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Nickc2

Good to see the new Minister of Police is a clone of those previous. “Everything is C O M P L E X ……….” she kept repeating on Mike Hosking’s Show this morning. //
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March 22, 2023 8:10am
- Bob
  
  Probably the longest word that she knows. Regular use makes her sound educated and capable!
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:46am
  - hullkiwi
    
    No, it makes her look foolish, that she either does not understand the subject matter of the question, or she doesn’t have the intellect to explain matters in language her audience is able to understand.
    
    Her former boss, Jaspinda, was also often heard explaining matters using phrases like “this is a complex matter to explain”.
    
    Does this suggest Ginny hprobably has the same mental capacity as Jaspinda?
    
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    March 22, 2023 11:48am
    - Nickc2
      
      Be warned, she’s extremely woke.
      She believes wrapping these little scrotes in cotton wool and all-around love will prevent them drifting further into crime.
      I wish someone from Te MSM would have the guts to ask her what she achieved while working for the Police that was noteworthy.
      She struck me as being one of those bimbos that were always a candidate for long lunches and Friday night pissups.
      I wrote on KB the other day that she was nothing but Window Dressing for Hipkins when he was on TV and Nanaia Mahuta was unavailable. Well, blow me down, Mahuta’s in China and sure enough, there was Ginny on TV (the Govt Propaganda Channel) yesterday or Monday with Hipkins and she was acting like a ‘Noddy Dog’ at his shoulder.
      
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      March 22, 2023 12:40pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        I same her last night discussing the statistics on youth offending. Her comments confirm your view she is very woke, and believes “wrap around services” are the way forward. That level of approach explains why only 40 youth offenders were prosecuted last year versus over 5,000 in 2008 (the highpoint). Since then, it has all been downhill.
        
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        March 22, 2023 1:17pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        believes ~~“wrap~~ reach around services” are the way forward
        
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        March 22, 2023 2:39pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        The Singapore style rattan cane is probably the most effective “wrap around” service.
        
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        March 22, 2023 2:58pm
  - Paulus
    
    Understand that the new Police Minister’s husband is a Police Dog handler so at least the dog will understand her answers.
    
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    March 22, 2023 1:34pm
- mogg
  
  With only ‘long term solutions and wrap around services.’
  
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  March 22, 2023 10:07am
  - Phronesis
    
    That’s an accurate description of prison. Or even mummification….
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:36am
- Ruawai
  
  Having a bad upbringing doesn’t excuse you from facing consequences under law. Seems the police are arresting them but the courts are letting them go. What a waste of police time.
  
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  March 22, 2023 11:09am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I wonder if she thinks modelling what the temperature will be in 2100 is complex.
  
  I think I heard Luxon say on the news last night that National would not tax farmers for methane. Did anyone else here that?
  
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  March 22, 2023 2:16pm
Lee C

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Fancy a strawpoll?

Who here on KB would consider a National/Green pact a positive thing going into the election?

up-tick = yeah
down-tick = nah
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March 22, 2023 8:10am
- Simon
  
  Very positive for ACT.
  
  When are National / Labo merging.
  
  New political party Natbo or Labonal. Natlab. LabNat.
  
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  March 22, 2023 8:16am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Cannabis Chloe has not voted yet.
  
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  March 22, 2023 8:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Looks like she woke up. 1 uptick.
    
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    March 22, 2023 9:00am
- Im Right
  
  Lee, Question: when have the Greens been ‘environmental’ in their policy/press releases?
  Answer: 6mths out from an election…
  Why would National even consider it….madness!
  2 and a half years of virtue signalling and man hating is what we can expect from the Green party election after election.
  
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  March 22, 2023 8:17am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    you forgot Marxism, the Great Leap Backwards, and the end of farming.
    
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    March 22, 2023 6:18pm
- Matt Long
  
  Well, it would be great for ACT, NZF,, Matt King and New Conservative
  
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  March 22, 2023 8:18am
- alloytoo
  
  No way.
  
  It’s my humble opinion that the Greens do not answer to the NZ voters, but to Greenpeace HQ in Amsterdam.
  
  Their policies appear designed to make NZ poorer and create a serf class, forever beholden to the state in perpetual poverty (as well as energy poverty)
  
  This ignores the simple truth that wealthy countries can afford better environmental policies.
  
  And as for climate change it’s time to move beyond the smoke and mirrors of so called mitigation policies based on Voodoo Carbon accounting and concentrate on making us more resilient and better able to adapt to the coming Ice Age.
  
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  March 22, 2023 8:20am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    Let’s hope National and Act shed some light on who received the billions we paid in climate change tax and why the result is steadily increasing CO2 emissions.
    
    Anthropogenic climate emergency is a lie which Is propogated to enrich a few at our expense.
    
    We need to know who and how much.
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:32am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Anthropogenic climate emergency is a western world comedy show which China is loving hugely. Keep going and you will be enslaved by their regime.
      
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      March 22, 2023 3:01pm
- rouppe
  
  It’s just not possible with the extent of the Greens policies that have nothing to do with the environment
  
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  March 22, 2023 8:22am
- krazykiwi
  
  I’ve given up on hoping for ‘positive things’ resulting from an election, and resigned myself to accept that there is only opportunity for something fractionally less ghastly than we have today.
  
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  March 22, 2023 8:22am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Minus the greens
    
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    March 22, 2023 8:41am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    When you stand back and look at the whole situation it is one hell of a mess, basically created by one person.
    It is just a pity that more voters did not see that repugnant “comrade” speech back in 2009. I did, and I knew then if she ever gained power there would be trouble.
    What to do now? I don’t know. There are now so many who have fallen love with socialism/communism – and they have a beef with rich pricks who have a few assets.
    
    Any lefties will find it hard to understand that we WORKED for those assets. They can’t grasp that the welfare they depend on comes from our Net Tax.
    
    Rant over.
    
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    March 22, 2023 8:44am
    - Nickc2
      
      If it wasn’t for people paying their taxes, there’d be nothing to give to bludgers unless you’re like this Govt and borrow/print money only to give it away.
      
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      March 22, 2023 8:53am
      - krazykiwi
        
        If the government can print and give away money, why does it need to collect tax?
        
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        March 22, 2023 10:21am
    - krazykiwi
      
      I’m no Ardern fan, but I suggest it’s unfair to lay the blame for the totality of the mess at her feet. She was a symptom of a deeper problem, that being the ascendancy of a single ruling class that has organised itself into teams to give the increasingly vacuous, disengaged but dependent hoi polloi triennial comfort that democracy is still working. And it’s not working for any group other than the ruling class and its sycophants.
      
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      March 22, 2023 9:18am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Without her the mess we are in would not be this bad. Imho.
        
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        March 22, 2023 9:33am
      - Drone
        
        The issue @Steve and @KK is that politics as we know it today no longer serves the function it did 100 years ago when politicians were working in a green field world, when there were many issues that need to be addressed that would materially benefit the people in the country. Todays politicians are working in a brown field world. Most of the “significant” legislation has be written and enacted. The issues facing the population are far more complicated than those facing our predecessors and the political systems we have inherited from the past are no longer relevant. The people have disengaged and only people with extremist views participate actively. Parliaments tinker endlessly with banal changes to laws and acts, some do it well some do it badly but for the politicians involved their lives continue blissfully. They maintain the ancient working practices, the odd hours and three day week of their predecessors and are largely immune from the disasters they are responsible for. There must be a better system..
        
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        March 22, 2023 9:39am
      - NothingLeft
        
        It’s all about the incentives – as with every human system. Politicians are rewarded for the noises they make -swaying moronic voters- rather than the measurable improvements they achieve.
        
        This could be circumvented by paying all MPs huge bonuses based on improvements in countries performance over decade following their time in office. Increased life spans, wealth, health, education, freedoms, better infrastructure, higher GDP, less debt, more exports etc all resulting in higher bonuses, backwards shifts on any metric seeing bonuses reduced.
        
        This would also incentivize all MPs to help improve the country as much as possible, rather than just sniping at competitors.
        
        Could be done by private enterprise collecting donations and distributing them. A few 10’s of millions a year distributed ( a few dollars per kiwi) would be very cheap at the price.
        
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        March 22, 2023 3:05pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        “This could be circumvented by paying all MPs huge bonuses based on improvements in countries performance over decade following their time in office.”
        
        Yes. I’d tie their superannuation accrual/entitlement to independently accessed economic indicators 10+ years out.
        
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        March 22, 2023 3:13pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Yep Steve, it’s a race to the bottom for the current Labour Party. If they bring in a tax on “wealth” as many of the leftists have been promoting of late, I’ll either have to increase retainer to my tax guru, or bugger off to Aus. Least it would be warm!
      
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      March 22, 2023 9:38am
    - Bob
      
      can’t grasp that the welfare they depend on……
      they will once their beloved masters have wasted away all the wealth of the motivated; who incidentally, provide employment for the ‘troughers’ and unmotivated semi-literates who are allowed to vote!
      
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      March 22, 2023 9:50am
    - gravedodger
      
      Nope Steve there were a great number who instituted it, supported it and shared in its implementation, one of those main players is now the “New Deal Prime Minister” being fawned over as the great reset.
      Yes that Woman was a prime enabler but the focus must now turn to the rest who are hunkering down getting prepared to continue their destruction.
      
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      March 22, 2023 10:14am
  - Its only I
    
    Apparently the best is yet to come from the opposition…powder dry and all that.
    
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    March 22, 2023 8:56am
- bco90
  
  Imagine what National would have to give up to the Greens in order to get any of their agenda through…
  
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  March 22, 2023 8:28am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Well yesterday they say it will not be happening
    
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    March 22, 2023 9:40am
    - leoj
      
      Yet Luxon sees Shaw in a favourable light….
      Luxon might want to improve his diminishing approval numbers by going after the Green vote.
      He is woke enough.
      
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      March 22, 2023 10:33am
      - Bobba Fret
        
        Even Chris Bishop was saying they could not work with the Greens.
        
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        March 22, 2023 10:47am
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Luxon sees Shaw in a favourable light
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        That would be in comparison to how Luxon sees the mad Greens, i.e. all the rest of them. It should not be construed as an endorsement of Shaw, per se.
        
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        March 22, 2023 12:12pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        It’s called diplomacy
        
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        March 22, 2023 12:27pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Listening to the hate the Greens are spewing at National at the moment, I can’t see much likelihood of them agreeing to sit in a room with National, much less work with them.
    
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    March 22, 2023 9:58am
    - Colville
      
      Post 2017 election negotiations the Greens had all the power in the world to extract whatever price they wanted from National (National needed them or NZF to form a government) and the Greens couldnt even pick up the phone for a chat the hatred runs that deep.
      
      What is the point of the Greens when they are just a deeper shade of red/loonier adjunct party to Labour?
      
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      March 22, 2023 10:14am
      - peterwn
        
        Greens have an Annual Conference resolution on the books that they will not work with National. That is why James Shaw did not dare to have a chat with Bill English after the 2017 election. And because of that policy, Winston had the Greens round his little finger. Indeed he did not even need to talk with the Greens but instead got Labour to talk to the Greens (within Winston’s parameters of course).
        
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        March 22, 2023 11:15am
      - Bloody Dago
        
        Here’s how the Greens think just with out the beer
        https://www.facebook.com/jjsullivans/videos/guinness-evolution-advert/1003455013121830/
        Their another subspecies spawned from another pond.
        
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        March 22, 2023 11:27am
    - G152
      
      Watch how their opinion changes when the young tire of the greens platitudes and we’re all going to die claims where they no longer vote for them
      
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      March 22, 2023 11:20am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Nats stated yesterday they don’t want anything to do with them, why are people not bloody listening?
      
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      March 22, 2023 12:29pm
      - mawm
        
        Probably because Luxon chastised one of his MP’s for asking a relevant question of Shaw to back up his statements.
        
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        March 22, 2023 7:26pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You need to rethink your design of a poll.
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:51am
  - Colville
    
    Ha but na.
    Anyone who sees that huge negative number is going to have a look at that comment. People cant help themselves.
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:16am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Agreed
      
      I need to rethink.
      
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      March 22, 2023 11:59am
- Black with a Vengeance
  
  The Tribe has spoken!
  
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  March 22, 2023 12:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Michael Bassett pulls back Hipkins’ curtains and discovers nothing much has changed.

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/michael-bassett-hipkins-and-his-policy-deferrals
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March 22, 2023 8:14am
- Simon
  
  Looks like Hipkins is trying to trick everyone into thinking Labo are now moderates. Seems to have worked with a few cattle and Luxon.
  
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  March 22, 2023 8:18am
- herb1
  
  He’s so right about the attitude of young Maori being told nothing is their problem, and it’s all the fault of their Colonial ancestors.
  Maori need to elect smarter people than the Welsh Maori, Davis, to represent them or their future will just be as gang prospects
  
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  March 22, 2023 8:28am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  It was never a policy bonfire.
  
  The only use of ‘fire’ was to create the smokescreen behind which these policies will simply lay dormant until after the next election.
  
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  March 22, 2023 8:55am
- Matt Long
  
  Also from BB&H Mr Trotsky sets his claim as the voice of reasonable co-governance rebuttal, while noting Ngaiti Whatua are not over excited about being subjects of the king of Huntly.
  Actually a very good read, a shame Mr Trotsky can’t get over the habit of calling others in the anti co-governance space NAZIS.
  https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/chris-trotter-the-tribal-stand-off-at-eden-park?postId=dff8eb05-2814-4745-9417-08d40bb29202&cid=db970c6d-6f12-48e2-a04d-5c512f666dee
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:16am
  - rouppe
    
    This is the same Chris Trotter that wrote in The Daily Blog that those who oppose co governance are fascists?
    
    What was seen at Eden Park is exactly what you will see if co governance continues to be progressed. Including the pejorative references to non-Maori
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:22am
- lastmanstanding
  
  If dear God Labour are back after October all their toxic policies will be back with a vengance except this time they will claim they have a mandate.
  So prepare for co-governance big time, climate change taxes, hate speech laws and much more anti-democracy pro Maori government.
  They will strip away our long won freedoms to impose their Socialist Republic. Expect King Charles to be kicked into touch without a referendum and Cindy installed as President.
  Remember you read it here first.
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:25am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Co-Governence = Governence by the Maori elite.
    Don’t let it happen. Vote National/Act.
    
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    March 22, 2023 9:33am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
      
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      March 22, 2023 9:46am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Hipkins stated as much yesterday when under the pump over flip flops, he said oh these are off the table temporary
    
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    March 22, 2023 9:42am
  - Black with a Vengeance
    
    Remember you read it here first.
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    Read, noted and dismissed as the insecure fears of the stale pale male demographic upon realizing their days of relevance and influence are coming to an end…
    
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    March 22, 2023 12:13pm
    - Im Right
      
      Haaaa love your day dreaming fantasies outstanding!
      Now WAKE UP and face reality ‘BROWN with a vengence’
      You ain’t black dude, brown….nothing in common with the blacks in America no matter how much you wish it to be true.
      
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      March 22, 2023 12:33pm
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Leave the casual racism somewhere ay BAV
      
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      March 22, 2023 12:48pm
- Bob
  
  Has taken Michael a while to discover that!
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:51am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  Yet in a poll yesterday, as preferred PM, he has 39% support …. I cried. There is something seriously wrong with this country and the people they poll 😢
  
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  March 22, 2023 12:49pm
Matt Long

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/emily-henderson-why-im-standing-down-at-the-next-election/NQT24DNLVJGTLBSFIGG3UTA54M/
Emily confirms she is an accidental MP, which might explain her body language in select committee.
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March 22, 2023 8:15am
- 7kiwi11
  
  What is it with lefties and oversized necklace / pendants?
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:12am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You want to see the imitation bone fish hook I have.
    12 inches long. Always good for a laugh.
    
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    March 22, 2023 9:47am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    7kiwi11 – virtue signaling. Like masks.
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:23am
  - leoj
    
    From one of the best episodes of Open All Hours, when Granville wanted to be cool, making a home-made pendant.
    Julie to Granville: “Oooooh! What a lovely…….cocoa tin lid.
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:38am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  That’s actually a reasonable explanation – points to Emily
  
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  March 22, 2023 12:16pm
alloytoo

No way.

It’s my humble opinion that the Greens do not answer to the NZ voters, but to Greenpeace HQ in Amsterdam.

Their policies appear designed to make NZ poorer and create a serf class, forever beholden to the state in perpetual poverty (as well as energy poverty)

This ignores the simple truth that wealthy countries can afford better environmental policies.

And as for climate change it’s time to move beyond the smoke and mirrors of so called mitigation policies based on Voodoo Carbon accounting and concentrate on making us more resilient and better able to adapt to the coming Ice Age.
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March 22, 2023 8:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Many years ago I used to donate to Greenpeace.
  Now they are infested with communists.
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:49am
  - Bob
    
    Now they are infested….
    They always were!!
    
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    March 22, 2023 9:55am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    Just a scaremongering scam looking for mugs now.
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:30am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Give me back my flag.
      Yep, him.
      
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      March 22, 2023 4:58pm
Maggie Pie

Seems the Rainbow Greens think REAL WOMEN are Nazis.

https://rebelnews.com/uk_activist_speaks_out_about_unfounded_nazi_allegations
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March 22, 2023 8:21am
- Nickc2
  
  There’s no guessing which side of this Te MSM is pushing eh?
  
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  March 22, 2023 8:32am
- kowtow
  
  Today’s Ferald has an appalling attck piece by Katie Harris on this visit by Kellie Jay Keen Minshull ,aka Posie Parker where she uses what she thinks is a controversial sentence against her ;
  
  PP says ” The only people that are able to be called a woman are actually men”.
  
  So true.
  
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  March 22, 2023 8:33am
- alloytoo
  
  Greens are adept at projection.
  
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  March 22, 2023 8:42am
- Stellaboxer
  
  So does Newshub Maggie.
  
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  March 22, 2023 8:56am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I can’t get to that URL, timed out.
  Found this, be a shame of it went viral:
  https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1637673099952005120
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:56am
bco90

I notice DPF hasn’t mentioned the possible Trump indictment. Is that because he knows this is clearly politically motivated with little to no basis?

On other investigations that never got this far, DPF was saying “the walls were closing in”. Now, the one that actually might get to an arrest, he’s silent…
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March 22, 2023 8:26am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  He paid a hooker to STFU. Big deal. Stormy Daniela probably asked Trump if he would like a bit on the side. (he was married to Melania then)
  So Trump say no thanks and she gets her nose out of joint. ‘Do you know who I am?’
  Just a gold digger.
  Trump will be arrested (if he hasn’t been already) then the prosecution will fall to bits.
  Democrat prank to defame Trump.
  
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  March 22, 2023 10:01am
  - Paulus
    
    What about previous Presidents from Kennedy and Clinton – both serial philanderals both.
    
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    March 22, 2023 1:41pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Which Clinton?
      
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      March 22, 2023 5:00pm
- Inandout
  
  bco, Fox did some street interviews with NYorkers and they are far more interested in crime on the streets than this diversion.
  
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  March 22, 2023 10:09am
- Ghost
  
  Why put an article up about something that may or may not happen? I’m sure if trump for some bizarre reason flys up to New York and hands himself in for the theatre of it all then you’ll see an article go up.
  
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  March 22, 2023 1:53pm
  - mawm
    
    All the Democrats want is a photo of Trump in cuffs to use as ammunition.
    
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    March 22, 2023 7:31pm
Monty

Police Minister
I think Ginny Anderson is going to make Poto Williams look like a star performer as the Police Minister. Ginny’s interview with Mike Hosking is comedy gold if it was not for the fact that Crime is front of thought for so many NZers. I think this appointment really highlights that the talent pool in Labour is as shallow as a puddle in summer.

and why is stuart Nash still a minister? (lets hope there is just one more skeleton in the nash closet
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March 22, 2023 8:31am
ecco

I live in a central Auckland suburb. Day and night you hear the black police eagle helicopter flying above. It’s like noise pollution in your living room.

You know it is chasing these degenerates doing the ram raiding of innocent retail businesses. The frequency of that helicopter tells you that the problem is out of control. This week alone that helicopter has been heard flying twice around 1am-3am.

What this tells me also is that the paid for nz media have stopped reporting the daily ram raid incidences and attacks. There is literally no commentary in the media on this crisis. As though it’s all ok.

What is Hipkins doing about youth crime at the moment? He’s announced policy U turns on everything but that. He needs to reverse some of Ardern’s soft on crime policies. These people don’t need more benefit money (or their parents). They need to be locked up and shown real consequences for their actions.

It’s like living in a war zone having that helicopter flying above Auckland constantly and you just have to drive around Auckland to see the many boarded up shops that have been hit to know the problem is out of control.

Is this something to do with the large Labour maori caucus number and appeasing them by not having a three strikes type policy to deal with this? As Seymour said it’s basically a South Africa type lawlessness situation out there since Labour have been in power.
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March 22, 2023 8:32am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  They are not u turns, they are simply parked for a short time
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:45am
- kowtow
  
  Refusing or omitting crime stories is part of their contractual obligations with the regime to “actively promote the principes of the ToW “.
  
  The other thing they’re on at the moment is a renewed push on the climate fear porn front.
  
  That’s another thing the holding power to account, so called , self described fourth estate signed up to.
  
  Covering Climate Now .
  
  https://coveringclimatenow.org/
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:57am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I like the idea of Military style Camps for the little shits.
  
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  March 22, 2023 10:05am
  - rockape
    
    Needs to be former servicemen. The new lot are too woke !
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:43am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yep. Size 12 Army boot up the arse.
      
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      March 22, 2023 5:01pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Hell no. They’ll just emerge fitter & better at tactical planning for their next crime spree.
    
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    March 22, 2023 12:18pm
- Close Hen Counters
  
  I agree – friends in Titirangi say it’s particularly bad out there …. Helicopter circling every day. It gives me the heebee geebees when you are lying in bed and they are hovering, it seems, right above your home 😢
  
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  March 22, 2023 12:54pm
zubrick

why do reporters wave their hands around like this woman..is it a technique taught in media degreeland these days??
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/africa/south-africas-power-grid-is-failing/
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March 22, 2023 8:34am
- Bob
  
  Todays new breed journalists are technically illiterate. There are no Chris Trotters graduating these days; he has a convincing journalism style and grasp of grammar and word usage. Don’t always agree with his arguments though.
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Why? Ask Jaspinda.
  
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  March 22, 2023 10:07am
Tony Stuart

This sounds really promising…

National will rewrite the curriculum to set kids up for success

A National Government will rewrite the New Zealand Curriculum to ensure every child has the basic skills they need in reading, writing, maths and science to set them up for further education and for life, National Leader Christopher Luxon says.

Mr Luxon will announce Teaching the Basics Brilliantly, the first part of National’s education policy in the Hutt Valley on Thursday.

“Education is critical for unlocking a better future for all New Zealanders and equipping the next generation with the skills and knowledge they need to succeed,” Mr Luxon says.

“A world-class education system is essential for driving social mobility, helping break cycles of poverty, and giving every child the chance to live the life they want.

“We cannot have world-class incomes and living standards without a world-class education system.

“But the current state of education in New Zealand is alarming. Achievement has been in decline for the last 30 years and a recent NCEA pilot exposed just how far achievement has fallen, with a staggering two-thirds of students unable to meet the minimum standard in reading, writing and maths.

“National will not allow this to continue. National will make sure every child leaving primary and intermediate school can master the basics so they can succeed at high school and lead fulfilling lives.

“Today I am announcing National will rewrite the New Zealand Curriculum to detail the non-negotiable knowledge and skills that primary and intermediate schools must cover each year in reading, writing, maths, and science.

There’s more, and I’m sure the full statement will be around later in the day. But this seems to me to definitely be a step in the right direction to getting education back on track, and the tagline Teaching the Basics Brilliantly should really resonate with Kiwi parents.
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March 22, 2023 8:43am
- kowtow
  
  Says it all really ;
  
  while education standards go down the shitter under the Ardern regime, her big idea was to introduce ideological change ( history) rather than teaching basics .
  
  And wimmin and mothers were impressed by that ?
  
  I despair.
  
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  March 22, 2023 8:53am
- Frank Hematuria
  
  It sounds good, but as the media are highly likely to report nothing at all about it, and/or pick out some aspect they don’t like and bash the hell out of that detail, how is National going to get their message in front of the voters? That’s the question that Luxon is not answering, on education and any number of other issues. Talking to the already converted is not enough.
  
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  March 22, 2023 8:56am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    Luxon can’t get his message to voters without our help.
    
    The only coverage he gets from our despicable media is negative.
    
    Opposition party spin doctors are infiltrating political blogs spreading negative inaccurate messages about Luxon.
    
    I keep asking the Luxon haters which party / leader we should vote for and why and the only answer I have so far is vote for ACT because Seymour paid for his own OE.
    
    You can help by donating your time and or money to Act or National.
    
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    March 22, 2023 9:54am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      There’s been good coverage today Mark from Stuff, NZH, RNZ and others
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/300836239/national-party-will-rewrite-new-zealands-school-curriculum-if-elected
      
      But yes, those of us who want a National-led government need to play our part as well, and drive views on social media and places like this.
      
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      March 22, 2023 12:51pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        That is wonderful Tony and we hope to see more factual news coverage for National..
        
        But as the old saying goes. One swallow does not a summer make.
        
        National will win the election as more sensible detailed policy is rolled out.
        
        BUT we all need to help National and Act win 75% of seats so they can entrench a few laws including the results of Act”s TOW referendum.
        
        Whilst identifying problems is important, donating and volunteering is the real solution.
        
        And voting for minor parties only helps Labour. Just think back as to how the underqualified Adern became prime Minister in 2017.
        
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        March 22, 2023 1:14pm
  - Bob
    
    Frank; if the media don’t/won’t report this attempt to rescue education, THEN it must be the right policy for our children’s future.
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:01am
- Clyde
  
  I agree with this, but the stumbling block will be the PC led hordes currently residing in schools, universities and teaching training establishments who have the maorification programme well and truly entrenched. The school day is only so long and it is increasingly filled with mumbo jumbo such as maori science (an oxymoron if I ever heard one) and rewriting history. Allied to this good policy must be recognition of quality teachers and the purging of the PC zealots determined to bugger up our kid’s education.
  
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  March 22, 2023 8:57am
  - Ehlana
    
    The “new” history curriculum is so bad it can just be ditched, without immediate replacement. The Maori science can go too – rename the subject “natural science” to reinforce that it examines and seeks to explain natural phenomena without reference to the supernatural.
    If your core consists of language, mathematics and science there is plenty of time left in the school day for schools to offer a curriculum that suits their local community.
    Then all you need is a system that lets parents/students list their school choice preferences and randomly allocates these. It seems to be done elsewhere.
    Schools which fail to attract sufficient students will downsize or go out of existence. Those who attract more students will take over the vacated space. You can have two (or more) schools on one site, just like office buildings house more than one business.
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:05am
- pdm
  
  Inv – is Teaching The Basics Brilliantly the current title or Luxons.
  
  If it is Luxons he should remove the Brilliantly and focus on Teaching The Basics.
  
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  March 22, 2023 8:58am
  - kowtow
    
    Alliteration is the bigly thing in these shallow, catch phrase filled days .
    
    UK under Bojo the clown had build back better
    
    Shaw had ; racist , reactionary , rightwing.
    
    I’m sure there’re plenty more examples.
    
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    March 22, 2023 9:21am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He wants the basics done brilliantly .
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:26am
- Random T Person
  
  I’ll take responsibility for setting up my boys for success despite the assistance of the state!
  
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  March 22, 2023 8:58am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  No wonder Hipkins went to his old school and eat a pie, just like the pathetic ex pm who should remain un named
  
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  March 22, 2023 8:59am
- David Garrett
  
  Although those under age 50 probably don’t know it, back in the day we had some brilliant politicians and captains of industry who only had education to “standard six” or form two as it was when I were a lad (can’t remember what year it is now – 8 I think) I’m thinking Norm Kirk, Keith Holyoake, Wilson Whineray, James Fletcher plus any number of others.
  
  If you come out of school able to read and write and do ‘rithmetic – which sadly many kids now leaving high school can’t, you can probably manage many jobs, including some of the less taxing trades. If you can’t manage “the three “r’s” you are pretty well limited to entry level or manual jobs.
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:00am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    Actually David, increasingly men who are functionally illiterate cannot get any job. Even ‘manual’ jobs increasingly require the use of equipment that comes with instruction manuals. Think about how tunnels are built today compared to 50 years ago.
    
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    March 22, 2023 9:08am
    - David Garrett
      
      Wido: Very good point…but then as my kids tell me, there’s always Youtube…
      
      I remember seeing a Clint Eastwood film where he stopped by a car with a flat tyre…a woman was standing beside it, the male partner was some distance away, waving his cellphone in the air trying to get reception, so he could find out how to change a tyre. Very sad commentary on the young.
      
      I am very happy that both my kids emerged from the education system able to read well, but neither – sadly – read for pleasure. I remember telling them when they were very young “if you can read well and have access to books, you never need to be bored.”
      
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      March 22, 2023 9:33am
    - MCōs
      
      When I started work more than fifty years ago engineers only had the use of slide rules, a calculator & log books to help with calculations. Draughtsman used drawings boards. Didn’t even need electricity.
      School kids knew how to use that stuff.
      Engineering students could concentrate on learning engineering.
      
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      March 22, 2023 9:39am
      - Burtland
        
        Engineering students now learn a piece of software (Solidworks) combined with YouTube and Google. Theres a 20% turnout at lectures so theres no retained knowledge. Write a report forget it – you get an 8G video or a TicTok. After 2 years they become disinterested -they either want to be managers with all the baubles or go rock climbing to find themselves.
        
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        March 22, 2023 10:50am
      - David Garrett
        
        Burtland: Sorry to be a pedant, but disinterested does not mean uninterested (which is what you mean); disinterested means impartial.
        
        e.g. “Foreign judges in Tonga can be relied upon to be entirely disinterested, since they have no family or other ties to parties or their witnesses”
        
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        March 22, 2023 11:50am
    - Jack5
      
      Until the 1930s, kids had to pass a “proficiency test” before they could go to high school.
      
      An educationist with an interest in history told me that in many respects this was the equivalent in difficulty of the old fifth form School Certificate, replaced now by NCEA, for which you can do a unit in bar tending.
      
      The biggest present danger, however, is the deranged plan of then-Education Minister Hipkins to butcher polytechnics and trade training, including by thorough Maorification.
      
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      March 22, 2023 10:40am
  - Ehlana
    
    Very true. And if you can read (including comprehending what you read) then you can extend your education in any direction you choose at any time in your life.
    
    So the kid who couldn’t be bothered with all that academic stuff at school can discover in later years that some of it is worth knowing – and learn it from books.
    
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    March 22, 2023 9:12am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      learn it from books.
      
      I think they watch Youtube and video clips….
      
      I taught myself science from free online lectures through the Khan Academy while my newborn daughter slept.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300058729/the-myth-of-mori-exceptionalism
      
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      March 22, 2023 9:34am
    - David Garrett
      
      Ehlana: I was one of those kids – left school after sixth form with a burning desire to work on offshore drilling rigs. I achieved that aim a year or so later. By age 28 I was more than ready to start using my brain rather than by back, and went back to uni (the first attempt straight out of school was just six months of sex and drugs before dropping out)
      
      Because I could read well, I managed to get both a BA and a law degree with honours. Reading+time+interest was the not so secret formula.
      
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      March 22, 2023 9:38am
  - Matt Long
    
    DG, so now the state cannot achieve in education in 13 years what it used to do in 8.
    
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    March 22, 2023 9:21am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    There were also some that spent 10 years in Standard 2.//
    
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    March 22, 2023 9:24am
  - Paulus
    
    If children cannot read by which they cannot communicate particularly, how can they be expected to learn Maori ?
    They can learn the first thing though, at primary – how to do a Haka !
    
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    March 22, 2023 9:28am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      how can they be expected to learn Maori ?
      
      The same way most of us learn a language…
      
      I could speak English a couple of years before I learnt to read….
      
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      March 22, 2023 9:37am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    As I have posted before I first starting employing people in 1973 when I was 21 yo. Over the decades the standard of education of the people I was employing decreased. Reading and writing was appalling. These were people in managerial roles expected to be able to write reports that could be understood.
    As I have said before I very much doubt most teachers could pass the School Certificate and University Entrance exams from the 1970s.
    Forget Te Reo and the rest of the rubbish get back to basics and make sure every student leaves school able to read and write.
    Want an example of the problem. How many in prison except the white collar crims cant read and write.
    
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    March 22, 2023 9:34am
    - David Garrett
      
      lastman: Re illiterate prisoners, you are of course correct…but I don’t believe illiteracy excuses crime, especially violent crime.
      
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      March 22, 2023 9:45am
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Indeed. I have an illiterate friend who is a responsible and reliable working man.
        
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        March 22, 2023 11:10am
  - krazykiwi
    
    My oldest granddaughter started school recently. She earned a certificate for something I know she’s a little star at, proudly displaying it to her mum’s phone for a photo. The citation had poor grammar, and one amateur hour spelling mistake.
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:01am
  - Bob
    
    are pretty well limited to……
    life as a ‘welfare dependent’, with your standard of living determined by a Comrade in Wellington.
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:05am
  - peterwn
    
    When Kiwi Keith was awarded an honorary degree, a cheeky student newspaper wrote a satire piece where the Education Minister awarded Keith an honorary School Certificate on the basis that this should have preceded an honorary degree.
    In reality opportunities for and attitudes concerning further education meant that many teens had little option to leave school at 15 or soon after. Under different circumstances Keith and the others mentioned could well have gone to university if the parents were supportive and had some wealth.
    
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    March 22, 2023 11:38am
- Taieri
  
  This sounds really promising…
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  It does. But who will implement it and carry out the actual teaching? The same people that do it now?
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:01am
  - Simon
    
    “But who will implement it and carry out the actual teaching?”
    
    Men in dresses calling themselves women, Marxists who will insist on the Maori version of the basics, barley literate who got to be teachers on some diversity intake.
    
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    March 22, 2023 9:45am
    - Tom Barker
      
      “Barley literate”
      Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
      
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      March 22, 2023 10:31am
      - Simon
        
        “Barley literate”
        
        lol – typo get your jollies. points still stands.
        
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        March 22, 2023 12:07pm
- Nickc2
  
  Teachers will oppose it. IMO, where are they going to find sufficient teachers with the necessary skills to teach this curriculum?
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:02am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Maybe Luxon will say f…ya unions 😃👍🏻
    
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    March 22, 2023 11:12am
- Its only I
  
  If its a sound plan and a logical step as part of a bigger plan I wonder if the “teachers first, students last” union will change to kids first?
  
  Bwahaha, as if, plus shitting in your own workplace nest is what a union is.
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:09am
- rockape
  
  He has been saying exactly this for a long time. I was present at one of his first speeches and this drive in education was his top priority. Those who criticise him should listen more to what he says and less to what the media say about him.
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:11am
- Simon
  
  “This sounds really promising”
  
  Yes sounds promising. But never to implemented by woke MofE. Stalled until National forget.
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:13am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    We have been dictated to, maybe teachers rill be getting dictated to after the election
    
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    March 22, 2023 11:14am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  I guess it is a good step. However at the same time it is depressing that we have got to the stage where “Teaching the Basics” is an achievement 🙁
  
  Few people comprehend how far we have sunk. Even if we can lift achievement in the “basics” we are still going to be left behind as other countries surge ahead. Learning to read and do maths is better than nothing but it is not enough in a modern society.
  
  I think we could look around other countries and simply replicate what the best are doing. Finland is one. It is consistently in the top 5 countries for education achievement. This is an outline of their curriculum for ‘basic education’ (ages 9 – 15). It contains a hell of a lot more than maths and literacy.
  
  https://www.oph.fi/en/education-and-qualifications/national-core-curriculum-basic-education
  
  The other obstacle to making all this work is the teachers. From what I understand, many maths teachers in New Zealand are only one chapter in front of the kids in the textbooks.
  
  It is a good start from National, and it is commendable. However there are multiple linked problems in the education system. They will all need to be tackled. If they win, I hope Seymour gets education.
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:21am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Learning to read and do maths is better than nothing but it is not enough in a modern society.
    
    Can you expand on that a bit?
    
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    March 22, 2023 9:33am
    - Widogast Corwin
      
      If you look at the Finnish curriculum, kids have been taught a second language (for obvious reasons – you can’t really get through life just speaking Finnish).
      
      However there is also physics, chemistry, biology, ethics, history. They also teach about how to take care of yourself. ‘Entrepreneurship’ is a core subject.
      
      Browse through the linked pages. I’m just saying it looks a hell of a lot more sensible than what children are being taught here.
      
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      March 22, 2023 9:55am
      - Jack5
        
        A common question: can you teach “entrepreneurship”?
        
        Henry Ford, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, Rockefeller, Carnegie, Edison, Bezos, (Sam) Walton, Jack Ma, Dyson, Branson …
        
        Did anyone teach them?
        
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        March 22, 2023 11:29am
      - septic skeptic
        
        Sounds OK but I would say entrepreneurship is not teachable.
        
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        March 22, 2023 11:31am
      - Paulus
        
        Children in the main towns and cities in China all learn English.
        I have been stopped in the street in Shanghai and been asked to speak to a group of teen children in English.
        It is a pleasure to listen to them.
        
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        March 22, 2023 1:48pm
      - Jack5
        
        Paulus talking to kids in Shanghai …
        
        Those kids would also speak, in addition to Mandarin and English, Shanghainese, a Chinese dialect or language not mutually intelligible with Mandarin.
        
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        March 22, 2023 2:09pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Do you want theft, ramraiding, mugging, shooting, and stabbing:
      Basic,
      Intermediate,
      Advanced, and
      Serial
      included in the revised curriculum?
      
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      March 22, 2023 10:53am
  - Ian Boag
    
    From what I understand, many maths teachers in New Zealand are only one chapter in front of the kids in the textbooks.
    
    So the second time they go through it, they are all good …. ?
    
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    March 22, 2023 11:24am
- backster
  
  He should be attacking the decline in the last 5 years not the last 30.
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:42am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Is he not tight about the last 40 ?
    
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    March 22, 2023 11:15am
- gravedodger
  
  Great Idea and thank you for bringing it into view Tony , one question though, where in the hell will they find teachers to deliver the lessons, the current crop when on display seem rather deficient in such a skill set, implementation will be very fraught.
  
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  March 22, 2023 10:33am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  If you want to change direction in education you have to change the power balance at the top and at the bottom first.
  
  At the top are the bureaucrats and unions that want status quo made worse. At the bottom are disruptive and unruly kids from worse than useless families who are empowered to disrupt all the other kids’ education. The unions are currently campaigning to make this even worse by abolishing streaming.
  
  To make any change National has to move power and responsibility to the schools themselves bypassing the Ministry and free parents to send their kids to the best schools with funding following them.
  
  It also has to end tolerance of disruptive and bad behaviour if necessary creating special schools to deal with those messed up kids and families.
  
  Anything else is just pie in the sky.
  
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  March 22, 2023 10:47am
- leoj
  
  Does Luxon’s and the Nat’s new curriculum include Luxon’s Green Climate Change reading list?
  
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  March 22, 2023 10:54am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Go and listen to what he said on Newshub, he as getting asked about things like economics, he was steadfast, and the 4 core subjects are the aim, he never mention climate change or Māori history once.
    
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    March 22, 2023 11:36am
- MCōs
  
  Erica Stanford is the Nats Education spokesperson.
  Is she going to speak up on what they plan to do or is it a rehash of the reform of the curriculum Hekia Parata introduced ten years ago that proved to be one size fits all.
  
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  March 22, 2023 1:33pm
Random T Person

Well, sorry to the party faithful, but the polls and the whisperings about replacement all but confirm that Uncle Fester isn’t it.
Now, don’t get me wrong. I’d far rather have the blue commies in power than the red ones, but wishful thinking isn’t the same thing as reading the room and seeing who is resonating with the electorate (dumb fffs that they are). Sadly, Hipkins is, Luxon is not. And that’s a fact.
Nats better find someone, the sooner the better, who has hair on their head and fire in their belly. Bald greenies aren’t going to win the election for National.
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March 22, 2023 8:57am
- Paulus
  
  I will not vote for Luxon – well I cannot as he is not my MP.
  But I will vote for whoever tries to get rid of the disgraceful state of affiars that New Zealand now is in.
  It will take many years – generations at least, to try and recover the pride we once had in our Country.
  I am not sure that it is possible as we have gone well over into a, once proud, South Pacific oblivion country
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:32am
  - Sideoiler
    
    …But I will vote for whoever tries to get rid of the disgraceful state of affiars that New Zealand now is in.
    It will take many years – generations at least, to try and recover the pride we once had in our Country…..
    
    Then unfortunately ACT is your only option.
    David Seymour is the only party leader who has recognised that change is badly needed and NZ can not continue along its current path.
    If we do not elect aACT/Nat government next election I don’t think that New Zealand will ever recover.
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:50am
- Sideoiler
  
  ….Nats better find someone, the sooner the better, who has hair on their head and fire in their belly. Bald greenies aren’t going to win the election for National.
  
  Sadly if they give Luxon the arse, they are likely to be dumb enough to promote Willis to leader.
  Won’t that be a blast?
  
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  March 22, 2023 10:45am
- leoj
  
  Well summed up.
  There’s no killer instinct there.
  Politics is a dirty game and Luxon is tip toeing around, hoping to sleep-walk into power.
  The country needs a jolt but Luxon and co do not have the courage to deliver it.
  
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  March 22, 2023 10:51am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The replacement whispers are media bullshittery
  
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  March 22, 2023 11:37am
  - Random T Person
    
    Someone probably inside National with leadership ambitions fed the media those whispers. This is how these things work.
    
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    March 22, 2023 2:18pm
Maggie Pie

FREE SPEECH AT RISK IN NEW ZEALAND 🙁

Rainbow-Greens call for Posie Parker to be banned!

Urge trans members to put pressure on Immigration-Minister Michael Wood to cancel her visa….

https://twitter.com/RainbowGreensNZ/status/1637629237980188672
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March 22, 2023 9:06am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Chippy dropped it like a hot potato.
  Said it was up to others.
  Prime Minister Chris Hipkins told AM he wouldn’t intervene or involve himself in the matter of Parker’s entry.
  https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/act-party-free-speech-union-oppose-calls-for-uk-gender-activist-to-be-barred-from-new-zealand/ar-AA18SvKv
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHPZIV3nh3U&t=91s
  This wood be fun….
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:21am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    “She’s currently meant to be speaking in Tāmaki Makaurau next weekend, which poses significant safety risks.”
    
    How many people in Auckland refer to “Tāmaki Makaurau” in their daily conversations? Apart from the Rainbow Greens.
    
    The only way there will be “safety risks” is if the rainbow greens cause a riot.
    
    Kellie Jay Keen is a diminutive woman who says mostly sensible things. What the hell would she have in common with Nazis?
    
    She only wants 3 things:
    
    1. No “women” with male genitals in women’s spaces.
    
    2. No medical and surgical transitioning of children.
    
    3. No men in womens sports.
    
    That is it. She never deviates from those messages.
    
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    March 22, 2023 9:29am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      She sounds reasonable and level headed to me.
      She has nothing to do with neo-nazis.
      
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      March 22, 2023 10:14am
      - Surely Knott
        
        Agree She has nothing to do with neo Nazis. But if guilt by association is a concern why aren’t the left concerned that
        labour court the gangs vote. The mongrel mob have swastikas on their foreheads .
        
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        March 22, 2023 7:43pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      It is clearly the Rainbow Greens who have similarities to Nazis.
      
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      March 22, 2023 10:43am
    - Bob R
      
      It seems that the people doing the salutes were Union members brought in to discredit them. Dan Andrews has form for this to discredit protesters apparently.
      
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      March 22, 2023 11:30am
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        No – they were real neo Nazis led by a guy named Thomas Sewell.
        
        https://xyz.net.au/2023/03/australia-says-no-to-groomers/
        
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        March 22, 2023 1:36pm
      - Nickc2
        
        So Chairman Dan had two teams of goons there, his Police, and his Union Thugs?
        He was on TV last night blaming the VIC Libs for his Nazi thugs.
        Unfortunately, the Liberal Party Opposition Leader (John Pesutto) went off half-cocked and is trying to throw one of his members out of parliament because he says she was involved with the Nazi thugs. He obviously didn’t do any checking before he started making derogatory statements about her.
        I hope this spells the end of John Pesutto.
        
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        March 22, 2023 2:16pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    The real reason the ‘Rainbow Greens’ want her banned…. is because Posie is such a good looking woman 😀
    
    Reminds me of Marilyn in BLONDE….
    
    https://youtu.be/7WYYyZ75yO0
    
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    March 22, 2023 9:47am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    “A woman shalt not wear a man’s garment; nor shall a man put on woman’s clothing; for anyone who does such things is an abomination to the LORD, your God”
    
    – Deuteronomy 22:5
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:00am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Well that’s me done for, then.
      
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      March 22, 2023 10:12am
      - thirteenstars
        
        Me too. I once put on a bra to appear in a play. I was very young, and I also needed the support.
        
        Good thing I’m an atheist.
        
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        March 22, 2023 10:28am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      My Partner wears black rugby shorts!
      
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      March 22, 2023 10:17am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  There should be a very high barrier for refusing entry to someone simply based on their views. We even let rap singers in who sing about raping and murdering women. It is ‘artistic expression’.
  
  Kellie Jay Keen is not “transphobic”. She is happy for adults to knock themselves out cutting bits off and taking all the hormones they want. But she does not want children having bits cut off. And she does not want a penis in her face in the locker room at the gym.
  
  The reason women have their own ‘spaces’ is because some men are perverts and predators. It is impossible to know who they are. They don’t come with a warning stamp on their foreheads. So for centuries men have not been allowed in women’s spaces. This applies in all cultures. It is a practice that has stood the test of time.
  
  Then suddenly – essentially only in the last couple of years – in the Anglophile countries there are activists trying to turn centuries of practice upside down. Then when women like Kellie-Jay push back they are the subject of gaslighting and they get called Nazis.
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:41am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I don’t like Posie’s chances of getting in TBH.
    
    Can only imagine the pressure Michael must be coming under from home
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:36am
    - Widogast Corwin
      
      She is being allowed to visit.
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/immigration-nz-allowing-anti-trans-activist-posie-parker-to-enter-new-zealand/XVGZCULPRZGT5MEHPLP5XLTFUE/
      
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      March 22, 2023 1:43pm
      - Paulus
        
        She has the correct visa to enter New Zealand anyway
        – it is only the bigots who will try and stop her, and interrupt what she has every right to say.
        Interesting times still !
        
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        March 22, 2023 1:53pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        Wait till Customs discover a banana hidden in her luggage 😀
        
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        March 22, 2023 2:10pm
- Nickc2
  
  Will the [deleted] bow down to the wishes of the Unions who along with the Greens are not in favour of this woman entering NZ?
  What’s the bet the wife (Akld City Councilor) of the [deleted] is campaigning on the Council to prevent this woman from speaking in Akld?
  As for Wgtn, they have an [deleted] person for mayor so I guess a speech there will be out of the question eh?
  
  [use their proper names. mod.]
  
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  March 22, 2023 10:59am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    She is speaking in outdoor spaces. How can the Council stop her?
    
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    March 22, 2023 1:39pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Brian Tamaki was in an outdoor space, and he had to front the courts.
      
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      March 22, 2023 2:26pm
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        Yes you know what happened there as well as I do.
        
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        March 22, 2023 2:38pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Idiot box play school TV1 breakfast at Wellington Zoo this morning.
Someone announced that the tigers where to get Covid vaccinations. Is this a vax made for humans, or a specially made tiger vax?
I bet they didn’t get the tiger’s permission.
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March 22, 2023 9:06am
- peterwn
  
  Does the vet get the cat’s permission before desexing it?
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:09am
- Ehlana
  
  As an exercise, explaining to a tiger that you want to stick a needle in it seems on a par to explaining to Auckland Zoo alligators that you would like them to move away from that lovely incoming water that might soon get high enough to lift them over their compound walls.
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:15am
- Its only I
  
  To be fair though, every year I go through a box of castration rings with nothing in the consent form tray…wearing a People Eat Tasty Animals jacket on…cause, its cold.
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:17am
- MCōs
  
  They’ve no more say in the matter than you do whether or not to watch that awful programme.
  
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  March 22, 2023 1:37pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Speaker of the House insists.
    Keep the Queen bee happy and the whole hive is happy 🙂
    
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    March 22, 2023 5:04pm
Yvette

Te Pūkenga – the organisation that now runs the country’s polytechs – needs a further cash injection of almost half a billion dollars, according to figures seen by Stuff.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/130773783/te-pkenga-needs-almost-500m-in-extra-funding-amid-calls–to-end-out-of-control-spending

Te Pūkenga issues new style guide advising against using words like ‘merger’ and ‘student‘
Students should only be called ‘ākonga’ or ‘learners’ and staff should be called ‘our people’ or ‘kaimahi’. The guide clarified only the Te Reo title, ‘Te Tiriti o Waitangi’, should be used.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/03/te-p-kenga-issues-new-style-guide-advising-against-using-words-like-merger-and-student.html

Ara Automotive Engineering course in te reo Māori: a first in New Zealand
Ara Institute of Canterbury will provide all learning materials and assess a trades course in te reo Māori, a first for any non-Māori tertiary institution.
“The initiative began when a student [only one] who had been educated in kura kaupapa Māori schools expressed concerns about English-based assessments as part of the automotive training course,” Julie McIlwraith, Ara’s Academic Quality Assurance Manager for Trades says.
https://www.ara.ac.nz/news-and-events/news-stories/ara-automotive-engineering-course-in-te-reo-mori-a-first-in-new-zealand/

This may seem funny – simply without editing, it would be a John Cleese item – funny, until you realise it is not.
And when will those among the lowest social statistics realise who is syphoning off their dry warm housing and medical needs tax funds to run courses that need to create new, mostly-transliterated automotive mechanical labels for items that already have existing labels, and will they then go and sit on the new lawns outside Parliament to protest that, or find other ways to express their frustration?
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March 22, 2023 9:17am
- Yvette
  
  Now read, if you haven’t already, –
  
  CHRIS TROTTER: The Tribal Stand-off at Eden Park
  An extraordinary pre-figuring of the “Aotearoa” that could emerge from “New Zealand” occurred at last month’s [22 February 2023] opening of Te Matatini.
  https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/chris-trotter-the-tribal-stand-off-at-eden-park
  
  as Maggy Wassilieff, just below, also links
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:42am
  - backster
    
    I used to love using the ferry to Christchurch, it was really killed by the Seamans Union making it un profitable. Now that Labour has re-introduced the Union Rules that killed it, I doubt that it could be re=established.
    
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    March 22, 2023 9:53am
    - Jack5
      
      Could you elaborate on that please, Backster? I’m interested in this subject and would like to read up on your point.
      
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      March 22, 2023 11:34am
  - thirteenstars
    
    Finally, Trotter makes some sense.
    
    The violence will probably come from surrogates, what the Mafia called “button men”. But if it happened at an actual powhiri the most gruesome thing would how state-funded media would explain it all away.
    
    That said, when it comes to money and power, these people aren’t stupid. Could be a ruse to excite tensions where a “settlement” of some kind is required, from the Crown, that is, money, and lots of it being the magic sauce that makes everything tino pai.
    
    Once Were Warriors is nearly 30 years old but nothing’s changed: a failed culture expressing itself in the greed for power, money and ultimately, violence.
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “Kapareta”
  What a load of fictional rubbish!
  
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  March 22, 2023 10:20am
  - Yvette
    
    kaiwhakangahau kapareta – cabaret entertainer
    Haere ahua
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:46am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Kapareta = carburettor.
      “Many terms don’t currently exist in te reo Māori, so we had to think about whether to use transliterations, such as ‘kāpareta’ for ‘carburettor’, or create our own terms and submit them to Te Taura Whiri i Te Reo – the Māori Language Commission, or to simply use the English terms,” says Reimana Tūtengaehe, the Ara tutor responsible for the translations.
      
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      March 22, 2023 5:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

NZ’s future?

Tribal scores to be resettled?

https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/chris-trotter-the-tribal-stand-off-at-eden-park
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March 22, 2023 9:18am
- Matt Long
  
  It’s great the government has been able to advance NZ to year 1800 in such a short time.
  Given a few more years, especially with climate change, they should be able to advance us to the famines of the middle of last millennium.
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:29am
- cas
  
  This is fascinating and well worth watching the Facebook feed. For what it’s worth I always thought Ngati Paoa had better claims to parts of Auckland than Ngati Whatua.
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:57am
- backster
  
  Tainui have won the first battle though. They own and control Aotearoa’s water.
  
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  March 22, 2023 10:00am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And I suspect they’ll be in some lucrative deals with Chinese Companies any day now.
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/nanaia-mahuta-heads-to-china-for-first-ministerial-visit-since-2019/57HVMVKTNRCYXBTV6RYCOF4IWA/
    
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    March 22, 2023 12:16pm
  - Paulus
    
    Tainui by controlling all the South Island water, the means of production and delivery of most of the country’s electricity, much via the Cook Strait cable to the North Island.
    Called Control !
    
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    March 22, 2023 1:58pm
- Littletramp
  
  Wow, I just watched the video on the facebook page (Te Ao with Moana). This is Tuku Morgan being challenged for pushing himself forward to represent an area & people he has no claim to represent over the Three Waters co-governance.
  This is finally falling apart around them. These guys like Tuku Morgan & clan Ormsby (Mahuta) envisage themselves like the Saudi’s, all powerful owning all the oil (water).
  Grab the popcorn.
  
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  March 22, 2023 10:32am
Ghost

Interesting read

Fall of the House of Trumpenstein

News is breaking that Donald Trump will turn himself in to New York authorities Tuesday, where he expects to be arrested. Huh? Where did this come from? Arrested for what exactly? Why now? And why in New York? What is the proudest and least humble man in America 2.0 doing humbling himself like this?

Several questions arise here. Why is Trump traveling from Florida to New York, for the purpose of being arrested? In these cases, usually witnesses are extradited to other states. And governors can always refuse to extradite, as happened consistently during Jim Garrison’s investigation. So wouldn’t Ron DeSantis, as a loyal Republican, deny any laughable extradition order for Trump? Or would DeSantis be happy to get rid of his obnoxious rival for the presidential nomination, especially given Trump’s curious attacks on his character? So many potential plot twists.

Fall of the House of Trumpenstein
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March 22, 2023 9:36am
- All_on_Red
  
  https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/03/in-a-just-world-final-witness-in-braggs-grand-jury-would-have-ended-the-case-against-trump.php
  ‘During their first meeting with Cohen, Costello (His Lawyer) and his partner asked him numerous times if he could provide any derogatory information about Trump that might help his case. According to Costello, Cohen repeatedly replied, “‘I swear to God Bob, I don’t have anything on Donald Trump.’”
  
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  March 22, 2023 11:21am
Maggie Pie

FACTS OF LIFE

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Put 100 women and 10 men on an island.

In 100 years you will have a community of men, women, boys and girls.

Put 100 Trans-women and 10 men on an island.

In 100 years you will find the skeletons of 110 men.
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(What a brilliant analogy!)
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March 22, 2023 9:38am
- Ghost
  
  Sounds like a fantasy. In reality ten men would see 100 woman on the island, swim to another island to get away from the nagging. Spend their life fishing and drinking coconut alcohol. 10 men will die happy.
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:52am
  - kowtow
    
    In reality the ten men would not see 100 ‘women”.
    
    Without razor blades , mirrors and makeup they’d all end up looking like the ourangoutang enclosure at the zoo.
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:11am
  - Swifty
    
    Did you hear the one about the man, a dog and a pig on an island?
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:37am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    If they were gay sure.
    
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    March 22, 2023 6:06pm
- MCōs
  
  My wife has a trans gender niece.
  There’s no way anyone is going to put her on an island to die for your pointless experiment.
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:52am
  - graham
    
    It’s called a “Thought Experiment”, MCos …
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_experiment
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:07am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    My partner has some great tales to tell Cossie about the 6 months he spent in Thailand helping set up a Mercedes Benz dealership 😛
    
    Long before he met me of course.
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:10am
    - thirteenstars
      
      Lady Boys? Is the make of car significant? The Germans do have unusual tastes. I’m afraid to ask.
      
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      March 22, 2023 11:19am
      - Maggie Pie
        
        You into table-tennis 13?
        
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        March 22, 2023 12:36pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        Table tennis? Well, I do ping and pong from time to time.
        
        I’m still afraid to ask.
        
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        March 22, 2023 12:52pm
    - MCōs
      
      Half the expats that goes to Bangkok think they’ve seen stuff that nobody else knows about.
      
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      March 22, 2023 2:00pm
  - Sideoiler
    
    My wife has a trans gender niece.
    There’s no way anyone is going to put her on an island to die for your pointless experiment.
    
    It’s alright, they said women dear.
    
    Put 100 women and 10 men on an island.
    
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    March 22, 2023 11:12am
  - I remember when
    
    The trouble with extreme gender actions is that the people most disadvantaged are those most in need.
    
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    March 22, 2023 12:47pm
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Nephew.
    
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    March 22, 2023 6:11pm
Ghost

Huh, when the boats are constantly breaking down how is there a case to make them go further

Should the Wellington to Lyttelton ferry be resurrected?

With delays and breakdowns plaguing the Picton to Wellington route, there could be a case to be made for diversifying New Zealand’s ferry routes.

Stuff
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March 22, 2023 9:40am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  James Shaw thinks it is a good idea because of climate change, but he wants an electric ferry 🙁
  
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  March 22, 2023 10:00am
  - Inandout
    
    WC, electricity and water is a bad combination in a storm.
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:15am
- MCōs
  
  I caught that ferry in the old days because it was far cheaper than flying.
  Personally I think it would be a waste of time & money.
  
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  March 22, 2023 10:00am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    Exactly. Airlines killed it. Who is going to spend 12 hours on a ferry travelling to Wellington.
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:08am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      It was an overnight trip arriving in Wellington early the next morning so quite convenient really. More so than having to drive to Picton and then catch a ferry. But as you imply, air travel offers far more flexibility.
      
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      March 22, 2023 10:56am
    - Sideoiler
      
      Exactly. Airlines killed it. Who is going to spend 12 hours on a ferry travelling to Wellington.
      
      Any body who wants to get a vehicle to the north island I suspect.
      It would also take a few trucks off the road as Christchurch is a distribution hub for the south island.
      
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      March 22, 2023 1:04pm
- Widogast Corwin
  
  How about James Shaw goes looking for private investors to finance a new ferry service? Of course they don’t exist. He wants the Government to finance it so when it collapses it is just pretend money that went down the drain.
  
  It is never going to happen.
  
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  March 22, 2023 10:11am
  - Ghost
    
    I expect shaw will be rolled as co-leader before the election
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:16am
  - gravedodger
    
    Just place the whole idea in the basket case tray along with light rail, rail loops, and all other nutty notions that will only survive on mass subsidies.
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:53am
- Paulus
  
  Lyttleton Wellington Ferry – the Unions have banned it before you even think about it – they destroyed it before remember.
  
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  March 22, 2023 2:00pm
Handyman

There are many calls to adapt to the climate of the future.
I say we need to adapt to the current climate. That is the one where it rains at various rates from time to time, gets hot and gets cold.
We need to build roads and other infrastructure to deal with today’s reality. The soil on the Muriwai escarpment will still be the same in the future, no matter the weather, so no good blaming future weather for today’s problems.

Similarly in Hawke’s Bay near Hastings which destroyed apple plantations. The flooding was not cause directly by the rain; it was caused by the failure of one stop bank. Again, we failed to adapt and build to cope with the current climate.
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March 22, 2023 9:56am
- MCōs
  
  What you’re saying is all potential weak points, which aren’t necessarily weak points now plus know weak points should get the Rolls Royce treatment in anticipation of future major weather events?
  Sounds expensive.
  
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  March 22, 2023 10:09am
  - Colville
    
    Its far cheaper to top up the stopbanks to 500 year event level than it is to redzone a few thousand houses.
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:23am
    - MCōs
      
      Ain’t no stop bank would have saved SH25A
      
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      March 22, 2023 11:42am
      - Colville
        
        Likewise Esk and Tangoio valleys.
        
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        March 22, 2023 11:51am
  - I remember when
    
    The River network system uses stop banks to control the impacts of flooding, especially on our towns and cities.
    Stop bank heights have been increased many times and the Tutaekuri river course changed several times.
    If one house can have a value of several million dollars what cost is too expensive.
    How much extra expense would Hawke’s Bay residents consider reasonable today and what would the figure have been a year ago.
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:33am
  - Matt Long
    
    Areas vulnerable to land movement or flooding should be prepared for extreme events or not built on.
    Policy should take into account historical weather events more than 50 years ago, and be stress tested for events 50% or 100% worse.
    What I have seen north of Auckland is that serious slip damage is often confined to areas of less than 500 Ha where concentrated rainfall sits for an extended period. It’s this sort of regular event planners need to be preparing for rather than the rain guage at the airport.
    
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    March 22, 2023 10:52am
Handyman

Did anyone spot the irony of opening a large (6200m2) vegetable growing operation in Hamilton called Greengrowers?
It saves the usual planet by using less land to grow kitchen crops and is apparently necessary in the future due to climate change caused by dangerous CO2.
It is a great idea and I wish them well. However, its key to increasing green yields is to pump in higher levels of CO2. As we know, CO2 is plant food and plants love it. Higher levels of CO2 reduce the need for water so a win/win. Presumable it is heated as well above the ambient Waikato winter temperatures.

In other words, the green solution to increased crop yields is to create the exact environmental conditions that apparently will cause all life on Earth to wither and die!

Irony much.
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March 22, 2023 10:10am
- Mark Hanley
  
  Hear hear
  
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  March 22, 2023 10:40am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  And with a grant from the givernment (a typo, but strangely accurate).
  
  I applaud the people behind Greengrowers, but they should not be asking other people to part-fund their interests.
  
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  March 22, 2023 12:31pm
I remember when

“Hardest decision of our lives: Foster parents return Moana to state care: Stuff.
The Smiths can no longer deal with the ongoing legal battle and have made the painful call to return her to Oranga Tamariki, after 5 years.
2021 Judge Peter Callinicos ruled she would remain with the Smiths.
2022 Justice Helen Cull dismissed the appeal against this decision in the High Court.
Birth mother made urgent appeal to Supreme Court to appeal this decision.
Supreme Court said it should be to Appeal Court, so she appealed there.
Mrs Smith, “We very much want (Moana) to be a part of our lives – she is, will always be, a child in our hearts.”
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March 22, 2023 10:16am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  When the inevitable consequences eventuate those responsible must be pilloried.
  
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  March 22, 2023 11:02am
- kowtow
  
  Apparently this is made possible because parliament saw fit to insert a so called ToW paragraph inn the relevant legislation.
  
  How’s that working out for individual Maori children in dire need of protection.
  
  The regime are all about “active protection” of the ‘principles of TOW’ , whatever the hell that means , but care nothing about real people .
  
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  March 22, 2023 11:21am
Maggie Pie

“Keep your Heels, Head, & standards High”

A bestie from the UK tweets…..

https://twitter.com/UltraDane/status/1637893280456413184
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March 22, 2023 10:24am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/businessman-in-christchurch-going-for-it/
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March 22, 2023 10:36am
I remember when

Michael Bassett: Hipkins and his policy deferrals:
“What amounts to a bizarre structural revolution in the middle of a pandemic continues while ministers and bureaucrats pursue their goal of doing for Maori what most of them could easily do for themselves.”

In other words, inferring that Maori can only progress with our continual help or they will fail.
How long are we going to allow Labour, Greens and Te Pati Maori to hold back Maori progress with their clearly racist policies.
This racism must stop!!
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March 22, 2023 10:39am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Who is this? Son/Brother of?????

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=1016240645962389
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March 22, 2023 11:11am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Mike King
  
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  March 22, 2023 11:23am
- ClanMcleod
  
  SO – Mike King’s son, Nathan I believe.
  
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  March 22, 2023 11:45am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeah, that’s who. Thankyou.
    
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    March 22, 2023 12:10pm
Jack5

As bank problems in America and Europe continue, we find some Kiwisaver money is at stake.

Fisher Funds, the second biggest Kiwisaver fund, had $50 million in America’s troubled Signature Bank, reports the Herald, which quotes a Fisher Funds spokesman as saying the investment is now worth nothing. The newspaper reports Fisher’s growth and conservative KiwiSaver funds had between 0.2 per cent and 0.6 per cent exposure to Signature Bank.

With the world banking crisis, you might think bitching about NZ bank profits would fade.

But yesterday, Red Radio had a bank workers’ union spokesman wading in.

First Union researcher Edward Miller said the union would like a 5 per cent levy on the profit of any bank annual profit of more than $500 million, with this funding a “Ministry of Green Works”. In 2022, this would have yielded more than $300 million.

The ministry would build public infrastructure, addressing long-term housing and infrastructure deficits, “including mitigating the impact of extreme weather”.

Meanwhile the financial mess continues in America and Europe.

In the Swiss Government’s bail-out of Credit Suisse and merger into UBS, $US17 billion of Credit Suisse bond-like “contingent convertibles” have been “vaporised” by the Swiss Government.

These instruments, known as CoCos, are popular in Europe because they convert from debt to equity (shares) when a bank gets in trouble.

CoCos have provided up to $US275 billion of funding for European banks, chiefly from private banks and from investors in Europe and Asia. The Telegraph reports that prices for CoCos issued by other banks have now dived.

Primary investors for CoCos are individual investors in Europe and Asia and private banks.

But in far-away NZ, we want bank profits tapped for Green projects.
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March 22, 2023 11:19am
Swifty

With regard to Kellie-Jay Keen’s imminent visit to NZ, isn’t it interesting that over the all the coverage over the last few days on RNZ, TVNZ, the papers, press releases from the Greens, Green Rainbows, the ranting from Shaneel Lal etc etc – not once have I seen a DISCUSSION OF THE ACTUAL ISSUES..

Instead all we’ve seen is a constant stream of attempted character assignation, of personal attacks, and attacks of guilt by association.

Not once have I seen any attempt to debate the issues Keen raises or points she makes – no, it’s all about attacking her personally and attempting to stop her speaking.

What does that say 1. about her opponents and the power of their arguments and 2. our news media?
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March 22, 2023 11:21am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Swifty – it’s exactly the same MO as used during the covid debacle. Narrative control, gaslighting, censoring of opposing views, smears and vilification.
  
  It’s all they’ve got, they don’t have an actually valid argument. Expect to see much more of these tactics during the “climate change” scam.
  
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  March 22, 2023 12:21pm
- Swifty
  
  *assassination
  
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  March 22, 2023 12:24pm
ClanMcleod

Bill Gates has harassed the World Health Organisation into establishing a “network of top health emergency leaders” to indulge him with perpetual pandemic wargames, meddle in national governments

Gates is a dangerous, narcissistic sociopath who likes playing The Sims with the planet and everyone on it.
He wants to create a team of pandemic “specialists” to airdrop into any country to oversee their next “pandemic” response.

What could go wrong?

In his extremely stupid book on How to Prevent the Next Pandemic, Bill Gates proposed expanding the World Health Organisation with a division of pandemic shock troops called the Global Epidemic Response and Mobilisation team, or GERM. He envisioned a crack unit of 3,000 diversely talented technocrats who could be airdropped into a developing outbreak anywhere in the world and handle everything from subverting local human rights to sequencing random genomes. He was also very emphatic that he wanted more pandemic wargames, because they’re fun events where he gets to hobnob with his favourite virus wizards and pose as an important philanthropist for the cameras.

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/bill-gates-has-harassed-the-world

As Eugyppius says:

Berenson is right – the man is a menace.

Bill Gates made a fortune as a monopolist at Microsoft and a second fortune after he quit Microsoft and Satya Nadellab fixed it for him. Unfortunately, he is too rich and too in love with himself to spend his retirement owning sports teams, and not smart enough to try something truly weird like colonizing Mars.

Instead, he’s surrounded himself with a bunch of people telling him that pandemics are a mortal threat, without bothering to notice that their salaries and careers all depend on convincing him of the mortal threat of pandemics.

It would all be a big joke, except that gain-of-function research (and even the bat expeditions) are actually dangerous.

I don’t know how we stop these people – they have all the money, all the media, and most of the politicians – but we have to try.

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/urgent-bill-gates-the-worlds-most

These people will have to be stopped. They are very, very dangerous, deluded ideologues with too much money and too much time on their hands.
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March 22, 2023 11:34am
ClanMcleod

Mod – apologies for the duplicate post, I edited the original, normally it won’t let me do a duplicate? Anyway, please delete the first one, it is missing a relative link. Cheers.
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March 22, 2023 11:35am
- krazykiwi
  
  Clan, I’ve found that editing the post content to ‘.’ works as a signal to the mods that the post can be immediately deleted.
  
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  March 22, 2023 12:00pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    kk cheers for the tip.
    
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    March 22, 2023 12:05pm
Maggie Pie

And just when you were thinking it might be safe to venture out.

Coming to a neighborhood near you Chch 🙁

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1638082615801442304
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March 22, 2023 11:46am
All_on_Red

Check out this bunch of bludgers
Lets hope Wayne Brown axes their funding
https://www.climateconnectnz.com/learn/about-us
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March 22, 2023 11:54am
Yvette

Decisions on agricultural emissions pricing scheme delayed as UN urges swift climate action
There were little people asking the big questions at Waterloo School in Lower Hutt on Tuesday. The Prime Minister was visiting and taking questions.
Among the questions was what was the naughtiest thing Chris Hipkins has ever done. The Prime Minister said he was sent to the principal’s office twice at school, but he couldn’t remember what for.
But it wasn’t just the naughty things the children were asking about. They have a much bigger question: “What are you going to do about climate change?”
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/03/decisions-on-agricultural-emissions-pricing-scheme-delayed-as-un-urges-swift-climate-action.html

Strawberries have become a winter staple in Japan. The most immaculate ones sell for hundreds of dollars apiece to be given as special gifts.
But recreating an artificial spring to grow the berries in winter has an environmental toll: Farmers grow the delicacies in huge greenhouses with giant heaters that burn kerosene. – New York Times [subscribed]

Why are New Zealand strawberries not a “Beaujolais” fruit in Japan?
Perhaps a child from a Lower Hutt school will catch up, whereas Hipkins won’t
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March 22, 2023 12:18pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Yvette, yet again, the UN proves itself to be a net danger to the planet and everyone on it.
  There latest “the end is nigh” bullshit destroyed in this post on the Daily Skeptic.
  
  Back on Planet Reality, it might be noted that there are a number of possible disadvantages connected to removing fossil fuels, a reliable, inexpensive energy supply that powers 80% of global needs, within less than 17 years. Starvation, death, widespread warfare, societal and economic breakdown and rampant disease being just a few that come immediately to mind.
  
  It is not difficult to see why the IPCC continues to claim current global temperatures are the highest for 125,000 years, despite overwhelming scientific evidence that shows this is untrue. The rebound rise of about 1°C seen over the last 200 years is very small, and similar changes have obviously occurred countless times in the historical and paleo past, sometimes over even shorter time periods.
  
  https://dailysceptic.org/2023/03/21/latest-un-climate-doom-report-falsely-claims-global-temperatures-are-highest-for-125000-years/
  
  Don’t let them gaslight us again like they did with covid. My mental health will struggle to cope with more years of similar madness. They are indoctrinating a whole generation of our kids into this circus.
  
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  March 22, 2023 12:47pm
ClanMcleod

The undemocratic tyranny of Net Zero

In this letter to the the convenor of the Scottish Government’s Net Zero, Energy and Transport committee, Sir Edward Mountain, Doug Brodie asks the relevant questions to show this sham for what it is.

I challenge you to publish a defence of the undemocratic tyranny of Net Zero for all your constituents to read. I have been arguing against this madness for years, e.g. in 2015, 2018, 2020 and 2022 but have always been fobbed off without any justification beyond false boilerplate assertions and clichés.

Just one of the questions.

Your misguided ongoing Net Zero policies will only make things worse, in particular: continuing down the disastrous energy supply cul-de-sac of yet more hugely-expensive, unviable and hopelessly-insecure wind and solar power; Jeremy Hunt’s recently-announced plan for the nationwide deployment of unproven-at-scale, expensive, energy-inefficient carbon capture and storage, dismissed as “bonkers” all of 9 years ago by energy expert Euan Mearns; pursuing the dead-end of impractical and hopelessly-expensive “green” hydrogen; continuing the expensive importation of foreign natural gas rather than pursuing domestic fracking and enthusiastic exploitation of our North Sea oil and gas resources, currently fettered by Hunt’s energy windfall tax; SNP/Green Party refusal to countenance nuclear power or even gas or coal-fired power essential for grid balancing, synchronisation and backup. To be fair, the UK Labour Party’s Net Zero plans would probably be even more destructive.

He systematically shreds the whole concept of man made climate change with evidence and facts. There are numerous hyperlinks. Very much worth reading in full.

https://metatron.substack.com/p/the-undemocratic-tyranny-of-net-zero?
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March 22, 2023 12:19pm
ClanMcleod

These people are actual Nazis.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/anti-trans-activist-posie-parkers-hobart-event-swarmed-by-protesters-ahead-of-auckland-stop/43VV5HN4JRHXDDYH42TO73GOPI/

Yet again, the go to is suppression of any opposing points of view. Ardern and her “single source of truth” mantra is becoming the norm.
This is fascism. It is modern day book burning. We are moving rapidly towards very dark times.
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March 22, 2023 12:28pm
ClanMcleod

Previously unseen footage of the January 6th insurrection……

https://twitter.com/stevenvoiceover/status/1633218199981375489?s=20

“please make sure you pick up a promotional brochure on the way in……”

😂😂😂😂😂
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March 22, 2023 12:38pm
lifesgood

I refuse to believe there are as many transgender people in the world as we are led to believe. It is a bizarre thing to claim you are not the gender you are born with. And whatever activists tell you, it is not normal. Unfortunately it has become very fashionable. Remember when the Hollywood stars were adopting black children from Africa? Now they are all proudly trotting out their “trans gender” child. I wonder what the next insane craze will be.
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March 22, 2023 12:44pm
Swifty

Please take a look at the faces of these gentlemen – corrupt, venal, organised criminals who decided to use public positions for personal gain thereby striking at the very heart of our civic institutions and of our nation’s reputation:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/131567534/corrupt-council-assets-manager-jailed-for-taking-70000-in-bribes-in-exchange-for-lucrative-contracts

Isn’t it ironic that people who are attracted to this country for its freedoms, honesty and lack of corruption etc come here and immediately try to take advantage of and wreck those very things.

I see one of the gentlemen was, at sentencing, ‘sobbing’, and ‘cried inconsolably’.

Good.
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March 22, 2023 12:50pm
- lifesgood
  
  Sorry if I sound a bit pedantic but these are ‘men’, not ‘gentlemen’. Gentlemen gives them a status and a decency they don’t deserve. Unfortunately it is the police who started calling low life crims and thieves “gentlemen” They most certainly are not.
  
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  March 22, 2023 1:41pm
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    Point taken.
    
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    March 22, 2023 2:03pm
- Matt Long
  
  This is why we cultural safety programs in Aotearoa for more cultures than just Pacifika.
  Anyone conversant with the Subcontinent know that the poblic service is simply a means for people to take bribes to get things done. No wonder the defendant was in tears, he was simply carrying business as usual and was persecuted for it.
  Where was the cultural impact statement in this case? Why is one brown skinned person given preferential treatment by the courts and not another.
  I bet all manner of people even refused to take his bribes, from police to court officers.
  
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  March 22, 2023 2:22pm
Maggie Pie

TWITTER TRENDING

What absolute insanity that the law allows a man simply to declare he’s a woman and share a Changing-Room with young girls…..

https://twitter.com/salltweets/status/1637997273731809284
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March 22, 2023 1:27pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, in comparison…
  
  ‘Uganda’s parliament has passed a bill which would criminalise people who identify as gay, or a sexual minority.
  
  Individuals could face lengthy prison terms if the bill is signed into law by President Yoweri Museveni.
  
  Under the proposed legislation, friends, family and members of the community would have a duty to report individuals in same-sex relationships to the authorities.
  
  Homosexual acts are already illegal in the east African country.
  
  But the bill seeks to go further and criminalise people on the basis of their sexual identity.
  
  The bill, which was first tabled earlier this month, passed with widespread support in Uganda’s parliament on Tuesday’.
  
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  March 22, 2023 1:35pm
- cmm
  
  I think a better argument is to ask why we even have gender separated changing rooms in the first place.
  
  Whatever the answer is to that will answer the transgender question too.
  
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  March 22, 2023 1:38pm
  - Ehlana
    
    We separated the sexes for toileting because they toilet differently (really – ask a 3 year old). It was cheaper to put in two separate spaces with privacy screening between the stalls than to build individual toilets with full stud walls. Unfortunately, the arrangement does make assault or bullying in the toilets easier.
    
    We separate the sexes for changing because, particularly after puberty, most men and women do not want to change in front of strangers of the other sex.
    
    The sensible answer to the transgender question is the provision of more single-user fully enclosed toilets and changing rooms, accessible from common space. This would also help parents needing to change children of the opposite sex and anyone needing toileting assistance whose assistant is of the opposite sex.
    
    But we’d far rather throw temper tantrums and accuse other people of being mean for not agreeing with whatever we say.
    
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    March 22, 2023 4:25pm
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      Look at you. So grown up and still don’t know what a rhetorical question is.
      
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      March 22, 2023 6:18pm
- mogg
  
  Nicola Sturgeon thought it was a good idea and look what happened to her.
  
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  March 22, 2023 2:48pm
cmm

I see there is another call that streaming in schools is racist.

If people really ARE streamed according to race then that is unacceptable.

But if streaming is done on academic performance and that just happens to correlate with race then that is an entirely different matter.

Streaming is essential. Without streaming there is no way to fully develop our human capital in the school system.

If you don’t have streaming then you get the really slow and the really bright kids trying to muddle along at the same speed:
* The slower kids can’t keep up, don’t have time to grasp the fundamentals, get frustrated/wag school/ leave early/… They don’t reach their full potential.
* The smart kids get 5 minutes of useful schooling a day because classes are spent trying to get thick Johnny to understand some basic concept. The smart kids do not end up being developed fully. They too get frustrated and bored and and act up/wag school etc.

Nobody wins other than the activists. Everyone loses.

As a country we must develop our top pupils/students. Top pupils/students are highly productive. In the industry (egnineering etc) the top 1% outperform the top 10% by a factor of 5 to 1. The top 10% outperform the average by 5 to 1 too. If we do not develop those people well we lose the vast majority of our intellectual capability.

We see streaming everywhere. There are pub-grade sports teams and representative grade sports teams. People can slot in at the level where they are challenged without being overwhelmed. If we accept it for something as trivial as sport, then why not for schooling?

I went to a streamed school. I entered in the ‘B’ class but got bumped up the the ‘A’ class after 4 weeks. Good thing too, because I was top of the school in science and maths. We ended up getting extra tuition (calculus & first year university maths stuff that others didn’t get). Pretty much everyone in that class went off to university. Many ended up with PhDs etc.

My brother, on the other hand, bumbled along in the ‘C’ class where he fitted quite well. None of them were up to calculus, but they all got developed to the maximum of their capability. A few went off to university and some made it.

We are not all the same. We don’t all have the same capabilities. Let’s stop pretending we do!

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/kokirihia-plan-to-end-streaming-in-kiwi-schools-unveiled/6V6Y3GRN3VERXBPDNK2HU3NK4I/
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March 22, 2023 1:34pm
- NothingLeft
  
  AI tutors are going to completely alter that educational landscape in next few years. Aristotle type tutoring for everyone (Chat GTP4 is already able to pass many graduate level exams)
  
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  March 22, 2023 2:44pm
Bridgenag

Little video that was banned for a time. Weird that the same problems are world wide.

https://twitter.com/foundring1/status/1621997604124131328?s=20
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March 22, 2023 1:38pm
- krazykiwi
  
  He’s a superb ragtime pianist. “Pfizer lied, people died”. True, that.
  
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  March 22, 2023 3:08pm
Swifty

Labour Minister Michael Wood simultaneously demonstrates his wilful ignorance, his misunderstanding of the issues at stake and his willingness to destroy women’s rights – all in one highly unfortunate press release:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/immigration-nz-allowing-anti-trans-activist-posie-parker-to-enter-new-zealand/XVGZCULPRZGT5MEHPLP5XLTFUE/
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March 22, 2023 1:58pm
- Widogast Corwin
  
  Yes I have commented below in the thread. If he thinks she is vile/right wing/a white supremist, he cannot have any knowledge of her views. It is shameful.
  
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  March 22, 2023 3:50pm
Swifty

“ She says areas where indigenous peoples speak their languages and enact their traditional practices are the areas with the highest biodiversity.”

https://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/300819757/the-wahine-professor-who-is-making-waves-in-marine-science

Tell that to the bloody moa!
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March 22, 2023 2:16pm
- Widogast Corwin
  
  Was not just the moa. So many bird species became extinct before Europeans arrived.
  
  There was no cooperation between tribes to conserve species.
  
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  March 22, 2023 3:52pm
Ghost

Oh for goodness sake, the fun police, also known as the forever offended are offended again

Chris Hemsworth and his wife Elsa Pataky have been hauled over the coals online after sharing a prank they pulled on their twins’ birthday, with critics branding the stunt “violent” and potentially dangerous.

Newshub
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March 22, 2023 2:21pm
Maggie Pie

OH NO. What a bummer!

Looks like Chippie might have blown the queer vote….

https://twitter.com/shaneellal/status/1638348607966552064
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March 22, 2023 2:24pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Wow he’s committed! That’ll put a smile on their perpetually scowling faces for a while at least.
  
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  March 22, 2023 2:42pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, it appears he batted for the other side and then changed teams.
  
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  March 22, 2023 3:16pm
Widogast Corwin

The Minister of Immigration thinks Kellie Jay Keen has “vile” views.

“Wood condemned her “inflammatory, vile and incorrect worldviews, and will always stand alongside those New Zealanders who use their own right to free speech against those who wish to take society backwards”.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/131572087/antitrans-activist-kelliejay-keenminshull-allowed-into-new-zealand

I have watched around three hours of her speaking. Now I am fairly sensitive. I despise despots, nazis, and white supremists. So blow me down if I agree with 90 percent of what this woman says.

I bet Michael Wood has not listened to ANYTHING that Kellie Jay Keen has said. All a journalist needs to do is ask him “Can you give some examples of what she is said that is vile and full of hatred?” Of course they won’t do that.
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March 22, 2023 3:47pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  There are three types of bathrooms:
  Mens
  Womens
  Unisex
  
  You’ll notice it’s not Unigender. That’s because bathrooms are differentiated on the basis of sex, not gender. There is no right of access to female safe spaces for people not of the female sex. The same applies to sport etc.
  
  I have empathy with the trans community and realise they have a legitimate need for safe spaces themselves, but the conversation must be had honestly and openly and the activists simply won’t back down from their unilateral “rights” claim. A starting point of “no penises in female safe spaces” is an entirely reasonable bare minimum.
  
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  March 22, 2023 4:26pm
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    Google Lia Thomas. Giant trans woman swimmer in college swimming in the USA. A number of the women complianed about this person parading ‘her’ penis in the locker room.
    
    They were advised by the administrators that they should seek counselling for their phobia.
    
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    March 22, 2023 4:49pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Is it appropriate for a Minister of the Crown to publicly give his personal opinion about the worth of someone who has applied for a visa to come here – when he is supposed to be in charge of the ministry in question?
  Is this sort of behaviour approved in the Cabinet Manual?
  I think Minister of Filth Wood should keep his mouth shut on matters pertaining to the personalities and actions of people of whom he does not approve when speaking as a minister of the portfolio in question.
  He is a very unprofessional, but entitled politician.
  
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  March 22, 2023 6:30pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    People in the know reckon his missus probably wrote it 😀
    
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    March 22, 2023 6:53pm
Maggie Pie

Hundreds of tweets appearing from the Auckland trans-community wondering where they can get their grubby little paws on Vuvuzelas.

Me and a couple of gals from tennis thinking we might head to Albert Park on Saturday for lunch…..should be a hoot 😎

https://twitter.com/shaneellall/status/1638347596136841218
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March 22, 2023 3:51pm
- Widogast Corwin
  
  The irony. If the trans activists had ignored Kellie Jay Keen, she might have had 30 women at her events and close to zero media coverage.
  
  These events in Auckland and Wellington are going to shit shows.
  
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  March 22, 2023 4:53pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    LOL!! Imagine it….every MISFIT in Auckland will be in attendance 😎
    
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    March 22, 2023 5:54pm
  - MCōs
    
    Hard to ignore her when a bunch of Nazis turn out to support her.
    Having said that the woman is the sort of footnote figure of whom we seem to have a knack of elevating to notoriety in NZ.
    
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    March 22, 2023 5:59pm
- Ehlana
  
  Meanwhile, I’d guess about 1.65million Aucklanders will go about their day not knowing or caring about this event.
  
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  March 22, 2023 5:12pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I hate Trump. I love Trump. I hate Trump. I love Trump.
Good Election campaigning? Yup, imo.
https://nz.news.yahoo.com/tucker-carlson-says-trump-called-235800324.html
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March 22, 2023 5:13pm
- fernglas
  
  Has he been arrested yet, like he said he would be? Or is he still playing 5D chess with pawn stars?
  
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  March 22, 2023 7:48pm
Ghost

How about let businesses do this

Newshub can reveal the Government is planning to supercharge our electric vehicle charging network by building chargehubs similar to petrol service stations along our state highway network.

It wants to build 25–34 hubs containing up to 20 chargers meaning there would be a hub every 150kms along our state highways.

Rural New Zealand, the Government hasn’t forgotten you. It wants a charger in every small town with a population of more than 2000 people.

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- info@cruzpro.com
  
  If these charge hubs actually appear it will be interesting to see how much they cost to use.
  
  Chargenet now charges $0.80 per KwHr to Charge your EV at their chargers. Used to be $0.25 per KwHr plus $0.25 per minute connected to the charger.
  
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  March 22, 2023 7:53pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Ghost at the end of the segment I got the impression that they will be built and operated by a private company ?, it didn’t sound like that for a start though with Wood announcing it. I would expect that if there was a dollar to be made then private investors would be interested. Certainly hope so, I don’t see why EV owners should get anymore special treatment.
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:13pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Waste of time getting an e-car. Can’t even use it in the cycle lane.
  
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  March 22, 2023 9:24pm
- Ehlana
  
  One, on their current delivery record, there is no danger of this government actually building these.
  Two, fortunately for electric car owners, the private sector has already begun to provide charging points, for example, in shopping malls and at service stations. If not unfairly undermined by the government, it is reasonable to expect that private provision will match demand.
  
  Three, sadly for renters the government is apparently contemplating a “right” to an EV charger with your rental and sadly for home buyers, a requirement that all new builds have one. I predict the government will be surprised and appalled when rent and new home costs rise to cover this.
  
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  March 23, 2023 7:18am
Ghost

Must buy some more popcorn for this next scare, note to self also watch the last of us.

‘Urgent threat’: CDC warns of deadly fungus rapidly spreading in U.S., including Wisconsin
The CDC says the fungus is spreading at an “alarming rate” in U.S. healthcare facilities and is resistant to anti-fungal drugs.

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March 22, 2023 7:49pm
Swifty

Labour and Green MPs openly demonstrate that they are no valuers of reason, women’s rights, freedom of speech and assembly, and that they are happy to launch personal attacks rather than debate issues:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/131572087/immigration-minister-prefers-antitrans-activist-kelliejay-keenminshull-never-set-foot-in-nz

In addition, the named Green MP also demonstrates she’s away with the fairies. That she’s more concerned with superstitious mumbo jumbo that preserving the rights of New Zealanders to participate in free and open debate.
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