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Mike

Happy Maundy Thursday!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iXNJtNZbds
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April 6, 2023 8:01am
- Tony Stuart
  
  We’re off to a Passover meal at our church tonight; lamb will be the centrepiece.
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:37am
- cjn
  
  Is this click bait?
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:43am
  - Ghost
    
    It’s pure comedy.
    
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    April 6, 2023 11:22am
Warren

Will the the Reserve Bank and Adrian Orr with their raising of the OCR by 50 points to 5.25 be damaging enough for the voter to start the decline of the Labour vote and set the National and Act Party’son a path to victory in the 2023 General Election.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/hefty-ocr-hike-aimed-at-keeping-mortgage-rates-where-they-are/3P6FDUF5MVDDVCRQ6QPDHXGYWU/
You would think with all the crime figures that are being shown on this blog and the talk from many in the media about Labours weak policy on crime that Labour would be suffering in the polls, but once the pockets of the voter starts suffer you would think the tide will start to turn .
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April 6, 2023 8:01am
- Paulus
  
  No, Chippy is a lovely boy and Luxon is bald – that is all you have to know along with more money please Grant – print plenty more.
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:45am
  - Local Miller
    
    You forgot to add that David Seymour is a useless Maori apparently.
    
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    April 6, 2023 9:50am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Hipkins is seen as a joke over the last month, couldn’t sack Nash till it was too late, and indeed he is still a thorn in Hipkins ass, apparently there is a 15 k payment to be mentioned yet, he couldn’t hold the racist Davison too account, he can’t censure another crooked minster Allan. This fool is now being laughed around the world for not knowing what a woman is ffs, but yeah, Luxon is bald ffs
    
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    April 6, 2023 10:16am
    - igm
      
      Seems no better than Cunliffe.
      
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      April 6, 2023 10:58am
      - Tricati
        
        Please, its ‘Sorry for being a man Cunliffe’
        
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        April 6, 2023 12:16pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        @igm: Don’t you mean “Sorry for being a cis white man” Cunliffe?
        
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        April 6, 2023 4:09pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s difficult not to notice the price of basics such as eggs, veges, fruit, meat when you do your weekly shopping.
  
  And when even the $2 shops and 2nd-hand shops are closing up, it’s a fairly clear indication that Labour’s wellbeing budgets are a toxic brew.
  
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  April 6, 2023 9:21am
  - gravedodger
    
    If you can get eggs Maggy, of my last four trips to the supermarkets (Plural) not a single egg on display although New World Rolleston has filled most of the egg shelves with “Easter eggs” , not sure what they will do when the easter crazy ends.
    
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    April 6, 2023 9:46am
    - Ghost
      
      Look around for places selling seconds. Place we get them from has raised the price now $12 for 30
      
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      April 6, 2023 9:52am
      - Sarkozygroupie
        
        What are second grade eggs? Smaller sized?
        
        I can understand 2nd grade fruit ie with branch rub, small size, not uniform shape or colour to meet specific market requirements, but these things don’t affect quality or safety.
        
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        April 7, 2023 6:48am
      - Ghost
        
        Eggs with a slight default, sometimes the shell is too thin.
        
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        April 7, 2023 9:30am
    - Bloody Dago
      
      When Countdown in Northwest is cleaned out of Lindt Easter bunnies times are tough. Pak’n Slave has them for an extra buck each. Try and buy ETA mayonnaise at Pak’n Slave or Countdown, shelves empty for three days now. Mayo is basic and I think some brand pushing going on here under the cover of lack of supply….Acres of Best Foods Mayo everywhere on both stores.
      
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      April 6, 2023 12:58pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        The supermarkets have been doing this with various products since the end of Auckland’s lockdown last year. Often these “shortages” are used as a cover to increase prices when supplies are back on the shelves.
        
        It all just serves to prove how vulnerable New Zealand consumers are to the pricing/supply games of the farmers/manufacturers and the supermarkets. Because of isolation, the small economy & lack of real competition, consumers are vulnerable to whatever the shops want to charge.
        
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        April 6, 2023 1:37pm
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Do yourself a massive favour and try the Best Foods brand, I can’t fault it. We found the ETA a little salty. It has 10% more salt per 100ml and I can taste the difference.
        
        On the other hand, as my 4 year old said a long time ago, when I was trying to convince him that he would like something if he’d only try it, “You don’t know my tastebuds”.
        
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        April 6, 2023 4:16pm
    - blue collar
      
      $8 doz free range . Rural naki road side shop . Suck shit jafas 😁
      
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      April 6, 2023 4:53pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    High inflation, high interest rates, high OCR, low productivity, negative growth, and now a rising unemployment rate along with a billion less in tax. That is what was delivered to the last three in coming Nat governments, Peters has a huge amount to make up, Nats has a great set of books, snd he delivered it to Robertson to squander
    
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    April 6, 2023 10:18am
  - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
    
    Warren – the answer is NO. Watch out for the next poll. It will be Labour up by another 5 points. Sheeple are not hurting enough. They have plenty of money thanks to Robertson.
    
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    April 6, 2023 11:20am
    - leoj
      
      How true. There’s no cut through from the Nats.
      
      Their supporters must be spewing but they are powerless to change course now.
      
      Weak and woke is the direction under the current leadership. Their obsession with climate change is a loser. So is their weak response to the trans issue. Too scared to take a stand.
      
      Imperfect ACT may help them with a spine.
      
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      April 6, 2023 3:19pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Can get Bluff Oysters sometimes. $31 but only seconds (smaller)
    
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    April 6, 2023 11:30am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I guess all the good ones are exported, although I thought that was not allowed.
      Alaska 2015 we went on a trip with our host families and had lunch at a place called Turkey Red.
      They had NZ Bluff Oysters that were pre-frozen.
      Price? US$ 65 a dozen. Wow.
      
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      April 6, 2023 3:01pm
      - leoj
        
        The Willapa Bay (WA) oysters are just as good (and bigger).
        
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        April 6, 2023 3:21pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        Also Chile has the same Dredge Oyster as the Bluff Oyster.
        So not unique to NZ.
        
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        April 6, 2023 3:29pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      $44 this morning in New World. I got a couple for $34 from Baypackers Direct in Mt Maunganui, delish!
      
      @Mods: I hope it’s OK to mention a business by name – I have no connection with it other than being a regular, happy customer.
      
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      April 6, 2023 4:18pm
    - Prince
      
      $37/dozen for firsts at Moore Wilson. And $18 for 30 size seven eggs.
      But no oranges, tomatoes $13/kg. I’m not paying $13 in early autumn for vine tomatoes. Bastards.
      
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      April 6, 2023 8:14pm
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Warren – the answer is NO. Watch out for the next poll. It will be Labour up by another 5 points. Sheeple are not hurting enough. They have plenty of money thanks to Robertson.
  
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  April 6, 2023 11:17am
  - blue collar
    
    No way brother sidekick . Labour are DOOMED …. Got as much chance as as Robertson clearing 2m in the high jump
    
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    April 6, 2023 5:01pm
Scott

With the most holy day in the Christian calender coming up, I look forward to our politicians going to church and observing the Holy days of Good Friday and Easter Sunday.

What’s that you say? We are a secular society? Well actually no. Politicians post on social media their attendance at the Hindu festival of Holi. According to Wikipedia – “Holi is a popular and significant Hindu festival celebrated as the Festival of Colours, Love and Spring. It celebrates the eternal and divine love of the god Radha and Krishna.”
That doesn’t sound very secular?

Politicians also tell us about Ramadan and how great that is. That’s because they want to show us how broad minded and tolerant they are towards the Muslim religion.
Some, who seem to want to get in good with the Jewish community, have posted about Passover.

So in that spirit I look forward to Chris Luxon for example breaking his 5 year absence and going to church this Easter. He does say he’s a Christian after all?
And how about the rest of them?
Marama could go to church and reflect on the sins of those evil white men who she says are behind all this sexual violence. Maybe, just maybe, she could reflect on her own sins as well?

An hour in church could do them all the world of good. 😊
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April 6, 2023 8:02am
- pdm
  
  Scott.
  
  Marama could take Kiri Allen with her.
  
  As a high school teacher in the early 1960’s used to say:
  
  `You are miserable sinners’!!!!
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:58am
- 103PapPap
  
  I’m going to watch the Crusaders live!
  
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  April 6, 2023 9:13am
  - Jethrod
    
    That will deal to the infidels!
    
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    April 6, 2023 10:02am
  - Nickc2
    
    Good on ya! What are the odds?
    
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    April 6, 2023 11:13am
- Rusty
  
  @Scott- I wonder how many MPs including Maori come from some sort of family christian background.
  
  I would say maybe 80%. I’m all for freedom of choice if someone doesn’t want to be a christian but don’t deny and down play the fact your own family generations didn’t have a christian background.
  
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  April 6, 2023 10:50am
- blue collar
  
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  April 6, 2023 5:06pm
slightlyrighty

In a Blink and you miss it moment during Question Time yesterday, Chippie said the Quiet Part out loud.

“Christopher Luxon: Isn’t it the case that this Government’s broken immigration settings have stoked labour shortages and fuelled inflation?

Rt Hon CHRIS HIPKINS: If the member is arguing that we should open up the border in order to repress wages, which was the strategy of the last Government, then he can mount that argument at the next election.”

While we have long suspected this, this is essentially the first time that a senior Government official has admitted that Immigration is being used in an strategic effort to drive up wages, without any regard to the utter chaos this is causing in those industries that rely on Overseas Sourced staff.

Especially in Health.

and, as usual, the Media has not twigged to it. Some will say that this is because the $55 million PIJF has turned the media into compliant lapdogs.

I think it’s because standards of journalism have plummeted.
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April 6, 2023 8:02am
- Simon
  
  “Christopher Luxon: Isn’t it the case that this Government’s broken immigration settings have stoked labour shortages and fuelled inflation?
  
  What a [Mod – no need to call anyone that]. The size of govt and its expansion is causing labor shortages & fueling inflation.
  
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  December 6, 2022 8:50am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Simon, your comment belies your lack of understanding as to what is fuelling inflation. Wage/price inflation control via immigration has been used by NZ govts since the late 1980s, that is a reality and is reflected in many NZ industries at the moment.
    
    Reality, NZ has a small economy, it is susceptible to inflation & deflation caused, by: immigration/emigration, flows of capital in and out of the country, imported price inflation, wreckless govt (& govt agency) control of monetary and fiscal policy, and a lack of proper market competition. Because of NZ’s small relative economic size all of the above factors stoke inflation (as we are now seeing) or cause deflation.
    
    Right now, we have depressed wages in some sectors, wage inflation in some, food prices soaring, house price deflation, interest rates going up, negative movement in the overseas current account, imported price inflation, skills shortages (because of poor education and immigration policies), and uncontrolled government spending with poor outcomes etc.
    
    So, unlike you, I would suggest that Luxon is not the economic retard, but is only asking a question that reflects what is the case in NZ today. I would suggest the real economic retards are sitting on the government benches, and they appear to be very much economic zombies, who are dead at the wheel.
    
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    April 6, 2023 9:45am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      All of a sudden, Luxon doesn’t seem so bad, I mean the shambles with crocked ministers, and Hipkins not knowing what a woman is really shows Hipkins up as a bumbling no hoper, it’s rather ironic that the polls have stopped, one news was due on Monday but no, I suggest a big swing back to reality, especially with some sitting on the fence waiting for Nat policy, which is now coming out each week and appears to be well planned, they have started talking about crime and policing, I would say policy maybe coming after Easter for crime.
      
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      April 6, 2023 10:39am
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        Giant bro – The results have been leaked to me by my spy network. Labour up by 5 points and Nats down by 4. Comfortable Labour-Green gummit.
        
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        April 6, 2023 2:38pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        SCS I pray (to whom/whatever may be in control) that you are very wrong, otherwise NZ will be truly fkd.
        
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        April 6, 2023 8:40pm
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    Had you read the entire exchange in this question, you would have seen that Mr Luxon also asked the following:
    
    Christopher Luxon: How can he justify increasing spending by an extra $1 billion every week when Treasury advised his Government last year that more spending would fuel inflation?
    
    Christopher Luxon: Does he agree with the IMF that high Government spending means interest rates just have to go even higher to fight inflation?
    
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    April 6, 2023 10:30am
- ClanMcleod
  
  slightlyrighty – we no longer have journalists. We have a choice of shills, stenographers and propagandists. Or a combination of any or all of these.
  There isn’t a single one in mainstream media who isn’t compromised or partisan, or both.
  
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  April 6, 2023 9:13am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    And wait, big handout’s coming next week for partisan media.
    
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    April 6, 2023 10:41am
- Local Miller
  
  If they are using the (lack of) immigration to drive up wages, then chalk that up as another failure, because it’s certainly not working for me.
  
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  April 6, 2023 9:55am
  - sirknz
    
    Yup. 3.5% here when inflation is running at >7.
    
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    April 6, 2023 7:30pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Pretty sure that strategy has been differently expressed by others, in this country that is.
  
  It’s certainly a tenet in a wide swathe of political ideologies. Certainly in Britain and the US, conservatives there have opposed freer immigration rules precisely for that reason. Trump–now there’s a name–had exactly that policy.
  
  Now, there’s lot of good reasons to have strong immigration policies, security mainly, but like tariffs, immigration quotas have often been used to “protect” the labour market.
  
  And though I dislike him, Hipkins has a point about Luxon making that an election issue. You can frame such a policy as protecting the livelihoods of Kiwi workers of all stripes, and you could paint Luxon as being uncaring about the effects of more open immigration.
  
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  April 6, 2023 10:01am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Immigration is always about a balance of protecting the interests of a nation’s citizens while addressing certain skill shortages in vital areas.
    
    The balance is currently not right
    
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    April 6, 2023 11:24am
    - hullkiwi
      
      The balance is not right at all, and probably been wrong for some time.
      
      For example:
      1. In order to keep food prices low, farmers rely heavily on bringing in farm labour from the Pacific Islands under a govt mandated scheme.
      
      2. Post Covid the public transport sector has been short of bus drivers, train drivers and free crew. So, the industry is busily recruiting abroad, and the govt & local govts have funded 3 rounds of driver pay increases since July 2022.
      
      These are just 2 instances, you could add in the hospitality sector as well, and I’m sure there are more.
      
      How is it, that NZ has become a high price, low wage economy dependent on cheap (in the main) foreign labour to fill the gaps? This is not signs of a “flexible workfore”, but are signs that NZ has for years been under investing in a skilled workforce and mechanisation of its industries, and therefore the way to fill gaps is cheap labour!
      
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      April 6, 2023 1:22pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        Unfortunately Inflation can only stay high for a while due to Fuel prices because I can’t see it going down now.
        So with that in mind, Importing fuel in US$ we have to keep our exchange rate as high by ( I believe) increasing OCR.
        Is this what Reserve Bank governor was alluding too ?
        I believe so as US Reserve Bank has to keep raising rates as well or at least keep them higher for longer.
        
        Open to suggestions stating otherwise ?
        
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        April 6, 2023 3:37pm
- Piniwi
  
  0Noted slightlyrighty another example from Chippie of going off script quickly becoming a “skill” he is already famous for. He is almost as hard to listen to as the SLG but he too lets things slip amidst his version of word soup.
  
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  April 6, 2023 10:41am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    His teacher was good at word soup waffle.
    
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    April 6, 2023 11:36am
- Che Guava
  
  “this is essentially the first time that a senior Government official has admitted that Immigration is being used in an strategic effort to drive up wages”
  
  Equally, high immigration is used to drive wages down, as well as to keep consumption and asset prices up. Everyone loves supply and demand until the government stops artificially skewing supply and demand in their favour.
  
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  April 6, 2023 12:59pm
- stiff cheese
  
  Hipkins reply was actually okay. You missed out the data he gave:
  
  Consumer Price inflation is 7 percent…. and wages are up 7 percent, too! I’m not a heartless bastard …. so I like the news that the average worker’s pay packet is keeping up with price increases. Would those workers be helped by importing cheap labour? … Answer: NO.
  
  Luxon is only speaking up for his chums, the employers. Which he’s allowed to do but they don’t have so many votes. Try exuding some compassion for people outside the ‘donor class’ Mr Luxon.
  
  However we do need better long-term planning for our Hospital system. Maybe we try bonding the highly-skilled staff i.e. if you’re hard to replace you have to stay here for 10 years before you’re allowed to take those skills overseas.
  
  The ‘training pipeline’ would take into account the numbers likely to leave after ‘the bonding period’ is over. Privatized Healthcare would do a better job but that’s off the table so we’ll have to trust the Govt to do it.
  
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  April 6, 2023 2:59pm
7kiwi11

This morning the Herald asks “Should we be afraid of co-governance?”. Perhaps it should be asking “as a democratic country, do we want co-governance?”
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April 6, 2023 8:04am
- kowtow
  
  Their editorial today claims Ardern had a plan to deal with Batflu ( in an editorial full of other hagiographic lies) .
  
  What plan ?
  
  She panicked us into lockdown over a phone call from an unrevealed overseas person. And had a compliant media to support the draconian , authoritarian irrationality.
  
  And this paper is one of the main pushers of the regime’s dis/misinformation themes and yet they do those themes constantly. Then wonder why no one trusts them.
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:56am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    kowtow – the Whoreald is lucky to be still operating today – if it wasn’t for the PIJF and the advertising revenue they got from pushing the batflu narrative and running Ardern’s propaganda campaign I doubt they would have survived. It certainly isn’t for their “quality reporting”.
    
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    April 6, 2023 9:15am
    - Sacha
      
      I seem to remember reading that Blackrock and Friends have substantial interests in NZ media companies.
      The media industries will not go broke while they peddle the ‘party line’ – especially big Pharma.
      
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      April 6, 2023 10:43am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Sacha – fair point. NZ media would have been picked up very cheaply too when you look at the “quality” of their output.
        
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        April 6, 2023 11:13am
      - Master Mariner
        
        Indeed they do, Amazing no one seems to join the dots.
        
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        April 6, 2023 3:40pm
  - Yvette
    
    kowtow – She panicked us into lockdown over a phone call from an unrevealed overseas person.
    
    The businessmen who helped save us
    Stuff reports:
    
    Warehouse founder Sir Stephen Tindall, Trade Me creator Sam Morgan and former Air New Zealand chief executive Rob Fyfe joined forces to help ready the country to fight Covid-19.
    
    Together they ordered 50 intensive care ventilators, seven planeloads of PPE protective clothing and equipment, and met with the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern the Sunday before lockdown was announced to urge the Government not to delay shutting the country down to try to limit deaths and eradicate Covid-19.
    
    Thank goodness she listened to them, and changed the strategy from mitigation to elimination.
    Ironic that all the Government defenders attacked Sam Morgan for daring to have written an article calling on the Government to move faster. And it turns out he was the guy who was right.
    
    “A number of us guys had a meeting with the prime minister and Grant Robertson on the Sunday before lockdown,” said Tindall.
    
    “Some of us, Sam Morgan and I in particular, realised there was a lot of stuff not getting done. We basically took the bull by the horns along with the guys from Zuru, and used our own money and ordered up a whole heap of PPE gear. There’s actually seven planeloads coming. Two have arrived already.”
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/04/the_businessmen_who_helped_save_us.html
    
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    April 6, 2023 9:31am
    - kowtow
      
      Yvette
      
      It wasn’t them.
      
      She had said it was someone telling her “this is bad , very very bad”.
      
      In some mysterious call from overseas .
      
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      April 6, 2023 11:27am
      - Matt Long
        
        Uncle Klaus perhaps?
        
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        April 6, 2023 11:51am
      - mawm
        
        Billy Goats. Just getting his peons all lined up. I wonder if Morrison and Trudeau got similar calls.
        
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        April 6, 2023 11:52am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      So even apparently intelligent, wealth businessmen make terrible decisions. That’s what I took from that older KB post. Ventilators were one of the worst interventions used at the start, the only thing worse was jamming the most vulnerable, elderly with serious health conditions into a single facility like a rest home.
      That was a horrendously stupid mistake.
      
      The ventilator myth was down to the US health system having a perverse financial incentive system that saw hospitals and clinics paid ten times more for a covid patient if they were put on a ventilator. This killed a lot of people who may otherwise have survived.
      Other countries saw images of people on ventilators and thought “that looks like they’re doing something, we’ll do that too.” Just one in a whole host of disastrous policies. No, this isn’t hindsight, this was available knowledge at the time, but of course was not covered in the mainstream media. The ventilator images looked dramatic, great clickbait. Nobody wanted to be a party pooper and say they are killing people.
      
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      April 6, 2023 11:33am
      - mawm
        
        Businessmen with no medical knowledge and following others with CDC/WHO newly invented guidelines. They just filled a hole the government hadn’t got around to yet. //
        
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        April 6, 2023 11:55am
      - Raphael
        
        You’re looking at it with 20/20 hindsight.
        
        In early 2020, with the information we had available at the time, those were the best actions to take.
        
        Sure we can look back now and say “that was daft because we now know XYZ”, but then we didn’t and all the information we had at the time was that this was going to make the Spanish Flu look like a tea party in comparison. The data we had at the time was suggesting Black Plague levels of casualties.
        
        Yeah, we now know the information we had was based on seriously dodgy models, and obfuscated by the WHO ignoring the work from Taiwan. but we didn’t know that then.
        
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        April 6, 2023 1:33pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Raphael – no I am not looking at it with hindsight. The information was readily available BEFORE we even heard about the “pandemic”. That information was suppressed by mainstream media, but it was there for anyone prepared to look for it.
        
        Here’s a handy “crib sheet”.
        
        https://off-guardian.org/2023/03/24/40-facts-you-need-to-know-the-real-story-of-covid/
        
        It has a clickable menu to go direct to the information I’m referring to.
        
        The post refers to these men wanting to bring in ventilators and PPE.
        It is clear that there were people warning about, not only the uselessness of ventilators, but that they are actually a danger to people with a respiratory infection.
        
        Ventilation is NOT a treatment for respiratory infections. Mechanical ventilation is not, and never has been, recommended treatment for respiratory infection of any kind. In the early days of the pandemic, many doctors came forward questioning the use of ventilators to treat “Covid”.
        
        Same goes for PPE. It is a fallacy that surgeons wear masks ergo we should all wear masks.
        
        Full PPE, face shield, fitted mask, gown, gloves etc etc MIGHT be useful to protect a frontline nurse or doctor and prevent them getting sick. But masks don’t work to stop viral transmission, never did, and this was known prior to this “pandemic”.
        
        Even full PPE can not guarantee protection from an aerosol based virus.
        
        Sounds like 7 plane loads of wasted money.
        
        No, it wasn’t hindsight.
        
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        April 6, 2023 3:11pm
      - zulumonster
        
        Clan – I agree regarding the ventilators … but the elderly and vulnerable were already in the Rest Homes – I didn’t think we jammed more in to try and protect them?
        
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        April 6, 2023 3:21pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        zulumonster – you are correct, I was referring to the UK in particular who took elderly out of hospitals to free up the beds for predicted mass covid infections. They were transferred to care homes.
        
        The same happened in NY. Incidentally, these were the two places that suffered horrendous numbers of deaths in care homes. This was entirely predictable.
        Vulnerable, elderly people being kept in such a facility were guaranteed to be exposed to the virus and suffer the inevitable consequences.
        
        NZ had quite a few deaths in a Christchurch care home I believe? But they were residents there, not sent there.
        It’s no consolation to the relatives, but the average age of the deaths was higher than the lifespan of the average person.
        As a doctor friend of mine told me at the start of this, when he practiced they called influenza “the old man’s friend”.
        
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        April 6, 2023 3:42pm
      - mawm
        
        Raphael – the whole point of having a “Pandemic Plan” is so that measures that have been shown to work can be employed until such time as more specific measures can be determined. Every single measure these clowns said we must employ did not work. That’s right, every single one, whilst all the measures recommended in the “pandemic plan” would have reduced the death toll.
        
        Competent Intensivists were railing against mandatory ventilation and Remdesivir treatment that their institutions were demanding. They even knew that the suddenly banned hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin works.
        
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        April 6, 2023 4:18pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I think one of them said that if the Govt won’t pay, they will. Not sure who it was.
      
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      April 6, 2023 11:41am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        It would have seemed like a philanthropic thing to do, basically rich man’s virtue signaling. Good on them for the intent, but zero points for actually researching what they were doing.
        
        I should see if I can get their contact details, I have a bridge to sell that can take cars, trucks, buses and cyclists over Auckland harbour with no congestion, no pollution and can be done for less than 5 million.
        
        I’ll sell them the plan for 1 million. 😂
        
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        April 6, 2023 12:51pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    What plan?
    
    This plan, the Ministry of Health’s New Zealand Influenza Pandemic Plan. A plan made years ago, based on a century of medical experience. A plan that in 198 pages does not contain the word “lockdown”. Also no mask mandates outside of medical care and no vaccine mandates. Just Test, Trace, Quarantine.
    
    And that plan got binned because of panic and the heady rush felt by control freaks.
    
    However, we probably shouldn’t damn Ardern too much for that, in that almost every other leader and public health official did exactly the same with their plans.
    
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    April 6, 2023 10:17am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Tom Hunter – we’ve never been able to find out why they dumped a plan that had been around for decades and that was updated as recently as 2017.
      
      It will be a great question to get an answer to in any inquiry.
      
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      April 6, 2023 11:06am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        It was dumped because Jaspinda wanted “Control” Her Control.
        I could see this maybe happening way back after that 2009 Comrades speech.
        
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        April 6, 2023 11:43am
      - Ruahine
        
        Taking advice from this guy Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus. Director General of the World Health
        Assembly. Friend of this guy Xi Jinping. President of the Peoples Republic of China. It was the Communist way.
        
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        April 6, 2023 11:46am
      - Che Guava
        
        They dumped the existing pandemic plan because it was designed to be used in actual pandemics, not in situations where a pandemic is declared purely as a pretext for radical social and economic reconfiguration. Analogously, I wouldn’t consult my car’s service manual if I was erecting kitchen shelves.
        
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        April 6, 2023 1:10pm
- Scott
  
  Quite right 7kiwi11.
  I would also add, wouldn’t it have been nice to ask us first? Maybe you should have campaigned on co governance? Like what happens in a democracy?
  
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  April 6, 2023 9:08am
- Gravelroad
  
  @7
  I am starting to think that no-governance would be preferable.
  
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  April 6, 2023 9:33am
- thirteenstars
  
  Yes, common tactic of the Left: present something as a fait accompli and you control the narrative.
  
  It’s like defining the terms of reference in a committee or a commission of enquiry. If you step outside them your input is considered invalid.
  
  TVNZ had a major programme about climate change not that long ago in which they declared the debate was over, and from that point on all their news and documentary presentation has stated *anthropogenic* climate change as a fact. They no longer have to present any other view which they would regard as akin to presenting the creationist perspective every time they mentioned evolution.
  
  Control the narrative–or the “process” in politics–and you control the outcomes.
  
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  April 6, 2023 10:19am
- hullkiwi
  
  It wasn’t the Herald, it Jacinda trying to turn the question around, instead of asking the question that needs to be asked: which is:
  
  Is it right that one ethnic group (who comprise 17% of New Zealanders) be given 50% control how NZ is managed?
  
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  April 6, 2023 1:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Winning winning winning.

https://valiantnews.com/2023/04/court-orders-stormy-daniels-to-pay-trump-another-120k-during-his-arrest/

Combined with the fees previously decided by the courts, Daniels now owes Trump well over $620,000.
Best she forgets her silly tee shirts, and gets on her back again.
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April 6, 2023 8:06am
- G152
  
  how come the fake media have missed this ?
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:20am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    G152 – a rhetorical question clearly…..
    
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    April 6, 2023 8:28am
  - CRM114
    
    G152 – Maybe you weren’t looking hard enough?
    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/04/politics/stormy-daniels-pay-trump-legal-fees/index.html
    
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    April 6, 2023 8:37am
    - Mike
      
      The snowflakes above routinely refuse to look for news from outlets like CNN, BBC, NPR, AP, Reuters, etc. These guys now believe what they have been told by blogs, social media and webshites – the ‘MSM’ are all ‘fake news’. Consequently, they avoid other media lest it upset their delicate sensibilities.
      
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      April 6, 2023 2:44pm
- Paulus
  
  Bragg, Manhattan DA wants to be next African American President so needs to get all the publicity he can.
  Like most of the USA political corruption get worse.
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:50am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not when Trump wins. Trouble is he only has 4 years to do it.
    He knows who the kingpins are. Get all the ducks in a row!
    
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    April 6, 2023 3:03pm
- mawm
  
  She’s had a really poor return on the $130 000 or so Trump paid to get her and her extortionate ways away from him.
  
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  April 6, 2023 11:59am
  - Mike
    
    I thought he was still claiming he never knew her and never paid her. Regardless, she has made plenty of money from the saga.
    
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    April 6, 2023 2:45pm
    - mawm
      
      I don’t think that is true about Trump. All he ever claimed is that he did not have sex with her.
      
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      April 6, 2023 4:21pm
      - Mike
        
        So just the spanking was true?
        
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        April 6, 2023 5:44pm
Lee C

Ardern donates clothes to Te Papa.

Because posterity will really need to know about her.

Does this narcissist have no limits?
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April 6, 2023 8:08am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Don’t worry Lee, bet this isn’t the end. [Mod – no attacks like that please]
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:11am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She is utterly pathetic, she always told businesses shafted by their lock downs yo gift it to the needy
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:16am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Lee C – no.
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:30am
- emmess
  
  You mean her coat of dead kiwis?
  How apt
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Well, on my next trip to Wellywood this is one place I won’t bother with.
  
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  April 6, 2023 9:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nek minut those clothes will be on a wax dummy.
  Visitors will be reminded how great she was.//
  
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  April 6, 2023 11:49am
  - Sacha
    
    A nice little heat gun will sort that dummy out –
    
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    April 6, 2023 10:59pm
- mawm
  
  Journalist Michael Shellenberger on Jacinda’s new role to combat on-line extremism.
  
  “There is a pattern. Those urging censorship of “misinformation” are spreading it. Those who condemn “extremism” demand extreme policies. And those who denounce “hate” are filed with loathing for their political enemies.”
  
  https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1643626703502073856
  
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  April 6, 2023 12:03pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The most extremist leaders in the free world. What an ironic role to be given.
    
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    April 6, 2023 12:56pm
    - cmm
      
      The only way to keep people free is to take away any real freedoms they might have and replace them with fake freedoms:
      * 23 different flavours of toothpaste to choose from
      * A whole isle of different sauces.
      * Pfizer in your left arm or your right arm.
      …
      
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      April 6, 2023 2:02pm
G the giant from Dunedin

Great to see Peter Dunne tear Hapless Hipkins a new one of his weak meek display over Allen’s crimes
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April 6, 2023 8:09am
- Paulus
  
  Dunne should be careful as it may come back to bite him – remember ………….
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:51am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It won’t know
    
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    April 6, 2023 10:55am
- Tricati
  
  Heard Soper on HDPA’s show last night that RNZ newsroom has a tape of the Allen tirade but won’t release it – Apparently its not that flash, yet Hipkins tells us he has read a transcript, and apart from a couple of sentences, it was just Allen supporting her partner so nothing to see here.
  As a public funded organization, RNZ should be made to release it, as it applies to a minister of the crown so surly in the public interest.
  Labour really are despicable in their regard for the public in general.
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:58am
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Yes, we have to take Chippie’s word for it that the tape wasn’t bad, two weeks after we took Chippie’s word for it that Stuart Nash had confessed all his ministerial sins.
    
    Pardon me if I remain unconvinced!
    
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    April 6, 2023 9:02am
  - Jethrod
    
    Is it true that Robbo has just released another top up for RNZ ?
    
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    April 6, 2023 10:09am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Yes, and it’s going to be annually
      
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      April 6, 2023 10:58am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It only needs the ombudsman to want to look into it snd they will be required to hand it over, Allan’s problem was she tried to dictate on race, the company sai it would be a conflict of interest so did the correct thing, but Hipkiss is the person with the experience
    
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    April 6, 2023 10:57am
Grunter

The Australian wrote a very good article on the COVID shambles and how the MSM completely failed. The original is behind a paywall but Brownstone have it on the link below.

NZ’s lame street media won’t go near any of this of course. But at least the wall of secrecy is starting to crumble.

Globally excess deaths continue to be a major issue. Including here in NZ. And it’s not COVID causing deaths. Aggressive cancers, sudden heart attacks, liver disease…….

https://brownstone.org/articles/media-to-blame-covid-vaccines-wall-of-infallibility/
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April 6, 2023 8:10am
ClanMcleod

“Opportunistic narcissist” – Transgender trailblazer accuses activist of causing more harm than good

As with the covid and “vaccine” lies, more harm than good is caused when you try and impose a completely ludicrous and fake narrative. It damages so much and turns people against the very thing you are trying to achieve.

In this case, it has exposed the people at the extreme end of their movement as irrational, violent and dangerous narcissists. It doesn’t help that community one iota.
Shaneel Lal should be stripped of the award, they make a mockery of it.

The world’s first transgender woman to receive a Queen’s Royal Honour has accused an Auckland activist of causing more harm than good.

It follows ongoing media coverage of trans issues, which emerged after Posie Parker’s arrival in New Zealand.

Former Human Rights Review Tribunal member Jacquie Grant said it was deeply concerning how Shaneel Lal has used identity politics and the harmful need for self-promotion at the expense of already marginalised communities.

It follows revelations that Lal sent multiple hateful, racist, and homophobic tweets spanning several years prior to being awarded the title of Young New Zealander of the Year on Friday.

Honoured for her remarkable contributions to the community, Grant was appointed as a Member of the New Zealand Order of Merit in 1998 and later elevated to an Officer of the New Zealand Order of Merit in 2018.

https://www.chrislynchmedia.com/news-items/mej9csdt2gpatwhxa22ojobj0pgshw
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April 6, 2023 8:11am
Maggie Pie

Here’s something I was not aware of. Transgender activist and Kiwibank New Zealander of the Year Shaneel Lal, had actually served as an ‘advisor’ to our then Minister-of-Education, Chris Hipkins!

Says it all really….

https://twitter.com/kiwimum13/status/1643540544566722560
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April 6, 2023 8:11am
- pdm
  
  Maggie – you are a Super Slueth!!
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:15am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Careful, the girls from tennis will come and get ya .
    
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    April 6, 2023 8:18am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    😎
    
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    April 6, 2023 8:19am
- Swifty
  
  Have you posted the right link Maggie Pie?
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:39am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YIP YIP absolutely!
    
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    April 6, 2023 9:03am
    - Swifty
      
      Sorry, I didn’t see any mention of Shaneel Lal in what you posted.
      
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      April 6, 2023 9:20am
  - DimChappie
    
    It is way down the thread, here is a direct link to same info:
    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/twelve-young-people-selected-youth-advisory-group
    
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    April 6, 2023 9:41am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Claims to be a diverse list but no Catholic schools represented, I note.
      
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      April 6, 2023 7:31pm
- nathie
  
  From that script:
  
  “Assigned sex is a label that you are given at birth …”
  
  “Gender is about identity and how people identify. It can include whether a person dresses, acts and feels more feminine or masculine (or somewhere in between).”
  
  The activists, MSM and leftwing politicians support the above.
  
  Now all I ask for is consistency.
  
  Because if one was to swap “gender” for “skin colour or ethnicity” in terms of how one identifies …. it is forbidden!
  
  For example one cannot say as a “white person” that they now identify” as “person of colour” (and vice-versa).
  
  But according to the activist definition above (for gender), surely for consistency one should be able to apply the same when it comes to other personal or physical attributes?
  
  Of course in reality such thinking is “disallowed” and anyone doing so will be hounded and called out.
  
  Like I said all i want is consistency, but it seems that the activists have no consistency instead they seem to have inconsistent agendas which are divisive and aggressively enforced.
  
  Why does the MSM and leftwing politicians support such bullying behavior then? Surely they should be telling the activists to cut it out!
  
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  April 6, 2023 9:09am
  - Ghost
    
    Because if one was to swap “gender” for “skin colour or ethnicity” in terms of how one identifies …. it is forbidden!
    
    Google Oli London……. But put padding around your head before you do, don’t want you to hurt yourself banging it on the wall
    
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    April 6, 2023 10:22am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Ghost – I’m not religious and definitely believe I am open minded. I have no interest in peoples’ private lives, I have always had friends of different race, religion, sexual orientation, whatever. I was brought up with the advice, treat others like you would like to be treated. But it feels as though we’re moving towards Sodom and Gomorrah days.
      
      The arrogance, entitlement and narcissism I see around me is concerning.
      
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      April 6, 2023 11:50am
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    Consistency is a colonial construct.
    
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    April 6, 2023 11:21am
sirknz

Just reading through the comments on the latest $tuff party propaganda piece on our former most loved Dear Leader and it looks like the pro Labour commenting force have had their scripts updated.

They seem to be inferring that anyone who got a mortgage when the interest rates were low in 2020-2022 are now paying the price for ‘poor personal decision making’ and ‘a lack of personal responsibility’. Such kindness for people who are looking at eye watering mortgage increases and a home for their family, we just refixed one of our splits and it has gone up ~$400 a fortnight.
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April 6, 2023 8:13am
- ClanMcleod
  
  sirknz – the Ardern legacy of “not my fault” when the shit hits the fan is carried on by Hipkins.
  
  Conveniently forgetting the fact that it was their money printing through covid and bribing whoever they needed to help maintain their lying narrative that caused this situation.
  Not to mention the failure to build new houses as promised.
  No, it’s all the fault of the poor gullible fools who actually believed in Ardern’s “kind and caring” “team of five million”
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:36am
- emmess
  
  Well, I guess most of those people are in their thirties, i.e. Jacinda voters
  Yup, keep insulting your potential supporters, that’ll work
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:39am
- Ehlana
  
  Hold on. Since when do pro-Labour people believe in personal responsibility for poor decision making?
  
  I mean, I’m delighted they’ve got there, just astounded really.
  
  Will they apply this new understanding equally to people who choose to have sex without considering whether they can afford the resulting children?
  
  Or people who choose not to pursue education, training and employment and find themselves without an income?
  
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  April 6, 2023 9:41am
  - sirknz
    
    If it deflects the fallout away from the government they will say absolutely anything. I suspect that these commenters are paid as they often have a completely lowercase name with a number on the end, and they all follow the same script.
    
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    April 6, 2023 7:47pm
G the giant from Dunedin

Less than expected tax returns, much tougher OCR, unemployment seems to have turned the corner, oh it’s going to be a pathetic month for this useless regime. Labours voter base was whacked yesterday with a double what was expected hike in OCR, Aussie has stop raising well below us, their inflation is well on the way down, and people with brains have started heading there in droves again.
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April 6, 2023 8:13am
In Vino Veritas

Dr Who is going to get a drag queen character. Vale Dr Who.
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April 6, 2023 8:13am
- kowtow
  
  Some years ago there was an article in the UK press that said the guy who conceived the show did it as a way to encourage childrens’ interest in science . But then it morphed into the BBC’s vessel to promote it’s own lefty agenda .
  
  And here you have it , in spades.
  
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  April 6, 2023 9:05am
- emmess
  
  Dr WTF
  
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  April 6, 2023 9:43am
  - sirknz
    
    Dr Mtf…
    
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    April 6, 2023 7:48pm
Bridgenag

jacinda: a kinder, gentler authoritarian boot
the tyranny fan club is an ugly place. when these people tell you who they are, believe them.

https://open.substack.com/pub/boriquagato/p/jacinda-a-kinder-gentler-authoritarian?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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April 6, 2023 8:26am
Bridgenag

and another….
Ex Pm Jacinda Ardern Appointed to an International Role to Promote Government and Media Censorship

 https://hatchardreport.com/government-and-media-censorship/
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April 6, 2023 8:26am
- Paulus
  
  And you bet we pay handsomely for her employment, and ALL expenses especially as she travels to find a job for which it appears she is having difficulty – she remains toxic so who would employ her except chippy.
  No income so she could go on Job Seeker Benefit.
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:56am
CAKE FACE1

Cindy Ardern was the worst Prime Minister in New Zealand’s history.

Her valedictory speech was a huge opportunity to apologize profusely for her failures. Her failures are too many to mention, but she could have least started.

She should have apologized for the wearing the hajib at the terrorist attack. This was insensitive, and placed her on the side of the tyrants. She should apologize for turning this tragedy into a gurning spectacle, which made it all about her. She should have apologized for setting up the ‘Disinformation Project’, which amounts to State sponsored neo-Marxist propaganda.

She should apologize for her Covid response. New Zealand’s response to Covid was the worst in the world, with the strictest lockdowns anywhere.

Our Covid response was the most economically costly per capita in the world, and has sabotaged our economy. She vandalised our economy, pure and simple. She should also apologize for her sustained abuse of the Bill of Rights. She stole our human rights, to make everything worse. She should apologize for the atrocious health outcomes from Covid. She vandalized the health system, perhaps beyond repair. The huge excess deaths we have now can be partly attributed to her failed Covid policies. Her ill-conceived Covid response actually had a huge net cost in lives.

Cindy Ardern should have apologized for all these things, and much more. She should have apologized for her failures in law and order. Crime is now out of control. She should apologize for her failures in education. The kids can’t read or write.

Instead, Cindy Ardern wore her silly outfit, gurned her fake expressions, and doubled down on her obvious failures.

Cindy Ardern’s valedictory speech was an orchestrated litany of lies. She didn’t take responsibility for any of her multitude of failures.

My only hope is that I never see Cindy Ardern ever again. Irrespectively, her legacy is set in concrete.

She was unquestionably the worst Prime Minister New Zealand has ever had.
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April 6, 2023 8:28am
- Grunter
  
  Well said Cake Face1….!
  She has unquestionably had the most divisive impact on NZ than any other individual in our short history We are now divided by race, gender orientation, and vaccination status. This country will never return back to where we were. She has destroyed our culture and sense of who we are.
  And her senseless following of extreme socialist economic ideology has set us back decades.
  
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  April 6, 2023 9:04am
- Swifty
  
  I think in discussing her legacy there are two key questions which must be asked and answered.
  
  1. Did she achieve what she undertook to achieve? (i.e. Did she achieve her policy promises?)
  
  2. Did she leave NZ a better place?
  
  My view? A resounding no to both.
  
  This talk about ancillary criteria; being an example for women, CHC, fronting Covid etc matter, but are of lower importance than the key questions.
  
  It is, of course, why Ardern fans are focussing solely on the ancillary points – they’re all they’ve got.
  
  They are an attempt at distracting us from Ardern’s colossal failures on 1. and 2.
  
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  April 6, 2023 9:17am
- Bobba Fret
  
  She is completely delusional as she even said in the John Campbell interview that she thinks she achieved her goals of child poverty and homelessness!
  
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  April 6, 2023 9:36am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Bobba Fret – she overachieved in both to a spectacular degree. Child poverty and homelessness are both through the roof.
    
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    April 6, 2023 11:57am
- artemisia
  
  Have to admire the timing though. Coronation invite, Q/K B Honours, no expensive by-election, no tiring election campaigning.
  
  Cheerleading several election candidates wasn’t working too well. That might be one of the reasons Ms Ardern ‘decided’ to pack it in.
  
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  April 6, 2023 9:58am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Sorry seems to be the hardest word.
  A word she will never say.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axcXYkiO82Q
  
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  April 6, 2023 12:05pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I think it’s a big no no in the comms world. Always deliver a world salad promoting your desired ideology instead!
    
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    April 6, 2023 8:44pm
grumpy

New Zealand still in the headlines in UK
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11942981/DAN-WOOTTON-Im-deeply-concerned-William-Kate-teaming-Jacinda-Ardern.html
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April 6, 2023 8:30am
dave_c_

DAN WOOTTON: It was a brilliant victory against uber-woke Harry and Meghan, but I’m deeply concerned about William and Kate risking their unblemished reputation by teaming up with New Zealand’s divisive failure Jacinda Ardern.

Never a truer word spoken !
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April 6, 2023 8:33am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They will be unaware that she was so crap, thanks to bought and paid for media.
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:52am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    G – yes, the comments section under the Wooton article reveals that starkly, clearly many of the Poms still think she was “amazing”. Propaganda at it’s finest.
    
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    April 6, 2023 9:27am
cas

I would encourage any of those who still have two pennies to rub together to donate to the fencepost appeal. $20 for a fencepost for farmers etc in Gizzy/ Hawkes Bay. I have purchased some. farmlands.co.nz is where you can go to donate.

A warning though it doesn’t seem to be tax deductible if that would worry prospective donors.
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April 6, 2023 8:39am
- pdm
  
  cas – at least it will get to where the help is needed unlike some of those charities which cream it off the top for `administration expenses’.
  
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  April 6, 2023 9:05am
  - cas
    
    Yes I donated to Red Cross at the start and am appalled to see how little has been distributed to date when people are crying out for help. I should have saved my money for some more fenceposts.
    
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    April 6, 2023 10:49am
Maggie Pie

I’m certainly not one to gossip, but rumor doing the rounds is that Cindy’s big job offer didn’t eventuate. Too much baggage by the sound of it.
So, it was left to Labor to arrange a couple of ‘pretend jobs’ to save face.
The big question now is….will Chippy chuck a Damehood in the mix to try and help her get over the line?

More later
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April 6, 2023 8:40am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  That will happen on the Kings birthday gongs, but but but, it all depends who the well known NZ identity is in may this year
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:54am
- Bobba Fret
  
  Dame Jacinda Ardern coming next year I reckon. Just makes me feel sick.
  
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  April 6, 2023 9:41am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    No matter who is the government, she will get either a DNZM or a ONZ, depending on which she prefers. It is standard practice that former PM’s get one or the other. I can’t imagine a Luxon led government breaking that tradition.
    Of course Labour may make the award in the Kings Birthday Honours in June.
    
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    April 6, 2023 10:36am
    - Ghost
      
      Nominations have now closed for the King’s Birthday Honours List 2023
      
      https://www.dpmc.govt.nz/our-programmes/new-zealand-royal-honours/make-nomination/new-zealand-royal-honours-nomination
      
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      April 6, 2023 10:41am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        I know from direct experience it is relatively easy to add in extra people after the normal close of nominations. In one particular case I put forward direct to the PM a person who I said may not live much longer. It was well after the close of nominations. He was one of the last WW1 veterans and was an officer in the liberation of Les Quesnoy. He helped bridge the differences between France and New Zealand, following the Rainbow Warrior attack. As much as anything by being a symbol of former unity. I knew the PM was fully aware of his background. I said it is now or never.
        And sure enough he was in the next Honours list.
        
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        April 6, 2023 1:52pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Some traditions clearly make a mockery of the word.
      
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      April 6, 2023 12:00pm
    - kowtow
      
      By the sounds of it her caucus awarded her the DCM .
      
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      April 6, 2023 1:05pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You spelt “dam” wrong.
    
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    April 6, 2023 12:08pm
  - cmm
    
    That’s Dr Dame to you!
    
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    April 6, 2023 12:51pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Wouldn’t that kind of make such honours even more farcical than they already are? I wish her well in her personal life but great PM? Um, no.
    
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    April 6, 2023 8:46pm
- Ehlana
  
  I think it is fairly routine for ex-PMs to be knighted. The question is whether a good Labour girl should accept a damehood – I think Helen Clarke declined.
  
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  April 6, 2023 9:42am
  - Flossie
    
    She’s joining up with Prince William, so is she a monarchist or a republican? Rumour says she’s off to the coronation too. Hypocrite much?
    
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    April 6, 2023 10:18am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Flossie – she’s an entitled narcissist who truly does believe she is “amazing” and is in a state of shock that so many people detest her.
      
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      April 6, 2023 12:02pm
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      I can’t see Mallard getting an ONZ. Too controversial. It will be be a knighthood as is the norm for ex Speakers.
      
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      April 6, 2023 1:39pm
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      A very good point. It rather indicates a Damehood rather than an ONZ.
      
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      April 6, 2023 1:41pm
- Jethrod
  
  On the ONZ list there is 4 vacant positions….which maybe means Mallard, Adhern and 2 other luvvies will be “recognised” on June 5th, or at the Kings coronation.
  
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  April 6, 2023 10:17am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner reckons an ONZ would mean ‘sweet-fuck’ to anybody if you’re hoping to get an upgrade to First.
    
    Give him a ‘Sir’ any day 😀
    
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    April 6, 2023 10:52am
Tony Stuart

So, RNZ has an audiotape of Kiritapu Allan’s rant at her partner Māni Dunlop’s farewell last week. But even though they’re a media organisation, it’s not considered sufficiently newsworthy to release publicly.

In the meantime, RNZ is getting an extra $25.7 million from Willie Jackson in an announcement made in the shadow of Easter weekend. That IS considered newsworthy; Jackson has just put out a media release.

Nothing to see here, right?
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April 6, 2023 8:41am
- Swifty
  
  Play the tape!
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:44am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She expected Dunlop to get it cause Maori, Hipkiss is the best person for the job FFS
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:55am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Is Hipkiss the feminine version of Hipkins?
    
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    April 6, 2023 7:42pm
- Tarquin North
  
  Can an OIA request for the recording be organised?
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:59am
- Swifty
  
  Release the tapes!
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6A6rHmSdRoY
  
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  April 6, 2023 9:28am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Willie Jackson stated that he has no concerns about how RNZ treats its Maori Staff
  
  Broadcasting Minister Willie Jackson said RNZ had been working on its Māori strategy.
  
  “I’ve obviously worked with them before I came to Parliament,” he said. “I was a broadcaster and I talked with them and I went through a process in terms of critiquing what they’re doing and I’m very comfortable with the commitment they’ve made.”
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/487380/allan-backed-by-commentators-over-maori-broadcasting-remarks
  
  So….. Is the Minister of Justice Kiri Allan contradicting the work and opinion of the Minister of Broadcasting?
  
  Looks like the Labour Cabinet needs to sort its shit out… (to paraphrase a Nayland College Schoolteacher)
  
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  April 6, 2023 9:37am
Swifty

I hope the staff at the NZ Human Rights Commission are choking on their cornflakes this morning:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11941881/EHRC-chair-backs-law-change-amid-widespread-confusion-trans-issues.html

Paul Hunt especially. I can see this all playing out in a way that results in his resignation and his offering New Zealand some profound apologies.
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April 6, 2023 8:43am
Right of way is Way of Right

Here we go again.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/man-sentenced-for-vicious-attack-on-christchurch-couple-in-their-backyard/V3KLT6QHDJAWLMJIKZSZISS7JM/?fbclid=IwAR0oO0Ja391_ac5UMVKHeYlMdyyXk1HOXe57WEOZHw4n4A_piHcUx8SNhTM

This piece of work assaulted an older couple in the back yard of their own house. A 65 year old cancer patient suffered extensive head injuries, requiring surgery. His wife was also struck. They both have long lasting effects from the attack.

The assailant, Tyson Red Gray, was not known to the couple. He was, however, known to the justice system, as he had just been released from prison following a conviction related to a burglary ring operating in Christchurch. He was also in breach of his parole conditions at the time.

His lawyer, Michaela Brus, sought an outcome of home detention for her client, submitting he had been compliant with such a sentence in the past.

(If this is an example of a compliant offender, what the hell does a non compliant offender look like?)

The Judge asked Gray how he was feeling. Did the Judge ask the victims how they were feeling? The man who was assaulted needed surgery to put plates in his skull and stabilise his eye socket. He is still confused and anxious, and fearful he may require more surgery. His wife is afraid to open the door to her house!

So, what was his sentence? 6 months and two weeks HOME DETENTION, to be served at an address in Nelson.

6 months and two weeks, and then he will be able to leave his home again. Meanwhile one of his victims is afraid to leave her house, and she does not know when her ‘sentence’ will end.

This does not look like justice to me!
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April 6, 2023 8:46am
- pdm
  
  Right of way – there may be hope.
  
  Slash/Nash is probably free now to ring his mate Coster to get this case appealed.
  
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  April 6, 2023 9:10am
- Maggie Pie
  
  And this….
  
  At Gray’ previous court appearance in Sept 2020, Dudge Tom Gilbert acknowledged Gray’s positive pre-sentence report, his genuine remorse for his crimes, supportive parents, and a letter showing insight of the offending he had committed.
  
  The dudge remarked……”If you keep up the good work, you should be an ideal candidate for early release”
  
  – Stuff 3/9/20
  
  Yes siree bob!
  
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  April 6, 2023 9:24am
mandk

I couldn’t bear to listen to the Ardern valedictory speech, but the extracts I have heard have been truly nauseating.

I have added ‘Vain’ to the adjectives that come to mind when she is mentioned.
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April 6, 2023 8:47am
Rusty

Ms Ardern in her goodbye speech urged MPs to take the politics out of child poverty and climate change.

What on earth does that mean?

This lady built an undemocratic political ideology around these issues and many more without consulting the people of this country whether they agreed or not.

Ardern was the worst PM we ever had. The UN can have her.
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April 6, 2023 8:50am
- pdm
  
  Did I hear Ardern say in conclusion.
  
  `anyone can be like her’
  
  Not me thanks – I prefer to be open and transparent.
  
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  April 6, 2023 9:12am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Its all about her new gig… being a trustee for the “Earthshot Prize”
  
  https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/earthshot-prize-everything-to-know/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwuLShBhC_ARIsAFod4fIKUFwpmSDUpf64ewOtPIYC22y3THeo-gg4z1A9EvgcAEM8z4xqcqMaAsgoEALw_wcB
  
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  April 6, 2023 9:41am
  - emmess
    
    Well, the Earth will be shot with her in charge
    
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    April 6, 2023 9:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Permanent walking disaster.
    
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    April 6, 2023 12:16pm
- septic skeptic
  
  “Take the politics out of…” What it means is:
  National/ACT please get on board with and continue with Labour policy during your next term. Now we are finishing our term, we would like the next government to be more collaborative and respectful of parliament, the laws and the constitution than we had to be while I was in office.
  
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  April 6, 2023 10:12am
  - Swifty
    
    Exactly.
    
    It’s an effort to try to make National look like baddies if they don’t continue with Labour policy.
    
    The Labour policy which is not working.
    
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    April 6, 2023 10:25am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Rusty – did you pick up on this gem of bullshit in her speech?
  
  On one hand she points out how there is no way of knowing the number of “amazing” outcomes from her “aspirational” policies.
  
  “There will be no list of the lives saved because of the banning of military-style semi-automatic weapons.
  
  But apparently she knows without doubt that she saved lives!
  
  This was especially true of Covid, where Ardern urged people to remember the lives saved because of the response, rather than the pain and division with which it ended.
  
  Oh, and apparently it’s all over, because she said so in the last line of that paragraph.
  
  No it’s not, there are still people mandated out of their jobs, they are still pushing this dangerous product, and any lives saved were vastly outnumbered by the lives lost and the economic and societal destruction she caused.
  
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  April 6, 2023 12:13pm
  - Rusty
    
    @ Clan McLeod, I heard that from her. Jacinda has a selective memory.
    
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    April 6, 2023 2:28pm
Maggie Pie

And thort this was a very good question 😀

“What in the HELL is…..

‘Miscellaneous’ $17, 873, 346. 09 and where did it go?

https://twitter.com/AnneCla70780917/status/1643394134986850307
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April 6, 2023 9:00am
- mandk
  
  I’ve got the $0.09 part.
  
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  April 6, 2023 9:02am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Hahaha..
  
  Someone forgot to identify whose pockets were being filled.
  
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  April 6, 2023 11:02am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    There must be lots of “10% for the big guy’ people trousering all they can.
    
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    April 6, 2023 12:23pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      …and don’t forget ‘the big GAL’ either 😀
      
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      April 6, 2023 1:12pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        But of course!
        JB.
        
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        April 6, 2023 3:05pm
rangitoto

Sean Plunket’s twitter account has been reinstated.
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April 6, 2023 9:20am
- MCōs
  
  Woop dee do
  
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  April 6, 2023 10:17am
Tricati

So, Megan Woods is the minister, or associate minister for Housing, Finance, Infrastructure, Energy, Construction, Economic Development and Forestry.
If you look at the portfolios there’s not one that’s in a good place; so is she putting enough focus on the roles, doesn’t understand the portfolios to provide direction, jack of all trades but master of none or is she just a post holder until parliament ends for the election, as there’s no one else capable of holding the ministerial warrants.
This is just laughable, but indicates how seriously Labour takes ministerial responsibilities – also indicated by their disregard for the Cabinet Manual.
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April 6, 2023 9:22am
- septic skeptic
  
  It has been obvious for more than a decade that Labour have absolutely nobody who could excel at being a Minister and very very few that are even adequate. When you spread adequate too thinly you get incompetence in those roles as well. For clarification, I’m not saying Woods is up to an adequate ranking.
  
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  April 6, 2023 10:21am
- Piniwi
  
  Come on Tricati we all know things are different when the left do it. Rising to the exalted roll of Minister means a greater income along with a lot of perks. As already illustrated very few can carry out the responsibilities of the roll and soon get shuffled on after too long in witless protection.
  
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  April 6, 2023 3:56pm
Nickc2

So Ardern wants politics taken out of Climate Change?
Let’s face it, if we do that, there’d be no Climate Change eh? Climate Change is a Govt driven rort FFS!
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April 6, 2023 9:26am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  So Jacinda does idiotic things like EV subsidies and wants the opposition to go along with all their daft ideas?
  
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  April 6, 2023 10:51am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Nick2 – I’m guessing next she’ll suggest we follow the science™…..
  
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  April 6, 2023 12:16pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Who is this ‘Ardern’ person you speak of Kemosabe?
  
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  April 6, 2023 12:27pm
- kowtow
  
  Well why not , the science has been taken out of it long time ago.
  
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  April 6, 2023 1:08pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Take the politics out of the great Climate Change grift, and it’s goneburger.
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:49pm
ClanMcleod

Bridgenag posted a link earlier, but if you haven’t went to check it out you should do so.

As usual, el gato malo does a wonderful and accurate analysis of Ardern’s horrific reign in NZ.

In response to a tweet by a dribbling Ardern sycophant who for some strange reason, turned off comments……

jacinda was a dishonest, hectoring, and vicious fascist who loved nothing better than vilifying and putting the boot to those who failed to obey.

i’d be very careful around anyone trying to pass her off as some new breed of high empathy high inclusivity leader.

that’s some seriously acute kool-aid poisoning and those drunk on oppressing others are not people you want to be around.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/jacinda-a-kinder-gentler-authoritarian
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April 6, 2023 9:39am
- Sacha
  
  maunchausen-by-proxy – the ex-prime minister’s abuse of New Zealanders fits the diagnosis very well.
  
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  April 6, 2023 11:01am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Here is a laugh for you.
https://youtu.be/eUL56vrK75I
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April 6, 2023 9:41am
- mawm
  
  Can you imagine that scene if it had been an eBike!!!
  
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  April 6, 2023 12:19pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I don’t like them. Today’s ones are very powerful.
    Had a cousin who would just grab it and say “yeah it’s going”
    
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    April 6, 2023 12:29pm
    - mawm
      
      I was thinking more of fires and explosions. I can’t stand them either – their riders are inconsiderate and unaware of any “code” of road or path usage.
      
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      April 6, 2023 4:28pm
Maggie Pie

OK, I’m not an Accountant (in fact the one we’ve got gives me a rash).
So what I don’t understand, is all this farting about by Adrian Orr with raising the OCR by quarter-of-a-point here, and half-a-pint there…..in the forlorn hope of bringing down our inflation rate.

Why wouldn’t you just raise it by say 5bp at the very beginning, and wipe it out overnight?
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April 6, 2023 9:55am
Maggy Wassilieff

Seems the Tomato-Juice thrower has a few identities..

Eli Rubashkyn, who has been charged as Eliana Galberstein,

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300848339/woman-pleads-not-guilty-to-assault-after-throwing-juice-on-posie-parker

However, I have also seen her name spelt as E. Golberstein…. working as a Chemist for a company manufacturing e-liquids and vaping products.

https://www.qeios.com/read/A0N3D8.5
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April 6, 2023 9:55am
- MCōs
  
  Right up there with Posie Parker, you might say.
  
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  April 6, 2023 10:15am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Any relation to Walter White? Asking for a friend….
  
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  April 6, 2023 12:21pm
Maggie's partner

What makes Kiri Allen unfit to be a Minister is not that she threw hers toys out of the pram, it’s that she instantly defaulted to playing the race card when she didn’t get what she wanted.
This revelation of her true colours is not surprising, but it is damning.
As with Marama Davidson last week, it shows what she really thinks.
We can expect much more of this, and bit by bit it will contribute to the disintegration of NZ.
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April 6, 2023 9:55am
- Blog-aholic
  
  I have long suspected she was exactly like this. It is not a surprise in any way.
  
  Any person who uses race in an arguement is a racist.
  
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  April 6, 2023 10:10am
- Swifty
  
  “When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment feels like discrimination.”
  
  Thomas Sowell
  
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  April 6, 2023 10:21am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Sowell is a genius.
    
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    April 6, 2023 8:52pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-express/news/300848380/truck-crash-closes-sh1-marlborough-causing-significant-delays
and
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/300848292/truck-crash-north-of-murchison-partly-blocks-highway

I am not surprised. I have recently returned from a South Island road trip , and three things stood out while driving: the huge number of white Corolla hatchbacks on the roads, the huge number of roadworks on SH1 between Picton and Dunedin and the presence of hundreds of speeding truck-and-trailer units.
Truckies seem to have their own set of rules when it comes to speed, tailgating and passing.
In my opinion they are not always the road heroes they make out to be.
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April 6, 2023 10:02am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Greybeard, let us know how you got on with the Picton-Wellington leg of your journey.
  
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  April 6, 2023 10:10am
  - greybeard
    
    You mean the ferry ? No problems on Bluebridge except the 7:15pm sailing was delayed about an hour so that about 20 truck & trailer units which arrived late could board first.
    Must have been some sort of holdup on SH1 somewhere.
    And I forgot to mention that well as white Corollas everywhere ( rentals I suppose ) there were hundreds of bright green “Jucy” campervans all over the show. Young overseas tourists ?
    
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    April 6, 2023 1:35pm
- Ghost
  
  As someone that lives down here, hardly ever notice any speeding trucks, it’s usually people with the magical sticker on the back window “child on board” or tourists who get on the Christchurch to Timaru road and don’t realise how fast they are going.
  
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  April 6, 2023 10:14am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    I do a lot of driving in the South Island. I don’t recall seeing any trucks speeding.
    
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    April 6, 2023 10:49am
- Blog-aholic
  
  The roadworks north and south of Christchurch sends a clear message that after 5 years of no maintenance it is an election year.
  
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  April 6, 2023 10:15am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  90 kph is their limit, but who does it?
  If you hear a message on the radio unit saying “get your picture taken at….” it is a place to slow down.
  Silly rule anyway. Truck/Trailer units today are very safe on the road compared to 30 years ago. It is time that rule was changed to 100 kph for everyone.
  Not going to work with all those road cones and 60 to 80 restrictions.
  Class 5 here.
  
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  April 6, 2023 12:39pm
Surely Knott

The PM says you can self determine your “gender identity” and the modern narrative is that Transgender means you don’t identify with the Gender you were assigned at birth.

But NZ birth certificates don’t ask for a babies gender and you are not “assigned a gender at birth.”

The NZ birth certificate says Question 2. SEX: Female or Male.

And the new Birth Deaths and Marriages bill allows you to change your birth certificate to you “nominated SEX”.

https://www.govt.nz/assets/Documents/Family-and-whanau/Notification-of-birth-for-registration-of-child-born-in-NZ-BDM27.pdf

They have not added an extra line for gender on the birth certificate that is separate to sex. They are erasing Sex and it’s meaning of Biological reality and allowing you to answer with your Gender ID.

So C.Hipkins saying you can determine your Gender identity doesn’t tell the full story. They are fully replacing your birth sex on your birth certificate with your “Gender ID” if you want.
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April 6, 2023 10:09am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  Parents are now holding “gender reveal parties” for young children who change their gender. 😭
  
  https://www.kidspot.com.au/news/we-threw-a-gender-reveal-party-for-our-eightyearold-trans-daughter/news-story/caf657f2eb808c2bec6010f6fb9b6a02
  
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  April 6, 2023 10:47am
- MCōs
  
  Thailand is socially conservative, but one thing that causes few ripples among the locals is men changing gender.
  It’s more an issue for visitors.
  https://aseannow.com/topic/1291224-ladyboys-the-highlight-as-the-army-draft-is-spiced-up-in-thailands-northeast/
  
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  April 6, 2023 11:02am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Well before I met him, my partner spent a number of months in Bangkok helping establish a luxury MV franchise.
    These days, whenvever he hears someone making a joke about Thai lady-boys, he says…. ‘don’t knock it till you try it’
    
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    April 6, 2023 12:01pm
    - mogg
      
      Don’t try it you might like it.
      
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      April 6, 2023 1:42pm
    - Maggie's partner
      
      I always made them wear a Maggie mask, darling
      
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      April 6, 2023 3:56pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        LIAR! You asked me it take it OFF the other night 😛
        
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        April 6, 2023 5:56pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    I believe that about 10% of the male population identify as Lady Boys.
    
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    April 6, 2023 12:21pm
    - MCōs
      
      Who told you that?
      
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      April 6, 2023 12:49pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    You just nailed the operative word – men. Do what the fuck you want. But leave children alone, especially prepubescent children. They have enough on their plates without promoting this stupidity.
    
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    April 6, 2023 12:28pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yep, there should be another line where you write “Not right now thanks”
  
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  April 6, 2023 12:43pm
oldfella

Notice how quiet things have gone on co-governance. Isn’t Chipkins due to make a statement sometime soon?
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April 6, 2023 10:16am
- Tricati
  
  I believe the word has gone out to Labour MP’s to not raise the subject in attempt people will forget about it. Sending Mahuta off-shore for months is also part of the ‘cloak of Silence’ strategy.
  Attempting to shut down Julian Batchelor’s public meetings on co-governance seems to well orchestrated for random activists, so suspect there is some governmental hanky-panky in the background.
  
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  April 6, 2023 12:35pm
Gravelroad

10am news tells us that Broadcasting Minister W. Jackson has announced extra funding subsidy for Radio NZ.
This may account for the reluctance to release the transcript of what Minister Allen had to say about unfair treatment of her girlfriend.
Suggest people have a look at what this extra electioneering money is to be spent on.
You wont be surprised.
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April 6, 2023 10:26am
Widogast Corwin

Just had my annual flu vaccination. Pharmacist told me that next year he expects there will be a combined flu and Covid vaccine in one shot. It is being trialed in a group in Wellington now.

I remarked that such a change might put off many people who only want the flu vaccine rather than both.

He just stared blankly at me. 😂
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April 6, 2023 10:41am
- Blog-aholic
  
  I have the flu jab yearly since I had a terrible flue 20+ years ago but I categorically will not have one with anything else in it….just influenza vaccine thanks.
  
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  April 6, 2023 10:54am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    Me too. 2001 winter. I’ll never forget how bad I felt. I was off work for a good two weeks. Took a couple of months to come right. I’m still more worried about influenza than COVID.
    
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    April 6, 2023 12:33pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Aren’t they basically guessing which will be the dominant strain of flu in any given year, hence the fact you only have a 25% chance of being protected? I won’t be getting one, a direct result of being lied to for a couple of years.
      
      I’m going to focus on keeping up with vitamin C, D and zinc. Also doing betadine based nasal flush once a week. They have been amazing for other issues too. But mainly, by cleaning the upper airways thoroughly it means less chance of any virus making its way into the lungs which is where the problems lie.
      I had a shockingly bad flu in late 2019, I had just stopped off in Hong Kong on the way back to NZ. I haven’t had anything since even though there has been plenty around the community in the last couple of years, so guessing the immune system is doing the job it evolved for……
      
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      April 6, 2023 1:22pm
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        The studies I have looked at over the years show it is about 50 percent effective.
        
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        April 6, 2023 1:37pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Widogast – the studies show 50%, possibly, but I’m sure you understand why I’ve developed a deep distrust of studies and information, certainly if it originates from this government or health services.
        
        Even if I could confirm 50% possibility of protection, I think I will trust my immune system and do the right things re diet, exercise and supplements.
        
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        April 6, 2023 4:16pm
      - rouppe
        
        I think it’s based off what was the dominant strains the last northern winter
        
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        April 6, 2023 4:30pm
      - rouppe
        
        I took this one, that quad-something. Four strains.
        
        I specifically asked: does this have any covid booster in it? And was told no.
        
        I’d been in two minds. But I’m in the capital and Coast DHB. The statistics coming out of there are truly horrifying. I’d rather stay out of one of our hospitals right now.
        
        I will flat out refuse any covid boosters, however
        
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        April 6, 2023 4:34pm
      - mawm
        
        Widogast – The flu vaccine effectiveness for the 21-22 flu season was shown to be just 16% in a mix of adults and kids.
        https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/comment/us-flu-vaccine-efficacy/
        
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        April 6, 2023 4:42pm
- MCōs
  
  “He just stared blankly at me.”
  What else did you say?
  
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  April 6, 2023 11:04am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    What else would you say?
    WC made a very reasonable and patently correct statement, and the onus was on the Pharmacist to respond.
    
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    April 6, 2023 12:27pm
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    Nothing. I left.
    
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    April 6, 2023 12:33pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Widogast Corwin – you might find this article re the PCR testing issue interesting.
      
      Progress is being made in some areas thanks to the pandemic. Yes – you read it correctly
      
      Please mark this because it is the real breakthrough of the pandemic. PCR, far from being a shot in the dark, can accurately predict (if properly done) who matters in an epidemic and who does not, seen with a public health scope.
      
      Who matters. That is the key.
      
      This article explains in detail how in the way they were done, the PCR tests were utterly useless, but they are finding that with certain controls, they could actually be beneficial.
      
      Subjects who harbour fragments of the virus which cannot replicate are not capable of passing the disease. Those who have low Cts can, and if they are immunosuppressed, they can do so for weeks. So the former is not a public health problem; the latter is.
      
      Of course, this really only applies in a genuinely deadly pandemic. The current version of covid is no different to a cold and the idea of blindly destroying society for such an event is madness on acid.
      
      It’s an interesting read and talks about “harmonising” testing. This enables accuracy and means that only those who are able to spread the disease can be identified and then isolate accordingly. The rest can get on with their lives.
      
      The authors finish with these comments:
      
      If anyone wants to do a PCR on you, ask them first if it’s been harmonised and what the positivity threshold is. If they start talking about the weather, run a mile.
      
      That’s the blank look you were referring to at your chemist when getting your flu vaccine. That’s the problem, these people are paid to do this shit, it is no longer about your overall health and wellbeing. They will sell whatever shit they are asked to and can make money from.
      
      Then there is this comment re the Ct. (cycle threshold).
      
      If you go to a country where the state-determined Ct for positivity is centrally fixed to a monumental 40 or 45 (they do exist), catch the next flight home and do not cough, sneeze or open your mouth. In fact, stop breathing if you can. You may end up like the Florence 3 – incarcerated for weeks on end.
      
      NZ runs the PCR Ct at 45. That’s all you need to know. All of the numbers we were given during this whole circus were totally and utterly meaningless.
      
      The author concludes:
      
      If the WHO were doing what it should be doing, it would run a global testing harmonisation programme so that a CT of 25 in Lapland is broadly comparable to one in Malaysia in the same type of patient with the same clinical medicine background. In fact, it would seek reproducibility across the globe from accredited laboratories.
      
      Now that is science in action and something that people can trust, not the fear porn we were bombarded with.
      
      https://trusttheevidence.substack.com/p/progress-is-being-made-in-some-areas
      
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      April 6, 2023 2:28pm
MCōs

A couple of weeks ago Mr Rupert Murdoch (92) and Ms Ann Smith (66) became engaged.
If that wasn’t unusual enough two weeks later it’s all off.
The old codger has had four successful previous marriages, one of which lasted more than thirty years.
To be honest he’s not the best looking chap anymore. His face could do with an iron.
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April 6, 2023 10:53am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Money is the best form of plastic surgery.
  
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  April 6, 2023 11:01am
- virtualmark
  
  The ideal man … very old, very rich, very sick.
  
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  April 6, 2023 12:19pm
- NothingLeft
  
  No such thing as an ugly billionaire
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:08pm
kujira

So this week the High school my children attend has advised – late on Monday afternoon (too late to organize anything for the Y9’s on Tues) that they are unable to provide enough teachers to teach everyone and each year will be rostered off 1 day per week.
Teacher shortage is due to …. teachers being in Vietnam, Mt Cook, Tramping and something else…. oh and the deadly covid sniffles, and apparently the collective agreement means that they cannot teach another class.
Bastrds the lot of them… if you criticise them you are sexist or racist or some sort of ist and yet they cannot even provide the service they are meant to.
And any press or news about schools being unable to teach???? Hell no thats what 50mil buys you – silence from a complicit media.
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April 6, 2023 10:56am
- Ghost
  
  I read this one yesterday Stuff
  
  When I was in standard 4 our teacher was off sick for a week, took a few days to get a teacher in so for those days we merged with the other standard 4 class, just under 80 students in the one class. Teachers wouldn’t do that today.
  
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  April 6, 2023 11:04am
  - rouppe
    
    When I was in form 3 we had no physics teacher for a whole term.
    
    We sat in the room, read a chapter of the text book and did the practice questions at the back of the text book.
    
    All it takes is application
    
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    April 6, 2023 4:28pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

A mountain is a person.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/more-co-governance-madness-mt-taranaki-now-classified-as-a-person-no-i-am-not-kidding-2/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNdONuC-14k

Tauranga Mayor Blair Graham seems to be doing the same as Auckland Council’s Claudia Wyss. The trick is more security guards, and they have to be paid for:
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Security-guard-quote-Tauranga-event.pdf

Blair Graham being difficult. Feel free to phone or email him.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Blair-Graham-security-concerns.pdf

What Blair Graham clearly does not realise (yet) is that our events are private events, not public events, and the police will be in attendance. He is reading old news about our events.
Why are these people making things difficult? What are they afraid of?

Iwi Screw Up Massive Film Project Opportunity. Yes, it is in there to read about.
Protestors are now having videos remover from YouTube. Breach of copywrite they say. One of the videos is Maori children being used. Gone.

There is a lot going on.
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April 6, 2023 11:08am
Ghost

Sigh

With their sequins, bell bottoms and vertiginous platform boots, Abba were the epitome of 1970s cool.

But fans wanting to get into the spirit of the era have been banned from wearing so-called disco wigs as they are ‘culturally insensitive’, The Mail on Sunday has learned.

Article

I wonder when they will cancel Culture Club’s Video
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April 6, 2023 11:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Shocking when you think about it. I had it all.
  Bellbottoms, platform shoes, bright shirts with large collars, and paisley ties.
  Then to confuse things, hair half way down my back, and a leather headband!
  What a show!
  
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  April 6, 2023 12:51pm
I remember when

NZ Farmers Weekly: Plantain mix a recipe for N reduction:
No reported reduction in milk production.
Massey University established their trial in 2019.
When they are eating Plantain there’s a great allocation of nitrogen to dung versus urine than when they’re in a ryegrass pasture.
In addition, plantain increases the volume of urine, diluting it and also spreading it across the paddock. (prof Peter Kemp).
Pasture contained 24% plantain.
Also found to decrease GHG emissions of nitrous oxide.
Research programme incudes more than 20 partner farms, where plantain is being introduced and leaching measured.
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April 6, 2023 11:48am
MCōs

A young English gentleman thought he was trapped inside a 7-Eleven so he attempted to break the glass by throwing objects at it
The door wasn’t locked, however and he slid it open and walked out.
https://vt.tiktok.com/ZS8GrxtxP/
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April 6, 2023 11:49am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The future of the World. Bet that door was an auto but the power was off.
  What a thicko.
  
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  April 6, 2023 12:55pm
- Ghost
  
  Arrested, police believe he was drunk
  
  https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/crime/british-tourist-smashes-up-bangkok-7-eleven-video
  
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  April 6, 2023 1:00pm
Maggie Pie

*REWARD OFFERED*

https://twitter.com/LeoMolloyNZ/status/1643750759723573255

(I any of the fam on KB can identify this reprobate which leads to his arrest & conviction…..I will personally add an extra $100 to the bounty.)
MP
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April 6, 2023 12:24pm
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  I am surprised someone hasn’t found him via Social Media, as of course someone turning up to identity-politics protest like this will have an online presence.
  I expect by now he has deleted a bunch of accounts – but he is clearly shown and people will know him.
  
  It is puzzling why police are not doing their job, and they and the media are interested in tomato soup spillage and not serious injury inflicted on vulnerable people.
  
  I dear say the scum will have shaved his wispy beard and now wears a hat and sunglasses when outdoors. Some folk want to get their hands on him in more ways than one, and I can relate.
  
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  April 6, 2023 12:36pm
  - rouppe
    
    What makes you think they’re not doing their job? They knew the identity of what’s-their – face and so issued the charge.
    
    If the police are still trying to identify this other bloke then they can’t charge him…
    
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    April 6, 2023 4:24pm
Maggie Pie

My partner was just saying Auckland’s ‘Scarbro Construction’ going in to liquidation is a real biggie!
Yet another victim of Labor’s financial mismanagement during the last 5 years.

Huge number of jobs lost… and God knows how many suppliers & poor subbies will be affected 🙁
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April 6, 2023 12:48pm
- artemisia
  
  Since Scarbro is building social housing for Kainga Ora, what’s the betting the government will stump up taxpayer money to get the developments finished. Yes, probably added to already massive KO borrowing but taxpayers are on the hook one way or another. (Or in the case of social housing more than one way ….)
  
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  April 6, 2023 1:20pm
thirteenstars

There were a few comments here the other day about the Canadian powerlifter who self-identified as a woman to mock the irrational rules that allow such self-id, in the process breaking the previous “women’s” record by 100lbs, and with ease.

Here’s a nice breakdown of the whole thing, revealing the insanity of the asylum in which we all now live:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7dyJfUxgOw

The solution is to leave sports bodies alone to define their own rules and suffer the consequences, which would include the formation of rival sports bodies. For sports bodies trying to find a solution I would think having a men’s, women’s and an open category would work.
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April 6, 2023 12:55pm
- rouppe
  
  Am open category would be “unfair” because it would at least mostly if not always be won by men because (thinking just about powerlifting here):
  1. The top men are stronger than the top women
  2. The men who identify as trans women were usually unsuccessful in their sport as men and so, refer to item 1.
  
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  April 6, 2023 1:25pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    Perhaps you don’t get the point of the open category. I’ll admit, neither did I which is why I originally thought three categories were required.
    
    Men can’t compete against women, neither can trans women who are weaker men. The women’s category can only be open to women or it’s most certainly unfair.
    
    The open category is not unfair since it is voluntary to enter. If you’re a woman or a trans woman and you think you can qualify to play against men, have at it. In some sports where physical prowess is less important I can see the occasional woman qualifying and considerably more trans women.
    
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    April 6, 2023 3:32pm
    - rouppe
      
      Perhaps you didn’t see the quotation marks around “unfair”.
      
      I basically agreed with your own reply at 1:59pm only half an hour earlier
      
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      April 6, 2023 4:39pm
- thirteenstars
  
  In reply to myself, I got my own solution wrong, and realised it after watching another video.
  
  There are only two categories required: an open category, and a women’s category. Guess who competes in the open category: men, women, trans, anyone. The women’s category is protected. Men don’t need protection from women, or from trans women because trans women are weaker men after hormone therapy. So if a woman or a trans woman wants to try to qualify for the open category, all power to them.
  
  Clearly shown with the PGA/LPGA example in this video at about 1:20, but watch the intro for context:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXs0HvGmeGQ
  
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  April 6, 2023 1:59pm
  - mandk
    
    “Men don’t need protection from women, or from trans women because trans women are weaker men after hormone therapy.”
    
    Add to that the fact that, overwhelmingly, transwomen sportspersons were mediocre in the men’s category before they transitioned.
    
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    April 6, 2023 3:00pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    3 classes. Woman’s Class. Men’s Class. Then 2 Trans Classes.
    I don’t see the problem. With 2 Trans Classes you get the Men who trans to Women, and the Women who trans to Men.
    Strange that this shit did not happen in the 60s.
    
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    April 6, 2023 3:58pm
- All_on_Red
  
  As predicted by Southpark 3 years ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxDaiyREBPw
  Strong Woman Contest
  
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  April 6, 2023 2:51pm
Swifty

The parties of god at each other’s throats again:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/300848688/worshippers-barricade-themselves-inside-mosque-amid-holy-month-violence-in-jerusalem
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April 6, 2023 1:24pm
Maggie Pie

AUCKLAND RIGHT NOW

Absolute lunacy….what you get after 5 years with a Labor/Greens gubmint 🙁

https://twitter.com/WakaKotahiAkNth/status/1643772050832601088
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April 6, 2023 1:29pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Its a way to Zero.
  
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  April 6, 2023 2:00pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    They’ve got one lollipop-man with a ‘STOP/GO’ sign standing in the middle of the road at Puhoi. LOL!!
    
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    April 6, 2023 3:00pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It’s all about traffic flow. Next is the 1953 one lane bridge at Warkworth.
      Then after that, Wellsford. Then you are free! Except the roads are shit with bandaid patches, potholes, and speed restrictions.
      If I was a Tourist, I would give NZ a pass, just forget it.
      What say you, Waka Coathanger?
      
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      April 6, 2023 4:14pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        The whole country is an embarrassment now SteveO.
        They had to call the police earlier in the week to control the queue waiting to board the Waiheke ferry.
        Tourists and locals were standing there for over 2 hours due to mechanical breakdowns. The cops were reduced to handing out water to people.
        
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        April 6, 2023 4:26pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  It’s all about frustrating people out of their vehicles. Nobody could be this incompetent surely……
  
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  April 6, 2023 3:29pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And to think Christ died on the Cross for sh*t like this….
    
    https://twitter.com/FlyingLow666/status/1643778745302659072
    
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    April 6, 2023 3:51pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Holidays in the Soviet Union of New Zealand.
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:59pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear..

The Greens are imploding…

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/04/green-mp-elizabeth-kerekere-calls-chl-e-swarbrick-a-crybaby-in-group-chat.html
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April 6, 2023 1:45pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  [Mod – use his name] standing in Ardern’s old electorate of Mt Albert 😎
  
  https://twitter.com/RMarchNZ/status/1642981088338546693
  
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  December 6, 2022 2:11pm
  - Mike
    
    A wetback? I wasn’t aware inanimate object could become parliamentary candidates. Are any other plumbing devices eligible for public office.
    
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    April 6, 2023 3:00pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Damn, I thought somebody had put forward an old school log fire and water heater.
    
    We’ve got one, I was going to put it up as a candidate in Auckland Central and maybe form a coalition…..
    
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    April 6, 2023 3:24pm
    - Inandout
      
      CM, we once had a Kent wetback chippie that was a little beauty.
      
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      April 6, 2023 3:30pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        In Hamilton (don’t tell anyone I grew up there) Had a coal burning thing near the kitchen, with a wetback.
        nugget grade coal, self-feeding to the grate burner.
        BOSCA was the brand. Burns Own Smoke Clean Air.
        
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        April 6, 2023 4:23pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Did you like that? coal – ition? bwahaha!
      
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      April 6, 2023 3:45pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        YIP!! got it first time 😀 😀 😀
        
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        April 6, 2023 3:53pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Maggie – I didn’t, only noticed when I went back to check the spelling. lol
        
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        April 6, 2023 4:24pm
  - Taieri
    
    Candidates standing in an electorate should not be able to also be on the party list.
    
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    April 6, 2023 4:09pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Why not? Jaspinda did.
      https://www.labour.org.nz/2020-list
      
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      April 6, 2023 4:26pm
- hullkiwi
  
  You beat me to it.
  
  Nice to read that all is hazy, sweetness, happiness, and light in the Green Garden of environmental delights!
  
  And it couldn’t happen between a better pairing!
  
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  April 6, 2023 1:56pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Oh, never fear, there will be a group hug, a rousing rendition of Kumbaya, a few rounds of organic beet juice, and everyone will go back to the business at hand: destroying capitalism and Western culture.
  
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  April 6, 2023 2:10pm
- graham
  
  Oh dear … how sad … no really, how sad …
  
  (Must … not … laugh … out … loud)
  
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  April 6, 2023 2:15pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  It’ll be the Irish coming out?
  
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  April 6, 2023 2:46pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, why is the chamber empty of overpaid MPs?
  
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  April 6, 2023 3:17pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Coz most MPs had buggered off to Jacinda’s piss-up
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/04/michael-wood-denies-being-hungover-after-jacinda-ardern-s-leaving-party.html
    
    or were sitting in their office sending bitchy tweets to their mates.
    
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    April 6, 2023 8:11pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Yesterday a couple of ex MPs opined about how opposition MPs would be gracious with their farewells to Jacinda Ardern from Parliament.

What does it say about Ardern’s character that she couldn’t thank the Man who served as her Deputy PM for 3 years…and stood in for her for months when she was on Baby leave?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131710996/the-name-that-jacinda-ardern-chose-not-to-utter-in-her-final-speech
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April 6, 2023 2:12pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Yet I often say “thanks Winston for inflicting this (insert appropriate term) on us!
  
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  April 6, 2023 4:29pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Maybe Winston First has just had a gutsful like the rest of us?
  
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  April 6, 2023 4:30pm
graham

Damn … when even Patrick Gower:
– describes the current Government as being “… really shambolic when it comes to the basics”
– says it “wasn’t as competent as the previous National administration”
– and further states that Jacinda Ardern “… wasn’t good at managing her Government”

you have to say the stardust has well and truly vanished.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/04/sir-john-key-s-national-government-ran-a-lot-more-competently-than-jacinda-ardern-s-labour-patrick-gower.html
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April 6, 2023 2:21pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Looks like he’s a slow learner….bit late in the day to be reporting on stuff that was blindingly obvious 5 years ago.
  
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  April 6, 2023 3:05pm
Maggie Pie

Our absolute fave Malaysian eatery is right on K’Rd.

We always book for 5:30 and out of there by 7….where it’s located is not the sort of area any self-respecting whitey would want to be caught wandering around late at nite 🙁

https://twitter.com/PureBloodKiwi/status/1643761307106279432
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April 6, 2023 3:09pm
- Che Guava
  
  Given how short the skirt is, it should be quite easy to determine whether or not the individual merely “self-identifies” as a woman, or if subjective belief isn’t a factor.
  
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  April 6, 2023 3:32pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Actually, thort of you before Che when this popped up…. 😀
    
    https://twitter.com/LibertyCappy/status/1643408668807819264
    
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    April 6, 2023 4:36pm
    - Che Guava
      
      Indeed. They obviously had their ideological blind spots, but the old school commies were actually fairly based compared to today’s Che T-shirt-wearing powder puffs.
      
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      April 6, 2023 7:06pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Stormy Daniels was in K’Rd?
  Nobody told me.
  
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  April 6, 2023 4:34pm
  - MCōs
    
    Too expensive for you
    
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    April 6, 2023 5:38pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I would not touch hat with your 40 foot bargepole 🙂
      
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      April 6, 2023 6:49pm
NothingLeft

Twitter has started adding “US state-affiliated media” to NPR (a media organisation funded by taxpayers) in the USA

Be great if they did that to RNZ, Stuff and other state sponsored media in NZ.
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April 6, 2023 3:40pm
ClanMcleod

As predicted, Hipkins hilarious inability to answer a basic question has hit the viral big time. Plunkett is quite excited that the excellent JP Sears has used his wonderful polytrap™. He has well over 300,000 Twitter followers and is on a number of other platforms.

https://twitter.com/AwakenWithJP/status/1643665281837826065?s=20

And as predicted, Jimmy Dore does his usual outstanding job on it. He loves the NZ accent!!
Almost 1.2 million Youtube subscribers.

Way to go Chippie! Making NZ great again!

https://youtu.be/iHe5A6tM9E0
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April 6, 2023 3:53pm
- Ghost
  
  Full JP video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8jVsWjvf18
  
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  April 6, 2023 4:13pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Ghost – brilliant.
    
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    April 6, 2023 6:05pm
Maggie Pie

Honestly, get on Elizabeth Kerekere’s RIG will ya 😀 😀 😀

https://twitter.com/radionz/status/1643793286468075522

LOLOL!!!
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April 6, 2023 4:16pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  oh ffs. This country is becoming a laughing stock. Unbelievable.
  
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  April 6, 2023 5:06pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Oh dear, if you go to the Stuff link the first image makes it look like she’s transitioned to a man. Which is perfectly acceptable obviously and correlation is not causation……..
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300848857/greens-launch-investigation-after-mp-elizabeth-kerekere-calls-chle-swarbrick-a-crybaby-in-group-chat
  
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  April 6, 2023 5:12pm
  - Mike
    
    Feel free to link to your own picture.
    
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    April 6, 2023 5:47pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      And your pic sonny boy.
      
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      April 6, 2023 6:51pm
      - Mike
        
        I’m not the one commenting on others’ looks.
        
        [Mod – yes you are, all ClanMcleod is pointing out is that stuff had the wrong photos up]
        
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        April 6, 2023 7:57pm
Ghost

I didn’t even know this case was going on

Actor Leonardo DiCaprio told a Washington jury on Monday that Malaysian financier Jho Low revealed his plans to donate up to $30 million to help U.S. President Barack Obama’s 2012 reelection campaign in what prosecutors allege was part of an illegal foreign influence operation.

MSN
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April 6, 2023 5:25pm
- MCōs
  
  Keep up
  
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  April 6, 2023 5:40pm
  - Ghost
    
    Too much foreign interference to keep up with
    
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    April 6, 2023 5:50pm
    - Mike
      
      No wonder the Biden and Trump families think they’ll get away with it.
      
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      April 6, 2023 6:04pm
      - Ghost
        
        The foreign interference in many western countries political systems seems deeply rooted
        
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        April 6, 2023 6:16pm
      - marcw
        
        Stormy Daniels just Tweeted : “I agree with Ghost.”
        
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        April 6, 2023 7:53pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        western political systems are indeed deeply rooted
        
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        April 6, 2023 7:54pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/300849110/commerce-commission-launches-probe-into-cook-strait-ferry-issues
Quite frankly, the number of problems both companies have experienced recently in such a short period of time could almost suggest that there is some form of sabotage at work here. For some obscure reason.
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April 6, 2023 5:42pm
- Mike
  
  More likely just two companies reluctant to spend on suitable vessels. What could possibly go wrong?
  
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  April 6, 2023 6:06pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  greybeard – could it be to do with fuel contamination? I think someone on here said that was unlikely but I’ve heard that we’re importing inferior quality fuel since Marsden was sabotaged by this government.
  
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  April 6, 2023 6:08pm
  - Taieri
    
    greybeard – could it be to do with fuel contamination?
    ————
    
    No. There’s nothing wrong with marine fuels available in NZ. Besides, fuel is treated on board, i.e. purified to remove solids and water.
    
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    April 6, 2023 7:21pm
    - Mike
      
      But Clan Mclod ‘heard’ different, so why should he believe you?
      
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      April 6, 2023 7:55pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Greybeard
  
  Problem with the ferries is v simple.
  
  Interislander are basically a Govt Dept and have to get permission from mM of Finance to buy ferries. With NZ’s small gauge there are no second hand rail ferries available.
  
  Aratere was taken over on the stocks whn Fay Richwhite owned the Rail Co and they were able to get her fitted with rails. She was a problem and was called the Aralemon. However after lengthening she seemed to be OK.
  
  New ferries needed and they chartered/bought 2nd hand non railway ferries from overseas and have run them hard. All the ferries are 20+ years old.
  
  New ferries should have been designed and ordered at least 5 years ago.
  
  Blubridge started as a NZ owned Co but has been bought out by private equity. They have only bought 2nd hand tonnage and all have been operated by several other companies in Europs. These have been run hard and are approx. 20 years old.
  
  They should be ordering new ferries.
  
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  April 6, 2023 7:42pm
Swifty

Business NZ are saying today that minimum wage increases since 2017 and the Matariki holiday ALONE are adding $1.5 Billion to business costs annually.

Think this has no effect at the supermarket till? The gas pump? The clothes or shoe store?

Well, Labour wants us to think that.
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April 6, 2023 5:46pm
- Mike
  
  That’s a lot of money. Could you express it as a percentage of the total annual costs for all businesses, please?
  
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  April 6, 2023 6:54pm
  - Swifty
    
    I’ll express it this way; it’s $300 dollars for every man, woman and child in the country.
    
    And let me ask you a question for once.
    
    How much of this $1.5 Billion annually in extra business costs imposed by the NZ Labour Party will be passed on to Mum and Dad at the till?
    
    Let’s assume it’s all of it. So for a family of 5 that’s an extra $1500 annually they have to find for the same basket of goods and services.
    
    Just for the minimum wage and Matariki related costs alone! Not even including all the other cost increase drivers we know to exist!
    
    But no, according to Ardern and Robertson inflation in NZ is completely imported and/or Putin’s fault.
    
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    April 6, 2023 7:32pm
  - Prince
    
    Its about 50 times the amount NZ contributes to Global Climate Change.
    
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    April 6, 2023 8:17pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Far more impactful has been increase in sickness by 5 days a year – which a large proportion now take all of to care for kids or other relatives (that can be used as an excuse for days off). That is costing more than Matariki.
  
  And even more so because the number of absences mean that a lot of small businesses are struggling having to find extra casual or full time staff or cancelling more scheduled work to cover for the frequent extra absences on top of the sick pay. There are multiplier effects to the added costs in play
  
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  April 6, 2023 8:07pm
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    Yes, good point.
    
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    April 6, 2023 10:14pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Anyone noticed that the lefties on this General Debate are a bit touchy today?
I wonder why?
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- Mike
  
  As in touchy-feely, or ‘no touchy’?
  
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