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krazykiwi

Cotard’s Syndrome: A mental illness whereby a person believes they are dead.

Koro syndrome: A mental illness where a person believes that their penises or vulva or nipples are shrinking into their bodies, and will eventually cause their deaths.

Ekbom’s syndrome: A mental illness where a person believes their skin is infested with insects.

Clinical lycanthropy: A mental illness where a person believes they are turning into an animal.

Clinical boanthropy: Similar to clinical lycanthropy, this is a mental illness where a person believes they are a cow.

Bucy Syndrome: A mental illness where a person has a desire to eat inedible objects, and sexual attraction to inanimate objects such as automobiles.

Now, convince me that a bearded man, born with XY chromosomes and a penis and yet thinks they are a woman isn’t suffering from a mental illness.

Anyone?
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April 20, 2023 8:00am
- slightlyrighty
  
  I see in the UK a female Teacher in a Girls School has had to apologise after her 11 year old students staged a protest after she said “Good Afternoon, Girls!”
  
  Apparently one of the students doesn’t identify as a girl so they all started waving placcards with their pronouns on it.
  
  The teacher was forced to apologise because she can’t force her ideology on these students.
  
  Oh the Fecking Irony!!
  
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  April 20, 2023 8:08am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    And the parents are paying 20,000 GBP a year to send their girls to that school. For that money I would be finding another school. Parents with that kind of money can send them to another country if necessary.
    
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1759118/teacher-forced-to-apologise-class-pronouns
    
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    April 20, 2023 10:03am
  - leoj
    
    Teacher knows what to do…..
    
    Tell the school and board to get stuffed.
    
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    April 20, 2023 10:15am
  - Flossie
    
    If the child does not identify as a girl why on earth are they in a Girls School?!
    
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    April 20, 2023 10:20am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      That sort of sensible question marks you out as an obvious bigot, although you get partial credit for using the correct pronoun “they”.
      
      Your punishment will be reduced therefore, to being only paraded around the town square while people throw rotten vegetable at you 19 times, instead of 20. And they say the left are intolerant!
      
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      April 20, 2023 1:38pm
- Simon
  
  Would Luxon dance at a gay parade if they asked him? Yes he would.
  
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  April 20, 2023 8:17am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Why not, Key did
    
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    April 20, 2023 11:21am
    - Mike H S
      
      And I didn’t find that particularly endearing either.
      
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      April 20, 2023 12:01pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      I liked it when he minced down the catwalk when modeling the new Air NZ male uniforms – priceless!
      
      Reminds me of the joke I was told (by an Air New Zealand steward): “What’s the difference between an Air NZ steward and an agitator washing machine?”
      
      Answer (while mincing down an imaginary aisle with arms in teapot position): “Not much!”
      
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      April 20, 2023 1:40pm
    - Simon
      
      Lol – Key did? He subjugated himself & his office to bullying political correctness. National to the core.
      
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      April 20, 2023 2:47pm
  - Frank the tank
    
    Would he be able to define a women? Last 2 PMs couldn’t.
    
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    April 20, 2023 1:56pm
- Rusty
  
  @krazy
  
  Scary stuff. Our PM is no help when he cant define what a woman is. Yet we are told to follow the science on climate change and covid but don’t follow the science on what a woman is.
  
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  April 20, 2023 8:23am
  - Ignoranus
    
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    The science:
    
    Existence of Anthropogenic Global Warming is a fact. The consequence is less certain but the answer is not at all uncertain.
    
    Existence of a spectrum of sex anatomy/physiology/psychology is a fact. The consequence is less certain and the answer is even less certain.
    
    People are prone to jump on bandwagons: climate deniers are prone to cite cranks who support their ideology; parents of troubled children want to be fashionable.
    
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    April 20, 2023 9:13am
    - Matt Long
      
      Ahh, the voice of authority, who could disagree, follow me leemings.
      
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      April 20, 2023 9:30am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Righto Noel!
        
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        April 20, 2023 1:41pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      “The consequence is less certain but the answer is not at all uncertain.”
      
      What unmitigated bullshit.
      
      There are many ‘answers’ (aka ways to respond to the differing scientific hypotheses), and each and every ‘answer’ is uncertain in terms of implementation options and possible outcomes.
      
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      April 20, 2023 10:14am
    - leoj
      
      What a huge load of excrement.
      
      I bet we taxpayers funded that crap that you were brainwashed with at some woke university.
      
      Get lost!
      
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      April 20, 2023 10:17am
    - mawm
      
      The science:
      
      Existence of Anthropogenic Global Warming is a fact.
      
      That is not how “the science” works. There are many scientific readings, trends, demonstrable facts that do not support the Anthropogenic Global Warming narrative. There are also many “facts” from the global warming believers that are demonstrably false or distorted or manipulated. In science “facts” are debated and tested in an open manner where other scientists are given an opportunity to question the validity of these “facts” and prove or disprove them, and to publish their findings in reputable journals where other scientists can examine them.
      
      Instead we have a cabal of charlatans who get enormous amounts of funding to “prove” that Anthropogenic Warming is taking place. This includes heads of prominent University departments, editors of journals, etc. The press and governments worldwide give them the necessary cover to peddle their side of the story and “the facts”, while those who question their validity are not published, not funded and are derided in the press. This alone should make one suspicious of the narrative and the intent unless of course one does not have an inquiring mind or an understanding of scientific thesis and unquestionably believes “official” propaganda.
      
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      April 20, 2023 10:20am
    - Cassandra
      
      You’ve got the correct nom-de-plume.
      
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      April 20, 2023 10:32am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Yep, a good case of nominative determinism to be sure.
        
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        April 20, 2023 1:42pm
    - Taieri
      
      Existence of a spectrum of sex anatomy/physiology/psychology is a fact.
      Existence of Anthropogenic Global Warming is a fact.
      —————-
      
      Indeed it is. Professor Trofim Lysenko and his disciples established all that quite a while ago.
      
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      April 20, 2023 2:35pm
    - bco90
      
      There is no spectrum of sex anatomy or physionomy. There are those that are male, those that are female. In each of those two groups are those with disorders or defects that cause their sex anatomy and physionomy not to develop correctly. A human whose legs don’t develop to be able to walk isn’t some new species. He’s still a human, but just with a disorder or defect. Similarly with the sexes.
      
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      April 20, 2023 10:44pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    The PM knows what a woman is. He just lacks honesty to declare it for fear of judgement, and that alone renders him incapable of leading.
    
    Oh and a side note on the topic of following. Science can not be followed. It just stands, awaiting interpretation and debate. If science is followed it is no longer science. It has become dogma, and tyrants of all stripes have long used dogma to drive obedience.
    
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    April 20, 2023 9:19am
    - igm
      
      Hipkins is no better than Cunliffe, in fact, being a Mallard protege, he is worse.
      
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      April 20, 2023 9:46am
    - House
      
      Money can be followed.
      
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      April 20, 2023 1:25pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Ardern Syndrome: Believing your are benevolent while being malevolent.
  
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  April 20, 2023 8:23am
  - mandk
    
    I don’t believe Ardern was delusional.
    
    She was smart enough to cultivate a veneer of kindness, but her comments and body language betrayed her on occasion.
    
    She was 100% fake.
    
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    April 20, 2023 9:49am
- Albert_Ross
  
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  Yeah, but so what? Because if your next step, after you extract a concession that trans people are suffering from a mental illness, is to conclude that therefore they should be locked away in a lunatic asylum and subjected to forcible electro-convulsive therapy until they learn to pretend that they are no longer mentally ill – that would be a very different proposition from concluding that therefore they should be treated with kindness and compassion and provided with the medical assistance they need to be able to live with their condition.
  
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  April 20, 2023 8:25am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Has your container load of long bows arrived yet, Albert_Ross?
    
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    April 20, 2023 8:47am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      No idea what your point is there, but it doesn’t seem to answer mine.
      
      Fine, I agree that transgender people are suffering from mental illness. So what? What should be done, or not done, what should change in public policy or in social norms, in consequence to agreement that transgenderism is a mental illness?
      
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      April 20, 2023 9:05am
      - leoj
        
        Simple: Bring back mental asylums.
        
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        April 20, 2023 10:19am
      - krazykiwi
        
        A start might be not criminalising those to try to help the mental illness sufferers to become free of that mental illness. What do you say, Albert_Ross? Good idea?
        
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        April 20, 2023 10:26am
      - slightlyrighty
        
        The WHO only removed Transgenderism from it’s list of Mental Illness in May of 2019.
        
        This, to me was a retrograde step.
        
        If your sense of self is so far removed from observed reality that you feel the need to mutilate yourself to fit that mental image, then to me that is a clear mental disorder.
        
        It doesn’t mean that these individuals should not be treated with dignity and respect, but I am ofetn bemused by the fact than when Biology and Identity do not match, the only acceptable treatment seems to be to mutilate the body, rather than address the identity issue.
        
        The whole notion that in the case of trangenderism, the body is ALWAYS wrong, when stated in this way, just goes to show how crazy the idea is.
        
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        April 20, 2023 10:36am
      - Media hater
        
        At a minimum, that the taxpayer should not have to pay for any transition surgeries.
        
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        April 20, 2023 11:51am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        He was clearly referring to the fact that you were drawing a very long bow when jumping to a conclusion that kk was advocating something he never mentioned.
        
        The fact you couldn’t see that says a lot about your deductive powers and reasoning.
        
        The first thing I’d do if I was King of the World is to stop reinforcing their mental illness by agreeing with them, especially when doing so defies reality, logic, and biology. Forcing the rest of society to accept their alternative reality is even worse for said society, especially children, so I’d definitely start with that.
        
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        April 20, 2023 1:47pm
  - cmm
    
    Come on Albert. Over egging the pudding a bit aren’t you?
    
    Very few mental patients are locked up or given shock therapy (or should I rather cause it treatment as the therapeutic benefits are sketchy).
    
    Most mental patients are treated with kindness and compassion and are helped to live with their condition.
    
    But that does not mean of society bending itself to conform to the mental patients’ views of reality.
    
    My mother was a mental patient (and one who was given shock treatment when it was fashionable). At one stage she believed that plastic bags would cause everyone to die, going so far as to confront supermarket managers about selling rice etc in plastic bags.
    
    Should the supermarket manager have stopped stocking rice in plastic bags?
    
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    April 20, 2023 9:09am
    - Matt Long
      
      Isn’t that extraordinary, I just got an email from MBI explaining that plastic bags are to be banned for much the same reason, looks like your mum was correct all along.
      Unless out current government is collectively insane of course.
      
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      April 20, 2023 9:39am
  - Matt Long
    
    Yes the inevitable cascade of events A Ross.
    If we admit gender dysphoria is a mental illness and stop mutilating children the only alternative is locking people in asylums, tortoring them with electricity and lobotomies.
    
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    April 20, 2023 9:35am
  - Surely Knott
    
    The lie is in the academic concept. Not all are delusional. Because what they are changing is not their “Sex” but their “Gender identity”. And then society have just regularly conflated the terms.
    
    As Hipkins said when asked about womanhood, he said “you can change your Gender Identity. ” Why? Because Gender Identity is a social construct, an idea. That’s why gender can be a spectrum or you can identify with it. It is not science. It is social science.
    
    The problem we have is they have stolen the language of a biologically sexed female aka woman. To make it seem like if you identify as a woman, you are a woman. They are interpreting that bathrooms and sports and prisons are seperate because of Gender, when in fact the Human Rights act doesn’t include gender and recognises separate spaces based on Sex.
    
    They conflate the terms in law because going forward you can change your birth certificate based on your gender. But they are not adding gender as a separate category on the birth certificate. They are changing the record of your sex based on your gender identity.
    
    Gender and Gender identity was invented by one of NZ’s most famous scientists Dr John Money who frankly should have been put in jail for pedophilia see the monstrous study he did on David Reimer that led to David’s suicide.
    
    “Money made the concept of gender a broader, more inclusive concept than one of masculine/feminine. For him, gender included not only one’s status as a man or a woman, but was also a matter of personal recognition, social assignment, or legal determination; not only on the basis of one’s genitalia but also on the basis of somatic and behavioural criteria that go beyond genital differences.”
    
    As a side note, his opinions on pedophilia “Money held the view that affectional paedophilia is caused by a surplus of parental love that became erotic, and is not a behavioural disorder.”
    
    “If I were to see the case of a boy aged 10 or 12 who’s intensely attracted toward a man in his 20s or 30s, if the relationship is totally mutual, and the bonding is genuinely totally mutual, then I would not call it pathological in any way.[54][55]”
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money
    
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    April 20, 2023 10:20am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      The terms sex, gender and gender identity are all exactly the same thing. You cannot have a “gender identity” that is different to your gender without being mentally ill, and your sex and your gender are one and the same. I struggle to understand why this is even up for discussion.
      
      It’s like saying “I have a Nissan Maxima but I like to think of it as a Ferrari Testarossa. I painted it red, and put a new badge on it, and you must all acknowledge it’s a Ferrari and call it that. If you don’t, you’re a bigoted trans-car-phobe.”
      
      Well you’re most welcome to do that, but you’ve immediately signaled to the world that you’re bat-shit crazy, and everybody (except the other delusional Nissan/Ferrari owners) realises it and doesn’t pretend that it’s a Ferrari Testarossa.
      
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      April 20, 2023 1:53pm
      - Surely Knott
        
        Well I disagree a little bit. You could be a feminine man or a masculine woman. So feminine is based on gender stereotypes. But now they are saying that feminine is your identity and you might be a woman. Which I completely agree is wrong and bonkers.
        
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        April 20, 2023 8:40pm
    - bco90
      
      “Because Gender Identity is a social construct, an idea. That’s why gender can be a spectrum or you can identify with it. It is not science. It is social science.”
      
      But what is gender identity that makes it distinct. What separates gender identity from other identities? If it isn’t pinned down to sex, the “gender” part basically becomes meaningless. It’s just identity, which ends up becoming just personality and likes. There are people now who say their pronouns are demon/demon-self, there are others who say their gender is cake because they have a light and fluffy personality (these aren’t trolls either).
      
      If gender identity is a social construct, the moment you disconnect it from sex, it loses all meaning.
      
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      April 20, 2023 10:50pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    and subjected to forcible electro-convulsive therapy until they learn to pretend that they are no longer mentally ill
    
    Well if you think about it these mentally ill people are demanding treatments that are right up there with electro-convulsive therapy. And in fact the practice of cutting off breasts, penises and testicles, and crafting artificial vaginas and penises, plus all the drugs to convince the body that it’s the opposite sex, all to “cure” the mental condition of gender dysphoria, has a long pedigree of horror, You raise the blade, you make the change
    
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    April 20, 2023 11:04am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I saw a sign the other day on a toilet door. It said “Women’s Toilet – No Toms, No Harrys and NO DICKS”…
  
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  April 20, 2023 8:25am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Which present day cabinet minister would you describe as “boanthropic”?
  You-gan?
  
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  April 20, 2023 8:30am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Note sure, but when I read about Bucy Syndrome I did wonder about McAnulty and his beloved ute.
    
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    April 20, 2023 8:45am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  In the USA the Boston Childrens Hospital has a major pediatric gender transition surgical programme for children.
  
  https://www.childrenshospital.org/programs/center-gender-surgery-program
  
  This includes full surgery for young teens.
  
  The parents of these children are cheering them on.
  
  Money drives this in the USA. In New Zealand we just don’t have the surgical and medical teams who could do this or the health insurers who would pay for it.
  
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  April 20, 2023 8:44am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Check out the growth in Pediatric Gender Clinics in the USA. It is child abuse, profiting today from the future misery/regret of adults.
    
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    April 20, 2023 8:55am
  - House
    
    Not yet. There is always ACC to raid and in order to pay.
    
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    April 20, 2023 1:27pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Health insurers? You’re having a laugh. Gender “reassignment” surgery (surely an actionable lie, since your gender is immutable) is paid for by the taxpayer in Outer-rower.
    
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    April 20, 2023 1:56pm
- Widogast Corwin
  
  Just like anorexia in girls. Funny you don’t hear much about it these days.
  
  When a 14 year old who is starving to death says “I am fat”, we don’t agree with her. We put her in hospital. But if she says “I am a boy” we agree and give her testosterone,and possibly a double mastectomy.
  
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  April 20, 2023 8:50am
  - kowtow
    
    How about smokers .
    
    ‘Society’ has decided it’s unhealthy and turned smokers into pariahs .
    Banned it in most places , not even allowing displays.
    
    Ironic , Countdown last summer decked out some shops in all manner of trans flags , colours etc and yet tobacco products can’t be displayed.
    
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    April 20, 2023 8:57am
    - Widogast Corwin
      
      ‘Society’ did not decide smoking is unhealthy. It just is. Evidence 🙂
      
      Sorry I don’t equate smokers with mutilating teens. But I am a rabid ex-smoker 🙂
      
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      April 20, 2023 9:30am
      - leoj
        
        Like smoking, trans genderism is also unhealthy, mentally unhealthy.
        
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        April 20, 2023 10:22am
      - Opie
        
        The difference is, you can quit smoking (it’s quite easy) but you can’t glue your dick back on
        
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        April 20, 2023 11:11am
      - kowtow
        
        opie ;
        
        You could try a stickyourdicktome.
        
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        April 20, 2023 2:01pm
      - Opie
        
        Kowtow – I thought it was called a strapadicktomy…
        
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        April 20, 2023 3:14pm
  - graham
    
    It is madness, and I honestly believe that future generations will look back in utter horror at how our generation behaved in this regard, and question “How could they do it? How could our ancestors be (a) so blinded by ideology as to believe this nonsense, and (b) so willful as to inflict life-changing surgery on children?”
    
    Sadly I don’t know if it will happen in my lifetime.
    
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    April 20, 2023 8:58am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      “How could they do it? How could our ancestors be (a) so blinded by ideology as to believe this nonsense. “ You mean like we look back and wonder how a civilised and highly cultured nation like Germany could end up throwing men women and children into ovens and killing the mentally ill? We’ll just keep watching.
      
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      April 20, 2023 11:01am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Can I suggest you do a bit more research into the treatment of both anorexia and transgenderism?
    
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    April 20, 2023 9:09am
    - Widogast Corwin
      
      Maybe you could give us a precis?
      
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      April 20, 2023 9:32am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Anorexia and bulimia were fads in the 80s. This gender circus is similar. One big difference, the latter is permanently life changing, the former passes after a couple of years.
    
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    April 20, 2023 9:56am
    - Widogast Corwin
      
      “…the former passes after a couple of years.”
      
      Yeah not so much. An acquaintance who was a counsellor worked in an anorexia clinic in Wellington – live in residential. She said it was horrendous. Low recovery rates, a number of deaths. It is mental illness that is difficult to treat. High relapse rates.
      
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      April 20, 2023 11:11am
- WaynelSexton
  
  Anorexic people just identify as fat people.
  They’re not starving, you bigot.
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:38am
- lastmanstanding
  
  IMHO the Maorification of New Zealand will be the downfall of the Left. Pushing all things Maori down citizens throats doesnt put bread of their table. it doesnt give them better health care. it doeant give their children a better education. It doesnt fix the broken water pipes. It doesnt ensure law and order. it doesnt protect the vulnerable of our society.
  
  What it does is enrich a very small group who proclaim they are Maori even if only a small fraction of their ancestry is Maori and the rest is WhiteMotherf…..
  
  But I hope the Left keep pursuing their quest. The longer they go on the bigger the backlash and the further they will be pushed out from their failed attenpt at governing New Zealand.
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:58am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    “Pushing all things Maori down citizens throats doesnt put bread of their table.”
    
    Yet there is muted opposition.
    
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    April 20, 2023 11:19am
- Deane Jessep
  
  You’re looking at this the wrong way KK.
  Unsurprisingly as you are not an estemed purveyor of The Science(TM).
  
  You see, every single one of those syndromes are states of being that our fine medical industry can affirm with medication and/or surgical intervention.
  
  For example the modern accepted affirmation for ‘Cotard’s Syndrome’ is called ‘Voluntary Euthenasia’. A very effective treatment I hear.
  
  ‘Ekbom’s Syndrome’ is treated with ‘Scabies’ (cleverly medicated by withholding Ivermectin).
  
  Repeat after me; “there is no such thing as mental illness”. Repeat 100 times and then go look in the mirror and decide what you really want to be!
  
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  April 20, 2023 10:49am
- igm
  
  Maybe latent perversion is more applicable to weirdos saying they are women.
  
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  April 20, 2023 11:30am
- miltonF
  
  I believe there should be more focus on the reasons behind this transgender movement.
  
  Taking conspiracy theories out of the equation (depopulation program), I can’t help but notice there is a lot of money involved. The surgeries, the pharmaceuticals, the psychiatrists, the paid activist groups etc. This is a quickly growing and highly profitable industry.
  
  All of this makes me consider the larger macro-economic picture. Technology and processes are constantly improving, reducing the overall demand for labour in society. The reality is that there is much less “productive” work available in society. If there is no way to earn an income productively, then you must earn an income through deception.
  
  I hypothesise that we are seeing massive growth in deception based industries due to technological improvement. There are simply too many people and not enough “real” work for them to do. I really don’t see how we escape from this predicament without having a UBI (which may cause other issues) or by reducing the population, which conveniently brings me back to the trans depopulation agenda.
  
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  April 20, 2023 2:01pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  “Ekbom’s syndrome: A mental illness where a person believes their skin is infested with insects.”
  
  Quite common with meth heads I believe.
  
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  April 21, 2023 11:41am
The Redbaiter

Time for the ultra woke duo of Luxon and Willis to quit and hand the leadership over to some rough hard men.

Apparent that if this doesn’t happen, the mainstream media will be selecting all of National’s candidates for them.

That might please Andrea and the rest, but it won’t win National the election. Things have to change.
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April 20, 2023 8:01am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Who exactly are these people who would vote for a National led by rough hard men, but not National led by Luxon? Where will they switch from, ie who will they vote for if National continues under its present leadership? And what makes you think that they outnumber those who would switch away?
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:13am
  - The Redbaiter
    
    The media hated Wayne Brown. (and still hate him) They went after him before the Auckland Mayoral election but he wasn’t cowed.
    
    He fought back. On one occasion he called them a pack of drongos. He won the Mayoralty with a 30% margin.
    
    Luxon and Willis are trying to change the character of the National Party to appease the woke media. Because they actually agree with the woke media.
    
    By aligning themselves with the despised MSM, they are sabotaging National’s chances of winning what should be an un-loseable election.
    
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    April 20, 2023 9:37am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      No, they are trying to doge the vulgar hit job by organised [deleted] from other parties and rotten paid for media
      
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      April 20, 2023 11:27am
      - The Redbaiter
        
        G- “they are trying to doge the vulgar hit job by organised [deleted] from other parties and rotten paid for media”
        
        People with more than two brain cells understand that it is Luxon and Willis (and their wokeness and nauseating need to apologise and grovel) who are opening the door to these kind of attacks.
        
        Good hard Southland farmers would laugh in the media’s face. Like Wayne Brown did.
        
        Ms Willis has to go. She has been tolerated for far too long in a party she really has no business being in.
        
        Get the Southland farmers’ vote back to National at least.
        
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        April 20, 2023 11:55am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Redbaiter 11.55AM
        I don’t care what your hypnosis on other people is, fact is there are two choices, you can stick your opinion, if you won’t accept other have differing opinions.
        
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        April 20, 2023 1:06pm
      - mawm
        
        G – did you stop for one minute to think about why those elderly people at an ACT meeting were there? These would be voters who for years have automatically put a tick next to National. Hmmm….
        
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        April 20, 2023 5:32pm
    - Frank the tank
      
      No in actuality I’m comfortable with this approach. I was one of those voters that voted for National every election until now. Last 3-4 cycles I have been having internal debates as to why as my politics is more suited to the hard right hand side of Act.
      
      Don’t get me wrong Act isn’t perfect by a long stretch but they are far better than National, don’t have an army of middle management corporate woke like National and have better policies by the main. @ 10%+ means it is now not a wasted vote.
      
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      April 20, 2023 2:03pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    [deleted], he is organised by ACT yo create trouble with Nat voters, no point saying they haven’t got these foot soldiers , because my mate was one of them until he realised what they were trying to do so has changed his vote away from ACT
    
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    April 20, 2023 11:26am
- igm
  
  Andrew Bayly, Mark Mitchell, Judith Collins, et al, run rings around current woke weak leadership of National.
  
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  April 20, 2023 10:17am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    And how did Collins go down on the hustings? That’s right, like a cup of sick
    
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    April 20, 2023 11:28am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Not a fair fight.
      
      During the zenith of CovidCult Jesus would have been polling sub 35%.
      
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      April 20, 2023 2:05pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    Andrew Bayly???
    
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    April 20, 2023 5:36pm
- leoj
  
  Luxon – meek.
  
  Willis – would be happiest in the Labour Party.
  
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  April 20, 2023 10:24am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yep things have yo change alright, [deleted] ACT voters have to accept others have differing opinions
  
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  April 20, 2023 11:24am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Labour are doing a great job at turning the right against itself aren’t they.
    
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    April 20, 2023 1:27pm
    - mawm
      
      I personally thing that someone from Dunedin is achieving it on his/her own.
      
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      April 20, 2023 5:35pm
slightlyrighty

In Case anyone is wondering why the Nats are not announcing too many policies.

31 March: National announces target of doubling renewable energy production.

20 April: Labour announces changes in RMA to Fast Track Renewable energy Projects.

23 March: National announces Education policy including focus on Literacy and Numeracy, with a return to standardised Testing to make sure that students are achieving.

19 April: Labour announces new education policies stating they are slowing down the pace of change, with a focus on Literacy and Numeracy, while bringing back new standards.

It’s so obvious that Labour are simply copying the homework from Labour, and yet the MSM is not calling them out on it.

I would be keeping my powder dry as well if I were the National Party. It’s no good feeding ideas to a government bereft of their own.
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April 20, 2023 8:04am
- krazykiwi
  
  It’s so obvious that Labour are simply copying the homework from ~~Labour~~ National?
  
  If Labour can copy National’s policy then it demonstrates just how far left National have careered in pursuit of The Centre™
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:04am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    National and Labour have always been parties that flirt with the extremes, and then go back to the center.
    
    It’s just that with MMP, they have been able to outsource the less centerist politics to the minor parties.
    
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    April 20, 2023 9:22am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Read above, and then read what you wrote.
    
    If National’s policy of improving literacy & numeracy along with standardised testing is left wing Labour think, then:
    
    1. There is no pleasing you!; and
    2. The rest of us are already sunk!
    
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    April 20, 2023 9:23am
- cmm
  
  Let’s stop with this bullshit that National or Labour “own” their policies.
  
  No they don’t.
  We pay their salaries. We own their policies.
  
  If good policies are being enacted then who cares who they come from or who enacts them?
  
  But many people, and it seems to include yourself, see this as a political version of a footie match with one team having spies to see what the other team’s special moves are.
  
  But I don’t see their policies as really being good (or even their own).
  
  Woods : We’re going to build a 150MW solar farm next to Christchurch airport which will run 125000 pipe warmers (if the sun is shinning) and blind pilots coming in to land.
  National: Bah. We’ll build 300MW! And we’ll also blind drivers on the road. And we will streamline the consent process so drivers can’t complain.
  
  I have yet seen a bunch of cohesive and well constructed policies from National. Instead they seem to just be slinging shit and seeing where it will stick.
  
  Just over a year back Melissa Lee was talking about her vision for addressing IT shortages in NZ. Then what? Crickets.
  
  National seem to have completely lost their way. They might win, but winning should not be the goal.
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:30am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    The problem is that Labour aren’t stealing the policies because they’re good policies, they’re doing it to take the wind out of National’s sails so they can win the election. It’s just dishonest electioneering. They think voters are stupid. Unfortunately, many voters are stupid.
    
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    April 20, 2023 10:29am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  Yes I heard the Minister of Education trying to explain this yesterday. She said the “whole sector” agreed that focusing on numeracy and literature was a great idea. So why is it just a great idea now instead of for the last 20 years?
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:34am
  - Bob
    
    for the last 20 years?……
    or even the last 5 1/2 years of this government.
    Basically when it comes to Policy, Hipkins and sycophants are waiting to be ‘spoon feed’ by NATIONAL; the Liebour lot don’t even know which end of the spoon to hold, so can’t feed themselves.
    
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    April 20, 2023 11:31am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The same people rubbished it last week
    
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    April 20, 2023 11:32am
- rockape
  
  At least we now have National setting the agenda and that matters!
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:47am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Exactly, and the bulk of their policy will come after the budget, apparently education has 4 parts to it, so Labour rush to say maths snd reading after rubbishing it last night, no one is saying good on them, the people are not listen to these fakes anymore
  
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  April 20, 2023 11:31am
Grunter

Cranmers latest on 3-waters
https://open.substack.com/pub/cranmer/p/hipkins-puts-three-waters-back-on?r=7myba&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post

Te Mana o te Wai Statements will legally have to be put into effect by the new water entities. These will be written by local tribes, the same people that will also be on the co-governance “board” that directs the management board on direction and strategy. This just keeps getting stinkier and stinkier….!!!
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April 20, 2023 8:05am
- Cantabrian
  
  Too often this aspect of the reforms is overlooked/ignored by commentators, who just focus on the compisition of Boards. Yet TMOTW statements are the ‘power behind the throne’.
  
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  April 20, 2023 8:55am
- Ehlana
  
  Yes, and when it comes to borrowing to fund all the infrastructure Labour claim we can’t afford without this system, it will be the same as you going to your bank for a mortgage and declaring that I, or someone related to me, might decide you can’t use your house anymore at some point in the future.
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:16am
Frank the tank

The economy is in tatters; our education system third world; our health system resembles a sub-Saharan dictatorship; our CBDs reflect the set of Black Hawk Down; and the elite of this want to re-define democracy……..

yet the biggest story today is the social media account of a potential National party MP.

F*ck the media and the horse they rode in on.
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April 20, 2023 8:06am
- kowtow
  
  Yep , while the Whoreald plastered Posie Parker visit on the front page the charging of a 20 year old man with assault on an elderly woman at the far left riot merits only a small paragraph on p 7.
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:02am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Remember it’s OK if the left do it.
    
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    April 20, 2023 10:18am
- Prince
  
  Repeating a poem that compares Ardern giving money to The Mongrel Mob to Hitler funding the SS = Shocking, disgraceful, appalling.
  Writing a poem that call for Maori to murder white people with pig-hunting knives = wonderful art that deserves Government funding.
  
  A strange world we live in.
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:31am
krazykiwi

Still more annexation of civil liberties in support of an accelerating global power play: New York City to Track Personal “Food Choices” Using Credit Card Data

Yesterday, New York City announced its plan to track the “food choices” of New Yorkers using credit card data from individual store purchases. According to the mayor, tracking individual food choices is a step towards “reducing the CO2 output” of New Yorkers.
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Eric Adams, of course, is not serving New Yorkers, whom he did not even consult. He is serving his sponsors, demanding that food and other personal expenditures be tracked to advance climate goals. The World Economic Forum proposed tracking personal CO2 consumption in its infamous “My Carbon” agenda article.
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The WEF explains that tracking individual choices was always met with resistance. Fortunately for the WEF, the Covid pandemic, caused by a mysterious lab-made pathogen, changed this calculation and, according to the WEF, allowed us to extend “pandemic measures” into consumption tracking due to greater social acceptance of the governmental intrusion into our personal lives.
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On Monday, Adams acknowledged that interrogating people’s food choices would be difficult. “I don’t know if people are really ready for this conversation,” he said.

I’m not ready for that, or any such conversation. Get the hell out of our lives you megalomaniacal WEF acolytes.
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April 20, 2023 8:06am
- Simon
  
  Biden Admin aims to implement a central bank digital currency (CBDC) to bring about a cashless society, allowing them to track everything we purchase & control our money. Gov’s “FedNow” system is needed first step to achieve their dream of cashless society
  
  https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1645744167770005505?cxt=HHwWgoDR8bvm7dYtAAAA
  
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  April 20, 2023 8:14am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Simon, Biden doesn’t need legislation, it is already here, or do you still do all your payments with the cash you store under your mattress?
    
    Govt’s already have access to our bank accounts, so what is new?
    
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    April 20, 2023 9:47am
  - mawm
    
    I’m sure NZ is well down the path of planning our CBDC – all in line with ensuring that the rest of the world looks upon us as an exemplary country (and that there will be jobs in the UN, IMF, World Bank, WEF and WHO).
    
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    April 20, 2023 1:03pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  This is what the CDBC will bring. The CCP style social credit system whereby the ‘powers’ that be can decide what, where, how much and who can buy….
  
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  April 20, 2023 8:24am
- Inandout
  
  kray, that wouldn’t work well in NZ because many ‘shoppers’ merely walk out without paying.
  
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  April 20, 2023 8:27am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Walmart Closing
    
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    April 20, 2023 9:07am
    - Bridgenag
      
      Hey KK How did you manage to get the cartoon link like that? I copy links as instructed from the interesting sites but mine are cumbersome. The mods said Ok but I would appreciate some instruction.
      
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      April 20, 2023 10:40am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Have a look at W3Schools, there is a section on links. Be fussy with the formatting – no leading or trailing spaces in link URLs (web addresses), and make sure quotes (“) are the ‘straight’ type rather than fancy open and close quotes.
        
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        April 20, 2023 12:26pm
    - mawm
      
      There is something wrong with that cartoon. I just can’t work out what.
      
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      April 20, 2023 1:06pm
  - cmm
    
    Security will first check that you haven’t exceeded your carbon budget in the shoplifted goods, but they won’t make you pay for them.
    
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    April 20, 2023 9:34am
- farbeyond
  
  Just imagine if the government tells you what drugs you ought to get, and keeping track of it and everywhere you go, and they inflict punishments for non-compliance… oh, wait…
  
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  April 20, 2023 8:29am
  - leoj
    
    Yup. We thought it was coming but it is already here.
    
    Wake up people!
    
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    April 20, 2023 10:28am
- Nickc2
  
  When we transition to Digital Currency, the Govt could establish an entity that can control what Work Output Units you can exchange for Govt approved foodstuffs and everything else for that matter. It goes without saying, this will depend on where they have digitally placed you in their Social Acceptance Structure.
  
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  April 20, 2023 8:36am
- Ehlana
  
  Umm, if you want to know what food New Yorkers eat, just look at the food on sale in New York?
  
  The stores wouldn’t be stocking it if they couldn’t make a profit selling it.
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:17am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Oh no, another conspiracy theory bites the dust…..
  
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  April 20, 2023 10:02am
- House
  
  There is a Wellington based software company working with the banks to help consumers map their carbon dioxide emissions through what they spend and sending out advice on how to improve.
  Sounds just lovely until it gets used in future to penalise people for whatever the powers that be determine to be poor spending decisions.
  Social Credit score anyone?
  
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  April 20, 2023 1:43pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

There was a TV program were one guy thought he was invisible, because nobody talked to him!

XY is not a Woman, full stop
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April 20, 2023 8:07am
- Frank Thomas
  
  That reminds me of the story of the guy in the US who tried to rob a bank wearing no disguise. When he was caught, he was genuinely surprised that he was identified as he has smeared his face with lemon juice thinking he’d be invisible. No, I’m not making this up, Google it
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:25am
  - Matt Long
    
    Mental illness and delusional thinking is way more common than many think.
    
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    April 20, 2023 9:45am
    - Frank Thomas
      
      So true. Can’t believe how many people buy into it. Would be interesting to know what percentage actually believe it vs those who nod their heads in agreement to keep the peace but are thinking wtf planet are these people on?
      
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      April 20, 2023 10:17am
    - leoj
      
      ….starting with the trans folk……
      
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      April 20, 2023 10:29am
Taieri

Anyone?
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112 Members of NZ Parliament say so.

“Performing conversion practices intended to change or suppress someone’s (…), gender identity, or gender expression is now illegal in New Zealand.”

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/02/conversion-therapy-practices-now-illegal-in-new-zealand-after-law-passes-final-hurdle-in-parliament.html

Also…

“A self-identification process for people to amend the sex on their New Zealand birth certificate was enacted in December 2021.

The self-identification process will be available from 15 June 2023, and is important to transgender, intersex, nonbinary and takatāpui people.”

https://www.dia.govt.nz/bdmreview—recognising-gender-on-birth-certificates
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April 20, 2023 8:08am
- Matt Long
  
  this illustrates my earlier post that Mental illness and delusional thinking is way more common than many think.
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:47am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  So a boy thinks he is a girl. Goes to counsellor. If counsellor says “Really?” they can be prosecuted. Yes that makes total sense 🙁
  
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  April 20, 2023 10:17am
- mawm
  
  WTF -“It will also be an offence to perform conversion practices on anyone”. What does this word salad actually mean? No puberty blockers, no surgical mutilation? The Jehovah’s Witnesses can’t knock on my door? Why don’t they just say what they mean.
  
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  April 20, 2023 1:22pm
Paulus

Am not surprised to see that the Minister of Education and her Teacher sycophants have decided to “delay” the upgrading of NCEA as the Teachers are finding it to difficult to implement it in “such a short time”.
Remember that this was trialed last year to ensure of the veracity of the educational upgrade.
The results were an absolute failure indicating the quality of our education and Teachers were abysmal.
So now they are running away whilst they can –
A very sad indictment of our Children’s futures.
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April 20, 2023 8:16am
- RoboRob
  
  Heard the minister on the radio last night. Couldn’t make head or tails out of what exactly was being delayed or imoplemented. It wasn’t that she was dodging hard questions, I had the feeling she didn’t really know herself.
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:00am
  - Paulus
    
    Whadda ya mean, our Education Minister was a Primary School Principal, so she knows all the angles from many years practice.
    
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    April 20, 2023 10:05am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      She was principal at Tauranga high school, she it’s utter crap, but no point saying she is a primary teacher
      
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      April 20, 2023 11:34am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        She was a Primary School Teacher…
        
        She was Principal at Merivale School for 11 years.
        
        https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/merivale-school-farewells-principal-turned-mp-jan-tinetti/27MUPXX453CS5WDQCJT6JQOIAU/
        
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        April 20, 2023 12:53pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Maggy Wassilieff 12.53PM
        That maybe so, but she was also Principal at Tauranga girls high school, or was that lies by her?
        
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        April 20, 2023 1:09pm
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    She kept saying she was “pausing” things to give teachers “space”. I reckon she had no clue 🙂
    
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    April 20, 2023 11:21am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  But there was no delay when the 5th Labour Government shoved the NCEA qualification at schools in 2002.
  
  This “World-leading” way of assessing our students has proved to be a dog….and it seems you can graduate with a host of NCEA Level 1,2, & 3 subjects but lack the basics of literacy, numeracy and writing.
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:00am
Maggy Wassilieff

I wonder why this interactive on NZ’s soaring food prices has been published on the Guardian website..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/datablog/ng-interactive/2023/apr/19/food-costs-soar-in-new-zealand-see-how-prices-have-changed-with-this-interactive-chart

You’d have thought RNZ and “Stuff” would have loved to publish it.
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April 20, 2023 8:21am
- Jack5
  
  A sad day when NZ’s bought news media is further Left than the Grauniad, the nickname of the Left-wing Guardian, earned by its spelling.
  
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  April 20, 2023 10:53am
G152

Well now we have a case proven where the media lie how about that Russia fraud getting pursued just to prove how unbiased the law is.
I wont hold my breath
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April 20, 2023 8:21am
Dougal10

Robbos figures must be looking really bad !!! The media are wetting themselves over a “bloke” from down south that was going to be a national candidate in a labour stronghold seat . His crime was sharing jokes on social media .
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April 20, 2023 8:31am
- Nickc2
  
  Dr. Robin Hood (Grant Robertson) is also trying to divert attention away from his abysmal handling of our economy by promoting the possibility that NZ hold the 2034 Commonwealth Games.
  Has he considered that like himself, there may be no Commonwealth in 2034 or NZ may have withdrawn from the Commonwealth under a Labour Govt edict?
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:00am
  - Paulus
    
    The talk was not to hold the 2034 Commonwealth games in New Zealand, but it was said as Aotearoa – wherever that is.
    
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    April 20, 2023 10:14am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, but that will fade quickly, dying government’s usually try this bullshit
    
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    April 20, 2023 11:36am
- RoboRob
  
  Interesting you say that. Tons of bad economic news out recently and not a peep from Robertson. Suddenly yesterday we have news about interest (note they haven’t even done the feasibility study yet)in the commonwealth games in 11 years. Suddenly Robertson is back from the dead and in the media talking about it. Convenient distraction or coincidence?
  
  Which political party spends years digging dirt on opposition MPs and has a leader who was once ‘caught’ flying to Australia to get dirt from the Aussie labour party. Who could have found the ‘bad’ social media posts from the National MP and passed that on to journalists?
  
  I believe the latest inflation numbers are to be released today. Is it a coincidence this is happening now?
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:10am
  - nathie
    
    Imagine being a senior Minister in the Ardern/Hipkins Labour Governments.
    
    They wake up each day preparing and practicing to deliver distractions, lies and gaslighting.
    
    Wouldn’t be surprised if the morning taken up spending hours and hours with their Comms teams perfecting their scripted answers and attack lines followed by an ample morning tea of course, which is the cue for the comms team to return to work to their offices to email the nation’s news editors about today’s Labour govt agendas, talking points and just quietly some tips like any dirt dug up on National and ACT politicians and also wannabe candidates.
    
    Mind you there probably is a second smaller group that simply don’t need to waste their time doing this each morning, they simply make themselves unavailable day after day, week after week, so they are not held accountable whenever there are problems with their portfolio. Looks like the likes of Minister of Corrections Kelvin Davis has this art perfected!
    
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    April 20, 2023 10:36am
- Paulus
  
  Robbo on TV last evening looks as though he needs a shave, and probably a bath – he looked very old, drawn and dreadful – conscious ? – no way, like Cullen.
  Assume he cannot wait until October to get out to a List Seat, as Labour would been humiliated, and he is not on the stage.
  
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  April 20, 2023 10:10am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The joke about him liking his woman 19 and easy to spread was his, the second strike was the shared joke about natzi Ardern
  
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  April 20, 2023 2:17pm
Tony Stuart

Paul Goldfinch, National Party Justice spokesman writes:

New Zealand is one of the world’s oldest continuous democracies. Of this we are rightly proud.

One of the pillars of democracy is that every adult has an equal say in who governs them, and through that vote, an equal say in important government decisions affecting their lives.

Some of those decisions are about water, which is essential for life. All of us have a shared interest in the reliable supply of clean drinking water, efficient wastewater systems and resilient stormwater – the so-called “Three Waters”.

But the idea of an equal say in civic and national affairs – which most Kiwis have taken for granted for decades, is under direct attack by the Labour Government.

The current example is the Three Waters reforms – however rebranded. The Government proposes 10 new entities that will oversee local water services, guided by boards appointed by representative groups that are 50 per cent Māori and 50 per cent everyone else.

The minister in charge, Kieran McAnulty, concedes that the proposals have moved away from a one-person, one-vote approach to democracy.

He followed up with the extraordinary statement: “There are provisions that we have in this country that wouldn’t stand up to a purely academic democratic framework, but that’s not how we work in New Zealand.”

The view that honouring the Treaty of Waitangi requires 50:50 decision-making between Maori and everyone else has been adopted by the Labour Government for the water reforms.

The National Party rejects that view because 50:50 co-governance in matters of important public policy is inconsistent with equal voting rights and equal standards of citizenship.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/paul-goldsmith-where-labours-idea-of-co-governance-leads/AOWIQBFN2JCS5APDW4QCHBLTEQ/

Sadly, this piece from Goldsmith resides behind the Herald’s paywall. I say “sadly” because it is a piece that should be read far more widely than by those who subscribe to the Herald. I’m tempted to post the whole piece, lengthy though it is, bit I would likely incur the wrath of DPF and his moderators, and rightly so.

But I will post Goldfinch’s conclusion, because it clearly articulates National’s position on co-governance:

If the logic holds at local government that Māori votes should carry more weight than everyone else’s, how long is it before an argument is made for changes at the central government level? Perhaps an Upper House with 50:50 representation?

Ultimately, this takes New Zealand in the direction of two standards of citizenship.

Show me another country in the world that works well and has different standards of citizenship, based on ethnicity.

National supports public services being delivered the best way to meet need, and in many cases Māori providers will do the best job. But National does not support the co-governance of public services, or separate systems for Māori and non-Māori. National supports one standard of citizenship for all.

Meantime, Prime Minister Chris Hipkins, like his predecessor, has never explained or justified the Canterbury Bill and has failed to put forward a coherent explanation for the 50:50 arrangements in the Three Waters legislation. He plays the latter down as advisory, which is nonsense.

But what is despicable is New Zealand’s Prime Minister characterising opposition to his Three Waters proposals as “dog whistle racism”.

Mr Hipkins dishonours his office by heading a government that makes profound constitutional changes, without explaining or justifying them, and lazily denouncing any criticism as racism.

We all deserve better than that.

Paul Goldsmith is not the most eloquent speaker, but when he puts his and National’s views in writing, he makes a very compelling argument.
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April 20, 2023 8:35am
- cmm
  
  Why do we still have the non-democratic Maori seats then?
  
  The purported reason to have them went away about 150 years ago, yet no National government has had the balls to do away with them.
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:39am
  - kowtow
    
    Key campaigned on getting rid of them. Then signed a power sharing deal with them and help prompt this co governance nonsense.
    
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    April 20, 2023 10:10am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    The Maori seats do not violate universal suffrage. A Maori person voting in a Maori electorate has the same influence on the composition of Parliament as me.
    
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    April 20, 2023 10:39am
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      There is not universal suffrage if you are not voting for the same roll.
      
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      April 20, 2023 11:03am
    - mawm
      
      Are the Maori electorates the same size as those for the rest of us?
      
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      April 20, 2023 1:34pm
    - kowtow
      
      How does a race based seat with a race based voter qualification fit in with the concept of ‘Universalism”.
      
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      April 20, 2023 2:06pm
- leoj
  
  Nice try…..but National are not the answer.
  
  Too weak, too woke, too late.
  
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  April 20, 2023 10:32am
Maggie Pie

Even my partner’s mum was disappointed to read the OTT reaction to Stephen Jacks little jokes. Particularly the reaction from Nicola Willis.
As ma said…. “the country has been taken over by a bunch of woke humorless twats”!

She couldn’t help herself and retweeted her pennies-worth… 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/UltraDane/status/1648444911090532354
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April 20, 2023 8:36am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Then stick with Labour then, there is two choices, no matter what you say, ACT will never be a large party
  
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  April 20, 2023 11:38am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Perhaps although take a look at the demise of traditional center right establishment parties in Europe over the past decade under proportional electoral systems of governance. Not many are now >25%.
    
    As much as Act will never be a major party National voters such as yourself need to get your head around the fact National’s ceiling is 35% under the current type of leadership and you will always need strong support parties. We ain’t coming back for woke, corporate shrills.
    
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    April 20, 2023 2:35pm
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    Why would I vote for the National Party when the policies of ACT far better align with my views?
    
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    April 20, 2023 3:11pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The joke was not what shafted him, it was the fact he said he likes his woman 19 and easily spread
  
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  April 20, 2023 11:39am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Did he break any laws, recommend any illegal activities?
    
    The likes of Luxon, Willis and Bishop will need to be squeaky clean over the next 5 months or so.
    
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    April 20, 2023 2:37pm
Bridgenag

Weed Killer and Autism (ASD) or ADHD?
Dessicants are contaminating our food supplies

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/weed-killer-and-autism-asd-or-adhd?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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April 20, 2023 8:38am
- Dougal10
  
  People are always trying to point the finger. Some things just happen for no reason and nothing is to blame.
  
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  April 20, 2023 8:51am
  - Matt Long
    
    Most things are a consequence, a lack of consequential thinking typifies children and those who vote left.
    
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    April 20, 2023 10:04am
Chris R

Commonwealth Games 2034? Yawn! NZ with Australia ought attend the Asian Games which is a better/larger event and is attended by our close neighbours.
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April 20, 2023 8:38am
- Rusty
  
  @Chris.
  
  Give it to Wellington and let them spend tens of millions of dollars upgrading facilities and infrastructure.
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:16am
- Paulus
  
  It will be allright if Grant is in charge – after all the costs of the Games in 2032 will be borne by the people of Aotearoa as has already said – not New Zealand.
  
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  April 20, 2023 10:17am
Matt Long

Another belated reply for Mark Hanley, I’m a bit mystified as to why he is asking me about policy and philosophical differences between ACT and National.
A repost of his post might help.

Which National (ACT) policies do you believe will transform NZ, why? and how do they differ from Labour’s (National’s?

What senior Cabinet (management) positions was Luxon (Seymour) promoted to and what is his experience implementing large scale change in large scale organisation’s successfully?

Which positive National (ACT) policies were implemented in their last term of goverment which still exist today?

How does baseless name calling of Hipkins, Labour, (Luxon, National,) and anyone who asks for the detail you believe supports your position help National (ACT)?

We wouldn’t want voters to fall into the trap of voting for a party without assessing their polcies and their talent to implement policies again would we
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April 20, 2023 8:38am
- Matt Long
  
  The top three in National are all from the wet side of politics.
  Luxon’s commitment to zero carbon, and his making use of a natural disaster to push his zero carbon agenda are terrible for New Zealand.
  His embracing of the COVID mandates was terrible. It unfortunately shows the man he is.
  Chris Get Boosted Bishop doesn’t need expanding on.
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:16am
- Matt Long
  
  Incidentally, often when people are saying, no National aren’t a centre left party committed to embedding UN Agendas and variations of co governance and race based privilege, along comes Wayne Mapp to contradict them, saying yip, yip, that’s what it is.
  Is Wayne actually a Russian troll farm interfering with our elections trying to get hard centre ACT into government.
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:27am
Yvette

Wat3rs

■ Why has the largest “old” Entity A – Auckland / Northland, serving 1,725,850* people – not been split into anything less?

■ And is that because Waikato Tainui‘s Tukoroirangi Morgan has been appointed – although out of his rohe, the home territory of a particular iwi or tribe – to lead the northern Three Waters iwi representative body?

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[*] figure from https://www.russellmcveagh.com/insights/june-2021/three-waters-four-new-entities-proposed
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April 20, 2023 8:42am
I remember when

Has the Wairarapa become an experiment into ways to disrupt all traffic flow.
Having successfully destroyed any pleasure in motoring south of Masterton, for the next who knows how long, they are now starting on the State Highway north.
Add in the Pahiatua Track being closed from 9 am to 4 pm daily and your cup overflowth.
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April 20, 2023 8:56am
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/131818715/climate-protesters-block-traffic-in-central-wellington
Maybe if the police removed the protestors without using acetone they would stop their nonsense.
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April 20, 2023 8:56am
- alex Masterley
  
  Put cones around them and leave them there for a couple of days.
  That would sort them.
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:13am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Indeed. Sitting in your own piss and shit gets somewhat unpleasant after a day or two.
    
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    April 20, 2023 1:42pm
- Ehlana
  
  The punishment for these folks should be to glue them to seats and require them to travel all around New Zealand on our regional bus services. Then, just to drive the lesson home, glue them to one of the push-pull trolleys they have on the railways and make them travel the railways all around the country.
  Perhaps real life experience of the differences between the two will help them understand why their ideas are just plain silly.
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:21am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  How long before these clowns encounter a driver rushing to a family emergency or taking a sick child to a doctor? It will end in violence.
  
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  April 20, 2023 10:45am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I bet they didn’t block the bike lane
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Dominion Voting Machines.
The other day we were discussing this and how votes could be flipped, even by a normal computer user like me. A am not IT, and far from it. I have assembled computers starting with an empty box, but that is it.
Anyway, I found the video. Note that my Facebook removed it without saying a word.

https://roccistuccishow.com/cybersecurity-expert-confirms-sql-software-on-voting-machines-and-manipulation-of-votes-on-dominion-machines/

Enjoy. Fox will do something with this before the 2024 US Election.
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April 20, 2023 8:59am
I remember when

New Zealand’s Health System:
They have replaced 20 often disfunctional health boards with 1 non-functional centralised organisation.
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April 20, 2023 9:04am
- Handyman
  
  The problem (from Labour’s point of view) is that not all 20 DHBs were disfunctional. Their PR problem was that some DHBs were showing up the others and making a mockery of the usual Labour excuses: racism, impossible, years of neglect, etc.
  
  Better to bring them under central control so the Party can control the message. Notice that measles vaccination is now due to “cultural barriers” at doctors and isolated communities with the only solution being race based health provision. Previously, several DHBs would have proved this to be a lie.
  
  Labour learning during the lockdowns, having a “single source of truth” makes government much easier.
  
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  April 20, 2023 10:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The ‘real workers’ are not the problem, it is admin.
  I have had my cubital tunnel surgery put off 3 times now. If someone else’s surgery is more important then OK.
  Admin just can’t plan, or don’t want to. 2014 my Mother in Law died – in Ward 10 NS.
  One month later we had a letter and a phone call about monitoring her kidney.
  One month after she died!
  
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  April 20, 2023 11:55am
Maggy Wassilieff

Is it just a coincidence that the Report into the Parliamentary protest is to be released today (10am) as well as the latest Inflation figures?

I’m sure it wont be hard for our media to beat up one story over the other.
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April 20, 2023 9:11am
- Ehlana
  
  Will it be accompanied by the resignation of the person who referred to other New Zealanders as a river of filth? Note, these were words from his own mouth recently, not past reposting of others words.
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:37am
- Maggie Pie
  
  See they’re reporting the UK Inflation Rate has come in at 10.4% and Zimbabwe @ 284.94
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:40am
kevn

@Maggy… Yes, I noticed the emphasis on the last violent day of the protest. When all the start up attendees had gone because of the troublesome newcomers.
Bound to be a whitewash report.
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April 20, 2023 9:16am
Maggie Pie

BOMBER BRADBURY FOR PM 😀

Martyn gives his views on candidates for the ‘Green Party’ and those being endorsed by Matt King’s ‘DemocracyNZ’

https://twitter.com/CitizenBomber/status/1648785787906068480
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April 20, 2023 9:24am
Gordon Shumway

Commonwealth Games but with bipartisan support? What a joke.

We have FIFA Womens World Cup happening soon. That event was secured with Auckland Council funding some years ago (just like Melbourne events are secured with taxpayer funds). Auckland Council is now planning to stop funding this sort of event attraction in future.

Why? Because central government takes all the GST from tourism ($3.8B annually) and spends it on other stuff, rather than sharing it with local councils to help improve tourism infrastructure.

Locals get annoyed with tourism because they aren’t seeing the benefits, and rightly so.

Now we have smug central government politicians saying the Commonwealth Games would be great for tourism.

They are complete muppets. You couldn’t make it up.
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April 20, 2023 9:24am
- MCōs
  
  “Locals get annoyed with tourism because they aren’t seeing the benefits”
  Motels, hotels, cafes, etc were closing all over the place when tourists were unable to enter the country.
  
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  April 20, 2023 10:42am
Maggy Wassilieff

NZ’s dirty little secret…

Our prisons are full of mentally ill people who receive very little or no help.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/figures-reveal-prisoners-huge-mental-health-need

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/expert-urges-government-to-set-up-specialist-mental-health-court
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April 20, 2023 9:29am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Same for the streets as well. The place has become a free-range asylum.
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:46am
  - lifesgood
    
    Ugggh! Queen Street…rapidly becoming a no go zone with people lying all over the place.
    
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    April 20, 2023 9:53am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Is my mate in designer jeans and runners still outside S&C screaming Where is the Justice?
      
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      April 20, 2023 2:39pm
  - Taieri
    
    The place has become a free-range asylum
    ————–
    
    All the former inmates now work for the councils…
    
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    April 20, 2023 10:14am
  - MCōs
    
    Maybe where you live, but not around here.
    
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    April 20, 2023 10:44am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      😀
      
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      April 20, 2023 11:04am
- NothingLeft
  
  And the civil service.
  
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  April 20, 2023 1:25pm
Yvette

Wat3rs
From Thomas Cranmer’s Substack –
Someone else may of course see other parts as “the guts”
But I would think, myself, that this is the “guts” –

… It’s a good illustration of how tinkering with an already flawed structure has only succeeded in multiplying the costs and complications. …

… We are, therefore, left with the same problems as existed last year – only multiplied. The complicated and untested governance structure, including the Te Mana o te Wai statements, together with a very aggressive leveraged financing package is unquestionably too risky a proposition for our national water infrastructure.
https://cranmer.substack.com/p/hipkins-puts-three-waters-back-on?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

And “River of Filth conspirators stuff” –
If there are ten Entities with up to 12 representatives each, that will be 120 Representative with sixty of them Mana Whenua Representatives, so an equivalent to a second Parliament to run our water, and with “The point [widening statement access] was knocked back by iwi, particularly by Tuku Morgan, who was of the view that the statements should only be for mana whenua“ then Tuku is almost where he wants to be – holding the essence of life by the throat – I did say this is “River of Filth conspirators stuff” – so go out and empty the supermarket shelves of bottled water (and of course more toilet paper and eggs – for whatever conspiracy theorists do with eggs) and prepare to DRY!

“It is a fool’s prerogative to utter truths that no one else will speak.”
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April 20, 2023 9:30am
Joe Hunt

Got my copy of the Getting Back to Farming on the email last night. I will have to admit I am not a fan of live exports of cattle and I would need to see some hard core evidence that the destination is up to a high standard of animal welfare. Everything else looked OK.
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April 20, 2023 9:31am
- Tony Stuart
  
  I’m absolutely delighted to see the prohibition of farm sales to overseas interests for carbon farming. What Labour allowed when it deliberately left a loophole in the Overseas Investment Act has caused significant damage to the fabric of rural New Zealand. And it was all to keep Winston Peters and Shane Jones onside, with Jones’ vanity One Billion Trees project.
  
  It’s taken a while, but the guts of the remit we took to a Lower North Island regional conference in 2020 – it passed almost unanimously – has finally come into being.
  
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  April 20, 2023 1:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/the-most-wonderful-wednesday-ever/

Meeting last night at Sandringham, Liz Gunn turned up.
The audience were unanimously angry / deeply concerned about co-governance and all the fraud and corruption that has gone on in the last 40 years with respect to the Treaty. Rightly so. To view their anger / concern first hand was a wonderful thing for me. Why? Because more and more people are ‘getting it’ about co-governance. It’s bad. Really bad.
TV1 and TV 3 were there but not allowed in. That would really piss them off!

NZ are in a Coup. Many more are waking up. This takeover must be stopped.
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April 20, 2023 9:36am
- alex Masterley
  
  Drove past the event last nite on the way home from the driving range.
  5-6 cops out-side and one looney waving a flag.
  No media that i could see.
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:57am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The venue location is only posted 24 hours before. Seems that is working.
    No more events like Orewa. Disgusting, I was there. Protesters are allowed free speech sure, but not over the top of someone else’s free speech. The protesters there were not protesters, they were straight bullies. Agitators.
    No class at all.
    
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    April 20, 2023 10:18am
ClanMcleod

Read this utter nonsense from what appears to be a private comms contractor, apparently representing the NZ Nurses Organisation.

https://twitter.com/HopeRising19/status/1647750036422553600?s=20

Apparently he tells us that the majority of nurses don’t want unvaccinated former colleagues reinstated!
Such a position is nonsensical from a scientific point of view, if you believe in the vaccines and are vaccinated then why would you be worried about being around an unvaccinated person?
But we now know with absolute certainty that the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission or infection. That it looks increasingly like it makes people more prone to infection.

Who is this Rob Zorn? He sounds like a completely unhinged Branch Covidian. Surely he doesn’t actually represent the views of rank and file members?
Though as one of the comments says, maybe they actually don’t want those former colleagues back because they failed to back them at the time and are feeling guilty…..
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April 20, 2023 10:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ” if you believe in the vaccines and are vaccinated then why would you be worried about being around an unvaccinated person?”
  Maybe the vaccinated know the vaccines are rubbish and they can still transmit Covid to an unvaccinated person? Heaven forbid, the vaccinated could be blamed, and that is just not cricket.
  Oh the brainwashed!
  
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  April 20, 2023 10:27am
- Matt Long
  
  It may be true that the mojority of nurses don’t want their unvaxed colleagues back, it may also be true that the Union is pulling their figures out of an orifice, either way we need more nurses and the simpla answer is for the health ministry to offer an apology, compensation and employment support to nurses willing rejoin the workforce.
  Won’t happen under Labour, Reti might swing it.
  
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  April 20, 2023 10:34am
- cmm
  
  I’m not sure I understand why this should be a preference thing.
  
  How can the nurses (or employers etc) be expected to make an informed decision when they have been systematically pumped with nonsense and fear over the last 3 years?
  
  The only way to correct this issue would be to put in the same amount of effort correcting the wrong impressions that people have.
  
  Even allowing for the previous “scientific consensus” being that the vaccine was great, times have moved on and we now understand that the vaccine wasn’t so great.
  
  Sure, this might look like back pedalling etc, but in the long term it is better to be honest with people.
  
  If the medical industry keeps singing the same tune, then it can only increase the mistrust.
  
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  April 20, 2023 11:20am
- kowtow
  
  No doubt they promote themselves as an inclusive organisation.
  
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  April 20, 2023 3:41pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  What’s it got to do with nurses as to who else their employer chooses to employ? Tell
  ‘em to stuff off!
  
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  April 20, 2023 9:12pm
kevn

@Clan… Very good link. Thank you.
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April 20, 2023 10:20am
ClanMcleod

Well the whitewash re the Wellington protest is in.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/parliament-protest-report-ipca-finds-police-tactics-justified-intelligence-response-and-safety-left-wanting/RVLHIPMAGVD3BCENLWNPUUNTU4/

There was no political interference……//

Police did a great job…..//
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April 20, 2023 10:24am
- NothingLeft
  
  There are a lot of labour-era inquiries that really need redoing with neutral investigators once labour are gone.
  
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  April 20, 2023 11:20am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  No political interference? I guess that means the Barry Manilow and sprinklers etc. were the Police’s idea then.
  Forgive me if my faith isn’t restored.
  
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  April 20, 2023 4:15pm
Bevan

Bring back Ruth!!!!

Many will criticise this article purely because of who the author is, but damn she on the money here.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/300856794/ruth-richardson-the-taxation-problem-i-should-have-fixed-33-years-ago
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April 20, 2023 10:26am
Gravelroad

Interesting excerpt from a $tuff interview today with TV reporter Daniel Faitaua on his return from three years working in the UK-

“Once back in New Zealand, Faitaua says he wasn’t prepared for how his home country – and its citizens – had changed.

“I think I suffered a reverse culture shock,” he says, six months after his return.

“Three and a half years ago, you could walk down the street and Kiwis would be so friendly. Now, I feel like people are just so closed off, which is not the Kiwi way that I remember.

“I feel like I’ve come back to this new world, this new era, where there’s been, I sense, a lot of tension and a lot of division. Everyone you talk to seems to be upset about something. This is not a New Zealand I recognise.

“I’m still trying to find my way to belong here, in a country I really felt I belonged to. It’s just weird.”

Good work Labour, Green, Maori Parties.
Hope you are pleased with your achievements.
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April 20, 2023 10:28am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Welcome to the new New Zealand.
  
  Made by Labour, curated by Ardern, managed by the Maori caucus asserted by the legacy media and developed by elite ethnic activist academics…..a place called Aotearoastan.
  
  A soon to be failed, forgotten state in the bowels of the deep South Pacific.
  
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  April 20, 2023 10:41am
- Tony Stuart
  
  Tamaki MP Simon O’Connor said it beautifully on Facebook:
  
  Credit to Labour; they promised to be a transformational government. Now six years in power – this country is barely recogniseable
  
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  April 20, 2023 1:51pm
- mogg
  
  2019 pre Jacinda’s identity politics, 2023 post Jacinda’s identity politics.
  
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  April 20, 2023 4:24pm
Sparrow

I apologise for turning back to blogs of yesterday regarding Maori navigation. Many of the comments were very ill informed. Can I suggest that bloggers read “We, the Navigators ”
The Ancient Art of Landfinding in the Pacific by David Lewis. This excellent and thoroughly researched book shows that Polynesians were skillful Navigators. There are a number of excellent books on how navigation occurred in other parts of the world and how it was improved. Would suggest the following reads;
Sons of Sinbad by Allan Villiers, Longitude by Dava Sobel, and Sextant by David Barrie. Professional Navigators have huge respect for Polynesian Navigators. OK, claims that Maori reached Antarctica and returned are to be polite dubious but this in no way should denigrate the exploits of these Navigators.
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April 20, 2023 10:40am
- Nickc2
  
  If Maori didn’t know NZ existed, how did they know how to find it?
  
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  April 20, 2023 11:16am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Early European exploration was in part searching for a great southern continent that was assumed to exist. The nature of exploration.
    
    In the case of sea faring Polynesians, they were well capable of travelling out of sight of land – and could see birds flying off to ‘somewhere’ or even find strange driftwood washing up on beaches and reasonably expect there was other land out there waiting to be discovered. It is assumed that there were failures, and deaths, but over many centuries the Polynesians reached out to distant Easter Island, NZ, and even it seemed South America.
    
    Rather a silly question, and quite evident that Polynesians discovered NZ, and made 2 way journeys in the earliest period of discovery.
    
    Also ironic that some people who want to deny Maori any achievements can apparently believe that Vikings, Phoenicians or Celts reached NZ. Kind of like they never looked at a map, or really thought it through very hard or logically.
    
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    April 20, 2023 12:53pm
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      Why you get down ticks for writing what is provable facts is totally beyond my comprehension. It must be because you quite correctly portray Maori in a positive light. Having lived in Australia and seen the ugly racism I had thought that it did not exist to the same extent in NZ. How wrong I am if this blog site is any example.
      
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      April 20, 2023 6:53pm
- Inandout
  
  Sparrow, this sort of belies the theory of ‘skilful navigators’ if Maori just landed here and then never ventured far from land (except to slaughter Chatham Islanders).
  
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  April 20, 2023 11:50am
  - Sparrow
    
    Would suggest that you read the blog before yours. That answers your comment very well.
    I will ignore your fatuous comment about the Chatham Islands which clearly shows your prejudices.Would point out Maori were heavily involved in the early trade around the NZ coast and to Australia as vessel owners, skippers, and crew. They ordered many cutters and schooners from Pakeha builders and assisted them. With the recent passing of Sir Hector Busby the great Maori navigator New Zealand lost a great son but his memory lives on in the school he started. New Zealand should be justly proud of its Maritime history whether it be Maori or European.
    
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    April 20, 2023 1:56pm
    - Inandout
      
      I would like further evidence of this thriving maritime trade you speak of. If they owned vessels who financed them because I doubt hire purchase was the norm back then. The noble savage theme is pervasive when looking back in time.
      
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      April 20, 2023 2:49pm
      - Sparrow
        
        Frankly I have no wish to continue a dialogue with an obvious racist and to boot ignorant. One suggestion I do have loook up the ships registered say in Auckland in 1850s 1860s. Papers Past has this info.
        
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        April 20, 2023 3:51pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        It is a matter of historic record, that Maori traded surplus, such and Waikato exporting to Auckland and even Sydney. They also crewed and owned vessels as part of trade.
        
        I am not one of those who exalt Maori as special people and uniformly wonderful. It is sad that you can’t even believe something as basic as this.
        They even had flour mills, and grew crops, and wore human clothes – if you can believe that.
        
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        April 21, 2023 10:30am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Sad.
    What is known as ‘Maori’ are the people that Captain Cook found here. Maori of what is called the ‘classic Maori’ period no longer made long ocean going journeys. There was not the same pressure as with people on small islands, and they could face ‘inwards’ more than a person on a coral attol.
    Consider NZ is a massive landmass compared to what they came from.
    Ancient Polynesians were great sea farers. I would not say this is true of the classic-period Maori, but for their ancestors it was.
    The anti-intellectualism here (“books iz for stoopids”) is a ironic considering how we scoff at the woke choosing “Feelz over Facts”.
    
    Has KB embraced post-modernism?
    
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    April 21, 2023 10:34am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Microsoft teaching AI to lie?
Today Microsoft announced its decision to drop Twitter from its advertising platform.

https://valiantnews.com/2023/04/musk-threatens-lawsuit-against-microsoft-for-illegally-using-twitter-data-to-train-ai/

Smart man, calling out MS.
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April 20, 2023 10:43am
Swifty

“You’re not a mother, John!”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YwMEXWSQt9s
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April 20, 2023 11:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Oh boy! That is good stuff. Real people calling out freaks.
  Wish I could see what happened after. Did that ‘Big Bad John’ start punching?
  
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  April 20, 2023 5:27pm
Maggie Pie

So, our inflation rate has come in @ 6.7%

That’s 278.24% below that of Zimbabwe!

Grant Robertson extends Reverse Bank Governor’s contract for another for 5 years

There’s 3 kinds of lies…. lies, damned lies, and statistics.

https://twitter.com/ForPittsSake/status/1641969062208237569
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April 20, 2023 11:12am
- Blog-aholic
  
  2 things at play here:
  1. Not going to trust this government to tell the true state of inflation.
  2. Not going to trust the legacy media to tell us the true state of inflation.
  
  Any government that has rampant inflation one month with the highest food inflation in decades that then the following week tells us that inflation is less and the forecasters were wrong clearly do not see the irony between their belief in economic forcasters, climate forecasters and covid forecasters……
  
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  April 20, 2023 11:18am
- MCōs
  
  Those crayfish are probably more than 6.7% up on last year.
  The point being for a lot of people inflation is neither here nor there.
  Those Ford Rangers are still flying off the shelf and sit idle for 90% of the time.
  Someone must buy that $16/bag of muesli down at Countdown and $20 frozen durian that could have gone off from the Asian supermarket.
  
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  April 20, 2023 11:38am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Do you guys like durian cossie?
    Smells like sh*t but tastes good. 😛
    
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    April 20, 2023 11:42am
stiff cheese

Hey, it’s not just “Net Zero” that won’t change after the coming election. Here’s another policy: The Uniparty’s beloved ‘mass immigration’.

(TV news report last week) — In the past 12 months, 150k immigrants arrived. 100k people emigrated overseas. Therefore, net inflow: 50,000.

So we’re back to the immigration inflows of the pre-COVID era…. By the way, Hipkins is being DECEPTIVE on this. Read his response in Parliament two weeks ago:

(Question Time, Apr 05, 2023):
— Chris Luxon: “Isn’t it the case that this Government’s broken immigration settings have stoked labour shortages and fuelled inflation?”

— P.M. Hipkins: “If the member is arguing that we should open up the border in order to repress wages, which was the strategy of the last Government, then he can mount that argument at the next election.”

Well Mr Hipkins, you forgot to say the border IS open. As open as it’s ever been — YOU opened it.
So, we’re back to ‘normal’, i.e. “keeping the globalists happy”.
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April 20, 2023 11:14am
- Dougal10
  
  The last government was a 3 some of lab,nz1 and the greens . Someone should remind the current pm of that
  
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  April 20, 2023 7:32pm
Bobba Fret

Well this is good news. Someone is actually being charged after punching a granny at the Posie Parker thing in the park. Probably only get home D!.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/posie-parker-protest-man-accused-of-punching-elderly-woman-appears-in-court/XKEIG7WEDRCJFAKAK76RPPC7VQ/
Now they need to get the tomato juice thrower.
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April 20, 2023 11:20am
- lifesgood
  
  No doubt unemployed, sitting on the couch all day. Punishment? Home detention so he can sit on the couch all day. LOL.
  
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  April 20, 2023 11:56am
- Chuck Bird
  
  He gets claim victimhood in the Herald.
  
  The inciters get away with causing the violence.
  
  In mean Hipkins, Wood and a number of Greens.
  
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  April 20, 2023 12:29pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I thought i read where the guy was in court and Molloy chased him down the street after he was in court, or is that more lies from this rabid media
  
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  April 20, 2023 2:21pm
Inandout

‘From 1 July, the next step in phasing out single-use and hard-to-recycle plastic begins. That means:
• single-use plastic produce bags, plates, bowls, and cutlery will be banned
• the sale of single-use plastic straws will be restricted
• a transition to compostable plastic produce labels by 2025 begins’.

Apart from the madness of these laws there will be unintended consequences. A very expensive kumara, passion fruit or tomatoe will slip into a carrier bag at self service because we are all absent minded at times aren’t we? I am sure the shoplifters have already worked out the many ways.
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April 20, 2023 11:40am
Chuck Bird

This could happen here.

FAMILY MATTERS: Saving Children from Trans Ideology – A Mum’s Story

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSAP7BHfDuA
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April 20, 2023 12:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://rumble.com/v11k1hc-finally-passengers-cheer-as-end-of-mask-mandate-announced.html
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April 20, 2023 12:03pm
Swifty

It has been my privilege during my life to have known, worked alongside or been related to Maori men who set an example to me of how to conduct yourself, contribute to your community and live a good productive life.

Then I see tens and tens of examples annually of lives like this:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/man-jailed-for-brandishing-knife-at-lynnmall-causing-lockdown/V2DW4NH4TZAHBEIPUWPQ3KLS2M/

What a waste of human life. I just despair at times of the total waste of human potential.
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April 20, 2023 12:19pm
- Swifty
  
  Three lives destroyed as a result of abominable, disgraceful parenting, a welfare state which incentivises both reckless breeding and family separation, excuse-making from Labour politicians and the Maori-elite, shitty destructive Maori ‘gang’ culture and a total disregard for the lives of others through feral behaviour.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/glendene-double-murder-court-docs-detail-mikaere-puata-chaneys-attack-of-eliza-and-geoffrey-trubuhovich/IEMLSZ74QVDPBLVMFG26C3OIPM/
  
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  April 20, 2023 2:09pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

OK, from FB Memories:

One day, long ago, in a land far far away, there lived a woman who did not bitch, moan, whine or nag……
….but it was far far away, and only one day
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April 20, 2023 12:28pm
- Ehlana
  
  There are no recorded memories of a man who did not complain.
  
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  April 20, 2023 12:45pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    🙂
    
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    April 20, 2023 1:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Some more fun from Facebook.

At a local wine shop, the incumbent taster died, and they were looking for a replacement. A dirty old drunk applied for the position. The wine shop recruiter, being aware of employment regulations, wondered how to get rid of him correctly.
So they gave him a glass to try.”It’s a Muscat, 3yrs old, grown on a Northern site, matured in large, oak barrels. Low grade but acceptable.” Correct. Another glass …’It’s a Cabernet, 8yrs old, off a SW slope, new oak barrels. Needs another 3 years for best results.” Correct.
Third glass… “It’s a vintage Pinot, high grade and exclusive” said the drunk calmly. The recruiter was astonished and slyly signalled to his secretary to fetch something. She left the room and came back with a glass of urine. The alkie tried it… “It’s a blonde, 26 years old, 3 months pregnant, and if you don’t give me the job, I’ll name the father.”
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April 20, 2023 1:09pm
DeepBlue

Morgan Freeman says what I can’t. He thinks it is an insult to be called African American. People say Africa like it it a country, it is a continent like Europe, it doesn’t make sense to him. “Most black people in this part of the world are mongrels’. AA is just another derogatory term like others used in the past… referencing the N word. ‘I am very proud to be black, but black is not all I am’.

Bringing this back to me… I equally hate being identified as a European New Zealander. I want to be identified as a New Zealander. I am very proud to have European ancestry, but European is hardly anything of who I am.
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April 20, 2023 1:19pm
- Swifty
  
  It is essential for the left to divide us all into groups – so that they can continue to cultivate division, victimhood and grievance and then exploit this for political gain.
  
  The last thing they want is for us all to come together as one.
  
  The left would then be out of a job.
  
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  April 20, 2023 2:40pm
- Inandout
  
  DB, same as saying ‘person of colour’ rather than coloured person, as is common in the UK. Idiotic.
  
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  April 20, 2023 2:53pm
- WaynelSexton
  
  Yes your geographic location makes far more sense than your ethnicity, said no one ever.
  
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  April 20, 2023 3:06pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  My lot departed the coast of continental Europe over 3000 years ago…. If that’s not enough time to differentiate a group of people, then I don’t know why we are making a distinction in our official records between Pacific Islanders and Maori… considering Maori have only been in NZ for 700 years.
  
  I’m sure when I was growing up folks from the UK and Ireland were not referred to as Europeans…
  
  (and we didn’t refer to British Cars as European Cars).
  
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  April 20, 2023 5:04pm
Swifty

I’ve got a great idea!

Let’s close down all steel-making in New Zealand, throw thousands out of work and their families onto the bread line and then let’s import all our steel from the god-forsaken polluting furnaces from hell in China!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iy63PEgmm8w

Aren’t I clever?
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April 20, 2023 2:37pm
- mandk
  
  The Greens would happily do that.
  
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  April 20, 2023 3:43pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  I worked at Glenbrook for 2 years and overseas visitors were amazed at the fact that farm land came up to the mill boundary and they couldn’t believe how little pollution there is.
  
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  April 20, 2023 3:45pm
Swifty

Looks like Leo Molloy has the bit between his teeth:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/crime/posie-parker-protest-man-accused-of-punching-elderly-woman-appears-in-court/XKEIG7WEDRCJFAKAK76RPPC7VQ/
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April 20, 2023 2:48pm
NothingLeft

IRS whistleblower fingering political interference in Hunter Biden tax evasion investigations.
https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/breaking-senior-irs-agent-comes-forward-says-biden-is-blocking-criminal-prosecution-of-his-son-mace/

““The protected disclosures: (1) contradict sworn testimony to Congress by a senior political appointee, (2) involve failure to mitigate clear conflicts of interest in the ultimate disposition of the case, and (3) detail examples of preferential treatment and politics improperly infecting decisions and protocols that would normally be followed by career law enforcement professionals in similar circumstances if the subject were not politically connected” the letter wrote.”
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April 20, 2023 4:27pm
Surely Knott

University of Otago to cull several hundred jobs. Ouch. And need to cull $60million.

They don’t say which departments have seen a downturn.

“While international students are up by about 495, domestic students are down by about 670.”

So a net -175 domestic students lost. And the international students pay more than domestic. Say they pay $15,000 each per year. That’s only $2.6 million. Why are they making a $60mill loss.
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April 20, 2023 4:39pm
- artemisia
  
  Good question. Covid is one actor to blame. Then there’s the big capital projects, aka cementing in the legacy.
  
  Meanwhile staff are shocked and devastated. Maybe they are not aware of the thousands of workers who lost jobs when their employers closed down completely or heavily retrenched.
  
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  April 20, 2023 7:13pm
- Dougal10
  
  Their wellington branch should be cut loose.
  
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  April 20, 2023 7:47pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Not to mention the laughingly named Centre for Peace Studies (known for their in-fighting)
    
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    April 20, 2023 9:19pm
nathie

Woah on HDPA’s show she outlined aspects of the IPCA’s report on the Police’s response to the Parliament occupation.

So Grant Robertson, Speaker Mallard and Parker as AG (no sign of MIA Ardern as usual) spoke to Police Commissioner Andrew Coster and that night Coster gave the order for the Police to clear the occupation the next day. It was only day 3 and Labour were clearly rattled.

But hang on, what about the so called independence of the Police not to be directed by Govt politicians?

Even if, cough cough, there was no directive from Mallard, Robertson and Parker, PC Coster decided to act giving orders the next day – what a clusterf* because the Police were not prepared to take on the protesters.

In other words Labour and the Police Commissioner compromised the safety of the front-line Police – shouldn’t there be a health and safety prosecution against the Coster and Mallard/Robertson/Parker?

The other thing is unprepared Police then meant they were vulnerable to the protesters and the Police may have then acted more violently in frustration (with lack of equipment) thus endangering protesters from Police losing their cool.

All round it was bad for both the Police Officers at the front line and the protesters at the front line – all because Grant Robertson, Trevor Mallard and Parker, out of their depth normally anyway, thought they could order the Police Commissioner “to do something”.

Coster is also culpable because instead of standing up to a bunch of left-wing former-protester Labour MP hypocrites and telling them “No” – not until the Police had their safety gear – he complied.

Was always appalled by Grant Robertson and Trevor Mallard anyway but this now demonstrates they are much, much worse as human beings they really are scumbags who deserve to be remembered by history as Labour’s bullies who wrecked and divided NZ and without the slightest bit of self-awareness or regret at the harm they have done our society in all sorts of ways (including the economy etc).
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April 20, 2023 4:40pm
nathie

Also about today’s ICPA report and Labour’s response – there would have been hell to pay if this was a National Govt doing that.

The MSM would have felled forests worth of copy and caused electricity shortages as the left wing and msm thrashed out criticism after criticism on their keyboards (with their servers running at max capacity), day after day demanding resignations and damning the National Prime Minister, in fact probably trying to fell the Govt.

This time around and being Labour in charge … mostly tumbleweeds from the rest of the MSM.

The MSM should be angry at this and angry at Labour and Speaker Mallard for controlling them and preventing the MSM from reporting properly on the ground when Mallard banned them from Parliaments forecourt. No wonder the protesters were saying the MSM was in Labour’s pocket! C’mon MSM as the saying goes, get some guts! Labour prevented you from doing your job to the detriment of your reputation and people’s trust!
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April 20, 2023 4:53pm
miltonF

On wokeness:

I feel like the correct definition of a woke person is a person who bases their reality on opinions rather than facts.

I’ve noticed a consistent pattern when (attempting) to debate woke family members. The debate always boils down to a difference in understanding or acceptance of basic facts.

On the trans debate:
I say women don’t have penises. They can’t define what a woman is.

On abortion:
I say life begins at conception. They can’t tell me when they believe life begins.

On climate change:
I say it’s overblown and mostly natural. They can’t tell me how much CO2 is in the atmosphere.

The same issue keeps popping up over and over again. The core issue is that the “woke” have no interest in truth, facts or evidence. They only care what the majority opinion/consensus is, and go with that. Extreme intellectual laziness.
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April 20, 2023 4:58pm
Swifty

For Maggy W:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEWvPRYvQz8

What a thoroughly impressive operation and what a wonderful lifestyle.
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April 20, 2023 6:12pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  A lot of effort for a tiny product.
  
  I’ve never tasted these NZ- grown Pine nuts….and at
  $13.50/100g, probably won’t.
  
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  April 20, 2023 8:13pm
miltonF

Otago uni – hundreds of jobs to go

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/education/131827615/several-hundred-jobs-to-go-at-university-of-otago-as-student-numbers-plunge

No sympathy from me. Go woke, go broke. Paid to push govt misinformation under the guise of “the science”. Unfortunately for them, the majority of the public now know this science was completely fake and don’t want to send their kids there. Oh boo hoo. Too bad.

For starters, get that numpty Michael Baker out of the media. That clown is making Otago uni look like a circus.
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April 20, 2023 6:21pm
Swifty

A lengthy interview with our host today on The Platform, covering media bias, the left’s long march through our institutions, Labour corruption through PIJF, polling and election prospects etc:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=REzbLsN-GGI
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April 20, 2023 6:32pm
- lifesgood
  
  I listened to this and am now feeling depressed. As always David spoke well but his summation that the election will come down to the wire and we can easily have another Labour/Greens/Maori govt is too horrible to contemplate
  
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  April 20, 2023 8:04pm
Warren

Gaslighting : National cries fowl over
Labour ad claiming 65% drop in Ram Raids.
So anther Prime Minister Chris Hipkins just like the previous Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern cries fowl over the amount of misinformation being used in NZ Politics but believes it is right for his Government to tell lies to dupe the public on Ram Raids.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/gaslighting-national-cries-foul-over-labour-ad-claiming-65-per-cent-drop-in-ram-raids/6VNH5WU7HRGAJMMELE4G7JLQU4/
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April 20, 2023 7:21pm
- Swifty
  
  That’s a total cherry pick.
  
  Spin, spin, spin.
  
  It’s all they’ve got.
  
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  April 20, 2023 10:04pm
Gravelroad

@Warren-
“National cries fowl”
Cluck, cluck, cluck.
Suggest they watch the vintage murder mystery film-
“Murder Most Foul”.
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