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Opie

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/03/chris-hipkins-formally-corrects-record-in-parliament-over-tax-haul-mistake.html

Hipkins accepting he talks rubbish. Imagine if luxon got the numbers so wrong?

I can’t beleive they can have it so wrong and spout on about things unpunished.

This should be front page stuff, but no its hidden in the depths where it won’t be seen.

Ask your average dumb kiwi if government tax take has increased or decreased – they will have no idea. It’s already hard enough out there and they take more of your money to do unnecessary things that you don’t want.

“In one of my answers to a supplementary question from David Seymour, in response to the question concerned, I said that Government tax revenue as a proportion of GDP had declined under this Government. It hasn’t.”

As if it would with [ Mod : you know better than that ] Robertson around.

The HYEFU at the end of last year showed that core Crown tax revenue was projected to be $118.1 billion, up from $108.5 billion in 2022. That was the first time it’s crossed the $100 billion threshold.

No wonder they keep wasting your money, they have just taken 10% more of it! Times aren’t tough for the government.

The article then notes that government expenses have also grown from $125.6 billion in 2022 to an expected $129.3 billion this year.

Most middle of the road branch managers in any industry around the country could do a better job of managing the books than these clowns.
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December 8, 2022 8:19am
- Prince
  
  Charles Dickens’s character Wilkins Micawber warned eloquently of debt’s downside: “Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pound ought and six, result misery.”
  So after five years of driving Govt Debt up to $150B, are we entitled to ask ‘what’s the PLAN, Grant ?’
  
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  March 8, 2023 9:06am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He is putting out fires daily. The lies he had yo correct in the house, the fact Nash is wearing with the Nats that they have to give proof of the road workers having a gun pointed at them by gangs when they made the complaint, the fact that the canned merger still sees staff and board receiving 1000s a day, Wood saying road money going into cycle ways and buses, canned by lunchtime, if he is still polling Labour at 38% I will eat my hat
    
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    March 8, 2023 9:44am
    - leoj
      
      You might want to add some marmalade to your hat, make it taste better.
      NZ public perceive that the the two major parties are virtually identical (as bad a each other) and the polling will reflect that.
      When Luxon grows a pair, then things might change but he’s a leftist plant with a blue tie, just like Key.
      
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      March 8, 2023 1:38pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Rubbish, if you think Labour hasn’t lost a large amount of support since the initial slight bump in January then you can have a marmalade cocktail, I have not heard one person in my circles waffle the ACT bullshittery, or anyone at work, you have your opinion, I have mine, ask ya self why no leaked internals since January? Why no one news poll? By the way I hate marmalade, stuck where the sun don’t shine thanks
        
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        March 8, 2023 2:56pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        Giant: Rose’s Lime Marmalade is the only way to go.
        
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        March 8, 2023 7:26pm
- RoboRob
  
  The whole ‘as a proportion of’ arguement needs to stop now. It is incredibly misleading and thats why Labour are using it.
  
  First we have Robertson saying ‘Debt is decreasing / we have decreased debt …. as a proportion of GDP’ People hear ‘debt decreasing’ but that’s not at all true.
  
  Then we have Chippies ‘Tax take is decreasing …… as a proportion of DGP. People hear taxes down and this one turns out to not even be true.
  
  Yesterday we have the education minister saying ‘Unjustified school absences are down’. When presented with figures she insisted that just because the numbers were growing didn’t mean she was wrong. Turns out she was meaning that unjustified absences are a % of total absences we decreasing’. Now that’s just totally misleading and if true, scary shit. That means total absences must be going through the roof.
  
  The media / opposition needs to call out the govt on this misleading crap. The education minister plain up lied and is just using weasel words to justify it.
  
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  March 8, 2023 9:07am
  - Swifty
    
    We are being openly lied to.
    
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    March 8, 2023 9:16am
    - Sideoiler
      
      We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, but they are still lying.” – Attributed to Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn
      
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      March 8, 2023 9:39am
    - Paulus
      
      The media is the main paid for propagator of the Goverment’s lies.
      
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      March 8, 2023 1:11pm
- Simon
  
  Further evidence generally Labo doenst know what the fuck is happening and the running of NZ is down to the so called public sector.
  
  The numbers speak for themselves. New Zealanders are over taxed debt slaves. The govt sector parasites off them.
  
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  March 8, 2023 9:10am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    The woke ecosystem is a self reinforcing fantasy realm funded by other people’s money.
    
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    March 8, 2023 8:09pm
- Matt Long
  
  With inflation of 7.2 percent, the value of money is halving every ten years (I assume everyone factors that into their Kiwisaver returns and feels pleased to be taxed on investment income that is actually losses)
  So it would be expected that government expenditures would increase, however if government spending is increasing as a percentage of GDP it is a clear and absolute failure by the government which is hardly a surprise given their stellar performance in every area.
  
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  March 8, 2023 9:15am
  - Matt Long
    
    Had a hunt through the Herald website for news on this, you have to be better at digging than me to find it, or stories about Maharey, or Pharmac.
    Guess it doesn’t suit The Narrative.
    Interesting for our elections, Scott Adams gave Trump almost 100% chance of winning except the the MSM and Social media companies we’re determined to defeat him. They were successful by spreading hoaxes like the Russian disinformation one, suppressing facts like Hunter’s laptop.
    
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    March 8, 2023 9:23am
- Opie
  
  Hey mod. Just to clarify then…
  
  I have previously said that he spends like an unpopular kid who has got hold of his parents credit card which was allowed.
  
  Today I inferred his name was “hand me my dad’s credit card” which wasn’t allowed.
  
  I need to know what I can say about this guy because before we know it he will be gone into history, with no accountability and massive hole to clean up
  
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  March 8, 2023 11:48am
  - RoboRob
    
    Yeah, if that’s what you said I cant see anything wrong with it. Seems a simple and appropriate analogy. Same as ‘sleepy Joe’ for Joe Biden.
    
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    March 8, 2023 2:38pm
- CAKE FACE1
  
  I’m struggling to find the numbers, but from memory government spending went from $78 billion in 2017 to $150 billion is 2022.
  
  Government spending will probably double in nominal terms in only six years!
  
  The fact that the Mr Hipkins thinks that government spending has gone down over the past five year period is simply chilling.
  
  There should be some kind of accountability for such negligence. Of course, there isn’t any.
  
  I fear for the future for this country.
  
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  March 8, 2023 4:19pm
  - CAKE FACE1
    
    I found the figures (it starts a year later at 2018):
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/115868/budget-202223-summary-all-spending-plans
    
    2018 $81 bn = 27.6% of GDP
    2021 $162 bn = 44.7% of GDP
    2022 $ 150 bn = 38.4% of GDP (estimate)
    
    2021 are bankruptcy style numbers. 2022 are just an estimate. I assume Kommissar Robbo will blow this…
    
    Nobody cares.
    
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    March 8, 2023 4:51pm
    - CAKE FACE1
      
      Should be one year later, as follows:
      
      2018 $81 bn = 27.6% of GDP
      2022 $162 bn = 44.7% of GDP (estimate)
      2023 $ 150 bn = 38.4% of GDP (budget)
      
      2022 are bankruptcy style numbers. 2023 are just budgeted. I assume Kommissar Robbo will blow this…
      
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      March 8, 2023 5:01pm
Scott

Sadly in yet another episode of Wairarapa Road Watch I have no progress to report.

Those hoping to enjoy a day off by going south are frustrated when they find the same cones and the same road works and the same 50kms speed limit stretching almost all the way to Carterton. This morning (Tuesday) there was one solitary digger hacking at some trees. That amount of road works could have been done in 100m of cones. Instead the cones cover almost the entire 15kms from Masterton to Carterton. No other work was being done even though it was a bright sunny day during the working week. This situation has remained in place for at least 12 months.

To frustrate motorists further Carterton to Greytown has a new speed limit of 80kms and Greytown town centre is 40kms.

Our local MP Kieran MacAnulty can do nothing. The road to zero is not his responsibility, he says, he can do nothing about the speed limits of 80kms that extend the length of the province from Masterton to Featherston. He seemingly can do nothing about the never ending road works.

I reckon if National found any decent sort of representative for the Wairarapa electorate they’d romp in at the next election. A government that cannot do the most basic tasks and in fact makes everything worse surely is not fit to govern?

Update – during my return to Masterton I noticed that the digger had left and the only sign of activity over more than 10kms of road works was two young fellows in high viz jackets and hard hats talking and kicking the dirt.
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March 8, 2023 8:04am
- peterwn
  
  National Party members (via delegates) will elect a National candidate in the next few weeks (nominations closed 8 February). So the quality of candidate is really in the hands of people in Wairarapa (compared with Labour where their candidates are selected by unions, Fraser House and Robbo – to hell with what the locals think). Last years National 101 programme located identified some top quality people who are now standing for National in the next election. The National candidate will need all the support from Wairarapa people who want a change of local MP and Government. This includes joining the Party, taking an interest in branch activities, offering to door knock, telephone, leaflet dropping, putting up hoardings etc.
  
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  March 8, 2023 8:42am
  - jon
    
    Peterwn thanks for that info. As a resident of the Wairarapa i have been waiting to see who will be the Nat candidate. Frankly though, this candidate should have been selected much earlier, not about seven months out from the election. Unless the candidate chosen is a well known, he/she is going to be disadvantaged, against the well known incumbent Labour MP.
    
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    March 8, 2023 11:21am
- Ehlana
  
  A transformer was recently replaced near my workplace. The transformer sits on the grass just outside the property and is separated from the road by the (quite wide) footpath and a grass verge. It still required a multitude of cones and an on-site traffic management vehicle with a crew of three who seemed to spend all day just sitting around.
  It must be the most boring job in the world. It’s also an enormous waste of resources.
  
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  March 8, 2023 8:59am
  - Opie
    
    It’s not boring when you are paid $50 an hour after 1 days training
    
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    March 8, 2023 12:34pm
- fisho
  
  I agree Scott. It’s incredible how little work has been done along that stretch over the summer months. There was literally no activity for much of Dec and most of Jan. Would be interesting to understand what the contract includes from a project timeline perspective, the cynic in me suspects the contractor won the tender and is now probably using the excuse that they can’t get enough staff, all the while bidding for more work which will spread their resources even thinner.
  The 80km/h limits are an absolute joke. The roads they’ve been applied to are wide and relatively straight with good visibility, some strategic 70km/h sections would’ve made more sense in areas either side of each town, Clareville and the twin bridges between Carterton & Greytown. God know how much it’s costing to erect a 100km/h sign at every side road intersection.
  I don’t have an issue with 40km/h speed limits in the town centres, lots of cars parked up, kids crossing the main road to get to school, I’ve seen many close calls in Greytown and Carterton, traffic needs to take it easy through those busy areas.
  
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  March 8, 2023 9:03am
  - rouppe
    
    You should count yourself lucky.
    
    SH58 (Haywards Hill) has had road cones for several years already, and it never looks like any progress is made
    
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    March 8, 2023 9:30am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      Likewise the southern SH1 entrance to Whangarei. I don’t know how many years but at least 4 I think. Never anything happening.
      
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      March 8, 2023 7:09pm
Tony Stuart

Parliament yesterday paid tribute to three former MP’s who had died in the last ten days; Chester Borrows, Paul East and Georgina Beyer.

https://ondemand.parliament.nz/parliament-tv-on-demand/?itemId=231164

1News last night made it appear that only Beyer had been acknowledged, making no mention of the two former ministers. This is very poor form from TVNZ, but comes as no surprise. TVNZ should apologise to the Borrows and East families for this partisan slight.
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March 8, 2023 8:07am
- Nickc2
  
  It’s not in their DNA to apologise for anything. They are self-centered arrogant bastards and that goes for their boss (Willie Jackson) as well.
  
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  March 8, 2023 8:11am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    What a terrible Racist statement.//
    Willie will be along to re-educate you shortly.
    
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    March 8, 2023 8:24am
    - Nickc2
      
      There’s nothing racist in the post Steve. If Willie sees it that way, so be it! I couldn’t give a big rat’s arse what Willie thinks.
      
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      March 8, 2023 8:33am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        I know there is nothing Racist. That is what the // is for.
        
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        March 8, 2023 10:26am
    - G152
      
      Will we be able to be as good at racism as Wee Willie then ?
      
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      March 8, 2023 8:50am
- igm
  
  That is not in the survival payment deal. “Stuff” would be (may even be) insolvent if they did not receive taxpayers’ funding.
  Come on Mr Luxon, tell us you will not fund these Marxist leeches.
  
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  March 8, 2023 8:28am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    The hand out to stuff is what Luxon calls waste
    
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    March 8, 2023 2:59pm
- Simon
  
  TVNZ news is entertainment for old people. Perhaps the passing of Borrows & East wasnt entertaining enough?
  
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  March 8, 2023 8:36am
- G152
  
  Just remember who the fake news cared to remember.
  They are earning their pay
  
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  March 8, 2023 8:48am
Grunter

Col Douglas MacGregor (retired US) reports seem to be accurate. Ukraine about to be encircled in Bhakmut with 10,000 or more captured or killed. And Zelenskyy just keeps sending more poor Ukrainians into the slaughter where they have an expected life span of less than a day. Just a horrible senseless war that could be stopped immediately if both NATO and Russia went back to the Minsk Agreement.
Both Zelenskyy and Biden about to look very stupid as Russia rolls further west. NATO have no capacity to respond. Putin will capture and hold the Donbas and Crimea, so then what happens to Biden and Zelenskyy?
Just another US post WW2 cock up!
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March 8, 2023 8:10am
- Ignoranus
  
  Putin’s been planning this war for 20 years and Stoltenberg shit his pants instead of standing up to the little cockroach. Biden didn’t help either. Plus a history of failure, the last being Afghanistan.
  
  Unfortunately it’s going to get worse because the West didn’t send sufficient materiel right at the start, when the poisonous little tyrant was amassing his armour on the border.
  
  Clearly the Ukrainians don’t want to be under Putin’s thumb – it’s not your privilege to decide their future.
  
  [Mod – and it’s not your privilege to make another account and come in and abuse people, tone your posts down]
  
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  March 8, 2023 8:35am
- Simon
  
  Zelensky is a puppet. Its GAE which keeps feeding Ukrainians into the meat grinder.
  
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  March 8, 2023 8:39am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Grunter – just to point out, Russia didn’t leave the Minsk Agreement, and always remember, as revealed by Angela Merkel, NATO never intended adhering to it. It was used as a delaying tactic to give them time to arm and train Ukraine for what they knew was inevitably coming once the Russians realised they had been deceived.
  
  Many people don’t like hearing this inconvenient truth. But it is the truth and nothing can change that. Sadly hundreds of thousands of people are dying because of the machinations of these warmongering monsters.
  
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  March 8, 2023 8:45am
- rangitoto
  
  We have been hearing that for months.
  
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  March 8, 2023 9:06am
- Vory v zakone
  
  Yep Col MacGregor gets his info and stats from the war front. Not from the western media located in Poland and sometimes Kyiv…
  
  https://youtube.com/watch?v=R5bb3bvD5SU&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE
  
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  March 8, 2023 9:29am
- Cinematic
  
  That’s an interesting interpretation of reality.
  
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  March 8, 2023 9:40am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Cinematic – what is your interpretation and how did you arrive at it? I’m curious to know.
    
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    March 8, 2023 10:14am
    - Cinematic
      
      That the Russian military is poorly equipped, poorly run. The Ukrainians have benefited immensely from Western support. That Bakhmut may be ceded by the Ukrainians but is of little strategic importance and will have been won at immense cost to the Russians. That a war Putin expected to win in days will eventually be lost by the Russians in years.
      
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      March 8, 2023 11:22am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Cinematic – what are your sources for your contentions? I doubt the Russians are poorly equipped and run. I do agree the Ukrainians have benefited from Western support, both material, information and logistical. If they hadn’t this would have been over a long time ago.
        Bakhmut won’t be ceded, it will be take the same way Mariupol was. At great cost in men and equipment. Probably on both sides.
        Russia won’t lose this war. Not a chance. We will see thermonuclear war first, this is an existential matter to them.
        We’ll see how it unfolds.
        
        Here’s hoping those pulling the idiot Biden’s strings have some clear thinkers among them and they aren’t all Raytheon, Northrop Grumman and General Dynamics beneficiaries.
        
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        March 8, 2023 3:42pm
      - rangitoto
        
        Ukraine appear to be changing tactics in the Bhakmut area. They have moved most of the regular army out and it is mainly special forces there now. At the same time they have started probing the Wagner flanks from the North and South. They still have all the new gear like the Bradley’s that haven’t been brought in yet. The Bradley’s proved deadly against Russian style armour in the past. 100-1 advantage in the Iraq invasion IIRC. Of course it depends on how well the Ukraine army use them.
        
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        March 8, 2023 4:48pm
- virtualmark
  
  Col MacGregor is a vatnik (just like you are too).
  
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  March 8, 2023 10:07am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Virtualmark – oooh, that hurts, you big meanie. At least it’s a new variation on ‘Putin fanboy’. I bet you called people ‘conspiracy theorists’ and ‘foil hat wearers’ during covid? Because you’re so mature? lol
    
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    March 8, 2023 3:44pm
    - virtualmark
      
      [Mod – people should be free to have open discussion here. There is no need to label someone because they have a different view, right or wrong]
      
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      March 8, 2023 3:45pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Who, THIS Col Douglas McGregor? The one who In 2014, after Russia annexed Crimea and was engaged in a conflict with Ukraine over its eastern parts, appeared on Russian state-owned network RT where he called for the annexation of the Donbas and said residents of the region “are in fact Russians, not Ukrainians, and at the same time, you have Ukrainians in the west and in the north, who are not Russians”
  
  Hardly an unbiased source….
  
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  March 8, 2023 10:17am
  - CPB
    
    You have to at least admire Russian propaganda. It is incredibly effective. There are a number of Kiwibloggers who have swallowed the idea that Russia was somehow provoked into invading its neighbour and the genocidal rampage that has followed is all imagined. Reminds me of Holocaust deniers.
    
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    March 8, 2023 11:16am
    - Grunter
      
      I’m surprised that my post received more upticks than down. But I’m not surprised by some of the responses such as CPB.
      Yes it comes down to who’s “propaganda” you believe and what perspective to take on geopolitical issues such as Ukraine. One thing is certain, if it’s in the MSM, then it’s most likely not true.
      For me, I listen and read several different commentators who have direct links into their topic and critically challenge the thinking. The biggest danger is that, like the MSM & Hollywood, you fall into the “Good Guy – Bad Guy” thinking (West = Good, Russia = Bad). Which is clearly not the case. Don’t get me wrong, Putin isn’t “Good”. But Biden is clearly close to being insane, and Zylenskyy was an actor who has now enmassed over US$25 million from his President’s salary (?? yeah right!)
      The entire situation is absurd and very dangerous. But to think Russia started a war without provocation is just naive. And to blindly support Biden/Zylenskyy will bring about WWIII.
      The only solution is to implement the Minsk Agreement.
      
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      March 8, 2023 2:24pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        After 2 years of insane propaganda around covid you’d think people would be a bit more aware, apparently there are still plenty out there listening to RNZ and watching the BBC. Astonishing.
        
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        March 8, 2023 3:48pm
      - CPB
        
        To put my view as simply as possible, I agree there have been all sorts of geopolitical maneuverings involving Ukraine for years and the USA has its fingers all through that pie. But whatever actions have taken place, real or imagined, they don’t justify Russia’s invasion. It’s pretty clear Putin has been planning this for at least 15 years. Crimea was just the first stepping stone. I believe very little in the media, but it really isn’t difficult to pick a side in this one.
        
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        March 8, 2023 4:28pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      CPB – I bet you thought the vaccine was safe and effective too……now that really was propaganda.
      
      Go and look up some facts on how this has happened, comparing it to Holocaust denial is pathetically and childish.
      
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      March 8, 2023 3:47pm
      - CPB
        
        Actually fella you’ll find I’m not on board the Covid train at all. On that we have common ground. I also agree that the story is far more complex than what it’s made out to be in the media. It always is. Bad actors exist on both sides.
        But the reality is nothing justifies invading another sovereign nation in the manner Russia has, or the USA did in Iraq as another example. It is perfectly reasonable to defend oneself from attack, but that’s not the case here. Russia’s sovereignty isn’t under threat, no matter what Putin says. His own words ultimately betray him as to why he invaded – he doesn’t believe Ukraine has a right to exist outside Russia. That part isn’t complicated at all.
        
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        March 8, 2023 4:15pm
pdm

Is Steve Maharay safe or is he on `thin ice’?

He has form.

Remember when Christine Rankin called him `Smarmy Maharey’!!!!
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March 8, 2023 8:12am
- Souvlaki
  
  I think it was John Tamihere who referred to him( correctly) as such during the ” front bum” saga?
  
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  March 8, 2023 8:21am
  - pdm
    
    Souv – my recollection is Rankin said it after her first meeing with him after the 1999 election when he first became Minister of Social Welfare.
    
    Someone here will know for sure.
    
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    March 8, 2023 8:52am
    - Prince
      
      Wasn’t it Maharey who had led a life of ‘unblemished excellence’ according to the second worst Speaker of all time, Margaret Wilson ?
      And was he the one who was upset by Rankin wearing short skirts in meetings ?
      
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      March 8, 2023 9:02am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        He was known politically as Smarey Maharey
        
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        March 8, 2023 9:51am
    - Aquarius
      
      My memory is that it was Smarmy from Palmy ….
      
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      March 8, 2023 12:42pm
- kowtow
  
  I have a vague recollection of him referring to “no person’s land”.
  
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  March 8, 2023 8:43am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He should be sacked or Hipkins is a hypocrite, but Maharey was his former boss
  
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  March 8, 2023 9:50am
- MCōs
  
  Soon enough one of these Public Sector bosses will be overheard in a hipster cafe criticizing a politician and Mr Luxon will be calling for their resignation.
  
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  March 8, 2023 10:02am
  - Paulus
    
    Is it not in the Social programme aspects of the Internet that these people have been indiscreet or believe they are very clever, not in a Wellington Cafe.
    
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    March 8, 2023 1:18pm
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    Cool story bro
    
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    March 8, 2023 1:31pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Apparently he has been saved from the axe, it’s pathetic, he should have gone too, this just makes Hipkins a hypocrite, he couldn’t sack his old boss, I see that Ruth Dyson has been slagging Nats off as well, snd she has a high paying trough of pig swill as well, can’t sack her either I bet
  
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  March 8, 2023 3:02pm
- Nickc2
  
  IMO, if Smarmy Maharey was the first offender and wasn’t sacked, we can logically conclude that Rob Campbell wouldn’t have lost his job unless Hipkins was definitely out to get rid of him.
  Where is this ‘spectrum’ defined that Hipkins used to defend and ignore Smarmy Maharey’s breach of discipline?
  BTW, will the third offender Ruth Dyson also be judged against Hipkin’s yet-to-be-defined ‘spectrum’ of ill-discipline?
  
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  March 8, 2023 4:43pm
RockyJ

Regarding the poet Tusiata Avia and her racist anti-white men reading, which starts tomorrow at the Auckland Arts Festival, I discovered on Sean Plunket’s The Platform that 60 to 100 complaints have been sent to the Race Relations Commisioner and none have been acknowledged. I made a complaint as well as to the police and had no answer.

When I examine how I feel about being ignored I can say I feel insignificant, like my views are irrelevant and I am seen as a non person. Then I realise this mindset is what characterises white supremicists.

The government has four agencies watching the New Zealand population for signs of white supremacy. These are the SIS, the Disinformation Project, The Centre of Research Excellence for Preventing and Countering Violent Extremism and The Fixated Threats Assessment Centre.

Do organisations like the Race Relations Commision not realise that their ignoring the views of white people on sensitive issues like their treatment as a race risks creating the very thing they are so concerned about?

PS I am OK.
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- rouppe
  
  I sent a formal complaint to the Human Rights Commission, and I emailed the CE of Creative NZ directly.
  
  I did receive an email reply from CNZ which linked to statement they and the HRC had made, the former (essentially) saying “oh but it’s just one bit in a bigger work and in any case it’s art”, and the latter of which says “we’re thinking about what to say”.
  
  Very weak, to say the least
  
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  March 8, 2023 9:37am
- lastmanstanding
  
  If you are a pale stale male like me then as a far as this Government and its agencies are concerned you are a “non person”. I realised this some years ago. As far as Governments and their agencies are concerned only purpose for them is to pay the taxes that they piss up against the wall.
  I have no respect for any of these arseholes. They have no respect for me so its mutual.
  However they do provide some humour and entertainment with their pitiful attempts at governance.
  
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  March 8, 2023 10:01am
- MCōs
  
  “The government has four agencies watching the New Zealand population for signs of white supremacy.”
  Before the mosque massacres were there any?
  Before the mosque massacres what were they doing?
  Before the mosque massacres I struck up a conversation with a Muslim guy in Cornwall Park. Among other thing he told me his mosque in Ponsonby had had a call from police asking that they report anyone they suspected had been radicalized.
  At the same time down in Dunedin a bloke is using steroids to bulk up, accumulating a stack of weapons and going to a local rifle ranch to test his skills.
  All unnoticed, it seems.
  
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  March 8, 2023 10:24am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    And in the news today – Islamic extremist planning knife attack on random people, exposed via an undercover informant.
    
    Never forget that the ‘white supremacist’ you mean came here from overseas because we are such a safe and tolerant country.
    He was granted a firearms licence by police who did not vet referees as per proper procedure.
    
    So we actually have NO homegrown white supremacist threat that has ever been intercepted or successfully did ANYTHING.
    Yet we have several Islamic plots which have been foiled, amongst youth that were radicalised in NZ via their own political extremism. We also had one that tried to saw off a woman’s head in a supermarket, but was killed by police who followed him.
    
    So yes, please do outline the ‘white supremacist’ threat in NZ we need to gear up against.
    Were those the same people at the parliament protests?
    Real Nazis are in such short supply in NZ that the media has to turn Maori into Alt-right agents 😉
    
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    March 8, 2023 1:43pm
    - MCōs
      
      You’re arguing against yourself.
      
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      March 8, 2023 1:51pm
- Black with a Vengeance
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  It’s not even a good poem, but the fact it forces others to confront racism and colonization in Aotearoa is a good thing.
  
  Glad your OK…
  
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  March 8, 2023 10:28am
  - Fuzzysnuggleduck
    
    You going so well, with the start of your first sentence.
    Then it went downhill.
    
    It doesn’t ‘force’ people to confront anything, any more than I am forced to take the bus because Greta did a climate strike. All it does is expose ugliness on the side of well-fed and well-paid professional racists.
    No merit at all.
    
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    March 8, 2023 1:36pm
  - Ghost
    
    The only people that are taking any notice of this poem are the likes of you, who claim racism but in fact it is yourself that often pushes racism. Strange that
    
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    March 8, 2023 1:39pm
  - Dave
    
    Whom does the poem force to confront racism and colonialism? It’s just an ignorable rant in free verse form.
    
    News media pieces identifying racial inequalities in outcomes, however poorly researched they are by sociologically naive reporters for whom racism explains everything, at least force readers/listeners to either address racism or ask what might be other explanations and solutions.
    
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    March 8, 2023 2:06pm
    - Black with a Vengeance
      
      Whom does the poem force to confront racism and colonialism?
      _________________
      
      Anyone who reads or hears it IMHO.
      
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      March 8, 2023 2:20pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        By all indications thus far, I’m “confronted” by a very thick person calling herself a “poet” and encouraging racist violence. End of.
        
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        March 8, 2023 7:28pm
- Observer of Life
  
  Rocky: “Ps: I am ok”.. 😂 phew!
  
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  March 8, 2023 7:54pm
Tony Stuart

Tom Day is a producer at Today FM. He’s just tweeted this:

Tom Day
@tomdaynz
#BREAKING Deputy Chair of FENZ and EQC Ruth Dyson has told @TodayFM_nz that she will be reviewing her tweets. They include criticism of Chris Luxon, celebrating Labour and the retweeting of partisan political commentary
7:19 AM · Mar 8, 2023

So many boards and committees around the country are chaired by or stacked with Labour Party cronies. I am sure lots of them will be doing what Ms Dyson has done, and reviewing all their public and social media utterances as they ponder their tenures being ended after October 2023.
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March 8, 2023 8:20am
- alex Masterley
  
  I wonder if “reviewing” means “deleting”.
  It would be nice if Dyson went into the departure lounge as a consequence.
  
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  March 8, 2023 8:35am
  - I remember when
    
    Gee it’s a hard decision.
    Do I want the money, or, do I want everybody to know what I think.
    
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    March 8, 2023 2:12pm
sirknz

Social housing is great, until you get one cockroach next door.

https://archive.fo/zd3o6 [$tuff archive]

Gang linked tenant moves in and brings her gang friends along and now the building has security guards who legally can’t do anything more than a memberof the public standing there.
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March 8, 2023 8:24am
- rouppe
  
  They were also weak when they said “we can’t discriminate against gang members”.
  
  Here’s some reality for ya: You have a vacant property. You advertise it and get some applicants. Some of those applicants are better than others. You choose the better ones. The trouble makers, those with a history of being a poor tenant, do not get chosen.
  
  That’s how tenant selection works. Grow up Whanau Ora.
  
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  March 8, 2023 9:53am
  - Jim
    
    It’s not their money or physical property (and I bet the bureaucrats don’t live near by), as the dumb tax payers fund it, so why do you expect the bureaucracy to even care?
    
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    March 8, 2023 11:20am
  - I remember when
    
    Whanau Ora:
    What happens when you put all the people who can’t pay, or won’t pay, together and change them rent.
    
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    March 8, 2023 2:16pm
kevn

@Gizzy Maggy… What is the story about the HMNZS Manawanui water cargo for the area, being stymied by some agency in Gizzy?
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March 8, 2023 8:25am
- Nickc2
  
  More info PLEASE!
  
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  March 8, 2023 8:37am
- pdm
  
  I think it was the new `Mahuta’ Water Authority with the funny name – Taumata something – which stoppoed the unloading of the water because the Naval ship was not licenced to carry water.
  
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  March 8, 2023 9:03am
  - kevn
    
    @pdm… Really? Clown circus in full flight.
    
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    March 8, 2023 9:09am
    - sirknz
      
      We are reaching Clown World levels never thought possible.
      
      I remember when we thought we head peaked in 2019 or thereabouts.
      
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      March 8, 2023 10:52am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Only in NZ.
    Does the water need blessing? Karakia?
    
    Imagine this shit under Co-Governance and 3 Waters.
    The people need food and water, just fuck off with the nonsense.
    
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    March 8, 2023 9:40am
    - mawm
      
      More likely they want to clip the ticket.
      
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      March 8, 2023 10:22am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        You mean like 10% for the big guy?
        
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        March 8, 2023 12:12pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Not licensed by whom? This is the Royal New Zealand Navy, under the direction of the elected government of New Zealand, transporting supplies within New Zealand.
    
    What more license can they possibly need?
    
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    March 8, 2023 9:53am
    - Nickc2
      
      I think Taumata something was trying to extract some money for a cause of her own making.
      
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      March 8, 2023 10:51am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The water was tested twice. Whoever is holding this up needs to be exposed.
        Sounding like extortion to me.
        
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        March 8, 2023 1:47pm
  - LauraNorda
    
    PDM, you are referring to this absolute
    bureaucratic garbage.
    
    https://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/local-news/20230223/certification-issue-stops-ship-from-supplying-water/
    
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    March 8, 2023 10:23am
    - kevn
      
      @Laura… Thank you for the link.
      Too bad that 99% of the water would be used for washing and general cleaning up. A minuscule amount would be used for drinking water.
      ‘Let them eat cake’.
      
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      March 8, 2023 1:42pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Cheers, I was waiting for that.
      
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      March 8, 2023 1:43pm
  - Nickc2
    
    FYI, a Naval Ship does not require a license to carry potable water. Naval Ships can and do produce their own water as well as produce fresh water (potable) for any civil emergency. It’s all part of their role in the event of an emergency situation.
    Where was the Minister of Defence during this fiasco?
    If Peeni Henare still holds the Defence Portfolio, I guess its enuff said eh?
    
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    March 8, 2023 11:03am
    - Cassandra
      
      He doesn’t, it’s Andrew Little. Actually a huge improvement, despite what you might think.
      
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      March 8, 2023 1:23pm
      - Nickc2
        
        [Mod – tone your language down]
        
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        March 8, 2023 1:51pm
  - I remember when
    
    Surely a negative impurities test should be all the licence required.
    Isn’t there still a state of emergency in place?
    
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    March 8, 2023 2:20pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’m just back in Gisborne today… been in Oz for a couple of weeks.
  I’ve not been following the news … but I was pretty sure HMNZS Manawanui offloaded water on 18 Feb at Eastland Port.
  (check Eastland Port Facebook for 18 Feb)
  
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  March 8, 2023 11:33am
  - pdm
    
    maggy – from what I saw they were stopped from unloading about halfway through. No idea what happened after that.
    
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    March 8, 2023 1:50pm
    - kevn
      
      @pdm… Looks as though the water still held on board was used to wash the Manawanui down.
      Households with water tanks only and trying to cleanup would have been pis*ed off.
      It’s like a sick joke.
      
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      March 8, 2023 2:32pm
Tomtoddy

Tinetti, the new Education Minister lying about truancy. Trying to say black is white. Up means down. What a vacuous idiot.

Truancy, is for me the worst of all the grievous crimes of this government, even worse that their pathetic co-governance, over spending, Covid crap. They are all fixable in a new Government’s first term. Truancy wrecks a generation.
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March 8, 2023 8:29am
- Tricati
  
  Tinetti, like Seuloni, uses the ‘its a complicated issue’ response when they have no bloody idea. Becoming a very common response from these muppets.
  
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  March 8, 2023 8:34am
  - Tricati
    
    Apologise, meant Sepuloni.
    
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    March 8, 2023 9:08am
    - Tarquin North
      
      Getting up in the morning would appear to be a complicated issue for either of those two.
      
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      March 8, 2023 11:46am
- Nickc2
  
  She must be one of the favoured few in the current Govt, Chippy gave her one of his jobs.
  It’s either that or the Education Portfolio is a Poison Challis.
  
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  March 8, 2023 8:43am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Can someone give her a hairbrush please?
  
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  March 8, 2023 9:41am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She is trying to not look like Poto, but sadly that’s exactly what she is looking like, Erica has her tied in knots, a lot of people say that an ACT Mp should be education minister, maybe, maybe not, but I think Erica has shown she is brilliant in any role she has done. She had Faafoi tied in knots as well in immigration, and has has the better of Wood as well
  
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  March 8, 2023 10:22am
Simon

There is now talk that Hipkins can win the election.

It might come down to ACT & Greens. ACT might be able to drag National over the line. The Greens just too weird for Labo / Nats swing voter at this time.
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March 8, 2023 8:31am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  He probably will win the election if he keeps abandoning all the loony things that his predecessor was planning.
  
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  March 8, 2023 8:44am
  - Simon
    
    Is National talking with NZ First about gifting them a seat? Perhaps they should be.
    
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    March 8, 2023 9:18am
    - MCōs
      
      They would then go with Labour
      
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      March 8, 2023 9:44am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Don’t talk utter crap
        
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        March 8, 2023 10:57am
    - rockape
      
      Do we really want to be in another bribe auction for Winston’s support?
      
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      March 8, 2023 10:00am
      - Tony Stuart
        
        I wouldn’t give Peters the steam off my p*ss on a cold morning. He’s running a mile from all the things he and Ardern did 2018-2020, but we have an obligation to remind people that he was the power that enabled Ardern and Labour. Never, ever forget that.
        
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        March 8, 2023 11:23am
      - MCōs
        
        And if it wasn’t Labour it would have been the Nats.
        
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        March 8, 2023 11:53am
    - coge
      
      Under MMP NZ First won’t need a gifted seat.
      
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      March 8, 2023 11:13am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        I have not seen a recent poll where they are anywhere near 5%, Morgan had one, but they for some reason do not count
        
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        March 8, 2023 3:11pm
  - Flossie
    
    Abandoning? Or tucking to one side ready for their next term?
    
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    March 8, 2023 9:53am
  - kowtow
    
    Not “abandoning”. This is election year .
    
    If they get in it’ll all be back on .
    
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    March 8, 2023 10:00am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    What? One day Wood says cycle ways, canned by lunchtime, this gut is losing support by the day
    
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    March 8, 2023 10:29am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hahahahaha, I was worried a month ago, but the utter daily shambles of flip flopping, of cover ups and of bailing out stupidity suggest the polls will have dropped again, ask yourself why no leaked internal poll except for the one showing a slight bump In January, ask yourself why one news is now over due for their monthly poll
  
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  March 8, 2023 10:24am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    One Spews doesn’t do a monthly poll.
    They only do one when National stubs their toe.
    
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    March 8, 2023 10:51am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      They have released a poll bang on once a month since well before Christmas, clear Nats have not stubbed their toe, I watched Luxon in question time yesterday, if he has not lifted to another level then I will eat my hat again, he had Hipkins squirming, and he was bang on with his follow ups, Hipkins started repeating answers when he didn’t know what to say, just like Curran and Poto, apparently Tinneti got roasted with her questions
      
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      March 8, 2023 11:01am
  - leoj
    
    Polls will be closer than you think or hope.
    Remember, it is the average, uninformed dunces who are being polled.
    The same dunces who get to vote…..
    
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    March 8, 2023 1:52pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/the-maorification-of-new-zealand-can-be-likened-to-recruiting-to-join-a-cult-and-its-worked/

The government, through the main stream media, has been brainwashing the population of New Zealand for
the past decade.
Sonia wrote to me saying the following: “I think it is important to get to the
older people who are not on the Internet or on Smart Phones. The reason is that when I talk to the people in my
Retirement Village, they all say the same:
“I know what is going on, I watch 1 News every night and I read the Herald.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/How-to-ordere-Julians-book-hyperlink-version-1.pdf
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March 8, 2023 8:40am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  1 News and the Herald. Yep, that is the limit.
  EG: At the Hospital waiting rooms try to get the channel changed from the mind numbing TV1. Impossible, they refuse! Turn it off then? Nope.
  
  What was the movie about forcing people to watch? Clockwork Orange?
  
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  March 8, 2023 8:48am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Good to see more people are reading the blog.
  This Co-Governance thing is happening right under our noses. When some find out it will be too late.
  Democracy becomes Tyranny. Who wants that? Tribal rule by Elite Maori.
  Ngati Pakeha will be no more.
  
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  March 8, 2023 5:45pm
Grunter

NZ hospitals are in a complete mess. Auckland hospital turning away ambulances and treating ED patients in a public space. Dunedin hospital cancelling operations. ED wait times everywhere at record levels.
Excess deaths in NZ at the highest level since 1918.
I wonder why? COVID strains no longer a major problem. Something else going on that Hipkins doesn’t want to talk about…..
If this was 2020 we would have daily podium of the truth sessions at 1pm.
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March 8, 2023 8:48am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Grunter, you do not want to get crook enough for hospital treatment at this point in time. Even with private insurance you will not be on solid ground. This Government, in 5 years has pretty much taken our health system outcomes back into the 1800’s.
  
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  March 8, 2023 9:15am
- Jim
  
  Awe perhaps just another Sudden Adult Death Syndrome, which has somehow become a legitimate thing as often reported by the media. A quick search shows it’s preeminence to claim many extraordinary victims since mid 2021. Must be man made climate warming //
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/what-is-sads-healthy-young-people-dying-from-sudden-adult-death-syndrome/TIOAK4SYPF5LFSKP5QZCVG23IM/
  
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  March 8, 2023 11:27am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I have to say that North Shore Hospital is functioning for me. Active Surveillance of prostate is working. Had cortisone injected for my rotor cuff tear. Had a recent appointment with a specialist on cubital tunnel. Now near the top of the list. I have told him, if you have a gap or cancellation, I can be there in 15 minutes.
  So Yeah, things are slow, but working.
  
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  March 8, 2023 12:22pm
Swifty

Stuff interviews an interesting bloke for International Women’s Day:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/131358321/its-as-important-to-listen-as-it-is-to-speak-up-says-social-justice-advocate
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March 8, 2023 8:49am
- Fuzzysnuggleduck
  
  Heh, a transgender-woman Muslim belonging to a racial minority & neuro-diverse.
  That surely must be the apex of the totem pole of the oppressed?
  Would have to be in a wheel chair to possibly tick any more boxes.
  
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  March 8, 2023 1:57pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    “I’m Muslim, I’m Filipino, I’m neurodiverse, I have mental illness and physical disabilities, I’m trans and asexual.”
    
    So:
    Trans
    Muslim
    Filipino Immigrant
    Neurodiverse
    Mental Illness
    A-Sexual
    Physical Disabilities
    
    They’re very lucky they’re in this country really.
    
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    March 8, 2023 3:40pm
- Observer of Life
  
  Swifty: FFS.. it looks like tangatawhenua origin.
  And.. “ I was on my way to the bus stop to get my bus card topped up and, on my way through Auckland university, all of a sudden a stone hit me. When I came home, I realised that my arm was black and blue, and it hurt for six months.”. For SIX MONTHS! Righto love.
  
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  March 8, 2023 9:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Mike is late. Today is International Woman’s Day.
Does this include the blokes who think they can get pregnant? Asking for a friend.
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March 8, 2023 8:52am
- pdm
  
  Steve – or the men who want to compete in womens sporting events.
  
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  March 8, 2023 9:05am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Cheating cowards really.
    
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    March 8, 2023 9:44am
- kowtow
  
  The Whoreald is full of it today .
  All about female representation , or lack thereof .
  
  But but but nowadays it’s all about “gender equity” and as there’s dozens and dozens of different genders surely workplaces must have equal representation of all the genders in the rainbow , surely , for “equity’s” sake .
  
  I mean “woman” is so yesterday , innit . It’s actually oppressive to all the other genders around , innit .
  
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  March 8, 2023 9:09am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Two genders, but the nutbars say 53 genders.
    There are a lot of mentally ill people around who are on drugs, or should be.
    
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    March 8, 2023 9:46am
    - Bob
      
      53 Genders???, BUT there are only 26 letters in the alphabet!
      
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      March 8, 2023 10:05am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Maybe numbers? I don’t know what the crazies are up to.
        
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        March 8, 2023 12:23pm
    - MCōs
      
      I have a former niece who is actually non-binary. They’re suicidal enough without having people who don’t have a clue lecturing them there being only two genders.
      
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      March 8, 2023 12:06pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        So how many genders are there? How do they work this out?
        
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        March 8, 2023 12:25pm
      - Mike
        
        Appreciating the difference between biological sex and gender involves a degree of conceptual understanding for which Steve is not very well prepared, judging by the sorts of information sources he links to on Kiwiblog.
        
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        March 8, 2023 1:52pm
      - MCōs
        
        I don’t know.
        I’m pointing out your prejudice doesn’t make you an expert.
        I don’t pretend to be an expert either, but I’m not turning a blind eye to what’s happening in the family.
        
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        March 8, 2023 1:58pm
      - Fuzzysnuggleduck
        
        I don’t think anyone is lecturing non-binary people. LGBTIQ+ are not a captive audience to any of the religious or other people that might truly be negative about them. The bulk of the public just don’t care, for better or worse. Gender politics is not a primary issue or impacting them at all (unless you are a female sportsperson).
        
        But around the negative voices: I don’t want to listen to Ed Sheeran or Harry Styles, but I can change the station if I don’t like the tune.
        There is no reason to make people somehow culpable for another’s suicidal thoughts for expressing an opinion (about gender, or whatever).
        Rather – sticks and stones, and unless there is talk about “driving around in SUVs” with”pig hunting knives” & “looking for” non-binary people, the discussion on gender here at Kiwiblog is not making anyone ‘unsafe’.
        
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        March 8, 2023 2:14pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @Mike 1.52.
        See Mike, I am 70 years old. In my younger days we never had these mental conditions. Sure there were gay hangouts (queers we called them) usually public toilets, so we just avoided them.
        Are the information sources I link to just all lies?
        I come from a plain and simple World.
        Gender, Look in the pants. Penis equals male, no penis equals female. How simple is that?
        
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        March 8, 2023 5:35pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @MCos 1.58.
        Now where did I say I was an expert?. Prejudice my left tit.
        It takes just one pair of eyes. Penis = male, no penis = female.
        Anything different comes from a mental issue – and seriously I do not mean that in a bad way.
        
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        March 8, 2023 5:40pm
      - Observer of Life
        
        [Mod – no need for that comment]
        
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        March 8, 2023 9:14pm
- rouppe
  
  Shouldn’t that be “those that get pregnant that think they are blokes”?
  
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  March 8, 2023 9:55am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Who knows how mixed up they can get?
    
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    March 8, 2023 12:26pm
bythesea

With the full video footage coming out for the Jan 6th goings on, I wonder if some of the convictions are going to get appealed and possibly overturned.

Like the video of the guy with the shaman outfit wandering around casually with a cop.

What’s the deal with prosecution making the evidence available to defence?
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March 8, 2023 9:02am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Jacob Chansley, the infamous “QAnon Shaman,” throughout the building, and footage of Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick walking around the Capitol after the media reported that he had been killed outside.
  https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1632915746165780480?
  
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  March 8, 2023 10:00am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    It’s clear that the J6 committee heads were all liars, and that the media and the Biden administration have been pushing a false narrative about the Capitol riot. The new footage uncovered by Carlson shows that the truth is very different from what they are claiming, and that the Capitol police were not doing their job that day.
    
    This riot was all planned. Pelosi knew. She refused Trump to allow 20 thousand troops, then 10 thousand troops.
    The Trump rally was going to be infiltrated by Antifa, BLM, Proud Bays, The Three Percenters, NSC 131, Rise Above Nation, The Oath Keepers, the list goes on.
    These groups were not Trump supporters. I have seen many Trump rallies, but in this so called ‘Insurrection’ Trump supporters do not dress like those radicals.
    
    The Biden administration must also be held to account for their attempts to rewrite history and whitewash what really happened on January 6.
    
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    March 8, 2023 10:23am
- virtualmark
  
  Nope. All that video was available under discovery for those charged with Jan 6th crimes. They were able to use it in their defences. If they didn’t then either (a) they ran an incompetent defence or (b) maybe, just maybe, the totality of the videos shows a different story to what Tucker Carlson is alleging.
  
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  March 8, 2023 10:10am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I thought the committee ruled it out though, not the court cases by the corrupt committee
    
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    March 8, 2023 11:23am
    - Mike
      
      I’m unsure what you are saying. Regardless of the committee’s findings – it has not prosecuted anyone. Hundred have already been prosecuted and over 200 jailed for their participation, many of whom pleaded guilty in the face of obvious and overwhelming evidence.
      
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      March 8, 2023 1:57pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        The court prosecuted people, the committee was toothless
        
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        March 8, 2023 3:15pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        The Committee is on watch. See when someone like Liz Cheney has Trump in the crosshairs, he doubles down. Cheney is a loser, totally exposed as a RINO after all of these years.
        Every one on that kangaroo should be investigated. Indicted? Impeached? Traeson? Not sure what qualifies for those.
        
        Hey Mike, TRUMP 2024. Take that thought to bed later. Would you like a MAGA hat? Red or white?
        
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        March 8, 2023 5:57pm
    - virtualmark
      
      The US Capitol Police made all the security video available to defendants on Jan 6 charges. They had to – the defendants were entitled to use it under discovery rules. AFAIK no Jan 6 defendants have made use of security video as extenuating evidence.
      
      And Jacob Chansley, the Shaman, pled guilty before trial … so he didn’t go to trial at all. Presumably he pled guilty because, under discovery, he saw the evidence the DOJ was prepping to take to court and thought “Uh oh, I’m f@*(%d”.
      
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      March 8, 2023 2:02pm
      - Ghost
        
        Well Tucker was the first time these lawyer’s saw it
        
        But his legal team are now said to be arguing that the 41,000 hours of newly released video clips include footage they haven’t seen before and consequently need to review as it may help their defense.
        
        https://www.newsweek.com/jan-sixth-tucker-carlson-video-defense-trial-1786141
        
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        March 8, 2023 2:10pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Shrug.
        
        On the one hand there’s DOJ lawyers who, if they are untruthful in discovery processes, get disbarred.
        
        On the other hand there’s Tucker, who lies almost constantly.
        
        So I think I’ll go with the DOJ commitment that all security footage was made available under discovery. But, to be fair, there’s over 40,000 hours of it so the reality is that most Jan 6 defendants and their lawyers wouldn’t have been able to review it all.
        
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        March 8, 2023 3:54pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @virtualmark 3.54.
        Now we have TDS again! Tucker Derangement Syndrome!
        Who knew? LOL LOL!
        
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        March 8, 2023 6:01pm
  - Nickc2
    
    According to reports coming out of the US, the Dems employed a Hollywood Producer/Director to pick through all the video footage made available to FOX and produce some edited video favourable to the Kangaroo Court they wanted to show to the public.
    
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    March 8, 2023 12:06pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I agree with that. Parts omitted. Liz Cheney was chomping at the bit for the public to see an edited version, such is her hatred of Trump.
      Perfect example of a kangaroo court, but the leftist media lapped it up.
      
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      March 8, 2023 1:53pm
    - virtualmark
      
      But Tucker is a completely honest person who hasn’t cherry-picked the parts that suit his story?
      
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      March 8, 2023 1:59pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Have you got any proof?
        
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        March 8, 2023 2:10pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Nope, no proof at all that Tucker is honest. Quite the opposite … the messages and emails uncovered in the Dominion Voting Systems depositions show he is completely dishonest and duplicitous.
        
        Loved these that just got made public today:
        
        “I hate [Trump] passionately”
        “I truly can’t wait [to ignore Trump most nights]”
        “I don’t think there is evidence of voter fraud that swung the election”
        
        What? That’s not what he says on-air??? Well, Tucker’s always honest right.
        
        Oh, and did you know that he’s vaxxed against Covid? What? That’s not what he implies on-air? Honestly, I was more shocked when I found out my toaster wasn’t waterproof.
        
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        March 8, 2023 3:44pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Oh, and there’s this goodie from Tucker, from the previous batch of depositions …
        
        “Trump is a demonic force, a destroyer”.
        
        You still sure that Tucker is being clear and honest with you?
        
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        March 8, 2023 4:06pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Tucker Carlson is a liar! I knew it!//
    
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    March 8, 2023 12:32pm
    - Mike
      
      Well, his employers did represent in court that Carlson couldn’t be trusted to provide accurate information.
      
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      March 8, 2023 2:00pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Couldn’t be trusted – but he is still there. I smell TDS.
        Tucker Derangement Syndrome
        
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        March 8, 2023 6:03pm
      - Mike
        
        No Steve, Fox literally stated to a court that viewers could not possobly regard Carlson as a source of news.
        
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        March 8, 2023 6:40pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Steve I’m pretty sure you haven’t read the Fox News depositions for the Dominion Voting Systems lawsuit.
      
      https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/dominion-fox-news/54e33f20f7fb6e8d/full.pdf
      
      You might find Tucker’s deposition enlightening. Particularly his text messages to other Fox execs and hosts.
      
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      March 8, 2023 2:13pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Oh yeah. “He hates Donald Trump” text to an unknown number.
        Geeze these lefties are pathetic! No link, find it yourself. Careful now, you may find the truth – and truth is bad.
        
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        March 8, 2023 6:20pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Honest questions Virtualmark:
    1) Do you honestly believe there was any video evidence showing serious wrongdoing that the J6 Committee didn’t show? Their kangaroo court needed everything juicy it could get.
    2) Do you honestly believe the defences could possibly go through those 40,000 hours of video to find what they needed?
    3) What evidence is there, apart from the statement of fact from the DOJ that all relevant video had been given to the defences?
    4) The judge, in sentencing Chancley stated that he was the face of it so therefore got a harsher sentence – do you think he could possibly get a fair trial?
    5) From below, do you honestly believe DOJ lawyers would get in trouble for leaving out that info? Or would they just claim an honest mistake that they missed it in their go through etc.
    
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    March 8, 2023 4:41pm
    - virtualmark
      
      1) Yes, I expect there is a lot more security footage showing serious wrongdoing that the J6 committee didn’t show. Reality is that the J6 committee produced something like 20 hours of documentary video. But we’re now learning there’s about 40,000 hours of security footage. But reality also is that extra hours of footage would just be showing basically the same sorts of events, so of little additional value.
      2) No, clearly not all 40,000 hours. But the defence lawyers do have a client they can ask “Where were you? Where did you go? When?” and that would then narrow down just what footage they would need to look at. Remember, most of these convictions have involved showing the court security footage that shows the defendant committing crimes. If there’s other footage that just shows them standing around well … that’s not exculpatory.
      3) Look, the burden on lawyers to behave properly is very high. If they fuck around then the finding out phase is them losing their careers. If the DOJ believed they had enough evidence, including security camera footage, to convict someone beyond reasonable doubt then what is the down-side to releasing that and any other info to the defence in discovery?
      4) Yes I think Chansley would have got a fair trial, just as the other Jan 6 defendants have got. But Chansley pleaded in a plea bargain, to a single count. That happens when the defendant realises that they’re legally f*@ked. It’s either take the plea and get 41 months or roll the dice and risk, say, 10 years.
      5) Yes I think DOJ lawyers would risk, firstly, a mis-trial and then, secondly, their careers. Any half-capable defence lawyer is going to know there’s security camera footage and is going to request it. So why fuck around and risk your case or your career?
      
      Look, re Jan 6, to date I’ve not seen any evidence of mistrials – and if there is then surely the defence should be appealing.
      
      What is frustrating to me is that it’s the foot soldiers who’re being prosecuted, and not those who incited the whole thing.
      
      “Must I shoot a simple-minded soldier boy who deserts, while I must not touch a hair of a wily agitator who induces him to desert? I think in such a case to silence the agitator and save the boy is not only constitutional, but withal, a great mercy.” Abraham Lincoln
      
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      March 8, 2023 5:04pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        OK, an uptick for the answers.
        
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        March 8, 2023 6:25pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Look, the burden on lawyers to behave properly is very high. If they fuck around then the finding out phase is them losing their careers.
        
        Not if you’re in D.C. (92% for Biden) where the FBI lawyer Clinesmith falsified evidence for the original FISA wiretap on Trump – and lost his license for all of a couple of months (it was a year but they backdated time spent not practicing). He did get fired from the FBI but he won’t be short of work in that Democrat enclave.
        
        And speaking of lawyers I see the Manhattan pair that threw a molotov cocktail at a police car have got 15 months – compared to 41 months for the Shaman loon for his single guilty plea of “Obstructing a Government procedure” – which, helpfully for the government was a felony, and which he pled to after who knows how many months sitting in the clink awaiting trial (6th Amendment? What’s that?).
        
        That sound like justice to you? (TDS people should not answer that since it’s a rhetorical question not aimed at monsters like you.)
        
        Still, what the TDS world really want are suicides of these people and so far there have been only three. Still, another couple of years in clink, with some of that in solitary, should do the trick one way or another for the several hundred remaining.
        
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        March 8, 2023 7:16pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Wow Tom, that reads like you’re processing a lot of rage.
        
        I can’t talk for Clinesmith, or “the Manhattan pair” (who I don’t know anything about). But hey, thanks for reminding us that the Durham investigation was a total flop.
        
        And I do suspect Clinesmith has done permanent damage to his professional reputation. No idea what impact that will have on his long-term prospects – probably he doesn’t yet know either. But I doubt very much that he’ll escape problems.
        
        As to the Jan 6 defendants … aren’t they all Antifa? I really don’t understand why you and Fox News and Trump are so heated up about trying to excuse them when it was all a big setup by the FBI, Antifa, Clintons, Biden crime family etc.
        
        But seriously … no, no I would never want any suicides, and I would hope they will get justice in whatever form that properly is (ie guilty or innocent). But, in US as in NZ, the wheels of the justice system turn slowly. And if you can’t get bail then yes that means a lot of time rotting on remand.
        
        And as I said above … I think it’s unjust that the foot soldiers are being prosecuted but the inciters are (so far) getting away scot free.
        
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        March 8, 2023 8:54pm
- Tommo
  
  I especially liked that they dubbed screaming and shouting over silent or quiet camera footage
  
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  March 8, 2023 10:23am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Some is Security Cameras – no sound.
    
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    March 8, 2023 12:34pm
    - Tommo
      
      I know, they then dubbed the extra noise in to make it seem sinister
      
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      March 8, 2023 1:34pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yeah! Like “Believe it or Not”
        Twilight zone, LOL
        
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        March 8, 2023 6:27pm
- Surely Knott
  
  NZ Media ran numerous stories on the capital riot and the q anon shaman as did Kiwiblog.
  
  Will they be updating their stories to reflect the facts in the video. And will they give it as much coverage as they did the disinformation.
  
  Video shows the unarmed Shaman was escorted with two police past many other police into the chamber. And that the policeman wasn’t shot by rioters as the media alleged.
  
  Seems it was a coup, just not a pro trump one as the kiwiblog headline suggested. Looks like it was a coup to remove Trump.
  
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  March 8, 2023 12:27pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Trump has a saying to his rally crowds.
    “It is YOU they are after, I am just in their way”
    
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    March 8, 2023 1:54pm
  - leoj
    
    No, they won’t.
    Doesn’t fit the anti-Trump narrative.
    
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    March 8, 2023 1:56pm
k1w1

It’s paywalled so no link, but I see Herald reports that a Govt-commissioned survey asks if a wealth tax should replace the fuel tax, and that “people love it!”. Yeah, well not this people. Piss off with your extra taxes.
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March 8, 2023 9:04am
- alex Masterley
  
  From behind the paywall.
  About 436 participants with a demographic skewed towards cycling eco loons.
  Coughlan can hardly contain himself in the piece.
  
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  March 8, 2023 9:11am
  - Bob
    
    What credibility does Coughlan have in the real world of commerce!
    
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    March 8, 2023 2:06pm
- Nickc2
  
  Capital Gains Tax, Death Duties, Wealth Tax, Fart Tax, GST increase, Road User Charges increase, they’re all in the lineup should this Govt be re-elected.
  They’re not going to apply taxes to so-called Maori businesses masquerading as Charities though.
  
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  March 8, 2023 9:19am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, and Māori farmers are going to get a rebate from emissions, how do you thi k that will go down when pointed out in debates
    
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    March 8, 2023 11:24am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    I guess a bit like Sanitarium.
    
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    March 8, 2023 4:17pm
    - Ghost
      
      Why is that Wayne? I’ve always wondered why no political party has ever taken their charity status away and made them pay tax
      
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      March 8, 2023 4:22pm
- RoboRob
  
  Cant read the article but I see the issue. With the move to EVs the amount of fuel tax is going to drop like a stone. The could simply put road user charges on EVs, but this is labour so why not use it as an excuse to bring in the wealth tax / capital gains tax they so desperately want.
  
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  March 8, 2023 9:19am
- Matt Long
  
  Survey question, Do you want other people to pay for everything for you?
  Umm, I suppose so.
  See, people love it.
  
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  March 8, 2023 9:30am
  - Ehlana
    
    I’d love to do a survey: do you think the rich should pay their fair share of tax? Then ask: what level of income do you think is rich? What share of the tax should they pay?
    
    I wonder how many people’s answers would, if implemented, actually lead to a reduction in tax for our highest income earners?
    
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    March 8, 2023 10:55am
    - Bridgenag
      
      How much of what other people have earned do you think you are entailed to….
      
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      March 8, 2023 2:44pm
kowtow

Up and down the country hospital A and E are having their own emergencies while ‘primary” care is almost impossible to get into .

But the pollies and te media pardy want you to fret over the weather .

You see they want you to think they can control “carbon” emissions but they’ve no control over hospital admissions .

This is down the rabbit hole stuff.
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March 8, 2023 9:05am
- Close Hen Counters
  
  There are plenty of things that could happen to significantly improve the experience of staff and most importantly patients, at the front of our hospitals…. But the folks in charge have no interest in listening to highly experienced first class specialists at the front door who know their stuff as that would mean they concede defeat of prior dumb strategies that have never worked. So we will never go forward. North shore hospital had to take Auckland city hospitals patients on Monday – the same day we had only one medical registrar clerking (usually have at least four) , no house surgeons (multiple sick calls) … and we had to service the patients in our own area
  
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  March 8, 2023 9:31am
Jax30

Peter Williams is coming back to the airwaves soon along with Peter Brennan, Rodney Hide and others
Here’s the promo for the new station. Should be really interesting…
https://youtu.be/ykY58536j50
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March 8, 2023 9:07am
Simon

Vaxx injuries hitting the hospitals hard.
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March 8, 2023 9:21am
- krazykiwi
  
  Pfizer being sued for $3 trillion(!). Fraud. They have a record of flagrant fraud, and the evidence in this case looks incontrovertible.
  
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  March 8, 2023 9:43am
  - kevn
    
    @kk… Got any more data/link to that please?
    
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    March 8, 2023 9:53am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Thin info here : https://twitter.com/leadingreport/status/1632524697215565833
      
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      March 8, 2023 1:39pm
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      On Twitter. Not sure it’s real however.
      
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      March 8, 2023 1:44pm
      - kevn
        
        @info and kk… Wishful thinking to imagine that outcome but, never say never.
        They might ask for their money back from all the corrupt protectionist bribe takers.
        Then all the global gummints jab buyers could also line up for refunds?
        
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        March 8, 2023 6:11pm
Ghost

A Chinese political commentator is warning if New Zealand follows the US’ push to consider sanctioning China for its alleged involvement in the Ukraine invasion, China would likely sanction us back.

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March 8, 2023 9:26am
- kowtow
  
  NZ made a terrible mistake putting so many eggs in the China trade basket and becoming so reliant and dependant on a dictatorship.
  
  Contrary to the principles of democracy.
  
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  March 8, 2023 10:23am
  - Ghost
    
    Our other mistake was not trying harder to get a trade deal with the EU that would make us not reliant on China, what we got is crap deal
    
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    March 8, 2023 10:36am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Rubbish, look what happened to farm gate prices when China was closed down for 6 weeks, they started to crash, there is no other bloody customer
    
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    March 8, 2023 11:26am
  - MCōs
    
    NZ didn’t make the mistake.
    As far as I know Fonterra and others are not controlled by ‘NZ’
    
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    March 8, 2023 12:09pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Correct, but prices dropped in dairy, meat of all types and wool, it’s called supply and demand
      
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      March 8, 2023 3:18pm
Ghost

Strange how this is only released now after the article of US involvement

New intelligence reviewed by US officials suggests that a pro-Ukrainian group, likely comprised of Ukrainian or Russian nationals, carried out the attack on the Nord Stream energy pipelines last year, but the intelligence reached no firm conclusions, the New York Times reported on Tuesday.

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March 8, 2023 9:28am
- virtualmark
  
  The Ukrainians were always the ones with the strongest motive.
  
  It will be interesting to see how the Russian’s play this US intelligence report. They went full in on the Seymour Hersh story alleging the US had done it – even after Hersh’s story was shot down. Will be interesting to see if they now switch to “The Ukrainians did it”, or whether they stick with “The Americans did it”.
  
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  March 8, 2023 10:13am
- NoCash
  
  Isn’t the US a member of the pro-Ukrainian group? Or maybe not according to Mitt Romney.
  
  Anyways, looks like Zelensky has just been thrown under the bus…
  
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  March 8, 2023 10:37am
  - virtualmark
    
    ?
    
    How has Zelensky been thrown under the bus?
    
    It seems that earlier in the war the Ukrainians had “irregulars” who were doing irregular things. Like blowing up Nord Stream pipelines, assassinating Dugin (but actually killing his daughter), setting fire to oil terminals & buildings in Russia, bombing the Kerch Strait bridge etc etc.
    
    Word is the Americans, in particular, have told them to stop it … presumably because the Americans don’t want to see the Russians provoked too far. And, presumably, the Ukrainians will stop it because the last thing they want is for the Americans to turn off the armaments tap.
    
    Although … interesting today to see that the Russian Ministry of Interior Affair’s building in Moscow happened to catch fire in a major way. Interesting too that it’s one of the buildings in Moscow with a Pantsir anti-aircraft unit on the roof. Cui bono?
    
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    March 8, 2023 2:06pm
    - NoCash
      
      Bombing the NS was not your Afghanistan roadside IED. Bombing the NS was a deep-sea operation requiring sophisticated equipment and skills that even the elite Ukrainian armed force likely doesn’t possess. If you think some random pro-Ukrainian militia group could have done it… then I have nothing to add.
      
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      March 8, 2023 3:58pm
      - virtualmark
        
        The only difficult part would be getting your hands on enough explosives.
        
        The diving bit was well within the capabilities of commercial salvage divers. Given Ukraine has over 40 million people I’d be pretty sure they have a number of suitably qualified and experienced divers.
        
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        March 8, 2023 4:14pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Not as complicated as you think. The pipelines are not that deep. Bottom time would be limited on normal air but not so much on Nitrox. Which is readily available. A decent dive boat or fishing trawler along with experienced professional divers could have done it. Plenty of those in Ukraine, they probably having worked in the oil industry. The necessary explosives could be easily got from Ukrainian sources, even if the operation was not state sanctioned.
        The Ukrainian saboteurs theory is much more plausible than a US government sanctioned operation.
        Actual proof of a US operation would be disastrous for US/German relations and that would be well known in official US circles. Not a risk that the US government would take. And I don’t believe the CIA or US Special Forces would run such an operation without approval from extremely high levels of government.
        
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        March 8, 2023 4:15pm
      - NoCash
        
        I don’t know, but 80 to 100m underwater where the NS is sounds deep to me.
        
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        March 8, 2023 4:35pm
      - NoCash
        
        Add to that were enough explosives to destroy 50m of heavily reinforced steel and concrete pipes at that depth.
        
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        March 8, 2023 4:44pm
      - virtualmark
        
        FWIW, a news report out of Germany today:
        
        “ARD, SWR and ZEIT managed to identify the boat that was allegedly used for the secret operation. It is said to be a yacht rented from a company based in Poland, apparently owned by two Ukrainians. According to the investigation, the secret operation at sea was carried out by a team of six people. It is said to have been five men and one woman. Accordingly, the group consisted of a captain, two divers, two diving assistants and a doctor, who are said to have transported the explosives to the crimes scenes and placed them there. The nationality of the perpetrators is apparently unclear. The assassins used professionally forged passports, which are said to have been used, among other things, to rent the boat.”
        
        Translated from ze German, so a few odd wordings.
        
        ARD & SWR are public broadcast TV networks in Germany, and I think Zeit is a newspaper/magazine.
        
        No idea if this will ultimately prove accurate, so caveat emptor. But interesting detail if true.
        
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        March 8, 2023 5:44pm
      - virtualmark
        
        FYI, further info from German media overnight:
        
        * The boat of interest left Rostock on 6 September
        * Spent the night of 7 September in Wieck
        * Was later seen at Bornholm (Danish island near where the explosions occurred)
        [The explosions happened on 26 September]
        * German investigators examined the boat on 18-20 January
        * Found traces of explosives in the boat.
        * Identity of the 6 people on-board still unknown.
        
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        March 9, 2023 7:52am
Parnell Gun Club

I just caught the second half of Sean Plunket’s interview with Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown on The Platform. Mr Brown was in top form and was music to the ears of Auckland ratepayers. Can’t wait for the podcast to be available so I can listen to the whole thing. Recommend it.
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March 8, 2023 9:29am
- Nickc2
  
  That’s great. I hope he pokes it up those Maggots at the Herald in his Podcast.
  
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  March 8, 2023 11:16am
hullkiwi

I hope the the Green/Labour woke, minority, political causes labelling brigade are happy again? Because they have taken a simple process of counting the population and f****d it up by turning it into a survey to get data about any political cause that floats their boats, rather than count the population in a manner that can provide useful data about what public services are required in an area.

From last night’s exercise, the government now knows it needs to build a marae in our area (Northland) for 3 visually impaired, hard of hearing, transexual, intersexed, married, houeworking slave, Fijians who affiliate with Ngai Tahu, living in rented accommodation owned by a bank, affiliated to a Panama Trust!

Brian, Mike & Ian I hope you are happy with the waste of money.

Finally, on the radio yesterday we were being told that the process would not involve taking personal details. Rubbish!

We received a letter with a code associated with our address, and to close the survey, we are asked for our mobile phone numbers. Sorry, that was too much private information for a process that is meant to be confidential.

Brian, Mike & Ian why do your political mates need to take simple processes and turn them into political hunting expeditions and waste public money?
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March 8, 2023 9:45am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  I always thought that census data was for use by government only, but on the telly last night I heard that it will be used by Iwi as well. I was a bit surprised to hear this because as far as I know they’re not _completely_ running the show yet.
  Are there rules about who is allowed access to the data or can anybody apply for access to it?
  
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  March 8, 2023 3:04pm
  - Mike
    
    The data is used by lots of groups and individuals. that doesn’t mean individuals’ private details are made available. You can look at the stats website to find all sorts of information gathered from the census and other surveys.
    
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    March 8, 2023 3:10pm
NoCash

https://twitter.com/SenatorRomney/status/1632442304131637253?s=20

I guess the mask is completely off now.
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March 8, 2023 9:45am
- kowtow
  
  Nixon and Kissinger are feted as geniuses for breaking the China CCP Soviet axis and thereby winning the Cold War .
  
  But all we’ve really done is make China incredibly strong ( we still are ) made Russia weak and therefor extremely dangerous , while they’re still best buddies.
  
  The Cold War ain’t over .
  
  Instead of breaking countries we should surely be doing all in our power to create civil societies and true democracy .
  
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  March 8, 2023 10:10am
  - Ehlana
    
    How would you suggest we go about creating civil societies and true democracy in places like China or Russia, which lack these at present and are ruled by leaders kept in power by force?
    
    It seems to me these countries are broken already.
    
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    March 8, 2023 11:01am
    - NoCash
      
      Broken? How so? The people living there seem to be happy and are generally supportive of their government.
      
      Just because they have a different type of government to us doesn’t mean their country is broken.
      
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      March 8, 2023 11:26am
    - kowtow
      
      Not making their Elites super rich would be a start.
      
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      March 8, 2023 12:02pm
- virtualmark
  
  Shrug.
  
  That’s been the US’ open position since the beginning.
  
  First, the US will support democracies that are attacked.
  
  Second, the US is happy to bleed the military strength of one of its two main adversaries. So far the US has spent 6% of one year’s defence budget providing weapons to Ukraine, and has basically neutered Russia’s conventional military for a generation, with no loss of US lives. You could have offered that deal to any US President since Roosevelt and they’d have taken it with a huge smile on their face. This is realpolitik, not charity.
  
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  March 8, 2023 9:06pm
Ghost

Now hopefully the justice system will not give them a weak sentence if found guilty

Three men are now charged with the murder of Sandringham dairy worker Janak Patel.

Henry Fred and Shane Tane, who were initially charged with robbery, are now jointly charged, along with a third man, with the murder of Patel, which sparked a nationwide outcry last year.

Their charges were upgraded from robbery.

Frederick Hobson can now also be named as the man who was initially charged with murder.

He has pleaded not guilty to the murder, as has Henry Fred.

Tane has yet to enter a plea to the murder charge.

NZ Herald
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March 8, 2023 9:56am
- plc
  
  Does the Herald champion their iwi affiliations?
  
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  March 8, 2023 10:20am
  - MCōs
    
    Two of them have distinctly pakeha names.
    Hobson? Where have I heard that before?
    
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    March 8, 2023 11:36am
    - Nukuleka
      
      You mean a pakeha name like Willie Jackson?
      
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      March 8, 2023 12:21pm
  - Black with a Vengeance
    
    How about championing the ‘country of origin’ for European NZers also ?
    
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    March 8, 2023 11:50am
  - Ghost
    
    Why not focus on the atrocity of the crime instead of making a race issue out of this? Reminds me of the people claiming the guy that killed the Christchurch dog walker was a certain race then all shut up when he wasn’t.
    
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    March 8, 2023 12:59pm
Flossie

Journalists and/or editors do not seem to have mastered basic English.
Headline on Stuff app this morning…
“Harry Styles fills census form at concert.. Queue sighs of relief around…”
(Perhaps not an exact quote, but the “queue” part is!)
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March 8, 2023 9:57am
- mogg
  
  Again they are on cue with their queue.
  
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  March 8, 2023 11:24am
- MCōs
  
  Surprised you read about what Harry is up to.
  BTW
  He’s hardly likely to scream out ‘Fuck the census’ is he.
  Pop stars like that are long gone.
  
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  March 8, 2023 11:43am
  - graham
    
    I rather think Flossie’s point was not about whether or not Harry Styles is worth reading about …
    
    … nor even whether his filling in of the census is newsworthy or not …
    
    … but rather, the appalling standard of English being demonstrated by journalists and/or editors – you know, people whose job is to write coherently and correctly.
    
    You can bet that if they had used a Maori word incorrectly, all hell would have broken loose. As we saw, for example, when a Canterbury car dealership’s advertisement was removed due to the mispronunciation of a te reo Maori place name, which the Advertising Standards Authority proclaimed as being disrespectful and showing a lack of knowledge of Māori language.
    
    Trigger warning: The above link will take you to the Stuff website. This may be upsetting for some people. Discretion is advised.
    
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    March 8, 2023 12:50pm
Black with a Vengeance

Hmmmm…now this is a question worth asking!

“Would this have occurred if our children were white or went to a private school? Would the Police follow-up have been different?”

https://i.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/131422422/kura-lays-formal-complaint-over-armed-police-response-to-toy-gun
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March 8, 2023 10:50am
- Jack5
  
  Think a bit for once, 🌴BWAV.
  
  In the incident, these were early-teenage boys, 13 to 16. Were they children? Not in most people’s eyes except those of the Woke zealot who wants to raise the age of criminal responsibility to 19.
  
  We’ve just had a case of boys of similar age in Auckland knifing to death a motorist after a crash.
  
  Second, how accurate is the picture linked to in the Stuff article. Even with its colour, it could be confused with a 3D printed pistol of the type that criminals can use? Look at the link below.
  
  The days long gone when boys of 13 to 19, no matter their race, could safely play in public with toy pistols.
  
  But were the police in the incident White people? Lots of non-Maori serve in the police now, and some of those who are Maori are White in appearance.
  
  A 3D-printed pistol – could a toy be mistaken for one of these? This one’s coloured like many toys:
  
  https://3dgunbuilder.com/pistols/glock-19-frame-dd19-2/
  
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  March 8, 2023 1:10pm
- Ghost
  
  Until the police can confirm it is a toy gun then they have to take all precautions. Nothing racist about it.
  
  Let’s look at some other stores
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/300811000/man-arrested-for-carrying-toy-gun-in-central-wellington
  
  Here is a man that robbed a bank with a toy gun https://expatguideturkey.com/bank-robbery-with-a-toy-gun-in-istanbul/
  
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  March 8, 2023 1:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

April Fool’s Day is canceled this year, because no prank is greater than the joke that is running right now.
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March 8, 2023 10:52am
sirknz

Damned white supremacists again…

https://archive.fo/Mvm8P [$tuff archive]

A young man from Auckland before the courts on terrorism charges.

Yup, let’s have more of this diversity please, apparently it is a strength…
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March 8, 2023 11:24am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  This is a cancer which will always spread. The Dudge does not know this.
  
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  March 8, 2023 12:36pm
- NothingLeft
  
  2 years for planning (was accumulating equipment and doing reconnaissance) mass murder as a fundamentalist islamist nutjob.
  
  Lets just toss the dice and hope he rethinks his deeply held religious beliefs and decides to be nice instead. After all, what could possibly go wrong?
  
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  March 8, 2023 5:50pm
BeaB

In 2021 Grant Robertson established an implementation unit, I think within the office of the Prime Minister. He was going to be in charge to make sure government policy was delivered.
Do we know if he managed to implement or deliver anything?
Was the unit staffed and what did it cost?
What has it done, if anything?
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March 8, 2023 11:31am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Never been used, but I bet it had a cost of 100s of millions
  
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  March 8, 2023 3:21pm
BeaB

Yet another lie from Hipkins? Yesterday in Parliament he crowed that Luxon had commissioned consultants to write a report when he was chairing a business council set up by Ardern in 2018.
Luxon said no consultants were employed and the committee of CEOs wrote the report themselves.
What is the truth?
Will the media ever hold Hipkins to account for his serial lying and nastiness?
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March 8, 2023 11:36am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Ardern probably lied in cabinet
  
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  March 8, 2023 3:22pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

More on Jan 6th 2021 riot:
President Donald Trump called for the prosecution of congressional January 6 Committee members for “their lies and, quite frankly, TREASON!”
Republican Reps. Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, Democrat Reps. Bennie Johnson, Jamie Raskin, Adam Schiff, to be dealt with criminal charges.

https://valiantnews.com/2023/03/treason-trump-wants-jan-6-committee-prosecuted-after-tuckers-expose/

Ray Epps is going down.
https://valiantnews.com/2023/03/tucker-new-footage-suggests-ray-epps-lied-to-jan-6-committee/

It’s all going public. Thomas Massey joins Tucker Carlson.
https://valiantnews.com/2023/03/massie-demands-all-jan-6-footage-list-of-feds-who-attended-be-released-immediately/

Schumer is furious.
https://valiantnews.com/2023/03/furious-chuck-schumer-begs-fox-news-to-cancel-tuckers-second-jan-6-expose/

Someone is very quiet, media not reporting on someone.
Previous Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi.
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March 8, 2023 11:39am
- Nickc2
  
  Is that the fiasco that saw Nancy Pelosi’s husband Paul caught with his Dax around his knees after calling police about a break in at the Pelosi house and then telling the Police everything was ok?
  
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  March 8, 2023 12:16pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Nah, that is a separate thing. A stoner gay argument gone wrong I think. Nancy was not there. Seems she knew of this gay guy as well.
    
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    March 8, 2023 2:00pm
Swifty

No concerns about co-governance are valid and in fact all stem from the racism of the concern holder.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/300824006/weve-been-doing-cogovernance-all-along-just-look-at-the-treaty

Good to see another enemy of New Zealand’s democracy out himself – and with the cherry that he considers anyone who objects to be a filthy racist.

It really is one of the worst aspects of NZ society at present that large numbers of us attempt to stifle free and well-intentioned debate with slurs, slander and labelling.

It is a sickness and clearly Helmut is in urgent need of a doctor.
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March 8, 2023 11:45am
- Black with a Vengeance
  
  Perhaps you are confusing an ‘enemy of democracy’ with a critic of the Crown’s duplicity ?
  
  Oh and, what cure do you think the doctor might prescribe ?
  
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  March 8, 2023 12:02pm
  - Swifty
    
    I am not confused on this issue.
    
    [Mod – not long but unnecessary comment]
    
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    March 8, 2023 2:02pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  One wonders how Helmut got his job?
  Co-governance is an anathema to democratic governance.
  
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  March 8, 2023 12:04pm
- kowtow
  
  This effort to re invigorate “co governance” is interesting.
  
  Yesterday the Whoreald had an ‘opinion’ piece by one of their senior reporters Simon Wilson where he’s calling it ” consensus decision making” and ” we should be fighting for co governance and hailing those prepared to do so”
  
  This because the old way of doing things ie majority rukes isn’t about the besy ideas or arguments it’s simply the bigger team wins .
  
  Democracy in grave danger from the very institutions that should be protecting it.
  
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  March 8, 2023 3:49pm
- Swifty
  
  And now Dr Tara McAllister confirms what we suspected – that she’s a nasty racist herself, and incapable of debating a subject; instead instantly resorting to slurs and abuse.
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fGH9G3A9Gj0
  
  What a disgrace.
  
  And here she is moaning that because she’s brown that might mean she misses out on a taxpayer funded career for life:
  
  https://e-tangata.co.nz/comment-and-analysis/why-arent-universities-made-for-people-like-me/
  
  What utter rot. The poor taxpayer has got her to PhD level, you’d think she might exhibit a bit of gratitude and grace. But no. She wants a job for life too.
  
  She moans that ‘universities aren’t made for me’ as she sits in her plush taxpayer funded office and surrounded by people who will bend over backwards to attend to her every whim, so scared are they of being labelled racist by the learned professor.
  
  Again, what rot.
  
  I tell you who they aren’t made for anymore. People like me, Swifty. I wouldn’t last three months in large parts of the modern university system. I’d be drummed out as a heretic. A racist Nazi. A white supremacist. I would be unsafe. Just because I have a few questions and a few points to make.
  
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  March 8, 2023 6:26pm
mogg

In the UK a woman has been arrested by six police for thinking the wrong thoughts. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VYdkw2woMCQ
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March 8, 2023 12:18pm
- thirteenstars
  
  Yes, arrested for thoughtcrime, by actual Thought Police:
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Police
  
  No violence, no placards, no shouting, no speaking, nothing except what she was doing inside her own head.
  
  This, of course is inevitable, since silencing protest is not enough. You have to silence the communications between people (hence internet censorship) and then the thoughts inside the head.
  
  Which is really the goal of our public education system. Yes, Johnny, 2 plus 2 can equal 5 if the 4 identifies as a 5.
  
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  March 8, 2023 12:42pm
- mandk
  
  This is very clearly a case of wrongthink, and it is comforting that Big Brother is so vigilant.
  
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  March 8, 2023 1:15pm
thirteenstars

Brooke van Velden, ACT’s deputy leader, interviewed on a range of topics by The Platform’s Sean Plunket:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAL4E4GPG94

Very impressive in her clarity of speech and directness. The contrast between Luxon/Willis and Seymour/van Velden is quite staggering, with the National leadership coming off as slick and glossy and ACT’s as down-to-earth and earnest.
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March 8, 2023 12:55pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Don’t talk crap, Luxon answer questions very well and so does Willis, contrast it to Ardern and Hipkins who always say I haven’t got those figures
  
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  March 8, 2023 3:25pm
Ghost

Willie Jackson admitting the TVNZ radio nz merger will go ahead at a letter date

Broadcasting Minister Willie Jackson has denied that the $16.1 million spent on the scrapped TVNZ-RNZ merger is a waste of money – and still hopes it will go ahead one day.

Jackson was being grilled on the merger in select committee today for the first time since it was scrapped in PM Chris Hipkins’ policies bonfire on February 8.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/broadcasting-minister-willie-jackson-defends-161-million-costs-of-scrapped-tvnz-rnz-merger-next-steps/IJU2E42USZHSXGAHVJT73Q4L6U/
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March 8, 2023 1:08pm
- Jack5
  
  Here’s the TVNZ-Radio NZ merger establishment board as announced by then Broadcasting Minister Kris Faafoi last May:
  
  Former NZ First MP Tracey Martin, chairwoman; former MediaWorks chief executive Michael Anderson; TVNZ board chair and Briscoe Group director Andy Coupe; TVNZ Pacific correspondent Barbara Dreaver; Bailey Mackey, an NZ Rugby director and Maori Broadcasting Advisory Panel member; Jim Mather, Radio NZ board chairman and former Maori Television chairman; ANZ Bank executive and Radio NZ board member ; former Kordia Group chairman, John Quirk; and tech entrepreneur and augmented reality producer, Aliesha Staples.
  
  From the Herald report: “Cabinet papers state that the daily rate for the board chairwoman Tracey Martin was $1150 and the other eight members $865 each.”
  
  Intrigued by Staples’s technology background, I found she’s from a film industry background and is the business of training that includes use of computer virtual reality technology, in which the view depicted changes as your head moves. It also includes augmented reality, which Microsoft describes as “an enhanced, interactive version of a real-world environment achieved through digital visual elements, sounds, and other sensory stimuli via holographic technology.
  
  Staples won the NZ “high tech young achiever” award in 2017 and 2018, and is a director of TVNZ.
  
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  March 8, 2023 1:44pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Tell Willy he’s dreamin!
    The next time Willie’s in Parliament, he’ll be pushing a Zimmer Frame and sitting in the Visitor’s Gallery such are his blatant racist rants and policies.
    
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    March 8, 2023 2:20pm
  - Jack5
    
    😬Whoops! In the list of TBNZ-RNZ establishment board members in my 1.44 post, I left out the name of the “ANZ Bank executive and Radio NZ board member”. He is Peter Parussini, who is also a former TVNZ executive.
    
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    March 8, 2023 4:09pm
I remember when

Is the rugby judiciary achieving its purpose?
The Red Card decision they reached was probably as good as Ardie Savea could have expected.
However, was the whole incident handled adequately and were the right decisions made.
* After viewing the incident a number of times I don’t remember seeing the referee speak to the original combatants afterwards.
* Until they cut to him being held and holding an opposing player there didn’t seem to be anything on the officials’ ‘replays.’
* Despite Australian players taking part in all three incidents no conversations with them, by the referee, seemed to take place.
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March 8, 2023 1:12pm
- Nickc2
  
  Ardie could have said the Brumbies Halfback called him a derogatory racist name but he didn’t, he’s one of the great Gentlemen of the game of Rugby Union.
  What would the judiciary have done then?
  One has to accept there will be a bit of sledging when we play the Aussies at anything, even marbles.
  
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  March 8, 2023 2:26pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Something nasty was said, he never usually reacts, I suggest it probably was a racist slur, the weird thing is Savea was binned for simply pulling the two fighters apart, I would have thought he had the right as captain to restrain his player
    
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    March 8, 2023 3:28pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Agree, that was until Aussie Rules reared its ugly head.
      You can never beat an Aussie at anything. You may come first, get more points or even knock the Aussie out but as far as the Aussie Media is concerned, only Aussies win.
      
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      March 8, 2023 4:53pm
Ghost

Perhaps a bit off Queen is need for this post. Queen – Another One Bites The Dust

Ruth Dyson, the deputy chair of the Earthquake Commission and Fire and Emergency New Zealand (FENZ), will review her social media use after concern was raised about the political nature of some tweets.

She’s also admitted she hasn’t read the code of conduct, which includes a section on being politically impartial.

Newshub
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March 8, 2023 1:13pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  So it seems she is a bit of a vacuum?
  
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  March 8, 2023 1:57pm
  - Bob
    
    She was a vacuum when she was in the main trough of government.
    
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    March 8, 2023 2:13pm
- Prince
  
  These rules don’t apply to the Left. They are doing God’s work.
  
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  March 8, 2023 2:07pm
  - Black with a Vengeance
    
    Isn’t Luxon the one politicking for Jesus ?
    
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    March 8, 2023 2:39pm
- Hugh Jarse
  
  Ghost, she was a Minister on two separate occasions and a Labour MP for 21 years, she should have known what her role Board member required after that amount of parliamentary service. It seems she made a conscious decision to ignore any Code of Conduct requirements. She should be sacked.
  
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  March 8, 2023 9:06pm
Swifty

Ruth Dyson goes for the George Constanza defence:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/485535/former-labour-mp-ruth-dyson-caught-up-in-political-neutrality-crackdown

“If only someone has told me having sex on a desk in the office was not ok then I wouldn’t have done it!”
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March 8, 2023 2:23pm
Black with a Vengeance

What y’all reading or just read ?

The God Delusion -Richard Dawkins.
A boringly self absorbed old dog with a well gnawed bone he refuses to let go of.

Genesis – Guido Tonelli.
Perfectly encapsulated the Pasifikan whakapapa from singularity to me.

Letters to a Contrarian – Christopher Hitchens.
A great manifesto for the aspiring shitstirrer in all of us.

The New Net Goes Fishing – Witi Ihimaera.
The more things changed, the more they stay the same.
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March 8, 2023 2:37pm
slightlyrighty

Just watched Erica Stanford question Jan Tinetti in the house.

OMG. If Tinetti was that bad as a teacher, it’s a good thing she’s in politics!
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March 8, 2023 2:51pm
- Yabster
  
  she was prob one of the better teachers….
  
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  March 8, 2023 3:20pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  She is matching Curran and Poto Williams
  
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  March 8, 2023 3:30pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Did someone give her a hairbrush yet?.
  Seriously, Jan Tinetti, just have a look at it.
  I don’t mean this in a bad way but you are a Minister of the NZ Parliament.
  
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  March 8, 2023 6:35pm
Ghost

Room with a view? But how the heck did you let this get so bad Andrew little?

A temporary 12-bed ward on the roof of Wellington Regional Hospital has been given the go-ahead so work to replace leaky copper pipes can continue, with patients expected to be up there this winter..

An application asked Wellington City Council to urgently approve a plan to house patients in a temporary ward on the roof of level 3, with hospital management calling it “the only practical solution” to enable the pipe work to continue.

Stuff
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March 8, 2023 6:55pm
Ghost

labour would be demanding ministers fired for this if national were in

Public health boss in Labour ad: Why no rules may have been broken

Dr Nick Chamberlain, the director of the National Public Health Service, appeared in a Labour Party ad.

“It shows how relaxed Labour are about blurring these lines,” said ACT leader David Seymour.

Newshub has been told Dr Chamberlain wasn’t aware the Labour Party was going to use him in an ad.
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March 8, 2023 7:11pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

I have been given the word from the Speaker of the house., to eat and go to bed!
Ok
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March 8, 2023 7:52pm
Southern Raider

Not only admitted she didn’t read the code of conduct, but walked out saying to the media unrepentantly “I’m Labour”

How does Ruth Dyson still and a job on any planet
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March 8, 2023 7:57pm
- Prince
  
  The ultimate Labour “Public Servant’. The Party first, and stuff the rules.
  
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