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The Redbaiter

Mr Luxon has always denied any connection to the WEF, but yesterday he launched a primary part of his party’s climate change policy at a venue organised by one of its affiliates.You can read the detail here.

Did Mr luxon know of this organisations WEF connections? If not, he should have.

The venue where Mr Luxon spoke was the Chapter Zero NZ Directors Climate Forum. On its about page this organisation says Chapter Zero New Zealand is a member of the Climate Governance Initiative (CGI) with active chapters in 22 countries/regions around the globe.

The Climate Governance Initiative is a direct subsidiary of Klaus Schwab’s World Economic Forum.

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The Climate Governance Initiative is driven by a community of non-executive directors focused on making climate a boardroom priority, building on the World Economic Forum’s Principles for Effective Climate Governance.

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One would earnestly hope that Mr Luxon has not used a WEF supplied pattern to formulate National Party policy. Surely even he could not be quite that unaware.
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April 1, 2023 8:02am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  Nah mate, it’s all a conspiracy theory. We are moving to a beautiful carbon zero future where we own nothing, eat bugs and chop our children’s penises off. It’s not Satanic at all. It’s Progress.
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:57am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    You lost me with the Satan stuff. Dumb, crazy, destructive? Yes definitely.
    
    Satan? A religious belief.
    
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    April 1, 2023 2:18pm
- Wayne Mapp
  
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  So what. It is hardly a surprise that international organisations are interested in climate change policy. So is the major organisation of the developed nations, the OECD. There wouldn’t be a major international organisation that hasn’t committed to NetZero 2050. In fact all highly developed nations have agreed to that goal or something akin to it. Chris Luxon is more than well aware of all these issues. In fact National voted in parliament for the commitment to NetZero 2050, as you well know. Obviously that has to be backed by actual policy, which National’s policy is an example of.
  Face it, you have lost this argument. Sure, you can rail against the policy commitment, but you can’t change it.
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:59am
  - mawm
    
    But one can vote against it.
    
    I have long suspected that Luxon is a WEF shill.
    
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    April 1, 2023 10:04am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Luxon said he has never been to WEF, do you believe an out and out Nat hater for red?
      
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      April 1, 2023 3:59pm
      - mawm
        
        Luxon might never have been to Davos (I assume that’s what you mean) but that does not mean he’s not one. OTOH I have known Red and his philosophy for many years and he is consistent in his criticism of National having abandoned their principles.
        
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        April 1, 2023 8:07pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Wayne Mapp – “Net zero” is a completely unscientific, ideological pipe dream. Utter madness. Anyone advocating it should seek help.
    
    Here, read this and tell me which parts are wrong and why.
    
    An excerpt.
    
    pile on the grievous and serious environmental issues that come from the mining, refining, and manufacture of the rare earths and other awfuls that go into these products (especially neodymium and dysprosium used for wind turbine magnets that have created literal lakes of radioactive waste slag) and you’re in pretty dire deficit on net benefit even if one accepts the claims of impending climate holocaust. you’re trading severe issues for postulated ones and even those may not be sufficient justification.
    
    https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/global-warning-the-wind-and-solar
    
    This is playing politics, it isn’t based on science. The same as the covid narrative.
    
    I look forward to your rebuttal.
    
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    April 1, 2023 10:08am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Wasting your time. Wayne Mapp is a proud member of The Establishment and listens only to experts approved by it, whatever the issue.
      
      The stuffed-shirt arrogance you’re getting from him is also very representative of the National Party. Regrettably even an election loss will not change them, they’ll simply say We have to be more like Labour
      
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      April 1, 2023 10:33am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        My comment arose from Redbaiter’s assertion that Chris Luxon is a hapless stooge of WEF. I normally ignore his comments but I thought it worth pointing out that NetZero 50 is not some crazy Marxist inspired policy, but rather, it is completely mainstream.
        Clan, you seem to miss the point that it is a Net zero policy, not an absolute zero. So forestry planting is an essential part of the policy. 2050 is 27 years from now. Will it be fully achieved in that time in NZ? Perhaps not, but we will be most of the way there. Transport will be largely net zero by 2050. The great majority of the transport fleet will be very low emission. Huntley power station will be gone. Agriculture will have made major gains to reducing net emissions.
        The political will behind these policies will increase over the next few years, not decrease. That is why I am confident that this is a debate that has largely been won.
        
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        April 1, 2023 12:23pm
      - I remember when
        
        Regardless of whether we are pro, anti or neutral on ‘Climate Change’ we are going to have to play the game.
        Therefore each energy proposal must be accepted on its feasibility rather than as part of Net Zero.
        Minimise costs until some of the major outcomes have become clear.
        We are a long way from our markets and a very small fish in a large ocean.
        
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        April 1, 2023 12:47pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        The political will behind these policies will increase over the next few years, not decrease. That is why I am confident that this is a debate that has largely been won.
        
        The political will overseas for all this is weakening with every brownout and blackout in what used to be solid, reliable power grids. Which is why you’ve got the Germans and the Australians hanging on to their coal-fired stations (and in the latter case begging the utility owners to push them harder), while even the idiot Californians have decided to extend the life of their lone remaining nuclear plant because they now know they can’t risk it.
        
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        April 1, 2023 1:24pm
      - Liberty
        
        Wayne The point is you can’t be carbon-free. Without carbon, there would be no life.
        The bright people who came up with NET Zero50 should know that. Or they know It’s just a means to an end.
        It is so depressing that in New Zealand some so-called bright academics, along with State funded media, have been pushing this nonsense. To this extent, it is now mainstream thinking.
        They have made Joseph Goebbels look like an amateur.
        
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        April 1, 2023 5:02pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Sorry accidentally hit the “report” button on WM’s post.
        Since there is no “report woke lunacy” button, can I please have this “report” ignored? 😝
        
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        April 1, 2023 5:38pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Wayne Mapp: “2050 is 27 years from now. Will it be fully achieved in that time in NZ? Perhaps not, but we will be most of the way there.”
        
        You have no idea what state the world will be in in 27 years time (let alone in 5 years time). Net Zero 2050 without the requisite technology is a sure path to bankruptcy.
        
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        April 1, 2023 5:41pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      In Layman’s terms. ( I’m a simple Guy),
      All it does is Transfer emissions too Poorer countries. ( Who cant/Dont/wont Pay).
      And in another sense a “Tax ” on wealthier Countries.
      The real question is where does this “Tax” go. It sure ain’t you and me,
      Maybe it ends up in “unelected ” NGO’s coffers and ESG schemes.
      
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      April 1, 2023 11:11am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Wayne, I don’t miss the point. As I said, we’re already 70% renewable. Vehicle emissions are at all time lows. This is all based on the premise that the science is “settled”. As with covid, it isn’t and never was.
      
      I seriously doubt that we can supply the electricity required if we electrify our vehicle fleet, not to mention the environmentally destructive processes and humanitarian abuses involved in the manufacturing process to make those vehicles.
      I’ve yet to see anything resembling a remotely coherent plan to achieve these goals. It is ideological insanity on steroids.
      
      Just to point out Wayne, I live completely off grid. I do understand how this shit works.
      
      It might be a debate that has “largely been won”, but it isn’t based on science. It’s based on narrative control and irrational ideological hysteria. Just as the covid narrative was.
      
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      April 1, 2023 1:20pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Recall that this guy actually supports the Labour scheme of ute tax-EV subsidy: just about the economically dopiest scheme there is and not even effective from a GHG-reduction POV. A quite amazing stance from a member of a party that continued the ETS. I guess he never understood it.
        
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        April 1, 2023 1:27pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Yes, I do support the clean car rebate. And yes, I am fully aware of your attitude toward me.
        However I do understand how the ETS works. At the present carbon price, there is no way it sends any sort of market signal for car buyers to shift technology. The ETS component is only 20 cents per litre. It would need to be $1.00 to send a market signal that would get noticed. But an ETS of that level would not be sustainable, not when you think of the overall impact on prices.
        So in my view a more specific incentive is required to shift buyer behaviour. Based on sales since its introduction the Clean Car Buyer Rebate works. Just because Labour introduced it doesn’t make it wrong.
        While I generally agree with National’s policies, this is one where I disagree with National.
        
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        April 1, 2023 3:26pm
      - sparkhole
        
        “environmentally destructive processes and humanitarian abuses involved in the manufacturing process to make those vehicles”
        
        There are quite a lot more of these problems with oil.
        
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        April 1, 2023 3:34pm
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      This guy seems to have a fairly realistic viewpoint on net zero 2050. Pesky things like physics matter to him.
      In short, it cannot happen, and the consequences of trying will be dire.
      I wonder if our politicians take the time to get advice from the likes of him.
      
      https://youtu.be/LPLgXFWH7lg
      
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      April 2, 2023 6:40am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Why is China not considered to be a ‘Developed Nation’?
    If, as you say, this Policy is set and everyone is serious, then why is China allowed to be one of the worst Polluters in the world whilst we suffer from the economic penalties imposed on us?
    
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    April 1, 2023 10:09am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Of course China is not a developed nation. I mean, they only invented paper, movable type printing, gunpowder, the compass, the world’s first (several) mechanical clocks, silk, the umbrella, and iron smelting.
      
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      April 1, 2023 10:13am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Somewhere in my garage I have a Chinese compass, but only the spoon bit.
        
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        April 1, 2023 11:33am
      - Ian Boag
        
        And they are building more nukes than the rest of the world together. And the cost of solar has collapsed worldwide because the Chinese kicked the bottom out of the panel market …
        
        Just saying ….
        
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        April 1, 2023 3:18pm
      - Chris Nisbet
        
        Aren’t they sending spaceships to the moon?
        
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        April 2, 2023 4:15am
  - The Redbaiter
    
    As usual Mr Mapp, you try to distract from the main issue here. It is why I seldom reply to your comments. Here is the real point-
    
    When asked if he knew what the WEF was Mr Luxon (IIRC) said he had no real idea but he knew it was an organisation “in Switzerland or somewhere”.
    
    In fact the WEF is operating in NZ and calling itself Chapter Zero NZ and National’s “electrification” policy just happens to be framed around a plan that is eerily similar to the business plans of the corporates that make up that organisation.
    
    And its not just a distant association. Chapter Zero, as I point out, has a direct connection to the WEF.
    
    On Friday Mr Luxon launched his policy at the Chapter Zero NZ’s forum.
    
    Not a good look for someone who said he didn’t know much about the WEF at all.
    
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    April 1, 2023 10:10am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      You are the issue, go spout that crap to Seymour who has been silent this week
      
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      April 1, 2023 4:01pm
  - Simon
    
    You have lost this argument = the Emperor is wearing some very nice clothes
    
    BRIC nationals have already broken away clown world climate change. Many nations will not follow the man made climate junk science manipulated by woke govt to frighten and control the general population in the West and harm developing countries.
    
    All it will take in NZ is for someone political to represent the 20% of the voters who know man made climate fraud to go hold on this rubbish has got to stop. The climate Emperor isn’t wearing any clothes
    
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    April 1, 2023 10:23am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Yes Indeed, China has done a U turn and going Gangbusters on Coal Plants.
      
      China has recently turned its back on this Climate Fraud, However still “funding” useful idiots for the promotion / messaging of Climate Change.
      
      ESG is the biggest threat to NZ’ way of life ( Apart from Nuclear War).
      Its all one and the same.
      
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      April 1, 2023 11:19am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        No U Turn. They’ve been rock solid on dependable energy for their country from day one. They are happy to sell us the tools for economic suicide though (at a discount), since our uber-dumb leaders beg for them.
        
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        April 1, 2023 3:22pm
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    Wayne can you explain what the “net” part of Net Zero means? What are the two components of the equation that gives “net” zero? I don’t know. Eric Crampton tried to find out and received contradictory answers. The answer will determine whether net zero is obtainable and the extent to which it will wreck the economy.
    
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    April 1, 2023 10:26am
    - Phronesis
      
      It’s an important question. I strongly suspect that NZ is already net zero. Carbon output is always shown on a per capita basis but nz is interesting in that every person in NZ is effectively the recognised owner of about a square kilometre of deep ocean. The carbon uptake and sink capacity of that ocean is massive. That’s before we get to a share of nz agricultural land, exotic forests, native forests, bush etc. It’s frankly implausible that we aren’t net zero.
      
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      April 1, 2023 10:42am
  - kowtow
    
    So what ?
    
    Because it is anti democratic , top down , elitist tosh .
    
    And people and parties are finally waking up to the conspiracy.
    
    Holland the latest .
    
    And dare I say that Mr Trump actually embodied the deeply felt feelings of many people in the US about all this internationalist , globalist control of the Little Guy and that’s why labour and corporatism united against him in a well funded , by tech billionaires , conspiracy to steal that election . And that’s why we see a leftist conspiracy to put him infront of a court .
    
    Other parties will rise , with prices and the level of control we’re exposed to and as the power goes off , borders overwhelmed and crime out of control , farms shut down or sold for “carbon farming”.
    
    To paraphrase . . . some one has aptly remarked that there are only nine meals between mankind and anarchy.
    
    And your crowd are driving us towards anarchy .
    
    BTW , back in ’45 we all voted for universal human rights .
    
    How’s that worked out .
    
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    April 1, 2023 10:40am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Yep.
      “BTW , back in ’45 we all voted for universal human rights “,
      Simple answer to that, Is How has NZ done with BOR’s in just 3 years.
      
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      April 1, 2023 11:22am
  - Spam
    
    I’d be a lot happier if people bypassed the IPCC summary for policy makers (written by politicians) and actually read the working group reports (written by scientists).
    Even the working group reports have problems, but not as bad as the summary for policy makers, which is nakedly political and biased.
    
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    April 1, 2023 10:54am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    When you only listen to an activist echo chamber that cancels 100% legitimate scientific finding, you are going to cause colossal damage.
    
    Face it Wayne, National is simply riding a wave of deep idiocy on this for political gain. But thanks for confirming National’s deeply disturbing wokeness.
    
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    April 1, 2023 2:22pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Wayne there was no “debate” won. There was just media, dubious scientists, legion slime-funded orgs, and big tech, slandering and cancelling anything that called the narrative into question. Has been the case since Hansen’s 1980s slimy (turn off the aircon in mid summer) opening announcements and subsequent failed ridiculous predictions. You’ve taken the bait, hook line and sinker, like a teenage activist.
    
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    April 1, 2023 2:34pm
  - Tommo
    
    Thank you for demonstrating why despite this Labour conglomeration of fools being the worst government in NZ history, the Nats are on the verge of losing the next election to them. Spineless, utterly.
    
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    April 1, 2023 4:04pm
- thirteenstars
  
  I doubt he’s that unaware. By why would you think ignorance was the only option?
  
  I think Luxon is perfectly aware of where these ideas come from, and who’s promoting them. He certainly would have implemented enough ESG policies while at Air NZ and indeed couldn’t have been elevated to such a high profile position in such a woke company without towing that line.
  
  And he, and National, are fully signed up to Net Zero 2050, which will increase energy prices for all of us, and will increase food prices, too. But that’s the goal of Green ideology: increase price to drive down demand.
  
  National’s Net Zero policy is the opposite of raising living standards and reducing the cost of living. It’s one or the other, and it’s a lie to pretend otherwise.
  
  Excellent article from Bryan Leyland over at BB&H:
  
  The sooner the Government realises that a system dominated by wind and solar power cannot provide a reliable and economic supply and starts looking at cheaper and better options, the better.
  
  And National, too.
  
  https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/bryan-leyland-storage-the-achilles-heel-of-wind-and-solar-power
  
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  April 1, 2023 10:09am
  - Drone
    
    @thirteenstars I pretty much agree that climate change is hoax but what I don’t understand is the paragraph “and National, are fully signed up to Net Zero 2050, which will increase energy prices for all of us, and will increase food prices, too. But that’s the goal of Green ideology: increase price to drive down demand.” What if anything is punishing the population of NZ going to achieve by making the country poorer and hungry.. Oh I forgot only SOME of the country..
    
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    April 1, 2023 7:40pm
- 2ic
  
  @Redbaiter
  You’ve posted before about the talkback call where Luxon tried to ‘play dumb’ and obfuscate about any knowledge of the World Economic Forum’s agenda. (https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/01/general_debate_15_january_2023.html#comment-3303567).
  
  I heard that call and was shocked as Luxon’s denials. He’s playing us for fools and simply can’t be trusted. I could never vote for him.
  
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  April 1, 2023 10:12am
  - The Redbaiter
    
    2ic- Thanks for the link. Yes, that’s the statement I was referring to.
    
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    April 1, 2023 10:19am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Luxon is steeped in that stuff, if only for the ESG implementation he was so proud of at Air NZ.
    
    Western culture is being hollowed out and these people have stopped resisting. They are not an opposition, they are fully-signed up to the programme. The big policies are agreed to between the major parties and the only debate is about banal things that get middle management types excited.
    
    The WEF has superseded the UN, and that’s because the authoritarians worked out that it was too easy to resist governments implementing unpopular policies. They had to get into the private sector and implement ESG which has become increasingly easy as woke kids are graduated from the education system by the tens of thousands every year.
    
    Our culture is now extremely fragile and when the collapse comes, and the authoritarian solutions are implemented, the regular folks will wonder what the hell has hit them, but a significant group of others will smile and simply nod their heads.
    
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    April 1, 2023 10:40am
    - Jimbob
      
      Kiwiblog has become a boring attack platform against Luxon and climate change. We all know this, nothing is going to change at present until the UN and WEF are silenced. You’re wasting your time, one day we will see a reversal, but don’t hold your breath. First priority is to rid New Zealand of the Labour government. Luxon is not going anywhere, you’re stuck with him.
      
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      April 1, 2023 1:07pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        Couple of months ago they said that about Ardern, even her mates in the media were taken completely by surprise.
        
        Regardless, criticism is able to achieve many things, two of them being holding someone to account, and shaming them into changing their minds.
        
        Further, I’m not stuck with Luxon. I’m voting ACT. The Nats are stuck with Luxon, and the greater ACT’s vote the less National you get in any coalition.
        
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        April 1, 2023 1:26pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    What can’t be trusted though, Luxon, or who ever spouted that shit, the Uniliver so called WEF affiliation may have had nothing at all to do with him, snd he has been away from there for many years, it may well be the idiot that keeps putting this shit up.
    
    Another thing, Lsbour snd the greens are deep in WEF, I suggest Luxon is further away from that bullshittery than them, so who do you want ? There is two choices
    
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    April 1, 2023 4:05pm
- Widogast Corwin
  
  Wayne, sorry to pick on you, but could you please outline in general terms how New Zealand can teach zero emissions? Recalling that agriculture makes up 50 percent of emissions and the only way to materially cut those emissions is to cut production.
  
  What do you see happening to industrial production?
  
  Your answers will depend on what you mean by “net”.
  
  The policy released yesterday shows that Chris Luxon does not know what “net” means let alone net zero and how it could be achieved and at what cost.
  
  On the bright side, by 2035 New Zealand’s emissions will be higher than today and it will crash down.
  
  BTW the Government’s goal is to double agriculture exports by 2040. Will National abandon that goal? At what cost to emissions?
  
  I have so many questions and just get platitudes as answers.
  
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  April 1, 2023 10:38am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The whole net zero is political virtue signaling. It’s like the zero road death nonsensical policy by NZTA.
    
    It’s “aspirational”, it sounds good on TV to the public, but people like Luxon know they will be long gone many years before the whole pipe dream collapses in a heap as it is guaranteed to do.
    It is fraudulent and cheap talk, thought it won’t be cheap for the public as these fools try and implement policies that can never work.
    
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    April 1, 2023 10:48am
    - Jeanette
      
      Luxon wasn’t even in parliament when National voted for Carbon Free 2050. Simon Bridges was the NP leader then. I’m guessing that it’s not something he could change if he wanted to.
      
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      April 1, 2023 1:14pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Clearly being in power is more important than promoting what is right and good for the country long term. This mentality is a race to the bottom. NZ is approaching that bottom now.
        
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        April 1, 2023 3:26pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Many farms are now seen as carbon neutral, most of sheep and beef sector is, have a think how they are able to make that claim
    
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    April 1, 2023 4:06pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s Big Business to be “Green”
  
  https://www.gfanzero.com/
  
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  April 1, 2023 10:51am
- igm
  
  With Luxon at the helm National are destined for destruction and NZ will be consigned to Labour/Green/maori driven ruinaction.
  
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  April 1, 2023 11:59am
  - Drone
    
    @igm unfortunately you implied that there would be some “action” when you used the word “ruinaction”, there won’t be any action I can assure you..
    
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    April 1, 2023 1:07pm
    - igm
      
      That was a typo, it was supposed to read “Ruination”!
      Bloody tablet.
      
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      April 1, 2023 4:48pm
  - Jeanette
    
    Well National have got plenty of new very intelligent people standing at this election so they can’t be feeling as negative as you are about Luxon or they wouldn’t be bothered.
    
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    April 1, 2023 3:30pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      There are plenty of nominally “intelligent” people (in certain areas only) that do incredibly dumb and destructive things. See our current educational institutions for evidence of this.
      
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      April 1, 2023 5:16pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Only if you are foolish enough to fall for the media lies, the policy yesterday was about cutting red tape to make it easier for power companies to build their plants, not 16 billion to build snd pay for the likes of Lake Onslow, that will only fe used in dry years, think about which policy will be cost effective to tax payers
    
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    April 1, 2023 7:28pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Go away you are full of it, Seymour spout about Davidson on Monday, haven’t seen or heard of him since
  
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  April 1, 2023 12:24pm
Drone

It’s good to see that the UK has moved into the pacific region and joined the CPTPP https://bfpg.co.uk/2023/03/uk-accession-cptpp/#:~:text=Most%20directly%2C%20the%20UK's%20accession,eligible%20for%20tariff%2Dfree%20trade. It will be interesting to see how this develops particularly as the Guardian has highlighted a number of issues for the UK over food standards and environmental issues https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/mar/31/pacific-trade-deal-brexit-britain-food-standards-economic-benefit maybe they don’t apply to NZ.
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April 1, 2023 8:05am
- Loddenthinks
  
  It’ll be OK Drone. Remember, this was the evil globalist capitalist scheme that saw Labour and Gween MPs protesting in the streets of Auckland, stopping traffic and making ‘elluva noise.
  
  Then the Great Charlatan shoehorned them into power and things got a bit awkward. They were made to understand how important it was for a small trading nation at the bottom of the world to be at the table when deals were being doen. What to do? What to DO?
  
  I know, let’s put “Comprehensive and Progressive” at the start of the name and everyone will know it’s driven by kindness and not capitalism. Simples!
  
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  April 1, 2023 10:17am
tedbear

New Superannuation rates kick in today but not so with the Winter Energy Payments.
Can someone throw some light on why the government hasn’t increased the Winter Energy Payments from what they were in 2018 ?

The UK also provides these payments and there the amount paid for 2022/2023 has more than doubled from what it was in 2018.
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April 1, 2023 8:15am
- septic skeptic
  
  UK prices (duh)
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  My Google Machine tells me the Super kicks in today with a 7.2% increase.
  The winter energy payment stars May 1st and stops Oct 1st.
  You can still not live on this, or if you can life is miserable.
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:51am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    If you’ve spent your entire working life so poor that you couldn’t afford to save anything at all towards your own retirement, then living only on NZS + winter energy payment isn’t any worse than that.
    
    If you were well-off during your working life but now find you have nothing but NZS + winter energy payments to live on, that’s on you.
    
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    April 1, 2023 11:33am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      But I haven’t. We have had our holidays every 3 years and been to Hawaii/Alaska twice.
      We have done the campervan thing in the Sth Island twice.
      Have a nice small nest egg. But all of that tax I paid for 55 years is not doing anything for me at 70. Don’t start with the rubbish about I paid a very small amount of Tax compared to today.
      Moving to Auckland my job paid me $1.35 an hour. That was above award rates then. But it is still relative to today’s Taxes (I think?) My rent then was $14 per week. Food bill was about $19 or $20 per week.
      So what have the consecutive Governments done with all of those Taxes going into the general fund in the last 55 years? Well I know one thing, they looked after themselves first. Thinking back, NZ Governments are as bad as the United States SWAMP!
      Most Tax comes from the middle income downwards. Labour always kept people poor and dependent. That way they promise free shit and get voted in.
      Another Rant over!
      
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      April 1, 2023 3:50pm
- Widogast Corwin
  
  The answer to your last question is obvious to anyone familiar with the energy disaster unleashed on the UK by the “zero carbon” vandals.
  
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  April 1, 2023 10:30am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The pension went up with inflation like it does every year, NZFs winter payment never had an indexation to it, I think the payment starts May 1
  
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  April 1, 2023 12:26pm
  - AitchW
    
    In fact the pension was indexed to the average wage until this year. Average wage increases have been for some time well below inflation. This year the pension (and, I think, benefits) are indexed to inflation so beneficiaries and superannuitants get about twice the pay rise the the average worker gets. I don’t begrudge the increase in pension, however the generous increase in the dole serves only further to disincentivise the unemployed to get off the couch.
    
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    April 1, 2023 12:52pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      The pensions and public servant remuneration (especially govt politician’s) should be pegged to GDP per capita. IE what the economy can really afford.
      
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      April 1, 2023 5:20pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Something for the climate change/global warming fruitcakes.
185mph solar winds are coming. Happens every 11 years and I thought it was always because of my petrol hogging Landcruiser.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/second-giant-hole-about-20-times-larger-than-earth-rips-through-the-sun/ss-AA17SQXs
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April 1, 2023 8:20am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  These things can take out satellites, comms networks, gps, and even electricity grids, but you have a severe case of climate denialism if you think they might impact the climate, apparently.
  /s
  
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  April 1, 2023 8:26am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    To be perfectly honest I’ve been waiting for one of the NIWA twits to declare that the aurora australis displays being seen as far north as Auckland earlier this week are due to cow farts …….
    
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    April 1, 2023 9:00am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Did not know AOC was involved with NIWA.
      
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      April 1, 2023 9:10am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I have always had that denial.
    River in Afrika I think.//
    
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    April 1, 2023 9:09am
- Nickc2
  
  They also have the ability to destroy Wind Power farms.
  Bring it on, but not before I get my roof re-fixed eh?
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:13am
- NZer In Exile
  
  185mph? That looks to be a little slow for solar winds! Are they arriving in a Ford Prefect?
  
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  April 1, 2023 3:05pm
greenfinger

What is the point of the investigation in the Nashgate? What will Palmer – a ex-Labour Party man – actually conclude, that this Government is a scam? Yeah right.
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April 1, 2023 8:22am
- kowtow
  
  Classic Sir Humphrey Appleby tactic , seen to be doing , put off to another day , sheeple forget and move on.
  
  Especially while we have a loyal te media pardy who will ensure it is memory holed . Unlike anything Trump. Always front and centre.
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:47am
- CRM114
  
  Might want to check your source on that info. Spoiler alert: It’s April 1st.
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:55am
- Phronesis
  
  The conclusion will not be worth reading but the investigation is likely to uncover more information and people will draw their own conclusions.
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:55am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Geoffrey Palmer is a constitutional law expert and a man of unimpeachable integrity. As wet as the Nile, sure, but he’ll play it with a straight bat – at least up to the draft report stage.
  
  Then the Minister that commissioned the inquiry (Chippy) will redact, edit, amend, obfuscate and twist the conclusion so it says “simple human error”, nothing to see here, I’ve accepted everybody’s apologies, move on.
  
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  April 1, 2023 10:20am
  - Paulus
    
    Anything which Geoffrey Palmer has anything to do with frightens me.
    He is responsible for a large number of New Zealand’s current ills.
    
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    April 1, 2023 11:26am
    - thirteenstars
      
      He is responsible for the Bill of Rights Act which in recent years has been the only thing keeping free speech alive in this country.
      
      It’s allowed organisations like the Free Speech Union to beat the bastards back on many occasions and that is ongoing.
      
      I doubt National had plans to do the same. Thank goodness for Palmer. You take the good where you can find it.
      
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      April 1, 2023 2:17pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      He set the course for deep societal division and hatred at a time when few could envisage the end result. He probably thought he was being “nice”. The path the hell is paved with good intentions and all that.
      
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      April 1, 2023 2:28pm
  - CRM114
    
    @Loddenthinks, what inquiry are you taking about?
    
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    April 1, 2023 1:59pm
- Philview
  
  I read the Claire Trevett article who thinks Hipkins finished the week well and put the issue to bed. Per Claire the public aren’t interested in this and she proceeded to have a dig at National for trying to turn this into something bigger than it is. I only buy a newspaper on Saturday these days but I think even that is about to end.
  
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  April 1, 2023 10:30am
  - Burtland
    
    Clair Trevett – cant even call out naked racism even when it stares her in the face – brainwashed clown
    
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    April 1, 2023 1:07pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    She is not called red Claire for nothing, I almost choked on the magnificent seafood chowder when I read that, she is so bloody pathetic when all media are saying Hipkins has lost support, then to rubbish Willis for calling out the corruption in parliament saying she was shouty and vile words, just look at the weak pathetic look on Hipkins face, it says it all, anyone that suggests this week has not damaged Labour is a fool.
    
    I note in comments everywhere, the main snger eith Labour voters is Davidson, many saying unless she is gone there will be no vote
    
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    April 1, 2023 7:38pm
- Widogast Corwin
  
  I see you fell for it too 😂😂😂😂
  
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  April 1, 2023 12:02pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Oh so it’s Palmer ffs, how the hell is that independent?
  
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  April 1, 2023 12:26pm
  - CRM114
    
    @G, what are you referring to? What is Palmer doing?
    
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    April 1, 2023 1:54pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Is he not doing the Nash enquiry? Is that not what they are talking about? It’s suppose to be independent
      
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      April 1, 2023 7:41pm
      - Ghost
        
        No he’s not, you read an april fools post
        
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        April 1, 2023 7:54pm
      - CRM114
        
        Where did you hear about this inquiry?
        
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        April 1, 2023 8:46pm
Bridgenag

This is interesting IMO

Why I don’t believe there ever was a Covid virus

By
Dr Mike Yeadon
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https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/why-i-dont-believe-there-ever-was-a-covid-virus/
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April 1, 2023 8:22am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  It was a dam good Political control tool. Just ask Jaspinda.
  If you balked and protested she just turned a silly traffic light onto red and locked us down.
  Kiwis are tired of leftist nonsense.
  
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  April 1, 2023 10:14am
  - Paulus
    
    But remember 53% of the electorate voted for hidden left wing control, and got what they asked for – and many will do so again in the election.
    
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    April 1, 2023 11:28am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      “I vote Labour coz my Dad did and my Grandad did, and Nana did”
      You are a working man, a labourer so you should vote Labour.
      The Labour Party of yesteryear is gone. The communists now run Labour.
      
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      April 1, 2023 3:57pm
G152

So when is the next Ice Age due and why did all those others happen without us around to cause them?
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April 1, 2023 8:23am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Sometime within the next 10,000 – 50,000 years.
  
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  April 1, 2023 10:12am
  - mandk
    
    Actually, it should be 10,000 years plus or minus 10,000 years.
    
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    April 1, 2023 12:28pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Lindzen says we should be good for approx the next 5000 years in terms of climate we should be really worried about (like 1km thick of ice covering New York).
    
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    April 1, 2023 3:08pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yeah, and the sea level rising 300 meters up Hellyer’s Creek and destroying my Bayview home.
      Is it still illegal to hit people? Even stupid ones?
      
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      April 1, 2023 4:00pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Yes. Perhaps just a “woke climate dummy” sticker quietly put on their back?
        
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        April 1, 2023 5:44pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Well it was 10,000 years ago, and we did not know if there were cars or not.
  So yeah, 10,000+ years from now they won’t know what happened today.
  
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  April 1, 2023 10:16am
  - rangitoto
    
    This is probably true. Cave paintings and fired clay tablets can last a long time. There are people alive today who can read and write Sumerian because of the later and the longevity of Sumerian as a religious/scholarly language, a bit like the preservation of Latin. Paper and digital media is unlikely to last anywhere near even three or four thousand years. Anything that disrupts the replication or copying of such material means it will be lost.
    
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    April 1, 2023 11:10am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I thought it started this week, snow on the hills on the Taieri plain
  
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  April 1, 2023 12:28pm
- kowtow
  
  Serious question .
  
  What was the cause of the end of the last period of cooling .
  
  This happened around the late 1800’s and in NZ is marked by the beginning of the significant retreat of our southern glaciers.
  
  Hint it wasn’t gas bbq’s or Toyota Hilux’s.
  
  Surely that event is worthy of genuine scientific study.
  
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  April 1, 2023 1:17pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    There is lots of published work within and beyond NZ on the Little Ice Age
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
    
    e.g. A recent NZ paper:
    Ice thickness and volume changes across the Southern Alps, New Zealand, from the little ice age to present
    
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-70276-8
    
    Most folks in the media and politics are just too damn lazy to keep themselves informed about what really happens in nature.
    
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    April 1, 2023 2:18pm
artemisia

Herald today, a long read on the brutal rental market, paywalled. A family of seven living in a motorhome, a man living in his friend’s garage, a pregnant mother living with nine others in a three-bedroom home — these are just some of the stories

Some of the reasons for those stories –
– no job, no car, no fixed address
– other prospective tenants have better references and credit
– cannot work
– large households
– rents too high, unaffordable.

Most stories in the article indicate potential risk to landlords so failing the risk assessment. Government rule changes make it hard to terminate tenants who do not meet their responsibilities, so with ECON101 in the mix why take them on in the first place.

The article does mention some ECON101 reasons but no mention of risk:

“More landlords are choosing to rent to social housing providers rather than regular tenants because of the interest deductibility rules the Government brought in.Others are selling as it became unsustainable with increasing interest, rates and compliance costs.”

Did I mention government rule changes?
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April 1, 2023 8:26am
- Paulus
  
  Correct, having read the article I asked where was the reason that so many rental property owners had sold up and why – bad article as usual.
  
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  April 1, 2023 11:30am
Souvlaki

Putting to oneside David’s April Fool joke at 7am below…National/ ACT must prosecute this undoubtedly corrupt coverup to the Nth degree!
Bryce Edwards provides a very lucid synopsis here:
https://democracyproject.nz/2023/03/31/bryce-edwards-the-astonishing-government-suppression-of-nashs-email/
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April 1, 2023 8:30am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yet Red Claire is suggesting it’s all over and Nats we’re all bluster, she says Hipkins has escaped free saying the bridge announcement says so
  
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  April 1, 2023 12:29pm
Lee C

There once was a woman so hot.
She could sleep her way up to the top.
But her looks are now fading,
There’s no curerency trading,
And she lost everything that she got.
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April 1, 2023 8:37am
- Matt Long
  
  Not yet, but there seems to be rumblings Biden will choose a new running mate this election.
  
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  April 1, 2023 8:50am
  - Lee C
    
    Fascinating Matt, I totally had someone else in mind…
    
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    April 1, 2023 9:13am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Hahahahaha, horse flesh
      
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      April 1, 2023 12:30pm
    - Matt Long
      
      Tova?
      
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      April 1, 2023 12:43pm
      - Lee C
        
        bingo
        
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        April 2, 2023 6:59am
  - Phronesis
    
    What, no Joe and the [Mod – deleted] 24’ ???
    
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    April 1, 2023 9:58am
  - Inandout
    
    ML, it would be a brave man who predicted Biden would last mentally until 2024. Whoever is lined up is shit scared of a Trump return, hence the inane attempts to stall him from running.
    
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    April 1, 2023 10:07am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Grandpa Simpson?
    
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    April 1, 2023 2:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Nord stream. There are 4 pipelines. 2 each for Nordstream 1 and 2.
Only 3 pipes were blown up, one bomb did not explode.
“But guess what country was the first to go there and recover the bomb that hadn’t gone off?” Seymour Hersh has Biden by the gonads. Biden knows what Hersh can do.
Biden needs to come clean. I am guessing Russia will not be happy.

https://billingsreport.com/seymour-hersh-usa-returned-to-nord-stream-explosion-site-to-remove-unexploded-bomb/
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April 1, 2023 8:39am
- Master Mariner
  
  Yep Indeed, The UN security council refused to vote for an investigation.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZt1O7qjH5I
  
  First they came up with Ukrainians hiring a small Boat with 5 people.
  
  Hymm Righto,
  
  I will say again, Sonar bouys can hear a fish fart , These are scattererd along the entire Baltic Sea.
  
  I am with Seymour Hersch as being the most likely scenario.
  Is this an act of War?
  
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  April 1, 2023 8:58am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Act of War? Russia will say yes, but they have enough on their plate.
    
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    April 1, 2023 1:22pm
- mawm
  
  I have a feeling Hersch will soon be Arkancided.
  
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  April 1, 2023 10:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Shit, you made Hillary almost have an, nope nope don’t say that Steve. Makes people throw up.
    
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    April 1, 2023 4:04pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I wonder how folks who work in our hospital offices and Polytechs feel about Labour these days.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/03/1600-te-whatu-ora-staff-potentially-on-chopping-block-in-bid-to-streamline-teams.html

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/487087/union-furious-as-hundreds-of-mainly-managerial-jobs-set-to-be-axed-at-te-pukenga

At last Tova won’t be lonely in the dole queue.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/devastated-today-fms-tova-obrien-is-the-canary-in-the-economic-mine
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April 1, 2023 8:39am
- Lee C
  
  At least the majority of them have transferrable skills.
  
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  April 1, 2023 8:43am
  - 70andstilllearning
    
    Having spent a decade plus in one of those sectors and much more time associated with another I wouldn’t put a bet on that Lee – a small minority maybe ….
    
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    April 1, 2023 9:13am
    - Lee C
      
      But Tova’s still on the periphery here…
      
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      April 1, 2023 9:15am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Was always going to happen – and even if National roll back Te Pukenga, back office system consolidation will endure because you don’t need 25 accounting systems when 1 will do. Ditto CEOs, of course.
  
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  April 1, 2023 8:48am
- Mike
  
  Good to see you celebrating these long overdue rationalizations.
  
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  April 1, 2023 8:59am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I found this hilarious.
  
  Because O’Brien and the 30 radio colleagues effectively laid off this week weren’t really done over by management – they were done over by a fast-declining consumer economy.
  
  No, they were done over because they are liars, frauds and bought and paid for shills and narrative controllers for those paying them the 30 pieces of silver.
  There will be more to come once the government funding is fully removed.
  Anyone actually reporting balanced news and commentary will survive just fine.
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:16am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Tova got the arse?
    
    Gee. How sad.
    
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    April 1, 2023 3:11pm
- ecco
  
  So much for Tova being able to pull in the listeners with her pro Ardern views. I didn’t listen to her show once after the way she did her political news reports.
  Made no dent in Hoskings market share.
  
  I do feel sorry for Garner though. I thought he was quite good on the AM show.
  
  Interesting article on business desk about Wallace basically jumping ship to Qantas after leading a failed attempt at launching Today radio station. If I were Qantas I certainly wouldn’t be putting him at the helm of qantas with that performance.
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:21am
  - Random T Person
    
    Qantas like Air NZ is dogshit. If I can avoid it, I will not fly with either.
    
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    April 1, 2023 11:25am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      I’ll be flying Emirates or one of the other Arab petro state airlines. Pretty sure they won’t do woke diversity hires (especially for pilots). Clown-world virtue signalling has no place where safety is paramount.
      
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      April 1, 2023 3:32pm
  - Paulus
    
    Never heard Tova as could not find programme station, so did not try again.
    
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    April 1, 2023 11:32am
- Loddenthinks
  
  The first two are undoubtedly due to government incompetence. Tova needs to look much closer to home for the reasons she’s now on the scrap-heap. It was up to her (and Garner) to bring the listeners in; justifying their massive salaries became unsustainable when they could not. The station was massively unprofitable and had to be axed.
  
  Couldn’t have happened to a nicer person. Hubris and karma are things, apparently.
  
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  April 1, 2023 10:27am
- pdm
  
  Maggy – there is a lot of clean up work still to be done in Hawkes Bay that Tova can help with.
  
  She will need a nice pair of gumboots to wade through the silt though. A shovel will be provided.
  
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  April 1, 2023 10:53am
- nathie
  
  As for Newsroom, yep they mention people cooling their spending, they mention costs going up, they even give a brief mention of the Reserve Bank’s desire to want a recession … bit nowhere at all does Newsroom talk about Labour’s stoking all this with their ~~bribes to the people~~ policies and overspending which are causing all this.
  
  Then to top it off Today FM, being the 4th estate, were in a unique position of privilege to question the Labour Govt, but instead Mediaworks decided the format of the new radio station to replace MagicTalk (that was holding those in power to account until Mediaworks chickened out supporting them) would be non-controversial, middle of the road and woke.
  
  There would be less talk about politics and the rising cost of living, and more talk about one’s favorite mince pie and the pros and cons of ironing one’s clothes or not.
  
  Labour probably couldn’t believe their luck, not only were they getting away scot-free, Today FM was also putting down Labour’s “enemies” – the non-woke, conservative people, “conspiracy theorists” and the anti-mandate crowd, as well as National and ACT.
  
  You would have thought Mediaworks with the millions they spent setting up TodayFM with some new ferocious hosts could have left leaning compliant Radio NZ and left/right/centrist ZB for dust if they held the powerful (Labour) to account for their childlike behavior fueling inflation with overspending by tens and tens of billions of dollars each year since covid.
  
  Sadly for TodayFM and the ever suffering public (unless one is from the “elite”) it was not to be. As Today FM goes under so does the ever suffering lower and middle classes, with Labour laughing all the way to re-election in October still with $$$hundreds of millions up their sleeve to bribe the voters.
  
  Mediaworks and Today FM let the people down and let themselves down.
  
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  April 1, 2023 12:04pm
ClanMcleod

Here’s some home truths about renewable energy. Someone send it to Luxon. Virtue signaling about “climate change” is not great policy.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/global-warning-the-wind-and-solar

there is an old saying among outlaws:

break only one law at a time.

if you’re going to speed, don’t carry contraband.

if you’re going to carry contraband, don’t speed.

this is how you avoid getting into real trouble.

break both at once, and that’s how you wind up in the pokey.

this goes double for laws of nature.

ignoring the laws of physics is bad.

ignoring the laws of economics is bad.

but ignore both at once and no matter how rakish you may feel, you’re headed for clownworld calamity.

Luxon is being given bad advice. NZ is already around 70% renewables. There is no way to get to 100% or even close, without breaking the laws of physics and economics. It is currently impossible.

the simple fact is this: “green energy” as currently conceived makes no sense.

it’s not cost competitive. it’s not real baseline energy. it cannot provide reliable power to grids without massive fossil fuel backups, and the more determined we get to implement wind and solar, the fewer real solutions (like nuclear) are possible. it’s a one way ticket to energy insecurity. and it’s entirely avoidable.

These are two superb posts on the stupidity and disingenuousness being employed by the green movement. The link at the top of this post and this one.

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/eu-physics-denial-has-come-home-to
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April 1, 2023 8:41am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I’m always a bit frowny-faced when I hear people describe nuclear as a ‘solution’. Calling it a solution implies there’s a problem.
  
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  April 1, 2023 8:47am
  - Master Mariner
    
    Along a similar vein is naming Fossil fuels as coming from Fossils, They dont.
    I’ll keep on going, Deep Sea Drilling as spouted by the Lunatic Greens, What is this so called “Deep Sea” ?
    What is “Deep Sea” fishing as well ?
    I’ve yet to have it explained to me in a logical argument.
    But Hey, Its all about a Great Slogan.
    
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    April 1, 2023 9:04am
    - kowtow
      
      Same with hydrogen as a green fuel solution .
      
      The commentariat keep going on about it as the next great thing.
      
      They never talk about how it can be mass produced cheaply.
      
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      April 1, 2023 9:55am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Im involved in the green energy industry. I don’t believe climate change is a problem. But it’s clear that cheap grid scale solar making hydrogen is going to be cheapest energy source for consumers in 10-20 years.
        
        Distributing hydrogen to home fuel cells costs about 20-30٪ of what it costs for grid connected electricity. So I expect hydrogen to take over for energy distribution.
        
        Desert based solar is already cheapest electricity. And making hydrogen from it will soon be cheap.
        
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        April 1, 2023 12:07pm
      - kowtow
        
        nothingleft
        
        Thanks for that and not being cheeky , but always the promises with these distant time scales ……….
        
        I have read learned articles which say the promise is there but the technology toproduce just isn’t.
        
        It’ s like , and please bear with , a scam to get investors ( and perhaps huge tax payer subsidies) and ESG fools on board but might never happen.
        
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        April 1, 2023 1:26pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        The overall amount of energy required to make “green” (or any usable) hydrogen makes it stupendously expensive. Until that changes it’s going nowhere except for bullshitting gullible people with green-washing presentations.
        
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        April 1, 2023 2:45pm
      - Simon Arnold
        
        Nothing left, to get electricity to the home using hydrogen doesn’t stand a chance against just using electricity. Generate electricity, send through a transmission system to have it used in a electrical appliance loses no more than 20% of the electricity, and the marginal cost is the transmission and distribution capacity.
        
        Do it with hydrogen and you start with 25% loss in the high capital cost electrolyser, you then need to compress/cool and presumably put into a pipeline to distribute, at much higher cost than electricity. Transmission losses higher than electricity. Then stick it into a FC and throw away another 40%, and if your house is AC you face inverter losses.
        
        You’re lucky if you have a quarter of your electricity left. We aren’t a desert, and our solar is not our best resource by a long shot.
        
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        April 1, 2023 7:09pm
  - Paulus
    
    There is problem in that we are unable, due to certain peoples, to energise our country by producing enough electricity for the future usage and population – even for the expected huge number of EVs alone.
    The UK are via Rolls Royce Engineering are currently producing 27 mini nuclear energy stations.
    Why are you frightened by using the word Nuclear – we use it in medicine very day and have done so for years.
    
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    April 1, 2023 9:09am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Not yet they aren’t. The Rolls Royce reactor hasn’t got regulatory approval yet, probably years away.
      I am sure RR is in discussions with 27 power companies who may be potential purchasers. But no contracts have been signed
      The RR reactor has great potential but there won’t be a RR electric power plant till 2040 or thereabouts.
      
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      April 1, 2023 10:08am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        I think the planet will still be here in 2040 even if we carry on as we currently do.
        All of the previous 10 or so claims of “we’re all dead in 5 years” didn’t eventuate. Nor will the next 10.
        
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        April 1, 2023 10:35am
      - sirknz
        
        @ Clan
        
        Asteroid Apophis gets awfully close in 2029…
        
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        April 1, 2023 11:19am
      - rouppe
        
        Which would be better: development occurring at the same time as regulatory approval is sought, so that it can be deployed straight away; or regulatory approval being sought, taking 10-20 years, then development occurring, which would take another 5/10/15
        
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        April 1, 2023 12:42pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        If the entire developed world shuts down all fossil fuel energy right now (which would literally be genocide), it will make an infinitesimally small percentage of 1C reduction in average global temps by 2100. Please pull your head out and stop supporting madness.
        
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        April 1, 2023 2:48pm
    - Simon Arnold
      
      I really don’t know what the worry is about, we don’t need nuclear – we have a good stack of relatively low cost generation ahead and (and I’d add people forget growth in our geothermal that does everything nuclear might do in terms of base load).
      
      Just don’t sweat the last few percentage points of electricity generation, and even then there’s biomass if you must.
      
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      April 1, 2023 7:20pm
  - Colville
    
    Lack of electricity on a cold calm morning isn’t a problem?
    
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    April 1, 2023 9:22am
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      I think the idea is that nuclear would be used _instead_ of ruinables, not as a backup for them.
      Still, nowadays, who knows?
      
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      April 1, 2023 10:14am
    - thirteenstars
      
      Not to the Greens, Labour and now National, no, it’s not.
      
      It’s a religion after all and when you’re shivering, wrapped in your snuggly, praying for the wind to blow, think of it as penance for your sins.
      
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      April 1, 2023 10:18am
    - pdm
      
      Colville – what about fog?
      
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      April 1, 2023 10:54am
  - O C Smith
    
    Not if you’re serious about reducing co2.
    
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    April 1, 2023 2:55pm
- Nickc2
  
  Without subsidies, there’d be no so-called Green energy.
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:28am
- tedbear
  
  Here’s another home truth –
  There no such thing as renewable energy.
  Energy that’s been used cannot be renewed.
  
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  April 1, 2023 10:41am
  - Nickc2
    
    Very true. I hadn’t thought of it that way.
    
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    April 1, 2023 11:41am
    - tedbear
      
      Nickc2
      
      Try an experiment.
      Light a candle and blow it out.
      The energy that caused the flame to go out is your breath and that one single breath has been used.
      If you want to light another candle and blow that flame out, you require another breath.
      
      That’s exactly the position with wind turbines.
      Today’s wind gusts cannot be used tomorrow.
      
      The same goes for sun rays.
      
      And the same goes for those who use the term ‘renewable electricity’.
      
      It’s not rocket science. It’s basic logic.
      
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      April 1, 2023 12:29pm
      - rouppe
        
        A metaphor I use is that the energy grid is basically a big bucket with a whole bunch of taps in it. Each tap is a household. As more households turn on the taps the bucket is drained more quickly.
        
        But it takes time to fill the bucket so it has to have more energy in it than is actually needed at any given time. That excess is essentially wasted because as you say, the grid doesn’t store the excess.
        
        Compare that to natural gas. When I burn gas, I burn only what I need. Once I’m done, the gas stops flowing and all the potential energy in the gas remains in the pipe until I open a tap again. That’s got to be more efficient.
        
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        April 1, 2023 12:55pm
  - Lance
    
    Rather pedantic there, but yes the sun is a finite resource but 4 billion years remaining before it becomes unstable isn’t a pressing concern
    
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    April 1, 2023 12:30pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Perhaps recurring energy would be a better name? So far at least it seems the sun is likely to rise again to heat the solar panels, the wind will come again to move the blades of the windmills and the rain will fall again to turn the turbines in the hydro stations.
    
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    April 1, 2023 7:55pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I would much rather a policy that cuts the red tape letting power companies pay for their own facility rather than this half wit government’s policy to build lake Onslow for a dry period, this policy is only about making the RMA easier for the power companies
  
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  April 1, 2023 12:36pm
Maggy Wassilieff

If you can’t get to sleep at 1am on a work-day morning, try taking some exercise….

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/teenage-girls-smash-19-vehicles-at-whangarei-car-dealership/HAD4DLWMEREJ5KBREWU5I6GWYU/
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April 1, 2023 8:50am
- Lee C
  
  I find just thinking of teenage girls and I’m out like a light Maggy…
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:14am
  - pdm
    
    Lee C – I have too many teenage granddaughters to think like that.
    
    Thankfully to my knowledge none of them have the instincts to be vandals
    
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    April 1, 2023 10:57am
- ecco
  
  New Zealand is in serious trouble with this sort of behaviour and no mechanism to actually properly punish these delinquents due to their age. Be interesting to know who is responsible for these junior crims.
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:24am
  - artemisia
    
    Who is responsible? How about parents. Along with any other penalties LOL set up debts and make deductions from parent income until the offspring have an income. Then deduct from that instead. If not paid, community work. If they don’t turn up arrest them.
    
    If it takes years so be it.
    
    Having said that I know a few good parents with feral offspring. All the same, make parents responsible.
    
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    April 1, 2023 10:03am
  - kowtow
    
    Puata Chaney , 3 years 5 months for Sofitel shooting.
    
    There is no real punishment .
    
    Soft on crime.
    
    Social contract torn asunder .
    
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    April 1, 2023 10:52am
    - sirknz
      
      Could his cultural report not get him under 24 months for home detention? Clearly colonialism is the root cause here…
      
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      April 1, 2023 11:23am
    - GJM
      
      Why don’t the media report the real sentence. He gets an automatic 50% reduction under the sentencing act. He will be out in 2 years or less
      
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      April 1, 2023 12:31pm
    - rouppe
      
      with the judge noting … his difficult upbringing
      
      How is anyone going to get the message that murder is heinous if all these excuses keep being made
      
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      April 1, 2023 1:05pm
  - pdm
    
    ecco – great example set for them last weekend by Cabinet Minister Marama Davidson and her oddball cronies.
    
    Is it just `follow the leader’?
    
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    April 1, 2023 10:59am
- Bobba Fret
  
  What the hell are these young people thinking? When I was 13, I would never have even thought of breaking in to a shop let alone just smashing cars up randomly. I assume they get some sort of enjoyment in smashing valuable things and causing grief to other people.
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:39am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @Bobba Fret-
    I suggest the newly crowned NZ Young Person of the Year be employed to go and hang out with these girls to try to remediate their behaviour.
    I am sure he/she/they, as a recognised, prize winning role model for young people, could set them on a more positive, law abiding path – no?
    
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    April 1, 2023 10:11am
    - sirknz
      
      Probably be too scared to turn up due to unspecified death threats…
      
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      April 1, 2023 11:24am
  - Nickc2
    
    Wrap-around assistance and more free money required?
    
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    April 1, 2023 10:12am
- Inandout
  
  Maggy, I see another likely source of wayward teenagers is to be created in Whangarei.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/new-public-housing-development-in-whangarei-will-be-largest-in-northland/7UQ5SAQCTBFULEHBP776V6Z4JU/
  
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  April 1, 2023 10:13am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Those girls really don’t like Kias
  
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  April 1, 2023 8:09pm
kowtow

If the other te media organs hadn’t made such a fuss of YesterdayFM going off air ………no one would have noticed .
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April 1, 2023 8:54am
- ClanMcleod
  
  kowtow – there are many in the industry stocking up on adult diapers……..there’s a bit of pants pooing going on and deservedly so.
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:36am
Chris Nisbet

Think the Napier flooding was bad? Check this video out…
https://youtu.be/Fri-lXx01x4
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April 1, 2023 8:54am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Tennessee.
The other day I mentioned America does not have a gun problem, it has a mental health problem disguised as a gun problem.
Regular commenter here said I was wrong. Most lefties thing banning guns will fix things. They have no answer for the crims not complying.
Anyway, here is a person with a mental health problem. She was able to get a gin license, buy 2 semi auto rifles, a hand gun and amo. The background checks must have been shit, unless she used another ID.
From the item:
“we know from tragedies like this that additional glorification of the shooter could inspire others to take similar violent acts for attention.”
This shows there are many others on the edge.

https://rossduhboss.com/trans-advocates-decry-calls-to-release-nashville-school-shooters-manifesto
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April 1, 2023 8:55am
- Mike
  
  No doubt that many of these mass murderers are mentally ill. What your glib slogan ignores is that comparable ‘developed’ countries, with comparable rates of mental illness, do not have the same persistent rate of mass shootings by deranged or evil people.
  That just might suggest, perhaps, that there is an issue connected to ease of access to firearms overall.
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:04am
  - mawm
    
    Have you ever looked into the per capita number of mass shootings in other countries with more gun control than the USA? You’d be surprised.
    
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    April 1, 2023 10:20am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Indeed and the US Mass Shooting figures are distorted by the very high number of Gang related shootings- happening in Democrat controlled cities with Gun Control.
      Take those out and the number is a lot smaller.
      People also forget that every year around 3 million crimes are stopped or prevented by someone using a gun in self defence.
      Its sad the crime is so bad that people feel the need to be armed.
      Any ideas on how to take the guns off the bad guys?
      
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      April 1, 2023 11:12am
      - Mike
        
        That’s cute of you guys. Claim that comparisons don’t show the obvious and, additionally, invent spurious other political factos that you can pretend should be taken into account.
        Not that it matters, seeing as many mattets of clear public preference, such as gun control or access to abortion, are effectively off the table due to a fatally flawed political system.
        
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        April 1, 2023 1:32pm
      - mawm
        
        Mike – so you didn’t look into mass shootings elsewhere but are still quite happy to sprout your usual s#!t. I’m serious about this because if you take away the shootings mentioned by AoR and only look at mass shootings (I think it’s defined as 3 or more people) then the US figures are nothing extraordinary. You might have to dig deep into the FBI figures and their comparisons.
        
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        April 1, 2023 2:00pm
      - Mike
        
        You are welcome to post your assumptions, data and conclusions that prove having the weakest firearms restrictions in the developed world has no impact on gun violence.
        
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        April 1, 2023 2:34pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Switzerland.
      
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      April 1, 2023 1:40pm
  - MCōs
    
    The person who killed the people in the school the other day was able to legally purchase the guns they used despite it being known they were mentally ill
    It’s not a matter of taking guns off people, but not letting the obviously inappropriate people get them in the first place.
    That’s just a start.
    
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    April 1, 2023 11:40am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Are you saying Transgenders are ‘Mentally Ill?
      
      She was known to have issues but was not classed as ‘mentally Ill .
      I guess you think transgenders should be…
      That’s harsh.
      
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      April 1, 2023 12:34pm
      - Ghost
        
        The 28-year-old school shooter who opened fire inside a Nashville private Christian school on Monday morning had a mental health disorder, according to the Metro Nashville Police Department.
        
        In a press conference Tuesday afternoon, MNPD Chief John Drake said Audrey Hale, the shooter who shot and killed three 9-year-olds and three school staff members, told reporters Hale was under doctor’s care for an emotional disorder.
        
        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/nashville-school-shooter-had-mental-health-disorder-police-say/ar-AA19bBum
        
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        April 1, 2023 12:44pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        AOR it’s clear MCOS was simply stating it was known the person had serious mental health issues and therefore should not have been able to purchase gun/s.
        
        Are you saying we should beat our wives? You get the picture (I hope).
        
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        April 1, 2023 2:58pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Ghost.
        Did you notice that Mike has gone back to the basement and locked the door?
        Anyway, did MNPD Chief John Drake know of the mental disorder?
        The usual excuse is the parents or grandparents did not see any hidden weapons at home.
        
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        April 1, 2023 4:16pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I would give you more ticks for that statement but can’t MCos.
      
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      April 1, 2023 1:38pm
    - mawm
      
      MCos – Hmmm, did I read somewhere that she used a fake/other identity…..
      
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      April 1, 2023 2:02pm
      - MCōs
        
        I was using this person as an example.
        While I’m not saying that every mentally unwell is dangerous it does seem that ever time these school shootings are perpetrated by unstable people
        
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        April 1, 2023 3:52pm
      - mawm
        
        For once you have posted something sensible. This author writes some as well.
        “The Decades of Evidence That Antidepressants Cause Mass Shootings” https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/the-decades-of-evidence-that-antidepressants
        
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        April 1, 2023 8:20pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Background checks Mike. They need to go right into the medical history. See what drugs they have been taking, and un-prescribed drugs. Lovely mix. Psychological examination as well.
    Human Rights breached my left tit. The evaluation has to be confidential.
    These people are cowards with a mental health problem. Gun free zones are the target places. I still have not found out if the Covenant School was in one of those places.
    I don’t know how many guns in the US, but it is way over 430 million. If guns were a problem the US would know about it.
    Mental Health and drugs are the problem – all disguised as a gun problem. The left just can’t see that.
    The NZ Govt also has no plan for the gang’s guns, but the law abiding must hand them in.
    
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    April 1, 2023 1:37pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Most of this can be sheeted home directly to loony left govt policy causing societal decay.
    
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    April 1, 2023 2:51pm
    - Mike
      
      Despite the US never having had a left-wing government.
      
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      April 1, 2023 5:15pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Mike what a patently absurd statement. Biden is onboard with the lunatic ideology of people like AOC. About as left wing as you can get.
        
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        April 1, 2023 5:25pm
- James Stephenson
  
  Yep. Shooting up the place has become a self-perpetuating copycat meme. Feel like an insignificant loser? Grab a gun an lead the headlines for a month!
  
  Definite parallels with our youth suicide program in NZ.
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:14am
  - kowtow
    
    Much of it is down to te media pardy .
    
    From the inception of “mass shooting” in USA they , te media pardy ,have hyped these things up to the point where all manner of losers copy cat in order to create some sort of attention to themselves or their dubious cause .
    
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    April 1, 2023 12:47pm
- Inandout
  
  The weirdness of ‘gendering’ has reached ridiculous levels.
  
  ‘During a Tuesday panel discussion on CNN, host Don Lemon noted that it was unusual to have the shooter, 28-year-old Audrey Hale, identify as a transgender person.
  
  “The police are identifying the shooter as a trans woman, would actually be a trans man,” Lemon explained. “So there’s sort of a misidentification there, but this is all new.”
  
  “I’m just wondering, the identity of being a transgender person and also being identified as a woman, does this pose any sort of difference or difficulty for police?” the CNN host asked. “Because it’s not typically a woman, regardless of how they’re identifying.”
  
  What about the poor dead people you fucking idiot?
  
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  April 1, 2023 10:25am
  - Ghost
    
    There is a page of her manifesto online, and to be honest, reading it, I’m not sure what she was, so I think the police equally are trying to work it all out
    
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    April 1, 2023 11:45am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump.
Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg until this Friday to comply with their request for information regarding the latter’s plot to arrest 45th President Donald Trump, even after Bragg has remained defiant against Congress’s requests.
Friday is today over there. He cherry-picked 6 pages from 330. Jim Jordan is on the committee, he does not stand for much nonsense and is very thorough.

https://rossduhboss.com/house-gop-gives-bragg-march-31-deadline-over-trump-arrest
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April 1, 2023 9:02am
- Mike
  
  ‘Gym’ Jordan certainly has the requisite experience is not cooperating with law enforcement to make him an expert in trying to disrupt a prosecution.
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:06am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    As usual Mike, the opposite is true. Like Rand Paul, he is a warrior for getting to the truth.
    
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    April 1, 2023 3:00pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Mike has this “Gym” thing. Jim Jordan rarely wears a coat.
      Mike can not stand to see Jim’s level of fitness, because “Gym” goes to the gym.
      I think I got that right, what say you Mike?
      
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      April 1, 2023 4:21pm
      - Mike
        
        No, it’s because in his career as a wrestling coach he pretended not to notice sexual abuse of his team members by his close friend.
        
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        April 1, 2023 5:18pm
      - Ghost
        
        And yet the accusations didn’t come out until a few years ago. With some of those abused claiming that Jordan should have known. The reasons people get away with sexually abusing others is typically because they keep it a secret and those around them do not know. So to tar him for what happened when there is no evidence he knew or covered things up is wrong.
        
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        April 1, 2023 5:23pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “he pretended not to notice sexual abuse of his team members by his close friend.”
        
        Mike’s new mind reading skills again.
        
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        April 1, 2023 5:27pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Looks like the Dems have just gift wrapped Trump’s 2024 nomination.
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:06am
  - septic skeptic
    
    Maybe intentionally?
    
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    April 1, 2023 9:57am
- Paulus
  
  Isn’t it Bragg who wants to get a Democrat House of Representatives seat next – thence a Senate one.
  This is his stepping stone towards corruption as the US system has continually done for years.
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:12am
Ehlana

April 1st is International Firewalk Day and International Pillow Fight Day.

Take your pick.
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April 1, 2023 9:04am
- Mike
  
  Also Edible Book Day and Fossil Fools Day.
  And to commemorate a famous hoax, for Pastafarians it is Ticino Pasta Harvesting Day.
  https://www.pastafariancalendar.com/ticino-pasta-harvesting-day-2023-04-01
  R’amen.
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:10am
- Jethrod
  
  So you end up hot and the bad smell of burning feathers.
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:11am
- emmess
  
  Don’t forget happy ‘Trans Day of Vengeance’
  Or unhappy, now matter how far along their transitions they are, none ever are happy.
  Case in point, 19 times the suicide rate of the general population in the US
  
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  April 1, 2023 10:00am
slightlyrighty

Something that everyone seems to have missed from last week was this exchange between Nicola Willis, Carmel Sepuloni and Dr Duncan Webb.

Nicola Willis: Why isn’t the Prime Minister taking this opportunity to front up and make it clear that this was an egregious breach of the Official Information Act which involved a conspiracy between a Minister’s office and the Prime Minister’s office to decide to hide information from the New Zealand public?

SPEAKER: Order! A couple of things. I’ve reminded members yesterday, and I’ll remind them today, members might not like the question being asked but they are asked in silence.

Hon Dr Duncan Webb: Point of order, Mr Speaker. The member used the word “conspiracy”. Speaker’s Ruling 177/2 says that “Members can’t make implications or imputations in questions that go to matters that could be interpreted as misconduct or corruption”, and that seems to me that—

Having looked back at the record, this rule was put in place by Margaret Wilson.

The implication of this rule is such that should this, or any future government engage in behaviour that can be interpreted as misconduct or corruption, the opposition cannot effectively question it.

The fact that Duncan Webb had this ruling ready to use in this situation is, to put it bluntly, suspicious.

That fact that this rule exists, is, frankly, disgusting. It allows the nature of the act itself to be used as a shield from inquiry on the act.

National could have removed this ruling, but from memory, never needed to.

This rule was introduced by a Labour Speaker, and is now being used by labour to prevent scrutiny.

National needs to bring this rule to the attention of the public. It’s a win-win for National as it promotes their integrity while bringing into question the intergrity of not only this government, but Labour in general.
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April 1, 2023 9:05am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  I wonder if Wilson made that rule when Tito Phillip Fields was done for fraud, I may have been beforehand not sure
  
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  April 1, 2023 12:40pm
- Mike
  
  The implication of this rule is such that should this, or any future government engage in behaviour that can be interpreted as misconduct or corruption, the opposition cannot effectively question it.
  
  No, that implication is not correct. Neither is your assumption that there is something ‘suspicious’ about an MP being aware of the speakers’ rulings.
  
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  April 1, 2023 5:22pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Did Jacinda Ardern ever understand anything about Child poverty in NZ?

https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/why-are-we-making-so-little-progress-towards-reducing-child-poverty
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April 1, 2023 9:08am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Ardern was a smile and nod, vacuous clown. She understood nothing about anything. Seriously. The most fake, fraudulent excuse for a politician in the country’s history.
  She reminds me of one of those old school nodding dogs you used to see in the back of a car.
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:24am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    I have one of those nodding dogs in my camper van. Genuine article sent from Germany.
    
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    April 1, 2023 9:30am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      A thing of beauty and if an original, likely worth a dollar or two!
      
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      April 1, 2023 9:45am
    - gravedodger
      
      Do you call it Jaz by any chance Stella?
      
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      April 1, 2023 11:35am
    - Sparrow
      
      Have my nodding dog on the back shelf of my 1962 Mini Cooper. Before you ask a British bulldog. What else !!
      
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      April 1, 2023 1:02pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  To fix child poverty you first have to stop the poor breeding. Unless you do that the problem will continue and grow. You offer free contraception to start with and then impose financial penalties if this doesnt work.
  You have to take babies and children away from bad situations. This is premise of the Health and Safety Act. Remove the problem. Then you allow good families to adopt these babies and children.
  Then you educate the poor families how to be better just as Bill English proposed. It will require a lot of resources in the early days but will pay off in the future.
  It requires the capacity capability and most important the will that the current bunch of seat warmers in Parliament all lack.
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:39am
  - kowtow
    
    And they have to get an education,even a basic one and not use drugs.
    
    ( This regime couldn’t be arsed if they don’t go to school and signalled drugs use should be legalised)
    
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    April 1, 2023 10:01am
  - Ian Boag
    
    You offer free contraception to start with and then impose financial penalties if this doesnt work.
    
    Sounds good. So – suppose this happens tomorrow. How long might it be until we see results (reduction of child poverty) … ?
    
    take babies and children away from bad situations
    
    Also sounds good. Unfortunately the track record of the state doing the foster care thing is not all that flash.
    
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    April 1, 2023 3:44pm
- Master Mariner
  
  I’d say the same as Grant Robinson’s Well Being budget.
  Both very hard to measure with out easy to define metrics.
  She surely knew how to “redefine” Poverty so understood it perfectly.
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:40am
  - kowtow
    
    That was yet another PR puff piece for te media pardy consumption , domestically for the impressing of your low information thicko voter and internationally for the “progressives” who were so enraptured by her.
    
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    April 1, 2023 10:03am
- Matt Long
  
  She understood it makes a great political slogan and there are people too stupid to look at the evidence.
  
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  April 1, 2023 10:10am
kowtow

Emmerson’s cartoon ( ferald) is the statue of liberty raising a toast to “Trumps many victims”

How many countries did he invade , compared to his recent predecessors .
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April 1, 2023 9:08am
- mawm
  
  His only victims have been the mentally unstable that occupy the far left wing of society. The rest of the USA thrived under him.
  
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  April 1, 2023 10:45am
cas

A friend reminded me yesterday that the rot around OIA requests and how to deal with them/avoid them probably started with the replacement of the corps of private secretaries (who knew everything and were constant between changes of government) by political advisers.
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April 1, 2023 9:17am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Holly Donald was the very woman Sharma called out as conducting training how to avoid the OIA, she is one taking the heat, I bet that is part of the plan
  
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  April 1, 2023 12:43pm
  - stiff cheese
    
    I wonder if Ardern knew that was happening in “the most open and transparent government ever”?
    
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    April 1, 2023 3:23pm
Southern Raider

World has gone mad.

If you are a sportsperson and you call someone a Fag you get suspended at best, but potentially fired from your team

If you are a media personality and you call someone a Fag you likely get stood down or fired

If you are a politician and you call someone a Fag you would loose any Ministries you have and be severely demoted

If you are transgender and call someone a Fag you get elevated in lights and given a national award
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April 1, 2023 9:22am
- Swifty
  
  Quite the hypocrite isn’t he?
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:50am
Prince

Can anyone explain the ‘shell game’ that our Health system is playing ?
Three years ago Labour announced a new ‘By Maori, for Maori’ Health system.
Is that Te Whatu Ora ? Or is TWO a new name for the ‘old’ Health Ministry ?
If the latter, what is the new Maori Health bureaucracy called ?
Why are 1600 jobs being disestablished ? Is that related to the new Maori Health system ? If so, how does that improve ‘outcomes’ ?

Have Labour finally realised that all their ‘investment in Health infrastructure’ has actually been spent on expanding dead weight bureaucracy, and clogging up actual Health outcomes. So they are now slicing off that bureaucracy in an effort to return to the world of 2017 ?
And where is that Maori Health system they so proudly announced ?
It all seems very opaque. Given that Little and Hipkins were the architects, it’s probably just another announcement that turned out to be a total disaster.
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April 1, 2023 9:23am
bythesea

For those that enjoyed the Please Explain cartoons (Pauline Hanson) there have been some new ones coming out the last few weeks.

This last one was great:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj8mWk0jGfU

We could use a NZ version for the 1840 treaty and today’s ethnocentric revisionists…
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April 1, 2023 9:31am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

From my emails yesterday. I missed it. I want to be a manager. Oh wait. Looks like the job will be very short. There’s gonna be a showdown.

https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/taxpayer_update_230328
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April 1, 2023 9:37am
- Swifty
  
  Vote buying, plain and simple.
  
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  April 1, 2023 9:48am
- I remember when
  
  If, as the Taxpayers’ Union have stated, the number of managers in public sector social services, health and education has grown by 43.4% –
  
  how do they explain their results?
  
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  April 1, 2023 10:07am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Public Sector does not have results. They do nothing.
    
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    April 1, 2023 10:40am
  - sirknz
    
    I work with an Indonesian chap, he has said that he has heard that working in the public sector is chilled and laid back, you don’t have to work too hard. If you don’t get your work done, oh well.
    
    He thinks that he would be bored if he worked in an organisation like this.
    
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    April 1, 2023 11:37am
Swifty

Farewell old timer, and thanks.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/131608492/life-story-world-war-ii-veteran-colin-cochran-a-quiet-man-of-few-words
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April 1, 2023 9:44am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I like stories like that.
  Thankyou for your Service, Colin Cochran.
  
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  April 1, 2023 10:46am
I remember when

If the WEF want to start influencing doubters, they could start with their multinational members agreeing to pay reasonable taxes internationally.
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April 1, 2023 9:58am
ClanMcleod

The “woke” movement is beyond stupid. A kid is DQ’d from a Pokemon card tournament for laughing when asked what his pronouns were.

https://twitter.com/DRaGoN_KoBRa/status/1641052323702099968

The “woke” movement is beyond dangerous, we saw it last Saturday. Arizona Governor Katie Hobbs’ press secretary has resigned after tweeting this abomination after the murder of 3 children and 3 adults by a trans shooter.

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/national-international/top-aide-to-arizona-gov-katie-hobbs-resigns-over-transphobes-gun-tweet/3010165/
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April 1, 2023 10:01am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Let’s do some record breaking benchpressing.

https://valiantnews.com/2023/03/man-crushes-female-bench-press-record-toppling-transgender-champion-with-ease/
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April 1, 2023 10:04am
BeaB

Interesting judgements on Jacinda Ardern from four former PMs in the Herald this morning. John Key is typically acute but generous, Clark and Palmer pull their punches but Jim Bolger is unequivocal- she handled the mosque tragedy well but everything else has been a shambles, dismantled now not by the opposition but by her own party, and she has made race relations much worse, probably for many years, because of her failure to explain co-governance. ‘Shambolic’ is his verdict on her tenure.
It’s damning and true.
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April 1, 2023 10:11am
- ClanMcleod
  
  BeaB – I detest Ardern, but my disagreement re her handling of the mosque tragedy isn’t because of this dislike of her.
  
  At the time of the shooting, I thought she was a decent enough leader of the Labour Party, but I remember practically throwing up in my mouth when she donned the hijab and pulled her frowny, sad face. That’s the day I saw her for the fake she clearly is. From then on, I saw through her every bullshit mannerism. That actually helped me in the early days of the covid crap. Because I knew that I couldn’t trust a word that ever came out of her mouth.
  For that at least I can thank her. She opened my eyes in a big way.
  
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  April 1, 2023 10:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Me too. But I was also aware of her fakeness after that 2009 comrades speech.
    
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    April 1, 2023 10:50am
    - Bridgenag
      
      Also the $79m spent buying back old guns
      
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      April 1, 2023 11:13am
      - kowtow
        
        Her “handling” of that matter re invigorated the ACT party .
        Created quite a solid base of motivated voters for Seymour , who’re still on board.
        
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        April 1, 2023 12:52pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Old guns, and 87 shotgun barrels. Fuck they are thick.
        Now there are 87 sawn off shotguns. Unbelievable that they could not work that out.
        
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        April 1, 2023 1:49pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Her Illegal wearing of the burka was utterly sickening, women have been murdered since for copying her style
    
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    April 1, 2023 12:46pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      All theatre.
      
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      April 1, 2023 1:50pm
I remember when

The Co-chairs of C4LD met Kieran McAnulty at the Beehive to discuss their 3 Waters concerns.
“Based on discussions it appears some minor changes are being considered.
However, there needs to be much further movement to achieve broad consensus and for the reforms to be palatable to our member Councils and the wider community.
It has always been about ownership, effective control and influence of our assets.
It’s an issue of basic property rights.
We followed up our offer to work together in a letter to the Minister and Prime Minister.”
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April 1, 2023 10:15am
ClanMcleod

“The word woman is adequate for it’s job.”

https://www.thenewera.uk/p/the-word-woman-is-adequate-for-its

There is a link to a video worth watching called “Adult Human Female”.
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April 1, 2023 10:15am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

From comments in yesterday’s Stop Co-Governance.
What will Cindy Kiro do? Nothing?

One New Zealand Foundation Inc. One New Zealand Foundation Inc. on March 31, 2023 at 9:49 am
By convention, the Governor-General acts on the advice of the Prime Minister and other Ministers of the Crown when exercising public powers, but the Governor General also has, “Reserved Powers; to act without, or even against ministerial advice are reserved for the most extreme situations”.
I believe it’s time the Governor General step in and used her “Reserved Powers”. What is happening in New Zealand today are, “Extreme situations” and the Governor General must use her “Reserved Powers” to stop it.
Maori today, have become “Partners with the Crown” and are in the process of forming a “Co-government with the Crown”. This is not what Queen Victoria agreed to when she signed the Treaty of Waitangi in 1840; the tangata Maori were to become British Subjects with the same rights as the people of England, not in “Partnership or Co-government with the Crown” which is “fundamentally incompatible with New Zealand’s constitutional and legal arrangements”, therefore, is destroying our democracy.
I believe pressure must be put on the Governor General to use her, “Reserve Powers”. While it has never been used in New Zealand, New Zealand has never been in such an, “Extreme situation” by a “Roque Government”. She has the power to do it, so what is she waiting for?
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April 1, 2023 10:27am
- fernglas
  
  What exactly would you like her to do? Does she “Put a Stop to it” by issuing a proclamation that “There is Too much of It going on”? Or maybe a stern edict that “It wouldn’t Have happened in My Day”?
  
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  April 1, 2023 1:13pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I would like her to do her job to put a stop to this Co-Governance and 2 waters Coup.
    But she takes advice from Mr Fixit, so nothing will happen.
    
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    April 1, 2023 1:54pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      5 waters***
      
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      April 1, 2023 4:29pm
thirteenstars

Just listening to Kellie-Jay Keen’s live show about her experience in the Antipodes, and she said:

“We had a load of kids who like doing some sort of work experience in media, actually being taken seriously…”

Oh, man, devastating sledge.

And again, NZ Police, hang your bloody heads in shame.
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April 1, 2023 10:55am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Forward that to cuddles Coster.
  
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  April 1, 2023 1:56pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Here’s the woman herself saying it:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/live/pTD8xFpxe_4?feature=share&t=386
  
  I had to rewind the video and watch it a couple of times she said it in such an offhanded manner.
  
  Great stuff. She nailed the NZ media.
  
  And while I’m here: NZ Police, hang your bloody heads in shame.
  
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  April 1, 2023 6:11pm
Chuck Bird

Luxon said that the attack on the women at Albert Park was mostly peaceful. Someone said he walked it back.

Does anyone have a link to that walk back, please?
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April 1, 2023 11:05am
- Matt Long
  
  Yeah, and Luxon is mostly an effective opposition leader.
  
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  April 1, 2023 2:20pm
Maggie Pie

What came first, the chicken OR…..

Earlier in the week if you recall, I raised the question as to whether Marama’s hateful racist remarks about “white cis men” were recorded before-OR-after she was run over by a motorbike?

We need to discover the timeline on this, because Chippy used the LAME EXCUSE of the accident to excuse and justify her abhorrent behaviour 🙁
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April 1, 2023 11:07am
- thirteenstars
  
  Sean Plunket suggested a Warren Commission type of investigation. Timelines, angles, magic bullets–in this case a magic motorbike–who was lurking on the Grassy Knoll, etc.
  
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  April 1, 2023 11:37am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Scrolling back, it looks like I might have even beaten milkey to it…..
    
    April 1st : ‘TRANSGENDER-DAY-OF-VISIBILITY’
    
    https://twitter.com/NewshubNZ/status/1641898420196757505
    
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    April 1, 2023 12:39pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Page gone, I wonder why?
      
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      April 2, 2023 7:54am
- I remember when
  
  We don’t even know if the pedestrian crossing was controlled by traffic lights.
  
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  April 1, 2023 12:18pm
- gravedodger
  
  I believe Maggie the brush with possibly a Motorcycle “Mirror” happened around mid Morning, tennish, the offensive slurs on white male born men was nearer midday and followed by the repeat show while waltzing along a street later.
  I am willing to be corrected.
  
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  April 1, 2023 1:48pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YIP…you could of course be correct GD.
    
    Just that a bestie who was at the rally to support Posie, told us the reverse had happened in relation to the timeline Chippy came out with.
    
    In addition to that, it was later confirmed by a caller to ZB’s Francessca Rudkin’s show @9:47am on Wednesday….that the sequence of events was the exact opposite of what Maramadrama had described and should be investigated.
    Her comments went unchallenged by the Host.
    
    Just saying.
    
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    April 1, 2023 2:19pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      She seems to have been given a free pass by the media, that’s for sure.
      
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      April 2, 2023 2:25am
- Surely Knott
  
  Oooooh. The Marama scandal’s latest twist.
  
  Marama appears to be wearing a kidney impact protection vest in the motorbike stills .
  
  Gosh lucky she had it on. That’s a weird thing to wear. Doesn’t seem to be wearing it on later in the day.
  
  https://twitter.com/Pukeko65/status/1641622680649756672
  
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  April 1, 2023 5:00pm
  - Ghost
    
    Or she is wearing a back brace
    
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    April 1, 2023 5:16pm
    - Surely Knott
      
      Maybe. But she appears to have taken it off later in the day.
      It would be good if they released the full video of the event, and gave us a correct timeline and the name of the person. Then people would stop speculating. But hmmm looked weird to me.
      
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      April 1, 2023 5:55pm
      - Ghost
        
        I have a back brace to correct posture, I wear for a few hours then take it off, and it bulks up the shirt just like that
        
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        April 1, 2023 7:50pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Love handles? LOL!!
    
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    April 1, 2023 5:33pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/co-governance-and-the-five-different-people-groups-in-nz-society-which-group-describes-you/

Email from Chris in Tauranga:
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Blog-April-1-2023-5-groups-2.pdf
I guess I am one of the awakened.

Activist Samah dropped a small comment yesterday.
Samah on March 31, 2023 at 5:00 pm
Hi there. We would have loved to substantiated the argument but Sean aggressively pushed us into talking about unrelated things. We were preparing to come on and speak about why we were protesting.
Sean meaning The Platform.
Reply:
Julian Batchelor on April 1, 2023 at 8:10 am
boo hoo. As long as you trash the rights of others to free speech, you will keeping losing the respect of Kiwis and increase our support. Keep it up.

This Samah is the one who gave a speech last Tuesday at the Mt Eden Hall on the lawn.
Council cancelled Stop Co-Governance Hall meeting, but did not cancel the speech on the lawn. The lawn is Council property.
Double standard from Council’s Claudia Wyss.
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April 1, 2023 11:10am
Maggy Wassilieff

Blogger Thomas Cranmer discusses another OIA shenanigan involving a Government Minister

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/thomas-cranmer-hipkins-struggles-to-contain-official-information-act-scandal
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April 1, 2023 11:18am
Bernard Black

I love Rock music, I have been playing guitar for 35 years, my fingers can dance the fret board and I can belt out power chords all day long.
Singer, not so much, I can sing and carry a tune, but my range is limited and I can only get real power in certain keys, I accept that I am no Freddy Mercury.

But what if I didn’t accept that? What if I was delusional and believed I am a fantastic vocalist, up there with the best.
What if I could then get loads of people to go along with that delusion and tell me I really am a great, including high profile people, government ministers even, furthering my belief in my own lie.

Then up pops someone who is truly a great vocalist, say Bruce Dickinson for example, and says no you are delusional, your actually pretty crap, bursting my bubble.

How would I feel? angry with him, upset, perhaps I would abuse him online, maybe I would want to punch him, how dare he go against the narrative that I am truly great.

And here is the problem with the trans women are real women mob.
Clearly they are not real women, putting on makeup and a dress does not, and will not make them a real woman.
They are delusional, but somehow they have convinced many people in high places to not just share, but also encourage their delusions.
And woe betide anyone who stands up and pops their narcissistic bubble, we know what happens then, we saw it last Saturday.

How we got to this state of affairs I do not know, but I do know we must push back against it.
No you can’t share a changing room with little girls, or do time in a womens prison for your rape conviction.
We will not share a delusion that takes away rights for 50% of the population!
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April 1, 2023 11:23am
- I remember when
  
  Are there two very different questions with the present argument about the trans population.
  The first is a medical one which is a personal decision made in consultation with medical experts.
  The second, is how such people are treated as to their legal rights.
  Neither of these questions would seem to have been advanced as a result of the posie parker affair.
  
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  April 1, 2023 12:14pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There is a saying (Paraphrased)
  If a dad catches a person who identifies as a woman in the girl’s toilet, he will self identify as the tooth fairy.
  I agree.
  
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  April 1, 2023 2:00pm
- stiff cheese
  
  You push back against it by refusing to use Newspeak, which is the Left’s redefinition of common words, or creation of new ones.. All done by the way, without the consent of the common people whose language is being mangled.
  
  Gender terms like man, woman, him, female have always been intrinsically linked to Biology. So ‘transgender’ is a nonsense word: you can’t change your gender. You can pretend to be anything you like — and I don’t want to stop that — but I don’t have to deny REALITY because you want me to.
  
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  April 1, 2023 2:47pm
Maggie Pie

From a girl at tennis this morning…

“What’s the difference between a Pickpocket and a Peeping Tom?”

“A pickpocket snatches watches”

😀 😀 😀
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April 1, 2023 11:29am
- kowtow
  
  Ha ha.
  
  The difference between a circus director and a burlesque director .
  
  One puts on a cunning array of stunts.
  
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  April 1, 2023 12:56pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    Going up the river in a rough cut punt, not a punt cut rough, but a rough cut punt.
    
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    April 1, 2023 1:09pm
    - kowtow
      
      Why did the Oirish call their money the “punt”.
      
      Cos it rhymes with bank manager.
      
      ( pre Euro joke)
      
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      April 1, 2023 1:33pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  I’m guessing internet porn has reduced the number of peeping tom incidents. No need to go out perving.
  
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  April 1, 2023 3:36pm
thirteenstars

Excellent analysis of the Trump indictment from Reason Magazine:

https://reason.com/2023/03/31/the-shaky-new-york-case-against-trump-reeks-of-desperation-to-punish-a-reviled-political-opponent

Considering Reason have a moderate to serious case of TDS it’s more than interesting they have put this out.

Very good read to get the big picture.
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April 1, 2023 11:55am
I remember when

Civilians at risk as gang members target wrong addresses in drive-by shootings, report shows:
Drive-by shootings more than doubled at the height of the inter-gang conflict between the Tribesmen and Killer Beez last year.
During the second quarter of 2022 there were 30 reported drive-by shootings of individuals, vehicles or property, up from 13 the previous quarter.
Of these shootings, there were “multiple instances” where mistaken addresses were targeted.
Rival gangs have fired shots at each other for as long as they’ve existed in New Zealand.

Does anyone else get the idea that the number is important, not that they are happening at all.
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April 1, 2023 11:58am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  QUIZ…
  
  Which Politician said:
  
  “Unless you are a gang member, you have no reason to feel unsafe. I understand gangs can be intimidating, but unless you are a rival member or tied up in the drug trade, you have nothing to fear.”?
  
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  April 1, 2023 2:34pm
Lee C

What’s a four-letter word alternative to ‘snatch’ Maggie?

‘Grab’ of course.
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April 1, 2023 12:31pm
- kowtow
  
  Vicar doing his cross word puzzle , stumped.
  Says to his housekeeper .
  
  Mrs Smith , the clue is ;found on the bottom of a parrot’s cage , it’s four letters and I have it ending in “i t” . But my first two letters just don’t fit.
  
  ‘Grit’ she tells him.
  
  Ah , could I borrow the rubber please.
  
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  April 1, 2023 1:39pm
Its only I

Claire as mud…

Sub cancelled.
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April 1, 2023 12:58pm
Master Mariner

Great for NZ investment ( Not too sure about Data security though !)
Microsoft announces New Data centre. ( Paywalled).

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/microsoft-wins-overseas-investment-office-consent-to-buy-65ha-for-180m-nz-data-centre/SD2CRIC33BDVHEFY4IVHJV4V4Q/

“Collectively, they’ll consume about 200 megawatts of electricity at peak usage – roughly the amount required to power some 200,000 homes. For context, average demand in Auckland today is about 1700MW. ”

Ok, How much is this going to push up prices and where is the Power going to come from ?

Any ideas?
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April 1, 2023 1:09pm
- Matt Long
  
  No matter, MS will be able to crow over their ESG score because the power is renewable.
  Will domestic users, car chargers, or MS take precedence when the grid fails?
  
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  April 1, 2023 2:27pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Where will the power come from?
  Solar panels and wind turbines.
  Snigger.
  
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  April 1, 2023 3:21pm
Swifty

Poverty in New Zealand.

https://www.facebook.com/Timespanner/posts/pfbid0QqHkFcrnVLtBHQKEMwcGS6gLncYbGVgZM6HF26gQKDSDK6t41CCsGW7pAh2TNnXXl

Now we have extremely overweight people, covered in tattoos, latest trainers, multiple cars, don’t work, and pleading poverty and pointing the finger at ‘capitalism’ and a cruel National Party or Wayne Brown.

They make me sick.
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April 1, 2023 1:14pm
- Close Hen Counters
  
  I snorted – chippy getting flu vaccine then eating sausage roll …. Pie last week after visiting old school … the man should be on aspirin and statin if he wants to improve his longevity
  
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  April 1, 2023 4:39pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The very same bullshittery from media when Cindy was crashing in the polls for
    
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    April 1, 2023 7:53pm
CAKE FACE1

I think one of the reasons National / ACT are doing much better now is that the previous policy of appeasement is giving way to assertive condemnation of extreme left-wing ideology.

It is important to call out the communist cabal in the Team of $55 Million as loudly and as often as possible.

The extreme left set up a Disinformation Project, to shut down any opposition to fanatical neo-Marxism. They bullied anyone who didn’t share their extremist viewpoint.

These extreme left wing fanatics are corrupt – they ignored extreme left wing activism hiding in plain sight!

Clearly, if they really wanted to arrest disinformation mongers, they could just send a paddy wagon to Stuff’s headquarters, and take away virtually all of the neo-Marxist sympathisers in one go.

After all, the number of deaths various communist leaders are responsible for in history is staggering. Even the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (Nazis) had socialist roots – as is obvious given their name.

The worst neo-Marxist, socialist and communist collaborators are people in the Team of $55 Million, who pretend that they are neutral, but actually they are extreme left wing fanatics.

These people are sneaky. For example, they will repeatedly call Mr Hipkins ‘Mr Fixit’. Or they will say that no inquiry is needed for Holly Donald, because she is a lovely person. They will smear Posie Parker as an anti-trans campaigner and a Nazi, and claim that doing up her zip is a white supremacist sign.

There comments aren’t necessarily incendiary, but they represent the clever and persistent undermining of truth and democracy. Words matter.

However, I think these deceivers and distributors of disinformation in the Team of $55 Million are now being found out by the mainstream audience.

I suspect that the Team of $55 Million will face some ugly consequences for their treasons over the past few years. Let’s hope that this will be a learning experience for them.
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April 1, 2023 1:48pm
- Its only I
  
  “Let’s hope that this will be a learning experience for them.”
  
  I’m guessing your meaning that in the traditional cense?
  
  The MSN shelter behind a castellated walls built from neatly stacked hubris. They cant even see the world outside, let alone learn something from it.
  
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  April 1, 2023 3:09pm
Swifty

The only thing that surprises me in this story is why he hasn’t been given huge sums by ACC to provide wellness and healing to the masses:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/131343678/the-rise-of-a-guru-and-the-fallout-among-a-divided-community

We would all have our chakras vibrating in no time.
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April 1, 2023 1:50pm
Swifty

More Davidson butt-covering:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/131641753/marama-davidson-right-about-prevalence-of-white-male-violence-says-academic

Davidson‘s original quote was ‘violence in the world’ not just DV in NZ.

They think we’re stupid. Maybe we are.
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April 1, 2023 2:14pm
Maggie Pie

Really sorry to hear Chris Bishop is resigning.

Always thort he provided a bit of ‘back-bone’ to the Nats.
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April 1, 2023 2:26pm
- Matt Long
  
  https://m.facebook.com/story.php/?story_fbid=pfbid05cFhpP1qqRVb3AvsuAFXbGYhvXLx3eLBrLY3Mx9wqUaSpsSh7WTXKxGVDoY8YegHl&id=100044288683620 from the cricket team.
  Yeah funny. I ran out of time this morning but my April fool’s effort was going to be Luxon apologising to people hurt by COVID mandates and Nicola Willis resigning and apologizing to the country for the damage she’d done destabilising Bridges and Collins.
  
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  April 1, 2023 2:35pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Well an easy mistake to make Matty!
    One of the girls from tennis had just phoned to say Chris had posted it on Twitter 🙁
    
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    April 1, 2023 2:49pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Actually…found it!
    
    https://twitter.com/cjsbishop/status/1641891418607353857
    
    I just called Prue to tell her she’d been duped. LOL!!
    But like she said, “What a stupid f**ing thing for Chris to do anyway”
    
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    April 1, 2023 3:00pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Is this available on any of the non-scumbag platforms?
    
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    April 1, 2023 3:01pm
Ghost

Huh, this is still a thing, vaccination events

The prime minister got doubled jabbed at a mass vaccination event in Upper Hutt on Saturday as the Government pushes for early immunisations to ease pressure this winter.

Stuff
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April 1, 2023 2:52pm
- kevn
  
  @Ghost… Hand on heart that it was ‘the’ jab not just some saline alternative. As those in the know are inclined to do.
  
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  April 1, 2023 6:29pm
NZer In Exile

Quick question, if I may.

Does the right to free speech include the right to block other people from speaking by screaming/yelling/heckling so people can’t hear the speaker?

Woke activists seem to think so.
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April 1, 2023 3:19pm
- Ghost
  
  In a public space they are exercising their right to free speech as well, if people don’t want that then they would need to hire a hall and move it inside.
  
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  April 1, 2023 3:41pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Would not the screechers be free to go to their own “public space” for an audience rather than simply setting out to block other’s right to free speech?
    
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    April 1, 2023 4:29pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Your argument appears to be sophistry to me. The only reason why the sane majority don’t behave like the free speech blocking screechers is that they are reluctant to start all an out civil war. The screeching free speech blockers are engaged in a “whatever it takes” all out war with society. They are relying on the civilised majority not behaving like they are in order to get away with their infantile crap. This needs to be stopped. They can have their day in the sun without blocking others. Simples.
    
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    April 1, 2023 4:36pm
    - Ghost
      
      Here are people expressing their right to free speech, who do you support, the speaker or those expressing their free speech
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yzu8AXG-tU
      
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      April 1, 2023 5:06pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I support the speaker. Now if the other noisy person wanted to speak, then wait until the first speech is over. Even Jaspinda has that right of free speech. PM or not, does not matter.
        To drown out the first speaker shows just plain ignorance. Get your hand off me.
        Same happened at Stop Co-Governance at Orewa.
        
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        April 1, 2023 5:18pm
      - Ghost
        
        And yet Steve if those people hadn’t of been speaking over Jacinda their message would never have got out. The media would have cancelled it.
        
        Free speech might have some problems but it’s something we should always protect, not try to place limitations on it
        
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        April 1, 2023 5:29pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        I don’t support the person just shouting crap to drown out the PM. Jacinda had a very bad habit of totalitarian style control of the press. Her dodging reasonable questions from journalists was also deeply pathetic.
        
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        April 1, 2023 5:33pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Free speech isn’t free speech if rando morons are free to just come along and shut it down.
        
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        April 1, 2023 5:49pm
      - Ghost
        
        Still free speech, especially if you decide to hold the event in a public park. They have every right to go along and express their free speech as well. You may not like that, and you may want to claim they do not have the right to be there or to drown out the speaker but they do. You have the right to free speech but that doesn’t mean people have to agree or tolerate with what you are saying, they have the right to respond to that and drown it out.
        
        If someone really wanted to hold an event without that intrusion they’d hire a hall and only allow those in they want. The smart people know what will happen and use it to their advantage to live off it in the media.
        
        I remember back in high school our speech contests allowed for the audience to interject, the speaker had to deal with that and if smart reply to some of the interjections.
        
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        April 1, 2023 10:37pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Your mental gymnastics just tell me you support the thugs veto rather than free speech. Shouting someone down with a bunch of noise is just a thugs veto. Juvenile clowns of the far left love it because they think it’s working for them in the culture wars. Like I said you are eventually going to get civil war, or you are going be forced into civilized and sane behaviour by an eventual “far right” government.
        
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        April 2, 2023 11:06pm
      - Ghost
        
        Oh grow up, I don’t support any thugs. I support free speech and people’s right to free speech. Free speech does not mean people have to agree with or tolerate with what is being said. It is obvious you do not support free speech because you make stupid childish comments when you can’t even accept that others have differing views than you on what free speech is. You only support limited free speech.
        
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        April 2, 2023 11:21pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Name-call and flail about all you like Ghost. You still demonstrate you support the thug’s veto and not free speech. If someone is not permitted to speak just because the message hurts your brain, that is a thug’s veto.
        
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        April 3, 2023 12:13pm
      - Ghost
        
        Nope don’t support thugs, you just aren’t able to understand that people have as much right to reply to free speech as a person has to free speech. You want free speech with limitations. I don’t. Don’t claim i support thug veto when you openly supporting silencing people from having their rights to reply to free speech.
        
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        April 3, 2023 12:15pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Ghost people with adult fully developed brains realise that debate is an exchange of ideas. Having an infantile and often threatening and physically violent group shout-down to stop someone having that exchange is simply a thug’s veto. You know that’s what you support. That’s why you put yourself through these extensive mental gymnastics to try to justify it.
        
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        April 3, 2023 12:35pm
Maggie Pie

And for anyone wondering what whistleblower Julian Assange is up to these days…

https://twitter.com/simonateba/status/1641887306180165645
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April 1, 2023 3:26pm
- mawm
  
  His dad, wife and brother made a movie. I haven’t seen it but it does sound very interesting.
  https://ithaka.movie
  
  And some commentary on it.
  https://www.scottritterextra.com/p/ithaka-revisited
  
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  April 1, 2023 8:33pm
Chris Nisbet

Newshub headline: “Pension shouldn’t go to ‘rich old people who didn’t save for it’: Debate flares over future of Super, call for it to be raised to 70”

Umm, how did these old people get to be rich if they didn’t save for it?

It seems that what Shamubeel actually wants is for ‘rich’ people (i.e. the ones who pay most of the taxes and save their money) to not only pay for their retirement, but pay for the Superannuation of those who _didn’t_ save as well.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/04/superannuation-age-debate-flares-over-future-of-pension-call-for-it-to-be-raised-to-70-not-given-to-rich.html
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April 1, 2023 3:34pm
- Ian Boag
  
  not only pay for their retirement, but pay for the Superannuation of those who _didn’t_ save as well.
  
  Actually they paid for their parents’ retirement. There is no “pension fund” where their money was saved for their retirement. Their kids are paying for it.
  
  Transfers of money from taxpayers at large to other selected groups are usually called “benefits”. They usually have income tests attached ….
  
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  April 1, 2023 3:59pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “Actually they paid for their parents’ retirement”
    So the children of today when at working age will pay for my retirement?
    Yes I can hear the Gen XYZ screaming. In another comment I want to know what the Government-S did with my paid Taxes since 1968?
    Before that, I had a paper round and got taxed on that since 13 years old. Fuck!
    Straight answer please Ian. Seems the NZ Governments are not the best savers — now way into a 100 year overdraft…….
    
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    April 1, 2023 5:27pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      When my partner’s mum saw that, she was furious.
      Made her wonder how someone with a name like Shamubeel even got into the country in the first place? Let alone try and dictate whether she should receive the Super or not!
      
      As ma said…..she probably pays more in tax-on-interest than he EARNS in a year.
      
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      April 1, 2023 5:51pm
    - Ehlana
      
      Perhaps recurring energy would be a better name? So far at least it seems the sun is likely to rise again to heat the solar panels, the wind will come again to move the blades of the windmills and the rain will fall again to turn the turbines in the hydro stations.
      
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      April 1, 2023 8:10pm
    - Ehlana
      
      If you really want to know Steve, look at the government financial reports. They don’t go all the way back to 1968, but the latest are here: https://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/financial-statements-government/year-end-financial-statements
      
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      April 1, 2023 8:12pm
- kowtow
  
  Pension shouldn’t go to people who shunned education and work for their whole lives and sat on a couch smoking dope.
  They’ve had life long “benefits” off the back of working tax payers who’re now going to see them through their twilight years .
  
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  April 1, 2023 8:15pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  It’s about time we set up a public payments schedule. Listing every payment made by the Government (ie net taxpayers) to every adult. Dole, single parent, WFF, accommodation supplement, sickness benefit, the lot.
  
  At age 65 we’ll then see who deserves Super.
  
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  April 1, 2023 8:44pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

In here there is a good voice-over video.
Um, lefties, go down the basement with Mike. Oh, sorry, he locked the door.
Guess you will have to watch or go outside and scream at the sky!

https://finishtherace.com/ella-ford/trump-might-run-for-president-from-prison-its-happened-before/
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April 1, 2023 4:41pm
bjools

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-31/qld-cross-river-rail-cost-blowout-brisbane/102173588
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/485996/auckland-s-city-rail-link-cost-climbs-by-1-billion

Tell me how does a 3.4Km rail tunnel in Auckland, cost almost the same as a 10Km rail tunnel in Queensland?
Where are we spending the money?
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April 1, 2023 5:21pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Exchange rate?//
  
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  April 1, 2023 5:31pm
- greybeard
  
  In Australia they don’t have any of our numerous and recently-discovered / recently created maori gods to appease financially , for any conceivable reason.
  
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  April 1, 2023 5:58pm
ClanMcleod

What a fucking embarrassment this country has become under Labour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su8XLdc26uo&t=313s

And Luxon claims to support this level of shit? What a total joke the politicians are here.
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April 1, 2023 7:46pm
Maggie Pie

And let me say this on behalf of all my Tennis besties….

WHEN Posie comes back, we’ll all be there to show our support…. and protect her from all those nasty violent weirdo ‘cocks-in-frocks’!!

What an absolute moral disgrace this country has descended into after 5 years with Jacinda Ardern as PM 🙁

https://twitter.com/1NewsNZ/status/1642006915742855168
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April 1, 2023 7:49pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  And speaking of ‘moral-decline’….looks like KiwiBank is feeling the heat 😀
  
  GO WOKE – GO BROKE
  
  https://twitter.com/stew_rachel/status/1641950438542155776
  
  Good f***ing job we say!
  
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