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Warren

The Prime Minister’s Office has come out with a statement defending our
Ex Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern.
Jacinda Ardern’s involvement in Prince Harry, Meghan Markle Nexfix Show was misrepresented in Trailor, Prime Minister’s Office Claimed.
Well Jacinda Ardern has no one else to blame but herself as she is well known to be a stranger to the truth when being caught out on many of the statements she made when Prime Minister of New Zealand.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/04/jacinda-ardern-s-involvement-in-prince-harry-meghan-markle-netflix-show-was-misrepresented-in-trailer-prime-minister-s-office-claimed.html
I can’t believe that New Zealander’s would take the Prime Minister’s Officers word as the truth after nearly 5 years of
bending the facts from our Former Prime Minister.
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April 19, 2023 8:00am
- nathie
  
  Quiz time: Newshub’s clips of Ardern denying the very things that the Nelson Mandela Foundation are saying otherwise demonstrate how natural Ardern is at:
  
  1. Acting.
  2. Misleading.
  3. Deflecting.
  4. Lying.
  5. All of the Above.
  
  Quiz rules: only one answer can be selected.
  
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  April 19, 2023 9:10am
  - Bob
    
    Answer ‘5’.
    do I get a chocolate fish; or do maori own the chocolate fish as well?
    
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    April 19, 2023 11:35am
Yvette

To twist the Treaty so far that Queen Victoria of the British Empire would sign a treaty with colonial “indigenous” people to have sovereignty over English settlers would have been pushing it too far –
but co-governance is also a step too far. Equal rule? – in 1840?
Queen Victoria agreed to a 50 / 50 partnership deal?
It just didn’t effing-well happen. That simple.

See? – a shorter shower this morning
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April 19, 2023 8:01am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You might like to read today’s wee offering from Claudia Orange before your Morning T.
  
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/history-of-the-tiriti-fraud
  
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  April 19, 2023 8:48am
  - Mike
    
    [Piss off with any more trolling – mod.]
    
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    April 19, 2023 9:14am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    It’s an abridged chapter of her latest pack of lies, uncritically accepted and promoted as truth, without a single reference or shred of evidence to back up her rather fanciful reimagining of what Maori chiefs did or didn’t think nearly 200 years ago.
    
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    April 19, 2023 9:30am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Apart from the tone, and the ‘fraud’ assertion, the writing I skimmed over is pretty much factual and all ‘stuff that happened’.
    The inferences around the motivations or thoughts of colonial figures could do with more evidence, but the accounts of Browne, Grey and McLean’s activities etc. are not as bad as many (like Vincent O’Malleys more inflammatory history with glaring omissions and emotive insertions).
    
    KB readers should not immediately reject any writing which might be sympathetic to Maori or critical of Europeans. Just like I read the Daily Blog and Kiwi Blog. History is not black and white (goodies and badies), and the battle lines (along race) in modern times is why it is so poorly understood and misrepresented today.
    
    Emotion is what makes intellectual reviews of our history impossible.
    I say this as a person with a serious interest in the 19th century leading up to the conclusion of the NZ Wars. I don’t have any sense of guilt, and don’t think anyone should feel that. Everyone did what they thought was right & best, and current language like ‘holocaust/genocide/fraud’ is unhelpful or even toxic.
    100 years ago James Cowan wrote ‘…both races have causes for pride as well as regret’.
    
    The one general fault I would place on the history here by Dame Orange, given it is written for the sympathetic ear of progressive NZers and assertive Maori nationalists – is it makes no case for WHY European’s acted as they did, other than greed; implying settlers acted only on bad motives.
    Greed comes into it 100%, and a culture of Empire, and it is hard to defend the Waitara purchase, but she glosses over the opening to the war in the Waikato as coming simply after ‘war broke out again in Taranaki’….
    what she means is the Maori fired the first shots, in an ambush of soldiers, which actually had hoped to kill Governor Grey. Rewi Maniapoto was even known to have written to Taranaki Maori ahead of this stating in reaction to the occupation of a block of land there to ‘Kill The Pakeha’ 2 months later, the long prepared invasion of the Waikato kicked off.
    Both races have equal reasons for pride and regret indeed.
    
    Revisionist history does itself no favours if it fails to present sequences of events/context and motives.
    Governor Grey was quite right in seeking to break the King Movement militarily IMO (even though many innocents may have been caught up), as in terms of realism over idealism, the Maori King movement had allowed its flag (and in reality could not prevent) its warriors (Maniapoto and later Ngati Haua) going to Taranaki to fight and kill soldiers and settlers in conflicts which were outside of Waikato sphere of influence. While O’Malley makes a case that Waikato had an interest there, it is a weak one. Taranaki and Waikato were tribal enemies in the musket wars, and Waikato their conquerors (who were even paid money to recognise former title in Taranaki when the government purchases within those conquests were made).
    So when the King Movement becomes a military force, in armed conflict with the British Empire and Governor – they were a military target.
    They had to be broken and removed as a threat. Good on Governor Grey…..there, I said it!
    No brainer really. So just to say the Waikato War was about a land grab ignores the politics of Governor Grey and what happened before his 2nd term; the colonial government welcomed the confiscation of land, and the land even help pay for the costs of the war itself, but historians today make a very poor case for WHY European/British or Colonial forces ever went to war.
    
    We are poorly served in this sense by our modern academics. They know which side of bread is buttered.
    
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    April 19, 2023 12:16pm
    - Manu-Rau
      
      Thanks Fuzzy. You are, of course, referring to the Second Taranaki War, which started a few months prior to the invasion of the Waikato, and finished a few months after it finished. FWIW, I looked at this in some depth as part of my PhD research, and was able to link the two wars.
      
      Grey and General Cameron saw one of the biggest threats to an invasion of the Waikato as being an intervention by Taranaki Maori. Cameron countered this threat by deploying sufficient troops, with artillery and logistics support, to keep the Taranaki Maori at home throughout the invasion, but no more than was required for this: ie, no offensive operations If Taranaki went north to fight, their villages and crop production would be destroyed, and the undefeated population would face privation or starvation. That is why the British didn’t undertake any offensive military operations in Taranaki between July 1863 and May 1864. In modern military terminology, the Second Taranaki War was a fixing operation, intended to hold Taranaki Maori in place while Cameron achieved his strategic objective – the destruction or dislocation of the Kingite movement, and establishment of a 100+ mile buffer to the south of Auckland. Putting aside any other considerations about the the invasion of Waikato, it was a brilliant operational manouvre.
      
      I have given dozens of presentations on this to military and civilian audiences on this, and no-one has ever been able to fault the argument – especially when I present the overwhelming evidence in support.
      
      Simply put, the invasion of Waikato was one of the best planned and executed campaigns conducted by a British General in the 19th century. It’s success was determined by the logistical planning undertaken by Cameron’s staff, and the fixing of Taranaki Maori prior to and during the war.
      
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      April 19, 2023 11:17pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You know she is a liar right?
    See Stop Co-Governance.
    
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    April 19, 2023 2:41pm
- Ehlana
  
  I think the reality is Yvette that what the British were doing and what the Maori were doing were coming from two different ways of understanding the world.
  
  The “Royal Charter” argument that Britain could somehow claim New Zealand by the “Law of Nations” without any Maori input is unconscionable. But so too is an interpretation of the Treaty which makes all non-Maori New Zealanders now and forever second class citizens.
  
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  April 19, 2023 12:15pm
- Paulus
  
  There were I believe only about 30,000 Maori at the time of the signing of the so called Treaty.
  There many less non indigenous here at the time.
  
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  April 19, 2023 1:14pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    Yes Something like 150,000 before the musket wars that decimated more than 1/3 pre the treaty
    
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    April 19, 2023 1:27pm
  - Manu-Rau
    
    Probably 100,000. Well down from the 150,000 (most likely) to 200,000 estimated in the late 1700s.
    
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    April 19, 2023 11:32pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

This is why I despise Australia’s S501 policy.

If Kiwis goes to Aus under their own steam & subsequently offends then by all means deport them.

This guy left NZ when he was 6 months old. He’s an Aussie in all but name.

Own your own shit, Australia.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300854948/kiwi-man-deported-from-australia-after-racking-up-71-convictions
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April 19, 2023 8:04am
- kowtow
  
  It’s the law , not feelz.
  
  ps We do it to the Pacific Islands .
  
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  April 19, 2023 8:51am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Nope. Zero sympathy from me. Commit 71 crimes (doubtless dozens more, he was charged with 100) in a country that gave you a chance and all you did was throw it back in their face, and you have no right to be there.
  
  He’s 43 years old and has a long history of increasingly-serious criminality, not showing up in court, lying about wanting to see his kids (they left 4 years prior) and plenty of other examples. I maintain any country has the right to determine who gets to live there and enjoy the benefits. It’s a shame we have to out up with him but he was born here, we have no choice.
  
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  April 19, 2023 9:34am
- Nickc2
  
  Why didn’t he become an Aust Citizen? Everyone has to have Citizenship somewhere.
  The Aussies did nothing wrong in deporting him.
  
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  April 19, 2023 9:41am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

From Stop Co-Governance comments”

One New Zealand Foundation Inc. One New Zealand Foundation Inc. on April 18, 2023 at 11:42 am
It a pity it took Martin Doutre and others 14 years to pick up and use the research the ONZF had completed on the Littlewood Treaty document in 1989 and published in their book, “He iwi tahi tatou – We are not one people” in 1992.

This allowed the Government (Claudia Orange) and Maori 14 years head start to say, “The Littlewood document was just an early translation of the Maori version by an unknown author”, this was a lie, but and 99% of the people fell for it!

The same is going to happen with Queen Victoria’s Royal Charter/Letters Patent dated 16 November 1840, if we wait another 14 years before we use it.
http://onenzfoundation.co.nz/queen-victorias-two-royal-charters-letters-patent/.

Use it or lose it, the choice is yours.
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April 19, 2023 8:05am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Helen on April 18, 2023 at 6:58 pm
  
  It’s quite beyond belief that the intensive research the One New Zealand Foundation has done hasn’t prevented all this reinvented nonsense to take hold. Too many influential people have ignored it or have not given credit where it is due – to the One New Zealand Foundation.
  
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  April 19, 2023 8:09am
- Mike
  
  Hey Steve – Martin Doutre is somewhat of an outlier, to put it mildly, in his theories about NZ history and pre-history. If crews like Stop Co-Governance or One New Zealand, etc are relying on people like him for insight into the past then there really is no limit to the craziness they might endorse.
  
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  April 19, 2023 8:15am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    Mike possesses an incredible mastery of political history and a lot of time to monitor and comment on kiwiblog.
    
    **** Labour funded Spin Doctor Alert!
    
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    April 19, 2023 8:53am
  - JackRabbit
    
    Hey Steve – Mike is somewhat of an idiot, to put it mildly, in his theories about NZ history and pre-history. He comes up with no specifics or data, he just disputes anything that mildly represents the truth.
    
    Hey Mike – Martin Doutre does have theories, but he also has evidence, and analytics to explain such evidence. If you find objects buried in NZ that are clearly man made, and carbon date to well before the Maori, it is not theory that people were here before the Maori. It is evidence.
    
    That is what real science is about – working with evidence, facts and data, and inductively constructing possible scenarios as how these things came to be. And once you have ruled out the impossible, what you are left with, no matter how improbable, is the truth.
    
    And who cares if Martin Doutre is an outlier? I do. I like outliers. Outliers are people that don’t fit the norm. That consider all possible scenarios, even if uncomfortable. Progress is not made by doing what makes you popular or living a boring beige life.
    
    Galileo, Wright Brothers, Rutherford, Alexander Graham Bell, Nikola Tesla, Richard Pearse, Thomas Edison, William Campbell, Satoshi Omura, Faraday, Harry Brearley, etc, were all outliers.
    
    And all of which we should be entirely grateful for.
    
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    April 19, 2023 9:35am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Jack, I know Mike is an idiot but he is also sometimes fun.
      In the right mood he is very knowledgeable, so yeah, sometimes I uptick him.
      Whatever he does for a living must be tied to History somehow, so I don’t just dismiss him.
      In yesterday’s Stop Co-Governance post there is a good piece.
      Why We Have To Really Fight To Preserve Democracy
      Caleb Anderson has just written a brilliant piece on this topic.
      There is a link. It is a good read.
      
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      April 19, 2023 10:28am
      - Mike
        
        I have recommended to others on this blog who might be interested in Doutre’s imaginative approach that they start with Kerry Howe’s excellent Quest for Origins: Who First Discovered and Settled New Zealand and the Pacific Islands.
        Apart from being a good basic account of what is actually known about Pacific pre-history, Howe also examined the long history of theories, both mainstream and alternative about Polynesian voyaging and settlement. He places Doutre’s ideas, and those of others, in that appropriate context.
        Doutre’s work appears in a long continuum of fervid speculation that has endured from the late 18th century wonder that a ‘primitive’ people could have explored and settled remote island groups across the vast Pacific.
        
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        April 19, 2023 11:09am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      That carbon dating is OK, but a better method is Thermoluminescence. I have seen the results done on a horse from the Tang Dynasty. The Professor who did it explained it to me. He was from Wollongong University – OZ.
      Very very accurate. He drilled 5 samples in the horse’s foot. It works by detecting radiation absorbed right back to the date of the sample’s last firing (the first)
      I did not see it of course. The Prof told me it could be dated to within 5 years of the first firing.
      
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      April 19, 2023 1:03pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Mike, why don’t you go right through Stop Co-Governance? Right back to posts and comments going back to last August.
    Try with an open mind, you may be pleased.
    BTW, would you like a copy of Julian Batchelor’s book? Or you can read it online in the blog.
    
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    April 19, 2023 10:32am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Here is the first, August 5th, 2023.
      
      https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/this-fight-is-real/
      
      There are 3 comments.
      
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      April 19, 2023 11:09am
- fredonas
  
  This article (below) is also worth a read IMHO. Shows that nothing changes. Where are the descendants of these people who suffered violence? Why are they not marching in the streets demanding money from the government for past outrages?
  https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/mid-1800s-missionary-tells-the-truth-about-new-zealands-early-history/
  
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  April 19, 2023 11:55am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  If it is the same Martin Doutre who wrote ‘Ancient Celtic New Zealand’ then alarm bells and sirens for me.
  He fails to interpret conventional archaeological features from Maori gardens within volcanic soils, and turns them into collapsed stone houses. Piles of rocks that is, with no house floor, supports, or hearths or any other evidence.
  His pointing to the ‘sameness’ of rapa spirals and Celtic swirls is a poor attempt when geometric forms (like, say, Swastika or mesh/checkerboards etc.) appear due to common human sensibilities across neolithic potteries in Asia or Bronze Age steppe peoples.
  The ‘tall skeletons’ thing is the typical poor attempt to reassemble skeletons and lay them out so that actual tight fighting bones make the remains appear as over 6 footers.
  Collections of stones on hill tops become mathematically linked to celestial alignments. I don’t think he has ever scattered and handful of olives on top of a pizza before.
  Basically it was a lot of mashing a square block through a visibly triangular hole.
  Not a person to quote as a research historian when acts as a definition-example of a psuedo-historian.
  
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  April 19, 2023 12:48pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    And if the Celts were here before Maori – or any other civilisation or culture like many odd theories propose – where are the ceramics?
    Even crude ceramics, such as can be found abundantly on other neolithic or early Iron Age sites 7,000 to 1,000 years old. Or an iron pin, or brooch. No surface finds, nor anything excavated of items that are otherwise ubiquitous to a culture.
    The answer is that the people proposing these theories know about as much about pre-history in NZ as they know about the archeology Celts or ancient China, or Phoenicians, or Vikings, etc etc; all of whom have been claimed to have been here.
    There are a few artefacts I might point to like the Tamil Bell, to propose visitors to our shores {shipwrecks?} aside from Dutch or British, but there is no evidence of settlement by anything other than archaic East Polynesians.
    There is no other material culture in evidence.
    
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    April 19, 2023 12:55pm
Yvette

CALEB ANDERSON: Democracy – A beacon that flickered over the weekend

… Democracy requires that even the most powerful people are accountable, that issues are debated openly in the public domain, that we can rid ourselves of our politicians when we want to, and that no person’s vote should be worth more or less than another’s. Human nature is constant, people are often self-interested, and nepotism and corruption are not the exclusive domain of any one group, Maori included … we need safeguards. Maori themselves need safeguards.

The Maori party has called democracy a tyranny. Well if democracy is the tyranny of the majority, just wait for the tyranny of the minority which may just be around the corner.

The Maori Party, and some within Labour’s caucus (and cabinet), seem to have drawn a line in the sand. Give us exactly what we want, or else. I guess “or else” means civil unrest and marches on parliament. Perhaps we can console ourselves that parliament now has experience in managing this sort of unrest. Refuse to meet with them, legislate under urgency, ensure the media ignores them, or reports on them negatively, politicians can call them rivers of filth to their heart’s content, the speaker can turn on the sprinklers and Barry Manilow music, the police can don their riot gear, and the PM can spout that this is all the product of misinformation. Yes, parliament knows exactly how to manage this sort of thing now ….

What comes before and after this excerpt is here –
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/caleb-anderson-democracy-a-beacon-that-flickered-over-the-weekend

Caleb Anderson, a graduate history, economics, psychotherapy and theology, has been an educator for over thirty years, twenty as a school principal.
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April 19, 2023 8:06am
herb1

With the ongoing claims by Maori to own our water and other spurious claims, isn’t it about time we started a campaign for IWI to start paying tax.
Maori are constantly claiming to be equal partners and if so why aren’t they paying tax.
We should all be writing to MPs etc demanding this
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April 19, 2023 8:06am
- kevn
  
  @herb1… I discussed this tax anomaly with our local MP a while ago when the Nats were in. They don’t want to poke the sleeping bear, was his response.
  
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  April 19, 2023 8:56am
  - pdm
    
    kev – should we see if we can get Hosking to raise it with Mark Mitchell and Megan Woods next Wednesday morning?
    
    Responses and attitudes to it would be interesting.
    
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    April 19, 2023 9:48am
    - Nickc2
      
      Megan Woods’ll just scream over top of everyone thus using up the time allocated to the soundbite.
      
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      April 19, 2023 9:52am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Have the mic turned off – Julian Batchelor does it.
        Give her a fair go, but when she is hoarding the time, off, bye Megan.
        
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        April 19, 2023 11:04am
  - Manu-Rau
    
    Why can’t they use the phrase so favoured by the Left?
    
    “Everyone should pay their fair share.”
    
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    April 19, 2023 11:35pm
- Nickc2
  
  Maori Businesses call themselves charities, but they only give to themselves and pay no tax.
  Some Marae, on the other hand, do help everyone as evidenced during Cyclone Gabrielle and we should be grateful for that.
  
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  April 19, 2023 10:08am
- rouppe
  
  This isn’t about iwi paying no tax. It’s about charities paying no tax, and a clever lawyer convincing the government of the time that Maori Trusts that receive Treaty settlements (for the betterment of iwi members) qualify as charities.
  
  So it’s the charities law that needs looking at. And it’s not just iwi, it’s large commercial operations such as Sanitarium, as well as churches.
  
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  April 19, 2023 10:23am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Rouppe,
    
    You are incorrect about the situation. Most Iwi settlement funds are not charities. However, they do get a lower tax rate, on the basis that most of the iwi members have relatively low incomes and this a low personal tax rate.
    
    It is marae committees that are charities, like most other similar entities.
    
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    April 19, 2023 10:54am
    - Manu-Rau
      
      Most. What about the Board members?
      
      I pay a higher tax rate than my four children, but have helped all four with home deposits and/or rental support. How about putting me on their tax rate?
      
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      April 19, 2023 11:41pm
artemisia

Herald yesterday – Kiwi mum reveals shocking cost of childcare means it’s not worth going back to work
I guess twins may have been a curveball in this case, but even two under 3s is going to mean pricey childcare anyway.

Sounds from the article that it is a widespread issue and extending the government childcare subsidy to babies is desirable. There is this old fashioned thing called planning ahead.
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April 19, 2023 8:08am
- Random T Person
  
  Yeah we had to get through that. As a work from home, my income dropped by about 50 percent, too. Back where it should be now, though, with the lads being 8 and 10.
  
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  April 19, 2023 9:04am
- GJM
  
  Nothing new. We reached the same conclusion with our kids 21 years ago. My wife’s clerical job , child care costs and commuting didn’t stack up financially and it was cheaper for her to stay at home
  
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  April 19, 2023 9:49am
- pdm
  
  Arty – I think I heard it said that she netted about $150 a week for 27 hours work.
  
  Not to be sneezed at even after the alleged costs have eroded her gross pay.
  
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  April 19, 2023 9:51am
- Piniwi
  
  Perhaps artemisia not one of the special people and can not snag one of those better paying public service jobs. All filled diversatively by less able POC.
  
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  April 19, 2023 10:34am
- Bob
  
  I found it refreshingly enjoyable to listen to a young MUM who has thought the exercise through, and obviously understands basic economics; rather than bleating about ‘more handouts needed’.
  She will, in years to come, be able to look at three well adjusted, no doubt confident, young adults, and know that they -(husband and wife I assume)- did what in the long run was best for their children.
  Pity it didn’t happen more often
  
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  April 19, 2023 11:45am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Cunning,

Orm the Viking on April 18, 2023 at 1:20 pm
Water ownership in NZ

Question

If you own all the water in New Zealand, but have no way of delivering it, what do you do ?

Answer

Concoct a scheme called 3 waters and co governance, demolish democracy and hand over control of everyone else’s water delivery assets to the new owners of the water.

Devilishly simple isn’t it.
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April 19, 2023 8:10am
- Drone
  
  @Steve Otto the model being subtly proposed is like the electricity model put together by Max Bradford. Transmission lines and electricity supply, and multiple companies taking a cut. Transpose that onto the water you have the pipes and dams and you have the water supply (rivers lakes etc) and multiple Iwis taking a cut. Just like electricity, we will pay for the pipes, probably a fixed charge based on the asset value at the point of takeover and then we will pay for water usage just like electricity. Simple, whats the problem.. //sarc
  
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  April 19, 2023 10:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not sarc, Drone.
    4 entities is now 10! Guess who is the top dog?
    Tukoroirangi Morgan. Obvious he is the Captain.
    
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    April 19, 2023 10:40am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

William P on April 18, 2023 at 3:13 pm
A reading of Martin’s analysis of the Littlewood document should also include a look at Donald Loveridge’s “The Littlewood Treaty: An Appraisal of Texts and Interpretations” here:

https://www.wgtn.ac.nz/stout-centre/research-units/towru/publications/The-Littlewood-Treaty.pdf
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April 19, 2023 8:12am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Julian Batchelor on April 19, 2023 at 5:59
  
  The word among other historians is that Donald was paid by the government to do a hatchet job.
  
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  April 19, 2023 8:13am
NothingLeft

Interesting quirk in USA; corruption – bribing members govt directly – is illegal, but paying off their families is (not joking) not. So Biden, in getting his family paid off, is not actually breaking the law, unless (I guess) he is the ultimate benefactor.
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April 19, 2023 8:12am
- RoboRob
  
  I’m not 100% sure on the legalities around it but my understanding is that while it has been illegal to accept bribes from foreign entities, it has generally been excepted that the ruling elite (incl senators) will indirectly benefit from their positions post politics (by speaking tours / endorsements etc). This is how the Obamas and Clintons went from relatively low earners to multi-millionaires.
  
  While in office their families get positions they are unsuited to / would never have achieved otherwise. On the right we see attacks on Hunter Biden for his $1m per year role with a Ukraine based oil company when he has no experience in the industry and cant speak Ukrainian. On the left they attack Jarred Kushner (Trumps son in law) for his investment fund.
  
  Whilst these activities may not be legal they are ‘accepted’ as part of the business of being in power. Probably because they are so hard to define. Did Jarrad Kushners fund get its Arab investments because it’s a good fund or was it because of his relationship with Trump. Is Nancy Polosis husband the best sharemarket investor in the world or does he have insider knowledge?
  
  The real issue comes when the there is a direct link between the foreign actor and the person in a position of power.
  
  The Hunter Biden issue appears to be more of an issue as there may have been ‘direct corruption’. Written testimony from Tony Bobulinsku (former business partner with Hunter) indicates a 10% cut for tbe ‘big guy’, whom Bobulinsku identifies as Joe. This is backed by a number of leaked emails from Hunters Laptop to Joe Biden. We also have footage from Joe Biden using his position to remove a Ukrainian prosecutor who was looking into Hunters company. Whilst the US might have been wanting to remove this guy for other, valid reasons, it certainly has the air of a quid pro qou. With the amount of ‘stuff’ out there I am surprised the FBI haven’t run an investigation into this link. One would have thought it important to either know your president is corrupt or disprove the rumours. The fact the FBI seen hesitant to look into the Bobulinsku claim is concerning.
  
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  April 19, 2023 9:25am
  - Mike
    
    A more clear-cut case of corruption might be the failure of Justice Thomas to disclose any of the extravagant favors he received from his billionaire friend over many years, and his failure to recuse himself from relevant litigation.
    
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    April 19, 2023 11:14am
    - RoboRob
      
      I would expect the authorities to check up on that one as well. I guess the issue there is, can one become friends with wealthy people while they are a judge, and if they do can they ‘hang’ with said wealthy people. Can they accept gifts from them. I would assume there are laws around what oen must or must not do with gifts whilst a Justice.
      
      However I don’t see how Justice Thomas’s actions make any difference to my points we Hunter Biden. One could say the Biden case is clearer cut for two reasons…
      1) Bidens involves a foreign player
      2) Bidens case involves cash payments rather than holidays on yachts
      
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      April 19, 2023 11:55am
Yvette

CALEB ANDERSON: Democracy – A beacon that flickered over the weekend

… Comments by Kieran McAnulty, and others within Labour’s caucus, that it is safe to play around at the edges of democracy are dangerous in the extreme and stunningly ignorant. Co-government and democracy cannot co-exist. Co-governance is antithetical to democracy.

While differentials in power, status, wealth, intelligence, health, propensity for political engagement (etc) will always exist, democracy remains a beacon to the inalienable right of the weakest among us to stand no higher or lower than others, and to hold to account those who seek to rule over us and to rid ourselves of them when we choose.

This beacon has shone brightly in our past but it flickered over the weekend, a reminder to us of just how much is at stake.

What comes before this excerpt is here –
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/caleb-anderson-democracy-a-beacon-that-flickered-over-the-weekend

Caleb Anderson, a graduate history, economics, psychotherapy and theology, has been an educator for over thirty years, twenty as a school principal.
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April 19, 2023 8:13am
NeverMindTheBollocks

It’s interesting that no remnant of any of the original Maori canoes has ever been found. They’re only 800-odd years old, after all, not old in the grand scheme of things. Big, solid lumps of wood too. It would be fascinating to analyse the timber, to see where they came from.

It’s odd also that, at some point, Maori simply stopped long distance voyaging. Did they lose the ability to build large canoes? Forget how to navigate? Why did they not spend any time in Australia? Surely, they knew it was there.

Questions, questions.
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April 19, 2023 8:14am
- herb1
  
  We’re regularly told how wonderful Maori Navigators were and the accuracy of their handed down memories.
  Isn’t it a truth about navigation that you need to know where you are before you can navigate to where you want to be.
  Maori should know where they came from and their handed down memories should tell us this
  
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  April 19, 2023 8:49am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  They’re only 800-odd years old,
  
  Unless the canoes ended up in an oxygen-free environment (i.e. a swamp, or buried by an ash-fall, cliff collapse?), they would have rotted away within 200-300 years.
  
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  April 19, 2023 9:18am
  - Nickc2
    
    They’re parked up under the Scientific Module at Scott Base Antarctica.
    Maui Uber delivered the paddlers back to whatever NZ was called in those days.
    
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    April 19, 2023 9:29am
  - Drone
    
    @Maggy W but the original arrivals were a skilled ocean going race, did they not continue to develop bigger, better sea going craft.
    
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    April 19, 2023 10:28am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I am no sailor… so can’t assist with how and why canoe technology developed…
      
      But as an ecologist I would think that once folks had arrived in NZ, they discovered they were on a much larger land mass than any of the Pacific atolls they had set out from.
      
      In NZ they had a plentiful supply of fresh water, coastal protein (shell fish, fish and seals), and bird protein to keep them well nourished for a good few hundred years before population pressures came into play and some groups retreated inland (Tuhoe, Tuwharatoa) and others set off for new lands…. (Chatham Is; ?Subantarctic).
      
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      April 19, 2023 11:41am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Don’t know if you’ve ever been to the Auckland Museum, Maggz?
    But there’s one just inside the main entrance.
    
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    April 19, 2023 11:08am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      That was made in NZ tho’.
      
      The first canoes to arrive in NZ would not have been constructed from NZ native trees.
      
      The oldest canoe found in NZ dates from the 1400s and is made of Matai…. so cannot have been one of the canoes that brought the first folk to NZ.
      
      https://www.sci.news/archaeology/science-polynesian-ocean-sailing-canoe-new-zealand-02182.html
      
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      April 19, 2023 11:47am
      - Nickc2
        
        FWIW, I was taught in school that the canoes of the Maori Migration were constructed from Asau (W Samoa) teak (a Kauri specis).
        
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        April 19, 2023 11:59am
- Ehlana
  
  Evidence suggests Maori got to NZ in the 13th century (1250 or so). There was a little Ice Age from about 1400 – 1900 AD, which may have reduced temperatures and changed local weather enough to discourage further voyaging.
  
  And I’m guessing those canoes might have been repurposed to provide early shelter?
  
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  April 19, 2023 10:06am
- rouppe
  
  I’ve idly wondered if the original voyagers were banished from where they lived due to being violent, attempted usurpers etc.
  
  No basis for that, just similar wondering “why leave an idyllic island”?
  
  My limited understanding of east-west navigation is that it requires a timepiece, a sextant (or compass), and the ability to record the results of reading star readings in order to accurately plot your position.
  
  None of which Maori had
  
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  April 19, 2023 10:31am
  - Inandout
    
    We are told Matariki is how they got here, by star gazing and fighting the prevailing westerly winds. Food and drink must have been a problem across the vast Pacific as they had no way of preserving or distilling. I think a detailed look at the whole voyage may throw up laughable discrepancies.
    
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    April 19, 2023 11:01am
  - Nickc2
    
    Don’t forget the Chronometer and a set of Sight Reduction Tables.
    Oh, that’s right, they were hidden behind the GPS above the Chart Table. //
    
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    April 19, 2023 12:04pm
  - JohnRidd
    
    “why leave an idyllic island”?
    
    Over population.
    
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    April 19, 2023 12:52pm
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Try reading some history to inform yourself.
  
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  April 19, 2023 10:56am
  - Nickc2
    
    Whose version of History? Surely, it can’t be the version today’s education curricula are based on.
    I haven’t read any NZ History written post-2017 that I would hang a hook on its truthfulness.
    
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    April 19, 2023 11:30am
    - Bob
      
      post-2017……
      try post 1950. That would be about the last time any accurate history of NZ was written.
      
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      April 19, 2023 11:53am
- Mike
  
  I mentioned above in this thread an excellent little book providing a starting point for those interested in what is actually known about Polynesian voyaging and settlement.
  Kerry Howe’s The Quest for Origins. It’s a smallish paperback of only 200 pages or so.
  
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  April 19, 2023 11:18am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    The Prehistory of New Zealand by Janet Davidson is a very good book going from the Lapita people and pacific origins, through to the classification of artefacts and archaeology of NZ.
    
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    April 19, 2023 1:05pm
- Bob
  
  They were actually on their way to Antartica, and stopped by in NZ to purchase food from the MORIORI, but ate them instead and took over the settlements; rather than going on to Antarctica. Which they would have known was cold and desolate!
  
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  April 19, 2023 11:49am
- mogg
  
  Totara lasts forever but is a very dense timber and would be too heavy for canoes. More bouyant native timber wold not last 5 mins when buried.
  
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  April 19, 2023 12:55pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  I have never seen, nor aware of the current existence, of the wicker screens said to have been used during the siege of Acre in 1241; but I believe they existed.
  
  Remains of archaic vessels have been found, but not any that would be claimed to be of the original ‘settlement’ transporting canoes.
  Polynesians were still making ocean going canoes/double hulled when Cook observed them, but in NZ, it was probably enough to feed yourself from the abundance of the land or the coast rather than going far to sea like the smaller-island populations did & still do.
  The fishing gear found in sites 600 years ago in NZ are also different to those used at the time of Cook, because the Maori were no longer fishing the same way for the same species.
  A good marker for early sites are ‘trolling lures’ of a type unknown to the later Maori – I have a few recovered from early sites, which I have surface collected.
  
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  April 19, 2023 1:11pm
Maggie Pie

My partner’s mum joined us at home for dinner last night.
I always love hearing her reminisce. She was saying she remembers when people were happy being their biological sex, all the cars ran on petrol, schools recited the “Our Father” during assembly, you treated the oldies with utmost respect, feminism had never been heard of, God reigned supreme, and the men weren’t little fairy bitches.
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April 19, 2023 8:14am
- Mike
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Are you being blasphemous to imply that God doesn’t reign supreme? Possibly another sin to add to your next confession.
  
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  April 19, 2023 8:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  ” the men weren’t little fairy bitches.”
  I like that, it is so true. They are becoming more effeminate by the day, and they have ‘rights’ you know.
  Steer clear.
  
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  April 19, 2023 8:26am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Part of the de population agenda. Men can’t have babies. Oops, does that make me a TERF? Get me a Facebook frame, I’ll display it proudly…..
    
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    April 19, 2023 8:35am
  - Bob
    
    becoming more effeminate…..
    a direct result of a lack of male parenting in the home. No suitable ‘Male Role Models’ in many homes today!
    
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    April 19, 2023 11:55am
- pdm
  
  mp – 1960 to 1963 we also sang God Save The Queen at every school Assembly as well as saying the Lords Prayer..
  
  Central Hawkes Bay College, Waipukurau was the High School.
  
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  April 19, 2023 8:30am
  - CRM114
    
    pdm, I was at CHBC in the 80’s, fortunately they’d stopped that silliness by then.
    
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    April 19, 2023 10:54am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Jeeze, the sound systems where shit.
    Sang and saying the Lord’s Prayer. Yes I was there and followed.
    I have said before I respect people of Faith.
    
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    April 19, 2023 5:31pm
    - Mike
      
      All faiths?
      
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      April 19, 2023 6:20pm
- Rusty
  
  @ Maggie- Do we still have that rugby, racing, and beer culture in NZ?
  
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  April 19, 2023 8:38am
  - Mike
    
    “Don’t give me culcha
    I’m not hearing you, Rob”
    
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    April 19, 2023 8:59am
- Nickc2
  
  Your partner’s mom has more sense than most.
  
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  April 19, 2023 8:42am
- Biscuit
  
  Hey, Maggie, tell your partner’s mum to lay off clobbering us little fairy bitches!
  
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  April 19, 2023 9:35am
hullkiwi

I know supply chain on foreign imported goods is bad. But it is a bit much when a passenger liner is tied up alongside Auckland’s container wharf this morning!
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April 19, 2023 8:14am
- kowtow
  
  An apt metaphor exemplifying how our economy has turned into a Cargo Cult .
  
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  April 19, 2023 8:56am
- virtualmark
  
  You just wait till you see how they unload the passengers …
  
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  April 19, 2023 9:43am
- Taieri
  
  But it is a bit much when a passenger liner is tied up alongside Auckland’s container wharf
  —————
  
  There’s a very simple reason for it. It’s the size of this fine vessel.
  
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  April 19, 2023 10:00am
  - hullkiwi
    
    I preferred the description of it as metaphor rather than using logic. On the other hand it still says Auckland has a problem being a tourist destination if the port can’t accommodate a large ship.
    
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    April 19, 2023 5:35pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Imagine if it got stuck in the mud in an outgoing tide??
    Could be a long wait. Never been on a cruise ship and no intensions to do so.
    Leave the Port – 360 view of water, Ok down to the casino? Nope, the Bar. Dinner in room. Then breakfast. Get up and look at the horizon. No land —Bar!
    Rinse and repeat
    
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    April 19, 2023 5:39pm
Gravelroad

Earlier this week, David Seymour, ACT party, held a public election meeting in Blenheim which attracted 300 people.
I know a bit about this town. That 300 turned up to a political meeting there was nothing short of amazing.
But, of course, according to many of the comments made on social media afterwards, the majority of those attending were old and Pakeha – as though that somehow minimised the impact.
But there was one comment which drew a comparison between how old Maori and Pakeha are perceived.
The status, experience and life knowledge of older Maori must be valued and respected. If the majority of the 300 had been older Maori, I don’t think their age would have been highlighted as somehow a negative.
But (and I wasn’t there) many commenters said that the meeting was a crock because so many were old, irrelevant white people – who just do not matter.
That is New Zealand today.
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April 19, 2023 8:19am
- Blog-aholic
  
  No, that is the Aotearoa that Ardern and her cabal have created.
  
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  April 19, 2023 8:26am
- Swifty
  
  I’ve seen that in the ‘lowering the voting age’ debate too – the views of old people don’t matter as much as those of the young.
  
  Quite remarkable – for Millenia people have revered old folk as wise and knowledgeable, but in the space of a few years all that has been thrown out by those who find it convenient for their arguments.
  
  Now, it is the views of the young, excitable, and inexperienced which should be given the greatest weight.
  
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  April 19, 2023 8:26am
- kowtow
  
  We do matter .
  
  We vote , they don’t.
  
  ( ok ,broad generalisation but true )
  
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  April 19, 2023 9:00am
  - mawm
    
    We also pay tax.
    
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    April 19, 2023 4:16pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      They’ll miss us when we’re gone
      
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      April 19, 2023 7:48pm
- JackRabbit
  
  And when speaking of who attended, and how the press puts a slant on it – with the Wellington protest, per head of population, Maoris and Labour voters were over represented.
  
  The media and govt went to great lengths to hide that fact, as it was very embarrassing. Very embarrassing that the protest was overly represented by the people that voted them into power.
  
  Hell hath no fury like a women scorned, or a pissed off voter who realises he or she has been betrayed.
  
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  April 19, 2023 9:42am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Many will be Nat voters wanting to hear what they have to say
  
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  April 19, 2023 9:48am
  - mawm
    
    You should probably reflect on why they want to hear what ACT has to say.
    
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    April 19, 2023 4:18pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  Old white people still get to vote, at the moment!
  
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  April 19, 2023 1:42pm
Warren

Well who would have thought that especially when the Government has been denying that it was the fault of the Russian, Ukraine War and other problems World Wide.
‘Government Spending Stoked Inflation-
Treasury Paper’.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/government-spending-stoked-inflation-treasury-paper/RF63AMUQC5GRJFI5YN2A4ERZWY/
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April 19, 2023 8:20am
- kowtow
  
  Govt debt has doubled since 2017.
  
  Latest news , hear all about it .
  
  $13 million for the Solomon Islands !
  
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  April 19, 2023 9:02am
dave_c_

I found the following link, that more than adequately and fairly, describes exactly what is going on in the world.
Ever wondered why we see the same things happening at the same time across many countries?
This link will explain the why, how, and what our prospects are going forward.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/historical-analysis-of-the-global-elite-ransacking-the-world-economy-until-youll-own-nothing/5805779
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April 19, 2023 8:22am
- krazykiwi
  
  That’s a solid read. I found the history of the Bank of England particularly interesting.
  
  Fractional reserve banking and latterly fiat currency used by rapacious privately held central banks to plunder individuals will be our undoing.
  
  Yes, rage against 3W and government largess, but the harm here is relatively illusory. The real game is wrestling total control of humanity, the choking democracy, sovereignty and personal agency by a metastasizing ruling class.
  
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  April 19, 2023 9:24am
  - Nickc2
    
    It’s as good a story as any!
    
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    April 19, 2023 9:33am
    - Mike
      
      Written since 2017, so possibly nothing you would trust.
      
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      April 19, 2023 12:01pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Setting aside the obviously prescient sub-title “Ransacking the World Economy Until ‘You’ll Own Nothing'”, what part of “Copyright (c) Robert J Burrows, Global Research, 2023” is confusing for you?
        
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        April 19, 2023 3:57pm
      - Mike
        
        It’s not my problem – it was Nick2 who wrote that nothing written since 2017 could be accurate.
        
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        April 19, 2023 4:51pm
redeye

Just wondering, are we allowing unvaxxed nurses to work yet?

Only half the beds in a newly opened, state-of-the-art intensive care unit at Starship Hospital are being used after a $40 million upgrade – partly because of a shortage of specialist nurses.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/half-of-starship-hospitals-40m-intensive-care-unit-sitting-empty-because-of-severe-nursing-shortages/
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April 19, 2023 8:24am
Matt Long

California’s government punishes Red states by refusing to pay for junkets there. Red states love the policy.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/california-democrat-admits-ban-state-travel-red-states-didnt-work-seperates-us
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April 19, 2023 8:26am
Matt Long

If you stand for women’s rights and a woman wishes to change her mind and Keep her baby, you don’t prevent her from that do you?
Otherwise it looks from the outside that it’s killing babies you stand for, not women’s rights.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/colorado-healthcare-clinic-sues-state-law-banning-use-hormone-reverses-effects-abortion-pill
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April 19, 2023 8:29am
- mandk
  
  No, you don’t.
  
  Not unless you are not really pro-choice, but are actually pro-death.
  
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  April 19, 2023 8:45am
- Ehlana
  
  I’d imagine there’s a fairly short window in which this would be feasible. You’d need to be very careful not to give people false hope, or the idea that an abortion is something they can change their minds about later.
  
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  April 19, 2023 2:27pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Early today. Seems like this Treaty business is getting hot. That can only be a good thing. My opinion is to disband the 1975 Waitangi Tribunal. It is a rort!

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/mid-1800s-missionary-tells-the-truth-about-new-zealands-early-history/
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April 19, 2023 8:31am
Yvette

Vague history question (and a lot of history is now vague) –
How many years after signing the Treaty did either the Crown or Maori realise the two versions – Maori and English – did not say the same thing?
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April 19, 2023 8:32am
- Blog-aholic
  
  About 1975.
  
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  April 19, 2023 8:57am
- Mike
  
  You could start by reading one of the general histories which provide a general overview, such as Michael King’s Penguin History of New Zealand, and then perhaps moving on to more specific works about the Treaty and Māori relationships with the settlers in the nineteenth century.
  
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  April 19, 2023 11:23am
Tony Stuart

National will ban the sale of farms to foreigners for planting in forestry. Given the destruction wrought on many rural areas thanks to a loophole deliberately left in the Overseas Investment Act by the Labour/NZF government, this is very welcome news.

Shane Jones’ One Billion Trees project had a hugely negative effect on rural communities, especially when most of the money generated from carbon farming went offshore.
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April 19, 2023 8:32am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  I agree with the decision.
  
  However, as I have said many times, politicians are hopelessly conflicted on climate change. Massive forestry offsets will be pivotal in allowing New Zealand to get anywhere ‘net zero’ by 2050. If such offsets are to be greatly diminished, what plan does Mr Luxon have of reaching ‘net zero’? Of course he has no plan.
  
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  April 19, 2023 8:43am
  - Nickc2
    
    The Climate Change rort will have faded into obscurity long before 2050.
    It’s currently fading fast as it’s discovered the so caller Scientific data has been sanitised to produce a preconceived outcome.
    
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    April 19, 2023 8:51am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Net Zero creates a rush of rosy, virtue filled feeling in the unthinking – there is ZERO evidence of anthropocentric emissions leading to calamitous outcomes for humanity.
    
    In contrast, Net Zero ‘achievement’ will mean impoverished servitude and the largest reversal of health, education, liberty and hope in the history of humanity.
    
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    April 19, 2023 9:29am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Did you notice that Luxon dropped this and never mentioned climate change at all, Labour wanted it do it was supposedly fixing the climate
      
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      April 19, 2023 9:57am
      - krazykiwi
        
        Translation: I’m too cowardly to make any change so instead I’ll quietly acquiesce with the status quo.
        
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        April 19, 2023 11:01am
  - Littletramp
    
    This is of no concern to those of us who consider this whole net zero concept a b/s fraudulent premise, with no scientific basis for it’s existence other than raping taxpayers.
    Same for the current pandering to the sexual weirdos. Same for all rule making for society being made by and for activist minority groups – just name your favorite victim group.
    Give the world back to the grown ups.
    
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    April 19, 2023 9:31am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It’s nothing to do with NZ getting net zero, it’s foreigners and owners of huge companies that are buying these farms and destroying them with pine, companies like IKEA who are doing it to off set their pollution and flying private jets
    
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    April 19, 2023 9:56am
  - pdm
    
    WC – I see no need to worry about being `net zero’ at any time.
    
    Nature will just change over time to make such a target needless and worthless.
    
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    April 19, 2023 9:58am
  - rockape
    
    Well he could count all the grass and native forests ,I am sure that will equal the balance rather than flogging of good productive farmland.
    
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    April 19, 2023 11:03am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Most sheep and beef farmers are classed as carbon neutral they plated on non-productive parts of their land Rocky.
      
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      April 19, 2023 11:58am
- artemisia
  
  Completely agree but with discouraging – rather than banning – conversion of farms to forestry.
  
  However, I do wonder if an exception could be made in the case of Hamish Edwards plan to create an international level golf course on land north of Wellington. So far his plan to spend $50mill is failing due to local Tukorehe iwi saying only 9 holes should be allowed due to some dead locals buried there and the Environment Court agreed. There is an appeal pending. Believe the sale to Mr Edwards will not go ahead if his plan is not allowed.
  
  The owner might like to consider selling their farm for pine trees as an alternative to attracting big investment and lots of well off visitors to a not well off area.
  
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  April 19, 2023 8:48am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  There’s a lot of land owned by NZers (esp. Iwi) that is being converted into Pine forests solely for C-credits.
  
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/east-coast-farm-collapses-after-maori-carbon-group-takes-over
  
  It is time to review the ETS scheme (I favour abandoning it altogether) so that C credits can be awarded preferentially to private land retained in well-maintained Native forest and reverting native scrub.
  
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  April 19, 2023 9:30am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I thought the sale was to foreigners with huge bank balances, I know this gutless government are renting poor performing land and putting trees in, the ones I know through work have stated that it won’t effect production at all
    
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    April 19, 2023 10:00am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes, heard Luxon on the radio with Hoskings fill in, his answer was to rubbish him because dictate to the farmer who he will sell to, it’s bullshit of course, this policy has been absolutely destructive to agri in this country, they are getting money to put premiums on the sale of the farms, keeping NZers out, if you think about this a bit, I would not be surprised one little bit if the foreigners are getting tax payer subsidies to pay over the value, all hushed up of course.
  
  I note it’s a 19 point policy on farming to stop red tape which Is holding farmers back
  
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  April 19, 2023 9:53am
Maggie Pie

Ma was also telling us that Sir Bob Jones (she still calls him Bobby) was predicting a LANDSLIDE WIN to National in October….with Labor lucky to retain 20 seats!
And as a side benefit for readers of the Herald, the insufferable Simon Wilson will probably be suicidal. LOL!!
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April 19, 2023 8:33am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  “LANDSLIDE WIN” and MMP are mutually exclusive.
  
  “A landslide victory is an election result in which the victorious candidate or party wins by an overwhelming margin.”
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landslide_victory
  
  Probability of National winning government by an overwhelming margin = zero.
  
  Probability of a National-ACT coalition winning government by an overwhelming margin = close to zero.
  
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  April 19, 2023 8:49am
  - Nickc2
    
    There always has to be one. Why is it always you?
    
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    April 19, 2023 8:54am
    - Widogast Corwin
      
      Good training I guess.
      
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      April 19, 2023 2:37pm
    - Widogast Corwin
      
      If National-ACT form a government it will be by the barest of margins – 1 – 3 seats.
      
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      April 19, 2023 7:38pm
  - coge
    
    Like census, election 2023 will suffer low turnout.
    Let’s be honest here, the electorate are hardly going to be queuing up to vote National under Chris Luxon. National might find themselves being able to form or negotiate to form Govt. But no landslide.
    
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    April 19, 2023 10:48am
    - kowtow
      
      Traditionally low turn out favours right of centre.
      
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      April 19, 2023 12:11pm
      - mawm
        
        I keep looking but just can’t find it.
        
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        April 19, 2023 4:26pm
  - RoboRob
    
    I normally would agree, but we just saw Labour have a Landslide win in the last election. Getting > 50% vote is a landslide in MMP.
    
    I would have thought Labour under 35% and a National vote > 45% percent or a National & Act vote > 55% as a landslide win.
    
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    April 19, 2023 10:58am
    - Widogast Corwin
      
      ” National & Act vote > 55% as a landslide win..”
      
      Not happening.
      
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      April 19, 2023 7:40pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Under MMP there has been the extraordinary COVID play that resulted in Labour gaining close to a landslide in 2020, but there has never been such an extraordinarily bad government as the current one under MMP.
    The last clown show was 1990 when the remnants of the Lange/Douglas government lost in a real landslide.
    The conditions are good for another landslide if only we had a credible opposition, but there’s a good chance of a change of government with a reasonable majority even so.
    
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    April 19, 2023 2:22pm
- Grunter
  
  Sir Bob has for said for more than a year that Nat/ACT will hit 60%. I hope he is right but only if ACT make up at least 20% of the 60%.
  
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  April 19, 2023 9:00am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Act will get my party vote again.
    
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    April 19, 2023 1:43pm
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    So why are the polls consistently showing a real possibility of a Labour-Green-Maori Party coalition?
    
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    April 19, 2023 2:39pm
Ehlana

A Democrat representative in California who voted for the ban originally now wants it repealed and “replaced with a publicity campaign in red states promoting LGBTQ inclusion”.

So a California lawmaker says money taken from taxpayers in California should be used to fund publicity campaigns in other states to try to change their minds on an issue.

Somehow, I don’t think that will end polarisation.
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April 19, 2023 8:37am
Widogast Corwin

These activists – cheered on by Stuff journalists – are wailing that David Parker refused to shut down NZ Steel because of ‘climate change’.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/131769530/david-parker-failed-to-stop-nzs-11thbiggest-emitter-beating-a-climate-law

What is the problem? NZ Steel needs to cover all of its emissions by buying emissions units in the ETS. That is the beginning and end of its obligations.

What is horrifying here is that, if the report is correct, the Ministry for the Environment advised Parker to refer the consent of NZ Steel’s operations to the EPA. They would only do this if they wanted NZ Steel to be shut down.
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April 19, 2023 8:38am
- Swifty
  
  I’m sorry, this is an area where I just don’t understand the thinking of some.
  
  New Zealand needs steel.
  
  If New Zealand needs steel, aren’t we better to give local steel makers a chance to compete, meaning wages, jobs and investment are pumped into the local economy, rather than sourcing our steel offshore with the added costs of transport etc?
  
  Won’t we be the ultimate hypocrites if we shun local manufacture, for reasons of environmental virtuousness, but be happy to buy steel made offshore?
  
  I just don’t get it.
  
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  April 19, 2023 9:24am
  - RoboRob
    
    The left are ultimate hypocrites in the environmental area. We already have the issue where we are ‘good’ becuase we dont mine our own coal / oil and instead import others.
    
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    April 19, 2023 11:00am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    Yes of course you are correct. However, the Government has no concerns about global emissions. It is all about reducing New Zealand emissions to look good on the world stage.
    
    Imagine even 5 years ago, the media cheering for the closure of a major manufacturer and employer? The country has gone mad.
    
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    April 19, 2023 2:42pm
- bjools
  
  Steel products are also transported daily. The mill employs 1,150 full-time staff and 200 semi-permanent contractors.
  Maybe he asked his union mates, whether they approved the potential loss of membership dues?
  
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  April 19, 2023 9:46am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    May be he did
    
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    April 19, 2023 7:56pm
- Matt Long
  
  I understand NZ Steel is one of the industries given a carve out exemption from the ETS due to international competition?
  
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  April 19, 2023 2:24pm
Matt Long

Mark Hanley asked a question yesterday about why people should vote for anyone except his most excellent wetness this election.
This may help, for National to win 4his election they will need a coalition with ACT, it doesn’t matter to the left what percentage of this coalition is wet or wetter, they will present it as NACT cutting services, pay for health care, callous ultra right wing.
For the non wet voter, vote for the people and policies you want in government. At 10 percent ACT will have little real power and influence in a Nat lead government, ask Rodney Hide how it was for him in Key’s government.
If you want Key and Ardern’s bad policies rolled back ACT has to get to a higher percentage.
Party vote ACT for a centrist coalition and vote your local National Candidate unless they’re a total prat.
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April 19, 2023 8:44am
- Mark Hanley
  
  Thanks for your belated reply Matt. I was hoping you would provide factual answers to support your position rather than continuing with the baseless name calling so….
  
  Which ACT policies do you believe will transform NZ, why? and how do they differ from National’s?
  
  What senior management positions was Seymour promoted to and what is his experience implementing large scale change in large scale organisation’s successfully?
  
  Which ACT policies were implemented in their last term of goverment which still exist today?
  
  How does baseless name calling of Luxon, National, and anyone who asks for the detail you believe supports your position help ACT?
  
  We wouldn’t want voters to fall into the trap of voting for a party without assessing their polcies and their talent to implement policies again would we?
  
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  April 19, 2023 9:17am
  - RoboRob
    
    Didn’t see this discussion yesterday but I will say…
    
    1) Matt is 100% correct in stating that ACT will need a decent percent of the vote to be able to influence National policy. Its simple fact, conversely National wants a high % vote to avoid being pushed around be Act.
    
    2) Your comment about Acts policies being removed (charter schools and three strikes) is grossly unfair. One could say, the fact the left moved so swiftly to remove them indicates they were sound right wing policy as opposed to some National policy they have kept. I liked the Key govt, but was hugely frustrated that he kept working for families. I understand the political issues but what point having power, Labour aren’t scared to make unpopular changes.
    
    3) There are clear policy differences between National and Act, for example around education funding. If you think the policies are the same why not vote Act instead of National.
    
    4) Agree re experience. It is very important to have skilled people in power, we have seen what happens if you don’t with the current government. However experience comes from more than just running big businesses, I would argue the Seymours political experience far out ways that of Mr Luxons. My concern with Act is the quality of the less well known Act candidates.
    
    Personally I feel Mr Luxon seems too much the business man, not wanting to put his head up and stand up for his principals. Where on the right wing does he stand? Is the free market, is he civil liberty, is he conservative, is he small govt? You don’t have to be all or any of these but with Luxon we just don’t know. With Key and English we did.
    
    Yours
    Undecided right wing voter
    
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    April 19, 2023 11:20am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Robo. I understand you want to raise the ACT vote but how does general and unsubstantiated abuse of National and Luxon increase ACT’s chances of being in government. ACT will need national?
      
      Isn’t explaining the reasons to vote for ACT a much more effective way of changing people minds.
      
      You correctly identified the problem regarding rightwing policies, they get removed. Implementing policies which increase wealth and happiness and stand the test of time is key (pun intended). National’s broadband fibre project is a great example.
      
      Business experts with experience managing large scale change in large organisations understand that ideological changes will not last. Act’s education funding model is a good idea but like 3 strikes and charter schools it will be removed with the stroke of a pen at the next change in government.
      
      I like Seymour’s honesty and intellect and I like his TOW referendum policy but (except for the end of life bill which is neither left nor right) his political experience has not resulted in enduring and meaningful change for NZers.
      
      So ACT supporters, please stop baseless abuse of the party and leader you will require to see any of ACT’s policies implemented.
      
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      April 19, 2023 12:35pm
      - RoboRob
        
        Just to clarify. I am not out to raise Acts vote. I want to raise the votes for those on the right. Oh and I aagree, personal attacks acheive nothing.
        
        Avoiding good policy becuase it is easy to remove is a fail, in my book. The right need to be more clever with their policy to make it harder to remove. The ease of removing policy doesn’t stop the left implementing it 🙂
        
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        April 19, 2023 1:29pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Robo, being clever with policy to ensure it endures is the very skill a successful CEO executes, otherwise they soon find themselves on the dole queue.
        
        You have seen that naively implementing good policy with no consideration of medium term endurance / success is a definite fail!
        
        I considered an upper house of parliament but it is very expensive and can be won by the same party which wins government!
        
        The citizens referendum requirement would force a party to declare all their policies prior to their election then ask the electorate for their approval for any changes or additions.
        
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        April 19, 2023 2:12pm
    - Mark Hanley
      
      PS. see my previous suggestions for voters’ referenda requirements to negate the huge problem of successive Labour party leaders destroying our wealth to bolster their own personal fortunes, which Adern, Hipkins, and Robertson have taken to new extremes.
      
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      April 19, 2023 12:43pm
      - RoboRob
        
        An alternative might be a second tier of government
        
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        April 19, 2023 1:31pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    A few things:
    I prefer ACT’s education policy + crime policies + wish to reduce costs + position on the RMA and various other things.
    ACT believes in reducing Govt meddling in our lives. This makes his “experience” less important. Also note that we’re not advocating he lead the Government.
    ACT only had very limited power under the last National Government and therefore didn’t have many policies get through. Charter Schools and 3 Strikes were both good policies which National weakened. The fact Labour got rid of them is irrelevant.
    Also, I’ve kept an eye on ACT’s MPs and they’ve all handled themselves well. Much better than a number of National MPs to be fair. Surely ACT’s 10-20 on the list are probably going to make better MPs than National’s 40-50 on the list?
    
    I’ll also argue that National has a very obvious core of religious conservatives. A solid core of people with Libertarian beliefs are needed to keep them in check.
    
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    April 19, 2023 12:58pm
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Libeterian, National and Luxon have education policy + crime policies + wish to reduce costs + a position on the RMA and various other things.
      
      Handling yourself well by leaving the public facing role to your leader is a far cry from successfully enacting large scale change in large organisations!
      
      Libertarian or any other belief is worthless if you fail to successfully implement long lasting change (policies).
      
      Identity politics (has a very obvious core of religious conservatives) is surely something an ACT voter should detest. You should focus on the skills and honesty of politicians rather than use the old LABOUR TRICK OF JUDGING THEM BY THEIR CLASSIFICATION!
      
      Telling us MPs are probably going to better than others is not a valid or evidenced argument to change our vote.
      
      What particular ACT policy detail do you support (I have documented my support for their TOW referendum policy) and why (I documented why I support their TOW referendum)? what are their chances of being successfully implemented and what are their chances of enduring?
      
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      April 19, 2023 1:32pm
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Labour also have education policies etc, doesn’t mean I prefer them to ACT’s (Seriously, this reminds me of the “but we have food at home” meme). It is ok to prefer one party’s policies over another.
        
        Huh? You’re arguing vote for 60 National MPs because their leader has experience in business, not me.
        
        National are also terrible at enacting long lasting policies, not just ACT.
        
        Your identity politics argument is pure gaslighting. I am socially liberal and the fact is that National do have a large number of MPs with religious backgrounds that disagree with me on many points (abortion and euthanasia for example) and often vote based on those personal convictions. ACT are far more liberal when it comes to personal rights which is one of the reasons I vote for them.
        
        OK, National has a very well documented recent issue with choosing people poorly suited to politics. ACT’s current crop don’t seem to have these issues. The top of the list are likely to be far closer scrutinised than 50-60 on the list which is a reasonable argument.
        
        Seriously, the ACT website is full of actual policies (mainly because Labour wouldn’t touch them with a 10 foot pole). I agree with most of them.
        
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        April 19, 2023 3:23pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Ok which policies do you agree with and why? What are the chances those policies will be implemented successfully and will endure?
        
        It was you who identified National’s religious mps so I’m not sure how my pointing put the folly of a libeterian doing so is gas lighting.
        
        Can you name a policy which was or wasn’t supported by national on religious grounds?
        
        I’ve named an enduring national policy. The roads of national significance is another. What are acts enduring policies?
        
        How many ACT MPS have the vital change management experience required to implement their policies successfully?
        
        If you vote on people’s religious beliefs you are in the same camp as the women who voted for Adern because she wasn’t a man.
        
        That approach worked well didn’t it?
        
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        April 19, 2023 4:04pm
    - RoboRob
      
      Your selling me on National 🙂
      
      One of the major problems, as witnessed by our current overlords, is a lack of conservation. I for one would appreciate a government who doesn’t want to up end things that have previously worked well (like our old phonics reading system) for the sake of change. I’m not a huge fan of extreme libertarianism (sorry).
      
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      April 19, 2023 1:34pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Referendum requirements should include changes to education (particularly the syllabus, testing, and national reporting against targets, implementation of race based policies, changes to pre-agreed pandemic plans, and changes to infrastructure investment.
        
        NZ needs a list of prioritized, costed, and regularly reported infrastructure requirements cemented in law so we can see when politicians are wasting our money on BS!
        
        Australia uses a similar system for their defence spending so it can’t be sabotaged by their parliamentarians.
        
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        April 19, 2023 2:21pm
cas

The Listener is setting itself up for howls of outrage, demands for right of reply again.( Remember it published the letter from the seven scientists).

This issue has an extract from a book by a woman GP about The Unfortunate Experiment as the Auckland women’s hospital enquiry was called.

She say “the evidence is strong that agendas such as a feminist one- to take the power from male doctors – and a political one influenced the Cartwright enquiry and affected its impartiality.” She believes the Cartwright enquiry was the origin of the severe decline in the overall health services and research into health care in NZ and says the medical profession’s status, its mana, was gutted during the enquiry and by Cartwright’s sweeping pronouncements.

Now I am not sufficiently informed to make any comment about what she has written but I do look forward to the next issue of the Listener.

Some may recall the Jane Tolerton article in the Listener on why Kate Sheppard wasn’t really the only one or the first to campaign for women’s suffrage.

https://www.pressreader.com/new-zealand/new-zealand-listener/20210823/281535114071636

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1809/S00116/new-zealand-men-to-be-congratulated-for-womens-suffrage.htm
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April 19, 2023 8:46am
- obonekenobe
  
  I remember my father (a pathologist) saying that he was sure that Herbert? Green, was primarily concerned with trying to avoid women having unnecessary hysterectomies as a result of gung-ho interpretations of pre cancerous smears. He (Green) was not a political person, merely a medic doing what he thought best, in the interest of his patients. He was completely mystified by what happened to him.
  
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  April 19, 2023 12:59pm
  - Mike
    
    I thought it was about trying to prove a theory that carcinoma in situ did not develop into invasive cancer. This led to women not being offered, or even informed of, treatment options that in some cases could have saved lives, for the sake of improving knowledge about the progress of cervical cancer.
    
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    April 19, 2023 4:23pm
    - obonekenobe
      
      Yes, that’s right, the main issue was that the women involved were not informed and therefore had not given consent.
      
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      April 19, 2023 4:59pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

AI.
https://patriotnewsfeed.com/musk-was-warning-obama-about-dangers-of-ai-no-one-was-listening-watch/?seyid=60590

https://www.foxnews.com/media/elon-musk-develop-truthgpt-warns-civilizational-destruction-ai?intcmp=tw_fnc

Musk to develop TruthGPT.
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April 19, 2023 8:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  AI could actually lie to you
  
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  April 19, 2023 8:48am
  - Random T Person
    
    AI is just software, programmed with the prejudices of the people behind it. Ask ChatGPT for an essay on why climate change is a hoax and see what happens. Ask it to write a poem about a cold winter’s night in a forest, and it dishes up a whole lot of obvious plagiarisations of Frost’s ‘Stopping by the Woods on a Snowy Evening’. I’m a writer by profession and ChatGPT is completely useless to me, because I am a specialist and it is a generalist spewing out likely sounding rubbish…which fools the ignorant. The output is like a high school kid’s homework, for the most part.
    A very good article here:
    https://advantage.nz/what-maths-tells-us-about-chatgpt-and-other-software-like-it/
    
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    April 19, 2023 9:09am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      As a retired engineer, this is way out of my depth, and I know it.
      
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      April 19, 2023 11:31am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I wonder what I would get when asking Chat GTP about how to set the ‘toe and heel’ in a car differential? Or to install an American Carlisle Electric/Hydraulic Braking system? Sounds like fun!
        
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        April 19, 2023 11:35am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Give it a go, Steve, & report back.
        
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        April 19, 2023 8:00pm
  - Nickc2
    
    That’s what Musk is saying. He wants to develop an App that’ll detect AI BS.
    Watch him on Tucker Carlson’s show today as he explains that the FBI and other US Law Enforcement Agencies and Media Services had back-door access to Twitter under its previous ownership.
    
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    April 19, 2023 9:13am
  - Diogenes
    
    I have tried ChatGPT a few times over the last month. You have to be extremely careful with the information it throws up. In one case, I got some very helpful tips regarding a music project I am working on. But when I asked for some biographical info on an historical figure (an ancestor who was well known at the time), it served up a load of rubbish, effectively inventing details which I knew to be wildly inaccurate. When I challenged some of those, it responded “I’m sorry, I made a mistake”. I’ve had similar experiences on several other occasions.
    
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    April 19, 2023 9:49am
  - graham
    
    Oh yes. Here’s a story by a computer scientist, who is studying for an advanced master of laws in data protection, privacy, cyber security, and leadership, who had a play with ChatGPT about two months ago – and was quite surprised when ChatGPT told him he was dead.
    
    https://www.theregister.com/2023/03/02/chatgpt_considered_harmful/
    
    And rather worryingly, when he started querying ChatGPT about his supposed death, it started to appear that the AI was determined to double down on the lie by mentioning reputable media outlets in an attempt to make the story more believable. Even providing a fake link to his obituary on The Guardian‘s website!
    
    It’s well worth a read. Unlike most of the dross served to us by our media, this guy knows what he is talking about.
    
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    April 19, 2023 10:19am
    - Random T Person
      
      Very interesting article, Graham – but the mistake Hanff makes is treating the chatGPT software like a human. By that, I mean he is interrogating its intent; software doesn’t have intent. So where he finds things sinister or disturbing, it is because he is analysing the responses of software as if they were made by a person.
      That is a fundamental mistake. It is also why ‘it is not what is said, but who says it’ that is so important. Intent matters. And only people can have intent (well, ‘sentient beings’ is probably more accurate).
      
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      April 19, 2023 10:43am
ClanMcleod

I’ve posted re all cause excess mortality a number of times, because it is concerning and it correlates with the beginning of the universal “vaccination” policy.

On the other side of the coin is the declining birth rate. This post is specific to Sweden. No doubt similar trends will be seen elsewhere, including NZ.

i remain distraught that the countries experiencing this are not making greater efforts to determine the cause. (or if they are, they are sure not sharing it) this seems an awfully serious matter to ignore and if the jabs caused this, we need to know and the data exists to comp birth rates by vaxx status 9 months prior and really put this to bed, but it’s not being shared. instead we’re getting a gish gallop of badly conceived and slanted studies on IVF, late term pregnancy, and miscarriages that are slanted, riddled with left truncation issues, and generally not suited for purpose.

at a certain point having “the officials” choose such a path rather than the simple one with simple definitive data that we know they have starts to look dispositive and like yet another game of “hide the ball.”

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/sweden-birthrates-feb-2023-still

In NZ, our bureaucrats and politicians are playing “hide the ball” with all of our covid statistics, in particular injuries and deaths.
Watch this space, this narrative is crumbling on a weekly basis.
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April 19, 2023 8:47am
- Grunter
  
  Western Govts and their MSM cronies are all saying “Nothing to see here – move on”. BUT:
  
  1. Excess deaths continue to track 10%-25% above historic averages in countries that had high jab rates. This includes NZ that is approx 16%.
  
  2. Birth rates are dropping in these countries.
  
  3. Insurance companies are now reporting a significant increase in life insurance claims and a corresponding decline in profitability
  
  4. Cancer rates are up significantly, particularly in aggressive cancers. Sales of cancer drugs to treat these is showing a corresponding increase.
  
  Even if you are totally deluded and still think the jab is worth taking, you can not argue that the health data we are seeing isn’t a major concern. At the very least we should have a full and open investigation into what is happening.
  
  Maybe we even need a daily stand-up from the Pulpit of Truth to keep us up to date (shudder, gag, gag, puke…..)
  
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  April 19, 2023 9:35am
- mawm
  
  Ed Dowd has some interesting data from Life Insurance sources. He points out that Group Life policies, which are generally for healthy working age members, are showing enormous changes in the number of deaths. He has a book out called
  “Cause Unknown”: The Epidemic of Sudden Deaths in 2021 & 2022.
  
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  April 19, 2023 5:39pm
Rusty

The separation of church and state has worked well in NZ. There is no law in this country that requires a person to become a follower of any faith or religion be it christian or non-christian.

So why does this govt think its acceptable to incorporate wairua/ Maori spirituality with the state through these affordable waters/ co-governance proposals?
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April 19, 2023 9:04am
- Grunter
  
  There is only one honest answer Rusty – because they are a pack of racist idiots.
  
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  April 19, 2023 10:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Ouch!
    
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    April 19, 2023 11:42am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  That kind of thing is already riddled through the public sector.
  
  Start each meeting with a karakia.
  
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  April 19, 2023 8:04pm
Yvette

Another vague history question (and today will be yesterday tomorrow) –
How many of Shane Jones’ One Billion Trees – as slash and trash – have buggered bridges, lie over the Esk Valley floor and litter beaches for kilometre after kilometre?

Answer: No all that many – YET
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April 19, 2023 9:04am
- Ehlana
  
  How many of those 1 billion trees have even been planted? Let alone got big enough to become slash or trash.
  
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  April 19, 2023 2:39pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    As of Feb 2023, just under half a billion “trees”.
    
    https://www.mpi.govt.nz/forestry/funding-tree-planting-research/one-billion-trees-programme/progress-towards-planting-one-billion-trees/tracking-planting-for-the-one-billion-trees-programme/
    
    I think the more important questions are:
    
    How many of those seedlings/saplings are alive?
    
    How many of those seedlings/saplings are being well maintained?
    
    Over the last 50 years I have seen numerous examples of community plantings where little evidence remains of the thousands of seedlings/saplings that were planted (and subsequently neglected).
    
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    April 19, 2023 3:08pm
Surely Knott

What’s up with Jack Brazil the ex-Green Candidate, far-left activist who was shot. The reporting is extremely weird as the description of the event is being given from an anonymous source linked to the venue that was raided and cordoned off.

All we know from the Police is he was shot and it’s an “isolated” incident. (How do they know it’s isolated? What do they know?)

The rest of the details comes from an anonymous person affiliated with Yours Cafe:
“A person affiliated with the space yesterday told the Otago Daily Times Mr Brazil drove himself to the space after being shot in the liver, where he called for an ambulance but ended up getting a ride to hospital after flagging down a passing car.”

Then:
“A witness said the armed offenders squad raided the premises (of Yours Cafe) about an hour later. The space remained cordoned off while police investigated it yesterday”**

So the specific details of the crime that it was at another location and he drove to yours cafe is from a person affiliated with the Cafe itself, the only location cordoned off and under investigation.

I suggest it might not be true that Jack Brazil was shot at a different location. The only place with police cordons and being raided is YOURS cafe. So people associated with the venue don’t make reliable witnesses.

Yours Cafe is a “Worker owned & managed café/venue imagining a better food system & providing a space for radical action, music, art & cooperation” “Providing food for a post-capitalist future”

So was this just trendy woke talk or were they literally involved in “radical action” at YOURS CAFE. How many guns did they have at YOURS CAFe. Were they training for an activist event gone wrong or was it a personal grievance?

Come on police. What kind of weapon? Where was the blood /scene of the crime? By whom and how many? What was recovered in the raid? Was anyone arrested?

Police have said it is an “isolated incident”. So they clearly know a bit about what, why and who. They just haven’t told us.

https://www.odt.co.nz/the-star/new-cafe-arts-venue-officially-opens
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April 19, 2023 9:05am
- Taieri
  
  Yours Cafe is a “Worker owned & managed café/venue
  ————–
  
  Wonder if the “workers” in question actually work?
  
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  April 19, 2023 10:44am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Hard to believe that someone from the Disinformation Project hasn’t warned us about this group of political activists who seem to include privileged white males and violence.
  
  Couldn’t be because they affiliate to the Far left of the political spectrum could it?
  
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  April 19, 2023 10:56am
  - kowtow
    
    Here’s an article from when the place was opening .
    
    Anarchists .
    
    ‘ Named Yours, the cafe and venue, will be the first major venture for the Otepoti Possibilities Co-operative, a group that praises anarchism, consensus decision-making, DIY, and “a post-capitalist future”.’
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/business/transformation-serving-radical-change-menu
    
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    April 19, 2023 3:05pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Would this work in NZ? I think it would certainly straighten a few out. Some may even sign up for a military career!
https://dfctoday.com/florida-senator-will-give-convicted-criminals-a-free-pass-on-one-condition/
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April 19, 2023 9:07am
- Cassandra
  
  The vast majority of criminals are insufficiently educated for life in the military. To be anything other than canon fodder (and those days are over) you have to be able to read, write and count.
  
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  April 19, 2023 9:30am
- mandk
  
  They could call it the Jimi Hendrix option.
  
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  April 19, 2023 10:18am
- OlderChas
  
  When I joined the RNZN in 1963 it was mandatory to sign up for 8 years. Anecdotal evidence from those who joined 2 to 3 years before me indicated that it was common for judges to give young men the option of a jail sentence or to join the NZ Defence forces.
  
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  April 19, 2023 11:02am
  - Nickc2
    
    Yes, I joined the RNZN in Jan 1960 and that was still the go then AFIK.
    
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    April 19, 2023 11:23am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

US Govt keeping businesses afloat?

https://thegoptimes.com/why-is-the-irs-stockpiling-so-much-ammunition-4/
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April 19, 2023 9:17am
NothingLeft

Cicero lamenting the crumbling of the Roman state (with clear parallels to the modern west):

“‘On ancient customs and old-fashioned men, the state of Rome stands firm.’

The compactness and truth of that line are such that the poet who uttered it must, I think, have been prompted by an oracle. For neither the men on their own (in a state which lacked such a moral tradition) nor the state on its own (without such men in charge) could have founded or long maintained so great and wide-ranging an empire.

Long before living memory, our ancestral way of life produced outstanding men, and those excellent men preserved the old way of life and the institutions of their forefathers.

Our generation, however, after inheriting our political organization like a magnificent picture now fading with age, not only neglected to restore its original colors, but did not even bother to ensure that it retained its basic form and, as it were, its faintest outlines.

What remains of those ancient customs on which the state of Rome stood firm? We see them so ruined by neglect that not only do they go unobserved, they are no longer known. And what shall I say of the men? It is the lack of such men that has led to the disappearance of those customs.

Of this great tragedy we are not only bound to give a description; we must somehow defend ourselves as if we were arraigned on a capital charge. For it is not by some accident—no, it is because of our own moral failings—that we are left with the name of the Republic, having long since lost its substance.”
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April 19, 2023 9:22am
- Mike
  
  Cicero was very far from the first to complain about the ‘young people today’ and compare them unfavorably to his own, obviously more virtuous, generation.
  
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  April 19, 2023 1:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

True? Or an old story revamped?

https://thegoptimes.com/man-asks-to-be-buried-with-all-his-money-but-his-wife-had-other-ideas-6/
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April 19, 2023 9:34am
Maggie Pie

Anyone else noticed how Grant seems to be missing-in-action lately?
My partner suggested it might be because of this leaked report from Treasury.

I don’t understand it tbh, but thort a few here might….

https://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/research-and-commentary/rangitaki-blog/feu-special-topic-decomposing-inflation-supply-and-demand-drivers
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April 19, 2023 9:37am
- mandk
  
  He’s in witless protection, Maggie.
  
  He had already been exposed for saying that mortgage lenders had already factored-in the last OCR increase, when they hadn’t.
  
  He is also worried that tomorrow’s CPI number will show that, contrary to what he has been saying, inflation isn’t actually on the way down.
  
  I suspect he is also a bit more than embarrassed at the worse-than-feeble 3 Waters (V2.0) and Education announcements from Chippy in the past week.
  
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  April 19, 2023 9:54am
- pdm
  
  MP – if you cannot understand it it is very unlikely that Grant will.
  
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  April 19, 2023 10:02am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Richard Prebble has a very good article in the Herald today. Robberson will be running for cover and dreaming up more excuses.
  Rooting NZ.
  
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  April 19, 2023 10:03am
- mogg
  
  He is attempting to distance himself from entrenched inflation, he said recently that it is the ‘responsibility of RBNZ to decide on how to bring down inflation it is not his job to interfere’.
  He will pop up again to tell us how lucky we are because inflation in Afghanistan is running at 120%.
  
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  April 19, 2023 10:37am
- Grunter
  
  Maggie – Robertson should be hiding in shame (and hopefully never comes out). Some reports say he has been seen again at his local pie shop on a regular basis……
  
  The report has a decent amount of detail and data. The general thrust is NZ, compared to US & Aust, over-cooked the demand stimulus by printing $60B and handing it out as free money. This was petrol on a fire of supply shocks, including domestic labour supply shortages because we were all locked up in our homes. We had very little COVID cases at that time, but we stimulated more than almost everyone.
  
  It also indicates that Robertson’s ‘transitory/temporary inflation’ is still with us and no sign of it going away anytime soon.
  
  Also of note, it says NZ has been insulated from some of the energy inflation that the likes of Europe have been hit with. If we had gas and electricity price hikes like Germany & UK then our inflation would be even higher still.
  
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  April 19, 2023 11:10am
  - mawm
    
    Jacinda and Grant – Herr Schwab’s wunderkinder.
    
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    April 19, 2023 5:57pm
- Frank the tank
  
  He’s been coached by our former leader. Almost certain to throw in the towel if Labour aren’t in government post the election. If he and Parker go who will be the Finance Spokesperson – Mike Wood – LOL
  
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  April 19, 2023 12:08pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump to help homeless and addicted. Many of these are Veterans. A man by the name of Mike Rivers (DV6) does this in New Hampshire. He runs a farm where Vets can get back in their feet. ‘Dysfunctional Veterans Farm’ is the name.
Anyway, Trump defends Veterans. They did their lot in the name of ‘Freedom’

https://valiantnews.com/2023/04/agenda-47-trump-outlines-plan-to-end-homeless-crisis-we-need-professionals-to-help/
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April 19, 2023 9:49am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance is taking off.

Generous Donor Gives $10,000 To Get Julian Batchelor’s Book To All The Farmers In The Waikato
Today we had a breakthrough. A big one. An incredible one.

A generous donor in the Waikato has paid for another print run of 20,000 of Julian Batchelor’s book. This means we are able to get one of Julian’s books to every farmer in the Waikato (as per the map above and the pink shaded areas) before his meeting in Hamilton on the 6th of May.

Now we just want donors in other areas like the Bay of Plenty, Northland, Central North Island, Taranaki, the Manawatu, Wellington, Marlborough, West Coast, Christchurch, Southland etc to do the same. To match this donor. Writing the book is the hard part. Some people, many people, have $10k sitting in their accounts, doing little except earning a bit of interest. Why not use it to help change our country? You can’t take it with you. Now is the time.

Another incredible donor is going to pay for the delivery. OMG!

This is turning out to be a huge team effort!

A different Hamilton businessman has paid for 5000 of Julian Batchelor’s books for delivery inside Hamilton City which means now all of the Waikato has been covered. This is huge!

We are so grateful to you all, from those who are giving out a few Iceberg flyers, to those who are giving out books, to those who are putting adverts in papers, to those who attend the meetings, to those who gossip about co-governance to other people as they go about their day, to those who pray, to those who are giving out our business cards, to those in our team who are doing all the work in the background that no one sees, to those who are organising speaking events.

A lot of people are doing a lot and are just not noticed or seen. These are the real heroes.

Really, the list is endless. Each person playing their part, according to their gifts, abilities, and means. Wow! The whole of New Zealand is being influenced and changed for the better through your efforts! We can stop the rot. Believe!

Thank you!!
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April 19, 2023 9:58am
cmm

As pretty much everyone knows, South Africa is on its knees with an energy crisis.

Over the last few years there have been both promises and belief that renewable energy will take them away from unreliable coal plants and save them.

Truth though is a bitch.

The power utility Eskom as over 6200MW of installed PV. So how much power was that generating at the peak demand point yesterday? 50%? 20? 10%?

Nope. 67MW. Just over 1%. Come winter and that number will drop off further to 0%.

Meanwhile the “unreliable” coal stations were generating at 50% of their nameplate capacity. Of course it would be a lot higher if they had been maintained properly.
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April 19, 2023 9:58am
- Grunter
  
  I suspect South Africa is the next Sri Lanka. Go woke go broke. Very sad to see this happen, but almost predictable.
  
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  April 19, 2023 11:20am
  - cmm
    
    The only reason it hasn’t smacked into the ground long ago is that it started from a pretty good point. 25 years ago the infrastructure was excellent. Way better than NZ. Since then it has been on an inevitable glide path into the ground.
    
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    April 19, 2023 11:44am
- cmm
  
  To put that into context for NZ…
  
  South Africa is far better for PV than NZ, so when we extrapolate to NZ conditions expect worse outcomes than SA.
  
  Megan Woods’ Kōwhai solar farm has a name plate capacity of 150MW. That’s 150MW under absolutely perfect conditions. About 125,000 pie warmers/30,000 houses.
  
  Like South Africa, our peak power demand is early evening. That 150MW becomes 1.5MW – only 1250 pie warmers/300 houses. That’s in autumn.
  
  1.5MW can be served by a generator the size of a horse trailer.
  
  Peak peak consumption is around 7pm in July. PV won’t be keeping 1 pie warmer going.
  
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  April 19, 2023 11:42am
  - Nickc2
    
    Unfortunately, that’s not what’s being handed down from the Podium of Truth (POT). The Minister for Energy (Megan Woods) is full of shit!
    
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    April 19, 2023 11:50am
  - Taieri
    
    Kōwhai solar farm has a name plate capacity of 150MW. That’s 150MW under absolutely perfect conditions.
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    Perfect conditions which never occur. Far better way of describing performance is using the capacity factor, which is the relationship between actual output and maximum capacity. At the best it’s approximately 20-25%.
    
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    April 19, 2023 11:57am
Maggie Pie

RNZ tried reaching out to Elon….

they received an automated-reply of a poo emoji 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/9candydidcandynz/status/1648095096238379009
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April 19, 2023 10:05am
- Frank the tank
  
  Best troll of the day Elon.
  
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  April 19, 2023 12:08pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Musk is becoming better than Trump!
    Really?
    
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    April 19, 2023 1:08pm
- virtualmark
  
  That’s the automated response to any email to Twitter support. Elon fired all the staff so now there’s just an automated email. All very 12yo.
  
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  April 19, 2023 12:25pm
  - Mike
    
    I’m constantly amazed that a guy who makes all his money from electric cars is an idol for many Kiwibloggers.
    
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    April 19, 2023 1:45pm
cmm

I must say I am surprised we are not hearing more wailing from the people out there with mortgages.

Many people took out $800k mortgages in the last few years for relative chicken feed interest rates. Now its up there at around 8%.

Where does a family find $64,000 a year just for mortgage interest?

After tax etc, that’s a whole $85k of salary gone just in paying interest!
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April 19, 2023 10:09am
- NothingLeft
  
  Labour+Greens+Maori voters: serves the rich pricks right.
  
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  April 19, 2023 10:27am
- thirteenstars
  
  A 30-year, 800k mortgage at 4% was $881 per week.
  
  A 30-year, 800k mortgage at 8% is $1,354 per week.
  
  A difference of $473/week or $25k/year.
  
  The dodgy thing about such an environment is while it’s tough for the mortgage payer, it’s trouble for the banks because the idea of foreclosing on so many loans of those enormous amounts is that there are few people to pick up the assets in mortgagee sales. The problem is systemic, widespread not isolated, chronic not acute.
  
  Everyone’s made a deal with the Devil, and if you’re gonna dine with the Devil, you better bring a long spoon.
  
  No stop signs
  Speed limit
  Nobody’s gonna slow me down
  Like a wheel
  Gonna spin it
  Nobody’s gonna mess me around
  
  Gettin’ messed around now, though. Sing it, boys:
  
  https://youtu.be/gEPmA3USJdI?t=37
  
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  April 19, 2023 10:46am
  - mawm
    
    13 – add to the equation that traditional buyers when the market is down are not touching these properties since all the punitive changes to rentals.
    
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    April 19, 2023 6:05pm
Maggie Pie

Thinking outside the square.

So rather than supplying expensive (and completely useless) Fog Cannons to dairies, what about distributing ‘specially-made-frocks’ like this among the Iwi?
They would negate the need to steal cars and save a lot of damage to the shops.

https://twitter.com/UltraDane/status/1648448514391953409
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April 19, 2023 10:58am
Right of way is Way of Right

Not a lot of commentators here making mention of Faux News deciding that settling with Dominion for nearly $790 million dollars is somehow preferable to defending the accusations of defamation in court. You don’t cough up over 3/4 of a billion dollars if you’ve done nothing wrong, do you!
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April 19, 2023 11:22am
- Blog-aholic
  
  In the USA settling out of court is not a sign you are guilty it is often seen as a commercial decision as court costs and having it go against you could cost you double….
  
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  April 19, 2023 11:38am
  - Frank the tank
    
    Correct.
    
    A further point to add is like most corporates Fox will have deformation insurance and the settlement amount likely reflects what they could get.
    
    That and it would appear there were some former executives that obviously were going to squeal.
    
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    April 19, 2023 12:11pm
    - MCōs
      
      I’m not familiar with this insurance you speak of, but one finds it difficult to understand that some hard nosed company would fork out anything like $US0.75bill to that old geezer.
      
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      April 19, 2023 12:55pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Given Rupert’s history and MO (for example the phone hacking scandals in the UK) I’m not sure any insurers would want to extend him defamation insurance.
      
      If they do the premiums are probably eye-watering and about to get even worse.
      
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      April 19, 2023 1:31pm
  - Nickc2
    
    In addition, there’s always the chance that the Judge is of the Democrat persuasion and Rupert wouldn’t stand a show of winning, regardless of the evidence produced.
    
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    April 19, 2023 12:14pm
    - MCōs
      
      There’s a jury you know.
      
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      April 19, 2023 12:44pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Yep, but the Judge sums up to a hand-picked jury eh?
        
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        April 19, 2023 12:46pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Fox knew they were toast. You don’t write the second biggest defamation payout in history unless you know the odds are well against you.
      
      (Biggest is Alex Jones for his Sandy Hook stupidity. Fox/SmartMatic will likely appear soon to complete the three biggest … tell me again about who is “Fake News”?)
      
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      April 19, 2023 1:34pm
- virtualmark
  
  Dominion‘s annual revenues are about US$40m pa, so this is a big payday for them.
  
  Meanwhile it seems Fox News doesn’t have to run any messaging confessing they lied … so that’s a win for Rupert. It’s just money.
  
  But just for once it would be nice to see Rupert’s malice exposed, rather than just swept under the carpet with a big cheque.
  
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  April 19, 2023 12:23pm
  - virtualmark
    
    All up, by the time Fox has also settled with SmartMatic, sorted the shareholder lawsuits, and paid its lawyers, they will spend about US$2b for having indulged Trump’s lies about the 2020 election.
    
    So Donald Trump has cost Fox News shareholders $2b. Wonder if Rupert feels like backing Trump again in 2024?
    
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    April 19, 2023 12:37pm
    - mawm
      
      “Wonder if Rupert feels like backing Trump again in 2024?”
      
      He never did.
      
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      April 19, 2023 6:09pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Not at first no, in 2015. But once Trump became the GOP candidate Rupert was all in.
        
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        April 19, 2023 6:27pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Deformation Insurance?
    
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    April 19, 2023 12:59pm
    - Mike
      
      Pays out enough money to allow you to continue twisting the truth.
      
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      April 19, 2023 1:59pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That does not mean the Dominion Machines are OK.
  I posted a comment the other day where a guy with a few clues could swap the votes to change a win, with a bit of info on a USB stick. He did it in about 30 seconds.
  Can’t find it now.
  
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  April 19, 2023 1:52pm
  - Mike
    
    Oh Steve. Yes – anything you imagine about voting machines might be correct. It just so happens that Fox News knew what it was broadcasting about voting machines was provably false and defamatory and broadcast it anyway.
    
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    April 19, 2023 2:03pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The YouTube Machine deleted it? Who knows Mike?
      I will find the video Mike.
      
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      April 19, 2023 5:46pm
  - MCōs
    
    You can’t find it now!
    Well fancy that.
    
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    April 19, 2023 2:53pm
  - Vory v zakone
    
    And do you remember this Steve? In 2020 Eric Coomer was Director of Strategy and Security, Dominion Voting Systems, and he was heard on an Antifa activist conference call…
    
    “Don’t Worry About
    The Election, Trump’s
    Not Gonna Win. I
    Made F*cking Sure Of That!”
    
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    April 19, 2023 3:44pm
    - Mike
      
      If this were correct (it’s not), then:
      1. Why did Fox settle?
      2. Why didn’t Dominion fix the down-ballot races instead of just the presidential race?
      
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      April 19, 2023 5:47pm
krazykiwi

Well, well, well. The FDA is raising the white flag on mRNA vaccinations while describing this as ‘simplifying’ the guidelines. To wit:

Most unvaccinated individuals may receive a single dose of a bivalent vaccine, rather than multiple doses of the original monovalent mRNA vaccines.

… which comes on the heels of near continuous hectoring 7+ billion people to take 1,2,3 jabs, and then regular ‘boosters’ in perpetuity.

Sadly, though:

Children 6 months through 5 years of age who are unvaccinated may receive a two-dose series of the Moderna bivalent vaccine (6 months through 5 years of age) OR a three-dose series of the Pfizer-BioNTech bivalent vaccine (6 months through 4 years of age). Children who are 5 years of age may receive two doses of the Moderna bivalent vaccine or a single dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech bivalent vaccine.

Yes, the FDA still want kids injected with this cash-cow, experimental toxin.
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April 19, 2023 11:46am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I don’t day it lightly, those who pushed this hardest on the youngest deserve the ultimate punishment. There is zero excuse for not knowing that the jabs do nothing but harm to young people. It’s all risk and no reward.
  Criminals.
  
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  April 19, 2023 11:54am
  - mawm
    
    3 down ticks!
    
    I’m amazed that some people think it’s ok to inject kids with an experimental substance that has been shown to have a multitude of severe and life-altering side effects.
    
    I suppose that is what indoctrination does to people.
    
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    April 19, 2023 6:14pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Agreed. All very well for a sentient adults to self-harm, but to inject dependent children with this toxic junk is child abuse writ large.
      
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      April 19, 2023 6:54pm
- Frank the tank
  
  I see the morons here are pushing further vaccinations in the media.
  
  I wonder if there is/was ongoing minimum purchasing requirements in their deal with Pfizer…….
  
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  April 19, 2023 12:13pm
  - Blog-aholic
    
    I am totally convinced that the contract this government signed was predicated on buying alot.
    As we have never seen the contract we can only speculate upon what is evident to our eyes….
    
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    April 19, 2023 12:33pm
    - virtualmark
      
      No.
      
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      April 19, 2023 1:35pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Very certain, VM. How so?
        
        For comparison purposes, the Australian federal government ordered 255 million doses which was circa 4x the number administered. I suggest our ‘late’ ordering would have placed Pfizer in a commanding position to demand volume well beyond our likely need.
        
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        April 19, 2023 7:02pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Because I was there.
        
        The discussions were based on ordering enough courses for all adults over the age of 18 in NZ, plus some extra for Pacific Islands we’re responsible for. We set the volume we wanted – it wasn’t Pfizer saying “You have to take [x]”. And I don’t believe there was ever any discussion of price vs volume, just the price was the price … and by pharma standards it wasn’t extreme (cost + a small margin). The Pfizer people were very reasonable, and not at all the demonic force so many here seem to be convinced about. My key memory was that they were exhausted … we were just 1 of over 100 countries they were dealing with.
        
        And we weren’t late in ordering. Our negotiations were happening alongside countries like Australia and Canada. Our *deliveries* were later than Canada, but that was a triage-like decision by Pfizer where they prioritised deliveries by need.
        
        Puzzled by the “Australia ordered 255 million doses”. One course per adult, two doses per course, about 20m adults in Australia … so I’d have thought they’d order more like 40m doses?
        
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        April 19, 2023 8:03pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        “My key memory was that they were exhausted … we were just 1 of over 100 countries they were dealing with.”
        Oh my! The poor souls! It’s such a chore getting fraudulently approved, toxic junk into so many shoulders in such short order. I’m certain they were well remunerated for their commitment to the cause.
        
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        April 19, 2023 9:09pm
  - Nickc2
    
    The PM’s hardly going to go back on what he was told to preach from the POT when he was Covid Minister, is he?
    
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    April 19, 2023 12:49pm
Frank the tank

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/not-even-a-panadol-porsche-theft-accused-hobbles-into-dock/HJIH25QZFZD4TNMZ4Q6TSJYJ4A/

FFS. Give the petal a can of “Harden the F. up”
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April 19, 2023 12:16pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Cry me a river
  
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  April 19, 2023 8:14pm
Jack5

Luxon has given at least the Greens a boost with his farm policy. This includes resuming live cattle exports.

What comes to mind is the export of horses to China, and the $150,000 donation to National by a Chinese horse exporter in 2016. This was done through the Chinese importer’s NZ arm, the Inner Mongolia Rider Horse Industry Co Ltd, which has since been put into receivership by the Bank of China.

Lin Lang, who for a time lived in Auckland, was importing NZ thoroughbreds and standardbreds to build up stock in the Chinese province, Inner Mongolia, ahead of speculation that China would allow horse racing with gambling outside Hong Kong.

The Company’s livestock was located at three stud farms; Windsor Park Stud in Cambridge, Highview Stud in Hamilton and Willow Glen Stud in Waimate.

Those who sold horses to Lang might be embarrassed by horse welfare in the video linked to below. It was taken in the backblocks of China.

Animal welfare is contentious in international dealings with China. A bizarre issue in China is the rise of donkey farming. These animals are being harvested largely for the use of their skins. International animal welfare group, Donkey Sanctuary says almost five million donkey hides a year are need to satisfy demand for a Chinese gelatin-based medicine called ejiao.

Pakistan is now developing donkey farming to export animals to China.

What is going on with donkeys in China is bizarrely reflected in Youtube channels with tens of thousands of subscriber-watchers who follow donkey hoofs being trimmed, or in the case of mules and some horses, new shoes fitted. Some animals, particularly those being in Inner Mongolia and Manchuria are being re-shod by experienced farriers using more acceptable restraints, and are in better general condition.

FFS, National, please don’t think of allowing NZ farmers to ship donkeys to China.

Secondly, on its policy of what amounts to cheaper farm labour from abroad, over-all, National could lose some rural votes. The number of farm owners and their families is shrinking as farm sizes grow and more frams are company owned. Ratio of farm workers to farm owners must be rising.

Link 1:

Treatment of horses in China – someone may tells us whether the group is of a horse, mules, and a donkey:

https://youtu.be/OcvP_6kXEDY

Link 2:

The great donation to National:

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/150k-foreign-donation-national-deeply-alarming
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April 19, 2023 1:43pm
- Nickc2
  
  Is this the best Labour & Green dirt-digging squad can come up with? Circa 2016 FFS! Golriz Ghahraman FFS. How about her defending War Criminals whilst purporting to be a Lawyer.
  As they say in the Classics, It’s always different when the Left does it.
  She needs reminding that Refugees are supposed to stay in their first country of landing, not tour the world looking for the biggest bunch of wankers who would give her sanctum.
  
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  April 19, 2023 2:22pm
  - Mike
    
    Jack5 is very, very far from being a supporter for the labour party, let alone the green party.
    Perhaps in your world any hint of criticism of the national party must stem from malign influences.
    Enthusiasm in the national and labour parties for the Chinese regime, and especially for the easy cash associated with it, is very well documented.
    
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    April 19, 2023 4:06pm
  - Jack5
    
    This isn’t from the Greens, it’s from me – who has voted National and ACT.
    
    On livestock exports, farm labour, and the great student visa rort, National is shooting itself in the foot and perhaps condemning us to more Labour incompetence and more Maorification.
    
    Nickc2’s statement about Golroz Ghahraman is half-cock (“… her defending War Criminals whilst purporting to be a Lawyer.)”
    
    Defence lawyers aren’t criminals. The criticism of her was that she allegedly claimed to be part of the prosecution when she was part of the defence team.
    
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    April 19, 2023 4:23pm
- kowtow
  
  Bringing in more RSE is one thing ; but with residency will also only stress social infrastructure .
  
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  April 19, 2023 3:00pm
  - nathie
    
    But but but supposedly after “nine years of neglect” the glorious Labour Party has solved NZ’s social infrastructure issues?
    
    Surely they have, I mean just listen to Megan Woods trumpet how wonderful Labour are at fixing the problems “National created” and cast back to Jacinda saying how fabulous Labour are (with MSM nodding yip yip in agreement)!
    
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    April 19, 2023 6:05pm
mogg

Trotter on LW journalism in NZ, some very shrewd observations indeed. https://m.youtube.com/@theplatformnz
Universities teaching LW views and if you don’t agree you are evil.
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April 19, 2023 2:02pm
Widogast Corwin

A couple of weeks ago, the Ministry of Health binned 1.4 million doses of the COVID vaccine that had reached their expiry dates.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/486843/covid-19-1-point-4-million-doses-of-vaccine-to-be-destroyed-by-the-end-of-the-week

It will be interesting to see if there is a repeat with the new bivalent COVID-19 vaccine booster. On 1 April, all adults aged 30 and above became eligible for this booster.

It is early days. However uptake has been slow to put it mildly. There are about 2.7 million adults aged 30 and above. As at 18 April, about 38,000 have taken up the booster. That is 1.4 percent of those eligible.

https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data#by-day

It is difficult to see it going above 10 percent.
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April 19, 2023 2:56pm
- virtualmark
  
  It’s a perverse aspect of ordering the vaccines.
  
  On the one hand you know the uptake will be, at most, 85%. So let’s call it 3.4 million out of an addressable population of 4m.
  
  On the other hand, if you only order 3.4m courses (2 doses per course) then you open yourself up to “You didn’t buy enough for us all, so clearly you don’t love us” complaints.
  
  So you buy the full 4m courses, knowing you will throw many away. Because politically that’s the right thing to do.
  
  Presumably the same political maths played out with the booster rounds too.
  
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  April 19, 2023 3:47pm
  - mawm
    
    What is perverse is when your drug safety quango, Medsafe, tells you that they cannot recommend its use because there are questions about its safety and efficacy but you go ahead and order an excessive amount of the product.
    
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    April 19, 2023 6:20pm
Swifty

An important interview of Chris Trotter by Sean Plunket:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g7QdVul0hmU

Really worth your time.
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April 19, 2023 3:18pm
- Bridgenag
  
  Glad I listened. Thought it would be left wing stuff but it was an excellent discussion
  
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  April 20, 2023 6:30am
BeaB

Not only have Labour failed to implement their main policies and have dumped most of the rest, they are now filching National’s. Deceitful, incompetent and bankrupt of ideas.
The Auckland storms are a metaphor for the state of the nation. Armies of ineffectual over-paid managers, bureaucrats and comms, shirking from home, focused on everything but the key issues while the front line workers, on less pay and poorly equipped, just get on with the job.
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April 19, 2023 3:22pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…

Remuera restaurants and eateries all received the highest AA+ Ratings following the latest gradings by Auckland Council Inspectors.

Cockroach infestations and filthy kitchens were found at nine food outlets, mainly located in the South and West suburbs of the Supercity.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-drink/131796013/cockroaches-pests-and-filthy-kitchens-found-at-nine-auckland-food-shops
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April 19, 2023 3:51pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, I was reliably informed by an electrician that to date he has visited no restaurants that he saw were cockroach free. He said he prefers fast food outlets like Maccas because they work to a manual and are production line.
  
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  April 19, 2023 5:49pm
  - mawm
    
    As a student I did part time work in the catering section of a 5 star hotel. I now know that I would never eat there.
    
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    April 19, 2023 6:22pm
    - Sponge
      
      When I left school I trained as a chef following which I worked in one of Christchurchs’ best restaurants. I was absolutely horrified at the food hygiene. Raw meat kept on the floor of the chiller, cooked and raw meats stored together etc.
      
      It took me years to want to eat at a restaurant again.
      
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      April 19, 2023 6:27pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I would doubt he contracts to any restaurants around here then I&O?
    Even our Indian & Chinese establishments display an ‘A’ grade. Not that we ever go to them. Give us Thai any day.
    
    Actually, it’s Cossie I feel sorry for….. see where a quarter of those that were awarded a D & E are located in Mongere 🙁
    
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    April 19, 2023 6:40pm
Swifty

Looks like the assaulter of women and shoe fetishist now realises just how much he has stuffed up his life:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300857211/man-who-followed-and-attacked-women-for-their-shoes-has-appeal-denied

Too bad, how sad, never mind.

Bye!
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April 19, 2023 4:13pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  O.M.G…. Why isn’t this plick on a plane back to Chynah already?
  
  We’ve got enuff of our own depraved reprobates walking the streets without allowing him out there for yet another year 🙁
  
  Honestly, the judiciary in this country is completely f***d.
  
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  April 19, 2023 5:01pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Shoely not!
    
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    April 19, 2023 8:20pm
- Inandout
  
  What a heel and patently guilty. I see a pattern here and he deserved their tongues.
  
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  April 19, 2023 5:43pm
  - Mike
    
    Solely guilty, and instep with the toe end of society.
    
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    April 19, 2023 5:50pm
    - greybeard
      
      He should get the boot.
      We don’t want his sort clogging up the system.
      
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      April 19, 2023 7:27pm
rouppe

Well this article puts paid to Grant Robertson saying that the NZ deficit was nothing out of the ordinary.

But the latest deficit, $33.9 billion or 8.9% of GDP in the year to the end of December, is as ANZ chief economist Sharon Zollner puts it, “beyond what anyone would consider sustainable”.

Sounds pretty bad

If the country doubled its wine exports and leading technology exporter Fisher & Paykel Healthcare miraculously tripled its export revenues, that would trim the deficit by $5b.

If people also completely stopped importing cars and car parts, that would close the gap by a further $11.5b, halving the deficit – but no more than that.

That’s a lot of economic activity

The IMF observed last week, that as a proportion of GDP, the deficit was the largest posted by any developed economy, bar Greece, and forecast that while it would fall to 7.2% of GDP next year and 5.3% in 2028, only Cyprus would then be faring worse.

Greece. We’re being compared in economic terms with Greece.

What a cluster, Grant.

Worst. Government. Ever
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April 19, 2023 4:31pm
- Swifty
  
  Wow.
  
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  April 19, 2023 4:53pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Remember, Cypress was such a basket case during the GFC that its government raided private bank accounts to nationalise private wealth.
  
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  April 19, 2023 7:07pm
Swifty

Jacob Rees-Mogg versus one of the Stop Oil people:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ck6AqLu_N5o

Quite some ranting and raving to be seen.
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April 19, 2023 5:24pm
- Drone
  
  @Swifty whether or not you think Jacob Rees Mog is an Fwit (I lean that way) or not some of the points he makes apply here as well, except NZ has a lot of hydro and some geothermal. Our wind generation is risible, currently it’s 54 Megawatts out of a possible 1 Gigawatt of installed capacity and 5 Gigawatt demand. Wind isn’t going to do it for a long time.
  
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  April 19, 2023 6:56pm
  - marcw
    
    If Eloise Gibson, Stuff “Climate Editor” has her way, affordable wind generation will be next to impossible. She is upset that NZ’s only steel plant at Glenbrook is not being taxed and regulated to death. It would be hypocritical to import steel from other world manufacturers if NZ can’t produce what is required to build the windmills (And it’s a LOT).
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/131769530/david-parker-failed-to-stop-nzs-11thbiggest-emitter-beating-a-climate-law
    
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    April 19, 2023 7:16pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300857458/killer-beez-gang-members-arrested-after-265kg-of-meth-intercepted-en-route-to-nz
Bring back the death penalty.
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April 19, 2023 6:49pm
- marcw
  
  Life imprisonment at least. Anyone who manufactures, imports, distributes or sells meth is responsible for the destruction of many communities here, and contributes to the violence and murders we see now. Individuals, families, iwi, rich and poor – all can be affected. If we want to be serious about getting rid of this scourge, natural life imprisonment is the only cure.
  
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  April 19, 2023 7:00pm
Gravelroad

Can someone explain to me why it is terrible animal cruelty for a wild cat to be shot at with an air rifle, but not so bad for the possum, rat, rabbit, stoat and weasel?
A soft numpty from SAFE and a young woman from the vets expressed emotion and outrage on Te News this evening that some kids in North Canterbury trying to raise funds for their school, could shoot a wild cat which then might run away and be in agony for weeks.
No mention of same for the poor old rabbit or possum though.
Obviously not all animals are born equal.
PS – a while back I heard a talk from a scientist who is monitoring the Kea populations in parts of the South Island. What is the biggest threat to the viability and survival of the Kea mountain parrot?
Feral cats.
They are everywhere – eating birds and eggs.
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April 19, 2023 6:49pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  YIP couldn’t agree more Gravs.
  My partner caught over the roads Siamese crapping in our garden one night….
  
  They’ve still got an A4 poster in the Indian dairy offering a reward. LOL!
  
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  April 19, 2023 7:14pm
- Jack5
  
  Gravelroad’s … What is the biggest threat to the viability and survival of the Kea?
  
  Even hedgehogs eat eggs and young of keas, which nest on the ground.
  
  Where keas are re-homed to keep birds off grapes in vineyards, artificial nests are built for them, off the ground.
  
  Keas themselves kill young kiwi as well racing pigeons.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/pillaging-kea-poaching-rare-kiwi-chicks/BBXN4S6EGNUE67R7RCHDANATX4/
  
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  April 19, 2023 10:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Double killing while on “monitored” bail.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/131817243/father-killed-as-he-tried-to-stop-daughters-murder-in-the-front-yard

Before being arrested for his bail conviction the cops had warned the public not to approach this chap

“He is known to have access to firearms and is considered dangerous and should not be approached by the public.

https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/269053-police-hunrting-man-relation-to-hotel-shooting.html
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April 19, 2023 7:13pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  “Was it them again Yogi ?”
  
  “It’s always them Boo Boo”
  
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  April 19, 2023 7:18pm
marcw

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/posie-parker-protest-police-charge-man-accused-of-hitting-elderly-woman-in-the-head/OCKUCETLONB25B5ZKLPUCSGUNU/

About time – nearly 4 weeks late.
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April 19, 2023 8:05pm
- Prince
  
  Justice delayed is Justice denied.
  
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  April 19, 2023 10:03pm
cjn

I have read that on 10 September election advertising can begin. I have also read that 3 months before the election expenses start to count. Three months before the election would be 14 July. Why is it that I see huge ads for Webb and McLellan “working for Christchurch” on Durham Street and Waltham Road in the month of April?
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