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Warren

Why is it that when the Prime Minister Chris Hipkins lies bends the truth or makes a mistake it is allowed by our corrupt media and there out of touch Journalists, yet when it is the National Party Leader Chris Luxon or one of his MP’s it is a catastrophe and the media immediately start a witchhunt against the Leader and his party.
How far do the public want this Country to let its debt rise before they realize that it is their children, Grandchildren and Great Grandchildren that will be saddled with this Labour Party out of control spending and lies to when they are found out, like the $14 million spent on advertising their Minister of Health and the Labour Party recently.
While you have to spend to fix disasters like our floods recently you also have to have a plan, so please can we have the plan as the waffling is not the common sense that is needed.
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March 13, 2023 8:03am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  14 mill got the filthy glossy of tgd health minister? I thought it was 14 k but 14 mill would not surprise me
  
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  March 13, 2023 9:12am
  - Mark Hanley
    
    Chris Hipkins, Jacinda Adern, and Grant Robertson all have a plan.
    
    They plan/planned to line their own pockets as much as they could before getting kicked out. Much like their Labour Party mentors (Clark and Cullen) did.
    
    According to the Roy Morgan poll, over half of NZers approve of their plan.
    
    Unless we speak up and demand to know where all our money has disappeared to, the next Labour government will adopt the same plan.
    
    Instead of paying back debt, National should build infrastructure. Otherwise National are playing along with the plan by filling the coffers for the Labour hierarchy to raid again.
    
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    March 13, 2023 10:08am
    - peterwn
      
      That was National’s problem in 2014-2017. They should have had a big spend-up and locked in as many projects as possible. They should have allocated billions to alleviate child poverty and then found they could do an effective job with a fraction of that. Unfortunately John Key and Bill English were too conservative for this.
      
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      March 13, 2023 12:31pm
      - Mark Hanley
        
        TRUE. I heard from a reputable source that Key and English were advised to take advantage of NZ’s relatively low debt to build more infrastructure during the gfc but they declined the opportunity. It will be interesting to hear from the horses mouth why they didn’t!
        
        We need a hierarchy of vital infrastructure projects so successive governments have to explain or provide alternative business cases for any derivation from the plan (Australia have a similar hands off arrangement for their defense spending). Any derivation must be approved by referendum.
        
        Without change, we will continue to enrich the Labour hierarchy whilst we all get progressively poorer and sicker.
        
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        March 13, 2023 12:48pm
      - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
        
        I agree, remember they wouldn’t even lock in tax cuts because they needed to be “responsible” Well that turned out well didn’t it…
        
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        March 13, 2023 3:58pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    It was $14,000, but the point still holds – the Health Ministry is supposed to be reforming the health sector, not paying for puff pieces for its Minister.
    
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    March 13, 2023 10:48am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Exactly
      
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      March 13, 2023 11:19am
    - peterwn
      
      As far as I can see Labour does not have a clue how to reform the health system. Nothing substantive has happened. All Hui and no Do-ey.
      
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      March 13, 2023 12:32pm
      - Paulus
        
        But arn’t the Government leaving the whole Heaklth restructuring to the new Maori Executive – they know how to do it.
        
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        March 13, 2023 1:35pm
      - Jinky
        
        Same old, same old
        
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        March 13, 2023 3:17pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  More and more spent on Census ads as well. It was supposed to be done on the 7th.
  Now the ads say there is more time, it is not too late. Is the Govt not getting the results they wants so get more papers filled out so they can tamper with them?
  What? They would never do that! We are talking liars and crooks here, they will do anything that will keep them in power.
  
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  March 13, 2023 10:02am
  - Paulus
    
    The word you are looking for in the Census results is Moderated !
    Like GCSE remember get the results what you want them to be.
    
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    March 13, 2023 10:20am
  - Bloody Dago
    
    Exactly- On the money Steve
    
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    March 13, 2023 3:26pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I do believe there are Census People helping those who did not fill the form, or sadly, unable to. Those helpers just want the person’s name and resthome address.
      Fill in the form as the helpers wish.
      Tell me this is not happening! They do the same at Election time – roaming the Resthomes and Hospitals.
      
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      March 13, 2023 4:26pm
- House
  
  To answer you question regarding why Labour is popular, I think it is because so many people that voted for them last time, do not want to admit they were duped / got it wrong.
  Also, a lot of people do not trust conservative politicians or publicly admit that they do.
  
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  March 13, 2023 12:02pm
  - kisekiman
    
    I would agree that all politicians are inherently untrustworthy but why the left ones would be perceived as any less trustworthy is no doubt due to feelz and the level to which the large proportion of the public relies on the Government for their survival in the form of cushy Govt jobs, consultants fees, directorships, media grants, treaty settlements all the way down to benefits, WFF accommodation allowances etc. The level of grift in NZ Society is now at a level where nobody can vote for it to be reversed. Get out now while your NZD$ can still buy you a plane ticket. Aussie might not be much better but it sure ain’t as bad.
    
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    March 13, 2023 12:56pm
- Lenticular
  
  Because Luxon is a wet who has repeatedly shown the media that they can be left wing activists and he will never push back on their bad behaviour, that’s why.
  
  Want to ask why the civil service is openly tilting left these days?
  
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  March 13, 2023 6:26pm
Simon

Are National going to close down NZ on Air? Used by Labo to funnel corrupt payments to MSM.
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March 13, 2023 8:06am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  No, it would be reformed instead.
  
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  March 13, 2023 8:52am
  - Simon
    
    To be yet “reformed’ when Labo/ Gweens get back in and used to abuse society again. Should be closed down by National. NZ on Air should always be explicitly linked with corruption. Making it much harder for Labo / Gween to reinstate yrs later.
    
    Reformed by National is cowardly.
    
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    March 13, 2023 8:59am
    - Matt Long
      
      There’s a lot of low quality infotainment depends on NZ on air funding, are you suggesting our taxes shouldn’t be funding low quality dross?
      You’re calling into question the whole raison d’etre of government.
      There’s too many right wing extremist opinions on this blog. //
      
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      March 13, 2023 9:08am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Reform a corrupt network is cowardly? Oh ffs. What do you call the buying of toxic journalism then?
      
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      March 13, 2023 9:14am
    - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
      
      yes indeed “reformed”…. so the deckchairs get shuffled around a bit, and the luvvies all get to sit around and divvy the cash up amongst themselves – exactly as they do now.
      
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      March 13, 2023 4:00pm
  - alloytoo
    
    National should request repayment of the loans issues to MSM under this scheme.
    
    The howls would be delicious.
    
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    March 13, 2023 9:05am
  - RoboRob
    
    As I have suggested a number of times TVNZ and RNZ need to be privatised. No need for the govt to own this stuff anymore AND brings conflict of interest issues. I believe National / Act should take a leaf out of Labours playbook and mention nothing about it until they are elected, at which point they just do it.
    
    Not sure about NZ on air, probably just needs a restructure.
    
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    March 13, 2023 9:11am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      All of NZ Media needs the deadwood commies thrown out.
      
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      March 13, 2023 10:07am
    - The Redbaiter
      
      RoboRob- “As I have suggested a number of times TVNZ and RNZ need to be privatised”
      
      It won’t happen. It should, but it won’t because Luxon, Willis and the rest are as much into communist controlled radio/TV as Labour are.
      
      NZ On Air/ Creative NZ should be closed down too. It is a conduit to feed taxpayer money to communist propagandists who pose as entertainers and artists. Helen Clark’s brainchild, it was set up expressly for this purpose.
      
      That National will not deal to it is just one more signal that the party has been infiltrated and taken over by the left.
      
      The lesson is plain. If you despise this stuff, and see it as crippling NZ’s democracy, then you’re wasting your vote putting it with the same old same old. Especially today, with the Nats further to the left than they have ever been.
      
      Time for new non-communist blood.
      
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      March 13, 2023 10:46am
      - peterwn
        
        Assuming the people will support the ‘new non-communist blood’ at the polls.
        
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        March 13, 2023 5:15pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      But but but the luvvies
      
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      March 13, 2023 11:20am
  - Nickc2
    
    To hell with reforming them! A new Govt should shut this entity down. Those within it have proven themselves to be political lackeys.
    
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    March 13, 2023 9:25am
  - thirteenstars
    
    “No, it would be reformed instead.”
    
    Oh, we know. We know. The National-Labour Uniparty is a wonderful thing to see in operation: Labour proposes, National imposes.
    
    Co-governance, race-based education funding, Mauri religion in the science curriculum, it’ll all keep rolling along while the luvvies are brought to a fever pitch over man-made killer cyclones and threats to their electric car subsidies.
    
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    March 13, 2023 9:26am
    - leoj
      
      3…..2……1…… and G responds:
      No, ffs, National are our only choice.
      They are perfect in every way and Luxon is the next Saint.
      
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      March 13, 2023 11:09am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      I certainly hope you are not suggesting Nats are calling to have cogovernance in our services, because that has been completely ruled out
      
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      March 13, 2023 11:21am
      - thirteenstars
        
        Only in their Three Waters replacement scheme.
        
        It’s business as usual elsewhere, or perhaps you could point to the policy or commitments that National will root it out of the public service, government contracts and funding, and prevent it from being implemented at local body level.
        
        This should not be an afterthought. It should be a specific election platform and they should be shouting it out loud. And there bloody-well should be a policy that commits the party to that goal, which is a central tenet of democracy: one person, one vote.
        
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        March 13, 2023 12:30pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        thirteenstars 12.30pm
        No, it is not only in three waters, but they have also ruled out a co-governance on any services, if you think it’s only three waters, then perhaps you should be like Maureen Pugh and do some reading, he has stated over and over again there will be no separatist services.
        
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        March 13, 2023 2:59pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        “he has stated over and over again there will be no separatist services”
        
        Oh, please refer me to these statements of policy.
        
        Surely they must be on the National Party policy pages? Or in press releases that involve statements of clear intent.
        
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        March 13, 2023 4:40pm
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      New Zealand has had something like NZ on Air ever since the beginning of private broadcasting. There is no way that National would close that down. Not even with Act. Unless you want a one term government.
      
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      March 13, 2023 11:47am
      - Nickc2
        
        Disband everyone, give it a Maori name, selectively rehire, and the entity will survive forever. Or at least until another Socialist/Communist centric Govt is elected.
        
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        March 13, 2023 12:02pm
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        Read carefully the list of the projects funded in the latest funding round. Apart from the people making this stuff, how many New Zealanders would notice if this was switched off? All the wailing would come from the producers, not any potential audience.
        
        https://www.nzonair.govt.nz/news/novemeber-2022-funding-decisions/
        
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        March 13, 2023 1:08pm
  - Colville
    
    Reformed?
    
    “we had to destroy the village to save it”
    
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    March 13, 2023 9:35am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Let’s face it – they are pretty toxic.
      
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      March 13, 2023 10:09am
    - Paulus
      
      Colville
      Sounds like the Communist Party rhetoric !
      
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      March 13, 2023 10:21am
      - Colville
        
        The quote is attributed to a US Army Major who had just had a village bombed and napalmed out of existence in 1968.
        
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        March 13, 2023 1:59pm
    - Loddenthinks
      
      The operation was a success. The patient died.
      
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      March 13, 2023 2:49pm
  - G152
    
    Politi speak
    
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    March 13, 2023 10:19am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Wayne can you flesh out this “reformed” you speak of. What does this mean precisely?
    
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    March 13, 2023 12:51pm
- Ghost
  
  Some on the right seem to embrace the cancel culture
  
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  March 13, 2023 9:03am
  - plc
    
    Very strange comment.
    
    Surely NZ on Air should be apolitical?
    
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    March 13, 2023 9:07am
  - alloytoo
    
    Either the MSM are independent media outlets or the propaganda arm of government.
    
    They can decide, but as a taxpayer I don’t want bar of the later.
    
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    March 13, 2023 9:08am
  - RoboRob
    
    No, thats what TVNZ / RNZ need to be privatised. Currently they are cancelling anything negative about the govt, that needs to end.
    
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    March 13, 2023 9:08am
    - Ghost
      
      Are they? They’re reporting on the crime, the murders, less cancel tvnz because national aren’t getting much traction. Yeah let’s cancel it huh
      
      BTW tvnz is self funding. Some programs get nz on air funding, the news doesn’t
      
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      March 13, 2023 9:11am
      - RoboRob
        
        Yeah, no. If you think your getting the full story from TVNZ your dreaming.
        
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        March 13, 2023 9:12am
      - Ghost
        
        The good thing is if you don’t like any of the media there are plenty of alternatives, but looking at their ratings they are doing well
        
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        March 13, 2023 9:36am
      - Yabster
        
        If you think RNZ & TVNZ are balanced Ghost you’remore naive than I had thought- they may report on crime etc but hidden away- they much prefer to report on what they see as social injustice/racial inequality and ram opinion pieces down the publics throat like it’s facts.
        
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        March 13, 2023 9:32am
      - Ghost
        
        Have I said they are balanced? I don’t watch them, but let’s drop the canceling things because you don’t like it. You have the ability to not watch or read something you don’t like if you are mature enough, but some watch and read to just come here and moan about it. The media have never been unbiased, never will be, its no reason to sell a profitable SOE.
        
        Put you big boy panties on and stop watching and reading what you don’t like instead of wanting things canceled or sold.
        
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        March 13, 2023 9:43am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Partisan TV !
        
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        March 13, 2023 10:02am
      - thirteenstars
        
        Self-funding? Then they don’t need to be state-owned. No need for public money and they operate in a fully commercial manner.
        
        I once locked a group of luvvies in my lounge and randomly switched between TV1 news, Tv3 news, and the breakfast shows of both, but none of them noticed. I also dropped in a few clips of Sesame Street. They giggled at Big Bird’s antics but seem concerned he had nothing to say about man-made killer cyclones or threats to electric vehicle subsidies. But overall, the captive luvvies couldn’t discern a difference.
        
        Sell it off.
        
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        March 13, 2023 10:11am
      - The Redbaiter
        
        Ghost- “BTW tvnz is self funding. Some programs get nz on air funding, the news doesn’t”
        
        Their profit margin is coincident exactly with what they have skimmed from the taxpayer via govt advertising. Furthermore they are not required to make a profit, so there’s that.
        
        In a fully commercial environment TVNZ would be broke in a few months.
        
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        March 13, 2023 10:53am
    - Yabster
      
      I don’t wear panties Ghost, do you? I never mentioned cancellation- and I don’t watch TVNZ or TV3 news – Prime- 30 mins no time to try and push the socialist crap the other two stations do.
      
      TV3 are a private company- ratings/the market will decide their fate. RNZ and TVNZ are funded by the taxpayer so should at least attempt to be policitically neutral don’t you think?- similar to public sector CEO’S…..
      
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      March 13, 2023 10:00am
      - Ghost
        
        Tvnz are self funding and pay a dividend to the govt, not tax payer funded. Although they all have some nz on air funding for different projects.
        
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        March 13, 2023 10:13am
      - RoboRob
        
        @Ghost
        Its not about cancelling or whether they are profitable or not. The issue is that when a government owns the media there is the possibility for state control / coercion. Why should the govt own media outlets?
        
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        March 13, 2023 11:09am
      - I remember when
        
        No reading stories at the library for you then.
        
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        March 13, 2023 2:09pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      They are complicit with a Marxist regime !
      
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      March 13, 2023 10:01am
      - The Redbaiter
        
        G the giant from Dunedin- “They are complicit with a Marxist regime !”
        
        If you dislike Marxism, why are you such an ardent supporter of National? Luxon/ Willis just announced that if elected they would redistribute $75 per week in child care “rebates” to families earning up to $140K pa, with it tapering off up to $175K pa. What’s that if its not Marxism?
        
        Or is it just the colour of the Marxism you don’t like? Red Marxism bad. Blue Marxism good.
        
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        March 13, 2023 11:01am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Red baiter 11.01
        I THOUGHT I TOLD YOU TO WORRY ABOUT YOUR OWN OPINION, you don’t get yo dictate yo us who to vote for, GOT IT.
        
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        March 13, 2023 11:52am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        G the giant from Dunedin I couldn’t see RB “dictating” anything. Take a break from the interwebs and smell the roses, so to speak, for a while? Sometimes I need to do that so I don’t get too caught up with “someone on the internet is wrong” fights!🤣
        
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        March 13, 2023 1:47pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        NZer in Exile 1.47PM
        No i will not, he is telling me not to vote for a Marxist party, i stopped that in the 80’s, he can stick his ACT party up his jacksy
        
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        March 13, 2023 3:02pm
    - RoboRob
      
      @Ghost
      
      As I said, its not about cancelling them. The govt shouldn’t own media outlets. The issue of balance is always a concern. I say privatise them and let them sink or swim.
      
      The argument for ownership is to ensure niche topics are covered that otherwise might not be. However we now have Youtube and Podcasts that allow a publishing medium for niche groups. If your into pig racing there is no longer a need for the govt to pay RNZ to cover it.
      
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      March 13, 2023 11:06am
    - Sacha
      
      It depends what you see the role of Tv/Radio to be. If it is government sponsored it will follow the sponsor’s directives, or lose funding. That’s how it works with any sponsorship.
      If you want a factual report of government activities you won’t get it.
      If you want an even-handed judgement of government policies, you won’t get it from the sponsored outlets.
      So, just accept that the current National Radio and Television news outlets are sponsored by the government, and stop listening to them.
      It’s quite easy to do.
      
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      March 13, 2023 12:20pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Ghost as you well know, not “cancel culture” at all.
    
    Cancelling corruption? Yes.
    
    Nice try though.
    
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    March 13, 2023 12:52pm
    - Ghost
      
      Oh so now it’s corrupt because it funds things you don’t support, gee, corrupt, canceled, I must be on a leftie blog today
      
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      March 13, 2023 1:12pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Ghost as you well know the oxymoron known as the “Public Interest”(yeah right) Journalism Fund is corruption. It creates a far left vice grip on News.
        
        It appears you simply don’t want the corruption that benefits your political buddies to end.
        
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        March 13, 2023 1:55pm
      - Ghost
        
        Have I got political buddies? That’s news to me, who are they just so I know?
        
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        March 13, 2023 2:12pm
Bridgenag

Teen Suicides Due to the Deliberate Lies Told by the UK Government about COVID Risk

Dr Renee Hoenderkamp talks to Dr David Bull on Talk TV
https://open.substack.com/pub/metatron/p/teen-suicides-due-to-the-deliberate?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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March 13, 2023 8:07am
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/131429717/passenger-complains-of-racist-narrative-on-interislander-information-boards
So now we have to re-write history – or one side of New Zealand’s history.
This is getting ridiculous that one section of our society has to be pandered to in this way.
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March 13, 2023 8:11am
- Yabster
  
  yep facts are very racist- it was all honey and light pre 1840…
  
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  March 13, 2023 8:14am
  - alloytoo
    
    Well only for one year, the honey bees only arrived in 1839….
    
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    March 13, 2023 9:10am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Gravelroad – it won’t surprise you how it was funded then.
  
  This is a Public Interest Journalism funded role through NZ On Air
  Public Interest Journalism
  
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  March 13, 2023 8:26am
- Taieri
  
  This is getting ridiculous that one section of our society has to be pandered to in this way
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  This blog should be reported to Meng Foon for not starting everyday with karakia…
  
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  March 13, 2023 8:27am
- Tomtoddy
  
  Is there anything worse than a sickly white, virtue-signalling, “I’m-more-important-than-you”, conceited, sycophant?
  
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  March 13, 2023 8:30am
- Clyde
  
  I recall reading a DoC interpretation board on Soames Island that said that maori had been on the island for 2000 years. Utter and complete crap of course. NZ history is being changed under our noses because of public funded liars. The East Polynesians were tribal based plunderers without a written language who indulged in cannabalism, infanticide and who destroyed almost all the flora and fauna of ever place they ever went to. No matter how much lipstick you put on it – those are the facts. Anyone want to argue?
  
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  March 13, 2023 8:32am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nanaia Mahuta and Willie Jackson will be along soon, to have a chat and re-educate you.
    
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    March 13, 2023 8:50am
    - Alex
      
      Steve re your comment to Alex yesterday, referring to can’t reply to general debate without David’s articles coming up first did manage to go straight to reply today.
      
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      March 13, 2023 9:14am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Still not following that. I must be thick or dumb, or both.
        ‘straight to reply today?’
        Probably something simple. Please explain so I can understand.
        
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        March 13, 2023 10:24am
      - Alex
        
        Okay Steve I will try.
        On general debate on side bar,
        You can’t go straight to it,
        You have to read Davids articles first.
        Which takes time.
        On BFD it’s straight to it.
        
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        March 13, 2023 11:18am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Alex, I think I know what you are meaning. I have no sidebar. I log in with WordPress and it goes straight to the first Kiwiblog page of the day.
        But sorry no sidebar.
        
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        March 13, 2023 12:18pm
    - leoj
      
      ….with Luxon standing by with his climate change reading list.
      
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      March 13, 2023 11:13am
    - Clyde
      
      I will be looking forward to their visit – won’t be me getting reeducated.
      
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      March 13, 2023 12:56pm
  - Black with a Vengeance
    
    The East Polynesians were tribal based plunderers without a written language who indulged in cannabalism, infanticide and who destroyed almost all the flora and fauna of ever place they ever went to. No matter how much lipstick you put on it – those are the facts. Anyone want to argue?
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    WERE is the key word there.
    
    East Polynesians haven’t been doing any of that for a good couple of centuries.
    
    Now let’s talk about what East Europeans are STILL doing ?
    
    It always surprises me how much one can get away with denigrating Pasifikan peoples but if one were to replace the word Maori with say Jew…oh the furore!
    
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    March 13, 2023 12:19pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Mostly a reaction to the outright lies told by woke history re-writers BWAV.
      
      Most people don’t give a flying F about this ancient history stuff as they are too busy living with the pressing and real issues in the present modern world world we were all born into.
      
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      March 13, 2023 1:00pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “Maybe just a sit down and korero with a wise old Kuia or Kaumatua at the local Marae.”
        
        And if we’re not interested in that?
        
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        March 13, 2023 5:07pm
    - Clyde
      
      What you don’t get is that ALL of the history of these primitive peoples is being sanitised under your blinkered eyes. Have you EVER heard any acknowledgement of the Musket Wars, the horrific tribal warfare, the destruction of the flora and fauna. I’m in the side where unless acceptance of the truth is acknowledged then I’m not going to play their stupid racist games of rewriting history.
      
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      March 13, 2023 1:00pm
      - Black with a Vengeance
        
        I’m in the side where unless acceptance of the truth is acknowledged then I’m not going to play their stupid racist games of rewriting history.
        ___________________
        
        History as written by whom and accepted by you as truth and taught as such ?
        
        You need some serious de-colonizing and re-educating.
        
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        March 13, 2023 1:33pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        BWAV: “You need some serious de-colonizing and re-educating.”
        
        Re-education camps?
        
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        March 13, 2023 1:58pm
      - Black with a Vengeance
        
        Maybe just a sit down and korero with a wise old Kuia or Kaumatua at the local Marae.
        
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        March 13, 2023 3:09pm
- stinkypete
  
  Contained this gem
  
  ‘ We know about kaitangata, that there was eating of other people, but we don’t talk about cannibalism. It makes it really primitive and removed from context.‘
  
  I snorted my coffee
  
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  March 13, 2023 8:35am
  - Gravelroad
    
    I think it is insulting to Maori that some earnest white lady feels the need to rewrite their history to make it more acceptable.
    It is their story
    
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    March 13, 2023 8:48am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It is primitive, and that is the way it was. I does not make todays’ Maori primitive. Why try and cover it up?
    
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    March 13, 2023 8:53am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    “It makes it really primitive..”
    
    It looks like a classic example of the dictionary definition:
    
    “Primitive means belonging to a society in which people live in a very simple way, usually without industries or a writing system.”
    
    https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/primitive#:~:text=adjective,barbaric%20More%20Synonyms%20of%20primitive
    
    By today’s standards there is no way to sugar coat cannibalism and slavery. Let’s think of a way to describe it… yes “primitive” 🙂
    
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    March 13, 2023 9:35am
    - stewmar
      
      definition:
      
      “Primitive means belonging to a society in which people live in a very simple way, usually without industries or a writing system.”
      
      I think this definition sums up how most Māori live today, no industry and can’t write (or read).
      
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      March 13, 2023 10:11am
      - Black with a Vengeance
        
        I think this definition sums up how most Māori live today, no industry and can’t write (or read).
        __________________
        
        I think your thoughts speak more to how ignorant and backwards most right wing commentators are.
        
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        March 13, 2023 1:36pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Now you done gone and hurt that Quin sheila’s feelings.
      
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      March 13, 2023 10:28am
- Nickc2
  
  If you think that’s bad, take a walk through any of our Hospitals. You’ll need a Te Reo interpreter who knows all the newly invented names for Hospital Departments.
  
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  March 13, 2023 8:37am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nick, you just created a whole lot of Public Sector Jobs.
    Don’t be surprised if it does happen under what is left of this pathetic Govt.
    
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    March 13, 2023 8:44am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “You’ll need a Te Reo interpreter who knows all the newly invented names for Hospital Departments.”
    
    Here’s a question.
    We know the function of bilingual signage is to inform people who do not speak the language of the majority.
    
    For example, on the trains and train stations in Tokyo you will have signage in Japanese, with smaller text in English, Chinese and Korean. This is for people who can not read Japanese.
    
    In New Zealand, do we have any monolingual speakers of Te Reo? I assume that all people who claim to speak Te Reo are also native speakers of English.
    
    Why then the need for bilingual Te Reo/English signage?
    
    Wouldn’t it be more functional to have English/Chinese/Hindi signage in hospitals in Auckland?
    
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    March 13, 2023 11:20am
    - thirteenstars
      
      “You’ll need a Te Reo interpreter ”
      
      Several thousand jobs exist in NZ involving tens of millions of dollars for such reasons.
      
      But it’s all work, right? And how can gainful employment be wrong?
      
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      March 13, 2023 7:20pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Not really sure what this Quin sheila is on about.
  Does she want the truth buried, and wrap everything in cotton wool. People like Quin are the reason why free speech can be banned in the future. Get out of our lives Woman! Maori were not the only cannibals in the World.
  Tourists should be told the truth.
  
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  March 13, 2023 8:42am
- backster
  
  If that woman has a law degree she stands a good chance of being made a District Court Judge, otherwise maybe the Waitangi Tribunal.
  
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  March 13, 2023 8:56am
- Simon
  
  Venezuela levels of hatred & division of society driven by Marxists in govt.
  
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  March 13, 2023 9:02am
  - Alex
    
    Some want this here Smon and are achieving some success,
    
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    March 13, 2023 11:20am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The woman is concerned about the term “tomahawk”.
  
  Perhaps she needs to take up her concern with the Marlborough Museum
  
  https://virtualexhibit.marlboroughmuseum.org.nz/mhs/vewebsite32/exhibit4/e40001a.html
  
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  March 13, 2023 9:08am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Good news for petrolheads. The German and Italian Governments have refused to sign up to to the EUs ban on manufacturing ICE vehicles from 2035. Porsche wants to keeping putting ICE’s in its 911 and Ferrari in some of its models. Under EU rules unless all countries sign up to the ban then it doesnt apply.
  The Climate Change Cult (CCC) is starting to unravel as Governments realise interest groups and their citizens would much rather keep the lights on and keep warm.
  
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  March 13, 2023 9:09am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    Why not let markets, driven by consumer preferences, decide the types of cars for sale? It has worked OK for the last century. In countries where governments have decided what cars will be available it did not work out too well. See East Germany as an example.
    
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    March 13, 2023 9:40am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Widogast,
      
      As you well know the whole point of government is to provide limits to markets for all sorts of things. Safety, environment, monopolies, etc.
      So if there is an agreement/consensus to reduce greenhouse gases, that has to be reflected in public policy. In short, a legislatively mandated shift away from transport that emit greenhouses gases.
      
      Unless, as your post seems to indicate, you don’t think there is a problem with greenhouse gases. I had thought you had not actually joined the ranks of climate change deniers. Clearly I was wrong.
      
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      March 13, 2023 11:55am
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        Wayne Mapp, I have advised the New Zealand and Australian Governments on climate change policy for more than a decade. I have also advised emitters with obligations under the ETS.
        
        I am not going to be lectured on climate change policies. I have devoted 20 years to formulating them. I am simply stating what any economist will tell you. The “clean car policy” is an absurdity. However you think you are right about everything so I am wasting my breath.
        
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        March 13, 2023 12:57pm
      - coge
        
        Wayne, remember Bill Shorten losing the unlosable election in 2019? When Labor was ahead in some 30-40 polls on the trot. Then Shorten put his foot in it a few short weeks prior, when he said on nationwide TV “This election is all about climate change” Even I was shocked at that result!
        
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        March 13, 2023 1:07pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Wayne how much of a “problem” greenhouse gases are is THE question.
        
        This is the “climate sensitivity” question (how sensitive the climate is to increasing human induced Co2 in the atmosphere).
        
        135+ Papers Find Extremely Low CO2 Climate Sensitivity:
        
        https://notrickszone.com/50-papers-low-sensitivity/
        
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        March 13, 2023 2:04pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        Anyone who uses the term climate denier shows the know nothing about either science or “the science”. They only know politics. That’s you, Wayne.
        
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        March 13, 2023 6:01pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Alan
        I use the term deliberately. Most people who comment here think climate variability is simply a result of natural cycles or alternatively is not happening at all. Certainly nothing that humans have contributed to.
        That is contrary to the vast bulk of the science in this area (which I have studied a lot over the years).
        Hence my use of the term.
        Now I know that the commenters here think virtually all climate scientists are charlatans, and not actually scientists at all. It’s a free country, you can think whatever you please. But don’t expect it to go unchallenged, at least from time to time.
        There is a whole bunch of things I don’t comment on, Covid for instance. It would be an utter waste of time. As you will recall there used to be a debate on Covid, but we have all concluded there is no point. Clan, Krazy and others have their safe space here.
        But not yet completely on climate science, though it is probably heading that way on KB. It certainly has on No Minister.
        
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        March 13, 2023 7:46pm
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        Wayne Mapp says:
        
        “Now I know that the commenters here think virtually all climate scientists are charlatans,…”
        
        Not me. Yet you ridicule my comments.
        
        For 20 years I have maintained that emissions mitigation is essential. However the policies that Wayne Mapp advocates are economic vandalism.
        
        Of course Wayne thinks he is is right about everything. Debate over.
        
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        March 13, 2023 8:09pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        @Wayne, nobody denies climate change. That’s an idiotic label promoted by idiots. It doesn’t do your credibility any good to join them.
        
        Likewise no-one sensible denies CO2 is probably helping the planet to warm. The issues are how much, does it matter, what can be done about it, what should be done about it and by whom? None of that is settled – science, economics or politics.
        
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        March 13, 2023 8:16pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Alan
        Well, it is a term that has been used by Chris Luxon in his role as Leader of a major political party. No matter what you think of him, he is hardly an idiot.
        Widogast,
        No, you are no a climate denier, which is why your comment surprised me. I can’t see that normal market forces will be enough to create change. Though I presume you actually mean the ETS should be the only mechanism. As we have discussed previously the carbon price would have to quadruple for the ETS component of petrol to be $1. That is too much in the current circumstances. So other policies are necessary. As you know I support the clean car incentive and I think National is wrong to oppose it.
        
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        March 13, 2023 10:30pm
  - House
    
    Honda have also decided to keep making ICE to at least 2060.
    There is not enough copper or lithium on the planet to replace every ICE powered vehicle once.
    
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    March 13, 2023 12:08pm
    - Chris Nisbet
      
      I think the people pushing net zero destruction realise this. Which tells me that they really don’t want people freely travelling about when/where they want.
      They are not our friends.
      
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      March 13, 2023 6:16pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Let’s vote the we bastards out
  
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  March 13, 2023 10:04am
- Libertarians are right
  
  The thing is her talks of “Colonialism” are irrelevant in this context because these things happening had nothing to do with White people victimising Maori.
  
  In fact, one could argue that “colonialism” should be looked at in the context of these actions.
  
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  March 13, 2023 10:41am
Yabster

bloody Teachers- can jam their pay rises where the sun doesn’t shine- this is what they are teaching our primarily school children..

https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/03/11/they-are-lying-to-our-children/
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March 13, 2023 8:11am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Julian Batchelor posted that video on the Stop Co-Governance website.
  It is full of lies.
  One New Zealand Foundation Inc. One New Zealand Foundation Inc. on March 12, 2023 at 3:14 am
  I have just listened to the young Maori girl and boy talking about the Treaty on the video above. It is so sad when their parents are allowing them to be brinwashed in this way.
  
  Just think how this will effect this young girl and boy when they learn the truth, and they will.
  
  All they have to do is read Sir Apirana Ngata’s book, “The Treaty of Waitangi – An Explanation” and they will see they have been lied to by people who deep down know the truth, but use children to do their dirty work. Shame on them!
  
  This is blantant abuse of children and hopefully, many of you will report it to the authorities.
  
  We cannot allow children to be abused in this way, so please do something about it, NOW!
  
  https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/hard-proof-that-ordinary-maori-are-just-pawns-to-be-played-with-in-the-elite-maori-takeover-of-new-zealand/
  
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  March 13, 2023 9:04am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  Here is an idea. Link teacher pay to the measured education achievement of New Zealand children in science, maths, and reading comprehension.
  
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  March 13, 2023 9:42am
  - leoj
    
    …or another idea:
    Scrap the education dept and turn it over to private enterprise.
    On merit, the best teachers will be revealed and paid more while the kids would actually learn something.
    
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    March 13, 2023 11:20am
- Lance
  
  Oh but they are on wages so low they cannot afford a house.
  I mean $85K is not a livable wage
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/131471981/insurance-a-luxury-that-may-have-to-go-teacher-at-top-of-pay-scale-says
  
  Reading the article reveals they bought an expensive house (doesn’t say how much) and now hubby doesn’t have a job and so they are going backwards financially. No shit Sherlock!
  Welcome to the real world and how the rest of us live. On that basis $160K would barely cover the bills.
  
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  March 13, 2023 10:27am
  - SoloView
    
    @ Lance
    Where does the article say or imply that the house was expensive?
    
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    March 13, 2023 1:16pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

‘There are fears a global rise in queer-phobic rhetoric is driving a new wave of hate towards New Zealand’s rainbow community’

– NZH (13 Mar. 2023)

Maybe someone like Labor’s Finance Minister should take the Green’s coalition ‘Member-for-Tijuana’ aside and have a quiet word.
About his tee shirt for a start 🙁

https://twitter.com/ohana_tawagoto/status/1631857283071356929
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- Taieri
  
  ‘There are fears a global rise in queer-phobic rhetoric is driving a new wave of hate towards New Zealand’s rainbow community’
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  There’re already many signs of hate visible everyday and everywhere – not a single rainbow crossing in my street and no rainbow flag on the council’s buildings.
  
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  March 13, 2023 8:22am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Hipkins is going to wave a magic wand and HIV will be gone from our shores by 2030, Grrrr tell snout getting the priorities sorted
    
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    March 13, 2023 10:14am
    - Matt Long
      
      2023 Hipkins to eradicate AIDS
      2024 Record number of HIV infections and AIDS drugs no long available in New Zealand after unprecedented 2023 infection rates.
      MSM; 9 years of neglect caused rainbow community untold suffering.
      
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      March 13, 2023 12:05pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Sounds about right, given their track performance thus far.
        
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        March 13, 2023 2:30pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Just like Ardern he waffles off balderdash, how the hell would he do that FFS, it wont be done in this bloody health system for a start, unless they are getting their peckers cut off
        
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        March 13, 2023 3:04pm
- alloytoo
  
  Using the words ” phobic” “Nazi” “alt-right” & “cis” as a metric, I would say there has been an observable increase in hatred for average folks from self identified lunatic fringes.
  
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  March 13, 2023 8:51am
- My
  
  How did our once great little country come to the place where we pay Ricardo Menéndez March a salary?
  
  If there is ever an argument to ditch MMP, this is it.
  
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  March 13, 2023 9:20am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YIP! If ever there was an argument whether our nurses and teachers deserve to be payed more…. this useless arsehat is it!
    
    Tell me one reason why taxpayers should be funding HIS/THEY/THEM lifestyle to the extent of $4k a week??
    
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    March 13, 2023 10:14am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Heard Veral on tv yesterday morning saying thry have magically given our nurses the same pay as Aussie nurses, how the hell can they be when my cousins wife went to Queensland and went straight into 250 k a year plus extras like super scheme travel to snd from NZ, I admit she has a matrons badge but there is no way the top nurse in this country gets anything like this, why can these criminals simply lie up us, this use to be a sackable offence
      
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      March 13, 2023 10:19am
      - Taieri
        
        my cousins wife went to Queensland and went straight into 250 k a year plus extras like super scheme travel to snd from NZ
        ————
        
        Settle down a bit, will you?
        
        Salaries of Australian nurses:
        
        Classification Hourly Annual
        Clinical Nurse or Midwife $60.11 $96,909
        Nurse Practitioner $83.11 $136,844
        Director of Nursing $97.09 $156,525
        Executive Director of Nursing $139.10 $224,271
        
        https://www.medshop.com.au/pages/nursing-salary-guide
        
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        March 13, 2023 10:36am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Taieri, she went to run the whole nursing unit, I did say she had a matron ticket, and she did go to earn 250
        
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        March 13, 2023 11:54am
  - Taieri
    
    How did our once great little country come to the place where we pay Ricardo Menéndez March a salary?
    —————–
    
    Are you insinuating that Ricardo M-M should not be paid for doing his job? How is he going to survive without an adequate salary in this cruel world where homopohobia, transphobia, biphobia, racism and white supremacy are everyday occurrences? We are privileged indeed that people of Ricardo’s calibre commit their lives to the never ceasing struggle to make the world more inclusive and diverse. Ricardo’s remarkable achievements are simply too numerous to list here. He is a hero, who should be celebrated in the way he deserves.
    
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    March 13, 2023 10:32am
    - leoj
      
      You omitted the “// “
      
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      March 13, 2023 11:23am
      - Taieri
        
        You omitted the “// “
        ————-
        
        Never use it.
        
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        March 13, 2023 12:17pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        Not even a Green’s sycophant would be expecting //
        
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        March 13, 2023 7:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Just saw an item where Chris Luxon giving Hipkins some stick about crime and re-offending.
Here is one thing I never knew. In 2022 there were 292 retail crime incidents every day. Every DAY!! ffs.
Time for Hipkins, Allan, Williams, Sepuloni, Jackson, and the woke Coster to be stuck in a room and told “fix this and don’t come out until you have.
292, unbelievable.
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March 13, 2023 8:16am
- Matt Long
  
  292 recorded retail crime incidents.
  
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  March 13, 2023 8:34am
- cmm
  
  292? Naah, that’s just what get reported.
  
  Considering this covers a broad spectrum of offending from shop lifting to ram raiding, 292 is an extremely low number.
  
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  March 13, 2023 8:34am
  - Matt Long
    
    I avoided reported as I’m not sure all crime reported by victims makes it into the official figures.
    
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    March 13, 2023 9:48am
    - Beach Haven expat
      
      Indeed. Remember the whole reason Hipkins “didn’t know” about the roadworkers and the gun was because it was “wrongly” recorded so no one in police hierarchy knew anything about it. Apparently. Because people being threatened at gunpoint is exactly the type of common occurrence that is easy to overlook and file incorrectly. Probably.
      
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      March 13, 2023 6:30pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Looks like the policing policy is on its way, Mitchell on with Hosking this morning saying the same, while Hipkins lies and says crime is down, grrrrr
  
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  March 13, 2023 10:20am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yes, reported. Unreported could be double that.
  How did NZ get to this stage?
  
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  March 13, 2023 10:40am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Exactly, if crime does not get reported then it does not count, just like the crimes of the HB floods by scrupulous lefties, no phone of intenet for a week, so not many complaints, and this weasel PM argued over that very fact, but if they can contact police, then they can’t make a complaint.
    
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    March 13, 2023 3:09pm
- House
  
  I reported this stat to someone working retail in Dunedin and she said that the place she works would have a chunk of that number itself so yes, it is the reported vs. actual number that means a lot more retail crime is happening every day.
  
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  March 13, 2023 12:15pm
kowtow

Last week;

“Bastard Ozzie banks”

This week ;

“Thank goodness for our strong banking setup”

Only in New Zealand.
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March 13, 2023 8:18am
- Simon
  
  Yep that [Mod – deleted] Nicola Willis wanted to have the banks investigated for having strong balance sheets.
  
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  March 13, 2023 9:07am
  - Lance
    
    Or it might have escaped your imagination that was a ploy to head Labour off at the pass, there is no way a select committee would find a 10% return on investment ‘excessive profits’ and the matter would be consigned to the round filing cabinet.
    
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    March 13, 2023 10:31am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      And Act were right behind it
      
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      March 13, 2023 10:41am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Nothing yo do with the balance sheets, it’s about price gauging
    
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    March 13, 2023 10:39am
    - kowtow
      
      If we could gauge prices then we’d have a better idea of the gouging…..
      
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      March 13, 2023 2:13pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    [Deleted – if you can’t have the courtesy to even read your own posts, don’t bother us. mod.]
    
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    March 13, 2023 10:40am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Just like the banks to arrange for one of their number to take a fall on behalf of the rest.
  
  Damn those banks!
  
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  March 13, 2023 7:02pm
kevn

@SteveO… Put them all on a solo 12 hour shift at a corner dairy. In Auckland.
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March 13, 2023 8:18am
Yabster

Everyone up with the racist RMA replacement?
From the Taxpayers union:
ocal control will be lost: Instead of elected decision makers, town, city and environmental planning will handed to co-governed Regional Planning Committees before the end of this year
If you thought dealing with silly rules from your local council was bad, wait until it’s a co-governed Regional Planning Committee that voters cannot sack making the rules. David Parker wants to take responsibility for planning rules away from our 67 democratically elected local councils and hand it to 15 new co-governed ‘Regional Planning Committees’.

That’s right: First your council lost its responsibility for water asset management, and now it’s losing responsibility for planning. At this rate your Mayor will be responsible for little more than the library collection and the annual Christmas parade!

I have donated a few $

https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/donate_rma?
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March 13, 2023 8:19am
- Nickc2
  
  I’m appalled that David Parker could give breath to this blatant grab for Labour control of everything.
  However, I doubt it will come to fruition during this Govt’s term of office.
  Where’s our MSM on this? Oh, that’s right, they’re too busy penning articles in favour of the Alphabet people.
  
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  March 13, 2023 9:09am
  - Matt Long
    
    Yes it will have to be the next government that has to bed it in, like the RMA.
    
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    March 13, 2023 9:49am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This morning the speaker of the house had the idiot box on, and I swear I woke up in Aotearoa. A whole lot of mumbo jumbo that most Kiwis do not understand, or want to.
I went to the lounge.
I want my lovely New Zealand back. Sick of the rubbish!
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March 13, 2023 8:19am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Just reading more rubbish. It’s going to be one of those days.
Sologamy. How mentally ill can one get? Imagine having an argument with yourself.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/why-these-women-are-marrying-themselves/ss-AA14xfvI
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March 13, 2023 8:26am
- alloytoo
  
  “INCEL” by any other name.
  
  Seems to me that “INCEL” was intended to mock men on line, but many of the mockers seem to meet the definition themselves.
  
  “Asexual”, “Non-Binary”….seem to be another way of saying “I’m not getting laid”.
  
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  March 13, 2023 9:18am
- zubrick
  
  imagine the honeymoon!!!!
  
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  March 13, 2023 9:21am
- Ghost
  
  If it makes them happy whats the problem Steve?
  
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  March 13, 2023 9:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I just see it as a mental problem.
    
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    March 13, 2023 10:43am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Problem is when the tail wags the dog. Democracy is a majority led system. Sometimes you have to fit in with the what the majority want. You get a fair amount of freedom to do what you like in the privacy of your own home as well (between consenting adults).
    
    Yes, live and let live, within reason.
    
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    March 13, 2023 3:57pm
    - Ghost
      
      As long as it is legal and it makes them happy then good on them if it makes them happy
      
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      March 13, 2023 4:14pm
- tf78
  
  I read one of those “influencers” wanted to divorce herself within 24 hours. She obviously just wanted to dress up.
  
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  March 13, 2023 7:34pm
Taieri

Imagine having an argument with yourself.
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Why not? It’s great to have an argument with an intelligent person.
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March 13, 2023 8:29am
- Ghost
  
  Unless you lose the argument with yourself.
  
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  March 13, 2023 8:42am
- greybeard
  
  I talk to myself all the time.
  But I never listen.
  
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  March 13, 2023 8:47am
- alloytoo
  
  Surrounding yourself with “Yes” men.
  
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  March 13, 2023 9:19am
Maggie Pie

NZH (paywalled 11 March 2023)

“If you send me back I will die”

– Dong Luobin (Chinese defector from Auckland PRC Consulate)

‘Dong told the Weekend Herald that Consulate staff looked down on New Zealand and recalled one saying “New Zealand is only a small country, as long as we keep giving them money, there are many things they can help us do”. China uses soft-power all over the world. It slowly corrupts. Once you realise it’s too late, Dong said’.

Hmmm….
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March 13, 2023 8:34am
Maggy Wassilieff

Thankyou Jacinda.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/03/some-children-born-overseas-while-border-shut-don-t-have-same-legal-claim-to-be-kiwi-as-those-born-here.html

When Labour MPs and Ministers had no idea of the legal consequences for NZ Citizens shut-out of returning to NZ, then you really must wonder how much they comprehend about anything.

Barbara Edmonds, the new Internal Affairs Minister, wasn’t aware of the issue until told by Newshub.
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March 13, 2023 8:37am
- Ghost
  
  I call bullshit of not knowing, the government has known since last year this lawsuit was coming
  
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  March 13, 2023 8:41am
  - Random T Person
    
    Never underestimate the incompetence of these people.
    
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    March 13, 2023 9:11am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “not something I would necessarily be aware of”.
    She chaired the meeting.
    “not something I would necessarily be aware of”.
    Seems what Jaspinda said is a Labour ‘catchphrase”
    
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    March 13, 2023 11:04am
- Taieri
  
  “(…)Lawyer Tudor Clee has clients who were forced to have children overseas
  
  “Every single child forced to be born overseas now has a lesser level of citizenship than if they’d been born in New Zealand,” said Clee.(…)”
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  What is this “lesser level” of citizenship this Clee character is talking about? A citizenship is a citizenship. There’re no different levels, one is either a citizen or not a citizen. A child born to NZ citizen has every right to the citizenship of his/her parents regardless of the place of birth.
  
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  March 13, 2023 9:04am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Read the article..
    
    New Zealand has three levels of citizenship which determine whether your child can inherit it.
    
    The problem lies with the status of the grandchildren.
    
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    March 13, 2023 9:50am
    - Taieri
      
      The problem lies with the status of the grandchildren.
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      If the grandchildren of NZ citizens have no other connection to this country why should they be entitled to its citizenship?
      
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      March 13, 2023 10:40am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        That’s not the issue…
        The problem is with the descendants of a child that was prevented from having NZ citizenship by birth because its pregnant NZ mother was denied entry to the country by the Labour Government.
        
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        March 13, 2023 10:53am
  - cmm
    
    Not really.
    If you have a dual citizenship then there is potential for your second citizenship to be stripped.
    
    I am not sure what current NZ law is, but Australia will strip naughty people of Australian citizenship if they have another citizenship. I don’t think that applies to NZ, but a few law changes can make it the came.
    
    Also, if you are deported from a country then they can deport you to any country that you are a citizen of. You might not like to go to the country you are deported to.
    
    Same applies if you request services from an embassy. They might tell you to rather go to the other embassy.
    
    When I became an NZ citizen I made sure to scrape my South African citizenship off my boots. I have no intention of ever going back to South Africa and I would not want to be sent there.
    
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    March 13, 2023 9:53am
- alloytoo
  
  Ardern, creating second class citizens since 2017.
  
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  March 13, 2023 9:20am
- MCōs
  
  “Because the parents are only Kiwis by descent, their kids may not be Kiwis at all.”
  What does that mean?
  I have Kiwi friends in Thailand whose kids were born over there and they made sure they are NZ citizens. If they in turn have kids can they become NZ citizens?
  
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  March 13, 2023 9:44am
  - cmm
    
    I assume so, because the kids are NZ citizens.
    However if the kids did not secure their citizenship that they are entitled to then their kids cannot claim NZ citizenship.
    
    I fell in the same hole with Canadian citizenship.
    
    My grandmother was born in Canada. Up to some number of years ago any descendent of a Canadian citizen could claim Canadian citizenship. Then the law changed – only offspring.
    If my mother had claimed Canadian citizenship, then I would have been OK (I would have also been OK if I had claimed it myself about 10 years ago).
    
    If I had known this at at the time my life could have been radically different (eg. left South Africa at 18 and gone to Canada rather than have to go through military service etc).
    
    So the big takeaways are:
    1) The laws differ from country to country.
    2) Laws change, so don’t just set things up based on current assumptions.
    
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    March 13, 2023 10:00am
    - Taieri
      
      However if the kids did not secure their citizenship that they are entitled to then their kids cannot claim NZ citizenship.
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      Should they? If the parents do not see fit to secure their own citizenship, why should their kids be entitled to it?
      
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      March 13, 2023 10:43am
    - MCōs
      
      My mother was English
      I couldn’t obtain a UK passport
      If my father was, different story
      That was when I was in my early twenties. Might have been different if I was a baby, I don’t know.
      My mother obtained a NZ passport just by applying for it!! Even though she was an English immigrant. No citizenship application required.
      
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      March 13, 2023 10:51am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        MCos – could you be the child of an overstayer?
        
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        March 13, 2023 6:16pm
      - Mike
        
        ‘Overstayers’ only became a thing when NZ wanted to get rid of Pacific islanders as unemployment rose in the 1970s.
        
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        March 13, 2023 6:25pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Well generally they have limited real world experience and very limited and narrow educational achievement.
  
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  March 13, 2023 4:00pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  This is a non story. Unless the law has changed recently, on their return the parents simply have to upgrade their children’s citizenship from by descent to by residence. So long as the kids are under 16, there’s a form to fill & a fee to pay (of course, this in NZ). Over 16, it’s a bit tougher, the kids have to demonstrate a commitment to NZ – but it’s not that tough.
  
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  March 13, 2023 7:11pm
Maggie Pie

With the election only 6 months away, shows just how desperate Chippy has become for votes 😀

https://twitter.com/PatriotNz2022/status/1634779006603239424
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March 13, 2023 8:44am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… hipkins is just for sale.
  
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  March 13, 2023 9:06am
- igm
  
  How many million dollars did he give to weirdos for their sequel diseases?
  
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  March 13, 2023 9:15am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    We might have to pay a blurter tax 😃👍🏻😂
    
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    March 13, 2023 10:44am
- alloytoo
  
  Socialists, the end always justifies the means.
  
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  March 13, 2023 9:21am
  - Inandout
    
    alloy, in this situation we could take that comment two ways.
    
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    March 13, 2023 10:33am
Maggy Wassilieff

An important paper detailing the susceptibility of harvested and young pine stands to landslips in the Gisborne District has just been published.

https://doi.org/10.33494/nzjfs532023x216x

The paper mentions how the exotic forests originally planted for soil protection/erosion control were later
classified as production-protection forest…and the inevitable occurred.

With increasing economic potential, the earliest of the “protection forests” were later reclassified as “protection-production forests”, raising concerns over the probability that their harvesting would reactivate erosion
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March 13, 2023 8:51am
- Chuck Bird
  
  What was Luxon wearing?
  
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  March 13, 2023 10:59am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He doesn’t do the dress up like Ardern and Hipkins, Hipkins was wearing a Tee shirt with gay on it FFS
    
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    March 13, 2023 3:12pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Native tree forest for timber is the way to go. It stops the flooding and cleans up the streams that go through the forest.
  
  https://www.tanestrees.org.nz/
  
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  March 13, 2023 11:02am
  - Colville
    
    It does have the small drawback of zero cashflow ever.
    
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    March 13, 2023 2:05pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      A small cash flow that will slowly increase as more native timber is milled.
      
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      March 13, 2023 2:56pm
103PapPap

Noticed on 3 News Sunday the PM and his backers wearing the gay T shirts, except Willie Jackson in the background wearing a plain white golf shirt.
Doesn’t Willie really support big day pot for gays?
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March 13, 2023 9:13am
- All_on_Red
  
  “plain white golf shirt”
  Willie was showing solidarity to that threatened Minority – Older heterosexual white multi-millionaires!
  We are only 1%!
  
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  March 13, 2023 10:08am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He is a hater
  
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  March 13, 2023 10:48am
- OlderChas
  
  IMHO the pollies that don such apparel are demeaning themselves and their office hugely. And the queer community are quietly laughing hysterically at their ‘control’ over said pollies.
  
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  March 13, 2023 10:53am
sirknz

Why do the people advocating for this stuff always look like the sandals and socks brigade?

https://archive.fo/F41Sx [Stuff opinion piece]

Advocating for everyone to be using electric rail.
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March 13, 2023 9:14am
Maggie Pie

“New Zealand is a safer place because of the gun buy-back”

– PM Jacinda Ardern.
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March 13, 2023 9:14am
- Matt Long
  
  New Zealand is a safer place because ex Prime Minister Ardern.
  
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  March 13, 2023 9:20am
- Matt Long
  
  Here’s proof of all that safety.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/assistant-commissioner-of-police-sam-hoyle-confirms-pukekohe-incident-involved-black-power-gang-members/K5RGLLVAYBANPPZ4BDFUYIWMMI/
  Oh look, it’s those nice young men who belong to clubs again.
  
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  March 13, 2023 9:52am
  - David Garrett
    
    Matt: There should be a standard policy at all hospitals: No treatment for injured gang members…and the ambos should leave the bastards where they fall.
    
    They want to be outlaws and loudly proclaim themselves as such, let them be treated like the outlaws they want to be.
    
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    March 13, 2023 10:15am
  - NothingLeft
    
    Belonging to a gang is in effect taking up arms against NZ society. We should treat them as enemy combatants. Outlaw gangs and from that point on anyone who associates with them gets put permanently in a prison camp. Auction citizenship for them to 3rd world countries prepared to take them permanently.
    
    But whatever is done with them we simply can’t allow them to continue predating society the way they do. It’s too expensive and destructive. There is simply no upside to allowing it to continue.
    
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    March 13, 2023 2:19pm
Matt Long

Habitat for Humanity, a community based charity, where voulunteers provide labour and materials and recipients have to put their own labour into building their house. It was a terrific model.
Then what was this woman doing as CEO?
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/117826850/labour-elects-habitat-for-humanity-ceo-claire-szab-as-party-president
It appears Habitat for Humanity has changed to a government funded community housing provider.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/habitat-for-humanity-opens-community-housing-project-in-central-kerikeri/YDDIBAWMJBFTHPDUNKOMC274YU/
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March 13, 2023 9:18am
- Paulus
  
  Clair Szabo is no longer President of the Labour Party.
  She appears to be floating for a seat in the next Labour Party selection process.
  Thought once to be for Mt Albert but the party has made that electorate marginal with their appointment.
  Szabo will bubble up shortly. She was not President of the Labour Party for nothing.
  
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  March 13, 2023 10:33am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Watch for Welly Central
    
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    March 13, 2023 10:50am
  - Bobba Fret
    
    She is wanting Grant Robertson’s seat. I was just asking before if anyone knew if she got the nod?
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/former-president-claire-szabo-vs-sitting-mp-ibrahim-omer-in-race-to-replace-grant-robertson/IMHBA4I4VNEFJJ2YMAOZ7F5C6U/
    
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    March 13, 2023 12:21pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      There is also Rongatai
      
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      March 13, 2023 3:13pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Nope..
        
        Fleur Fitzsimons scored that one.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/131394029/fleur-fitzsimons-to-run-in-safe-labour-seat-of-rongotai
        
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        March 13, 2023 3:37pm
I remember when

Sale Raises Question: Letter to the Editor DomPost
Questions were asked about Nisa being listed as being for sale.
Nisa NZ – is according to advertising Underwear with a Conscience.
It was noted that Nisa was established six years ago with a city council grant of $7000, and then a crowdfunding campaign campaign which raised $20,000.
Operating as a social enterprise attracts customers who like the social and economic approach of such an enterprise.
Does it mean that a different approach is expected if or when such an enterprise is sold.
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March 13, 2023 9:30am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Will the Council get a return on its investment?
  
  Will it what!
  
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  March 13, 2023 7:15pm
Yvette

Jacinda Ardern (PBUH) declared there would be a nation-wide “conversation” on “co-governance”, 29 March 2022, so nearly a year ago –

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has confirmed that public consultation on co-governance with Māori will begin later in 2022
“Phase one of consultation is going out to all New Zealanders and that’ll be happening over the course of this year,” Ardern said on Tuesday.
Her comments followed ACT leader David Seymour’s announcement last week that a referendum on Māori co-governance, which he likened to an “unequal society”, was a bottom line for any coalition negotiations in 2023.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-confirms-public-consultation-on-m-ori-co-governance-will-happen-in-2022.html

But she failed to add:
– because “co-governance” and a bewildering unbridled new device, available to Maori only, “Mana o te Wai” Statements are intrinsically entrenched in the Three Waters legislation we will enact by the end of the year, and so we need to have the nation-wide “conversation” on so-called “co-governance” by then !

And the legislation happened, but the conversation didn’t
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March 13, 2023 9:32am
- Taieri
  
  And the legislation happened, but the conversation didn’t
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  It did. It was one sided conversation.
  
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  March 13, 2023 10:47am
- Alex
  
  Another lie from Labour Yvette.
  No Conversations, only underhand moves by Sage and Mahuta.
  Maori Advisory Board consisting only of Maori will direct 4=water entities.
  
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  March 13, 2023 12:53pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/boom-kerikeri-was-our-biggest-and-best-yet/

“That is to say that we are Maori bashers, white extremists, colonialists, Treaty trashers, racists, and so on. There can be no doubt, now from my experience, that the media are on the side of the Iwi elite, those trying to take over the country. They have been paid to be supportive.”
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March 13, 2023 9:37am
cmm

So front-bencher Poto WIlliam’s Christchurch East seat is going to be picked up by back-bencher Reuben Davidson.

Oh dearie me. That means even more Labour front-benchers fighting over a dwindling list allocation.
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March 13, 2023 9:45am
103PapPap

Full page article in Saturday’s Dom Post/Christchurch Press on ‘The Captain Cook poem’.
Noticed they didn’t actually publish the poem for the readers to make up their own minds.
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March 13, 2023 9:45am
- Jack5
  
  Stuff is in the Woke-ethnonationalist “tent”.
  
  103PapPap, do you have a link online where people can read the doggerel – it’s rat shit as a poem or as rap?
  
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  March 13, 2023 10:27am
  - Jack5
    
    If Banjo Patterson were around now and could find a non-Left outlet …
    
    There was movement in the party, for the word was passed around
    that the dream of old Labour had died away,
    folk must now be wild Woke nutters ..
    
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    March 13, 2023 10:44am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Here’s the Poem:
    
    250th anniversary of James Cook’s arrival in New Zealand
    
    Hey James,
    yeah, you
    in the white wig
    in that big Endeavour
    sailing the blue, blue water
    like a big arsehole
    F… YOU, BITCH.
    
    James,
    I heard someone
    shoved a knife
    right up
    into the gap between
    your white ribs
    at Kealakekua Bay.
    I’m gonna go there
    make a big Makahiki luau
    cook a white pig
    feed it to the dogs
    and F… YOU UP, BITCH.
    
    Hey James,
    it’s us.
    These days
    we’re driving round
    in SUVs
    looking for ya
    or white men like you
    who might be thieves
    or rapists
    or kidnappers
    or murderers
    yeah, or any of your descendants
    or any of your incarnations
    cos, you know
    ay, bitch?
    We’re gonna F… YOU UP.
    
    Tonight, James,
    it’s me
    Lani, Danielle
    and a car full of brown girls
    we find you
    on the corner
    of the Justice Precinct.
    
    You’ve got another woman
    in a headlock
    and I’ve got my father’s
    pig-hunting knife
    in my fist
    and we’re coming to get you
    sailing round
    in your Resolution
    your Friendship
    your Discovery
    and your f…ing Freelove.
    
    Watch your ribs, James
    cos, I’m coming with
    Kalaniōpu‘u
    Kānekapōlei
    Kana‘ina
    Keawe‘ōpala
    Kūka‘ilimoku
    who is a god
    and Nua‘a
    who is king with a knife.
    
    And then
    James,
    then
    we’re gonna
    F….
    YOU.
    UP.
    FOR.
    GOOD.
    BITCH.
    
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/books/27-02-2023/how-to-read-a-poem
    
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    March 13, 2023 11:12am
    - Taieri
      
      https://thespinoff.co.nz/books/27-02-2023/how-to-read-a-poem
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      This article is a masterpiece in its own class. Are there any limits to derangement?…
      
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      March 13, 2023 11:23am
    - Swifty
      
      Oh my god, you’ve just made me confront my racism and colonisation!!!!
      
      Or something.
      
      According to BWAV anyway.
      
      Funny, I don’t feel or think any different about colonisation or racism having read that – but I do feel the need to jump in the shower.
      
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      March 13, 2023 12:18pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Hard to tell which is a worse drivelling idiot – the author or the reviewer.
      
      I’ll plump for the reviewer as being less likely to have extenuating circumstances such as being beaten up by their own whanau – certainly not by Capt Cook or Whitey.
      
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      March 13, 2023 1:07pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      And we don’t already have a problem hate fueled racists (hint; NOT “white supremacists”) doing exactly what this “poet” suggests?
      
      Earth to Foon. Earth paging Mr Foon.
      
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      March 13, 2023 1:07pm
    - Jack5
      
      Hawaii, where Cook was killed, retains the Union Jack in corner of its state flag, formerly its national flag.
      
      This, says Wikipedia, “is a mark of the Royal Navy’s historical relations with the Hawaiian Kingdom, particularly with King Kamehameha I.”
      
      Bit colonial, eh?
      
      The scribbler of the rave we are discussing – Donna Tusiata Avia – in the 2020 Queen’s Birthday Honours, was made a Companion of the NZ Order of Merit for “services to poetry and the arts”.
      
      Avia didn’t turn down that colonial award.
      
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      March 13, 2023 1:55pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “Donna Tusiata Avia – in the 2020 Queen’s Birthday Honours, was made a Companion of the NZ Order of Merit for “services to poetry and the arts”.
        
        In a sane country she would be stripped of that award for her latest race baiting and racial violence inciting public “poem” on the taxpayer dime.
        
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        March 13, 2023 2:35pm
      - Taieri
        
        She was also made an Arts Foundation Laureate, receiving a NZ$25,000 award and recognition as one of New Zealand’s most outstanding artists.[26] The Arts Foundation described her poetry as “revolutionary” and said it “redefines the face of Pacific and New Zealand literature”
        
        In 2021, The Savage Coloniser Book won the Poetry Award at the Ockham New Zealand Book Awards.[27] She was the first Pasifika woman to win this award, and the collection was described by the judges as “a book bursting with alofa, profound pantoums, profanity and FafSwaggering stances, garrulously funny, bleakly satirical, magnificent”
        
        Wikipedia
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        Uffff!
        
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        March 13, 2023 2:48pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        I gave up on arty types decades ago. Kind of interesting and “colourful” (when you are young, dumb and naive) but way way too many are simply deeply irrational far-left posers.
        
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        March 13, 2023 3:29pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        profound pantoums
        
        Oh Grief…
        
        Cultural appropriation of a Malay verse form.
        
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        March 13, 2023 3:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Antifa members dressing up as Trump supporters Jan 6th 2021.
Tell me the Tramp Rally was not infiltrated now. The Media? Crickets.
https://spreely.video/v/1064656166/J6-Was-A-Set-Up-

If the video stalls and buffers set the quality down from 1080 to 480.
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March 13, 2023 9:56am
- Ignoranus
  
  Doesn’t matter what you call them Trump supported their insurrection.
  
  [Mod, cut out the abuse or I will ban both your accounts]
  
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  March 13, 2023 10:17am
  - Ignoranus
    
    Go ahead. I am sick of reading the abuse of decent people on this vile blog.
    
    [Mod – this and your Doc Holliday account are banned, do not open another one until the ban is over]
    
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    March 13, 2023 10:45am
    - Swifty
      
      “Vile blog…”
      
      Heh heh.
      
      I prefer the term robust.
      
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      March 13, 2023 1:29pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        We like the gentle banter !
        
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        March 13, 2023 3:14pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @ G the Giant.
        Gentle banter is fine, like Mike and MCos, even virtualmark, RichardX.
        Although some of them get a bit rattled now and again.
        So do I.
        
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        March 13, 2023 4:40pm
      - Mike
        
        You’re mostly right about that banter, Steve although sadly misled about many other things.
        
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        March 13, 2023 4:48pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    CNN told you that?
    Trump did not. He had previously tried to stop it by wanting 20 thousand, then 10 thousand National Guards troops. Pelosi stopped it – she knew.
    
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    March 13, 2023 11:08am
    - RichardX
      
      Several times you have been given sworn testimony that contradicts your claim.
      
      Please provide evidence of your claim that does not rely on “Its true because Trump says its true”
      
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      March 13, 2023 2:10pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Was that Testimony at the Show Trial? The sort of trial where theres no rebuttal which you fascists seem to like.
        ‘The former chief of U.S. Capitol Police says security officials at the House and Senate rebuffed his early requests to call in the National Guard ahead of a demonstration in support of President Trump’
        ‘Former Chief Sund contradicts claims made by officials after Wednesday’s assault on Capitol Hill. Sund’s superiors said previously that the National Guard and other additional security support could have been provided, but no one at the Capitol requested it.
        
        Sund told the Post that House Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving was concerned with the “optics” of declaring an emergency ahead of the protests and rejected a National Guard presence. He says Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Michael Stenger recommended that he informally request the Guard to be ready in case it was needed to maintain security.’
        Sund says he requested assistance six times ahead of and during the attack on the Capitol. Each of those requests was denied or delayed, he says.
        
        Washington, D.C., Mayor Muriel Bowser also wanted a light police presence at the Capitol. She reportedly wanted to avoid a similar scenario as last summer, when federal forces responded to demonstrators opposed to police abuses who assembled near the White House.’
        https://www.npr.org/2021/01/11/955548910/ex-capitol-police-chief-rebuffs-claims-national-guard-was-never-called-during-ri
        
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        March 13, 2023 2:48pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Um Richard, I can not improve on what All_on_Red has commented on.
        All on Red is way above what I read
        “Its true because Trump says its true” Oh boy. That is something my Grandson would say. Come on sonny, you can do better than insults.
        
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        March 13, 2023 4:47pm
      - RichardX
        
        Show me where that article states that Trump requested the troops.
        
        Steve has repeatedly stated it was Trump, not Steven Sund, who requested the National Guard.
        
        AOR’s comment and link does nothing to support Steve’s position.
        
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        March 13, 2023 7:27pm
      - Okahu
        
        [Mod – no need for personal attacks like that]
        
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        March 13, 2023 9:34pm
- virtualmark
  
  That’s a comedian, poking fun at Jan 6 supporters.
  
  Warning: Not a documentary.
  
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  March 13, 2023 10:21am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Still believe Trump is an Agent for Putin?
    Still laughing about that one!
    
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    March 13, 2023 2:50pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The obvious question is have any of them been charged?
  
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  March 13, 2023 1:02pm
- mawm
  
  Steve – this is an interesting read as to why there had to be a “riot”.
  https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/03/12/the-parliamentary-motive-behind-the-j6-fedsurrection/
  
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  March 13, 2023 6:52pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I will have a look at that blog, thanks.
    
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    March 14, 2023 8:46am
NoCash

What a weekend it has been, first the Iran Saudi Arabia normalisation deal, which could put pressure on the petrodollar, then bank runs in the US, plus China keeps offloading US treasury bonds and is unlikely to bailout the US this time if the SVB fallout spreads, unlike the last time in 2008. For better or worse, we are living in interesting times…
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March 13, 2023 9:58am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  If China, which has huge sums invested in US Treasury Bonds, keeps off loading them, then I think that will increase interest rates.
  If I am off target here please tell me.
  
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  March 13, 2023 10:40am
- krazykiwi
  
  I see that Rocket Lab is $US38m in the hole due to the SVB collapse.
  
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  March 13, 2023 1:30pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    US govt has moved to guarantee deposits in SVB.
    
    I understand SVB actually held more than enough mortgages and loans that they could sell to other banks etc to provide the necessary cash to pay out depositors not covered by govt loan insurance ($250k limit) – but it would take a few weeks to months to do so.
    
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    March 13, 2023 2:09pm
    - Jack5
      
      Guarantees of all deposits in Silicon Valley Bank have been announced jointly by the US Treasury Department, the Federal Reserve, and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation.
      
      The measures include guaranteeing all deposits of SVB. They were jointly announced on Sunday night (US time) by the Treasury Department, the Federal Reserve and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporaton.
      
      As well as SVB, regulators have taken control of the smaller Signature Bank, which had pushed its cryptocurrency business, with accounts and other services for cryptocurrency startups and for big investors in digital assets. This field helped it double deposits in two years, reports the Wall Street Journal.
      
      Regulators say that share holders and bondholders in SVB and Signature will not be protected.
      
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      March 13, 2023 3:17pm
    - NoCash
      
      SVB was spooked by the increasing treasury bond rates (not withstanding Peter Thiel triggered the run first), as it holds a large amount (required by banking regulations) of low yield US t-bonds that can’t be offloaded without some major losses. This is not limited to SVB, the unrealised t-bonds losses amount to well over 600 billion across the banking sector in the US.
      
      This is far from over me thinks.
      
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      March 13, 2023 3:23pm
    - Jack5
      
      Now, SVB’s UK arm, Silicon Valley Bank UK, has been taken over for one pound by Britilsh bank HSBC, forestalling chaos across Britain’s tech sector.
      
      The deal came after talks over the weekend between lenders, the British Treasury and start-up representatives.
      
      The bank had loans of around £5.5bn and deposits of around £6.7bn, and made an £88m profit last year, the Telegraph reports.
      
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      March 13, 2023 9:41pm
- NoCash
  
  New York’s Signature Bank has gone under too. What is significant about this bank is that many crypto exchanges use it, so liquidity issue in the crypto market can be expected.
  
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  March 13, 2023 2:01pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    I’m looking for establishment commentary suggesting that CBDC’s are the ‘answer’ to these failures. CBDC’s are the beginning of the end of personal sovereignty, and those who would rule us are licking their chops in anticipation.
    
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    March 13, 2023 2:11pm
    - Taieri
      
      CBDC’s are the beginning of the end of personal sovereignty
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      Our personal sovereignty was removed on the 26th of March 2020. Not even Hitler or Stalin ever dared to confine the entire population to their places of abode and prevented it from discharging even the most basic social obligations such as making final farewells and burying their kin. And all that with the full agreement of all elected “representatives” in a nominally free and democratic country.
      
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      March 13, 2023 2:56pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Perhaps, but being temporarily physically confined doesn’t constrain personhood, whereas being digitally dependent would turn everyone into slaves indefinitely.
        
        As for our elected “representatives”, the Covid years gave us a glimpse of their suppressed inner totalitarian gleefully escaping the shackles of democracy. It was ugly and sadly I don’t see any New Zealand leader – current or emerging – with the integrity or the insights to fix it. This that means enslavement is likely to happen again, whether it be CBDCs or WHO diktats given teeth by our agreeing to the so-called pandemic treaty.
        
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        March 13, 2023 3:32pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Markets opening in the US on Mon their time should be “interesting” 😬
    
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    March 13, 2023 3:31pm
Maggie Pie

Easy to see who molds Michael (river-of-filth)Wood’s thinking….

https://twitter.com/juliefairey/status/1634994369219682304

Just saying.
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March 13, 2023 10:03am
ClanMcleod

So the vicious media smear campaign against Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown is exposed for what it was.

Senior firefighters consider the regional head of Fire and Emergency NZ (Fenz) was “out of his depth” during Auckland’s fatal floods and did not accurately correspond data from at-capacity emergency workers to Mayor Wayne Brown – as the formal review into the emergency was this week delayed.

Paywalled in the Whoreald.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-floods-frontline-firefighters-fuming-over-fenz-top-brass-alleged-communication-fails-to-mayor-wayne-brown/WSM7VBLNRNHFPD3U3DP2T2J4RU/?utm_source=pocket_saves

The topic was well interpreted by commenters on KB. The fact was, Brown barely got his feet under the table, and there are people in roles whose jobs are to make these critical decisions. The Mayor may be the public voice, but he can only act on the advice of his experts.
The article explains this clearly. Wayne Brown responded as he should, when he was advised to.

The media in NZ yet again exposed as a complete embarrassment and nothing more than Labour shills and propagandists.
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March 13, 2023 10:04am
- Mark Hanley
  
  The NZ media are a disgrace and their lack of interrogation of the obvious Labour Government missteps and (dare I say it) corruption, makes the media responsible for the national disaster Labour has created.
  
  But how to fix it?
  
  We need our captains of industry to step up and create an online news and current affairs site which appeals to middle NZ and gives them the balanced investigative reporting which is vital to the success of a liberal democracy.
  
  We also need a derivation of the Swiss referendum system which allow voters to fill the role of an upper parliamentary chamber.
  
  Any race based policies must go to referendum.
  
  Any policies not articulated and costed before the election must go to referendum.
  
  Aside from initial disaster relief, policing, etc. National emergency response choices with costings must go to referendum. There was a sensible national pandemic plan which Labour ignored. If Labour had followed that plan we’d all be much much healthier and much much richer.
  
  We need a hierarchy of vital infrastructure projects so successive governments have to explain or provide alternative business cases for any derivation from the plan. Any derivation must be approved by referendum.
  
  Without change, we will continue to enrich the Labour hierarchy whilst we all get progressively poorer and sicker.
  
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  March 13, 2023 10:50am
Ignoranus

Co-governance is nothing to be scared of, Maoris are going to pay half the costs of running the country.
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March 13, 2023 10:13am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I thought you are banned but never mind.
  Maori will pay half the costs?
  Who will fund this cost?
  
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  March 13, 2023 5:46pm
MCōs

Fascinating bunch of characters coming out from under a rock
https://twitter.com/te_taipo/status/1634987770996457473?s=61&t=yFkzCNMWRCaVt1p5eRxUog
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March 13, 2023 10:40am
- Inandout
  
  MC, I love free speech as part of democracy.
  
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  March 13, 2023 10:41am
- alex Masterley
  
  Christchurch skin heads now in middle age.
  
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  March 13, 2023 10:52am
- NZer In Exile
  
  A handful of nuts.
  
  Of course the loony left need to tell us these types are EVERYWHERE, to deflect from all the sick shit the loony left are doing.
  
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  March 13, 2023 2:09pm
I remember when

While the amount and flow of water was the major reason for much of the damage from Cyclone Gabrielle, how much did things like lack of maintenance, inspections relating to maintenance and repair staff shortages contribute.
At a time were complaints about pothole repairs have reached a crescendo, how much did this add to the size and cost of the damage.
The previous year’s La Nina meant rainfall was above average for Hawke’s Bay.
Did this lead to water penetrating behind clay and rock faces, preparing them for future slips and damage.
Has the inferior quality ashpalt increased the degree of vulnerability of road surfaces.
How much maintenance didn’t happen because of firstly covid, covid lockdown, and then staffing shortages.

Was it all the result of Cyclone Gabrielle.
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March 13, 2023 11:10am
- Bob
  
  Actually ‘I Rem When’, the GABROELLE catastrophe has its origins in the sheeple continually voting for otherwise unemployable individuals, who offer no end of ‘POPULIST AGENDA’S; but no AGENDA that includes routine and regular maintenance of existing infrastructure; development and installation of additional stormwater systems as housing development expands; maintenance of weed, rubbish infested and damaged waterways -RIVERS- and and so the list goes ON.
  There is no EGO massaging, nor royal awards for paying attention to humdrum every day necessity activities, that we thought we were paying TAXES and RATES for!!
  
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  March 13, 2023 12:29pm
Widogast Corwin

Another example of New Zealand socialists wanting to ban people who have views that they disagree with.

“A British anti-transgender activist is planning a visit to Aotearoa, sparking concerns amongst Rainbow communities who say she has a “track record of hateful speech and the incitement of violence”.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/131402881/another-conspiracy-group-british-antitrans-rights-activist-plans-stop-in-aotearoa-as-part-of-global-tour

It is utter rubbish. Kellie Jay Keen is touring Australia and New Zealand. I have watched several of her speeches. There is nothing extreme about her. I have never observed her inciting violence. She campaigns on three things:

1. Stopping the transitioning of children using puberty blockers and surgery.

2. Keeping biological males out of women’s changing rooms and toilets.

3. Stopping biological men competing in women’s sports.

She also opposes woke terminology such as replacing the term “women” with the crazy “People with a uterus”.

I agree with her. That she is labelled an extremist, with the Greens calling for her to be refused entry to New Zealand, shows how mad New Zealand has become.
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March 13, 2023 11:22am
- graham
  
  I think Stuff need to stop drinking the Kool-Ade … their conspiracy theories are out-pacing the ones they’re complaining about.
  
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  March 13, 2023 11:41am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    Just an addendum… Anyone who disagrees with any aspects of the extreme trans ideology is called “transphobic” – literally fearing trans folk.
    
    Kellie Jay Keen has made it clear she is no such thing. She believes that any adult who wants to “change gender” can knock themselves out. However, she does not want “women” with male genitals parading in the women’s changing rooms. She does not want to be called a “person with a uterus”, and she does not want to see 14 year old girls having mastectomies because they say they want to be a boy.
    
    If that makes her an “extremist” she will have plenty of company.
    
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    March 13, 2023 11:52am
    - Taieri
      
      However, she does not want “women” with male genitals parading in the women’s changing rooms.
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      There’s a small logical issue here, which is easy enough to solve. If a man becomes a woman her genitals are no longer “male genitals” but become “female genitals”. As Humpty Dumpty used to say: “When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.”
      
      And we live in a Humpty Dumpty world…
      
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      March 13, 2023 12:26pm
      - Swifty
        
        That’s right.
        
        The correct thing to say is “she raped her with HER penis.”
        
        Let this be a lesson.
        
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        March 13, 2023 12:48pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        And it’s not as if there aren’t female penises…
        
        https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsbl.2018.0533
        
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        March 13, 2023 1:29pm
      - Swifty
        
        “You’re not exactly lacking in the facial hair department yourself Elsie.”
        
        “That’s because I am a man, Gladys.”
        
        https://fb.watch/jecLR8mxbO/?mibextid=uc01c0
        
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        March 13, 2023 2:19pm
- Nickc2
  
  It certainly goes against this Govt’s narrative.
  We’ve had the burning of books under the guise of Library cleanout. Now this FFS.
  Wake up people we’re being led down the path of Woke Socialism by stealth.
  On the plus side, they’ve only got six months to do it unless they’re re-elected.
  
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  March 13, 2023 11:53am
Captain Mainwaring

Anyone else heard the rumour that the clean car fund has run out of money?
If this is true it would be another feather in the cap of the obnoxious Michael Wood. Not.
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March 13, 2023 11:44am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  It will just get topped up from the “COVID Fund” 🙁
  
  Stupid, stupid policy anyway.
  
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  March 13, 2023 11:46am
Bob

from the “COVID Fund” ….
don’t you mean ‘from my Wallet’ – 2023 Budget item??
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March 13, 2023 12:31pm
- Prince
  
  No, from your children’s wallet, 2033.
  
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  March 13, 2023 12:43pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Great Grandchildren’s wallet.
    Yes it that far gone.
    
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    March 13, 2023 6:01pm
  - NothingLeft
    
    Anyone with brains hopes or aspirations should be planning to emigrate given current political, educational and demographic trajectory of NZ. There is simply zero hope that NZ will remain 1st world, and we are starting to see it play out in various institutional failures.
    
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    March 13, 2023 8:08pm
Swifty

I owe KBers and the Scots an apology.

Last night I reckoned that the recent shootings in Pukekohe were bound to have been perpetrated by drunken Scotsmen, those known rogues and haggis-eating reprobates.

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/03/general_debate_12_march_2023.html#comment-3334435

It appears I was wrong and that it was actually some Black Power fellows and clearly completely out of character for them.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300828495/black-power-gang-involved-in-pukekohe-incident-police-confirm

Please accept my apologies and would the Scots please forgive me as you get back to tossing your cabers!
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March 13, 2023 12:47pm
- Mike
  
  Can you be sure that the Black Power persons involved did not have substantial Scottish ancestry, with all that entails in terms of propensity for drunkenness and violence?
  
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  March 13, 2023 1:35pm
  - Jack5
    
    Among the ethnicities that seem particularly prone to alcoholism are Scots, Irish, Scandinavians, Russians, Polynesians, Native Americans, and some other indigenous peoples.
    
    No wonder booze sales rates are high in southern Ngai Tahu country.
    
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    March 13, 2023 3:07pm
    - Mike
      
      Don’t forget the English – also famous for drunken violence.
      
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      March 13, 2023 3:21pm
  - Sol Invictus
    
    Racist and hate speech.
    
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    March 13, 2023 6:59pm
NZer In Exile

Profound insights from Prof Walter Williams. Strong correlation with the NZ situation. How to F-up an underclass for generations with knee-jerk “good intentions”:

1 of 3: https://youtu.be/P1r-r6iLBEI

2 of 3: https://youtu.be/7DS0XXFdyfI

3 of 3: https://youtu.be/eqMuLNWL_Qo
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March 13, 2023 1:21pm
- Mike
  
  Prof Walter Williams
  
  Kiwibloggers are sick and tired of hearing from these ivory tower pinkos.
  
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  March 13, 2023 3:23pm
Maggie Pie

FOX TRENDING…

US regulators shuts down ‘NY Signature Bank’ 🙁

“Today we are taking actions to protect the US economy by strengthening public confidence in our banking system”

– Janet Yellen (Sec of Treasury)

FFS….what is Janet on?
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March 13, 2023 1:39pm
Bobba Fret

“Police have previously said the increase in reports of retail crime is largely due to better reporting and recording methods.”
Best excuse yet! Crime is up so much due to the better reporting LOL!!!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/reports-of-retail-crime-up-nearly-40-per-cent-in-2022/MTIGTUFOPRHDBOJTUV4AP5IOEY/
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March 13, 2023 2:09pm
jon

Understand there is a Kantar poll out on TV One, tonite!
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March 13, 2023 2:15pm
Alan Wilkinson

Silicon Valley Bank: Green, Woke, Diverse and Broke – Breibart

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/03/12/bernie-marcus-woke-silicon-valley-bank-was-more-concerned-about-global-warming-than-shareholder-returns/
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March 13, 2023 2:37pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  And now we see where ‘Democratic Senators’ are asking….. whether there is a program in place to censor information on social media that could lead to a run on the banks.
  
  Wonder how Elon would handle that??
  
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  March 13, 2023 2:46pm
  - Mike
    
    He would first need to consider whether he could use such information to do some (more) insider trading.
    
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    March 13, 2023 3:26pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Many “Super” Funds in Aus (aka Kiwisaver equivalents) have gone into woke (especially climate cult) “investments” and “divestments”. I think customers will pay dearly in the long run (if not very soon) because of this. In Aus “Super” is compulsory for wage and salary earners and is 10.5% on top of salary now. So many people have a lot of money in these funds.
  
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  March 13, 2023 3:40pm
  - Chris Nisbet
    
    I’d be interested to learn places where I can invest my money that aren’t infected with ESG. The infection seems to be everywhere.
    E.g.
    Look at what Milford has to say for itself…
    “We do not invest in companies that ignore sustainability risks and are not working towards a more sustainable future.”
    And BNZ…
    “Our responsible investment policy excludes certain sectors, including companies that generate significant revenue from activities that cause harm to people and the planet”
    ASB seems to be infected as well.
    Pretty depressing really.
    Is there anywhere left that places a priority their fiduciary duty?
    
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    March 13, 2023 5:48pm
    - Mike
      
      Buy gold and bury it in your garden against the day when the woke financial system collapses.
      
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      March 13, 2023 5:53pm
Warren

Here is a reason on why you can’t put your faith in the Prime Minister or the Minister of Housing Megan Woods.
After what happened in the aftermath of Cyclone Gabrielle and the devastating mess it has left behind, so why would you be convinced by the Prime Minister or the Housing Minister and Labour Caucus that they will build back better and safer for those that lost everything.
While all Political Parties must take responsibility for where and how they built homes in the past there were many that should never have been built in the locations they were.
So if Labour are lucky enough to be elected the Government at the next Election here is a reason why they haven’t learnt from the latest disaster.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/130999427/350-home-govt-project-on-site-minister-once-ruled-too-risky-for-80-lots
How can you change your mind on land that has been Judged as a risk for flooding with the Minister Megan Woods refusing permission to build 80 dwellings on it because of risk and safety and the months later let the Ministry purchase the land and are prepared to build more than 300 dwellings on this same land.
There has also been questions by those Qualified to judge on the suitability of David Parkers latest Resource Management Act.
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March 13, 2023 3:19pm
- Nickc2
  
  IMO, this Govt will build back better for everyone (post cyclone Gabrielle) who hasn’t got insurance on their properties and these people will of course vote Labour come the election.
  A classic example of using a natural disaster to one’s own advantage eh?
  As taxpayers, don’t say you weren’t warned.
  
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  March 13, 2023 4:22pm
Swifty

“Nash says new recruits will keep poli e on top of crime spike….”

Just come back to us Minister when crime levels are back to 1950s levels, hell I’d even settle for 2017 levels.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131477945/stuart-nash-says-new-recruits-and-gear-will-keep-police-on-top-of-crime-spike

In the meantime Minister, why don’t you just keep your trap shut and stop with the false promises and bullshit. We know you’ll not succeed, you know you’ll not succeed – you can’t when you’re not addressing root causes.

(Please note Mod that today I posted this to yesterday’s GD in error.)
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March 13, 2023 3:22pm
DimChappie

Julian Batchelor of Stop Co-Governance is having a big impact. The latest RNZ hatchet job has a little balance unlike the first and now Martyn Bradbury is mobilising a proest against him at his Auckland meeting on Tuesday March 28. I hope TV cameras are there. This is the start of the go-governance `discussion.”:

https://bit.ly/3ZFURQ9

https://bit.ly/3YJCtVg

https://www.facebook.com/events/3550006001953016/?ti=ls
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March 13, 2023 3:25pm
- Mike
  
  Who is Julian Batchelor?
  
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  March 13, 2023 4:25pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Stop trolling Mike. You know dam well who he is.
    
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    March 14, 2023 8:59am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Martin Bradbury says an un-named Moari person will turn up at Mt Eden.
  
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  March 14, 2023 9:00am
Ghost

Hipkins about to announce more policy flip flops.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/pm-chris-hipkins-policy-bonfire-turns-to-transport-speed-limit-changes-expected-to-be-ditched/B3KZEZZEGFAMRNMJREI4TIHPQM/
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March 13, 2023 3:55pm
- Ghost
  
  Getting a lot of flak from journalists for taking money away from climate and transport policies
  
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  March 13, 2023 4:26pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  “Narrowing the speed reduction programme to focus on the most dangerous one per cent of state highways, where there are the highest numbers of deaths and injuries and where local communities support change”
  Jesus wept – IOW 99% of the speed limit reductions were unnecessary and/or unwanted.
  
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  March 13, 2023 5:26pm
  - Mike
    
    I find your lack of logic disturbing.
    
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    March 13, 2023 5:32pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Flip flops? More like U-turns!
  
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  March 13, 2023 7:28pm
Maggie Pie

NZ Housing Market Newsletter…

Property guru and life-coach Steven Manafort writes…. “While dollar falls are important, of greater interest are ‘percentage-falls’ and are what we should be looking at. You need to compare oranges with oranges.
For instance, a $300,000 fall in Auckland’s Remuera, isn’t the same as a $300,000 fall in somewhere like Lower Hutt, where the vendor would actually need to pay someone to buy it”.

LOL!!
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March 13, 2023 3:58pm
- Mike
  
  What has been the decrease in value of your imaginary home?
  
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  March 13, 2023 4:23pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  I think ‘milkey’ lives in the Hutt?
  If falling house prices aren’t a major concern for renters, imagine having to wake up next to ross & mike every day! 🙁
  
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  March 13, 2023 5:42pm
  - Mike
    
    Falling house prices might mean that Msggie Pie’s dream of owning a real house, instead of renting in Otahuhu, might one day come true.
    
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    March 13, 2023 5:49pm
    - Ghost
      
      When I lived in Auckland I had a friend in Otahuhu. He owned 20 rental properties and farm.
      
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      March 13, 2023 6:41pm
      - Mike
        
        Maggie Pie might have been one of his tenants.
        
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        March 13, 2023 6:49pm
  - Ghost
    
    You can be eaten by Jabba the Hutt, but can you really live inside him?
    
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    March 13, 2023 5:55pm
    - Mike
      
      From this realm?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Hutt_River?wprov=sfla1
      
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      March 13, 2023 6:03pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      As my old gran used to say…
      “The more successful you are in life, the more the losers hate you”
      
      LOL!!
      
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      March 13, 2023 6:34pm
      - Mike
        
        I don’t think you hate me.
        
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        March 13, 2023 6:50pm
sirknz

Flip the genders and the teacher would have been strung up.

https://archive.fo/0c6tf [NZ Herald] 31 year old female teacher has sex with a 13 year old boy.

It’s either a crime to have sex with an underage person or it is not.

All laws should be gender neutral and garner the same punishment regardless of the offenders genitals and preferred pronouns.
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March 13, 2023 4:30pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  “Ooms’ registration as a teacher has been cancelled and she is now a bricklayer”
  
  Hmmm
  
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  March 13, 2023 7:34pm
Maggie Pie

If you want a bit of a larf…. check out the ‘replies’ to silly old Joe’s tweet 😀

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1634992664755191808
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March 13, 2023 4:51pm
- Ghost
  
  Wow, they’re building old looking robots….
  
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  March 13, 2023 4:54pm
Chuck Bird

I hear that there is a TVNZ poll tonight.
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March 13, 2023 5:11pm
Ghost

Very confusing on how this can even be turned into an attack on the Auckland mayor

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/03/footage-of-car-mounting-footpath-driving-towards-children-sparks-outrage.html
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March 13, 2023 5:40pm
- Taieri
  
  Very confusing on how this can even be turned into an attack on the Auckland mayor
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  Everyday’s management of the city has nothing to do with the Mayor. CEO is responsible for that. The Citizenry don’t seem to realise that.
  
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  March 13, 2023 5:58pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Loved how the Police response wasn’t “we are onto it and that driver will be loosing their car and licence”, but instead stating the obvious that drivers need to follow road rules
  
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  March 13, 2023 6:35pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    yip! My partne;s mum just txt…. if Chippie gad the balls to sack cuddles and bring back gideon tate labor wouls shit in.
    
    lol!!
    
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    March 13, 2023 7:17pm
Southern Raider

What the hell is wrong with 60% of voters

Labour are scrapping policies faster than a stripper, wasted taxpayer money everywhere, 5 years of non delivery, 24% inflation on fruit and veges

Yet they are lapping up Hipkins and voting Labour back to another term. How depressing
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March 13, 2023 6:37pm
- Dougal10
  
  People are rewarding him for getting rid of some stupid policys. The biggest bump Luxon could get would be getting rid of Muller that might give him 5% from the undecided that think the nats are woke greenies.
  
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  March 13, 2023 7:05pm
Maggie Pie

The-Green-Party….want everything YOU’VE got, except your job.

LOL!!
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March 13, 2023 7:13pm
marcw

Black Caps win with a bye off the very last ball.
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March 13, 2023 7:47pm
Tauhei Notts

Cost of Living.
Miraka, Open Country Dairy and Fonterra have all dropped their milk solids price. The only honest dairy company has raised its milk solids price, and it hasn’t made butter for decades.
Butter prices have risen.
Go figure!!!
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March 13, 2023 8:11pm
Ghost

The leader of the National Party, Christopher Luxon, has tested positive for Covid-19.

He has reportedly now isolated himself in his apartment.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christopher-luxon-tests-postive-for-covid-19/KEP46ULFLZFJRFLUA2YPML6XC4/
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March 13, 2023 9:22pm
- Okahu
  
  Best wishes on the health front to Mr L. Might be the perfect opportunity for him to think about what to do with himself when the all but inevitable coup kicks off. You can only pretend to be a leader and look and sound that useless for so long. I suspect Maureen ‘the spine’ Pugh has more charisma and fight in her.
  
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  March 13, 2023 9:47pm
Nookin

This herald writer seems to have been of the opinion that the test would have been tied if KW had not made it. Indeed, Southee also expressed the same view in another publication.
If KW had been runout, the test would have been drawn. Unless NZ’s number 11 was never going to bat.

https://www.odt.co.nz/sport/cricket/black-caps-pull-incredible-last-ball-win
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