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Yvette

Both Marama Davidson and Chris Hipkins have spoken, actually telling you loud and clear what they think, and do not “walk back” …

The actual Davidson street “white cis men interview” and Hipkin’s response to the whole thing has become a bit more important perhaps than it was, now that it is part of the rationale that Labour untruthfully uses to frame its public engagement for the Election.

1 – the original “street ‘interview’ of Marama Davidson – video –
https://twitter.com/Antifa_Otautahi/status/1639413322348101632?
or again, same thing, indented halfway down this article –
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/03/marama-davidson-blames-being-hit-by-motorcycle-for-lack-of-clarity-in-white-cis-men-comments.html

2 – and Chris Hipkins response –
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/04/anti-transgender-activist-posie-parker-says-she-ll-return-to-new-zealand-attacks-prime-minister-chris-hipkins.html – first 2min 15 seconds should do

Note, if you haven’t already done so, that –

1 – A right wing blog did not harass Davidson – the approach was quite friendly and convivial.
However Marama did not answer the question put to her, but launched into a seeming rote response that appeared an already thought-out point of view, and spoken “past” the interviewer (and cameraperson, if they were not the same) – something Marama had already formulated (literally premeditated) and wished to express, rather than the wrong-thinking Hipkins suggests it was – being inappropriate was entirely a different matter.

2 – And Hipkins, either not knowing this (having not seen the whole video as he admits) or ignoring it, changes the narrative to a confrontation to fit the agenda he, in turn, wishes to convey – of violence which his MPs will have to be wary of, and also withdraw from.

Seeing the Davidson video reveals what an untruthful cis-male dick Hipkins may be himself in his Newshub video.

So when it comes to a matter like the Treaty of Waitangi, are these people going to discuss in any way its true relevance, or are they going to spout a formulaic preconceived agenda, perhaps because the Maori Caucus pressures them under threat to secede from Labour?
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April 3, 2023 8:01am
- Scott
  
  I thought the reporter caught Marama Davison in a moment where she actually spoke her mind? I think this is what she really believes. I think she really believes that white men are the cause of most of the problems in the world today. That’s an ideology that has gripped many on the left and I think she spoke what she really really believed.
  
  The Prime Minister may want to walk it back for political reasons? But look, I think that is the real Marama Davison and voters need to note what she believes when they next go to the ballot box at the end of the year.
  
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  April 3, 2023 10:47am
  - jon
    
    The unapologetic racist Davidson still sits atop of the initial Green party list for the upcoming general election released today.
    
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    April 3, 2023 2:20pm
  - Paul Marsden
    
    She has form. Check her tweets from 2014
    
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    April 3, 2023 5:36pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Apparently in the interim between being struck by the motorcycle, and being interviewed for the video clip, Minister Davidson had been treated by first aid staff, and had been observed taking a full part in the protest, including dancing, and generally enjoying herself in a very vocal and happy manner.
  
  This puts her version of the narrative that she was still traumatised by the assault in a somewhat different light, but then the tenor of her statements at the time would also indicate that her version of reality is somewhat skewed.
  
  Also, in an interview on Radio New Zealand later that week, when asked if she intended to apologise, Minister Davidson stated forcefully that she had no intention of apologising to cis men, somewhat conveniently omitting that her original comment slighted WHITE cis men! So, can we add gaslighting to her list of crimes against reality?
  
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  April 3, 2023 12:40pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Once again, mindlessly shouting over people like a toddler not getting it’s way.
  
  A politician you say? Wow. How did things get so silly?
  
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  April 3, 2023 3:45pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Imagine how humiliating it must be for Nanaia to ask for security ties with the hated colonial Masters & their Euro chums.

She’ll have to explain where Aotearoa is first, though.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/04/international-relations-expert-says-aotearoa-s-become-closer-with-nato.html
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April 3, 2023 8:02am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Gosh, Minister Mahuta has been a busy Lady this year rushing hither & thither around the globe.
  
  Has she spent any time in Parliament this year?
  
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  April 3, 2023 10:17am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Its almost as if she has been told to go away and not come back till after the election!
    
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    April 3, 2023 11:22am
- mawm
  
  NMTB- by being part of Five Eyes New Zealand are de facto “members” of Nato and our troops are in Ukraine. I am less than happy supporting a neo-Nazi regime that is becoming less and less democratic and which has more recently shown their anti-Christian ideology. They are not nice people and we should not be fighting Washington’s wars.
  
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  April 3, 2023 12:15pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    New Zealand doesn’t have any troops in Ukraine.
    
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    April 3, 2023 7:27pm
Grunter

For those that want to hear a view on the Ukraine situation that you won’t hear on the MSM. Let’s hope this mess stops soon.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=bw1euDVn41Y&feature=share
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April 3, 2023 8:02am
- CRM114
  
  Also Kim Iversen:
  ‘I’ve been calling it for months. Putin has no desire to annex any other areas of Ukraine. He would rather Donbas be declared independent and act as a buffer between NATO (if Ukraine joins) and the Russian border. He doesn’t want NATO based at his border. Period.’
  Feb 22, 2022.
  
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  April 3, 2023 10:12am
  - marcw
    
    Following this logic, we will soon expect Putin to annex parts of Estonia and Latvia? Current members of NATO which directly border Russia.
    
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    April 3, 2023 10:21am
    - kowtow
      
      Yep ,And return the “Kyonigsbergskaya Oblast ” to the Germans ?
      
      Surrounded as it is by NATO.
      
      btw Putin’s initial disastrous invasion of Ukraine is proof , if needed , he wanted to take the whole thing.
      Losing as he did his best troops trying to seize Kyev.
      
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      April 3, 2023 10:30am
      - JeffW
        
        Should be uptick, sorry
        
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        April 3, 2023 12:13pm
    - CRM114
      
      @marcw, If you’re replying to me, my point is, Kim Iversen doesn’t have a great track record of ‘calling’ anything. She has a narrative she’s pushing, simple.
      As for Grunters ‘you won’t hear this on MSM’ post, below is a link to the full interview by AP (ie MSM) that she selectively quotes at the beginning, the rest of the video is just her and Scott Ritter giving their opinions on the conflict and why ‘Ukraine shouldn’t fight back. No one should. Let it go.’ (Quote from Kim Iversen Feb 25, 2022).
      Link to AP transcript:
      https://apnews.com/article/ap-zelenskyy-interview-ukraine-war-11de771129fb822f2cd58b443736e72f
      
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      April 3, 2023 10:50am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    Well, now that Finland is about to join NATO, that ship has sailed, notwithstanding that Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia are all member states of NATO and all share borders with Russia. (Poland and Lithuania border the Kaliningrad enclave north of Poland, which is Russian territory)
    
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    April 3, 2023 12:49pm
CAKE FACE1

A cabal of communist, neo-Marxist and socialist sympathisers have taken over our institutions and government.

Nowhere is this more the case than our Team of $55 Million, which is rife with neo-Marxist thought.

These extreme left-wing fanatics often expose themselves by describing rather moderate people as ‘far right’. There is some truth to the term, at least from where they are positioned. The middle appears to be ‘far right’, if you are a neo-Marxist.

Of course, many of the lickspittle extreme left fanatics don’t even realise that they are espousing neo-Marxist ideology. They are simply useful idiots for the neo-Marxist cause.

The failure of these socialists to deliver anything except economic ruin and social disharmony is not bad luck. This is the inevitable consequence of the centralisation of everything.

My concern is that Mr Luxon and Mr Seymour don’t appear to realise appreciate what is happening. It is obvious that a clear-out of neo-Marxist thought from our once proud institutions is vital to our future.

Even if National / ACT win the next election, eventually the extreme left will again return to power. They will simply start up where they left off.

Neo-Marxists must be identified, named and shamed. Presuming National / ACT win the election, they must, for the sake of our future, act to remove as many Marxists as possible from our institutions. The police, courts, universities, schools and government bureaucracy is overrun with these extremists.

The most important policy that a National / ACT government can do is to reform the Team of $55 Million. Privatise all State media. Completely defund the rest, including eliminating State advertising. Close all quangos, such as NZ on Air.

The government could require the private sector broadcaster who buys the State television networks to broadcast news free to air, to head off Marxist whining about unfairness.

Make it so!
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April 3, 2023 8:03am
- cmm
  
  As I said before, you need to zoom out a bit and see the “left: and “right” as really two parts of the same thing – like the front and back of a wave.
  
  The front part (the left) moves things. The back part (the right) comes along and smooths things over.
  
  Sure, the Nats would undo a few minor policies, but mainly they will just “tweak” and “improve” them, provide the competence to bed the policies down properly.
  
  Once everyone has accepted the new status quo, then along comes the left to shift things again.
  
  There is no real adversity. It’s all professional wrestling or good-cop/bad-cop – however you want to view it.
  
  If you think any of the big Labour changes are going to be undone then you are in dreamland.
  
  Likewise, if you voted for Labour and thought they’d really change major National policies you’re in dreamland too. For example, Labour and Greens promised to nationalise the assets sold in the partial asset sales. They did absolutely nothing. Not a peep.
  
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  April 3, 2023 12:38pm
  - CAKE FACE1
    
    If National / ACT don’t reverse the neo-Marxism, New Zealand will become a failed State. The economy will collapse, and Third World status will ensue.
    
    Make no mistake. Labour has declared war on the private sector in NZ.
    
    A few examples:
    
    1. Kommissar Robbo doubled government spending in just four years from 2018 to 2022 ($81bn to $162bn). The Marxist ideology here is that the government should eventually crowd out the entire private sector. Only the State will survive.
    
    2. The minimum wage has been increased, to the extent that ours is now the highest relative to the median wage in the world. Kommissar Robbo obviously wants everybody in New Zealand to be paid the same amount, per Marxist ideology. Eliminating financial incentives is a key target for Marxists.
    
    3. Kommissar Robbo and Cindy have actively tried to destroy our exporting capacity. Cindy closed our borders for the best part of three years during the Covid hoax, annihilating tourism. Labour has also smashed farming, and is trying to cut herds by 20%, as part of the Climate hoax. The consequence of this is that New Zealand now has the worst trade deficit in the OECD, and the worst in our history, at 8.9% of GDP. A currency collapse beckons.
    
    I could go on, but you hopefully you get the point.
    
    If we continue following the Marxist policies of Venezuela and Zimbabwe, we will also become a failed State.
    
    This time, it’s different. National / ACT must change the policies, or we are doomed.
    
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    April 3, 2023 2:17pm
Bridgenag

The ‘hermit kingdom’: how Western Australia became the control group in the global Covid vaccine experiment
WA vaccine safety data round up

https://open.substack.com/pub/rebekahbarnett/p/the-hermit-kingdom-how-western-australia?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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April 3, 2023 8:04am
Bridgenag

Revealed: NZ Medsafe’s Safety Assessment of the Pfizer Vaccine for Pregnant Women
Chris James, Group Manager of Medsafe told in Court by an expert, “It is concerning that public health officials did not reveal this

https://open.substack.com/pub/cranmer/p/revealed-nz-medsafes-safety-assessment?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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April 3, 2023 8:04am
artemisia

Michael Bassett on Labour’s ‘out of control bureaucracy’ and ‘endless chaos’. A good read, including actual numbers and names …..

Also some good comments from readers. I particularly liked this succinct description of New Zealand from Grandpa Kiwi –

‘an increasing reliance on government for the necessities and extravagances previously earned through personal effort and responsibility’

http://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/michael-bassett-labour-and-its-out-of-control-bureaucracy
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April 3, 2023 8:05am
Simon

National’s climate change policies. Orders are in from the WEF/ UN. Slow lockdown of the economy, living standards and personal freedoms. This will be a gradual process.
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April 3, 2023 8:06am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

DeSantis Tells NY DA To Shove It, ‘Florida Will Not Assist’ Extraditing Trump.
https://libertyonenews.com/desantis-reacts-to-trump-indictment-says-florida-will-not-assist-extradition/
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April 3, 2023 8:06am
- Scott
  
  John Hinderaker on the powerline blog writes this – “The Democratic Party is making war on Republicans, conservatives, and America. All rules have been abrogated, all traditions trashed, all sense of fairness gone. It is past time for conservatives to quit being nice guys. The Democrats’ assault can be stopped only by a healthy dose of their own medicine.”
  https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/04/time-to-take-off-the-gloves.php
  
  I think John is right. When Donald Trump became president he decided not to prosecute Hillary Clinton. He was gracious. Although I believe in grace, I think that was a mistake? Basically the Democrats know they can get away with anything and there appear to be no consequences? Whereas on the Republican side they get hammered. For an example we have the January 6 “insurrection” where nobody bought a gun and the only person killed at the scene was a female Trump supporter. The Justice Department hammered those involved and many spent months in solitary confinement awaiting charge.
  Recently mobs of trans-protesters have invaded state capitals and nothing happens? They just seem to get away with it.
  
  I actually think the Republican Congress need to do the following. Start investigating Hunter Biden. Put out articles of impeachment on Joe Biden. Impeach the guy who is in charge of the southern border.
  
  Donald Trump has promised to be the person who gets justice if he is elected. I think he needs to make good on that promise. If he is elected the voters need to see people arrested and jailed. There has been so much corruption that Democrats need to see that they will do serious jail time if caught. They do have to fight fire with fire.
  
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  April 3, 2023 8:16am
  - RichardX
    
    Scott, you already know I believe your epistemology is flawed but this just demonstrates it.
    
    When Donald Trump became president he decided not to prosecute Hillary Clinton. He was gracious.
    
    What evidence do you have to support this claim?
    
    I can think of 2 possible reasons for Trump to not prosecute Hillary and you have added a third;
    1 – “Lock her up” was an election promise he never intended to keep.
    2 – There was insufficient evidence to bring charges.
    3 – Trump was being gracious.
    
    Despite Trump’s track record, you are telling us 3 is what you believe.
    
    For an example we have the January 6 “insurrection” where nobody bought a gun and the only person killed at the scene was a female Trump supporter.
    
    How do you define an insurrection?
    Are you confusing it with the term “armed insurrection”?
    Do you think people have to die for it to be an insurrection?
    
    Do you believe footage of someone committing a crime is negated by footage of the same person or different people not committing a crime at a different time?
    
    I actually think the Republican Congress need to do the following. Start investigating Hunter Biden.
    
    Do you actually follow US politics?
    Are you aware of what is already taking place?
    
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    April 3, 2023 11:03am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Did not Hillary deliberately destroy subpoenaed evidence?
      
      Was she not secretary of state?
      
      Any lesser mortal in the chain of command would have been imprisoned for doing that.
      
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      April 3, 2023 12:23pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Just read this Scott.
    “Donald Trump has promised to be the person who gets justice if he is elected. I think he needs to make good on that promise. If he is elected the voters need to see people arrested and jailed. There has been so much corruption that Democrats need to see that they will do serious jail time if caught. They do have to fight fire with fire.”
    
    Why are the Democrats so scared of Trump becoming 47 POTUS?
    The Don has an unfinished job. Hillary is running scared. She is the top crim.
    Go down the chain of ‘The Swamp’ The Democrats don’t want Trump to destroy their corrupt lifestyle.
    Nancy is so fucked off it is funny. Remember Air Force One loaded up with goodies for a junket trip to Europe? All of her hangers on and family members?
    Trumps said “Fine” but you are not taking Air Force One! NK minut two buses full of passengers driving around with no place to go. Air Force Base was locked off.
    Guess they all got Taxis home!!!!
    
    Anyway Scott, Trump under estimated the size of the swamp. That is why the corrupt rabid left are trying to stop him.
    Melania – how many times has a person become FLOTUS in different Elections?
    You do know that he will win bar assassination!
    
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    April 3, 2023 5:57pm
    - mawm
      
      Steve, it’s not only the Democrats, the Republicans are up to their neck in corruption as well. All one needs to do is to take a look at their increase in wealth during their time in Congress or the Senate. Rand Paul is an exception… and he does charitable eye surgery during recess. I’m sure there are others but the majority have their snouts in the trough.
      
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      April 3, 2023 6:09pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yup, they are. The swamp needs exposing. The RINOs are being exposed. Mitch McConnell! Minority Leader – a turncoat. Time for bed Mitch – leave graciously.
        
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        April 3, 2023 6:31pm
- Cassandra
  
  Why would DeSantis help this charade? And why would he give Trump any publicity? But I fear the GOP is going to make a huge mistake*, the Dems will put up Old Joe, and we’ll have the third senile president for America. Good company, the Russians did it for years and I think Walter Nash was pretty close to it in 1957. * Biden leads Trump 45 x 42.
  
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  April 3, 2023 8:33am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Probably about right. Trump gets the Republican nomination but loses the general election. The mid terms are a pretty good pointer to that being the outcome.
    
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    April 3, 2023 2:32pm
    - mawm
      
      Do you really believe that there was no election rigging?
      
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      April 3, 2023 6:10pm
  - emmess
    
    I am for De Santis over Trump, and he clearly did the right thing here.
    He needs to walk a fine line between not pissing off the base and appearing as Trump’s bitch.
    
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    April 3, 2023 2:32pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You know Trump is a winner. Ron DeSantis knows this as well.
      Ron is just keeping his campaign going.
      
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      April 3, 2023 6:34pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Biden leads Trump 45 x 42.
    Amazing where people get these numbers?????
    
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    April 3, 2023 6:32pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

What with public transport schedules having been wrecked & EV cars subject to the same crappy roads as those driving sensible cars, is it my imagination or are bike riders being prioritised not just over ICE vehicles but actually any & every form of transport?

http://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/487217/the-crisis-of-our-urban-bus-networks-hundreds-of-services-cancelled-every-day
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April 3, 2023 8:06am
artemisia

Hope all you gun owners know ….

Te Tari Pūreke has been created to keep all our communities safe by regulating the legitimate possession and use of firearms in New Zealand.
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April 3, 2023 8:08am
- sirknz
  
  Pretty sure that the gangs will be signing up to this…
  
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  April 3, 2023 10:15am
Yvette

The Prime Minister is warning MPs to proceed with caution.
“Generally the best advice would be not to engage,” Hipkins said. “I acknowledge that can be very difficult when someone is right in your face like that. But ultimately no good is going to come from those sorts of situations.”
He’s expecting it to ramp up this year.
“It is certainly possible we will see more of that kind of aggressive, in-your-face sort of behaviour.”
The aggressive nature of some of those who protested against Posie Parker saw her ushered out by security. Scuffles continued out on the streets.
But on Tuesday the Prime Minister said if his schedule had allowed, he would have joined the protest.
“Conceptually, I would’ve had no issue with being there. It would’ve been something I would’ve been proud to support.”
He said he would have been supporting the rainbow community.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/03/chris-hipkins-warns-mps-to-proceed-with-caution-if-approached-by-conspiracy-sites.html

Do not engage, stay away
But I would be proud to join in
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April 3, 2023 8:09am
- Debsta
  
  The ignorance and arrogance of our current and former PM absolutely blows my mind. And please tell me how can voters NOT see through their idiocy. I despair.
  
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  April 3, 2023 12:48pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Just wait till Ardern goes to parliament for the first and last time she since y resigned, it will be all flowers and lolli pops and all about her arrogant self
    
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    April 3, 2023 1:28pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

So no cheating in Arizona but they are doing something about it?
The cheating Election overseer Katie Hobbs can not veto this one.
https://billingsreport.com/arizona-legislature-takes-huge-steps-to-prevent-election-cheating-no-more-foreign-voting-machines-and-more/
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April 3, 2023 8:10am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Katie Hobbs cannot veto this legislation as she has done with an overwhelming majority of the bills sent to her desk.
  
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  April 3, 2023 11:15am
Yvette

Maori in protecting the Hauraki Gulf?
In two recent articles where it may be expected a Maori advisory aspect would appear, if not insisted on, dropping both texts into TextEdit and searching for the word “Maori” comes up with zilch.

1 – Member of group advising Government on improving health of Hauraki Gulf resigns after criticism, ideas shut down
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/03/member-of-group-advising-government-on-improving-health-of-hauraki-gulf-resigns-after-criticism-ideas-shut-down.html

2 – Fishing giant Sanford reveals what it’s willing to sacrifice to protect Hauraki Gulf
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/03/fishing-giant-sanford-reveals-what-it-s-willing-to-sacrifice-to-protect-hauraki-gulf.html

But then would Maori holdings in fishing companies have anything to do with this? –

Ngāi Tahu Holdings is now the single biggest shareholder in the fishing company …
Sanford chair Sir Robert McLeod viewed the investment as positive.
“Ngāi Tahu is one of New Zealand’s largest and most successful iwi investors, with a substantial stake in and knowledge of the seafood sector. This offer recognises the potential long-term performance and quality of Sanford’s assets.”
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/450522/ngai-tahu-holdings-increases-stake-in-sanford
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April 3, 2023 8:10am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Kari Lake is not giving up. She wants the cheating Maricopa County Recorder Stephen Richer out.
https://billingsreport.com/kari-lake-speaks-out-election-officials-brazenly-hiding-evidence-from-us/
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April 3, 2023 8:13am
Simon

Hipkins getting boosted. Part of the humiliation ritual NZ’s nominal leaders have to undertake to remain on GAE’s good side.
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April 3, 2023 8:14am
peterwn

So there are serious issues at Gore District Council between the Mayor and the Chief Executive. There was a similar issue in Horowhenua District several years ago. Perhaps Mayors should be elected by councils rather than the public (former County Councils and Regional Councils elected a chairperson from among its members). Perhaps another idea is for the ability to remove a Mayor from office if 75% of councillors AND the Chief Executive agree. The outgoing mayor would be relegated to councillor and the council elects a new mayor (former mayor’s vote excluded) from among its members.
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April 3, 2023 8:18am
- 103PapPap
  
  Just another example of the shambles that occurs when you elect children politicians. People with no life or commercial experience.
  We see this from our ex PM, current PM, several Mayors and many parliamentarians and councillors.
  Sadly, I don’t know what we can do about this.
  
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  April 3, 2023 10:43am
  - Matt Long
    
    If the voting age goes down to 16, who will be progressive enough to elect a 16 year old mayor?
    Special points for diversity, gender unclear, ethnicities except “white” or asian.
    
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    April 3, 2023 2:56pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Exercise in meddling. All Trump’s fault.
It’s no secret that the left is trying to pin the blame of their own corruption on the former president. They’re doing this by attempting to elevate Trump’s status with a “mug shot”, and using him as the focus of former President Joe Biden’s 2024 campaign. They want to see handcuffs and fingerprints as well. Nasty bunch of bastards.
https://libertyonenews.com/exercise-in-election-meddling-vince-coglianese-sounds-alarm-on-trump-indictment/
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April 3, 2023 8:18am
- Inandout
  
  SO, the ‘idictment’ is giving Trump’s campaign funding a huge boost, even among those who were previously not contributors. Even some Dems see this event as a desperate means of preventing Trump from running.
  
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  April 3, 2023 8:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I know it is a huge boost and The Don knows as well.
    
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    April 3, 2023 11:16am
- Clyde
  
  Is the US of A so screwed that the only two people likely to become President are a very old man who doesn’t seem to know if it is day or night, and another idiot who is morally corrupt and is clearly so ego driven he is willing to do anything to feed that ego? Surely, in a population of 350 million there must be someone sane?
  
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  April 3, 2023 8:56am
  - Inandout
    
    Clyde, when did morals ever feature in US politics? As for Biden, well if anyyone thinks he can run in 2024 should re-assess their opinion after seeing this pitiful sight.
    https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/frankly-its-all-getting-a-little-sad-joe-biden-clueless-at-a-simple-photo-op/video/c3d7c2b2fc729fd30d22e6636d2eff12
    
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    April 3, 2023 10:46am
Chuck Bird

If it is a choice between saving the planet and paying a lot more for power which way will most people vote?

Treasury warns of skyrocketing bills if carbon price used to cut emissions

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/treasury-warns-of-skyrocketing-bills-if-carbon-price-used-to-cut-emissions/E53GGZ5GURDD7IOXNLBALHSCHI/
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April 3, 2023 8:19am
- krazykiwi
  
  For “saving the plant”, read “further enslaving the unthinking masses”
  
  The Climate Change™ scam is a stalking horse for centralised, totalitarian global control.
  
  I wish more folks would wake up.
  
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  April 3, 2023 8:23am
  - RockyJ
    
    We may find a lot of the population has woken up. A referendum was held in Berlin on whether to support climate neutrality by 2030. Only 18% of voters supported it. I did a poll on LinkedIn and found a similar response from 100 votes. It’s only politicians who want to scare us and journalists who are scared who are prepared to make other people make the needless sacrifice.
    
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    April 3, 2023 8:38am
  - Rusty
    
    @krazykiwi- The worlds climate/weather experts can’t always get the weather forecast for the week right but they know what is going to happen to the climate in the next 20-30 years time.
    
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    April 3, 2023 8:53am
  - All_on_Red
    
    I think a lot more people have ‘woken’ up than perhaps Wayne Mapp would like.
    In Germany a recent Referendum to bring forward Net Zero was defeated as it failed to get enough Votes for a Quorum.
    When the lights go out, there’s no heating or cooling and energy costs start to hurt, then people reject the Policies which cause that.
    
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    April 3, 2023 9:03am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      The wheels are falling off the Climate Change trolley. Germany and Italy have both refused to sign up to no fossil fuel vehicles after 2030 because Porsche and Ferrari want to continue building them and the Germans have worked out it will cost 100,000 jobs in the sector.
      When push comes to shove voters will decide and will always take the less costly to them option. I suspect over the next few years Net Zero will quietly fade away as pollies see they will be defeated if they persist.
      
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      April 3, 2023 9:42am
      - Hard Cheese
        
        Germany and Italy have both refused to sign up to no fossil fuel vehicles after 2030 because Porsche and Ferrari want to continue building them and the Germans have worked out it will cost 100,000 jobs in the sector.
        
        This is isn’t true no matter how much you wish it to be. At best manufacturers have a five year reprieve from 2030 – after 2035 no new ICE vehicle can be sold in the European Union, the law was passed earlier this year. In any case the VW Group (who own the Porsche, Audi, Seat, Skoda, Bentley, Ducati and Volkswagen brands) have openly stated they will stop production of ICE vehicles in Europe sometime between 2033 and 2035.
        
        So unless someone buys out Porsche, or Italy and Germany leave the EU, what you’re claiming is not happening.
        
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        April 3, 2023 4:03pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Hard Cheese @ 4:03PM
        Laws made can be laws changed!
        Who knows what an individual’s mode of transport in Europe may be post-2030 if in fact there is a Europe?
        Politicians are like technology, each keeps changing to suit the demands of those who elect/use same.
        
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        April 3, 2023 4:30pm
      - Hard Cheese
        
        @NickC2
        
        If you think there will be any reversal of the move to vehicle electrification, either by politicians or vehicle manufacturers, the billions of dollars invested into the entire battery/EV supply chain says you’re dreaming.
        
        And if you’re implying the EU won’t exist after 2030, you’re in cloud cuckoo land
        
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        April 3, 2023 5:08pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      Not just Germany, but also Switzerland also rejected in a referendum a proposal to advance NetZero to 2035.
      
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      April 3, 2023 9:44am
      - coge
        
        At least referendum were held. The political classes of NZ wouldn’t ever allow us that luxury.
        
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        April 3, 2023 11:13am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      One thing that concerns me is that there’s plenty of grift to be made in Wind and Solar if you don’t have to pay for the backup power but can socialise it to the rest of the system.
      
      I saw some mention, I think basically a boast from Luxon, about $30 billion just waiting to be invested in wind/solar IF the RMA process can be re-worked, and I wondered how much support those people are giving to National – and how many Nats have investments in such companies.
      
      Look at the power price rises in Europe and every state that’s pushing unreliables. No wonder the German voters finally baulked. The joke is that the fossil fuel companies love it as well because fast, gas-fired plants that can switch on in minutes are more profitable than 24/7 stations – and more inefficient.
      
      And of course since all that back-up fossil fuel power is used for much shorter periods of time, the capex and opex costs are spread over much smaller periods of time and smaller amounts of power – hence price increases for “free” wind and solar.
      
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      April 3, 2023 9:45am
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        “Look at the power price rises in Europe and every state that’s pushing unreliables.”
        
        These policies kill people. Literally.
        
        https://www.itv.com/news/2023-01-19/cold-housing-causing-excess-deaths-as-soaring-energy-bills-strain-finances
        
        Excess deaths are way up in the UK and Germany.
        
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        April 3, 2023 12:26pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        Pretty much bang on, But for different reasons,
        
        ” The joke is that the fossil fuel companies love it as well”
        The O&G Industry thrive on all this Green driven agenda’s,
        Why ?
        Because they know damn well, It will require my O&G to deliver the “Dubious” promises by the Worlds Governments thereby Guaranteeing a use for Fossil Fuels in the future.
        Its basic maths, Energy in / Out etc, and the only feasible way to build Infrastructure is with Fossil Fuels etc.
        
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        April 3, 2023 2:06pm
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Look at the referendum. It was for NetZero in 2030. Obviously that was going to fail, just as it would in NZ. Simply not practical in just 7 years time.
      In contrast 2050 is 27 years away. I posted on this yesterday so am not going to fully repeat myself. Suffice to say that by 2050 the transportation fleet will be dramatically closer to zero emissions than at present.
      
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      April 3, 2023 2:37pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    The last to wake up will be the politicians in National.
    
    Had a conversation with a true believer young Nat over the weekend who tried to tell me that it wasn’t Net Zero that was the problem, it’s how we get there. Which has been the subtext of how Luxon has been trying to sell it.
    
    So similar to the arguments that true believers in communism make.
    
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    April 3, 2023 9:39am
    - hullkiwi
      
      A Young Nat does not speak for the National Party. NZ has some bid environmental problems & talk of getting to NetZero is a fatuous debate.
      
      NZ has an energy problem, it has a waste problem, and talk of solar and wind farms solve nothing. They don’t even cut carbon emissions or provide a long term solution.
      
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      April 3, 2023 9:58am
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Does Luxon speak for National?
        
        I’ve been reading his Electrify NZ policy, which states that it will, “Turbo-charge new renewable wind, geothermal, and solar projects”.
        
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        April 3, 2023 10:07am
      - Lucia Maria
        
        This point on requiring consents for “these generation types near automatic” is a little alarming.
        
        The new NPS-REG will make solar, wind, geothermal and biomass a controlled activity under the Resource Management Act, requiring councils to update their plans to make consents for these generation types near-automatic. The NPS-REG will outline the conditions that may be attached to new consents. Provided the conditions are met, consents cannot be declined.
        
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        April 3, 2023 10:12am
  - Jimbob
    
    Spot on KK.
    
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    April 3, 2023 10:41am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I see it more as a convenient runaway gravy train, aided and abetted by unscrupulous politicians, environmentalists and the media. Legion careers and fortunes would come to a screaming halt if it all fell apart.
    
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    April 3, 2023 12:26pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Chuck – it’s alright, vote for Labour/Greens and they’ll just print more money to help people pay the higher bills and it won’t make things worse. //
  
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  April 3, 2023 8:24am
  - Nickc2
    
    Fuckin student politicians! You’d think these bastards would have grown up by now, but they obviously haven’t eh?
    
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    April 3, 2023 8:33am
    - G152
      
      And every year there are new student pollies to replace last years
      
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      April 3, 2023 10:21am
  - Drone
    
    But @ClanMcleod one of the benefits of today’s world is that whilst you use the word “print” has always implied paper and ink and machinery, in today’s new green world “printing money” is as simple as a few keystrokes on a computer. If only all activities could be so easily greened.
    
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    April 3, 2023 10:13am
    - stiff cheese
      
      This would make a good news item at 6pm: “Tonight, Adrian Orr shows us how he creates NEW MONEY at the Reserve Bank!”
      
      I’d like to watch that story. Does he go into a secure backroom and tap in 10,000,000,000 on a special keyboard? Then hits ‘Enter’ and “Yay, now the NZ Government is rich again, thanks to me!”
      
      What’s the process? Of course we’ll never know. They have to hide it from the public. People might think Fiat money is a collossal scam.
      
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      April 3, 2023 12:37pm
      - mawm
        
        They used to call it “devaluation of the currency”.
        
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        April 3, 2023 6:14pm
- alloytoo
  
  Thing is, there is no existential threat, merely variety of potential problems which might require solving in the future at some cost.
  
  No guarantee that these proposed decarbonization actions will have any effect on the climate whatsoever. They are almost certain to bankrupt us and cause extreme energy poverty.
  
  Thus far the only person whose made any ration attempt to compare these two is Bjørn Lomborg and his advice is to rather use the money to address todays problems & build resilience to tackle tomorrows problems.
  
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  April 3, 2023 9:07am
- Master Mariner
  
  Full of unintended consequences or as Al Gore would say “An inconvenient Truth”.
  On another similar vein, MBIE have released Fuel resilience Policy.
  https://www.mbie.govt.nz/dmsdocument/25592-fuel-resilience-policy-package-proactiverelease-pdf
  No wonder Channel infrastructure ( Ex Marsden point) CEO has departed with a “Golden Parachute”.
  Also in excel monthly statistics, Interesting reading.
  Rest of the World has moved on from the “Just in time” supply chain except NZ ( More so with refined Petroleum products and shelf life)
  Well worth the read.
  
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  April 3, 2023 9:24am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  And remember – using the carbon price to cut emissions is the cheapest way to reduce emissions. EVERYTHING else costs more.
  
  This is the thing with climate change mitigation. Nothing has changed since I first started working on it 20 years ago. Everyone wants big cuts in emissions until the bill is received. You are seeing that in Germany, the UK, and – with the unfortunate farmers – in the Netherlands. Australia is next off the block. South Australian electricity prices – caused by their mass move to renewables are just the start.
  
  Policy promises are cheap. Action is expensive.
  
  Just look at how the Government freaked out with the rising petrol prices last year. They had to do something because it was political death otherwise. Think that is bad – wait for the path to ‘net zero’ to get underway.
  
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  April 3, 2023 9:41am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    That’s what got me about Mapp’s answer the other day where he claimed – contra my assertion – that he did understand the ETS, and went on to demonstrate that by showing numbers he’d calculated about what the ETS would have to force to have the same effect as his beloved ute-tax/EV-subsidy.
    
    And I thought to myself that he’d just demonstrated how he didn’t understand the ETS, which is designed to reduce GHG emission in the most economically efficient way. He’s cherry picked a solution he really loves and is then annoyed to find the ETS doesn’t support it – which is exactly the point of the ETS.
    
    Hell, I think it was none other than DPF (or perhaps someone he quoted) who showed what the Carbon Cost has been from all the EV subsidies to date, and it amounts to thousands of dollars per tonne of GHG emissions reduction. just economically batshit crazy and Muldoon Think Big level of resource waste.
    
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    April 3, 2023 9:58am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      You seem to have have missed the point I was making. To get the equivalent effect of the clean car rebate, the carbon price would have to be unsustainably high. For instance if the ETS component of petrol was $1 the carbon price would need to be $350. That might happen over time, perhaps a couple of decades. However, an increase in a proposed minimum of $120 for carbon (compared to $60 to $70) was too high for the cabinet. They were concerned about the overall impact on prices.
      So yes, I stick by my view. The advantage of the clean car rebate is that it is targeted, whereas the ETS has a general effect. There is no doubt the clean car rebate has accelerated the shift into EVs. It is why just about every developed nation has a similar scheme. They are not all batshit crazy, though I suspect you probably think they are.
      
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      April 3, 2023 2:48pm
      - Matt Long
        
        It’s a conundrum, presuming the goal of the ETS is to stop people using petrol or diesel vehicles carbon credits become so pricey that so called carbon farming becomes the only viable land use and agriculture disappears.
        Of course the aim of the ETS is probably not getting people out of fossil fueled cars, hence the reverse Robin Hood tax breaks and subsidies for wealthy EV buyers.
        
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        April 3, 2023 3:14pm
      - Matt Long
        
        I do wonder why Agriculture has to be net zero by 2030 under current policies from all parties except ACT. Something to do with immoral foreign exchange earnings?
        
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        April 3, 2023 3:16pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Meanwhile the world’s largest industrial economy( not to mention the rest of the developing world) isn’t taking their foot off the emissions accelerator until at least 2050. We (all western countries) are therefore pissing against the wind (at catastrophic expense) trying to control the climate. Meanwhile there is no empirical evidence that additional human induced Co2 influences the climate to any significant degree. But keep doing stupid bigly at great expense! The brainwashed masses will reward you with power, perks and pensions (until they are shivering in the dark and unable to afford to live beyond developing world standards, at best). They’ll watch the developing word roar ahead of them in living standards and wealth.
        
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        April 3, 2023 4:07pm
      - Simon Arnold
        
        I think you are asking the wrong question here Wayne. The question is how high does the ETS have to be to make it more economic to buy an EV? MfE’s 2020 ‘Marginal abatement cost curves analysis for New Zealand’ estimates that by 2030 both the light passenger and commercial fleets are more competitive as EVs than fossil fueled at zero ETS.
        
        So the policy problem is transitional, how to handle the exist stock of vehicles. If you want to speed things up direct intervention might be worth doing, but if it will virtually happen by 2040ish is it worth it?
        
        The high ETS would however be needed for other problems. See the MfE publication.
        
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        April 3, 2023 4:38pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        There is no doubt the clean car rebate has accelerated the shift into EVs. It is why just about every developed nation has a similar scheme. They are not all batshit crazy, though I suspect you probably think they are.
        
        If your solution to a problem is many times more expensive than other solutions then it is certainly batshit crazy. Which is why those other developed nations you’re talking about are steadily reducing or eliminating EV subsidies and focusing on smarter and cheaper ways of reducing GHG’s.
        
        Just because you’re nudging people into EV’s via subsidies that they don’t think about, as opposed to more brutal approach of massive increases in the price of petrol, don’t kid yourself that the cost is going to escape the voters taxed pocketbooks forever. That’s why National is going to scrap this scheme.
        
        Suffice to say that’s going to have a negative effect on EV sales.
        
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        April 3, 2023 4:38pm
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        I give up.
        
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        April 3, 2023 7:56pm
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        “They are not all batshit crazy, though I suspect you probably think they are.”
        
        Every reputable economist in New Zealand thinks it is bat shit crazy. Who to believe? The New Zealand Initiative? The Treasury? Or Wayne Mapp?
        
        You are utterly misguided. I say this as someone who has advised governments and emitters on emissions mitigation for 20 years. I am utterly incredulous.
        
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        April 3, 2023 8:00pm
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        “There is no doubt the clean car rebate has accelerated the shift into EVs”
        
        Do you think we are retarded?
        
        Of course it has. That is not the point. Is it an efficient instrument to allow New Zealand to meet its emission reduction obligations? NO. Find me anyone apart from Julie Ann Genter or James Shaw who agrees with you
        
        I hope to god that there is a generation of economically literate National MPs who will leave this idiocy behind.
        
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        April 3, 2023 8:08pm
- mawm
  
  Chuck – “choice between saving the planet and paying a lot more for power”
  
  Your basic premise is wrong.
  
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  April 3, 2023 9:44am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  The choice will be much easier once they realise that the drastic measures won’t make the slightest difference to the climate.
  
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  April 3, 2023 11:49am
kowtow

Quality journalism ( snigger)

Monday morning Ferald Quiz .

How many times is his name mispelled .

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-front-page-what-will-the-weather-be-like-this-winter/HTU6ONNMRFHSDAW3JU6IOLQNTE/
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April 3, 2023 8:21am
Opie

Watched the cricket yesterday and was confused as to why Sri Lanka were playing aotearoa?

Spark even offered a broadcast in Maori. Bet they don’t release the viewing numbers.

Peak virtue signalling right there.

How’s all this working out for spark? Oh yea, they are folding. Go woke, go broke.

And the icing on the cake, as with all things that have a Maori name forced on them – they failed, losing to lowly ranked Sri Lanka in a super over.

The name of this country is New Zealand. You can’t just change it to whatever you want. What do you think it achieves? Virtue signaling morons.

To be fair, most playing yesterday wouldn’t make the New Zealand side normally but all the good players are playing the IPL.

Instantly cancelled my subscription as well. Not that it matters, there’s only 2 games left before they hand it over to TVNZ who I’m sure will try and further maorify cricket.

This is not a country I want to be in any more.
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April 3, 2023 8:24am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Sri Lanka didn’t play, Haranka did
  
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  April 3, 2023 11:02am
I remember when

Pamui updates its profit forecast:
The state farmer now expects a full year net operating profit of between $34m and $44m.
Its original forecast was $55.
The move was made in light of the impact of Cyclone Gabrielle on 24 of its farms, along with softer milk prices.
The annual increase to December 2022 in the farm expenses price index of 15% is more than double the consumer price index for that period.

This is in line with the New Plymouth District Council report comparing there increased costs with the consumer price index.
So there is still a considerable amount of inflation to slowly ‘drip feed’ into the consumer price index.
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April 3, 2023 8:24am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  Why does the government own a farm company?
  
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  April 3, 2023 10:56am
  - Matt Long
    
    So they can show farmers how to do woke properly, hint, it doesn’t include financial performance.
    
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    April 3, 2023 3:19pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Michael Bassett understands this Labour Government’s inability to perform:

I won’t dwell on how it was that during nine years in opposition (2008-2017) Labour MPs had done so little thinking, and were policy-bereft, except to observe that the paucity of talent in Labour’s caucus became painful to watch…..

Given that educational standards in schools and universities have fallen precipitously in recent years, maybe we shouldn’t be surprised by the current inability to make decisions and move programmes forward…..

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/michael-bassett-labour-and-its-out-of-control-bureaucracy
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April 3, 2023 8:27am
- cmm
  
  Well why do all that hard thinking stuff when you don’t need to and it doesn’t change how much you’re getting paid?
  Let’s face it, most of them were grifters happy to take the taxpayer’s coin for no work.
  
  They were not really expecting to “win” the election with 26% Andy in the driver’s seat. So why do all that bothersome policy stuff?
  
  I think Andy was perfectly happy where he was. LOP brings in the came as a Minister for zero extra responsibilities. Sounds like that was the sweet spot for him.
  
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  April 3, 2023 9:03am
  - Tricati
    
    And the 100’s of working groups and consultants they engaged when Winston picked them are testament to how lazy there where in opposition.
    The millions spent on these groups has amounted to nothing, apart from separatist policies, and now they say they are scrapping most (except the separatist policies) to get back to a bread & butter approach to address public concerns. They truly are bloody useless.
    
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    April 3, 2023 9:41am
    - Widogast Corwin
      
      Look at Kiwibuild. They literally had no plan about how to do it.
      
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      April 3, 2023 10:59am
      - Chris Nisbet
        
        If memory serves, Twyford said they were going to hit the ground running.
        Hit the ground with a splat, more like.
        
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        April 3, 2023 11:58am
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        The thing with Twyford is that he actually seemed kind of likeable compared to his colleagues. Just totally out of his depth.
        
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        April 3, 2023 1:59pm
krazykiwi

Regardless of what they say, the World Health Organisation (WHO) is coming after national sovereignty.

Democracies and healthy societies are built on rationality and honesty. They may not always exhibit this, but these values must underpin major decisions. Without them, neither democracy nor justice is sustainable. In their absence, these foundations are replaced by a structure in which a few dictate to the many, and the excesses of feudalism, slavery or fascism rise to dominance. This is why so many fought so hard and for so long in defence of these ideals. People in democratic countries elect representatives to the privileged position of guardians of their freedom.
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The draft treaty creates what it calls a ‘One Health’ approach – a nebulous concept describing a highly collectivised global mechanism overseen by the WHO. If the treaty comes to be, emergency decision-making power will be placed in the hands of a single person, the WHO Director General. Signatory countries will then be obliged to follow orders.

Labour supports this. National has not indicated any willingness to oppose it. Our sovereignty is being dismembered.
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April 3, 2023 8:30am
- Nickc2
  
  WHO, WEF, what’s next, OWG (One World Govt)?
  
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  April 3, 2023 9:01am
- pussycat
  
  It is not surprising given Bill gates is a major funder of WHO. Gates stands to gain hugely if WHO is given
  this power.
  
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  April 3, 2023 12:59pm
Paulus

In today’s BOP Herald edition the front cover and part next page is given to a young lady who is now a recpient of Trikafta – a drug which keeps her alive.
The picture shows her high over New York where she is in training to be an airline attendant.
She missed AirNZ due to pandemic.
My question is the the cost we are told is $330,000 per year for which she and others are recipients.
Great, I have no problem in the drug and Pharmac.
But once she is qualified she will start as a junior domestic attendent probably in the USA.
A very poorly paid job.
Why is she not to pay any New Zealand Tax towards her great fortune unless he get back to AirNZ here where she will pay PAYE like the rest of us, where applicable.
Why New York to train ?
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April 3, 2023 8:30am
Maggie Pie

Rumors circulating that Herald-senior-writer Simon Wilson is mulling over idea… “of gluing little pictures of fellow journalist and KiwiBank New Zealander of the Year Shaneel Lal on the urinals” so people could “pee on him” 😀

https://twitter.com/Legsakimbo3/status/1642330290453622787
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April 3, 2023 8:31am
- Cassandra
  
  Brilliant. One of Simon W alongside pretty good idea too.
  
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  April 3, 2023 8:36am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    No, it’s not brilliant. It’s idiotic. It plays precisely into the trans activists’ strategy of making themselves out to be victims of crude cis white male bigotry, bravely seeking to resist the oppressive patriarchy. This is exactly how they’ve succeeded in getting self-avowed feminists onside in their campaign to silence and dismiss women’s concerns about their own safety, comfort and dignity. Green MPs have been led into this trap by the nose and with dreary predictability, but we don’t have to follow them
    
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    April 3, 2023 10:25am
- pdm
  
  What an uncouth embarrassment to mankind this fellow Shaneel Lal is.
  
  Surely it is an indictment on Kiwibank and it’s Judges that he won any award whatsoever.
  
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  April 3, 2023 8:38am
  - Nickc2
    
    It’s also an indication of where this Govt has taken us with its social engineering policies and our lame approach to Law and Order by our Police and Judiciary.
    
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    April 3, 2023 8:44am
  - sirknz
    
    We prefer ‘Peoplekind’.
    
    – Justin Castro-Trudeau
    
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    April 3, 2023 8:45am
  - All_on_Red
    
    If you wish to record your displeasure I suggest you email info@nzawards.org.nz and tell them how stupid they were not to look at Lal’s Twitter feed
    It certainly is a cesspool of hate
    
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    April 3, 2023 8:58am
    - Tricati
      
      Thanks for the link – will do
      
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      April 3, 2023 10:15am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Flat out deleting tweets like a lizard drinking 😛
    
    https://twitter.com/trustcott/status/1642453151994507266
    
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    April 3, 2023 9:02am
    - All_on_Red
      
      She’s a great example of Toxic Masculinity.
      
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      April 3, 2023 9:15am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    “Mankind”!!!!!
    
    I would say something else but would be drummed out the brownies.
    
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    April 3, 2023 9:09am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Seems it thinks swearing all the time makes you tough. I swear, but not like this thing does. I will not say he or she, because I don’t want to get it wrong.
    
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    April 3, 2023 9:48am
  - Tricati
    
    I really feel for those hard working PHD students, or young entrepreneurs, looking to add value to society and we end up ‘recognizing’ an activist like Lal.
    Something is fundamentally wrong with NZ if the like of his elk are promoted through awards like this.
    
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    April 3, 2023 10:14am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, Shanee’s language is appalling and the words should be pasted on the doors of every Kiwibank.
  
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  April 3, 2023 8:47am
- Maggie Pie
  
  But not an original idea by any means Chuck…..
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/10/auckland-mayoral-candidate-wayne-brown-caught-on-camera-saying-he-wants-to-glue-pictures-of-prick-journalist-on-urinals-so-people-can-pee-on-him.html
  
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  April 3, 2023 8:52am
- Albert_Ross
  
  If this is true, then women who just want a civil conversation really don’t need friends like this. This sort of action is exactly what Lal wants.
  
  It allows it to continue to claim to be a cruelly oppressed martyr and to portray anybody who disagrees as a crude thug. It gives perfect cover for fully equipped men to say they can’t possibly be expected to use the men’s toilets and so must be allowed to use the women’s, whatever women may think. It is in fact an own goal scored by somebody who shouldn’t even be in the match
  
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  April 3, 2023 8:58am
NeverMindTheBollocks

And another one falls … too much partying & not enough attention to the day job?

Sanna Marin defeated by Finland’s conservatives in tight race https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65157357
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April 3, 2023 8:32am
slightlyrighty

Regardless of what you think of the legal standing of the indictment of Trump, or of Trump himself, you always knew that whatever the decision, Trump would turn the situation to his advantage.

If the Jury had come back with no call to indict, Trump would have claimed that as vindication, and used it to build support.

He is now claiming victimisation, and using it to fundraise.
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April 3, 2023 8:36am
Gravelroad

The Kiwibank New Zealander or the Year concept is now a farce.
It has lost all respectability.
What on earth were they thinking?
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April 3, 2023 8:50am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Kiwibank is irrelevant. Ignore everything they say or do.
  
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  April 3, 2023 8:54am
  - lifesgood
    
    Heading in to close my account this morning. I will take great pleasure in doing so.
    
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    April 3, 2023 9:25am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Yes, I’m doing the same thing. My hope is there will be a “Why are you close your account?” question in there somewhere.
      
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      April 3, 2023 10:43am
  - Jack5
    
    Go Woke go Broke – what the Hell is Kiwibank thinking?
    
    The lead award in the on-line announcements, just before Lal, is Rangi Matamatua, “Kiwibank New Zealander of the year”, who has been lead promoter of Matariki.
    
    The award is described as: “The most prestigious national award honouring people for their contribution to the wellbeing of our country.”
    
    Lal is billed as “University of Canterbury Young New Zealander of the Year”, though the awards as a whole are Kiwibank New Zealander of the Year awards.
    
    This is the introductory paragraph about Lal:
    
    “As New Zealand celebrated 50 years of Pride in Aotearoa, Shaneel Lal was on the frontlines – igniting the country in a successful battle to end Conversion Therapy.”
    
    It’s timely to recall that the 2021 Kiwibank New Zealander of the Year was Siouxsie Wiles, of Covid renown, at least in NZ.
    
    https://nzawards.org.nz/news/aotearoa-these-are-your-2023-award-winners/
    
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    April 3, 2023 9:51am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Just another company with leaders too scared to call out the ridiculous woke bullshit eating out their children’s futures.
      
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      April 3, 2023 2:41pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  They weren’t, they were following the ordered narrative from up high.
  
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  April 3, 2023 8:55am
- Nickc2
  
  Only perverts can tell you what perverts think.
  
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  April 3, 2023 8:56am
- Taieri
  
  The Kiwibank New Zealander or the Year concept is now a farce
  ————-
  
  Has it ever been anything but a farce?
  The whole concept of “New Zealander of the Year” is a farce. Check the website, there’re quite a few categories.
  
  https://nzawards.org.nz/about/
  
  Not forgetting the judges of course. One name in particular is striking here:
  
  Meng Foon – Head Judge
  
  https://nzawards.org.nz/category-judging/
  
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  April 3, 2023 9:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Do they have a site in English?
    
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    April 3, 2023 9:52am
DimChappie

You can tell Kiwibank what you think of their choice of Shaneel Lal as Young New Zealander of the Year here (I could not post a screenshot of his foul language for some reason):

https://www.facebook.com/KiwibankNZ/
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April 3, 2023 9:00am
MCōs

On morning report Mark Mitchell inferred that a National Government would tell the judges to impose harsher sentences.
Without changing the law that’s interfering with the judiciary, I would have thought, no matter how popular the sentiment.
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April 3, 2023 9:16am
- Libertarians are right
  
  So I guess the way they would tell the judges is through legislation then?
  
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  April 3, 2023 9:19am
  - MCōs
    
    Quite right
    
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    April 3, 2023 10:33am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Then why didn’t you say that instead of spinning it so National look bad
      Oh wait…
      
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      April 3, 2023 12:39pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Although not a lot different to a Labor Government telling the judges to free Pacifika is it tho Cossie, no matter how unpopular the sentiment?
  
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  April 3, 2023 9:26am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    And don’t we want a National government to be better than that, rather than just as bad in different ways?
    
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    April 3, 2023 9:38am
- Chris R
  
  This is the exact opposite to what he said to Mike Hosking this morning.
  
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  April 3, 2023 9:33am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Not sure but they may get yo have their day on their priorities going forward once there is a change of government, clearly there was a change in judicial punishment when Labour came in
  
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  April 3, 2023 9:43am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Interviewer tried very hard to get Mark Mitchell to say that National would tell the judges what to do…
  but Mitchell did not fall into that trap..
  
  Mitchell clearly explained how Labour had sent signals to the Judges to impose light sentence… by repealing 3-strikes and by recommending Prison numbers fall by 30%.
  
  Mitchell stated that National would bring back 3 strikes.
  
  That’s all he said National would do.
  
  You can infer that that is interfering with the Judiciary… but it’s not telling the Judges what sentences to impose on any individual.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018884362/courts-increasingly-ignoring-police-opposition-to-bail-national
  
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  April 3, 2023 10:03am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    So he is yet another foot soldier sent to try and disrupt the Nats
    
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    April 3, 2023 10:22am
- Ehlana
  
  A National government would presumably be able to change the law though, wouldn’t it?
  
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  April 3, 2023 11:04am
Swifty

Salt of the earth Brits:

https://www.facebook.com/BBCArchive/videos/crisps/157519603822359/

Gotta love ‘em.
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April 3, 2023 9:20am
Chuck Bird

Building separate cycleways with concrete emits CO2. In many cases, very few use them in place of a car. I was using one recently for exercise. I wonder if anyone has done the math to see if they actually save CO2 emissions over time.
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April 3, 2023 9:26am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Analysis that critiques cycle lanes? Really, Chuck? After all this time?
  
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  April 3, 2023 9:42am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Whether they do or don’t save CO2 emissions, they definitely don’t do it in the most cost-efficient way. If you want to save a given amount of CO2, simply buy the equivalent amount of ETS allowances and shred them.
  
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  April 3, 2023 10:14am
BeaB

RNZ Mediawatch tells us the Posie Parker demo was a happy, peaceful affair and their two reporters didn’t see any trouble.
Perhaps they were standing safely on a balcony somewhere. Or they didn’t need to hide away because they were firmly on the side of the trans protestors and there was no river of filth to be terrified by.
Whatever. If Mediawatch says so it must be the truth. Right?
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April 3, 2023 9:31am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Mediawatch were around the corner with the Police, ready for the punchups to start so they could record manufactured ‘news.’
  
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  April 3, 2023 9:59am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  But hidden in plain sight in that article was a passing reference to some of the violence meted out to elderly attendees.
  
  At the more serious end of the scale, one video shows an elderly woman punched in the face after an altercation with what appears to be a counter-protester.
  
  and an attempt to justify another example of blatant physical abuse of an elderly man:
  
  A video clip of a man being shoved by a drag queen went viral among trans rights opponents.
  
  But it was shorn of context. The full video of the encounter shows the man grabbing a warden trying to keep protesters in line by the neck. The shove came afterward, as the drag queen tried to push him away from the scene of the attack.
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018883958/media-mismatch-on-an-out-of-control-mob
  
  The MSM can play down the violence that was meted out to a couple of elderly folk at the protest as much as they like… but the video evidence is clear…some folks at the protest were carrying out violent attacks on others.
  
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  April 3, 2023 10:42am
  - Ehlana
    
    Shorn of context pretty much describes much of the media coverage of the Posie Parker visit. There was no attempt to find out who the so-called Nazis present in Australia were, or why they were present, just a rush to label Posie Parker and her supporters as Nazis. There was also no attempt to explain the democratic tradition of free speech in parks which is part of the rich British cultural heritage of New Zealand.
    
    One thing I learned from attending the event was something our press should understand well – what you see and hear depends on where you are in the crowd and when, as well as how other people perceive you. People at the back and those not identifiable as Posie supporters may well have experienced a dance party. Those closer to the front or identifiable with Posie have lived experience that is significantly different.
    
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    April 3, 2023 11:44am
    - Widogast Corwin
      
      Neither was there any attempt to describe KJK’ views accurately.
      
      Let’s say you took a poll:
      
      1. Should biological men be able to compete in women’s sports?
      
      2. Should children be given hormones and surgery to change gender?
      
      3. Should people with a penis be allowed in women’s changing rooms at sports events, gyms, etc.
      
      If you answer NO to those questions, apparently you are a nazi.
      
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      April 3, 2023 2:20pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Wido-question 2 might be scoped better as
        
        Can a child give informed consent to medically and surgically transition gender when this means:
        1. taking drugs that will significantly increase their risk of suffering from cancers and heart disease within the next 10-15 years,
        2. change their genital development to an extent that they will never be able to experience sexual climax,
        3. severely impact their reproductive capability, which for many will result in an inability to have children,
        4. their gender dysphoria has never been properly assessed by a fully trained and competent psychiatrist,
        5. the majority of these children if left to develop into adulthood would grow-up no longer having gender dysphoria
        6. even if able to undergo gender reassignment surgery, will end up with non-functioning sexual organs incapable of excretion, reproduction or pleasure at costs of $100’s of thousands, and in the case of penis construction surgery they will have most of the muscles stripped off their forearm?
        
        Note: this information is from a recent Jordan Peterson podcast where he talks with a Psychiatrist that works with many gender dysphoric children and is blowing the whistle on the harm being done by the radical trans activist and big business American healthcare.
        
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        April 3, 2023 9:53pm
  - Prince
    
    Madiawatch is a joke, and should be at the front of the queue for defunding come November.
    
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    April 3, 2023 11:57am
- MCōs
  
  I listened to Mediawatch and I subsequently rang up my daughter who was at the protest.
  She told me the danger had been blown up out of all proportion, clearly by people who were not there.
  
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  April 3, 2023 10:44am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    And I spoke with two female friends who were their MCos, and both felt in danger. One was struck twice with a wooden pole (that had had the placard on it) by a looney counter protester. Both were physically pushed around by counter protesters when they explained they had come to listen to Parker speak. Neither of the two women felt that “the danger was blown up out of all proportion”. I guess it depends on whether you were dealing the violence or receiving it?
    
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    April 3, 2023 11:25am
    - All_on_Red
      
      That footage of that elderly woman being punched repeatedly in the face is just brutal.
      It was a riot the way they tore down the barriers and then attacked those women.
      
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      April 3, 2023 12:49pm
      - Taieri
        
        That footage of that elderly woman being punched repeatedly in the face is just brutal.
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        It was not a punch, it was an expression of Love…
        
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        April 3, 2023 1:05pm
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    “She told me the danger had been blown up out of all proportion, clearly by people who were not there.”
    
    What? Have you watched the several high quality videos of the event? It was live streamed FFS. How can you possibly believe that? Have you listened to the detailed eye witness accounts of people who were there?
    
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    April 3, 2023 2:16pm
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Why are you doing this, MCos? There’s no reason to doubt your daughter’s account of her own experience at the event, but she is not in a position to speak for everybody else’s.
    
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    April 3, 2023 2:26pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
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    April 3, 2023 9:55pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Mcos – when our boys were getting killed at Gallipoli the officers on the ships didn’t think things were going too badly. The people reading the news at home didn’t think things were going too badly either. While this situation is much lower level than a WWI battle you and your granddaughters ignorance have some similarities.
    
    Unlike the public during WWI you can access footage of violence being meted out to senior citizens from young thugs. You can witness the assault on Kelly-Jean. You can listen to her accounts of how her security and the police saved her life and the police kept her in protection until her departure because they were concerned for her safety. They wouldn’t have needed to do that if this had been the love fest that Chloe and your daughter are claiming.
    
    Further you can listen to the women that were there attending the Let Women Speak event. Many of them rang into The Platform the Monday following. So you can hear their account from the band rotunda. You cannot deny the terror they felt, nor the trauma in their voices.
    
    I’d be interested to hear your insight once you have watched and listened to all this footage of the actual event.
    
    Why would your daughter have such an inaccurate view of events? Perhaps she wasn’t really there, perhaps she was stationed out to sea with the officers?
    
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    April 3, 2023 10:59pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  BeaB – maybe they were like Tova who claimed she was there and didn’t see any violence.
  Turns out she was seen arriving at the location in an Uber, 30 minutes after the haters had hounded Parker out.
  
  Another media hack caught talking nonsense and twisting the truth.
  
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  April 3, 2023 11:30am
- RichardX
  
  I find reactions to the violence at Albert Park compared to the violence at the Capitol on Jan 6 remarkable.
  
  Is it possible to use a consistent standard for judging both situations?
  
  My view is that no amount of non violent footage from either event will negate or invalidate the footage showing violence or criminal actions at either event, irrespective of the individual or media outlet making that claim.
  
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  April 3, 2023 2:25pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s not a difficult concept:
    
    If you are dedicated to non-violent protests then you do not indulge in violence and you do not make excuses for those who are violent, whatever their persuasion.
    
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    April 3, 2023 2:40pm
    - RichardX
      
      Unfortunately that concept does not explain the inconsistent reactions that I can only attribute to partisan views.
      
      I believe there are people who view Jan 6 violence as bad but Albert Park violence was good, overstated or did not happen despite the evidence.
      
      I also believe there are people who view Albert Park violence as bad but Jan 6 violence was good, overstated or did not happen despite the evidence.
      
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      April 3, 2023 4:19pm
ClanMcleod

Thomas Cranmer carries on with their wonderful work, revealing the lies and abuses of this government during their responses to covid. The lies and abuses the mainstream media refuse to touch.

As part of New Zealand’s provisional approval of the Pfizer vaccine, the country’s regulator Medsafe prepared a Non-Clinical Assessment in January 2021 which concluded that:

the lipid nanoparticles were distributed through the body, mainly into the liver, adrenal glands, spleen and ovaries.

with regard to pregnancy, “although not directly addressable from the nonclinical data, there may be a basis in the current circumstances for concluding the risk of vaccination during pregnancy is outweighed by the potential benefits of immunity particularly for specific subpopulations at heightened risk.”

the proposed data sheet notes that there is limited experience in pregnant women and provides appropriately cautious advice that, “Administration of Comirnaty in pregnancy should only be considered when the potential benefits outweigh any potential risks for mother and fetus.”

Despite Medsafe’s assessment, the Medical Council issued guidance to all GPs in April 2021 which instructed doctors to only discuss the benefits of vaccination and warned that there “was no place for anti-vaccination messages in professional health practice, nor any promotion of anti-vaccination claims including on social media and advertising by health practitioners”.

https://cranmer.substack.com/p/revealed-nz-medsafes-safety-assessment

This jab was never “safe and effective”. Ardern, Hipkins, Bloomfield, Turner, Baker, Wiles etc etc all lied when they claimed it was. There was NO informed consent.

Medsafe considered this response from Pfizer to be “reasonable” but it did conclude that, “The proposed data sheet notes that there is limited experience in pregnant women and provides appropriately cautious advice that, ‘Administration of Comirnaty in pregnancy should only be considered when the potential benefits outweigh any potential risks for mother and fetus.’”

These jabs were pushed hardest on pregnant women among other groups. Yet even the Risk Management Plan on the Medsafe website says clearly:

Missing information refers to information on the safety of the medicinal product that is currently missing and needs to be collected (eg, on the long-term use of the medicine)Use in pregnancy and while breast feeding

Use in immunocompromised patients

Use in frail patients with co-morbidities (e.g. chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), diabetes, chronic neurological disease, cardiovascular disorders)

Use in patients with autoimmune or inflammatory disorders

Interaction with other vaccines

Long term safety data

They didn’t have the safety information for this experiment, yet all of these groups were the ones pushed hardest to take this it. How was this permitted?

It is no longer possible to deny that we were lied to and misinformed by Ardern and her cohorts. They lied when they said the jabs were safe and effective. The withheld critical safety information, knowingly and deliberately. This is malicious malfeasance for political goals.

This was never to do with health.

It’s past time for National or Act to call this out for what it is and was. They will have to swallow their pride and admit they got it wrong, but they will be forgiven for that. The first thing they need to do though is acknowledge it as the complete disaster that it was, then promise that nothing like it will ever be allowed to happen again.
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April 3, 2023 9:34am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Now we all know why Jaspinda headed for the hills.
  Saw the danger on the horizon! She has never said “SORRY” in her life.
  
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  April 3, 2023 10:01am
- Phronesis
  
  Seems like a pretty big first mover advantage to me. Act and National can legitimately claim that they didn’t have access to the same level of expertise and advice. They can effectively spin it that they were lied to along with the public of NZ. The first of the two to move on this could pickup around 5% support, mostly from fringe or non voters I suspect.
  
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  April 3, 2023 10:13am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Phronesis – it could be even more than that, remember, over 30% of the NZ adult population supported the protesters in Wellington.
    
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    April 3, 2023 10:36am
- mawm
  
  There was no testing for teratogenesis let alone the standard pathway drugs go through for safety in pregnancy. On that basis alone they should never have been given to pregnant women.
  
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  April 3, 2023 1:08pm
Surely Knott

Looks like “cimate change” and climate scientists are on the back burner and metereologists and el nino patterns are now the cause of weather again.

NZHerald mid 2023: NZ’s coldest winter in years is because of El Nino says *meteorolgist. *

NZ Herald Jan 2023. Scorcher: 2022 was NZ’s hottest year on record, *climate scientist* says,.
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April 3, 2023 9:57am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  “NZ’s hottest year on record”
  They always make it sound like such a bad thing.
  I’m in no rush to make the place colder than it already is.
  
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  April 3, 2023 2:04pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  It’s been getting warmer for the last approx 14000 years (with some wobbles up and down on the way). It’s called an interglacial. Nothing new. As you were.
  
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  April 3, 2023 2:45pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…

I see where the ‘Upper Hutt Mall’ has been voted 10/10….as the saddest place to visit in Wellington.

Isn’t that milkey’s Hood? 😀
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April 3, 2023 10:00am
- Tricati
  
  Isn’t that where the ‘Man from the Hutt’ PM comes from.
  
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  April 3, 2023 10:18am
  - BeaB
    
    Too much jabber from the Hutt.
    
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    April 3, 2023 10:40am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Naenae, Stokes Valley, Taita. More tinny houses per capita than anywhere else in NZ. I guess it keeps the Hutt competitive with the rest of Wellington in jobs and GDP.
    
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    April 3, 2023 11:32am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      I think you’ll find those suburbs are encompassed by the salubrious urbanity that is Hutt Minor.
      
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      April 3, 2023 9:07pm
- MCōs
  
  NZ malls are depressing places in general.
  I’ve been to a couple of hospitals in Bangkok that are more cheerful.
  That wouldn’t include the one I went to with my wife once. While she was being seen and I was out in the waiting area area four chaps sat next to me handcuffed together.
  
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  April 3, 2023 10:57am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You never get to the ‘Nana Plaza’ then Cossie?
    
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    April 3, 2023 11:29am
    - Ra Henare
      
      Maggie,
      Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy both shitholes these days.
      I take tourists there couple of times a year.
      Now surrounded by Cannabis shops, pushing it further in to shithole territory
      
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      April 3, 2023 12:06pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Going to the mall for me is like a hostage extraction mission in a radioactive war zone (not that I’ve ever done that). Get in and out with the target item in lightening speed. 😬
    
    It’s all horrible in those places.
    
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    April 3, 2023 4:25pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  The whole of Upper Hutt has been a shit hole forever Maggie, so there is no surprise that its mall is bloody awful.
  
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  April 3, 2023 11:28am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Comment from yesterdays Stop Co-Governance Blog:

Orm the Viking on April 2, 2023 at 1:43 pm
“The lunatics are out and about again causing mayhem again”

I wonder if anyone in the government actually has any idea of the very real consequences of continuing to pander to the fertile imaginations of the lunatic fringe.

Prime Minister Hipkins speaks to us as if we are all just naive schoolchildren, which is exactly the same methodology that Jacinda used to achieve her goals.
Nothing much has changed then has it, same old bullshit using the same patronising tone.

We are constantly reminded of our failure to understand simple politics and policy which the government continues to tell us is in our best interests. This includes but is not limited to creating personal and legal identities for mountains and man hating anti violence ministers telling us that all white males are violent, whilst she participates in and endorses a violent protest against women.

Does this minister not realise what she is actually saying or is it just us the great unwashed who fail to grasp the ludicrous concepts she is pushing.

We are constantly reminded of how worthless and insensitive we are to the needs of the lunatic fringe. We are also constantly forced fed Maori language and culture based on pure guilt for supposed past transgressions, so evil and vile that we must atone and bow to the demands of these delinquents who insist that mountains are actually people with a male perspective and voice.

Now if I may be permitted at this juncture to quote a recent publication by Iwi leaders explaining how Maori actually see themselves.

“All Maori tribes regard themselves as part of the universe at one with and equal to the mountains, the rivers and the seas”

I simply had no idea we mere mortals were in the presence of such greatness and obviously a superior intellect and race, who transcend and surpass our beliefs in scientific and geological fact on such a scale.

Perhaps this is what Chris Hipkins is trying to tell us, that we are simply incapable of understanding such a fertile mindset. Should we all bow our heads in shame and prostrate our self’s at the feet of such an enlightened people, who wish for only one thing and that is a simple partnership.

Presumably this partnership will lead us all to a new life of fulfilment in a new prosperous and harmonious society based on such things as mountains that can speak to us and have feelings, which must not be upset or we will risk insulting the family representatives as well.

Sorry Chris – I am simply not buying what you are selling and no amount of sugar coating will change my view point based on simple reality. Call me simple, but I just can’t get my head around a partnership with anyone who believes rocks have feelings.
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April 3, 2023 10:32am
- kevn
  
  @SteveO… I did wonder what Mt Ruapehu had to say recently. Much the same story I imagine.
  
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  April 3, 2023 10:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Better ask Ngāti Whātua-o-Ōrākei wtf Rangitoto is waffling on about.
    
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    April 3, 2023 11:09am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Ruapehu? I think Ngāti Tūwharetoa are playing the waiting game.
    See, a lot of the rocks down there are very porous and float around on water. I have never heard them say anything. I used to go down to my Parent’s place in Turangi.
    
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    April 3, 2023 11:26am
- Rich Prick
  
  I’m not sure talking to mountains is a sign of sanity. Especially when they start talking back.
  
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  April 3, 2023 11:19am
- Bob
  
  Hipkins speaks to us as if we are all just naive schoolchildren…….
  Like Ardern before him, this speaking at ‘schoolchild level to us’ is indicative of his cognitive development
  
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  April 3, 2023 12:27pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Vote for teenage activists. Get mayhem.
  
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  April 3, 2023 3:03pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Neil Oliver. A storm is coming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5C41s3TrFY&list=TLPQMDIwNDIwMjOFjA73dsglZw&index=3
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April 3, 2023 10:34am
- mawm
  
  This interview by James Delingpole of Neil Oliver is a hoot.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0Y24Kw_dqo
  
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  April 3, 2023 1:13pm
Paulus

Why would you want to be the Government in October, as where would you start to even understand the lies and cheating that are apparent in this shambolic current Government.
Going to rquire some collective and imaginative brainpower.
Yes, I support Luxon, having the world wide experience to lead a good team of people who are not political “innuenda”, and have experience outside the Wellington beltway.
They already have the makings of a good TEAM and more will follow, despite Luxon being accused of being wrong because he is bald.
ps. so am I !
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April 3, 2023 10:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I still say Luxon is a good manager.
  A Leader? Not so much.
  
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  April 3, 2023 11:11am
  - BeaB
    
    I think we’ve had more than enough of ‘leadership’. Oratory, charisma and surface glamour may appeal to some but what NZ needs now is competent management – to dump the rubbish, balance the books and build for the future.
    I’d put my money on Luxon to do that.
    
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    April 3, 2023 12:11pm
artemisia

A ‘top economist’ says it is an outrage if rich people get universal super. Oh well, they probably don’t need it but if they feel unwanted there are plenty of other countries that will open their arms for them, their families and their assets. As France discovered with their short lived wealth tax.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/04/superannuation-age-debate-flares-over-future-of-pension-call-for-it-to-be-raised-to-70-not-given-to-rich.html
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April 3, 2023 10:53am
- Prince
  
  ‘Top economist’ !
  He’s the bloke who told us Labour’s shadow budget in 2017 was kosher, no need to borrow more.
  5 Years later, $100B more in debt.
  To paraphrase a song, ‘Another day older and $71M in debt.’
  This guy has no credibility, but expect him to pop up from his highly paid consultancy job to support Labour’s jiggery pokery this year.
  
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  April 3, 2023 11:35am
- Ra Henare
  
  Top idiot would be a better description.
  
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  April 3, 2023 12:08pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  He’s the chap that used to bleat on about the advantages of renting and never wasting your money on owning a house.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/rent-dont-buy-says-economist/MP2TXZUW4XY75NXXR7ADLDM7FI/
  
  He changed his mind when the realities of life hit him and he had a kid to provide for.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/94966044/shamubeel-eaqub-ive-bought-a-house-at-last
  
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  April 3, 2023 12:45pm
  - Yabster
    
    a socialist economist – and a bad one at that.
    
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    April 3, 2023 2:38pm
  - Bobba Fret
    
    Snap Maggie! I just put same article up!
    
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    April 3, 2023 2:43pm
- Bobba Fret
  
  You should not use the words ‘Top economist’ and ‘Shamubeel Eaqub’ in the same sentence.
  This is the economist who back around 2012 wrote the article it was better to rent in Auckland than to buy (and then shortly afterwards bought his own house.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/economist-says-its-cheaper-to-rent/D7PCIGBDUA3B3AE2JOZKNH6RNE/
  
  The article hasn’t dated well.
  
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  April 3, 2023 2:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/psa-president-benedict-ferguson-below-held-to-account-for-sponsoring-terror/

New Zealand: Julian Batchelor Vs. speech cancelling thugs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YupQlDxgPLs
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April 3, 2023 10:57am
Jack5

Jacinda Ardern’s mate, Sanna Marin, has been voted out as Prime Minister of Finland.

Will Jacinda and Sanna compete for similar jobs with the UN?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finlands-marin-faces-tough-re-election-bid-national-election-2023-04-01/
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April 3, 2023 11:19am
- stiff cheese
  
  Jacinda will be parachuted into a comfy job by her chums at the WEF, UN and Blackrock.
  
  Remember when she went to the Blackrock Office in New York? It was billed as a ‘side trip’. How did NZ benefit? I don’t think we were told.
  Auntie Helen will put in a good word for her at the UN.
  
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  April 3, 2023 1:27pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Rumours in Diplomatic circles have it that she will replace Grahame Morton as NZ Ambassador to China in the very near future.
    What do you think Mahuta went to China for eh?
    
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    April 3, 2023 2:03pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    As Blackrock manages much of NZ’s Superannuation Fund, perhaps she had been summonsed to their H.O. to be told that it was time for her to take a hike.
    
    https://www.iod.org.nz/news/articles/stakeholder-capitalism-defended-in-blackrocks-2022-ceo-letter/#
    
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    April 3, 2023 2:55pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Excellent news. Wee Justin next hopefully.
  
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  April 3, 2023 3:05pm
- Matt Long
  
  Well, and there I was convinced that party girls, DJs and children had an inate ability to know best how to run countries and Gore district council.
  
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  April 3, 2023 3:32pm
Maggie Pie

Just been chatting to my partner’s mum. She’s fuming!

Apparently, a number of who she called ‘lefty-academics’ phoning into ZB’s Kerry Woodham this morning, were calling for ‘Means Testing’ of Super.

As ma said…. “They wouldn’t have a f**ing clue. What do they think people do with the money when they get it?
It’s taxed 20% at source, leaving say seven hundy+ change every fortnite.
She’s got a standing order with Liqourland for about that same amount delivered twice a month. Reckons with tax on alcohol @60% , and by the time she fills her car 98, the thieving b*astards have taken back every cent anyway”

(Add in gst on everything else and she’s probably not wrong you know.)
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April 3, 2023 11:25am
- Ra Henare
  
  Just a small correction Maggie.
  Super is taxed at the appropriate rate for someones income.
  
  So here is something for your Ma to Ponder.
  I get my Super with NO TAX deducted….LOL
  
  AND
  Live very comfortably with that as a Single Bloke.
  Beers every night and eat out a lot.
  
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  April 3, 2023 12:11pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Do you live anywhere near remmers, Ra?
    
    Asking for a close friend.
    
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    April 3, 2023 12:42pm
    - Ra Henare
      
      Na Maggie, better taste than that!!!! LOL
      
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      April 3, 2023 1:36pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Surely you could go up there for a wee holiday and take Maggie Pie’s friend out for a beersie….
        
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        April 3, 2023 2:57pm
krazykiwi

This an excellent video summary of the ‘official’ position on masks, and the sudden flip-flip on 6th June.

Here’s the WHO published guidance on 5th June

“Many countries have recommended the use of fabric masks/face coverings for the general public. At the present time, the widespread use of masks by healthy people is the community is not yet supported by high quality or direct scientific evidence.”

Then, less than 24 hours later the WHO Secretary General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus broadcasts the following plea:

In light of evolving evidence, WHO advises the governments should encourage the general public to wear masks where there is widespread transmission and physical distancing is difficult such as public transport and shops or in other confined of crowded environments.

Science was abused for political gain.

Never forget.
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April 3, 2023 11:26am
- Che Guava
  
  There are only two possible explanations. Either there was dishonesty underlying this and the many other similar contradictions and flip-flops; or alternatively, they were wrong about their earlier claims. Either way, the conclusion is that they have no right whatsoever to demand complete assent to their claims and their policies. Anyone claiming to be the “single source of truth” must necessarily be factually correct 100% of the time with no exceptions.
  
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  April 3, 2023 1:00pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Blue surgical masks; 3% effective.
  
  N95 “properly fitted” (as in hermetically glued to the face of a test dummy); 46% effective.
  
  Social distancing and ventilation much more effective at much lower societal cost.
  
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  April 3, 2023 3:08pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And it seems no-one remembers that sunlight (UV) is a pretty damn good virus killer.
    
    Remember those poor folks locked into isolation hotel rooms for 23 hours/day…and those admonitions not to go to the beach.
    
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10462731/Bizarre-exercise-arrangements-New-Zealand-hotel-quarantine.html
    
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    April 3, 2023 4:53pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Sunlight and ventilation – nature’s disinfectant
      
      What IQ do the people still wearing masks at the following locations have?
      
      1. In their car alone
      2. At the beach
      3. On their bike or scooter
      4. Walking down the street
      
      In the spirit of the Darwin awards, we should sell them a mask made from a plastic bag.
      
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      April 3, 2023 10:07pm
grumpy

Looks like the world is tiring of Jacinda and her mates. Only Trudeau left to go now…,,
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11930743/Finlands-Party-PM-Sanna-Marin-faces-unseated-right-wing-coalition-general-election.html
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April 3, 2023 11:27am
Prince

When the liberal NZ media pontificate on the wonderful things Ardern did during Covid, as they will this week, they might take a moment to consider how she could borrow upwards of $100B during her 5 years, and not apparently scare the Global Economic horses.
They might consider the efforts of Key/English to steer us out of the GCF, and turn back the deep-seated deficits that Cullen gave us.
They might also consider how the 6 year Labour Govt have left NZ Aotearoa today, financially and socially.
Listening to Morning Report News bulletin this morning was a sad indictment on Labour, particularly in Health, Education and the Economy.
But the question remains – What have they done with the $100B borrowing ? Where has all the money gone ?
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April 3, 2023 11:28am
- Dougal10
  
  The money has been trousered and put into housing.
  
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  April 3, 2023 1:58pm
ClanMcleod

How to deal with the whole gender id circus. Ridicule it at every opportunity, don’t get angry, laugh.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/bearded-male-powerlifter-self-identifies-woman-protest-destroys-womens-powerlifting-record

A bearded, clearly male power lifter destroyed the “women’s” record by taking advantage of idiotic law changes in Canada that allows people to identify as anything they like. No matter whether they have had surgery or any other form of treatment to make an actual change.

Even better, the former record holder, a male who transitioned to female, was in the front row watching when it happened. 🚺😂😂😂
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April 3, 2023 11:39am
- Rich Prick
  
  Too funny, a bloke taking the women’s record off another bloke. And that bloke was not happy about it.
  
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  April 3, 2023 11:44am
- thirteenstars
  
  Just fantastic. What’s the objection to this bloke participating? That he’s just faking self-identifying as a woman to make a point?
  
  Who says he’s faking? And even if he is, why is that not as valid as identifying as a woman today but tomorrow identifying as a man? Isn’t that the whole point of self-id: that no one else gets to tell you what you are?
  
  A couple of years ago, parodied by South Park:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URz-RYEOaig
  
  Just beautiful, but we’re all living in their asylum, and if you try to talk about it publicly in places like NZ, you get your face punched in.
  
  Shame on the NZ Police. Dereliction of duty and outright cowardice in the face of violence towards women.
  
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  April 3, 2023 11:55am
- emmess
  
  Womanface is very offensive
  
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  April 3, 2023 8:24pm
Jack5

A Maori activist tries to bring Papal declarations from five or six centuries ago into the race debate in NZ.

The nub of the rant, of course, is that obscure Maori activists want to grab Catholic church property in NZ.

And Stuff will provide a platform …

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/131672474/rejection-of-catholic-conquest-and-white-supremacy-law-not-enough-advocate?cx_testId=12&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=5&cx_experienceId=EXE6G6ISTGR0#cxrecs_s
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April 3, 2023 11:41am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I don’t recall that Catholicism was forced upon Maori.
  
  I thought that folks up North were pretty damn keen on the first priests and Bishops.
  
  https://teara.govt.nz/en/catholic-church/print#:~:text=The%20Catholic%20Church%20in%20New,the%20Middle%20East%20and%20Africa.
  
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  April 3, 2023 3:07pm
thirteenstars

Posie Parker’s article in The Spectator, Fear and Loathing in New Zealand:

…I’ve stopped expecting mercy from anyone whose motto is ‘Be kind’ but the event last week was terrifying. I was sure in that moment, on the New Zealand leg of my ‘Let Women Speak’ tour, that the trans activists who surrounded me would trample me to death if they could. They gather in menacing groups to intimidate us and hurt us if they can, just to prevent us speaking a simple truth: that women don’t have penises, men don’t have vaginas, there is no such thing as non-binary and transitioning children is abuse.
…
That day I was told emphatically by each police officer and security that had I fallen I would have been killed. Women were injured that day, women who you may never hear about. You will never know their names. They didn’t get to hop on a plane and leave; they have to stay and live in a country that has told them their lives are not worth protecting.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/fear-and-loathing-in-new-zealand/
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April 3, 2023 11:44am
I remember when

Call to debate facts not ideology on live exports: Rural News.
Recent cyclones have put a massive hit on our infrastructure and productive sector.
It may, for example, be years before our pipfruit industry recovers.
Can NZ afford to turn its back on annual export income of $400-500 million?
The government live export ban comes into full effect on 30 April this year.
The global live cattle trade will continue from countries, and exporters, with lower animal standards filling the gap.
We’ve also lost the ability to have influence, via commercial relationships, over the welfare of exported animals after they’ve arrived in countries such as China.
If we were still involved, our high standards would push others into lifting their game.
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April 3, 2023 11:47am
Maggie Pie

I see Fox banners saying McDonalds are shutting all their US offices temporarily to discuss layoffs. Thousands face losing jobs.

People with knowledge saying it’s a direct result of the minimum wage being raised to $15ph for unskilled labor.

Their fries are shit anyway.
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April 3, 2023 12:06pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  When we went to Hawaii a few years ago, the girls in thdd Ed bars did not want Min wage to rise too much, they knew they may lose their jobs, they were only on about $12 an hour, but they got more than double in tips
  
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  April 3, 2023 1:47pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    A lot different here isn’t it. My partner tried giving the girl at the KFC Drive-thru a $10 tip once….she went all red, shook her head and handed it back!
    
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    April 3, 2023 2:24pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Robots can now take your order and make the Burgers and Fries…
  
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  April 3, 2023 3:01pm
Chuck Bird

Did anyone else see and item on the news last night where a woman sought by the police is a man convicted of murder?
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April 3, 2023 12:08pm
- Che Guava
  
  Tragi-comic stuff.
  
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  April 3, 2023 12:11pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Yes
  
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  April 3, 2023 12:14pm
- Ghost
  
  As opposed to the large majority of other killers who aren’t trans in nz prisons?
  
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  April 3, 2023 12:18pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Did anybody suggest otherwise?
    
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    April 3, 2023 12:30pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Story in NZ Herald… ZB News…
  
  https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/crime/dangerous-wanted-74yo-south-auckland-pensioner-bronwyn-warwick-still-missing/
  
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  April 3, 2023 12:25pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Thanks Maggy.
    
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    April 3, 2023 12:34pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Another trans being violent, oh my!
    
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    April 3, 2023 2:13pm
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300845462/thousands-of-nurses-are-jumping-across-the-ditch
From the article:
“A Melbourne medical recruiter told RNZ short-term contracts ranged from about $3500 to about $8000 Australian dollars a week, depending on factors including seniority, expertise and the length of the contract.

The money included allowances, such as for working in a remote location.

Contracts started at about four weeks and went to about 18 months, and nurses had the ability to visit home during that time, she said.”
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April 3, 2023 12:21pm
BeaB

Here’s a thought to cheer you up. We pay Marama Davidson around $700 a day, every single day of the year.
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April 3, 2023 12:30pm
Suze Wainwright

I see Elizabeth Kerekere has moved up the Greens’ list (richly deserved) and Golriz has actually moved down.

I could only take the Greens seriously under a Menendez-March / Logie ticket though…
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April 3, 2023 12:43pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Green Party is transitioning away from the Environment into Identity politics.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/04/election-2023-greens-initial-list-revealed-the-outsider-ranked-ahead-of-current-mp-where-efeso-collins-sits.html
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April 3, 2023 1:01pm
- Taieri
  
  Green Party is transitioning away from the Environment into Identity politics
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  Transitioning? It hasn’t been an environmental party for a number of years now. At least since Fitzsimons and Donald’s days…
  
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  April 3, 2023 1:15pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The Gisborne-Hawkes Bay District has just experienced one of the worst Environmental disasters I’ve witnessed in my life-time.
    
    I’ve not heard or read anything from Our local Green MP Dr Elizabeth Kerekere about the disaster (apart from a couple of tweets on her facebook immediately after the storms).
    
    Her sole focus seems to be Rainbow politics.
    
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    April 3, 2023 3:16pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    NZ politics needs a RealGreeNZ party, focused on environment without the racist+marxist far-left agenda. Bet that would hurt Greens at the ballot box.
    
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    April 3, 2023 3:49pm
- mandk
  
  What, you mean Golriz Ghahraman isn’t intersectional enough any more?
  
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  April 3, 2023 1:42pm
  - Nickc2
    
    The Greens are stacking their list with those who claim to be of Maori descent.
    IMO, this is the work of Marama Davidson.
    Watch out James, you are apparently of the wrong sex and colour. Your job’s in jeopardy mate.
    
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    April 3, 2023 1:52pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Maybe she would move him on if she wasn’t so scared of his violence.
      
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      April 3, 2023 10:12pm
Maggie Pie

Talking of Maccas – who would want to put up with this shite for $15 an hour?

https://twitter.com/crazyclipsonly/status/1642590216941711360

Tried to open an outlet in Remmers a few years ago…over 20k objections 😀
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April 3, 2023 1:08pm
- MCōs
  
  Reminds me of when I was working on the access the Stadium years ago in Wellington.
  All the lawyers and judges and similar privileged members of society objected to access around that side in case the rowdy classes walked amoung them.
  A few years later when they found just how far they had to walk to their corporate boxes they had a change of heart and made inquiries about an extra access . . . . .
  Never happened
  
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  April 3, 2023 4:05pm
Swifty

I read the writing of someone the other day in relation to Blacks in the US – they wrote “Once you’ve wrecked the family, law and order and education, there’s nothing you can possibly do in other policy areas to make up for that.”

Hell, that could have been written about the NZ Labour Party.
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April 3, 2023 1:19pm
Taieri

The top 10 most unreliable EVs are as follows, according to Consumer Reports via Drive Tesla Canada:

Hyundai Kona Electric
Chevrolet Bolt EUV
Chevrolet Bolt
Tesla Model X
Polestar 2
Jaguar I-Pace
Porsche Taycan
Tesla Model S
Audi e-Tron
Rivian R1T

https://insideevs.com/news/655512/tesla-model-s-x-consumer-reports-unreliable-evs/

Care to comment Dr Mapp?
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April 3, 2023 1:28pm
- Nickc2
  
  That about covers the field with the exception of KIA, doesn’t it?
  I wouldn’t have an EV in a fit!
  
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  April 3, 2023 1:58pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    Let’s hope our representatives (lol) in parliament keep letting us have a choice, and not queer the pitch too much.
    
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    April 3, 2023 2:14pm
    - Jack5
      
      BYD, of China, has overtaken Tesla as the world’s biggest electric-car maker.
      
      Last year BYD sold with 1.87 million EV’s compared with 1.3 million by Tesla.
      
      Legendary American investor Warren Buffett says BYD has been the best investment yet by Buffett’s investment firm Berkshire Hathaway. The firm has been taking profit on its BYD stake, which it started building a decade or more ago.
      
      In this video clip, Buffett’s right-hand man, Charlie Munger, talks about BYD and electric cars generally – from about 5:10, Munger answers a question about why Berkshire invested in BYD:
      
      https://youtu.be/cMt3pCtdfwA
      
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      April 3, 2023 3:32pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        Investment in China is very unsafe. The emperor respects nothing but power.
        
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        April 3, 2023 8:27pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    There is no substitute for cubic inches.
    
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    April 3, 2023 6:52pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      Sure there is. Turbo or super charging, rpm and gearboxes. Large displacement is for knuckle-dragging illiterates who can’t work a calculator.
      
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      April 3, 2023 8:32pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Only good as a second car pose for the (well to do) chardonnay socialists.
  
  Completely impractical as a sole daily driver for the median wage battlers.
  
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  April 3, 2023 3:12pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Not only impracticable for that group but unaffordable as well.
    
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    April 3, 2023 4:03pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Yeah I was thinking of the unaffordable purchase price (and large battery replacement cost if second hand) as factors for them being impractical as a daily driver for the median wage battler. Screwing around attempting to find charging stations and wasted time charging being other issues. That’s just the end user issues with them! China will no doubt produce cheaper and cheaper ones but at what cost to the environment and how much extra C02 output mining the rare minerals needed?
      
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      April 3, 2023 4:55pm
Chris Nisbet

Let’s hope our representatives (lol) in parliament keep letting us have a choice, and not queer the pitch too much.
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April 3, 2023 2:13pm
Handyman

The green party list is out.
— 4 out of top 5 positions are female. 20/80 split
— 7 out of top ten spots (likely to be elected) are female. 30/70 split.

This is against the party constitution which called for gender equity.
The green party has the worst gender equity in the current parliament and will likely retain their dual crowns of worst gender equity and biggest carbon footprint per MP.
They hold the title of biggest hypocrites in perpetuity.
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April 3, 2023 2:23pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  5 out of the 10-20 lot look like recent immigrants by their surnames.
  
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  April 3, 2023 2:46pm
  - Mike
    
    I’d need to see their pictures to be sure.
    
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    April 3, 2023 5:26pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Mike has arrived :):):):)
  
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  April 3, 2023 6:57pm
  - Mike
    
    Remember how upset the snowflakes wete about the ‘Chinky names’ thing?
    
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    April 3, 2023 7:41pm
- emmess
  
  Ironic, because they hate women
  
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  April 3, 2023 8:26pm
Maggie Pie

HOW ODD!!

Sean Plunket has just been permanently suspended from Twitter 🙁

WTH?
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April 3, 2023 2:36pm
- Ghost
  
  You can still be banned? Wonder what he put up
  
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  April 3, 2023 2:37pm
  - Littletramp
    
    Surely what he posted is not really the point. The point should be that the government still has some form of “backdoor” to control of what is said on this public platform and who is allowed to say it.
    This causing offence excuse is just smoke and mirrors.The screws are being tightened as we head toward an election season, that they (Labour and Greens pollies) are scared to go out and face the public after their covid/ facist performance. They want to run their campaign through the media.
    These pricks need to be booted out.
    
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    April 3, 2023 2:50pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    It will be an organised flagging pile-on from the butt hurt losers in the MSM or the various ministry of truth nut jobs.
    
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    April 3, 2023 3:14pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  A bestie just discovered the reason….
  Hopefully they can find the offending tweet.
  
  https://twitter.com/Candy_Land_NZ/status/1642707672532422656
  
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  April 3, 2023 2:52pm
  - Ghost
    
    Hateful conduct rule, jezz, they’d have to ban all the lefties under that rule
    
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    April 3, 2023 2:59pm
    - mawm
      
      Why anybody goes on twitter is beyond me. It’s a hive of mentally deranged leftwing hatred.
      
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      April 3, 2023 6:30pm
      - Mike
        
        And that’s just Elon Musk’s own tweets.
        
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        April 3, 2023 7:43pm
Chris Nisbet

Something ‘hateful’, apparently. I wonder if he just repeated something Shaneel said.
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April 3, 2023 2:50pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Womankind is sinking further & further into the shit 🙁
  
  https://twitter.com/shaneellall/status/1642718235165597697
  
  “Men can NOT get pregnant!”
  There. I said it.
  
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  April 3, 2023 3:02pm
Swifty

Yvonne van Dongen nails the NZ news media on trans etc issues:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rJUmAW59pY

I think she speaks quite well.
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April 3, 2023 3:17pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Yeah she seemed like a genuine “normie” journo.
  
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  April 3, 2023 4:15pm
slightlyrighty

Stuart Nash stepping down from all politics. Not standing as an electorate MP.
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April 3, 2023 3:19pm
- Nickc2
  
  IMO, he took one for the party.
  In other words, he has probably been able to terminate any further investigations into his and others’ actions that would bring discredit on this Labour Govt and possibly some additional shiny arses clinging to the hopes of a Labour re-election this year.
  I will be watching where he goes and what he does post politics eh?
  Are there any Forestry Industries looking for a CEO?
  
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  April 3, 2023 3:29pm
- Ghost
  
  Newshub article.
  
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  April 3, 2023 3:33pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Eww, not touching newshub (they who claimed posey whatsherface was doing a white supremacy sign when pulling up zipper), might catch a dose of something nasty.
    
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    April 3, 2023 3:46pm
Ghost

Can the pm define a woman

https://twitter.com/MoniqueNew/status/1642745550318731264
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April 3, 2023 4:39pm
- Ghost
  
  Funny, “I wasn’t expecting that question”. Yeah, too many press conferences it’s obvious the pm and ministers have been told in advance what the question will be
  
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  April 3, 2023 4:41pm
  - Paul Marsden
    
    He should have claimed the ‘hit by a motorbike’ defence
    
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    April 3, 2023 5:58pm
- Taieri
  
  Shaneel Lal can…
  
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  April 3, 2023 5:51pm
kevn

@Ghost… The stock response used to be…’yes, Tova’ or ‘Jessica’.
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April 3, 2023 4:48pm
Swifty

Sean Plunket has been suspended from Twitter, apparently because a CHC Imam has reported him for suggesting people seek out the CHC terrorist’s manifesto.

Apparently.

This from a man who lauds as perfect a book just teeming with injunctions to kill, invade the lands of others, look upon non-believers as distinctly second-class citizens and how to beat manage slaves etc etc.

Yep, that makes sense.
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April 3, 2023 6:11pm
Swifty

Yet more white cis male violence in NZ!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/watch-nz-post-delivery-driver-assaults-man-on-doorstep-loses-job/GQT7R3WOVJA3BPFD4IGUV2NHGU/
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April 3, 2023 6:20pm
fernglas

I just saw a great idea on interest.co.nz. Instead of pushing up interest rates to soak up liquidity and slow down spending, why not increase Kiwisaver contributions? That way the money will be retained by the individuals to be used in the future instead of just going to banks
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April 3, 2023 6:42pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh Grief…

Our Prime Minister is telling us that we have to leave our Ex-PM alone and “let her get on with her life”.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/04/chris-hipkins-hopes-kiwis-on-fringes-now-back-off-from-ardern-as-she-leaves-parliament.html
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April 3, 2023 7:07pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Just GO ….FFS!!
  
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  April 3, 2023 7:10pm
- Ghost
  
  I still hear lefties rabbiting on about John Key, why should she be any different? I mean it’s not as if she brought apartheid to New Zealand, destroyed a booming economy, locked people down, took away their rights, destroyed the health system, put every part of government services into crisis mode. Oh wait, stupid me, she did do that, oh well she decreased child poverty didn’t she? How about the homeless living in cars? Gang violence, ram raids, a billion trees? Is there an accomplishment in there?
  
  Jacinda Ardern, the first prime minister who when quitting will achieve the first thing in her career that she promised to do, quit.
  
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  April 3, 2023 7:15pm
- graham
  
  Seriously? Since she quit as Prime Minister I would have said her profile in the media has been remarkably low-key … and only now has Chris Hipkins reignited any mention of her.
  
  Shades of Ginge and Whinge “We want our privacy!” here?
  
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  April 3, 2023 7:22pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Just go away Ardern. Nobody cares any more. You did your job for the WEF and UN. Just shut up and go away.
    
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    April 3, 2023 8:06pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  “I think that Jacinda led us through all of those with dignity, with humility. She had high levels of trust from New Zealanders during that period with good reason.”
  
  What a pile of utter shit. She was the most arrogant and destructive leader of this country ever. She was a fraud and a fake during and in particular after the mosque shooting. She was totally absent during the White Island disaster. She destroyed the country with her responses to the covid flu pandemic. What a total human wrecking ball.
  
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  April 3, 2023 8:03pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Enjoy 😀 😀 😀
    
    https://youtu.be/My2FRPA3Gf8
    
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    April 3, 2023 8:48pm
- BeaB
  
  How dies he even know she’s a ‘her’. He said he hadn’t formulated an answer to the question ‘what is a woman?’
  [Mod – leave family out of it]
  
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  April 3, 2023 10:07pm

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