t just a whitewash, it also calls for a power grab, so that police don’t have to go through frustrating delays in arresting people where they currently have no legal grounds for said arrest.
http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/04/a-disturbing-attitude-from-ipca.html?m=1
Also see the BFD
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April 21, 2023 9:13am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  It pointed out that police on the ground did what they could, it was pointed at leadership, and it has mentioned political interference by Robertson and Parker
  
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  April 21, 2023 11:28am
Maggie Pie

“Was it them again Yogi?”

“It’s always them Boo Boo!”

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1649119800541446162
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April 21, 2023 9:18am
- Swifty
  
  I see that young gentleman has multiple Facebook accounts – may I invite KB readers to go and have a look at them and see how he lives his life and who he surrounds himself with.
  
  No mana. No pride. No contribution. No responsibilities. No obligation.
  
  Not even a man.
  
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  April 21, 2023 11:20am
surfing

AH Construction recently went bust.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/131824326/construction-firm-didnt-pay-gst-for-six-years-before-entering-administration

6 years of not paying GST?

“the company’s director maintained tax payments had been delegated to a third party provider.”

Yes, because ignorance excuses not paying tax.
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April 21, 2023 9:19am
- greybeard
  
  What on earth was the IRD doing for these 6 years ?
  
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  April 21, 2023 9:55am
  - surfing
    
    I find it hard to fathom. I know IRD rely on voluntary compliance, but they must be hugely understaffed. 1 year late should be a trigger to at least make a phone call!
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:06am
Hugh Jarse

So who believes Coster wasn’t monstered by Robertson et al in an “uncomfortable” meeting and panicked into putting his troops at risk with a poorly prepared operation ?. Listening to him being interviewed by HPDA yesterday Coster sounded pretty fragile. Looking forward to Andrea Vance’s investigation into this one.
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April 21, 2023 9:21am
- kowtow
  
  HDPA was pretty soft .
  
  I reckon Chief Plod should feel lucky Hosk is on holiday.
  
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  April 21, 2023 9:51am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Even the leftie filling in for Hosking was disgusted with his words this morning, he said he must go, funny how Ardern knew to put this fool in charge
  
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  April 21, 2023 11:30am
- Burtland
  
  RNZ reports the Police were equipped with garden gloves – no one commits woefully unprepared staff to such a confrontation – Costa will have been pushed.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/488408/officers-sent-to-quell-parliament-protest-with-gardening-gloves-borrowed-gear
  
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  April 21, 2023 1:45pm
I remember when

‘We need some new PR ideas’: Ricky Gervais leads global outrage over NZ’s cat killing competition.
NO doubt the children (34) at Rotherham School will now understand the power of the media and internet.
My contact from nearby informs me that he removed 40 cats from the dairy farm he was on several years ago.
The birds returned although he did say the rabbits also increased.
No mention in the coverage of the ‘cat saga’ of the Stephens Island wren or piopio.
Stephens Island should be a template for the affect cats can have when allowed to run wild.
They are (despite the beliefs of many owners) one of the ultimate killing machines.
Incidentally Rotherham has a population of approx 150: 90 Male and 60 Female.
It is in the Hurunui District which has a population density of 1.5 per square km.
They were hardly going to shoot many ‘tame’ cats.

Is it time to discuss the amount of freedom that our society allows roaming cats.
The number of cats that are dropped in the rural districts each year.
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April 21, 2023 9:27am
- rockape
  
  Pet cats used to eat my baby ducks and chickens. I live on a lifestyle block with no near neighbours. My hatchlings are safe now.
  
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  April 21, 2023 11:42am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    An uncle of mine used a silenced .22 to bowl over cats coming onto his back yard. Pretty harsh, but a lot of buried cats I am told.
    Individually, I like them – but in the densities they exist, and roaming, killing, and leaving mess around, I have often wished I was cold hearted enough to snuff them out too.
    Kids or anyone killing feral cats is in no way an issue for me, if they are shooting away from a population centre.
    I only owned a cat once, and I used to bring it inside at night. Much as I like them (and pat them when I visit other people’s places), I don’t have a pet cat on principle.
    
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    April 21, 2023 2:05pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Feral cats are apparently very hard to eradicate. When you look at the hours of torture they inflict on smaller prey, an instant death courtesy of a bullet doesn’t seem that cruel.
      
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      April 21, 2023 3:48pm
I remember when

I guess it was just lucky that the the driver didn’t provoke him.
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April 21, 2023 9:34am
I remember when

Do these people never think further than the good part?
What do they imagine happens to ‘humanely’ caught cats after they have been humanely caught?
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April 21, 2023 9:37am
sirknz

This is society today:

https://archive.fo/4KZ87 [$tuff]

12 months home detention for fiddling three kids over a period of 8 years. The nonce was remorseful when he was caught…

I like the proposed law in Florida where it is the death penalty for anyone who abuses kids sexually. This has had the effect of some LGHDTV organisations to issue travel advisories against travelling to Florida. Begs the question as to why these people would be so concerned about a law that targets kiddy fiddlers…
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April 21, 2023 9:40am
- cmm
  
  ” Begs the question as to why these people would be so concerned…”
  Being sexually attracted to children is on the spectrum of a wider view of what sex is/ is not.
  
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  April 21, 2023 11:16am
  - sirknz
    
    The response should always be the same when it comes to ‘minor attracted persons’ or the fans of the playground, … [no, not here thanks. mod.]. It is the only appropriate response we should have to them as a society.
    
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    April 22, 2023 12:48am
Surely Knott

The crimes act defines the crime of female genital mutilation as the removal of the clitoris, labia majora, labia minora or narrowing the vaginal opening.

The law defines females as only having female anatomy.

Women are adult human females.
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April 21, 2023 9:40am
- cmm
  
  Sexist law.
  Where’s the law preventing male genital mutilation?
  
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  April 21, 2023 11:13am
Gravelroad

Look folks, I am not and never have been a member of any political party – but have always given my vote to centre right.
Yes, things are pretty grim at the moment.
But you do realise that any Labour Party members and associated propagandists, who look at the comments on here today will be laughing like drains – at us.
They are winning the hearts and minds battle and commenters on here are facilitating this with their constant moaning about the National Party and it’s people.
It is not effective – especially in an election year.
Of course, the counter view is that only a handful of anonymous right wingers with no influence look at KB anyway –
Is that true?
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April 21, 2023 9:45am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  the counter view is that only a handful of anonymous right wingers with no influence look at KB anyway
  
  I think it is true enough that KB has a limited audience, but it is not all right wingers.
  
  None of the folks I socialise with read KB, including my husband…. (but then, we don’t know anyone who belongs to the Nats…and the only (ex)Act person we’ve met is DG).
  
  However, I have seen reference to comments published on KB on other sites (e.g. “The Standard”)
  and on occasions I’ve noticed issues or information that appeared first on KB suddenly becomes picked up by the MSM.
  
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  April 21, 2023 10:12am
  - Rusty
    
    @Maggie.
    
    Aussie sky Journo Andrew Bolt gave a plug for KB on his show calling it the best blog in NZ but I don’t know what size audience he has.
    
    My wife thinks all blogs are for whingers.
    
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    April 21, 2023 12:08pm
- Matt Long
  
  My apologies Gravel, here, for you;
  Luxon was in Northland yesterday with local candidate, my friend Grant McCullum. At a shed meeting they shared National’s Agriculture Policy which includes a “wipe two agricultural regulations for every new regulation introduced.”
  It’s a very good election year policy release and sufficiently ambiguous to ensure no promises will be broken after the election.
  I’m hopeful enough rural electorate MPs and Act MPs are elected to counterbalance the urban woke group that currently holds sway in the National party.
  
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  April 21, 2023 11:12am
  - Paulus
    
    Great to hear Luxon talk common sense – it was not reported – again !
    
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    April 21, 2023 1:58pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What shits me with their organised ACT anger is it gets in the mind of the large undecided voter
  
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  April 21, 2023 11:31am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    You protest too much about ‘ACT Voters’ sabotaging National.
    Your only concern is ACT eating some of Nationals %
    I get the sense that many voters are not tribal & welded on worshippers like yourself. ACT is going to have to be part of a National government, and I pray it gets to be an influential part of a National-led government. So it is a bit odd to worry about ACT more than Labour or the Greens based on your volume of posts.
    I have voted for several different parties depending on the issues at the election and the appearance of the party.
    Who is to say that many of the “ACT Voters” (as you use it like a slur) are not former National voters, or swing voters.
    “….Don’t be mean about Luxon/Don’t criticise Luxon” is pretty weak stuff, if you are thinking that is how you get swing voters to come over.
    
    I for one think National policy is generally good, and Luxon is currently best retained in the leadership – but his responses to media are weak weak weak. I am not sure how much is coming from principle, vs the need to be liked.
    He will never get Maori-nationalists or Rainbow gays or progressives to love him.
    He should just stop, and unapologetically focus on announcing what can be materially done to turn around NZ from the drain circling it going through.
    Of course you will say ‘he already has done all this’, and likely add a swear word as a rejoinder, but my point is that he keeps dancing to the media tune around trying to appear inoffensive and so is not getting any cut through as a leader or a man of vision.
    
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    April 21, 2023 2:23pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Um, because the attacks on the Nats are organised inside Act, its vulgar verging on media vulgarity, dont say it does not happen , because my mate use to be one until he woke up to what they are doing
      
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      April 21, 2023 3:09pm
- rockape
  
  Many are here posting.
  
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  April 21, 2023 11:45am
BarryB

One truism about war is that “Its good for business”

I recall some years ago when the US and associates invaded Kuwait that in the build up to the invasion the US military ordered many (I think it was 50) machines to make plastic bag bladders that are used to package water so that water could be delivered to the battlefield. (I was involved in the general packaging business at the time).
Even twenty of these machines was a lot and could make enough of the bags (like wine cask bags) to packaging thousands of litres a minute. The could fill a container ship with water in a couple of days.
Unfortunately – or fortunately depends on your viewpoint – the fighting was over before these machines could even be delivered. So they came onto the open market soon after and the world was flooded with machines to make bags to contain water – or pretty much any sort of liquid.

The Ukraine stalemate is proving to be a typical material consuming war.
The US and France have double their capacity to make 120/150mm artillery shells – that cost about US$4000 each – so these two countries expect the war to last well into the future.
Its claimed that Russia fire around 20,000 of this sized shall each day (I don’t know if that’s every day or just when they have a bit of a push). Assuming Russian shells cost the same that’s $80million a day.
And artillery guns and tank guns don’t last for ever. Some artillery guns can only fire 100 rounds before they need ‘re-barreling’. Some can last up to 2500 firings. (big 16inch guns on battleships are limited to 1000 firings).
Then there are the various rockets and missiles and similar that are used. One US weapon – I think it’s the Javelin – is widely used. However the Ukraine conflict has consumed all the Javelin missiles manufactured in the last 13 years.
Things will have to ramp up if fighting continues.

Now the life of a tank in combat is around 3 days (that’s not the service life if the tank never went into battle – and tanks are made to be used in battle. In one battle on the eastern front in WW2, the useable expectancy of front line tanks was about 3.5 minutes from the moment the tanks from each side came into visual contact) . They can last years in a tank garage or park – but in battle they are 3 day wonders. They either get made immobile by the opposition weapons or action, or they break down. They breakdown very often. They are very heavy things with zillions of parts and very often the failure of just one part renders them immobile. And they are not simple to fix and require heavy equipment.
The worst job in an army is cleaning out damaged tanks of the bits and pieces of the crew that were killed when the tank was damaged. In the second world war it was common to simply clean them out with a high pressure, high volume stream of water! Then they replace the broken bits – often the turret, put in a new crew and then book the tank in for repair in about 3 days…………….and order a new crew…………

So conflict consumes enormous amounts of material – and people. The Military supply companies love a good conflict (– just like pharmaceutical companies love a good pandemic).

So if you want to make some good money in the share market first of all find out who makes all the bullets and rockets and missiles and the tanks and robots etc. Then take a risk on how long the Ukraine conflict will last (short of an armistice it will be years) and then consider buying some shares in companies providing lots of consumables…………….
Lockheed (10%), Raytheon(8%), Northrop(20%), Thales(32%), AeroVironment(60%), Olin, BAE Systems (28%), Dynamit Nobel, Rheinmetall (120%), are just some of them. The % figures are changes in share price in last 12 months.
Needless to say Im not any sort of financial adviser and in fact havent dipped my toe into the sharemarket since about 1986 when everything that looked good crashed into nothing as they were built on mirrors and smoke………….
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April 21, 2023 9:50am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Fair comments, confirmation that as Smedley Butler said in his book, ‘War is a Racket’.
  
  WAR is a racket. It always has been.
  
  It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.
  
  A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small “inside” group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.
  
  https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html
  
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  April 21, 2023 10:35am
- cmm
  
  There is no way a 150mm shell costs the Russians $4k each. Sure, there’s a lot of work in making one of these shells but not $4k.
  
  The staple diet of USA/Western artillery is the 155mm howitzer shell. USA munitions costs are massively inflated which is why the “dumb” shells cost around $4kUS each and the guided 155mm shells “cost” over $100k USD each.
  
  I expect a lot of this is used to make military aid numbers look higher than they really are. In some ways it’s a form of money laundering: give a country $x billions of military aid that they must spend on buying inflated equipment back from you. Might as well have made a handout directly to the military industrial complex.
  
  That is part of the reason Israel ended up with really shit US equipment such as the bug-ridden Patriot missile batteries that didn’t do their purported job, but instead killed more Israelis than they ever “saved”.
  
  I don’t know much about Russian artillery, but it would seem their go-to is the 152mm howitzer which likely has similar characteristics to the 155, although being probably a bit shorter range and typically quicker firing. The range reduction might mean there is less need for manufacturing precision – likely making them a bit cheaper.
  
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  April 21, 2023 10:57am
  - Matt Long
    
    Maybe Musk could do for munitions what he did for space rockets by undercutting NASA massively.
    
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    April 21, 2023 11:15am
    - cmm
      
      Well Musk hasn’t really undercut NASA. NASA were never really in the business of providing commercial space flight.
      
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      April 21, 2023 12:27pm
      - Matt Long
        
        Of course, my memory was faulty, it was Boeing Aerospace that Musk’s company disrupted.
        
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        April 21, 2023 3:40pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/mikaela-matenga-the-queen-of-our-orewa-event-fires-up/

I watched the queen of Orewa ripping the books up. Disgusting behaviour, 7 year old tantrum behaviour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU74OBJtrDQ
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April 21, 2023 9:51am
Surely Knott

So Jack Brazil ex Green Candidate was shot a week ago. The anti-capitalist radical action Yours cafe was cordoned off and raided.

“RNZ says today “It’s now been almost a week since Dunedin climate activist and one-time Green Party candidate, Jack Brazil, was shot in Dunedin – and no arrests have been made.

Mr Brazil survived the shooting and is recovering, though authorities are being tight-lipped about the details of what occurred.”

Who shot Jack? Why? What does Jack say? Which authorities are being tight lipped? What kind of gun? What was found in the raid of Yours Cafe? Were guns found inside Yours Cafe. Are the far left activists training for something? Have neighbours heard gunshots before? If a right wing candidate was shot at a far – right headquarters that was raided would we know the details? An anonymous source from Yours said he was shot somewhere else – have the police found another location? Was their blood inside Yours cafe? Why do police believe its an isolated incident?

Is the lack of disclosure from authorities politically motivated.
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April 21, 2023 10:12am
- alex Masterley
  
  Mr Brazil was shot, according to the ODT and other media, at a place other than “Yours” and that he drove himself there post shooting.
  One wonders if the place of the shooting has been (a) identified and (b) visited by the police.
  It is a very odd matter.
  
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  April 21, 2023 10:55am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Is it possible to shoot yourself in the liver whilst playing around with guns/rifles?
    
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    April 21, 2023 11:07am
    - cmm
      
      Possible? Of course!
      If it had been an accidental self-shooting then there would be no need for the silence.
      
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      April 21, 2023 11:11am
  - Matt Long
    
    You are shot, you drive yourself to a leftist cafe because A&E is full, then police cordon off the cafe?!!!
    Those fascist cops, always picking on the left.
    
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    April 21, 2023 11:18am
  - Surely Knott
    
    The comments in the media about him being shot at a different location and driving to the Cafe and then flagging down a car, all came from an anonymous person affiliated with Yours.
    
    But check this out! Looks like all the Otago far-left activists are fighting and assaults in July.
    
    “An ugly confrontation between opposing Dunedin activists is the latest in what is becoming an increasingly fraught public activism space.
    
    The exact details of the incident are disputed, but it appears the confrontation began when free speech proponent and former Dunedin mayoral candidate Malcolm Moncrief-Spittle began filming anti-fascist activist Sina Brown-Davis, her husband, and friend Jack Brazil multiple times in central Dunedin last Thursday.”
    
    After repeatedly asking Mr Moncrief-Spittle to stop filming, Mr Brazil confronted him.
    It is alleged Mr Moncrief-Spittle attempted to strangle him with his scarf.
    
    He admits to tugging on the scarf, saying “for a few seconds he would have felt he was being strangled as I pulled on his scarf”.
    
    At one stage, Mr Brazil grabbed his phone and threw it to prevent further filming.
    
    Both sides say they have made police complaints about the other.”
    
    “Mr Moncrief-Spittle said he acts out of concern for the stifling of free speech, and that he is acting as a “citizen journalist”.
    He takes umbrage with activists putting pressure on venues to cancel events being held by far right conspiracy theorists such as Counterspin Media.”
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/changing-landscape-protest-and-activism
    
    What was Jack up to at 3 in the morning? Or is it the free speech Mayor that’s finally lost it. Or is it something completely unrelated.
    
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    April 21, 2023 11:20am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      A Leftie called Spittle? Surely not!
      
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      April 21, 2023 7:53pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘The anti-capitalist radical action Yours cafe was cordoned off and raided.’
  
  For the sake of clarity and brevity , “anarchist cafe ” would suffice.
  
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  April 21, 2023 11:51am
- Libertarians are right
  
  It’s also worth noting that the Otago Leftist all lost their minds over the fact he was named because he hadn’t consented to being named.
  
  There are multiple possibilities of why/how he was shot but I can tell you it doesn’t look it was a far right racist capitalist that did it.
  
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  April 21, 2023 12:05pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Would be VERY interesting if Green-affiliated leftists had firearms on site. Seems very odd to be shot in the liver and drive to a cafe.
  Whether this was an accidental discharge, from a weapons being stored loaded, and handled, is something I ponder.
  It has not been suggested that police are looking for anyone else, and it is a shame there are not more details around who is likely to face charges.
  Where is the firearm now would be the first question.
  
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  April 21, 2023 2:32pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    Also the cafe is only 2 blocks from the hospital. If you are in a car why wouldn’t you drive to the hospital.
    
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    April 21, 2023 5:57pm
Master Mariner

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/methane-warm-earth-atmosphere-radiation
Alarm bells should ring when you hear the following , The Science is settled,
Or, Follow the Science.
As an avid Meterologist, i know dam well there is to many unknown variables to point the finger and cry Climate Change.
So with this in mind , I thought I would share this with any farmers on here.
Thoughts?
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April 21, 2023 11:06am
- cmm
  
  The whole point of science is that it is NEVER settled.
  
  There is always something more to understand or something to re-explore and correct.
  
  Even when we have very solid knowledge about something (eg. the properties of gravity), we still have unresolved questions (eg. why gravity is there in the first place).
  
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  April 21, 2023 12:33pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep,
    
    still searching for gravitons….
    
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    April 21, 2023 12:45pm
    - cmm
      
      And one day when they do find gravitons (maybe), then there is still the deeper question of why gravitons create gravity, etc etc etc.
      
      There’s never an end…
      
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      April 21, 2023 3:54pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Sounds like a job for life
        
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        April 21, 2023 8:19pm
Cinematic

In replacing free will and self responsibility with Lockdowns and forced vaccination, all of the politicians of that time, are fully responsible for the societal chaos that now confronts us all daily.

The opposition so miserably failed in their duty they barely deserve to win later this year.

Nonetheless 2 ticks blue. It’s by far the most sensible option.
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April 21, 2023 11:10am
- kowtow
  
  Party Vote yellow , to give the Nats their spine back.
  
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  April 21, 2023 11:48am
Maggie Pie

It will be interesting to see what happens in the case of the 85 yo white homeowner who shot the black teenager when he went to the wrong house and rang the door bell.

Honestly, I don’t know why anyone would be worried about a black kid ringing the bell. He could just be collecting for a charity or something?

https://twitter.com/pixelproven/status/1648423985816932352
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April 21, 2023 11:24am
- cmm
  
  If he did indeed just “ring the wrong doorbell”.
  
  There are some reports out there that he had “entered the wrong house”, so maybe the story is falling apart a bit.
  
  I don’t know either way. I wasn’t there. But it seems like the media struggles to get it right.
  
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  April 21, 2023 12:42pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    A few Missouri based Twitterati are saying the teenager went to the ‘wrong house’ to pick up his brothers….115th Street instead of 115th Terrace.
    Yet he’d dropped them off only the day before.
    
    Hmmm….
    
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    April 21, 2023 1:43pm
MCōs

Matt King was on Morning Report talking about the parliament protest & claiming to be one of the leaders.
I’m sure he has his admirers, but I wonder how many of these self proclaimed leaders there were at the time?
I note he quickly disowned the brick throwing, arsonists he claimed only turned up at the end for a fight, he says.
This is an eternal problem. If you hold a protest are you responsible for the bad eggs who show up?
Or does that only pertain to other peoples protests?
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April 21, 2023 11:27am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I was very supportive of the protest at the beginning, but you could clearly see the nastys slowly take over, I know three from Dunedin who left once the Tamaki brigade started rolling into town, people say they were not there, but it was clear they were wearing the Tamiki leathers, one thing King did do during the protest is call for peaceful protests, snd he always said the protests were hijacked, but the same fools rubbish Nats on here are the same one’s saying they is not true
  
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  April 21, 2023 11:36am
  - Che Guava
    
    Don’t mistake the protest for the thing being protested. It wouldn’t have mattered at all if the protest consisted of the worst people imaginable, the principle they were advancing – bodily autonomy without sanction – would have remained sound (which, of course, is why the focus was on the people, not the idea, which is typical of our dumb-down popular discourse).
    
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    April 21, 2023 2:00pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I am not mistaking anything, you could see the change in people by the day to some of the absolute nutters that were there at the end, as i said 3 people i know who went to the protest were driven out by the nutters
      
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      April 21, 2023 3:11pm
      - Che Guava
        
        Yeah, but the principle didn’t and couldn’t change, so I fail to see your point about crowd composition.
        
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        April 21, 2023 4:23pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘I note he quickly disowned the brick throwing, arsonists he claimed only turned up at the end for a fight, he says’
  
  Yesterday Whoreald basically confirms that in a story quoting a former police officer ,Allister Rose, there in some sort of support capacity for the police saying ;
  
  “……the crowd ( on the last day) was riddled with gang members who were itching for a fight with police”.
  
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  April 21, 2023 11:46am
  - MCōs
    
    Just so I have a fighting chance to find this chap’s comment, what is Whorald?
    And what is the article?
    
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    April 21, 2023 7:04pm
- mandk
  
  He was definitely there, but I don’t know what sort of role he had in organising it.
  
  As for being responsible for how the protest ended, that was the fault of all 120 MPs, especially the party leaders, who refused to engage with the protesters in any way. When they did this, the peaceful, ordinary Kiwi, anti-mandate folk eventually departed because it was obvious that the scumbags were there in increasing numbers, looking for trouble.
  
  I don’t trust Winston Peters, but what he said yesterday about the protest was correct.
  
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  April 21, 2023 12:05pm
True man

From the IPCA report pg 6
“19. During the evening of 9 February, the decision was made to conduct an operation on the following
day to remove the protesters occupying Parliament grounds. That decision was ultimately made by
the Wellington District Commander, but only after the Commissioner of Police communicated his
view that this should occur. The decision was made following a discussion between the
Commissioner, the Speaker, the Deputy Prime Minister and the Attorney General. We are satisfied
that there was no undue political interference and the Commissioner reached his own independent
view.”

I have listened to a couple of media interviews where Coster is asked about political interference. His reply was along the lines that Mallard was there as being the landlord and Robertson was there as being the MP for Wellington Central

Three points
– no reason given for why David Parker as Attorney General was there, nor was it asked for by the interviewer
– I presume such meeting would be recorded by secretaries – if so an interesting OIA to read
– Why refer to those present by their titles in the report. If the words “as Landlord” for the Speaker, and “‘as Wellington Central’s MP” for the Deputy Prime Minister were added I could concur that there was possibly no political interference.

Now I am not so sure.
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April 21, 2023 11:53am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  The key word seems to be ‘undue’. They’re not saying there was no interference, just no ‘undue’ interference.
  
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  April 21, 2023 1:15pm
Swifty

Some sad news about Barry Humphries:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/barry-humphries-family-gather-at-bedside-as-legendary-star-goes-into-unresponsive-state/2234PDZRYFHYBKHLDSMSNDZJ4E/
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April 21, 2023 12:20pm
- Ghost
  
  Some happy news
  
  “St Vincent’s Hospital in the last hour have gone public and said in fact he’s alert and he’s cracking jokes with the nursing staff, so they seem like two very extreme ends of the spectrum,” entertainment reporter Peter Ford said on 6PR today, referring to the earlier report of him being unresponsive.
  
  NZ Herald
  
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  April 21, 2023 4:06pm
Swifty

Hahahahahahahahahaha!

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/488390/almost-half-of-employers-pay-kiwisaver-as-part-of-total-wages-survey

FFS! What’d they think was going to happen?

Of course employers are going to factor it in, and we’ve observed this in economic analysis for decades and decades.

Honestly, some of our so-called academics and ‘thought-leaders’ do us a great disservice.

They live in cloud cuckoo land.

We give them and their wacky ideas far, far too much credit at times.
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April 21, 2023 12:29pm
Swifty

Baldwin shoots and kills a woman and just gets to walk away.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11996531/Involuntary-manslaughter-charges-against-Alec-Baldwin-DROPPED.html

I find that quite extraordinary.
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April 21, 2023 12:33pm
- Paulus
  
  Why extraordinary ? – in the USA only one thing that matters is MONEY which Baldwin will have behind him.
  So what do you expect – some koha will have passed hands too.
  That’s the US.
  
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  April 21, 2023 2:03pm
- rockape
  
  Now if he had shot a cat there would have been an uproar !
  
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  April 21, 2023 2:15pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Not really, he was handed or collected a firearm on set.
  There are professional armourers who manage that, and the failure was the insanity of there being live rounds/ball ammo along with blanks on set.
  Apparently the armourers were allowing the film gear to be used for plinking/target shooting in break time.
  Insane.
  Was recently on a film set, and working with theatrical armourers. All the loading is done, and then the weapons handed out (i.e blank). The responsibility is on the person doing the loading and distributing the firearms.
  This is because you do end up pointing in the direction of people, which of course is (in NZ) a breach of the rule around ‘always point in a safe direction’. In a film you have to point at people/general direction of people, and pull the trigger.
  
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  April 21, 2023 2:56pm
Prince

The Retirement Commissioner (sorry, Te Ara Ahunga Ora Retirement Commissioner) displays typical naivety in complaining that some employers count their Kiwisaver contributions as part of the Total Compensation Package of employees.
Of course it is part of their package – how does she think it should be accounted for ? Donations ? Kindness ?
Her approach shows the problems this Govt create when they appoint people who have no experience other than a range of Government and quasi-Govt roles.
In fact all private sector NZ companies will count these costs as part of the overall compensation package.
In the real world, hiring people incurs additional costs, such as Kiwisaver, which need to be understood before taking on new people. Other costs are also counted, such a occupancy and IT support, HR support etc etc.

The exception is probably the Government who I suspect don’t know or care what their salaries/benefits/occupancy/IT support costs are for the rapidly expanding bureaucracy. At least it explains why their salaries are significantly over the private sector if they don’t count Kiwisaver contributions as part of an employee’s package.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/131825243/45-of-employers-not-paying-kiwisaver-contributions-on-top-of-earnings-research-shows#cx_testId=904&cx_testVariant=ctrl&cx_artPos=4
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April 21, 2023 12:36pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Sesh, last year.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=1016240645962389
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April 21, 2023 12:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Censorship:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2188883494769720/permalink/2673518416306223/
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April 21, 2023 12:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Maggie Pie was on the money a few days back when she speculated that Meng Foon and Kiri Allan were besties.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131835316/pm-chris-hipkins-defends-meng-foons-donations-to-kiri-allan

Both Meng Foon and Kiri Allan must resign.
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April 21, 2023 12:58pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Just another day in the Labour Camp filled with people with limited integrity……
  
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  April 21, 2023 1:01pm
- Paulus
  
  But darling Kiri is still married to another believed woman, and awaiting re marriage to her current fiance Marni Dunlop of recent RNZ petulance fame, whereby she didn’t get the job she expected.
  
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  April 21, 2023 2:17pm
MCōs

The biggest rocket that ever was explodes after four minutes flight and everyone says it was a rip roaring success.
For all his dosh, Elon Musk has got no clothes, baby.
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April 21, 2023 1:02pm
- NothingLeft
  
  If you want to ensure no test failures (apollo style) in such a project it will cost 2-5x as much and take 3x as long as rapid cycles of build-it-bust-it. SpaceX are masters of cheap fast development – which is why within 15 years they went from struggling to survive startup to $140billion valuation and putting all legacy competitors out of business, and may grow another 10-100x over next few decades
  
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  April 21, 2023 1:09pm
- Ehlana
  
  I heard the Russians tried large rockets some decades back and had 4 explode before they gave up.
  
  I guess rocket science is actually rocket science after all.
  
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  April 21, 2023 1:20pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Hey Cossie….
  You and the missus still believe they went to the moon & back in the 60’s?
  
  LOL!!
  
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  April 21, 2023 1:30pm
  - greybeard
    
    Maggie! when I posted an article on that exact same event a couple of months ago I was roasted by quite a few on this blog. Here it is again. ( Sorry ).
    
    “I am serious. ( Maybe deluded, but serious ).
    JFK said in his speech 12th September 1962 at Rice University in Houston:
    “We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard,” The president promised to put a man on the moon before the end of the decade.
    During the 1960s “Space Race” between USA and USSR the USSR was well ahead, having been the first to do all sorts of things ( Sputnik 1957, dog in space 1957, man in space 1961, etc etc ) and this pissed-off the Americans no end. They were desperate for a victory of some sort. They had stolen most of the brilliant Nazi space scientists but were still trailing their arch-enemies.
    In 1963 JFK was assassinated and in the last year of the deacde, 1969, the Americans were credited with the first moon landing, just as he had predicted.
    And promised.
    And at this point the doubts begin. To save time , from Wikipedia comes this summary:
    “After being sent to the Moon by the Saturn V’s third stage, the astronauts separated the spacecraft from it and traveled for three days until they entered lunar orbit. Armstrong and Aldrin then moved into Eagle and landed in the Sea of Tranquility on July 20. The astronauts used Eagle’s ascent stage to lift off from the lunar surface and rejoin Collins in the command module. They jettisoned Eagle before they performed the maneuvers that propelled Columbia out of the last of its 30 lunar orbits onto a trajectory back to Earth.[8] They returned to Earth and splashed down in the Pacific Ocean on July 24 after more than eight days in space. “
    Perfect. No problems. Just a routine event. Saturn V worked fine, the three-day trip to moon orbit was uneventful, the Eagle had no problems landing, the Eagle’s return ascent stage worked perfectly, the reunion with the command module went without a hitch, Eagle was jettisoned in a routine fashion, Columbia command module was taken out of orbit perfectly and the well-publicised and recorded return to earth was the icing on the cake.
    Jolly good show.
    
    And total rubbish.”.
    Cheers
    
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    April 21, 2023 2:44pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      You can actually buy fragments of the ALUMINIUM FOIL from the Apollo 11 Command-Module that was salvaged after splashdown.
      It was used to protect the Astronauts from the solar rays during their trip from earth to the moon and back.
      
      No one ever went broke praying on the gullibility of the American public.
      
      LOL!!
      
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      April 21, 2023 3:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Somewhere I read of an ‘implosion’ Some fault so it self destructed on command as a safety measure. Only small bit left to fall down.
  All of the fuel! Wow! Does Greta know about this?
  
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  April 21, 2023 2:03pm
- virtualmark
  
  So SpaceX had an embarrassing-but-not-totally-unexpected launch failure. Tesla shares are down 10% today because their financials are looking fragile.
  
  Meanwhile Musk is spending the day shit-posting on Twitter.
  
  If I were a fellow shareholder of his in Tesla or SpaceX I’d be pissed at the amount of time he’s putting into his online vanity/chaos project.
  
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  April 21, 2023 3:28pm
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131835316/pm-chris-hipkins-defends-meng-foons-donations-to-kiri-allan
Time now for Meng Foon to be replaced.
He is completely politically compromised in his position and his integrity is impaired.
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April 21, 2023 1:03pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  his position and his integrity is impaired.
  
  As is Kiri Allan’s
  
  She is the Minister Of Justice…
  
  but received monies from someone who now is working under her aegis.
  
  They both must go.
  
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  April 21, 2023 1:11pm
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Hipkins is defending so it is a non starter for ten.
    Speaking of integrity it is non-existent in Labour. This is a government destroying democracy for the development of tribal feudalism.
    
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    April 21, 2023 1:13pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Stephen Jack posts a couple of supposedly bad taste jokes on social media over a year ago. Gone by lunch time. Meanwhile in Labour clown world…….
    
    That Party is rotten to the core, absolutely rotten.
    
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    April 21, 2023 3:26pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    And here is her Candidate donation declaration.
    
    It’s also not clear what or who is LEC East Coast 17 Manuera Place Whakatane $13k.
    
    LEC East coast isn’t on the companies register?
    
    https://elections.nz/assets/candidate-returns/2020/Labour-Party/2020_Labour-Party_East-Coast_ALLAN_Kiri.pdf
    
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    April 21, 2023 4:30pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      LEC = Labour Election Campaign, I suspect.
      
      But no idea who the donor is.
      
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      April 21, 2023 7:14pm
      - Manu-Rau
        
        Labour Electrorate Committee.
        
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        April 22, 2023 7:12am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Well butter-my-butt and call me a muffin!
  
  Remember last week I asked on GD for one of the girls from tennis, who Meng-the-Merciless came under in the government?
  She wanted to go ‘over his head’ with a complaint.
  
  In the event when I told her it was Kiri, Prue decided not to bother as she thort they were probably besties ….being both from Gizzie and it that.
  
  What a coincidence.
  
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  April 21, 2023 1:15pm
- cas
  
  This is the second time Hipkins has said nothing to see here in relation to Kiri Allen. Is he being held hostage by the Maori caucus?
  
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  April 21, 2023 1:32pm
  - greybeard
    
    Of course he is. And at the same time the judiciary is being held hostage by the gangs, threatening them and their families.
    Why else would so many ferals be let off on detention, or reduced sentences ?
    Time for a real enquiry, not one of those hundreds of Labour-party ones.
    
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    April 21, 2023 4:02pm
- Prince
  
  Hard to see this having legs.
  Everyone knows Foon is a Labourite who hates National/Act.
  And most know this Government is shady at best with their appointments, and more probably just corrupt.
  So no surprises here, just same old…
  
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  April 21, 2023 2:04pm
- kiwikidsnz
  
  Even the Left agree Meng must go
  http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/04/completely-inappropriate.html?m=1
  
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  April 21, 2023 2:20pm
- cmm
  
  In Africa they call this corruption.
  
  And, like Labour, they’d see nothing wrong with it.
  
  As the saying goes: nobody fought in the revolution to get poor!
  
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  April 21, 2023 2:22pm
lifesgood

Way to get depressed – read the General Debate on KB. I can’t work out whether many of the commenters are Labour Party shills or not but what is becoming very clear is that a whole heap on here are quite keen to have this appalling government back at the next election. There is just constant bitching, moaning and carping about what the Nats should do and all the “I’ll never vote for the Nats again” talk. OK, fill your boots people, have Labour/Greens/ Maori back and see how much worse they can make our once lovely land. You need to read Bob Jones column on Luxon. Jones is a life long supporter of Labour but is adamant Nat/Act will win the election, I sure hope so. Go to his blog and search Chris Luxon. You will be surprised…and don’t believe everything you read or hear on the MSM
nopunchespulled.blogspot.com
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April 21, 2023 1:12pm
- Che Guava
  
  Bob Jones may well be right, but we cannot rule out the influence of a nice Central Otago pinot noir in his electoral calculations.
  
  I think it’s fair, and indeed necessary, to robustly critique any politician and party. They have to positively convince us to vote for them, rather than just be the least-worst option.
  
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  April 21, 2023 1:55pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Bob doesn’t drink anymore
    
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    April 21, 2023 2:33pm
    - Che Guava
      
      Sure, at least not until someone re-fills his glass, probably…🤣
      
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      April 21, 2023 3:05pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        No, seriously. He gave it up awhile ago.
        
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        April 21, 2023 4:30pm
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    I agree. I don’t see this blog as a National Party cheer squad. I express my views here about active political and public policy issues. By all means tell me I am wrong. But telling me I am being mean to National will not work.
    
    I am a supporter of the ACT Party for reasons that should be obvious to those familiar with my views. Of course I am sometimes going to criticise the National Party.
    
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    April 21, 2023 3:31pm
    - Che Guava
      
      Yes. Argue the points if you can, rather than denouncing different views solely on the grounds of their difference. We see this phenomenon particularly in geopolitical discussions, where some histrionic dogmatist will start hyperventilating and questioning motives rather than addressing what is being said.
      
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      April 21, 2023 4:08pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  We know who the lefties are, and get along with them most of the time.
  They all have to follow the same rules as us. Must admit today is a bit slow and uninteresting, but Fridays usually are.
  
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  April 21, 2023 2:07pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Why is it so binary as ‘praise National/Vote National/say no ill of Luxon’ or else ‘Labour/Greens/Maori win’?
  And even if National is agreed as least worse, why are folk so worried about others expressing any displeasure with National candidates being censured, or bowing and scraping, or resigning, to appease Twitter and MSM? This does not equate to love for Chippe, Mahuta or Labour.
  Seems to be a very binary view of the world – no nuance.
  No political party is perfect, and some are worse than others. The former statement might be controversial to some here.
  
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  April 21, 2023 3:05pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Thank you for elucidating this topic better than most of us could.
    National Party supporters would do better asking their contacts in the Party if they are aware of this perception of them among some NZers and do they have a plan to address it.
    Against such an awful government, it shouldn’t take more than a couple of tweaks.
    
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    April 21, 2023 3:53pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  What is it about diehard National supporters that they can’t accept any criticism of the party or their apparent policies? You sound like Labour supporters. “Don’t dare criticise our Princess” becomes “don’t dare criticise our Prince”.
  
  What I read is justified concern about perceived direction. What is clear is that something isn’t quite right when the party are apparently struggling to achieve parity with the most disastrous government in history. That’s nothing to do with comments on this blog. That’s to do with the perception of the party among the public.
  
  Yes, the mainstream media are part of the problem. Maybe Luxon could start with an easy announcement, that stopping all funding of media will be a priority of the government if they win power. That should get them at least a couple of points bump in the polls.
  
  I don’t listen to, watch or read mainstream media. I get the words out of Luxon’s own mouth.
  He is in opposition against the worst government in NZ history, if he and the National Party can’t wipe the floor with this shower of shit at the election then don’t blame anyone but them and their strategists.
  A couple of honest questions on Kiwiblog isn’t going to be the reason if they lose.
  
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  April 21, 2023 3:09pm
  - Che Guava
    
    No matter what their politics are, people don’t like having their assumptions and their theoretical frameworks challenged. This is as true on KB as it is on TDB.
    
    Serious challenge implies that they could be wrong, and if they can’t adequately justify their position, then they likely are wrong. However, it is possible to be right but not have the relevant justification at your disposal at the time, but in that case, you still appear to be wrong, which, given that we tend to seek the approval of the group, is just as bad as being wrong.
    
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    April 21, 2023 4:16pm
- Matt Long
  
  Jones thought Luxon gave a good speech,
  Therefore everything about Luxon is great and anyone noticing Luxon’s shortcomings is voting for Labour, there are no other choices.
  
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  April 21, 2023 3:15pm
  - Che Guava
    
    Yes, that is an Ardern-level standard of electability criteria. Good, but not good enough.
    
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    April 21, 2023 4:19pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  I can’t work out whether many of the commenters are Labour Party shills…
  
  Busted! You can see my voting history here at The 80/20 purity rule. Fresh back from the US I voted for Labour in 1999, admittedly only because the wheels had fallen off the Shipley government and I felt that the Clark-Cullen had beaten back the Anderton dinosaurs. Sure, there’d be shit that I wouldn’t like (and there was) but I figured I could live with that for three years. National again starting in 2002 even though they were arguably more useless than in 1999, but I did not want Clark getting 50% .
  
  However, after commenting here under my own name since 2007 I doubt any regular reader would be under any impression that I’m less than right-wing.
  
  And I am not at all impressed with National – and given the small space occupied by Kiwiblog and almost unseen influence of its readership I don’t accept for one moment that the criticism ladled out here will be the reason for National losing this election.
  
  If they do, that’s on them and their strategy, starting with Luxon and Willis.
  
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  April 21, 2023 5:01pm
- Joe Hunt
  
  Bang on lifesgood. I was only saying this to my brother this afiernoon I thought this site had got some sort of anti Luxon virus all of a sudden.
  
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  April 21, 2023 5:18pm
ClanMcleod

Are You a Victim of Menticide? Look for These 10 Signs!

I’m sure we all know at least a few people suffering from this. We were all heavily subjected to it during covid, no wonder so many succumbed.

“Menticide is an old crime against the human mind and spirit but systematized anew. It is an organized system of psychological intervention and judicial perversion through which a powerful dictator can imprint his own opportunistic thoughts upon the minds of those he plans to use and destroy.”

* * *

“Ready made opinions can be distributed day by day through press, radio, and so on, again and again, till they reach the nerve cell and implant a fixed pattern of thought in the brain. Consequently, guided public opinion is the result, according to Pavlovian theoreticians, of good propaganda technique, and the polls a verification of the temporary successful action of the Pavlovian machinations on the mind.”

—Joost Meerloo, The Rape of the Mind (Kindle, paperback, hardcover, audiobook)

10 Signs You’re Suffering from Menticide
If you are a victim of menticide, you don’t know it. That’s the first sign.
Here are nine more signs you can use to identify whether you’re suffering from this reversible condition:

1) You watch television.
2) You read newspapers and magazines.
3) You listen to the radio.
4) You absorb social media immersion campaigns.
5) You follow popular culture.
6) You support the current thing.

https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/letter-to-the-menticided-a-12-step

The good news is it’s reversible.
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April 21, 2023 1:15pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Reversible! 🙂
  Been putting up with menticide for the last 5 1/2 years.
  
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  April 21, 2023 2:10pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Partly a joke above.
    Being mentally able to recognise that you are being messed with is a good start. Doesn’t take long at all for me.
    
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    April 21, 2023 2:21pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Step one of the 12 part programme to get out of the Matrix!
    
    1) Acknowledge that you have been deceived.
    There is absolutely no shame in this—indeed, it is a sign of wisdom, humility, and growth to recognize your bamboozlement and bravely choose to escape the anesthetizing ether of your neurological programming. Say out loud:
    
    “My name is [name], and I am a victim of menticide. I am ready to reclaim my mind and take ownership of my own knowledge.”
    
    Don’t browbeat yourself about having been duped. What’s stupider—doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on your faith in the falsehoods you’ve been swindled into believing or having the strength of character to admit you were fooled and then opening your eyes to reality?
    
    Great start!!
    
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    April 21, 2023 2:40pm
ClanMcleod

The division in society is being deliberately fomented. Some of those causing this are useful idiots, like Ardern, who’s strings were clearly being pulled from elsewhere, not NZ.
The post I put up earlier re menticide goes into the detail around how this is achieved.

Divide and rule has been around a long time. This short video at the end of the Zeitgeist movie explains it well.

Divide and conquer is the motto and as long as people continue to see themselves as separate from everything [and everyone] else they lend themselves to being completely enslaved. The men behind the curtain know this and they also know that if people ever realize the truth of their relationship to nature and the truth of their personal power the entire manufactured zeitgeist they [those in power] prey upon will collapse like a house of cards.

https://youtu.be/zqYLrT_IM20
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April 21, 2023 2:12pm
Jack5

How can the IRD allow a company to get away with not paying GST and income tax for six years, not filing GST returns, and not meeting PAYE requirements for more than a year?

Could Jack the plumber and Jill the PR consultant get away with this?

That’s been the position with A.H. Construction Services, Ltd of Auckland, which put itself into “voluntary administration,” and, despite raising more than $9 million when it auctioned off 350 trucks and other pieces of equipment, failed to raise enough to meet its debt.

The GST and PAYE matters triggered the company’s moving into voluntary administration, said the administrator appointed: Bryan Williams, of BWA Involvency.

A.H.Construction Services’s owners are listed as: Harieta Makarita Singh, Cheyanne Lavaina Tyanna Singh, Gaitri Natasha Singh, and Ajay Narayan Singh – all of 238 Wairau Road, Wairau Valley, Auckland.

They could write a book on the NZ IRD’s radar system.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/131824326/construction-firm-didnt-pay-gst-for-six-years-before-entering-administration
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April 21, 2023 2:20pm
ClanMcleod

Unlike many other posts I’ve put up here or elsewhere on social media in the last couple of years, this one could potentially be classed as “anti vax”. Could be, it isn’t, but some would take it that way.
It’s actually a great discussion re the law of unintended consequences, these were always going to be a major factor during the covid circus.

Because policies were implemented that had never been attempted before, because a long standing pandemic preparedness plan was unceremoniously dumped, because it was a lie to say it was “safe and effective” and it was impossible to know the long term effects without actually waiting a long time to see what they would be. The whole thing was a lie and now the country is a basket case, divided and for the most part, a miserable place.

Anyway, Eugyppius strikes again.

The “non-specific effects” of vaccination, or: How certain vaccines appear to have enduring influences on infections and mortality in the vaccinated unrelated to the viral infections they prevent.
Virus transmission and the human immune system are poorly understood, and interventions to reduce human disease often have a range of unanticipated outcomes.

Unanticipated, but widely predicted by the “conspiracy theorists”.

Viruses and their human hosts together form complex systems, which do not react in predictable ways to simplistic interventions. The entire pandemic has been an extended lesson in this truth. If our thought leaders weren’t such laughable cretins, they might’ve bothered to learn something from the fact that lockdowns don’t have any effect on virus mortality, that allegedly highly efficacious vaccines failed to do anything at all against the circulation of SARS-CoV-2, and that mask mandates – if they’re not merely worthless – now and then seem slightly enhance transmission.

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/the-non-specific-effects-of-vaccination

It’s a relatively involved post, but very interesting reading. I’m currently revising my opinion on all vaccines, even though I’ve had everything except the covid experiment. It’s an eye opening journey, something positive out of Ardern’s mad journey. Her lies and deceptions mean I now question everything. No more unquestioning loyalty or trust.
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April 21, 2023 2:29pm
Cantabrian

For those who earlier today continued their disdain for Chris Luxon, you might get a more balanced perspective from this 30 min interview on Sky News. The interviewer allows him to speak, and he is articulate and clear about where he wants the country to go:
https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/global-affairs/nzs-opposition-leader-sits-down-with-sky-news-australia-in-wideranging-interview/video/fcc88d007062763ccc6d294e7c5dad52
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April 21, 2023 2:52pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  I’ll check it out, cheers.
  
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  April 21, 2023 3:58pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Did not watch all, but NZ media would not even let Luxon talk for 2 minutes.
  Sure, the vid is 26 minutes, but it is not 26 minutes of the reporter’s time.
  
  Why do we get our News from overseas?
  
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  April 21, 2023 4:24pm
Maggie Pie

GG TRENDING

I’m not one to gossip….but this is just TOO HOT to ignore 😛

https://twitter.com/SeanPlunket/status/1649226434899238912

OMG the comments are funnier than anything Guy has ever come up with 😀
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April 21, 2023 2:56pm
graham

Something slightly different … just watched yet another video where people are trying to understand just what on earth possessed Anheuser-Busch to hire Dylan Mulvaney to promote Bud Light.

In the video, Mike Huckabee shows us a video of the President of Marketing for Bud Light. Take a look at the video and skip to the 5 min 14 sec mark to meet this lady.

Remind you of anybody?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlxuJXx8Vvc
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April 21, 2023 3:04pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I don’t read ‘sign’ sorry.
  
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  April 21, 2023 4:56pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The left will not give up on Trump. They are at him all of the time.
James and Bragg have been after Trump for years, way before 2016.
Bragg – a Racist in reverse. I wonder what that is??

https://nz.yahoo.com/news/just-clear-donald-trump-calling-094502499.html
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April 21, 2023 3:16pm
- Mike
  
  When crooks have got away with being crooked all their life, they often get upset at being called to book.
  
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  April 21, 2023 3:24pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    I know, the treatment of poor Jacinda was appalling. How dare they call her out for her lies and deceit.
    Fair call Mike.
    
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    April 21, 2023 3:41pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So you don’t like those three either?
    
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    April 21, 2023 4:58pm
    - Mike
      
      Trump and which two other crooks?
      
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      April 21, 2023 5:03pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Good troll Mike, but the truth is there for all to see, including you.
        
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        April 21, 2023 5:32pm
ClanMcleod

Bwahahaha! Absolute comedy gold on the Daily Skeptic. Perfectly apt for NZ as it seems we share the same pothole problem as the UK.

Here’s a plan for the PM to consider. Declare a national ‘novel pothole’ crisis. Tell the country that potholes are a mortal danger to us all and that no-one is safe until everyone is safe and the last pothole in the land is filled. Point out that potholes pose an especial threat to the poorly, elderly, disabled and other vulnerable groups. Put pressure on coroners to ascribe every road death to potholes. Make sure ‘pothole’ is on the death certificate of anyone who died within 48 hours driving over, past or around a pothole. Close any roads on which any pothole is found, immediately. Also close any nearby adjoining roads, just to be safe and as a precaution. If you live within 500 metres of a pothole you must stay at home to keep everyone safe. Require councils to put signs up everyone reminding everyone of the pothole danger and plaster the message across all forms of media – “one in three potholes are invisible”, that kind of thing. Create a hugely expensive national pothole tracking service. Give daily press conferences at which the numbers of reported potholes and pothole-related deaths are intoned by solemn-looking officials who project future increases in pothole deaths unless stricter measures are taken. Make the public’s life such a misery that they are desperate for a ‘way out’ of the pothole crisis. Demonise any pothole-deniers who think it’s all gone a bit too far, and don’t let them go shopping.

Then… find a mate, let’s call him Tony, who runs a tarmacking business. Or any business. Your local pub landlord, maybe. Give Tony multiple billions of pounds of public money and tell the public that only Tony can solve the awful pothole crisis. A moonshot! Give him three weeks to flatten the roads. Watch him fill some potholes with something that looks a bit like sand, but which he assures you has been proven to be totally safe and effective. Don’t ask any awkward questions or probe too deeply about what’s actually in his concoction, and watch Tony swan off to Switzerland with your cash, boasting at international conferences how he worked at the speed of road-surfacing to solve the crisis. Quietly ignore anyone who points out that most potholes appear not to have been filled, and those that were filled reappear within two or three months. Question the sanity and integrity of anyone who dares to point out that there appear to be more potholes, and road deaths and injuries, than ever before. Declare the pothole crisis over. We’ve just got to learn to live with potholes. Sign up to an international pothole treaty so that if another pothole crisis occurs we can get Tony and his mates in to do the business much quicker next time – and this time no roads will be open until he’s filled them up with the latest version of his specially patented filler.

Hope to high heaven that no-one will hold you to account, and live the rest of your life in utter fear and trepidation that a day will soon dawn when all of your moral cowardice, corruption and callous indifference to human suffering will come back to haunt you.

It’s a winner! Well, it worked for covid didn’t it?????
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April 21, 2023 3:31pm
Albie

Any thoughts as to why Luxon refuses to be interviewed on The Platform?
He allows his MP’s to front every week. I find this very odd, as The Platform was voted the most neutral out of 10 msm companies surveyed recently.
The Green’s and Labour have a blanket ban on appearing, but that’s what you would expect from those gutless pieces of crap. Couldn’t debate their way out of a paper bag.
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April 21, 2023 3:46pm
greybeard

Headlines on “Stuff” at about 4pm Friday 21st April 2023:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/style/300858912/call-the-fashion-police-kanoa-lloyd-and-hilary-barry-wore-the-same-top-at-the-same-time
This one would surely appeal to lots of people in the Queen City.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/kiwi-traveller/300858775/plane-etiquette-should-men-sit-down-to-urinate-on-a-plane
This one would surely appeal to the Green Party, and quite a few from the Labour Party.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/300858566/tenant-who-trashed-auckland-rental-ordered-to-pay-65723-but-itll-take-decades
This one is representative of all of our left-wing dumbo government.
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April 21, 2023 3:53pm
greybeard

RTS: trying to be another SBW
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April 21, 2023 3:57pm
- Che Guava
  
  FFS. AFAIK, there’s only 1 SBW, some say the GOAT, BTW.
  
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  April 21, 2023 4:03pm
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    I can’t understand this adulation for SBW.
    
    He didn’t apply himself consistently enough at rugby, league or boxing to be GOAT of anything.
    
    His impact on rugby was nowhere near as great as that of Conrad Smith or Ma’a Nonu.
    
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    April 21, 2023 5:06pm
    - Frank Hematuria
      
      You should go on YouTube and look at video of SBW’s plays as an All Black. Master of the off-load, previously not unknown but rare in top rugby, and a straight running mid field back. If you don’t see greatness there you don’t know rugby.
      
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      April 21, 2023 6:07pm
- Prince
  
  How much did RugbyNZ and the Blues waste on this bet ?
  
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  April 21, 2023 4:06pm
  - Mike
    
    It’s only money.
    
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    April 21, 2023 5:01pm
Inthe09

Otago Uni having to find $60m in cost savings – blaming a drop in students numbers on Covid and ‘lack of Govt funding’.

Do these people ever look in the mirror? Obviously nothing to do with the courses they offer and people voting with their feet.
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April 21, 2023 6:16pm
Gravelroad

Good grief. Kiri Allen – our Minister of Justice.
What a dismal performance on Te News tonight.
No leadership capacity. Just butt covering.
And to think that when Ms Ardern chucked in the towel as PM, Kiri Allen was put forward as a possible PM or deputy.
No thanks.
Is there no one in this Labour Party outfit with any integrity- at all?
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  Thanks Gravelroad.
  
  I’ve just hunted down that clip and, I agree, a poor showing from the Minister. Answering questions not asked, not answering questions asked, vague almost slippery answers, trying to bring the wife into it as if that makes all the difference.
  
  Not a good look at all.
  
  I’m interested though why there hasn’t been more heat on Meng Foon. Once he was appointed to his role all political donations must stop, surely. Especially donations so heavily in favour of Labour over National.
  
  This looks terrible.
  
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  April 21, 2023 8:37pm
Swifty

Shane Jones in full campaign mode and says a few good things in my view:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y0bkBz3qfFI
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