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krazykiwi

Newsweek has seen the writing on the wall. This week they published an opinion from Scott Atlas (MD, and senior fellow in health policy a Stanford University) entitled America’s COVID Response Was Based on Lies. Some of us have known this for literally years, but it is interesting to see the MSM starting go above the line. Some extracts:

Almost all of America’s leaders have gradually pulled back their COVID mandates, requirements, and closures—even in states like California, which had imposed the most stringent and longest-lasting restrictions on the public. At the same time, the media has been gradually acknowledging the ongoing release of studies that totally refute the purported reasons behind those restrictions. This overt reversal is falsely portrayed as “learned” or “new evidence.”

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History’s biggest public health policy failure came at the hands of those who recommended the lockdowns and those who implemented them.

Quite. Baker, Ardern, Wiles, and Bloomfield… we’re looking at you. You are jointly and severally responsible for the biggest public health catastrophe in New Zealand’s history. Your toxic brew of ineptitude, hubris, and narcissism has ruined lives – current and future.

Atlas continues: –
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Here are the 10 biggest falsehoods—known for years to be false, not recently learned or proven to be so—promoted by America’s public health leaders, elected and unelected officials, and now-discredited academics:

1. SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus has a far higher fatality rate than the flu by several orders of magnitude.

2. Everyone is at significant risk to die from this virus.

3. No one has any immunological protection, because this virus is completely new.

4. Asymptomatic people are major drivers of the spread.

5. Locking down—closing schools and businesses, confining people to their homes, stopping non-COVID medical care, and eliminating travel—will stop or eliminate the virus.

6. Masks will protect everyone and stop the spread.

7. The virus is known to be naturally occurring, and claiming it originated in a lab is a conspiracy theory.

8. Teachers are at especially high risk.

9. COVID vaccines stop the spread of the infection.

10. Immune protection only comes from a vaccine.

Back in April 2020 BlairM told me “Don’t be selfish. Stay home, for others’ sake, not just yours”. Turns out being forced to stay home has left a trail of human misery.

Never forget.

Never let this happen again.
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March 9, 2023 8:01am
- nathie
  
  And when will our Govt allow those NZ’ers that lost their jobs due to the mandates back into the workforce?
  
  There are staffing shortages in the health sector and a well documented shortage of midwifes etc.
  
  So far the Govt seems oblivious and unwilling to use every lever to help rectify the health sector crisis.
  
  This is not good enough!
  
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  March 9, 2023 8:20am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Those that lost their jobs have been vindicated as the evidence of “death by pharma+medical cabal” outcome piles up. The dismissed deserve compensation for lost income, and for emotional distress.
    
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    March 9, 2023 9:14am
    - Luke Piewalker
      
      KK. Absolutely agree on compensation.
      
      The way they have been treated by their own organisations is appalling. The people that did that should be sacked.
      
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      March 9, 2023 10:13am
      - krazykiwi
        
        I resigned from the board of an organisation that mandated Covid ‘vaccinations’ for all staff, more than 1000 people. The decision was to delegated to the CE, but I insisted the policy decision rested with the board. I was out voted, 9:1 in favour.
        
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        March 9, 2023 6:50pm
    - Keith White
      
      I’m not looking for my job back and I’m not looking for vindication and I’m not even looking for compensation for the medical bills we paid for overseas treatment after one of our children’s NZ-inflicted jab-damage. I’m looking for utu. (In the Maori not the Sumerian sense).
      
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      March 10, 2023 4:48am
- Gravelroad
  
  @KK- you left off your list Mr Chris Hipkins- now Prime Minister.
  Wasn’t he the Minister for Covid – or something?
  But he is such a nice young man, I’m sure he just did and said what he was told to say and do at the time.
  And look where he is now? Our dear leader!
  
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  March 9, 2023 8:43am
  - mawm
    
    This nice young man is going to sign us up to the WHO “Pandemic Treaty” where we will all be obligated to follow their guidelines on any “pandemic” declared by them…… because they did so well last time. /sarc
    
    It is going to be the worldwide installation of communism, total control of movement and loss of bodily autonomy. If you know nothing about it then it is time to take notice.
    
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    March 9, 2023 12:18pm
- Random T Person
  
  bravo Krazy. I routinely look for your comments by searching your name in the lengthy GD posts as I know you have been all over this. Our instincts were right from the very start and oh boy have we been punished for the alt view.
  The thing is, the friends I have lost, the principal with whom I had a heated argument leading to my removal by the police, the opprobrium suffered at the hands of everyone from supermarket checkout ladies to the withered arm of the law….none of them will acknowledge or even make space in their own heads for the possibility that they were wrong. None of them will do that.
  So, bittersweet satisfaction that ‘we were right all along’. For what it’s worth, because as Faith No More sang, ‘Everything’s Ruined’.
  
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  March 9, 2023 8:44am
  - cmm
    
    “Our instincts were right from the very start ”
    
    I would like to correct you there.
    
    I don’t think the “alt” view was just based on instincts, but, rather, on REALLY following the science. It was solid science, not just some gut feeling.
    
    Meanwhile those that were talking about “following the science” really were not.
    
    A generation of people have been harmed. But, maybe worse in the long term, many generations will have had their confidence in real science and real vaccines etc rattled.
    
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    March 9, 2023 9:18am
    - Random T Person
      
      You are right, of course cmm, but I am not a scientist. Despite that, I have had flu many times, and I have seen the moronic ‘SARS pig flu bird flu’ bullshit over the course of years. I also know that economic health = physical health. As an ordinary, average Joe, I knew this whole thing was absurd. I also knew that a piece of cloth over your face could never prevent a respiratory virus from propagating.
      But all that ‘common knowledge’ was denied by the experts. Gaslighting? Good lord, the fucking SCALE of it!
      
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      March 9, 2023 9:22am
    - Bob
      
      were talking about “following the science……..
      These people were following their programmed ideological AGENDA; nothing to do with REAL SCIENCE.
      Anyhow there will not be a problem with science in future, as mostb of the real science has been removed from the NZ curriculumn.
      
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      March 9, 2023 9:48am
    - fisho
      
      I don’t even think it required you to ‘follow the science’, just needed a healthy application of rational thinking. Something severely lacking in many people nowadays.
      I remember thinking way back in Mar/Apr 202, the reaction and follow-up response was irrational to an unbelievable degree, it made me feel uneasy.
      
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      March 9, 2023 12:00pm
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        Remember the radio ads? “Get the kids vaccinated to save grandma” 😢
        
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        March 9, 2023 12:16pm
  - Lee C
    
    It’s wonderful to be able to visit KB and conveniently forget its patron and so many who visit here were pretty much cheerleading the whole mandate and vaccines programme.
    
    Full marks for free speech, not so much for defending other freedoms.
    
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    March 9, 2023 11:53am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The writing was on the wall, and they ran.
  Ardern – resigned.
  Bloomfield – resigned.
  Pink Terror – hiding under her desk.
  They finally came to the conclusion of ‘hey, things are backfiring on us’
  There are more followers to blame of course.
  
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  March 9, 2023 8:46am
  - I remember when
    
    Shaun Who? (Hendy).
    
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    March 9, 2023 8:49am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Yeah, him too. Someone should tell him to do models on a computer, not use playdough.
      
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      March 9, 2023 9:45am
    - Bobba Fret
      
      Shaun (80,000 will die) Hendy
      
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      March 9, 2023 11:28am
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Sweden.
        
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        March 9, 2023 9:39pm
  - Pavel
    
    Isn’t it great that we no longer have to see these people on TV and in the papers anymore. Speaking of which where has Baker and Wiles (kiwibank nzer of the year 2021) gone? I feel abandoned. They were all over the press for the first half of the pandemic but have now disappered and I feel lost without their daily wisdom //. Would love to see them on TV now.
    
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    March 9, 2023 9:34am
    - oldpark
      
      @Pavel 9.34am
      
      I recall they were given circa $3,000,000 Dollars for their troubles Go figure. Remember Taxpayers money . Question now might be. Will they pay it back. Now allegations are saying the Covid panic caper was in essence fake news by control freaks . Especially by Ardern/Hipkins and their full supporting Cabal. We live in hope.
      
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      March 9, 2023 10:35am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Control freaks using fear and blackmail for the vax.
        When does Nuremberg 2.0 start?
        
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        March 9, 2023 12:42pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The people we see on TV ain’t that great
      
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      March 9, 2023 3:10pm
    - Ghost
      
      They still are, just not front page stories any more
      
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      March 9, 2023 3:13pm
    - coge
      
      Might catch them on Dancing with the stars.
      
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      March 9, 2023 7:27pm
- Rusty
  
  @krazykiwi- lets hope if National gets into power that there is an inquiry into how Labour handled the covid crisis.
  
  I wonder what the real reason is for Bloomfield, Ardern, and maybe others to follow have stepped down from their jobs?
  
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  March 9, 2023 8:49am
  - Random T Person
    
    National would have done the same thing and were singing from the same song sheet, Rusty.
    Remember Chris ‘Get Boosted’ Bishop?
    I do.
    Even David ‘Personal Liberties and Responsibility’ Seymour was doing Jacinda and Trevor’s bidding. THEY ARE ALL CUT FROM THE SAME CLOTH.
    
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    March 9, 2023 9:09am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      You do not know that at all, Nats have stated they will look into COVID in the 100 days
      
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      March 9, 2023 9:47am
      - Ghost
        
        Sure they will. However it doesn’t really matter who you vote for, national, labour, Māori, greens, act, they are all leading the country to the same place just with a different name. You saw this under Covid when they all took their political masks off and United against the people. We are leaving the Covid story now and moving more into the climate story.
        
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        March 9, 2023 9:51am
      - leoj
        
        With Chris “house-to-house jab” Bishop running the enquiry I suppose……..
        
        The Nats will do diddly-squat, as always.
        
        Blue communists is all they are.
        
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        March 9, 2023 10:50am
      - Bobba Fret
        
        And even if they do look in to it, nothing will be done now.
        
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        March 9, 2023 11:29am
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        You might want to think about the logic inherent in your comments.
        
        Can you tell us what “look into” mans?
        
        A bit like your “emission will follow science”.
        
        You strike me as a blind National Party fan.
        
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        March 9, 2023 8:04pm
      - Clownworld
        
        Whoever wins the election do we trust anyone to actually hold those responsible and accountable?
        At best incompetence at worst malovence , most likely a bit of both with lots of lies thrown in.
        Look at the list of those who were wrong
        All political parties in power,govt and opposition.
        All the Media with independant exceptions
        All govt public servants in particular
        – so called scientists
        – doctors, nurses
        – health specialists
        – Destiny profiting off testing
        – Testers
        – Tracers
        – Woke corporates – The Warehouse and Air NZ two early virtue signallers
        – Police
        – Immigration
        – All companies that mandated
        – All companies that still mandate
        – All the people who took the vaccine and or boosters and mocked those who didn’t
        
        No way will most of thepeople admit they deceived or were deceived.
        
        Ideally appropriate justice should be served as follows
        Innocent victims first
        1.Those killed by directly or indirectly by govt laws and mandates, families compensated and laws changed to protect this from ever happening again.
        
        2. All those suffering from taking vaccine be taken care of medically and be supported for their needs and be compensated.
        
        3. Those who lost their business and houses due to govt lockdowns be reimbursed.
        
        4. Those who lost jobs to be reimbursed and reinstated.
        
        After victims then identify and trial those who
        
        a) Made decisions which had real life impacts to all victims above
        
        b) Start from the top and work way down political hierarchy.
        
        c) Use the investigation to ensure it doesn’t happen again. Highlight what went wrong and how we can avoid it happening.
        
        d) Investigate the relationship between the govt and 4th estate and check it was not collusion for lying.
        
        That’s a start, for the record yes I know people adversely affected by the vaccine. Yes my job meant I had to resign as I disagreed with their response to the manufactured crisis.
        
        Feel free to add more in terms of what needs to be done to protect NZers future and hold people accountable for the atrocities committed.
        
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        March 9, 2023 11:57pm
  - cmm
    
    Yup.
    
    Labour, just competent.
    
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    March 9, 2023 9:19am
- Master Mariner
  
  Thanks KK,
  
  Just a reminder to everyone to submit,
  
  Do feel free to make your own submission. Anybody can make submissions to this Royal Commisssion, but it must be clearly focussed within the terms of reference – or it will likely be not considered at all. In the interim, any inquiries should be directed to InquiryintoCOVID-19lessons@dia.govt.nz
  
  Links as follows:
  
  Government Inquiries – dia.govt.nz
  Inquiry into COVID-19 Lessons – dia.govt.nz
  Royal Commission of Inquiry (COVID-19 Lessons) Order 2022 (SL 2022/323) Contents – New Zealand Legislation
  
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  March 9, 2023 9:07am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    This is a smart move by Labour to attempt to control the official review. This way they hope to avoid a proper investigation and the worst criticism.
    
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    March 9, 2023 9:51am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Yep.
      Yes indeed. However the wheels are falling off quicker Internationally now and people can see the “Limited Terms of reference” for what it actually is.
      
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      March 9, 2023 10:12am
  - Clownworld
    
    Thanks for this MM , just saw after I ranted above.
    
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    March 9, 2023 11:59pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  Yet again I ask where has the Billions of Treaty settlement funds gone? The latest round started 30 years ago in 1993 with the largess of the Duke of Montrose aka Doug Graham. Since then Maori stats have got much worse. Like 60% of the prison population compared to 15% of the total population.
  If the funds had been spent wisely on improving the lot of Maori the MSM would be shouting this from the roof tops. Instead silence.
  BTW expect to see a large increase in the numbers ticking the Maori box in the census.
  
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  March 9, 2023 9:14am
  - SoloView
    
    @ lastmanstanding
    re Billions of Treaty settlement funds
    
    From https://teara.govt.nz/en/te-tai/about-treaty-settlements
    
    “As of August 2018, 73 settlements had been passed into law. The total value of all finalised settlements is $2.24 billion. This may seem like a lot of money, but in the next 12 months, the Government will spend $14 billion on national superannuation alone. The entire value of Treaty settlements over the past quarter of a century would cover superannuation payments for two months.”
    
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    March 9, 2023 11:17am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    The Elite Maori have absconded it. They need it for the Coup.
    Have a look at http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
    
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    March 9, 2023 12:50pm
  - artemisia
    
    I did not tick the Maori box on the census form. Last time I did tick it and for my sins was required to go through a mandatory one-on-one face to face interview.
    
    A good part of the information requested in the meeting went well beyond what was in the census forms. And obviously was going to be used by advocacy groups, aka more money please. Possibly also researchers.
    
    Same will go for gender and mould in the house questions, but at least – AFAIK – citizens don’t have to front up in person to intrusive questioning.
    
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    March 9, 2023 2:04pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Tick the Maori box on the census, and what is the bet that they want you on the Maori Electoral Roll, and become a member of the Maori Party?
      
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      March 9, 2023 3:19pm
- Jim
  
  Event 201 was a large scale simulated coronavirus pandemic response conducted in late 2019 by B&M Gates Foundation and WEF. Hmmmm, smoke – fire and all that.
  
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  March 9, 2023 7:30pm
Simon

Baby boomers are retiring. Taking with them all that knowledge, experience and education. The idea you can replace that with low wage immigration from the third world is laughable. NZ living standards will continue to decline.
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March 9, 2023 8:04am
- alloytoo
  
  Define “Low Wage immigration”.
  
  Immigrants I know typically have 15-20 experience in their field and earn significantly above average or median wage.
  
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  March 9, 2023 9:43am
  - Simon
    
    Immigrants I know typically working in basic menial jobs and living poorly. But all the same happy to be out of their shit country and will put up with all sorts of rubbish.
    
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    March 9, 2023 10:05am
  - Sideoiler
    
    Define “Low Wage immigration”.
    How about the countless number who came to NZ for some low grade course and were allowed to stay who are now running gas stations, super liquor and driving friggen taxis!
    
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    March 9, 2023 10:05am
    - Jack5
      
      The student-visa rort was pushed not only by universities and secondary schools, but even by foreign entrepreneurs who set up in NZ to help their fellow countrymen (and it was overwhelmingly, men) migrate here.
      
      It has provided lots of whiteware sales assistants, door knockers for electricity companies and internet providers, but very little or any push for technology industries.
      
      There must be millions of highly skilled folk we could target as potential immigrants.
      
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      March 9, 2023 4:14pm
- Paulus
  
  And you forget Money – that they have worked and paid taxes for for their retirement.
  Many have freehold homes some more than one.
  Prudance was the word man boomers remembered from their parents.
  
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  March 9, 2023 9:55am
  - Ian Boag
    
    paid taxes for for their retirement.
    
    They didn’t pay enough taxes to create a pension fund, so its the kids who are funding the retirement.
    
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    March 9, 2023 4:04pm
- Ghost
  
  So when did your family come to New Zealand?
  
  We’ve got a lot of high skilled immigrants that come here because New Zealander would rather go to Australia to earn more money. Thank god these people want to come to New Zealand because without them we’d be screwed.
  
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  March 9, 2023 10:03am
  - Simon
    
    That was a few years ago. NZ generally cant retain highly skilled as there is too much taxation, govt regulation and high costs of living. Unless they have been here for yrs. If you can live anywhere in the world ie highly skilled then NZ isnt really the best option. Increasingly immigrants moving to NZ are motivated to get away from their shit hole countries. If you are from a first world country moving to NZ is generally a very backward step.
    
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    March 9, 2023 10:08am
    - WaynelSexton
      
      The living standards of Kiwis only needs to last for another 20 years. Then boomers will be dead and so will Western civilization in New Zealand.
      You failed boomers.
      
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      March 9, 2023 11:16am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Immigration is only used when staff are required and there is a shortage of a particular trade, I note that ESE workers are on )30 a hour, why? They are earning way more than an NZer
  
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  March 9, 2023 10:06am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Lol. Yep Simon, boomers are retiring. And seeing what we see now in the ineptitude and weakness of our current politicians, along with the woke|diversity and equity inspired young people that vote them in, I for one am happy to take my assets and money and leave them to it. They can climb out of the hole full of shit that they have dug, and are continuing to dig themselves into. I’ll sit back, watch and have a laugh. If things start to look like getting a bit messy in terms of property rights (or say a wealth tax), wife and I are mobile, we’ll just bugger off somewhere more friendly.
  
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  March 9, 2023 10:35am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I am one of them. I have a wealth of mechanical and fabricating knowledge that has only passed on to a few 30 years ago. These days the younger do not want to work in a noisy engineering workshop and get their hands dirty. Useless. They just want a keyboard and screen.
  
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  March 9, 2023 12:55pm
kevn

@kk…. Thank you for that.
Only 12 months ago we witnessed the anti mandate protests.
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March 9, 2023 8:06am
- Nickc2
  
  Ok, that’s Covid-19 done and dusted. We were deceived by politicians and opportunists and suffered accordingly.
  Now, let’s put the same effort into proving Man Made Climate Change is a scam, hold those responsible for the scam and get on with life free of deceptive liars, scammers, and opportunists.
  
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  March 9, 2023 8:23am
  - Yvette
    
    Nickc22 – Now, let’s put the same effort into proving Man Made Climate Change is a scam
    
    Climate Change is an issue that has been worked on since Maggie Thatcher’s involvement, so its origins are now ‘back in history’ and ‘scientists’, since realising the cash cow that Climate Change is, have milked every angle possible, so there is answers to almost every attack you might make.
    
    Better to direct your energies to debunking “Mahi Tahi”, the new buzz-word for “co-governance”, which has not gone away at all, but is for example the reason Rob Campbell claims he met his demise – Hipkins trying to distance himself from the most toxic front to him in Election year.
    
    Meanwhile Luxon has been keeping his powder dry so long that he appears to have forgotten where the trigger is. He needs help in finding it again.
    So put your efforts into reminding him.
    
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    March 9, 2023 9:40am
    - Nickc2
      
      TKS Yvette. I will divide my efforts accordingly.
      
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      March 9, 2023 9:55am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      He has stepped up a lot this week and some of last, he is getting the better of Hipkins who just smirks in Q time
      
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      March 9, 2023 10:07am
      - mawm
        
        Early impressions make an indelible mark. He’s a loosing hand that I’m not going to bet on.
        
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        March 9, 2023 12:30pm
- Matt Long
  
  And the government, all of them, showing remarkable bloody mindedness in refusing to listen to the peorester’s concerns and spreading lies about them, and backing the brutal police response.
  
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  March 9, 2023 8:39am
  - I remember when
    
    It wasn’t the brutal police response.
    Rather, the fact it would not even have been necessary had the government engaged in talks with them.
    
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    March 9, 2023 8:52am
  - krazykiwi
    
    “and backing the brutal police response”
    
    I believe the police were instructed by Ardern. This happened right around the western world. Politicians in the UK, Germany, Italy and Australia were all busted for hauling police chiefs aside and giving them orders, those instruction being in contravention of the laws which exist to stop leaders using enforcement agencies as their own private militias.
    
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    March 9, 2023 9:03am
    - Matt Long
      
      Did we hear any protests or calls for moderation from the ” opposition” parties with regard to the police response?
      Not that I recall.
      
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      March 9, 2023 9:08am
    - Master Mariner
      
      Yep indeed, Never in the history of the Western World has there been a concerted response in messaging ( narrative) and responses.
      
      More so in the “5 eyes” aligned countries.
      
      Look no further than who controlled to narrative ( Social media companies).
      
      Who was pulling there “strings” ? Therein lies the blame.
      
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      March 9, 2023 9:13am
      - mawm
        
        The blame must be borne by those who represent us and our democracy. This is probably the most shameful event ever by any representative government and as adults it is theirs to bear.
        
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        March 9, 2023 12:34pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    And the brave parliamentary National Party’s response was…………?
    Nah, not talking to you……..
    
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    March 9, 2023 9:11am
    - leoj
      
      Jacinda’s skirt was safer.
      Gutless wokesters, all of them.
      Luxon, Seymour et al missed a huge opportunity and blew it. Luxon continues to blow it since then on climate change.
      A wally of the first order.
      
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      March 9, 2023 10:56am
Biscuit

Everything, they say, comes to those who wait…

And today, I am delighted to announce that ‘Stuff’ has a cartoon up – from Jim Hubbard – that I am in agreement with.
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March 9, 2023 8:16am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Sadly true the Banks in NZ have service bar, none….that is they have no service.
  
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  March 9, 2023 8:17am
- Simon
  
  “Everything, they say, comes to those who wait…”
  
  When it comes to MSM sounds like battered wife syndrome. “he bought me flowers and chocolates. See he really does love me”
  
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  March 9, 2023 8:25am
- igm
  
  One has the opportunity to change banks if dissatisfied, but cannot do anything about an illegal mandate.
  
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  March 9, 2023 8:35am
- Loddenthinks
  
  Went there (briefly) on your recommendation.
  
  Couldn’t find a more recent Hubbard cartoon than January 2021.
  
  Saw the “front page” which includes such important news stories as:
  – a cry-baby ratbag renter shouting at a cloud
  – a non-article about skim milk
  – someone pitching to change Air NZ’s uniforms
  – a man receiving unordered Uber Eats deliveries
  – something about Harry and Megan’s kids
  
  Left immediately.
  
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  March 9, 2023 8:52am
  - Opie
    
    You better check and make sure none of that is stuck to your shoes…
    
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    March 9, 2023 11:58am
    - Loddenthinks
      
      Flip-flops, but thanks for the tip. Chucked them outside just in case!
      
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      March 9, 2023 1:07pm
Bridgenag

COVID, Climate Change, Agenda 2030 and The Great Reset, the Ukraine War, Online Censorship and “safety”, 15-Minute Cities and More

Doug Brodie’s Campaigning Swan Song

https://open.substack.com/pub/stevekirsch/p/in-san-francisco-if-you-dont-wear?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=emailhttps://open.substack.com/pub/metatron/p/covid-climate-change-agenda-2030?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
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March 9, 2023 8:21am
Flossie

I returned to live in New Zealand six years ago and do wonder why. Things had seemed to be really on the up and up, and then the government changed.
What has been achieved here since then? As far as I can tell very little.
The health system is terrible
Debt is out of control
New infrastructure???
Crazy expenditure by NZTA with hard to identify benefits

But I guess on the up side we have had tremendous growth in racial division.
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March 9, 2023 8:22am
Gravelroad

We filled in the census.
One of the inmates here wants to know why was there such an emphasis on what gender you are?
Why is it so important for the government to know this?
And how will they use the information?
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March 9, 2023 8:23am
- Simon
  
  “Why is it so important for the government to know this?”
  
  Because they hate the cattle that they farm.
  
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  March 9, 2023 8:26am
- Flossie
  
  It is hard to imagine what practical purpose this information will serve for government agencies.
  
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  March 9, 2023 8:27am
- mandk
  
  They won’t use the information, since it has no practical value.
  
  The question was asked only for virtue signalling purposes – it shows that Stats NZ are inclusive.
  
  I chose not to answer that question on the grounds that it was objectionable.
  
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  March 9, 2023 8:31am
  - RoboRob
    
    They will likely categorise you as Trans (which is why I didn’t choose that option). Expect stuff later this year about ‘NZs growing Trans population’ and the ‘need for xxxx to provide services for our 10% trans population’.
    
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    March 9, 2023 9:07am
  - Ghost
    
    I’d change that and say that question was asked for political reasons, so that labour can show they are inclusive.
    
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    March 9, 2023 9:32am
- pdm
  
  What about ethnicity gravel.
  
  I ticked – other.
  
  Then put New Zealander as I have done for the last 3 or 4 Census.
  
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  March 9, 2023 8:33am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The gender question is pushed by the luvvies, it’s utter bullshit for setting funding and the numbers around people in general, I note the media pardy attacked wether the words NZ European and showed Asian people born in NZ angry about that, they don’t have to tick European , they could tick other and say they are NZ born Asian
  
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  March 9, 2023 8:33am
  - pdm
    
    Or if they have citizenship – NEW ZEALANDERS!!!
    
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    March 9, 2023 8:57am
- Random T Person
  
  I sent the forms back entirely blank, and even included the old envelope and the peelable bit from the return envelope in the package. The government broke the social contract, so I will not participate.
  
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  March 9, 2023 8:46am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    My form of protest went the other way. Completed two online forms, with different codes, both matching to the same address. If their system is so crap that it’s incapable of recording that a form had already been completed for an address, that tells me immediately that any data they collect is utter garbage.
    
    I didn’t think they could make it any worse than the previous one under this government – the worst (both census and government) in history, but yet again Labour has said “hold my soy latte”.
    
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    March 9, 2023 8:57am
    - Random T Person
      
      Good onya Lodden. The more we can mess with them – malicious compliance – the better.
      
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      March 9, 2023 9:11am
    - RoboRob
      
      Yes I was stunned at this. As an IT professional I can understand why they might have multiple codes for the same address (to track which for triggered you to do the survey) but not linking them to the same survey is just plain incompetence.
      
      Also, yet again they didn’t provide an (obvious) ability to edit a survey once completed. Im pretty sure I made a mistake but couldn’t see how to edit it. Last time the edit functionality was either broken or unavailable.
      
      My father never got his papers, only something saying they wouldn’t be delivered and he must complete online (weird). Handy for someone who doesn’t have a computer and doesn’t use the internet on his phone (apart from yelling questions a google).
      
      It is stunning that after the last Census fuck up that they once again seem to be on the same track. It is amazing the level of incompetence this government has, I cant recall major Census screw ups before this Labour govt.
      
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      March 9, 2023 9:14am
      - Loddenthinks
        
        Also an IT professional, and staggered at the ineptitude of this lot.
        
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        March 9, 2023 1:09pm
      - artemisia
        
        Not just Stats either. In the covid era I applied for a mask exemption. No problem, it arrived in the post within the specified time frame.
        
        The following week another one arrived.
        
        And the following week a third one.
        
        I was making sure there would be space in the recycling if this continued, but luckily it was just thre
        
        Obviously a system problem. No time for very basic testing?
        
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        March 9, 2023 2:12pm
  - pdm
    
    RTP – no forms recieived for anyone at our place.
    
    Had to phone for the required Access Code which I must say was handled with far greater efficiency than expectd.
    
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    March 9, 2023 9:00am
    - RoboRob
      
      But why no forms, My dad didn’t get them either. After the last census screw up you would think they would have resolved this, but obviously not.
      
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      March 9, 2023 9:15am
    - Gravelroad
      
      @pdm-
      Family member who lives in town did not get paper forms.
      Old lady round the corner does not have a computer or mobile phone, so could’nt do it – even though she went to school and could read and write.
      
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      March 9, 2023 9:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  The Govt need to know everything – so they can control the masses.
  
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  March 9, 2023 8:52am
  - RoboRob
    
    Lucky for us them that this Labour govt doesn’t seem able to run a census.
    
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    March 9, 2023 9:16am
  - Ian Boag
    
    so they can control the masses
    
    And get a handle on how many schools/hospitals might be needed (and where to put them) in the next 10 years. And where electoral boundaries should be drawn. And where urban growth can be expected …
    
    Probably a few more.
    
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    March 9, 2023 4:12pm
    - cmm
      
      Well, yes, except they then go and shut down the really good schools and screw up the hospitals.
      
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      March 9, 2023 7:26pm
- Matt Long
  
  The gender question is so they can track the effectiveness of grooming in schools and libraries over time.
  
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  March 9, 2023 9:05am
- Ehlana
  
  I am looking forward to full disclosure of the results of this census – especially of what percentage of people, across what age ranges and birth sex – actually identify as another gender.
  
  It may show that the noise is disproportionate to the number of people affected – which means, of course, that some other group is missing out on attention it should get simply because it is not as noisy.
  
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  March 9, 2023 9:20am
  - RoboRob
    
    More likely a whole heap of confused teen girls will have filled it out as an alt gender.
    
    According to my teen boys plenty of the ladies either think they are lesbians or are transitioning. I expect as they grow older they will move out of this ‘phase’.
    
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    March 9, 2023 9:38am
    - alloytoo
      
      Hopefully they will so without doing themselves any permanent damage.
      
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      March 9, 2023 9:54am
      - RoboRob
        
        100%. Which is why surgical options should only be available to adults.
        
        Puberty blockers should be banned. Who would believe that going through puberty might actually help ones sexual identity!
        
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        March 9, 2023 11:02am
    - Matt Long
      
      Based on the information I have seen it will be an exponential graph by age starting at 0.01% for the 90 plus cohort with a sharp rise in the 10 to 15 year cohort before tapering down in the 1 to 5 group where gender disphoria is a parental mental issue.
      
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      March 9, 2023 10:01am
      - RoboRob
        
        There are instances of families in the USA with 3 or 4 children where 66-75% of the children are either trans or Lesbian / homosexual. In one case the Wife / mother identified as a Trans homosexual (i.e. a Biological Woman who thinks she is a Man but is sexually attracted to men).
        
        There was a primary school class with 15 people identifying as LBGTLMNNOP. Coincidentally the teacher was also LBGTLMNNOP.
        
        Statistically it is hard to see thas as being possible on a purely biological basis. If you factor in nurture however you can easily see why it might occur. We are not allowed to factor in nurture.
        
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        March 9, 2023 10:58am
  - Paulus
    
    We will not get any full disclosure of this Census as there will be considerable modulation and moderation of the results – like GCSE.
    Whatever they finally get will be adjusted and included in the results they want.
    Initially a poor turnout suggested – not surprised.
    
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    March 9, 2023 10:01am
- lastmanstanding
  
  We got 2 forms address to The Householder. We used one of the codes to complete. Was tempted to give rubbish replies but in the end filled it out honestly. I guess Im hoping the info will be used competently but I aint holding my breath.
  
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  March 9, 2023 9:39am
- Prince
  
  The whole basis of the census now seems to be to identify ‘at risk, underpriveleged communities’, in order to transfer wealth to them from the ‘wealthy’.
  I made sure I identified myself appropriately to take part in the lolly scramble.
  
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  March 9, 2023 11:39am
- JohnRidd
  
  I think it was to instill in the population the false belief that it is possible to change one’s gender.
  
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  March 9, 2023 1:26pm
Inandout

So you thought the Covid madness was over.

‘Current Health Protocols for Cruises Visiting Australia, New Zealand & South Pacific Countries
Vaccinations.
Guests must have received their final dose of an authorized COVID-19 vaccine at least 14 days before the beginning of the cruise and provide acceptable proof at terminal check-in.
Boosters are highly recommended for those eligible at least seven days before cruising.
Testing
At terminal check-in guests must attest to a negative viral COVID-19 test (PCR or rapid antigen) taken before embarkation’.
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March 9, 2023 8:25am
- Random T Person
  
  It is literally illegal to have a cold.
  
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  March 9, 2023 9:12am
Maggie Pie

My partner had some urgent business to attend to in Sydney so I joined him for a few days shopping. Talk about HOT. Every day was at least 50C!!
I’ve never been one to sweat….but honestly 🙁

Spent a lot of time in the cool of our hotel suite watching telly.
Interesting story on the ABC about the magnitude of corruption relating to an Aboriginal Trust. Something like $34 million gone missing. Tens of millions spent on private jets, cars, boats, fridges, and gambling at casinos.
They’re saying it’s just the tip of the iceberg.
As some wag said….”The good old taxpayer gets fleeced again, but the rivers of money keep flowing. There must be a way to blame this on white people”

https://twitter.com/NWGLP/status/1632429759006375939

Thank goodness our own Labour gubmint have all the checks & balances in place to prevent something like that happening here. Just saying.
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March 9, 2023 8:33am
- pdm
  
  maggie rumour has it Labour are setting up a new Audit Quango.
  
  As with 3/5/AllWaters this will be run by Mahuta Inc.
  
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  March 9, 2023 8:36am
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    That Audit Quango should keep the Mahuta family in Audi Quattros.
    
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    March 9, 2023 9:19am
- kevn
  
  @Maggie… Great Aussie twitter ‘news’.
  
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  March 9, 2023 8:44am
- Tomtoddy
  
  There is a level at which the Aboriginal people themselves are not to blame and it is the same situation here in NZ. Politicians of all shades think the answer to every problem is “more money”. No matter what the issue Governments think all that is necessary is to vote more of our money to a problem and it will go away.
  
  Chippie threw a few million at truancy claiming it will be fixed. Dishing out money to disadvantaged groups may make politicians feel good and some consciences may be salved but the root of the problem remains.
  
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  March 9, 2023 9:06am
- Swifty
  
  Coincidentally, recently I rewatched an old Waatea News piece with Willie Jackson form years back (before he was in government).
  
  He was talking about situations where Maori Iwi lost money through fraud or embezzlement, or just plain bad investing, by iwi governors, managers or administrators.
  
  He reckoned that in these cases the fault lay in the government, for throwing money at Iwi incapable of managing it – not having the skills or behaviours to do anything other than waste it, according to him.
  
  And that the right thing to do was for the government to pay the money again, but this time with more strings attached!
  
  I thought that it was, for several reasons, one of the most reckless, racist, and just plain irresponsible things I’ve ever heard someone in his position say in my life.
  
  I wonder if Willie paid $50,000 cash for a new car and the dealer later rang to say the cash was lost by the accounts boy taking it on the bus to the bank and would he mind paying another $50,000 please?
  
  What would he say?
  
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  March 9, 2023 10:52am
Matt Long

From the Federated Farmers Dairy Conference Papers;
AgFirst survey results meeting in July. Bay Of Plenty and Waikato farms. Production costs per kg of Milk Solids “20-21 $4.39, 21-22 $5.32 and 22-23 predicted $5.95 However, since then interest cost have increased approximately 200%. AgFirst results for breakeven payout/kg of ms to cover FWE, int and drawings, $8.44” which means a loss for half of dairy farms this year excluding those impacted by floods.
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March 9, 2023 8:48am
- Matt Long
  
  Also in Northland, a tribute to Labour’s extraordinary competence and Fonterra’s commitment to be a leader in “sustainability,”
  “In 2017 the region produced 101 million kg’s of milk solids and in 2023 the expectation is 65 million milk solids. A slight reduction?”
  That’s close to half a billion dollars less coming into the Northland and New Zealand economy. Some of that in time will be replaced by revenue from other land use options.
  
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  March 9, 2023 8:55am
- Matt Long
  
  It’s an extraordinary effort for Labour to have doubled the cost of doing business for dairy farms in only three years.
  Ardern’s majority government is definitely the worst I know of in any modern western democracy, and it’s also extraordinary they are not in single figures in the polls.
  
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  March 9, 2023 9:01am
  - Bob
    
    extraordinary they are not in single figures in the polls…….
    they probably are in reality, but no media is brave enough to publish such figures!
    
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    March 9, 2023 10:01am
alex Masterley

In a small piece on a ram raid in St Heliers, a suburb of Auckland the following sentence appears.
“Businesses in St Heliers, a beachside town in Auckland, have regularly been targeted by ramraids.”
These days St Heliers is regarded as an inner city suburb.
The herald really needs to employ competent subeditors to stop this sort of rubbish being published.
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March 9, 2023 8:50am
- pdm
  
  But Alex – Chippy said at Question Time yesterday that he had stopped/reduced ram raids etc when he was Police Minister.
  
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  March 9, 2023 9:02am
  - Nickc2
    
    The PM did no such thing. IMO, Te MSM has ceased reporting ramraids at Govt request to make this Govt and Police look good leading to the next election.
    
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    March 9, 2023 9:06am
    - Ghost
      
      Nope, just googled, still being reported, strange though I don’t recall them ever being breaking or top news stories for the, hmmmm, has there been any breaking or top stories on this since the murder in Jacinda’s electorate?
      
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      March 9, 2023 9:20am
      - Matt Long
        
        And that is how Labour solves crime, poverty, housing, goods shortages. Their friends in the MSM deescalate the news about them.
        Imagine the daily fear porn about all these crises if National were in government.
        
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        March 9, 2023 10:07am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    The country in now a free-range-asylum! Armed murderers, rapists, drug peddlers and ramraiders looting at will.
    
    LABOUR: “No wurries bro, we got your back”
    
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    March 9, 2023 9:14am
  - RoboRob
    
    I assume he is referring to reducing ram raids as a percentage of total violent crime and that he aceived that by increasing the level of violent crime without reducing the number of ram raids.
    
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    March 9, 2023 9:18am
  - Ehlana
    
    Ah, yes, but it may well be, pdm, that what the PM means by “stopped/reduced” is different from what you think it means.
    
    After all, you probably spent most of your life totally misunderstanding terms like “man” and “woman”.
    
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    March 9, 2023 9:27am
- Bridgenag
  
  Didn’t one of the gangs pay $7m for a house out that way?
  
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  March 9, 2023 5:22pm
Master Mariner

As all who have skin in this game already know,
There is nothing but “smoke and mirrors” if you think this is carbon neutral in maintaining Offshore Wind power.

In fact it is hugely energy intensive just in Installing and maintaining. Without the fact of fabricating infrastructure.
https://gcaptain.com/nextera-ceo-says-offshore-wind-a-bad-bet/

And while I’m at it. Have Kiwi Rail made a huge mistake in ordering from Hyundai Battery powered Hybrid ferries ?

https://maritime-executive.com/article/havila-bans-electric-and-hydrogen-vehicle-transport-due-to-fire-danger

And appear to be heading towards Hydrogen powered.

https://gcaptain.com/power-cell-secures-order-for-delivery-of-world-s-largest-marine-hydrogen-fuel-cells-to-two-norwegian-ferries/

It “may” very well likely come to a point in the near future where EV’s and Hybrid “battery” powered vessels are banned . So with this in mind, EV’s may very well be left stranded either side of the Straights.

As it currently stands , EV’s are a ecological time bomb with no current technology to recycle.
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March 9, 2023 8:51am
- alloytoo
  
  The current fleet of 1st Gen EV’s are approaching their end of life.
  
  It’s almost impossible or at very least prohibitively expensive to transport EV batteries to NZ, even before you consider the cost of the batteries themselves and the very specialized labour required to work on them.
  
  You can completely rebuild your ICE engine for a fraction of the price.
  
  This makes a 10-15 year old EV worthless
  
  Where as a 15-20 ICE vehicle remains perfectly functional, if perhaps a smidgeon less economical than current models
  
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  March 9, 2023 10:27am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  MOL have banned EVs and Hybrids from their v large fleet of Car Carriers.
  
  They owned the Felicity Ace, now at the bottom of the Atlantic with a cargo of Bentleys, Lambos etc.
  
  Total claim was around US$750 million I believe.
  
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  March 9, 2023 10:47am
greybeard

Without exception, any Government department or local body entity which has been renamed with a maori name has immediately become dysfunctional.

Health.
NZTA.
Immigration.
Tertiary Ed.
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March 9, 2023 8:54am
- RoboRob
  
  Actually i think it was just when Labour came in and removed all their targets and measures. Although its har to tell as all the govt departments have Maori names now and they are all failing.
  
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  March 9, 2023 9:20am
  - kowtow
    
    As is “Aotearoa”.
    
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    March 9, 2023 10:00am
    - Paulus
      
      I refuse to call New Zealand that new word and ignore anything in a language I do not understand or speak.
      
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      March 9, 2023 3:14pm
  - Matt Long
    
    It’s a pretty shitty way to denigrate Maori, change the department’s names to Moari words then turn them into a complete shambles.
    Regressives, hating people of colour, since… Forever.
    
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    March 9, 2023 10:11am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Strange. Half of Canadians want Socialism – but they don’t want to pay for it.
Talk about uneducated. Did Canada burn all of the history books already?
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/half-of-canadians-support-socialism-but-they-don-t-want-to-pay-for-it/ss-AA18msAK?
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March 9, 2023 8:58am
- RoboRob
  
  Not really strange. All the people who want socialism don’t actually want it for themselves, just others. There are countless videos online where someone proposing socialism is asked questions like ‘have you chosen to pay additional taxes’, the answer is always no, but I will when everyone else is. Same as celebs / greens who tell people not to have multiple houses, car pool, dont fly (esp not in a private jet) etc. Its always do as I say not as I do.
  
  nb : In the US you can choose to pay additional taxes of any amount, its a tick box on the tax forms that allows you to donate to the government.
  
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  March 9, 2023 9:24am
I remember when

Just for context.
Milford Sound is one of the wettest places in the world.
They average 182 days win rain a year and a mean average rainfall of 6,813mm.

Perhaps a lot of Cyclone Gabrielle destruction was the result of man-made change.
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March 9, 2023 8:59am
103PapPap

Anyone thought about the ludicrous situation within the Labour and Greens coalition where one party wants to minimise air travel to reduce climate emissions, and the other wants to spend $30 billion to build a light rail system to make it quicker and easier to get to Auckland airport.
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March 9, 2023 9:06am
- RoboRob
  
  Is that the same land where one wants no new roads and no money spent on maintenance but wants extra buses?
  
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  March 9, 2023 9:26am
Maggie Pie

Unfortunately, with us having to be in Sydney, it’s meant we’ve missed the Census.

Looks like some of the responses they receive may well raise an eyebrow…..

https://twitter.com/domestickterror/status/1632539743631310849

LOL!!
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March 9, 2023 9:06am
- Ghost
  
  I hope he supplied a magnifying glass so stats can work out what it is
  
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  March 9, 2023 9:18am
Gravelroad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/131164490/how-wool-has-come-to-be-seen-as-worse-for-the-environment-than-synthetics
Look out sheep, the carpet manufacturers are coming for ewe.
Wool bad, oil-based synthetics good.
This article and “study” are just a beat-up about fierce competition around carpet manufacturing and selling.
Carpet makers have had a fine old time in recent years selling cheap synthetic carpets with little competition.
Now there is competition from a resurrected wool carpet market – and they do not like it.
At all.
But, of course, the synthetic/oil based product marketeers will have the support of the anti-farming lobby.
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March 9, 2023 9:07am
- Ehlana
  
  The “synthetic good” case seems to be based on it being recyclable. Is there actually an industry recycling synthetic carpet in New Zealand? What products is it recycled into? What percentage of the product is captured for recycling?
  
  The article didn’t answer (or even ask) those questions. If we’re phasing out fossil fuels (which we’re not really), synthetics cannot be a future option.
  
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  March 9, 2023 9:33am
  - Matt Long
    
    I guess synthetic carpets don’t shed off microplastics? Aren’t flammable? Don’t give off toxic fumes when new.
    
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    March 9, 2023 10:19am
- Bob
  
  Once we stop pumping oil from the ground, there will be no product to manufacture synthetic carpet from.
  
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  March 9, 2023 11:42am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

So Mr Labour Lite says pay freezes for public servants might need to go. So he is selling out to buy votes? These people are already getting paid very well for doing sweet fuck all.
“Since 2020, pay rises for public servants who earn more than $100,000 have been banned except in exceptional circumstances.”
Earned it? Paid it, but highly unlikely earned it.
This shows just how far left Luxon is.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/tough-for-people-luxon-says-pay-freeze-on-public-servants-might-need-to-go-but-they-need-to-perform-better/ar-AA18kWw0?
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March 9, 2023 9:11am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  There is one other thing in there.
  ‘history has shown when National last cut public servants, the quality of services decreased.’
  Why is that? One reason, they sacked the wrong people. They left the diehards there, the deadwood, the ones who have always been useless.
  
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  March 9, 2023 9:15am
  - RoboRob
    
    What BS. I don’t believe that at all. I am pretty sure under the Key govt they reduced the size of govt by about 5% and services improved.
    
    Checked the linked story, its by ‘William Hewett’. He is variously descrived as
    
    ‘William is a news producer at Newshub digital’
    
    or more accurately
    
    ‘Sports Journalist | Online Digital News Producer | Multimedia Professional’ for discovery inc.
    
    https://nz.linkedin.com/in/williamhewett
    
    So hes a sports journalist writing an attack piece on National. Biased much?
    
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    March 9, 2023 9:32am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Does not change the fact that the Public Sector is way overloaded with “deadwood” rotten deadwood.
      
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      March 9, 2023 9:51am
      - RoboRob
        
        Or the fact that growing said public sector (as this govt has) hsan’t improved any public services but has instead made them all worse.
        
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        March 9, 2023 10:09am
    - Prince
      
      I recall measurements like medical response times etc improved under National.
      Of course that was in the old days when we took measurements, and published them.
      Labour has removed most measurements, and hide the rest in their deeply politicised bloated public ‘service’.
      
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      March 9, 2023 11:48am
Ghost

Interesting. Can the South Island please leave Aotearoa while we are at it, we will just unhook the undersea power cables holding us together and drift away from the madness.

A Texas state lawmaker filed a bill on Monday that would set a referendum for voters to decide whether the state should explore the possibility of seceding from the United States.

If the measure — known as the TEXIT Referendum Act — passes, a referendum on whether Texas “should reassert its status as an independent nation” would be scheduled for the next general election on Nov. 7, 2023. The bill would also require potential plans to be presented to the state legislature.

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March 9, 2023 9:44am
- Blog-aholic
  
  The Mainland Republic has always simmered….cut the cable is the catch cry.
  
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  March 9, 2023 9:54am
  - MCōs
    
    Give the naming rights to Fonterra and China could install John Key as proxy President working remotely from Auckland.
    
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    March 9, 2023 2:50pm
- Ehlana
  
  Sadly Ghost, it would appear from the proposed 3-5 waters structures that a chunk of the lower North Island, including Wellington itself, cannot be separated from the South Island.
  
  I don’t think the rest of the North Island would mind a land border so much, but do you really want Wellington?
  
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  March 9, 2023 9:54am
  - Ghost
    
    Sorry no, Wellington belongs to the North Island, we don’t want their slums
    
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    March 9, 2023 9:57am
    - RoboRob
      
      Could we split the country as Wellington as Aeoteroa and everything else as NZ?
      
      I would be happy with that as long as they keep TVNZ and RNZ and make the broadcasts only availble to the citizens of Wellington.
      
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      March 9, 2023 10:13am
      - Ghost
        
        That could be workable.
        
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        March 9, 2023 10:18am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Chuck Schumer wants Fox to stop Tucker Carlson.
What on earth are the Democrats afraid of??
https://valiantnews.com/2023/03/furious-chuck-schumer-begs-fox-news-to-cancel-tuckers-second-jan-6-expose/
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March 9, 2023 9:53am
- mawm
  
  Light! Like all cockroaches.
  
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  March 9, 2023 12:46pm
- Sideoiler
  
  …What on earth are the Democrats afraid of??
  
  Being found out!
  
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  March 9, 2023 12:50pm
- emmess
  
  The truth!!!
  
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  March 9, 2023 1:03pm
virtualmark

Texas secession is an interesting idea.

Most people view Texas vs White (1869 Supreme Court case) as permanently resolving that Texas cannot secede from the United States.

But note that if Texas were to secede then that would almost permanently hand the Presidency to the Democrats. And likely control of the Senate and House too.
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March 9, 2023 10:00am
- virtualmark
  
  ^^ Sorry, meant to be in reply to Ghost’s post at 9:44am
  
  [Mod – repost and I will delete this if you want]
  
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  March 9, 2023 10:08am
- Matt Long
  
  The GOP will just swing left like National has here it Texas absconded.
  
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  March 9, 2023 10:30am
Maggie Pie

And looks like it’s been ‘all-go’ here in the last few days.

White Supremicist appears in Napier District Court is sentenced to over 9 years jail…..

https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/1633311389543546880
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March 9, 2023 10:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What a lovely specimen.
  
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  March 9, 2023 1:02pm
Paulus

It is suggested today that there are now over 1,000,000 New Zealanders living in Australia and this is increasing daily.
In addition there may be 200,000 other ones living elsewhere in the World.
So make a mokery of the Census product without being fiddled to increase the Maori (whoever they are) population and Maori Parliamentary Seats.
Wonder whether we will hear the full census numbers – doubt it – only selected ones.
After all Shaw is I believe the relevent Minister still.
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March 9, 2023 10:09am
- Prince
  
  No, Shaw was ‘moved on’ after the last shambles.
  Minister is now some Labour luvvie I think.
  
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  March 9, 2023 11:50am
  - Ghost
    
    Dr Deborah Russell
    
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    March 9, 2023 11:55am
    - Paulus
      
      Wasn’t she claimed a Labour’s top Tax expert from Auckland University, but still appears to be offside as she was once touted as a leading to be Minister.
      What has she done only to get Statistics/Census ?
      
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      March 9, 2023 3:19pm
- MCōs
  
  At the last Australian census a couple of years ago a little over half a million of the population were born in NZ. 559,980 to be precise
  England is closest to a million with 967,390
  
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  March 9, 2023 2:28pm
  - Paulus
    
    Times may have changed statistically but we will see.
    
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    March 9, 2023 3:20pm
I remember when

Some very interesting figures in HB Today.
Hawke’s Bay Rainfall Report:
Rainfall showing the percentage of the 30 year average.
Maps showing increase of rainfall from February 2020, through February 2021,2022 and 2023.
Graphs show results as a percentage of their 30 year average total.

An interesting point is that, if the four years are averaged (no indication of years prior to graphs), the rainfall would, in many cases, be reasonably close to average over the four years.
So 2020 is El Nino,2021/2023 are La Nina, so what happens if, as expected, they swing back to El Nino.
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March 9, 2023 10:09am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/our-dargaville-event-is-tonight/
Pera Paniora is there. A Kaipara Councilor in Dargaville?? Who is paying for her activism? Free Speech wins!
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March 9, 2023 10:21am
I remember when

Second-wettest summer in North Island: Dom Post.
Also in article that it was the fifth-driest in the South Island.

Niwa said the La Nina has resulted in more easterly and northeasterly flow than usual drawing warm and humid air from the tropics and sub-tropics.
This (PARTLY, Niwa says) explains why persistently wet and cloudy weather was experienced in northern and eastern parts of both islands with sunnier and drier conditions in west and south of both islands.
Temperatures in Greymouth, Westport and Arapito on the West Coast were the hottest and West Coast, Hokitika and Taranaki among sunniest locations to date in 2023.
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March 9, 2023 10:22am
Ghost

What a useless minister, but no surprise there. Pathetic

Having waited two weeks for a response from the Minister for the Environment David Parker – about receiving Resource Management Act (RMA) relief to conduct essential flood-recovery work – Federated Farmers got a letter on Tuesday.

In it, the minister essentially told Federated Farmers national president Andrew Hoggard he’d heard his concerns, but little had been decided.

Federated Farmers had sought legislative change, citing the Hurunui/Kaikoura Earthquakes Emergency Relief Act of 2016, to build temporary bridges and access routes across the Hawke’s Bay hinterland.

Some Hawke’s Bay farmers have been unable to access the outside world, let alone get to stranded stock, since Cyclone Gabrielle hit.

Hawke’s Bay Federated Farmers president Jim Galloway said after three weeks, morale and supplies are low, and animals need to be taken off a number of farms ahead of winter.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/cyclone-gabrielle-no-you-cant-breach-the-rma-to-fix-your-farm-in-hawkes-bay-not-yet/DME2FLVVXVFBFM3VTKHH3YIS4E/
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March 9, 2023 10:22am
Maggie Pie

TRENDING

Unless I’m reading it wrong, going by the message on his Tee-Shirt…. the Member-for-Tijuana may not be as ‘gay’ as he makes out?

https://twitter.com/ohana_tawagoto/status/1631857283071356929

(To think people like that are appointed to Select-Committees. SHEESH!!)
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March 9, 2023 10:54am
Maggy Wassilieff

The media continues its little charade of being our source of unbiased investigative journalism.

Today it performs a hit job on Luxon because he didn’t know the Ministry of Health is independent of Health NZ Te Whatu Ora.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/03/christopher-luxon-confuses-health-nz-te-whatu-ora-with-ministry-of-health-when-putting-comms-staff-in-firing-line.html

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/485593/national-mps-follow-luxon-s-line-of-attack-on-public-service-contractors

Well who does understand the structure of NZ’s Health system now?

As far as I can tell the Min of Health is the Overall lead agency of Health

The Ministry of Health is the chief steward of the health system, leading health across government
https://www.health.govt.nz/new-zealand-health-system/overview-health-system

So was Luxon wrong, or is the MSM just nit-picking, trying to protect Labour and its profligate ways?
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March 9, 2023 10:56am
- Tricati
  
  I would put money on the MSM running a deflection as the tenant of Luxon’s argument still stands, that being, there’s to many in the Health bureaucracy and the system is breaking down.
  Luxon and Willis have struck a cord with their attackes on wasteful spending, as the facts speak for themselves. No amount of BS or bluster from Hipkins, or the MSM, can hide the facts Labour has pissed a great deal of tax payers money up the wall.
  
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  March 9, 2023 11:35am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  “The Ministry of Health is the chief steward of the health system, leading health across government”
  Bit like Watercare Services and Auckland Transport are not part of Auckland City Council? They are. If either goes tits up, they are covered by the Council.
  
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  March 9, 2023 12:21pm
- Jack5
  
  Labour’s strategem of turning ministries into tiers is part of its ethnonationalist carve-up of New Zealand.
  
  Labour takes an old Ministry, leaves it officially, but in effect only notionally, in charge, then creates executive divisions under it: one Maori, one non-Maori.
  
  These divisions have the power. A bit like constitutional monarchy. The old Ministry is the nominal and ceremonial chief, but the departments below have the power.
  
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  March 9, 2023 3:50pm
Ghost

Good video on Auckland

They didn’t let me into Auckland, New Zealand!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq6uKF9a76k&t=13s
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March 9, 2023 11:03am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I thought it was hilarious, but Facebook didn’t.
  They covered it and said false information!
  I am sure one of the children fact checkers are on my case.
  
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  March 9, 2023 12:26pm
  - mawm
    
    Me too, but I did have to watch an advert filled with misinformation telling me to get my booster!
    
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    March 9, 2023 12:53pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      What advert?
      Adblock Plus. Stopping 14 now.
      
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      March 9, 2023 3:25pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

A few words from Tucker Carlson on those who want to silence him. I gues the Dems forgot about free speech.
https://valiantnews.com/2023/03/tucker-carlson-responds-to-chuck-schumers-hysteria-and-panic-over-jan-6-footage/
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March 9, 2023 11:24am
- fernglas
  
  Tucker Carlson seems to be all about paid-for, rather than free, speech
  https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/mar/08/tucker-carlson-hates-trump-capitol-footage
  
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  March 9, 2023 3:41pm
Sparrow

Something completely different. Entitlement seems to be the refrain today. Just heard a classic example on the news. Auckland Zoo is to reduce its entrance charge whilst increasing parking charge. So who are protesting ? Students at Western Springs College who apparently park there as its just across the road from the college. I thought this generation was for reducing climate change driving to school instead of walking using cycleways. I give up the hypocrisy continues.
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March 9, 2023 11:47am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  Took the day off to go to the cricket at Hagley Oval. Judging by the school aged kids here the anti truancy programme is not working 😂
  
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  March 9, 2023 12:04pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    School Strike for Cricket?
    
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    March 9, 2023 1:11pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Parking charge. Something just lit up.
  A while back the parking fees were going to a place it shouldn’t and being trousered.
  Can’t find any trace of it now. Was it a Councillor?
  
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  March 9, 2023 12:33pm
- Ehlana
  
  And by parking there, make going to the zoo harder for families with young children, or older people – the sort of folks who would go to the zoo during the school day.
  
  Sorry, young people, parking is for people who are paying customers of the enterprise and who need to park close by – not for young limbs who are not even going in.
  
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  March 9, 2023 4:00pm
Ghost

I was wondering the other day how different the census was from 2013, the UN have a copy of the 2013 census if anyone wants to look

https://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/sources/census/quest/NZL2013enIn.pdf
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March 9, 2023 11:52am
Ghost

So the minister is using figures that aren’t accurate but hey they are as accurate as we can get them at the moment but we agree they aren’t accurate. Wtf. I need a Disprin, this government and its cock ups are giving me a headache trying to understand them

Te Whatu Ora admits figures used by Health Minister are ‘not accurate’

Te Whatu Ora national medical director Pete Watson said the figures were “as accurate as we’ve got them at the moment”, but “clearly [are] not accurate”.

Nz herald
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March 9, 2023 12:12pm
- Swifty
  
  Numbers are either accurate or not accurate.
  
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  March 9, 2023 1:18pm
- Cinematic
  
  I read that and thought what an extraordinarily ‘public servant type response.
  
  The numbers are abject nonsense but it’s the best nonsense numbers we have.
  
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  March 9, 2023 2:09pm
Ghost

ACT leader David Seymour has slammed Green MP Chlöe Swarbrick’s call for a windfall tax on banks as they chalk up record profits, describing it as Donald Trump-esque.

Newshub

Are you sure about the David?

President Joe Biden’s threat to impose a windfall profits tax on oil companies is unlikely to pass in the U.S. Congress

Article
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March 9, 2023 12:21pm
- Inandout
  
  Ghost, David occasionally makes some dumb mistakes, comes with relative youth I suppose.
  
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  March 9, 2023 3:02pm
- Jack5
  
  Seymour is right. Banks didn’t cause the bubble.
  
  The State owned or subsidised news bloc, Ardern-Hipkins Media Inc, is helping Labour divert anxiety about the economy and inflation away from the Government and the Reserve Bank. Robertson and Orr did throw petrol on the property-price fire (apologies for mixing metaphors) through their crazed money printing by bond issues.
  
  We’re lucky banks are flush with money ahead of hard times. They boomed during a property bubble that they didn’t cause, though they reaped profits from it. If banks hadn’t made the loans, less regulated, non-bank lenders would have.
  
  Don’t forget the continual cheers of publicity in the media: Auckland house prices up another X, Wellington property up another Y, and features about house buying in rich countries.
  
  Perhaps some hurting householders can sue advisers or mortgage “consultants” who encouraged them to take the bait.
  
  For the rest of us, there’s some comfort because the NZ Government won’t need to bail out big, Australian-owned banks in the coming rough time.
  
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  March 9, 2023 3:36pm
Gravelroad

Mr David Seymour has a post on social media today asking what is the point of the taxpayer funded Human Rights Commission.
1, 2, 3, Go:
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March 9, 2023 1:33pm
- Colville
  
  **tumbleweeds**
  
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  March 9, 2023 2:46pm
- rouppe
  
  I made a complaint to the HRC over that poem, that incitement to kill was in need of a clear and firm statement that it was racist and amounted to hate speech.
  
  I got a reply that basically said that the threshold for hate speech was very high in S61 of the Human Rights Act and as such their view was that it didn’t meet that threshold.
  
  So I replied and referred them to three instances when the Human Rights Commission via Meng Foon had made public statements labelling as racism name-calling, saying the Treaty was past its use-by date, and SHane Jones saying everyone comes here from New Delhi.
  
  I said they were craven, weak and cowardly if they were happy to comment publicly on those occasions but were being silent on someone calling for carloads to cruise around looking for white people to kill.
  
  I’m not expecting a reply
  
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  March 9, 2023 3:18pm
  - Swifty
    
    Good on you rouppe
    
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    March 9, 2023 3:53pm
Alex

Some of Robbos consultancy 10m plus dollars could have provided wheat storage in Ukraine.
Mahuta very mean spirited.
No chance of her starving.
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March 9, 2023 1:47pm
Alex

No wonder Luxon got mixed up with his Maori Ministries , no translation I noticed.
Would not happen anywhere else in the world.
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March 9, 2023 1:50pm
Maggie Pie

A fabulous piece of New Zealand history has come up for sale…

Bayley’s RE are now advertising Motuketekete on the Open-Market.
My partner was sent details of the listing a few weeks ago to see if he was interested.
It is beautiful, but my biggest reservation was the lack of shops.

Thort it worth sharing with the group….

https://oneroof.co.nz/motuketekete-island-gulf-harbour-rodney-auckland-1884035
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March 9, 2023 1:56pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  Thought it through and then turned the money over in my pocket……
  
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  March 9, 2023 1:59pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, then a bed of KFC bones were found and that is now Maori land.
  
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  March 9, 2023 2:59pm
Bobba Fret

“Former Labour minister Ruth Dyson has admitted she has not read the code of conduct governing her position as a Crown entity board member.”
So if she is too lazy or stupid to read this, is she fit to hold the position if she doesn’t know what’s in the code of conduct?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/485535/former-labour-mp-ruth-dyson-caught-up-in-political-neutrality-crackdown
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March 9, 2023 2:13pm
- Stu2
  
  Her interview was appalling
  
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  March 9, 2023 4:49pm
Jack5

Chris Trotter has been on fire writing at his Bowalley Road blog. The latest post, highlighting ethno-nationalism, includes:

New Zealand is currently living through another top-down revolution. Though far from complete, it has already captured control of the commanding heights of the public service, the schools and universities, the funding mechanisms of cultural production, and big chunks of the mainstream news media.

The ideology driving this revolution is not neoliberalism, it’s ethnonationalism. A potent amalgam of indigenous mysticism and neo-tribal capitalism has captured the imagination of the professional and managerial class and is relying on the latter’s administrative power and influence to drive through a revolutionary transformation of New Zealand society under the battle-flags of “indigenisation” and “decolonisation”. The glue which holds this alliance of Māori and Non-Māori elites together is Pakeha guilt.

https://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com/2023/03/the-revolution-has-begun.html
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March 9, 2023 2:54pm
Jack5

China’s Communist Government has evolved a quieter form of control of its booming companies — quieter than direct confrontation, reports the Wall Street Journal.

“The government stakes are sometimes very small, like the 1% holding that a fund of Beijing’s cyberspace watchdog recently took in the digital-media unit of e-commerce giant Alibaba Group Holding Ltd.

But they tend to give the government board seats, voting power and sway over business decisions.

Colloquially, they are known as golden shares.

A more economic form of State control than the NZ Government’s 51 per cent of Air New Zealand.
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March 9, 2023 3:02pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  That’s pretty much what Co-Governance does. 5+ Waters is the same thing except they don’t technically have any actual shares.
  
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  March 9, 2023 4:16pm
- Mike
  
  I can’t tell if you want the government to sell off its stake in Air NZ (again) or buy the half it doesn’t already own.
  
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  March 9, 2023 5:07pm
ex-golfer

The latest TPU poll shows how politically ignorant a large portion of New Zealanders are with Labour regaining the lead.
Close to 40% of the population have clearly forgotten what miserable failure this govt has been on almost all of their major policy platforms.
New Zealand gets what it deserves and will continue to fall further and further away from being a 1st world, highly productive country.
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March 9, 2023 3:06pm
- Ghost
  
  Put it down to the cyclone and Auckland flooding, chippy has been all over the media and everyone else has been mainly ignored.
  
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  March 9, 2023 3:11pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    Yep – nothing like politicising a disaster to prop up incompetence.
    
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    March 9, 2023 3:33pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      I take it then that you have joined National/ACT, financially contributed and are on the door knocking team. Surely you are not just moaning in the KB echo chamber hoping this will help change things …. 🙂
      
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      March 9, 2023 3:51pm
      - Mike
        
        That’s an unusual take. I’ve always assumed that people commenting on Kiwiblog express exactly the same views and behaviors in real life as they do online.
        
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        March 9, 2023 5:06pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    And all that has happened is he has taken some of the greens support
    
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    March 9, 2023 6:37pm
Ghost

I have a load of respect for people like this young lady. I hope she can get the respect she deserves.

Most people in their early 20s would be out partying, drinking, going on dates and travelling budget-style as they embrace their youth.

But unlike the rest of her peers, 21-year-old Hunter Nelson has forgone the party life and instead is a fulltime parent to her teenager.

Being a 21-year-old with a 15-year-old child has been an immense struggle, with Nelson saying teachers and other parents don’t take her seriously.

Most people in their early 20s would be out partying, drinking, going on dates and travelling budget-style as they embrace their youth.

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March 9, 2023 3:35pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  She clearly cares a great deal for her sister.
  
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  March 9, 2023 4:03pm
- Ehlana
  
  Better writing would have said “fulltime guardian to her teenage sister.”
  
  Fulltime does suggest she isn’t working. The article doesn’t mention either work or study, so I wonder how she is supporting the two of them.
  
  Good on her for taking this on though. I hope they both get the support they need.
  
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  March 9, 2023 4:47pm
  - Ghost
    
    She is working part time while studying to be a teacher.
    
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    March 9, 2023 5:07pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      Thx for posting Ghost.
      You’ve got no idea of the shite I came in for when people found out I had a 1-year-old at 16.
      
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      March 9, 2023 7:18pm
      - Colville
        
        Maggie.
        I have been to a 40th birthday party where the 40yr old had her 25 year old son there.
        Both great people.
        
        Also I knew a couple of great old dears, (both dead now) heavy church goers, married 70 years, she got pregnant at 12 and she is sure the deed was done on church grounds! They married the day she turned 16.
        
        Upon reflection…maybe I just hang around with bad people!! 🙂
        
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        March 9, 2023 8:22pm
thirteenstars

Taxpayers’ Union-Curia poll today, from their email:

For the first time in a year, Labour has taken the lead on 35.5% up 1.1 points on last month while National is on 34.8% up 0.4 points on last month.

ACT is down 2.4 points to 9.3% while the Greens have dropped 2.1 points to 5.7%. This is perilously close to the 5% threshold for getting seats in Parliament (unless Chlöe Swarbrick can hold onto her Auckland Central electorate).

New Zealand First, on the other hand, sees a boost of 1.3 points to 4.2% – within striking distance of re-entering Parliament. The Māori Party is on 1.4 per cent – down 0.7 points – and will again have to rely on holding at least one electorate to get any list seats.

Other smaller parties were the New Conservatives on 2.5% ( 1.7 points), TOP on 1.7% (-0.3 points), Vision NZ on 0.8% ( 0.6 points) and Democracy NZ on 0.5% (-0.4 points).

Assuming all current electorates are held, this would mean 49 seats for Labour (up 3 seats on last month), 48 seats for National (up 2), 13 for ACT (down 2), 8 for the Greens (down 2), and 2 for the Māori Party (down 1).

This means that the Centre-Right bloc could still just form a government on 61 seats while the Centre-Left picks up 1 seat to be on 57.

Chris Hipkins’s net favourability rating continues to soar and now sits at 33% up 6 points from last month’s poll. The prime minister also now has a positive net favourability rating with National voters of 13% up 17 points from -4% last month.

Christopher Luxon’s net favourability has increased by 3 points from -5% to -2%. ACT leader, David Seymour, sees a 12-point bounce to 1%.

Seymour huge bounce but ACT down by what appears to the same margin of increase for National plus New Conservatives. NZ First with a shot and I bet that’s all down to the refreshing sanity that Peters has been displaying in his public commentary on Sky News Australia and on The Platform, and I’m not a big fan of his but credit where due.

Green vote down, probably a bit went to Labour, but National might like to take note: Luxon & Co. have been hitting the man-made killer cyclone narrative almost as hard as the Greens and it might be holding them back. National’s Teal flag waving needs to stop. Once the middle class cotton on to the lie of Net Zero and no new roads for their expensive electric cars the backlash won’t be kind to anyone pushing that agenda.
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March 9, 2023 3:59pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Do now you lot are suggesting Nats won’t build roads? Where the he’ll have they said that? They have not, they are saying they will be building good roads
  
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  March 9, 2023 4:41pm
  - thirteenstars
    
    Because the are true Net Zero believers, as Luxon has stated, and they are man-made killer cyclone believers, as Luxon has stated, and because there can be no dissention in the ranks, which Luxon has stated, or you’re in the Pugh.
    
    More roads means more nasty capitalistic middle class folks going about their nasty capitalistic middle class business. And Net Fucking Zero says no to that. And anyone who is delusional enough to think otherwise apparently has a home in the National Party along with the man-made killer cyclone believers waving Teal flags.
    
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    March 9, 2023 9:00pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Peters remains a cancer on NZ – as he’s proven time and time again to NZ’s immense cost.
  
  What’s the best country to emigrate to as a middle aged man in 2024?
  
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  March 9, 2023 5:41pm
  - MCōs
    
    Depending on your financial situation, if that is all you worry about, NZ may be the place for you.
    
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    March 9, 2023 7:39pm
- greybeard
  
  People who think Hipkins is PM material are (1) bereft of any memory and (2) harbouring maternal instincts towards a baby-faced smarmy prick.
  
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  March 9, 2023 6:41pm
- coge
  
  Won’t take much for National, under Chris Luxon, to lose in 2023. It’s going to have to go well for them, from now on. Which seldom happens in politics. No longer any margin for hiccups, scandals, or maladroit positions.
  
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  March 9, 2023 7:30pm
jon

Latest Taxpayer poll shows the C/R overall have dropped 4% since the Jan Taxpayer poll! That should be very disturbing to those, myself included who vote either National or Act.
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March 9, 2023 4:57pm
Herodotus

We are told that “There had been an error in the spreadsheet and one of the two quality assurance checks didn’t happen.”. Well why did the only QA of the numbers not pick up that they were wrong and why did not the minister have a good “feel” to also not question them ??
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131450139/te-whatu-ora-reviewing-all-health-data-after-ed-mistake
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March 9, 2023 5:31pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/131453258/councillor-walks-out-during-karakia-noone-was-listening-anyway
I like this guy. A few more like him and Wayne Brown and things might improve.
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March 9, 2023 6:26pm
Maggie Pie

‘Over 3 million people still haven’t completed the Census’.

– OneEwes (6pm 9/03/’23)
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March 9, 2023 6:58pm
- cmm
  
  The precedent has been set:
  
  Wait for the KFC handout.
  
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  March 9, 2023 7:27pm
- kowtow
  
  Which might mean most of us didn’t want to do it on line .
  
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  March 9, 2023 8:55pm
Prince

Health Minister issues statistics that show ED times have improved. Oh Joy.
Shane Reti says the figures are rubbish.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018881046/national-party-on-contested-emergency-department-data

Nine hours later, Te Whatu Ora apologises for issuing rubbish figures.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/485599/te-whatu-ora-admits-figures-used-by-health-minister-are-not-accurate

Three questions:
Why was the error not picked up by the Minister, or Te Whatu Ora management ? Are they so out of touch they think response times could have improved from 50% to 90% ?

Is Te Whatu Ora staffed by people unable to build a spreadsheet ? Unable to review data that shows such an out-of-range improvement ?

How good is Shane Reti at his job ? How much better would NZ Health Ministries be with him at the helm.
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March 9, 2023 7:10pm
Prince

Interesting to look at the ownership behind the raw chicken supplier, Bell Produce.
https://www.bellsproduceltd.com/about-us
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March 9, 2023 7:15pm
thirteenstars

That might be true, but they also might elect him, and after all they elected a toothsome lank-brunette of the World Socialist Youth and former fish and chip shop worker to lead this country. And she became Saint Jacinda of Aotearoa.

To closely paraphrase H.L. Mencken: nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the New Zealand public.

So, a boyish carrot can easily be made King if the people are hungry enough for boyish carrot. And if you’re objective, he has a certain charm, an apparent lack of artifice, a Mad Magazine type of… thing:

https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5d38c026347b0e000865de67/master/w_2560,c_limit/Jordan-MadMagazine-1.jpg

Hippy, Chippy, whatever, he’s doing just fine. The other Chris, Luxon, has all his work ahead of him. And I wish I could say that I could tell a huge difference, in long-term consequences for this country, between Chris H. and Chris L., but I can’t, and the polls reflect this.
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March 9, 2023 7:24pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It’s hard to believe that any food provider could be so inept to mistake an uncooked crumbed chicken breast for a cooked product.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/03/09/school-lunch-provider-that-served-raw-chicken-tenders-stood-down/

I would hazard a guess that the person(s) who packed the lunches was/were untrained /uncertificated food handlers and that the organization with the Kaitaia School lunch contract had lousy/ nil quality control procedures.
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March 9, 2023 8:10pm
- Ghost
  
  Happened at McDonald’s because the chicken was bigger than it should have been
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300593264/mcdonalds-recalls-chicken-mcbites-batch-new-zealandwide-over-raw-product-complaint
  
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  March 9, 2023 8:18pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I don’t think the chicken in the Kaitaia case had even been anywhere near a heat source.
    
    Undercooked chicken is not good… but serving uncooked chicken is complete dereliction of the basic task of providing a cooked product.
    
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    March 9, 2023 8:43pm
    - Ghost
      
      I have looked at the photo on the herald and there looks like a little bit of white. So very minimal heat, may of baked the outside just, would explain why the person packing it thought it was cooked and why the kids didn’t realise it wasn’t cooked when picking it up
      
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/kaitaia-college-raw-chicken-education-ministry-drops-bells-produce-over-lunches/EFA6ALL35ZBTTDATOPXQ2W4IMQ/
      
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      March 9, 2023 8:48pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yeah, I’ve looked too…and it looks like the white is soggy bread crumb/flour mix… not cooked meat fibres.
        
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        March 9, 2023 9:06pm
      - Ghost
        
        Yeah, this is a much better pic than the herald one
        
        https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=587441709947026&set=p.587441709947026&type=3
        
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        March 9, 2023 9:15pm

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