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CJames

Has anyone noticed that the government’s (and to a lesser extent National’s) policy on Net Zero and 100% renewables has descended into farce. At least it would be if they weren’t wasting billions of taxpayer dollars on it. And threatening to saddle future generations with crippling debts.
That is why Woods is continuing to push Lake Onslow – Labour can then continue to claim it will “solve” the issue. The proposal wasn’t viable at $4B, yet they still claim it makes sense at $16B. Would you let that kind of magical thinking exist in the accountants running your company?
Onslow won’t generate electricity. It will just give some previously generated electricity back – stepping in when the unreliables aren’t there. Like the other day at 8am when 1040MW of nameplate wind produced 2MW. That is not a misprint, just above zero. It may have actually been less than that as the grid doesn’t record negative values needed to keep the turbines rolling to prevent bearing damage when no wind to drive them.
So to give the surplus to fill the lake, they need to overbuild wind. Prices for wind farms means the power from the ones just built is more expensive than average grid price now. And the price is rapidly going up. New Zealand will need about an extra 50TWh a year from wind to meet their net zero target. Windfarms at best sites are about 45GWh p.a. a square kilometre. You can do the maths of how much land that is – mine says about twice the size of Lake Taupo. Taking into account the secondary effects will make it about ten times larger than the actual farm site. Remember each of those turbines needs a big road built to it and tonnes of concrete. Coming soon to a place near you will be the reality, even for suburbia and ten acre block country. Then you have all the transmission lines (extra costs) marching across the land.
For those that claim we put them at sea, actual accounts for the UK and Europe show they are 3-4 times more expensive there. That is why the UK is paying billions in subsidies each year. https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2023/03/20/london-array-made-excess-profit-of-160-million-in-2021/
But don’t worry. All the virtue signalling chardonnay set in leafy Auckland & Wellington won’t be affected – or maybe they will. The drone and flicker at their country estate could drive (in an EV of course) them away.
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March 25, 2023 8:01am
- Philview
  
  I have noticed that the Government’s entire policy programme has become a farce. Such is the scale of ditched policy it isn’t easy to determine what they are actually doing.
  
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  March 25, 2023 8:08am
  - Paulus
    
    That is what the Government are trying to do, confuse us so we are to believe they are doing something.
    
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    March 25, 2023 1:10pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Net Zero is a colossal, slow moving psyop. It’s a scam that our political leaders have bought into in pursuit of votes from the lied to, indoctrinated hoi polloi. I expected this from naked self-interest from Labour, the Greens and National but ACT paying homage at the Climate Change™ altar is massively disappointing.
  
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  March 25, 2023 8:09am
  - kisekiman
    
    https://jobs.govt.nz/jobs/Otago/MFE-704664-D
    
    2 positions…
    
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    March 25, 2023 11:14pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  People in leafy Auckland and Wellington are all NIMBYs
  
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  March 25, 2023 10:58am
krazykiwi

A notable quote I found this week. It is from Dr Angus Dalgleish, Professor of Oncology at St George’s University of London

As a practising oncologist I am seeing people with stable disease rapidly progress after being forced to have a booster, usually so they can travel. Even within my own personal contacts I am seeing B cell-based disease after the boosters. They describe being distinctly unwell a few days to weeks after the booster – one developing leukaemia, two work colleagues Non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, and an old friend who has felt like he has had Long Covid since receiving his booster and who, after getting severe bone pain, has been diagnosed as having multiple metastases from a rare B cell disorder. I am experienced enough to know that these are not the coincidental anecdotes that many suggest, especially as the same pattern is being seen in Germany, Australia and the USA.

This was in a letter from Dr Dalgleish to Karam Abbasi, the Editor in Chief of the BJM.

I wonder if Chris “Get Boosted” Bishop would care to comment?
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March 25, 2023 8:01am
- ClanMcleod
  
  How much longer can all 121 politicians in Wellington collectively bury their heads in the sand and pretend there is “nothing to see here”?
  
  Surely they will need to come up for air soon???
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:11am
  - Burtland
    
    For Aotearoa its forever.
    
    Sir Ashley Bloomers – the anointed savior of the sheeple – will continue pushing the narrative til he dies.
    
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/486666/negative-excess-mortality-sign-nz-got-it-right-with-covid-19-response-sir-ashley-bloomfield
    
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    March 25, 2023 9:30am
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      If I read the story correctly there’s a suggestion that our reduced mortality was due to lockdowns. I’m a bit perplexed by this as plenty of countries had lockdowns and also have _increased_ mortality.
      And so what, even if it’s true – lockdowns came with plenty of-ve consequences that Ashley didn’t have to concern himself with, but the rest of us are still working our way through.
      
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      March 25, 2023 12:23pm
  - Stellaboxer
    
    How much longer Clan? As long as the media cover for them that’s how long.
    
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    March 25, 2023 10:00am
  - Bob
    
    Some of them never had their heads in the sand, just that the MSM won’t let them breathe.
    
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    March 25, 2023 11:53am
- Cassandra
  
  I have a squamous cell carcinoma which has spread. No big deal compared to lots but big enough. I have 3 friends, we’re all of an age, all in the same suburb of Auckland, all connected to the same service organisation, all vaccinated, all with an SCC diagnosed in the same month. Might well be coincidence but then again…………
  
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  March 25, 2023 10:37am
- rouppe
  
  I am avoiding boosters. I’m also avoiding the flu jab this year.
  
  Not least because of the absolute shit show that is Capital and Coast DHB.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/131595432/not-a-good-time-to-get-sick-data-lays-bare-the-burgeoning-crunch-points-in-our-health-system
  
  By the way, look at the vacancies graph, and see which area has the least vacancies. Management.
  
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  March 25, 2023 10:59am
- cmm
  
  Is anyone at all surprised that cancer etc get a boost from the “vax”?
  
  Consider how your immune system works. You can think about it as an old-style police force with bobbies on the beat looking for bad actors to confront and destroy. Something that comes along and should not be there: bacterium, virus, cancer cell, … it gets attacked.
  
  But a vaccine tells the immune system that there is a serious threat to watch for, so it has reduced resources to hunt down other diseases etc.
  
  Then comes the fake vaccine: Natural vaccines identify the nasties by a wide range of features. The new, synthetic vaccine says there is one, and only one, thing to look out for: a very specific spike protein.
  
  So know your whole immune system is geared up to watching for a specific spike protein. That is all. Anything else that does not exhibit that spike protein is ignored.
  
  It’s like the cops all responding to a fake bank robbery – they ignore people speeding or stealing cars they have been told there more important things.
  
  [Or maybe in Aotearoa we should say they’re ignoring the ram raids and bank robberies to harass some peaceful protesters].
  
  Mess with the immune system at your peril.
  
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  March 25, 2023 5:25pm
krazykiwi

Something a bit lighter: “It’s Fun to Play with your MRNA” by The Pillage People
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March 25, 2023 8:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Similar to The United Spot.
  
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  March 25, 2023 11:07am
mandk

I just don’t know what the world is coming to.

The cartoon in Stuff today features Luxon and Hipkins, and it doesn’t disparage Luxon.

The lefties are very afraid.
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March 25, 2023 8:03am
- 7kiwi11
  
  I actually chuckled at a Stuffed cartoon!
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:52am
- C-Town
  
  Its by Chris Bell, who is slightly less biased than the other Stuff cartoonists. He does the occasional anti-Labour cartoon unlike the others who spend most of their time doing anti-National cartoons.
  
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  March 25, 2023 12:31pm
Biscuit

I need a new keyboard…

Took a moithful of Earl Grey and tabbed down on ‘Stuff’ to the latest cartoon.

A Jeff Bell effort.

And
It
Poked
The
Borax
At
Wee
Chippie

Je was astonished…

78765265283645 bribed-off journos are getting their pitchforks ready as I speak…
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March 25, 2023 8:07am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Oh, that’s very clever!
  
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  March 25, 2023 8:24am
- artemisia
  
  At least he wasn’t cribbing from Mr Luxon’s papers. Maybe that quizzical look means he was wondering whether National asked ChatGPT for edu policy and if he should do the same. Or has he been gazumped.
  
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  March 25, 2023 8:58am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Think about this for a minute. Stuff have heard the outrage of rubbishing Luxon so did an anti Hipkins cartoon.
  
  Today there is an article about Luxon getting his fight back or some crap, the pic had him crouched down like some type of retard, I think he was playing some game with the kids at a school when he released his policy.
  
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  March 25, 2023 11:17am
O C Smith

This link provides live data details of NZ electricity production and can be useful when discussing future production options.

https://www.transpower.co.nz/system-operator/live-system-and-market-data/consolidated-live-data
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March 25, 2023 8:07am
Biscuit

See, I was so shocked I couldn’t even find the ‘u’ key for mouthful!
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March 25, 2023 8:08am
- pdm
  
  Some of know how relentlessly you ridicule us when we send something with a very, very, very minor typo included in it to you.
  
  Keep drinking those mothfulls I say.
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:08am
- ClanMcleod
  
  I thought it was your regional accent….
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:12am
  - pdm
    
    Clan – Biscuit is a Liverpudlian you know.
    
    A `scouser’ in other words.
    
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    March 25, 2023 10:17am
kowtow

Only 3 short months ago the “progressive” media and commentariat were very exercised over the vast swathes of misogyny in NZ that verily drove our Greadest PM from office thereby destroying her dreams of a poverdy and carbon free country .

Misogyny was everywhere and evil.

Today , all those so concerned are perversely displaying the very misogyny they deplored only 3 months ago against a woman coming here to , defend women’s rights .

Isn’t it odd how her opposition is nearly all men .

Including the ones who self describe themselves as women.
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March 25, 2023 8:09am
- Swifty
  
  Haha.
  
  Indeed kowtow.
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:28am
- Gravelroad
  
  @kowtow:
  People can yearn to change their gender.
  Men can say they are really women and can outwardly achieve this through surgery, clothes etc to achieve the change they desire.
  However, changing and recalibrating what is in their heads is a different matter.
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:52am
  - kowtow
    
    Chromosomes don’t lie.
    
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    March 25, 2023 10:34am
- Burtland
  
  equity – racist; gender – misogynist; climate – denier
  
  these words are to control the narrative and trigger people into silence
  if the narrative doesnt work then they just cancel
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:59am
Opie

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/03/covid-19-lockdowns-still-may-have-a-place-in-the-future-sir-ashley-bloomfield-says.html

What the actual?

This guy should be defending criminal charges for his involvement in this, not doing a victory lap and scaring everyone by saying we may need to lockdown again one day.

That’s like a rapist telling a victim to keep an eye out for them, because one day they will be back
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March 25, 2023 8:10am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Selective data as well, and why wasn’t Sir Saint Ash asked about the higher death rate NZ has compared to Sweden, where sanity prevailed.
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:35am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Bloomfield states:
  
  Sir Ashley said he was greatly satisfied that three years on from the first lockdown, Aotearoa still had negative excess mortality.
  
  But I think he’s fudging the data…or trying to divert our attention away from the bleeding obvious… that our death rate increased significantly in 2022.
  
  In 2022, the crude death rate was 7.5 deaths per 1,000 people. This was up from 6.8 per 1,000 in 2021. Between 2016 and 2020, the average crude death rate was 6.7 deaths per 1,000 people.
  
  https://www.stats.govt.nz/information-releases/births-and-deaths-year-ended-december-2022-including-abridged-period-life-table/#:~:text=In%202022%2C%20the%20crude%20death,6.7%20deaths%20per%201%2C000%20people.
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:39am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Fudging, Maggy? Lying or at best misinformed, and the former Director of Health has no business being misinformed.
    
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    March 25, 2023 10:10am
  - kowtow
    
    How many thousands are there now who can’t get treatment ( and back then) are dying and/or living utterly miserable and painful lives due to the irrational lockdowns .
    
    For what , to give a relatively small number of very old and very sick people a cuppla extra weeks ( also in pain and misery).
    
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    March 25, 2023 10:24am
  - cmm
    
    Over the long term excess deaths should average out to zero.
    
    Watching excess deaths too can bring up some very poor decision making because there are so many things that drive it.
    
    Human breeding and dying is not constant. Just look at the Baby Boomer wave.
    In the 1950s there was a wave of extra babies.
    In the 1960s they became a wave of primary school kids.
    In the 1970s they became a wave of secondary kids & university students.
    In the late 1970s/early 1980s there was a wave of weddings…
    And now they’re entering the zone where they are filling retirement villages and falling off the end of the perch.
    
    Also, bad flu will harvest hard. The grim reaper will carry off a lot that should have been next year’s crop. Next year there are fewer.
    
    Likewise, all the shutdowns and hand washing will likely keep away a bunch of flu-like diseases. Mortality will be low and the next year the Grim Reaper will pick up a bumper crop.
    
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    March 25, 2023 5:36pm
- Burtland
  
  “More than 2,250,000 people have been infected with the virus here, despite New Zealand stopping most community transmission in 2020 and 2021.”
  
  so vaxing didnt stop transmission
  
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  March 25, 2023 10:06am
  - krazykiwi
    
    “so vaxing didnt stop transmission”
    
    No. Based on the evidence, quite the opposite.
    
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    March 25, 2023 10:31am
- Ruawai
  
  The only difference between then and now is that daily data on deaths and cases isn’t reported daily by government and media to scare people like during lockdown. Doesn’t mean there are less cases or deaths. And most likely life would have just carried on the same way if we hadn’t had lockdowns etc.
  
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  March 25, 2023 10:07am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Ruawai – partly true, but the biggest difference is that Bloomfield used the cumulative data from the last 3 years. We cowered under our beds for much of the beginning.
    The numbers tell a completely different story once the jab rollout begins.
    
    I’ve given a link to an excellent report on it in my other post. Bloomfield is misconstruing the actual data in a most disingenuous way.
    
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    March 25, 2023 10:21am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Opie – that is disgustingly disingenuous from Bloomfield, and the “journalist” is either totally compliant or a vacuous idiot.
  
  The key point he is claiming is that NZ has negative excess mortality since the start of covid ergo, the policies he oversaw were a success and he’s a hero.
  
  Sir Ashley said he was greatly satisfied that three years on from the first lockdown, Aotearoa still had negative excess mortality.
  
  “What we found in Aotearoa – in 2020, 2021 – we had less deaths than you would have predicted based on the previous years. And whilst once the Omicron variant came along, yes, we did see Covid-related deaths, the numbers have climbed. Still, if you look over those three years, cumulatively, we’re still not back at the level, the number, you would have expected.
  
  Anyone with half a brain should have been able to see the obvious con job at work. CUMULATIVE deaths.
  Remember, we all hid under the bed for an extended period of time at the beginning. Nobody was doing anything, of course excess deaths were down in the first year and a bit.
  
  The real test is examining the numbers since the beginning of the jab rollout. That is a whole different narrative. Numbers increased and continue to do so. The relevant data and proper discussion is well explained here.
  
  As we enter into another year, excess all cause deaths for the first six weeks of 2023 in New Zealand are running at 700 deaths higher than the long term 2010 to 2019 average (as reported by the authoritative Human Mortality Database which tabulates official New Zealand government data).
  
  Allowing for an increase in the population of New Zealand since 2019 of 269,000, excess deaths are running approximately 17% above 2019 rates and 24% higher than the excess death rate over the same six week period in 2022. In other words, the rate of excess deaths appears to be accelerating.
  
  I can’t recommend reading the full post more highly. Anyone with evidence to counter this, please present it.
  
  https://hatchardreport.com/death-stalks-mrna-vaccination-in-new-zealand/
  
  Bloomfield isn’t lying, but he’s deliberately distorting the data to fit a narrative. He is a con artist, a fraud and guilty of malfeasance.
  
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  March 25, 2023 10:16am
  - Opie
    
    Thanks Clan
    
    The other thing I found was that they claim to have released the excess death data but in reality the website is so badly designed that you can’t navigate it easily enough to pull out the data you want!
    
    Well I can’t, so that probably means most can’t…
    
    Take me back to the good old days where the newspaper reported news. Eg, a car crashed here, or a lion escaped there.
    
    Now the media articles consist of “Politically compromised ex director General of Health tells us that everything he did during the pandemic was great and that we should do it again”. We aren’t smart enough to question him so we will just agree with him and demand you do the same. Or you are racist.
    
    He was so great in fact that he had to step down from his role in the middle of it all, just like the rest of those involved in this to confuse the trail.
    
    Never forget, this guy tried to have us beleive that someone caught covid off a lift button. The rest of the world had already figured out that covid was spread by aerosols but not ol’ Ash.
    
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    March 25, 2023 10:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You mean he is lying by omission?
    Someone else used to do that – who???
    
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    March 25, 2023 2:03pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Check this out, it contains a link to Rodney Hide discussing the distortion of reality we have had to endure the last 3 years.
  
  On 3 February 2021, The Prime Minister of New Zealand @jacindaardern stated:
  
  “Medsafe’s decision is the culmination of a rigorous assessment process over many months to ensure the #Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is safe and effective to use here. It is informed by the most up-to-date medical and scientific data. We can have confidence in their decision.”
  
  She told us all that the vaccine was safe and effective, and this was repeated by MPs, Principles of schools, business owners, CEOs, influencers and journalists.
  
  However, Medsafe’s clinical assessment of the vaccine said no such thing. Rather, it found:
  
  – The duration of the vaccine protection has not been established beyond two months.
  
  – At this stage, there is limited evidence of protection against severe disease.
  
  – There is no long term safety follow-up information.
  
  – Vaccine prevention of asymptomatic infection and disease transmission has not been established.
  
  Tragically, we also now know that the vaccine is causing serious injury and death .
  
  Everyone, and especially all those who pushed the Pfizer shot, should read Cranmer’s Substack and watch this video of Rodney Hide on @RCR_NZ
  
  https://twitter.com/c_plushie/status/1639178605560463361?s=20
  
  It is beyond doubt now that we were lied to and gaslit throughout this disaster. It is beyond doubt now that there is a concerted effort to keep this information from the public that apparently is supported by EVERY MP in parliament and just about every part of the mainstream media.
  
  How much longer can this pretence go on????
  
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  March 25, 2023 10:29am
  - Opie
    
    We know we were lied to but why?
    
    My only hope is that the human body is smart enough to flush itself of the ineffective toxic concoction so many were forced to take
    
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    March 25, 2023 10:53am
  - mawm
    
    We need our representatives to ask questions. In the UK MP Andrew Bridgen has and more lately Senator Antic in Australia.
    https://twitter.com/SenatorAntic/status/1638425264660295680
    
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    March 25, 2023 4:34pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Will he get Jaspinda to hold his hand while he tells more lies?
  The Google Machine has been scrubbed so no lies listed.
  
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  March 25, 2023 11:37am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    SO – watch the video at this link. Only 11 minutes or so. Then share it widely.
    
    https://twitter.com/c_plushie/status/1639178605560463361?s=20
    
    It clearly shows that Ardern and her “experts” lied when they told the public this experimental garbage was safe and effective.
    
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    March 25, 2023 12:04pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Wow. One of the reasons I was apprehensive about getting Covid vaccines was Anaphylaxis. I had a bad attack that could have killed me. Drug that kicked it off was suxamethonium during a prostate biopsy. I was scared to the point of making sure the antidote was there right next to me when I got my first jab.
      I only got the second jab because of the passport blackmailing from Jaspinda.
      
      Excellent coverage from Rodney Hide, thankyou Rodney.
      
      Clan, I dropped this on Facebook. Let’s test the moderators and fact checkers there!
      
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      March 25, 2023 2:39pm
      - Ghost
        
        Anaphylaxis was one of the reasons my GP and I decided I wouldn’t get the jab
        
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        March 25, 2023 2:43pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @ Ghost. Tell you what, I was 68 then, still fit, still working.
        Prostate biopsy under General Anesthetic, groin entry. (35 samples) I was not breathing so needed a tube into my lungs. Suxamethonium causes temporary paralysis.
        Things did not work out. A 60 minute procedure turned into way over 7 hours. 2 – 3 weeks to really recover. I just don’t want to go there again.
        
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        March 25, 2023 3:04pm
    - mawm
      
      Clan – We need Rodney back in Parliament.
      
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      March 25, 2023 4:42pm
Warren

When will New Zealander’s wake up and realize the Government is not the only ones holding back our children in education with the choice of what our children need to learn, School Teachers are a percentage of the problem also with their out of date and race based subjects they want to teach.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/03/principal-horrified-at-national-s-new-education-policy-says-it-s-insulting-to-teachers.html
One old adage comes to mind and you hear it a lot still ‘kiss’ keep it simple stupid and by using one hour a Day to teach reading, writing and mathematics is a great example from the National Party and their Leader Chris Luxon.
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March 25, 2023 8:13am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  It’s not that hard is it, in fact that is exactly what we did when I was at school in the 70s
  
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  March 25, 2023 11:20am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    60s for me. The Teachers of yesteryear were good.
    Today, the Teacher’s Union is far more important than actually teaching.
    Marxists has taken over the schools. The teachers teach children to be Marxists and vote Labour!!!
    
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    March 25, 2023 3:08pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Give us your solution Steve.
      
      Tell us how long it will take. Tell us how long it will come up with a ew syllabus and find a few thousand new (suitably indocrinated) teachers …
      
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      March 25, 2023 6:56pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Dumbed down, poor and welfare dependent is where Labour wants us.
  Oh, did I mention free shit promises before the Election?
  
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  March 25, 2023 11:38am
Yvette

Winston Peters says Labour hid He Puapua – but Newshub can reveal he was among those who commissioned it

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Rt Hon Winston Peters Hon Kelvin Davis (Chair) Hon Grant Robertson Hon Phil Twyford Hon Andrew Little Hon Nanaia Mahuta Hon Stuart NashHon Damien O’Connor Hon Shane Jones Hon Peeni Henare Hon Aupito William Sio Hon Willie Jackson Hon Eugenie Sage – from the video [about 2 min in]
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/03/winston-peters-says-labour-hid-he-puapua-but-newshub-can-reveal-he-was-among-those-who-commissioned-it.html

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agreed that te Minita Whanaketanga Māori lead a process to develop a national plan of action, strategy or other measure on New Zealand’s progress towards the objectives of the Declaration (the Declaration Plan); – Cabinet Māori Crown Relations – Te Arawhiti Committee, Minute of Decision MCR-19-MIN-0003
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March 25, 2023 8:14am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  And The Pensioner lied.
  
  Hands up who is surprised by that?
  
  Maybe the bewildered who will vote for him again.
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:36am
  - Yvette
    
    Sadly the sense that Winston does make is dismissed because of the lies he otherwise tells.
    The baby, in Winston’s case, is thrown out with his bathwater
    
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    March 25, 2023 10:06am
- septic skeptic
  
  Further evidence that Winston and NZF are the disease, not the cure.
  
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  March 25, 2023 10:41am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I don’t it strange how Newshub had these minutes, you can’t get anything without OIA, and that takes months, if these were not leaked to Newshub then I will eat my hat
    
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    March 25, 2023 11:24am
    - Yvette
      
      Giant – the cabinet paper appears to have been released by the Minister for Māori Developmenton on April 1, 2019
      Google: Te Arawhiti Committee, Minute of Decision MCR-19-MIN-0003 – should find it
      
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      March 25, 2023 11:45am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Clearly he still can’t be trusted, he said yesterday no more Māori names in government depts, but he told us we would have a referendum on Māori seats, he chucked that aside the first day, what’s the bet the same would happen here
  
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  March 25, 2023 11:22am
igm

New Zealand justice the Labour way . . .
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/131593143/trio-who-shotup-house-in-gangland-revenge-plot-spared-jail
Can imagine the sentences had these been farmers or deer/wild pig shooters!
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March 25, 2023 8:20am
- Sideoiler
  
  …. Can imagine the sentences had these been farmers or deer/wild pig shooters!
  
  I hope Nash gives Coster a call about launching an appeal.
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:58am
Widogast Corwin

I just spent 30 minutes scanning a few hundred comments on New Zealand social media on Kellie Jay Keen. As an understatement, it polarised.

Her supporters are passionate, with many donating money.

Her critics have descended into madness. She is a fascist hater who wants to eradicate trans people.

It sure is going to be a spectacle. I’m hoping the police have a plan. 🤔

1100 Albert Park. I’ll post a link to the live stream as a reply to this comment for those interested.
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March 25, 2023 8:38am
- Matt Long
  
  Most of the angst with Trans activists seems to be around people committing the thought crime of not approving of everything they believe about themselves.
  Not only do they want the freedom to behave however they want, which is fine as long as they aren’t infringing on others, but everyone must be forced to approve or be publicly and ritually humiliated if they disagree.
  
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  March 25, 2023 8:46am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Tell ‘em to piss off
    
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    March 25, 2023 8:53am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Isn’t it strange that your average lefty will go into seizures if a white person were to black up and parody a person of colour or wear a Mexican outfit to a fancy dress but seems to be absolutely fine with a man dressing up and passing themselves off as a woman.
      
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      March 25, 2023 11:01am
    - Littletramp
      
      I did tell em to piss off, but they did not know whether to stand or sit?
      
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      March 25, 2023 3:39pm
  - Swifty
    
    Yep, just like the Chinese Red Guards.
    
    This sort of stuff is already on social media today if you look. Ritual humiliation. Mob rule. Vile abuse for having counter-revolutionary views.
    
    Heaven knows where we’ll be in 10-20 years if this keeps up.
    
    People paraded through the streets, forced to wear “I am anti-trans” signs while cursed, spat on and abused?
    
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    March 25, 2023 9:04am
    - Burtland
      
      the lynch mob is alive and well
      
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      March 25, 2023 10:14am
  - igm
    
    They are using this ruse to promote their deviancy . . . just vile perverts.
    
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    March 25, 2023 4:16pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The Left love being mad. It is their whole reason for living. It masks all their failures.
  
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  March 25, 2023 8:47am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    Alan I think that the more fringe the leftists the more sophisticated they think they appear.
    
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    March 25, 2023 10:07am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I’m thinking I’ll pop along to her Wellington event. I want to hear her myself, and to see the carnival.
  
  It’s worth noting that it’s Cubadupa this weekend, which means the weirdos will be out & about in force. Will be interesting to see whether that boosts or diminishes the number of protesters.
  
  Maybe Posie should have opted to speak at 10am. Respectable people would have no trouble making that slot, while the self indulgent & slothful do not know there are two 10 o’clocks in the day.
  
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  March 25, 2023 8:52am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Hahahahaha, she told everyone to bring their ovaries
    
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    March 25, 2023 11:26am
  - Sacha
    
    I think this Posie is just a role-player in the trans drama. Where else is she speaking apart from public parks where everyone can indulge their egos and have fun together.
    Both she and her ‘opposers’ will get lots of publicity, which will feed all egos, but most other New Zealanders will stifle a yawn and turn their attention elsewhere.
    
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    March 25, 2023 11:28am
    - spanish_tudor
      
      KJK speaks in the ‘public square’ as women are not allowed to express their opinions on many other platforms, such as social media. The events are free speech events for women, free of charge.
      
      She is much more than a role player. All her events have been planned and promoted as peaceful, but the baying mob turns up and things get ugly.
      
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      March 25, 2023 2:03pm
      - Jack5
        
        The comment by NeverMindTheBollocks: …I’m thinking I’ll pop along to her Wellington event…
        
        Sorry, according to the Herald, she’s on the way out of NZ. It reports:
        
        Posie Parker has tonight been seen checking into a flight at Auckland International Airport, escorted by numerous police officers …
        
        The British activist … was seen checking into an Emirates flight about 6.30pm.
        
        The Herald reports Parker was escorted by four police officers and was “fast tracked” through check-in.
        
        Could the Herald have been conned (happily conned) by a trans-gender activist?
        
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        March 25, 2023 8:21pm
- Gravelroad
  
  @Wudogast
  Thanks for the offer, but I have zero confidence that any filming of this event will provide an unbiased, balanced impression of what happens.
  It will be edited and focussed to “prove” that the speaker is some sort of monster hell bent on destroying vulnerable, special people etc etc.
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:04am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    No. Kellie Jay Keen organises the live stream. It is focused on the women speaking.
    
    So tune in🙂🙂
    
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    March 25, 2023 9:21am
  - Nickc2
    
    Can someone please tell me why being a member of the LBGT . . . . Brigade has become so popular over the last few years?
    I don’t believe nature makes that many mistakes over such a time frame.
    This phenomenon doesn’t occur in other mammals.
    
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    March 25, 2023 9:27am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Mental disorder, or a pseudo mental disorder.
      They need to fit in with their so called friends.
      
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      March 25, 2023 11:55am
    - spanish_tudor
      
      I’m a gay man, I have nothing in common with the TQIA+ brigade, all of whom are either straight, delusional, attention-seeking, or mentally ill (often all four).
      
      It’s a straight grab for victimhood and privilege.
      
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      March 25, 2023 2:05pm
      - Swifty
        
        Thanks for this spanish_tudor. Nice to hear your perspective.
        
        And I see internationally great alarm in the gay community that in the future being gay will be ‘transed’ out of existence.
        
        Gay young folk, raging with hormones, trying to find themselves, confused about their feelings and being moulded and shaped by (esp social media) pressures the preceding generations couldn’t even dream of reach out for help and are now increasingly being counselled that they are actually trans and to consent to ‘gender affirming care’ which puts them on a path of chemical and surgical processes.
        
        I note that lesbian community in the US and elsewhere is particularly, and rightly, very alarmed at these developments.
        
        We are on a path of ‘transing the gay away’.
        
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        March 25, 2023 2:34pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Good stuff. Attention seeking and mentally ill, oh wait, all four.
        Yep, you are gay, but so what? You function just like the rest, without throwing it out there.
        Congratulations for simplifying it – for the normal gay people.
        
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        March 25, 2023 4:04pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Steve, Spanish & Swifty
      Don’t forget, they’re campaigning in schools now to increase their numbers.
      I read that kids in the US as young as seven are being given the choice to change their gender. This to me is an outrage. Kids at seven years of age know squat about the birds and bees, let alone gender misappropriation.
      We live in a S I C K society and AFIK, this Govt has no plans to change anything except to promote, participate in, and give sanction to the covert Maorification of my country.
      
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      March 25, 2023 4:17pm
      - sirknz
        
        Plenty of stories about kids younger than 7 having this forced on them, although this is generally being encouraged by the mother who has also separated from the father.
        
        The number of women who happen to have two transgender kids is also defying the odds.
        
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        March 26, 2023 4:36am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Interesting to watch the MSM building themselves up into a massive lather, starting with the opening item on the news last night.
  
  A few days ago $1uffed had the click-bait headline “What you need to know about the anti-trans activist coming to NZ” which I read to see what dirt they have uncovered, what quotes they have where she utters her hate-fuelled bigotry and advocates “cancellation of trans people”.
  
  Not at all surprised to find, under the last, damning paragraph headed “What has she said?” that there was precisely nothing the slightest bit controversial. She issued this challenge to Chippy the Boy Wonder: “Let’s see what happens when you stop a woman who is a women’s rights campaigner, when you stop her from being able to come and facilitate the speech of women in your country.”
  
  That’s it. Of course, FIGJAM Michael Wood then “condemned her “inflammatory, vile and incorrect world views”.” Which must have taken an extraordinary leap of failed comprehension, since he literally knows nothing of her world views.
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:22am
  - kowtow
    
    Wood sounds very misogynist .
    
    But then he has form for inflamatory , hate filled speeches vilifying minorities.
    
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    March 25, 2023 10:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    FIGJAM. Even the Google Machine does not list that first.
    2 clicks and there it is, Fuck I’m Good Just Ask Me.
    
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    March 25, 2023 4:10pm
- Swifty
  
  Shaneel Lal’s hysteria reaches new, feverish heights:
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/shaneel-lal-why-im-organising-a-counterprotest-against-kellie-jay-keen-minshullposie-parker-in-auckland/AMU4ZXX6AZCINJ5DIKJWE5BI3A/
  
  He just needs to calm down. New Zealanders will have their say on these matters irrespective of his histrionics.
  
  I’d add, the continued use of ‘Nazi’ by the left against anyone who opposes them is a disgrace. I would say it’s so predictable now, and tiresome – but those descriptors seem far too benign.
  
  It’s cancerous. It’s downright dishonest and evil to characterise fellow New Zealanders like this. It is fracturing our society.
  
  Shaneel Lal and his ilk should stop doing it – but I’m 100% confident they won’t. It empowers them. They get a thrill from using the word. What better word to portray that he’s the good guy and they are the worst? That he is righteous and they are evil?
  
  His behaviour disgusts me.
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:27am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @swifty-
    I feel sorry for this tragic Shaneel Lal.
    He/she/they are self obsessed and in need of all the help they can get to ever lead a happy, useful life.
    No, I am not being sarcastic.
    
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    March 25, 2023 9:59am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Far better to ignore the shrill rantings of a very ill young man, desperate for attention and full of insecurities. Get help, sir.
    
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    March 25, 2023 10:06am
  - Lee C
    
    Shaneen is just the latest media-anointed attention-whore to arise after Siouxie Wiles found herself consigned to teh dustbin of history, IMO.
    
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    March 25, 2023 10:16am
    - Burtland
      
      Shaneen for NZer of the Year – ‘they’ saved us from the evil Natzis //
      
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      March 25, 2023 2:07pm
      - Jack5
        
        Shaneel Lal, is ethnically a Fijian Indian immigrant (he says his family is Hindu), yet he says this in the article linked to below:
        
        “I think I could never be as fierce as my ancestors. They literally ate the coloniser. Our generation is the lazy generation – we don’t eat the coloniser any more.”
        
        Lal co-founded the Conversion Therapy Action Group, a group that worked to end conversion therapy in New Zealand.
        
        According to the blog, Spinoff, the group has worked alongside the Ministry of Education “to design a more inclusive education system”.
        
        https://www.ensemblemagazine.co.nz/articles/shaneel-lal-interview
        
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        March 25, 2023 8:13pm
  - Thought Criminal
    
    It used to be that Godwin’s law of Nazi analogies meant that as an online discussion grows longer (regardless of topic or scope), the probability of a comparison to Nazis or Adolf Hitler approaches 1.
    
    Now it’s the starting position of the left on a wide range of topics.
    
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    March 25, 2023 10:27am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Widogast Corwin – is it only coincidence that the last 5 years have witnessed a multitude of insane policies that seem intent on fracturing society into a multitude of opposing factions? It certainly seems that way.
  
  Of course we all know about the divide and rule maxim. It seems to be on steroids in the last few years.
  
  This quote is relevant:
  
  “Divide and conquer” is an old label for a rich trove of strategies that split and weaken a resisting constituency. These machinations range from sowing suspicion and fear, trashing capable leaders, inventing enemies, and stirring up trouble while blaming “certain people,” all the way to lavishing attention on wedge issues and extremists factions, and discriminating in the allocation of resources and opportunities. The aim is to induce opponents to fight among themselves, thus losing track of their mission and their chance at a unified front. Did you know that racism was fomented in colonial days to drive a wedge between black slaves and white indentured servants who often ran off together?
  
  “anti vaxxer”, “pale stale male”, “misogynist”, “anti semite”, “transmisia”, “far right”, “domestic terrorists”, “conspiracy theorists”.
  
  It’s a long list. Sounds familiar.
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:31am
- mogg
  
  I have listened Kelly- K on several YouTube interviews, she is a real Feminist being silenced by Woke, they can not argue against what she is saying so they are shouting her down. Socialism now has it’s own mob of Brownshirts with many of them in MSM: https://youtu.be/vDvv4Vz9up0
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:54am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  As promised, here is the link to the Kellie Jay Keen Auckland event.
  
  A reminder that this live stream is from the organisers, not the New Zealand media.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/live/eDuy2Kx2HlI?feature=share
  
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  March 25, 2023 10:57am
  - thirteenstars
    
    What a shit show. No cops to be seen. Plenty of sirens, perhaps there’s a Pride parade that needs an escort.
    
    That’s free speech in NZ, folks.
    
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    March 25, 2023 11:17am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    Well that is going well ☹️ who would have thought?
    
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    March 25, 2023 11:24am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      This country is rapidly becoming a basket case. We will soon follow California where all the productive are leaving and the woke loonies get the place to themselves.
      
      It’s not working out too well so far…..
      
      https://youtu.be/gWe1TJQ-6HI
      
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      March 25, 2023 11:53am
      - sirknz
        
        This behaviour is going to end up with someone being murdered, my money is that it will be a right leaning person who holds views that are probably closer to Labour policy 20 years ago.
        
        But as is typical of the diversity and inclusion crowd, they are led by their baser emotions and react to things like toddlers who have had something taken off them. They don’t care to examine their beliefs & values which is why they always end up on the ‘right side of history’™ every single time…
        
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        March 26, 2023 4:54am
  - thirteenstars
    
    How many times have you seen lines of cops when a big public event is anticipated? Many times, but not today.
    
    Parker was asking, when they pulled up, where are the cops? And as her security took her to the podium, there was not one cop to be seen, and the protestors were surrounding the podium behind flimsy barriers, and they immediately advanced on the podium forming a crush. Again, no cops.
    
    Absolute bullshit.
    
    In the back of the police car being taken away Parker mentioned one of the women attending the event–a supporter–was punched in the eye, she thought she was about 70 years-old.
    
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    March 25, 2023 11:38am
    - thirteenstars
      
      Check this out, Parker’s event in Adelaide a few days, with a line of police keeping the protestors at a reasonable distance, and even mounted police blocking off roads to traffic so a safe event could be held, and it sure as hell looked like there was a large number of protestors.
      
      https://youtu.be/SczONRaNX_Y?t=26
      
      The NZ Police surely must be complicit in this shit show. They knew where and when the event would be held and they have well-funded resources that track social media for signs of trouble, and there was plenty of that going on.
      
      There is no way this was not anticipated and they failed in their duty to allow a safe protest and speech to happen.
      
      But will any reporter as where they were? Not on your bloody life.
      
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      March 25, 2023 11:52am
      - spanish_tudor
        
        The police arrived late, and KJK only had her security and marshalls (all women) to keep the #BeKind mob at bay.
        
        A 70-year old woman was punched in the face, and a disabled woman was assaulted. KJK was egged.
        
        How stunning and brave.
        
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        March 25, 2023 1:40pm
    - rouppe
      
      As expected, it was the inclusivity and diversity crowd that brought the violence.
      https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/300839091/antitrans-activist-posie-parker-escorted-out-of-auckland-rally-hit-by-paint
      
      The people at the big rallies in Germany in the 30’s thought they were standing up for their rights too
      
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      March 25, 2023 12:28pm
  - Swifty
    
    KJK has won today.
    
    All the trans-lobby has achieved is give her massive publicity, beyond her wildest dreams and proved that they are thugs and violent misogynist thugs at that.
    
    A victory for women and KJK.
    
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    March 25, 2023 11:59am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      May have been a win for KJK Swifty, but it is a very sad day for NZ.
      
      Don’t agree with someone else, don’t listen to them, shout them out, standover them like a thug, don’t let them have any voice.
      
      @NZ media – shame on you for the completely one-sided rabble rousing you have done. As an example today’s herald had an article slandering Parker, Shaneel Lal had 500 or so words calling Parker and her movement facists, plus an Editorial that was pro-trans, plus Emmersons cartoon showing Parker as a Trojan horse for people most doing nazi salutes, one with arms folded and a cross on their t-shirt, wearing face masks. And they wonder why NZers, disillusioned by the propaganda press are increasingly looking for real balanced news from alternative sources. Not once did the press state what Parker actually espouses i.e.
      – keep men out of woman only spaces
      – people born with penises aren’t women
      – keep men out of woman’s sport
      – don’t sterilise and mutilate children
      Because if they did a majority of people would find they agree with her.
      
      @NZ police – shame on you for not having the ability to setup separate areas for two opposing groups. It is clear that our police have become politically biased. Happy to attend Pride events. Happy to let thugs bully women.
      
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      March 25, 2023 12:40pm
      - Swifty
        
        All good points.
        
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        March 25, 2023 1:25pm
      - jon
        
        PRIDE NAZIS!
        
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        March 25, 2023 3:57pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      I am not sure it is a victory for women, Swifty.
      Women who are not trans gender did not get an opportunity to hear what the speaker had to say.
      They were cancelled and vilified because of the insecurities and vanity of trans women.
      
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      March 25, 2023 1:26pm
      - spanish_tudor
        
        No women are transgender. Transgender women are men.
        
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        March 25, 2023 1:37pm
      - Swifty
        
        I agree that they didn’t get to hear her live today, Gravel.
        
        But they are flocking to her various social media channels and livestreams.
        
        Just in the last few days, I have seen tens and tens of people say either they haven’t seen much of her or anything at all of her until very recently but now have been made aware of her and the issues she raises.
        
        This visit from KJK has given pro-women voices a huge boost in profile and support and has caused the anti-free speech, anti-women’s rights thugs to reveal their true nature – boorish, slandering, nasty individuals who want those who oppose their increasingly extreme demands to be banned, silenced and bullied and coerced into submission and acquiescence. Forced to agree to believe things that are plainly not true.
        
        This is a war. The trans thugs will claim today that this mere battle was a victory for them because KJK didn’t get to speak. How wrong they are. The war continues but now the pro-women’s rights side has thousands, likely tens of thousands of new supporters – appalled at what they have just witnessed.
        
        That’s my take on things.
        
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        March 25, 2023 2:00pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Some types of Men have been telling women to shut up and get back into the kitchen/bedroom for centuries.
        
        Today was just another manifestation of some men exercising misogyny.
        
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        March 25, 2023 2:48pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    Judging by the comments, what’s happening here is a dreadful advertisement for New Zealand.
    They think we are a bunch of deranged savages and that the Police are powerless puppets.
    
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    March 25, 2023 12:04pm
    - Widogast Corwin
      
      Shocking. The police should have kept the protestors away using a cordon.
      
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      March 25, 2023 12:39pm
      - spanish_tudor
        
        There were feeble barriers in place, but the entitled, angry mob just pushed them down.
        
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        March 25, 2023 1:37pm
      - Matt Long
        
        Have seen off Ms Parker the rabble went off to attack the Vision New Zealand rally in Aotea Square.
        Some big boys linked arms and kept them out, totally unnecessary violence from Tamaki’s supporters says the Herald.
        
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        March 25, 2023 2:13pm
      - mawm
        
        Widogast – make no mistake the police were told to arrive late and to be ineffective. When Brian Tamaki’s crowd were peacefully protesting mandates and lockdowns in the Domain the police presence was set up early and everywhere.
        
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        March 25, 2023 6:16pm
- spanish_tudor
  
  Once were warriors, now just misogynists.
  
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  March 25, 2023 1:36pm
Captain Mainwaring

Erosion on the Lake Taupo shoreline at Kuratau. Can’t blame that on rising sea levels.
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March 25, 2023 8:59am
- Ian Boag
  
  Erosion on the Lake Taupo shoreline at Kuratau
  
  Something like 20 high grade holiday homes at risk. Mainly exacerbated by strong easterlies now and then. The solution is relatively simple – put rip-rap (big rocks) along the foreshore. Unpalatable because it would make the beach unavailable for two weeks or so at Christmas. Hatepe has a similar problem westerlies.
  
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  December 25, 2022 7:07pm
- Matt Long
  
  It’s either climate change or COVID, unless it the war in Ukraine.
  Erosion and storms never happened before those things.
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:22am
  - 7kiwi11
    
    I’m pretty sure Posie Parker is involved too
    
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    March 25, 2023 9:58am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Must be Trump.
  
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  March 25, 2023 11:15am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They will blame ferocious weather 😃
  
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  March 25, 2023 11:27am
- mandk
  
  or Donald Trump. He must have something to do with it.
  
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  March 25, 2023 12:58pm
- Colville
  
  Nine years of neglect.
  
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  March 25, 2023 6:19pm
Maggy Wassilieff

National wants teachers to teach the Basics brilliantly.

The Minister of Education and some of our Primary School Principals tell us that they’ve been working on a plan for four years to revamp the School curriculum and strengthen Maths and Literacy teaching…

The Min Of Ed has just released the plan…… (well, half of it….)

https://assets.education.govt.nz/public/Documents/Curriculum/cpm/Phase-1-Common-Practice-Model-March-2023.pdf

In which we learn that kaiako (teachers) will:

*recognise that the artefacts, concepts, and ideas of maths are cultural

but ākonga (students) are are encouraged to interrogate dominant discourses and assumptions, including that maths is benign, neutral, and culture-free.

And to do this teachers and pupils will employ terms like these:
Data sovereignty, humanising mathematics, teaching maths for social justice (TMfSJ),
ethnomathematics,
maths + {conscientisation, equity, ethics, citizenship}.

Yes, I know it is all a bit much…. but relax, the Plan explicitly states:

Ākonga:
• are clear about what they are learning
• have a reduced cognitive load
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March 25, 2023 9:01am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  What a load of gobbledegook!!!
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:05am
  - sirknz
    
    To quote the late Norm MacDonald, “That sounds like a load of commie gobbledygook”
    
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    March 25, 2023 9:25am
- Swifty
  
  It is foolish to expect those who got us into this mess be the ones who are going to get us out.
  
  I noticed too that immediately upon National releasing their news yesterday the media companies had interviews with various teachers, academics and principals who almost all poo poo’d the initiatives.
  
  I saw not one random parent interviewed. Not one. I might have thought 8 or 9 out of 10 parents would be all for it, saying “great, when can it start?”
  
  But what do they know. It’s only the ‘experts’ who can speak on how and what our kids are taught.
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:12am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Must be all that narrative control they learned during the covid circus.
    
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    March 25, 2023 11:16am
- Gravelroad
  
  What has maths got to do with social justice?
  Why can’t these Labour Party people stop navel gazing and focus on the needs of all the nice, ordinary kids out here?
  For the Labour Party, it’s always about their own personal agendas without a thought for the impacts of their experiments and madness on real people.
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:12am
  - sirknz
    
    They are focussing on the nice ,ordinary kids out there, just not in the way we would like.
    
    Regarding maths in social justice, here is a teaser for you:
    If Tim is 100% white, and goes to his state run school most days, and Rangi is brown and is connected to tribal elites and attends his elite private school, how much climate change does Rangi mitigate on his overseas holiday three times a year, and how much racism & homophobia is Tim responsible for?
    
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    March 25, 2023 9:55am
- Akitio
  
  https://business.scoop.co.nz/2022/11/24/nzcer-chief-researcher-rose-hipkins-honoured-at-nzare-conference/
  
  Can we see from here where some of the incompetence originates? Is it genetic?
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:27am
- Its only I
  
  That can’t be real.
  
  How reduced will the cognitive load need to be for the Ministry of Education to say job done?
  
  Modern Labour loving teacher to self…
  What if being clear about what they are learning adds to the cognitive load, clarity, cognitive load, load, clarity, maths is cultural and its not, social justice, clarity, load…why has that child setting fire to the curtains…too much load not enough clarity…fuck it, lets strike for more pay this is way, way too hard.
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:33am
- I remember when
  
  I notice that Te Karere only uses English when there is no adequate Maori word/s.
  Never to explain what a Maori word means.
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:55am
- I remember when
  
  I was just going to say you couldn’t make this stuff up but……..
  
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  March 25, 2023 10:08am
- Burtland
  
  Chippie Hipkins’ mother is in the thick of this at the NZCER
  
  https://www.nzcer.org.nz/research/rosemary-rose-hipkins-mnzm
  
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  March 25, 2023 10:28am
  - marcw
    
    Not knowing what NZCER actually was, I took the trouble to look at their website. Sadly, after a minute on this page, I am none the wiser.
    
    https://www.nzcer.org.nz/about-nzcer
    
    This country is not like the one I grew up in and loved.
    
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    March 25, 2023 10:51am
    - alwyn.a
      
      I’m sure that it is only a coincidence of course but I see that they use exactly the same colours for their website that the NZ Labour Party uses.
      I guess it is just another little organisation that the taxpayer has to pay for producing Labour party propaganda.
      If you doubt what I say, and have a strong stomach, you can look here
      https://www.labour.org.nz/
      
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      March 25, 2023 4:25pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Oh wonderful, we’re being governed by Rosemary’s Baby.
    
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    March 25, 2023 2:06pm
  - Burtland
    
    NZCER are one of the marxist propaganda units in the education sector funded by the taxpayer …
    
    NZCER is working to achieve its purpose by focusing on four strategic priorities that underpin our 5-year plan to 2025:
    
    Decolonising education
    Upholding mana Māori, whakamana Māori
    Improving equity for ākonga and equity in education
    Influencing the future of education
    
    https://www.nzcer.org.nz/about-nzcer
    
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    March 25, 2023 9:42pm
- nathie
  
  Time to close down the Ministry of Education to create a new entity to replace it???
  
  With only 10% of the current work force and re-distribute the remaining salary funding to the frontlines i.e. schools???
  
  How much would be saved/redistributed?
  
  Let’s say there are 5000 people working for the MinEd @ $100,000/year = $500 million!!!
  
  Now of course there will be hundreds of staff on $200k-$400K/year so even without factoring that in there is over half-a-billion dollars to redistribute to where it is most needed and where it most matters .. for the teachers and children!!!
  
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  March 25, 2023 11:06am
  - Swifty
    
    Annually.
    
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    March 25, 2023 11:33am
  - Burtland
    
    NZCER also need de-funding – 50 staff there
    
    one of their primary aims is Decolonising education – the whole of the sector is riddled with this cancer
    
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    March 25, 2023 9:50pm
- Sacha
  
  ‘ideas of maths’ ? IDEAS?
  
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  March 25, 2023 11:44am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Ākonga:
  • are clear about what they are learning
  • have a reduced cognitive load
  
  I’m feeling a Blackadder Dish and Dishonesty moment regarding the new motto for our Department of Education:
  
  A reduced cognitive load for those with reduced cognitive abilities
  
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  March 25, 2023 12:43pm
Inandout

These barristers would no doubt also refuse to handle Trans activist cases. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/fury-at-woke-barristers-refusing-to-prosecute-eco-warriors/ar-AA190jSw
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March 25, 2023 9:06am
- Matt Long
  
  I assume these people can be disbarred, but why would you want criminals prosecuted by people who support them anyway?
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:26am
- CJames
  
  If you look at places like Guido, you will find most of the barristers who signed don’t do criminal prosecutions. One was even disbarred. So they are just virtue signalling.
  
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  March 25, 2023 12:36pm
pdm

Akonga – is that the Japanese word for a congo dance line?
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March 25, 2023 9:11am
- Matt Long
  
  That’s the new Ministry Education word for homeschool or privately school your children if you care about their future and don’t want them to grow up like the drongos above who won’t prosecute criminals.
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:30am
Maggy Wassilieff

Dear reader,
I can’t be *****d doing a complete review of that latest offering from the Min of Ed on how to teach for teachers who can’t teach the basics.

But here’s a quick review from a “right-wing hack” (to quote the Minister for Auckland) who hasn’t yet been purged from Victoria University.

https://www.nzinitiative.org.nz/reports-and-media/opinion/critical-failure/
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March 25, 2023 9:11am
- mogg
  
  My wife who was a teacher for 30 plus years was told your ideas are old fashioned, for teaching grammar and correct spelling.
  
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  March 25, 2023 10:00am
  - OlderChas
    
    But I bet Mrs Mogg’s ideas and teaching worked!
    
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    March 25, 2023 11:09am
    - mogg
      
      She taught Matthew Hooton, so that is debatable.
      
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      March 25, 2023 11:19am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        You can lead a horse to water…..
        
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        March 25, 2023 11:45am
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    I was told many years ago by a Language Teacher that the first time students are taught grammar is when hey sit in front of a Fr, Sp, Jp etc teacher in school.
    
    After a year they find it too hard and give up.
    
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    March 25, 2023 11:43am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Probably true nowadays…
      
      However I distinctly remember the difficulties in trying to parse a Complex Sentence in 5th Form English.
      
      (I gather such a topic is now only taught at University Level)
      
      https://media.ed.ac.uk/media/Syntax+Lecture+1+slides+-+Parsing+a+Complex+Sentence/1_9b6kfnvc
      
      And there’s nothing more sobering than having your grammar/spelling corrected by a non-native English speaker….. (I quickly learnt NOT to play scrabble with the M-in-law, where English was her 6th-7th language).
      
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      March 25, 2023 11:56am
Tasman devil

Meanwhile enrolments at private schools are exploding as those who can afford and want a decent education for their children realise the state education system is crap.

The same is happening with private medical insurance……. under my policy I am guaranteed to see an oncologist within 5 working days of a GP referral for a cancer check.

If I went public for the same I will wait at least 4 months: An oncologist friend told me that in that four months many kiwis progress from stage three to four. Sobering if you can’t afford
medical insurance.
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March 25, 2023 9:20am
- Inandout
  
  Td, yet you still pay tax for public hospitals. Private health for some people becomes unaffordable in the extreme, like $600 a month for basic hospital only.
  
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  March 25, 2023 10:13am
- thirteenstars
  
  And historically, Kiwis have pretty high rates of medical insurance use, which goes to show how long this has been a problem. I related the other day that I know a couple of civil servants, one working in the health sector, and they have medical insurance as part of their pay package.
  
  Great logic: you pay taxes to pay their salary *and* their medical insurance but if you want the same you can’t even claim a tax deduction for it. Same with sending your kids to a private school.
  
  You pay twice, and the goal of making you pay twice is to prevent you voting with your feet, because if you could there would be an exodus from the public systems showing them up for what they are. Unless you are well-off, Kiwis are imprisoned in a system that forces them to pay with no option but to take what the state rations out to them.
  
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  March 25, 2023 12:04pm
Taieri

Ākonga:
• are clear about what they are learning
• have a reduced cognitive load
——————

With the “critical pedagogical approaches” laid out in this “common practice model” we can rest assured that the present and future “akonga” will not have to worry about a cognitive load. Because there won’t be any…
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March 25, 2023 9:22am
I remember when

Other types of Masks:
Health & Safety
Reduced Speed Limits
Lockdowns
Hate Speech
Gender assignment
Co-governance
Climate Change
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March 25, 2023 9:39am
Bridgenag

Vaccines are good for Big Pharma, bad for people. All of them. Period.
Excellent video from Amalya, summarising the obvious financial conflicts of interest of government agents that result in parents worldwide inflicting unnecessary harm on their children.

https://open.substack.com/pub/metatron/p/vaccines-are-good-for-big-pharma?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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March 25, 2023 9:44am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  OK so you think the small pox vaccine was a terrible thing. And the polio vaccine?
  
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  March 25, 2023 3:50pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    Just the Covid ones….. Obviously we need the measles, polio etc ones that are tried and true
    
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    March 25, 2023 5:33pm
    - Widogast Corwin
      
      Apologies. It was unclear from your comment. The smallpox vaccine was a miracle for humanity.
      
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      March 25, 2023 6:32pm
Maggie Pie

Ata Maire! 😀

“Vendor Demands Action”

– NZ Sotheby’s Real Estate

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1639366368196968449
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March 25, 2023 9:54am
- Ghost
  
  Strangely after looking at that tweet I feel like watching The Coneheads
  
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  March 25, 2023 3:53pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Ackshilly Dear reader..

I had to look up the phrase “cognitive load” as it’s not something in common parlance down at Kaiti Mall.

It means how much information your working memory can hold at one time….

So it looks like our Min of Ed is doing all it can to ensure our learners/ākonga/학생/discipuli don’t stuff their brains with facts and information.

I wonder if it is too late for me to sue my old school for making me learn by heart tracts of the Bible, numerous hymns, names of the first Maori canoes, Latin conjugations, Times tables, Equations of motion etc, etc…..

I’m sure all that cognitive overload exhausted my delicate brain cells and prevented me from becoming a Labour voter.
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March 25, 2023 9:57am
- peterwn
  
  When I learned my times table (up to 12) I was sent to the Headmaster who congratulated me and gave me a pencil as a prize (usually being sent to the Headmaster was not that pleasant). Teacher encouraged us to learn the 16 times table (up to 9×16) as that often helped with mental arithmetic.
  
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  March 25, 2023 10:32am
- Swifty
  
  The constant, relentless, remorseless lowering of the academic bar…..which coincidentally makes things easier for teachers.
  
  The Chinese don’t do it. The Germans don’t do it. The South Koreans don’t do it.
  
  Our target should be number one in the OECD. We should settle for nothing less. Let’s spare no expense, let nothing and no one stand in our way. Let’s be an example to the world. Let others flock to us to see how we did it.
  
  What’s stopping us? Why aren’t we number one already? We’re a tiny country geographically, relatively prosperous, small population, good civic institutions, stable politically, no war, excellent communications infrastructure.
  
  Let this be a massive great news story internationally. Something to make us feel proud of ourselves instead of the relentless diet of shit government delivery. Of constant failure.
  
  Within ten years we’re turning out Maori, Pacific, and all else, scientists, engineers, scholars, medicos, first-class trades people, horticulturists etc by the thousands annually. We are internationally renowned for the education and skill levels of our people.
  
  And the incumbents who poo poo? The teachers, unionists, academics and principals who say it all can’t happen, to slow down, who express ‘horror’ at the proposals? Well they are banished to the sidelines. They are the problem. Get rid of them. Laugh at them and then ignore them.
  
  And to pay for it? Cut out massive expenditure from lower priority government spending. Say to New Zealanders “We value our kids education more than these other things. So we’re going to stop those other things to make the money available for our kid’s and our country’s futures.
  
  Let the naysayers argue against it. That their pet projects should be prioritised over the education of our kids. I dare them.
  
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  March 25, 2023 10:47am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Like most of the body the brain benefits from doing work.
  
  Cognitive overload less of an issue than fatty lazy brain I would expect.
  
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  March 25, 2023 6:58pm
Inandout

Watched again ‘Gimme Gimme Gimme’ and marveled at the humour which now the BBC would run a mile rather than air. ‘You great poof Tom’…nah.
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March 25, 2023 10:08am
Maggie Pie

Things that make you go Hmmm….

Wellington people opposed to the building of up to 700 houses on the old-prison-site of Mt Crawford, are concerned there will be no public consultation.

Have been told…… it’s Maori Land.

https://wellington.scoop.co.nz/?p=151284
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March 25, 2023 10:08am
- mogg
  
  They have every right to be concerned, looking at the old Porirua Hospital site (Māori Land). It has been turned into a rabbit Warren of little boxes, many of which will now be worth less than the mortgage which is held over them.
  
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  March 25, 2023 10:20am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I see the ‘race-card’ was played after the meeting as well…
    
    “Unfortunately, an audience who were mainly Pakiha and totally unwilling to have housing owned by Maori and built by The Wellington Company on the Mt Crawford site.
    The racist overtones were also unfortunate.”
    
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    March 25, 2023 10:58am
    - mogg
      
      The race-card is now being played at all times in all places about all things.
      
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      March 25, 2023 11:16am
- Swifty
  
  I spent months there, and work was down the hill cleaning bricks of mortar with a bolster.
  
  Lucky we had mates who would sneak up with KFC for us and other things…
  
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  March 25, 2023 11:24am
  - mogg
    
    A lump hammer and a bolster are long gone,now people will think you are describing a pillow to lie on.
    
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    March 25, 2023 1:31pm
    - Swifty
      
      Ha!
      
      Thank you, I’ve just learned something.
      
      I’ve only ever known a bolster to be a hand tool for cleaning bricks.
      
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      March 25, 2023 2:04pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How has Labour and Andrew Little’s great Health restructure worked out?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/131595432/not-a-good-time-to-get-sick-data-lays-bare-the-burgeoning-crunch-points-in-our-health-system
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March 25, 2023 10:21am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Everything Labour touched turned to shit.
  
  If they weren’t paying off the media, crims, bludger and bureaucrats they’d be polling around 20.
  
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  March 25, 2023 11:24am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  The blame lies squarely on the aging population – Little feels hard done by as he thinks things would be much worse without all the work he has been doing.
  
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  March 25, 2023 7:00pm
Warren

Lobbyists in New Zealand enjoy freedoms unlike other Nation’s in the developed World.
Guyon Espiner pens that maybe looks after Party Members and former Polititains a bit to much and are the leaving themselves open to the public aay this is pushing the bounds of Corruption.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/lobbying/486670/lobbyists-in-new-zealand-enjoy-freedoms-unlike-most-other-nations-in-the-developed-world
If this happened to be the National Party in Government and their Minister’s were doing what Stuart Nash and Andrew Little have been accused of, you would have these Minister’s along with many of their Party members screaming and shouting Corruption from the house roofs of New Zealand.
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March 25, 2023 10:22am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And who is making money from Carbon farming in NZ?
  
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  March 25, 2023 12:19pm
- Burtland
  
  the biggest lobbyists are the Corporate Tribes – betya Guyon hasnt gone near that.
  
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  March 25, 2023 2:27pm
MCōs

Avoid bungee jumping in Thailand
https://aseannow.com/topic/1290149-bungee-jump-given-clean-bill-of-health-after-hong-kong-tourist-damaged-thai-tourism-by-going-to-foreign-media/
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March 25, 2023 10:22am
Maggie Pie

We know what you mean though Joe 😀 😀 😀

POTUS refers to Canada as….. “CHINA”

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1639367741437259776
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March 25, 2023 10:22am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Whare going cheap in your neighbourhood?
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300839133/eye-surgeon-accused-of-murdering-wife-puts-remuera-mansion-up-for-sale
  
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  March 25, 2023 10:24am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YIP! Posted about it a bit earlier.
    Thort about you guys actually.
    Surely it’s time to pull the plug on Gizzie?
    Never going to get any cheaper up here 😀
    
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    March 25, 2023 10:31am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I suppose we could use a place up there as a get-away bach when the next ex-tropical storm blows through Gizzie.
      
      Do you think there’d be enough space there for my pig-dogs and a taro plantation?
      
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      March 25, 2023 10:44am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Not if you wanted to put a Pool in like ours 😀
        
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        March 25, 2023 11:01am
      - kevn
        
        @Maggy… Looked like plenty of off-road parking when all the rellies turn up for a ‘do’.
        
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        March 25, 2023 11:11am
Right of way is Way of Right

What we are desperately needing here is a Clarke/Dawes like sketch that illustrates the lunacy of this trans debate. Regrettably, John is no longer with us, so I present my own attempt. I am keenly aware that even if John was alive, this would most likely never be broadcast, and therein lies the tragedy.
DAWES: We are here today with Mr..Mrs..Ms… umm
CLARKE: Mr.
D: So it’s Mr?
C: It is today.
D: Mr Warren Genderflip of the Aotearoa Genderfluid Collective. How are you today Mr Genderflip.
C: I’m a woman.
D: Well, you told me it was Mr.
C: Yeah, sorry about that, I changed my mind, it’s Ms now.
D: Ms Genderflip, is it still Ms?
C: For now.
D: Ms Genderflip, why are you upset about women calling themselves women?
C: It’s a non inclusive term. Women should include all women, including women with a penis.
D: Trans women?
C: Yes, trans women are women, so non trans women should not call themselves women because it excludes trans women.
D: So, trans women ARE women, but women are not women.
C: Correct.
D: So, what are women then Ms Genderflip.
C: Mr.
D: What?
C: Mr, I changed my mind again.
D: Mr Genderflip, what do you call a woman who was born a woman?
C: She is a Cis Woman.
D: But not a ‘woman’
C: No, a Trans woman is a woman.
D: But someone born female is not a woman.
C: Of course not, that’s patently ridiculous, of course she’s not a woman, she is a cis woman, a real woman is a trans woman who used to be a man!
D: Mr Genderflip…
C: Mrs please…
D: Ok, Mrs Genderflip, does it not strike you as slightly controversial that according to you, a woman who is born female is now less identifiable as a woman than a woman who was born as a man.
C: Not at all, it’s perfectly reasonable.
D: So, how does a trans woman become a woman?
C: She decides to be one.
D: And then?
C: Then what?
D: What happens after she decides to be a woman?
C: That’s it.
D: What, nothing else?
C: Well, there might be a wig involved and a new pair of shoes…
D: Now, Warren..
C: Don’t deadname me…
D: Well, what is your new name.
C: I haven’t decided.
D: So, what do I call you.
C: What would you like to call me?
D: Is insane an option?
C: No.
D: Mrs Genderfluid…
C: Mr..
D: Changed your mind again?
C: Absolutely, I’m allowed to be a man, it’s my right as a woman!
D: Are you sure?
C: No, I’m Warren, Warren Genderfluid, a 37 year old Japanese Geisha from Marton.
D: Than you Warren.
Warren spits in the interviewers face.
D: Why did you spit in my face?
C: I identify as a Llama, I’m a Buddhist.
D: Wrong Llama.
C: Sorry about that. Where’s the men’s room?
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March 25, 2023 10:35am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  That’s clarified matters, Txs.
  
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  March 25, 2023 12:44pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  Well done ROWIWOR!
  
  Yes we live in times where we must pretend to live in the imaginary world of the mentally ill and/or look at me narcissists. Otherwise we are unkind, fascist exponents of hate speech.
  
  Will any politician in NZ today speak up for reality? Unlikely.
  
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  March 25, 2023 12:50pm
  - mogg
    
    They are cowards every one of them. Even Kim Hill who is always well researched gave the ‘gay pride’ speaker the freedom to rant with a pack of lies based on ignorance. She knew it was lies and went along with it. I would like to hear what Helen Clark would have to say about Kelly JK.
    
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    March 25, 2023 1:41pm
- Its only I
  
  You win the internet today.
  
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  March 25, 2023 3:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Waipu meeting was a success. Private function, so Maori protestors did not get in.
Several Maori people were present at the meeting.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/maori-party-hits-the-panic-button-get-out-and-protest/

Maori Party seem worried. There is a link to their Facebook page.
It seems Maori do not like being presented with the truth.
Herald is mis-reporting:
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Stop-Co-Governance-Tour-meeting-to-go-ahead-in-Tauranga-but-with-warning-NZ-Herald.pdf
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March 25, 2023 10:47am
- Loddenthinks
  
  They’re warning people that allowing this protest to go ahead “risked inciting racial disharmony”, the very thing it is highlighting and protesting against!
  
  We truly are in Orwellian times.
  
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  March 25, 2023 11:02am
103PapPap

I see Stuff has a headline saying ‘Nazi Salute’ seen in crowd.
The item includes a video clip allegedly showing someone in the crowd raising an arm, and the witchhunt begins.
What they don’t mention is the clip shows the Crusaders scoring a try, and the referee gives a clear Nazi Salute in celebration!

[Mod – please provide links to articles when talking about them, link added]

Top Crusaders official condemns fan for Nazi salute during Super Rugby Pacific match
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March 25, 2023 11:19am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Everyone who disagrees with the left is a Nazi.
  
  The left have Nazi tourettes.
  
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  March 25, 2023 11:28am
Maggie Pie

The legacy of 5 years with Jacinda Ardern as PM…

Posie Parker shouted down at Albert Park meeting by about a thousand women with penises. Hit with a paint-bomb and has to be escorted away by Police for her own safety.

Welcome to New Zealand….the free-range asylum.
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March 25, 2023 11:44am
- MCōs
  
  “thousand women with penises”
  Let’s not get too melodramatic
  Were you there supporting Parker?
  
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  March 25, 2023 11:59am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Unfortunately we slept in so watched the live stream on YT instead.
    An ‘up-skirt’ shot of Shaneel was quite revealing 🙁
    
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    March 25, 2023 12:07pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Was that a woman with a penis?
      Really? a camera could catch such a thing??
      
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      March 25, 2023 4:20pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    MCos do you support Parker’s right to speak her view without being assaulted?
    
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    March 25, 2023 12:09pm
    - Jack5
      
      The woman’s right to speak was not upheld, and nor was the right of citizens to hear her.
      
      Labour’s new Minister of Police, Ginny Andersen, and her Police Commissioner, Andrew Coster, failed to uphold law and order, failed to uphold citizens’ rights, and made less than a token effort to do so.
      
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      March 25, 2023 12:40pm
      - Swifty
        
        “…nor was the right of citizens to hear her…”
        
        This is a point not discussed nearly enough.
        
        Our right to hear. To listen. To be made aware of both sides of an issue.
        
        Our right to to be informed, to hear different viewpoints irrespective of some bullies wishing to stop us – so that we might make up our own minds, not have them made for us by those who scream the loudest.
        
        Let’s hear Paul Hunt come out on Monday telling the nation how much he abhors the thugs behaviours today. Let’s hear him stand up for our rights to free and open debate. To hear all sorts of views however unpopular with some.
        
        I bet you he won’t.
        
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        March 25, 2023 2:45pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Jack, go to a Stop Co-Governance meeting, and see how protestors behave.
        Different yes, but the free speech debate has hit New Zealand. Oh, wait, these peopel do not debate – they just scream.
        
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        March 25, 2023 4:23pm
    - MCōs
      
      Of course I do
      I was disappointed she didn’t get to have her say.
      
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      March 25, 2023 2:05pm
      - Swifty
        
        Thank you.
        
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        March 25, 2023 2:39pm
- Ehlana
  
  I made it along to watch the show. It was obvious before I arrived that no-one was going to hear from Posie Parker today. Unite had a truck parked by the park entrance nearest the rotunda, with multiple speakers mounted on it blasting out loud music.
  
  It was momentarily drowned out by a large group on noisy motorcycles, who turned up, stopped in the middle of the street while their leader appeared to do a piece to camera, then took off. Some of the protestors gathered at the edge of the park telling them to go home.
  
  About half an hour before the event was due to begin there were already large numbers of protestors on site, gathered around the fences with their placards and noisemakers. The walls of the rotunda had been plastered with posters by the protestors, partially torn down by Posie’s team.
  
  I didn’t see actual Nazis, but there were about 4 guys with face masks decorated with grinning teeth, and a man who kept demanding they take their masks off and show their faces. Oddly, he seemed unbothered by the large number of protestors who were masked.
  
  Once the event actually started, the protestors, who were already completely surrounding the rotunda surged forward through the barricades.
  Not long thereafter I heard a police officer say they were making a plan to get her out.
  
  They did, and as she was taken to a nearby police car, I saw the only “assault” I witnessed – a guy with a camera pushing a police officer.
  
  Later, Queen Street was treated to two marches in succession – apparently someone else had organised a march (I’m not sure what it was meant to be, but the bystander next to me felt it was anti-trans) and this was followed immediately by the pro-trans folks who’d now made it down the hill from Albert Park.
  
  Mostly I think it was sad. I don’t think Posie really posed a danger to the trans community and I suspect their leaders know that. Without their intervention, she would have spoken to a few dozen supporters and no-one would have noticed.
  They gave her enormous publicity, probably far more than whatever her actual message is really deserves.
  
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  March 25, 2023 3:40pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Poor Police performance from what I saw.
    Seems the Police support the banning of free speech of the people who scream about it.
    
    I had no idea that so many in Auckland were LBGT and the other 53 fuckwits.
    
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    March 25, 2023 4:29pm
Surely Knott

We’ve been repeatedly told lbtqi+ are vulnerable community sand subject to hate attacks with the example given of a rainbow building catching fire (which wasn’t actually a hate attack according to the courts but mentally limited members of the building next door who lit a rubbish bin on fire)
But today a woman’s right activist had paint thrown at her. Why isn’t this being described as a hate attack of a vulnerable group.
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March 25, 2023 12:03pm
Chuck Bird

The left behaves like Nazis. I wonder what our political leaders have thik of this thugs veto.
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March 25, 2023 12:07pm
- Gravelroad
  
  @Chuck-
  I bet these protesters won’t be insulted and condemned as a River of Filth by the craven policitians.
  Any sprinklers at this park where they are gathered?
  
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  March 25, 2023 12:25pm
- septic skeptic
  
  Presumably Chippy and Wood plus the MSM approve of the thugs veto in this instance. They have been calling for it and promoting it all week.
  So, where does this leave free speech and the rule of law? I reckon the rule of law is looking vulnerable, and free speech is on life support.
  
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  March 25, 2023 12:31pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    Yes, lets hope that all of these men who say they are woman are happy and proud to have cancelled the voices and opinions of “other” women.
    Because that is what they have done.
    Biological women’s lives don’t matter to them or the politicians and activists who so fervently support them.
    
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    March 25, 2023 1:19pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep,
      just another example of a male Network shutting down a female’s point of view.
      
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      March 25, 2023 2:56pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Nope, sorry Maggy. Shutting down a Female’s point of view – yes, for sure.
        Male Network? Sorry.
        What is a Man? Same as what is a Woman question.
        I know you were waiting for bites!
        
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        March 25, 2023 6:16pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        What is a male?… an organism that can or has the potential to produce male gametes (spermatozoa).
        
        A woman can’t produce sperm… and never had the potential to produce sperm.
        
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        March 25, 2023 8:12pm
ClanMcleod

Here’s a great reference for everything covid. A goto crib sheet that you can file away and reference when you’re trying to remember one of the multitudinous pieces of insanity we have been subjected to and are still being subjected to.

So, here are all the updated key facts and sources concerning the alleged “pandemic”, to help you get a grasp on what has happened to the world since January 2020, and assist in the enlightenment of any of your friends who might be still trapped in the New Normal fog.

https://off-guardian.org/2023/03/24/40-facts-you-need-to-know-the-real-story-of-covid/
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March 25, 2023 12:16pm
Captain Mainwaring

The time is well overdue for a major backlash from normal people against the alphabet soup lunatics, otherwise it will be the end of normal society in our country.
We could start by not funding or promoting gay parades.
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March 25, 2023 12:19pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The alphabet soup lifestyle is nothing to be proud of. Quite the reverse in fact.
  
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  March 25, 2023 12:21pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Get to “Z” and they move to Roman numerals. Then counting on base 3 and not our normal 10.
  1-2-3, 101- 102-103.
  Fuck, my head hurts now – wonder how the Martians feel?
  
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  March 25, 2023 6:25pm
ClanMcleod

This is me for the day, got a bit of garden to do then a fish or three to catch.

Jimmy Dore show. Dr John Campbell presenting more information showing that excess mortality is highest in the most vaccinated countries.

https://youtu.be/6G1SWjL7gmQ

That will help explain NZ’s excess mortality rate – currently at 24% above 2010 – 2019. This includes adjustment for increased population.

https://hatchardreport.com/death-stalks-mrna-vaccination-in-new-zealand/

Have a most wonderful Saturday……!
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March 25, 2023 12:22pm
thirteenstars

Here’s the greeting the forces of peace, harmony, love and inclusivity give a 5’1″, mother of four, when she tries to speak to a group of fellow women:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1639408983541686275
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March 25, 2023 12:39pm
- The Housekeeper
  
  The trans community have done themselves major damage today. Their hypocrisy was on show for all. If you wanted to turn off support from 51% of voters today’s performance was perfect.
  
  Going by their behaviour in Auckland, its hardly surprising that trans people endure the highest rates of domestic violence in NZ.
  
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  March 25, 2023 3:32pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    “trans people endure the highest rates of domestic violence in NZ.”
    
    Got a source?
    
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    March 25, 2023 4:52pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      https://nzfvc.org.nz/news/new-research-and-reports-about-violence-affecting-lgbttqia-people
      
      https://www.justice.govt.nz/about/news-and-media/news/lgb-community-experiences-higher-levels-of-victimisation-than-the-national-average/
      
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      March 25, 2023 5:09pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        “New Zealand Police has established several initiatives to support the rainbow community, including nationwide diversity liaison officers; undertaking rainbow awareness training; improving how it collects information about hate crime; and developing an information pamphlet for rainbow community abuse survivors.”
        
        Might explain their “tardiness” to Parker’s event today even though they were well aware of the time and place, and of the hate expressed towards her on social media, which the police invest lots of resources in monitoring.
        
        As the Free Speech Union quoted the police as saying, “if she feels unsafe, she needs to leave”.
        
        https://twitter.com/NZFreeSpeech/status/1639418195164684289?s=20
        
        It’s fucking outrageous. If there were a very large group of protestors haranguing a Pride parade would the police also advise the parade participants, if they feel unsafe, they need to leave.
        
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        March 25, 2023 5:38pm
    - The Housekeeper
      
      I didn’t bookmark it but this link might give you an idea
      http://www.kahukura.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Hohou-Te-Rongo-Kahukura-Outing-Violence-Partner-Violence.pdf
      
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      March 26, 2023 9:25am
kevn

@Clan… I was having an email debate with a ‘senior economist’ in NZ who refutes the excess mortality rate. After a few offerings of various information other than the one (World in Data as I recall) he had chosen to select, I gave up and told him so.
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March 25, 2023 12:45pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Kevn – none so blind as those who will not see.
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:01pm
Paulus

Of course New Zealand is a Country of Free Speech,
as long as if I agree with what you say !
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March 25, 2023 12:57pm
nathie

It seems elements of our society is becoming increasingly intolerant … and being cheered on and supported by the left-wing MSM and politicians.

Can ACT and National please draw a line and state they are opposed to these authoritarian displays of intolerance and violence?

And that all voices deserve to be heard (and debated)?

Including Women’s voices?

After all have the intolerant and authoritarian Left forgotten how they were born?

From a Woman …. not a Trans Woman!!

Surely biology and facts are important and must not be silenced?

Message to the fascist Left – have you forgotten world history and the intolerant and authoritarian events of the 1930’s leading up to the second World War? Which NZ proudly played its part in fighting? You guys (the Left) are a disgrace – you guys are the “Germans”! Well done!
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March 25, 2023 12:57pm
- Swifty
  
  Very well said nathie.
  
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  March 25, 2023 2:46pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  It has reached the point that the inmates are literally running the asylum. Unfortunately we have been locked inside with them.
  
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  March 25, 2023 7:13pm
Southern Raider

Today we witnessed the real river of filth. 2000 protesters at Albert Park

The day was never going to go well for NZ with media from early on this morning only interviewing and reporting on views of trans supporters
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March 25, 2023 1:02pm
- Burtland
  
  first fail for the new Police Minister …
  
  bodes well for the coming election – its going to get messy
  
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  March 25, 2023 2:41pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Today we witnessed NZs 2 minutes of hate. This is what it looked like.
  
  https://youtu.be/XvGmOZ5T6_Y
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:03pm
Jack5

Interesting to read in a Stuff report about tramper’s death reference to ” Hato Hone St John.”

The organisation, formerly St John Ambulance, says on its web site of the changed name (rather than adoption of a parallel name in a second language):

The name was not gifted by iwi – it is a literal translation of Saint John to Hato Hone. This has been guided by Hato Hone St John Kahui Mauaka Maori Responsiveness Team, in consultation with iwi. It is not a formal name change but it is a shift to fully incorporate the translation of our name.

Nothing wrong with having a Maori language name as well as an English language name, but St John Ambulance is forcing the Maori name into use in the English language. Very Woke, and part of the drift towards a New Zealand Pidgin.

“Hato” is a loan word for “saint” borrowed from English. “Hone” is a loan personal word from “John “.

At least “waka tūroro” doesn’t seem to have been adopted for ambulance vehicles. That Maori term translates as “sick canoe”.

In a funeral notice for a family member or friend you may want to say a donation would be appreciated to a particular charity.

What do you say for St John Ambulance?
Donations to Hato Hone St John would be appreciated?

A statement last September on the organisation’s “cost conscious” approach to the name change:

https://www.stjohn.org.nz/news–info/news–articles/statement-hato-hone-st-john-embraces-name/
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March 25, 2023 1:04pm
- lifesgood
  
  Always happy to donate to St John but this other outfit called Hato Hone, nope.
  
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  March 25, 2023 2:26pm
  - Ghost
    
    Don’t really care what they are called, when you need them you’ll use them
    
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    March 25, 2023 2:28pm
    - Nickc2
      
      That bit is true!!
      
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      March 25, 2023 4:27pm
Southern Raider

We are witnessing the down fall of civilisation led by the radical left.

In Paris we have violent protests and businesses being burned down. Led by unions and antifa

In Auckland we have anti women protests being mostly organised by Unite and other radical union groups
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March 25, 2023 1:05pm
Chuck Bird

Dear Party Leaders

I have addressed this to all party leaders but it is firstly to our Prime Minister.

As Prime Minister do you accept any responsibility for the assault on Mrs Keen-Minshull?

Will you guarantee her police protection so can she speak without fear of being assaulted?

This woman is from the UK. In case you did not know Scotland is part of the UK.

There was a case in Scotland of a man who had been convicted of sex crimes against women and was sent to a woman’s prison where raped two women.

Do you not think Mrs Keen-Minshull has any valid points?

I will keep this email short. There are only three questions.

I will put this on Kiwiblog and post any answers from you or the other party leaders.

I will also send this to Sky News Australia which is generally supportive of Mrs Keen-Minshull.

Kind regards
Chuck Bird
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March 25, 2023 1:12pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Dear Chuck
  
  Thank you for your email.
  
  We have been instructed by Chris to forward it on to the spouse of The-Minister-for-Auckland for her response.
  
  Best regards
  
  Andy Curtain
  (Chief of Staff)
  
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  March 25, 2023 1:42pm
kowtow

A very vociferous , activist minority and their supporters demanded “tolerance” , “acceptance” and “inclusion” from all and sundry ,to the extent that all manner of places and institutions have bent over backwards to display their flags and symbols ( this summer Countdown supermarkets for eg) and do any manner of combobulations to earn “diversity” ticks etc and yet ;

where’s the ‘tolerance’ from these neo Fascist genderistas and their supporters .
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March 25, 2023 1:15pm
- NothingLeft
  
  They’re brown shirts in rainbow garb.
  
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  March 25, 2023 2:34pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    https://youtu.be/XvGmOZ5T6_Y
    
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    March 25, 2023 9:05pm
- Swifty
  
  Self-awareness is not their strong suit.
  
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  March 25, 2023 2:47pm
Swifty

The New Zealand Labour Party wrecks everything it touches:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6Louz1LFWKk

The polytech merger is a sickening car crash.

And all at your expense.

Think is what else this money could have done for New Zealand families, kids, the sick or elderly – hell, it could even have been left in people’s pockets so that they could fill the cupboards, put petrol in the car, shoes on kids feet or books in their hands.

But no.
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March 25, 2023 1:21pm
Prince

A sad day for New Zealand, for Women’s Rights, and for Freedom of Speech.
A great day for those on the Left who seek to divide us and silence those who they disagree with.
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March 25, 2023 1:33pm
- mogg
  
  A sad day when a man can say he is a woman and be
  admired by all. If a woman says she is a woman it’s hate speech.
  
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  March 25, 2023 3:43pm
Tom Barker

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
We don’t need this Nosy Parker.
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March 25, 2023 1:49pm
- Swifty
  
  Do you agree with the thuggery on display today Tom?
  
  Do you think that by suppressing speech as we’ve seen today will mean the issues will all go away?
  
  How will the trans lobby react to New Zealanders raising these issues in future – repeat the thuggery and bullying we saw today?
  
  Do you believe New Zealanders have the right to raise these issues and discuss them openly, freely and without the risk of boorish crowds throwing things at them or pouring liquids on them? Being yelled and screamed at and called the most vile of names?
  
  Do you think New Zealand a better society where people are fearful to raise and voice objections to matters of public policy?
  
  Genuine questions Tom.
  
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  March 25, 2023 2:12pm
  - Ghost
    
    It’s just a troll account
    
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    March 25, 2023 2:20pm
- PeterB
  
  Or the pocket full of pansies assaulting her.
  
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  March 25, 2023 2:26pm
- mandk
  
  I’ll tell you what, Tom.
  
  I’m glad Posey Parker is brave enough to face abuse from the rainbow bullies.
  
  I will support anyone who will speak out against the idea of biological males with their penises being in female toilets and changing rooms when my granddaughters might be there
  
  I will support anyone who will speak out against the pharmaceutical and surgical mutilation of children.
  
  And I will support anyone who speaks out against the idea of biological males literally muscling in on female spirts activities.
  
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  March 25, 2023 2:36pm
- Taieri
  
  We don’t need this Nosy Parker.
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  You are right Tom. We don’t. Just as we don’t need Tom Barker.
  
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  March 25, 2023 3:20pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    We don’t need this Noisy Barker
    
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    March 25, 2023 8:33pm
mogg

This is from the NZ Herald article on K-J K: security company in Wellington just refused, just won’t protect us,” Keen-Minshull said. This is deliberately contrived mis-quote
“She blamed the situation on being badly defamed because “most people really hate women”.
What she has said is that “Trans activists are misogynists and hate women”
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March 25, 2023 2:02pm
Maggie Pie

And here’s another thing….

Have you noticed how toilets only ever get blocked on the weekends?
Which always means an additional $200 ‘Urgent-Call-out-Fee’

SHEESH!!
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March 25, 2023 2:08pm
- Swifty
  
  Do you think there’s any correlation between your Saturday loo blockages and your big Thai takeaway pig outs on a Friday night?
  
  That’s where I’d be looking if I were you!
  
  😄
  
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  March 25, 2023 2:16pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    That was my immediate thort as well Swifty.
    The guy poked his CCTV down. Turns out it was another root.
    
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    March 25, 2023 3:56pm
- mandk
  
  Hi Maggie
  Just remember, just because you are paranoid, it doesn’t mean they are not out to get you.
  
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  March 25, 2023 2:28pm
Sparrow

Today Saturday 25th March 2023 marked the start of the collapse of free speach and democracy in New Zealand. Whats next book burning. We use to be able to discuss, argue sure it could be heated but to stop discussion in this despicable manner is fascism. I hope our political leaders condemn this riot but I doubt it they pander to the minorities.
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March 25, 2023 2:28pm
- Ghost
  
  Did it? Na, you’re a few years too late.
  
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  March 25, 2023 2:32pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    First they came for the anti mandate protestors…..
    
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    March 25, 2023 9:10pm
Fisiani2

Posy Parker should have the right to say that she wants safety for women.
She should be allowed to speak her opinion.
She was paint balled, harassed and scuffled and not even allowed to speak. We must allow speech which we do not agree with to be heard or we are intolerant. We should not fear speech.
She needs to be surrounded by police in Wellington next weekend and be allowed to speak her truth. We must not let the fascist Left decide who can and cannot speak. Freedom of speech should be permitted.
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March 25, 2023 2:39pm
- Swifty
  
  I have two daughters, one 20 and one 17.
  
  What have they learned this week?
  
  Speak out for the rights of women in NZ and look out.
  
  They’ll come for you. And nastily.
  
  This is where we’ve come to. Hatred, fear, bullying, physical violence, othering, suppression of speech and free exchange of ideas and with the full support of the NZ Labour and Green parties.
  
  Not one of them, to my knowledge, has spoken out against it.
  
  Be kind.
  
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  March 25, 2023 3:11pm
- Widogast Corwin
  
  The Wellington event is tomorrow. Not next weekend. I doubt it will happen.
  
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  March 25, 2023 4:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Somebody rode their motorcycle into Marama Davidson whilst she was on a pedestrian crossing near/at the Trans gathering this morning.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300839253/green-party-coleader-marama-davidson-knocked-over-by-motorcyclist

Assuming the cops locate the motorcyclist…..

Prediction: If the motorcyclist was a trans-sympathiser, the story will die away;
if the motorcyclist was there to hear Ms K-J K, we’ll hear Much much more…..
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March 25, 2023 3:06pm
- Ghost
  
  Standing on the road protesting.
  
  Davidson was standing on Princes St holding a sign reading “trans solidarity” when a band of motorcyclists, there in support of Brian and Hannah Tamaki’s Vision NZ, drove through.
  
  Article
  
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  March 25, 2023 3:15pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I can’t help wondering if the motorcycle was alright,
  
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  March 25, 2023 3:16pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Spinoff story at 1.51 pm said that she walked out onto the crossing trying to stop the motorcycles, recoiled from a strike and then walked back off the crossing, and then was helped to the ground by other people. The story seems to have changed since then.
  
  The motorcyclists revved their engines as they drove down the street, with protesters waving signs at them from the footpath. After half the bikes had driven past, Davidson stepped out onto the pedestrian crossing, holding her sign in one hand and motioning with her other hand for the bikers to stop. Footage seen by The Spinoff shows Davidson a few steps out on the pedestrian crossing as bikes continue to speed past her. Then, one bike appears to strike her, with its handlebar making contact with her stomach. Davidson recoiled and hunched over, clutching her stomach as she walked back to the protesters on the footpath, who helped her to the ground.
  
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  March 25, 2023 8:00pm
Chris Nisbet

This free speech thing definitely has its upsides.
– We get to see these scummy protesters for who they really are
– We get to see the legacy media for who they really are
– We get to see our politicians for who they really are
All it took was for some woman to try and tell us the blindingly obvious.
I wonder how hard the police will try to apprehend the scum that assaulted Posie Parker and the old lady that apparently got the bash. I suspect they’ve already ‘filed’ that job though.
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March 25, 2023 3:14pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Washington DC Man Challenges Fauci on Vaccines in Viral Video: ‘Your Campaign is About Fear’
20 years for the Vaccine? Does this mean ‘gain of function and a vaccine was happening for 20 years?
Thos Fauci bastard needs to be in jail for the rest of his miserable life!

https://dailypoliticalnewswire.com/washington-dc-man-challenges-fauci-on-vaccines-in-viral-video-your-campaign-is-about-fear/
Video, 20.3 min.
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March 25, 2023 3:29pm
Steve Todd

Just for something different. It looks like Tory Whanau’s 40th birthday party last weekend was a real blast – see https://www.ensemblemagazine.co.nz/articles/mayor-tory-whanau-40th-birthday-party.

You go, girl!
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March 25, 2023 3:31pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Any idea of the credit card number and what name is on the card?
  Oh sorry, we will do some laundry later.
  
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  March 25, 2023 3:44pm
- kowtow
  
  zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
  
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  March 25, 2023 4:49pm
  - Steve Todd
    
    Ohh, not Wellington-centric, kowtow? Never mind.
    
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    March 25, 2023 5:23pm
    - kowtow
      
      Yawn
      
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      March 25, 2023 6:36pm
- nathie
  
  Sheesh, soooo if I turned up in my trademark jandals, shorts and Haines t-shirt, I would have been arrested for committing a crime – not wearing $$$thousands in fashion!!
  
  Oh how the Urban Liberal Elite live well during the cost of living crisis! 🙁
  
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  March 25, 2023 8:53pm
CAKE FACE1

Personally, I believe that today’s events represented great politics from Mr. Hipkins.

During the Rona hoax, Hipkins and Cindy eliminated any and all free speech, for the best part of three years. When people tried to protest, he sent in the police in to smash them. That stopped the opposition in their tracks. He then smeared the protesters, and the rest is history.

This approach is straight from Chairman Mao manifesto The Little Red, at beginner level.

Today, Mr. Hipkins jumped to the advanced level. I suspect that he ordered Cuddles Coster to intervene as little as possible into the protest.

This time, Mr. Hipkins dealt with the problem of free speech by unleashing his Red Guards, to smash free speech by force.

I believe that Mr. Hipkins’ idea is to completely intimidate the Team of $55 million, the public, and any dissenters, so that they never dare to speak freely again.

People too afraid to offer any dissent should give Mr. Hipkins a great chance to win the next election.

History is written by the winners. Mr Hipkins is on fire.
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March 25, 2023 3:45pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You are so mean!
  Be kind….
  
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  March 25, 2023 3:56pm
  - CAKE FACE1
    
    A Cindy quote?
    
    I’ll give you another.
    
    Free speech is a ‘weapon of war’. [Cindy Ardern]
    
    Labour Party doctrine also says that The Party is more important than the country.
    
    Mr. Hipkins learnt something from the Cindy cult – that he needs to smash any and all free speech to a pulp, in order to win the election fight.
    
    He will use his Red Guards to do the dirty work.
    
    Every great journey begins with a single step…
    
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    March 25, 2023 4:01pm
    - kevn
      
      @Cake… Do you know it almost all ads up as labour modus operandi.
      Only 12 months ago the police were firing rubber bullets into the anti mandate protesters.
      A mere 12 months ago.
      Free Speech seems to really trouble them.
      Only took 5 years to reach this point.
      
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      March 25, 2023 4:18pm
Ghost

We’ll it appears today was a good day of distraction, now what did the left actually want to distract the public from.
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March 25, 2023 3:47pm
thirteenstars

Though the FSU and David Seymour (the real leader of the opposition) offer intelligent words:

ACT:

““Today in Albert Park we have seen something ACT has long warned of: The alternative to free speech and reasoned debate is physical violence,” says ACT Deputy Leader Brooke van Velden.

“In a civilised country, you counter ideas you don’t like with more speech and debate, not violence and intimidation.

“Ironically, the group who complained they were going to be the victims of violence ended up being the violent ones.

“Immigration Minister Michael Wood needs to take responsibility for his unprofessional, immature and inflammatory outburst about this event. It did not help promote rational behaviour.

“Like many others, Wood has been quick to condemn without thinking about the impact of shutting people down. We risk a divided society where cancel culture spirals out of control.

“The only thing that could make this worse if the Government itself had the power to prosecute people for causing offence under so-called hate speech laws.

“Better still, the Government could and should have enforced people’s rights to speak and debate freely without resorting to violence.””

FSU:

“The FSU unreservedly condemns violence, threats, and attempts at intimidation. The role of Police is to ensure the legal exercise of free speech and free assembly. Police claimed that ‘if she feels unsafe, she needs to leave.’ This is a dereliction of their duty.”

“How does this end NZ? The reaction today is a major blow to a culture that tolerates difference and allows debate. What options are left on the table when speech and debate are removed?”

https://twitter.com/NZFreeSpeech

Look at a snide reply to the above:

“People were exercising their right to assemble and protest. Isn’t that one of the cornerstones of democracy and freedom of speech? Or do your rich, RW sponsors disagree?”

The right to assemble and protest does include the right to use violence. But they know that and this is the world they want, where sides square off against each other and fight on the streets. This has always been the endgame to neo-Marxism, to GET IN YOU FACE, and to stay there until violence ensues.
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March 25, 2023 4:00pm
- mandk
  
  I have no respect for Seymour. He stood for the mandates and was complicit in the victimisation of people who lost their jobs because they wouldn’t get vaxxed.
  
  He also shares responsibility for the non-COVID excess deaths we are now seeing.
  
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  March 25, 2023 5:18pm
Swifty

I wonder if we’re being softened up for Labour announcing, in a great betrayal of NZ taxpayers, that student loans are to be wiped or otherwise heavily reduced and as a massive electoral bribe in time for the October election:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/131602239/by-the-numbers-overdue-overseas-student-debt-passes-milestone-2-billion-mark

Biden has just done it and gotten away with it.

I will be very surprised if Labour doesn’t follow suit in some form. This sort of move is right up their alley.
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March 25, 2023 4:01pm
- greybeard
  
  Swifty, I really enjoy your posts but please refrain from using the term “gotten” !
  It is almost as annoying as “aluminum” or ” ‘erbs”.
  
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  March 25, 2023 4:33pm
- Gravelroad
  
  @swifty
  The risk of upsetting taxpayers will be minor compared with the boost in votes for the Labour Party from students past and present.
  With Labour and their desire to keep power at any coat – the ends always justify the means.
  
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  March 25, 2023 4:51pm
Alan Wilkinson

Trans activists and supporters reveal themselves as a bunch of fascists.
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March 25, 2023 4:05pm
- PeeJay
  
  This is shameful. Are they really so terrified of letting her speak that it resorts to this? Can you imagine the outrage if a trans advocate had been treated like this? Shameful.
  
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  March 25, 2023 4:31pm
  - kevn
    
    @PJ… What I see is massive insecurity in the partaking rabble plus sheep/mob mentality.
    Flicking around what you wear or may look like doesn’t really change things.. in your head.
    What a nasty display for all to see.
    
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    March 25, 2023 4:47pm
Tasman devil

Two key questions from the Posey Parker rally:

1 Was the juice the ferals threw on her organic?;and

2 Was the motor cycle that ran over Ms
Davidson electric?

In the words of Metallica nothing else matters.
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March 25, 2023 4:19pm
Bob

Free speech is ‘Verbottem’ in NZ.
New Zealand is now on the edge of ANARCHY; the future for the grandchildren does not look good.
WAKE UP citizens, before its ‘toooo late’
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March 25, 2023 4:28pm
- Ghost
  
  Is it, why because of today? Freespeech bolted a long time ago when people were censored and banned for speaking up the past few years. Not sure why people are making a big deal today, maybe people didn’t notice the past few years when so many rights were taken away
  
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  March 25, 2023 4:43pm
lifesgood

The police are an absolute disgrace. Some guy held a good riddance to Jacinda party at a pub where a group of peaceful people were celebrating. The cops turned up in droves and shut it down. Today…..? Where the hell were they. Bloody disgusting. I am ashamed of them and if I were a cop I’d be ashamed too.
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March 25, 2023 4:29pm
Maggie Pie

That bloody SkyTV….I wonder why we even bother sometimes!

If it wasn’t for the live Sport and Tammy on 1000lb-Sisters, I’d cancel it.

Just sat down with a wine to watch an episode of ‘BOTCHED’.
Knew immediately I’d seen it before. Turns out when the credits rolled, it was from 2014!! Honestly, it’s just a scam. They buy all this old sh*t for next to nothing and sell it to gullible mugs like us for $hundreds a month 🙁

Anyone else thnking the same as me?
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March 25, 2023 4:49pm
kevn

@lifes… ‘Just following orders’.
Like at the Wgtn anti mandate protest but with the boot on the other foot, going soft on them.
Like not being there in a useful role.
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March 25, 2023 4:49pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Newshub has posted a video clip that clearly shows a person pouring a liquid (?soup) onto Ms Keen-Minshull just as she reaches her speaking venue.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/03/video-moment-activist-posie-parker-has-red-liquid-thrown-on-her-at-auckland-rally-caught-on-camera.html
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March 25, 2023 4:59pm
- Ghost
  
  Wonder what the reply would have been if someone did that to Jacinda.
  
  An interesting, the person who did it has this on their bio
  
  LGBTIQ + rights advocate at the UN
  
  So we have someone that is an advocate at the UN committing assault?
  
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  March 25, 2023 5:16pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  This is the tweet of the day for me….. 😛
  
  https://twitter.com/Coltheman1/status/1639456603136217089
  
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  March 25, 2023 5:27pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    Yes, some really classy stuff there Maggie Pie.
    Re the placard on the left- not many women I know use the word c—t to describe other women.
    Looks like a man of some sort thought up that one.
    
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    March 25, 2023 5:50pm
Stellaboxer

This country is now an international laughing stock. This government is a criminal regime, minister M Woods should be arrested for incitement and the politicised police force no longer holds the respect of middle New Zealand. The New Zealand media is largely corrupted by government welfare and political bias and the government and opposition are neck and neck in the polls. Opposition opinions are not reported, deviations from the far left song book not tolerated and their proponents smeared and lied about . The biggest threat to New Zealand and its democracy at this point in time is the sitting government and the media.
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March 25, 2023 4:59pm
Stellaboxer

I guess our authoritarian leftists were more extreme than Australia’s so its a win isn’t it? Isn’t it?
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March 25, 2023 5:09pm
Gravelroad

It is being claimed on David Seymour’s social media that tomorrow’s Posey Parker rally in Wellington has been cancelled due to security issues.
So do we now have mob rule in New Zealand?
Looks like the extremists and bullies, supported and encouraged by the government, now say who can speak and who cannot.
‘Good one, Mr Hipkins and the river of filth guy. You must be so proud.
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March 25, 2023 5:27pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  From David Seymour’s FB
  
  In case you missed the attacks on Posie Parker:
  Today in Albert Park we see something ACT has long warned of: The alternative to free speech and reasoned debate is physical violence.
  In a civilised country, you counter ideas you don’t like with more speech and debate, not violence and intimidation.
  Ironically, the group who complained they were going to be the victims of violence ended up being the violent ones.
  The Immigration Minister needs to take responsibility for his unprofessional, immature and inflammatory outburst about this event. It did not help promote rational behaviour.
  The only thing that could make this worse would be if the Government itself had the power to prosecute people for causing offence under so-called hate speech laws.
  The Government could and should have enforced people’s rights to speak and debate freely without resorting to violence.
  
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  March 25, 2023 5:41pm
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    As usual David Seymour nails it. See Chris Luxon – no word soup waffle.
    
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    March 25, 2023 5:45pm
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Widogast, have you listened to Luxon’s state of the nation speech and speech on education. He used plain English, explained the policy very well, and didn’t once read off speech notes.
      
      Excellent top level policy starters and excellent communication.
      
      You still haven’t told us who to vote for, your chosen party’s main policies, the party’s chances of implementing those policies, and the party leader’s management experience and success implementing change in large organisations.
      
      It is easy to complain and denigrate but the only person you the helping is Chris Hipkins.
      
      Or maybe that is your goal.
      
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      March 25, 2023 6:28pm
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        I am referring to the willingness of Chris Luxon to answer questions on issues that may be controversial. Not his ability to read speeches. I don’t understand your other comments.
        
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        March 26, 2023 6:28am
- thirteenstars
  
  It’s not at this time:
  
  https://twitter.com/dbseymour
  
  Nor on Parker’s official feed:
  
  https://twitter.com/ThePosieParker/status/1639440176119271425?cxt=HHwWgsC-ge6Ju8AtAAAA
  
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  March 25, 2023 5:44pm
Widogast Corwin

Just had a chance to watch the Auckland livestream of KJK. Where are the police?

They deployed hundreds of police to Parliament in Wellington against a peaceful anti mandate protest. Yet today they knew there would be violent trans activists. they let a riot happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDuy2Kx2HlI

At 13 minutes her ONE security guy is yelling “We have to get you out of here.” KJK is yelling “Where is the fucking police?”

She is screaming at the media. “This is your fault. You told the public I was a fucking nazi. You liars.”

Watch it from 13 minutes onwards. It is a black day for New Zealand.
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March 25, 2023 5:38pm
- Jack5
  
  And the Mayor of Wellington seems to be calling for the same when the lady speaks in the city:
  
  From Stuff:
  
  Wellington mayor Tory Whanau said Parker would likely receive the same response in Wellington, and encouraged Wellingtonians to turn up at the counter-protest.
  
  The Green Party endorsed Whanau as a candidate for mayor and and previously she was the party’s parliamentary chief of staff.
  
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  March 25, 2023 5:48pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Nothing like showing some manaakitanga to a visitor to our capital city, eh?
    
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    March 25, 2023 6:13pm
  - emmess
    
    Today is day, the Green Party officially got promoted from authoritarian to totalitarian.
    
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    March 25, 2023 7:38pm
- Ehlana
  
  Posey got to the rotunda in a huddle of her supporters. Then the protesters started to surge forward and the barriers came down.
  
  The Police were at the back of the protest, on the edge of the park. One of Posey’s team managed to get out from the rotunda and was quite upset with the Police over their lack of action; they responded that they were organising to get Posey out.
  
  There were a group of them forming up at the roadside, getting ready to go in. But then Posey appeared, surrounded by her huddle again. The Police then surrounded her. I was surprised how far down the road they had to take her, followed by the crowd, before they got her into a Police car, and eventually got the car out through the crowd.
  
  I wouldn’t call it a riot. There were a lot of very noisy people and there were some taking physical action, but the majority were either standing still or walking. The organisers seemed to have some control – at one point, some of the crowd headed out of the park, following some of Posey’s intended audience, but I noticed they stopped at the edge of the park.
  
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  March 25, 2023 6:53pm
  - emmess
    
    Much more of a riot than Jan 6 ever was.
    
    If Trump can be held responsible for that the government MPs can be held responsible for this.
    
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    March 25, 2023 7:39pm
Maggie Pie

Lets see if ‘OneEwes@6’ runs this as their lead story….

https://twitter.com/EerjkMcRaeOF/status/1639455755714842624
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March 25, 2023 5:39pm
- Widogast Corwin
  
  I am beyond angry at today’s events. A couple of thousand violent men and their brainwashed girl sympathisers using violence to stop a tiny woman speaking with about 30 speakers who want to speak peacefully about the rights of women.
  
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  March 25, 2023 5:43pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    @me too-
    The Government and Mr Hipkins have an obligation to explain this to the rest of us – given their support of and encouragement to those people who have brought New Zealand into disrepute today.
    
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    March 25, 2023 5:55pm
Swifty

Where’s Milky today?

I would have thought he’d be in boots and all on KB today.
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March 25, 2023 5:55pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Maybe him and his two fla- mates flew up to Auckland to join the protest ?
  
  😎
  
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  March 25, 2023 6:16pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    not….. ‘fla-‘
    
    >>> flatulent-
    
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    March 25, 2023 7:24pm
- mandk
  
  He looked at the cartoon in Stuff and he found it so challenging that he had to go back to bed with his teddy.
  
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  March 25, 2023 6:18pm
Truman lodge

Today at 12.30pm a protest was held by a large group of what looked like 500 people. Mostly Maori and Pasifika. It could have been the New Conservatives or Destiny Church but I am not sure. They Clashed with The LGBTQI group who were at Posey Parkers Albert Street event.

I can confirm there were approx 20 police at Aotea square and queen st outside the Imax cinema. I counted 5 police cars and 4 bikes. WOW!! so they had their priorities sorted. What stunned me was the Trans groups had Soviet union flags and unite union flags. To me this is what the issue is for me.

The media incited violence against Posey by calling her a Nazi and an extremist. This was a call for someone to physically harm her. Imagine if she had no security? The police new and it is a disgrace. This could be the start of a shift in NZ. Will National Party rallies be met with crazy mobs? I took pics of the flags but unsure how to link to kiwiblog?
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March 25, 2023 6:19pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/wellington-top-stories/300839192/foot-found-on-wellingtons-petone-beach
They will probably find the other one at Cape TeraFEETy.
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March 25, 2023 6:22pm
kevn

NZ at the mo… queers gone tropo and violent, mountains of sick people who can’t get treatment, children getting sanitised NZ history but can’t read it, police politicised, endless lies by incompetent politicians, homelessness growing by the minute, home ownership an illusion for young middle class NZer’s.
You get the picture.
All in 5 years, NZ has failed.
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March 25, 2023 7:02pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  To top it off, the masses might just vote for more of it at the end of the year.
  You think it’s bad now…
  
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  March 25, 2023 7:41pm
Swifty

If it weren’t for the actions of the security guys, I think the trans mob would have killed KJK today.

I think she would have gone, or be taken, to the ground where she would have been trampled and/or stomped and kicked to death – such was the unhinged fury of many of the trans people present.

I also wouldn’t for a minute rule out the use of bladed weapons either which were extremely rare in my youth but seemingly ubiquitous these days.

What does that say about the mob today? Of their true nature?

And where were the police? They’ve known for days about this event. They will have been monitoring the social media posts of the protest organisers and known it had the potential to go bad. Hell, many here on LB have been openly predicting it this week.

Did the police massively drop the ball, or was this deliberate? Didn’t they have a duty to keep the crowds apart today? Why didn’t they carry out that duty?

The more I think about the police inaction today the more I am dismayed and lost for words.

KJK was physically attacked today. That tomato liquid could easily have been acid or instead of a liquid it could have been a knife or a gun.

Why wasn’t this foreseen and prevented?

Will we get answers? Will the Police Minister demand them? Or will she think KJK got what she deserved?

I think the Labour Party has some explaining to do.
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March 25, 2023 7:05pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  https://youtu.be/XvGmOZ5T6_Y
  
  A sad part of NZ today.
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:26pm
PeeJay

What is really concerning me about these far left nutters stop someone from speaking is how low the MSM are now willing to go. The MSM are actively trying to pretend that it’s unclear what ‘side’ did the disruption / attacks. I mean, for f sake. Really? Have we really descended so far into banana f-ing republic that we now have the MSM running deflection for a bloody mob? Can’t wait for the CNN type headlines ‘mostly peaceful’ counter-protest!!!!

Can you imaging the outrage if this was reversed? If some nutters had sprayed a trans advocate and a rent-a-mob had tried to drown them out? The labour/green (and probably national) politicians would be fighting to get in front of a mic to condemn the actions of the mob. The police would be cracking skulls, and the media would be running a crusade against the protesters – they’d probably be doxxing the ringleaders!

But, other than Seymour, nothing.

I said it earlier. Shameful behaviour – absolutely shameful.
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March 25, 2023 7:08pm
- Ghost
  
  You can read other politicians comments here
  
  https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/03/national-greens-act-labour-clash-over-posie-parker-s-rally-freedom-of-speech.html
  
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  March 25, 2023 7:16pm
  - PeeJay
    
    Stand corrected – good to see national & act come out strong on this.
    
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    March 25, 2023 7:27pm
Muttonbird

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Colonial oppressor transphobe Posie Parker gone out of the country without saying one word.

Bless you, NZ.
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March 25, 2023 7:10pm
- Swifty
  
  [Mod – debate what is said without making it personal, thanks]
  
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  March 25, 2023 7:30pm
- alex Masterley
  
  Ah Muttonbird, the mysoginist.
  
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  March 25, 2023 7:41pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Not quite true that Muttsie
  
  If you check Posie’s latest tweet, she says…. “fuck you” 😀
  
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  March 25, 2023 7:41pm
  - Muttonbird
    
    Your hero has gone, scurried away. Good riddance.
    
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    March 25, 2023 8:16pm
    - rouppe
      
      Quite a few people left Europe in the 30’s as well when they saw the rise of intolerant thugs
      
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      March 25, 2023 9:28pm
- emmess
  
  Yeah plenty of Maori trannies pre-1840
  Te Rauparaha was sooooo tolerant
  
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  March 25, 2023 7:49pm
- 2ic
  
  @Muttonbird
  Actually most New Zealanders supported her right to come to NZ and speak:
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300836791/yeah-nah-should-activist-posie-parker-be-allowed-into-new-zealand
  
  Poll results at the time of this post:
  Yeah, let her in: 55%
  Nah, keep her out: 45%
  Total votes: 19189
  
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  March 25, 2023 8:05pm
  - Muttonbird
    
    A self selecting poll? How about feet on the ground. Didn’t see your 55% out there today.
    
    Most people, particularly young people really, really dislike this type of transphobic rhetoric. They showed it today and that makes me proud.
    
    If you don’t like it, move somewhere else.
    
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    March 25, 2023 8:20pm
    - Jack5
      
      So you don’t think feminists and female rights advocates have a place in NZ, Muttonbird?
      
      Or are you just out for a Saturday night troll, old bird?
      
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      March 25, 2023 8:54pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      I’m much more inclined to move you somewhere else, Mutton. But before you go please give us a quote to justify your transphobic slur.
      
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      March 25, 2023 9:00pm
    - 2ic
      
      @Muttonbird
      You dispute the ‘self selecting poll’ I referenced, then claim your view is supported by ‘most people’, with absolutely no evidence at all. You’ve got to admit that is kind of funny.
      
      Then you make claims of ‘transphobic rhetoric’, when the target of your comments wasn’t even given the opportunity to talk!
      
      And while moving somewhere else is certainly an option, I for one feel that the New Zealand we once loved – and people like you seem intent on destroying – is actually worth fighting for.
      
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      March 25, 2023 9:31pm
- Swifty
  
  Mutton flys in, drops a big turd and then flies off.
  
  No debating the issues or discussing today’s events.
  
  I wonder why he won’t?
  
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  March 25, 2023 8:18pm
  - Tom Hunter
    
    You know why. Troll, pure and simple.
    
    But I’ve responded to the trolling anyway because I think he’s revealing something of himself, which is that despite decades of being a Lefty taunting the Right about womans’ rights, the abuse of woman actually turns him on.
    
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    March 25, 2023 8:40pm
  - david
    
    Indeed Swifty, he should have chosen the moniker “seagull”
    
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    March 25, 2023 10:15pm
- than
  
  What example of colonialism or oppression has Posie ever engaged in?
  
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  March 25, 2023 8:22pm
Tom Hunter

He had fun here on this issue a few years ago because he could taunt RWNJ’s about “men-in-dresses” invading women’s spaces.

Now that feminists are getting crushed by that movement he’s silent as there is no more entertainment to be had.
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March 25, 2023 8:03pm
Swifty

Well, I’m never looking at the trans lobby the same way ever again, after today.

I can’t quite believe that six or eight or so years ago I regarded myself as an ally and was supportive of the whole movement.

Then slowly as the demands became more extreme, I was a hater and a transphobe if I disagreed with the slightest bit of it.

Today we’ve seen the full flowering of the whole trans movement. Now that they have total ascendency in government, institutional and media support they are now the oppressors. Today was intolerant mob rule.

Might is right.

Speak against them and look out.

Nope, I now realise they’ve pushed me against them.

They have become the monsters.
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March 25, 2023 8:11pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  … they are now the oppressors…
  
  Twas ever thus with such Lefty movements. One can talk of double standards and hypocrisy but the Left just laugh that off.
  
  I call it the Okhrana-Cheka paradox.
  
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  March 25, 2023 8:43pm
  - Swifty
    
    Fair point Tom.
    
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    March 25, 2023 8:53pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  As I’ve said before I doubt many genuinely trans people have anything to do with these loony Left poseur thugs. Those I have met have been gentle, introverted people.
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:05pm
than

Does Marama have any evidence to back up her claims?
https://twitter.com/CultChurBro/status/1639437598958686208
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March 25, 2023 8:18pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Marama claims that all violence in the world is caused by white cis-males.
  
  James needs to watch his back.
  
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  March 25, 2023 8:47pm
  - Ghost
    
    It is usual for the racist to claim that, but the evidence doesn’t back it up
    
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    March 25, 2023 9:01pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I think every white heterosexual male in NZ needs to keep a watchful eye out when Green party members hove into view.
    
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    March 25, 2023 9:38pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Marama Davidson knows that it is “White cis-men that cause violence in this world”.
  
  Whew, aren’t we lucky she is our Minister for
  the Prevention of Family Violence and Sexual Violence?
  
  Now it’s clear as a bell that a non-white male, a trans male, or a female can never be the guilty party is in any act of violence….
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:01pm
  - igm
    
    The Labour/Green filth out and about creating mayhem whilst the decent people of NZ were working to pay their own way in life.
    How many of those weirdo lovers actually earn a dollar or are teachers and public servants?
    
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    March 26, 2023 6:05am
- Jack5
  
  The link by poster Than has Davidson saying this:
  
  “I know what causes violence in the world – White CIS men…
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:07pm
rouppe

The statue of David by Michelangelo called pornography.

Unbelievable
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March 25, 2023 8:48pm
Swifty

“You ran away, you coward TERF. Don’t mess with us ever again.”

https://mobile.twitter.com/shaneellall/status/1639401416044449792

Wow. The hatred. Not using her name, but rather a label.

I’m just lost for words.

And that’s me for the day. A sad, sad day for the country I love and the values I hold dear.
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March 25, 2023 8:52pm
fernglas

https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/03/25/posie-parker-rally-protester-explains-tomato-juice-throw/
A free and voluntary admission of an assault. No doubt the Police will act.
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March 25, 2023 9:13pm
- Ghost
  
  This is her instagram, she claims to be an advocate at the UN
  
  https://www.instagram.com/elianarubashkyn/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=dea978bc-e544-432a-992a-5a0677432cb5
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:25pm
  - fernglas
    
    Her Wikipedia entry is more informative
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliana_Rubashkyn#References
    
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    March 25, 2023 9:34pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Certainly has a few ISSUES by the sound of it 🙁
      
      Just saying.
      
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      March 25, 2023 9:51pm
- DimChappie
  
  Someone should launch a private prosecution. Besides being violent, Rubashkyn seems interesting:
  https://www.jwire.com.au/transgender-wedding-in-new-zealand/
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:45pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  LOL
  
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  March 25, 2023 9:57pm
RichardX

Why do some comments get moderated differently from others?

Swifty’s comment at 7.30 get moderated with the comment
[Mod – debate what is said without making it personal, thanks]

Tom Hunters sick personal comment made soon after just disappeared.

Why the double standard?

[Mod – Tom has got a few days ban for that comment]
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March 25, 2023 9:13pm
- RichardX
  
  I appreciate the response but it did not answer my question.
  
  Why was there nothing stating the comment was unacceptable and a ban resulted?
  
  Justice must not only be done, but must also be seen to be done”.
  As stated by Lord Hewart, the then Lord Chief Justice of England in the case of Rex v. Sussex Justices.
  
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  March 25, 2023 11:43pm
Hugh Jarse

I am sure the brown shirts of the 1930 would have been proud of what happened in Auckland today.
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