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My daughter wanted a hi-five. I left her hanging a little long, and the woke police arrested her for being a Nazi.

Be careful out there, kids.
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March 23, 2023 8:01am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Considering how the Police act, that is no joke!
  
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  March 23, 2023 8:34am
- Colville
  
  Its the blond hair and riding boots that completed the picture….!
  
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  March 23, 2023 9:01am
- Burtland
  
  like Posie Parker’s secret white supremacist salute uncovered by TV3’s gullible Amelia Wade last night.
  
  TV3 News Wed 5:50 in
  
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  March 23, 2023 9:31am
  - oldfella
    
    Yeah, Burtland, the white supremacist sign that was apparently so shocking TV3 had to blur it out. //
    
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    March 23, 2023 10:10am
  - thirteenstars
    
    This is the piece of trash masquerading as a news report:
    
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/03/posie-parker-counter-protests-planned-as-anti-trans-protester-gets-greenlight-for-nz-travel-labour-mp-expected-to-attend.html
    
    Pure propaganda. I thought TVNZ was corrupt beyond belief but consider how ideologically twisted the TV3 News editor must be who allowed this thing to appear on their main news bulletin.
    
    But make no mistake: these people know exactly what they are doing, and they are doing it apace with the folks sucking it up night after night, sitting on their recliners with their tea on their laps, nodding away like bobbleheads at the manufactured outrage paid for with their taxes.
    
    And they’ll get what they deserve. Stupidity has a price, unfortunately we all have to share the cost.
    
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    March 23, 2023 10:49am
    - Local Miller
      
      And apparently Liebour now have a “Rainbow Caucus”. How divided is their party?
      
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      March 23, 2023 1:11pm
      - spanish_tudor
        
        We only used to hear about the Rainbow Caucus (as well as the “front bums”, “gaggle of gays”, and “self-serving unionists”) when Labour were in opposition and fighting over the scraps like two bald men fighting over a comb.
        
        Luminaries like Chris Carter and Charles Chauvel were always whining about how hard done by they were by the leadership.
        
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        March 23, 2023 2:21pm
    - Individual Responsibility
      
      thirteenstars –
      I recall that in July 2022 at a DCC Meeting, chaired by Aaron Hawkins as Mayor, Dunedin nurse Jennifer Scott submitted she was “concerned about transgender women using the female changing rooms at Moana Pool”. As I recall, she was acting on her own behalf and that of her young daughter.
      
      The ODT advised that after her submission, “DCC Mayor Hawkins, who appeared shaken, told Scott that her submission was “hard to listen to, and it was at very least distasteful, if not repugnant”.
      
      Now this is the interesting bit – subsequently, at the Local Body Elections of 2022, new Mayor Jules Radich, received 20,905 votes to Hawkins’ 10,774 – nearly double!
      Please also note – Hawkins is evidently now unemployed.
      
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      March 23, 2023 2:50pm
  - The Redbaiter
    
    Burtland- “like Posie Parker’s secret white supremacist salute uncovered by TV3’s gullible Amelia Wade last night.”
    
    They blurred it out because it isn’t any kind of hand signal but merely Posey fiddling with the zip on her jacket.
    
    The report by Wade was one of the most disgusting examples of bigotry and misinformation I have seen from the NZ media, and that is saying something.
    
    BTW, don’t think it is gullibility. Wade and Newshub are fully committed to the promotion of “progressive” culture and will deliberately smear and try to destroy anyone who opposes it.
    
    Why else would they label Posey a Nazi, when all she is really is someone speaking up for the rights of women and against the intrusion of males into women’s sports?
    
    If the BSA was ever a legitimate organisation they should take action against Newshub and Wade and her inaccurate hate mongering and rabble rousing. I’d prefer they didn’t exist but if they really want to prove they’re an unbiased judicial media body they should do something about this.
    
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    March 23, 2023 11:00am
    - thirteenstars
      
      And check this out, a TVNZ report:
      
      https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/03/23/posie-parkers-entry-to-nz-encourages-hatred-activist/
      
      This is an increasingly common tactic in “news” reporting where the “reporter” extensively quotes someone with the same political view as the reporter, the reporter thereby maintaining plausible deniability over accusations of bias.
      
      Parker is not asked to respond and the only references to her are the ones that reinforce the bias.
      
      It’s political activism pretending to be news. It’s trash.
      
      And you paid for it.
      
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      March 23, 2023 12:12pm
Scott

Driving back from Wellington yesterday I asked myself what is it that I dislike most about the failure to repair our roads; is it the constant traffic cones everywhere and the fact that it takes 12 months and counting to make any progress on the road between Carterton and Masterton? Is it the renaming of New Zealand transport to Waka Kotahi, a meaningless term from a culture that had no wheel, no transport network of any kind, not even any shoes.

I decided as I drove to Masterton it was none of those things. It was the fact that in the whole of the journey from Featherston to Masterton the speed limit is 80 km/h. The joy of the open road, where you can open up the engine and drive along briskly at 100 km/h, that to me is freedom. And now the Socialists want to deny us even that!

Our country is run by Socialist control freaks whose main fear is that somewhere, somehow, people are enjoying themselves. They’re people whose chief aim in life is to suck the joy out of everything.
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March 23, 2023 8:03am
- Thought Criminal
  
  If the left can’t be happy, why should you be able to be?
  
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  March 23, 2023 9:55am
- rockape
  
  Haven’t you noticed that most socialists are unsmiling ! They love misery and want us all to be equally miserable .
  
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  March 23, 2023 9:58am
  - Brian McDonald
    
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    March 23, 2023 10:01am
  - NothingLeft
    
    They are your betters and you should gratefully welcome the opportunity to live your life according to their more enlightened beliefs.
    
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    March 23, 2023 12:09pm
Matt Long

Four out of five Chiefs of staff in the Labour Prime Minister’s office have come there directly from being paid lobbyists, the latest one direct from the Liquor industry.
Of course there’s no corruption in New Zealand.
https://democracyproject.nz/2023/03/21/bryce-edwards-shining-a-bright-light-on-lobbyists-in-politics/
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March 23, 2023 8:03am
- Gordon Shumway
  
  And this govt is fairly hopeless at giving people ministerial access “on merit”. People who should be consulted aren’t, and people who shouldn’t be consulted are.
  
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  March 23, 2023 8:10am
- kowtow
  
  Mr Trump called it the “Swamp” .
  
  He was right.
  
  It needs to be drained .
  
  The stench of corruption from it is overwhelming but the teals , the teddy bear cultists don’t get it , they believe the single source and all pronouncements from the Podium of Truth , “the most open and transparent” evah .
  
  Meanwhile our democracy dies right in front of us.
  
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  March 23, 2023 8:19am
  - krazykiwi
    
    I suggest that democracy died some time ago, having been replaced with a triennial beauty parade featuring competitive piñata frenzies. Most parade viewers don’t care where the parade is heading, just so long as they get to whack the shit out of some taxpayer-stuffed piñata.
    
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    March 23, 2023 10:22am
- Swifty
  
  Big business loves big government because there’s more of it, doing more things, for them to influence in their favour. Even getting more regulation and compliance is good for big business, as that will make it even harder for competitors, either new or small, to compete against the big players – they don’t have the resources.
  
  The answer to all this is not buggering about with lobbyists, it is reducing the size, reach and scope of government activity.
  
  But that will never happen in NZ so the whole thing, frittering about with lobbyist access etc, is a farce. An illusion.
  
  Nothing substantive will ever happen because big government and big government are far too cosy to allow it – and it is the citizenry who will suffer, through less competition, higher prices, poorer choices and higher taxes.
  
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  March 23, 2023 8:41am
- Loddenthinks
  
  They must be really crap lobbyists then, a highly lucrative role if you’re any good at it.
  
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  March 23, 2023 8:50am
  - Colville
    
    Way easier to be a lobbyist from inside the office and you get paid twice… once a fat salary…the other in fat envelopes of cash!
    
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    March 23, 2023 9:02am
  - Matt Long
    
    Are you assuming they’re no longer receiving benefits in the PM’s office? How very trustworthy they must be.
    
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    March 23, 2023 9:05am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Are you suggesting those noble, generous and kind, progressive types might be double-dipping? How very dare you!
      
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      March 23, 2023 10:24am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  These Labour folk are just capitalists in disguise.
  
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  March 23, 2023 8:55am
  - Phronesis
    
    Unfortunately, the reverse is also true.
    
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    March 23, 2023 11:10am
- Random T Person
  
  Remember the furore over Chris ‘Get Boosted’ Bishop being a former Philip Morris lobbyist.
  
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  March 23, 2023 9:14am
  - stiff cheese
    
    We don’t even have the 18 month wait time that Australia imposes on resigning Members of Parliament, before they can start work as a lobbyist.
    
    It should be a basic measure here too: a ‘restraint of trade clause’ making it hard for an MP to line up a high-paying gig outside Parliament, by sucking up to Business leaders… Not saying that always happens, but preventing corruption requires stopping OPPORTUNITIES for it to happen.
    
    Some places have — or at least are talking about it — a five year wait… But we’re just too lax, aren’t we?
    
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    March 23, 2023 1:41pm
- Warren
  
  It looks like Guyon Espiner is not prepared to lie down at let the lobbing from these ex Labour Party Presidents Cheif of Staff to past Prime Minister’s aides and others get away with what they are doing to New Zealand Politics.
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/lobbying/486527/how-well-connected-lobbyists-ask-for-and-receive-urgent-meetings-sensitive-information-and-action-on-law-changes-for-their-corporate-clients.
  This look like,smells like and is probably close to the bounds of Political corruption and needs new laws to stop ex Politicains using Parliament to make a living.
  
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  March 23, 2023 12:50pm
Simon

The Gweens, Labo & National are part and parcel of Clown World. They are all the same. Just on climate hysteria alone they qualify as the same group. Climate hysteria, NZ’s new state religion, forced upon NZ by woke AGE with NZ’s interest totally disregarded.

The climate hysteria & the political solutions to this fake threat harm NZ society. National are harm.
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March 23, 2023 8:07am
JJ56

If you are interested in the attribution of our recent cyclone to climate change read Judith Curry’s comments to a US Senate hearing on ‘Risky Business: How Climate Change is Changing Insurance Markets’ at https://judithcurry.com/2023/03/22/senate-budget-committee-hearing-today/. If you are really interested the full submission (linked to off that page) is worth a read.
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March 23, 2023 8:07am
Matt Long

Reality Check Radio is online, with Peter Williams and Rodney Hide Headlining.
I sampled a few programs, not being a radio listener I would say compared with podcasts Radio is more about filling time than concise information. I haven’t ever managed to listen through an entire Chantel Baker podcast either to be fair.
https://realitycheck.radio/
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March 23, 2023 8:12am
- Inandout
  
  ML, we are so used to video that pure radio is difficult. Short bursts like Hosking are OK.
  
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  March 23, 2023 8:17am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Matt Long – it isn’t as condensed as a podcast, but for a radio station it is head and shoulders above any alternative in NZ. It certainly destroys RNZ and shows The Platform up for their failure to actually permit open debate.
  I’m enjoying it, I don’t listen all day but what I’ve heard so far is encouraging.
  
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  March 23, 2023 8:24am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Anything Sean Plunkett is involved in is doomed, he still thinks he’s the next big thing, but hasn’t been for 25 years.
    
    Sounds more like an angry old man shouting at clouds.
    
    Peter Williams and Rodney however, refreshing, I think they are doing a pretty good job, so far, based on a couple of hours of casual listening
    
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    March 23, 2023 10:02am
  - Jack5
    
    Is RealityCheck Radio available only through the Internet.
    
    If so it’s surprising they didn’t also grab some AM frequencies for broadcast radio. These can’t be that expensive, and they are good coverage, especially at night, when programmes could be repeated.
    
    As someone pointed out on Kiwiblog recently, radio allows multi-tasking. Int he workshop, or on the tractor, or in the house, you can have the radio playing in the background and listen properly and intently when something catches your attention.
    
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    March 23, 2023 11:11am
- emmess
  
  I can’t be bothered with a radio station
  
  But I subbed to their YouTube channel, yesterday
  .https://www.youtube.com/@rcr_nz
  
  Hopefully they will start posting good clips soon.
  
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  March 23, 2023 9:07am
Mark Hanley

The election campaigning begins…..

Luxon was out yesterday saying crime needed to be tackled ‘really hard’ and there needed to be more progress on it.

He said ‘serious consequences for serious offenders were needed..’ and that.. ‘we need to be on the side of victims of crime, not on the side of offenders..’

Education and now Law & order commonsense.
Keep it coming National.
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March 23, 2023 8:16am
- Cinematic
  
  Yes, and a good strong tone to his comments. I don’t believe for a second a majority, or even 36% of people living in NZ are happy with what they see day to day.
  
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  March 23, 2023 9:42am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    The only poll I take notice of is Roy Morgan. The others were shown at the last election to be rubbish and favouring you know who..
    
    I’m confident the national / act coalition will win the election but as i mentioned they need 75% to entrench the act TOW referendum results.
    
    Wouldnt it be nice to see the curriculum and the public service targets/reporting entrenched so they can only be changed with 75 % of mps approval and so there are consequences for governments who lie about the numbers.
    
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    March 23, 2023 11:26am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      National won’t agree with a TOW referendum. Act can forget about that policy.
      
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      March 23, 2023 12:11pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        I guess we’ll have to wait to see but i do know there is infinitely more chance thst a national / act government will run a tow referendum than a labour/greens/Maori coalition will.
        
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        March 23, 2023 12:44pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        NZ’s main Tweedledum and Tweedledee parties.
        
        Both hideously arrogant and out of touch.
        
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        March 23, 2023 2:49pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Nzer in exile.
        
        Who should we vote for if not national act?
        
        What are their chances of entering parliament and implementing meaningful change?
        
        What experience does your preferred party leader have implementing change in large organisations?
        
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        March 23, 2023 4:00pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Mark H, there is no future for NZ in lurching back and forth between these two useless and dangerous parties.
        
        At some stage NZers will have to carefully and thoughtfully vote for party policy rather than which way most frightened sheep are running at any particular point in time.
        
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        March 23, 2023 4:55pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Exile. The issue illustrated by your (non) answer is there is no better option than national and act.
        
        A vote for a minor party will be as good as a vote for labour.
        
        Just think back to 2017 where the competent national team lead by English and Joyce won the election but adern was appointed pm by a mInor party.
        
        Look where that got us.
        
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        March 23, 2023 5:26pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Mark H, it’s evident that NZ is populated by a large number of shallow and immature thickos when it comes to politics.
      
      The two main parties are slowly (faster in the case of the left) but surely tearing NZ apart.
      
      How do you think ACT got to be a significant player? People got out of their cowardly and lazy comfort zones and took a chance on something other than Tweedledee and Tweedledum!
      
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      March 23, 2023 5:43pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Exile. Thickos make up the majority of all countries’ voters.
        
        In NZ over 50% of voters thought the rolling disaster Adern (herself in that aforementioned 50% presided over the most expensive covid response in the developed world) was capable of running a country.
        Adern is responsible for killing hundreds of thousands more NZers than covid was ever going to.
        
        In the UK over 50% of voters believed the buffoon Johnson and voted to make themselves markedly poorer.
        
        So politicians have to cater for thickos to gain power and make change. Hence Luxon’s stance on climate change (for the election).
        
        But like most choices in life, abusing the least bad option risks promoting the walking disasters back into power.
        
        I’m still waiting for a Luxon critic to come up with a compelling reason to vote for someone else. Without that compelling reason your criticism can only promote a disaster.
        
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        March 23, 2023 6:24pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        At some point Mark H, if you want to get out of the death spiral, you have to look around beyond the least worst piles of shit that are causing the death spiral, and DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
        
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        March 23, 2023 7:48pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Sure but what is that ‘something different’ and what are the chances of that ‘something different’ implementing the politically difficult steps to transform NZ from a low wage / high crime country to a high productivity / prosperous / culturally harmonious country, and what are this steps??
        
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        March 24, 2023 6:50am
- sirknz
  
  He said ‘serious consequences for serious offenders were needed..’ and that.. ‘we need to be on the side of victims of crime, not on the side of offenders..’
  
  Some guy in Brazil got called all sorts of names for suggesting just such a thing…
  
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  March 23, 2023 12:42pm
Simon

Recall how Clown World proclaimed how wonderful trade with China was. NZ’s biggest overseas market! So wonderful. Now with Russia China alliance trade with China is no longer any good.

CCP are vile and always have been. Nothing there has changed. But CCP resisted China being absorbed into Clown World. Now China is the enemy.
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March 23, 2023 8:17am
- NothingLeft
  
  There was reasonable hope 10-20 years back that China would liberalise, and it was right to engage with them to encourage that process. Then Emperor Xi came along and pushed it back into regressive totalitarianism – and it is right to disengage as much as possible from China as they grow more evil.
  
  Carrot and stick.
  
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  March 23, 2023 12:13pm
Widogast Corwin

The hysteria around Kellie Jay Keen is ramping up. It has reached the point where she is exposing herself to the risk of serious injury or worse. It must be very difficult for her husband and four children.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/posie-parker-anti-trans-activist-kellie-jay-keen-minshull-set-to-touch-down-in-new-zealand-on-friday/26DHY4G225CADILNLGEJJND7EM/

I remain convinced that no journalist or politician are aware of her actual views. The outstanding exception is Sean Plunkett.
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March 23, 2023 8:19am
- Gravelroad
  
  For socialist journalists and Left wing politicians –
  Self obsessed Rainbow people: special
  Aggrieved Indigenous people: special
  Teachers: not special
  Doctors and nurses: not special
  Worker people: not special
  Farmers/growers: definitely not special.
  
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  March 23, 2023 8:27am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Women: definitely not special
    
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    March 23, 2023 8:37am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      There is a caste system of identity based specialness/victimhood in wokeland.
      
      It goes loosely something like this (at this moment anyway):
      
      Caste 1 – Communists, the Hardcore Left, Communalists, LGBT+ exclusive, Ultra-progressives, Progressive Fascists, Cultural Marxists, Black supremacists, and rape victims.
      
      Caste 2 – Socialists, Market-Socialists, Anti-racists, The Left, BLM, 1619, Progressives, SJWs, Minorities.
      
      Caste 3 – Feminists, Soyboys, Simps, Women, the Center-Left, Democrats, LGBT+ allies.
      
      Caste 4 – Men, Progressive Capitalists, the Center-Right, Centrists, Cisgenders, Straights, Republicans.
      
      Caste 5 – Conservatives, Christians and other anti-progressives, Capitalists, the Far-Right/White supremacists, KKK.
      
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      March 23, 2023 8:40pm
  - kowtow
    
    When they locked us up , doctors and nurses were very special . If you didn’t wear a mask alone on a beach you were a serious danger to them and all of society .
    
    Now that we’ve been moved along from that Ardern created ,self described “emergency” they’re not so special , same with supermarket workers who were once placed on a pedestal but who now too are , not so special.
    
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    March 23, 2023 8:37am
  - Random T Person
    
    Women with a vagina and breasts and oestrogen: not special.
    
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    March 23, 2023 9:15am
- Matt Long
  
  They may be aware of her views but for the journos and people like Wood stirring fake hysteria is financially and politically useful.
  I wouldn’t be at all surprised if there weren’t fake Nazis at the meeting to stir the narrative further.
  I’m not saying the Nazis at Melbourne were fake, I’m not saying they weren’t, I can’t know that due to the shocking standard of journalism we now have.
  I’m just saying there’s a certain sector of society that like to play dress ups, and association of women’s rights with fascism would suit them very well.
  
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  March 23, 2023 8:28am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Matt Long – the Nazis in Melbourne were probably a deliberate tactic to taint the speaker and deflect from her actual message which is completely sane and rational. They certainly weren’t invited by her or connected to her.
    The liberal left are more and more revealing themselves as dangerous thugs and bullies. Wood’s comments are outrageous and not based on a shred of truth.
    
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    March 23, 2023 8:38am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I wonder if those Melbourne Nazis have NZeTA clearances?
      
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      March 23, 2023 9:05am
    - leoj
      
      It’s called ‘infiltration’ and the same tactics were used by the govt at last year’s anti-mandate protest.
      
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      March 23, 2023 10:52am
    - The Redbaiter
      
      ClanMcLeod- “the Nazis in Melbourne were probably a deliberate tactic to taint the speaker and deflect from her actual message which is completely sane and rational. They certainly weren’t invited by her or connected to her.”
      
      The last sentence is true, but they were genuine Nazis who have taken to appearing at every organisation where the communist group Antifa turns up. The police won’t protect speakers from Antifa so the Nazis are filling the void. Unfortunate, but that is the reality.
      
      So Posey didn’t invite the Nazis. They weren’t there for any other reason except that Antifa was there, (supporting the trans activists) and this is what the NZ media would say if they were ever interested in truth.
      
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      March 23, 2023 11:19am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Correct TRB. And Victoria’s far left leadership also exploited the situation to spread pro-lunatic Maoist style disinformation on the whole thing.
        
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        March 23, 2023 4:36pm
  - MCōs
    
    I don’t know anyone who would dress up as Nazi and stand with Posie Parker giving Nazi salutes on national TV especially if someone yanked their mask off, in an attempt to make her look bad.
    
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    March 23, 2023 8:40am
    - Inandout
      
      MC, stranger things happened on the Jan 6th episode.
      
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      March 23, 2023 8:46am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Inandout – recently released footage from the day shows you are correct. Well worth the watch, only a couple of minutes.
        
        https://twitter.com/stevenvoiceover/status/1633218199981375489?s=20
        
        😂
        
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        March 23, 2023 9:49am
      - Bridgenag
        
        Amazing… Worth sending out to folk to show how the news was put out there. Of course the same happened here with the Freedom Fighters in Wellington. Bet someone has videos of the paid heavies brought in to make it look violent. Don’t forget the MSM version R T. Rower style.
        
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        March 23, 2023 10:14am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      MCōs – I don’t personally know anyone either, but it wouldn’t surprise me if this was what happened.
      
      Michael Wood has no problem whatsoever implying that she is connected to those people. That is the way the msm media has portrayed the events. It seems stage managed.
      
      I’ve seen enough in the last 3 years of covid to know that people will stoop to some very sick tactics to smear anyone who can’t be debated on the actual topic. We saw it with those brave people like Simon Thornley who spoke out against the idea of lockdowns and border closures in the earliest days of covid. Just one example.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/125035835/the-scientist-and-the-rabbit-hole-how-epidemiologist-simon-thornley-became-an-outcast-of-his-profession
      
      No attempt to debate what he said, straight to the now regular tactic of smears and insults.
      The same thing is happening to this woman. There is nothing “transphobic” about anything she has ever said.
      
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      March 23, 2023 9:27am
    - herb1
      
      Your lack of knowledge of anyone who would do this , dosent give any credibility to your denial of this action as an option.
      
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      March 23, 2023 11:31am
  - Nickc2
    
    The Nazis in Melbourne were Chairman Dan’s (Victoria Premier) Trade Union thugs.
    
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    March 23, 2023 8:40am
    - MCōs
      
      You’re going to have to do better than that.
      Up to that point nobody seemed to notice she was even in the neighbourhood and heading our way.
      People seemed to know about her after that.
      Here she is down in Hobart
      https://twitter.com/janeygodley/status/1638121071785148418?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
      She probably doesn’t care about the hostile reception, I’m guessing
      Does wonders for the fund raising.
      Have to put sausages on the table for all those kids somehow.
      
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      March 23, 2023 11:47am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I do notice that media reports on this from stuff/herald etc, there are no authors.
    Nobody has the balls to put their names to a piece they write.
    
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    March 23, 2023 8:58am
    - Ian Boag
      
      the balls to put their names to a piece they write
      
      Here on KB there’s you, me, DG and Wayne Mapp ..
      
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      March 23, 2023 9:03am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        And Chuck Bird
        
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        March 23, 2023 9:14am
      - Libertarians are right
        
        That’s because for most of us some Leftist Activists (a very loud minority) would try to destroy our lives and make the lives of those around us harder just for having different beliefs to them
        
        It must be nice having opponents who are decent and considerate of your right to your beliefs.
        
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        March 23, 2023 9:18am
      - JimBobJoe
        
        We aren’t journalist paid to publish under our own names though are we Ian.
        Journalist also have job security as most of them work for large organisations that specialise in reporting news
        People on here are engaging to share ideas of a political nature.
        They seek anonymity for the simple reason that some Political actors in NZ dont like sharing ideas or free speech and will target posters livelihoods to shut people up.
        You obviously have the luxury of self employment with uncancellable cashflow or being retired with secure income
        Journalists should put their names to their articles – that way people can find out if they have conflicts of influence that impact on their reporting…
        
        Your implied dig at posters using non de plumes does you no credit as everything above you know.
        
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        March 23, 2023 9:26am
      - Matt Long
        
        Chuck, Ian appears to be a little self obsessed.
        I can absolutely see why some people post under pseudonyms here, if you have a look at the raging Twits under
        https://twitter.com/golrizghahraman/status/1638353735595470849
        You can see where people would be reluctant to put their jobs and families at risk from being outed as ” fascists” by the Fascists. P
        
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        March 23, 2023 9:28am
      - Ghost
        
        You mean ghost isn’t my real name? Hmmm
        
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        March 23, 2023 9:41am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Ghost.
        Nobody has seen you – need photo ID
        
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        March 23, 2023 9:58am
      - Ghost
        
        I had ai create an image of when I went to the beach
        
        https://postimg.cc/ZBvT6JcL
        
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        March 23, 2023 10:27am
      - Taieri
        
        Here on KB there’s you, me, DG and Wayne Mapp
        —————-
        
        You claim to be Ian Boag, but how do we know that that’s true?
        
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        March 23, 2023 10:43am
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        I predate most of you I think.
        
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        March 23, 2023 11:46am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        ChatGPT after having to deal with humans every day:
        
        https://www.blackhatworld.com/attachments/frjv9swx0amwpya-jpg.247551/
        
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        March 23, 2023 4:46pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Uptick Ian. The comment was about stuffed and horrid – not here on Kiwiblog.
        
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        March 23, 2023 5:33pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “I’m just saying there’s a certain sector of society that like to play dress ups”
    I wonder who you really mean?//
    
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    March 23, 2023 9:03am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Widogast Corwin – interesting that Minister Michael Wood (rivers of filth etc) repeats his usual lying verbal assaults and smears as he did with the Wellington protesters.
  
  “Like many New Zealanders I would prefer it if Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull never set foot in New Zealand. I find many of her views repugnant, and am concerned by the way in which she courts some of the most vile people and groups around, including white supremacists,” Wood said.
  
  “I condemn her inflammatory, vile and incorrect worldviews, and will always stand alongside those New Zealanders who use their own right to free speech against those who wish to take society backwards.”
  
  Wood is possibly the most vacuous and vile
  politician in Wellington, certainly since Mallard left.
  I would bet money he hasn’t got a single clue what her “vile and incorrect worldviews” are. Someone should ask him and watch him splutter. Assclown.
  
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  March 23, 2023 8:34am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    When the “nazis” showed up in Melbourne, it was the women who were frightened. The trans activists ignored the nazis and just kept on screaming. The nazis did their salute and dispersed in 2 minutes. Yet suddenly the event was all about the nazis who are now “supporters” of Kellie Jay Keen. 😳😳😳
    
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    March 23, 2023 8:45am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Our media would do exactly the same, but report on Posie Parker? Nope.
      Reporting on rubbish gets full attention.
      
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      March 23, 2023 9:10am
    - emmess
      
      Seems like a total psyop to me, just like Ray Epps and friends at Jan 6.
      Apparently, the police let them through.
      
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      March 23, 2023 9:11am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        emmess – not sure if you saw this previously unreleased video of the terrible insurrection…..
        
        https://twitter.com/stevenvoiceover/status/1633218199981375489?s=20
        
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        March 23, 2023 9:35am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    I actually consider the notion that biological men are telling biological women what a woman is to be more disturbing.
    
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    March 23, 2023 8:46am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Minister of Filth, Wood, is a pompous embarrassment.
    Who is he to say that someone has “incorrect worldviews”?
    Sounds like something Adolph Hitler would have said.
    That Mr Wood is a senior cabinet minister speaks volumes about the level of intelligence within the Labour Party.
    He has seen fit to publicly judge and vilify an applicant seeking a visa administered by a ministry that he is supposed to be governing. Did he personally try to interfere and lobby with the public service to achieve a different outcome?
    Has he read the Cabinet Manual?
    
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    March 23, 2023 8:47am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      It is possible that we may get 3 more years of this loser.
      Of course he tried to affect the outcome in the Ministry, but I guess he forgot about the NZeTA.
      
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      March 23, 2023 9:14am
    - Ehlana
      
      Has anyone in the Labour cabinet read the Cabinet Manual?
      Is it available in Manglish? Or crayon graphic? Perhaps that would help.
      
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      March 23, 2023 9:28am
      - spanish_tudor
        
        Mahuta already stole all the crayons.
        
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        March 23, 2023 2:25pm
  - Swifty
    
    Peterson is a Nazi.
    
    Southern and Molyneaux are Nazis.
    
    Richard Dawkins is a Nazi.
    
    Kellie-Jay Keen is a Nazi.
    
    Who have I missed?
    
    That’s right, the left are saying “These people are literally Adolf Hitler.”
    
    This demonisation of and attempts to silence people freely expressing their views is reminiscent of the very Fascism the left claim to abhor.
    
    They sicken me with their tactics and abuse and I believe one day it’s going to spectacularly backfire on them. There’ll come a day when good people will have had enough.
    
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    March 23, 2023 8:49am
    - riffer
      
      You are correct. And it is bullshit.
      
      It seems to me that extremism is the only way to get the media’s attention nowadays, so all we see is extremist left views promoted via media, and extremist right views promoted too.
      
      And naturally, we have an emotional reaction to these, and, also naturally, we tend to think these extreme views are representative of that particular political affiliation, which obviously they are not.
      
      Most conservatives are good people. As are most lefties.
      
      Sadly, we have all come to see the other ones as enemies. And most of us are more alike than we think.
      
      Fuck all the extremists. They all get far too much of a say.
      
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      March 23, 2023 10:30am
      - Swifty
        
        Yeah, except these very statements are coming directly from Labour and Green MPs and some of their key supporters.
        
        If you are saying we have a government of extremists then I’d have to agree with you.
        
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        March 23, 2023 10:43am
      - riffer
        
        Not necessarily. I am more saying that extreme interpretations do not help us have a rational debate.
        
        Media representations of both sides present an inaccurate truth.
        
        And its all designed to feed into our political biases.
        
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        March 23, 2023 10:55am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Trouble is, the extreme left has been trying for the last few decades to train the sheeple into believing they (the extreme left) are “the new centre”.
        
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        March 23, 2023 2:55pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Why is that nasty little twit even talking about this fFS, it’s nothing to do with him, she is allowed in, and it’s a democracy just in this country
    
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    March 23, 2023 9:21am
  - spanish_tudor
    
    I’ve watched most of the New Zealand news stories about KJK from here in Australia. It’s telling that the footage they show is almost exclusively the Nazi salute and that trans activist handmaiden snatching the microphone at the Melbourne event. No actual coverage of women speaking at all, which is why KJK is here
    
    To be “gender critical” is not to be “anti-trans”. Describing pro-women activists as “anti-trans activists” and “transphobes” is bad faith word manipulation to vilify opponents. Stock in trade for the intolerant left.
    
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    March 23, 2023 10:22am
    - riffer
      
      You were doing well until your last sentence. You see, you are falling into the trap like all of us, of thinking that extremist views represent a majority, which they bloody well don’t.
      
      Just like the nazis didn’t speak for Kellie-Jay Keen, these extremists being reported widely do not speak for the majority on the left.
      
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      March 23, 2023 10:57am
      - Swifty
        
        Well then let’s see and hear the tolerant members of the left start speaking out about this demonisation.
        
        All I’m hearing are crickets.
        
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        March 23, 2023 11:10am
      - Matt Long
        
        Is Shane Te Pou or Michael Wood an extremist then Riffer?
        
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        March 23, 2023 11:16am
- Scott
  
  Can we ever have a debate about this whole trans issue? There doesn’t seem to be a lot of logic to it. How many people are actually trans?
  
  And is it right to upend the whole of our civilisational understanding of male and female to accommodate the wishes of a very few people with blue hair who literally don’t know whether they are Arthur or Martha?
  
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  March 23, 2023 8:50am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    Now, girls who a decade ago would have been called “Tom boys” are being given testosterone and mastectomies. Before this madness, some of those Tom boys would have become lesbians. Some would be heterosexual. Only a very tiny number would transition to men.
    
    It is child abuse.
    
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    March 23, 2023 9:43am
    - Swifty
      
      We’ve fought for decades to stamp out infant and girl genital mutilation but now it’s all ok again?
      
      It’s fine if the left say it is?
      
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      March 23, 2023 10:16am
      - riffer
        
        Dude, of course not. It’s SOME people, who are left aligned say that. And media only presents the extremist opinions.
        
        We are all getting played. 90% of the things that people here get all het up about are bullshit extremist views being presented by the media as somehow representative of most of society. And it simply isn’t the case.
        
        Yet we all get so emotional about it.
        
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        March 23, 2023 10:33am
      - Swifty
        
        Yes, fair point riffer.
        
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        March 23, 2023 10:40am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Have a look at this: The location of pediatric gender clinics in the USA – 2007 vs 2022
      
      Move over ethics, ruining young lives is now big business.
      
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      March 23, 2023 10:33am
    - Taieri
      
      Only a very tiny number would transition to men
      —————
      
      Logical impossibility. How does a woman “transition to man”? A human being born a woman remains a woman to the end of her days. The configuration of chromosomes can’t be changed, be it by a self-declaration or by a scalpel.
      
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      March 23, 2023 10:50am
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        I think that my meaning is clear.
        
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        March 23, 2023 12:50pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Can we ever have a debate about this whole trans issue?
    
    You are much too late to the party.
    
    Last year, under cover of the conversion therapy bill, the gender affirming care model was enshrined in law as the only clinically acceptable approach to treating young people who identify as trans.
    
    https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/citizen-science-gender-identity-don-t-look-away
    
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    March 23, 2023 10:16am
  - rockape
    
    I guess we may find out when the census is produced. It seem to lean that way.
    
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    March 23, 2023 10:18am
    - Paulus
      
      The census is only for special people and will not we are told be avaiable to those who want it without special dispensation.
      So you will not see the product of any modifications that will take place because of the low turnout.
      Like GCSE every body is equal after modification, and Maori are greater in numbers that you thought.
      
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      March 23, 2023 1:45pm
- I remember when
  
  As Bryce Edwards has pointed out in his article –
  
  the government already have enough lobbyists!!!
  
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  March 23, 2023 8:52am
- Loddenthinks
  
  I heard this woman yesterday. The most violent, evil, sickening, intolerant words they could find coming out of her mouth were: “Women don’t have a penis. Men don’t have a vagina.”
  
  It has come to a pretty pass when stating inalienable, incontrovertibly true statements such as the above is deemed “repugnant” by our Deputy PM, and the nasty trans-activists are even now preparing to exercise the thug’s and heckler’s vetoes. Strange days indeed.
  
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  March 23, 2023 8:54am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Loddenthinks – we can thank Ardern for one thing. She clearly admitted that the tactics of the left are narrative control and only permitting a “single source of truth” – theirs.
    
    Anyone not agreeing with them is attacked, smeared, vilified. There is a name for that – fascism. Michael Wood wouldn’t look out of place in a black leather trench coat. He certainly seems to have the rhetoric. A nasty, petty, vindictive little man.
    
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    March 23, 2023 9:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    From yesterday:
    She sounds reasonable and level headed to me.
    She has nothing to do with neo-nazis.
    
    These professional protesters are frauds, and the media lap it up.
    “Accuse The Other Side Of That Which You Are Guilty” comes to mind.
    
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    March 23, 2023 10:18am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Kellie Jay Keen/Posie Parker does not need a Visa, she has a NZeTA. Labour playing childish games, just to get a headline.
  Aotea Center 11am Sat, although another report says Albert Park.
  Wellington Civic Square Sun, 2pm.
  How to get to Wellington from Auckland? Will Air NZ start acting the goat? Safety of passengers and all that pc shit.
  
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  March 23, 2023 8:54am
mandk

Anti-trans activist is just one of those labels lazy journalists use when they can’t be bothered to do some proper investigation

Has anyone taken the time to establish what her position is?

Is she anti trans per se, or is she more simply opposed to biological males with their penises intact using female changing rooms when children are present? Is she more simply opposed to the pharmacological and surgical mutilation of minors suffering from no more than adolescent confusion? Is she more simply concerned with biological males literally muscling in on females sporting events?

I guess we might never know, because Trans activist bullies and their supporters will do their dumbest to drown out her voice
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March 23, 2023 8:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Activist bullies are calling for musicians with trumpets etc to drown her out.
  It might be worth a visit, to video what sort of arseholes we have in NZ. Then post it on social media. The NZ media can not stop you doing that.
  
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  March 23, 2023 10:23am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Also directing people to buy air-horns. Hecklers veto
    
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    March 23, 2023 12:24pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yeah, shitloads of huge semi trucks blasting horns.
      Oh, maybe not, just a bunch of party rollout horns!
      
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      March 23, 2023 5:38pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Great point – lazy and intellectually dishonest. They smear her by saying she’s “anti-trans rights” without ever specifying what those rights are.
  
  We all know they are:
  
  1. You must ignore my mental illness and delusion, and refer to me by my chosen gender
  2. You must use my pronouns
  3. You must acknowledge I am something I’m clearly not and can never be
  4. You must accept that a woman can have a penis and a man can get pregnant. You must consciously defy your conscious rational mind.
  5. You must let me into the dressing room with your young girls if I say I’m a woman
  6. You must give me access to your children at kindergartens, schools and libraries so I can groom them
  7. You must LOOK AT MEEEEEEEEE!!
  
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  March 23, 2023 10:38am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Only (1) needs to be acknowledged.
    
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    March 23, 2023 11:28am
- thirteenstars
  
  “is she more simply opposed to biological males with their penises intact using female changing rooms when children are present?”
  
  Yes, all of that defines her as anti-trans. You can’t say, innocently, “simply opposed” because being simply opposed to those things is the essential aspect of being anti-trans.
  
  See, you must be on board with the entire program or you are the enemy. There’s no such thing as live and let live. Leaving them alone to dress up as women and hang out with like-minded people is not good enough. Simply respecting their right to be who they want to be is not enough. They have to GET IN YOUR FACE, disrupt, create conflict, mental dissonance, and they have to make you *recognise* them. They want affirmation in the form of your compliance. But to comply is not enough because there will always be a new demand, a new requirement to comply. And the demands have to be increasingly outrageous and uttered with evermore shrill voices.
  
  And it can never end, because if it ends YOU will have won. Constant conflict is the goal and the path to power for them. They are first and foremost a political movement, neo-Marxists, and trans this, and gender that, and equity there, and diversity here, they are all simply mechanisms to advance the political goal which is the destruction of the middle class, capitalism, individualism and peace.
  
  But always – do not forget this, Winston – always there will be the intoxication of power, constantly increasing and constantly growing subtler. Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – for ever.
  
  –George Orwell, 1984
  
  https://interestingliterature.com/2021/07/orwell-want-picture-future-imagine-boot-stamping-human-face-meaning-origins-analysis/
  
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  March 23, 2023 11:38am
Rusty

3News last night supposedly showed a clip of Possie Parker using a white supremist hand gesture which they blanked out as being offensive.

So how do we know it was an offensive gesture in the first place if we couldn’t see it?

My understanding is Possie Parker is a campaigner for womans rights but that seems to be a dirty word with our woke media and alternative lifestyle people.
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March 23, 2023 8:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Blanking our is censoring free speech – you are not adult enough to see this.
  
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  March 23, 2023 10:25am
  - riffer
    
    I agree with you Steve. It’s bullshit.
    
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    March 23, 2023 10:36am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Wow, riffer agrees with me. Totally expected from the children on TV 1 and TV 3.
      🙂
      
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      March 23, 2023 12:27pm
- riffer
  
  I saw the video that clip came from.
  
  That image was selected from perhaps thousands of images. She was talking with her hands moving around.
  
  It’s the image equivalent of selecting select words from a speech to make somebody say something they never meant.
  
  Again, we are all getting played.
  
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  March 23, 2023 10:35am
  - Swifty
    
    Thank you riffer.
    
    How deceitful.
    
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    March 23, 2023 10:37am
    - riffer
      
      Mate, I am a leftie, and I am appalled at how all this nonsense is being portrayed as representative of the left. I see parallels with identity politics and the left, and Christian Conservatives and the right.
      
      I am starting to get pretty hoha about it to be honest.
      
      For those that doesn’t understand the word “hoha” it pretty much is a combination of “bored” and “over this shit”.
      
      I understand that in order to enact a societal change you must be extreme – it was thus with black rights, gay rights, women’s liberation – but the older I get the less I give a flying fuck about people trying to present me as some kind of bad person because I am generally happy with my lot in life, and I’m happy to let people just be.
      
      We need to accommodate and acknowledge diversity in our world, but you know what – I just don’t agree that is has to the most important thing in MY life.
      
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      March 23, 2023 11:04am
      - Swifty
        
        “….but the older I get the less I give a flying fuck about people trying to present me as some kind of bad person…..”
        
        Welcome to our world riffer.
        
        For decades we on the NZ right have been damned, slurred, vilified, shamed, labelled as Nazis, white supremacists, evil, uncaring, fascist – all because we have some objections to Labour and Green policies or seek to have a few questions answered.
        
        And here we are this very week, trying to defend ourselves from exactly these attacks – all because we disagree with the way some aspects of the transgender debate are moving.
        
        Not a good feeling is it mate?
        
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        March 23, 2023 11:21am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Riffer, I believe there is some hope for you.
        
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        March 23, 2023 2:59pm
- Widogast Corwin
  
  Just shocking. There is no way that woman would give a Nazi salute. She waves her arms around when she talks passionately. If you film someone long enough you can find a frame that looks like a nazi salute.
  
  Honestly, I don’t know how she keeps going. She does attract some controversy in the UK, but nothing like the hysteria we have seen in Australia.
  
  The major risk she runs in the UK is prosecution under their ‘hate speech’ laws. There is an active investigation in progress and she may well face prosecution in the next few weeks.
  
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  March 23, 2023 11:26am
- NothingLeft
  
  The “OK” hand sign was promoted to credulous media as a white supremacist symbol by a group of trolls on 4-chan. And the unthinking fools in desperate need of more white supremacists (they are in critically short supply in the real world) to drive clicks bought into it and promoted it.
  
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  March 23, 2023 12:29pm
  - Vory v zakone
    
    So far there are five that Patrick Gower found hiding under his bed…
    
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    March 23, 2023 4:37pm
- Spring Bank Westie
  
  In that case we should all immediately demand the ban of anything to do with the NBA, ANBL and any other basketball events forthwith.
  
  I am disgusted to see that every time a 3 point goal is scored, three white men in striped suits, and hundreds of other neo-Nazis leap to their feet and overtly raise the very same white supremacist gesture.
  
  Basketball is racist! //
  
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  March 23, 2023 1:17pm
kowtow

Coughlan in today’s Ferald ;

On the RMA .

“co governance doesn’t make an appearance in the new RMA regime”.

Maybe not under that exact term but this regime is determined to use it so
“Resource management reforms will better recognise Te Tiriti with a new requirement that people
and organisations using the powers and performing duties and functions under the NBA and SPA
need to “give effect to” the principles of Te Tiriti.
Introducing this requirement means that Tiriti principles will need to be considered and implemented
in all decision-making under the NBA and SPA. In practice, this will require the provision for Māori to
have stronger participation in the new system.”

Source ;Ministry of Environment.

And churnalists wonder why no one trusts them.
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March 23, 2023 8:33am
- Loddenthinks
  
  It doesn’t “make an appearance” it permeates every aspect of the regime. It is baked in. It cannot be avoided.
  
  But let’s pretend it doesn’t exist, and call it a “racist dog-whistle” and anyone who points it out a racist bigot.
  
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  March 23, 2023 10:40am
NeverMindTheBollocks

I get fed up with the Greens bleating on about rising NZ emissions. Don’t they know that the population has increased by 1m since 2000. Well, daaah! So, you think they’d be keen on cutting immigration, right?

The other thing Greens could do is lead by example and not have any kids. Marama, baby, six kids – massive fail.
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March 23, 2023 8:38am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  More importantly over the last 20 years, the numbers of cars has increased by 64 percent, from 2.7 million to 4.4 million.
  
  https://www.ehinz.ac.nz/assets/Factsheets/Released_2021/Number-of-Vehicles.pdf
  
  In 2021 there were 889 vehicles per thousand people.
  
  https://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Report/AnnualFleetStatistics.pdf
  
  Apart from odd places like Andorra New Zealand car ownership is the second highest in the world, just slightly behind the USA.
  
  This is the thing with Greens. Despite 20 years of them wailing about people needing to use PT and ride bikes, the response of the public has been to buy ever more cars. Over 20 years the population increased by 20 percent. The numbers of cars increased by 64 percent. That is quite an achievement.
  
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  March 23, 2023 11:34am
Tony Stuart

Golriz Ghahraman has well and truly jumped the shark. She’s trying to conflate the visit of Kelly Jay Keen to the mosque terrorist attack in Christchurch in 2019. She tweets:

Golriz Ghahraman
@golrizghahraman
Let’s stand with our trans whānau now, as the risk of the unthinkable grows, rather than stand at vigils afterward.
We KNOW atrocity is begotten of hate speech. We now know.

https://twitter.com/golrizghahraman/status/1638465910590808065

Oddly, thus far the only people I’ve seen threatening anything that may end in violence are all the left-winders like Ms Ghahraman, who despise free speech when the message is one they don’t agree with.
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March 23, 2023 8:38am
- Jethrod
  
  I think it is highly likely that there will be a turnout of black dressed persons in an attempt to denigrate this Posey Parker.
  What is needed is a contingent of people with cameras to photograph them in an attempt to out them for the horrible left wing thugs they are. It would cause some embarrassment for some party.
  
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  March 23, 2023 8:52am
- MCōs
  
  You forget all those Nazis in Melbourne led by Thomas Sewell.
  
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  March 23, 2023 8:55am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “You forget all those Nazis in Melbourne led by Thomas Sewell.”
    
    What TF is this about? Can you elaborate?
    
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    March 23, 2023 3:00pm
    - Widogast Corwin
      
      Sadly he is correct. They were real ‘neo nazis’.
      
      https://www.starobserver.com.au/news/neo-nazis-far-right-turn-up-at-uk-anti-trans-activist-kellie-jay-keens-melbourne-event/222599
      
      The guy at the front is this guy:
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sewell_(Australian_neo-Nazi)
      
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      March 23, 2023 5:50pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        As Redbaiter correctly pointed out, the “Nazis” only turned up simply because the woke nazi thugs (Antifa) turned up. Dan Andrews (far left virtue signalling premier of Victoria) appears to be OK with people being harassed and assaulted by lefty nazi thugs.
        
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        March 23, 2023 8:03pm
- Swifty
  
  “Any opposition to our policies and commands will be deemed hate speech and action will be taken accordingly….”
  
  The left have become demented with power.
  
  Deranged.
  
  They are taking us to a place where speech against them and their policies will be criminalised.
  
  I say again, they have become the very Fascists they claim to abhor.
  
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  March 23, 2023 8:56am
  - Paulus
    
    Under the Ardern Regime New Zealand has never been so widely divided in many differing ways !
    
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    March 23, 2023 10:12am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  She does not hate trans people. She only has three central views. Of course they are debatable.
  
  Firstly, no trans men in women’s prisons or changing rooms.
  
  Secondly, no biological men in women’s sports.
  
  Thirdly, no medical or surgical procedures to transition children.
  
  I totally agree with 2 and 3. I could envisage exceptions to 1.
  
  I would like Golriz Ghahraman to explain how these views are analogous to those of the Chistchurch terrorist.
  
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  March 23, 2023 8:59am
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Exactly. I would go with no penises as the starting point for 1 but believe women should have a say beyond that.
    
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    March 23, 2023 9:23am
  - NothingLeft
    
    transitioning children; its possible there are some children who are sufficiently strongly identifying as transgendered that it does increase their chances of long term happiness/survival to transition as children. But I am dubious – at best probably no more than a few % of current numbers.
    
    10 years from now I’m betting that the childhood transitioners have several times the cumulative suicide rates that they would have had they been denied it, and there will be sufficient data to prove this mania has been a calamitous medical experiment
    
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    March 23, 2023 12:36pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  And that nasty little gollum, Shaneen Lal or whatever it’s called. You can tell they’re planning violence, when they say they’ve “never been more scared about going to a protest”.
  
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  March 23, 2023 9:01am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @Loddenthinks-
    Why would they be scared? The protesters will be the aggressors.
    And if they are truely fearful of hearing something that might terrify them – the solution is simple-
    Don’t go.
    Stay at home and do something useful.
    
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    March 23, 2023 9:23am
    - Matt Long
      
      These people do something useful? You have a great sense of satire.
      
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      March 23, 2023 9:33am
  - Taieri
    
    they’re planning
    they say they’ve “never been more scared about going to a protest”.
    —————
    
    They? Is there a multiple Shaneen Lal?
    
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    March 23, 2023 10:57am
    - Matt Long
      
      Mark 5:9 Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”
      “My name is Legion,” he replied, “for we are many.” The Gerasene demoniac.
      
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      March 23, 2023 3:14pm
- Yvette
  
  Golriz Ghahraman – We KNOW atrocity is begotten of hate speech. We now know.
  
  The Christchurch atrocities are surely marked by the lack of notable hate speech or any other indicator that drew attention to what Tarrant intended to do – that is how he was able to slay 51 people, and injure those that he did
  
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  March 23, 2023 9:52am
  - Bridgenag
    
    No…… the police gave him the means
    
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    March 23, 2023 12:37pm
  - Ehlana
    
    You weren’t supposed to notice that Yvette.
    
    Isn’t whatever he actually had to say banned in New Zealand? On the theory of goodness knows what.
    
    It’s all getting as oppressive as the Victorian era. I expect we’ll be putting skirts back on piano legs soon, in the name of gender equality or such.
    
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    March 23, 2023 2:34pm
I remember when

New Plymouth District Council:
A new build $650,000 home on a $350,000 section will net the government around $300,000 in various taxes over the following 12 months.
NPDC gets the benefit of a new ratepayer contributing around $3000 a year.
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March 23, 2023 8:44am
- Colville
  
  $300,000?? complete bullshit.
  
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  March 23, 2023 9:33am
  - I remember when
    
    I can only guess they include any taxes from the building, etc., materials, PAYE, Gst, all add-ons including the manufacture, plus purchase of section.
    
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    March 23, 2023 10:26am
- Matt Long
  
  So a third of the cost of new housing is tax? Hmmm, maybe people could take a gander at that with regard to housing affordability.
  
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  March 23, 2023 9:35am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Interesting. Can you provide more detail pls.
  
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  March 23, 2023 10:27am
- riffer
  
  Would like to see some information supporting that.
  
  Although I guess GST and Income Tax on the workers that build it could make up a fair bit I would have thought more like a third.
  
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  March 23, 2023 10:38am
- PeeJay
  
  Hard to say for sure but actually plausible.
  
  Assuming both the section value and build cost are accurate, GST could see this up to $186k straight away.
  
  Could easily see the rest being made up for in taxes – materials, consultants, Council invoices, Branz levies, ACC levies, Paye on the labour etc.
  
  Wouldn’t be surprised at $300k. Hard to be sure based on the numbers but easily plausible.
  
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  March 23, 2023 10:45am
Maggie Pie

I see where up till the end of February, only 19 Nurses from overseas have been granted a straight to residency Visa since the government embarked on fast-tracking applications in mid-December.

Maybe we’re no longer seen as the land-of milk-&- honey after 6 years of a Labor government?
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March 23, 2023 8:49am
- MCōs
  
  Australia pays more.
  
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  March 23, 2023 8:57am
  - kevn
    
    @MCos… That’s where the new nurse migrants go after their 2 years nursing here. Aussie.
    
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    March 23, 2023 9:19am
- rockape
  
  There are a lot more leaving than coming.
  
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  March 23, 2023 10:25am
- riffer
  
  I don’t believe you can lay the blame for this squarely on this government, although they have done their fair share of contributing to the problem.
  
  It’s been well known forever that you don’t come to this country because of our internationally competitive pay rates.
  
  In these cost-of-living crisis times (which is not limited to NZ) you’d be an idiot to move to NZ if what you wanted was to get ahead in life.
  
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  March 23, 2023 10:42am
  - NothingLeft
    
    The govt has installed business punishing policies that have actively harmed the economic and export growth needed to raise wages to be competitive with Australia.
    
    Productivity growth and maintaining NZ as an attractive place to live (decent education, health, low crime, infrastructure, positive/inclusive race relations) is essential if NZ is to retain skilled workers, but Labour has failed, hard, at all of them.
    
    I, like many many others would be leaving the crumbling economic/social/political mess that labour has created in NZ if I could.
    
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    March 23, 2023 12:45pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Riffer: “In these cost-of-living crisis times (which is not limited to NZ) you’d be an idiot to move to NZ if what you wanted was to get ahead in life.”
    
    Dead right on that one. I think NZ is one of the more dire cases of decline though. There’s the horrendous overall cost of living then there’s the effing crime and hospitals situation. Yes, there are bubbles here and there where the 20% or so of NZers doing OK are obliviously humming along.
    
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    March 23, 2023 3:05pm
G152

It appears that David Talbot whos firm runs the latest poll works for liebor.
Who would have guessed
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March 23, 2023 8:59am
- rockape
  
  Google Talbot Mills research and you will see both Talbot and Mills are/ were Labour lackies.
  
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  March 23, 2023 10:31am
- riffer
  
  Political pollsters often have party affiliations. Nothing new there. It’s well-know DPF is affiliated with the National Party. When I first met him (we used to work together) he was a young Nat.
  
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  March 23, 2023 10:40am
oldpark

“Free speech” is alive and well in New Zealand .It is being well supported with full supporting programme. Leading the charge with far left rhetoric by NZs paid for so called Main Stream Media, putting the boot into anyone other than their thirst to shut down any opinion if it does not comply and agree that maybe there are two sides to any story.
Yes seems “Free Speech” is a great idea in New Zealand as long as it is said by lefties and NZs so called News Media .Others not on that crazy bandwagon seem to get verbally or physically crucified. Nuff Said .
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March 23, 2023 9:01am
- riffer
  
  Don’t totally agree with you but I can see where you are coming from.
  
  The pendulum has pretty much reached the end of its travel IMO on this matter.
  
  Kellie-Jean Keen being allowed into the country does send a signal that we cannot just cancel people because we don’t like what they say.
  
  Yes, there will be protests. Yes, there will be all sorts of bullshit comments and the media will report the most sensational ones.
  
  And the smartest of us will look on and think – WTF? Not my reality.
  
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  March 23, 2023 10:45am
  - riffer
    
    Kellie-Jay Keen – jesus, now I’m doing it too. It’s a tough one to remember.
    
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    March 23, 2023 10:47am
  - NothingLeft
    
    she’s Australian, no convictions, I thought they had visa-free travel and right of residence in NZ? What’s this ‘allowed’ shit?
    
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    March 23, 2023 12:46pm
    - Swifty
      
      She’s English.
      
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      March 23, 2023 1:34pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        I retract and withdraw
        
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        March 23, 2023 8:58pm
ClanMcleod

On GD a few days ago the subject of the UN Sustainable Development Goals (SDG) came up in discussion. Mike made a comment that I probably had no idea what they were, he was absolutely correct. (Possibly a first)

My position on them is based on a deep suspicion of anything that comes out of the UN or the WEF. Both unelected bodies with too much to say regarding the running of sovereign countries IMO.

Well Dr Robert Malone has done a deep dive into this topic and saved me a lot of time. It’s worse than I thought.

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/if-you-control-the-food-supply-you

“If you control the food supply, you control everything,”
The UN envisions a global command economy

I spent the afternoon reading the UN’s 2030 agenda, with its 17 goals and 169 targets. This is an agenda that the UN has been working towards building since 1992 –

Frankly, it was terrifying. My take away thought was that once you strip the unicrons and butterflies out of the text, this unilateral consensus document reads like an updated communist manifesto .

Pretty much what I thought it would be.

But let’s go back a step to the beginning of the United Nations (UN). After World War II, the UN was developed by a number of nations to end wars and maintain world peace. Slowly, over time, 193 nations have become members.

It has morphed into a leviathan organization; with tentacles that reach into all member nations. Its various agreements and goals have dictates regarding the economy, health, poverty, migration, “reproductive “ health, monetary systems, digital IDs, environmental controls, control of agricultural markets, universal living wage worldwide, governmental systems, etc.

The UN has partnerships and strategic agreements with member nations, 100s of non-governmental organizations -like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the World Bank, and the World Economic Forum. It has developed many offspring organizations, such as UNESCO and the World Health Organization.

Like many bureaucracies that start with a genuine purpose and good intentions, this one has become out of control.

As Malone says:

Now, many of the above are legitimate goals – BUT for a nation, not as a world governance.

The UN has overstepped.
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March 23, 2023 9:05am
- Spring Bank Westie
  
  Have you noticed that as soon as you add UN to the beginning of a statement it means the exact opposite.
  
  I read your post as unsustainable Development Goals.
  
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  March 23, 2023 1:25pm
Maggie Pie

NEVER LET THE TRUTH GET IN THE WAY OF A GOOD STORY

First time I’ve ever seen a ‘contxt-note’ added to a Tweet from a Member of Parliament

https://twitter.com/golrizghahraman/status/1638353735595470849
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March 23, 2023 9:10am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Manning was allowed into our country. For ease, we shouldn’t have allowed her in.
  
  The issue is that she is not only a criminal but she actually committed a crime against New Zealand. She should have been arrested and thrown in jail the second she arrived in our country.
  
  What she did to us wasn’t whistleblowing. She released thousands of sensitive New Zealand sourced documents, our secrets. There was no wrong doing on our part, there is no whistleblowing protection for her for her crimes against us. She is guilty of espionage against New Zealand and should have been held accountable for it.
  
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  March 23, 2023 9:55am
- krazykiwi
  
  It was the first time I’d seen a ‘context note’ too. I wonder if this is a ChatGPT bolt-on masquerading as highlighted thread commentary?
  
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  March 23, 2023 10:39am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  needed though, other than the fact Manning did in fact come here.
  
  Plus the visa issue was for having been convicted of illegal espionage, not for deciding to be a chick!
  
  Other than these trivial details, Golriz was completely correct….
  
  bwuhahaha!
  
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  March 23, 2023 11:50am
cas

I wonder how many cars Michael ” let’s all use public transport or walk or cycle” Wood has at his disposal. Chauffeur driven car in Auckland and Wellington, ministerial self drive in Auckland and maybe one in Wellington too, wife would have one, possibly has another one. Does he take a bus to the airport? Are his kids old enough to have a car?

I think we should be told.
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March 23, 2023 9:15am
Bobba Fret

A judge that actually hands down a prison sentence.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/rotorua-taupo-and-tauranga-violent-serial-shoplifter-addicted-to-methamphetamine-sent-to-prison/QQBLBNTDCVALDDBJUOISIRBHYE/
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March 23, 2023 9:36am
- Maggie Pie
  
  About time too! That guys wrap-sheet is absolutely appalling.
  
  Yet I see he STILL qualified for more discounts than you find in a Briscoe’s mailer 🙁
  
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  March 23, 2023 9:51am
- mandk
  
  Please – it’s “A judge who…”
  
  People are Who, animals and things are That.
  
  Mind you, there is probably a good case for describing the offender as That.
  
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  March 23, 2023 10:39am
Grumpy Silver Haired Female

Finding the hooks in recent legislation
I’ve been thinking.
We, ie our new government needs to be on top of the mess created by the current government before they take over so how’s this for an idea?
1. Gather all the legislation passed and in the pipeline from the last 5 and a bit years.
2. Gather a team of experienced lawyers, or law qualified people, – possibly retired, but preferably a generational cross section.
3. Give each of them 3 pieces of legislation and ensure that each piece of legislation is given to 3 different people.
4. Charge each member of the team with going through all the papers with a fine tooth comb looking for “Te Tiriti” assertions, co-governance clauses/assertions and everything else that goes against one-person-one-vote ideology.
5. Create a file of work needed to rewrite where needed and bring it to the house for approval.
We cannot allow anything to remain in legislation that denies the democratic right of everyone to have their say, ie vote across our country.
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March 23, 2023 9:40am
oldpark

A special date today . 23032023
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March 23, 2023 9:42am
Paulus

Education is Political Ideology !
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March 23, 2023 10:03am
ClanMcleod

Very heavy stats based post showing more evidence that the vaccines injure and weaken immune systems in alarming numbers, certainly more than enough to stop this experiment.

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/extraordinary-change-labor-data-reveals-shocking-drop-workplace-attendance-following-vax?utm_source=
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March 23, 2023 10:06am
I remember when

It hasn’t been a great month for Athletics NZ.
“Drug testing numbers questioned: Stuff.
The sport’s watchdog agency has issued a “please explain letter to Athletics NZ for their failure to meet International anti-doping testing standards.
NZ athletes at last year’s World Champs in Oregon were insufficiently tested in the lead-up to the event.
In emailed responses Athletics NZ confirmed the 20 strong team were not subjected to the rigourous level required.
They stated, “It is Drug Free Sport NZ’s responsibility to conduct tests in NZ.”
DFNZ advised that due to covid only about half as many tests occurred.”

Another another success for the government covid regulations.
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March 23, 2023 10:13am
Its only I

Snow on the mountain peaks today in Northern Southland.
Picked up a venison pie with plum sauce at a cafe in Mossburn and some muffins in Te Anau. Picked up some cyclists at Mavora Lakes after walking the dog, dropped the psycholists at Five Rivers and I’m now using the wifi at the m10 in Queenstown.

Beautiful country we have. I’m very lucky.

Helps to remind me the shyt in the beehive is temporary.
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March 23, 2023 10:16am
- Bob
  
  shyt in the beehive is temporary……
  maybe not as temporary as you and I would like; particularly if the majority of the Nation really is sleep walking to an economic disaster under the influence of the MSM.
  
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  March 23, 2023 11:41am
- NothingLeft
  
  But the consequences they’ve inflicted on NZ with enormous numbers of illiterates they are pumping out of education system, and crumbling health sector, and crumbling inadequate infrastructure and inflated civil service and shrinking productive economy are all likely to combine to fast push NZ into third world status. The takers are near to outvoting the makers and that is not something you can ever turn around in a democracy – See Venezuela for results
  
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  March 23, 2023 12:52pm
  - Its only I
    
    I know what you mean N L but sometimes its good to stop for a second, look at the lakes and mountains, breath it in and and forget Labour are choking the life out of its supporter base.
    
    Always remember, no matter how hard Labour may make your life, Labours supporters under a Labour Gov are doing it way, way harder. The sad thing is their shyt voting decisions are just as damaging as their shyt life decisions and they don’t understand the effects of either..
    
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    March 23, 2023 4:51pm
- Jack5
  
  What’s this? …dropped the psycholists at Five Rivers …
  
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  March 23, 2023 1:04pm
  - Its only I
    
    Well, if the clip-on fits..lol
    
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    March 23, 2023 4:35pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTINENT QUESTION

Is Shane te Pou transgender?

https://twitter.com/PouTepou/status/1638430295337869315

Asking for one of the girls from tennis.
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March 23, 2023 10:24am
- Matt Long
  
  He certainly seems concerned about violence with the rainbow fist. Almost as if he is trying to incite violence against woman.
  Or is it another Auckland Council exotic sex event that I haven’t heard about?
  
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  March 23, 2023 10:38am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Hmmm. You could be on to something there Matty.
    
    Looks to be the same image used to promote ‘Kiwifist 2018’
    
    Billed then as…. Auckland’s biggest ‘arse-play’ event.
    
    https://2018.aucklandpride.org.nz/events/kiwifist-2018/
    
    Wonder if they’re related?
    
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    March 23, 2023 11:07am
mandk

I heard Erica Stanford being interviewed by Mike Hosking earlier, and what a refreshing change it was from listening to all those Labour Ministers just blethering and refusing to answer the questions.

She was positive, direct and not once did she say “It’s a complex issue Mike.”

Can’t wait for her next match-up with Jan Tinetti at Question Time.

Likewise Mark Mitchell vs Ginny Anderson.
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March 23, 2023 10:35am
Swifty

On Twitter Clint Smith openly calls Kellie-Jay Keen a fascist and then links her, and National, to ‘gas chambers’ and ‘60 million dead’.

FFS.

Is there no end to this lunacy? How much more demented can they get? How will we turn this around?

I could say that the government should issue some very stern statements condemning this sort of abuse, labelling and derangement – bit of course they’re knee-deep in it too!

The not only support this behaviour, they’re doing it too! They’re leading the charge!

I just don’t know anymore.
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March 23, 2023 10:35am
- Libertarians are right
  
  They have done all they can to make the stupid scumbag white supremacists (all 43 of them) think they should show up on the weekend thinking they have an ally and will get coverage.
  
  Such an obvious set up. Preying on the stupidity of a few bigots to tarnish someone with legitimate arguments to make.
  
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  March 23, 2023 11:08am
- Gravelroad
  
  @Swifty-
  Clint Smith has the full support of the Labour led government.
  He can say what he likes with no fear of reprisals. There will be no statements condemning this abuse.
  The Labour government is openly governing for minorities. The rest of us can like it or lump it.
  That is the only type of leadership at which they excel.
  
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  March 23, 2023 11:23am
- NothingLeft
  
  Clint is paid for by your tax dollars (Labour propagandist – they funnel taxpayer money to him somehow).
  
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  March 23, 2023 12:54pm
I remember when

New Plymouth District Council: Inflation Woes.
NPDC is proposing a 12.5% rates increase.
“We are exposed to interest costs but our correlation to CPI pretty much ends there because we largely operate in the construction space which is tracking at more than double CPI’s 7+ per cent.”
Roading costs increased 18% last year.
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March 23, 2023 10:36am
- Bridgenag
  
  Someone at bowls said 16 year olds can now vote at council elections…..Is that true?
  
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  March 23, 2023 12:55pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Not yet.
    
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    March 23, 2023 3:20pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/book-sales-boom-activists-start-petitions-on-line-to-shut-down-the-co-governnace-tour-they-call-on-meng-foon-and-the-attorney-general-for-help/

Activists start Petition to stop free speech.

This shows the Petition. Trying to get Julian Batchelor and Stop Co-Governance silenced. That is blocking free speech right? These people need to listen first, and then make up their minds. They have been brainwashed by the leftist NZ media.

https://www.change.org/p/the-stop-co-govenance-tour-is-in-breach-of-nzbora-and-human-rights-act

NZBORA. Freedom of peaceful assembly. This has been interrupted by protestors at every meeting so far.
https://legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1990/0109/latest/DLM224792.html

Stop Co-Governance Petition to keep free speech going.

https://www.change.org/p/support-julian-batchelor-s-right-to-free-speech-and-to-hold-public-meetings

I have signed. If we don’t support free speech we will lose it. Only the Elite Maori Tyranny will have free speech.
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March 23, 2023 10:59am
surfing

Why has it taken 20+ years for a political party to figure out that schools should focus on teaching core subjects of english, science, and maths in primary / intermediate?

Good grief! Good on national for finally figuring it out, but what the hell is wrong with politicians?
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March 23, 2023 11:11am
- rockape
  
  They are going to have a hard time taking on the very socialist Min of Ed .
  
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  March 23, 2023 12:55pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What is wrong with Marxist Teachers? There is the answer.
  
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  March 23, 2023 5:40pm
Jack5

NZ property sales at the their lowest for 40 years, says property data firm Core Logic NZ.

https://www.corelogic.co.nz/news-research/news/2023/house-sales-hit-40-year-low-amid-cost-of-living-crunch
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March 23, 2023 11:31am
Nickc2

At last! Dutch Farmers have won the election and are in the throws of changing Green’s Legislation.
Well done! Will other countries follow suit?
IMO, it’s NZ’s time to step up eh?
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/03/22/great-reset-setback-govt-party-demands-adjustments-to-green-agenda-after-farmers-win-dutch-election/
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March 23, 2023 11:31am
- Matt Long
  
  An election, not The election unfortunately. The Dutch have an upper house where the farmers have been successful.
  
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  March 23, 2023 3:23pm
Swifty

Among many false promises Jacinda Ardern and the NZ Labour Party made to win electoral support was to ‘solve’ child poverty in New Zealand.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131580377/governments-child-poverty-reduction-plan-stalls

Well, just so we’re clear, Jacinda Ardern didn’t solve a bloody thing. Child poverty is just as bad as it ever was and most likely worse than in 2017.

And, again to be clear, raising benefit rates doesn’t ‘solve’ a bloody thing, it merely papers over the cracks and kicks the cam down the road for a subsequent government.

‘Solving’ child poverty means getting more families self-sustaining and free of reliance on the state. By this measure Ardern and Labour have spectacularly failed with total beneficiary numbers significantly more than in 2017.

Thanks a lot Labour voters – this is on you.

YOU are responsible for this. Ardern and Labour have taken you for suckers.
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March 23, 2023 11:39am
- mandk
  
  You are correct about Ardern failing on the issue of poverty, and the futility of increasing benefit rates.
  
  This is what Grant Robertson said in his Budget 2021 speech:
  “Today, we are announcing the biggest increases in main benefit rates in more than a generation. By April next year we will have moved all main benefit rates to the level recommended by WEAG and in the cases of families and whānau with children, beyond those rates.”
  
  A generational increase in spending for no impact.
  
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  March 23, 2023 1:01pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    mandk – unfortunately the generational increase in spending will have an impact – it will encourage inter generational dependency!
    
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    March 23, 2023 8:04pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump not arrested. Media quiet.
Here is an idiot, but some parts funny. Kimmel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=994SygqEovU&t=1s
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March 23, 2023 11:40am
- MCōs
  
  What hasn’t he done that means he hasn’t been arrested?
  Why should this be news in NZ?
  
  Lock him up!
  Lock him up!
  
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  March 23, 2023 12:15pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    He has far more important charges against him than brushing away a porno gold digger.
    
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    March 23, 2023 12:29pm
Surely Knott

The government (MSD) has spent $6.4 million on a campaign called “LOVE BETTER”, on helping youth to deal with breakups partnering with youthline says the Herald.

But what they conveniently leave out is the primary partnership and content is with VICE an edgy progressive magazine focused on sex, kink, drugs, festivals, politics etc, based in Australia with a lot of NZ specific content.

According to Spinoff , who seem miffed that Australia got the contract, ” Vice is seeking two full-time roles for 12 months, and MSD pointed to a budget allocation of $1.8m a year relating in part to “a new campaign focused on safe relationships for young people”.

So who was hired for these two full time roles, what were the roles, and what did they publish, and when did their roles begin. And how much is VICE paid by NZ govt.

Well there is a section on VICE Specifically called “LOVE BETTER” with 12 articles all written by Rachel Barker who “is a Writer / Producer for Vice NZ in Aotearoa”
and these are tagged as MSD articles.

So is she one of the full time staff paid with govt funds? Because a week before her first Love Better article and filed under the New Zealand section, is her article in Vice “A glossary of Sex Worker Terminology” which includes anal play and golden shower. And a week earlier is her article “How to take a good Dick Pic”

And that’s only one writer. There were two positions advertised according to Spinoff? Who else is a govt paid Vice full time contractor in the lead up to the election.

There are heaps of political NZ articles on the site from colonisation, Articles on Ardern, and cow farts and farmers, decriminalisation of drugs etc, female NZ mps, Green party mp’s profiled etc, queer youth etc.

When govt funds media you wonder how much of the other content on their page is supported by that funding. I imagine there is a large amount of young NZers involved in the party and queer music scene in Australia that Labour will be wanting to stay in touch with pre – election.

https://www.vice.com/en/topic/new-zealand
https://www.vice.com/en/topic/love-better
https://www.vice.com/en/topic/zealandia
https://thespinoff.co.nz/media/09-08-2022/government-picks-vice-nz-which-shut-in-2019-to-make-new-ads-about-break-ups
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March 23, 2023 11:45am
- Gravelroad
  
  Waste of taxpayers money but a nice, well paid gig for the “writers” who will be laughing their heads off at how easy it is to con money out of the government to produce porn.
  
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  March 23, 2023 1:32pm
Maggie Pie

WHAT CAN WE READ INTO THIS…..

‘The Horrid’ has banned one of its own reporters from commenting on the Posey Parker debacle. Maybe they’re in receipt of another government advance?

https://twitter.com/Ramptonjay1/status/1638633367355928597
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March 23, 2023 11:50am
- MCōs
  
  John Drinnan doesn’t work for the Herald
  “I was media writer for eight years before I was made redundant.”
  
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  March 23, 2023 12:07pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Banned. Maybe he is a Posie Parker supporter?
  The ‘horrid’ eating their own – great.
  
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  March 23, 2023 12:36pm
Gravelroad

Who is Shane Te Pou and why would he be seemingly inciting violence by posting on Twitter an image of a coloured Black Power symbol (clenched fist) along with the words: “See You Saturday”?
Is he crusading that violence against women is ok?
Geez, if I had anything to do with the leadership of the Labour Party, I would be distancing myself very smartly from the thuggish Mr Te Pou and his associates.
This is not a good look for any political party to have louts like him and Clint Smith as their supporters openly campaigning against ordinary women.
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March 23, 2023 12:27pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  I believe he’s a former Senior Labour official and Food Workers Union official who used his Union Credit card to pay for hookers over a significant period of time.
  
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  March 23, 2023 1:37pm
  - Swifty
    
    And he is feted and platformed by the left – but Aaron Gilmore and others are hounded like dogs and always prefaced with ‘disgraced’ in any reportage.
    
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    March 23, 2023 1:59pm
lifesgood

I have just watched Chris Luxon’s live stream. He was fantastic and spoke extremely well about National policies which can only be good news for all New Zealanders. He mainly concentrated on education, which, as we know, is currently in dire straits. Of course his speech will never be reported, or if at all only negatively, by the MSM. All the so called Nat supporters who constantly whinge about Luxon on here must watch it. It might change their tune.
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March 23, 2023 12:35pm
- Matt Long
  
  If you want people to watch, provide a link.
  
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  March 23, 2023 3:27pm
- Taieri
  
  Of course his speech will never be reported
  ——————
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/national-plans-shake-schools
  
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  March 23, 2023 3:59pm
Maggie Pie

Found this a bit interesting…..

One of the girls from tennis retweets. Her daughter is studying Law down at VUW. Prue asked me what I thort and whether she should be concerned?

https://twitter.com/Publicwrongs/status/1638455318094176258
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March 23, 2023 12:44pm
Ghost

Article has the pricks photo

An Auckland school is “gutted, angry and disappointed” after $1500 raised to help reduce the burden of school camp fees on families was stolen.

Beach Haven Primary School on the North Shore held a community colour fun run and barbecue on Wednesday evening.

The money raised by the event would be put towards ensuring all the school’s 75 year 6 students could attend Camp Bentzon on Kawau Island in June, deputy principal Anoushka Dallow said.

Article
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March 23, 2023 1:41pm
Swifty

Poverty? Inequality?

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300837642/auckland-primary-robbed-of-1500-raised-for-school-camp-hours-after-fun-run

Or just a vile, callous disregard for the rights, lives and property of other New Zealanders, in this case children.
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March 23, 2023 1:57pm
NZer In Exile

Diversity Training Disaster:

https://townhall.com/columnists/johnstossel/2023/03/22/diversity-training-disaster-n2620963

Ring any bells?
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March 23, 2023 2:06pm
Maggie Pie

Found this extremely distressing….but regrettably, this type of behaviour is taking place in schools every day.
Here a group of Aboriginal girls hold a White girl hostage…. and post a vid online of her being beaten and tortured.
They unwittingly post their confession as well.

Arrests have been made and a GoFundMe account set up for the 14 year old girl subjected to the violence.

VIEWER DISCRETION ADVISED 🙁

[Mod – I’m going to remove this link but leave your post, instead linking to the article and the go fund me page as the Australian police are asking people to stop sharing this video out of respect for the victim]

Three girls charged after alleged assault on girl over several hours at Sunshine Coast house

Go fund me
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March 23, 2023 2:08pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Thank you mods. It was sooo evil.
  
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  March 23, 2023 2:49pm
- Widogast Corwin
  
  How stupid would you need to be to video yourself kidnapping and torturing someone and then post it online, with your face clearly visible?
  
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  March 23, 2023 2:50pm
  - Ghost
    
    At least they did, now they have no way of denying it.
    
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    March 23, 2023 2:53pm
  - cmm
    
    Stupid? No, they were proud of what they were doing and feel they are above the law.
    
    Just look at what is happening in Alice Springs. It even makes Darwin look civilised.
    
    Give it 5 years and that could be Hamilton,
    
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    March 23, 2023 4:12pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Identity politics encouraging and enabling this sort of shit is the root of the problem. We are seeing it paying it’s dividend to society again and again and again.
  
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  March 23, 2023 4:20pm
Widogast Corwin

Just watching Kellie Jay Keen in Canberra. Big police presence keeping the protestors at a distance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jdc2XfJLns
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March 23, 2023 2:18pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Thx for posting. First time I’ve seen Posie live 😀
  
  She is rather lovely….probably just needs to lose a few kilos that’s all.
  
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  March 23, 2023 2:39pm
- Widogast Corwin
  
  I spoke too soon 🙂
  
  “Former Greens senator turned independent ‘black sovereignty’ movement senator Thorpe attempted to storm the stage where Keen-Minshull was speaking before she was intercepted by police and forced to the ground. ”
  
  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11892755/Lidia-Thorpe-tries-storm-stage-Kellie-Jay-Keen-aka-Posie-Parker-speaking-Canberra.html
  
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  March 23, 2023 2:44pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  FAB sunnies she’s wearing!
  I’ve just taken a screen shot and sent it to OPSM to see if they have that exact frame available 😎
  
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  March 23, 2023 2:58pm
  - MCōs
    
    No need for all that
    My granddaughters have similar sunglasses they don’t like anymore
    
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    March 23, 2023 4:40pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      HEY…that’s very generous of you Cossie!
      Happy to buy them off the girls of course.
      Perhaps you can DM me thru DPF and he can put us in touch?
      
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      March 23, 2023 4:58pm
  - mogg
    
    She takes her inspiration from Cindy Lauper.
    
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    March 23, 2023 4:51pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Have you watched ‘BLONDE’ on Netflik moggie?
      
      She’s an absolute ringtail for Marilyn 😎
      
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      March 23, 2023 5:06pm
Libertarians are right

Golriz actually makes sense (unintentionally) in her latest Stuff article:

“As with every right, we must ask: how does this fit in with other rights and interests? If someone is unable to live their life in peace and security because of relentless harassment, are we doing enough to protect their freedoms”

“Let’s remember that almost all rights are balanced against other rights.”

“As a human rights lawyer and lawmaker, the starting point for me is the framework that says all rights are universal and inseparable.”

“That means our rights are there to protect us all, without discrimination, and that every right – civil, political, economic, social, and cultural rights – must be fulfilled.

Inevitably, this means balancing rights against each other.”

She’s talking about Free Speech Rights but it’s the exact same argument that the Women’s Rights Activists are arguing.

Trans rights must be taken in context of women’s rights and do not supersede them. She’s explained that perfectly well in her article (again, accidentally). To balance these rights, a reasonable conversation must be had. Her attempts at blocking this conversation, again in the context of her own words, is hate speech.
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March 23, 2023 3:25pm
- Swifty
  
  Cognitive dissonance.
  
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  March 23, 2023 3:50pm
Ehlana

From Twitter: “the exercise of state power should occur within the law, but when that law grants close to maximum discretion to cancel a person’s visa, and that person risks confronting the government party’s vision of a just society, perhaps the minister should use the available discretion”

The man who thinks this is one Morgan Godfrey, Senior lecturer at VUW Faculty of Law. Te ao Māori editor at @MetroMagNZ. Columnist at @stuff_nz and @guardian. Te Pahipoto (Ngāti Awa), Sāmoa.

Is a senior lecturer in law really suggesting that disagreeing with the government of the day is sufficient reason for someone to be denied entry to New Zealand?
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March 23, 2023 3:44pm
- Swifty
  
  Just imagine where we’re going to be in 20 or 30 years……
  
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  March 23, 2023 3:49pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Of course Godfrey is. He’s loony Left writ large. God help his students.
  
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  March 23, 2023 3:55pm
  - septic skeptic
    
    If his students had any brains they would be out in the workforce or starting up a business, not wasting time gaining a tertiary qualification in bullshitting.
    
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    March 23, 2023 4:07pm
Swifty

I see nothing whatsoever stopping Auckland councillors making and maintaining relationships with councillors from other regions, without having it all organised by LGNZ and at considerable cost.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/getting-pissed-all-night-auckland-mayor-wayne-brown-denounces-behaviour-as-reason-for-council-quitting-local-government-nz/WQ4HJ2EEGFALTMQLYTAZKJDUEM/

Nothing.

Except a lack of initiative and effort on their part.
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March 23, 2023 3:47pm
Alan Wilkinson

Interesting paywalled column by Harriet Sargeant in the UK Spectator detailing the huge number of school dropouts and mental health problems caused by Covid lockdowns and school closures there. Predicting many of the many tens of thousands of affected children who have lost their education are heading into gangs and prison.

Probably this is a strong contributor to our own crime wave and ram raids. The politicians and their public health advisors who discounted this risk and cost should be held to account.
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March 23, 2023 4:02pm
cmm

Poor bloke has been prepped for surgery and had it cancelled 5 times over 8 days.

This is not newsworthy it is just business as usual (and getting worse).

In 2020 I was in hospital for 5 days waiting for a cardioversion (a defibrillation shock to get the heart timing right again). I was bounced 3 times over 5 days.

What I do fund outrageous is that there are 200 communications staff. WTF are they all doing?

Rather than hire 100 people to make the hospitals work better (ie. orderlies etc), they hire 200 people making press releases and posters telling you what an awesome job they are doing.

“Communications” people are pretty much the advertising department. If you’re doing a good enough job then you don’t need one.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/131565608/surgery-for-broken-leg-cancelled-at-last-minute-five-times-in-eight-days
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March 23, 2023 4:08pm
- kowtow
  
  ‘What I do fund outrageous is that there are 200 communications staff. WTF are they all doing?’
  
  Communications staff’s job is to prevent communications of news , other than their PR fluff pieces, out of the news.
  
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  March 23, 2023 5:43pm
Maggie Pie

Mayor Brown votes to leave Local Gov.NZ

Saves the city $650k. Says the members sit round most days “drinking piss”. LOL!!

The-Minister-for-Auckland’s missus don’t sound none to pleased …..

https://twitter.com/juliefairey/status/1638724065153421313
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March 23, 2023 4:42pm
- Inthe09
  
  Good job too. Thats 185 average Auckland annual households rates bills saved that can hopefully be put to better use.
  
  He knows who the largest bloc of voters who can actually be bothered to vote are, and that this won’t bother them one bit.
  
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  March 23, 2023 5:04pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Not sure how you arrive at that figure?
    On my calculator it’s only 34 households.
    
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    March 23, 2023 5:14pm
    - Inthe09
      
      Average – not Remuera 🙂
      
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      March 23, 2023 5:17pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Not just saving the money but stoppimg it being used to produce the crap that LGNZ continually belches out. Ratepayers shouldn’t fund a lobby group for bureaucrats.
  
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  March 23, 2023 6:38pm
Ehlana

From the “How to Give Your Opponent Publicity” playbook, we have, inevitably, “Gender Minorities Aotearoa, InsideOUT Kōaro, and Auckland Pride [filing] for a judicial review in the High Court” against the Minister of Immigration for not stopping Posie Parker from entering the country.

If they and their supporters ignored her, or learned the art of peaceful protest, what threat would she pose to civic order?
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March 23, 2023 5:41pm
- alex Masterley
  
  In the article I read the people filing the judicial review, were saying the costs of the judicial review of the decsion would be “minimal”.
  These people live on the same planet Rawrir Waitiri does.
  A judicial review of any sort costs heaps. I would think about $20k would be a good starting figure.
  And by the time the courts get around to dealing with the matter even on an urgency basis Ms Parker will have said her piece and left.
  
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  March 23, 2023 5:53pm
  - Ehlana
    
    They’re onto that bit alex – they want her visa put on hold until the hearing is done.
    Of course, since she is on a speaking tour, she will have left this part of the world by then and may not be able to return.
    If they get their hold, I hope they have to put up the cash to fund her visit if they subsequently lose the case.
    
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    March 23, 2023 6:31pm
    - alex Masterley
      
      Good luck to them. No amount of shrieking can cover up a rubbish case.
      
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      March 23, 2023 6:51pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

https://valiantnews.com/2023/03/trump-defiant-i-will-dismantle-the-deep-state-with-10-point-plan/?
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March 23, 2023 6:45pm
NothingLeft

Interesting take on general pattern of female social behaviours:

How does a woman compete while minimizing the risk of retaliation? I suggest that women use a few simple strategies. Strategy 1 is that a woman does not ever let anyone else know that she is competing with them. … She preaches the mantra of equality for all, and sincerely believes it. …Unaware of her own competitive instincts, she tries to get as much as she can for herself, while insisting that everyone else share equally. If strategy 1 is not working out well enough, then a woman may switch to strategy 2, which requires employing social exclusion. She must ally with other females to run their target out of town. That way, they retain more resources, status, allies, babysitters, and high-quality mates for themselves. The virtue of social exclusion is that it allows overt competition but reduces the risk of retalitation because the target is outnumbered. Should strategy 2 fail, the final fallback is strategy 3, which is reserved for emergencies. It entails a direct hit on a competitor, a physical or verbal assault. If a woman must use strategy 3, she has failed. She is no longer nice; she is mean. … She will be abandoned by former allies. Not only that, but she risks retaliation from her target. …

Social exclusion is primarily a female strategy. … Girls practice it from early childhood. It has been used by females across diverse cultures in middle childhood and adolescence and adulthood … An experimenter brought two 6-year-olds, either girls or boys, to a room … One week later, the same two children returned to the room and … a third child of the same sex was brought to the room after the pair had been playing for a while. … pairs of girls were more likely than pairs of boys to exclude the newcomer. … Girls took more than three times as long as boys to speak to the newcomer. … In 4 of the 15 girls’ groups, the girls never spoke a single word to the newcomer. …

https://www.overcomingbias.com/p/women-as-worriers-who-exclude
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March 23, 2023 6:58pm
- NothingLeft
  
  If this thesis is right then the destructive nastiness of Cancel Culture and general woke toxicity is just an extension of these evolutionarily programmed female behaviours.
  
  It would be great to teach adolescents the likely evolutionary origins of a lot of their vindictive, anti-social and tribalistic behaviours that clearly aren’t needed in our world of plenty, if we knew ourselves better in this regard we would be better armed to identify and reduce the toxic behaviours in ourselves and others.
  
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  March 23, 2023 7:15pm
- Swifty
  
  Toxic femininity?
  
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  March 23, 2023 7:33pm
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    Maybe. It’s to be expected that human psychology that evolved to deal with desperately competitive pre-industrial and even pre historic circumstances leads to unnecessary nasty mal-adapted anti-behaviours in a post-tribal time of plenty. For both men and women
    
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    March 23, 2023 9:13pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  My Partner just read that. Now she is looking at me funny.
  
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  March 24, 2023 9:27am
Swifty

We hear a lot these days about Maori values.

How these values are determined, by whom, what qualifies as a Maori value and importantly how values are deemed to be not Maori values we are never, ever told.

It is a mystery.

The list of Maori values just seems to be one maintained by tribal elites or Maori academics which are to cast Maori in the best possible light, be superior to ‘Western values’ and which are in stark opposition to the activities and practices of some or many Maori we see with our own eyes daily.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/486584/facebook-raffle-brings-down-crayfish-poaching-ring

I’m constantly seeing Maori names associated with fishery poaching and abuse.

How many of these cases do we need to see before, if we are being honest, we have to write down on our Maori values list ‘fishery abuse’ as a Maori value?

Or, are we in a situation where it wouldn’t matter if there were half a million Maori done for poaching annually – ‘fishery abuse’ would never make it on to the Maori values list – even though the evidence would be abundantly clear that Maori value poaching greatly?

Again, please don’t get me wrong, I am not trying to bash Maori – I literally know tens of Maori who I know would be appalled at the actions of those named in the article.

I’m bashing those academic bullshit artists and tribal elites who openly lie to us about Te Ao Maori and Maori wonderfulness. This crap about Maori values as though every Maori holds the same values and no Maori departs from them, or holds a different value set.

Pre-contact Maori hunted more species to extinction that have become extinct since contact – yet the academics and elites still lecture us like they are holier than thou.

I think they whole thing is bullshit. Pre-contact Maori did what they had to do to survive. They probably made no more or no less numbers of fuckups that any other people would have made in the same position.

It is only now, with the luxury of choices and resources made through Western settlement, that they can now come over all superior and holy with this ‘values’ deceit, which any cursory evaluation would prove to be a falsehood and rewriting of history.

I urge New Zealanders not to fall for it and see it for the revisionist bullshit that it is.
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  A little cheekily I would add that while many Maori I know would abhor the actual poaching, if I’m honest, I think few would turn down an offer of a few cheap fresh crays.
  
  Just like Pakeha.
  
  No better or no worse.
  
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  March 23, 2023 7:31pm
Widogast Corwin

I heard Chris Luxon on the radio saying that he did not expect any of his MPs would attend a Kellie Jay Keen event on the weekend. He said he disagreed with all of her views.

I would like to see him asked “What are her views?”. I bet he has never heard her speak.

This is what we have become. We get labelled ‘transphobe’ or ‘extreme right wing’.

I read someone in Australia label her a ‘homophobe’. So how come there are lesbian supporters at all of her events?
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