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Mike

Happy World Health Day!
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April 7, 2023 8:00am
- The Other Enoch
  
  Why on earth would anyone down tick this?
  
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  April 7, 2023 9:49am
  - peterwn
    
    It is not the quality of the post but the perceptions surrounding the poster.
    
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    April 7, 2023 11:34am
  - kowtow
    
    [Unnecessary. mod.]
    
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    April 7, 2023 12:49pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    1. Poster frequently does “Happy Religious Festival …”, but on one of the most important days in the Christian calendar he purposefully chooses some obscure celebration.
    
    2. Poster is the most frequent [Deleted – unnecessary. mod] on KB i.e. doesn’t play nicely with others.
    
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    April 7, 2023 1:06pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      [Mod – debate what people say, not the person]
      
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      April 7, 2023 3:18pm
  - Jim
    
    Perhaps if they’re on their seventeenth hour sat in a NZ Emergency Department.
    
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    April 7, 2023 4:15pm
- The Boss
  
  Today is a hugely significant day for billions of people all over the world. To put the emphasis on other stuff is deliberate and malicious.
  
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  April 7, 2023 1:15pm
  - Ghost
    
    Easter weekend date changes every year
    
    April the 7th has been world health day for, well, this year it is celebrating its 75th year.
    
    If the post doesn’t interest you don’t read it
    
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    April 7, 2023 3:31pm
    - Mike
      
      World Health Day will also coincide with Good Friday in 2034 and 2045.
      We shouldn’t forget other important festivals though. Today is also National Beer Day in the United States, Motherhood and Beauty Day in Armenia and, for the spiritual, Find Your Inner Wombat Day for Pastafarians.
      
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      April 7, 2023 4:15pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Mike – seriously, who makes up this complete garbage about what “day” it is? It’s today. Try and do something useful with it instead of trolling people on KB.
        
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        April 7, 2023 7:24pm
G152

Reality Check Radio is talking sense
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April 7, 2023 8:05am
Lee C

It’s ‘almost over’ for Trump according to the MSM.

So it must be true.
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April 7, 2023 8:08am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Phew, about time……//
  
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  April 7, 2023 8:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yeah yeah yeah yeah.
  
  It’s only a matter of time before this case, like the others, goes off like a bomb wiping out everyone who is feeding into the frenzy. The media and Democrats have apparently learned NOTHING over the last 4 years.
  
  https://thepatriotchronicles.com/news-for-you/fresh-out-of-court-trumps-lawyers-say-indictment-is-a-big-nothing-burger-nothing-there/
  
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  April 7, 2023 8:24am
  - Jim
    
    They’ll go quiet on the frenzied story when it eventually blows over.
    
    Just like the NZ media feeding frenzy about Sean Plunkett being banned from Twitter, now 24 hours later he’s reinstated and ……..yep those damn crickets.
    
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    April 7, 2023 4:18pm
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  the walls are closing in ™ ……..
  
  ……. again
  
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  April 7, 2023 8:47am
- Rich Prick
  
  They’ve got him this time.
  
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  April 7, 2023 10:47am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    For what? They can’t say
    
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    April 7, 2023 11:13am
    - Rich Prick
      
      I have no idea either. They’re only at the “show me the man” stage. I think the are struggling to “show the crime”.
      
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      April 7, 2023 8:22pm
- Jebahco
  
  Yeah Right,
  make a great new Tui’s adv.
  
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  April 7, 2023 3:02pm
- Paul Marsden
  
  Hilarious! Trunp isn’t going anywhere apart from taking the position of office of the POTUS in 2024.
  
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  April 7, 2023 3:39pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Have a look at the list of extras & remember the next time you hear teachers moaning about their salary. 15 days of sick leave (on top of the school holidays), a week of professional development it’s not clear whether this includes or is additional to teacher-only days) …. the list goes on.

No wonder we’re should of teachers, they’re never at school.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/131720099/new-offer-to-kindergarten-teachers-a-vast-improvement-union-says
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April 7, 2023 8:12am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  * short
  
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  April 7, 2023 10:01am
- Burtland
  
  100 cultural leadership allowances, each of $5000 a year will be introduced to recognise individual teachers’ leadership and expertise in te ao Māori and te reo Māori
  
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  April 7, 2023 10:28am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Another issue is the constant call for smaller class sizes and less contact time.
  
  I know many teachers just doing 4 of 5 days in classroom and school rotates a permanent reliever through on a set day each week. So between that and reducing class size by 20% we need 40% more teachers.
  
  Where do the unions and teachers think all of these people will come from?
  
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  April 7, 2023 1:11pm
  - ISeeRed
    
    From Aotearoa’s hordes of gender-confused semi-illiterate know-it-all school leavers who will have none of the life experience, knowledge or wisdom that comes with age.
    
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    April 7, 2023 5:31pm
- I remember when
  
  The article combines kindergarten teachers with primary school teachers which is rather misleading.
  Kindergarten teaching has changed considerably in recent years with the growth in the childcare industry.
  Parents more often need more flexible hours to fit in with their own working hours.
  So potentially longer child contact hours, longer working day, no teacher only days, and often different term-break length.
  
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  April 7, 2023 1:55pm
ClanMcleod

Lindsay Perigo was a guest on Reality Check Radio yesterday. What a glorious monologue!

Highly recommended listening, it gives me a little hope knowing we now have an online platform that permits real conversations.

https://realitycheck.radio/podcast/
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April 7, 2023 8:20am
- Chuck Bird
  
  The one with Rodney Hide “What is a woman” is also good.
  
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  April 7, 2023 8:51am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Chuck – yes, I don’t have great internet access around where I live so often miss some of the guests.
    
    It’s great that they are uploaded and we can revisit them. I’ve been blown away by the quality of the guests and the content. The sort of thing we used to get from RNZ a decade ago.
    
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    April 7, 2023 8:54am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Here you go
      https://www.starlink.com/
      
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      April 7, 2023 10:09am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        40 dollars a week. Yeah nah, I can’t justify paying that. I’ll listen when I can.
        
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        April 7, 2023 7:27pm
  - Lance
    
    I have seen at least 2 gaslighting articles on Stuff aimed at wicked old Sean Plunkett for asking Hipkins how he would define a woman.
    Including todays nasty little attack
    
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    April 7, 2023 9:14am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Lance – when they call you names you know it’s all they have. Zero substance, no attempt at debate. Smear and ad hominem.
      
      They are pathetic.
      
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      April 7, 2023 9:26am
      - Bob
        
        the old school chant,…sticks and stones may break my bones etc. ……still applies today.
        
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        April 7, 2023 9:35am
    - emmess
      
      No comments allowed, I bet
      
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      April 7, 2023 10:07am
    - herb1
      
      Of course they only have a few months to attack the Labour opposition as losing the election will put them out of a job. They know that the only thing keeping them going is Government advertising and payments for writing support articles for their treaty policy
      
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      April 7, 2023 10:48am
      - Paulus
        
        What about this – Labour and Greens possible voters will not vote.
        From within it is noe quite public that potential voters are unhappy at the people they see leading these parties in Labour little fella is floundering, where Ardern would have made sure she decided everything and her COS and bully boys at the time kicked bum hard – Dr Sharma !
        Today the Green imbroglio whereby there appears to be a Maori tendency denigrate continually any Cis type of person. It is getting seriously worse that ever before.
        Who do they vote for ? – remember they will never vote for any non left party whatsoever – never have done and never will – so they will abdicate any voting responsibility and not turn up.
        
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        April 7, 2023 1:31pm
    - Bridgenag
      
      Didn’t Willie top up the msm money?
      
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      April 7, 2023 12:31pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Stuff has withdrawn one of the stories now, according to Plunket; the one where trans activists claimed to know what Plunket was thinking when he questioned the PM ON Monday.
      
      It was highly speculative and completely lacking any pretence of balance. The may as well have asked the intersex to ato juice thrower what (s)he thought Plunket was thinking.
      
      PS: said activist last night tweeted a photo of a Passover meal. When you looked closely, the tomato on the plate had a swastika drawn on it. How despicable can you get?
      
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      April 7, 2023 1:31pm
      - Swifty
        
        WTF?
        
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        April 7, 2023 4:28pm
- Grunter
  
  Very good. Thanks for sharing the link.
  
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  April 7, 2023 9:18am
Cassandra

Prosecuting Trump is a cunning Dem plot to help make him the GOP candidate. The theory is that he’ll lose to Biden, which may well be true. But Biden’s cognitive decline may well be even more obvious in 2 years time. I think DeSantis should wait this one out.
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April 7, 2023 8:22am
- Its only I
  
  Also donations for trump legal bills draws money away from campaign money.
  
  Plus all those witnesses who refused to talk thinking this would never reach a courtroom now have a little more weight on their shoulders. How loyal to the church of trump are they?
  
  Talk on the streets has Eric Trump, the brains of the family, behind it all. While Ivanka has been distracted repainting her mannequin husband her and Stoner Jr have been out trumped by the sleeper Eric who is making his move…
  
  “Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives.”
  
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  April 7, 2023 9:57am
  - Paulus
    
    Why is Stormy Daniels not paying what the Courts ordered her to do ?
    She owes Trump large sum of money still after losing a number of Civil claims.
    Yea – but that is the USA.
    
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    April 7, 2023 1:35pm
- Che Guava
  
  It’s not “the Dems,” it’s the Uniparty. There is no meaningful substantive distinction between Congress, the media, the bureaucracy, Big Money etc. – it’s all the same thing. That’s why it is unacceptable for any candidate that is not pre-approved by said Uniparty to be popularly elected, and why nothing is spared to prevent it happening again. Has the GOP ever really stood up for Trump, and have they ever really advanced the interests of most GOP voters over the last 30 years? No and no. Naively thinking in terms of Democrats v GOP is to not get it. It’s a distinction without a difference.
  
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  April 7, 2023 11:57am
Loddenthinks

So let me get this straight. Elizabeth Kerekere called Chloe Swarbrick a mildly insulting, though doubtless accurate, name. The sort of thing immature girls do in the school playground, or now on social media – though you have to be careful how you use it, eh Betty?

Marama Davidson’s reaction: “A full internal investigation has been launched and the party is taking this matter very seriously.”

The Spinoff has (and I’m not making this up) published a “frame-by-frame” analysis of video showing the moment other Green MPs read and reacted to the Whats App chat message.

Meanwhile, less than 2 weeks ago, the same Marama Davidson stated that all the violence in the world comes from cis white men. Notwithstanding the obvious racism and misogyny, she is of course totally wrong. In her own country, the one she declared she is “the prevention violence minister” of, Maori outnumber pakeha in violent crime statistics every single way you can analyse it. In straight numbers, as a percentage of the population, as a per capita percentage, evry way you look at it.

MSM reaction: Crickets.
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April 7, 2023 8:23am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The sort of thing immature girls do in the Green playground, or now on social media – though you have to be careful how you use it, eh Betty?
  
  Fixed it.
  
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  April 7, 2023 8:27am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The sort of thing immature girls do in the Green playground
    
    But at the age of 57 years, a female is not immature.
    
    Dr Kerekere has advanced into the over mature state and is heading into the elderly category.
    
    This really is a pathetic affair.
    
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    April 7, 2023 8:48am
    - KiWombat
      
      Might be dementure setting in Maggy !
      
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      April 7, 2023 8:53am
      - Mike
        
        dementure
        
        Is that a condition where one’s false teeth lose their wits?
        
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        April 7, 2023 8:56am
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        Is “dementure” an elderly person with bad false teeth?
        
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        April 7, 2023 9:06am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Uptick Mike. That is well done.
        
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        April 7, 2023 10:18am
      - I remember when
        
        Perhaps its commenture.
        An ability to think clearly (is clearly really needed) before pressing buttons.
        
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        April 7, 2023 2:16pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      57? A Green kid who never grew up is my opinion.
      
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      April 7, 2023 9:29am
    - Bob
      
      57 years, a female is not immature……
      Maturity is a function of cognitive development, not AGE Maggy. Development that is not very obvious with the majority of this government, so Kerekere is in good company, so amongst themselves they no doubt all feel mature.
      
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      April 7, 2023 9:33am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      You’re being a bit harsh Maggy – I’m sure an entity of Kerekere’s caliber has much, much more to offer…
      
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      April 7, 2023 9:52am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Loddenthinks – like pretty much every headline in the legacy media in NZ this week, it’s another petty distraction to take attention away from the awful comments made by Davidson.
  
  Classic tactics, “look! A rabbit!”
  
  Sadly most people have the attention span of a momentarily distracted goldfish and fall for this tactic.
  
  As much as it is good to see the Greens have internal problems, it’s a nothing. Keep focused on the big picture. Davidson’s comment last week was racist and it was a provable lie.
  
  There should be serious ramifications.
  
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  April 7, 2023 8:34am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    Davidson certainly lacks self awareness 😂 She described the cry baby comment “mean”. OTOH her falsely smearing an entire demographic of men for violence is cool.
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/04/marama-davidson-says-text-green-mp-dr-elizabeth-kerekere-sent-seemingly-calling-chl-e-swabrick-a-crybaby-is-mean.html
    
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    April 7, 2023 8:44am
  - Paulus
    
    Why ramifications as neither parties of specific etnicity would believe they are wrong anyway.
    More and more they, like Ardern, are never wrong.
    
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    April 7, 2023 8:49am
- Gravelroad
  
  @Loddenthinks-
  Yes, it is puzzling.
  Most people in NZ will hardly have heard of Ms Kerekere – if at all, and couldn’t care less what she thinks about anything.
  These smug, useless politicians and their media supporters seem to have no idea at all about the real issues facing us out here.
  Their obsessive focus on themselves and their feelings is an embarrassment.
  
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  April 7, 2023 8:48am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    This is all made possible by MMP.
    
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    April 7, 2023 9:01am
    - Mike
      
      MPs never squabbled among themselves before 1996.
      
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      April 7, 2023 9:02am
      - hullkiwi
        
        No, as you didn’t have two self serving women MPs, with one being jealous and bitchy about her place (versus her rival) on her party’s proposed list for the upcoming election.
        
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        April 7, 2023 10:01am
    - Ian Boag
      
      This is all made possible by MMP
      
      Which is also why we have so many ACT MPs. Swings and roundabouts ….. 🙂
      
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      April 7, 2023 10:14am
  - Mike
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    And yet Kiwiblog devoted a whole post to this yesterday, with dozens of comments. And it is still an item of fascination for the snowflakes here this morning, despite pretending they are interested in more ‘serious’ matters.
    
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    April 7, 2023 9:01am
    - RightNow
      
      Bit sensitive today are we petal?
      
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      April 7, 2023 9:32am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      [Mod – discuss what a person says, don’t ramble on attacking the person]
      
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      April 7, 2023 9:42am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        [Mod – nope, often deleted and edited]
        
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        April 7, 2023 10:43am
    - leoj
      
      If you believe in consensus, you’ll find that “snowflake” began, and remains firmly in, the domain of the moronic left, such as yourself.
      
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      April 7, 2023 12:03pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You are correct. I have never heard of Elizabeth Kerekere.
    Suddenly, calling a classmate a ‘cry baby’ is news! [Mod – deleted]
    
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    April 7, 2023 9:37am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      She is the one that was thd green expert of COVID, she flew to Wellington when supposed to be locked down because her household was full of covid pox
      
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      April 7, 2023 11:21am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Ah! Mod deleted. It is something my Father used to say when someone did something stupid.
      
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      April 7, 2023 3:51pm
- mawm
  
  Lodden – Surely you mean misandry and not misogyny. ; )
  
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  April 7, 2023 8:51am
- Souvlaki
  
  One has to respect Bradbury’s savaging of the ” Rainbow Parakeet” & the Greens wokeness🤣
  https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2023/04/06/green-on-green-friendly-fire-the-rainbow-parakeet-savages-chloe-swarbrick/
  
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  April 7, 2023 8:57am
  - Mike
    
    You’ll be joining the party and voting for his ‘top five’ then?
    
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    April 7, 2023 9:05am
    - septic skeptic
      
      The first few paragraphs were an amusing read. But as you point out further down he shows us he is not yet ready to join us on the dark side:
      1. Chloe is apparently the second coming of Ardern.
      2. JAG is the only person capable of fixing transport – apparently by shafting the trucking industry.
      3. GG is 5he brains of the outfit!
      
      Spat my coffee at that point
      
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      April 7, 2023 9:44am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
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        No no no no. Please NO!!
        
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        April 7, 2023 3:59pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh, I don’t think a cis male attacking a Wahine Princess from his position of white privilege is going to go down well with his fellow travellers.
    
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    April 7, 2023 9:09am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    That has to be one of the most savage critiques of the Greens I have ever read, and it comes from a LEFTY!
    
    My Highlight!
    
    That a toxic woke avenger like Stephanie Rodgers is ranked 19 highlights how disconnected the uber woke internal staff are.
    
    Really? Stephanie Rodgers? You appreciate her social media timeline reads more like a multiverse 1984 satire where she is Big Sister right?
    
    Including Stephanie Rodgers in the top 20 is like including cancer in a list of agreed ingredients for kindergarten lunches.
    
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    April 7, 2023 9:13am
    - Swifty
      
      https://www.tiktok.com/@bootstheory/video/7215896696914480385?_t=8b2tNI8JcIb&_r=1
      
      Good grief.
      
      The arrogance. The oiliness. The smarminess.
      
      But the big one for me is her total conviction, it appears, that no-one from the right or ‘conservatives’ can hold genuine, well-intentioned beliefs and are all dishonest. That and all their views are merely services to shadowy rich backers.
      
      Thanks for pointing her out slightyrighty, I hadn’t ever come across her.
      
      That person, I humbly assert, isn’t someone we need in our House of Representatives.
      
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      April 7, 2023 12:18pm
  - rouppe
    
    Oh, just noticed the useless former mayor of Wellington, Celia Wade Brown is on the party list.
    
    Never worked for the residents of the City, only her private objectives
    
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    April 7, 2023 9:56am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Rather surprising to see Celia on the list. She is in unwinnable position. I don’t see the point of her standing unless she was highly placed.
      
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      April 7, 2023 10:44am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Same with the guy that could not run the Auckland mayoralty
        
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        April 7, 2023 11:23am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I think she must be bored sitting up in her Wairarapa back-block.
        
        She’s always been a very friendly, social, people-person. (One of the reasons I once voted for her…..)
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131635104/wadebrown-puts-her-hand-up-again-for-wairarapa-seat
        
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        April 7, 2023 11:55am
      - artemisia
        
        Ms Wade-Brown mentioned (somewhere) she was aiming to boost the Green party vote. That is a sensible aim. She will be able to get Green policy in front of voters.
        
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        April 7, 2023 12:37pm
      - Colville
        
        Celia will do well for the Green Party vote.
        
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        April 7, 2023 12:46pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Good stuff from a leftie. The ‘Rainbow Parakeet’ will be wishing she was more careful, or was this done on purpose to get the slackarse media attention?
    
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    April 7, 2023 10:56am
- rouppe
  
  Marama Davidson did not express a misogynist view, she expressed a misandrist view.
  
  There are different words for the target of the prejudice for a reason.
  
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  April 7, 2023 9:06am
- Hollyfield
  
  I don’t think the label “crybaby” is even accurate. Due to this fuss I listened to Chloe Swarbrick. I didn’t agree with her content at all but I thought she gave a passionate and eloquent speech which clearly set out her views. She had good expression which made her easy to listen to. I would even call her speech stirring (although it didn’t stir me as I look at the facts from a different perspective to Ms Swarbrick).
  
  To label her a crybaby is very demeaning and disrespectful, with ageist and sexist undertones. It also superbly highlights that age (in Ms Kerekere’s case) does not correlate with maturity.
  
  DPF suggests it was an MP who leaked the text, which has made me wonder; who gains from this and therefore would have leaked it:
  * someone who doesn’t value Ms Swarbrick and seeks to undermine her
  * someone who doesn’t value Ms Kerekere and seeks to undermine her
  * someone who has gone down in the list rankings and may benefit from a shuffling of the list as a result of this issue
  
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  April 7, 2023 9:55am
  - hullkiwi
    
    There are 3 suspects who comes readily to mind.
    They are:
    
    1. GG, who suffered an apparent fall in her rankings; or
    2. Chloe herself, to get rid of her nemesis once & for all; or
    3. Anyone else who benefits from getting rid of both Chloe or Elizabeth.
    
    How’s that?
    
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    April 7, 2023 10:13am
- emmess
  
  When two enemies are fighting, stay out of it
  
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  April 7, 2023 10:10am
- peterwn
  
  Marams’s reaction to Elizabeth was to effectively suspend her and ban her from the workplace as a MP. Marama probably did not even consult James Shaw the other co-leader. The penalty for not accepting the suspension would be serious risk of a low list position, so Marama was able to do it despite not having formal authority.
  Arguably she acted more decisively than Chris did with Stewart Nash, at least Stewart was not told to stay at home pending investigations.
  
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  April 7, 2023 11:42am
- Jim
  
  100% right with single substitution: misandry
  
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  April 7, 2023 4:36pm
A deplorable

The country is coming apart at the seams and TV 3’s 6 o’clock news has as its lead a story that one Green bitch has called another a crybaby. Highly likely the whole thing’s a beat-up to keep the Greens in the limelight. The media are being played.
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April 7, 2023 8:26am
- Hollyfield
  
  “Highly likely the whole thing’s a beat-up to keep the Greens in the limelight.”
  
  …or fuelled by Labour supporters to try to tank the Greens vote, as happened with Metira Turei 6 years ago. There have been two Greens “scandals” in the last 2 weeks. How many more will there be leading up to the election?
  
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  April 7, 2023 9:57am
  - Ruahine
    
    Hollyfield. You could be right on the money there. That is what Labour did to Winston Peters aka NZ First just before the last election when they got the SFO and the MSM to go after him over donations from his supporters. It worked. Labour got NZ First out of the way and got their majority and then were able to put into place and carryout the destructive policies being inflicted on New Zealand society.
    
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    April 7, 2023 10:49am
    - leoj
      
      Winston got himself beaten because of a spat with Bill English.
      
      Consequently, the country is in a shambles.
      
      Along with Labour and Greens, NZ First voters are morons.
      
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      April 7, 2023 12:09pm
- Che Guava
  
  Television plays to its audience, and its audience is predominantly idiots, so it follows that their leading story is completely inane and irrelevant.
  
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  April 7, 2023 11:10am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  You may well be right
  
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  April 7, 2023 11:25am
Philview

The media are unsurprisingly pushing the story that Jacinda Ardern has been the country’s greatest ever leader. I think the glorification of her leadership related to the mass murder of 51 people is a bit off. It is a deliberate exploitation of the tragedy by Labour. I give her credit that Covid was an incredibly difficult challenge but feel it was used as cover to push an ideological agenda around Co-Governance that has damaged the country.
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April 7, 2023 8:28am
- Che Guava
  
  Many women seem to take umbrage at the suggestion, arrived at over millennia of observation, that they are generally the more compassionate, empathetic and nurturing sex (while men tend to be more generally heroic, assertive and impersonally rational in disposition), yet both of Ardern’s major accomplishments (widely purported, though highly dubious) can be summed up by the emotive slogans “they are us” and “be kind.”
  
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  April 7, 2023 11:15am
- Swifty
  
  Why do we never hear about the fact that it was Ardern’s law changes which allowed incompetent and incomplete reviewing and assessment of his fitness for a firearms license, and which he used subsequently to acquire his firearms and ammunition?
  
  That man should never have been given a license in the first place – a failing which sits firmly on Arden’s shoulders.
  
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  April 7, 2023 12:30pm
- pussycat
  
  Brendon O’Neil at Spiked has a more down to earth opinion of Jacinda’s recent elevation.
  
  https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/04/06/globetrotting-green-elites-are-a-threat-to-democracy/?
  
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  April 7, 2023 2:29pm
- Jim
  
  Just look at any of the multiple NZ media clips about this on YouTube. To be blunt, there’s more interest and up ticking of any video of a cat licking its anus.
  i.e it’s fake news.
  
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  April 7, 2023 4:40pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Meanwhile in other news:
https://thepatriotchronicles.com/news-for-you/judge-orders-porn-star-stormy-daniels-to-pay-trump-back-lol/
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April 7, 2023 8:31am
Grunter

China once again attempting peace talks in Ukraine. The EU appears to have had enough. Zelenskyy even admitting they are nearing an end point. Meanwhile the US warmongers continue to push towards more needless death and talk up a big game on both Russia and China. It’s now very clear who is causing this mess (and it isn’t Putin)
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April 7, 2023 8:46am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Grunter,
  So the person who started the war is the least to blame. I guess it was always Poland who started WW2.
  Having said that, I do think an armistice on the current frontline is a future outcome. Though not before both sides try a major summer offensive. Which will probably fail for both sides. Though Ukraine may think it’s new MBT’s may turn the tide. We will see.
  Only after the upcoming offensives will serious discussions take place.
  
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  April 7, 2023 10:51am
  - Che Guava
    
    The case of Poland in 1939 is actually very close to Ukraine in 2022: the undemocratic and authoritarian Poland, backed by assurances of military aid by Britain and France (that later proved worthless), obstinately refused to negotiate with the Germans over returning ethnically German Danzig to the Reich, so eventually the Germans were left with no other option than to take it back. The Poles were oppressing and brutalising ethnic Germans living in Danzig, but you never hear about this. An ideal outcome? No, but to deliberately overlook the decades leading up to the event is dishonest.
    
    So yeah, the Germans and now Putin rolled over the respective borders, but it suits the cartoonish narrative in both cases that each leader simply woke up on the wrong side of the bed one morning and–for no reason at all–decided to invade their neighbour because they are a bad person.
    
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    April 7, 2023 11:25am
  - Ra Henare
    
    Please Wayne, dont show your bias/ignorance of the events leading up to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
    
    The bogey man behind the conflict appears to point directly to the US deep state. The same bogey man behind Vietnam, Iraq, Kosovo, Syria and Libya amongst others.
    
    Jabbing a bear with a sharp stick will eventually get the bear to attack.
    So you would blame the bear for reacting and exonerate those behind the jabbing with a sharp stick???
    
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    April 7, 2023 12:18pm
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Ra,
      I have read a huge amount on the Ukraine situation . Of course that builds on decades of a close interest in international affairs, including the Cold War and its aftermath.
      So I feel pretty confident in sorting out who bears the primary responsibility for the war. And it ain’t the US.
      
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      April 7, 2023 1:21pm
      - Che Guava
        
        Reading and comprehension are not the same thing Wayne. Clearly you haven’t understood anything you’ve read, although your reading list is probably restricted to US think tanks that are funded by the Pentagon and the State Department, perhaps even some “Captain America” comic books.
        
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        April 7, 2023 1:36pm
      - Che Guava
        
        Since it’s a lazy public holiday Wayne, I wonder if you’d be so kind as to apply your great knowledge and insights on Ukraine, international affairs and the post-Cold War era, and explain to the readers why there is a conflict in Ukraine and how “it ain’t the US” who bears primary responsibility. In fact, any other contributions would be surely appreciated if Wayne’s struggling. Critiques to follow. Many thanks.
        
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        April 7, 2023 1:45pm
      - Che Guava
        
        OK Wayne, while you’re still busy preparing your argument as to why the US isn’t primarily responsible for the war in Ukraine, I’ll give my reasons for why the US is the principal responsible party:
        
        The principal US geostrategic interest is in exercising control over Eurasia. This is why they have been consistently expanding NATO right up the Russian border since the 1990s, as well as establishing a network of military bases that nearly surround China. To completely surround China, they need a compliant Russia, and this means overthrowing Putin and installing a puppet regime more along the lines of Boris Yeltsin in the 1990s (i.e. Putin’s predecessor). This gives them Russia’s natural resources, as well as geographical position vis a vis China. So the United States has wanted a conflict with Russia for at least 20 years, and has been consistently laying the groundwork during this time. They wanted to provoke a Russian invasion of Ukraine (Putin having consistently told them that this was his redline), so they acted to facilitate just that, both by installing a US-friendly Ukrainian government in 2014, and then in aiding them in the bombardment of the Donbass, which proceeded right up until March 2022, and advocating for Ukrainian membership of NATO.
        
        The conflict between the United State and Russia, now playing out by proxy in Ukraine, is really about exporting globalism and leftist political orthodoxy to the rest of the world and its corollary of maintaining a unipolar world dominated by the United States. In this schemer, truly sovereign nations like Russia and China are unacceptable. The US has even said that this is the case, when, in March 2022, a month after Russian tanks crossed Ukraine’s borders, the Biden White House summoned America’s “partners” to a civilisational crusade. The administration proclaimed its commitment to those affected by Russia’s recent invasion—“especially vulnerable populations such as women, children, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex (LGBTQI ) persons, and persons with disabilities.” Because of Western intervention since 2014, Ukraine has been completely transformed into a model globalist country, with all of the rampant progressivism this entails.
        
        Russia clearly sees the war as existential. From Putin’s speech earlier this year: “This means they plan to finish us once and for all. In other words, they plan to grow a local conflict into a global confrontation. This is how we understand it and we will respond accordingly, because this represents an existential threat to our country”. And the West sees a loss as a mortal threat to their hegemony, their globalisation project, and their exporting hardline political correctness to the rest of the world, as has already happened in Ukraine.
        
        The U.S.’s extensive financial sanctions on Russia have had little, if any, cost to Russia, while it has motivated Russia to abandon the U.S. dollar as a mechanism of international trade, which is also something that China views positively. The multipolar world is coming into being and is being expedited by the war in Ukraine. For the Neocons in charge of U.S. foreign policy, it’s an existential moment because their much yearned for unipolar world run by the U.S. may be unravelling.
        
        In a recent UN General Assembly vote calling for an end to the fighting and Moscow’s immediate withdrawal from Ukraine, Russia voted against, while China, India and South Africa abstained. Also, with the recent Saudi-Iran rapprochement along with Syria,the U.S. are looking at an alliance between Russia, China, India, and much of the Islamic world that rejects what the West has become—promoting globalism at the expense of nationalism (i.e. a cadre of Western oligarchs and multinationals, as represented by the WEF, running the world) and pseudo moral crusades at the expense of traditional cultures which are inevitably seen as “backward” and change-worthy by the woke elites running the West.
        
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        April 7, 2023 5:13pm
      - Jim
        
        With respect Wayne, US citizen Prof John Mearsheimer (political and international relations analyst) would disagree with you on every aspect. Maybe he doesn’t watch CNN.
        
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        April 7, 2023 7:26pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Jim
        Yes, I am aware of Mearshiemer’s view. He is wrong.
        It is an essential NATO interest that Russia not prevail in an aggressive war in the middle of Eastern Europe. This is not Georgia or Armenia. A Russian victory would destabilise entire Eastern Europe.
        In addition Ukraine has shown a determination to staunchly resist Russian aggression. It is not a situation where NATO can walk by and say “nothing to see here”. Not if NATO is to be regarded of any real value to its members, especially those in Eastern Europe.
        The reputation of the US as the leader of NATO would be at stake. It is different to Afghanistan. In the long run NATO has no real interest in Afghanistan, so long as they are not a haven for international terrorists who would launch massive attacks on NATO nations.
        Now I realise that there are apologists for Putin, some commenting here. I guess they are entitled to their views, but I don’t share them. Fortunately, neither does the NZ government. boy present and prospective.
        
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        April 7, 2023 9:23pm
  - rangitoto
    
    The Bradley IFV’s if used properly will be more important than the MBT’s. The TOWs they are armed with have longer range and accuracy than MBT guns. They have 100 – 1 kill ratio against Russian stuff.
    
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    April 7, 2023 2:54pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Wayne Mapp – define “started” please. It seems to be a very fluid point in time. I will categorically declare it wasn’t when the Russians crossed the border. This “war” was declared when Victoria Nuland, John McCain and the US MIC decided to use Ukraine as a proxy to weaken Russia.
    If you don’t understand that then you haven’t been paying attention.
    
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    April 7, 2023 7:38pm
JimBobJoe

HDPA says St Jacinda is a hypocrite…

Lol. Its only taken her forever to figure it out!

https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2023/04/heather-du-plessis-allan-you-cant-take.html?m=1
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April 7, 2023 8:46am
JimBobJoe

Lindsay Mitchell looks at MoH failings on immunisation…

https://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.com/2023/04/deadly-excuses.html?m=1

Im sure Widogast that this comes as no surprise to you
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April 7, 2023 8:48am
BeaB

Astoundingly detailed coverage of the Greens spat when all we get about Hipkins’s moronic ignorance of what a woman is has barely rated a mention. Apart from a couple of earnest articles blaming the guy who asked the question. Of course.
No-one has even asked why he has ‘pre-formulated’ answers. Do the media give him their questions in advance? Is that why Jessica Munch groaned when Plunket asked the question? Wasn’t it on the approved list?
No wonder we turn to social media to find out what is going on. Our MSM are no more than propagandists for the Labour cabal.
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April 7, 2023 8:49am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Was it JMM that said out loud Oh for Fks sake?
  
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  April 7, 2023 9:49am
- graham
  
  Well said BeaB.
  
  Time and again, the MSM warn us to be wary of getting our news from social media, but honestly when they do such a piss-poor job what do they expect?
  
  Do they honestly believe that they’re doing such a great job, there’s no gaps to be filled?
  
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  April 7, 2023 11:47am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  BeaB,
  If you have seen the clip I would have thought it very obvious that Hipkins very clearly did not have preformulated answers. He was thinking through his answer in real time.
  Labour of course will have some sensitivity about trans gender issues. They have actually had a trans gender MP.
  So a Labour person is not going to say a woman is exclusively a person with XX chromosomes. They will, at the minimum, include a person as a woman who has taken the level of steps as Georgina Beyer. These days most people would agree with that. They will generally be treated as a woman. It would be rude to do otherwise.
  It seems to me the issues arise primarily in two areas.
  One, those who haven’t had the surgery. Especially around changing rooms, etc. Two, women’s elite sport. Even those who have had surgery may still have physical advantages around muscle strength. It seems that is being sorted, with stricter rules to ensure a level playing field, so to speak.
  
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  April 7, 2023 3:52pm
ClanMcleod

Well aren’t our recent Labour Party leaders doing a wonderful job highlighting what a spectacular and inviting little basket case of a country they have turned us into!!

New Zealand’s Lockdown Queen Becomes Internet Authoritarian

Remember New Zealand’s crazy ex-Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, who not-so-subtly (as in, completely) got off on forcing Kiwis to follow draconian, unscientific “Covid-Zero” lockdown rules?

Now, after a tearful resignation, the ‘covid fascist’ has fully transitioned to internet authoritarian – and will be in charge of ‘combating online extremism.’

(There are some excellent reminders of the insanity imposed on us over the last 3 years in the full post.)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/new-zealands-lockdown-queen-becomes-internet-authoritarian?utm_source=

This is not “conspiracy theory”. It is happening right around the world. The term Censorship Industrial Complex is apt.

When you listen to their United Nations speeches, read their reports, and read their emails, it’s clear that the leaders of the Censorship Industrial Complex are waging an “influence operation,” like the kind the U.S. military waged abroad for decades. Governments are funding third-party contractors, e.g., “think tanks,” to smear their enemies as “conspiracy theorists” who are “spreading hate” and causing “real world harms” so that they can censor and discredit them.

Now you know why The Disinformation Project exists. This is straight out of 1984, the Ministry of Truth.
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April 7, 2023 8:49am
- Inandout
  
  CM, I prefer this to DP:
  Manhattan Project
  
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  April 7, 2023 10:28am
- Che Guava
  
  Liberal Democracy has reached the point where it requires just as much censorship of dissenting views and the construction of false realities to maintain its hegemonic position as does North Korea or the former Soviet regime. Just because most livestock never brush up against the electric fence, doesn’t mean they aren’t hemmed in by determinate limits just as much as those who test the limits and get zapped.
  
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  April 7, 2023 11:37am
Maggy Wassilieff

Who knew that solving climate change was cool?

More publicity about “Earthshot”, our dearly departed ex-PM’s latest gig.

https://theconversation.com/do-glitzy-awards-like-the-earthshot-prize-actually-help-solve-problems-of-climate-change-podcast-203384

“The reason why the BBC asked me to actually check the scripts is because the whole show was put on by the BBC Light Entertainment Unit, as opposed to the science unit,” he explains. According Maslin, that’s a good thing. “It is little bit of razzmatazz, and it basically says ‘Guess what? Solving climate change is cool.’
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April 7, 2023 8:52am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Well that’s cool! Now I’ll take the whole topic of “climate change” really seriously……//
  
  🤡🤡🤡
  
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  April 7, 2023 9:00am
  - Che Guava
    
    Science says that 99% of climate scientists hold a consensus that fighting climate change is “cool.”
    
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    April 7, 2023 1:50pm
- Gravelroad
  
  @MW-
  I think that for many people here, ability to keep paying the rent and putting some nice food on the table would be cool too.
  Could we get our taxpayer funded media influencers and celebrities in the “light entertainment unit” to have a go at making a programme with a “little bit of razzmatazz” about children in poverty and the people living in motels?
  
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  April 7, 2023 9:02am
  - Mike
    
    Pitch it as a game/reality show involving our prominent, but unfunny, ‘comedians’ and other alleged ‘personalities’, and it’ll have a shot at getting broadcast.
    
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    April 7, 2023 9:07am
    - Nickc2
      
      In addition, throw in some Maori actors, plenty of Te Reo, and obligatory references to the so-called principles of the ToW while constantly referring to NZ as Aotearoa.
      IMO, that’s pretty much a Work Instruction for all those cliques that comprise NZ’s MSM.
      
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      April 7, 2023 9:50am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  University Challenge is light entertainment, ditto QI.
  
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  April 7, 2023 9:33am
- Ignoranus
  
  Mark Maslin – a distinguished professor from my old college talking to normal people. Not climate deniers…
  
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  April 7, 2023 1:11pm
Chuck Bird

Caleb Bond mocks Jacinda Arderns ‘emotional’ valedictory speech

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqUKpXLx9e4
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April 7, 2023 9:00am
Maggy Wassilieff

Willie Jackson misunderstands basic economics

Someone should explain to Willie that saving money is not the same as wasting less than you once intended to.

“Is this Labour’s new fiscal strategy? Announce ludicrous spending, cancel it, then boast about it as savings.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2304/S00033/govt-prioritises-new-rnz-website-over-cost-of-living.htm
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April 7, 2023 9:02am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Don’t you worry, Maggy. The money will be repurposed, because, you know, it’s just sitting there.
  
  http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/487441/rnz-to-receive-25m-a-year-in-funding-boost
  
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  April 7, 2023 9:36am
  - Paulus
    
    The $55 million has run out so needs to top up before the election to tell us how bad National and Luxon are.
    
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    April 7, 2023 1:43pm
- Tricati
  
  The idiot was said he was going to have a talk to Simon Powers over likely additional funding for TVNZ, when Powers had announced his resignation days before – Another useless Minister not across his portfolio, unless its to promote separatism.
  
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  April 7, 2023 10:11am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Simon Powers.
    Another member of the John Keys, Mike Hoskins club.
    
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    April 7, 2023 10:25am
- Burtland
  
  he was pulled up on this on RNZ and his reply was just a sly laugh (2:20 below) – dont think he gives a rats-arse
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/487441/rnz-to-receive-25m-a-year-in-funding-boost
  
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  April 7, 2023 11:05am
  - Swifty
    
    I find that man deeply dishonest.
    
    This latest episode reinforces that.
    
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    April 7, 2023 12:39pm
Gravelroad

@SteveO
Mmmm- was wondering about where the Far Canal was.
Got it finally.
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April 7, 2023 9:06am
Chuck Bird

I got this in Ginny Andeerson’s reply to my questions.

“I am advised additional police staff were policing the protests on Saturday”

This is contrary to the statement of the women who were there. They said the police were asked to help them by the women and the police refused.

Thumbs up if you believe the women who were there

Thumbs down if you believe the police
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April 7, 2023 9:07am
- Hollyfield
  
  I gave you a thumbs up, but both could be true. One women’s account I listened to on the radio said she kept going into (I think it was) Princes Street to ask the Police to come and help and they didn’t. From the woman’s statement the Police were there next to Albert Park, and there could even have been “additional police staff” as Mr Anderson says. But that doesn’t mean they did anything to prevent violence or protect those being harmed.
  Ms Anderson’s statement could be technically accurate but also an avoidance of the facts.
  
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  April 7, 2023 10:04am
- Piniwi
  
  Funny Chuck Bird watching Anderson at question time all her answers to primary and supplementary questions were read from a script in her hand. It seems that somebody is looking after her in her new roll while the opposition see she is a weak link.
  
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  April 7, 2023 11:03pm
  - Ghost
    
    That’s normal. Government or greens typically ask patsy questions to the minister who has the answer written out to read out
    
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    April 7, 2023 11:28pm
Stellaboxer

Happy Easter Kiwi bloggers even Mike.
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April 7, 2023 9:13am
- kowtow
  
  The Easter “celebrations” ie the happy bit , don’t start till very late on Easter Saturday at earliest when Christians do ‘celebrate’ the Resurrection.
  
  Good Friday is not a day of celebration , but one of solemn reflection ie the Crucifixtion is today.
  
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  April 7, 2023 9:32am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Easter Day is not until Sunday
  
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  April 7, 2023 9:37am
rouppe

Got to have a laugh at Gender Minorities Aotearoa spokesperson Ahi Wi-Hongi completely missing her own point.

On the one hand she says

Gender Minorities Aotearoa spokesperson Ahi Wi-Hongi said she believes Plunket’s motivation to ask what she calls a “gotcha question” has anti-trans undertones.

And

“Historically, Māori culture has included more genders than just male and female, and that’s going back a long, long way,” they said.
“Pre-colonisation in Aotearoa, the human rights situation and gender equality was much more advanced than it was in the UK at the time.”

OK. So how did pre colonisation Maori trans rights work? She then goes on to say

The ancient Māori term takatāpui is defined as “an intimate companion of the same sex”. Evidence of diverse Māori sexualities and expressions in pre-colonial Aotearoa have been uncovered in old chants, songs and carvings.

Papahou and wakahuia (carved treasure boxes) usually depict a man and woman intimately intertwined on the lid. But there is one in Auckland Museum that depicts female figures together and another at the British Museum that features men engaging in intimate acts.

What she’s describing is homosexual behaviour. Not trans behaviour. Which seems to undermine her whole argument
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April 7, 2023 9:22am
- Surely Knott
  
  Plunket will be thrilled with the free advertising. I wonder how many more follows he gets on the platform and Twitter today.
  
  The article also mentions the significant debate happening in the uk over the self Id laws but assures us nothing to worry about here in nz as the legislation went through already with a full consensus.I don’t think many kiwis will be aware of what happened or the specifics of what passed in nz because the media doesn’t cover it. NZers hold their lack of division up believing they are above other countries , but a single unitary vision amongst our parties and a single perspective from our government media is a serious bug in our democracy not a feature.
  
  One final point lots of talk about women’s safe spaces and how they might be affected. But earlier interviews Ahi Wi-Hongi talks about trans women prostitutes being excluded from women only brothels. Trans women in female brothels …..it could be a little confusing if you had a preference one way or the other.
  
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  April 7, 2023 9:59am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Hmmm not sure how NZs radical wokesters are going to cope with being the laughing stock of the world when just a short time ago they thought themselves universally admired.
    
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    April 7, 2023 4:40pm
- Surely Knott
  
  What is the point of the Charities.org.nz financial accountability rules if they don’t enforce them.
  
  Looks like Gender Minorities Aotearoa is exempt from having to declare their committee officers. They didn’t have to file their 2020 or 2021 accounts just declared 2021 152k & 2020 114k of income. And they have not shown their sources of revenue or expenditure, nor their company structure.
  
  This last year their funding doubled. Who funds them in 2022 $360k of income per annum for these paid activist spokespeople. How is the money spent?
  
  https://register.charities.govt.nz/CharitiesRegister/ViewCharity?accountId=bcb74baa-b5ab-e911-9ba0-00155d6b7730&searchId=ed9bdc1e-cc33-4f2c-b0c0-cd97cb7121fa
  
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  April 7, 2023 11:05am
- Swifty
  
  Well spotted rouppe.
  
  I saw that and noticed it was riddled with holes.
  
  Human rights in pre-contact New Zealand?
  
  Like being free from being invaded, butchered or enslaved by your neighbour who coveted your fishing grounds? Kept alive to be slaughtered and consumed at a later date?
  
  Those human rights?
  
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  April 7, 2023 12:43pm
  - Taieri
    
    Human rights in pre-contact New Zealand?
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    Human rights…the pale, stale man’s invention…
    
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    April 7, 2023 4:48pm
Yvette

A person is injured after a robbery in Hamilton on Thursday night
The aggravated robbery happened at a store in Hare Puke Dr, Flagstaff just before 9pm, police said in a statement.

Is by chance this Flagstaff store the same store as in the Kiwiblog report of the Stuff report –

Robbed of cigarettes and tobacco by four armed thieves, his Flagstaff Supervalue superette has been the target of 12 robberies in 12 months, he says.

– and at the end of that article, the statement –

Should thieves attempt to rob his store again, Farooqi has a warning for them that leaves little to the imagination.
“I will kill them.”

So in her closest attempt to define “hate speech” Ardern said it was an statement against a minority to incite violence, and iso n this case is the threat “I will kill them” also a challenge that incites the violent action in “Ha, you have been robbed 13 times now”, and where, if not in reality but still the theory “when you hear it, you will know it” does Ardern’s definition lie?
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April 7, 2023 9:25am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Is by chance this Flagstaff store the same store as in the Kiwiblog report of the Stuff report
  
  Yes, it is the same store DPF referenced yesterday.
  
  It seems the Owner is OK, it was another worker who was attacked and then taken to hospital.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/131721234/cattle-prod-allegedly-used-on-store-worker-as-dairy-robbery-onslaught-continues
  
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  April 7, 2023 10:13am
Maggy Wassilieff

Why is it so difficult to get a ferry crossing of Cook Strait these days?

In the mid-late 1970s, I regularly travelled back & forth from Wellington to Picton at least once/month for a period of 3 years.
I never had a cancelled ferry… (had a couple of rough crossings).
I think the worst I had to put up with was a delay of a few hours after an incoming ferry had bumped the Picton wharf.
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April 7, 2023 9:27am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Ferry buyers thinking second hand is as good as new. Typical NZ short arms/ deep pocket thinking.
  
  Let’s hope Kiwirail have the design specs & build quality right for their two brand-spanking new ferries.
  
  http://www.kiwirail.co.nz/media/next-step-for-new-generation-interislander-ferries/
  
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  April 7, 2023 9:41am
- rouppe
  
  Agree. What seems very consistent is that a ferry is brought over from some other jurisdiction where presumably it was working fine, and then it’s broken down repeatedly.
  
  Why would that be?
  
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  April 7, 2023 9:49am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Easy reason MW.
  
  The ferries were built to NZ Rail specs with input from Masters and Ch Engineers. They were well maintained and did not operate 24 hrs per day.
  
  Now there is only ONE ferry built for NZ Rail and that is Aratere. Bought on the stocks from a Spanish Yard and had rails installed. She arrived and was known as the Aralemon. However since lengthening she seems to be OK.
  
  All the other ferries inc Bluebridge are 2nd hand and some have been uses through multiple different operators in their life time.
  
  The new ferries for NZ Rail should have been on the drawing board 5 years ago and in the water NOW. However the board has to wait for the Min of Finance to sign off the money instead of the board going to the banks and getting the money to build.
  
  I have a horrible suspicion that these huge ferries are not going to be a success and they will have to get a third.
  
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  April 7, 2023 9:49am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I agree fighting.
    A marine engineer I was talking to last night said they are so big (50,000 tonnes) that it will be too dangerous to try and pass each other in Tory Channel so they will have to go the long way through Queen Charlotte Sound. Also, with only two of them if one goes down with a problem, capacity will be reduced by half.
    
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    April 7, 2023 10:31am
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      They wont pass in the Tory Channel, they will not be allowed to.
      
      If one goes u/s they are in the poo. They need three even if it is 2nd hand.
      
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      April 7, 2023 11:04am
      - Nickc2
        
        Yep, they need two on the run and the other as a standby after it has undergone scheduled docking and maintenance.
        
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        April 7, 2023 11:56am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Even if one KR ferry drops, there’s still Bluebridge, so overall capacity won’t drop by half.
      
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      April 7, 2023 1:15pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    How do you think electric ones eill go ? 😃
    
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    April 7, 2023 11:33am
  - nathie
    
    In terms of Bluebridge then, are they cheapskates by using old second-hand ferries that are (design wise) not really fit for purpose (eg can’t carry rail) whilst trying to cream off profits from KiwiRail to survive?
    
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    April 7, 2023 11:40am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Why would they carry rail? The carry freight and that as a private operator is their right to choose what they carry. Seriously…..
      
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      April 7, 2023 2:56pm
      - Taieri
        
        Why would they carry rail?
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        They couldn’t anyway. Because of NZ narrow gauge railways rail ferries have to be purpose built.
        
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        April 7, 2023 4:49pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, I agree with your conclusion but in the 1970s ferry crews were flown as far as Northland during their breaks. Strikes I believe were common on school holidays and Christmas leading to chaos for travellers.
  
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  April 7, 2023 10:43am
  - leoj
    
    Oh yes, that famous Boilermakers Union, always raised their concerns at Easter, Queen’s Birthday, Labour Weekend, Christmas/New Year and school holidays.
    
    My, they were so concerned about the people.
    
    Unions – simply gangsters and thugs.
    
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    April 7, 2023 12:18pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Not the Boilermakers. The Cooks & Stewards Union.
      
      Or, as they were better known, the Cooks Strait Union.
      
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      April 7, 2023 1:17pm
      - leoj
        
        I stand corrected.
        
        Both were abominable and used identical tactics.
        
        Leaders and members form the basis of the Labour Party.
        
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        April 7, 2023 6:44pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Indeed. I recall one strike was because the bosses had taken away the chocolate biscuits the staff had at smoko, and all they were left with were plain biscuits. That’s how trivial out industrial relations used to be.
    
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    April 7, 2023 1:43pm
  - Taieri
    
    in the 1970s ferry crews were flown as far as Northland during their breaks.
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    And so they should be. This is the normal procedure in the shipping industry everywhere. At present only relievers travel at the ferry company expense. And that’s why they have permanent shortage of crews. Would you pay $20K per year to get to work?
    
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    April 7, 2023 4:53pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Umm – most of us live within an easy commute of our workplace?
      
      Surely the Greater Wellington area, Picton & Blenheim provide a reasonable range of accommodation options.
      
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      April 7, 2023 7:28pm
- Burtland
  
  the wheels fell off the bus literally in 2016 when the Aratere lost a propeller.
  
  Someone ignored the message.
  
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  April 7, 2023 11:18am
kevn

@Maggy… How does waiting for a month to get a motorcycle from North to South sound?
Car and caravan? 2024 maybe?
Third world’ish?
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April 7, 2023 9:34am
Tomtoddy

Ardern has merited a couple of “nothing” jobs. Maybe there are more people out there waking up to her total uselessness.
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April 7, 2023 9:35am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Be fair. She’s being paid what she’s worth.
  
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  April 7, 2023 9:42am
- kevn
  
  @Tom… I’m surprised Prince William got her involved. Might be regrets.
  
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  April 7, 2023 9:45am
  - Matt Long
    
    It show William in a very poor light, maybe more in common with the Markles than the carefully crafted public facade shows.
    
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    April 7, 2023 10:14am
  - Drone
    
    What Ardern has is “STAR” quality, and as a star she doesn’t have to actually do anything but just shine.
    
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    April 7, 2023 11:41am
- Surely Knott
  
  I hope so. The Censorship tech being developed under the cloak of Nz largest terrorism event (the Christchurch call) is linked to a company with chilling ai censorship tech of private messages. Open minded (the company) they are working with compares the tech to a sniffer dog sniffing your bags at the airport but it’s your private messageS. I can only hope with Ardern involved that she follows form and manages not to deliver.
  
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  April 7, 2023 10:10am
Taieri

In the mid-late 1970s, I regularly travelled back & forth from Wellington to Picton at least once/month for a period of 3 years.
I never had a cancelled ferry
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Purpose built vessels
Much less intensive operational patterns
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April 7, 2023 9:36am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’m a bit at sea here….
  
  Which ones are the purpose built ferries – Todays’s or the old ones?
  
  What do you mean by intensive operational patterns?
  
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  April 7, 2023 9:50am
  - Taieri
    
    Interislander:
    
    1. Old ones. Current tonnage are pre-loved vessels (except Aratere, which was a disaster from the day one) and fairly old at that – the newest vessel, freight-only Valentine is 24 years old.
    
    2. No night sailings in the old days. Currently 24 hours operations (except Valentine).
    
    Bluebridge:
    
    Pretty much the same, all second-hand tonnage. Their newest vessel, Connemara, is 16 years old.
    
    The Ro-Ro vessels, such as ferries, are probably the hardest working ships that there are. The necessity to maintain tight schedules, regardless of the weather and constant cargo operations do not help in maintaining them in their optimal condition.
    Another factor is the length of passage across the Cook Strait – marine engines are generally designed to run at about 90% of their rated maximum continuous load and don’t like frequent load changes, which affect their condition and longevity. In the past, there’s a certain Ro-Ro vessel on the Kiwi coast that had numerous engine breakdowns just for that very reason – due to the vessel’s operational pattern, the main engine had a problem with maintaining correct thermal balance.
    
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    April 7, 2023 10:17am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Txs..
      
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      April 7, 2023 10:34am
- rouppe
  
  But the ones we have are purpose built roll on roll off ferris that have been working in the northern hemisphere
  
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  April 7, 2023 9:50am
  - Taieri
    
    Purpose built for the Northern Hemisphere. Cook Strait run is a very specific route, quite different from everywhere else.
    
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    April 7, 2023 10:19am
thirteenstars

Twitter slaps “state-affiliated media” label on NPR, causes outrage.

https://twitter.com/NPR

Twitter’s guidelines define state-affiliated accounts as “outlets where the state exercises control over editorial content through financial resources, direct or indirect political pressures, and/or control over production and distribution.” Other news media accounts with the label include RT of Russia and Xinhua of China.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/05/business/npr-twitter-label-state-affiliated-media.html

Oh, Elon, you little devil. I praise that man because it looks more and more like he bought Twitter just to get in the faces of the neo-Marxist filth trying to destroy his country and the world.

Problem is, for NZ, Twitter’s own rules about this seem to let TVNZ, RNZ and most of our media away with it because although they are state-funded they have “independent” editorial control. Though according to the quote above, TVNZ is most certainly state-affiliated.

https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/state-affiliated

Let’s make the case, shall we:

– Owned by the NZ government
– Funded by the NZ government supposedly to the degree that it would not be viable except for several very lucrative government income streams
– Pro-government editorial stance
– Anti-woman editorial stance (incites trans activists to prevent women from exercising their freedom of speech)
– Journalists, make politically-motivated commentary while reporting: see Jack Tame’s comments while Posie Parker gets egged, “I guess she’s got dinner sorted”.

What else?
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April 7, 2023 9:47am
- emmess
  
  Go on Elon, do it
  Slap the tag on the NZ media
  
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  April 7, 2023 10:29am
  - thirteenstars
    
    And the NZ Police.
    
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    April 7, 2023 11:04am
    - Mike
      
      Would you prefer the police not be ‘state affiliated’?
      
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      April 7, 2023 1:53pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        I’d prefer the police not be politically-influenced or sympathetic to any political cause, which within the context of Twitter’s new state-affiliated tag means the same thing.
        
        The police who stood by, staunch in their disinterest, while the women who were being violently abused on 25/3 asked them for help, were sure as hell under political-influence not to intervene even though it was their duty.
        
        That acted like political operatives and shame on them for failing their oath to uphold the law.
        
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        April 7, 2023 2:57pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        I’d prefer the police arrest criminals, that they protect NZers from violent attacks rather than hiding in their van and that they help law abiding citizens feel safe and gangs and crims feel unsafe.
        
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        April 7, 2023 3:22pm
      - Mike
        
        That’s something different than ‘state affiliated’, also completely untrue of the NZ police.
        
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        April 7, 2023 4:18pm
ClanMcleod

Apparently in Germany the “pandemic” is officially over. They even have a date.
In NZ, not so much.

The German pandemic ends as scheduled; nothing will ever be the same
You cannot confine, repress, terrify, and coerce an entire nation for three years, and afterwards maintain any hope of returning to the world as it was before.

Eugyppius on point again.

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/the-german-pandemic-ends-as-scheduled

The German pandemic is not ending because the virus is suddenly safer or because the vaccines have saved us or because we finally masked our way into a world free of respiratory pathogens. No, it is ending according to a timeline established last Fall, which idiotically synced virus restrictions to winter tyre rules. In this way, our rulers finally abandoned all pretence that their measures were anything more than public health theatre, performed to soothe the feelings of terrified ageing urbanites. Even that schedule proved hard to maintain, and the most visible and obnoxious restrictions had to be withdrawn months ago, as all political energy finally drained from the farce. What remains are vestigial mask mandates for care homes and clinics. After tomorrow, these institutions will be permitted to set their own rules.

As always, the whole post is spot on and well written.

Bayerischer Rundfunk is a public service media outlet, think RNZ/One News. They declared that “freedom is now the rule again.”

Eugyppius disagrees.

Buschmann, who bears direct responsibility for our absurdly extended pandemic regime, could not be more wrong. Freedom is not the rule again. The years since 2020 have proven that all it takes to confine the entire civilian population of a Western country to indefinite house arrest, is a viral pathogen no worse than pandemic influenza. With the right media campaign, the state can close schools and most of the economy, force millions to accept dangerous and ineffective medications, all with the support of a substantial majority of the voting public. Constitutional protections, democratic freedoms, bills of rights – these don’t matter, they are worthless. All you need is a sufficiently scary virus and they can be immediately set aside. That is not how freedom works. None of us will ever forget this.
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April 7, 2023 9:49am
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Dear…
The Jet set brigade have found pastures new…

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/06/new-zealand-loses-appeal-to-rich-foreigners-as-investor-visa-numbers-plunge
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April 7, 2023 9:59am
- rockape
  
  Wasn’t it Nash who was going to bring in rich tourists and rid NZ of backpackers ?
  
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  April 7, 2023 1:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump Indictment. Media over it like flies on shit.
Have the charges ruined him? Nope. News of the indictment Trump raised $5M, $4m in the first 24 hours. Look at the supporter crowds! Yuge. There’s a whole new supporting crowd. Supporting because they hate what the media and the Dems have done to Trump in the last 4 years, He won 2020.
Most Americans believe the Indictment was done for Political purposes. It was.
The indictment has ensured an even bigger landslide in 2024.
Alvin Bragg will lose his job. His so called path to POTUS is not happening now.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/trump-went-from-hero-to-zero-and-it-s-only-going-to-get-worse/ss-AA19uz2R
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April 7, 2023 10:02am
- Inandout
  
  SO, Bragg has a poor history of fighting true NY crime.
  https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/04/03/alvin-bragg-soros-linked-district-attorney-behind-trump-charges-builds-record-refusing-to-prosecute-felonies/
  
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  April 7, 2023 10:51am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Saw that. Pretty useless.
    Bragg got Trump in the crosshairs and pulled the trigger. The chambered round was a blank, not a live bullet.
    
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    April 7, 2023 11:02am
NeverMindTheBollocks

Undoubtedly the current whooping cough epidemic is down to vaccination aversion, a direct outcome of the forced covid vaccination.

Jacinda, you have blood on your hands.
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April 7, 2023 10:03am
- Matt Long
  
  Also the current whooping cough vaccine does not prevent transmission but reduces symptoms, much like another vaccine we may be familiar with.
  Sorry I can’t remember the link but was stated by an immunologist testifying to congress on why the COVID jab wouldn’t prevent transmission.
  
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  April 7, 2023 10:20am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    There’s something to do with the modern type of vaccine not giving full protection against the bacteria… means we now have more asymptomatic carriers of the bug.
    
    https://www.bu.edu/articles/2018/whooping-cough-on-the-rise/
    
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    April 7, 2023 12:46pm
    - mawm
      
      The old whole cell vaccines were more effective in that they had long lasting immunity but had side effects. The newer acellular vaccines have a rapid waning of the immunity produced.
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5710106/
      
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      April 7, 2023 3:43pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      The definition of “vaccine” has been changed twice by the WHO to make the current shit conform to the description.
      Narrative control, pure and simple. People are waking up to it and about time.
      
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      April 7, 2023 8:13pm
- I remember when
  
  NMTB:
  Jacinda is just the figurehead behind which the scientific, medical and governmental services are hiding.
  
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  April 7, 2023 10:22am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Unfortunately describing Pertussis as a type of cough, downplays the seriousness of the disease for babies.
  
  Perhaps if parents were made aware an outbreak of a deadly bacteria affecting babies is occurring, then that might convince them to ensure their kiddies were up-to-date with their vaccinations.
  
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  April 7, 2023 10:26am
- kowtow
  
  Plunket was once world leading .
  Nowaday’s ?
  
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  April 7, 2023 10:55am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Jacinda Ardern’s Governments ensured that Plunket was gutted….
    
    It’s focus changed from home visits to phone calls…
    and from care for all new mums to just those in non-affluent areas…(equity rulz!!!)
    
    Its members had been told families in affluent areas would be deemed “low needs”.
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/366147/families-to-lose-out-with-plunket-changes-nurses
    
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    April 7, 2023 11:27am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Plunket was at the fore-front of how to rip-off $$$$ and Resources from community-supported health groups.
    
    https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/plunket-defends-high-salaries-paid-to-senior-staff/
    
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    April 7, 2023 1:14pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      And one of the first to adopt racially-racist targeted services. I bet they have lost a lot of their volunteers now too.
      
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      April 7, 2023 3:26pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jaspinda does not care. She saw the mess catching up on her and headed for the hills.
  Oma rapeti oma rapeti, oma oma oma
  
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  April 7, 2023 11:04am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump’s first address since walking out of Court.
“They can’t beat us at the ballot box, so they try to beat us through the law,”
Something else I’m not sure about. Of the 34 charges it seems the count should be 33. One of the charges is a double entry!

https://leadpatriot.com/trump-slams-indictment-in-first-address-since-walking-out-of-the-courtroom/22547/
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April 7, 2023 10:13am
I remember when

I watched Minette Batters, President of the National Farmers’Union of England and Wales on ‘Hardtalk’.
The interesting fact is that they are having exactly the same problems that NZ farmers are experiencing.
Difficulty in getting the government to allow sufficient seasonal and worker visa staff into the country.
The use of chemicals, pollution, climate change and their not being allowed to work with members to achieve gradual ongoing fine tuning to overcome these problems.
But perhaps the most important point made was that farming will, over time, become the leader in GHG relief.
Rural land in both NZ and the UK is largely unsuited for anything but farming.

A bit of a – farmers are being asked, and expected, to make massive change WHAT ARE THE REST OF YOU DOING?
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April 7, 2023 10:18am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/how-co-governance-opens-the-door-wide-to-blatant-bribery-and-corruption-not-just-the-suppression-of-free-speech/

Dome Valley mega dump.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Backflip-by-iwi-shocks-groups-opposed-to-Dome-Valley-dump-NZ-Herald.pdf

“In exchange for the settlement trust’s support, Waste Management has agreed to several conditions, including a return of 1060ha of Waste Management landholdings once the site is no longer required, $2m to construct six homes nearby, and a $10m environment fund should the river be exposed to risk.
It is also promising jobs at the landfill for Ngāti Manuhiri descendants.”

NZ is being extorted.
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April 7, 2023 10:35am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  An Auckland couple have 20,000 books on the go.
  Now a Waikanae couple are following suit with 5000. They read the He Pua Pua report and it ‘rocked them to the core.’
  
  This from Dr Muriel Newman NZCPR.
  https://www.nzcpr.com/he-puapua/
  
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  April 7, 2023 10:43am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Wait until the new RMA and 3 Waters are put into action if you think the extortion is bad now.
  
  The Te Oranga o te Taiao statements are the identical twin of Te Mana o Te Wai statements in 3 Waters legislation.
  
  They are the tools with which democracy in New Zealand is to be killed and Iwi will be able to bribe their way into receiving money for any and all development(s).
  
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  April 7, 2023 11:42am
- hullkiwi
  
  Steve, just a pity that the Maori advisors who took the money from Waste Management, while representing the iwi, were not representing the wishes of the iwi. Yes, the guys who took the money did a deal that was contrary to what the greater iwi wants, which is no dump.
  
  So, it is now a case of an iwi fighting with itself.
  
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  April 7, 2023 2:37pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The money is grabbed by the Elite Maori and stuffed away in Trusts or even “Blind Trusts”
    The Coup, remember the Coup. It is happening, and I am not a scaremonger.
    
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    April 7, 2023 4:04pm
- kiwikidsnz
  
  “It is also promising jobs at the landfill for Ngāti Manuhiri descendants.”
  
  Sounds like a clear breach of the Employment Relations Act 2000 and the Human Rights Act 1993
  
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  April 7, 2023 6:50pm
kevn

@SteveO… Extra koha floating about.
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April 7, 2023 10:39am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There are shitloads of koha.
  Looks like another step to ‘separatism’ to me.
  There is a Coup happening under our noses. Ignore at your peril!
  
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  April 7, 2023 10:45am
Hollyfield

More interesting I think is the conflicting views between the iwi decision-makers and iwi trust beneficiaries.

For Mikaera Miru, from Te Uri o Hau, the settlement trust’s backflip is a bitter pill to
swallow.
“It has been a huge surprise. We feel like our throats have been slit by Ngāti Manuhiri.
This is not Ngāti Manuhiri people – this is a statutory board.”
…..
That has raised concerns among Ngāti Manuhiri about who at the settlement trust has
chosen to support the application.
Annie Baines from Ōmaha Marae says the settlement trust does not correspond with its
members.
“There has been no engagement with the Ngāti Manuhiri Settlement Trust, with its
beneficiaries. We have had no hui, no pānui.”
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April 7, 2023 11:18am
BeaB

RNZ News urging ‘pregnant people’ to get whooping cough vax. You blokes had better get cracking before you go into labour.
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April 7, 2023 11:20am
- Inandout
  
  BB, then the panelbeater, fisherman, sportsman etc with Maori accents imploring the whanau to get vaxxed. For most listeners it just reminds them of Jacinda times and they tune out.
  
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  April 7, 2023 12:21pm
Nickc2

Don’t you just get pissed off with all these Media Types attempting to glorify Ardern’s reign of Tyranny?
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April 7, 2023 11:26am
emmess

Another school shooting planned by a trans thwarted
https://youtu.be/qO2BClnkiBw
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April 7, 2023 11:27am
- Ghost
  
  Reading the news and the description of how he was living, sounds like he had mental health issues.
  
  “Once entering the home there was trash piled up all around the house to where it made it hard to walk inside,” part of the arrest papers reads. “There were numerous containers filled with half eaten food with mold growing inside and numerous alcoholic beverage containers laying around the house.”
  
  Article
  
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  April 7, 2023 11:51am
  - Ghost
    
    Interestingly after the above video this one followed. Teenager that killed a 13 year old girl, stabbing her over 100 times , there is nothing there. Sentenced to life in prison, 25 years until he can apply for parole, no emotion, just nothing.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDD8flMdwTg
    
    Article on his crime
    
    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/24/us/aiden-fucci-sentencing-tristyn-bailey-stabbing/index.html
    
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    April 7, 2023 12:42pm
- Che Guava
  
  The phenomena of school shootings and people identifying as transsexual are both symptoms of a severely dysfunctional society. They are completely anti-social effects of underlying causes, principally widespread social dislocation.
  
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  April 7, 2023 12:07pm
Burtland

shitloads of CORRUPTION
all the big power projects are full of it
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April 7, 2023 11:32am
oldfella

Someone just send me this poem:
++
Dear Jacinda:
You may have run away
From your five years in the sun
But I will not forgive you
For the damage you have done

Our beautiful New Zealand
Can it ever be the same?
Now ravaged by division
And you alone to blame

You’ve left us with so much to fix
You’ve made things so much worse
Your reckless overspending
Has drained the public purse

Children still in poverty
Criminals running rife
Race based legislation
Set to ruin Kiwi life

You grasped your socialist dagger
And you plunged it in our heart
Creating vile apartheid
Which will tear us all apart

So I’m glad you’re gone, Jacinda,
But does Hipkins wear your smile?
I fear the face of innocence
Just masks the crocodile.
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April 7, 2023 11:47am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  very good..
  
  Would make a nice topic for the NCEA Literacy exam.
  
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  April 7, 2023 12:36pm
  - Mike
    
    If only literacy were an NCEA subject.
    
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    April 7, 2023 1:47pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Are you not aware of current NCEA Literacy requirements?
      
      Here they are:
      https://www.nzqa.govt.nz/ncea/subjects/literacy-and-numeracy/level-1-requirements/
      
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      April 7, 2023 4:00pm
      - Mike
        
        You appear to have confused the terms ‘subject’ and ‘standard’.
        Perhaps closer examination of the NZQA website will clear it up for you.
        
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        April 7, 2023 4:21pm
      - Swifty
        
        You know what she means [Mod – maybe, but, deleted]
        
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        April 7, 2023 4:32pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        No, you are the one that decided I was referencing a “subject”
        
        Perhaps you don’t understand what NCEA Literacy is.:
        
        About NCEA Literacy
        NCEA Literacy supports ākonga to develop a level of literacy knowledge and skills to engage successfully with all the learning areas of the New Zealand Curriculum, as well as learning in non-school settings. NCEA Literacy covers foundational literacy. This is approximately Level 4/5 of the New Zealand Curriculum, whereby a student has full control over level 4 and is ready to work at Level 5.
        
        https://ncea.education.govt.nz/literacy-and-numeracy/literacy/learning
        
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        April 7, 2023 4:47pm
    - Mike
      
      [Mod – you can stop trolling Maggy]
      
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      April 7, 2023 6:06pm
      - Mike
        
        Seems uncalled for.
        
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        April 7, 2023 6:54pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There is one above in the Stop Co-Governance about Dome Valley mega dump.
  
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  April 7, 2023 2:23pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I say old chap, would you mind if I sort of steal that and dump it on a few lefties in my Facebook?
  Jolly good show and all that stuff. Thankyou Sir.
  
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  April 7, 2023 2:25pm
  - oldfella
    
    The Jacinda poem? Go for it, SteveO.
    
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    April 7, 2023 4:26pm
thirteenstars

MOD: FYI, the General Debate post seems to have disappeared from the main KB page, in both Chrome and Firefox.

Perhaps someone switched its visibility to private or unpublished.

[Mod – it’s showing for me. Anyone else having problems?]
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April 7, 2023 11:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Found the same. Missing.
  Over on the right is ‘Top Stories’ GD is now second on the list
  
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  April 7, 2023 12:20pm
- thirteenstars
  
  The GD post is directly below the Gabrielle post. When Chrome or Firefox are refreshed the GD title briefly appears and then is hidden.
  
  Shows up in Edge.
  
  Might be something to do with the way the Gabrielle PDF renders because devtools shows the GD post is indeed on the page but hidden underneath the PDF.
  
  [Mod – thanks for the extra info, I can see what you mean now in chrome. passed it along to david]
  
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  April 7, 2023 12:23pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    If it helps, when embedding a PDF you need to use the File block from the block editor sidebar. That should let WordPress render the CSS correctly, which I think is the problem as the page renders correctly but because the PDF is slower to appear it flows over top of the content below it.
    
    The File block should fix that.
    
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    April 7, 2023 12:54pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  General Debate title missing
  
  Nowhere to post a comment on the Cyclone…
  
  Unless you click on the name of a previous commenter on the side.
  
  This happens every time a PDF is posted, I think.
  
  [Mod – thanks, passed that on as well]
  
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  April 7, 2023 12:33pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I post a lot of PDFs origination in Stop Co-Governance. They seem OK.
    
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    April 7, 2023 2:20pm
- General
  
  Still not showing for me so
  -Clicked on yesterdays
  -Changed the 6 to a 7 in the URL (thought of this straight away) Problem solved.
  
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  April 7, 2023 2:04pm
thirteenstars

Go woke, go broke.

Nike and Budweiser sign non-transitioned trans “influencer”, Dylan Mulvaney, as women’s spokesperson. A person who has no breasts is selling women’s sports bras for Nike. Mulvaney, despite having no vagina, also carries tampons just in case a real woman asks him for one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5ifJSVixXs

The helpful Mulvaney:

https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/video/7085547502937787694?lang=en

Read the comments.

This is exactly what Posie Parker is talking about: women being removed from the public space, marginalised and made a mockery of.
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April 7, 2023 12:12pm
- Che Guava
  
  The women’s rights issue is completely secondary to the fact that transgenderism is a pseudo-concept that shouldn’t ever be entertained in any sane society. At best, they should be completely ignored. But as I commented a few days ago, the wider goal is to remove all differentiation and create a society of androgenous rootless Global Citizens who will do as they are told. People are being told that “transgenderism” is a thing, and many are stupid enough to believe this lie.
  
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  April 7, 2023 1:28pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Good for the environment as well – self-chosen sterilisation – helps with Green view we are overpopulated.
    
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    April 7, 2023 3:32pm
    - Che Guava
      
      Feminism has already destroyed fertility rates. But that doesn’t help the environment, because, despite below replacement birth rates, immigration ensures population increase regardless. So yeah, don’t have babies because your career is more important, and don’t have babies to save the environment, because we’ll just bring in replacement populations regardless.
      
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      April 7, 2023 4:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump.
Add to the rest of rabid Democrats and lefties,
Some clown wanted Trump registered as a “Flight Risk”
Seriously. I don’t know where I saw it.
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April 7, 2023 12:22pm
- Mike
  
  He’s only a risk to the flight if he eats too many hamberders before takeoff.
  
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  April 7, 2023 1:44pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    His ‘personal 757 probably has a Macas Chef and galley on board!
    Nothing like a snack on a 2 hour trip. Wonder if The Don cooks?
    
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    April 7, 2023 4:24pm
    - Mike
      
      Just the books.
      
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      April 7, 2023 5:55pm
- Inandout
  
  SO, I am convinced that TDS is a mental condition for some.
  
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  April 7, 2023 1:55pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The TDS ones think I am not on the level, so to speak.
    Swet isn’t it? They go away fuming!
    
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    April 7, 2023 4:27pm
Chuck Bird

I would bet that all those on the left who would claim that Trump incited the violence that happen on Jan 6, 2021, would deny that comments made by our PM and a number of MPs incited the violence on March 25.
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April 7, 2023 12:41pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There are a few coming to the surface that were plants. FBI had more there than Proud Boys. Over 40.
  The whole thing was a theatre, and set up by none other than the crook Nancy Pelosi.
  A Pelosi was helped to have video cameras to bring Trump down.
  No 20,000/10,000 National Guard Troops that Trump wanted, and Pelosi blocked.
  
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  April 7, 2023 4:33pm
Maggy Wassilieff

All gone Quiet on the 3-Waters Front…..

Graham Adams peeks behind the curtains…

https://pointofordernz.wordpress.com/2023/04/07/graham-adams-what-hipkins-doesnt-want-to-tell-us-about-three-waters/#more-21299
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April 7, 2023 12:53pm
- Drone
  
  Interesting point Graham makes unfortunately the MSM don’t/won’t care about it as it’s secrecy is covered by the $55 million payola.
  
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  April 7, 2023 1:26pm
  - Paulus
    
    And the new $25 million additional payout just announced.
    
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    April 7, 2023 1:56pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Bottom line is equal numbers of those voted in and those appointed.
  Nobody will know who is appointed.
  Maggy, go here:
  http://www.stopcogovernace.kiwi
  This is what the Govt and Elite Maori (Maori Party) are keeping quiet.
  Many not in Govt are among the Elite Maori. Julian Batchelor says over 1000.
  
  Start with Tukoroirangi (Tuku) Morgan:
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/300731108/tuku-morgan-to-head-three-waters-iwi-body-for-auckland-and-northland
  Auckland and Northland??
  
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  April 7, 2023 4:52pm
Sparrow

Any thoughts about reintroducing the old Union Company passenger service to Lyttelton?
I guess costs would be prohibitive and everybody drives. Would be nostalgic.
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April 7, 2023 1:15pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Cost too much and who would want 12 hrs in a ship when you can fly. That’s what did for it in the end.
  
  UNLESS you got a European super ferry with all the bells and whistles and ran a daylight service and worked cargo at night.
  
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  April 7, 2023 1:42pm
- Taieri
  
  Even the cargo-only service is no longer viable. Pacifica Shipping used to run 2 vessels from Wellington to Lyttelton for about 20 years and then the volumes dropped to the point where it no longer paid for itself. Strait Shipping tried it with MV Kent with the same result. There’s another outfit that tried Auckland-Tauranga-Lyttelton run with Ro-Ro cargo vessel. This lasted for about 1 years before collapsing, due to Tranzrail price war.
  
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  April 7, 2023 5:01pm
- trout
  
  I recall travelling Wellington -Christchurch overnight on the Hinemoa – a beautiful (inside and out) turbo electric twin screw vessel. I was told the power generating capacity could light up Wellington city.
  And the stewards in the morning at wake up: “here’s a cup of tea. Do you take sugar” “no” “Don’t stir it”.
  
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  April 7, 2023 5:29pm
Swifty

Two lefties going at it after a traffic incident:

https://fb.watch/jLcYuXQ4fz/?mibextid=uc01c0

“You don’t know the pain of my people….”

FFS.
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April 7, 2023 2:05pm
- Prince
  
  Not a white CIS male to be seen.
  
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  April 7, 2023 2:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Coming to a place near you soon. The wheels are in motion. See Stop Co-Governance Blog.
  
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  April 7, 2023 2:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Is the April 7th General Debate still missing?
Some more confusion:
Wherever the Server is, get someone to check the date.
Computers only do what they are told, could be a simple typo. 6th instead of 7th.
OK, I will butt out now.
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April 7, 2023 2:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yes it is still missing but no big deal. On the right are “Top Stories” General Debate today is the second one down. Seems to have swapped places with GD 6th.
  
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  April 7, 2023 2:53pm
- surfing
  
  It is there, but, DPF posted a dodgy PDF link which covers up the link.
  
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  April 7, 2023 4:27pm
Ghost

Police release footage of a robbery in Hamilton

NZ Herald
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April 7, 2023 2:58pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Doctor of? Elizabeth Kerekere made a mistake, or forced a mistake.
You choose. There are a number of cards in a pack. Dr Elizabeth Kerekere is yet to play the Trump Card…..
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April 7, 2023 3:09pm
Swifty

Gee, all those years in journalism and both studying and teaching at Massey and this Stuff reporter can’t tell the difference between anti-religious behaviour and racism:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300848583/10yearold-told-muslims-are-bad-by-classmates-at-auckland-school-dad-claims?cx_testId=8&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=2#cxrecs_s

Or maybe they can tell but choose to ignore it for point scoring reasons?

Either way they make themselves look stupid and/or on the make.

Not that I expect any different from Stuff these days.
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April 7, 2023 3:30pm
- Mike
  
  do you think there is any overlap between hatred of Muslims and hatred of brown people?
  
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  April 7, 2023 4:26pm
  - Swifty
    
    If the Muslim kid was a white Balkan and getting picked on for her hijab etc by white kids – would that count as ‘racist’ too.
    
    Would it be ‘racism’ if the offending kids in the article are Maori or Pacific kids?
    
    Answer me that [Mod – deleted]
    
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    April 7, 2023 4:36pm
    - Mike
      
      Racism is intrinsically linked with questions of power and in and out groups.
      If you think that hatred towards some religious groups had nothing to do with other types of hatred then I ferl sorry for you.
      
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      April 7, 2023 5:15pm
      - Swifty
        
        So you think we should all live like lobsters?
        
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        April 7, 2023 5:52pm
      - Mike
        
        Only victorious ones.
        
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        April 7, 2023 6:52pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I did not think that hatred existed Mike. Brown people follow the faith, Black people follow the faith, White people follow the faith.
    They all follow the Muslim Faith.
    What are you thinking other than stirring the pot of ‘hatred’ Mike?
    Time for you to stand in the corner and think about what you have done.
    Shit stirring troll.
    How about bringing something good to the Blog?
    I know you can.
    
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    April 7, 2023 5:06pm
    - Mike
      
      Sreve
      A lot of people think that they and their people and their beliefs are the norm and that other people and their beliefs are at least weird and often dangerous.
      A lot of people rationalise their feelings of hostility to others by finding justifications – “Muslims are terrorists”, “Maori are criminals”, etc – although their actual statements are often cast more modestly.
      
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      April 7, 2023 5:24pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Uptick sonny boy.
        
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        April 7, 2023 6:44pm
      - James Stephenson
        
        Back in the mists of time, we were called in to school because Master S, who is now 17, had “mocked” a Pasifika kid for their religious belief.
        
        It transpired that said child had taken it upon himself to tell our son, opted out of the bible-in-schools program, that he was going to hell. Our son had responded by telling him that god was fake and his parents were lying to him…needless to say the school weren’t happy that I demanded to know why we were the only parents being spoken to. What’s the “ism” and where is it?
        
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        April 7, 2023 10:10pm
    - Swifty
      
      It’s typical bait and switch from Mike.
      
      I make a point, then he makes a different point, and then criticises or trolls me for not engaging or agreeing on the (different) point he made.
      
      It’s classic straw man tactics.
      
      He’s been doing it for years. It’s dishonest, cowardly and reflects badly on him. Not that he cares, as long as he gets his jollies. That’s all that matters.
      
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      April 7, 2023 7:08pm
surfing

If anyone is interested, this is what they are teaching at high school year 10…

Whanaungatanga – Building Relationships
Kia Ora class,

Welcome to our first unit of work ‘Whanaungatanaga – Building Relationships. You will be required to demonstrate MANA & AROHA within our practical activities. You will then need to grade yourself from a 1-5 reflect on how well you think you showed the concepts as well as briefly reflect, giving examples of how you implemented the concepts and their impact on class whanaungatanga.
Kia pai tō rā
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April 7, 2023 4:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The cancer runs deep.
  
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  April 7, 2023 5:09pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh Dear,
  
  What happens if someone transgresses another’s mana during the practical activities?
  
  Does the unit extend into concepts of utu and tapu?
  
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  April 7, 2023 5:35pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Year nine is the old fourth form. In our boys only class in 4th and 5th form two boys specialised in “aroha”. One became a renown interior decorator; the other an extremely proficient women’s hairdresser. They had little “mana” amongst the rest of the class.
  
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  April 7, 2023 5:50pm
- NothingLeft
  
  There should definitely be an opt-out option for this bollocks same as for religious studies and other indoctrination classes. I’d be asking that my kids to go to the library and read a book or head outside for some exercise instead.
  
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  April 7, 2023 8:57pm
- Ghost
  
  Grade yourself? Looks like I passed with flying colours, who else?
  
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  April 7, 2023 8:59pm
MCōs

I’ve been resting between jobs for ten years now.
One of the advantages is not having to take the motor out onto the congested motorways on long weekends.
We have sometimes gone the opposite direction and watched the poor sods stuck in long lines as masses of humanity attempt to get out of the big city all at the same time.
Today due to circumstances we are about to be a couple of those poor sods.
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April 7, 2023 6:18pm
Ghost

An old speech by a teenager talking about education in the USA, holds true for New Zealand, and still worth watching

Brad Taylor’s address to school board District 196
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