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Mike

Happy European Day of the Righteous!
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March 6, 2023 8:01am
- RalphT
  
  Mike, I am concerned at the Euro-centric nature of your post as it’s bound to upset all those Kiwiblog readers keen on advancing the benefits of Matauranga Māori such as…ah…um…I know, an extra public holiday.
  
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  March 6, 2023 9:08am
  - Mike
    
    But you must have realized by now that every day on Kiwiblog is a day for the European commenters to express themselves in the most righteous terms.
    
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    March 6, 2023 10:29am
    - Fishing in the dark
      
      Not much idea about Europe
      
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      March 6, 2023 11:07am
Matt Long

A few days ago in response to the fuel excise tax reductions I made the comment that the reduction would make no difference in road maintenance because the government would waste any extra money that would have come in.
Widogan asked me what I meant by waste, apart from spending up large and consultants and propaganda, I meant this;
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/petrol-tax-hikes-on-the-table-as-government-plans-multi-billion-dollar-transport-shakeup-swapping-car-parks-for-bus-lanes/PBOBNMVMJFF57MLWUXYHVXB4U4
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March 6, 2023 8:01am
- Taieri
  
  Good to know that this program includes construction of dedicated scooter lanes, which are the most suitable form of environmentally friendly urban (and hopefully also rural) transport, particularly suitable for elderly and otherwise handicapped citizens.
  
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  March 6, 2023 8:34am
  - Gravelroad
    
    We live rural. Horse and cart will do us.
    Will lobby the Council to reinstate the hitching rail facility in the centre of town.
    Original hitching post will probably still be in the machinery museum-last used circa 1912.
    Must warn you though – horses fart.
    
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    March 6, 2023 9:26am
    - graham
      
      Gravelroad, assuming this is reported correctly … your horse and cart will be fine until the horse steps in a pothole and breaks it’s leg.
      
      Transport Minister Michael Wood has proposed changes to the way $2b of maintenance money is spent each year, which could mean swapping car parks for new bus lanes and cycleways – paid for with the money used to fix potholes, according to a briefing released to the Herald under the Official Information Act.
      
      Are these people serious? Are they really proposing to spend money building cycleways instead of repairing potholes?!
      
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      March 6, 2023 9:58am
      - Keith White
        
        Well, since the Fountain of Stupidity that is Wood called me part of the River of Filth, I can’t say I’m surprised that he keeps living up to his dribbling name.
        
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        March 6, 2023 10:37am
      - Tricati
        
        A recent report indicated that over 50% of road user charges allocated for road maintenance was already being diverted to other transport projects such as cycleways and public transport, so their new policy is not new, just making it official.
        ACT & National should be all over the misuse of road user charges like a rash, given the appalling state of road in general across NZ.
        
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        March 6, 2023 1:09pm
      - Nickc2
        
        Tricati @1:09PM
        Surely, the Auditor General should be all over this misuse of Public Monies?
        However, he’s not and obviously doesn’t care. However, he was appointed in 2018 under the auspice of the current Govt so I will leave any conclusions up to individuals.
        
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        March 6, 2023 1:21pm
  - cmm
    
    Have you seen the new people mover scooters that can carry a whole family?
    
    Nope, me neither.
    
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    March 6, 2023 10:07am
    - Paulus
      
      Saw a scooter the other day lengthend to allow the dog to stand on the platform made for him/her.
      Looked clever and a great idea – could devise fo the Farmr one to take a Cow perhaps !
      
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      March 6, 2023 1:15pm
      - I remember when
        
        Paulus:
        Superfluous. There will not be any cows!!!
        
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        March 6, 2023 1:41pm
      - Ehlana
        
        Paulus, it’s the other way round. The farmer just needs a wagon and his cows (oxen) will draw him to market. Just like in the olden days.
        
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        March 6, 2023 2:51pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  I got as far as this & then felt queasy.
  
  —— Green transport spokeswoman Julie Anne Genter said using maintenance funding to achieve emissions reductions would be “pretty sensible”. ——
  
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  March 6, 2023 8:41am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    Only the Greens would have an expert in parking policy as their transport spokesperson.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julie_Anne_Genter
    
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    March 6, 2023 9:12am
    - kevn
      
      @kkNZ… It does really grate that we, NZer’s, actually pay people like her. All we get is rubbish in return.
      
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      March 6, 2023 9:29am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hosking added up one morning things we all accept were waste, it added up to 7 billion, not counting light rail, there is a huge s ad mount of waste to be pushed out, people have forgotten the 1 billion bribe money to persuade councils to go with three waters
  
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  March 6, 2023 8:44am
- Charmaine Hawke
  
  I wonder if the government has thought at all how this will affect the cities. I know they don’t really care but there will be a lot of service workers put out of jobs as people like me start to avoid the city like the plague.
  The bus service in Wellington is a joke, I get regular reports from my husband that while waiting for a Karori bus he sees 5 Wilton busses go past empty while the eventual Karori bus is too full to get on. They are short 100 drivers and no one wants to do the job, how do they think they will force us onto the bus?
  This is ideology over real world and it will crash down but by then Labour and The Greens will be safe in opposition leaving National/ACT to fix their mess.
  
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  March 6, 2023 8:54am
  - Flossie
    
    I’m pretty sure I’m not going to be the only coromandel resident wondering how many bus lanes we’re going to get in return for our extra fuel tax. Oh, and buses to go on them too.
    Might be a bit more helpful to fix our highways.
    
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    March 6, 2023 9:22am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I think your hubby is affected by ‘my bus is always the last to arrive’ syndrome – by definition, it must be true.
    
    When I’m on LQ, Karori buses are far & away the most frequent. Though, perhaps Wilton’s a dangerous area – even the buses have to travel together in fives.
    
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    March 6, 2023 9:24am
    - Charmaine Hawke
      
      NMTB I think it depends on when you catch them, it does seem at peak hours the busses go missing.
      
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      March 6, 2023 9:42am
      - I remember when
        
        The old ‘I’m not a peak hour bus’ syndrome.
        
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        March 6, 2023 1:46pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    I heard that fool Wood on. With Hosking this morning, he tried to suggest Nats did not maintain roads for 8 years, it is utter bullshit, I remember sections of motor ways on the way to work being resurfaced every two years, the same section has been done recently and has been done for the first time in 5 years, the voter know pit holes were never this bad, and I call bullshit too that rain caused pot holes, since bloody when?
    
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    March 6, 2023 10:00am
    - RoboRob
      
      The two Woods (Michael and Megan) will leave a disastrous legacy for NZ and future governments. Michael has let the roading system fail (maintenance, lack of new roads and poor quality workmanship). It will take decades to catch up to where we should be now. You see this in post earthquake CHCH, the road / footpath maintenance schedule was stopped during rebuild and now things that should have been repaired and updated will sit another 10yrs.
      
      Megan has gone a step worse, she came in as minister of energy and pronounced a need to increase energy generation each year to keep up with demand. Instead she has sat on new generation, with growth in (erratic) wind easily offset by decommissioning (baseload) coal / gas. At the same time she has pushed policies that have / will cause a dramatic explosion in electricity usage. In the coming years we will face brown / black outs, rationing and explosive price increases while we wait the decades it will take to build generation. She has also managed to substantially weaken our gas generation and fuel supplies. Megan woods is the worst thing to ever happen to NZ.
      
      Oh and the feature that all growing / successful economies have is cheap stable energy supply.
      
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      March 6, 2023 11:10am
      - Burtland
        
        Dr Woods was the previous Minister of Science and Tech for 5 years – she couldnt even put together a statement of Labour policy for the 2020 Labour Election Manifesto.
        
        Shes also been actively involved in rolling out race based policy in the Universities PGSF Fund.
        
        Shes worse than useless, shes dangerous.
        
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        March 6, 2023 8:17pm
    - Paulus
      
      Woods, like her predecessor mistress Ardern, does not know the difference betwen truth and their version.
      Both are toxic.
      
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      March 6, 2023 1:19pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Don’t forget, fixing the mess will not happen overnight.
    The same Public Servants involved in implementing the current Govt’s dictate will most likely be the same ones involved in implementing the new Govt’s dictate and depending on the political leanings of those involved, things can take time.
    
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    March 6, 2023 1:31pm
  - I remember when
    
    “I wonder if the government has thought……
    
    Let me stop you right there.
    
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    March 6, 2023 1:43pm
- sirknz
  
  This seems to be the level of detailed analysis this clown show is capable of.
  
  “People aren’t using cycle lanes. Do you know what would get people to use cycle lanes? More cycle lanes!”
  
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  March 6, 2023 9:32am
  - I remember when
    
    “People aren’t using cycle lanes.”
    
    Would that be the point at which you would decide a rethink was necessary?
    
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    March 6, 2023 9:49am
    - Matt Long
      
      That’s the point where you decide you have to ” nudge” people out of their cars by making sure they have no parking, that the roads are constantly congested and the road surface so dangerous and broken that it destroys their cars.
      
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      March 6, 2023 9:58am
    - Widogast Corwin
      
      I’m using cycleways. I bought a bike. It has a neat little carrier. I ride down to the local shops and fill the carrier with beer and ride back home. 🙂
      
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      March 6, 2023 9:59am
      - Ehlana
        
        Was it a long john bike? (https://www.bikesandbeyond.co.nz/product-page/achielle-ferre?gclid=CjwKCAiAmJGgBhAZEiwA1JZolsCBj878zzUgHANQQh-fQ0j7aC4q8Gw8FIflHz1z45V-H-9alFUZRBoCSSYQAvD_BwE)
        Looks like it would fit quite a bit of beer.
        
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        March 6, 2023 2:54pm
      - rockape
        
        Much like me.I bought a little sports car, I drive it down to the pub, I fill myself with beer, then I drive it home!
        
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        March 6, 2023 4:43pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      These asshokes are trying to frustrate us out of our cars, a true Marxist marvel !
      
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      March 6, 2023 10:21am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  I think you misunderstood what I was saying. The Land Transport Fund is down about $2 billion from the excise at RUC cuts. It was topped up from the COVID Fund. I said that in the absence of such a top up, transport projects would need to be cancelled. That statement is unquestionably correct. What you are saying is that some of those transport projects are “wasteful”, e.g. bus lanes. We can have that debate, but it is a separate one.
  
  Let’s say Grant Robertson had said to the Transport Minister “You are not getting a top up. Cut transport spending by $2 billion”. You think that they would cut what you are calling “wasteful spending”. Maybe. Or more likely they would have simply continued with their pet projects and cancelled roads and road maintenance.
  
  I hope that clarifies what I was saying earlier.
  
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  March 6, 2023 9:56am
  - Matt Long
    
    I guess it’s hard for a dumb county boy like me to understand how unused cycle lanes are transport projects. I tend to think in terms of moving people and freight efficiently.
    So for example, just to help me understand, a multimillion Waka Kotahi Admin building is a transport project, as it houses people employed to save the planet from climate change, I mean to plan transport? //
    
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    March 6, 2023 10:12am
    - Matt Long
      
      Or more simply you see the government cutting roading if they have less lolly, I see them spending on roading what they have to to avoid crowds with torches and pitchforks and everything on top going to white elephants like cycle and bus lanes and rail.
      
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      March 6, 2023 10:17am
    - Widogast Corwin
      
      As I said earlier in the thread, I bought a bike just for a bit of exercise and going to the local shops. The cycleways in Christchurch are fun to ride on, but I can’t see how they ever met a cost benefit test.
      
      I went for a 1 hour ride yesterday. During that time I saw 2 other cyclists.
      
      I am looking forward to the census data on transport modes. In the 2018 census, FEWER people were travelling to work and education by bike than in 1990. I would be surprised if the mode share has changed much. IIIRC in 2018, it was 2 percent. Let’s say it is now 3 percent. Big deal.
      
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      March 6, 2023 10:41am
      - RoboRob
        
        I cycle to work every day (rain or shine) and CHCH is one of the best cities for bikes as it is mostly flat.
        
        Even if we double the # of cyclists (possible with the flurry of oldies on their new E bikes), there are still going to be piles of cars needing roads. Bikes might reduce the need for new roads but they do nothing to reduce the need for maintenance.
        
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        March 6, 2023 11:19am
      - Chris Nisbet
        
        Cost benefit analysis? There’s a climate crisis don’t you know – there’s no point wasting money on them.
        
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        March 6, 2023 1:28pm
      - Alan Wilkinson
        
        @Rob, precisely. Trucks damage the roads. None will travel on cycleways.
        
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        March 6, 2023 3:51pm
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        A 1 hour ride on Sunday and you only only saw 2 other cyclists? Where on earth would that be?
        Where I live in North Shore, and anywhere within a 15 km radius, you would come across several dozen (and often a lot more) cyclists in a 1 hour ride. The Lake Rd cycle way is typically quite busy, though to be fair, there would be many more cars than cyclists.
        I use a lot of the cycle ways in Auckland and they are well used. Obviously they are not suitable for everyone. However if I am going 5 km or so and don’t need to carry much stuff, I use the bike instead of the car. I am quite happy to run a 3 litre diesel car, though I will look at electric for my next vehicle. They now have enough range. With a pretty decent charging network.
        
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        March 6, 2023 4:56pm
krazykiwi

More from the lockdown files: Matt Hancock’s Plan to “Deploy the New Variant” to “Frighten the Pants off Everyone”.

Frighten the Pants off Everyone
Yup, that’s what will get proper behaviour change.
When do we deploy the new variant?

Anyone brave enough to suggest that exact same conversations weren’t happening between Ardern and her coterie?

And anyone brave enough to suggest that exact same things won’t happen again given that (a) our laws permit it, and (b) we’ve sold our soul the WHO, that will be authorised to overrule national planning with their global agenda?
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March 6, 2023 8:04am
- Grunter
  
  Hipkins was a key part of the entire COVID shambles and of course they scammed us with BS ‘science’ and pink-haired experts. Nothing they did worked. Masks don’t achieve a thing, the mandated jab now causing excess deaths, lockdowns were a disaster short term and even worse long term.
  
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  March 6, 2023 8:17am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Grunter – I’m still waiting for someone in the media to ask Hipkins what he knew or what his role was in the removal of important information regarding the risks to young people from the experimental jabs.
    
    Astonishing silence.
    
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    March 6, 2023 9:15am
    - Grunter
      
      Dont hold your breath for MSM to ask the hard questions. MSM are shitting themselves because they know there’s a problem and that they were a key part of the scam
      
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      March 6, 2023 9:22am
      - Keith White
        
        Sadly, we’re not yet seeing the march of the peasants with pitchforks and torches… and tar and feathers.
        
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        March 6, 2023 10:31am
    - Bridgenag
      
      Teen Suicides Due to the Deliberate Lies Told by the UK Government about COVID Risk
      Dr Renee Hoenderkamp talks to Dr David Bull on Talk TV
      https://open.substack.com/pub/metatron/p/teen-suicides-due-to-the-deliberate?r=1aj1bv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
      
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      March 6, 2023 12:26pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Well here’s a first.
  
  In this moving video, a town councilor in West Nipissing, Ontario, Canada, Anne Tessier, officially apologizes for vaccine mandates.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBSppvX6MwM
  
  In NZ? Keep taking the jabs.
  
  This country is in serious trouble. Surely this level of censorship cannot be maintained and still have a functioning society?
  
  I hear Kim Jong-un is trying to hire Ardern and Hipkins as narrative control consultants.
  
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  March 6, 2023 8:46am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    How long before they leave for North Korea?
    
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    March 6, 2023 9:56am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Talking about Canada, here’s Trudeau caught lying again.
  
  Trudeau Caught Lying About Calling Vaxx Mandate Protesters Racist
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMQNevt8odA&t=1295s
  
  Dore and his guest discuss how Canadians cannot see the tyranny being inflicted on them.
  
  Dore – so what is wrong with Canadians?
  
  Guest – There are a lot who are speaking out, there are too many who are, um, I’m not saying stupid – relying on media, being misinformed. There are too many who listen to the CDC, Canadian mainstream news etc. Informationally illiterate.
  
  He goes on to explain that due to this trust of government and media, many Canadians believed Trudeau’s lies about the trucker protest. That they were “right wing”, Nazis, racists and misogynists.
  
  Exactly the same applies to NZ and the protest in Wellington a year ago.
  
  As the guest says.
  
  how do you expect people to fight for their own freedom if they don’t know they are captured
  
  We are Canada’s twin when it comes to the despicable state of our governance. Removing Ardern has made little difference sadly.
  
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  March 6, 2023 9:10am
- Random T Person
  
  Astonishing. And yet, so many of us suspected that this was exactly what was going on.
  Always trust your instincts.
  
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  March 6, 2023 9:23am
  - krazykiwi
    
    My formerly circumspect regard for integrity of the state and its supposed interest in the welfare of its citizens has been replaced with outright skepticism. I now regard any utterance by state actors requiring my compliance with full contempt, until I have critiqued the basis of those demands.
    
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    March 6, 2023 10:00am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      kk – this post discussing the (predicted) pivot to climate once the covid scam was exposed is on the money and worth reading in full.
      
      We learnt centuries ago in the Enlightenment that stifling scientific inquiry and denouncing new discoveries as heretical was wrong. Yet, the response to Covid-19 has taught us that this lesson has been discarded with dissenters to the approved narrative being monitored by the state, cancelled by social media and ridiculed by the commentariat even though they have subsequently proven to be right.
      
      Now C.S. Lewis’ moral busy-bodies are hard at work on Net Zero. The original Net Zero order was waved through Parliament without a formal vote or formal cost-benefit analysis. The House of Lords is now urging Government to adopt similar failed Covid-19 coercive behavioural policies to help implement Net Zero.
      
      https://davidturver.substack.com/p/covid-lockdown-files-lessons-applied-net-zero
      
      A wonderful article which I can’t recommend highly enough.
      
      Following the Science™ on Covid-19?
      In recent times, we were told the authorities were following The Science™ in their response to Covid-19. However, we now know that to be nonsense:
      
      We were locked down even though lockdowns don’t work.
      
      We were forced to wear masks even though they make little difference.
      
      Children were coerced into taking vaccines even though the JCVI failed to recommend them.
      
      People were banned from social media for suggesting the virus might have come from a Wuhan lab even though that is now accepted as the most likely source.
      
      We had to show vaccine passports to go to the pub or theatre even though the vaccines do little to stop transmission.
      
      The Government used fear to increase the perceived level of threat from Covid-19 to increase compliance with lockdowns, at the behest of SPI-B.
      
      The same will be done with the climate scam. Let’s hope enough people have been red pilled through the covid narrative to stop this one in it’s tracks quickly.
      
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      March 6, 2023 10:16am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        It is clearly all part of the WEF/UN attempts to implement Agenda 2030.
        For further confirmation here is an excellent video from Jimmy Dore exposing the connections between WEF plants and our so called “democracies”.
        This is Canada specific, but we know Ardern was another Schwab acolyte.
        Less than 10 minutes and very informative.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxzap7znaMA
        
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        March 6, 2023 10:21am
- kowtow
  
  The UK media holding their powerful elites to account ……….
  
  ……..what a novel notion.
  
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  March 6, 2023 10:51am
- Ghost
  
  So why was this released now, what are they wanting to distract people from.
  
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  March 6, 2023 10:59am
  - Alan Wilkinson
    
    A journalist released it, not the Govt.
    
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    March 6, 2023 3:52pm
Scott

“Alice laughed: “There’s no use trying,” she said; “one can’t believe impossible things.” “I daresay you haven’t had much practice,” said the Queen. “When I was younger, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.”

With the decline in the west of the Christian religion we are supposed to become more rational, more emperical, more guided by the science. In fact our society has become more crazy. For example here are six impossible things that the former Prime minister, NZ’s own Alice in Wonderland, asked us to believe –

-the vaccine is completely safe.
-locking down the whole population of NZ for a virus that is only really harmful to old people is a good idea.
-trans women are women
– supporting the aborting of the unborn child up until birth is a sign of a good moral person.
-we can have zero deaths on the road if we slow down to 80kms on the open road and 40kms or less in town
-if we cut our carbon emissions we can change the weather. Her successor suggests we won’t have cyclones if we cut our carbon emissions.

I’m sure others can add to the list? But there’s six impossible things the ruling class and the media to this day insist we must believe.

Meanwhile the good book says –
“Thinking themselves wise they became fools” (Romans 1:22)
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March 6, 2023 8:05am
NeverMindTheBollocks

I’m amazed that the story doesn’t feature comment from the relevant iwi (s).

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2023/03/priceless-motuketekete-island-up-for-sale-in-once-in-a-lifetime-opportunity.html
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March 6, 2023 8:18am
Biscuit

PREMIER LEAGUE
Liverpool 7 ( Gakpo 2, Núñez 2, Salah 2, Firmino)
Manchester United 0

The cat is on double rations today!
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March 6, 2023 8:29am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Biscuit – a game for the ages! I’m almost ready to open the bubbly, well, it’s after midday somewhere…..
  Brilliance. Looks like the new boys are clicking into the team.
  
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  March 6, 2023 8:34am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Meh – two bald men fighting over a comb
  
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  March 6, 2023 8:42am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Good Scouse names there!!!!
  
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  March 6, 2023 8:42am
  - pdm
    
    Love it FT.
    
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    March 6, 2023 9:14am
    - Biscuit
      
      Careful. pdm.
      
      I just may need to resort to an ‘Aren’t Hawkes Bay’s Fijian wings on fire today?’ when the NPC resumes…
      
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      March 6, 2023 12:56pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    The scousers visit the beach…..
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIhFwLjsQug
    
    “Look, there’s an ugly bird – hey ugly bird, givvus a shag!”
    
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    March 6, 2023 9:20am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      “Well, I wouldn’t normally … but I will for you, you sweet talking bastard!”
      
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      March 6, 2023 9:28am
- pdm
  
  Biscuit – does that double or treble Liverpools total goals for the season?
  
  Asking for a friend.
  
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  March 6, 2023 9:13am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Don’t know, but it’s the first time Utd have conceded 7 since 1931 and Salah just took Robbie Fowler’s title as top Premier League scorer for the club, and did it in around 60 games less. He’s also scored 10 against Utd, more than any other Premier League player in history.
    It’s been an “average” season, but still not shabby!!
    
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    March 6, 2023 9:26am
    - Prince
      
      Can I just say, as a Leeds supporter,
      SHUT UP EVERYONE.
      
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      March 6, 2023 9:43am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        😂😂😂
        
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        March 6, 2023 9:53am
      - Biscuit
        
        Prince, I”m usually quick at picking up vibes.
        
        But your message puzzles me…
        
        What ARE you saying?
        
        Stay well…
        
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        March 6, 2023 12:58pm
- plc
  
  Today is indeed a very good day.
  
  After watching Scholes on local Sky, I enjoyed watching Neville and Keane on Sky UK…..nothing tastes better than bitter tears.
  
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  March 6, 2023 11:27am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    plc – this 3 minute video had me almost on the floor in tears laughing.
    A Man Utd vlogger watching the game live. Fair play to him, he edits the video to only show his responses to the goals. Priceless!!!
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrRLPvGCveE
    
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    March 6, 2023 11:58am
    - JimBobJoe
      
      Goldbridge is very fair and his longer shows on EPL are pretty good….
      
      His in game reaction clips are often hilarous…. this one is a fave
      
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      March 6, 2023 4:44pm
- JimBobJoe
  
  Indeed it was a great day for the Redmen and for all teams that hate Man U, so 17 other EPL teams. We have to exclude Everton as the bitters will absolutely hate Liverpool winning…..
  
  YNWA Biscuit
  
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  March 6, 2023 4:45pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/this-is-a-typical-email-which-i-receive-occasionally-how-would-you-answer/
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March 6, 2023 8:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I have sent email to Victoria Watt. Here is the context:
  
  Hello Victoria,
  
  On the very first page of the ‘Stop Co-Governance blog, there is a disclaimer.
  It says ‘if you are an average Maori’, and not one of the Elite Maori, I would start researching where all the “Maori money and assets” have gone. And when you find out, start taking action to stop the corruption.
  
  On receiving the pamphlet you have gone straight into defense mode on thinking “Oh here is another Racist’ Julian Batchelor is not the arrogant one, you are. He is not causing damage at all.
  Julian Batchelor is pulling off a scab and exposing the pus filled festering sore of corruption.
  
  Maybe you, Victoria could explain where all of the money and assets have gone.
  Please let me know when you have found out.
  
  Yours un-racially,
  Stephen C P Otto.
  
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  March 6, 2023 8:43am
  - Nickc2
    
    Don’t be surprised if her response (if any) includes the word Racist in relation to yourself, Steve.
    
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    March 6, 2023 8:53am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Calling me ‘Racist’ just means she has no more answers. She does not believe the money and assets have gone to the Elite Maori.
      Calling me racist does not bother me. I know I am not.
      
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      March 6, 2023 9:40am
- Cassandra
  
  I suspect Victoria will get some useful replies but they will have no effect on her opinion. Quite how giving members of the Mahuta family more power over NZ’s resources and activities than the Cassandra family is unclear. How it gets Maoris leaving school being able to read, write and count is also unclear. Why Cassandras with a Maori ancestor should have more say than the solely Scottish- descent side of the family is also unclear and seems wrong to all of us. But I am not going to waste my time writing to her.
  
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  March 6, 2023 8:52am
O C Smith

TV3 AM Show “….. will help 100,000 whanua” can someone translate, is it people, families or groups of families?
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March 6, 2023 8:46am
- pdm
  
  OC S
  
  Every one is someones whanau so they say. Therefore we should all benefit.
  
  Waters the payout down a fair bit though.
  
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  March 6, 2023 9:18am
- Ehlana
  
  Whanau used to refer to extended family, but it now seems to also mean nuclear family. So, basically, lots of people.
  
  Probably mainly childcare centres actually, who can now raise their prices.
  
  I’d be interested to see what percentage of family income goes on childcare these days. I suspect a lot of families would be just as well off financially if Mum and Dad worked shorter days (say 5-6 hours), one in the morning and the other in the afternoon/evening while the non-working parent looked after the children.
  
  Then we could release all those childcare workers into other work, so solving our labour shortage.
  
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  March 6, 2023 9:37am
- kowtow
  
  The purpose of language used to be communication.
  
  Now te media pardy has gone down the identity politics rabbit hole , the purpose of language is division , separatism and confusion.
  
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  March 6, 2023 10:55am
- Paulus
  
  Whanau like so much else is what you want it to be !
  
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  March 6, 2023 1:23pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Ted Cruz. They chose to ignore the news rather than report it (Wuhan Lab)

https://rightwingnewshour.com/senator-ted-cruz-crushes-wapo-fact-checker/
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March 6, 2023 8:48am
- RoboRob
  
  I always used to think Cruz was a pompous git, probably because of the medias selected sound bites and his accent. However I started listening to the ‘Verdict with Ted Cruz’ podcast. He is brilliant, fair and seemingly honest. Many right wing podcasters (incl the guy on with Cruz sometimes) often take things to far, exaggerate or mischaracterise to argue their points. Not so much with Cruz. Highly recommended.
  
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  March 6, 2023 11:24am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    RR I also listen to Verdict with Ted Cruz. He knows his legal shizzle!
    
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    March 6, 2023 9:16pm
Swifty

So a Labour government establishes District Health Boards saying they will be the best thing since sliced bread then another Labour government disestablishes them saying they are not a good mechanism, bloated, constipated and inefficient and with unnecessary duplication.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300819594/newsable-prime-minister-chris-hipkins-looks-to-restore-confidence-in-constipated-health-system

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_health_board

They don’t have a clue.

I will now take bets on exactly when a future Labour government will say the current structure is too centralised, too bureaucratic, lacks nimbleness and innovation and that we need a new regionalised health system with geographic coverage and accountability.

The illusion of progress. They treat us like idiots.
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March 6, 2023 9:08am
- Ghost
  
  Strange, our dhb was doing fine, in the black financially. ED wait time wasn’t very long, specialist wait time wasn’t very long. Then labour got into government and screwed it all up. Thanks labour, best idea you ever had was sacking perfectly healthy staff because they didn’t get vaccinated. Then because you were financially and morally bankrupt you put up the points system making it harder for people to get treatment. Closed hospitals that had no Covid in them, or even in the district. Spent millions putting a dead language all over them. Changed health records to give everyone a pronoun. Meanwhile people are suffering and dying because of your constant screwing the health system. Personally I love going to the gp and listening to people being told by what used to be huge labour supporting receptionist how you have screwed things up so much.
  
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  March 6, 2023 9:22am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Slightly off topic, but when we lived in the UK, it was very difficult to get a short notice GP appointment. If one of the (then small) kids woke up with an ear infection or some such, we’d want to see a doctor sooner rather than later. But, without fail, the GP’s surgery would be filled with little old ladies going to see the nice young doctor – presumably because he was the only one who would listen to them wittering on, & service was free at the point of delivery.
    
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    March 6, 2023 9:35am
    - Ghost
      
      Had a relative whose hip collapsed last year waiting for a hip replacement. Left in a wheelchair in incredibly pain. His surgeon was working damn hard to get the operation and in the end bypassed the ministry of health refusing it and went ahead with it. Heard not long after they put the points up further. Our dhb used to push knee and hip replacements through the private hospital, not sure if they have started doing that again but they were stopped by the new set up of doing that.
      
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      March 6, 2023 10:06am
      - kevn
        
        @Ghost… do little. Ask any nurse.
        
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        March 6, 2023 12:07pm
    - RoboRob
      
      We are moving towards that now. Pre COVID I could get an appointment with our doctors on the same day. Now it takes about three days minimum.
      
      My Son, doing NCEA, was sick and would miss an exam. I contacted the school, they said I needed a medical certificate. Contacted the doctors, next slot 4 days away. Obviously he would be better by then. Went back to the school, no problem they said, just go see the doctor in 4 days with a well child (pay them) and get a back dated certificate !
      
      You couldn’t make this shit up. Seeing the doctor with a well child to take the slot of some other poor sick bugger.
      
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      March 6, 2023 11:30am
  - All_on_Red
    
    I joined the queue for a Hip Operation Jan 2022
    Got told in Sept 2022 that I was now ‘highest priority’.
    Still haven’t got a date for the surgery.
    Apparently Auckland DHB refuses to contract operations out privately- is this true?
    
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    March 6, 2023 9:49am
    - RoboRob
      
      No idea but
      
      There are only two ways to manage scarce resources,
      1) Price
      2) Rationing
      
      In NZ we have chosen option 2.
      
      I had a hernia some years ago, doc said to me ‘got health insurance?’ yes I said but isn’t this covered with public (not wanting to pay my excess). Sure is said the doctor. Its about a 2 yr waiting list, but your lucky as if you were over 60 you would never even get it.
      
      Used my health insurance and had the operation within the week!
      
      Sucks that you need to pay twice, once for public services you may never use and once for private.
      
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      March 6, 2023 11:35am
  - the deity formerly known as nigel6888
    
    But its a lovely new logo. Fortunately they had a professional no-nonsense chair, focused on good governance, and getting the basics of healthcare delivery right….
    
    Oh, yes. Ooops, we got a blowhard who thought he was bigger than the job, and then when it got too hard and a bit obviously starting to fail, started flinging poo like a mad woman….
    
    (with apologies to mad women)
    
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    March 6, 2023 9:50am
- Jafa
  
  My son is a house surgeon in a North Island provincial city. He was on call last weekend. There was a surgical patient on a bed in a corridor outside the ED on Saturday afternoon waiting to be admitted. On Monday the patient was still in the corridor. So there no beds and folks are parked up wherever. It’s not yet Winter folks so how do you Kiwibloggers think we’re going to go this year? These health reforms have been a total disaster and most kiwis have no idea what a mess things are. And Labour have had 6 years of being in charge of things so can’t weasel out and blame National. The targets were working well and the first thing Labour do is abolish them. Of course the MSM will never report this because they don’t want to rain on Chippies parade. We are so screwed if they get a third term.
  
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  March 6, 2023 10:00am
  - RoboRob
    
    Yes, health had improved under National and has quicly gotten worse under the caring hands of Labour.
    
    Funny in a recent Ipsos poll most people trusted Labour on health more !
    
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    March 6, 2023 11:38am
    - Alan Wilkinson
      
      It’s not funny, it’s tragic for the future of this country.
      
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      March 6, 2023 7:01pm
  - kevn
    
    @Jafa… ‘Health reforms?’ answer is.. do-little.
    What a sh*t show.
    Sorry for your son having to work in such chaos caused by stupidity.
    
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    March 6, 2023 12:11pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “There was a surgical patient on a bed in a corridor outside the ED on Saturday afternoon waiting to be admitted. On Monday the patient was still in the corridor. ”
    
    That sounds like what you would expect in some war torn third world country.
    
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    March 6, 2023 9:19pm
Swifty

I don’t know if pre-contact Maori were doing much in the way of antler sharpening:

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/education/300820273/sixyearold-budding-historian-discovers-taonga-tturu-on-auckland-beach
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March 6, 2023 9:18am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Antler sharpening? That speaks to the quality of the jounalism right there.
  
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  March 6, 2023 9:38am
- Inandout
  
  Swifty, and around the time that rock was used much of the world was building roads and structures on a stupendous scale. I guess Stuff is kind of desperate for any news.
  
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  March 6, 2023 9:43am
  - greybeard
    
    312 B.C.
    The first major Roman road—the famed Appian Way, or “queen of the roads”—was constructed in 312 B.C. to serve as a supply route between republican Rome and its allies in Capua during the Second Samnite War.
    ( just thought it was somehow relevant ! )
    
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    March 6, 2023 10:20am
- Paulus
  
  Didn’t think any Deer had been imported into New Zealand prior to say 1840 !
  Whic canoe did they arrive on and from where ?
  
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  March 6, 2023 1:49pm
Ghost

Hmm, so one of the people spreading lies about the deaths in the cyclone runs a mental health charity.

In online videos, Baker – who runs a mental health charity and achieved brief online notoriety for selling Donald Trump-themed toilet paper – became an on-the-ground witness to the carnage. He posted daily reports on his Facebook page, and was interviewed by Counterspin Media and Liz Gunn, videos that have been viewed tens of thousands of times combined.

His reports included an intriguing claim, attributed to two unnamed people he said had “very high roles in emergency services”: The death toll was much higher than what was officially reported.

Stuff Article
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March 6, 2023 9:42am
kevn

@Ghost… Can anyone, tell me of anything useful this clown circus has done?
I imagine them doing nothing for the last 5 years and how much better off NZ would be.
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March 6, 2023 9:54am
- Ghost
  
  Sure, they got rid of Jacinda Ardern. Replaced by someone just as bad, but at least they got rid of her.
  
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  March 6, 2023 10:02am
  - kevn
    
    @Ghost… But, but, arden said she left to spend more time as a (full term abortion advocate) mother? Surely labour didn’t dump (toxic as she was) her?
    Goodness me.
    
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    March 6, 2023 10:10am
I remember when

I have been speaking with a member of the police who was sent to Napier in the early stages of the flooding response.
They were led to believe that there were reports of numerous fatilities.
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March 6, 2023 9:57am
kevn

@I remeb… Funny how we don’t trust any official comms nowdays.
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March 6, 2023 10:11am
Widogast Corwin

I thought this was satire, but it is not.

We have a new COVID vaccine on the way, made in New Zealand. “Kiwi Vax”. Seriously. It is being produced by “Vaccine Alliance Aotearoa New Zealand – Ohu Kaupare Huaketo (VAANZ)’

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC2303/S00008/kiwi-made-covid-19-booster-vaccine-offers-100-protection-in-preclinical-study.htm

It is “safe and effective in preclinical models”. They are looking for volunteers to participate in clinical trials in coming months.

They say:

“We’ve proven that New Zealand has the expertise and skills to develop a novel and effective vaccine against a pandemic virus and have built the capability, knowledge and connections to lay the foundations for New Zealand’s response to future pandemics.”

Oh dear 🙂
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March 6, 2023 10:11am
- kevn
  
  @Wido… Expect a stampede of volunteers for (yet to be proven) but ‘safe and effective’ KiwiJab.
  FFS
  
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  March 6, 2023 10:30am
  - Keith White
    
    After all, what could possibly go wrong?
    
    And if it does go wrong, the gaslight will be turned up to nuke-sunlight-level intensity.
    
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    March 6, 2023 10:34am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    The funny thing is that there actually will be a stampede of volunteers. They only need about 500 and there are plenty of folk out there who will jump at the opportunity.
    
    During the paediatric COVID trials in the USA, Pfizer needed a few thousand infants and young children for the clinical trials. IIRC they were over-subscribed several times over with parents pleading for their children to be part of the trials.
    
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    March 6, 2023 10:48am
    - Bridgenag
      
      You know ….I despair. Sent irrefutable information showing the truth that the vaccines don’t work to a retired expert in his field person [i.e. theoretically not a moron] and the reply was…”we haven’t had Covid so it must have worked and we are going to get the new boosters”…..ffffffffs
      
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      March 6, 2023 12:58pm
I remember when

Neil Winton a veteran reporter, including as a global Science and Technology Correspondent, comes clean on climate change.
“I had no reason to think this wasn’t established fact.
I was wrong.
Imagine my amazement when I started talking to the world’s top climate scientists and found the science wasn’t even ckose to being proven.
To my amazement, none would say categorically that the link between CO2 and global warming, was a proven fact.
I had great difficulty finding anyone to say the link between excessive human-made CO2 and a changing climate was clear.
There were many assumptions, but no proof.
Yet the BBC and mainstream media constantly reported a proven doom scenario.
Some said human production of CO2 was a possible cause, others that it might make a contribution, some said CO2 had no role at all.
Everybody agreed the climate had warmed over the last 10,000 years, but most weren’t really sure why.
The sun’s radiation , was a favoured culprit.”
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March 6, 2023 10:14am
- Keith White
  
  Neil Winton could have just stopped at “I had no reason”. That’s all he needs to admit to.
  
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  March 6, 2023 10:35am
- kowtow
  
  Put it this way .
  
  How old is the basic science of tectonic plate movements ?
  
  It’s actually very young .
  
  We know so very little , relatively , about Earth science and yet pollies and school children think they can control the climate .
  
  Madness .
  
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  March 6, 2023 11:05am
  - Paulus
    
    Tectonic Plate movement is only a few million years ago – so quite recent really.
    
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    March 6, 2023 1:51pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  This is why they attacked Maureen Pugh, she was asking for something that doesn’t exist – proof.
  
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  March 6, 2023 11:10am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  That’s right. Blame the sun. Poor old sun, eh. Let’s hope it does not pack a sad, otherwise we’re all in trouble.
  
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  March 6, 2023 1:45pm
BeaB

Why can’t we add a couple more years to the beginning of primary school? Same site, same admin, specialist teachers, extra rooms and play areas. Leave the private sector to take care of the infants and toddlers but free state ECE would be available from, say, the age of 3.
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March 6, 2023 10:16am
- artemisia
  
  Our 6 year old ‘graduated’ from ECE to year 1 right next door, part of the same school complex. Worked well, easy managed transition. Not a state school though. Not cheap either. But no reason it couldn’t work just as well in the state system. Could start by bringing in kindergartens, almost completely state funded anyway.
  
  (Both parents trained teachers and not happy with the state school a couple of blocks away.)
  
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  March 6, 2023 12:30pm
- Bridgenag
  
  GREAT IDEA
  
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  March 6, 2023 1:00pm
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  I can’t help thinking that we would have a stronger society if the people who had children were their main care giver and saw that as their most important vocation. As opposed to subscribing to handing this responsibility to the care of a low waged workforce.
  
  The family unit is the building block of society. Government settings and policy that weaken the family unit are to our detriment. Subsidising childcare weakens the family unit. I would rather see income sharing for the first 100k of household income for parents. That would substantially lower tax and encourage more households to have a stay at home parent.
  
  I’d also rather find ways to empower folks to provide their own kids lunches than providing them at school. Hand ups not hand outs.
  
  Bit old fashioned maybe, but I truely believe most children would grow up in better emotional, spiritual and physical health if we had more family first policies.
  
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  March 6, 2023 8:22pm
Grunter

Link to Ian Wisharts ‘Climate of Fear’ report
https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/climate-of-fear-report
NIWA admitted that they have deleted historic weather data to suit their scam that storms are getting worse and more frequent.

Just highlights once more the lengths that these psychopaths go to to create fear. And they wonder why our teenagers and 20-somethings have mental health issues!
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March 6, 2023 10:19am
- cmm
  
  Deleting data is a crime against science. This is nothing new from NIWA.
  
  When people are in a habit of acting like this then they are activists – not scientists.
  
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  March 6, 2023 10:54am
BeaB

National standards didn’t work because they were so watered down by the unions and bureaucrats they were virtually meaningless. Just as secondary schools have their results made public so too primary schools should have to publish their testing.
Unions will screech ‘league tables’ but we already have nationally normed tests to evaluate progress and we, the funders, should be able to see what the schools are achieving with the massive resourcing they get.
Public accountability always achieves better results. Just as an adjustment to funding based on actual rolls at, say mid-year, would rapidly improve attendance. There’s no incentive when high schools get their whole years funding based on their 1 March roll. Why then go hunting for the lazy, delinquent and unwilling?
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March 6, 2023 10:24am
Ghost

This scam has been going on for a long time, but it appears they are now using AI to fake the voice of a loved one. Tell your elderly relatives.

The man calling Ruth Card sounded just like her grandson Brandon. So when he said he was in jail, with no wallet or cellphone, and needed cash for bail, Card scrambled to do whatever she could to help.

“It was definitely this feeling of . . . fear,” she said. “That we’ve got to help him right now.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/300822895/they-thought-loved-ones-were-calling-for-help–it-was-an-ai-scam
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March 6, 2023 10:26am
Ghost

Killed because of a minor traffic accident.

Joshuah Tasi was a talented musician and a brother who loved and looked after his siblings, says a high school friend.

Tasi, 28, died after an altercation with two teenagers on Beach Haven Rd on Friday night and community leaders say his violent death has left residents in a state of shock.

Luke Liederman told the Herald that he met Tasi in their last year of school at Northcote College and that they bonded over music.

NZ Herald
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March 6, 2023 10:48am
- Blog-aholic
  
  There is and can never be an excuse to execute another person like this.
  
  The mongrel excuses for humans who did this have to have a suitable punishment or justice will never be served.
  
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  March 6, 2023 10:57am
  - kowtow
    
    Not a lawyer , but given there are active charges , surely we must be very careful how we comment .
    
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    March 6, 2023 11:07am
- Ghost
  
  The two teenagers charged with murder after an altercation in Auckland’s Beach Haven on Friday have appeared in court.
  
  The boys, aged 17 and 14, were arrested in the Far North on Saturday and charged with the murder of 28-year-old Joshuah Tasi, and appeared in North Shore Youth Court on Monday.
  
  The duo appeared, one by audiovisual link, and one in person, in front of Judge Kirsten Lummis.
  
  No pleas were entered on their behalf.
  
  Stuff
  
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  March 6, 2023 12:33pm
  - Ghost
    
    Maybe they should have prayed before committing murder
    
    Judge Kirsten Lummis ordered suppression of the boys’ names and identifying details, but noted the significant public interest and media reporting of the case over the weekend.
    
    The boys are remanded in custody until their next hearing at the High Court later this month.
    
    ”Love you!” family and friends called out at the end of each hearing.
    
    ”Don’t forget to pray, son!” the mother of the older defendant called out as he left the dock.
    
    NZ Herald
    
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    March 6, 2023 12:38pm
  - Ghost
    
    With friends and family like this, perhaps they should take their own advice to not to forget to pray
    
    Supporters of two teenagers charged with murder after an altercation in Auckland’s Beach Haven clashed with police and court security on Monday.
    
    One supporter could be heard yelling: “Get your f…ing hands off me.”
    
    Stuff
    
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    March 6, 2023 2:22pm
Chuck Bird

FYI

Was Cyclone Gabrielle really a product of climate change?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiUe0xXsHys

https://theplatform.kiwi/assets/article_files/2023/march/climate-of-fear-report-by-ian-wishart.pdf
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March 6, 2023 10:53am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Chuck Bird – No. It was a product of weather. Also influenced by the Tongan volcanic eruption.
  
  https://www.livescience.com/tonga-eruption-water-vapor
  
  Even the Chinese were warning about it in January 2022.
  
  The volcanic eruption in Tonga could weaken the intensity of the summer monsoon in East Asia in the following year and thus cause the southward shift of China’s summer rain belts, according to the China Meteorological Administration.
  
  Nah, that doesn’t fit the current narrative so let’s not report this potentially interesting information. Let’s keep telling people this is “proof” that the SCIENCE™ is “settled”.
  
  To think, we have a whole generation of kids terrified that they won’t make it to 30 due to this ideological indoctrination.
  Al Gore told us in 2006 that we only had 10 years left to save the world. How long is this going to take ffs???
  
  https://www.stage.investors.com/politics/editorials/al-gore-runs-global-warming-racket/
  
  Remember the “pandemic”? Fool me once…….
  
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  March 6, 2023 1:30pm
kowtow

According to a Whoreald editorial on the census the 5 year budget for same is $251 mil , with an extra $14 mil thrown in for a “Maori led project” .

There’s plenty of meat for the Opposition to get stuck into.
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March 6, 2023 11:13am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Maximo Alvarez warns about Socialists at the Trump roundtable.
“If you lose this place you have nowhere to go.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1ybQWwLl4s
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March 6, 2023 11:42am
oldpark

Ever since Luxon has taught Ardern’s replacement Hipkins how to suck eggs on how to look after NZs hardworking families with his recent positive announcement.

Out of the woodwork come the politically bribed sickos so called NZ Mainstream Media .
Leading the charge putting the boot into NZs next Prime Minister is the fake news merchants “Newsroom” and their running mates “Stuff”.
Their bribed coffers must be getting low as they are desperate for another top up or handout of NZs Taxpayers Dollars .
Since their ilk were bribed with 55 million dollars by Ardern/Hipkins gang to tell news in their favour mostly massaged fiction.
What a web they have weaved as they daily set out to deceive hardworking NZs Taxpayers .
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March 6, 2023 11:54am
- MCōs
  
  What a load of crap.
  
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  March 6, 2023 12:34pm
  - Mike
    
    To put it kindly.
    
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    March 6, 2023 2:23pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Oh look, it’s the dynamic duo of infinite wisdom! 🤣
      
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      March 6, 2023 9:26pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    ” fake news merchants “Newsroom” and their running mates “Stuff”.”
    So they are not ‘fake news’ Fooled me. Children repeaters. I would never name them reporters or journalists. They don’t seem to have progressed from Primary School.
    
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    March 6, 2023 3:05pm
Ghost

Can we stop calling a few years life

A Taranaki gang president has been jailed for life, with a minimum non-period of 10.5 years, after he killed a young Taranaki father during a fight over his association with a rival street gang.

Stuff
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March 6, 2023 12:07pm
- MCōs
  
  Life means the system has its eye on them forever.
  Unlike the US where life without parole seems to be common, to no good end as far as I can see. What’s the point in keeping a seventy year old in prison?
  
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  March 6, 2023 12:32pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Because seventy year olds can still be bad people?
    Because, proper “Life” is a far better deterent than 10 years?
    Because it makes the victims feel safer (yeah, yeah, I know, the Left doesn’t care about victims).
    Because it angers Lefties that think it’s always society’s fault (heaven forbid people be responsible for their own choices and actions)?
    
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    March 6, 2023 12:55pm
    - cmm
      
      “Because, proper “Life” is a far better deterent than 10 years?”
      
      More importantly it keeps the scum off the streets longer.
      
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      March 6, 2023 1:49pm
      - MCōs
        
        If long sentences are a deterrent why do people still protest in Russia?
        
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        March 6, 2023 4:53pm
    - Mike
      
      Do you have evidence that a prospect of a whole life sentence acts as a deterrent? My understanding is that the most serious crimes are mainly committed according to motivations that are relatively impervious to the prospect of a harsh penalty.
      
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      March 6, 2023 2:21pm
      - Libertarians are right
        
        Pretty hard to prove (because we don’t know what’s going on in the heads of criminals), but the number of strike offences before and after the implementation of 3 strikes here would give an idea. Realistically, I just like the idea that they aren’t creating more victims. And yes, 70 year olds can create victims.
        
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        March 6, 2023 4:31pm
      - Matt Long
        
        I believe it is almost impossible for someone incarcerated for life to commit additional crimes outside of prison. The walls and guards have a strong deterrent effect.
        You can note how effective this is by the fact regressive politicians also opt for walls and guards around their persons even while they encourage crime in society at large.
        
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        March 6, 2023 4:43pm
  - Ghost
    
    10 years for a gang president, you think he will change his ways? I don’t, maybe recruit some more gang members in jail, but he will be out and committing crimes again before you know it.
    
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    March 6, 2023 1:09pm
    - Paulus
      
      He will still be Gang President in Jail and will be specially looked after by the young ones wanting to emulate him.
      Similar as we once heard that many school girls all wanted to be like Jacinda !
      
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      March 6, 2023 1:55pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    MCos,
    What about Hillary? What has she done?
    
    BENGAZI!!!!!
    
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    March 6, 2023 3:08pm
    - Mike
      
      I was hoping the new republican congressional majority could hold some hearings and get to the bottom of that Benghazi business, Steve.
      
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      March 6, 2023 4:05pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Another uptick Sonny.
        But maybe you could explain ‘Bengazi’?
        
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        March 6, 2023 6:29pm
      - Mike
        
        Benghazi is a city in Libya, Steve. Well known for changing hands between the Axis and Allies several times during the north African campaign from 1940 to 1943.
        
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        March 6, 2023 6:44pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Life in prison in the real world means the term of one’s natural life. Keeping an eye one someone means, um, keeping an eye on someone.
    
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    March 6, 2023 9:28pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Special K does not want them in jail.
  Bracelet will be being programmed now.
  
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  March 6, 2023 3:06pm
I remember when

Cyclone Gabrielle passed. Then the rumours of hundreds of deaths began: Stuff.

Is this really news?
Isn’t it really another conspiracy theory story to support the mis/disinformation hobby horse.
How dangerous is it for the truth, when the passage of time (and a short one at that) reveals that the rumour is not true.
No, this is really an attempt by the media to appear to be the only source of truth.
Even if we ignore the fact, that for the first couple of days, reliable news of any kind was difficult to find.

Another this is not really news but we have nothing else available article.
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March 6, 2023 1:35pm
- cmm
  
  That’s what I thought too.
  
  See kids: look what happens when you get info anywhere other than the Podium Of Truth!
  
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  March 6, 2023 1:48pm
- Mike
  
  Don’t read Stuff if it upsets you so much. Kiwiblog carried the rumours in comments, and I have read many comments here to the effect that this blog is a better source of news than the despised MSM.
  
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  March 6, 2023 2:19pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Uptick sonny.
    “this blog is a better source of news than the despised MSM”
    
    Especially the news from MIKE!!
    
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    March 6, 2023 3:11pm
cmm

“Tensions boil-over with patched gangsters as Mob boss jailed for ‘cold-hearted’ murder”

So, logically, there must also be warm-hearted murder too!

Time to treat these scum like scum and hose the fuckers off the street.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/tensions-boil-over-with-patched-gangsters-as-mob-boss-jailed-for-cold-hearted-murder-of-rival/7ZHVQPE2PBFITLQDRM7SUFU5OE/
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March 6, 2023 1:47pm
- Mike
  
  Cold-hearted versus hot-blooded.
  Warm-hearted murder would be one done in the victim’s best interests. Like euthanasia.
  
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  March 6, 2023 2:16pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Mike, stop talking sense. I know exactly what you mean by victim’s best interests. Are you OK?
    
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    March 6, 2023 3:16pm
    - Mike
      
      Just an exploration of the vagaries of language, Steve.
      
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      March 6, 2023 3:56pm
Swifty

“Eventually the military accepted and officially confirmed she was the ‘first ever female officer in the parashoot regiment.’”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11823617/Britains-openly-trans-Army-officer-says-ordered-shoot-came-out.html

‘Parashoot….’

Dear me.
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March 6, 2023 1:53pm
- Mike
  
  The Daily Fail…
  
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  March 6, 2023 2:15pm
- Inandout
  
  Swi, parashoot means:
  ‘to attack a parachute invader by shooting’.
  
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  March 6, 2023 3:01pm
  - Mike
    
    Whereas a parasoldier is an armed man carrying a sun-umbrella.
    
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    March 6, 2023 3:57pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Or an event at the Paralympics
      
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      March 6, 2023 5:06pm
crikey

How is it that someone can tick a box on the Census form to say they are “Full Maori”. It is well known that there are no full Maori in New Zealand and it has been that way for 50+ years.
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March 6, 2023 3:14pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  crikey – you surely read the start of the form? You can “identify” as whatever sex you want. Obviously this applies to everything. Just make shit up as you go along. You know, like the Labour Party do?
  
  The next couple of decades are going to be fun……//
  
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  March 6, 2023 4:23pm
- rouppe
  
  I had a bit of a play with my second census form.
  
  First question: Choose Male, Female, Other.
  
  I ticked all three and whoever the morons are that produced this thing, it allowed me to proceed.
  
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  March 6, 2023 4:57pm
  - MCōs
    
    So who’s the moron?
    
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    March 6, 2023 9:30pm
    - rouppe
      
      You
      
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      March 7, 2023 7:33am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Some Māori would be extremely close to “Full Māori” in the DNA sense. I guess 15/16 or 31/32 would not be that unusual. There certainly would be many tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, who would be 3/4 or 7/8.
  At that level people will essentially identify as wholly Māori, with the 1/4 or 1/8 being mostly of curiosity value.
  It is different once the Pakeha portion is 3/8 or 1/2. Then the person will be directly involved in their Pakeha side. They will probably still identify as Māori, but will recognise their broader family in a close way.
  Speaking from familial sense.
  
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  March 6, 2023 9:13pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    DNA test then a gold star for those who don’t fit the criteria?
    
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    March 6, 2023 9:32pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Who believes this shit? I know what a hyperbaric oxygen chamber is. Divers who get the bends is one use.
https://nz.yahoo.com/news/vladimir-putin-uses-cryogenic-oxygen-230219092.html
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March 6, 2023 3:28pm
- Mike
  
  Shades of the 80s comedy Whoops Apocalypse.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG1npud-Euk
  
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  March 6, 2023 4:03pm
- Ghost
  
  Wonder if he got it on sale from the Jackson estate……
  
  Seems he’s always dying, bla bla bla, compared to the current US president who talks and acts like he might actually be dead
  
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  March 6, 2023 4:34pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  SO – Rumour has it, lol.
  
  According to the Daily Star Sunday newspaper, a Russian insider said on the Telegram platform: “Putin has now officially, totally gone ‘Wacko’.
  
  Sounds totally legit.//
  
  Anyway, it’s used in many medical procedures.
  If I had one I’d use it to help get over hangovers, maybe Vlad enjoys a wee vodka or six??!!
  
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  March 6, 2023 4:37pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwiJreENzdY&t=15s

The Perils of a State Funded Mainstream Media in a nominally free western country. O Canada…..
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March 6, 2023 3:43pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  slightlyrighty – I saw most of that this morning on the Jimmy Dore show on Youtube. Absolutely brilliant analysis. Everyone should watch that.
  
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  March 6, 2023 4:39pm
Chris Nisbet

Has anybody seen any actual data that confirms that NZ is experiencing an increasing frequency of extreme weather events, like we’re continually getting told by our govt and MSM and school children?

Just for fun I have downloaded a pile of weather data for Auckland covering the last 20 years to see how much things have changed over that short period of time. In short, it hasn’t.
The most ‘extreme’ change that my inexpert eye can see is a slight increase in the lowest of minimum temperatures during winter.
Maximum temps (and the number of hot days) dont seem to have increased at all.
Rainfall doesn’t seem to have changed at all. Pressures don’t seem to have changed much – maybe a slight reduction in the number of really low pressure readings.

I find it interesting that people are so confident the weather has changed, when really all that’s happened is we’re getting fewer frosts.

Would it kill MSM to actually provide an actual chart showing this increase in extreme weather?
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March 6, 2023 4:27pm
- Libertarians are right
  
  But, feelz???
  
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  March 6, 2023 4:34pm
- Blog-aholic
  
  It wouldn’t kill them but it would kill the carefully manicured narrative.
  
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  March 6, 2023 4:47pm
- surfing
  
  For NZ, it’s extremely simple to find graphs, niwa ….. eg,
  
  For 2022…
  https://niwa.co.nz/climate/summaries/annual-climate-summary-2022
  
  Previous years…
  https://niwa.co.nz/climate/summaries/annual
  
  They have data backing it up, you can call them and ask them for some pricing.
  
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  March 6, 2023 5:39pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Hasn’t NIWA just been exposed omitting multiple extreme weather events from the 1800’s?
    Then there is their reluctance to look at the Tongan Eruption as a contributory cause to recent weather even though Australian Meteorologists already had and had worked out why it had.
    Also, I seem to recall they have form in actually NOT providing data when asked too.
    
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    March 6, 2023 6:16pm
- Wayne Mapp
  
  “Fewer frosts”. Which is exactly what you would expect as the climate warms. Coupled with more extreme weather events.
  I know most commenters here are climate change skeptics (to put it politely). But the changes over the last 2o years are pretty much in line with what climate scientists have predicted.
  The one area of dispute I have is the rate of sea level change. It has been minimal, perhaps 1 to 2 cm. I actually live right beside the sea, with a sea wall at the bottom of the garden. I could not pick a 1 cm sea level change. It would need to be more than 5cm before it would be obvious.
  
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  March 6, 2023 9:23pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Wayne you realise that after a glacial period (ice age) ends, temperatures generally rise until the next glacial period?
    
    20 years is a tiny tiny blip in the overall climate timeline. Our (sparse and patchy, on a global level) thermometer records only go back about 200 years.
    
    You realise that since the last ice age proxy records (ice cores, lake bed sediments, ancient tree lines etc etc) show there were warmer periods than the current period? As in warmer periods than now but no significant human caused Co2.
    
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    March 6, 2023 9:39pm
Ghost

Another former mp, passed. Condolences to her friends and family

The world’s first openly transgender MP, Georgina Beyer, has died in hospice care.

Byer was a Labour MP for Wairarapa and served as mayor of Carterton.

She was a vocal activist for LGBTQI rights.

Scott Kennedy, a friend, released a statement on Monday afternoon saying Beyer had died at 3.30pm in hospice care.

Stuff
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- emmess
  
  [Deleted – a trivial comment is inappropriate. mod.]
  
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  March 6, 2023 4:41pm
Ghost

What the hell is going on in this country. Teenagers commit rape, murder, robberies.

A 16-year-old has pleaded guilty to manslaughter this morning.

He killed Ōkaihau man Michael Biggins in September 2021 – at age 15.

The teen was originally jointly charged with murder, with another boy who was 12 at the time.

The younger boy pleaded not guilty to murder and will go on trial on Wednesday – he is one of the youngest people ever to face that charge in Aotearoa.

Newshub
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March 6, 2023 4:40pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  And, it appears, that Maoris are disproportionately responsible. I wish it were not so; and would be happy to be corrected.
  
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  March 6, 2023 5:11pm
  - Mike
    
    That can’t be correct. Almost every day I read on Kiwiblog that Maori are the privileged ones in NZ.
    
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    March 6, 2023 5:23pm
    - than
      
      The Iwi aristocrats are, not the average Māori.
      
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      March 6, 2023 9:09pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Mike, you appear to specialise in antagonistic twisting of what was said. Have you thought about quitting that?
      
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      March 6, 2023 9:42pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Nah Mike nobody ever said that. You made that up.
      
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      March 6, 2023 9:48pm
MCōs

The old Waikeria Prison was wrecked by rioting inmates about three years ago.
This prison was due for demolition to be replaced by a 500 bed prison plus 100 bed mental unit.
Construction started in 2018 & it’s supposed to handed over later this year.
Apparently the cost is $750mil
A lot of people are hollering out for much longer prison sentences.
That would require a lot of new prisons at, one would have thought, great expense.
Meanwhile
New hospitals I would see as a much higher priority.
It’s a pity they can’t go up as fast as prisons.
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March 6, 2023 5:22pm
- Mike
  
  Bill English famously referred to the billions spent on new prisons since the 1990s as a ‘fiscal and moral failure’.
  
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  March 6, 2023 5:27pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Perhaps he was referring to wasted spending, as in poor outcomes for the spend (something the left excel at)?
    
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    March 6, 2023 9:44pm
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  Amazing! More than $1 million per bed? If that is the initial cost estimate we can probably assume that the end total will be very much higher.
  
  Is there no fixed cost bidding on these projects?
  
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  March 6, 2023 5:59pm
  - Mike
    
    You are amazed that prisons cost billions of dollars?
    
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    March 6, 2023 6:25pm
    - Mike
      
      Bill English’s final budget as minister of finance 2016 showed Corrections capital expenditure rising from $80 million in 2011/122 to $412 million for 2016/17, and capital expenditure is still running at over $400 million per year.
      
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      March 6, 2023 6:39pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        I guess with three strikes you need to put the crims somewhere? Yes it costs big money to clean up the far left’s delusional crap on crime.
        
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        March 6, 2023 9:46pm
    - info@cruzpro.com
      
      No, I am amazed that building a simple room for a single prisoner can cost $1 million.
      
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      March 6, 2023 7:07pm
      - Mike
        
        That’s not the same as the cost divided by the number of beds.
        
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        March 6, 2023 7:23pm
  - MCōs
    
    Have a wee look for yourself
    https://www.cpbcon.com.au/en/our-projects/2018/nz-prison-ppp
    
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    March 6, 2023 7:30pm
    - Nickc2
      
      This project wouldn’t pass the Pub Test. There’s no overt mention of Mahuta Corp.
      That said, it’s probably hidden somewhere in the small print eh?
      
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      March 6, 2023 7:58pm
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Unlikely to be more than $75o million. That figure is already a doubling of the original costs. Yes, ultra expensive.
    All public projects are now built to vastly higher standards than a generation ago. Often quite unnecessarily so.
    Look at modern motorways. Done to a standard that is simply unwarranted. In the past motorways were simply 4 lane roads with a modest level of landscaping. Nowadays a huge amount of landscaping, special wetlands, sculptures, highly decorated concrete form work. The extra cost must be hundreds of millions.
    
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    March 6, 2023 9:49pm
- Bridgenag
  
  I like the sheriff in Texas [?] taking the prisoners out in the desert to live in tents ………
  
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  March 6, 2023 6:53pm
  - Mike
    
    Arizona. and he would have ended in prison himself, except for a pardon from a corrupt president.
    
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    March 6, 2023 7:23pm
- Burtland
  
  so your solution is to let the privileged ones out to go and offend again
  
  if they are to be released they should be released back to their own communities – if no one wants them then they should go and live next door to MCos and Mike
  
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  March 6, 2023 8:38pm
Ghost

And the soft stupid articles we are so used to under Jacinda continue

As journalists, sometimes we need to push for answers to questions people want to dodge. So when PM Chris Hipkins refused to reveal his favourite pie shop on Monday, an in-depth hunt seemed the only answer.

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