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Simon

So long as Hipkins doesn’t promise every house hold a baby unicorn then National are going to struggle.
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March 19, 2023 8:09am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  After thee we last couple of weeks I think people are waking up to another fact in Hipkins, he looks as weak as cats piss over Nash
  
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  March 19, 2023 9:28am
  - pdm
    
    G I think Hipkins gathered some new nicknames to replace `Chippy’ in the last week.
    
    1. The Ginger Jacinda.
    2. The Prime Minister of Final Warnings.
    3. The Claytons Sacking Prime Minister.
    
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    March 19, 2023 10:15am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Just watched his interview on Newshub, he is absolutely pathetic, no answers, boosting how hoo he is, refusing to talk about policies, and worryingly, the policies on the bond fire are all good ideas and they are only put aside cause cost of living. So when coat of living under these muppets, then all these policies will be back
      
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      March 19, 2023 10:27am
      - pdm
        
        G don’t panic.
        
        There is no way as long as my bum points to the ground that Labour will fix inflation of the Cost of Living crises.
        
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        March 19, 2023 11:08am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        G – yet again you prove NZ does have regional dialects. What does your last sentence actually mean?
        
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        March 19, 2023 11:20am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Chip-Flop
      
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      March 19, 2023 11:57am
      - Paulus
        
        Like reading the report in today’s paper about the new computer translation Intelligence, and what it could do to Maori, as of the Maori so called translations tried it was stated that almost every Maori word had up to ten meanings, as a result the Maori language would not continue.
        Probably dialectic too from differing Iwi of which the census gave about 140 different Iwi.
        
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        March 19, 2023 1:16pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Chipspinda?
      
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      March 19, 2023 12:34pm
    - mogg
      
      What about Flippy Chippie.
      
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      March 19, 2023 1:05pm
  - Paulus
    
    Isn’t there another Nash indiscretion, which will be revealed this coming week – unless it can be hushed up.
    Nashy is everybody’s friend in the pub remember.
    
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    March 19, 2023 11:05am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Simon – don’t give them ideas…….
  
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  March 19, 2023 9:31am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Now that our Princess has retreated into a dark, dark cave and our Fairy dust is exhausted, a baby unicorn might not be very happy in our damp and mouldy houses.
  
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  March 19, 2023 10:25am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  Simon – Whatever National do, they will not win. Chippy is sleep walking to victory. You may downtick me, but you will realise how prophetic Sir Sidekick is on election night. Watch out for the next poll, must be from Three news. Labour-Green-Maori 6 seat majority.
  
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  March 19, 2023 10:59am
  - Ghost
    
    As prophetic as when you claimed national Tama Potaka wouldn’t win the by-election. I think you confuse prophetic with pathetic
    
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    March 19, 2023 11:01am
    - pdm
      
      Ghost – or prophylactic.
      
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      March 19, 2023 11:10am
  - Paulus
    
    In the retirement village little chippy is a lovely young man and worth of a cuddle by the ladies.
    Same as they loved Jacinda.
    
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    March 19, 2023 11:06am
    - Flossie
      
      Definitely not in this retirement village!
      
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      March 19, 2023 11:32am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  With price of meat the way it is, we have had to butcher ours and put it in the freezer.
  
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  March 19, 2023 11:21am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Ah yes, the New New Labour promise, an EV in every garage and a Unicorn in every pot. Every kid is Rainbow, and to each according to xir need!
    
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    March 19, 2023 7:34pm
oldpark

Just watched the Ireland v England game live .
Saw the World Cup Winners 2023.
Also watched Hurricanes v Waratahs as well as Crusaders v Blues .
There was more rugby in both quarters of mentioned NZ Rugby Games than all of circa 80 minutes between Ireland V England.Virtually a kick fest in Aviva Stadium .
Almost forgot Rugby World Cup Winners 2023.
All Blacks in a canter. As long as the real passionate genuine All Black Coach Ian Foster picks Top Forwards.All Blacks have superb back players.They pick themselves .
Roll on Rugby World Cup .
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March 19, 2023 8:18am
- NK
  
  Disagree. ABs on same side of the draw as Ireland, SA, France. We won’t make the final.
  
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  March 19, 2023 8:51am
  - Centrist
    
    I expect us to lose to either South Africa or Ireland in the quarterfinals. If we get knocked out as expected, I hope France wins it.
    
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    March 19, 2023 9:05am
    - Colville
      
      The ABs will have 3 games that are a coin toss at best.
      The old problem for the ABs is the opposition always play their best game of the tournament** against the ABs and this time around we just dont have the coaching skill to get us past that level of passion three weeks in a row.
      
      Like 2003 vs Aussie … Aussies were a shadow of that team the next week.
      
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      March 19, 2023 9:17am
      - Colville
        
        actually just looking at the pools again…
        
        We are in pool A with France…we could actually lose that game and still progress as 2nd place in the pool so we would get the winners of pool B (SA or IRE) and IF we won that we would be up against France again.
        
        The final is going to be against either Aussie or Eng…so a cake walk 🙂
        
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        March 19, 2023 9:23am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      They won’t pay either if they lose to France in the round robin
      
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      March 19, 2023 10:29am
  - Mike
    
    TAB (and I) says you are wrong. NZ second favorite currently. Side of the draw is irrelevant. Current odds:
    France 3.25
    New Zealand 3.75
    Ireland 5.00
    South Africa 6.00
    England 8.00
    Australia 10.00
    Argentina 26.00
    Scotland 36.00
    
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    March 19, 2023 9:06am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Mike – Looks like the same odds for Luxon becoming PM!!! 36.00
      
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      March 19, 2023 11:01am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Never bet against the All Blacks
      
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      March 19, 2023 12:00pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  Is that the same Ireland side that beat us at home for the first time ever last year, and then did it again? That one?
  
  Foster will “lead” the All Blacks to their first ever loss in pool play at the RWC, in Game 1 vs France. We will qualify second and face one of South Africa, Ireland or Scotland, and if SA or Ireland will have a very hard time of it.
  
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  March 19, 2023 12:18pm
Tomtoddy

Mayor Brown has lined up road cones as part of “fixing the mess in Auckland”. He reckons its costing $145 million for safety in the city. Mostly excessive use of road cones. Good on him.

He can carry on around the country when he has Auckland sorted.
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March 19, 2023 8:19am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  One of the few growth industries in NZ, Road Cones!!!!!
  
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  March 19, 2023 8:33am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The road cones stored in warehouses breed. Population explosion, so they have to be stored somewhere. Side of the road is a good storage place.
    
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    March 19, 2023 9:01am
  - kowtow
    
    Yep , road cones and marijuana cones.
    
    Sums up where we’re at in 2023.
    
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    March 19, 2023 9:07am
  - pdm
    
    You are so right FT.
    
    We went from Hastings to Lower Hutt Tuesday, back Wednesday of last week. Hardly a kilometer gap before the next cone appeared and don’t ask about the Stop Go people. That too is surely a growth industry.
    
    As an aside it was my first time driving Transmission Gully and it was a pleasure both ways. Steeper than expected but an easy road to drive.
    
    In fact the drive on the expressway from Otaki both ways was excellent too.
    
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    March 19, 2023 9:25am
    - oldfella
      
      Come on, pdm, use the correct name. The one ‘gifted’ by the local special people.
      No excuse to keep calling it Transmission Gully.
      Is it really that hard to remember it’s now called Te Ara Nui o Te Rangihaeata? 😉
      
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      March 19, 2023 10:25am
      - pdm
        
        Bugger that Oldfella.
        
        Some of us have to stand firm.
        
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        March 19, 2023 11:12am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      TG surface is rough in places, had been since month one. Otaki to Waikanae is billiard table smooth – should be 110kmph to McKay’s Crossing.
      
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      March 19, 2023 12:03pm
- Richard
  
  It is ridiculously over the top. 3 trucks and hundreds of road cones taking up about 400 metres of road, narrowing to one lane so 3 people could pick up rubbish at the Haywards Interchange (Upper Hutt). These people were on the steep embankment about as far away from traffic as possible. The chances of something bad happening to them is miniscule. It must be costing a fortune. Good on ya, Wayne.
  
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  March 19, 2023 9:12am
- NothingLeft
  
  Aren’t these (wildly excessive, completely decoupled from reality and any consideration of cost/benefit) rules imposed by govt? In which case local govt hands may be tied.
  
  Worst of all I think National was responsible for much of the excess in health and safety laws.
  
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  March 19, 2023 10:37am
  - rouppe
    
    Weeeellll…
    
    Putting in law to require an employer to run a safe(r) workplace is no bad thing.
    
    Is the zealots who constantly drive down the bar of what is “unsafe” that are the problem.
    
    Once upon a time a mower would just mow the motorway shoulders. Then a sign saying “Caution mower in operation” was sufficient. Then some temporary speed signs slowing you down to 80kph. Then 70kph.
    
    Then it really took off. There was the ute with the flashing sign. Then a whole lane was closed. Then the remaining lane was slowed to 50kph. Then the ute was replaced with the truck with the crash barrier.
    
    Why does the truck need a crash barrier? Because its in the fucking way!
    
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    March 19, 2023 11:12am
  - septic skeptic
    
    I might have this wrong, but my understanding is that directors can be held PERSONALLY liable if they haven’t ensured all practicable steps are taken to mitigate risk. That skews the calculation for them, because in government and council entities, plus llarge corporates they are weighing their own money against that of shareholders, taxpayers and ratepayers. So they are motivated to spend millions mitigating tiny risks.
    
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    March 19, 2023 12:27pm
I remember when

A good game of rugby spoiled by what must be the silliest rule in sport.
Even then Auckland should have at least had a chance to win the game.
Both ‘knocks on’ after tries had been awarded, involved shoulder contact without arms (or in the first case one arm) being used in tackles that resulted in ball being lost forward.
In Mo’unga it was ‘no arms’ probably penalty try.
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March 19, 2023 8:20am
- david
  
  But then IRW, we would need to argue the forward passes in the build-ups to those “tries” that were not picked up.
  It is what it was.
  
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  March 19, 2023 9:52am
  - I remember when
    
    Both tries were reviewed the forward passes weren’t.
    Perhaps my real beef is the selective nature of some of the yellow cards especially when use of arms is used.
    Both of last night’s decisions were because there was danger in wrapping the arms as a second defender was involved.
    However, that is frequently the case when ‘no-arm’ tackles result in yellow cards.
    We won’t mention Christie.
    
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    March 19, 2023 12:43pm
Yvette

Pakeha Fascism?
An awful lot would have to go completely right for Julian Batchelor before his currently tiny travelling roadshow burgeoned into a movement capable of mustering 100,000 New Zealanders in the Auckland Domain. …
It is, sadly, entirely possible for the worst to happen. If Batchelor becomes the voice of aggrieved Pakeha. If National, Act, NZ First, and all the others rally to his cause – for fear of being lumped in with the “treatyists”, the “cultural Marxists”, and all the other manifestations of the “Woke Left” – then a great, 100,000-strong, gathering of the right- wing clans in the Auckland Domain on Election Eve suddenly becomes a “live” proposition.
Fascism almost always starts small. Sadly, it doesn’t always stay that way. Especially when the Left helps it to grow. – Chris Trotter
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Julian-Batchelor-is-a-fascist-Chris-Trotter.pdf

The “planned culmination of Batchelor’s anti-Co-Governance crusade is a 100,000-strong gathering to be held at the Auckland Domain on the eve of the General Election.”

In any organisation, the ratio of passive to active members is generally around 10:1. Batchelor is, therefore, hoping that at least 20 percent of New Zealanders are mad as hell about co-governance, everything it represents, and that they’re not going to take it anymore.

■ But isn’t just over 5 percent of New Zealanders – mad as hell about co-governance – and voting for a “One Person – One Vote” Party a better target?
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March 19, 2023 8:24am
- Mike
  
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  Is there such a party? Have you joined it, or founded it, yet?
  
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  March 19, 2023 9:09am
  - Yvette
    
    Mike – No, No, and No
    Is there a need for such a party? – probably ‘Yes’
    
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    March 19, 2023 9:33am
    - Mike
      
      There are probably irreconcilable differences between the likely members, let alone candidates and leaders, of such a party.
      It would need to scoop up the 100,000 or so who voted last time for the New Conservatives, Advance NZ, Legalise Cannabis, ONE, Vision NZ, Outdoors, TEA, Sustainable NZ, Social Credit, Heartland, and the unregistered parties and independent candidates.
      I wouldn’t feel very encouraged if I were you.
      
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      March 19, 2023 10:04am
      - Yvette
        
        Mike – I wouldn’t feel very encouraged if I were you
        
        I had hoped my comment offered neither support or not.
        I just wonder why Batchelor would put so much effort into a protest – 100,000-strong, gathering of the right- wing clans in the Auckland Domain on Election Eve – to be dismissed after the proverbial 9 hours of ‘fame’, when a political party may have more lasting effect and impact.
        Why bring a knife to a gunfight?
        
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        March 19, 2023 11:27am
      - Ghost
        
        Any parties checks on his background would have them running to the hills, which could be why they are staying away from him.
        
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        March 19, 2023 11:35am
      - Nickc2
        
        Geez, Mike, the registration fees from all Parties will be sufficient to pay off the National Debt eh?
        Talk about splitting the vote!
        
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        March 19, 2023 11:38am
      - Mike
        
        100,000 supporters at the Auckland Domain? How likely is that?
        
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        March 19, 2023 11:40am
      - Ghost
        
        Depends. How many multiple personalities would be needed
        
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        March 19, 2023 11:47am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    ACT have clearly stated that is one of their policies. A lobby group is better to get other parties to adopt the same A one issue party is only going to waste the vote – particularly if it doesn’t get across the threshold.
    
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    March 19, 2023 1:30pm
- Swifty
  
  What a greatly disappointing piece from Trotter.
  
  I haven’t the time this morning to write all that I’d like to say about it, but in summary:
  
  According to Trotter if you oppose Labour extremism, their attempts to bring in racially discriminatory structures, models and laws and you believe that everyone should be equal under the law then YOU are the fascist and YOU are the racist.
  
  Exactly how this so he doesn’t explain.
  
  I just can’t believe we’ve fallen this far so quickly.
  
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  March 19, 2023 9:55am
  - nathie
    
    Oh that’s nothing, wait until any large protests begin and we will see Trotter write something like this (like he did in Feb 2022):
    
    “if you oppose Labour extremism …. then the full force of the State must be unleashed on those protesters including state sanctioned violence”.
    
    Funny how the (far) left uphold the right to protest, to disrupt and to clash …. unless those protesters are from the (so-called) “right” (including Maori and greenie hippies) then it needs to be stopped right now by any and all means necessary …
    
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    March 19, 2023 11:14am
  - slijmbal
    
    While I like Trotter’s writing style, the fact he uses grown up words and is willing to criticise the left he does have a liking for conspiracy theories and veers off in weird directions at times.
    
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    March 19, 2023 4:30pm
- Lee C
  
  Yvette, the Labour Party and its watercarriers know that their best way of stifling dissent and brwobeating people into electoral success is to brand opposition as ‘racist’.
  
  In my view, this was a major stimulus for them to engage in Co-Governance as a concept. It allows them to inflame racial divisiveness, then cry crocodile tears and accuse non-Maori of ‘racism’ (now getting ramped up to ‘fascism’) if they dare to object…
  
  It is an electoral ploy, long in the formulation.
  
  Trotter knows this.
  
  He should be ashamed of himself.
  
  But we know he won’t be.
  
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  March 19, 2023 2:03pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Chris Trotter became one of those cute Liberals when he came out on the side of anti-woke free speech a couple of years ago. But he’s a bit like Bill Maher in the US, he flatters to deceive.
  
  Once a Marxist, always a Marxist. He truly believes in the class struggle and if the classes run out of struggle–because capitalism made us all free and wealthy–then you create more struggle through wokeness and Green-ness.
  
  Trotter knows this but pretends otherwise. Why? I don’t know. I guess he has a shred of decency–and perhaps guilt–in him. But it won’t prevent him from bringing on dystopia.
  
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  March 19, 2023 7:06pm
Bridgenag

Before and After
The Covid 19 Vaccine Story

https://open.substack.com/pub/thenewera/p/before-and-after?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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March 19, 2023 8:26am
- ClanMcleod
  
  In conjunction with Joel Smalley, excellent. I will watch that a little later, I am sure it will be very good.
  If you missed this one I posted yesterday you will probably enjoy it. Dr Tess Lawrie. A very powerful poetry reading and her battle to have Ivermectin recognised as an early treatment.
  
  https://margaretannaalice.substack.com/p/mistakes-were-not-made-an-anthem-57a?publication_id=347114&post_id=108784524&isFreemail=false
  
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  March 19, 2023 10:06am
Nickc2

Wait for the protests by the luvvies and unions and of course anti Mayor Brown sentiment from the Herald.
No doubt the Maori movement will want a prayer for the demise of each cone and each member’s job.
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March 19, 2023 8:35am
Simon

Trump being arrested? NZ is a vassal of GAE so it’s important here. What happens in Merica follows here. Merica decline is NZ decline.
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March 19, 2023 8:42am
- Inandout
  
  Simon, TDS people will look under every rock to find a reason to stop that man from running for President again. Biden has even used taxpayer money to buy out the depositor debt of any bank that is collapsing and looks to be wanting complete control of the US monetary system. The FBI are dragging their feet over the Biden money go around until the time is ripe, and that will be a soft investigation.
  
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  March 19, 2023 9:31am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    TDS has really consumed them. You can not even debate with them without being branded ‘Racist’
    Unless someone assassinates Trump, he will win in 2024. Landslide. He is playing the Democrat’s game now, possible cheating in States that allow it.
    He is fighting hard. The Schools, Universities, Media, Public Employees, are all against him. The fight of his life – all to Make America Great Again. You have to admit America is in a real mess right now. For every new regulation he will remove two useless ones.
    
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    March 19, 2023 10:06am
    - mawm
      
      They will not allow him to win. Come hell or high water they will stop him as he is too huge a threat to their plans.
      
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      March 19, 2023 6:52pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance meeting yesterday in Orewa was drowned out by Maori activists.
The woke Police did nothing. Many, including myself have made a formal complaint to Police about their conduct. The Police must do their job, not be sightseers.
The meeting went ahead anyway. 4 times Julian Batchelor asked the Police to do their job – nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB25zZmhC3c
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March 19, 2023 9:08am
- Gravelroad
  
  @steve
  Bully tactics by a shallow, aggrieved minority group trying to shut down discussion with which they do not agree – sure.
  But did they break any laws?
  Was it a public meeting?
  If the Police had moved them on, imagine the publicity these protesters would have got in the msm – just for singing songs etc.
  
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  March 19, 2023 9:54am
  - kowtow
    
    It’s a typical fascist tactic , disrupting peaceful, democratic political meetings.
    
    But I won’t hold my breath waiting for te media pardy or Trotter to call it what it is.
    
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    March 19, 2023 10:16am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes it was a Public meeting. There are many charges Police could use. Disorderly behavior, stopping free speech, breaking and entering. The side door was closed and curtains pulled to stop some of the noise. Activists pulled back the curtains and stood by them while two others pulled 4 padbolt locks, opened the doors and stood by them so nobody could close them without using force. That is breaking, even though done from the inside. One Maori woman even resorted to swearing “Fs” and “Cs” Disgusting behaviour!
    Maori said ‘if we want a meeting, come to the Marae’ Well if people visited the Marae and behaved like that they would be removed – even by Police.
    We were all given a book pack and some cards. One of my Partner’s books had pages torn, from a previous meeting. That is destruction of private property!
    
    This is the future of New Zealand. Tribal rule by the Maori Elite. None of these rowdy activists are Tribal Elite. The Elite are the ones who have hogged all of the “Settlement money’ Where have those billions of dollars gone? Certainly not to rowdy activists. Co-Governance must be stopped.
    
    Gravelroad, the Media were there. I saw 5 cameras in all. Media have nothing better to do other than encourage shit stirrers.
    
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    March 19, 2023 10:28am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      The more they make these meetings uncomfortable and embarrassing the fewer people will attend – that will be their strategy.
      
      The meeting in Mount Eden March 28th is going to be targeted the same way. Martyn Bomber Bradbury has clearly signalled this intention. So how does JB and the Stop Co-governance group combat this?
      
      Is there a way to make this harder ie only people who sign up to attend can be there. T’s and C’s on signing include agreeing to behave to a stated code of conduct or be ejected from the meeting? Hire their own security and remove any troublemakers?
      
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      March 19, 2023 11:36am
      - Nickc2
        
        The trouble is, doing that in Akld would involve the Security Guards taking off their uniforms and joining the protestors even though they wouldn’t know what the protest was about.
        Take a look at those in the Security Industry in Akld.
        
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        March 19, 2023 11:44am
      - Gravelroad
        
        @pineapple –
        First thing I would do is get both legal and police advice about any rules and regs applicable to attendance at a future public meeting.
        If a bona fide meeting is disrupted so that it is unable to carry on in a civilised fashion, the chairperson is within their rights to ask those causing the disruption to leave.
        If they don’t leave, the police should be asked to take some action – similar as they did at the anti mandate protests at Parliament.
        Also, the owners of the meeting venue come into play here re health and safety regs applicable to events being held on their premises.
        
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        March 19, 2023 11:50am
      - Ruawai
        
        Sell tickets for say $5, no ticket no entry.
        
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        March 19, 2023 11:58am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The activists give the Stop Co-Governance movement more exposure.
        If anyone can put up with seeing unruly behaviour and noise, please go.
        The activists don’t realise the help they are giving.
        
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        March 19, 2023 11:59am
      - wairarapapaul
        
        Have tens of thousands of people turn up so the hecklers are severely outnumbered
        
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        March 19, 2023 12:19pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @wairarapapaul,
        Election day evening, Auckland Domain
        
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        March 19, 2023 1:27pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    They weren’t too fazed battering the Wellington protestors while moving them on.
    
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    March 20, 2023 4:46am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Getting a wee taste of life under our new governors.
  
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  March 19, 2023 10:42am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Possible new governors. They must be stopped.
    
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    March 19, 2023 10:51am
- thirteenstars
  
  Batchelor seems like one of those nice guys who didn’t quite know what he was getting into. Or maybe he did but just comes across as slightly nebbish.
  
  Either way, the man is doing Heroic work. Make no doubt, folks, he is trying to save this country from destruction.
  
  And all you buggers here who have made millions off your property portfolio over the last very few years–yes, that’s YOU–better pony-up and donate big time to his cause if you want to keep your little slice of that government-policy-driven luck you’ve enjoyed.
  
  I think we understand ourselves, right? Get over there and donate .1% of your recent untaxed capital gains to save this country:
  
  https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/donations/donate-now/
  
  And have a nice day.
  
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  March 19, 2023 7:32pm
Grunter

So once again we read that Biden is rejecting any attempts of peace talks in Ukraine. China trying to broker a deal, details yet to come but already rejected. All wars ultimately end in some sort of negotiated peace deal. The sooner it happens the fewer lives are lost.

The US are trying to force a global war on the rest of us.
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March 19, 2023 9:08am
- MCōs
  
  There’s a problem here
  What right does America, or any of us have to give bits of Ukraine away to Russia?
  It happened in 2014 and Putin just wants more.
  
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  March 19, 2023 9:56am
  - Ghost
    
    The USA, like all nations should not be picking a side and financing it, but should instead be pushing for peace.
    
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    March 19, 2023 10:01am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Under Biden, millions if not billions of dollars have been given to Ukraine. Then equipment.
      Back home the Veterans are treated like shit.
      
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      March 19, 2023 10:54am
      - kowtow
        
        Funny innit , he’s spending billions of tax payer’s $ to “protect” Ukraine’s borders , while his own, north and south are literally being over run.
        
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        March 19, 2023 12:25pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Kowtow. Joe is not aware, it is his puppeteer.
        
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        March 19, 2023 1:29pm
  - kowtow
    
    Happened in 1945 to Germany , maybe the Soviets are just doing what they do.
    
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    March 19, 2023 10:17am
  - Grunter
    
    Of course there’s a problem. But solving it with a global war wheee the players have enough nukes to end the planet is not a good option. The only good option is negotiated peace.
    
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    March 19, 2023 10:21am
    - septic skeptic
      
      And if Putin wants NZ you would negotiate whether we ceded the North Island or the South?
      
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      March 19, 2023 12:36pm
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        If a 3rd of the country was ethnically Russian, maybe something to concider instead if war?
        
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        March 19, 2023 1:33pm
- Nickc2
  
  The US also stands to make a lot of money from the war. Without conflicts, the US Arms Industry would be out of business.
  Remember, all military hardware given to Ukraine by the US is paid for by the US Govt and the money-go-round just keeps trucking on.
  And, of course, there are sizeable financial donations made to the Democrats’ Political Coffers by the Arms Industries.
  
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  March 19, 2023 11:56am
Yvette

National? Winston? Julian Bachelor? Or some else …
… One key He Puapua initiative – the introduction of Maori control of health – is now having such a dire effect that some are warning the health system is on the verge of complete collapse.

Another policy area that experts have warned will end in disaster is Labour’s key He Puapua initiative to deliver control of water to Maori through the Three Waters reforms.

When Chris Hipkins finally announces his proposed changes to Three Waters, it will signal whether, like Jacinda Ardern he remains committed to tribal rule and an Apartheid regime for New Zealand, or whether he intends to restore democracy and equal rights.

Since we do not know how serious Chris Hipkins is about reversing He Puapua and other ideological policies, this would be an ideal time to let him and his colleagues know that the woke agenda his party has imposed onto our country is now out of control and must be reversed.
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National also needs to be left in no doubt that New Zealanders deserve to know whether their Party will declare a war on woke and take a stand against insidious racism, intolerance, and vindictiveness, or whether they intend sitting on their hands and turning a blind eye.

The reality is that New Zealand needs a champion to save the country from the woke mess it is now in. Will Chris Hipkins or Christopher Luxon step up – or will it be someone else?
https://www.nzcpr.com/the-war-on-woke/
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March 19, 2023 9:14am
Surely Knott

Matt Taibi releases the latest Twitter files showing Stanford University’ “Virality Project” “which federal agencies bankrolled to engage in detecting and mitigating the impact of false and misleading narratives related to covid vaccines” )
(Although the communications revealed clearly show they were telling Twitter to take action on true comments they didn’t like as well.)

How close is the “lockstep” with the govt funded “disinformation project “ here in nz . Which was part of th en fully govt funded Te punaha matatini. And “hosted” by Auckland University.

Stanford University!!! One of the worlds most elite liberal universities known for standing for civil rights was funded by govt to control free speech. Our universities are compromised. Like media they were part of the checks and balances of our democracies and we find they are up for sale. They are supposed to be and independent check on the state.

We need questions asked in parliament and full disclosure on the directives given to the hateful Disinformation project and their relationship with government. Te punaha matatini is an arms length govt department and should be subject to lgoima imho.
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March 19, 2023 9:40am
- ClanMcleod
  
  There will be no questions asked in Parliament or anywhere else. Total narrative control and suppression of any dissenting voices. NZ is beginning to make North Korea look liberal.
  
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  March 20, 2023 4:54am
Yvette

Over recent weeks the question of whether Tusiata Avia’s poem about Captain Cook was hate speech or art, has been a heated topic of debate around the country which has generated comment from Act Party leader, David Seymour and the Race Relations Commissioner, Meng Foon who has received in excess of 270 letters of complaint from members of the public about the poem. The National Party has not expressed a view on the furore.
https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/thomas-cranmer-challenging-progressivism-in-new-zealand-s-culture-wars

But isn’t the schools’ new New Zealand History Curriculum the same as the ‘poem” – just longer and not quite so direct?
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March 19, 2023 9:49am
- Mike
  
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  Please provide some quotes from the curriculum to substantiate your claim.
  
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  March 19, 2023 10:49am
  - Yvette
    
    Mike –
    history
    PAUL MOON: Shaping things to come: New Zealand’s new history curriculum
    https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/paul-moon-shaping-things-to-come-new-zealand-s-new-history-curriculum
    
    THE NEW ZEALAND HISTORIES CURRICULUM
    https://www.democracyaction.org.nz/new_zealand_histories_curriculum
    
    DON BRASH: THE NEW HISTORY CURRICULUM? IT’S CRAP
    https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/don-brash-the-new-history-curriculum-it-s-crap
    
    poem
    GRAHAM ADAMS: It’s open season on white men
    https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-it-s-open-season-on-white-men
    
    Books editor Claire Mabey has some advice for those who have trouble reading poems (which has been happening a bit lately)
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/books/27-02-2023/how-to-read-a-poem
    
    Poet Tusiata Avia lashes ACT after party calls book The Savage Coloniser ‘racist’ and ‘hate-fuelled’
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/03/poet-tusiata-avia-lashes-act-after-party-calls-book-the-savage-coloniser-racist-and-hate-fuelled.html
    
    Google
    https://www.google.co.nz
    easy to find on most computer Internet browsers – a bit like you found Kiwiblog
    
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    March 19, 2023 11:55am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Now you done gone and make his head hurt. A good job.
      
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      March 19, 2023 12:06pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Mike puts hands over eyes and runs way.
      
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      March 19, 2023 12:39pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Oma rapeti
        
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        March 19, 2023 1:30pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Don’t bother replying to his obvious trolling, Yvette. He has zero interest in reading anything that disproves his world-view. He’s just a shit-poster, ignore.
      
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      March 19, 2023 1:33pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Exactly right. The one sentence question is a classic tactic from MMA and simply an invitation for you to waste your time digging up stuff which he will then treat with complete contempt and silence. He’s not interested in a debate with what he regards as ignorant, bigoted, Low-IQ scum, only in being entertained by them.
        
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        March 19, 2023 2:00pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Don’t bother replying to his obvious trolling, Yvette.
        
        I’m pleased Yvette did… she’s usually got a good load of references to add to her initial posts.
        
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        March 19, 2023 2:07pm
      - Swifty
        
        That’s Cathy’s lone speciality Tom.
        
        She’s a one trick pony.
        
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        March 19, 2023 3:10pm
    - Mike
      
      Very interesting, Yvette. Nothing there to indicate you have read the curriculum for yourself, of course.
      
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      March 19, 2023 2:35pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Did you read them Mike? Or just make another useless trolling statement?
        As I said, she done gone and made your head hurt.
        Have a good day.
        
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        March 19, 2023 3:26pm
      - Mike
        
        Only Paul Moon’s, as he is always worth teading.
        Every day with test cricket in it isa good day.
        
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        March 19, 2023 3:37pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Mike – getting confused between being a smarty pants and being smart again.
    
    He who writes the past controls the future.
    
    Our students have been subjected to the new NZ history this term. Lots of videos with Maori presenters telling them what a bad thing colonisation has been. Pretty clear we have a racial power struggle going on in NZ. Yvette is correct in calling this out.
    
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    March 19, 2023 1:14pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Those presenters don’t mind using the colonisation microphones, and those colonisation video cameras.
      The racial power struggle you speak of is at:
      http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
      Enjoy.
      
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      March 19, 2023 3:30pm
sirknz

Is anyone able to explain to me what the hell Sharon Murdoch’s cartoon on $tuff is about today?

It looks like Super Hipkins giving the Green team something but I have no idea what it is in reference to.

This is why the left can’t meme. You should be able to get the context and the meaning from what is presented.
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March 19, 2023 9:55am
- kowtow
  
  Just don’t click on it and don’t encourage others to.
  
  Send a message that way.
  
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  March 19, 2023 10:18am
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    The chances of Kiwiblog snowflakes avoiding Stuff seem slim, if being prime sources for complaining.
    
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    March 19, 2023 10:52am
- fritter
  
  Its a tampon, mocking Tiger Woods joke.
  
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  March 19, 2023 10:44am
- H. Upmann
  
  Why on earth would you even consider viewing Murdoch porn?
  
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  March 19, 2023 10:47am
  - sirknz
    
    Award winning cartoonist apparently.
    
    I was scrolling through the front page trying to find a nugget of something approximating information and there it was.
    
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    March 19, 2023 12:40pm
- Swifty
  
  I thought it was a pea shooter and pea.
  
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  March 19, 2023 11:25am
- Surely Knott
  
  I follow Leunig on instagram. He was cancelled for questions about the mandates. Lovely thoughtful, uplifting cartoonist. I Recommend him instead of Murdoch.
  
  https://www.instagram.com/leunigstudio/?hl=en
  
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  March 19, 2023 12:13pm
Southern Raider

Stuff has an article about some America stay “that raves about Aotearoa”

But when you read the article the stay never once referred to our country as that and said she “loves New Zealand”

Is Stuff paid to try and sell the narrative of us having a new official name for NZ?
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March 19, 2023 11:02am
- MDQ
  
  In the last couple of weeks Suff has gone into hyperdrive with use of the A word. It’s thrown needlessly into most Articles, many headings and even their daily quiz. They clearly have decided to step it up for some reason.
  Soon after Ardern first came to power she was asked if she supported a country name change. Her answer as I recall was “not yet”. Clearly they had already decided to make the change by stealth and that an indoctrination campaign by their media and advertising allies was to be instigated to soften the population before announcing the change. Perhaps the time is getting near.
  
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  March 19, 2023 12:36pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    MDQ – “Clearly they had decided to make the change by stealth…”
    
    You have hit the nail squarely on the head!
    
    Our beloved Queen of lies and gaslighting, also said
    
    We won’t be mandating vaccines
    
    Then introduced mandates, and was happy to acknowledge she had created two classes of citizens:
    
    Yip, yip that is what it is.
    
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    March 19, 2023 2:10pm
- sirknz
  
  Yes, $tuff is paid to sell this narrative, it is done through the PIJF.
  
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  March 19, 2023 12:41pm
Chuck Bird

Is not against he rule for any MP to critisize judges or police and not just ministers?
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March 19, 2023 11:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The same rules apply to ordinary MPs as to Ministers.
  
  Basic separation of Parliament from the Judiciary.
  
  Judicial independence
  Judges are independent from the other branches of Government and from each other. Judges must be free to determine each case according to the law, based on the evidence presented in court. This means that judges must be free from influence from every person including, but not limited to, the Governor-General, Members of Parliament (including Ministers) and Government officials.
  
  https://www.justice.govt.nz/courts/going-to-court/without-a-lawyer/representing-yourself-civil-high-court/new-zealands-constitutional/
  
  This is all basic stuff that MPs should be well aware of before they even stand for Parliament.
  
  https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/criticising-judiciary
  
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  March 19, 2023 11:17am
  - Nickc2
    
    Except if your name is Nash or Dyson eh?
    
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    March 19, 2023 11:23am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Thanks Maggy.
    
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    March 19, 2023 2:46pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/orewa-event-a-super-success/

Success yes, but a shocking display by activists, and shocking display by Police.
The Police were outnumbered 3 to 1.
I hope the next meeting there will be more Police, with more Police action. Ruakaka/Waipu I think.
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March 19, 2023 11:06am
nathie

Breaking News!!?!

The Parliamentary server has crashed and experts say it will be out of action for some time …. it seems it became overloaded as frantic Labour MP’s attempted to download the Cabinet Manual to read over the weekend before the Parliamentary Press Gallery “intercepted” them first thing on Monday morning to ask each one of them whether they have ever read the Cabinet Manual.

But time may be on Labour’s side … a leaked communique from the NZ’s new Ambassador in Ireland suggested turning on the parliamentary sprinkler system to douse the reporters as they arrive and to have Stuart Nash quietly ask his best mate Coster to redeploy 125 cops from the Hawkes Bay back to Wellington to guard the beehive pronto!
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March 19, 2023 11:27am
- kowtow
  
  I thort it was cos they was all checking out the Blue Saphire website………
  
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  March 19, 2023 12:20pm
  - nathie
    
    You can bet Fraser House staffers & the MSM will be looking at it …. to see what dirt they can drag up to smear National with!!
    
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    March 19, 2023 12:56pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    Few of the female MPs looking for a job after the election???
    
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    March 19, 2023 1:42pm
    - kowtow
      
      They’ve had plenty of practise , screwing us over.
      
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      March 19, 2023 5:50pm
slightlyrighty

We could well be seeing a historical Perp Walk on Wednesday NZ time.

Whatever your political leanings, and indictment of the Former POTUS is a notable event.
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March 19, 2023 12:06pm
- kowtow
  
  If and that’s a bigly if , they do it will be more than notable.
  
  It will signal a seismic shift in modern American politics and will convince even more people that there is something very dangerous and vindictive lurking in the Swamp .
  
  I’d say it could even be a catalyst , not an immediate one , but a catalyst non the less for civil war.
  
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  March 19, 2023 12:19pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The arrest will happen, the indictment won’t.
  5D Chess remember?
  
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  March 19, 2023 12:28pm
  - mawm
    
    The only thing in doubt is how big will the SWAT team be. Oh, and will it be only CNN or the whole lot of the Biden-supporting bought and paid for MSM TV crews there to film it and replay ad nauseam through out the election season.
    
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    March 19, 2023 7:07pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Trump to be arrested. It will just increase his poll numbers.

https://valiantnews.com/2023/03/trump-i-will-be-arrested-on-tuesday-its-time-to-protest-take-our-nation-back/
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March 19, 2023 12:13pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

In other news, after Friday’s softener it’s another nice day at the Basin.
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March 19, 2023 12:19pm
wairarapapaul

Is there any potential to compensate the people who lost their jobs due to the mandate after Labour stating no mandate and is there any potential to compensate those that have developed health issues after forced jabs ? Labour and especially their leaders need to be held to account and people need compo.
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March 19, 2023 12:23pm
- kevn
  
  @waira… If only. I gather it almost impossible for the jab damaged to get ACC.
  ‘yip, yip, that’s what it is’
  
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  March 19, 2023 1:12pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There were many disclaimers from Councils right through to the manufacturers, but they still blackmailed us and forced us to get jabbed or no job.
  Just remember these two-faced bastards come Election time.
  
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  March 19, 2023 3:38pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    and Govt
    
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    March 19, 2023 3:39pm
  - mawm
    
    All of them. National and ACT included.
    
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    March 19, 2023 7:09pm
I remember when

Went to the Central Districts Field Days yesterday and saw a beautful stretch of roading.
It was the track at Manfield.
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March 19, 2023 12:33pm
nathie

Does anyone know what remuneration former Prime Ministers receive?

Does it depend on what Ministerial portfolios or responsibilities they still have?

But what say if they no longer have any Ministerial portfolios or responsibilities?

Do they even need to turn up to their workplace anymore? But still get paid?

Asking for a “friend”! 😉
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March 19, 2023 12:54pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  They get something like $50k pa, plus a self drive car and a chauffer driven one when on business relevant to their ex PM status. Also whatever pension they are entitled to and there are some free air fares chucked in.
  
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  March 19, 2023 1:40pm
  - nathie
    
    Thanks, heh, I should have been a bit clearer, what salary does Ms Ardern receive at the moment? Has it reduced, if so by how much? What work (portfolios) is she actually doing? Or is has she been on extended glide-time (since January) until she leaves Parliament in April? Asking because she seems to have vanished!
    
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    March 19, 2023 5:06pm
Hugh Jarse

I see little Jimmy Shaw has warned New Zealand voters that in order to get the Greens support a party will need to have more Green Ministers around the Cabinet table and implement the strongest possible climate change and equality policies. Just what New Zealand needs, as if there aren’t enough muppets around the Cabinet table now, thanks for the heads up Jimmy.
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March 19, 2023 12:54pm
- mandk
  
  Having more Greens round the Cabinet table would be guaranteed to bring about a disaster for NZ.
  
  They would kill off livestock farming in NZ and ensure that meat production would happen elsewhere in the world that has more carbon intensive meat production than we do.
  
  Still, I suppose stupid gestures matter more than
  actually implementing sensible environmental policies.
  
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  March 19, 2023 1:36pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Apparently he’s going to give a ‘State of the globe!!!!” climate statement today. You couldn’t pay me enough to watch it, but hands up who thinks he’ll mention even once that the world is gently warming at a not-so-alarming 0.13C/decade over a longish term (an amount lost in the noise of natural variation and that no human could sense), and not at all over the last 8 years or so.
  Who thinks he’ll list out some of the failed predictions made by ‘experts’ in the field?
  Who thinks he’ll mention that the UK have just decided that nuclear energy counts as ‘sustainable’, thereby mostly likely bringing the solar/wind industry to a welcome end over there, and that maybe we could consider doing something similar here one day?
  Who thinks he’ll mention that it’s physically impossible to mine all the minerals required for us to go ‘net zero’ and still lead decent lives, let alone the staggering cost of trying it?
  Who thinks he’ll mention that CO2 is vital to life on earth and that it’s plant food?
  
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  March 19, 2023 3:31pm
Swifty

A little something for the kids and grandkids:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0EFSftV1d6w
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March 19, 2023 1:08pm
Vory v zakone

Worth noting Steve:

Trump DID NOT SAY that he will be arrested on Tuesday.
Trump said that the THE LEAKS SAID that he will be arrested on Tuesday.
😉
And perhaps Trump absolutely wants THIS indictment so that the precedent will be set for any former Presidents to be indicted…😳
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March 19, 2023 1:27pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Trump does not mind the indictment as it only gives more to his Election campaign.
  
  Oh,
  “Trump posted news of his impending arrest on Truth social on Saturday, informing supporters that he would be arrested on Tuesday.” I think he DID SAY.
  https://valiantnews.com/2023/03/mccarthy-orders-probe-into-manhattan-da-ahead-of-trump-arrest/
  
  Truthe Social, which I can’t get in NZ.
  
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  March 19, 2023 3:47pm
nathie

Coming to NZ cities by their woke city Councillors and transport planning consultants (with funding from local rates and Labour Govt taxpayer funding):

“Death trap” zebra crossings …. in which cycle lanes further encroach on to footpaths (also creating hazards for disabled and blind or deaf people) and creating “islands” for bus commuters or anyone parking and getting out of their cars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWPHJsGrK-A

Well we see in the news that people speeding on e-scooters crash into pedestrians and people alighting buses … expect far more injuries and potential death as Woke local bodies (and Labour/Green policy) enables cyclists to speed through crowds without any rules to slow down and give way!
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March 19, 2023 1:29pm
- mawm
  
  Not not true. The rules which apply to motorists apply to cyclists. The stupidity is how the cycle lanes have been designed and built.
  
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  March 19, 2023 7:13pm
Nickc2

Ya gotta love this! Aussie sheila gives new age sheilas a serve.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2023/03/i-love-her-more-strength-to-you.html
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March 19, 2023 1:37pm
- Ghost
  
  Nothing to do with newage.
  
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  March 19, 2023 1:41pm
Nickc2

Is this the reason for Co-Governance?
Aboriginals in Aust want to charge Aussies rent FFS.
Well, good luck with that eh?
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2023/03/aboriginal-elites-the-chosen-people-have-spoken.html
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March 19, 2023 1:45pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Rent. Is that a traditional thing, then?
  
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  March 19, 2023 2:21pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Nick, the aboriginals will get it, unless it is stopped. It is all up to how many aboriginal plants have been put into the Govt and the Justice system.
  New Zealand x 5
  
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  March 19, 2023 3:51pm
I remember when

Silicon Valley Bank was included in the Forbes “America’s Best Banks” list for the fifth year in a row, just last month.
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March 19, 2023 1:58pm
I remember when

If I was in a government I would want it to be world leading.
That way you wouldn’t have to change any policies that experience elsewhere shows don’t work.
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March 19, 2023 2:12pm
Maggy Wassilieff

A one-sided view of the Stop Co-Governance meeting at Orewa.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/anti-co-governance-roadshow-orewa-protesters-clash-with-attendees/VZQOUBFFUFG65CAGXGLS35BDCI/

And even though the Herald reports that:
many in the crowd objected to being filmed, it stills put up a video clip showing close-ups of the attendees, but not of the protesting folks who were shouting down the speakers’ comments.

Clearly the message is that the MSM will vilify citizens who attend the anti c0-governance meetings.
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March 19, 2023 2:15pm
- Philview
  
  Co-Governance is a bit like a fascist undertaking. A race based governance structure elevating one race over others. It is anti democratic. When discussions are held about it, a mob comes round to try and shut down the discussion. The media will not discuss Co-Governance except to attack critics of it.
  
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  March 19, 2023 2:49pm
  - DimChappie
    
    Yes it is outrageous. The protesters are escalating their aggression against Julian’s meetings. Threats are being made against venue management before the events. I hope I am wrong but I suspect there will be violence. It might take some televised violence to widen the co-governance ‘discussion’ we have been promised.
    
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    March 19, 2023 8:06pm
- kowtow
  
  And te media wonder why people distrust them .
  
  What they’re doing is tantamount to doxxing.( in intent).
  
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  March 19, 2023 5:53pm
kevn

@Maggy… In Gizzy prob 14th May. Time to plan how to manage intruders/interference.
Get the rugby club(s) players on door patrol.
Nudging.
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March 19, 2023 2:34pm
Swifty

An important message from the Ministry of Sex Equality:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=js5-OsdvqTY
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March 19, 2023 3:19pm
rouppe

Had a read in the Herald of James Shawn’s “state of the planet” speech.

“To any political party that wants the Green Party’s support to form a government after the election, let us put it as simply as we can: the Green Party will not accept anything less than the strongest possible climate action,” Shaw said.

Nothing surprising there. But his suggestion list is:

In light of Cyclone Gabrielle and other severe weather events, Shaw said climate action must include boosting rooftops solar panels and community turbines to reinforce power supplies, stronger homes and bridges, more disaster resources given to communities and advancing public transport options.

To my mind, none of those advance “climate action” which has constantly been phrased as reducing emissions as “the only way to stop climate change”. These look like adaptation strategies. Except the bridge thing which is bollocks. Just need to stop slash cooking up rivers, collecting at bridges and exceeding their design parameters

And the public transport thing, which would not help the residents of Puketapu one little bit and from my observations are for a significant proportion of the day huge diesel buses running nearly empty
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March 19, 2023 3:20pm
- kevn
  
  @rouppe… shaw is just the master virtue signaller. Anything to get him a gig/trough in the coming years.
  
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  March 19, 2023 4:05pm
- Widogast Corwin
  
  At least so far, the Government cannot force people to use public transport. Although if the Greens are part of a Government I expect that to change.
  
  Of course we need public transport. However the situation in Christchurch is insanity. Large buses, most of them diesel, with (mostly) between zero and 10 passengers. How can this be allowed to happen?
  
  Anyway, James Shaw reminds me of an abused partner with Labour. They get screwed over and go back for more. How is he going to be in a position to “demand” that Labour does stuff? He has ruled out a coalition with National. What can he do? It is hilarious.
  
  He makes out that National are the devil. There are only marginal differences between Labour and National on climate change. The REAL reason he can’t go with National is because the communist faction in the Greens would walk away and split the party. It has NOTHING to do with climate change.
  
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  March 19, 2023 5:34pm
Ghost

Germany’s Minister of Health Karl Lauterbach, who once claimed that COVID-19 vaccination is free of side effects, admitted last week that he was wrong, saying adverse reactions occur at a rate of one in 10,000 doses and can cause “severe disabilities.”

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March 19, 2023 4:10pm
kevn

@Ghost… I wonder if he was one the pollie glitterati who took saline jabs rather than the ‘real’ ones. Because the high failure/adverse effect rate was well known a long time ago.
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March 19, 2023 4:26pm
- mawm
  
  One just has to look who was not mandated to have the jab in the US. Most notably the Congress and the Senate and those working at CDC.
  
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  March 19, 2023 7:16pm
Swifty

Were I in the Greens position I would hope I had the courage of my convictions and my arguments marshalled to debate anyone I thought wrong on a matter – with a purpose of defeating them, publicly, and their arguments and to win folk to my way of thinking.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/486286/rainbow-greens-ask-government-to-ban-anti-transgender-activist-from-new-zealand

But no, our Greens just want to ban people so they don’t have to make an effort.

(As to the Aussie Nazi inferences, I know nothing but will look that up. I certainly can say that in tens of hours of listening and watching Kellie-Jay Keen I’ve never heard anything even remotely like that from her.

And as for her being ‘far-right’, what a joke. It’s an outright lie from whomever called her that. And a disgraceful debating tactic.)
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March 19, 2023 4:38pm
- Widogast Corwin
  
  The MEN who did the Nazi salutes hijacked the event. I too have listened to many hours of her talks. There is nothing ‘nazi’ about her. Indeed she was a life long member of the UK Labour Party until she was forced out over her views on trans issues.
  
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  March 19, 2023 5:37pm
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    Serial downticker alert. Can you point to Kelli-Jay making any “nazi” statements?
    
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    March 19, 2023 6:16pm
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Let’s get them ticking some more:
      
      LET WOMEN SPEAK are hosting Kellie-Jay next Saturday (25th March) in Albert Park from 11am – 1pm.
      
      https://mobile.twitter.com/SpeakUp4WomenNZ/status/1636488521526685699/photo/1
      
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      March 19, 2023 10:04pm
- Widogast Corwin
  
  “And as for her being ‘far-right’, what a joke”
  
  Indeed. She was a member of the UK Labour Party for a couple of decades. She has said that she still holds “left” views but got forced out of the Party.
  
  Her views are simple to describe:
  
  She does not want “women” with a penis in women’s spaces such as locker rooms.
  
  She does not want children transitioned and mutilated.
  
  She does not want biological men in women’s sports.
  
  That is it. Some Nazi.
  
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  March 19, 2023 5:40pm
- Swifty
  
  “She describes herself as a women’s rights activist, but she is mostly known for her anti-transgender opinions.
  
  It is not suggested she had any link with Saturday’s violence.”
  
  Well, that’s something.
  
  “But her controversial views are believed to have sparked the tense clash between anti-trans and pro-trans activists in front of Victoria’s Parliament House.”
  
  She didn’t spark anything. Some arseholes turned up and did their thing. Nothing whatsoever to do with Kelly-Jay Keen.
  
  https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/antitrans-speakers-fans-throw-nazi-salute-amid-counterprotest/news-story/997b16c1c4cbd5a6c72805f78c77a49b?amp
  
  Kelly-Jay Keen is in no way responsible for the actions of a few thugs.
  
  Maybe the next National government should start banning lefty speakers entry to the country out of fear of who might come out of the woodwork – maybe then the left in NZ might get a taste of their own medicine.
  
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  March 19, 2023 6:27pm
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    We should start by banning Menedez from entry into NZ. Importing and paying anti-society activists is harmful to NZers.
    
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    March 19, 2023 8:27pm
sirknz

Oh look, the Greens are after a capital gains tax again…

https://archive.fo/sUYXF [$tuff]
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March 19, 2023 6:14pm
Widogast Corwin

This guy James Shaw is such a liar.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131540423/greens-call-for-capital-gains-tax-and-end-to-petrol-tax-cuts-at-party-rally

How is petrol “subsidised” in New Zealand. It is heavily taxed to pay for public transport and cycleways.

The ONLY reason these guys can get away with lies is because the media are complicit.
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March 19, 2023 6:14pm
- Ghost
  
  He’s talking about the tax cuts on the fuel
  
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  March 19, 2023 6:18pm
  - Swifty
    
    Only in weird lefty land would the lowering of a tax on goods be labelled a ‘subsidy’.
    
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    March 19, 2023 6:30pm
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    Yes I am not retarded.
    
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    March 19, 2023 6:56pm
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    “He’s talking about the tax cuts on the fuel”
    
    BTW it is the ‘poor’ who he cares about who will be celebrating the cut to petrol prices.
    
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    March 19, 2023 7:03pm
    - Ghost
      
      I would think more than the poor care about that cost not being increased yet with the tax being added back on
      
      You Claim he is lying, yet claim you aren’t retarded and know what he is talking about, so which is it, he’s lying or you are lying because you know exactly what he means.
      
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      March 19, 2023 7:17pm
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        “I would think more than the poor care about that cost not being increased yet with the tax being added back on..”
        
        Your grammar makes it impossible to decipher what you really mean.
        
        I’ll take a guess so here is my response. Poor folk in in South Auckland value cheaper petrol. Rich folk in Aro Valley in Wellington where James Shaw lives could not care less.
        
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        March 19, 2023 7:21pm
      - Ghost
        
        Avoiding the question, is James lying or are you? Since you knew exactly what he meant.
        
        as for the cost of living, it’s more than the poor folk who are struggling with it, even the folk who are facing the costs of their mortgages going up are struggling and the cost of that tax increase in food will hurt many
        
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        March 19, 2023 8:00pm
- kowtow
  
  Green voters have [Mod – deleted] That’s how they get away with it.
  
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  March 19, 2023 7:14pm
Ghost

Interesting, not sure I would put a cemetery near the towns water supply…….

Residents are shocked land near them has been purchased for Timaru’s new cemetery and claim the sale has been done hastily without them being consulted.

Emma Gilbert, who lives opposite the land bought for the new cemetery, said she believed there should have been consultation.

“It has been swept under the carpet.” she said.

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March 19, 2023 8:12pm
Swifty

What a jerk.

Shaw must be desperate to cling on to his leadership:

“or hand the keys to the most reactionary, race-baiting, right-wing government that we have seen in decades.”

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/national-responds-to-greens-race-baiting-broadside-no-interest-in-working-with-them/D3STXNVEFNCXZNKC6CRPQ4KJCY/

Again, oppose racial discrimination, racial favouritism, and YOU are the racist!

What a slimy way to debate matters of national importance.
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March 19, 2023 8:15pm
- Ghost
  
  I don’t think he’ll still be leader come election, it will be Chlöe and Marama. Then good help us when he’s gone because they will be even worse
  
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  March 19, 2023 8:22pm
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    Good point Ghost.
    
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    March 19, 2023 8:41pm
  - rouppe
    
    Be awfully funny though, given his recent statement over Luxon
    
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    March 20, 2023 7:44am
- Prince
  
  Labour/Greens are showing their slimy way of doing deals in Wgton Central.
  Robertson will not run again in the electorate.
  They have chosen a virtually unelectable candidate, even in Wgton Central.
  The Greens have chosen a City Councillor, Tabitha Paul.
  
  So Labour has donated a safe seat to the Greens..
  And the Greens now say they will only work with Labour.
  Left politics is a very dirty business indeed.
  
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  March 19, 2023 10:47pm
Suze Wainwright

Call me old fashioned, a dinosaur, sexist even, but I simply can’t get into chicks’ rugby….
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March 19, 2023 8:47pm
Swifty

A beautiful little summary of everything that’s rotten, putrid and vile with the left in the US and how many of them are just awful people underneath all their virtuous posturing:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=055jka_8qV4
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March 19, 2023 9:40pm
- Ghost
  
  Meanwhile with this fake assault the outrage over violence the media were beating off to blm and Antifa destruction of the USA.
  
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  March 19, 2023 9:53pm
NothingLeft

Rise of AI GPT3/4 type large language models will render a lot of political social media well-nigh unreadable within next 12-24 months as all commentary will be swamped by sophisticated propaganda bots designed to debate, deflect and denigrate opposing viewpoints. Big tech response will be a far higher level of proof that commentators are real people – or that they be paying subscriptions etc.
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