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Steve Otto(North Shore)

Look out. Climate Change Climate Change Climate Change Climate Change.
We are being softened up/Buttered up with nonsense. A Climate Change Tax may be coming. Government thinks throwing money at s pseudo problem will fix it – your money!
Then once there is a large pile of money in the Climate Change Fund, it will be funneled for something else just as stupid, because there is no money anywhere else.
Robertson has spent all we have, and borrowing is getting harder.
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March 21, 2023 8:01am
- Nickc2
  
  Q. How do we stop this rort?
  A. Get rid of this fuckin Govt.
  
  Lying, thieving, conniving, incompetent bastards.
  
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  March 21, 2023 8:09am
  - mawm
    
    Luxon is just as committed to the climate fraud. Nothing will change.
    
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    March 21, 2023 9:28am
    - Nickc2
      
      Agreed. However, he has people within his opposition that I believe will keep him reigned in on that. They know it’s a rort but unfortunately, not all voters do.
      You will have noticed, that apart from the Maureen Pugh fiasco, both he and his deputy have said nothing about climate change whilst in opposition.
      IMO, for National or ACT to say anything on the subject would only lend ammunition to Te MSM.
      
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      March 21, 2023 9:53am
    - Jeanette
      
      Have you studied Nationals climate change policies and compared them to Labour and the Greens or is your comment because of a dislike of Luxon. I would be very surprised if Nationals Climate Change policies would be up there with Labour and Greens as they would loose votes from farmers for a start. That would be surprising
      
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      March 21, 2023 9:56am
      - Paulus
        
        Remember Farmers appear to have voted Labour last time – perhaps they will do it again !
        
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        March 21, 2023 10:40am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Jeanette the conservatives in Aus were meeting their promised emissions targets. This wasn’t enough for the woketards. They needed an “emergency” climate response. A critical mass of brainwashed twits took their bait. Australia is now also headed for the S bend.
        
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        March 21, 2023 7:59pm
      - mawm
        
        No I haven’t but he has singled his intention to continue down the path of climate change fraud.
        
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        March 21, 2023 8:06pm
    - Mark Hanley
      
      I am not National Party member and I didn’t give my party vote to National at the last election but…..
      
      There is no mention of an anthropogenic climate emergency in Luxon’s state of the nation speech:
      
      These are my five commitments to you.
      One – National will curb the rising cost of living.
      Two – National will lift incomes for all.
      Three – National will deliver resilient infrastructure for the future.
      Four – National will restore law and order.
      Five – National will provide better health and education services.
      
      Luxon is exploring options to offset NZ carbon emissions by including carbon sequestered by the sea. Including farmer’s pastures turns their CO2 emissions to negative.
      
      If Luxon Ignores or dispels climate change he will have no chance of regaining votes from the (mainly) middle class women supporting Labour and Adern, and he risks financial penalties from our trading partners.
      
      Happy to hear from the Luxon critics just who they think we should vote for, whether their preferred party has a chance of gaining an mp and / or implementing their policies, and what high level corporate change management: qualifications, expertise, and experience; the leader of their preferred party possesses.
      
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      March 21, 2023 9:57am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        “he risks financial penalties from our trading partners”
        
        Luxon told his climate change spokesperson to support Shaw. I think he now regrets that which is good. As far as penalties go I do not think any suggest we do not meet our commitments.
        
        I will be voting Act and that party will not just one MP but more than ten.
        
        Seymour has different qualities than Luxon. He went to the US for a break and paid his own way. He is not out for the status of being a minister.
        
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        March 21, 2023 10:48am
      - Ian Boag
        
        The five commitments are pretty impressive. Some might say “inspirational” even …
        
        It would be interesting to see a summary of the specific policy steps that would “lift incomes for all” and at the same time “curb the rising cost of living”.
        
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        March 21, 2023 10:51am
      - Matt Long
        
        The calculations regarding methane from farm animals do include pasture grown.
        The problem with them is that they use arbitrary time-frames that exaggerate the effect of methane.
        The narrative treats methane as though it is building up in the atmosphere rather than than part of a cycle.
        
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        March 21, 2023 11:18am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Chuck. if paying for your own overseas trip is all the experience you need to lead a program of change in an organization as large and diverse as the government, then Adern should have been a raging success.
        
        I like Seymour’s honesty and practicality and I like his TOW referendum policy but the reality is most of his policies won’t see the light of day. Also, Seymour and his ACT MPs have no experience enacting large scale organizational change.
        
        Being promoted to a position where you are expected to succeed in changing a large organization is a far cry from being elected into such a position, as we see from Adern and Hipkin”s absolute failure to deliver anything except crippling debt.
        
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        March 21, 2023 11:28am
      - Overworked
        
        All those middle class middle aged women who are devoted to Jacinda just love her because she’s friends with them on facebook. You have to hand it to her, her little facebook chat sessions every evening nattering about running the country and looking after babies, was inspired. The women’s weekly’s constant outpouring of sycophancy helped too I suspect.
        
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        March 21, 2023 6:39pm
      - The Redbaiter
        
        Ian Boag-“The five commitments are pretty impressive. Some might say “inspirational” even …”
        
        Good grief Mr Boag, without any detail, they are meaningless feel good flim flam.
        
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        March 21, 2023 8:29pm
      - Countrygirl
        
        Chuck, Luxon’s climate change spokesman
        , Todd Muller, is not standing at the next election, so it may well be that the next one will have no such edict.
        
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        March 21, 2023 9:42pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Money will fix Climate Change. Luxon knows this is fraud, but he is chasing the votes from the loony left.
      
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      March 21, 2023 10:41am
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Of course he is. First job of a party leader is secure a majority at the next election.
        
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        March 21, 2023 11:39am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He has ruled out any new taxes including a climate change tax, give him a chance ffs
      
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      March 21, 2023 11:45am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I know of someone else who said “No new taxes on my watch” or something.
        
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        March 21, 2023 3:02pm
    - MiddleclassTrash
      
      Maybe the new normal is to not commit to any policy during election campaigning, then do what you want if elected.
      No manifesto, then policy a-gogo.
      Labour did it. Why not the Nats?
      Why should Liebore have the systematic advantage?
      
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      March 21, 2023 4:09pm
    - pdm
      
      mawm – and therein lies a problem.
      
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      March 23, 2023 8:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    You’re racist.//
    
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    March 21, 2023 10:37am
  - BeaB
    
    Vote National. Don’t split your vote. Don’t let the sods sneak back in again.
    
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    March 21, 2023 10:59am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nope, Act will definitely get my Party Vote.
      Candidate in Upper Harbour? We just don’t see them on the Shore. Fuck knows where they are.
      
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      March 21, 2023 3:05pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Have they chosen the upper harbour candidate yet? If so how long ago, don’t forget your electorate turned the west red, how is they working?
        
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        March 21, 2023 3:56pm
    - pdm
      
      BeaB
      
      Electorate vote National – if they have a credible candidate in your electorate.
      
      Party vote ACT.
      
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      March 23, 2023 8:49am
  - Keith White
    
    Nicely lacking in nuance. Well done.
    
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    March 22, 2023 5:58am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Something that overpaid fool James Renwick does not realise it that more people die for cold that heat.
  
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  March 21, 2023 8:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The planet is still warming from a mini ice age 10,000 years ago. If only the quacks would look at some History.
    And guess what? One day another ice age will come. This is just how the planet behaves.
    A glacier in Alaska (Exit Glacier in Seward) that I have bee to shows year markers on the path to the face. They finish about 1920/30. What is not told is the Glacier used to go right into the Resurrection Bay Ocean some 12 miles away. It was receding before the Industrial Revolution. Try and tell a Green quack and watch them divert.
    
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    March 21, 2023 8:34am
    - fightingtemeraire
      
      Last mini ice age was from 1400’s to 1800’s
      
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      March 21, 2023 8:37am
      - MCōs
        
        What exactly is a mini ice age and is it different from a Little Ice Age?
        
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        March 21, 2023 9:11am
      - Paulus
        
        Remember in the UK the Thames was fully frozen.
        
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        March 21, 2023 10:41am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @MCos. From the Google Machine:
        https://www.vedantu.com/geography/little-ice-age
        
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        March 21, 2023 10:47am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Generic Ice Ages (Glaciation) are generally believed to be caused by orbital patterns. These generally last for about 100,000 years and are interspersed with warmer periods (Interglacials) which last for 10,000 years or so. We are currently in an interglacial period. Interglacials have warm and cool cycles within them. The “Little Ice Age” was a cool period within the current interglacial.
        
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        March 21, 2023 8:04pm
    - NothingLeft
      
      Earth has spent about 90% of last few million years frozen up in a long sequence of 100000 year ice ages between short 10000 year long interglacials like the Holocene we are in. The Holocene started about 12000 years ago.
      
      Holocene peak temperatures were about 5-6000 years ago when ice and glaciers were at a minimum (eg can find 1000’s of year old driftwood under now permanent ice cover in the Artic), and we are slowly cooling off with expected start of next ice age in next few 1000 years. That is the true climate change that would kill billions, not that we will let it happen given our technological prowess.
      
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      March 21, 2023 9:13am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Yep it’s cold we should be crapping ourselves over. If the earth does unexpectedly swing cold for an extended period a lot of people will die due to the insane energy poverty the neomarxists are busily creating in the west.
        
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        March 21, 2023 8:12pm
  - G152
    
    James knows where his next pay is coming from
    
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    March 21, 2023 12:01pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yes, from us Net Taxpayers!
      
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      March 21, 2023 3:37pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Steve,
  
  CovidCult has run its course. They need something new to scare the masses. Remember in the 90s Venice was going to sink into the ocean due to climate change.
  
  It’s still there…..
  
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  March 21, 2023 8:19am
  - MCōs
    
    Venice isn’t sinking due to climate change, but because of the unsuitable land it is built on.
    Bangkok is the same.
    High rise buildings have extremely long piles. Thirty, fifty meters. But the surrounding land continually sinks.
    
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    March 21, 2023 9:26am
    - Frank the tank
      
      No Cosy.
      
      Even back then teachers were teaching us that it was going to sink due to climate change along with most of the pacific islands.
      
      Nice try.
      
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      March 21, 2023 10:05am
      - MCōs
        
        Nothing ‘sinks’ due to climate change.
        
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        March 21, 2023 11:03am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        MCos, see my 10.53 below.
        
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        March 21, 2023 3:38pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Human ingenuity always trumps the doomsters. Relax. Take a deep breath.
      
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      March 21, 2023 8:14pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Frank the tank – it would be great if the CovidCult had run it’s course, but in NZ they are still pushing these utterly failed jabs on people.
    It will never be over until it is acknowledged for the disaster it was and those responsible are held to account.
    
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    March 21, 2023 9:52am
    - Frank the tank
      
      Did you see that weirdo Fauci going to the poor black areas and trying to get people to vax. When people pushed back he had no answer and started making up numbers like Ardern used to do.
      
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      March 21, 2023 10:07am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Same with Pacific Islands. See level rising.
    Nope. As water is taken from the aquafers the Island sinks, but the save the trees and dicky birds mob say sea levels rise.
    
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    March 21, 2023 10:53am
    - kowtow
      
      And as their populations grow bigly they move into the more and more marginal land to build their homes on , where back in the day no one would have been stupid enuff to .
      
      We see that in places like Bangladesh and Pakistan as well as the hillside steep slopes around many third world cities which are very corrupt and have no town planning rukes enforced and in ………
      
      New Zealand.
      
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      March 21, 2023 1:13pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The biggest scare is yet to come.
    When NZ goes electric everything someone will realise that we done have enough power. Power will be rationed.
    Then NZ will find out that we need to go nuclear microreactors.
    That is when the scare tactics start, and the flakes will lap is up with protests.
    Govt will also use nuclear as control, just as they did with Covid and the false vaccines.
    
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    March 21, 2023 11:02am
    - Drone
      
      I class myself as a moderate political inbetweener, but climate change activists rattle my dags. We cannot transition to net zero by 2040 or 2050 without significant change. It’s not possible without draconian new laws. Let’s try that approach for a say a year. Consider what law changes could be made that would actually make a difference:
      1. The government today could impose regulations that banned all fossil fuel power generation. Simple act three words from the Chipkins. This would have two benefits it would force the gentailers to be more efficient and in theory would reduce the cost of electricity because the energy (wind, water and thermal) required for the remaining power generators is “free”. Currently the price of electricity is based on the cost of the most expensive generating power stations (coal and gas). There may be a few downsides, a few minor power cuts and blackouts but I’m sure they can be managed by our world class gentailers, and resellers etc.
      
      2. Ban private vehicle travel/usage on alternate days, as was piloted in the 70s (?).
      
      3. Another new law to be introduced under urgency of course, could be to ban all domestic cats and dogs, that would reduce the need for additional food production plus the environmental damage caused by breathing, urinating and defecating animals. Oh and as an additional benefit reduce the destruction of New Zealands unique and (once again) world class wild life.
      
      These are only a few suggestions but they would actually achieve something, (it might not be pleasant) but then again James Shaw whining on about how he won’t work with a government that doesn’t bleed the populace financially to death isn’t either. Basically in a scenario where either Labour or National form the next government we are screwed..
      
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      March 21, 2023 1:06pm
      - Taieri
        
        3. Another new law to be introduced under urgency of course, could be to ban all domestic cats and dogs
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        Go all the way…ban people…
        
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        March 21, 2023 1:53pm
      - Ehlana
        
        For pt 2 you would need to exempt people who start or finish outside public transport hours, or don’t live near any, or can’t work from home. But in theory, those who can work from home could be limited to going to work a couple of days a week only.
        
        For pt 3 you would see a sudden rise in “emotional support animals”, which of course you could not ban.
        
        But your pt 1 really renders the other points unnecessary – if we really did just ban fossil fuel power generation (including diesel & petrol powered generators, vehicles and machines), how long would our society actually last?
        
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        March 21, 2023 3:23pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        2. Carless days. Most families had two cars even back then.
        So it achieved nothing, when the car did a round trip to take two people to work and back home. Senseless.
        
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        March 21, 2023 3:44pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Yep, ban pets, including emotional support animals. Tough, I know, but for Gaia’s sake!
        
        Watch those heads explode in showers of green muck.
        
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        March 21, 2023 5:15pm
      - sirknz
        
        Ban cats and dogs?
        
        Do you remember the shitstorm that happened when Gareth Morgan suggested banning cats a few years back?
        
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        March 21, 2023 10:13pm
- Grunter
  
  Climate Change Tax has been with us for a while already. It’s called the ETS which then gets reflected in the price of all CO2 emitting fuels (ie petrol price). Of course, it’s not called a ‘tax’ but it is clearly a Govt revenue stream (about $4 billion pa??) – and it’s just an evil sneaky way of taxing the pleebs. All spent on a load of crap centrally planned initiatives that cause productivity to plummet.
  
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  March 21, 2023 8:32am
- tedbear
  
  As each of your items are scanned at the supermarket checkout, the appropriate carbon tax is added.
  Every single item has a carbon footprint.
  Then there’s things like your power bill, clothing purchases, entertainment, computers for your school children.
  You’ll likely have a deduction from your ATM withdrawals too.
  There will be no escaping this tax.
  
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  March 21, 2023 8:53am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I see that António Guterres wants us to pretty much get ‘net zero’ done by 2040 rather than 2050.
  How many of our politicians are all in on that goal? Somebody needs to ask them because that’s going to take some serious sacrifice on our part.
  I want to hear which of our politicians thinks there’s a snowball’s chance in hell of achieving that. The insane Greens will be into it, but will Luxon bother to ask himself if idiotic demands like that make any sense at all, or does he just believe the existential threat bullshit?
  
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  March 21, 2023 9:07am
  - cmm
    
    Politicians will promise anything, so long as it is after they have retired.
    
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    March 21, 2023 11:19am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Sometimes you promise shit and then retire from the being ‘in charge.’
      NO MORE NEW TAXES!
      The biggest lie NZ had to face.
      
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      March 21, 2023 3:49pm
  - tedbear
    
    On ABC News their climate activist reporter says Australia must stop all fossil fuel use in industry.
    
    I’ve yet to learn of a new technology that replaces oil in the manufacture of solar panels and wind turbines.
    
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    March 21, 2023 11:54am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Then they bury the blades!
      
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      March 21, 2023 3:50pm
    - cjn
      
      And Australia signs up to USA and UK to buy and build weapons of mass destruction out of …??
      
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      March 21, 2023 7:41pm
      - LB
        
        Nuclear powered not nuclear armed, those are two very different things, nuclear armed would require a secure warhead storage and maintenance system which would at least double the cost for Australia, and the subs would need to be two to three times larger as ICBMs(nuclear missiles) are stored and fired from the rear of the sub and so require a much larger vessel, and more crew, and more infrastructure.
        
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        March 22, 2023 12:18am
  - I remember when
    
    Antonio Guterres will be ninety in 2040.
    Probably betting he will not be around.
    
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    March 21, 2023 2:39pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Liberalism is a mental disease – same applies to the ‘net zero’ wankers.
    
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    March 21, 2023 3:46pm
- Stellaboxer
  
  Climate change experts say New Zealand has a chance to show the world how it’s done when it comes to fighting climate change. This is something that the battling kiwi punching above his weight in unique New Zealand conditions and desperate to be noticed amongst the nations will I’m afraid find hard to resist.
  The thought of international adulation on such a scale as how to save the planet will have kiwi voting for anyone and anything. Well not all of us but enough. Evidence? Think leading the world in Covid response ( real or imagined) and its effect on a certain election.
  
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  March 21, 2023 9:13am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Stellaboxer – sadly you’re right. Most NZers are lovely, gullible fools.
    
    I know many who were insulted at being called “sheeple” during the pandemic, but the word is a perfect description of people who have lived in a benign and peaceful country for so long, they cannot for a moment imagine that their government could be as inept, cruel and tyrannical as Ardern’s was and is, due to the fact they still refuse to acknowledge any wrongdoing.
    
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    March 21, 2023 9:56am
    - Stellaboxer
      
      Indeed Clan I’ve heard us described as smiling zombies.
      
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      March 21, 2023 1:05pm
    - Mark Hanley
      
      Not just kiwis but most people vote on emotion not fact. That is how we got lumped with Adern and Hipkins (both utter failures beyond the podium) and that is how the UK got brexit which most of them are now regretting.
      
      I posted a challenge to the KB Luxon haters to set out the credentials of their preferred party/candidates but I’M STILL waiting for their responses.
      
      I guess it is easy to throw barbs but having to set out clear evidenced rationale for your preferred candidate/party is a bit harder. I wonder how many of the Luxon haters voted for Adern.
      
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      March 21, 2023 3:28pm
      - mawm
        
        So it seems if one criticises Luxon one has become a Luxon hater. Maybe us never-vote-Labour voters want an opposition leader with some grit and find that they are hugely disappointed by Luxon’s failure to take the ample opportunities handed to him by Jacinda. I cannot support someone who is a wet blanket and scared of frightening off the middle of the road voters, and who in all probability will deliver a slightly blue-tinged variation of the current government… but much more efficiently. I’m not the only one.
        
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        March 21, 2023 8:59pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        It will come a little surprise to most kiwiblog readers that the Luxon criticizers/haters can’t answer my questions. Who is your preferred prime minister and what is the clear evidenced rationale for your preferred candidate/party?
        
        I wonder how many of the Luxon haters voted for Adern?
        
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        March 22, 2023 7:19am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I remember when NCEA and the NZQF were heralded as world leading innovations in assessment of Educational Achievement and how other countries would be rushing to copy the systems…
    
    Strangely, no other country has…and it seems NZ is still fiddling around with trying to get a system of qualifications that mean something.
    https://ncea.education.govt.nz/
    
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    March 21, 2023 10:46am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Much the same as unit standards, A total disaster at least in my mind.
      
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      March 21, 2023 2:00pm
  - I remember when
    
    If we show the world how it’s done we still won’t be able to see the difference.
    Incidentally, we may even get a little bit more of the rest of the world’s GHGs.
    
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    March 21, 2023 2:44pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Climate Change. Look at the bunny.
  
  No wonder we are being asked to focus on this “science” rather than the covid /vaccine “science” which is being exposed overseas as the fraud it was.
  
  John Campbell shows footage of the USA house subcommittee investigations (which have been completely ignored in the msm) on the origin of the virus. The CDC director and virologist knew and expressed that it wasn’t scientifically plausible that covid had natural origins. And so was shut out of conversations with the WHO head and Fauci . And he discloses how the narrative was created and how 11 scientists on the phone call knew and expressed the wet market theory didn’t fit with evolutionary theory and 3 days later published a paper prompted by Fauci saying the exact opposite and said the origin WAS the wet market.
  
  John Campbell/ Usa covid hearings.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYiy2pclRxQ
  
  I want accountability from the last lot of dishonest “science” from the establishment before I’m prepared to care about anymore of their scaremongering.
  
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  March 21, 2023 9:17am
  - Surely Knott
    
    And while we are on the subject of dishonest, this bombshell investigation from lawyer Thomas Cramner and the shenanigans that happened in NZ.
    
    Which incredibly has not been in the msm.
    
    Should be pinned to the top of Kiwiblog and have a seperate post.
    
    “On 10 February 2021, Chris Hipkins, Minister for COVID-19 Response, was advised in a briefing paper from Dr Bloomfield about the limited data on disease transmission. Specifically, Hipkins was advised:
    
    We do not yet have conclusive evidence on the effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine at preventing or reducing transmission to be confident of the public health value of this vaccination, beyond the individual level. So, unlike testing, which had a clear public health benefit, vaccination at this point in time is expected to reduce risk through a reduction in the likelihood of severity of disease and onward transmission. This may change as more evidence becomes available. However, at this time, mandatory vaccination is unlikely to be a justified limitation of the right to refuse medical treatment under Section 11 of the Bill of Rights Act.”
    
    https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/thomas-cranmer-pfizer-vaccine-approval-in-nz-under-scrutiny-a-retrospective-analysis
    
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    March 21, 2023 9:24am
    - Thought Criminal
      
      I bet Chippy used data to make that decision. Like polling data on what the people wanted. Every day it seems less and less about the science.
      
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      March 21, 2023 9:33am
      - kowtow
        
        Data ?
        
        It was a phone call from some mysterious person to Ardern saying this was bad , very bad .
        
        Then we were locked down.
        
        The country deserves to know who and what .
        
        We are a democracy , aren’t we ………………….
        
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        March 21, 2023 1:19pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Nothing “incredible” at all about the lack of accountability by the msm. Remember, they are shills and stenographers every last one of them.
      They have become the most despicable profession in the country by a very long way.
      
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      March 21, 2023 9:58am
      - Opie
        
        Even worse than the politicians they fawn after?
        
        For me, the top 5 list of most despicable professions is:
        Politicians
        Media
        Real estate agents
        Academics
        Worksafe/health and safety advisors
        
        Honorable mention to car salesman, insurance brokers and lawyers.
        
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        March 21, 2023 10:39am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Opie – I pick the media because they are the primary tool that has permitted this nightmare. Willingly so.
        
        Politicians aren’t far behind, but I suppose I expect politicians to be dodgy. I expect journalists to possibly be partisan, but what they have enabled over the last 3 years is beyond the pale, and they know where their bread is buttered and will do exactly the same with the climate change bullshit. Absolute scum with very few exceptions.
        
        If you haven’t yet, check out the new online talkback/radio show. Our very own Rodney Hide is currently on, interviewing the gym owner who was persecuted by Ardern and Hipkins for daring to stand up to them.
        
        People like this will never get a voice in the cesspit of mainstream shills and stenographers.
        
        Here’s the link.
        
        https://realitycheck.radio/
        
        Support them and share this widely.
        
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        March 21, 2023 10:53am
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        Honorable mention to Government “communications experts”.
        
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        March 21, 2023 11:21am
      - kowtow
        
        “Jessica, then Tova”.
        
        Never forget , never forgive.
        
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        March 21, 2023 1:20pm
    - Justitia
      
      Cranmer’s dossier is really important, it confirms the mandates were totally illegitimate and of no public health benefit. But the msm won’t touch it, they are filth. It’s incumbent on us to share this information widely.
      
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      March 21, 2023 2:00pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  The Herald article is being debated at their FB page.
  
  https://www.facebook.com/nzherald.co.nz/posts/pfbid02AAD2ViMYWxy3sBYTt8EfuTJfSxuhbDJEk8hddBkufV59DDTqWv2wDBwjCQMr5Xdnl?comment_id=584369200318739&notif_id=1679346419427701&notif_t=feedback_reaction_generic&ref=notif
  
  One silly woman posted.
  
  “Nz can help the Chinese change their government through our example”
  
  This is what we are up against. Others may like to join the debate on the FB link above.
  
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  March 21, 2023 10:57am
Simon

With GAE vs BRICS NZ should be politically neutral and economically aligned with the BRCIS. Woke globalism of GAE is a train wreck and steady decline. Just look at the crime stats.
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March 21, 2023 8:03am
- hullkiwi
  
  So you want to align with China, and Russia both countries that do not value freedom of speech or democracy?
  
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  March 21, 2023 9:52am
  - sirknz
    
    Just like our current government then…
    
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    March 21, 2023 10:37am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    And NZ does comrade? Have you forgotten the lockdowns, thr firings and the treatment of the “River of filth”(tm)
    
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    March 21, 2023 10:46am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    hullkiwi – so what is different between them and NZ and the rest of the west? At least their economies are working unlike ours which are being systematically being destroyed by ideological idiots.
    
    Or maybe they are Chinese and Russian plants and this systematic annihilation of everything we know is deliberate? After all they are all Marxist loons. We know about Ardern’s connections to the socialist movement comrade……
    
    It’s about the only “conspiracy” that makes sense when you look at the insane policies these people are pushing.
    
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    March 21, 2023 10:59am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Clan, I didn’t say I agree with globalisation, I don’t.
      
      What is frightening is the control of the global industrialists, which can be tracked back to formation of the Bilderberg Group. This group have no scruples or morals other than their own success, continuation, power and dominance.
      
      Yes, Jax, Chippie & Co are socialists and they play this out by bending over for China etc. And they lie, distort the truth and use state institutions to ensure their authority.
      
      I find neither group acceptable
      
      For me, the only difference is that one group (ie. the Western Alliance) is meant to respect, democracy, the rule of law and freedom of speech, but the citizens of the west have failed to stand up for these principles while the BRICs never had them or pay lip service to them.
      
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      March 21, 2023 11:39am
  - kowtow
    
    India is turning into an ethno nationalist state , so perhaps we will be aligning with a country that our Elites share at least some “values” with .
    And as we’re turning ourselves vegan there’ll be even more common ground…….
    
    South Africa is running out of power generating capacity and has policies that favour one race over another ……….
    
    So maybe there’s something to be said for bricking it.
    
    Our economy is acting like a brick under this regime, so why not .
    
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    March 21, 2023 1:27pm
Simon

Too bad for Luxon that the Gweens & National have fallen out slightly. Luxon would have eaten vegetables fertilized with Ricardo March’s shit if it meant a National / Gween coalition govt.

Shaw’s theatre for the screaming Marxist crackpots which make up Gween membership allows Shaw’s snout in the trough for a wee while yet.
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March 21, 2023 8:04am
artemisia

Here are two stories about two huge sectors in the New Zealand economy.

Rental vacancy ads on Trademe tell a story – March 2022 – 9,700. March 2023 – 7,300.

New build homes for sale tell another story – March 2022 – 3,300. March 2023 – 6,300.

Any thoughts on what the stories are? I’m sure the mainstream media will be along any day now to tell us.

(This is raw national data, rounded. Different locations >> different stories.)
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March 21, 2023 8:10am
- Thought Criminal
  
  Do you mean the drongos?
  
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  March 21, 2023 9:35am
- hullkiwi
  
  Heard it last week, add property /construction company failures plus tradies being pursued by the IRD for unpaid taxes.
  
  Add to it international banks, who have loaned long, and borrowed short.
  
  Followed by Central banks propping up banks that “are too big to fail”
  
  = next credit squeeze = banks, governments and businesses have learnt nothing from all the previous failures of the banking systems since the “South Seas Bubble”.
  
  [Mod – fixed for you]
  
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  March 21, 2023 9:58am
- Mark Hanley
  
  My guess is that 30,000 new migrants are choosing to rent so they can see where the NZ housing market lands. If we continue to net 30,000 migrants a month, they may find house prices starting to turn positive.
  
  Unfortunately, because of this Labour government’s woeful performance and wasted billions, our only hope of economic growth is more migrants.
  
  Government’s have to invest in quality infrastructure to increase productivity and as a result your income.
  
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  March 21, 2023 10:06am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    But but but50000 now leaving a year, and going by texts to radio today, we will be losing a huge amount more highly skilled people, this is becoming a crisis
    
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    March 21, 2023 12:11pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      I wonder where they will go . Australia is rapidly being run into the ground by near total woke-idiot capture also.
      
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      March 21, 2023 7:30pm
Bridgenag

Edward Dowd Presents Irrefutable Evidence Vaccine Mandates Killed & Disabled Countless Americans

“Unless we have a new virus that knows you’re working, there’s no explanation for it.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/vigilantfox/p/edward-dowd-presents-irrefutable?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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March 21, 2023 8:12am
- mawm
  
  Both the data that Dowd presents and that which MP Andrew Bridgen presented in Westminster tell a story of the scale of the crime perpetrated upon us.
  
  For those who missed it here’s the link.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvSHD_n3Lyg
  
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  March 21, 2023 9:44am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Bet that gets covered in our Royal Commission. Not.
  
  As Ive said – people need to be put in prison for the shit that they forced on us.
  
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  March 21, 2023 9:49am
Surely Knott

Headline doesn’t reflect reality NZ Herald.
“Abusive partner must sell houses, give 1/2 proceeds to mother of his four children.”

Except the man is not the one in trouble with the law for abuse and there is no mention or details of abuse in the article at all.

It was the mother who went to jail for benefit fraud. Both the man and the woman plead guilty to the charge. But the woman went to jail so presuming it was her that received the benefit while living with the man.

But here’s the rub, the man has “2 properties acquired and lived in while the couple were together” that he now has to sell and share with her.

So what about the taxpayer? How much did the two of them steal. Did they pay any reparations at the time? Shouldn’t the man be selling the house so the two of them can pay back the money.

The Headline should read: “Benefit fraudster will receive 1/2 of the two properties they acquired during their relationship.”
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March 21, 2023 8:16am
peterwn

DomPost headline this morning:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131546192/game-on-in-wellington-central-labours-ibrahim-omer-vs-greens-tamatha-paul
This pronounces ‘Game On’ – a fight between Greens and Labour for the Wellington Central seat as if it is a two way fight.
No mention of National though. The National candidate has yet to be selected and this is due late April once the necessary processes are worked through and delegates’ ‘meet the candidates’ meetings are held. Interestingly the DomPost did not mention a possible scenario where the Left support is fairly evenly divided such that the National candidate rides to victory through the split. To avoid this happening the two Left candidates will be working hard to bag the Left vote or will one chicken out late in the piece and throw him or her self under the bus.
Most likely the Left candidate who makes the bigger and more successful ‘splash’ will collect most of the Left votes.
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March 21, 2023 8:18am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Not really. Labour has already thrown the seat. An immigrant who nobody has ever heard of against a “you go gurrll” young green councilor. It’s not hard. Hopefully both stay in and split the left vote, but watch this space….
  
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  March 21, 2023 9:18am
  - Swifty
    
    Interesting – has there been any credible reasons given why the relatively obscure Omer has won over the anointed Szabo?
    
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    March 21, 2023 9:45am
- pdm
  
  As I recall Richard Prebble held Wellington Central when ACT Leader.
  
  So maybe not a sinecure for the left.
  
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  March 21, 2023 9:54am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  There is one article about this right above that very article, that states is now a three horse race
  
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  March 21, 2023 12:12pm
- alwyn.a
  
  “No mention of National though”
  Of course not. As far as Stuff is concerned there are no Politicians except those from The Greens and Labour.
  In the Council elections last year they behaved, and wrote about, only three candidates. The talked about Eagle, Whanau and Foster. I’m sure they would have ignored Foster if they could have but that was a bit hard when he was the sitting Mayor. The were also the only candidates that were invited to be in the debates. Everyone else was ignored.
  They totally ignored the best candidate, who even though he was ignored by the media, did very well. If Chung had been in the paper, and allowed into the debates that Stuff organised he might have won and would certainly have come no worse than second. However as far as Stuff is concerned he was a non-person. In the same way for Parliament there is no-one except a couple from Labour and the Greens.
  
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  March 21, 2023 1:16pm
Maggie Pie

Tell ya’ what…gotta give them nosey-parkers from Te Kawatanga o Aotearoa full marks for persistence. We’ve now received 4 reminder letters and three sets of Census Forms…..the latest lot being shoved under our pedestrian gate (wtf with that?)

Anyway, can hardly wait for the day to come when I show them the receipt I’ve saved from David Jones in Sydney, for the Carla Zampatti outfit I bought @11:48am on Tuesday 7th March.

LOL!!!
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March 21, 2023 8:21am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What has the Census got to do with them? Or am I missing something?
  
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  March 21, 2023 8:37am
  - Ehlana
    
    Te Kawanatanga o Aotearoa aka the New Zealand Government.
    
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    March 21, 2023 8:51am
    - mandk
      
      I wonder how many of the 800,000 or so people in NZ who identify as Maori could tell you that.
      
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      March 21, 2023 8:58am
      - Surely Knott
        
        Correction. The survey doesn’t ask if you “identify” as Maori. It says “Do you descend from Maori (eg have a parent grandparent great grandparent)” . And the answer is binary – yes or no.
        
        So with ethnicity and Maoridom our government are asking for proof . Yet scientists say that race (just like gender) is a social construct yet the census treats asks for some sort of proof. Gender is also a social construct but asking for proof is rude and you go by how you feel and identify. And anyone can access the benefits given to the weaker sex by just identifying as a woman.
        
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        March 21, 2023 9:39am
      - alwyn.a
        
        @SK
        The answer actually has a third option.
        You could also say “Don’t Know”
        I said that just to see what they did about it. And, after all, it might be true. I don’t actually know anything about my Great Great Grandparents.
        
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        March 21, 2023 11:52am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Got it. That is the R. T. Rower Govt, not the New Zealand Govt.
      
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      March 21, 2023 11:06am
  - mawm
    
    Steve – The date and time stamp.
    
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    March 21, 2023 9:47am
- Grumpy Silver Haired Female
  
  Clearly an information disconnect between immigration, ( who knew you were overseas because they registered your passport leaving and returning ) and the census department. Are we surprised? There is a great deal of evidence of zero communication between government departments that could be expected to share information.
  
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  March 21, 2023 8:38am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    You don’t want information sharing of that kind. The census information is strictly confidential to STATS NZ. At an individual level, the information is shared with no other government agency.
    
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    March 21, 2023 9:03am
    - gravedodger
      
      BS to that Widogast Corwin, in the later decades of last century I put a line through the ethnicity options and hand wrote on the personal Census form;
      “I AM A NATIVE BORN NEW ZEALANDER”
      During the following years I was pursued by multiple government persons along with some allied race based entities to offer assistance in discovering my “IWI”. Amongst those offering help was a certain ex padre and Gov Gen going by the name Reeves.
      I have since been able to resign the exalted status but it was not that simple.
      
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      March 21, 2023 10:59am
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        I guess I am accepting Stats NZ assurances at face value.
        
        https://www.census.govt.nz/your-info/privacy-security-and-confidentiality-principles/
        
        Any staff there who shared your census data would be in breach of the statutory declaration they sign promising not to do so. They would face criminal charges.
        
        Maybe you had a bad apple. Who knows.
        
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        March 21, 2023 12:02pm
    - Grumpy Silver Haired Female
      
      I have to assume that you are being ironic. Yes, identifying individual respondents to the census is a no, no, no but you miss my point, which is that there is government information that needs to be shared to stop needless double handling of individuals’ requirements.
      
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      March 21, 2023 11:03am
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        No I am not being ironic. Of course government information should be shared. But Immigration New Zealand telling the census folk who is in New Zealand should not be a thing.
        
        The only way the census can work is if it is, literally, cut off from all other government agencies. That is guaranteed in law and staff who break that law can face criminal charges.
        
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        March 21, 2023 12:05pm
    - Paulus
      
      Yea, I believe you – thousands wouldn’t.
      So Census information is not available to anybody except the Stats department.
      Well I suppose so once they have been modified, and leaked to whomsoever.
      
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      March 21, 2023 1:35pm
- MCōs
  
  Ring them up and tell them you were out of the the country at the time.
  Immigration can confirm if they have their doubts.
  
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  March 21, 2023 8:53am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    They won’t contact immigration. They will take your word for it.
    
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    March 21, 2023 9:04am
- peterwn
  
  Seems the ‘household’ part of the census needs to be completed even if the house is vacant on census night. This would indicate that no one was living there on census night.
  
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  March 21, 2023 9:02am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Don’t fret Maggie Pie..
  I rushed back from Oz on Tuesday 7th March to register that I lived with a disabled male, had negligible income, and lived in a mouldy house.
  
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  March 21, 2023 9:10am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YIP… and had I been here to fill ours in, would have told them exactly the same thing 😀
    
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    March 21, 2023 9:19am
- Grumpy Silver Haired Female
  
  Reading through the comments, I am troubled that so many commenters see the census as an intrusion on privacy, where, as has been commented, the data collected is individually protected. Also, census data is used in many areas of government planning: demographic information used for supply of services, for example – or would be if public servants had any understanding of statistics and management. I conclude that the general tone of comments is evidence of our lack of trust in the ability and integrity of government departments. Pompous, much.
  
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  March 21, 2023 11:07am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    Maybe its the woke Gender questions that have put people off doing census forms. All well and good developing data at the mesh block level to figure out primary school building needs etc, its another to ask if someone identifies as one of a million different sexual identities. Frankly the sexual identities stuff is private business and should stay that way.
    
    As with all surveys the way the questions are framed especially when requiring a pick from list answer are totally open to gaming and get responses to justify political and policy stances the person being survey is very much against…
    
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    March 21, 2023 2:47pm
Swifty

A suggestion for National.

Should the election in Oct be won, in the first week assemble all the key education ministry officials, union leaders and educational academics and task them with getting us to the top of the OECD in primary and secondary educational outcomes within ten years – and we want to be halfway there (compared to where we are now) within five.

Our objective and plan is to be number one in the world.

Give them 100 days to come up with a plan, of no more than 20 pages, and what they say they will require to achieve it. Then give it to them and do everything we can to ensure that objective is achieved.

If or when the unions and Labour object, scream and yell, oppose and poo poo, then let they explain to New Zealanders why it can’t be done and why NZ kids must languish and leave school barely able to write a sentence. Let the unions explain why teachers ‘won’t support it’.

Let the whole country see who exactly is ‘for the children’.

If we’re not at least halfway there in five years, heads will roll, the whole sector will be upended, the whole sector privatised and students directly funded.

A once in a hundred year opportunity to get us back to where we should be, and once were I’m told – number one.
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March 21, 2023 8:22am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  Sorry that is a terrible idea. The Ministry of Education is a bloated cesspit of woke activists. It needs to be burnt to the ground. The unions will never change. They need the treatment that Ronald Reagan gave the air traffic controllers. Google it if you are unfamiliar.
  
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  March 21, 2023 9:08am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Yup, give them a go, but ask Alwyn Poole and the Nz initiative (Bryce Wilkinson) to also bid. May the best plan win!
    
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    March 21, 2023 9:20am
  - Swifty
    
    You may be right that the whole thing needs burning to the ground – but, they are the self-proclaimed educational experts, first give them a chance to succeed. All bets are off, tell us what you need to get us to No 1 in the world in the next ten years and then go and do it.
    
    It’ll be their plan, and if they fail it will all be on them. Forever after NZers will know they were all full of hot air and never to be trusted again.
    
    If they succeed, then we all win.
    
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    March 21, 2023 9:38am
    - Bob
      
      first give them a chance to succeed…..
      they are the incumbents, they already have a chance, opportunity and employment to succeed.
      They aren’t up to such a challenge, that is why we are down near the bottom of the achievement ratings.
      
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      March 21, 2023 9:53am
    - Widogast Corwin
      
      But in your plan, that wastes 5 years and a heap of money. Not even counting the further impact on school children.
      
      No this needs action on multiple fronts. A small hand picked taskforce develops the plan, preferably reporting to Seymour. Meanwhile Ministry gets burnt to the ground in the background and a new fit for purpose agency created.
      
      I have had a bit to do with the Ministry of Education. This is the only way. Trust me 🙂
      
      As for the unions, I don’t see any option other than the nuclear option. I just don’t.
      
      https://www.npr.org/2021/08/05/1025018833/looking-back-on-when-president-reagan-fired-air-traffic-controllers
      
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      March 21, 2023 9:58am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      Only downsides are:
      
      1. They don’t care, if you let them kick the can down the road, they will win. Bureacrats love inertia.
      
      2. The collateral damage of a generation of lost kids.
      
      Thus is one area where you really do need to salt the earth. Teacher unio ns are absolutely the problem. Rent seekers to the last one.
      
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      March 21, 2023 10:51am
Swifty

Verity Johnson – she’s part of the problem:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/131547186/verity-johnson-wayne-brown-played-us-for-mugs-on-budget

A pathological and ruinous inability to prioritise.
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March 21, 2023 8:25am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  A no nothing journalist who interviews herself for her “opinion” column. Meh. I think Brown is a dick, but I am enjoying the show!
  
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  March 21, 2023 9:21am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Why do you think Brown is a dick?
    
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    March 21, 2023 7:32pm
- Burtland
  
  “actually we could borrow another $75 million” – Vacuous Verity
  
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  March 21, 2023 10:02am
- sirknz
  
  Don’t get me started on her terrible similes in every opinion piece she writes.
  
  She writes similes like a 14 year old girl who has just discovered them in her high school English class.
  
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  March 21, 2023 10:42am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Cutting!
    
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    March 21, 2023 1:26pm
kevn

@Maggie… Clearly your data is critical to the cause.
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March 21, 2023 8:27am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Kevy…meant to mention this to you months ago.
  When you comment on my posts could you please klik on ‘REPLY’ rather than start a new thread all the time.
  Appreciated.
  
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  March 21, 2023 8:33am
  - kevn
    
    @Maggie… So bossy lol.
    
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    March 21, 2023 9:44am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      😀
      
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      March 21, 2023 10:11am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘It rubs the Lotion in or…’
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QRqXBsgnYok
        
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        March 21, 2023 12:41pm
nathie

Will Chippie last as Labour leader until the election?

Might seem a crazy question to ask but I was surprised at how tired and worn out Hipkins looked on the tv news yesterday, plus his fumbling of answers to do with the appointment of the new Police Minister and his contradictory answers to lobbying.

On today’s morning radio rounds he was getting called out by both Hosking and Tova.

Seems like the media are now “gloves off” when it comes to putting hard questions to Hipkins as the PM and not taking “no” for an answer (unlike it was when Ardern was PM).

Might be a hard road ahead this year for both “the boy from the Hutt” (Chippie) and “the girl from the Hutt” (Ginny)!
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March 21, 2023 8:30am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Obviously the police poetfolio is a poison chalice. Can’t be given to a white bloke because it upsets the caucus factions, so let’s give it to a sacrificial lamb. If it goes OK, she’ll win hutt South if not well no loss.
  
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  March 21, 2023 9:24am
- Bob
  
  media are now “gloves off”…..
  they have realised that in 6 months time the TROUGH is going to be DRAINED, and never refilled!
  
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  March 21, 2023 9:55am
- jon
  
  Would have thought toxic Tova would have been long gone, from her radio slot with its dismal listnership ratings.
  
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  March 21, 2023 10:07am
- Paulus
  
  It has been reported previously that the two Hutters are good friends.
  
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  March 21, 2023 10:46am
- NothingLeft
  
  New governance approach for labour is to switch ministers of their most embarrassingly underperforming areas every few months so that they can perpetually deny any personal responsibility for failures as it was before their time and they are still just coming up to speed.
  
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  March 21, 2023 11:09am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  If you look at candidates so far, there is a huge educational background of many candidates, and the same in health, with the crew they can assemble all hope may not be lost
  
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  March 21, 2023 12:18pm
- Weinerpoop
  
  I was thinking exactly the same thing after seeing Hipkins last night and hearing him this morning. If he goes it would be Wood that gets it, better if Hpikns stays and then Wood is the leader of opposition as they would stay in opposition for as long as he is leader of the Labour party.
  
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  March 21, 2023 12:52pm
Paulus

Has anybody got a date when the new Wealth Tax (Levy) will cut in ?
Understood to be 2% to cover (only Ha !) the recent Cyclone infrastructure damage.

It is said that Grant Robertson has lost is Mojo, whatever that is.
We know he wants out, as he and Chippie are not quote bosom pals, as he and Jacinda were.
I am told he is sometimes being nice to people ! – not like the usual rude arrogant person he normally is.
Looks athough Chippie wants to put himself far away from Grant as part of his vote trying exercise.
Not Me G’uvnor it was “I’m.
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March 21, 2023 8:33am
Tomtoddy

“Stick to your knitting” was advice that many of us received starting out in business. “Don’t get distracted from your core activity”. It was good advice. Too many businesses try to go to wide at the expense of going deep, take on matters unrelated to their main reason for being. It spreads resources, distracts managers, wastes time and money and will even wreck an otherwise sound business.

Silicon Valley Bank may not have donated $75 million to BLM but it did spend that money on social and justice causes, making a huge feature of diversity. The $75 million didn’t bring them down but useless distractions for management and senior staff clearly played a crucial role. Core business got less time and attention. Result – failure.

Be warned, Mr Orr.
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March 21, 2023 8:37am
- Swifty
  
  Too late.
  
  The damage is done.
  
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  March 21, 2023 8:45am
sirknz

Yay! More communism for Auckland courtesy of central government.

https://archive.fo/ybqZF [NZ Horrid]

Plans to drop the kilometres driven by private vehicles by 2035 to aid with preventing the end of the world, I mean climate change mitigation. The AA are next to useless with this one by saying that we should be doing something instead of talking about it.

Who will this impact the most? The people who have to drive to their job from the other side of town because public transport won’t get them there because the journey is either too long, or there is no PT running at their start or finish times.
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March 21, 2023 8:45am
- emmess
  
  Okay, so I am supposed to rely on public transport?
  Oh, the Auckland eastern train line is shut down for nine months?
  Buses are routinely cancelled so I have to wait half an hour just to get on,
  Right, got it.
  
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  March 21, 2023 8:57am
  - mandk
    
    Don’t worry, emmess.
    
    You won’t be able to travel beyond your neighbourhood without the permission of your gauleiter.
    
    Problem solved.
    
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    March 21, 2023 9:24am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      15 minute city to you comrade, non essential travel is forbidden!
      
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      March 21, 2023 10:52am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        I can see all this leading to a very nasty shit show worse than the Soviet Union or China’s “great leap forward”.
        
        A Simple Reason Why Net Zero Is Impossible:
        https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/03/18/a-simple-reason-why-net-zero-is-impossible/
        
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        March 21, 2023 7:45pm
  - Inandout
    
    emm, move out of Auckland. Citizens of hopelessly woke US cities move to saner States. It is not going to get any better in Auckland.
    
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    March 21, 2023 9:48am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    “Okay, so I am supposed to rely on public transport?”
    
    Yes in the world according to the Greens, that is exactly what you are supposed to do. If they get your way you will be compelled to do so. Or ride a bike.
    
    If you don’t like that option, quit your job and find a new job within walking or cycling distance from your home.
    
    If there is a Labour-Green government expect to see this become a reality.
    
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    March 21, 2023 10:03am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  If everyone is switching to EVs why does it matter how far we drive? It is all about control.
  
  I might take the day off and drive to Bluff for no reason.
  
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  March 21, 2023 9:13am
  - Inandout
    
    WC, on the subject of EVs.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urK7qjbpwSo
    
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    March 21, 2023 9:51am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  The technology is already available that would allow your car to be disabled once you use up your weekly ‘distance allowance’. I have absolutely no doubt that the Greens would implement such a policy without hesitation.
  
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  March 21, 2023 10:00am
- ClanMcleod
  
  sirknz – stay tuned for the soon to be the norm “15 minute city” sound bite. Or if we’re lucky we’ll get 20 minutes.
  
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  March 21, 2023 11:02am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Saw four traffic cops on Tamaki Drive on Sunday morning and between the lane closures due to new sidewalk construction and the lovely new traffic lights/crossing just 200m beyond the old set at the bridge, that allow one cyclist to fuck up traffic flow every few minutes, I think their plan is moving forward fast.
  
  My response is simply to stay the hell away from the CBD. If they don’t want cars then they don’t me or the business I bring. Plenty of other parts of Auckland do, starting with Newmarket.
  
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  March 21, 2023 11:09am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The AA have been worse than useless for decades ever since they signed onto the Government feeding trough. They just echo the Government lines.
  
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  March 21, 2023 3:08pm
Ehlana

Today is the autumn equinox, a time to celebrate and give thanks for the harvest and to prepare for the winter to come.

It is also World Vermouth Day, so brush up on your cocktails.
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March 21, 2023 8:49am
Southern Raider

This is a national disgrace and should be held up as a prime example of the racist state we are heading towards.

The Smith family successfully won in the High Court to keep Moana who they have looked after for last 4 years. Yet OT Napier and the child’s birth family have continued to harass the Smith family and are taking them to the Supreme Court. So we now have a young girl who has ended up with a positive and loving upbringing is now going to be handed back into OT, most likely be abused and end up on welfare/prison for life.

This is fucken terrible outcome for that girl. The big questions are 1) how is OT Napier able to operate outside of any national oversight 2) where is the fucken Minister 3) who is behind this funding constant lawyers and a Supreme Court case

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/oranga-tamariki-moana-custody-case-foster-parents-give-girl-back-to-state-amid-unviable-situation/M6OV5FQAXBEYTL7LKXZUGKM6AU/
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March 21, 2023 8:53am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  OT will have an enormous budget for legal stuff.
  
  The Maori birth parents probably get legal aid.
  
  It is indeed a shameful outcome.
  
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  March 21, 2023 9:15am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  On Sunday I wondered why Stuff was running a puff piece on the CEO of Oranga Tamariki.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300831524/hes-the-legal-father-of-thousands-meet-chappie-te-kani
  
  Now we know….
  
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  March 21, 2023 9:17am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  The kids welfare and life is fucked, but hey her maunga has been preserved.
  
  Fucking travesty.
  
  OT needs to be ashamed, bit of course bureaucrats are shameless.
  
  Hope the “family” and their flea lawyer are proud.
  
  This is why only baby farmers are willing to be foster parents anymore.
  
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  March 21, 2023 9:28am
- Hometruth
  
  Moral of the story dont take in a Moari child from OT. If you are the wrong colour they will soon be removed. Thanks for all the hard work trying to help the unfotunate child with shit parants.
  
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  March 21, 2023 10:16am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Or do but then leave the country ASAP and give the kid a chance to grow up unencumbered by the racist shit being foist upon NZ by the regressive woke bigots.
    
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    March 21, 2023 10:39am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Unlikely to be able to take the child out of the country. Getting a passport, for starters.
      
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      March 21, 2023 6:30pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  They keep pushing the need for by Maori, for Maori solutions. Isn’t this what the Mongrel Mob is?
  
  Time we had by Maori, for Maori, funded by Maori solutions!
  
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  March 21, 2023 5:58pm
Pineapple Lumps

Greens and MSM are currently leading attacks on democracy seeking to cancel Let Women Speak leader Kellie-Jay Keen from attending rallies in Auckland and Wellington.

Last night I heard Polly Gillespie equating KJK to the mosque terrorist and stating we shouldn’t be letting people who spread hate into the country.

I don’t want to spread hate against trans people but I do want to protect women and children from paedophiles. They are master manipulators who will quite willingly use the trans movement as a Trojan horse to enact their deviant ways on the vulnerable.

Why can’t we debate anymore in NZ? Too many standing by thinking ignoring this will make it go away.

If you can get to Auckland’s Albert Park – this Saturday – 11am-1pm
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March 21, 2023 9:00am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  I commented on this extensively yesterday. I won’t wear out my welcome today 🙂
  
  Only one comment. I heard Chris Hipkins yesterday say when asked about Kellie Jay Keen that ‘people should not use free speech to create division in society’. 😳 He and Jacinda master minded the COVID elimination strategy. That sure created some division.
  
  These journalists who keep calling her far right are looking up her Wikipedia page which of course is constantly edited by activists. I bet none of them have listened to her speeches or to the women at her events.
  
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  March 21, 2023 9:22am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Funny how those “neo nazis” miraculously turn up for the media circus. They must think we are stupid, just like the US tiki “protesters”
    
    Bunch of glowies.
    
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    March 21, 2023 9:31am
    - Widogast Corwin
      
      The media are now running the line that the Nazis were Kellie-Jay’s supporters.
      
      If you watch the video of the event, the trans activists were screaming abuse at the women. The nazis show up and did their salute. The trans activists totally ignored the nazis. They just kept screaming at the women speaking.
      
      If I speak at some event and a bunch of nazis show up, how does that make me a nazi sympathiser?
      
      These ‘journalists’ don’t even pretend any longer. They are all socialist agitators.
      
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      March 21, 2023 10:12am
  - nathie
    
    Don’t know much about Kellie Jay Keen (never heard of her before) but saw Newshub’s coverage (Sun/Mon) of the Melbourne event and I could be wrong … but about those “Neo Nazi’s” who appeared to be dressed immaculately and with matching attire, I was wondering if they were “Anti Fa” playing dress up (compared to the sloppiness and variation of clothing one normally attributes to the far-right of the past)?
    
    Then again some of them were wearing “tight” shorts – can we be sure it wasn’t a bunch of gay activist protesters also playing dress up to rark up KJK and the Women organisers? 😉
    
    (Why can’t the Plod arrest “Neo Nazi’s and Anti Fa” at such protests so they can go to Court and we can all figure out who they are and whether they are genuine or not)!
    
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    March 21, 2023 10:27am
    - James Stephenson
      
      Don’t know much about Kellie Jay Keen
      
      In which case, I highly recommend that you check out one of her several interviews on the Triggernometry YouTube channel.
      
      Two thoughts that occur to me:
      
      1) note how $1uff are calling her an “anti-trans” rather than “womens’ rights” activist.
      
      2) I must be a Nazi sympathiser because I have a track record of attending some events where they have been present, viz England football matches.
      
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      March 21, 2023 1:32pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        A Millwall fan, eh?
        
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        March 21, 2023 6:32pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Wido – thanks for bringing this to our attention. Otherwise the context of the MSM bias would not have been so obvious.
    
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    March 21, 2023 5:54pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  Polly Gillespie – political genius /sarc
  
  I find it amusing and amazing in equal measures that Lefties especially female Lefties who have campaigned for feminism all my life, are now trying to strip woman of privilege’s like separate changing rooms and toilets AND are campaigning to allow children to have irrevocable physical changes via surgery or hormone treatment before they have reached even the age of sexual consent.
  
  Bizzare!
  
  If adults want to transition all good. But born woman shouldn’t have to have men in dresses in their private spaces…
  
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  March 21, 2023 9:29am
  - kowtow
    
    Yes , I now realise that the “campaigning” was never about the particular cause . It was about revolutionary activism and still is .
    
    Climate , gender ,race etc
    
    The Marxists are simply using these issues to smash the existing capitalist order and to bring about their worker’s paradise.
    
    Funnily enuff in today’s Whoreald there’s a huge fear porn article about the end of the world , no longer religious sin induced but carbon sin induced and te media pardy’s darling of the moment James Renwick quoted ;
    “Renwick saw tackling the root causes of climate change as a huge opportunity for humanity to bring about a more equitable and sustainable world”.
    
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    March 21, 2023 10:14am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      kowtow – I’m doing well, I’ve lived through at least 6 “end of the world’s” since I was born in the 50s. Amazing. Take that dinosaurs……
      
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      March 21, 2023 11:05am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    I watched an interesting interview with Jordan Peterson on trans issues. He has looked at the literature and makes these points..
    
    Before the trans epidemic, boys who ‘thought they were girls’ were given counselling and support. As they went through puberty the vast majority of these men settled down, with about 80 percent of them identifying as gay men, about 10 percent identified as heterosexual, and about 10 percent did actually become transgender.
    
    Now, if any boy says to their parent (or teacher) “I am a girl”, that is accepted at face value and the boy is given puberty blockers and in increasing numbers of cases, surgery. I think that is insane and nothing will convince me otherwise.
    
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    March 21, 2023 10:18am
    - James Stephenson
      
      It seems to me that it’s just not possible for the LG bit of the alphabet people to not be in conflict with the TI bit anymore.
      
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      March 21, 2023 2:17pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    In a decade the data will be in – we will have a clear picture in long-term relative mental health and suicide stats for transgendered vs previous approaches to know which is, in general, best for the long term outlook of those involved.
    
    I’m betting push for medical transitioning will have turned out to be a massive mistake driven by deluded and superficially informed far-left activists as usual excited by the prospect of revolution regardless of how ill-founded, and careless/ignorant of the real harm they are doing.
    
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    March 21, 2023 10:46am
  - Justitia
    
    Yep,” if you’re born with a dick, you ain’t a chick”. What could be more straightforward?
    
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    March 21, 2023 2:07pm
    - Widogast Corwin
      
      Going back 50 years there have always been a small number of men who were determined to become women. They were regarded as a curiosity.
      
      However things are now totally out of control. Like climate change, ‘trans’ has become a cult.
      
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      March 21, 2023 4:03pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Small? Try tiny.
        
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        March 21, 2023 6:35pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Good to see Willis say let her in
  
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  March 21, 2023 12:19pm
- Widogast Corwin
  
  Just been watching the Hobart event by Kellie Jay Keen this afternoon.
  
  The police let it get out of control. Watch from about the 58 minute mark onwards.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt09IHWLi_E
  
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  March 21, 2023 4:00pm
Yvette

Sometimes it may be mildly interesting when you Google one thing and find another thing –

From the Waitangi Tribunal’s website –

THE TREATY OF WAITANGI / TE TIRITI O WAITANGI
Waitangi Tribunal > The Treaty of Waitangi/Te Tiriti o Waitangi > Meaning of the Treaty

A Treaty of two texts

Article 1
In the Māori text of article 1, Māori gave the British ‘kawanatanga’, the right of governance, whereas in the English text, Māori ceded ‘sovereignty’.

One of the problems that faced the original drafters of the te reo Māori text of the Treaty was that ‘sovereignty’ had no direct equivalent in the context of Māori society. Rangatira (chiefs) exercised full authority (‘mana’) over land and resources on behalf of the wider community.

The term used in the te reo Māori version, ‘kawanatanga’, was a transliteration of the word ‘governance’, which was then in current use. Māori understanding of this word came from familiar use in the New Testament of the Bible (when referring to the likes of Pontius Pilate), and from their knowledge of the role of the Governor of New South Wales, whom they referred to as ‘Kawana‘
https://www.waitangitribunal.govt.nz/treaty-of-waitangi/meaning-of-the-treaty/

So where does the idea of “co-governance” come from? Not from Pilate, that’s for sure

“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history” ― George Orwell
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March 21, 2023 9:05am
- Matt Long
  
  The idea of co governance came from a bunch of clever people with a good eye for the main chance.
  
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  March 21, 2023 11:35am
  - kowtow
    
    Finlayson comes to mind.
    
    Didn’t he kick it off with “co management”.
    
    Give an inch and all that .
    
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    March 21, 2023 1:52pm
Maggie Pie

And pleasing to see where over half of Canadians have voted in support for the return of ‘CAPITAL PUNISHMENT’ for murder convictions!

The latest survey shows 57% believe it would deter potential murderers….. while 55% say let the punishment fit the crime.

https://researchco.ca/2023/03/17/death-penalty-canada-2023/

If a similar Survey was held here, I know from the people we speak to the result would be nearer 95%
Just saying.
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March 21, 2023 9:07am
- NothingLeft
  
  Meh, generally seems to be more expensive than just dumping them in jail for life.
  
  What is really needed is cheaper options for long term incarceration. So we can get bad bastards off the streets for longer without large tax bills. I like the idea of establishing jails on pacific islands recipients of NZ financial aid. They get jobs and we get something in return for the half billion a year in aid we send in the form of cheaper prisons.
  
  And of course the mostly Maori prison population of NZ would receive wonderfully culturally sensitive care from pacific island jailers who understand all their colonial angst.
  
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  March 21, 2023 9:34am
  - Blog-aholic
    
    Kermadic Island works for me. Dystopian prisoner Island movie theme and all ….
    
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    March 21, 2023 10:20am
    - G152
      
      No. Somewhere more Antarctic would be better
      
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      March 21, 2023 12:14pm
      - NothingLeft
        
        Expensive to house them on a southern ocean island, with expensive shelter, no local labour, imported fuel for heating and all food needing to be imported as well as a lack of existing transport infrastructure (need an airport).
        
        Labour costs are very low on pacific islands (Fiji minimum wage only $3/hr), and you don’t even need walls etc, just a securely fenced compound and some sun shade. Maybe only 20% of cost of NZ jail.
        
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        March 21, 2023 12:32pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Somehow I doubt our Pacific Island neighbours want them.
    
    But I do like the idea of them contributing to defray costs. For example, we have a housing shortage. How about they set to work and make earth bricks for marae housing? The more skilled could make kitset homes – and those closer to release could work to put them up.
    Since many of the victims of crime committed by Maori are other Maori, that should work well. You owe every family you have offended against a houseload of bricks. When you’ve made them, you can apply for parole.
    
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    March 21, 2023 10:35am
    - Paulus
      
      I am sure that Pacific Islands would take them for a price – like Nauru (which is a true shithole).
      
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      March 21, 2023 10:57am
  - NothingLeft
    
    NZ corrections dept costs $2.2billion a year. Bet we could more than halve that with pacific island prisons. And if we started putting crims in jail for longer we’d save the country a large fraction of the >$10 billion a year that crime costs the general public.
    
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    March 21, 2023 12:21pm
    - Ghost
      
      Pacific island prisons? So sun, warmth, hmmmm, sounds better than our cold summers, where can I sign up?
      
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      March 21, 2023 12:36pm
  - kowtow
    
    How expensive is a piece of rope that can be reused as often as necessary .
    
    The steps , trap door etc can be made in the prison workshop .
    
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    March 21, 2023 1:58pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Would we have to take them back at the end of their sentences?
    
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    March 21, 2023 6:39pm
JJ56

I see in the course of one Web page https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/03/prime-minister-chris-hipkins-responds-to-anti-transgender-activist-posie-parker-s-threats.html that in the body reports Posie “suggested she could take legal action against the media and politicians for describing her as ‘anti-transgender’ and saying to Hipkins to “revoke my visa at your peril”, becoming the “threat” of the headline.

And here I was hoping for a decent stouch, it turns out to be a damp squib. Can’t trust Newshub’s headlines, just click bait (and not the least bit prejudiced).
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March 21, 2023 9:16am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  I watched her video last night where she threatened legal action against journalists. I don’t like her chances of success.
  
  Also I don’t think Hipkins will directly stop her entering New Zealand. He will leave that to Immigration NZ. You have no recourse if you are refused entry to New Zealand. She won’t be able to board her plane in Australia. The end.
  
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  March 21, 2023 9:27am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He has said he will stay out of it, but we have seen their way of staying out before, behind the scenes he will be pulling strings
    
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    March 21, 2023 12:21pm
    - Paulus
      
      Remember Ardern stayed out of all sorts of things after giving the instructions what to do, and see she is not mentioned.
      
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      March 21, 2023 1:41pm
Maggie Pie

Had a little smile to myself when I read this story in The Horrid 😀

‘Pregnant New Zealand woman Lisa Muir, who needs hospital care in India wants to come home.
But Immigration NZ (INZ) is refusing to grant a visa to her Indian husband Rahul Sharma. INZ does not believe their relationship is genuine or stable’

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1637661502424358912

‘INZ had concerns that Sharma may have entered the relationship with Muir to facilitate a visa pathway to New Zealand’

Noooooooo…..
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March 21, 2023 9:39am
- Ghost
  
  How rude, she obviously married him to get an Indian visa……
  
  So married, he cheated on her, police complaints. He had non consensual sex with a woman, hmm, there is a word for that.
  
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  March 21, 2023 9:51am
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, with a name Sharma I would imagine his chances are zilch anyway.
  
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  March 21, 2023 10:29am
Black with a Vengeance

‘Vile people’: Sam Neill lashes out at Kiwi attitudes, Jacinda Ardern haters

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2023/03/sam-neill-says-nz-has-some-vile-people-out-there-turned-into-a-nation-of-complainers.html
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I don’t think there’ll be many KBers invited to a Sam Neill party.
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March 21, 2023 9:51am
- NothingLeft
  
  I’d be fine with that, he’s always been an ignorant far-left [Mod – deleted] of decidedly middling intellect.
  
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  December 21, 2022 11:04am
  - Black with a Vengeance
    
    Leading candidate for vile hating comment of the day, but it’s only early afternoon so plenty of time to go one up.
    
    I worked a movie with Sam once. Every break he was hanging round the radio listening to the cricket and cheering on the black caps.
    
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    March 21, 2023 1:35pm
    - Hard Cheese
      
      And?? Is that some kind of achievement?
      
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      March 21, 2023 7:29pm
      - Black with a Vengeance
        
        He could just as easily have been served lunch and holed up in his motor home but instead hung out with the crew and got rowdy.
        
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        March 21, 2023 8:03pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      “I worked a movie with Sam once.”
      
      Yeah right.
      
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      March 21, 2023 7:52pm
- Ghost
  
  Vile people, must mean the kiwis that would threaten John Key, or those that supported a song raping John’s daughter and killing John, or those who supported throwing a dildo at an Minister. Could also mean those who are pushing separatist policies and racism towards non Maori.
  
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  March 21, 2023 10:10am
  - Black with a Vengeance
    
    Sam is pretty specific on the nature of vileness in the recent examples he gave.
    
    I’m not saying right leaning ideologists have a monopoly on vileness and whinging, but you’d be hard pressed to argue this fine establishment doesn’t foment those traits.
    
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    March 21, 2023 10:40am
    - Jack5
      
      Sympathy for Sam Neill. It’s a tough diagnosis, and I wish him strength and support.
      
      Neill’s a good actor. I liked particularly his performances in Jurassic Park and the TV series Reilly, Ace of Spies.
      
      His political stance is on another hill from that of most Kiwiblog followers.
      
      Sam Neill was one of the liberals in that early Roger Donaldson film Sleeping Dogs, about guerrillas resisting a Right-wing NZ Government.
      
      I vaguely recall that the RNZAF supplied Skyhawks to be depicted as tools of the evil Right-wing government – a sort of side swipe against the Vietnam War.
      
      Who was to know in the 1970s that anti-democratic measures in NZ such as restriction of free speech would come from the Left, rather than the Right.
      
      You can read the Sleeping Dogs script here:
      
      https://www.scripts.com/script/sleeping_dogs_18291
      
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      March 21, 2023 2:20pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Just because someone accurately describes her as an inept, vacuous, narcissistic tyrant doesn’t mean they hate her.
  
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  March 21, 2023 10:16am
- Inandout
  
  BV, Sam Neill to me is a sort of Anthony Hopkins-lite. Tony is a brilliant actor.
  
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  March 21, 2023 10:27am
- Graham Sharpe
  
  Sam said in an interview with Kim Hill that women are much better as politicians and leaders than men, and if they were in charge Russia wouldn’t invade Ukraine etc etc. I was thrilled to hear this – Sam Neill is a public fan of Margaret Thatcher – by reasonable implication.
  
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  March 21, 2023 11:21am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    + Indira Ghandi
    + Golda Meyer
    + Eva Peron
    
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    March 21, 2023 6:43pm
- Gravelroad
  
  I wouldn’t go to a Sam Neill party anyway. Very doubtful if I would make the cut for the invite list.
  Friend of mine was same year as him at the same secondary school.
  You know the one – Christ’s College in Christchurch.
  That bastion of white male privilege established by the evil colonists off the first four ships.
  Whatever floats your boat, though BWAV.
  
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  March 21, 2023 11:46am
  - Black with a Vengeance
    
    A friendly ex neighbour of mine went to school with him in Mosgiel where I believe he grew up before boarding schools in Otautahi/Chch.
    
    Back then he was Nigel…
    
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    March 21, 2023 1:40pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Back then he was Nigel…
      
      He still is….
      
      Sir Nigel John Dermot “Sam” Neill KNZM OBE
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Neill
      
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      March 21, 2023 3:55pm
- Surely Knott
  
  From the article, Sam Neil says,
  “When I was away during that first year of COVID-19 and I was struck by everyone who I’d come across who’d say ‘Oh you’re so lucky, what a great country, what a great prime minister…”
  
  How convenient. So he didn’t endure the extreme lockdowns to people and businesses in the first year, that were based on the extreme authoritarian communist Chinese response. But thinks they were great for the rest of us.
  
  The elimination strategy failed and it cost our country billions.
  
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  March 21, 2023 3:29pm
  - GJM
    
    During that time, he obviously didn’t need to come back for a family emergency or similar. I am sure a spot in miq would have been found fir him. Like the DJ, the Wiggles and the MP for Tujunga and his boyfriend.
    
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    March 21, 2023 6:05pm
- pussycat
  
  Sam Neill complaining about other people complaining. What a dick.
  
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  March 21, 2023 4:22pm
MCōs

I’ve not taken any notice of Posie Parker until her rally attracted a bunch of Nazis in Melbourne the other day.
It seems she didn’t make much effort to disassociate herself from these fine gentlemen.
This article in the NYT is a very interesting explanation of the background of Parker
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/07/opinion/terf-trans-women-britain.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
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March 21, 2023 9:52am
- Maggie Pie
  
  But it’s paywalled silly!
  
  Here, you can watch & read about Posie if you klik on my link 😀
  
  https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1637673099952005120
  
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  March 21, 2023 10:08am
  - MCōs
    
    I thought someone with your ostentatious wealth could afford $6.54/mth to read the NYT.
    
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    March 21, 2023 10:58am
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Well don’t know why you would think that Cossie?
      
      We rely on children in Africa to send US money!
      
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      March 21, 2023 11:06am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      MCōs – not to read maybe 1 or 2 articles a month that aren’t absolute garbage.
      Same with the Whoreald, it’s not that I can’t afford it or that they don’t (very rarely) publish the odd decent article, I refuse to give them oxygen because 95% of their content is nonsensical garbage or worse, pure propaganda and narrative control. Provably so.
      
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      March 21, 2023 11:09am
    - Jack5
      
      NY Times – a special on at the moment US50c a week, which at current exchange rates is about NZ80c.
      
      It’s not the only big overseas paper offering a special price.
      
      Perhaps this is something to do with the media IT teams recently finding a way to beat one of the prominent software paywall busters. They’re recruiting the blocked.
      
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      March 21, 2023 2:44pm
  - sirknz
    
    But isn’t Avi Yemeni that outrageous far right NAZI sympathiser who is Jewish and was banned from NZ by Immigration NZ last year for wanting to cover the river of filth?
    
    He does some great work though.
    
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    March 21, 2023 11:07am
- Blog-aholic
  
  I think it’d be a case of damned either way. She ignored them but apparently she is associated. If she had acknowledged in anyway their existence she would also be associated.
  
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  March 21, 2023 10:24am
  - MCōs
    
    How could one possibly ignore those chaps?
    
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    March 21, 2023 10:53am
k1w1

I can’t be the only one feeling in need of the foetal position in the shower tray for thinking this new police minister is quite a cutey.
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March 21, 2023 9:53am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  Oooer! You need to get out more.
  
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  March 21, 2023 10:57am
  - k1w1
    
    Indeed. I can’t figure out if the downticks are from the rightists for having the cajones to think someone on the left is something of a looker, or from the leftists for feeling like I need a shower for thinking that way? If in doubt, offend everyone – that’s my motto.
    
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    March 21, 2023 11:44am
- JimBobJoe
  
  Nah, you’re ok think that. Ginny is an attractive lady. Seen her a few times at events around Hutt Valley – personable person and a nice smile. Pity about the latent Communist sympathies but you cant have everything
  
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  March 21, 2023 2:31pm
Ghost

A lobbying firm headed by the Prime Minister’s chief of staff Andrew Kirton before he took up the role worked for liquor companies in their fight for major changes to a container return scheme that has now been ditched by the government.

Kirton worked for the New Zealand arm of trans-Tasman lobbying firm Anacta, resigning just one day before he was announced as chief of staff for Prime Minister Chris Hipkins on February 1.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/government-planned-giving-up-to-5k-to-each-kiwi-during-the-pandemic-was-it-a-good-idea/5TPQ2FMJI5CVLF7M6PDLCWOVMU/
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March 21, 2023 10:04am
- surfing
  
  Your post stuffed up kiwiblog formatting.
  
  [Mod – that was weird, fixed]
  
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  March 21, 2023 11:14am
I remember when

Great to see on TV that Chris Hipkins is an advocate for ‘free speech.
Just as long as it doesn’t upset anyone.
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March 21, 2023 10:15am
- Paulus
  
  Hipkins free speech is ok providing he is not blamed for any troubles afterwards !
  
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  March 21, 2023 1:44pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Chris H hasn’t really got the hang of this free speech bizzo
  
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  March 21, 2023 6:46pm
jon

Given the resurgence in support for Labour, would have expected a leaked Talbot/Mills poll by now, confirming this trend. Strange!
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March 21, 2023 10:23am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  There was one Talbot poll the week Hipkins took the leadership, no leaked polls since late Jan, clearly one news was bullshit, TPU poll that want correct numbers showed Nats ACT governing easily, they also showed Greens very close to 5% One news had Greens at 12% pretty sure I know which one has been pointed
  
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  March 21, 2023 12:26pm
  - JJ56
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/national-leader-christopher-luxon-falls-to-new-low-in-poll/UATZJNSCNJAETH5XW5RUODMD3Y/
    
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    March 21, 2023 3:19pm
ClanMcleod

Another excellent example of how so called “conspiracy theories” are no such thing.

Top Universities: Tools of the WEF

How is it possible that South Africa would be immersed in the same battles for “trans rights,” as the USA and as of most of Europe? Of course, it isn’t possible without coordination.

Then our minds turned not just to the pandemic policies of masking, mandates and lockdowns, but to climate change, the elimination of gas fueled cars, Agenda 2030, the move to eliminate private ownership items such as autos and housing, digital IDs, digital currency, 15-minute cities, taking away private land for conservation, globalized censorship, etc. not just one country, but across the world. The coordinated list seems endless.

I don’t remember a period in my life where most of the world governments agreed on so much. Where did these policies originate? Who is co-ordinating them? How did this happen?

A very good read from Robert Malone.

https://open.substack.com/pub/rwmalonemd/p/top-universities-tools-of-the-wef?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android
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March 21, 2023 10:26am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/media-lyingtwistingand-spin-reaches-new-heights/

The Platform, Sean Plunket:
https://www.facebook.com/theplatformnz/videos/914382529759203/

Police Advice:
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Procedure-for-booking-halls-and-venues-2.pdf

Private Meeting. I am more than happy to go to a meeting to listen without unruly interference. The behaviour at Orewa was disgusting.
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So we asked the police to give us advice going forward about what to do to stop protestors getting into the
building. The following was their advice, which we are going to follow:
1. Make the meetings private not public. The police advise that if we have paid for the hall, then the meeting is
private.
2. When people turn up, have two security people on the door, one either side of it. Plus one policeman. The
police presence will keep things orderly and peaceful.
3. Have another person, one of our staff, filtering people. They discern a protestor from a genuine person who
has come to listen and take part.
4. The police say that if we have hired the hall, we can accept or reject people at the door. This is the same as
someone holding a party at one’s home. They can accept or reject people coming onto their property because
it’s a private function.
5. We have every right, legally, to accept or reject people.
1. If anyone gets in (in other words we might miss detecting a protestor) and they play up in the meeting,
the police will move them on and if necessary charge them with trespass because it’s a private
function
2. The bouncers will stay around patrolling the outside of the building to make sure the protestors don’t go
around the outside banging on the walls and the windows
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March 21, 2023 10:35am
- DimChappie
  
  How will the staff member know if someone is a protester or non protester? Surely this would not be done on racial grounds or Meng Foon will be onto it. I have supplied a photo of Martyn Bradbury who intended to protest loudly at Dominion Rd so he can be barred.
  
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  March 21, 2023 11:44am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Register for attendance. Then if the nonsense starts – escorted to the door.
    I registered for Orewa. I will register for the Auckland Domain Friday 13 October 2023.
    Can’t see the Auckland Domain as being ‘Private Meeting’ Oh but the Police will be there. I will bus, on my ‘Goldcard’
    Do you think a MAGA hat will be OK?
    
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    March 21, 2023 4:24pm
- Mike
  
  These are reasonable steps to take when you wish to preach to the converted.
  
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  March 21, 2023 12:48pm
  - JimBobJoe
    
    If your beloved Left would engage in civilised debate and not constantly use its radicalised shock troops to scream people down or apply physical acts of violence then our political arena would be better off.
    
    I note Mike you don’t condemn ongoing attempts at suppression of debate when that suppression attempt is aimed at causes you don’t endorse (judging by your snipe of preaching to the converted you obviously view Stop Co-Governance as something that should be shutdown)
    
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    March 21, 2023 2:06pm
    - Mike
      
      Please don’t project your own feelz on to my comments. I don’t much care for his half-baked message, nor feel it is worth protesting against. Perhaps I’ll go see him after he has attracted 100,000 acolytes to his promised pre-election rally.
      
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      March 21, 2023 2:48pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        [Mod – can you stop swearing in all. your posts]
        
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        March 21, 2023 4:30pm
- kevn
  
  @SteveO… Be a good fundraiser for the rugby clubs ‘helping’ with (the unwanted) crowd control.
  All recorded of course.
  
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  March 21, 2023 2:53pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I don’t know which of my comments you are replying to kevn.
    There is a reply tab, but if you dump a comment on General Debate flow, your comment does not reflect what you mean,
    See the blue “reply” tab?
    
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    March 21, 2023 4:35pm
BeaB

Kim Hill helped Chris Hipkins make a total arse of himself on the radio this morning.
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March 21, 2023 10:36am
- Burtland
  
  the link
  
  https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018882618/hipkins-confident-kirton-had-cut-ties-with-lobbying-firm-before-taking-up-role-as-chief-of-staff
  
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  March 21, 2023 12:01pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He made an ass of himself on Newshub in the weekend, the woman interviewer was very demanding of him, something seems to have changed
  
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  March 21, 2023 12:27pm
  - Mike
    
    How odd, a ‘woman interviewer’.
    
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    March 21, 2023 12:46pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Yes, I heard that.
  
  Kim, where were you during the five long years of Jacinda? I don’t recall you or any of your media acolytes ever putting Jaxxie through the wringer like that.
  
  Sycophant!
  
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  March 21, 2023 1:29pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  Kim Hill putting a Leftie Politician under pressure. How refreshing!
  
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  March 21, 2023 1:43pm
- mogg
  
  Like Ardern Hipkins is a blabbermouth, why use one word when ten will do. It is interesting to see that his favourite word is transparency, this is where Cindy started off 5 yrs ago, surely they don’t expect people to swallow that crap again. Without the Covid or cyclone coverup he is looking and sounding horribly exposed.
  We can expect 6 months of greenwashing, with his fan- girls and boys in the Media in full support. Anybody who doesn’t agree will be vilified,
  Luxon seems to be aware of this.
  
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  March 21, 2023 1:53pm
ClanMcleod

This is a good summary of the recent Thomas Cranmer post showing that Medsafe did NOT say that the jabs were tested, safe and effective.

A bit easier reading.

Hipkins and Ardern were told there were doubts and problems. Did anyone remember them saying that?

No, because they didn’t. They rammed down our throats that the jabs were 100% safe. Then they destroyed the lives of many thousands of people because they wouldn’t bow down to her single source of truth.

It is incredible. The information is pouring in now. Add this to the never answered question about why the warnings around the risk of myocarditis to young men in particular were deliberately hidden from the public. It’s clear that Ardern and Hipkins were aware of these facts and carried on regardless.

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/new-zealands-medical-regulator-admits

They are criminals.
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March 21, 2023 10:41am
- virtualmark
  
  True: MedSafe did not say that the Covid vaccines were tested, safe and effective.
  
  The decision to buy the vaccines was based off their Phase III trials and the decision by the FDA in the US to provide emergency use approvals.
  
  It was clear that there would not be time for MedSafe (or the FDA or other similar approval agencies) to go through its normal approval process.
  
  MedSafe was provided with detailed information from the Phase III trials, and I believe they talked with the FDA to understand the basis for the FDA’s emergency use approval.
  
  I can’t speak for Hipkins or Ardern but I’m sure no one involved in the purchase of the vaccines said they were 100% safe. But it was a trolley problem decision, made by responsible adults.
  
  Note that as soon as safety issues did arise with the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine it was basically shelved. Theoretically it was available, and we paid for it, but I suspect if you had specifically asked for that vaccine you would have had people trying to talk you out of it.
  
  Note too that if you gave 4 million Kiwis any approved medication (for example, aspirin) you would find that there would be a *tiny* percentage, but a recordable number, of people who would have serious complications from that medication. Let’s say the odds of having a problem are 0.0005 percent … that’d still be 20 people across 4 million.
  
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  March 21, 2023 1:37pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Virtualmark- it appears we experienced a different event. But your summary is wrong and seems to miss the key points that the Cranmer article has raised. Fundamentally Medsafe would not approve the vaccine.
    
    If you bothered to read the article Medsafe said they could not approve the vaccine based on insufficient information and timeframe of the information. They referred the decision to a Medical Advisory committee who reviewed the information, met with Pfizer and recommended that Medsafe approve it. The members of the committee are unknown and so far OIA requests have refused to disclose their identities.
    
    Furthermore, the Ministry of Health advertising assured us the vaccine was “Safe and Effective” repeated ad nauseum infinitum. Ashley and Jacinda also made the same statement repeatedly. How they made these claims is now being shown to be absurd and looks corrupt.
    
    Many GPs didn’t provide any adverse effects information nor did the vaccine administrators. In fact they were threatened with loss of their practicing certificates if they were deemed to be making negative comments about the vaccine. So very few people got informed consent.
    
    People who had severe adverse effects after their first vaccine did not get dispensations from the second one. Only the Attorney General of health could grant these. Power taken away from the medical professionals closest to individual. So even in cases where the individuals empirical data showed the vaccine was anything but safe to them, they were still forced into additional jabs.
    
    I don’t understand why you are gaslighting on this. We lived through it, we know what went down. As time goes on more light will shine on the dirty deeds that have been done. Trying to reframe history isn’t going to stop your sins from being found out.
    
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    March 21, 2023 7:47pm
- kevn
  
  @Clan… In NZ we give them a gong.
  
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  March 21, 2023 2:49pm
thirteenstars

This is what public intellectuals do, folks, and the team at the Free Speech Union are hitting it out of the park.

From the latest Free Speech Union email:

[Note: Kellie-Jay Keen’s crime in the eyes of the neo-Marxists is that she defines a woman as “an adult human female” and makes shocking claims like “a woman doesn’t have a penis”. The Green Party have tried to get her entry visa to NZ cancelled.]

I wanted to touch base regarding some of the coverage of Kellie-Jay Keen Minshull’s speaking events in Australia and the calls to bar her from entering New Zealand. It’s made me think about another fight for free speech…

In 1977, Skokie, Illinois was a small community with a disproportionately large Jewish population (over 50%). About 10% were survivors of the holocaust. Perhaps it was for this very reason that Frank Collin, the leader of the National Socialist Party of America (NSPA), chose this small town near Chicago for a major march to advocate for their fascistic ideas, military uniforms and swastika included.

Predictably, just the idea of such a march in a community so intimately connected to the horrors of Nazism was intolerable. Injunctions were sought, and whether to allow this Nazi group the right to parade became a major civil rights debate, ending before the Illinois Supreme Court. Ultimately, through the principled representation of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), the Court maintained the Nazi group’s speech rights.

I say ‘principled representation’ because I cannot imagine a case where the advocates for free speech more clearly disagreed with the substance of the speech in question.

… [Abridged. mod.]

It is yet to be seen if reason can overpower the views of Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull, or if her ideas are stronger than those who would rather silence her than argue rationally.

It’s not ‘inclusive’ to silence others. It’s not ‘progressive’ to deny women their voice. Disagreement isn’t hate. It’s a scary thought that so many now oppose this. The Free Speech Union is working to ensure that extremists don’t steal the crucial right to disagree, to have a differing perspective, from us.

https://www.facebook.com/FreeSpeechUnion/
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March 21, 2023 11:03am
- k1w1
  
  I hate Illinois Nazis
  
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  March 21, 2023 12:26pm
  - Mike
    
    We’re on a mission from God.
    
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    March 21, 2023 12:43pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Uptick from me, Mikey
      
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      March 21, 2023 6:50pm
Swifty

The MP for Tijuana displays his deceit, his intolerance and his authoritarian streak for all the world to see:

“”Having someone like Posie coming here to spew violence, and attracting the kind of neo-Nazi crowd they had in Australia could actually risk the well-being of rainbow communities and Muslim communities as well.”

How do you ‘spew violence’ anyway?
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March 21, 2023 12:16pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Good God!
  And that from an un-elected member of our Parliament who gets round in public with a slogan on his t-shirt… “FUCK NORMAL”
  
  https://twitter.com/ohana_tawagoto/status/1631857283071356929
  
  I don’t know whether he means it as an insult or an instruction?
  
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  March 21, 2023 12:44pm
- cmm
  
  I find it funny how he tries to pander to both the rainbows and the Muslims.
  
  Doesn’t he know that a favourite Muslim sport is to decorate telephone poles with rainbows?
  
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  March 21, 2023 4:56pm
Ghost

For her efforts to report injuries to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) and to educate others in her hospital system on doing the same, Physician Assistant Deborah Conrad said she was labeled an anti-vaxxer and fired from her job.

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March 21, 2023 12:26pm
Southern Raider

Labour installs a very junior Minister into one of the top portfolios (Ginny into Police) and media just puts it as minor item on website

Talbot (isn’t this Labours own polling company) releases a new a new poll and Herald uses this as headline article to attack Luxon
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March 21, 2023 1:14pm
Maggie Pie

WATCH

Racism raises its ugly head in ‘The Whitehouse’

Black African reporter confronts Biden’s Press Secretary Karen Jean-Pierre for not calling on him to ask a question for 7 months!

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1637883343600492554
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March 21, 2023 1:23pm
- Ghost
  
  Wow the leprechaun doesn’t look happy.
  
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  March 21, 2023 1:38pm
Swifty

Stuff’s bias and disdain just drip off the page….

“Self-identified women’s rights group Speak Up for Women said in a statement that it supported Keen-Mishull’s entry to the country and denounced attempts by some individuals and groups to have her visa revoked.”

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/131556807/antitrans-activists-visa-status-being-reviewed-as-quickly-as-possible

“Self-identified….”

I have never seen such a prefix in NZ print. Never.

Every rights group is ‘self-identified’!

Why is it that Stuff has seen to use this prefix for this group and today? Is it a subtle slur? Is it a sly dig at their authenticity? Is it a dog-whistle as to their credibility in Stuff’s eyes? Will they now use this term for every rights group in NZ?

Oh and I’ve just listened to an RNZ piece on KJH – all one sided, giving full voice to those who wish her silenced, and not one bit of what she stands for, what her arguments are or anything from her supporters or those who think similarly here in NZ.

What a disgrace from our state broadcaster. Their bias is on full display and they don’t give a rats.
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March 21, 2023 1:28pm
- Ghost
  
  In fairness to stuff they are not an organisation that believes in free speech. They believe in pushing an agenda and refuse to publish anything that goes against their agenda.
  
  And in defence of radio New Zealand, ummm, you actually listen to that crap? My god, you’ve taken their listeners today up to a record breaking 1
  
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  March 21, 2023 1:35pm
  - Swifty
    
    I like to listen to RNZ to keep abreast of what my enemies are doing.
    
    😀
    
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    March 21, 2023 5:37pm
- BeaB
  
  Ani Dunlop was disgracefully one-sided with her bigotry on full display.
  The person who was going to be traumatised by not listening to someone he doesn’t agree with, had a bloke’s voice but was called Sally.
  Ms Dunlop has difficulty reading, mispronounces words, has no idea how to address someone politely and emphasises all the wrong words in a sentence.
  However did she ever get a job in broadcasting? Surely she and her wife Kiri Allen could find something that better used her talents.
  
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  March 21, 2023 1:46pm
  - herb1
    
    You mean “ self identified journalist” Ani Obrien
    
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    March 21, 2023 1:57pm
    - Swifty
      
      Mani Dunlop, RNZ.
      
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      March 21, 2023 2:05pm
  - Swifty
    
    I notice Sally Dellow is described as a ‘lesbian trans-woman.’
    
    Having your cake and eating it too, I suppose.
    
    I wonder too if Sally believes, as I’ve seen other trans-woman lesbians say, other lesbians are transphobic if they don’t wish to sleep with her.
    
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    March 21, 2023 2:05pm
- Nickc2
  
  There are a lot of rocks being upturned as vermin (people perceived as despicable and as causing problems for the rest of society) crawl from beneath to attend the protest against another visiting speaker.
  Free speech in NZ is a dead duck.
  
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  March 21, 2023 3:01pm
Ghost

Damn, I forgot to buy popcorn this week

The NYPD erected steel barricades around Manhattan’s Criminal Court Monday afternoon in anticipation of Donald Trump’s looming indictment by Manhattan district attorney Alvin Bragg.

Yahoo
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March 21, 2023 1:52pm
- Littletramp
  
  Trump won’t be indicted – truth is he has done nothing wrong/illegal but you aren’t allowed to know that.
  It’s all an intended media distraction from the major taxpayer theft going on amongst the banking fraternity, and the Biden family links to China, Hunter Biden laptop & Ukraine losing the war to name just 4 real scandals elsewhere the Democrats don’t want you thinking about.
  Wait until the public find out most of the pension funds are as insolvent as the banks, due to bonds not valued to market and the funds being highly levered.
  Business as usual in the US.
  
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  March 21, 2023 5:21pm
Bridgenag

UCSF orders their doctors to ignore vaccine injuries
They don’t file VAERS reports either. That’s a violation of federal law. I had a bunch of questions for their media relations department, but they ghosted me. Here’s what I wanted to know.

https://open.substack.com/pub/stevekirsch/p/ucsf-orders-their-doctors-to-ignore?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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March 21, 2023 2:05pm
surfing

Crims vandalise Leo Molloys business, causing $50,000 of damage.

Police do nothing, tell Molloy to take the crims to disputes for reparations.

I’d say $50k of damage is a serious crime, they need to be imprisoned!

[Mod – link added]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/headquarters-leo-molloy-accuses-police-of-being-weak-as-piss-after-alleged-attempted-break-in-at-bar-causes-50000-damage/YINCJUVK6BDXFBK3X7M6WPQRNI/
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March 21, 2023 2:17pm
- surfing
  
  Thanks Mod! I’m hopeless today 🙂
  
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  March 21, 2023 2:33pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  As much as we all love Leo….he doesn’t do himself a lot of favors calling the Police “weak-as-piss” on Twitter this morning.
  
  Just saying.
  
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  March 21, 2023 2:35pm
  - Nickc2
    
    If there was $50k of damage to your place and the police did nothing, what would you say/do?
    The fact that it’s Leo Molloy should have no bearing on the situation.
    Perhaps Ginny Anderson (Minister of Police) has a new policy for the Police on such matters eh?
    
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    March 21, 2023 2:49pm
    - Ghost
      
      From the article
      
      “Police have undertaken to facilitate reparations between the owner of the premises and those responsible for any damage.”
      
      I think I’d rather the police try to recover the money to have it repaired than have them put through the justice system where they will get what? A smack on the hand and told to behave
      
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      March 21, 2023 2:56pm
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Isn’t the polices job to catch and prosecute criminals? The judiciaries job to judge and sentence. Why are the police skipping their job and playing the judges role?
        
        Keeps the crime numbers low though, don’t get in trouble for incorrect data this way.
        
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        March 21, 2023 8:07pm
      - Ghost
        
        No, they can seek a resolution without prosecution.
        
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        March 21, 2023 8:20pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    But that is why we love Leo. He doesn’t take crap lying down. Leo reminds me of that famous Aristotle comment;
    “There is a mixture of madness in the most excellent of men.”
    He has a mixture of madness BUT he is a most excellent man.
    
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    March 21, 2023 5:50pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      100 upticks!! 😀
      
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      March 21, 2023 6:18pm
Chuck Bird

Glad to see Luxon supports Posie Parker’s right to speak. I bet if some Palestinian stated Israel does not have a right to exist or even supported suicide bombers the Greens would support him or her coming to speak here.
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March 21, 2023 3:00pm
- Swifty
  
  Bob Jones sticks it to the MP for Tijuana good and hard:
  
  https://nopunchespulled.com/2023/03/21/our-house-of-representatives/
  
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  March 21, 2023 5:11pm
Swifty

Oh look, yet another call for schools to take on more and more…..

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018882639/driver-licensing-network-wants-driving-education-in-schools

(And in this case the call is coming from the very group which stands to gain the most from it.)

Not saying youngsters getting their licenses isn’t a good thing, of course it is, but it is something they should be doing in their private lives, not their school lives – unless, as I’ve said, the academic subjects are not to suffer.
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March 21, 2023 5:01pm
- Ghost
  
  I’d agree with having driver education in schools. It is a good place to have it and a chance to get kids learning some decent driving skills from a trained professional instead of their parents.
  
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  March 21, 2023 5:06pm
  - Swifty
    
    If it caused a further slide in student’s educational achievement would you still support it?
    
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    March 21, 2023 5:12pm
    - septic skeptic
      
      It sounds like an opportunity for schools to maybe achieve something (else) other than core academic education.
      
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      March 21, 2023 5:49pm
    - Ghost
      
      So does a student taking other elective courses cause a slide in their achievement? The benefits of giving kids some proper driver education and a license by the time they leave school is so they can drive to a job is important. Some schools in nz already offer it, one the course is five hours long out of an entire school year.
      
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      March 21, 2023 7:46pm
      - Swifty
        
        If, I said if Ghost.
        
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        March 21, 2023 8:49pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Just another vested interest plugging their member’s commercial services. Like the Dental Association calling yesterday for free dental care (free to the patient, that is, not free to the taxpayer).
  
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  March 21, 2023 6:57pm
Swifty

Does anyone know whether under international trade rules etc Aussie is operating legally here?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018882636/australian-tax-incentive-threatening-video-game-industry

I presume they are, but it seems quite irregular to me.
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March 21, 2023 5:03pm
- Ghost
  
  No different than nz giving tax incentive to productions wanting to film in New Zealand
  
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  March 21, 2023 5:11pm
  - Swifty
    
    I might have thought there was a big difference actually.
    
    The film industry incentives (rebates on new, additional spending) support ‘one off’ film making in an attempt to lure filmmakers here rather than making their (temporary) productions elsewhere – and as a means to compete against other countries offering similar incentives. (Note, I’m not saying I agree with it.)
    
    The gaming situation is different in as much as they are Aussie ongoing concerns, permanently located, with permanent staff etc etc and in is effect an ongoing subsidy to an industry not available to others and giving Aussie game makers an unfair advantage against their international competitors, like us.
    
    I’m sure if we suddenly announced a 40-45 percent rebate on expenditure on sheep meat production, avocado growing, cheese making etc the Aussies would be jumping up and down over it.
    
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    March 21, 2023 5:31pm
Maggie Pie

RANDOM IMPERTNENT QUESTION:

Was just in the kitchen rubbing salt into the pork belly and heard a talkback caller saying…. the new Police Minister’s husband is a Dog-Handler.

Is that likely to raise any Constitutional issues within the rules of the Cabinet Manual?
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March 21, 2023 5:14pm
- Widogast Corwin
  
  You should allow at least 6 hours to cook pork belly. You must be having a damn late dinner.
  
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  March 21, 2023 6:29pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    It’s being prepped for TOMORROW silly!
    
    Leave in the fridge overnight with a tea-towel over it…..the crackling is to die for 😀
    
    And it takes 2 hours tops!!
    
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    March 21, 2023 6:46pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    A simple “sorry-about-that” will do Weirdogast
    
    LOL!!!
    
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    March 21, 2023 7:40pm
    - Colville
      
      Really?
      I would have it in the suis vide for at least 12 hours. What century do you live in?
      
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      March 21, 2023 9:02pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Why? She’s not the Minister of Dogs.
  
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  March 21, 2023 6:58pm
Swifty

This is sinister.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/486412/levy-for-banks-earning-more-than-500m-needed-bank-workers-union-says

Representatives of a NZ union want the Labour Party to use the power of the state to forcibly confiscate legally-generated private wealth to spend on purposes they support.

These people will be the ruin of us.
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March 21, 2023 5:20pm
- Prince
  
  There is no end to the money they want to take off working Kiwis to give to their special interests.
  
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  March 21, 2023 6:09pm
Prince

Why has NZ Rugby just sabotaged our World Cup later this year ?
How would NZ Rugby feel if Foster said ‘Just to let you know, I’m off to coach England after this World Cup’ ?
Hard to imagine a more stupid action that today’s announcement.
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March 21, 2023 6:12pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Just heard that guy Foster being interviewed. What a whinger!!
  
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  March 21, 2023 6:20pm
  - Prince
    
    I don’t blame him. He expected NZR support – he got hung out to dry, along with the team and this years WC efforts.
    
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    March 21, 2023 6:23pm
    - Colville
      
      Totally shit coach with zero history of winning. He was one loss away from being sacked, IMHO He shouldn’t have survived this long and it will be a fluke if we get near the final of the RWC.
      
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      March 21, 2023 9:13pm
      - Prince
        
        You may be right. So we have the worst of all worlds for this years WC- a second-rate coach, and a team that knows they are on a hiding to nothing.
        Total incompetence from the guardians of our national game.
        
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        March 21, 2023 10:36pm
Surely Knott

Gender. Some of the most famous Trans activists identify as “Non-binary”. They are not claiming to be women or the opposite sex. Shaneel lal’s pronouns are (They/them) they show an insta of themselves topless as a man in mens underwear, they show themselves ticking the boxes on the census for gender and they don’t tick female they tick “other”.

Sam Brinton (suitcase stealing nuclear scientist workign for the USA govt) (They/Them) is described as a non-binary drag queen, and online activist Jeffrey Marsh. (who has full facial hair and full makeup. ) is (They/ them )non binary. They are not gender dysphoric and identifying as women but something in between.

What does the law say about Non-binary. Well for a start the law doesn’t even explicitly cover Gender. There was some legal advice on this which said human rights act probably already covers gender under sex (sex is not defined but mentions pregnancy and birthing), orientation (homosexual, bi, straight) and disability ( the legal guidance mentions gender dysphoria). These three things are clearly different things to gender, but the legal advice doesn’t even address the modern concept of non-binary.

While people are claiming to be non-binary. The spaces being contested are binary. Male and Female prisons, bathrooms, sports teams, health our language, men and women, breastfeeding mothers etc.

But if you believe spaces should be allocated based on gender which is a social construct, mutable and can change regularly or daily and is infinite in it’s possibilities then what?

Where would a non-binary person go to the bathroom or prison or sports team according to the law. What accommodation will society and the law make when they now have a new group that identifies as “other”?

Shaneel Lal ticks other
https://www.instagram.com/p/CpboO1GAvfx/?hl=en
Legal advice on gender.
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/sites/default/files/SG Opinion 2 Aug 2006.pdf
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March 21, 2023 7:42pm
Swifty

The intolerant, hateful left on full display.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt09IHWLi_E

Livestream of KJH in Tassie just a few hours ago.

HATE! HATE! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE!
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March 21, 2023 8:04pm
Ghost

Shoplifting police minster, lol.

New Police Minister Ginny Andersen may be feeling slightly awkward as she spearheads the Government’s crackdown on retail crime after she accidentally nicked a pie from the Prime Minister’s favourite pie shop on her first day in the job.

Andersen, a Hutt resident and local MP, accompanied “boy from the Hutt” Prime Minister Chris Hipkins as he toured his neighbourhood today, visiting the local marae and his old school.

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March 21, 2023 8:09pm
Maggie Pie

Attn: CUDDLES

Will you be instructing your troops to charge this arsehat with….

“INCITEMENT-TO-RIOT”?

https://twitter.com/shaneellall/status/1638023534718107649
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