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NeverMindTheBollocks

Interesting that Georgina Beyer was abandoned by Labour post her stint in Parliament. A clip on One News last night had her commenting that her former colleagues would practically cross the street to avoid her.

Looks like another Stalinesque purge casualty of the People’s Party.

Which is in sharp contrast to how she continued to be regarded by the good but conservative people of Carterton. Go figure.
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March 7, 2023 8:01am
- Rusty
  
  @Never.. Georgina was living on a benefit towards the end of her life. All the money she earned as a MP was spent on medical expenses.
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:41am
- Libertarians are right
  
  I see Lousia Wall wrote an article about Beyer on Stuff which explains a lot.
  
  The Left don’t care about individual’s rights. What they care about is using “rights” as a tool to get power and as a weapon.
  
  People like Beyer and Wall only care about the rights and were never really interested in using them as weapons which is why they were effectively purged.
  
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  March 7, 2023 10:15am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    “the party comes first”
    
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    March 7, 2023 10:45am
  - Thought Criminal
    
    Great comment LaR. This point is proven by the way Labour scream about how others treat staff compared to how they treat staff. Also by how they say others should treat victims of abuse compared to how they treat the people that were abused on their watch.
    
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    March 7, 2023 10:48am
  - Matt Long
    
    Has anyone heard how Louisa’s Ambassadorship to making the Pacific gayer is going?
    
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    March 7, 2023 11:10am
    - david
      
      She was in Sydney representing you at the Mardi Gras last weekend. Great gig eh!
      
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      March 7, 2023 12:06pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Uh-oh!

Dr Hilding Neilson, a Mi’kmaq person and a scientist at the Memorial University of Newfoundland and Labrador … said that in Canada Indigenous peoples had rights and responsibilities to unceded and treaty land, with the absence of a height limit, meaning those concerns extend to the skies above. What’s more, he said Indigenous people had deep connections with bodies such as the moon.

“Part of that connection is inherent to the culture and the way of living and way of knowing,” he said, adding any damage to such bodies was therefore a concern.

As a result, Neilson said those working on space missions, such as the Nasa Artemis programme – which seeks to establish a long-term presence on the moon and eventually send humans to Mars – should engage with Indigenous people in advance.

“Right now when we look at the moon in terms of the space missions and colonisation it is very much as a dead object to be conquered. And that’s not how many Indigenous peoples see it,” he said.

“So when we go [and] do things like mining on the moon, are we creating harm and are we essentially cheering on the history of colonialism in ways that are harmful to some peoples?”

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/mar/04/end-colonial-approach-to-space-exploration-scientists-urge
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March 7, 2023 8:02am
- Random T Person
  
  Fucking LOL.
  Colonialists are learning the hard way why, when a nation, tribe, etc was conquered, it had to be fully subjugated or extirpated as a hardier species of Aussie apparently attempted.
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:42am
- Raphael
  
  there is this modern leftist fantasy that somehow “indigenous” people are in harmony with nature.
  
  They aren’t in harmony any more than any other group of humans. All races have exploited nature to the best of their technological abilities at the time.
  
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  March 7, 2023 10:00am
  - Random T Person
    
    Also, nature absolutely sucks. It is incredibly inhospitable.
    
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    March 7, 2023 10:08am
  - kowtow
    
    Nope , I believe the left doesn’t give a shit for “indigenous” people .
    
    They simply use them as yet another way to bash the “west”.
    
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    March 7, 2023 10:59am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    It’s not modern. It goes back to at least Rousseau and his “Noble Savage”.
    
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    March 7, 2023 11:11am
    - Michael Johnston
      
      Yes, Rousseau has a lot to answer for. The misguided philosophy underpinning our failing education system can also be traced back to his ideas. In this case it’s his patently false idea that humans are born in a state of natural perfection.
      
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      March 8, 2023 8:32am
- Matt Long
  
  Just because one idiot says it and another idiot reports it, and more idiots publish it doesn’t mean American Indians are all idiots.
  The Guardian loves to publish garbage like this to reinforce their white saviour notions.
  
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  March 7, 2023 10:11am
- Loddenthinks
  
  All I’ll say is that when we colonise the moon, we should definitely open negotiations with the indigenous peoples that live on the moon – yes, all of them! – with a view to getting a new treaty signed before anyone does anything.
  
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  March 7, 2023 4:20pm
Bridgenag

In San Francisco, if you don’t wear a mask, they can put you in prison
The good news is that after they put you in prison, you aren’t required to wear a mask. 
https://open.substack.com/pub/stevekirsch/p/in-san-francisco-if-you-dont-wear?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
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March 7, 2023 8:04am
- krazykiwi
  
  Interesting. Hey, also have a look at how to post links. Give it a crack 🙂
  
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  March 7, 2023 12:05pm
  - Bridgenag
    
    Sorry computer moron here…. I just copy their link
    
    [Mod – nothing wrong with how you are doing it]
    
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    March 7, 2023 1:11pm
    - Simon Arnold
      
      However if it has a question mark in the link it may indicate that from there on are parameters that inform the website about things like how you got there.
      
      In this case you can see its from someone clicking on a link from an email campaign perhaps. Heavens knows what the ‘r’ parameter is about.
      
      So in general check what the link looks like and if it has a ‘?’ in it trying deleting it and everything that follows and see if it still works. If it does use that.
      
      Just FWIW.
      
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      March 7, 2023 7:18pm
artemisia

The phrase ‘wasteful spending’, followed by an example or three, is getting increasing airtime. It can, and IMO should, be included in every speech – in and out of the House – interview, opinion piece, street corner meeting…. We saw in the last couple of elections the powerful effect of slogans from Labour and Greens. Worked for them.

As an example, Mayor Wayne Brown is looking out for ratepayers by forcing cost cutting. He campaigned on it. Voters liked it. National proposing to redirect spending to actual voters rather than consultants is similarly a good start. National has form in requiring line-by-line reviews of spending, and will for certain do this again if they can form a new government. Softly, softly ….
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March 7, 2023 8:08am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Now common sense would suggest that if you are going “beat” climate change by seeking alternative energy sources you would these in place before shutting down the existing cheap reliable sources.
  Not so our Aussie mates. They are knocking down coal fired power stations without having any alternative in place. The Idiot Malcolm Turnbull proposed Snowy River 2.0 back in 2015 estimated to cost $2B. Its now up to $20B and rising. It was to pump water uphill and then release it in a hydro scheme. The problem is the tunnelling machine got stuck in the mouth of the first tunnel a year ago and they havent figured a way to get it out.
  In addition solar farm developers say the cost of panels ( produced in China) has risen 60%. Aussie sends its high quality coal to China to power their stations plus the 100 plus they are currently building.
  Sort of makes our lot look like smart by comparison.
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:23am
  - Cassandra
    
    No it doesn’t, just equally dopey.
    
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    March 7, 2023 9:28am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    When I wrote this in June last year, Lessons for National from the Australian Power Crisis, I thought National would learn from it, but with recent talk from Luxon and Muller I guess not.
    
    Check out the graph of indexed (1990) Australian power prices from 1955 to 2017. A steady drop up until the mid-2000’s when the effects of the NEM start to bite. By the end of that graph they’re back to where they were at the start – and things have got much worse since 2017. Also check out who has been in power for much of the latter period, Aussie’s equivalent of the National Party, the Liberals.
    
    Also check out the global survey of about ten million people about their “concerns”. Climate Change in last place out of sixteen issues. Every question on that should have attached the key point: How much are you prepared to pay to reduce GHG emissions”?
    
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    March 7, 2023 11:21am
Nickc2

Do you believe the FORESTRY SLASH problem created by Cyclone Gabrielle resulted from a political decision?

Uptick YES
Downtick NO

Comments welcome.
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March 7, 2023 8:24am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  It was fairly widely commented that the political decision was made by the Green party who banned the previous practice of burning of slash to ash (to promote soil regeneration as well as remove the slash hazard). Not sure how much of a rural myth that is but it wouldn’t be their party’s first unintended consequences.
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:33am
  - Bob
    
    Not a myth, a undeniable TRUTH!
    
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    March 7, 2023 9:42am
  - crikey
    
    Kiwikidsnz: Just a minor point – the political decision … was not made by the Greens, they persuaded the Government and or Local Government of the day to make the decision. The Greens don’t have that power in their own right.
    
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    March 7, 2023 10:03am
    - sirknz
      
      Semantics mate. The Greens pushed it.
      
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      March 7, 2023 10:13am
- nathie
  
  Helen Clark’s Labour Govt stopped the burning of slash.
  
  Source: The Country 3 March 2023.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-country/news/the-country-full-show-friday-march-3-2023/AKXUDTSHT5B4TFYCOQPFVLWZOA/
  
  Listen to interview with Forestry industry’s Dennis Neilson (starts from the 10 min mark).
  
  From the 15 min mark he says NZ used to burn slash but that stopped under the Clark Labour Govt.
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:34am
- nathie
  
  Also, remember the media coverage back in the 2000’s about Labour killing off the West Coast forestry industry by banning the harvesting of native trees?
  
  Also recall there was much concern from Forestry workers/industry that Labour even prevented them from harvesting already fallen logs (native trees). So no different to today on the North Island East Coast.
  
  Which had a high value for both exports and domestic use eg furniture and house fittings etc.
  
  Labour were enabling the far-left Green Party agenda back then under Clark … fast forward to today and Labour (especially under Ardern) continue to enable far-left Green Party policy (eg O&G bans, plastic bag bans, cycleways over roadways, trainsets for all etc)!
  
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  March 7, 2023 10:01am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Yep. Went to a meeting in a West Coast town a few years back.
    One of the guests was an artisan guy who made wooden bowls, bread boards, ornaments etc.
    Not allowed to use any fallen native timber though.
    There was a lake near the town over which in early days, native timber was barged. Sometimes the logs fell off into the water and sank.
    People had started retrieving them from the bottom of the lake where they had been for many decades, with the idea of drying them out and using them for various carvings as above.
    No. Can’t do that. Banned.
    
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    March 7, 2023 10:41am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Trees must be left in the place they died, to decompose naturally.
      I will never understand what makes Greens tick.
      
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      March 7, 2023 10:49am
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        I can never understand why people obey mad law.
        
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        March 7, 2023 12:35pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yes Political forced by the crazy Greens. Not actually ‘made’ by the Greens, but used as a tool.
  Now, to hold the Forestry Companies responsible – along with the flaky Greens.
  No dice there, they will duck for cover.
  
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  March 7, 2023 10:43am
- Ghost
  
  I wonder why the greens never went after farm burn offs.
  
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  March 7, 2023 10:55am
  - Matt Long
    
    Never?
    
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    March 7, 2023 6:30pm
hullkiwi

Double standards on double standards. Chippy on Steve Maharrey versus Rob Campbell.

Only in the world of a governing party that lives in a world of spin & deceit.
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March 7, 2023 8:30am
- Libertarians are right
  
  No, not really.
  
  Maharey, as a former Labour MP writes opinion pieces as such. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. He isn’t making those comments as the head of Pharmac or ACC.
  
  Campbell did it on a public platform that directly links to his Government roles. That is problematic.
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:38am
  - Bob
    
    Maharey holds an appointed position in a government facility; as such he must be non political.
    Maharey has previously written articles pro Labour/anti National without distancing himself from his appointment. Straight jut politicking by association, ex labour MP’s can’t help themselves. Note the Davis article in today’s Horrid.
    
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    March 7, 2023 9:46am
    - Ruawai
      
      Bob MP’s such as Davis don’t have to be neutral, just public servant employees and appointments.
      
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      March 7, 2023 10:43am
  - Raphael
    
    Nope. if you are a senior civil servant, especially the head of a civil service, like Health and ACC and Pharmac etc. you should remain politically neutral.
    
    If you want to make political comments, you need to find a job that doesn’t require you to be politically neutral.
    
    This should apply regardless of whether or not I disagree with the message the person wants to send.
    
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    March 7, 2023 10:08am
  - Paulus
    
    Isn’t he still Vice Chancellor of Massey Uni ?
    
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    March 7, 2023 10:23am
    - stewmar
      
      Isn’t he still Vice Chancellor of Massey Uni ?
      
      Paulus he is no longer VC of Massey
      
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      March 7, 2023 10:37am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    I’m no defender of Rob Campbell but untruths have been put about regarding his status on LinkedIn. He’s in my network for some reason, I can’t recall how or who connected, but we both have governance experience and I’m a member of the Institute of Directors so it might be from that.
    
    I was aware of his comments before they blew up, and his profile did not say he was Chair of the Health Ministry at any stage. I’ve heard the idiot Plunket and others state that his profile made it clear in what capacity he was posting, and that even though LinkedIn is primarily used for business, it is a true social media platform so he should’ve known better.
    
    While it is a business-based social media platform, it would not have been immediately obvious from either the posts or his profile that he held that role.
    
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    March 7, 2023 4:28pm
- Nickc2
  
  IMO, this is a Left vs Right faction within the Labour Party.
  Campell was and still is from the powerful Left Faction (Unions) and Maharey is from the Right/Academic faction. These factions only come together if there is a common cause and this is the case where both factions are hell-bent on getting a Labour Govt re-elected.
  It is also my opinion that both of these people should be given the chop as they hold positions where being apolitical is of the essence.
  BTW, the dirty tricks of a desperate Labour Party have only just begun.
  
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  March 7, 2023 3:07pm
Yvette

Russia-Ukraine war: NZ Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta declines plea for help over grain harvest
A desperate plea from the besieged Ukrainian Government to a New Zealand agri-business company for specialist help for the 2023 grain harvest was blocked by Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta, the Herald can reveal
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/russia-ukraine-war-desperate-plea-for-help-over-2023-ukraine-grain-harvest-declined-by-foreign-minister-nanaia-mahuta/6K3T2RSHAFG3PCYHOZ2O4PEG6I/
pay-walled

So compare –
As the first indigenous woman to lead this portfolio, I believe we have a prime opportunity to call on the bi-cultural values that have characterised who we are.
Values such as:
• manaaki – kindness or the reciprocity of goodwill;
• whanaunga – our connectedness or shared sense of humanity;
• mahi tahi and kotahitanga – collective benefits and shared aspiration; and,
• kaitiaki – protectors and stewards of our intergenerational wellbeing.
Each of these values when expressed in a relationship gives a sense that everything is connected and purposeful. What the world needs now is a commitment towards empathy, sustainability, and intergenerational solutions for wellbeing.
New Zealand will be a predictable and reliable partner. When I refer to being predictable I also mean that you will see New Zealand applying the values that reflect who we are as a nation.
– Hon Nanaia Mahuta, Inaugural Foreign Policy Speech to Diplomatic Corps
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/inaugural-foreign-policy-speech-diplomatic-corps

Is news media reporting of the decline of Ukraine’s specific request inadequate, or has Mahuta not given specific reason’s for her rejection of this plea for help?

Did Cabinet make the decision, or did Mahuta make it herself – as did McCully in the infamous UN Security Council Resolution 2334, receiving attention in the Labour / New Zealand First Coalition Agreement

Or are the values of • manaaki – kindness or the reciprocity of goodwill; • whanaunga – our connectedness or shared sense of humanity; • mahi tahi and kotahitanga – collective benefits and shared aspiration; and, • kaitiaki – protectors and stewards of our intergenerational wellbeing, not really that helpful after all?
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March 7, 2023 8:33am
- Jack5
  
  The Government went cold on the grain loaders because the approach was through a private NZ firm, and not through the Wellington bureaucracy.
  
  That’s the message in a report in the Herald today of Hipkins defending Mahuta’s rejection of the request. It includes this:
  
  Hipkins told Newstalk ZB’s Mike Hosking that to his understanding the Kiwi company had approached the Ukrainian Government who then accepted the offer for the grain stackers. The company then approached the New Zealand Government requesting funding.
  
  “That isn’t the way we deliver international aid, if the Ukrainian Government ask New Zealand for something then of course we have processes on how we can best support that.”
  
  Hipkins said obligation could not be put on the Government to fund assistance to Ukraine which had been offered through only a company.
  
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  March 7, 2023 10:30am
  - Ghost
    
    What I find funny about this is yesterdays article paywalled so it couldn’t be read, todays explanation not paywalled….
    
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    March 7, 2023 10:33am
    - Jack5
      
      The Ardern-Hipkins regime has been one of colossal spending, and of Social Credit-style printing of money.
      
      Today, Hipkins says in the Herald report of the NZ grain elevators and Ukraine: “”We can’t start writing cheques.”
      
      😁😅😂
      
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      March 7, 2023 11:38am
hullkiwi

The poor Brylcream kid. Big press release with policies that align Labour & the Greens, but not with the PM’S office and the mood in the country.

Wood, you got cut off at the knees with a programme that loses more votes than it gains!
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March 7, 2023 8:33am
- Prince
  
  There is a fascinating battle developing between Wood and Hipkins.
  Wood doubled down on Labour’s Light Rail plans, and cycleway/bus lanes, without checking with the ninth floor that it was OK.
  I understand some terse messages have been delivered, but Wood is playing the long game for leadership after October.
  Watch this space.
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:57am
  - Matt Long
    
    For Wood a big loss for Hipkins in October would be ideal.
    
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    March 7, 2023 10:22am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      And if Wood for brains becomes Labour leader that would mean 12 years of power for National.
      He is an insufferable creep.
      
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      March 7, 2023 10:27am
  - Paulus
    
    I still thik that the Unionist Wood will take over from Hipkins when he loses the Election.
    Patience.
    
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    March 7, 2023 10:25am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    Please, oh please, let it be true. Chippy is nasty but Wood is weapons-grade incompetent. A living example of the Dunning-Kruger syndrome and a poster boy for the Peter Principle.
    
    We haven’t seen a FIGJAM since Simon Power retired from politics. Do we have a new contender?
    
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    March 7, 2023 4:31pm
- Nickc2
  
  I detect that Wood has aspirations of becoming the leader of the Labour Party post Hipkins defeat at the next election.
  IMO, Hipkins knows this and is hell-bent on cutting the poison dwarf off at the knees.
  Watch this space.
  
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  March 7, 2023 3:17pm
Widogast Corwin

As we all know, everything the Government attempts to achieve just makes things worse. Sometimes that does not matter much.

However we are now going to have a “National Food Plan”. It is unclear why we need one or how it will work. It will “embrace treaty obligations and reflect te ao Māori.”

So based on experience, expect food to become scarce and more expensive. A bit like the Great Leap Forward with Aotearoan Characteristics. 😭

http://offsettingbehaviour.blogspot.com/2023/02/daft-idea-of-day.html?m=1
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March 7, 2023 8:35am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Widogast Corwin – with every passing week, this coalition in charge of this country descends deeper into the gutter. The most inept, clueless bunch of ideological morons I have ever seen in over 60 years.
  Unbelievably stupid people, and increasingly racist.
  
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  March 7, 2023 8:45am
  - Yvette
    
    ClanMcleod – Unbelievably stupid people, and increasingly racist
    
    “Racist” but perhaps more specifically: Maori Superiority, Maori Exceptionalism, or Maori Aryanism
    
    All something the Race Relations Commissioner should heed.
    There is a race relations case to for attention when any ethnic group is diminished, and surely a corollary that any group raised unwarranted above others should be also addressed.
    
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    March 7, 2023 9:48am
    - Prince
      
      According to the RRC only white people can be racist.
      
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      March 7, 2023 9:58am
      - Yvette
        
        Prince, I don’t think Maori are themselves changing all Government department names, or writing reports with intermingling of Maori words and terms to more vast Maori input, or all the others forms of Maori Superiority, Maori Exceptionalism, or Maori Aryanism, without the actions of non-Maori – without the help of “white” people
        
        The Race Relations Commissioner needs to realise he should be acting with • manaaki – kindness or the reciprocity of goodwill; • whanaunga – our connectedness or shared sense of humanity; • mahi tahi and kotahitanga – collective benefits and shared aspiration; • kaitiaki – protectors and stewards of our intergenerational wellbeing; and above all • taurite – equality
        
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        March 7, 2023 10:39am
  - Loddenthinks
    
    It’s not a coalition, Clan.
    
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    March 7, 2023 4:32pm
- Gravelroad
  
  @Widogast-
  Are fumes and smoke emanating from a hangi considered to be dangerous emissions which contribute to deadly climate change?
  Perhaps the “National Food Plan” should recommend that hangi cooking be limited.
  
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  March 7, 2023 8:45am
  - kowtow
    
    Not to mention the extraction of important deposits of rocks and minerals from beaches and rivers in order to create that stored heat .
    
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    March 7, 2023 8:50am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    I think it is more likely that a hangi will be all we have 🙂
    
    It is such a stupid idea that it almost defies belief. We have thousands of years of history that show that markets deliver food. My local Italian, Indian, and Chinese food stores stock, literally any food ingredient you could ever want from those countries. My local hard working green grocer stocks fresh, seasonal produce. Run by a chinese family who I am sure work 80 hours per week.
    
    I could go on but you get the picture. Every time Governments have attempted to screw around with food, everything gets worse. China 1966. Sri Lanka 2022.
    
    In any other country, this idea would be ridiculed and squashed.
    
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    March 7, 2023 9:02am
    - Prince
      
      National should add this to the ‘waste of public money’ list.
      
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      March 7, 2023 9:59am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Why would a modern 1st world democracy like NZ need a National Food Plan?
  Answer clearly speak that we are no longer……
  
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  March 7, 2023 8:53am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    It is being promoted by someone named Iain Lees-Galloway of Aotearoa Food Rescue Alliance (AFRA) and Chief executive of Eat New Zealand, Angela Clifford, who says:
    
    “The real question is the cost of not implementing a plan. The current situation leaves us hungry, unwell and ecologically diminished. That’s its true cost.”
    
    Well the people who can’t afford decent food can blame the Government and the Governor of RBNZ for stoking inflation.
    
    The only thing a “plan’ could do is to regulate the production and distribution of food. We all get food rationing cards. The line seems to be “some people are hungry while others are eating peking duck. That is not fair.”
    
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    March 7, 2023 9:24am
    - Bob
      
      Ahhhh! that intellectual giant Lees-Galloway.
      What could possibly go wrong with said ‘Food Plan’?
      
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      March 7, 2023 9:50am
    - Gravelroad
      
      It is simple:
      People choose what to spend their money on.
      For many – the priority is not food.
      It might be that alcohol, cigarettes, meth, cannabis , tattoos, the dog/s and a new car are all more important to them.
      This is ingrained into society.
      And it can’t be changed by a food plan.
      
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      March 7, 2023 9:51am
    - artemisia
      
      Chief executive of Eat New Zealand, Angela Clifford, says:
      “The real question is the cost of not implementing a plan. The current situation leaves us hungry, unwell and ecologically diminished. That’s its true cost.”
      
      So Ms Clifford, do tell us the true cost since you clearly know what it is. Include references. Thanks.
      
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      March 7, 2023 10:25am
      - Ruawai
        
        Don’t see many people starving, thin and malnourished in NZ.
        
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        March 7, 2023 10:48am
      - Ghost
        
        Plenty of elderly go without meals because of the high cost of living.
        
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        March 7, 2023 10:52am
      - Sparrow
        
        Is Ms Clifford of Eat New Zealand proposing that we go back to pre 1840. Was that part of the treaty ?
        
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        March 7, 2023 11:37am
  - Sideoiler
    
    Why would a modern 1st world democracy like NZ need a National Food Plan?
    Answer clearly speak that we are no longer……,
    
    Why would a country of five million people, whose primary industry is to produce enough food to feed fourty million people every year need a national food plan?
    
    I smell a rat!
    
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    March 7, 2023 10:33am
    - Ehlana
      
      Oh, you can smell that? Sorry, I’ll ask the cat to be more considerate in disposal in future.
      
      Meantime, who exactly is “hungry, unwell and ecologically diminished”?
      
      Given the abundance of food available in New Zealand, that would suggest poor money management, self-care, and education for employment. We don’t need to produce more food to solve this problem, we might need to direct some people to budget services, doctors, and their local polytechnic.
      
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      March 7, 2023 10:59am
      - Ghost
        
        It would also suggest the cost of living has risen above what some can afford. We’re heading into winter when many elderly go without meals so they can afford to heat their homes. But the summer has sent them going without meals as it is to pay the increasing costs of living.
        
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        March 7, 2023 11:04am
      - Taieri
        
        We’re heading into winter when many elderly go without meals so they can afford to heat their homes.
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        Don’t they get $35/week energy payment anymore?
        
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        March 7, 2023 12:11pm
      - Ghost
        
        What does $35 cover now days? Foods gone up, petrols gone up, rent, electricity, phone. By the time some get to the winter energy bonus they’ve already spent it over summer and put it on the plastic to survive through summer.
        
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        March 7, 2023 12:19pm
      - marcw
        
        No, we get $40/fortnight energy subsidy.
        
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        March 7, 2023 12:26pm
      - Countrygirl
        
        Well there are free vegetables in a public garden near us. I never see anyone in there, nor walking away with bag loads of produce. I must admit I’m considering stopping and helping myself. I might even pull a weed to help out.
        
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        March 7, 2023 4:32pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Good Point,
    Why would NZ need a National Food Plan .
    This equals Food security , With this in mind, What NZ needs is a “Secure Supply Chain”.
    I really don’t think people realise how much comes overseas in Containers.
    So with this in mind, How secure is NZ’s Food Security ( Plan) ?
    
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    March 7, 2023 11:05am
- Bloody Dago
  
  On the other side bar to this crisis, I cant believe New Zealanders are that stupid that they don’t understand this: Your going to and already are giving the clown car in Wellington money to change the climate. Just ruminate that concept in light of the last month of weather we have had in this country. When are you going to wakeup to the absolute fact that its all about controlling you, just like WhuFlu, the lockdowns, MIQ, the borders, etc etc. It will be descent into New Zenezuela eventually.
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:00am
- Scott
  
  It’s amazing to me that having failed badly in everything they touch the government wants to lead a national food plan! It makes no rational sense?
  
  But then you realise it’s not rational, it’s ideological.
  You realise that another name for a national food plan is “socialism”.
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:05am
  - Sparrow
    
    This is National Socialism I.e. Nazi. I watched a short video recently about how the Nazis introduced a food programme it was frightening. In no way am I condoning this however there was some justification for this. Germans had suffered terribly during the depression many had starved to death. No similarities to present day NZ. Its simply about CONTROL and these student politicians academics and university brain washed bureaucrats know best. 1984 we have arrived.
    
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    March 7, 2023 9:34am
    - Bob
      
      NZ is volume TWO of the Orwellian book 1984!
      
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      March 7, 2023 9:51am
  - gravedodger
    
    Yep yip that is it you will know when you see it, oh and Poor old Ian Lees Galloway needs the dosh.
    
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    March 7, 2023 11:46am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  We will set up a working group to report on why we need this.
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:12am
  - RalphT
    
    And don’t forget, the working group will need the help of oodles of consultants.
    
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    March 7, 2023 9:14am
    - Countrygirl
      
      And I just heard on HDPA that 2M is being set aside for consultants for Maori health. I thought it had already been determined that Maori are not as healthy as other peoples.
      
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      March 7, 2023 4:35pm
- artemisia
  
  The first response to lobby groups pushing their barrows should be – ”Fair enough, before we take this further please use your undoubted expertise to report back on assumptions, costs and benefits so we can understand the contexts. No need to spend weeks or months on this, but we are sure that as experts you will be able to provide forward implications supported by data.”
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:12am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Would be interesting to see unhappy KBloggers doing even a fraction of this …. 🙂
    
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    March 7, 2023 9:46am
    - artemisia
      
      Fair comment, should apply to any reasonably formal proposal by a lobby group. Informal or off the cuff policy suggestions would get a pass, but if a proposal is put forward the proposers should at least provide their supporting data.
      
      As an example ECE is in the news again today, with some criticism of current funding from Kindergarten teacher and NZEI delegate Virginia Oakly.
      
      “And we know how crucial a child’s first 1000 days are. If we can get everything right at that age, we can actually save a lot of money later on in terms of social services, education and health. …. The funded teacher-to-child ratio is just not safe. “
      
      So if a proposal for increased funding is put forward by those organisations, it should be required to include supporting data that can inform the funding process.
      
      If current funding is making children unsafe, that’s a big issue and should be addressed as absolute top priority. So let’s see the data.
      
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131414506/the-pressures-on-but-neither-labour-or-national-will-commit-to-free-childcare
      
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      March 7, 2023 10:20am
- Apteryx
  
  Yes, this is madness. Not to be left out, the newly-minted Green mayor of Wellington has presided over the release of an action plan for “Our city’s food future”.
  
  The first ambition is that “everyone in Wellington has dignified and secure access to nutritious, affordable and culturally appropriate food”. Another is that “mana whenua and Maori are activating kai and soil sovereignty in relation to the cultural landscapes”.
  
  What these mean isn’t clear. What is clear is that this isn’t an action plan. The end points are not specific (e.g. “increased access”, “increased opportunities”). The actions are vague (e.g. “through partnerships”, “investigate”, “benchmarking the council’s food security activation”). There’s no evidence of a plan for monitoring and evaluation.
  
  While the pipes leak and the roads crumble, the council comes up with waffle and nonsense such as this. Incredible.
  
  https://wellington.govt.nz/-/media/environment-and-sustainability/sustainability/files/sustainable-food/food-future-action-plan.pdf?la=en&hash=A3AE8EDDD1AB9733E4C83597662A02D3187D57DA
  
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  March 7, 2023 1:09pm
  - Countrygirl
    
    So does cultural food really mean kumara, seafood, eels, pigeons, rats and puha. If so, I’d say go for it. I can live without most of those and can just stick to colonial food.
    
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    March 7, 2023 4:39pm
ClanMcleod

The more I see and hear about Mayor Wayne Brown the more I admire him. When he has finished fixing Auckland he should become leader of the National Party and fix that next, before it is too late.

The axe has started to fall on jobs across the Auckland Council group to address a $295 million hole in Mayor Wayne Brown’s first budget.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-mayor-wayne-browns-cost-cutting-budget-triggers-early-job-losses-with-more-to-come/KQE2FXRUCNCWXMKD3Z6YRDZSZE/
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March 7, 2023 8:47am
- RoboRob
  
  Amazing. Who would have thought that the solution to a budget problem would be cutting costs! I had always thought it was to spend more on ‘exciting’ grandiose projects while neglecting boring things like roads and water. If there is a problem just borrow more, raise rates or beg the govt for a bailout.
  
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  March 7, 2023 8:54am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    RoboRob – what did Cindy call it? – “aspiration”. Indeed.
    
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    March 7, 2023 9:35am
- peterwn
  
  Meanwhile in Wellington, the Green led City Council has denied $8M to fix leaks and other 3 waters issues. Council is hell bent on building cycle ways which few use, rainbow crossings, spending on social housing (never mind that is central government’s job), turning Lambton Quay into a wilderness, etc, etc, etc.
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:03am
  - Prince
    
    The Greens are showing their true colours.
    While justifying rates increase of over 12% as ‘fixing the pipes’, they actually reduce the % spend on the pipes, while funding their own weird projects like cycle ways (in Wellington !), LGWMA gravy train, coloured pedestrian crossings, removing parking and slowing down traffic.
    
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    March 7, 2023 10:05am
- Tom Barker
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  I guess that’s one way to try to rescue Mr Brown’s political career. He certainly won’t be re-elected mayor after his admittedly disastrous response to the cyclone damage in his city.
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:10am
  - RightNow
    
    He’s too smart to want to be a politician for long.
    
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    March 7, 2023 9:25am
    - Ruawai
      
      Similar to Yellowstone where he decides he only wants to be Governor for one term so can make lots of good decisions rather than the troughers that want it as a job for life and have to appease all minorities.
      
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      March 7, 2023 10:51am
  - Inandout
    
    TB, so his delayed response to the somewhat minor Auckland disaster is worse than Labour’s appalling Hawkes Bay response?
    
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    March 7, 2023 9:40am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Tom Barker – any “disastrous response” is down to the Emergency Response Team. Brown was in the job for 5 minutes. He isn’t in charge of responding to flooding.
    The media beat up around the perception that he didn’t publicly and meaninglessly hug enough people (like Ardern would have) was as usual, a pathetically transparent hit job.
    
    The mainstream media in NZ are finished. 3 years of bullshit so now all but the most rabid Labour supporters see through it for what it is. Utter crap.
    
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    March 7, 2023 9:48am
    - Matt Long
      
      If Mr Barker wants an effective political response I suggest he rewatches frowny face and wavy arms, everyone seemed to love that.
      An actual effective response is to remove houses from cliffs and flood zones, not build there in the future, cut down dangerous trees and improve roading, floodwater and communications infrastructure
      
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      March 7, 2023 11:06am
      - gravedodger
        
        “everyone seemed to love that.”
        Every one of the Media circus Matt, the public not so much?
        
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        March 7, 2023 11:53am
      - Matt Long
        
        Not us, but frowny face and wavy arms got over 50% last election all the while applying a poo finger to every situation.
        
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        March 7, 2023 6:36pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Tom you know he’s not there to serve bitchy chardonnay socialists?
    
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    March 8, 2023 7:57pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  That would mean a sure National two votes from me.
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:14am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  When Wayne Brown has finished with the actual Council he can start ‘de-establishing’
  Auckland Transport. The amount of Ratepayer money wasted there is just ridiculous. They are into all sorts of things that have nothing to do with transport.
  “Everything is over-specc’d, over designed, over safety, over everything. This is not a rich country any more.”
  https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/03-03-2023/wayne-browns-30-minutes-of-top-tips-for-auckland-transport
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:33am
  - Ruawai
    
    I travel along a straight rural road most days and it is now 60km/hour thanks to AT.
    
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    March 7, 2023 10:52am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      At 100km/hr you make too many potholes.
      ‘Recent studies have shown….oh never mind’
      
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      March 7, 2023 1:22pm
Albert_Ross

Taken together with DPF’s earlier article about how this Government has consistently, and by enormous margins, missed its own targets, the implications of them turning their attention to managing food supply are truly horrifying.
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March 7, 2023 8:52am
mandk

I heard Simeon Brown on HDPA’s show last night, saying there was a rumour that the Auckland Light Rail is still on the government’s agenda only because it was Michael Wood’s price for not running against Hipkins.

Has anyone heard this from any other source?

A $28 billion bribe would be quite something.
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March 7, 2023 8:56am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Thankfully we did not get Wood. The guy is plain and simply a menace.
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:34am
  - RalphT
    
    Disagree. It’s sad that we didn’t get Wood. Getting him as PM would have ensured a crushing National victory in October as Labour’s support would shrink to only the diehard unionists.
    
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    March 7, 2023 10:00am
  - Paulus
    
    Wood is next after Little Fella loses the election.
    
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    March 7, 2023 10:37am
- Flossie
  
  He would never have won against Hipkins anyway. That is one most unappealing man!
  Wasted money yet again.
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:57am
  - Matt Long
    
    He’s the least appealing figure in a pretty repulsive group and yet people lined up to vote him into parliament.
    Kind of like they voted in a person with dementia, a person serverely effected by a stroke and a dead person in the US
    
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    March 7, 2023 10:32am
- Prince
  
  It’s obvious. Wood is running against Hipkins. The media just wont report on it.
  
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  March 7, 2023 10:06am
cas

Regardless of what he says or how he says it, it is quite refreshing to watch Chris Hipkins on the AM show this morning standing perfectly straight and not resorting to windmills and gesturing with the arms and pulling funny or frowny faces.

Don’t worry I am not converted.
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March 7, 2023 9:00am
- Scooter
  
  He’s like the opposite of Jacinda, at face value at least, underneath I’m sure they sing from the same song book.
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:28am
- Inandout
  
  cas, I listened to Hipkins say he ‘hadn’t seen Mahuta’s letter to Ukraine’. As PM surely he would known the wording, or is the response of little importance to him?
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:57am
  - Gravelroad
    
    No, the left hand doesn’t know anything the other left hand is doing.
    
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    March 7, 2023 10:48am
ClanMcleod

I spend as little time on NZ mainstream media outlets as possible, to date I haven’t seen any coverage of the Hancock Files which have been causing quite a stir in the UK. Has there been any?

For those who have been protected from this terrible information, here’s an excellent post on the topic.

Almost three years after the UK Government instigated a multi-faceted strategy to scare the UK population literally to death, the truth is being leaked. The edge of mainstream media (Daily Telegraph and GB News) cannot help but publish it.

But what’s the distraction from? Why only now? Again, the subject of midazolam is raised and, of course, the mass mRNA experiment…

The mood remains sober in various groups I’m a member of consisting of scientists and various media types who were brave enough to call this out from the start. They say the reaction from the general public is still not what you should expect with these revelations. Why aren’t people in the streets? The compliant monkeys happily clapped every Thursday evening for the bloated NHS cow. Where’s the outrage at the death and destruction wilfully caused by the incumbent government on a whim?

I say, still give it time. The tide of public opinion continues to only flow in one direction. Within a year, these same media outlets will be obliged to report the truth about the even more sinister aspects referenced by Calvin in the video.

We might not ever get the recognition for ensuring that the truth, the whole truth, ultimately gets out but we’re not doing it for the recognition.

On the other hand, justice must be served. And it will be, when the weight of the evidence is so insurmountable that those higher up the pyramid will have to throw more than just Matty under the bus.

Let’s see which little piggies squeal first.

https://metatron.substack.com/p/the-lockdown-files-whats-the-distraction?

The original Twitter thread is here.

https://twitter.com/calvinrobinson/status/1632658339128655878?s=20

In NZ, everyone responsible for the covid fiasco is hiding under the table, covering their ears and hoping the dark clouds of truth go away and everyone forgets the horrors inflicted. They won’t and they won’t.

It is long past time SOMEONE in parliament had the courage to speak up and at least start the conversation, because until it is had, this country will continue to go backwards.

It is unraveling rapidly and not just due to the disastrous covid policies, but seemingly every policy these idiots holding the reins of power attempt becomes a nightmare.

Sadly the opposition appear to be doing nothing to counter this societal collapse. We live in interesting times, I wish we didn’t.
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March 7, 2023 9:03am
- mandk
  
  No MP is going to speak up unless some one from outside the current gang of five gets elected later this year.
  
  Labour, National, Greens, Act and Maori all bought into Ardern’s dishonest, punitive COVID regime.
  
  Although I will never forgive him for installing Ardern as PM, Winston Peters might do it if he gets back into Parliament.
  
  I’m hoping Matt King will win Northland and kick arse for parliament’s gross abuses.
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:20am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    mandk – yes, I’m keeping an eye on Matt King as a potential change agent. As you say, Peters also has the potential to open this can of worms. If I have to hold my nose and vote it will be for whoever I think will make this happen. End of story.
    I know people will criticise as it being about more than a “single issue”. But it is the most devastating fuck up in the history of this country and it has to be addressed or we are going nowhere.
    
    It doesn’t look like any of the incumbents will ever grow a pair. I’ve been emailing a number of them for months, they won’t even respond to polite but pressing emails any longer. It’s pathetic.
    
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    March 7, 2023 9:55am
- Rusty
  
  @Clan.. Every country seemed to have their version of Hancock e.g Fauci and Bloomfield.
  
  The actions of these people during the height of the pandemic was despicable.
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:47am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Rusty – it was. The most concerning aspect is the blanket suppression of information. The total failure of journalists to ask relevant questions.
    
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    March 7, 2023 9:56am
  - kevn
    
    @Rusty… In NZ we give them a gong.
    
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    March 7, 2023 10:37am
- Lucia Maria
  
  ClanMcleod,
  
  The NZ Herald ran an Australian piece on this story yesterday: UK officials discussed when to ‘deploy’ new Covid variant to push lockdown, WhatsApp messages show.
  
  It would be interesting to know if the NZ Herald give the nod to whatever international stories they run or if it’s just automated and this one got through.
  
  Anyway, seems to be a big deal in Australia. Here’s a YouTube interview with the leaker on SkyNews Australia: Matt Hancock wanted to ‘scare the pants off everyone’: WhatsApp messages exposed
  
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  March 7, 2023 11:08am
RoboRob

Lol. News just in, cycling in Christchurch has actually DROPPED over the last few years, despite massive spending on cycleways and advertising.

It’s almost like the majority of people dont want to cycle.
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March 7, 2023 9:04am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  Do you have a link?
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:30am
  - RoboRob
    
    Was reported on the radio this morning. Here is a link I found
    
    https://cyclingchristchurch.co.nz/topic/cycle-numbers/
    
    They are blaming Covid but If I recall correctly we have been out of lockdown for some time AND the Dec 2022 results (the most recent) are actually lower then during lockdown.
    
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    March 7, 2023 1:57pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Build it and they will come.//
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:40am
- Ruawai
  
  When I was at school we rode to school on the road or footpath, didn’t need million dollar cycle ways.
  
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  March 7, 2023 10:56am
  - Ehlana
    
    There must be a reason that is not still happening.
    
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    March 7, 2023 11:57am
  - RoboRob
    
    I’m a cyclist, I bike to work every day. Have done so for decades.
    
    In my opinion riding on the footpath (and telling your kids to do so) is the most dangerous thing you can do. Yet people keep advising it.
    
    If you are travelling slowly (10-20kph) you are moving 2 to 4 times as fast as a pedestrian. That leaves a tiny amount of time for a reversing driver to see you coming and stop before reversing over you. Add in cycling up behind a pedestrian (who cant see you coming) who suddenly moves to one side in front of you, no thanks. Not fair on pedestrians and damned dangerous.
    
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    March 7, 2023 2:01pm
    - Ghost
      
      Completely agree. Our postie has been hit several times by cars reversing out their drives.
      
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      March 7, 2023 2:13pm
- Countrygirl
  
  Climate change of course. Who wants to ride in the wind and rain?
  But I was thinking yesterday that if NZ disappeared beneath the sea I bet it would make not one jot of difference to the climate, unless of course our volcanoes are belching their poison.
  
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  March 7, 2023 4:45pm
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Chippy winning hearts and minds of people with his honesty and openness. His attitude is a welcome change and that reflects in the latest round of opinion polls. Well done sir.
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March 7, 2023 9:07am
- kiwikidsnz
  
  – that’s some track record he has on honesty & openness…
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:30am
- Cassandra
  
  Amazing but true. Disaster as a Minister, so far so good as PM. Government still hopeless, lipstick on pig.
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:32am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Sir Cullen’s Sidekick – has anyone asked him yet about his role in deliberately hiding information regarding the risk to young people of getting the covid jab? He was the covid minister at the time. Surely he signed off on this? If he didn’t he needs to let the public know who was responsible for this terrible act.
  
  Chippy is only “winning hearts and minds” because the mainstream media in NZ are shills who act solely as propagandists and narrative controllers for the government. Chippy’s day will come. You can’t suppress truth forever.
  
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  March 7, 2023 10:00am
- NZer In Exile
  
  He’s still toast.
  
  Judgement day is approaching.
  
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  March 8, 2023 8:00pm
Burtland

the 14,000 additional public servants under Labour would be a good start – the average wage is about 80K so this is over $1B a year
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March 7, 2023 9:10am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  Wayne Mapp has told us that making public servants redundant would be “too disruptive”.
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:32am
  - Cassandra
    
    Only to the redundant. The Return to Normal Act will return things to normal ie state payroll of 2016.
    
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    March 7, 2023 9:34am
  - All_on_Red
    
    He probably realise’s they would never get work anywhere else so become long term unemployed.
    That would cost but still be cheaper because they cant do any more damage so I say; Worth it!
    
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    March 7, 2023 9:48am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    As you know mass sackings in the public service are extremely difficult to do. The only way to do it is to completely disestablish an entity and then establish a new one and get everyone to reapply. When I established the Ministry of Science and Innovation, which replaced 3 precursor organisations, we achieved a 20% reduction in staff numbers. But at the cost of 6 months disruption with a reduced level of service during that time.
    So, yes it is possible in limited circumstances, but not wholesale, covering tens of thousands of public servants.
    
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    March 7, 2023 9:52am
    - Prince
      
      Did the public service tell you that ?
      
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      March 7, 2023 10:10am
      - Ian Boag
        
        No. He was the cabinet minister actually doing it. He has been there done that and he is telling it like it is when you do this sort of thing.
        
        What’s your experience …. ?
        
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        March 7, 2023 10:57am
      - Prince
        
        I’ve had to fire several people, admittedly not in the public service, mostly for incompetence, or because their roles had been disestablished, either through technology or being done overseas.
        It wasn’t easy – and if I’d taken advice of some others I wouldn’t have bothered. But ultimately it was my job to manage my department’s productivity, make improvements etc.
        I don’t mean any denigration of Wayne, but when he says mass sackings in public service are ‘extremely difficult’, I do wonder if the public service told him that.
        
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        March 7, 2023 8:54pm
    - Widogast Corwin
      
      You keep saying the same things. Fixing this problem by a “recruitment freeze” will be a disaster.
      
      Also you are wrong that you need to disestablish an entire government department to make people redundant. You just need to disestablish a position and show that this position is no longer needed.
      
      https://www.govt.nz/browse/work/leaving-a-job/redundancy-what-happens/
      
      In 2009 the Ministry for the Environment was totally restructured. It did not have too many people. It had the WRONG people. You can’t fix that by a recruitment freeze. That is the problem we have now on steroids!
      
      The Treasury has had 3 rounds of restructuring in the last 23 years. People were made redundant.
      
      Honestly, you consistently prove my point that politicians think they are right all the time, and just keep saying the same things regardless of cogent arguments that show they are wrong.
      
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      March 7, 2023 10:23am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Honestly, you consistently prove my point that politicians think they are right all the time, and just keep saying the same things regardless of cogent arguments that show they are wrong.
        
        Oh Wayne Mapp is not here to argue, anymore than mikenmild is, and the contempt for the KB community is another commonality. The only difference between them is that “mm” just does it for shits and giggles, whereas Wayne does it … so that the alternative mainstream view is actually put forward…I would note that my viewpoint has a large consensus in NZ, including the two major parties. It is not typically the case that those who stand out against the prevailing viewpoint are correct. More frequently the minority is wrong.
        
        Because we are in such desperate need of more of the “mainstream view”, it being so lacking from the MSM.
        
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        March 7, 2023 11:48am
      - Paulus
        
        Easy really – old motto
        Last In, First Out.
        TTFN DCM
        
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        March 7, 2023 1:19pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        OMG, Tom, that thread is mad!
        
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        March 7, 2023 2:38pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      “The only way to do it is to completely disestablish an entity ~~and then establish a new one and get everyone to reapply~~”
      
      Fixed. Career bureaucrats simply can’t comprehend that life can (and does) go on quite successfully with the removal of bloat from the system.
      
      Government should be smaller, and do less. This is a reversal of decades of barely controlled bloat, and it is essential.
      
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      March 7, 2023 12:26pm
    - rangitoto
      
      There are a number that can just be closed down for good. They probably wont save a lot though.
      
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      March 7, 2023 3:32pm
    - ClanMcleod
      
      You were a huge fan and promoter of lockdowns I see.
      
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      March 8, 2023 7:04am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Wayne observe Wayne B of Wayne’s World.
      
      He’ll show you how it’s done.
      
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      March 8, 2023 8:02pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Amazing how much govt has grown while doing worse on pretty much every measure. Mission creep and reduced productivity. I’d bet with competent management in place they could halve numbers over several years and still do a better job.
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:55am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    Based off a KB post I did a quick calculation of the change in “public servant” numbers:
    
    In 2000 we had 28,000 ‘crats for a population of about 3.8 million, one ‘crat for every 136 subjects. In 2020 the ratio is one ‘crat for every 83 subjects of the government.
    
    So this basically means that National could drop the numbers back to about 36,000. I can imagine the screams and the pain, and that blue section of the graph indicates that it won’t happen.
    
    Instead I can guarantee you that this process will be repeated when a National-led government comes to power in 2023 or 2026; a plateau for a few years followed by another explosion in the number of bureaucrats with a Labour-led government circa 2032 or 2035.
    
    And I was assured by a National Party man (not Wayne) in the comments of that post that my wish was “pie in the sky stuff”.
    
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    March 7, 2023 11:55am
    - rangitoto
      
      With advances in IT, surely the productivity should be much higher? Should be aiming for less than 1/200
      
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      March 7, 2023 3:36pm
  - virtualmark
    
    I’m all for shrinking the public sector, but the reality is that to do that you have to cut Government programmes.
    
    The reason the core public sector’s grown is because the Government keeps adding new things that it thinks it needs to do.
    
    Several times I’ve done the exercise of working through the Budget appropriations and just putting a red line through stuff the Government doesn’t *have* to do. Just say no. Stop doing low-value shit. Then re-deploy the saved money to health, education and lower taxes.
    
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    March 7, 2023 3:44pm
- Inandout
  
  Burt, it would need to be a sinking lid type of reduction as many of those servants will have mortgages and such. How the US companies handle mass layoffs shows the difference compared to our cradle to grave assistance.
  
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  March 7, 2023 10:03am
  - Ehlana
    
    Given current low unemployment and business crying out for skilled labour, surely such talented people need not worry about their mortgages?
    
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    March 7, 2023 12:00pm
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      The skilled and labour bits are the problem for them.
      
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      March 7, 2023 12:56pm
trout

So the leftists object to Early Childhood Education centres making a profit. ‘Profit’ in the case of ECE development is a fair return on investment. As an example of beneficial capitalism ECE development is a standout. Millions of private equity dollars have been invested in building high quality ECE centres all over NZ. Far beyond what any Government would choose to do.
Compare that with the Rest Home industry (as different from the ‘village’ industry where retirees invest their own capital) which languishes for lack of funds. Both ECE children and Rest Home occupiers are subsidized by the Government. But the Rest Homes have been hit with wage increases and costs that have impacted on viability; without an increase in govt. subsidy Homes are struggling and several have closed. The cost of housing the evicted elderly occupiers, who have minimal resources of their own, will inevitably be borne by the State. It makes sense to follow the ECE example and subsidize Rest Home charges so that investors are attracted to fund development and get a fair return.
If the left were not so consumed with envy they may be able to understand that the State can achieve Social objectives by influencing capital investment; it is way cheaper in the long run.
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March 7, 2023 9:15am
- Ian Boag
  
  Obviously the biggest gains would come from applying the current ECE model to primary and secondary schooling. One might as well call them DCC’s (day care centres) for all the useful teaching that gets done.
  
  Privately funded, small (<100 users) centres where there is a lot of freedom for users about how they pass their time …. should work just fine.
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:25am
  - Cassandra
    
    There’s more to education than teaching, Ian. Those that do do, those that don’t teach. An eyeful is better than an earful and a handful is better than both.
    
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    March 7, 2023 9:36am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Those that can do, those that can’t teach
      
      I suppose. Bit hard that so much of what we have to learn is delivered by teachers in schools … you no doubt have ideas on ways it could be done better
      
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      December 7, 2022 11:00am
    - Ian Boag
      
      There’s more to education than teaching
      
      Hard to argue with that level of generality. OTOH if you take out the teaching it leaves a big hole in whatever you might call “education” …..
      
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      March 7, 2023 11:03am
Ruawai

All Government and Council spending, and budgeted spending, on climate change should immediately be reprioritised to make NZ infrastructure resilient to any changes in weather patterns. Spend money on bigger more robust drains, raise bridges, build bridges with fewer legs, remove houses from flood planes etc. and stop throwing billions at trying to be King Canute. The weather is bigger than we can control, so adapt, humans have done this since the start of time for survival. If we let these idiots spend all our money on banning farming, CO2, straws, gas and plastic bags to save the world we will have no money left to adapt and no food either.
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March 7, 2023 9:18am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  “If we let these idiots spend all our money on banning farming, CO2, straws, gas and plastic bags to save the world we will have no money left to adapt and no food either.”
  
  It is worse. New Zealand was the first country to sign up to “compensating” developing countries for the effects of climate change. Only $20 million to kick off, but there will be way more to come.
  
  https://www.newsroom.co.nz/nz-promises-cash-for-climate-damage-is-it-enough#:~:text=Climate%20Change%20Minister%20James%20Shaw,developing%20countries%20on%20Wednesday%20morning.
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:35am
  - kevn
    
    @Widogast… The committee is still working on the plastic fruit stickers.
    
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    March 7, 2023 10:40am
  - Ehlana
    
    In the matter of aid to Ukraine I have heard much talk about the corruption issues over there. Perhaps we could apply the same anti-corruption practices we presumably use when doling out aid to our Pacific neighbours and developing nations?
    
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    March 7, 2023 12:03pm
  - I remember when
    
    We will have to be one of the first to adapt to ‘climate change’ regardless of what we do.
    Our produce, whatever form it is in, will instantly have to prove its ‘climate miles.’
    Any attempt by countries we sell produce to to reduce their CO2 output is likely to be our expense.
    They will either try to make/grow their own or change the product they use.
    School children will be marching with signs about ‘climate change action unfairness.’
    
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    March 7, 2023 2:35pm
thirteenstars

“They want to force people out of cars (even electric cars)…”

I had to laugh at that yesterday from DPF regards the government allocating road funding based on climate change imperatives.

Mainly because I just so happened to walk past a couple of luvvies watching the government TV news bulletin last night in which that policy was briefly mentioned.

Horror! They both uttered the same sentiment that DPF had: we bought electric vehicles to avoid this! Well, one bought a very plush hybrid, but same logic, and same sense of betrayal, like the dog suddenly realising they’re not going for a ride to the park but to the vet to be fixed.

What did you guys think was going to happen? The idea isn’t to save the the planet by letting you go about your business in electric vehicles. The idea is to stop you going about your business at all.

Their love for the planet pales in comparison to their hatred of YOU.

And with the Luxon-Willis-lead National Party all rebranded in Teal colours with dire warnings of man-made killer cyclones hunting down innocent Kiwis, well, nothing’s going to change regards this policy except perhaps a rebranding.
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March 7, 2023 9:29am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  It is just so ridiculous. All of our efforts should go into adaptation to severe weather. We should be doing the absolute minimum on emissions reductions that we can get away with. To illustrate:
  
  In the last 8 years China has produced more emissions than has the UK in the 170 years since the start of the Industrial Revolution.
  
  China produced emissions equivalent to the annual total for New Zealand every 60 hours.
  
  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/environment/2022/11/07/china-pumps-pollution-eight-years-uk-since-industrial-revolution/
  
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  March 7, 2023 9:43am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Nobody virtue signals like NZ. World leaders. Well played Jacinda, well played. //
    
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    March 7, 2023 10:04am
  - MCōs
    
    “All of our efforts should go into adaptation to severe weather.”
    What does that mean?
    I’ve seen people on TV who have been flooded a number of times.
    Someone said they’ve flooded several times since a new development went up down the road. Is there a correlation?
    Should ‘we’ patch these areas with stop banks and better storm water disposal. What happens if that’s all done at great expense and next year they’re back to square one.
    
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    March 7, 2023 10:38am
    - Taieri
      
      There’s a new housing estate in Outram near Dunedin, which is located right next to the flood banks of Taieri River. Why was it allowed to go ahead?
      It used to be an orchard/market garden back in the day…
      
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      March 7, 2023 12:18pm
      - Widogast Corwin
        
        “There’s a new housing estate in Outram near Dunedin, which is located right next to the flood banks of Taieri River. Why was it allowed to go ahead?”
        
        If insurance companies know this, why would they insure the properties?
        
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        March 7, 2023 2:46pm
Ghost

We just constantly let down the victims with sentences that are far too weak

Jayde Leedes joined her local church because she wanted to meet new friends. Instead, at 14 she met a youth leader who coerced her into having sex with him in church in secret.

Left with anxiety, depression, PTSD and an eating disorder, it was only years later that Leedes realised that what she thought had been “love” was “statutory rape, manipulation and abuse”.

Stuff
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March 7, 2023 9:36am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  What about the man who just got 3 years for driving into and smashing up two schoolgirls in an attempt to kill them? Presumably will be out in half that time while they are maimed for life.
  
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  March 7, 2023 1:00pm
  - Ghost
    
    Yeah, it’s a joke, it’s always been a joke of a justice system
    
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    March 7, 2023 1:08pm
Swifty

Co-governance is everywhere now, but Labour are downplaying it all.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PH8k5XqdPYI

[Mod – please add a description to links, adding one below for you]

Sean Plunket – Was there more to Rob Campbell’s sacking?
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March 7, 2023 9:56am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

Yesterday Julian posted an email from Victoria Watt. I replied.
Seems many others did as well. I have yet to receive a reply, and doubt I will.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/this-is-a-typical-email-which-i-receive-occasionally-how-would-you-answer-part-two/

Here are a few sample replies to Victoria.

https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:AP:465934f1-4819-4e20-b263-88209bb1beb5
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March 7, 2023 10:16am
- DimChappie
  
  Some great, well reasoned replies in there. They don’t hate all things Maori at all, very much pro democracy and self-help.
  
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  March 7, 2023 10:56am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    That is why I am on the email list, and I relay it to Kiwiblog.
    The comments are well founded. A bit slow dripping in.
    Posts go back to August. Julian Batchelor has stopped working to do this. He has no particular Political leanings.
    
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    March 7, 2023 1:26pm
NothingLeft

Was curious as to split in income tax paid by sex. Unsurprisingly the data on that is very hard to find – as is so inconvenient to The Message™. One scrap I did see was from UK 2013 which had men paying 72% of all income tax.

“In the last tax year men paid £92 billion in income tax whereas women paid £36.8 billion, which is 60% less.”

Be interested to see recent data from across OECD, but suspect it would be similar. Evil white men paying for the whole civilisational party.
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March 7, 2023 10:37am
- Bridgenag
  
  😀
  
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  March 7, 2023 12:17pm
- Ehlana
  
  Not all men are white, of course.
  
  The last figures Treasury has are for 2020 and indicate that the top 3% of individual taxable income earners paid 24% of income tax. This is the $150,000 plus earner group. Unfortunately, there don’t seem to be statistics for the proportion of men and women in each income band in NZ, only for average and median wages. But since women usually earn less than men, it would be a safe bet there are more men than women in the top band.
  
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  March 7, 2023 2:19pm
Yvette

What’s next, who can survive being run over by a tank?
Knife fights on national television?
Maybe a money-minded promoter will crib from the gladiator days: Sign up now to watch the world champ fight a frothing lion on pay-per-view!

In case you missed its appearance on cable TV or the manifold viral videos ricocheting across the internet, an ugly undertaking masquerading as a sport is making a bid for popularity and acceptance.

The phenomenon of slap fighting has given rise to the Power Slap League, regulated by the Nevada Athletic Commission, but the whole enterprise has little to do with the sports that derive their power from tapping into the best parts of humanity … – New York Times

Wait until this takes off here …
(Thinks: why DO I even bother to struggle out of bed each morning?)

If you possess even a fraction of knowledge about brain trauma and the dangers posed by blows to the head, let this be a warning:
~~Don’t watch without a sick bag in your lap~~
invest in medical services for this MIND-BLOWING entertainment :o)
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March 7, 2023 11:10am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Kari Lake.
The next Vice President?
https://valiantnews.com/2023/03/kari-lake-powerful-people-failed-to-bribe-me-out-of-politics/
https://twitter.com/i/status/1632118938048905227

President Trump At CPAC
“I am your warrior, I am your justice, and for those who have been wronged and betrayed, I am your retribution.”
“I will totally obliterate the Deep State.”

https://twitter.com/i/status/1632155747898343430
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March 7, 2023 11:14am
- Libertarians are right
  
  Didn’t Trump get obliterated by the Deep State at the last election? What will make the next election any different?
  
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  March 7, 2023 11:25am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Deep State and the Swamp were much bigger than he anticipated. He would be going strong if the Dems did not cheat in 2020. Many won’t believe that.
    2024 he will win, and he is ready for the Swamp and Deep State.
    
    See, what he did in 2016 was pick off a scab that exposed a pus filled festering sore. Been going on for decades. MAGA.
    
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    March 7, 2023 1:30pm
- Frank the tank
  
  Probably not.
  
  Trump appears unable to carry the rust belt, North Mid and the Southwest (Arizona).
  
  Until there is evidence he can who his running partner is moot point.
  
  DeSantis/Noem would be a better option.
  
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  March 7, 2023 11:37am
  - virtualmark
    
    I expect DeSantis will win the GOP nomination, but I also expect he will struggle in a national contest. As much as you may like his policies, he has all the charisma of roadkill and he debates extremely poorly.
    
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    March 7, 2023 3:36pm
- Mike
  
  Is CPAC still a thing? I thought the more serious GOP candidates were avoiding it nowadays.
  
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  March 7, 2023 12:51pm
- virtualmark
  
  Statements like “I am your warrior, I am your justice, and for those who have been wronged and betrayed, I am your retribution” sound better in their original German.
  
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  March 7, 2023 3:34pm
  - virtualmark
    
    “Kommt die Stunde der Vergeltung!”
    (“The hour of retribution will come.”)
    Joseph Goebbels, June 5, 1943
    
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    March 8, 2023 7:56am
- Tom Hunter
  
  Staging by Leni Riefenstahl.
  
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  March 7, 2023 3:54pm
  - Mike
    
    Please don’t make me feel sorry for you, Tom.
    
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    March 7, 2023 7:40pm
Ghost

Oh for goodness sake, the forever offended are now offended that Mike Hosking told Chris Hipkins “see you next Tuesday”, when Chris is back on his show

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/newstalk-zb-host-mike-hosking-to-chris-hipkins-see-you-next-tuesday/EGR4EVXXABE4XFJKK3CZHRP7EU/
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March 7, 2023 11:23am
- Frank the tank
  
  bhahahahaha where is MaggiePie when you need her….
  
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  March 7, 2023 11:38am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  “For those unfamiliar with the phrase’s hidden meaning, “see you next Tuesday” is often used as an acronym for one the most offensive words in the English language.”
  
  News to me.
  
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  March 7, 2023 1:09pm
  - Paulus
    
    And me !
    But I have only been around, and have spoken English, for over 80 years, so something new !
    
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    March 7, 2023 1:24pm
  - MCōs
    
    What a beat up by the same people for whom Hosking works.
    
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    March 7, 2023 1:38pm
  - Ehlana
    
    Or, you know, when you next expect to see someone next Tuesday.
    
    Talking about scraping the bottom of the barrel for things to be offended by.
    
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    March 7, 2023 2:21pm
  - fightingtemeraire
    
    The word that Marama wants to reclaim!!!!
    
    In old English it means a cleft or a gap in a rock face.
    
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    March 7, 2023 2:30pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “CU Next Tuesday” as per recent events on Aus MAFS!
    
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    March 8, 2023 8:04pm
- Loddenthinks
  
  So Chippy was on the show this Tuesday, and will be on the next Tuesday, and the host of the show referenced the day he’d see Chippy again?
  
  How very dare they? Why, I’ve never been so insulted in all my life!
  
  I’m kind of glad we have retards. They brighten up an otherwise vanilla Tuesday afternoon.
  
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  March 7, 2023 5:00pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

From my FB memories, last year. This was revoked. Incredible what the Communists wanted to do to us.
Here we go.
Passed it’s second reading in Parliament.
THE MOST OVERARCHING, FAR REACHING, TOTALITARIAN LAW EVER PASSED IN NEW ZEALAND…quietly completed its second reading.
The Covid 19 Public Health Response (Vaccinations) Order 2021 comes into effect on April 1st.
➖There are no “readings” of COVID-19 Orders: that’s one of the primary reasons that legal academics are concerned about the orders ➖
This legislation will allow for:
1. The lockdown of unvaccinated or insufficiently vaccinated individuals.
➖ No. However, the COVID-19 Public Health Response (Protections Framework) Order 2021 allows for lockdown measures ➖
2. The ability to restrict travel within the country to unvaccinated or insufficiently vaccinated (e.g. a person who does not want to get a booster shot).
➖ No. However, the COVID-19 Public Health Response (Protections Framework) Order 2021 allows for travel restrictions ➖
3. Withhold certification from those who do not get required boosters or subsequent combinations of vaccines as may be ordered at any time.
➖ No. I don’t know what this means, what “certification.” ➖
4. The ability to dictate the type and form of certification required for proof of vaccination status — digital or otherwise.
➖ No: the Vaccination Order does not require Vaccination Certificates, as it has its own interpretation of what fully vaccinated means for different groups. However, this is covered under the COVID-19 Public Health Response (COVID-19 Vaccination Certificate) Order 2021 ➖
5. The ability to dictate what other information may be required for the renewal of vaccine certificates, and which information may be contained on such a certificate.
➖ No: as above ➖
6. The period for which a vaccine certificate is valid can be changed at any time, and who it is that may be entitled or eligible to have these certificates.
➖ No: as above ➖
7. The specification of mandates for entire job sectors.
➖ Yes: however, the first Vaccination Order came out in April 2021, and there have been a significant number of amendments since. It’s not a ‘new’ concern. ➖
8. The ordering of certain jobs to require regular mandatory testing and medical examination.
➖ Yes: as above. There is additionally the COVID-19 Public Health Response (Required Testing) Order 2021 for testing requirements ➖
9. Enforcement officers to be able to demand certification, pretty much at any time.
➖ No. However, this is a power under the COVID-19 Public Health Response (Protections Framework) Order 2021 and the COVID-19 Public Health Response Act 2020. A police officer can ask for your drivers license at pretty much any time, though ➖
10. The appointment of enforcement officers that can be anybody they wish to appoint, and not necessarily police.
➖ No. However, under the COVID-19 Public Health Response Act 2020, an enforcement officer means the Director-General, a medical officer of health, a constable, or a suitably qualified person authorised by the Director-General (this person must be employed or engaged by a Crown entity)➖
11. Enforcement officers to inspect and take copies of certification to be verified at a later date, before immediately returning such documentation.
➖No – as above ➖
12. The provision of an assessment tool for employers to use to determine who should be vaccine mandated, however employers can totally disregard the assessment tool and mandate at whim.
➖This is a separate Regulation, the COVID-19 Public Health Response (Vaccinations Assessment Tool) Regulations 2021. It is optional ➖
13. Legal or other representatives of employees may be refused entry to workplaces.
➖No. I’m not aware of any legislation or COVID-19 order which supports this ➖
14. Contact tracing information may be used against a person in order to enforce the Act.
➖No. I’m not aware of any legislation or COVID-19 order which supports this ➖
15. Employees who have been dismissed for non-compliance of testing or vaccination, but comply at the last minute, may still be dismissed if the employer deems revoking the dismissal to be disruptive of their business.
➖Not exactly. The Employment Relations Act 2000 was amended, to provide that the notice period is cancelled or has no effect, if the employee gets vaccinated during that time … Unless this would cause “unreasonable” disruption to the business. There is certainly still an avenue for argument here ➖
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SUMMARY: In my view, this is spreading to purposefully incite fear and public reaction.
There is no “Vaccination Order” which takes effect on 1 April 2022 as this post states.
While there is reason to be concerned about some of these powers, they are powers that have been in place for some time: some of which have been challenged unsuccessfully at the High Court.
You only need to have been following my page since March 2021 to know most of this 😅
You can see all COVID-19 related legislation, orders and regulations here: http://www.pco.govt.nz/covid-19-legislation/
You can see the status of all Bills tracking through Parliament here: https://www.parliament.nz/…/bills…/bills-proposed-laws/
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March 7, 2023 11:34am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Meme from US.
The only reason our Government would want to disarm us after 243 years is because they are planning on doing something we would shoot them for.
That is the truth.
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March 7, 2023 11:46am
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https://archive.fo/qGa7i [NZ Herald]

Anybody would think Hosking called Chippie a nagger or something…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GB1tlMwxNU
[Southpark N_ggers clip]
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March 7, 2023 12:16pm
I remember when

Cyclone Gabrielle passed. Then rumours of hundreds of deaths began: Stuff.
Another story of a conspiracy source spreading misinformation.
Stuff have rightly expressed their concern and taken the opportunity to attack the misinformer.
Fortunately the rumour didn’t suggest a possible 80,000 deaths, that would have been misinformation.
We all make mistakes and the media have a duty to find and reveal sources of misinformation.

Obviously they have decided that Cyclone Gabrielle is when they will start.
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March 7, 2023 1:17pm
cas

Apologies if anyone has posted on this before but I see that Dr Tara McAllister from VUW, who has posted vile stuff about Richard Dawkins, is on the interns and fellows programme in the office of the Chief Science Adviser to the PM and Govt.

Perhaps Chippie ( and VUW) ought to be asked about her rants from her privileged position.
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March 7, 2023 1:22pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  That is a lovely gravy train. You wouldn’t want that taken from you.
  
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  March 7, 2023 1:45pm
- Widogast Corwin
  
  Richard Dawkins is 100 percent correct. Let’s think who to believe…..
  
  One of the greatest evolutionary biologists of the last century and the emeritus fellow of New College, Oxford, or a socialist activist from “Te Herenga Waka—Victoria University of Wellington” with anger management issues?
  
  As soon as they say “racist” they have lost.
  
  As soon as they say “coloniser’ they have lost.
  
  As soon as they say “western Science” they have lost.
  
  Mathematical theorems, the laws of physics, and thermodynamics are universal. There is nothing “Western” about them. They have allowed us to move beyond the stone age. They have allowed everything you see around you to be built. They have allowed us to move beyond thinking that the Sky goddess or a “Mauri. A life force” determines our health and wellbeing. This is what your kids are being taught at school.
  
  There is NO “life force”. There never was a “Sky goddess”.
  
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  March 7, 2023 2:57pm
  - Swifty
    
    Amen.
    
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    March 7, 2023 3:42pm
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    If there was Maori science there wouldn’t be taniwha.
    
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    March 7, 2023 3:57pm
    - Jack5
      
      Not just Tara McAllister ….
      
      Stuff scribbler Dave Armstrong, in Stuff, offers an astonishingly weak defence of Maori knowledge’s relevance to science, in contrast to Richard Dawkins’s dismissive view.
      
      Here’s Armstrong:
      
      “What might happen is that when teaching plate tectonics, for example, an informed teacher could tell the story of Ngatoroirangi, who called his sisters in Hawaiki to turn themselves into fire and travel underground to Aotearoa and subsequently appear at various volcanic hotspots. The story shows that after much observation, Maori probably understood the relationships of the volcanoes in the Pacific “ring of fire”, something confirmed with the scientific discovery of plate tectonics in the 1960s.”
      
      And that makes Maori knowledge relevant to scientific study of plate tectonics?
      
      “After much observation”, sadlly unrecorded?
      
      Even for Armstrong, this is exceedingly weak Woke argument.
      
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      March 7, 2023 9:38pm
Ghost

Awww, Nash won’t fight Mitchell for charity.

Mitchell has asked Nash to join him in the ring in a Fight for Life event to raise money for the mental health charity.

Proceeds from the April fight will go towards Mike King’s ‘I Am Hope’ charity supporting those affected by Cyclone Gabrielle, he said.

But Nash isn’t taking up the challenge, saying he’s too busy helping his constituents get back on their feet to train.

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March 7, 2023 1:30pm
- MCōs
  
  He can go over to the South Korea parliament if he wants a fight.
  
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  March 7, 2023 1:49pm
  - Mike
    
    Perhaps Luxon needs to give Mitchell something useful to do.
    
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    March 7, 2023 7:37pm
I remember when

Letters to the Editor in the Gisborne Herald have discussed the problem, and who’s fault it is, of planting pine on the east coast.
General consensus is in favour of a return to native forest, as soon as that is possible.
However, there are some longish term problems before that becomes a fact.
These include –
Pine forestry is a source of income for about 25% of the Gisborne population.
Do you remove the remaining pine forests that are not ready for harvest, and if so who pays the costs.
Longer term, will native forest produce any income for the area, for whom and will there be any overseas funds earned.
How will erosion and run-off be controlled during the transistion period, which will be considerable.

As one writer states, “These trees just won’t disappear over night.
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March 7, 2023 2:02pm
I remember when

Are the Labour government appointees losing their jobs in an attempt to do something to save them.
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March 7, 2023 2:08pm
Jack5

Now it’s batteries in electric bikes and electric scooters that can be a fire hazard.

Fires from charging e-bikes and e-scooters in New York city doubled last year to 216, reports the Wall Street Journal.

Typically, the fires occur in overnight charging of refurbished batteries or of batteries that have been tampered with.

“The chemical fires, which release harmful gases, burn so hot and so quickly they are extremely difficult to put out,” says the newspaper.
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March 7, 2023 2:20pm
Surely Knott

The herald says “An American woman was allegedly called “n*****” and “monkey” and had monkey noises made at her in a racist incident in Palmerston North last weekend.” This is obviously horrific, disgusting and extreme racism.

It has been reported to the police and the Uni.

My question is about the video clip of the incident and the way it’s reported. The video the Herald shows doesn’t contain any audio, so we can’t hear evidence of what is said or the alleged threats being made and the faces and vehicle license plates of the racists are blurred out. Why? If there is a public record of the incident why not show it. Why is this hidden. And if they want help identifying people why not show who they are looking for. By blurring the faces and only showing a white arm they take responsibility away from the individuals and put it on all people of that skin type from NZ.

Second. in the video , but not in the article, the couple said there were six police cars across from them on the other side of the street when the incident happened?!? So did none of the police witness it??? Why were there six police cars? Where were the police? Why didn’t the police get involved? Have the police got footage on their dash cams of any of the offenders? Does Palmy North not have security cameras in their major town centres. Why haven’t the racist people been found and questioned already.

Will we see any follow up in the media and will the people be found? It’s a small town and they have video footage of a unique new white pickup truck and the people involved. Hopefully arrests and names will be released today. Hopefully the video will be released in full in the name of transparency.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/american-woman-in-palmerston-north-called-racist-slurs-while-walking-home/JAOJHU5ASBFLBB4LL6WAFMPVCY/
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March 7, 2023 2:43pm
- Ghost
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM3yTkW8dCY
  
  Looks to me they are trying to build a following telling stories, this one their Airbnb host tried to drug them?
  
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  March 7, 2023 2:58pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    They sure do like attention, and being famous for 15 minutes, don’t they? She’s one week into her vet school class at Massey. I’m going out on a limb here but I sincerely doubt she’ll see out a semester, let alone get her degree.
    
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    March 7, 2023 4:56pm
Ghost

Damn. The poor people that live in that area

The chemicals released in East Palestine revealed: From a WWI choking agent to known carcinogens, DailyMail.com looks at the substances and their known health risks after toxic train crash

Independent testing done by Texas A&M and Carnegie Mellon University published last week found that the air in East Palestine contains ‘higher than normal’ concentrations of nine potentially harmful chemicals.

These were: acrolein, benzene, vinyl chloride, butadiene, naphthalene, o-Xylene, trichloroethylene, trichloroethane and p-Xylene.

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March 7, 2023 3:11pm
MCōs

One of the boys trapped in the cave in Chiang Rai was cremated in London after he unexpectedly died.
His ashes were returned home and released in the Mekong River
https://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/2023/03/07/ashes-of-thailand-cave-boy-released-on-mekong-river/
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March 7, 2023 3:11pm
- Ghost
  
  Damn. That rescue was amazing
  
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  March 7, 2023 3:12pm
- Ehlana
  
  Very sad. The actor who played the coach in the Netflix series about it also died recently, IIRC.
  
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  March 7, 2023 3:48pm
Ghost

Tucker Carlson jan 6 video

Tucker Carlson: No honest person can deny this about Jan. 6

Second part of video Jan 6th footage
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March 7, 2023 4:12pm
Ghost

Prime Minister Chris Hipkins has formally corrected the record in Parliament for a mistake he made during a previous appearance in the House.

In his first Question Time performance as Prime Minister last month, Hipkins responded to a question from ACT’s David Seymour by saying the Government is taking less tax out of the economy as a proportion of gross domestic product (GDP).

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March 7, 2023 6:13pm
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  Thanks Ghost.
  
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  March 7, 2023 7:13pm
Ghost

Another labour mp telling fibs, shock horror.

A data dispute has detonated over whether children skipping school without a proper excuse is on the rise or on the decline.

The Education Minister says it’s down but National says she’s being funny with statistics.

But official data very much shows unjustified absences are increasing.

They made up 3.5 percent of half days taken without a valid excuse in Term 1 2019 and 6.5 percent of half days in Term 3 2022.

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