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Yvette

Is it that the Government does not want the voting population to know “3 Waters” is not only a matter of “co-governance” to the Four Entity level, but “total governance” from the top down

On 6 August 2022, residents of Waimate District in South Canterbury were told their drinking water supply had breached national drinking water standard for nitrate. At a public meeting called to discuss the breach, one pregnant resident questioned authorities on the risks, “I’m two days off having a baby. So, I’ve been drinking this water my entire pregnancy until we were notified.”

How has Taumata Arowai responded to the breach?
Taumata Arowai was established after the contamination of Havelock North’s drinking water in 2016. It recommended a new regulator be set up to “have as its primary focus the quality of drinking water and the safety and excellence of all elements of the supply chain”.
Beyond being notified of the breach, it is unclear what role Taumata Arowai took or is taking. It has said little publicly on the breach and doesn’t appear to be investigating the contamination further. Neither the regulator nor ECan appears to be taking adequate action to address the cause of the contamination. Indeed, Taumata Arowai has said it was not involved in “establishing causes of contamination”.
Waimate District Council appears not to be expecting that either will step in as it has committed to purchasing a denitrification unit for the 600 people that rely on its supply. ECan has said it won’t contribute to this cost as it is not responsible for treatment of drinking water.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/cracks-in-the-system-strengthening-protection-for-our-drinking-water?

Tipa Mahuta chairs the Maori Advisory Council presiding over Taumata Arowai which in turn will preside over the “3 Waters” four Regional Entities.

Does Taumata Arowai want attention drawn to itself now, more than when it was established?
Does the Labour Government want you to understand this before the Election?

And of the minority who told the 1-News poll they understood “co-governance” in “3 Waters”, how many understood it is in fact “total governance”?
Or it seems that way – explain it otherwise.
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March 16, 2023 8:01am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Wait until they drop the bomb from the RMA 2.0 with the Te Oranga o te Taiao statements.
  
  Having looked so far these are the same undemocratic ethnostate tribalised elites only driven BS we see in the 3 Waters Te Mana o Te Wai statements.
  
  You could say they are Huia birds of a feather being the identical twins of soon to be extinct democracy.
  
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  March 16, 2023 8:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    See the http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi blog for the RMA warning.
    
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    March 16, 2023 9:24am
    - Mark Hanley
      
      The only way to stop the 5 WATERS AND RMA GRAVY TRAIN is to do everything you can to support National and Act in the upcoming elections.
      
      Start donating and / or volunteering.
      
      Don’t buy into the media (nor the opposition party spin doctors infiltrating KB) BS undermining Luxon.
      
      And don’t waste your vote on a minor party.
      
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      March 16, 2023 12:48pm
      - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
        
        Mark – “Don’t waste your vote on a minor party”. Some of the people who post here believe Matt’s party can bring 2-3 MPs as he will win Northland for sure 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
        
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        March 16, 2023 2:30pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        The opposition spin doctors on KB? are you suggesting they are Labour foot soldiers?
        
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        March 16, 2023 3:27pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        I dont know enough about Matt or northland to comment but i do know A party vote for act or national is never going to be wasted.
        
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        March 16, 2023 5:39pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        Re opposition spin doctors. Aren’t you suspicious the kb anti Luxon and National brigade are articulate, persistant and have a particularly good knowledge of NZ political history?
        
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        March 16, 2023 5:48pm
      - Mike
        
        I share those suspicions.
        
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        March 16, 2023 7:03pm
  - Dougal10
    
    Doesn’t cogovernance just mean no governance . There was none before and there will be none again . Just look at the lack of policing in NZ it is a forerunner to our future where it will be free for all with some winning and some losing.
    
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    March 16, 2023 10:53am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      No, it means Māori elites telling us how and what we can do, the RMA has co-governance, the minister hiding under a different name is David (Dodgy) Parker. enough said i guess.
      
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      March 16, 2023 3:30pm
- Littletramp
  
  So do we think that the renaming/rebranding of all these government departments to maori names, may be part of a subtle smokescreen to hide the incremental creep toward eventual full maori governance control?
  Slowly turning up the heat on the element as it were.
  There seems to be an arm wrestle going on inside Labour, as the maori caucus tries to retain it’s momentum, with Hipkins not yet fully onboard?
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:03am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Hipkins will cower to the Elite Maori
    
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    March 16, 2023 9:26am
    - rockape
      
      True but maybe not till after the election.
      
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      March 16, 2023 9:44am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Sadly many will not see it cause Chippy from the bloody Hutt
        
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        March 16, 2023 3:30pm
  - artemisia
    
    I was looking something up on the HUD website yesterday. Some web page headings were only in Maori. And all the other pages I looked at had the Maori name in larger bold font above the English name in smaller not bold font.
    
    Ridiculous.
    
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    March 16, 2023 9:30am
    - Nickc2
      
      Has anyone in the National Party stated that they will reverse this trend when they are the Govt?
      Sadly, no, not to the best of my knowledge.
      
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      March 16, 2023 9:58am
      - RockyJ
        
        Luxon said at Ratana that a National government would stop cogovernance in government service delivery.
        
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        March 16, 2023 11:19am
      - Nickc2
        
        Unfortunately RockyJ, that statement covers a lot of sins. They haven’t stated that it will extend to reverting Govt Entities to their original names or anything like it.
        IMO, having Te Reo words in upper case (large signage) and English words in lower case (small signage) isn’t co-governance. To me, it indicates Te Reo reigns supreme over English. Take a walk through a Hospital looking for a Dept and you will see what I mean.
        What does it mean to you?
        
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        March 16, 2023 3:06pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I do not care about the names of these places, the main thing is Nats will wipe cogovernace from services, name changes will be seen as wasted money, and it will cost 10s of millionss to change the names back, we have plenty of mess to fix before that, it will be interesting to see what names new entities are given, but i guess they are named by moronic leftie luvies from Labour
        
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        March 16, 2023 3:34pm
  - Paulus
    
    This Labour Government is out of control now by quiet secret persons determined to undermine our form of democracy.
    And even the Maori elite do not see it either.
    
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    March 16, 2023 10:23am
- lastmanstanding
  
  IMHO 3 Waters and replacement legislation for the RMA are to remove power from elected Councils and place it in the hands of unelected appointed bodies with 50% representation from 15% of the population and 50% representation from 85% of the population plus as with the Health authorities the representatives of 15% of the population have a right over veto over the presentatives of 85% of the population.
  In other words handing power and control to a handful of Maori Elites.
  That folks is the Agenda and will continue to be the Agenda unless ACT is part of Government with enough influence to stop this Racist Apartheid.
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:42am
  - Yvette
    
    lastmanstanding
    To increase the 17 percent Maori population portion to 50 percent
    multiply 17 percent by 3
    To reduce the 83 percent non-Maori portion to 50 percent, multiply by 0.6
    That then, rather than 1 person – 1 vote, is 3 votes to 0.6 of a vote
    Or a Maori vote (3) worth 5 times one non-Maori vote (0.6)
    Figure it out
    
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    March 16, 2023 10:05am
    - Tricati
      
      That’s it in a nutshell, and the very reason there is absolutely no comment on 3 waters, He puapua or the RMA changes coming out of the government.
      Seems the strategy is ‘say nothing & no one will notice’.
      It really is time for National to grow a back bone and back ACT’s call for a referendum on the ToW and it’s impact on democracy in NZ.
      
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      March 16, 2023 10:25am
      - Ghost
        
        National don’t need to support or be seen supporting it, especially since they are standing in the Maori seats. Act just need to make it non-negotiable in collation talks
        
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        March 16, 2023 10:36am
  - waikatosinger
    
    It is not just race. Labour will try to make this all about race and paint everyone opposing this stuff as racist. But in reality this is a massive power grab by the parties of the left. These changes will give the left wing absolute control of all these institutions.
    
    If they succeed then our democracy may become a puppet show while real power is wielded by entitled and arrogant “born to rule” lefty bureaucrats.
    
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    March 16, 2023 12:58pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      So, they are going to smear a large section of society yet again then?
      
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      March 16, 2023 3:35pm
- I remember when
  
  Do the problems that locals in Hawke’s Bay are experiencing after Cyclone Gabrielle draw attention to the potential 3 Waters outcomes.
  Sometimes despite the magnitude of the problem it still is best treated at a local level.
  Yes the drinking water, waste water and nitrification problems often need oversight, expertise and finance help but do four new entities do it best.
  Or will locals still be left largely to their own resources?
  
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  March 16, 2023 10:05am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    # waters would not have made one scrap of difference in the storm, for a start they could not account for the damage created by forestry, and slash.
    
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    March 16, 2023 3:36pm
Clyde

Wouldn’t it be a good idea to document the divisive crap that Chippie has actively supported or promoted over the time he has been in Cabinet?

Would be great to see a video compilation for a start which could be widely distributed. The current rebranding of this nice little boy from the Hutt has to be confronted.
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March 16, 2023 8:03am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Clyde,
  
  In effect National has already tried that. that strategy has failed because voters are assessing him in his role as PM. They are not thinking of what he did over the last 5 years.
  
  To get ahead National needs to get some decisive policy out. Stuff that makes people get up and think. In my view, so far the policy is all too incremental and therefore is not getting cut through. Also no more than five things. Five big things that matter and can be remembered.
  
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  March 16, 2023 8:29am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘Stuff that makes people get up and think.’
    
    Perhaps only 5 to 10 % of the electorate did just that in respect of the Wuflu lunacy .
    
    So if that truly historic , momentous disruption was so easily swallowed uncritically by so many I’m not so posidive about anything these days.
    
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    March 16, 2023 8:43am
    - k1w1
      
      This is what surprised me most of all. How so many were so easily led by the nose, uncritically, and I’m not anti-vax.
      
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      March 16, 2023 9:09am
      - cmm
        
        It’s easy. Frightened people are easily led.
        
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        March 16, 2023 10:50am
  - Reg Perrin
    
    Now would be a good time to bring out a policy on performance pay for teachers. It would have the benefit of showing that they support better pay for teachers as well as showing that they are the party of the aspirational. While it will upset the unions they were never going to vote National
    
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    March 16, 2023 8:43am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @Wayne,
    Don’t disagree with you, but, the risk is that if the chancers in the Labour Party like what they see in National’s decisive policies – they will just take them.
    With the aid of the msm spin, people will soon accept these as magnificent ideas put together by Labour.
    
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    March 16, 2023 8:49am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      I agree timing is critical. However, there needs to be enough time for the policy to get cut through. That can’t be done in the last month.
      
      I would say one or two big policies before the budget. The rest in June, July and August. Also a nice teaser at the beginning of the election campaign.
      
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      March 16, 2023 9:25am
      - Ian Boag
        
        It would be nice if one of the policies related to housing.
        
        I don’t mean just restoring the landlord interest deductibility or binning the brightline test. I mean something that gets new build-to-rent stuff created ….. public / private … I don’t really care. But there is a serious shortage at the bottom end that neither party is doing much about.
        
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        March 16, 2023 10:45am
      - Jack5
        
        Ian Boag’s … I don’t mean just restoring the landlord interest deductibility.
        
        A tough one. We need housing, but one reason the country has performed poorly for years is the diversion of capital into property development.
        
        Perhaps allowing landlord interest deductibility as a balance to the introduction of a sorely needed effective capital gains tax.
        
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        March 16, 2023 12:14pm
  - Nickc2
    
    I agree Wayne. It must be remembered that everything wrong with this country has happened over the last five years and Hipkins has been one of the prime movers.
    
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    March 16, 2023 8:53am
  - gravedodger
    
    Gee Wizz Wayne great thinking there, now tell us how to get those pearls of wisdom out to the public view without a complete demolishing rewrite exposing the message as totally ineffective for public consumption in the purchased for a measly 50 odd million of taxpayer money mainstream media where the only messaging will be anti National.
    
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    March 16, 2023 9:18am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I note the undecided in One news poll has snowballed to 13%, plenty of votes to get when policy does come out, it’s starting to come out now
      
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      March 16, 2023 10:47am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Competing on policy is ignoring the enormous elephant in the room – competence, delivery and execution.
    
    It matters not a bit that Labour might come up with the most brilliant policies on everything that matters to New Zealanders, there are two things that can’t be ignored (unless you’re the bought-and-paid-for MSM, of course):
    
    1. Labour’s ability to deliver on any policy is proven to be abysmal. Everything they have touched they have made worse. Half of them should have whiplash, so quickly have their pet projects been yanked – think light rail (Wood said it’s definitely happening, 2 hours later it was nixed), the harbour bridge cycle crossing which was only planned to appease a very small but noisy minority ($57m pissed up against the wall) and many others. Their track record is appalling, they have tits for hands.
    
    2. It’s what they haven’t ditched that should cause the most concern – 3 Waters, co-governance, the maorification of everything, renaming the country by stealth, handing enormous power to unelected, unaccountable tribal elites and making health and education the worst they’ve ever been. That’s not even getting into their corruption and venality, thinking the laws and rules don’t apply to them – looking at you Nash.
    
    National should be hammering these things, as ACT has been doing relentlessly and effectively.
    
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    March 16, 2023 10:00am
    - stewmar
      
      Their track record is appalling, they have tits for hands.
      
      That is being disrespectful to tits
      
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      March 16, 2023 10:33am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        And hands, possibly
        
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        March 16, 2023 4:30pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      National should be hammering these things, as ACT has been doing relentlessly and effectively.
      
      I am more interested in what they would want to do rather than just hearing rants about what Labour did with their time in power.
      
      It would be good to hear a vision about where we might be heading under a Nat govt. So far all we know for sure is that people with a family income of $160k and a kid in daycare will be get a $75/week subsidy ….
      
      And a raft of spending cuts (now) that will enable income tax cuts (later). That and the childcare subsidy will pull in low income voters by the trainload …..
      
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      March 16, 2023 12:26pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        You know 3 waters will be gone; you know cogovernance will be gone in public services, you know interest deductibility will be back, and brightliner test will be back to 2 years, we also found out they will build houses for rent to buy which will be a better model than the stupid state house mess, policy is starting to come, but the bulk will not come till after the budget.
        
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        March 16, 2023 3:42pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        interest deductibility will be back, and brightliner test will be back to 2 years
        
        And this will get more affordable private rentals built? Will be great for existing landlords though- the ones who buy/sell rather than build.
        
        they will build houses for rent to buy
        I missed that one. Can you point me at a link where it was announced? It’s a noble thought but the sums really don’t work. They don’t even work for building rent-to-not-buy which is why the private sector is doing so little of it ….
        
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        March 16, 2023 3:59pm
  - Paulus
    
    National will reveal their election strategy after the Budget and not before.
    
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    March 16, 2023 10:25am
  - Ghost
    
    Crime and health need a big focus
    
    But here is a problem. Friend was telling me at an event the other day photos were put on a screen and the public were asked to identify them. Luxon’s photo went up, no one knew who it was.
    
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    March 16, 2023 10:39am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      So if so many people say they cant trust Luxon if that was true (by the media pady) then how do they not know who he is? something is starting to not stack up, i am convince that a vulgar hitjob is going to Luxon as it did to Bridges, thank God the Nat’s will not fall for that shit again.
      
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      March 16, 2023 3:45pm
      - Ghost
        
        luxon is not getting any cut through. He’s not getting recognition. He’s not getting himself out there and into the public’s memory. He’s forgettable. Nothing to do with a hit job. Instead of being an angry person attacking everyone on here you should try listening.
        
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        March 16, 2023 3:49pm
  - Rodney Hide
    
    The Iwi/Kiwi billboards would cut through.
    
    Rodney Hide
    
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    March 16, 2023 12:44pm
    - Mike
      
      Tell us about the cut through you achieved as minister for regulatory reform.
      
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      March 16, 2023 12:52pm
      - Rodney Hide
        
        You sound a clever guy. Tell us what you have done?
        
        Rodney
        
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        March 16, 2023 1:05pm
      - Mike
        
        Born in a log cabin that I built myself. Wanna know more?
        
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        March 16, 2023 1:51pm
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    Don’t normally agree with you Wayne, but your analysis on this topic is spot on. Remarkable really how gullible the public are, its like the last 5 years didnt exist, and the ideolog running education into the ground, rewriting the State Sector Act to maximise central control, stuffing the polytech sector and then the Covid MIQ fiascos has simply vanished into thin air, to be replaced by “man of the people, Chippy”.
    
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    March 16, 2023 5:36pm
- Simon
  
  Wouldnt it be better if National just promised to close down Radio NZ? Get Hipkins to defend divisive dog shit like RNZ.
  
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  March 16, 2023 8:31am
  - MCōs
    
    What’s wrong with RNZ?
    Spell it out.
    
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    March 16, 2023 9:30am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Publicly funded but clearly with a Left wing editorial slant. Kim Hill et al are clearly biased in there interviews to anybody listening froma non Left wing stand point…
      
      Happy for it to contuinue in its current format just not funded in part by me via taxpayer funding.
      
      Simply it should be forced to find its own funding. And given you and a hundreds of thousands of others like its content, well then you can take out an annual subscription to support its operating costs. Those subs can be supplemented by sponsorships and donations from large entities (excluding the Lotteries grants as Lotto etc are so broad based in sourcing income that they are psuedo-taxpayers funds…imho)
      
      The solution for you to keep your RNZ as it is and to satisfy virtually every ROC voter is to remove taxpayer funding for RNZ and make it an NGO that raises its own funding….
      
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      March 16, 2023 10:30am
      - Ian Boag
        
        you can take out an annual subscription to support its operating costs
        
        Sounds good.
        
        Not that we have to follow other countries but the NZ public radio model is pretty much the same as Oz, Canada, UK, France, Germany, Spain, Singapore, Malaysia, Mexico … (I gave up looking)
        
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        March 16, 2023 11:29am
    - Matt Long
      
      It’s taxpayer funded entertainment.
      
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      March 16, 2023 10:32am
      - MCōs
        
        Why don’t you do a little research and find out what other media are indirectly funded by the government eg radio, films, newspapers etc
        
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        March 16, 2023 12:20pm
      - Mike
        
        Research, Ian. This is Kiwiblog remember, where ‘research’ is either something veru bad from ivory tower pinkos or a brilliant piece of rhetoric lifted from some blog or webshite.
        
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        March 16, 2023 12:59pm
      - Matt Long
        
        Of course, all those other forms of taxpayer funded entertainment that I support. Like which ones? Oooh, none of them?
        
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        March 16, 2023 3:31pm
- Souvlaki
  
  We have to keep trying ! Graham Adams lists a few things in this article we should all be disseminating to those with a functioning brain.’
  
  https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/hipkins-adopts-john-key-s-ordinary-bloke-schtick
  
  I watched both TV1 & Three news last pm(in view of the Nash imbroglio)…..government in complete disarray…I have come to the conclusion that those of average IQ who vote Labour are morons….those of ‘high’ IQ who do the same can be considered effectively ‘terrorists !
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:38am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Settle down, my Greek friend. Labeling people who think and vote differently to you “terrorists” is not the way to preserve civil discourse, and will convince not one person of your case – in fact quite the reverse.
    
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    March 16, 2023 10:53am
slightlyrighty

Last week we had the Health Minister apologising because the numbers she had been given were incorrect.

We had the PM apologising because the information that he had been given from the police was incorrect.

Last night we found out that the reported Ram Raid numbers were out, in some cases being under reported by a factor of 66%!

I have been looking at the Police Annual Report which shows an increase of police sworn officers from 2016 to 2022 of 1220 officers.

Yet in 2021, Poto Williams released to the Press a statement talking about an extra 2600 frontline police, and on Tuesday, the then Police Minister, Stuart Nash, was talking about only an extra 1700 frontline police.

Can we believe any number from this government?
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March 16, 2023 8:12am
- ClanMcleod
  
  No.
  
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  March 16, 2023 8:25am
- Simon
  
  Woke Marxist are running govt departments are just out of control now. Labo are not up to the task of running govt. For Labo govt is just a grift anyway.
  
  Easy to clean out the Marxists. National should simply question climate change. The autistic screeching from the Marxists within govt would expose them. They could then be fired. But sadly National are very weak.
  
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  March 16, 2023 8:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Labour have never been good with numbers.
  That is why incurred debt means nothing to them.
  
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  March 16, 2023 8:28am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Also last night cancer surgeons reported they had been told to drop cancer patients from surgery and bump them off the list, what it did was half cancer patients who weee waiting for surgery, utterly disgusting and corrupt
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:03am
  - cmm
    
    If Luxon can’t make any headway with ammo like this then he’s worse than useless.
    
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    March 16, 2023 12:52pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      When people show hatred to him then he will find it hard to get cut through, i note he still has huge attendances at meetings, but there is still this stupid group trying to shaft him like they did Bridges.
      
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      March 16, 2023 3:47pm
- Raphael
  
  They’re taking pages out of the Jacob Zuma Big Book of Numbers.
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:37am
Maggie Pie

Relayed to me earlier…

“Today is the 16 March 2023. Chris Hipkins has been Prime Minister for 50 days.

Not even two months into the job.

I mean WOW! I’m impressed and exhilarated.
I mean if he’s like this in the first couple of months, given it’s election year what’s he gonna be like when he actually starts kicking off?”

– Tova (TodayFM)
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March 16, 2023 8:22am
- Tarquin North
  
  Is Today FM still going?
  
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  March 16, 2023 8:29am
  - Janabelle
    
    Obviously it is still going – Leah and Miles got into trouble for saying only women get pregnant and have to undergo rainbow tick training – so not only still going but also still as woke as it was when it was Radio Live. Wonder how many listeners they have, I would rather poke sticks in my ears than listen to anything Mediawokes comes up with
    
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    March 16, 2023 10:10am
    - Tarquin North
      
      I hear they are losing money at a rate that makes their future look very dim. Back to bar work for young Tova if things don’t change soon. how sad never mind.
      
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      March 16, 2023 12:37pm
      - Paulus
        
        Tova’s problem is that it is doubtful that any other media would give her a job, as she joined them on what is considered one, if not the highest, pay in the business.
        But she and her programme have not delivered being only 20% of the programme numbers she was set up to challenge. (Hoskins).
        
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        March 16, 2023 1:23pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  You ain’t seen nothing yet.
  Wait until the reality of power sinks in. It hasn’t yet.
  
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  March 16, 2023 8:31am
- Yvette
  
  And, Maggie, in those 50 days how many policies that he supported under Ardern, has he now cancelled because it is Election year – but will resume after the Election, if anyone is clueless enough to vote Labour?
  
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  March 16, 2023 8:32am
  - nathie
    
    For MSM consistency (as in when denigrating National), they/we should be talking of Labour flip-flops rather than benign words like “cancelled”.
    
    Eg “here comes yet another Labour flip-flop”!
    
    After all Chippie from the Hutt supported the original policy, so now he is flip-flopping!
    
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    March 16, 2023 9:43am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Chip-flop
      
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      March 16, 2023 7:48pm
- RoboRob
  
  Was this sark, from anyone but Tova I would assume yes? However Tova always was a Labour lovvie. One of Jacindas faves.
  
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  March 16, 2023 8:58am
  - Bridgenag
    
    A flat mate?
    
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    March 16, 2023 10:01am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  What utter waffle, caught out lying and forced to apologise for lying, called suffering HB residents liars, had to deal with [Mod -deleted] ministers, taken heat because self promoted Labour hacks on ministry high salary jobs, tell me, what tgd hell has the [Mod – use the person’s name] done? Of course surely the flip flops don’t count
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:07am
Paulus

I inadvertently found that I was on Morning Report this morning – not my usual programme, and I listened to I believe Corin Dann trying all the rude things he could get off and continually interrution of Mayor Brown being asked as to how he was going to pay for the Auckland Rail $1 billon plus stuff up.
I can understand that Brown got the job that the so called media wanted the Islander from South Auckland, but that is no reason to be so rude.
Sure Brown is not the easiest person to interview because he is older and takes his time to reply – given the opportunity.
What Dann tried and could not do was to get the Mayor to say that they would sell their Airport shares so he could get him in real Stock Exchange trouble.
Sad but think Dann was no better than had he been thinks he should be.
Arrogant, rude, and probably well overpaid.
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March 16, 2023 8:23am
- MCōs
  
  I see Mayor Brown is going to approach the government to get a bailout on Auckland’s share of the city link. He says the government at the time fucked up the contract.
  He also believes it’s not the council’s business to prop up the Community Law Offices and that it’s a central government responsibility. Maybe the council should have organized an alternative support system before pulling the plug.
  He also doesn’t believe the council should be in the daycare business. He talked about the extremely wealthy companies that run most of the daycare.
  They will become even wealthier if National becomes government. Something not quite right.
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:51am
  - alloytoo
    
    So you think Childcare is “Not quite right.”
    
    That explains a lot.
    
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    March 16, 2023 10:07am
    - MCōs
      
      Didn’t say that at all.
      
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      March 16, 2023 12:16pm
- MCōs
  
  “Sure Brown is not the easiest person to interview because he is older”
  
  If Mayor Brown is too old at 76 to cope with forthright interviews he shouldn’t be in the job.
  Whether he likes it or not interviews are part of the job and they should be uplifted, not putting everyone on edge because they don’t know when the axe will fall on them.
  
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  March 16, 2023 10:10am
  - Paulus
    
    Biden is 83 remember – and he is actually gaga
    
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    March 16, 2023 10:27am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He just turned 80
      
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      March 16, 2023 10:53am
- Loddenthinks
  
  “Sure Brown is not the easiest person to interview because he is older and takes his time to reply – given the opportunity.” The last part is telling, although I believe Brown’s interviewing performance is due to his personality and not age. He’s a doer not a talker, albeit it is an important part of his role and one he needs to improve on.
  
  Often, people mistake silence – which is really just time to think, I recommend it – for stupidity or slowness, and not only leap to judgement but also can’t stop themselves from filling in the uncomfortable silence by jumping in with another question.
  
  Interviewers genuinely interested in learning something, and giving their subject time to digest the question, formulate a response and deliver it, are far more effective than those who won’t wait for an answer, believe that their opinion is more important and more correct than their subject’s, and are trying their best to get a few gotchas. Mostly, they’re not even listening to the reply; they’re preparing their next gotcha question.
  
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  March 16, 2023 11:01am
alloytoo

Happy Thursday Everyone.

Not a good week for Labour, leading to a rapid round of “Whataboutism” from Labour apologists
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March 16, 2023 8:23am
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/royals/131510079/watch-queen-consort-camilla-blanks-performance-by-londonbased-kapa-haka-group
Ok, so let’s start the day with a shameless beat-up on a rich, old white lady by an “Auckland reporter”.
So Camilla, the 76-year-old Queen Consort, walked past a Maori kapa haka group without stopping.
Thank goodness her hubby, HM The King, wasn’t so crass and disrespectful.
Really, how entitled have we become that a reporter in Auckland was so upset that he/she/they then contacted Buckingham Palace to demand an explanation?
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March 16, 2023 8:26am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Did you not get the memo.
  1. Everything is offensive.
  2. Every one has to be is offended.
  3. Everyone has to be offended on behalf of everone.
  4. Repeat.
  
  It is the classic leftist woke sub-routine.
  
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  March 16, 2023 8:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  War dance by special people from the other side of the World is important to Camilla?
  
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  March 16, 2023 8:38am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    They’re not even from the other side of the world – they live there. The “tribe” is Ngati Ranana – Ranana being the made-up word for London.
    
    I loved how that article ended – something like Buckingham Palace refused to return any of several calls from $1uffed.
    
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    March 16, 2023 4:34pm
- Swifty
  
  I saw that piece and the footage.
  
  I don’t discount that there was something up with Camilla, it looked quite windy and maybe she was crook, feeling frail, or something.
  
  She has been by Charles’ side for years and years now and barely put a foot wrong.
  
  I think it was an overreach to call it a snub when you haven’t got her side of the story.
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:05am
  - Ehlana
    
    Maybe she just made a mistake. Humans do.
    
    I note that Charles also moved on before the performance finished.
    
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    March 16, 2023 9:53am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She didn’t like the big bare bums
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:08am
- graham
  
  From your link I see this story is in Stuff.
  
  As I have mentioned previously, I decided to stop visiting Stuff around two years ago, in part due to their constant crusading, championing of “causes” and forceful pushing of agendas.
  
  Without reading the story – I haven’t been able to find it anywhere else, and I will not visit the Stuff website – I obviously don’t know the details. But partly because of their relentless pursuit of their own agendas and crusades, I simply do not trust Stuff to report stories with neutrality, without bias or prejudice, and to present reports that might contain facts that they didn’t like but which were credible and relevant nonetheless. I believe that Stuff as on organisation lack the integrity to do so.
  
  I personally will pay absolutely no attention to this story in Stuff.
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:28am
  - Ghost
    
    The video is on a number of websites
    
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    March 16, 2023 9:34am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Extraordinarily enuf, there were other folk at the do…
  looks like Camilla wandered off to do her own meet and greet with the robed chaps waiting on the steps.
  
  Seems a good example of job-sharing.
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:32am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Ngāti Rānana, a London-based kapa haka, on Commonwealth Day.
  
  Who is paying this London based group?
  
  Ok, I know.
  
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  March 16, 2023 11:14am
- hullkiwi
  
  Gravelroad, you are talking about Ngati Rahana. A Maori culture group set up way back when by ex-pat Maoris living in London. Thanks to the visa arrangements etc. the group gets a rotating influx of Maori Kiwis doing their backpacking OE, and with each new group, there is a regular updating of what is “correct” Maori protocol. These days, NZ groups in London cannot run a function without an obligatory inclusion of Ngati Rahana.
  
  The arrogance of the group got so bad 20 plus years ago, that one of my predecessors as President of the NZ Society in London asked “why do we always have to walk on egg shells because of that b****y group?”. It got to the point where we were looking to exclude them from functions because of their arrogant behaviour.
  
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  March 16, 2023 11:47am
- OlderChas
  
  Surely the “dance” was to welcome and pay respect to the King, the Head of the Commonwealth. Not his wife or other members of the retinue. The Queen Consort did exactly as she should have – moved away so as to not hog the honour being afforded to the King and Head of Commonwealth.
  No doubt if the Queen Consort had stayed and got involved in the process some reporter somewhere would have complained the she was trying to hog the limelight!
  
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  March 16, 2023 1:09pm
Simon

Trump opposes the GAE / NATO war in the Ukraine.
Now Meatball is saying the same thing. Thats the GOP / GOPe prez contenders saying no more war with Russia.

This means any NZ concerns about China are over blown neo-con fantasy. No nuke submarines for NZ & we dont have to “rearm”

Biden has lost his marbles NZ should be neutral on Ukraine Russia.
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March 16, 2023 8:40am
- Grunter
  
  I agree (mostly).
  DeSantis confirming that the US should stop funding the evil Zyleneskyy is a good thing.
  But there is still a real risk that Biden’s tele-prompter creates WW111 before the next US election. And the Neocons in both parties will pretty much do anything to create total chaos.
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:43am
  - Lance
    
    Tell me this is parody
    ” evil Zyleneskyy”
    
    Because the narrative of righteous Putin against ‘evil Zyleneskyy” is quite pathetic, beyond laughable and into WTF territory
    For the tiniest bit of nano-particle sized credibility, how about Russia stops invading other countries, spreading death and destruction to stroke the ego of its self-aggrandizing dictator.
    
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    March 16, 2023 10:21am
    - Grunter
      
      Lance – are you Biden’s tele-prompter? 🙂
      
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      March 16, 2023 10:41am
      - Lance
        
        Thank you for intelligent contribution to this discussion
        
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        March 16, 2023 12:25pm
    - Oneex
      
      Did you miss the three years in office he was bombing his own citizens because they were ethnic Russians
      Not that I’m making a defense for Putin, but to believe they are not both monsters is idiotic
      
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      March 16, 2023 2:10pm
Maggie Pie

Thort this little VID worth sharing with the fam….

I know my partner blocks everyone on @Linkedin when he sees pronouns in their bio. He reckons it signals an ‘anti-success’ mindset and believes you wont get success with people who make the “simple” complicated.

https://twitter.com/bourbonislife80/status/1635476446037639170
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March 16, 2023 8:43am
ClanMcleod

I know many people are suffering from “covid fatigue”, but please bear with me. This event is still ongoing, particularly in NZ where nobody in a position of authority will even acknowledge there are issues around all aspects of every response to covid by the government.

This includes not just the experimental jab itself, but all of the policies implemented to compel people to take part in this experiment. Because that is what this undoubtedly was and is, the biggest medical experiment every inflicted on the planet.

I posted yesterday re the astonishing German television interview with Karl Lauterbach, the German Health Minister. Ashley Bloomfield was our equivalent, Ayesha Verrall in the role currently.

The link to the video interview is in the opening paragraph at the following link. I urge as many people as possible to watch this and share it widely, particularly with your MP and your doctor.

https://viralimmunologist.substack.com/

The admissions in this interview with the current German Health Minister are astounding and expose the truth. These vaccines cause harm in numbers that should see the practice halted IMMEDIATELY and an urgent investigation carried out. Note, while he is admitting problems, he is absolutely minimising the extent of the problem.
This is Germany. This is the Health Minister of the most powerful country in the EU. He is admitting on television that the vaccines are harming people in significant numbers. He is admitting that deals were done to protect pharmaceutical companies enabling the population of the planet to be treated like lab rats for profit. He is admitting that the government (taxpayer) not only paid for this garbage, but that the government (taxpayer) is going to have to pay for the fallout. Remember, the numbers he’s talking about are undoubtedly well short of the reality.
In NZ? Nothing to see here. “Vaccine” is “safe and effective”. Keep getting your shots.

Some call what has happened a deliberate form of genocide – we will eventually find out if what is true, but for now let’s go with the idea it was a series of unfortunate mistakes. Why is the NZ government still pushing this narrative? Why is there not one single MP in this country prepared to speak out?
This is Orwellian groupthink. It won’t end well.
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March 16, 2023 8:44am
- Pavel
  
  Two days ago, while driving in my car, an ad came on the radio telling me that if I’ve had covid I can get a booster 3 months after infection. With all the information pouring in from overseas I can’t believe that they are still advertising the shot. Then again NZ has always been 2 years behind the rest of the world.
  
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  March 16, 2023 8:59am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Pavel – I was once told by my marketing tutor that NZ is the ideal testing ground for many ideas and products that are being proposed for markets and societies in the west. Our compact size, smaller population and values that generally make us compatible with other western countries make it cheaper and easier to try things here than anywhere else.
    It makes sense.
    
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    March 16, 2023 9:41am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Plus, if it doesn’t work out here, no one in the more important markets are ever going to hear about it.
      
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      March 16, 2023 7:53pm
  - alloytoo
    
    So, if you’ve had covid, you know how bad it was, and you also know any future infection is likely to very much milder.
    
    The rational part of me says the risk profile has changed tremendously and a booster would be ill advised for anyone under 70 without serious co-morbities.
    
    The irrational part of me says “F-No!”
    
    I may have gotten those two confused.
    
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    March 16, 2023 10:19am
  - Ghost
    
    I watched a video, hmm, last year I think. Hypnotist in the USA going over Ardern’s covid speeches said the techniques she uses to speak to the public is exactly what he uses on his clients
    
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    March 16, 2023 10:30am
- ClanMcleod
  
  UK Column have it as their first item from yesterday’s episode. Well worth checking out their analysis. They are an excellent source of world news and analysis. Not the bullshit we see on our mainstream TV.
  
  https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/uk-column-news-15th-march-2023
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Did Jaspinda get wind of this?
  Is it the real reason she headed for the hills?
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:51am
- Grunter
  
  Now that the real truth of this Covid mess is unraveling across different countries each day (and the truth will at some stage hit mainstream NZ), we will then have a massive TRUST issue. Social unrest and riots will become common. We will all become even more polarised.
  My sense is that few people realise that ‘thing’s are breaking’ before our eyes. US/Russia war, Banking system teetering in US, EU, Japan & China, Biden talking up a war with China. It is a real House of Cards with nothing to stop it collapsing. Just a question of when not if.
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:57am
- gravedodger
  
  Err not quite Clan, Ashleigh Bloomers has been replaced by Dr Diana Sarfati appointed to the role of Director-General of Health on his retirement, he was not the Minister that was variably Chipkins, Dr Doolittle, and latest disaster skipper Verral.
  
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  March 16, 2023 10:07am
  - Paulus
    
    Dr Diana Sarfati was appointed to the role of Director-General of Health and Chief Executive of the Ministry of Health in November 2022 having acted in the role since July 2022. Diana is a public health physician, cancer epidemiologist and health services researcher, and she has a PhD from the University of Otago.
    
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    March 16, 2023 10:32am
  - JimBobJoe
    
    You forgot the Minister for Mountain Bikes, House Shifting and Health – i.e one Dr David Clark. Well Health was a part time gig while the other two ‘duties’ were more important in the early days of COVID
    
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    March 16, 2023 10:39am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    gravedodger – my bad, thanks for the correction.
    
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    March 17, 2023 8:21am
- Surely Knott
  
  No need to apologise Clan. What they did with the lockdowns, societal division and forced vaccination is unprecedented. Keep the info coming until we get the whole truth and accountability. We are a long way from the end. The pandemic laws are still in place.
  
  And today the govt is pushing through more emergency laws under urgency with limited public input due to the cyclone cleanup.
  
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  March 16, 2023 12:52pm
Tomtoddy

Bryce Wilkerson is one of our very top economic and political commentators. He is experienced, erudite and been proven right in his summations.

He has just released a report, “Made by Government: New Zealand’s Monetary Policy Mess”. The paper said the RBNZ and many other central banks around the world were too confident about their policy frameworks, their economic models, did not pay close enough attention to keeping inflation in check, and then acted too late to correct their mistakes.

It also said the RBNZ was distracted by its other mandate – maximising employment – along with a clutch of secondary issues such as climate change.

“New Zealand’s recent monetary policy outcomes are worse than unsatisfactory,” Wilkinson wrote. He criticised their forecasting and lack of suitably qualified staff. It is a very scathing analysis. The Reserve Bank’s mishandling has adversely affected house prices, inflation and government expenditure.

He rightly points the finger at the person who has overall responsibility – Finance Minister Grant Robertson. “The Minister of Finance bears the heaviest responsibility for monetary policy decisions.” Sadly, only a very small percentage of the population will read this or be persuaded by it.
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March 16, 2023 8:53am
- Master Mariner
  
  Thanks TT,
  https://www.ash.org.au/new-zeland/worse-than-unsatisfactory-rbnz-and-govt-criticised-over-inflation-housing-boom/
  
  The “Great cash Splash” has not ended well, Enhanced by NZ’s stretched Supply chains and the destruction of Globalisation in the way we knew it.
  
  This has been lost on all and will affect NZ the most.
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:13am
- Hacked-Off
  
  You and he forgot that it was Winston Peters that demanded the extra Jobs Stability mandate be added to the RBNZ remit along with controlling inflation within the 1-3% bound. Robertson agreed with him in 2017 as the price for labour to get into Government. So, when the old windbag stands up to spout on against the Labour Government that he installed, I hope someone has the balls to stand up and remind him that he is part of the cause for this inflation.
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:47am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    It was Robertson alone this term that made the RBNZ governor have to take into account employment or whatever that crap they brought in this term, but i see Peters everywhere trying to use weasel words saying he did not put these arseholes there, in 2017 i was thrown out, if he does not understand if he did not hate English, the Nats would be close to finishing their 5th term.
    
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    March 16, 2023 3:53pm
- trout
  
  A quote from the indominitable Richard Prebble pretty much sums up how the RBNZ took their eyes off the ball and stuffed the NZ economy big time:
  ‘To create a pre-election economic boom Robertson granted the Reserve Bank a taxpayer guarantee to continue printing a billion dollars a week. The result was near-zero interest rates, an economic stimulus, rocketing asset and house prices, an election win and today’s inflation.”
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:56am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I still reckon Robertson pressured Orr, he was publicly telling government to pull in spending for some time, possibly 2 years now, Robertson is dirty.
    
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    March 16, 2023 3:55pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  Money available at almost zero cost is never a good thing. No ROI hurdle to clear so all and every potential investment project looks great.
  
  The RBNZ grown ups know this. The Governor obviously didn’t or he wouldn’t have run the LSAP programme for so very long. Unless of course the Governor was politically motivated to do so?
  
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  March 16, 2023 10:43am
RoboRob

Just checked Stuff. You would think their cartoon for the day would be about Nash. Nope its a plane crashing with ‘Luxon air’ on the side. Stuff really has exceeded expectations this time.
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March 16, 2023 8:58am
- Jade Warrior
  
  As Simon Bridges reminded the media in his valedictory speech – the job of the media is to hold power to account. In a democracy it is the government that has the power, not the opposition.
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:51am
Random T Person

Anyone else ready to concede that Chris Luxon isn’t it? Unfortunately, Labour’s Chris is streets ahead of him. And I say this as someone who has never liked Hipkins, and has always thought he is a duplicitous prat.
Doesn’t change the facts though.
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March 16, 2023 9:01am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  You set the bar very low if you think the lying weasel is our answer, one thing I noted last week was Luxon had the better of Hipkins in Q time, Soper also stated the same, oh well Labour win then
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:12am
  - Random T Person
    
    Heh, I don’t think he is the answer by any means. But I do think Hipkins will beat Luxon. Just because I think this will happen, doesn’t mean it is an outcome I might enjoy.
    
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    March 16, 2023 10:03am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      So daily lies snd on going failures and ministers caught out fiddling numbers will see Hipkins win?
      
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      March 16, 2023 10:58am
      - Random T Person
        
        You have a problem with comprehension, G, which extends beyond making ridiculous interpretations of what I said.
        
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        March 16, 2023 11:24am
- k1w1
  
  Every time I’ve seen Luxon interviewed he looks startled/surprised. Possum in headlights, almost, as he attempts to spit soundbites (badly). He doesn’t have natural gravitas, which is quite unusual from someone with his corporate experience. If he has a sense of humour it’s not forthcoming either, and Hipkins has him over a barrel in that dept, which is a concern.
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:15am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Well watch when he has a weekly question session usually earl in the week, he answers clearly, precisely, and without erring, he has started talking over the tide questioner who interrupts him
    
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    March 16, 2023 11:00am
- Nickc2
  
  Whilst I have lost all faith in Luxon over the Maureen Pugh fiasco, I despise Hipkins for his flip-flopping on policy made whilst he was at the top table of the Labour Govt and was in a position to prevent bad policy implementation.
  At least Luxon has the courage of his convictions (such as they are), whereas Hipkins has no convictions other than to lead my country further and further towards Socialism and he will change his mind as often as it takes to achieve this.
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:25am
  - Random T Person
    
    I despise Hipkins too. Always have. Couldn’t lie straight in bed, union bully boy, complete prat. But even so, he’s a natural politician where Luxon is not.
    Facts don’t care about hurty feelings…not even our friend G’s hurty feelings.
    
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    March 16, 2023 10:05am
  - James Stephenson
    
    Yeah. Hipkins was that snidey little shit of a kid at school who would always be trying to get other people into trouble to make themselves look better.
    
    Luxon was just the class swot who couldn’t understand why other kids found everything so hard to understand.
    
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    March 16, 2023 10:28am
    - Random T Person
      
      I don’t know, but I’d day Luxon wasn’t popular at school.
      
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      March 16, 2023 11:25am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Oh FFS, so he was an arsehole way back at school even? how bloody pathetic.
        
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        March 16, 2023 3:57pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    And he like Cindy will shit on us from a great height if he wins the election
    
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    March 16, 2023 11:01am
  - bjools
    
    Hipkins is a Marxist
    
    Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them… well, I have others
    
    Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?
    That would be:
    Groucho Marx
    
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    March 16, 2023 12:25pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Was Karl Marx Groucho’s brother? From memory, there were only three Marx Bros.
      
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      March 16, 2023 3:12pm
      - RalphT
        
        Actually there were five. As well as the famous three there was Zeppo who played the romantic lead in a few of the early films, and Gummo who was part of the stage act but retired before they made any movies.
        
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        March 16, 2023 4:39pm
- 70andstilllearning
  
  The long term Labo/MSM campaign providing selective vid bites and photos “questioning the effectiveness” of whoever is the current National leader has worked a treat since they started it with Bridges. The subliminal repetition sucks more and more believers in daily and they then start repeating it. The MSM are most likely pissing themselves watching sites like this.
  
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  March 16, 2023 10:30am
- Paulus
  
  Luxon is not my MP so I cannot vote for him.
  But I will give my other vote to the Party who I feel can try and create stability in a very trouble country.
  It will take generations following the damage that has been done by Ardern, Robertson, and the little fella, and needs a good steady manager not a peacock.
  
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  March 16, 2023 10:39am
  - Gravelroad
    
    @ Pauli’s-
    Yep, the time is coming when National voters are going to have to make a choice: not vote National because they don’t rate Mr Luxon.
    Or, vote National (despite doubts about Mr Luxon) in order to get rid of an arrogant, divisive, opportunistic m economy wrecking Labour Party.
    Credible leaders are important, but some are just figureheads for a whole of party vision and effort.
    
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    March 16, 2023 2:23pm
    - Paulus
      
      And then there is Ardern and now little chippie both wreckers.
      
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      March 16, 2023 3:55pm
Southern Raider

I see Otago Uni is going woke. Major million dollar rebrand to follow a vision of bring treaty partners and engaging with Iwi on decision making

Any NZ University actually setup to teach and enable a future work force?
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March 16, 2023 9:04am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Otago Uni has become an institution of bought and paid for shills, I wouldn’t let kids anywhere near the place.
  Have a look at the ‘Infection Group’ which is part of their operation.
  
  https://www.otago.ac.nz/infection-group/funding/
  
  GAVI and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
  
  No conflict of interest here……//
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:45am
- freemark
  
  Will they ban wheels & circles, and serve long pig at the cafeteria?
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:40pm
Taieri

“The University of Otago has revealed a proposed logo which would swap the traditional coat of arms for a tohu (symbol) and include a new Māori name for the institution.
So far $670,000 has been spent on the concept stage of the proposed rebrand.

Yesterday’s announcement kicks off a $126,000 consultation exercise in which students, staff and alumni will be asked for their views.”

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/campus/logo-proposal-‘bold-change’

Apparently, this wonderful idea is “aimed at creating a Treaty of Waitangi – led organisation”.

Was it Shipley who was the Minister of Health when lunatics were released into “community care”? What was wrong in keeping them confined to their asylums? At least they took their medicines regularly under the supervision there.
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March 16, 2023 9:08am
- Ehlana
  
  A Treaty of Waitangi led organisation?
  
  Oh dear. I await grovelling apologies and self-abasement for such a racist, colonialist construct.
  
  Surely they meant Te Tiriti o Waitangi led?
  
  Or does the University still know the difference between English and Maori?
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:14am
  - RoboRob
    
    If only the universities were treaty led organisations. Imaging that, Maori and non Maori treated exactly the same, with no class selection based on skin colour. Entry to courses without colour bias, marking without colour bias, fees and grants without colour bias, lecturers selected on ability not gender, diability or skin colour. A great thing.
    
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    March 16, 2023 10:02am
- alex Masterley
  
  This alumni of Otago will be making his views known very clearly.
  The process is a complete waste of money and time.
  You dont see Rutgers, Harvard, Oxford, Cambridge or the Sorbonne (as examples) “rebranding”.
  Some-one in the University administration had too much time on their hands.
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:54am
- nathie
  
  Otago is being silly – their roots/foundations are that of a European institution. There is nothing wrong with that – it is what it is.
  
  To start using Māori identification is co-opting an identity that is not theirs – it belongs to someone else (Māoridom).
  
  But for an Māori led institution, like Te Wānanga o Aotearoa, it is entirely appropriate to use Māori identity.
  
  Otago are actually insulting Māoridom but are so woke they cannot see it.
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:55am
  - Paulus
    
    Surely Otago University will become the first all Maori University (along with Waikato).
    After all we are now being told that we should all speak Maori as it the Official Language of this new place Aotearoa, wheras English is not an Official language – sign language is the other Official one.
    
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    March 16, 2023 10:43am
  - Toko
    
    Otago once was an egalitarian university where any kids with UE could attend and graduate through to second year courses in law, medicine, accounting etc. Now it is becoming elite in that pakeha kids need to get high 90s to progress in medicine but Maori/Pasifika only need to be mid 70s average marks. And there is no quota anymore for that pathway, so pakeha kids are being excluded. The rebranding confirms for me that they want to erase European culture from the institution. Good luck getting overseas academics to work there. Or overseas students to study. Very insular and parochial. I hear non New Zealanders know they are not welcome and are already getting scarce at Otago.
    
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    March 16, 2023 5:26pm
- RoboRob
  
  The rebrand is stupid.
  
  BUT $800,000 just for cunsultation costs. WTF , how can it cost this much and HOW does a govt funced university have a cool 800k sitting around for this sort of ‘work’.
  
  As per the schools, the issue is supposed to be on educating the students but instead its all about the teachers.
  
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  March 16, 2023 10:00am
  - kowtow
    
    It’s also rank hypocrisy.
    
    Note the Maori name is for internal ,domestic consumption , while the continued prominent use of colonial era English will still be used for “marketing” , can’t miss out on all those foreign fee paying students can we .
    
    Virtue signalling goes only so far , innit .
    
    Oversea’s money talks in colonist English .
    
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    March 16, 2023 1:43pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  No, that was Helen Clark, in the late 1980’s. I know that because I was working in Health at the time, and saw first-hand the impact of deinstitutionalisation of mental health patients with inadequate support systems in the community.
  
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  March 16, 2023 10:36am
Maggie Pie

And I’ll tell you something else….

I’ve never forgive that silly bloody Peter Dunne for extending Daylight-Saving out to the first week in April.
When I wake up in the morning my partners already gone 🙁
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March 16, 2023 9:10am
- Jade Warrior
  
  Yes Maggie – extending daylight savings out past the autumn equinox was always a bad idea. From 21 March the southern hemisphere doesn’t even get the lion’s share of the sun anymore, and I am also getting tired of the dark mornings.
  
  But I guess Dunne saw the decision as a possible way to boost party poll ratings (Helen Clark’s government was quite some distance behind National in the polls during that time.)
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:48am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Exactly right Jade. What would a trougher like him know about getting up early for the Closing Bell?
    
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    March 16, 2023 10:31am
kowtow

Teacher’s strike must be good for climate emergency .

No cars clogging up the roads taking Tarquin and Tahlia to school.
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March 16, 2023 9:10am
- MCōs
  
  Not like my day when we walked to school in bare feet with snow up to our knees from day one.
  
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  March 16, 2023 11:54am
  - Jack5
    
    Some of us won’t realise you are being sarcastic, MCos.
    
    But a true story from the very early 1900s (before 1910). In central Southland, a doctor told parents of a boy suffering from bronchitis to let him go barefoot for a year, including through the frosty winter.
    
    It worked! The lad became healthy, and later was a Southland rugby forward in days when the province had a leading provincial team.
    
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    March 16, 2023 12:06pm
    - MCōs
      
      Only half sarcastic
      I walked a mile to school with my older sister from day one , in shoes.
      It never snowed in Timaru back then; doesn’t rain much either.
      A worse problem was the Protestant kids, but we were mates of the O’Reilly’s including the notorious Denis.
      
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      March 16, 2023 1:01pm
      - Ghost
        
        Yeah, I remember walking a few miles to school in primary, it was fun, we played and talked, stopped at each others house on the way. Much further for intermediate and high school. Was maybe one or two fat kids in the entire school back then.
        
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        March 16, 2023 1:06pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
From the blog:
I grew up in New Zealand ????????, we all got along. Came back from aussie in 94, after 10 years away, and couldn’t believe the attitude change. This has worsened since then. It was obvious something was going on. Julian Batchelor has put all the ducks in a row, don’t fear this, listen, learn and adapt.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/listen-to-what-meng-foon-says-about-white-people/

Racism:
“The biggest and loudest racists in New Zealand are elite Maori, Corporate Maori, tribal representatives who are giving Maori special status and privilege.”
“Conclusion? I am, in fact, not the racist.”

There you have it. I know who he means. Have a look at Parliament.
Who is the ‘King’ of Racists in NZ? Go have a read of the Blog.
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March 16, 2023 9:14am
Suze Wainwright

Just thinking about it, how on earth has Chippy been so successful with his ‘policy refocus’?

Is the msm so utterly compliant and subservient?

Is the Green Party of Aotearoa/New Zealand simply so willing to bend over and take one for the cause with back room promises of future baubles?

As recently as September last year, Shaw was trumpeting biofuel mandates and EV requirements. February this year, Chippy says nada, I’ve got a ‘policy refocus’ to implement and dosh diversion for the good citizens of aotearoa’s cost of living problems to manage.

And lo, aotearoa’s msm shall adore Chippy – Hallowed be his name…
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March 16, 2023 9:22am
- Paulus
  
  Greens will do as they are told because if they don’t they will lose all their baubles.
  They will stutter,splutter, and do sweet fa.
  
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  March 16, 2023 10:45am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    But if the three headed hydra gets in next term, then they will have sway alright, they will have to be on cabinet, and MP will have ministers equally as stupid as a certain green minister
    
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    March 16, 2023 11:20am
- GJM
  
  Well teh Greens – the enviromental party – voted agains the Kermadec marine reserve to keep WInston’s fishing company paymasters happy.
  They have had plenty of practice at throwing away so called envirmental issues. As long as they get their marxist ethno nationalist supportign agenda through, the enviroment is expendable.
  
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  March 16, 2023 3:12pm
ClanMcleod

Final post from me, covid related again. No apologies.

mRNA Vaccine Contamination Much Worse Than Thought: Jabs “Up to 35%” DNA That Turns Human Cells into Long-Term Spike Protein Factories

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/03/13/mrna-vaccine-contamination-much-worse-than-thought-jabs-up-to-35-dna-that-turns-human-cells-into-long-term-spike-protein-factories/

Feel free to fact check it……..
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March 16, 2023 9:47am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Twitter bestie from the US asks…”Can this be fixed?”

We could ask the same question here.
I don’t know about others in the group, but I see a definite pattern to this type of violent behaviour. Just saying.

https://twitter.com/Edwino7011/status/1636060395520573440
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March 16, 2023 9:49am
Surely Knott

Nash interfered in the case of the white Southland farmer with an AR15 under his bed.

*What about other people and gang members with AR15’s. What sentences did they receive?

* These 2 gang members with AR15’s were charged in Sept. 2022. But no names, or sentences yet? Will Nash be in touch.

* This Arts Charity Executive had horrific child pornography including of babies. He was given Home D. no Jail. Did Nash ring the police.

* Meanwhile a woman who refusing to display a QR code got Jail?!?!

Is embarrassing the govt the crime that receives the worst punishment in NZ?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/former-nz-arts-organisation-member-caught-with-child-abuse-images-given-home-detention/KD77MCLZIJEPNE4BMF7CHXZTVQ/
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March 16, 2023 9:57am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Why the name suppression? The public has the right to know who this piece of scum is.
  
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  March 16, 2023 8:01pm
  - Ghost
    
    If you mean the art person, release of his details will be determined in may.
    
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    March 16, 2023 8:11pm
Yvette

Luxon Lesson
The little boy who called “Wolf!” too often got eaten by the wolf.
A little boy who never cries “Wolf!” will also get eaten by the bloody wolf.

Or, better a Winston, than never a Winston
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March 16, 2023 10:15am
I remember when

Isn’t it great how quickly what starts out as a lowering of the speed limits, for safety reasons, quickly diverts to CO2 reduction.
The Conversation: Why NZ should lower motorway speeds for SUVs and other high-emission vehilces: Len Gillman. AUT.
* According to AT, areas where speeds have been reduced have seen a 30% reduction in road deaths, compared with a 9% increase where they have not.
* A recent study found reducing maximum speed on NZ roads from 100 to 80 kph reduced fuel use by approx 15%.
* OECD estimated fuel consumption at 90 kph was 23% lower than at 110 kph.
* In the Netherlands increased enforcement of 100 kph speed limits reduced fuel use by approx 15%.
This resulted in savings of 40 million litres of petrol, 40 million litres of diesel and 15 million litres of LPG.

No doubt the increased costs at Supermarkets have resulted in less diesel being used by their suppliers and less CO2 being emitted.
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March 16, 2023 10:27am
- cmm
  
  Think of the starving plants!
  
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  March 16, 2023 10:58am
- Taieri
  
  Going slower means taking longer to reach destination (not always, but in principle it does), which could also means using more fuel, although fuel consumption (in ltrs/100km) is lower. Every ICE is designed to work at its optimal efficiency at a certain load. For example for large marine engines it is at approx. 90% of maximum continuous rating. This is the load at which the specific fuel consumption (in gkW/h) is lowest.
  
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  March 16, 2023 2:57pm
Tony Stuart

Very interesting piece in the Herald backgrounding the circumstances of Stuart Nash’s fall from grace yesterday:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/mike-hosking-the-background-to-now-former-police-minister-stuart-nash-coming-on-the-show/2M5WWYR73RBZTJHXLDXP2J6IFA/

His final line is interesting

Say what you want about Stuart, but of all the people they could have lost yesterday, he was far from the worst of them.
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March 16, 2023 10:34am
- kowtow
  
  Hosking was recounting on the wireless this am the context ;
  
  Nash asked to go on . Basically to blow his own trumpet. Backfired spectacularly , own goal as they say . Bwahahaha.
  
  When he was on he got into full flight on how they were hammering the gangs .
  
  Elsewhere someone has provided a link , just have a listen.
  
  He was banging on about going hard against the gangs , not soft on crime etc
  
  He then stupidly cited the specific case of his pissed off at the judges on sentencing , remember this was about hard on gangs , and his intervenvtion.
  
  But that case had nothing to do with gangs .
  
  Yet more deliberate mis/disinformation from a regime minister .
  
  But for once there’s been a smidgen , a mere smidgen though, of accountability .
  
  Bwahahahaha.
  
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  March 16, 2023 11:02am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Exactly, and that’s what I have been told for the reason he was not on the list of people retiring at next election, if he loses all ministries, he might just pull the plug
  
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  March 16, 2023 11:23am
  - Paulus
    
    Looks as though Nash ain’t to popular in his own Consitituency and he and his other Labour Local Labourites might not get the formen’s jobs again in October.
    Mutterings on TV from locals not favourable, as the paid media usually only talk to people who favour their conclusion.
    
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    March 16, 2023 1:35pm
mogg

Last night on TV3 news there was a report on
Flippy Chippy, when he was minister for police giving incorrect figures on ram raids.
He was understating the true figure by a factor of 3 in one case and x2 in another figure he quoted. The excuse is that it was because of the way the numbers are reported. Given that he has a history of telling lies should this weak excuse be accepted at face value. This has been glossed over by his fan girls in todays news by the wonderful work he is doing for cyclone victims.
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March 16, 2023 11:08am
- bjools
  
  “the wonderful work he is doing for cyclone victims.”
  Not an adjective I would use.
  ie We can send more military help to the Pacific Islands, than we sent to the Cyclone zone.
  He declared a NATIONAL state of emergency and then promptly ONLY sent 700 personnel and 2 helicopters.
  we have 8 helicopter
  9000 full time personnel
  Bridge building equipment and other qualified engineers
  An adequate Navy with the equipment to help.
  But instead we were forced to thank the exhausted volunteers, who did nearly ALL the heavy lifting.
  When in my opinion, the military should have lead the way and the help from all the volunteers gratefully accepted.
  
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  March 16, 2023 12:10pm
Ghost

Great Tesla video

Are Teslas quality cars? Are they safe for your children? Can they drive upside down? Can the fancy white seats really hold up to a 28″ Stihl logging chainsaw? These are great questions… we find out TODAY.
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March 16, 2023 11:16am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

More Conspiracy Theories have come true than Politician’s promises.

That’s going to make me think all day.
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March 16, 2023 11:22am
Blog-aholic

‘Technical Recession’…..what ever that means lol.
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March 16, 2023 11:23am
- Cinematic
  
  In reality world it sure ain’t technical.
  
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  March 16, 2023 12:34pm
- cmm
  
  It means that in the world of feelz we can ignore it.
  
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  March 16, 2023 12:59pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/300831569/government-to-take-lake-onslow-power-project-forward-despite-16b-price-tag

So, before the election some favourites of Labour will be appointed to a new workgroup to commence investigations.
The project will be cancelled by National/ACT.
The workgroup members will be sacked and walk away with a handsome payout.
Just like all the other failed ventures.
What a scam.
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March 16, 2023 11:27am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  15 billion bloody dollars, and this is supposed to only be for a dry year FFS
  
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  March 16, 2023 4:02pm
Jack5

Deserves our attention!

Economist Bryce Wilkinson, in an NZ Initiative analysis, says NZ’s Reserve Banks is among world central banks that inadvertently fuelled excessive inflation through their responses to Covid-19. Many imposed massive losses on taxpayers for little if any demonstrable public benefit,

A taste of Wilkinson’s views on the Reserve Bank:

The Reserve Bank’s Board, its governors and its MPC seriously lack relevant expertise.

Staff turnover at the top of the RBNZ has been extraordinarily high. Too many replacement staff lack expertise in economics, monetary policy, and financial market regulation. Instead, the focus seems to have been on those interested in diversity, climate change, and/or sustainability.

The RBNZ currently has nine governors. The Governor has appointed the other eight since 2018. Only two governors have an academic qualification in economics, and neither have a PhD in any subject. Even so, their pay is extraordinary by New Zealand standards. The salary bill for governors in the year to June 2022 was $5.44 million. If divided by nine, the average is $604,000.51.

You can download Wilkinson’s here – jump to page 6 of the 30 for the start of his analysis:

file:///D:/Data/Odds and ends/MadeByGovernmentNewZealandsMonetaryPolicyMess.pdf

Note: this link doesn’t work automatically by hitting on it. You need to paste the line, from “file…” to “…pdf” into your address line then click on it.
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March 16, 2023 11:33am
- crikey
  
  Here is the correct link. Download the pdf to see it all.
  
  https://www.nzinitiative.org.nz/reports-and-media/reports/made-by-government-new-zealands-monetary-policy-mess/
  
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  March 16, 2023 12:07pm
  - Jack5
    
    Thank you, Crikey, and apologies to anyone who tried to access the file, on the address I gave and which was to my own computer.
    
    I win the day’s “Dumb Arse” award.
    
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    March 16, 2023 12:46pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      With all due respect I think the Award totally belongs to the MSM’s economic reporting which has dismally failed to cover let alone remedy this Government’s financial disasters.
      
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      March 16, 2023 1:08pm
      - mogg
        
        TV ONE, “our specialist economics reporter Katie Bradford”,who like Jacinda wouldn’t know her arse from her elbow.
        
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        March 16, 2023 3:13pm
bjools

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/131512200/gdp-drops-06-economy-on-the-skids

Go on tell me you didn’t see this coming a year ago.
anyone who owns/owned a small business has seen a dramatic fall in receipts and an increase in delayed and non payments.
I service tech for manufacturers, in every lunchroom these days, I seem to meet someone who has got out of their small business (one way or another).
Claiming “massive govt. compliance and costs”.
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March 16, 2023 12:00pm
- cmm
  
  Does Chippy know what the GDP is?
  If so, that’s a step up from Cindy.
  
  You can see this everywhere. Far more closed down shops. Lots of closing down sales.
  
  Productivity is also down. The Gen-feeling people are less interested in working and more interested in finding their path etc. As the oldies retire things will really collapse faster.
  
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  March 16, 2023 12:45pm
  - Cinematic
    
    Yes, the recession began about 6 months ago.
    
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    March 16, 2023 1:45pm
I remember when

The Napier to Gisborne coastal shipping announcement has two benefits for the government.
Firstly it overcomes an immediate problem while also testing their future emphasis on coastal shipping.
The distance is stated to be 104 nautical miles, so leave Gisborne in late afternoon and start unloading in Napier first things next morning, depending on pilot and berth availability.
Fits in with overseas shipping companies wanting to use a limited number of NZ ports.
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March 16, 2023 12:15pm
- fightingtemeraire
  
  When I first came to NZ in the 1960’s NZ had a plethora of coastal shipping companies.
  
  Northern Shipping Co, Richardsons, Holm Shipping and Nelson Shipping Co.
  
  They used the Manukau as one of the loading ports and serviced all the ports inc Gisborne which at the time was still a lighterage port for overseas shipping.
  
  Coastal Shipping, if a NZ Company, has to pay GST, ACC, NZ pay rates etc etc. Whereas the overseas companies like Maersk, MSC, etc etc ann ship the cargoes between ports cheaper as they use cheaper crews, register in FoCs etc.
  
  If cabotage was bought back then coastal shipping could operate on an equal footing with trucks and rail. If the Trans Tasman also became a lake for Australian and NZ Shipping Cos as it was pre 1990’s then both countries could have decent shipping industries.
  
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  March 16, 2023 12:50pm
  - OTGO
    
    For coastal shipping and trucking to be on equal footing with rail it would require the government to sell its Kiwirail shareholding and for it to revert back to private ownership.
    Without grants from the taxpayer it would be broke.
    A private company should be so lucky.
    
    https://www.kiwirail.co.nz/assets/Uploads/documents/Annual-reports/2023/KiwiRail-Holdings-Limited-HY23-Report.pdf
    
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    March 16, 2023 3:09pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Why has this taken so bloody long? when the quake took out SH1, i thought they had coastal shipping sorted in a couple of days, we sent wool early on to Hastings in containers on that shipping
  
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  March 16, 2023 4:04pm
Alan Wilkinson

Everything Jacinda did made the country poorer. Other than cancelling a raft of her idiocies will Chris be the same?
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March 16, 2023 12:23pm
- Mike
  
  Yes. no, or maybe.
  
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  March 16, 2023 1:01pm
- kowtow
  
  Everything she did was divisive .
  
  Hipkins will be no different.
  
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  March 16, 2023 1:36pm
Maggie Pie

Things that make you go HMMM….

Just heard Chippy on ZBNews ‘talking-tough’ about having no option other than to accept Nash’s resignation after he made a grievious error in contacting Cuddles.

Then they cut to Stew saying: “If I was the Prime Minister, I would have done exactly the same thing”

Well….. I SMELL A RAT 🙁
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March 16, 2023 1:15pm
- RF
  
  Chippy the [Mod – deleted] is an Ardern clone. God help NZ.
  
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  March 16, 2023 1:39pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    I think you’re spot on there RF.
    
    Even one of the girls from tennis reckons his position is untenable.
    As she said….he clearly has no idea of the required responsibilities.
    
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    March 16, 2023 1:56pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Perhaps Mr Hipkins needs to read the Cabinet Manual.
  
  https://democracyproject.nz/2023/03/16/bryce-edwards-stuart-nashs-resignation-shows-our-leaders-need-a-lesson-in-civics/
  
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  March 16, 2023 2:26pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Love where it says….
    
    “Even those behind the scenes in The Beehive are calling Nash’s actions dumb-as-fuck”
    
    LOL!!!
    
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    March 16, 2023 2:34pm
- Burtland
  
  something doesnt add up … maybe its theatre sport
  
  Nash holds master’s degrees in Law, Forestry Science and Management from the University of Canterbury. Before moving back to his home town of Napier, he was the Director of Strategic Development at Auckland University of Technology.
  
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  March 16, 2023 10:16pm
- GJM
  
  Less work, same pay, same perks. Sounds like Nash was the winner here
  
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  March 17, 2023 10:40am
Chris Nisbet

James Renwick gives us his opinion about how much of the carnage from Gabrielle was due to ‘climate change’.
From the article….
“could not quantify the extent to which human-caused warming is responsible for the observed increase in heavy rain in this part of New Zealand”.
It also wraps ‘unprecedented’ in double quotes, implying the opposite was true.

The article leaves us with the impression that the next severe rainfall event is imminent by saying that he hopes the region has time to dry out before it occurs.

The attribution study he was involved in tells us that:
– a ‘normal’ number of tropical cyclones was predicted for this summer.
– the frequency of tropical cyclones is expected to _decrease_ a bit, but the intensity expected to increase a bit. However IPCC tells us they can’t really find any evidence of this happening.
– they didn’t actually look very far back through the historical record to see what the actual rainfall trend was, but compared recent observations with what some model thought we’d get without all that pesky gentle warming.

The headlines about the attribution study say this though…
– 30% more rainfall than before we warmed the planet.
– 4 times more likely to happen.

This, despite their predictions of a ‘normal’ cyclone season, and relling us they “could not quantify” the extent.
I wish they’d make their minds up, and let the IPCC know they’ve got this attribution thing down.

Anybody reading that study who comes away with the idea that human-caused CO2 emissions dunnit wasn’t reading carefully enough.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/03/analysis-floods-cyclones-thunderstorms-dominated-aotearoa-s-summer-is-climate-change-to-blame.html
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March 16, 2023 1:27pm
- I remember when
  
  How does James Renwick expect to be taken seriously when he makes absolutely no mention of our present ‘unique this century’weather pattern.
  
  World Meteorological Organization reported on 31/08/22:
  That they predicted the first “triple dip” La Nina of the century.
  It is exceptional to have three consecutive years with a La Nina.
  
  Weather Zone:
  La Nina is a pattern of ocean temperature and wind anomalies across the Pacific Ocean, which affects weather patterns across the world.
  
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  March 16, 2023 2:23pm
- Burtland
  
  whenever hes interviewed on TV he comes across as a kid caught lying
  
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  March 16, 2023 10:21pm
I remember when

Birdlife International warns more extreme climate change snowstorms could see Antarctic seabirds become extinct: (Well not really)
Entire populations of Antarctic seabirds are failing to bred because of extreme ‘climate change’ related snowstorms.
December & January are usually a prime breeding time for the Antarctic petrel, South Polar Skua and the snow petrel.
They breed only on Antarctica.
New research (well not really new, some is at least a year old) has found that during December/January in 2021, and 2022, not one Skua nest was found in one of the main breeding areas.
The extreme snowstorm event was so enormous that it actually stopped breeding across a vast, vast (you can’t have too many vasts) scale of Antarectica, hundreds of if not thousands of kilometres (it nearly means the same distance) that we (BI) are aware of.
(Before you get into a panic.) “Not critically endangered and not necessarily vulnerable,” they stated.
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March 16, 2023 1:45pm
- Ehlana
  
  Umm, if the weather is so bad this year and the birds don’t breed, doesn’t that mean they have more energy to keep themselves alive until next year when the breeding conditions may be more favourable?
  
  Seems like a sensible natural adaptation.
  
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  March 16, 2023 4:39pm
cmm

I fail to understand the way these Ministers’ brains work, but it does seem to be effective.

The Minister is telling the teachers:
* there are parts of the education system that are “absolutely broken”
* we can do better

Isn’t this admitting that they have broken stuff and have screwed up? Or are they still pulling the 9 years of neglect bollocks?
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March 16, 2023 1:55pm
- mogg
  
  they think that if they get in first and state the obvious, somehow it makes it not their fault and allows the MSM to twist reporting in their favour.
  
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  March 16, 2023 2:24pm
- Nickc2
  
  I fail to understand the way these Ministers’ brains work.
  The most eminent Psychologists in the world are still trying to figure that out and as of today, they still haven’t found anything substantial.
  I’m told most of them have given up in disgust and diverted their attention to Stuart Nash.
  That experiment should be a hoot eh?
  
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  March 16, 2023 3:20pm
- Burtland
  
  youre over thinking it – the minister cant even comb her hair FFS
  
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  March 16, 2023 10:28pm
Wayne Mapp

Is anyone else baffled by the extraordinarily high cost estimates for major public works projects? They are literally orders of magnitude higher than previous major projects.

Light Rail has an estimate of around $30 billion. Lake Onslow has an estimate of over $16 billion. These figures make no sense, at least not to me.

The typical motorway project of 20 km comes in around $1 billion. Think Transmission Gully,
Hamilton Bypass, Puhoi to Warkworth. They typically take 6 years to build.

Waterview Tunnel (two 3 lane tunnels of 2.4 KM plus another 3 km of motorway) cost $2.7 billion ten years ago.

The Central Rail Loop with 3.45 km of twin rail tunnels plus 3 big stations will now cost $5.5 billion, including $1 billion in covid costs. It will take ten years to build.

But Onslow and Light Rail are enormously more expensive. How come?

The government doesn’t build them, private contractor do. The costings are done by independent consultants.

I know modern projects are gold plated compared to the past, just look at the finish and associated works of modern motorway projects.

At the projected costs, the projects become completely indefensible. For a comparison, Cross Rail in London, with 21 km of two way tunnels, cost $50 billion, but this is a vastly more complicated project than Light Rail in Auckland.

For comparison with Light Rail at $30 billion, that is enough money, based on recent motorway costs, to build 600 km of motorway. Enough to have a motorway from Whangarei to Wellington with a side branch to Tauranga, taking into account the 250 km that has already been built.

However, based on the recent enormous increases, could 20km of motorway be built for $1 billion? Would it now cost $2 billion?

I hope DPF does a specific item on this issue, because on the face of it, NZ would appear to have by far and away the highest construction costs in the world. This is making it impossible for governments to do anything serious.
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March 16, 2023 1:57pm
- Ghost
  
  This government just throws around money, I would guess many just fade out over at the costs now.
  
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  March 16, 2023 2:03pm
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Actually Cross Rail has 42 km of tunnels (two way) with 21 km being cut and cover and 21 km being bored. Nine new stations and major changes to many other stations. Quite a bit for $50 billion compared the paltry Light Rail system for $30 billion.
  
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  March 16, 2023 2:22pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  A breakdown of costs would throw light.
  
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  March 16, 2023 2:22pm
- Wayne Mapp
  
  For other super expensive projects internationally, there is Hinkley C nuclear plant in the UK, with a cost of $66 billion and the ITER Fusion project in France with a cost of $50 billion. All NZ dollars. Both with more than ten years on construction.
  
  Hinckley C is an advanced twin reactor plant built to highest conceivable safety standards. It will produce 3, 200 MW of power. To put that in perspective, that is one third of the total installed electrical generation in New Zealand.
  
  The ITER project is the ultimate cutting edge large scale technology project in the world.
  
  In contrast Onslow would simply involve canals, pumps, a dam and some generators. Stuff that has been done on a large scale for over 100 years. Hoover Dam is nearly 90 years old. Arapuni is 94 years old. Hardly cutting edge technology.
  
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  March 16, 2023 2:44pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    They’ll be mighty big pumps I should think. How many Mw? Have they done this kind of energy storage anywhere?
    
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    March 16, 2023 4:25pm
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Lots such plants dating all the way back to the 1920’s. The pumps are essentially reversible turbines. A comparable sized plant is Cruchan Station on Loch Awe, built between 1959 and 1965. Capacity of 440 MW.
      
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      March 16, 2023 4:44pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    None of those overseas projects have to contend with taniwhas.
    
    Just saying.
    
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    March 16, 2023 8:09pm
Cinematic

Wayne, do you think these independent consultants and their ilk pay heed to who they’re presenting to? Dumb and dumber (Labour et al) are bound to receive a different presentation to Mr & Mrs Astute (National et al).

I remember Sir Robert Jones writing about ‘cardigan wearing bureaucrats’ being taken to the cleaners on government sell down of assets in the late 80’s.
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March 16, 2023 2:14pm
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Yes, I do wonder about the extent to which Labour are played. However, the costs are so high, they make it impossible for even Labour to commit to them. Which would therefore be an own goal for the consultants and the construction firms.
  
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  March 16, 2023 2:24pm
  - Swifty
    
    This is just an assertion of mine, I have no hard evidence in support, but I have wondered in the past whether lefty politicians are an easier touch because they appear to measure success in terms of money spent – not results achieved.
    
    Just listen to them – the vast majority of public utterances, press releases, interview quotes are about how much they plan to spend on something, how much is ‘new money’, how much more it is than National spent – as of this is not only wonderful but to be greatly admired by us peasants.
    
    When was the last time you saw or heard a Labour politician give a detailed walkthrough of their portfolio achievements in office i.e. achievements, measurable results, how problems have actually improved or been eliminated?
    
    Instead, I feel, as they can’t show actual results (that would be embarrassing for them) they just bang on about money spent to create the illusion of progress. Of achievement.
    
    As a result, they are less discerning when a ministry, crown entity or outside organisation leader comes to them seeking funding for something. Their tendency is to approve it – so that it can become just one more thing to say they ‘are doing’ again to create the illusion that they’re busy and ‘getting things done’.
    
    I’d welcome your view Wayne.
    
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    March 16, 2023 2:52pm
    - Libertarians are right
      
      Didn’t Cullen tell the then owners of NZ Rail that he was desperate to buy their worthless railway and for them to name their price? It’s easy to waste money when you have no appreciation of its value.
      
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      March 16, 2023 3:24pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The difference between a Billion and a Trillion is three zeros, and as zero has no value, there is no extra cost.
        AOC. Yes she did say that!.
        
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        March 16, 2023 3:53pm
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Swifty,
      
      I mostly agree. I also note that Labour’s primary measure seems to be how much money was spent, not how much was actually done.
      
      So yes, a high figure then has appeal to them. But when the figure gets ludicrously high, then even Labour stalls.
      
      I know my next analogy doesn’t make that much sense. But here goes anyway.
      
      Australia is getting eleven nuclear submarines (3 bought from the US in the next few years, then 8 built in partnership with the UK and the US to a common design), employing a construction force of 10,000 in Adelaide for 15 years and operating the submarines with the massive shore facilities for 30 years. All for $380 billion. Built and operated for 30 years!
      
      Which is ten times the cost of Light Rail. However that is only the cost of building Light Rail, not the cost of operating it for 30 years. The build cost of Light Rail is about the same as the build cost of nine of the nuclear submarines. Guess which is the more complicated to build.
      
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      March 16, 2023 3:42pm
      - Swifty
        
        Thanks Wayne.
        
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        March 16, 2023 4:23pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        I imagine even the weight of the materials in 9 nuclear submarines (about 90,000 tonnes) will not be that different to the weight of all the components of Light Rail. But guess which requires more engineering expertise and quality control.
        
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        March 16, 2023 4:48pm
Maggie Pie

‘Police-Watchdog’ hauls another poor Cop over the coals… for doing his job 🙁

https://twitter.com/1NewsNZ/status/1636162149427867649

When approached for comment, a member of the IPCA is understood to have told the reporter….

“Whilst I am unable to discuss individual cases, I remember this one well. Was home at the time watching Sky Sport, brandy in hand, slippers on, feet up….cigar”

FFS!!
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March 16, 2023 2:22pm
- kowtow
  
  Sorry Mags , but if that hadda been you or me we’d be up on charges . How come the copper ain’t.
  
  That cop has problems , beating up a restrained prisoner , while a few other cops hold him down .
  
  And it appears to be part of a pattern.
  
  That’s third world stuff .
  
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  March 16, 2023 4:09pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    TBF kt, I think the Police should be allowed to get on with their job.
    
    I can honestly say that neither my partner nor me, (along with everyone we know), has EVER been arrested, let alone beaten-up by the cops.
    And we are never likely to be.
    
    What does that tell you?
    
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    March 16, 2023 4:30pm
    - Mike
      
      That your crimes haven’t been detected yet?
      
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      March 16, 2023 4:35pm
Swifty

“It’s all about the kids!!!!!”

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/education/300830305/live-teachers-across-the-country-hold-historic-joint-strike-action

No it’s not. It’s all about teacher salaries and conditions.

Let’s not forget that the majority of these people featured opposed partnership schools, refused to have anything to do with them or the teachers who worked in them, they were ostracised. They refused to even share publicly-owner spaces or other resources with them.

They said, in effect, “we don’t care how much these new schools may increase student achievement, we don’t care how many students may be brought back on track, we don’t care how many lives might be beneficially changed – we will oppose them every step of the way, because they threaten our incumbency, interests, and protected positions.”

Does that sound like people who put the interest of our children first?

Here, look at their faces:

https://www.nzeiteriuroa.org.nz/about-us/national-executive

These are the faces of people who refuse to allow any innovation or change in NZ education delivery irrespective of the benefits to parents and pupils and wider society unless it preserves their special interests.

These are the people who have delivered us an education system which has fallen off the international cliff now over decades.

I don’t know how these people sleep at night.
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March 16, 2023 2:40pm
- Prince
  
  Well said Swifty. I see the organiser are pushing kids, mostly under 10, into the frame when the media cameras are rolling.
  Just more politicising of our kids.
  
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  March 16, 2023 2:53pm
- Swifty
  
  Just imagine a situation where McDonalds had such power in and dominance of the fast food industry that they controlled who in NZ was allowed to open up a takeaway outlet in opposition to them.
  
  Then imagine how fat and lazy McDonalds would become, how their food quality would deteriorate and their prices rise – all because they had no competition to keep them sharp, on their toes, focussed on their customers and offering great value for money.
  
  Then go look again at the pics of the NZEI National Executive.
  
  Then go and look at the faces of these people and read them writing about themselves:
  
  https://www.education.govt.nz/our-work/our-role-and-our-people/our-leadership-team/
  
  These are the highly paid public servants who preside over a system where 40% of our school leavers can barely read, write or add up; and where a majority of our Maori and Pacific kids leave our schooling with little or no qualifications whatsoever.
  
  Damn you. Damn you all to hell.
  
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  March 16, 2023 4:22pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Nope. They are well over quota in that respect.
  
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  March 16, 2023 8:12pm
Master Mariner

An interesting article about NZ’s Mis information.

“Ministry of Truth NZ: The documents that reveal the government’s many-tentacled approach to mass political monitoring”

https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/ministry-of-truth-nz-the-documents-that-reveal-the-governments-many-tentacled-approach-to
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March 16, 2023 3:03pm
cmm

That useless (inaudible) Robbo is doing some olympic grade spinning:

“While GDP is likely to move around a bit as we continue to recover from Covid, our economy is nearly 6.7 per cent bigger than before the start of the pandemic, ahead of most countries we compare ourselves with”.

Gee, Daddy went and blew out the credit card to the tune of $150bn or whatever (can’t do the sums because that would be colonialism) and now he’s boasting that the car in the driveway isn’t as rusty as the neighbour’s.
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March 16, 2023 3:14pm
- Cinematic
  
  Fantasy growth.
  
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  March 16, 2023 3:20pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Here is a little pearler:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/598366980963082/permalink/1381472272652545/
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March 16, 2023 3:15pm
- Inandout
  
  SO, that would be delish to see those View panelists looking for other employment. Rubin often comments on that show and the bile that eminates from those women.
  
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  March 16, 2023 4:49pm
cmm

“Shocking images” from El Salvador.

Please, please, please can’t we have just a teeny, tiny bit of that over here?

I suspect that in a year or two El Slavador with have their recidivism numbers fall off a cliff, while here they just get worse.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/shocking-images-of-new-prisoners-from-worlds-worst-prison/XTQQIKEMIBFXTHJC7OBQF6CPZE/
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March 16, 2023 3:54pm
- Mike
  
  Perhaps you should just move to El Salvador so that you can enjoy the soon to be crime-free paradise.
  
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  March 16, 2023 4:33pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

No! Really?
https://billingsreport.com/the-biden-crime-family-is-about-to-implode/
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March 16, 2023 4:00pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Corruption to people is not a crime, it is just daily business!
  That is how it works for them.
  Meanwhile in NZ we are getting screwed, think about it……
  
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  March 16, 2023 4:03pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Another downtick. Hello Mike.
    
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    March 16, 2023 4:41pm
- Inandout
  
  SO, I was once wary of miracles happening but Joe’s election as President surely was.
  
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  March 16, 2023 5:57pm
Swifty

I must confess I never knew that the NZ Labour Party and Matt McCarten had also gone into the food box business:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/131517342/meal-kit-company-woop-fined-39000-for-paying-interns-only-half-their-weekly-income
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March 16, 2023 4:30pm
tknorriss

Hipkins might not have much option to sack Nash completely.

It wasn’t his first time at the Rodeo. Soper talking about it at the moment.
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March 16, 2023 4:48pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Now ‘who’ is the other Biden.
Quite simple really.
“They are a Biden. I’m not going to disclose that new name, that really changes things because what we assumed was this was just about the president’s son and two brothers, but now there is a new name that’s emerged. They are a Biden.”

https://billingsreport.com/republicans-discover-a-new-biden-relative-received-payouts-from-graft/

Jill. She is keeping Joe going for one reason. Are the leftist US media that thick? Nope they are covering Jill Biden.
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March 16, 2023 4:59pm
Ghost

Cabinet minister Stuart Nash is set to come under further pressure amind revelations the Solicitor General had considered prosecuting him for contempt over public comments he had made after the arrest of Eli Epiha in the case of the killing of police constable Matthew Hunt.

Newstalk ZB today revealed the earlier occasion, which led to Nash being formally reprimanded for comments he had made on the Mike Hosking Breakfast show in June 2020.

NZ Herald
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March 16, 2023 5:04pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Looks like Nash is dangling on a thin thread…
  
  Will Hipkins continue to provide cover for his recidivist minister?
  
  David Parker Attorney General knows all the details, then & now.
  
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  March 16, 2023 5:18pm
  - Ghost
    
    Chippy will want to be seen as a legitimate leader, Nash will have to lose his portfolios
    
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    March 16, 2023 5:21pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Hipkins is using the Helen Clark line..
      
      “That was in the past, move on”
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/stuart-nash-resigns-as-police-minister-almost-faced-contempt-charge-in-2020-over-comment-about-cop-killers-arrest/VILBVTNNPFEOZASU375B35ACYM/
      
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      March 16, 2023 5:29pm
      - Swifty
        
        I saw that.
        
        So next time a recidivist wife-basher or burglar is up for sentencing for current offending, he can just say to the judge about his extensive criminal background “that was in the past, move on….”
        
        Good to know.
        
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        March 16, 2023 5:32pm
Swifty

I’m not clever enough to engage in the climate change debate but I will ask just how do these silly people get away with spouting such rubbish?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a7WefRNcoyI

Quite why they aren’t laughed out of the public square escapes me.
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March 16, 2023 5:06pm
Swifty

What fresh hell is this?

https://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/131519045/government-crashes-major-climate-policy-and-creates-290-million-hole

Does the Labour cabinet know what in the world they are doing? Do they have a coherent strategy or are they just floundering, doing anything they think might lift their electoral chances irrespective of the damage caused to the country?

They look like a party out of control.
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March 16, 2023 5:38pm
Swifty

How to write a Smiths song in under one minute:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JVX5TEWEuGQ
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March 16, 2023 5:42pm
Ghost

If the answer to school shootings is to spend $60,000 putting in bulletproof rooms, maybe it’s time to ask a different question. Maybe even look at bullying and mental health.

Safe rooms
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March 16, 2023 6:09pm
Ghost

What a shame, but won’t be the only business we hear close down or making huge cuts

Tradie staples Irvines and MacKenzie pies are being discontinued from June – with the manufacturer looking to cut 90 jobs at the Palmerston North and Oamaru factories.

Manufacturer Goodman Fielder blamed “significant cost increases including fuel, energy, labour, and raw ingredients” on the loss of the dairy and petrol station food item.

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March 16, 2023 6:44pm
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  Goodman Fielder is closing down?
  
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  March 16, 2023 7:09pm
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Seven Auckland railway stations are getting new names, including the city’s busiest train station, Britomart.

Anselm Haanen, Ngā Pou Taunaha o Aotearoa New Zealand Geographic chairperson, said six of the seven railway stations – two in South Auckland and four in central Auckland – were gifts from mana whenua.
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  What an absolute load of tosh.
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:08pm
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    Renaming things that will probably be mothballed in 10 years anyway as robo-taxis make them obsolete
    
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    March 16, 2023 9:24pm
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  More confusing Maorification. What an insult to the English speaking majority.
  
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  March 16, 2023 9:27pm
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  Maori really are the wonder race.
  
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  March 16, 2023 11:52pm
Swifty

Just look at this bloody disgrace.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131518820/teacher-strike-education-minister-told-to-walk-the-talk-by-booing-protesters

After 15 of the last 24 years in power and nearly two full three year terms into this current administration here is New Zealand’s Education Minister admitting the system is crap. Broken.

And listen to all the talk about the teachers about how they are seen, heard and valued.

What about the tens of thousands of New Zealand kids and their families who are thoroughly failed by an education elite who refuse to entertain any alternatives to the state educational monopoly.

The whole thing makes me sick. Labour don’t give a shit.
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  New Zealand needs education reform, but teachers fight this at every step. Even a return to last centuries style of education would be a leap forward.
  
  Instead our teachers prefer woke educational ideologies that embrace white shame and abhor the thought of professional accountability.
  
  At first glance, one would think teachers should have the same public support as the nurses… but, this is not so, simply because our slide in educational outcomes is so visibly tragic.
  
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