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Scott

More disturbing news from the replacement religion, the unholy mess that is Diversity, Inclusion & Equity – DIE.

An airline is celebrating an all gay flight where all of the crew are homosexual. Some customers are less than impressed and want, gasp, an airline that prioritises safety and qualifications!

Apparently airlines are lowering standards to have more women and coloured people and other minorities.
According to a veteran pilot these initiatives are causing causing major safety concerns –

a B-triple-seven off Maui almost crashed two nights ago. Both pilots became disoriented and pulled out of a dive 300 feet above the water, pulling two and a half G’s. …
I’m just home from Denver training center. There are some real horror stories out there about United, but management is hell-bent on just ignoring what is going on. The investigation is still on-going. … but the Captain of the Maui flight was brand new. There was a new-hire First Officer, and my understanding is that we almost lost an airplane for no good reason. Both have been sent back to go through the 4-week course. …

The new-hire first officer on my fleet is a nightmare. It took him 50 hours to get through Initial Operating Experience. Worse yet, talking to his instructor, out of his 25 landings in the simulator, 15 ended up in the dirt. Not one of them was on the centerline of the runway. They said his radio work is like that of a private pilot. He has no situational awareness.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/03/united-airlines-touts-all-lgbtq-flight-crew-customers-not-amused.php

One can only surmise this is coming, or has already come, to Air NZ as well? How long before DIE leads to unsafe airlines?
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March 5, 2023 8:02am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Literally DIEing
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:35am
  - pdm
    
    Is it only United or is it all American Airlines?
    
    If it is only United then there is an easy fix – do not fly United.
    
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    March 5, 2023 9:17am
    - Paulus
      
      Can’t believe it is only United though.
      Need evidence !
      
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      March 5, 2023 10:49am
- Nickc2
  
  It’s a great pity we don’t have Parliamentary Simulators for those who want to qualify as Politicians.
  No matter how many attempts were made, I’m sure none of our current mob could ever find the centerline without seeking assistance from Consultants.
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    How would Jaspinda go with her constant diversions?
    
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    March 5, 2023 9:11am
- Caine9
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  The fact that an airline (clearly NOT Air New Zealand) made a decision you don’t like, combined with an issue on a flight you also don’t have all the facts on, is no excuse for your homophobic rant.
  Gee! I thought the world had moved on from that crap.
  To suggest that any airline would deliberately compromise safety for any reason is ludicrous, as is the notion that gay people aren’t safe in charge of an aircraft.
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:54am
  - info@cruzpro.com
    
    An airline doesn’t have to deliberately compromise safety. They can compromise safety unintentionally trying to please some woke segment of the population.
    
    If an airline actually has safety as a paramount objective they would only hire and place the most qualified people, not select people based on their sexual preferences.
    
    Even selecting the most qualified gay people reduces the talent pool.
    
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    March 5, 2023 9:41am
  - Dr John
    
    Caine: look at this video for your answer
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBzc0xoUDKg
    
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    March 5, 2023 9:54am
  - David Garrett
    
    Caine: I suggest you actually READ the post again. I say there are a plethora of facts in Scott’s piece to give anyone with half a brain considerable disquiet.
    
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    March 5, 2023 10:07am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      DG – don’t bother. Caine is clearly woke therfore everything they don’t like will be either racist, transphobic, homophobic, misogynistic or any of the other “offences” currently being taken by these entitled clowns.
      
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      March 5, 2023 10:31am
  - wilderbeast
    
    [Mod – deleted]. When will you be happy – when a full airliner goes down in a ritual sacrifice at the altar of LGBTI+…?
    
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    March 5, 2023 11:06am
  - Ghost
    
    Air NZ had a special flight to the pride parade as well. They also had a special Māori only crew flight to Te Matatini
    
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    March 5, 2023 11:13am
    - ISeeRed
      
      No doubt Luxon highly approved.
      
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      March 5, 2023 3:51pm
  - bjools
    
    a couple of points
    1. I am not the slightest bit afraid of homosexuals. instead I believe there are only 2 types of people in this world..[Mod – abusive, deleted]
    2. In this world culture of health and safety…I want a crew, regardless of any other trait, to be competent, trained and have a commitment to their job.
    
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    March 5, 2023 12:51pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  Division
  Exclusion
  Intolerance
  
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  March 5, 2023 9:09am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  Air NZ proudly paints its plane to the Sydney gayfest pink, so they’re well & truly on board.
  
  Having said that, they’d be pushing DIE if they insisted on male cabin crew staff being heterosexual in proportion to the general population. Imagine the furore – Air NZ refuses to recruit gay male cabin crew in the interests of diversity!
  
  Not that I actually care. Competence & integrity are all that I seek, in all walks of life.
  
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  March 5, 2023 9:24am
  - Paulus
    
    Years ago Qantas employed a large number of Gay Cabin men, and they were excellent from what I saw of them t the time.
    Not so many now ?
    
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    March 5, 2023 10:52am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      QANTAS:
      Queers And Nymphomaniacs Training As Stewards
      
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      March 5, 2023 11:04am
- lastmanstanding
  
  The Cult of Climate Change (CCC) continues. It is a religious cult with the hallmarks. It predicts the end of the planet unless its policies are implemented. It labels those who wish to engage in reasoned debate Deniers.
  It ignores the fact that cheap reliable energy has raised living standards in the West. China is currently building over 100 coal fired power stations India likewise. African countries will want to do the same to lift the living standards of their people.
  Yet the CCC will see the poor get poorer the rich get richer and those in the middle join the poor. The only winners will be Governments and rich elites. Governments will be able to better control an improvished population and the rich elites will have a source of cheap labour.
  
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  March 5, 2023 9:26am
  - All_on_Red
    
    The Worlds population is starting to decrease already- especially in industrialised countries, which means our emissions are going to drop anyway.
    We probably need to do nothing.
    
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    March 5, 2023 9:55am
    - thirteenstars
      
      Capitalism results in reduced population because the productivity of each worker increases due to investment in technology. That is, industrialisation raises living standards, increases health outcomes, empowers women especially, which results in a decrease in children born for a variety of reasons, that is, children become a choice not a necessity or an accident.
      
      Over time population decreases but wealth grows. Capitalism is the greatest force for “saving the planet” that has ever been invented. The Greens hate capitalism**. That should reveal their real motives.
      
      **Some in the Net Zero National Party ain’t too keen on it, either.
      
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      March 5, 2023 12:27pm
      - kiwikidsnz
        
        I understand that birth rate decreases are true for the developed world since women’s education, right plus the pill & abortion became more available from 1970s however the general improvement of global living stds resulting from the ~70 years of capitalism from WW2 has seen the global population treble in that same period.
        
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        March 5, 2023 5:27pm
      - thirteenstars
        
        “~70 years of capitalism from WW2 has seen the global population treble in that same period.”
        
        Not in the mature capitalist economies, which is what my comment relates to. Most such countries think their declining birthrates are a problem. They are not. That concern is based on the flawed idea that a growing population is necessary for a growing economy. It’s not.
        
        From the early 19th century to the late 20th century, populations in these countries grew enormously as agricultural and industrial revolutions allowed people, especially children, to live better, healthier lives, and indeed with the growth in birth control and the emancipation of women from the constraints of motherhood, birth rates have declined, and thus populations have.
        
        People in under-developed parts of the world tend to breed like flies when the conditions are suitable but suffer huge death tolls and miseries when natural disasters and famines strike. When I was a kid there was a never-ending series of such disasters, in Asia, Africa and particularly in the subcontinent. Nature is cruel to people that lack industrialisation and the sustaining wealth that it brings.
        
        But since as late as the 80s, these disasters have had less of an impact as these parts of the world get wealthier and wiser.
        
        Thanks to capitalism.
        
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        March 5, 2023 6:30pm
- David Garrett
  
  Scott: This is going to lead to a blizzard of down ticking…but my ideal flight crew is both men, both well over 30 (race isn’t relevant). I am comfortable if one of the pilots is female.
  
  I am not at all comfortable when there are two women at the pointy end, and here’s one reason why.
  
  Those with reasonably long memories with recall the utter distruction of the career of a fellow called Alasdair Thompson, long the head of the Employers Federation. Back in 2011 the poor fellow foolishly made this observation in an interview regarding pay equity:
  
  “Look at who takes the most sick leave. Women do, in general, why? Because once a month they have sick problems. Not all women, but some do they have children they have to take time off to go home and take leave of.
  
  He said that in an interview with a shrew called Long-Maori-Name Forbes, who had left the camera on when the fool assumed it was off.
  
  Fast forward ten years, and it is now a human rights issue that some women have very heavy/painful periods, and enlightened employers are supposed to recognise that and offer extra “menstruation sick leave” – paid of course – for those women who need it.
  
  There are ads for “period panties” so some of these unfortunate women can continue to work during their periods and not risk embarrassing “accidents” at work – or elsewhere. In other words it is now recognised that menstruation is very – well – diverse – for some women it’s no problem, for others it can be debilitating.
  
  If Mr Thompson is still alive he must be absolutely spewing.
  
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  March 5, 2023 10:05am
  - jonno1
    
    Alive and thriving, albeit retired (ca 75). Heavily involved in charity work. Can be blunt, but with a heart of gold.
    
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    March 5, 2023 3:26pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    Mr Thompson is still very much alive. I interact with him regularly on social media.
    
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    March 5, 2023 3:29pm
    - David Garrett
      
      Tony: If that is so, please draw his attention to my comment above…he might appreciate that some people feel he suffered a grave in justice on the altar of what was then political correctness…(woke having yet to be invented)
      
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      March 5, 2023 4:15pm
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    David, about pilots, I don’t think you should be worrying about 2 women flying the plane. I have long studied the causes of air accidents and near misses (just as a hobby). Pilot error has long been the major cause of accidents (although flying is safer than ever). Complacency and arrogance are the main causes. Also in some cultures (Egypt, Korea, and Pakistan are great examples), the hierarchy means that the First Officer will sometimes not speak up when the Captain makes a mistake. There have been cases of the First Officer just sitting there watching the Captain fly the plane into a mountain because he was too intimidated to do something.
    
    So stop worrying about menstruating women flying you. 🙂
    
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    March 5, 2023 4:41pm
    - Widogast Corwin
      
      Addendum.
      
      Pilots are required to have regular medicals to keep their licence. These are not done by the local GP. They are conducted by Aviation Medical Examiners and they are very, very, thorough.
      
      https://www.aviation.govt.nz/licensing-and-certification/medical-certification/nz-medical-examiners/show/0001-3000
      
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      March 5, 2023 4:44pm
      - NeverMindTheBollocks
        
        But are they as thorough as they were pre-covid?
        
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        March 5, 2023 4:57pm
      - Rex
        
        Totally agree. Garrrett’s comments are truly appalling.
        
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        March 5, 2023 5:00pm
    - David Garrett
      
      Wido: Be totally honest (you are using a pseud so your views will remain secret)
      
      Theoretically, you know that two menstruating women are flying a plane…one has debilitating periods, and usually manages to avoid flying during them. (We know some women have debilitating periods, because the feminists and the woke now inform us that special leave should be available for such unfortunates)
      
      Would you really be totally unconcerned on that flight? If so you are a braver man than me.
      
      Rex: Ah petal…”truly appalling” is what paedos do to children as young as two…or what German doctors did to people of all ages in medical experiments in WW II…or what the Japanese did to “comfort women” during the same conflict.
      
      Grow up sonny.
      
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      March 5, 2023 5:14pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Widogast Corwin: “David, about pilots, I don’t think you should be worrying about 2 women flying the plane. I have long studied the causes of air accidents and near misses (just as a hobby). Pilot error has long been the major cause of accidents (although flying is safer than ever). Complacency and arrogance are the main causes.”
      
      I’d be more worried about some “you go girl” type with a massively inflated ego flying the plane. As you said, a great deal of accidents are caused by the complacency of arrogance. We’ve seen what happens when you put one of these types in charge of a country.
      
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      March 5, 2023 5:14pm
- Suze Wainwright
  
  I’m just happy that this year’s Wellington Pride festivities should be particularly poignant for queer Maori.
  
  Not only should the Maori LGBTIQA+ be satisfied, but there is special inclusion of other BBIPOC and MVPFAFF as well…
  
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  March 5, 2023 10:27am
  - Suze Wainwright
    
    And Richard Dawkins is a neocolonial, irrational, grumpy old racist white man
    
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    March 5, 2023 10:29am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    The alphabet soup brigade strikes again.
    
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    March 5, 2023 11:07am
  - David Garrett
    
    Suze: I’m thinking of organizing a “Pride to be Short” march…participants would have be a maximum height of 5′ 9″ and Little People would have – ah – pride of place at the head of the March.
    
    I am currently living overseas, but I would definitely have to come back for that event. Please do keep an eye out and let me know if such an event was ever on the cards.
    
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    March 5, 2023 11:46am
    - Suze Wainwright
      
      Come back when you’ve established an activist organization with suitable acronym and members’ personal pronouns
      
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      March 5, 2023 12:06pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Suze: I currently live in Tonga…I get much amusement out of the arrival card there, which has only two options for “gender”, male and female.
        
        And this in a country in which fakaleties or in English “he-she’s” are nopt only quite common but very much tolerated.
        
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        March 5, 2023 1:48pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      I’d join you in a shot, David, but I’m not cutting off 3” for anyone!
      
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      March 5, 2023 12:59pm
- Ghost
  
  It was a special flight to the pride parade, a one off
  
  https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/united-and-virgin-australia-to-celebrate-lgbtq-pride-on-flight-from-san-francisco-to-sydney-301753181.html
  
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  March 5, 2023 10:53am
  - pdm
    
    `It was a special flight to the pride parade, a one off’.
    
    I assume that refers to the `pink coloured Air NZ Plane’.
    
    After the return flight will they return the plane to hits normal colours or maybe keep it in store until next years parade.
    
    Neither option seems good business practice or makes economic sense to me.
    
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    March 5, 2023 11:40am
    - Ghost
      
      No it refers to the United Airlines pride flight, pretty sure that was obvious with the link to the story about it. Got a link to this pink plane? Or do you just mean the pride flight air nz does calling it a pink flight?
      
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      March 5, 2023 11:49am
- wilderbeast
  
  Alarming but not surprising. We have been joking privately in this household for sometime about the inevitable impact of distracted wokeness on airlines – because we fly quite a lot. It’s the classic circumstantial clash of ideology versus safety is it not?! I recently flew Air NZ and was in the front row. Was fully exposed to the ramblings of a rabidly, camp “look at me” male steward. The icing on the cake was him hand picking a young boy to hand out the lollies and dressing him in a hostesses garb (pink scarf etc) for full effect. It was stomach churning and I wondered what was being missed whilst all this nonsense was going on.
  
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  March 5, 2023 11:03am
  - Steve Todd
    
    Your comment is an irrelevant response to Scott’s comment.
    
    We have been joking privately in this household for sometime about the inevitable impact of distracted wokeness on airlines – […].
    
    Oh, have you, wilderbeast? How amusing that must be for your household. And what did “we” conclude? You didn’t say.
    
    It’s the classic circumstantial clash of ideology versus safety is it not?!
    
    No, it is not! How did the “stomach churning” actions of the “camp ‘look at me’ male steward” on your flight compromise the safety of that flight? Again, you didn’t say. The answer is, it didn’t, did it?
    
    So, what are we to conclude about you and your “household”? Well, the answer to that one is clear for all to see, isn’t it?
    
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    March 5, 2023 12:41pm
- gravedodger
  
  It is actually DEI, clearly someone foresaw the irony potential in creating the acronym.
  
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  March 5, 2023 11:16am
- Master Mariner
  
  Thats why top airlines and shipping companies pychometric test pilots etc.
  
  And ill always maintain politicians should be as well otherwise you get alteria mandates to whats been promised.
  
  Unsurprisingly rainbow and religious personalities do not rate on pychometric test for pilot.
  
  Anyone interested, Think no more than Captain Sully landing the plane in the Hudson.
  Phenominal achievement under pressure.
  
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  March 5, 2023 12:23pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Emirates and Etihad will be getting my business. Pretty sure they don’t tolerate this clown-world stuff.
  
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  March 5, 2023 1:45pm
- Widogast Corwin
  
  In the last two months, there have been three high profile near misses in the USA. One is the one you mentioned in Hawaii. The other two were caused by Air Traffic Control.
  
  During the pandemic when air travel crashed, many pilots 50+ took early retirement. Now air travel is rebounding there is a shortage of experienced pilots.
  
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  March 5, 2023 4:49pm
- Scooter
  
  I think there are gay cruises so whatever floats your boat, so to speak.
  
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  March 5, 2023 7:15pm
Matt Long

Earlier G made the Comment that Muller has promised there would be no reduction in production in New Zealand due to his radical Climate Crises policies.
What G has missed is that by appointing a “True Believer” to the Climate Change portfolio Luxon is already costing New Zealand productive investment and production now and into the future.
Prudent investors consider political trends before putting their capital and time into producing things and right now National’s radical wetness is a giant red flag.
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March 5, 2023 8:02am
- Janabelle
  
  Muller is in wrong party, he has already wrecked the National Party once and I worry he will do it again unless he stands by his earlier decision to resign at this election – that would be best for National Party
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:14am
  - septic skeptic
    
    I don’t think he will be resigning. That Luxon has him ear-marked for ministerial roles is a clue to Luxon’s judgement, or agenda (or both).
    
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    March 5, 2023 9:01am
- Matt Long
  
  Compare Steve Cranston from Democracy NZ, a measured scientific approach with Luxon’s Chicken Licken “Climate Change caused the cyclone” approach.
  https://m.facebook.com/100087431546473/
  I can’t figure out how to link to the video sorry
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:16am
  - Matt Long
    
    The crux of the video is that cyclones are in fact forecast to hit New Zealand less but rainfall may be heavier based on low confidence models.
    Coupled with Ian Wishart’s digging up a series of much worse storms from the late 1800s Luxon looks more and more like a woke joke.
    
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    March 5, 2023 8:20am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Wishart does have form for digging up scandals – I guess the Winebox 40-odd years ago was his magnum opus – AFAIK his revelations never seem to precipitate anything much. Probably another MSM conspiracy …. 🙂
      
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      December 5, 2022 11:52am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Ian Wishart? Well, of course, he is a well known scientist. One should implicitly trust him.
      
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      March 5, 2023 8:41am
      - kowtow
        
        In the same way our betters from the Elites now enjoin us to trust Maori “science”?
        
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        March 5, 2023 8:49am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        He is a rarer species, known as an investigative journalist. Almost completely superseded now by activist journalists.
        
        Anyway, an investigative journalist is very skilled at researching and digging up information. In this case old weather data.
        
        Wayne, now you’ve done your hit job on Ian can you respond to Matt’s point and tell us what it is about his weather data that you disagree with?
        
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        March 5, 2023 8:49am
      - hmmokrightitis
        
        Idiot. Adhom attacks should be beneath you Mr Mapp, but clearly not.
        
        Look to the evidence, not your inbuilt and unexamined prejudices.
        
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        March 5, 2023 8:50am
      - Matt Long
        
        One, of course, should only trust politicians Wayne, and investigative journalists should not look up historic scientific date that is contrary to The Narrative.
        
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        March 5, 2023 8:52am
      - Spam
        
        Well, the media peddling that East Coast flooding and cyclone were caused by climate change aren’t bothering with pesky things like what the IPCC says…
        
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        March 5, 2023 8:53am
      - Cassandra
        
        Ball, not man, Wayne. Lots of scientists do not accept the doom scenario. Lots more advocate adaptation, on the grounds that NZ cannot change anything. Pragmatism, not ideology.
        
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        March 5, 2023 8:55am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Righto Wayne. I get it; you subscribe to the “We will be your sole source of truth” model of governance. Jawhol!!
        
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        March 5, 2023 8:57am
      - emmess
        
        Well the so-called ‘scientific institution’ NIWA isn’t doing science, they are not vigorously testing and retesting a hypothesis to find the truth, they are just doing all they can to support a political agenda.
        
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        March 5, 2023 8:57am
      - igm
        
        I would place my trust in Wishart in preference to the woke Luxon. Best he stick to his te reo, that being his limit.
        
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        March 5, 2023 9:00am
      - Simon
        
        If Greta turned up the National party would grovel before her.
        
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        March 5, 2023 9:12am
      - Chris Nisbet
        
        Are you suggesting he’s making things up? Give an example of one of his pork pies from this document he’s produced.
        
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        March 5, 2023 9:18am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        Matt,
        I was suggesting that the actual scientists in the areas of metrology and climate science might be somewhat more informed than Ian Wishart.
        I didn’t mention politicians.
        
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        March 5, 2023 9:25am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Wasn’t the source of Wishart’s research actual Newspaper articles from the 1800’s reporting on the events?
        All he did was collate it and show copies of the articles.
        Seems pretty good proof.
        
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        March 5, 2023 9:59am
      - Matt Long
        
        Wayne, I suspect you didn’t read the article but went straight to discrediting the source, right?
        Thank you for strengthening my argument, I appreciate it. ,☺️
        
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        March 5, 2023 10:12am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Wayne – did you trust the proven liars who directed the response to covid?
        Did you believe Michael Baker when he said masks don’t work then changed his mind without any new evidence and said they do?
        
        I’m guessing you believed him when he lied on live radio and denied having ever said that masks don’t work?
        
        Did you believe Medsafe when they said this experiment was safe and effective?
        
        Did you believe Ardern when she said the jabs would stop transmission?
        
        If you answered yes to any of these you’re a gullible fool.
        
        And BTW, play the ball, not the man. We’ve had 3 years of incessant ad hominem and smears by clowns like you when they couldn’t actually argue their corner rationally.
        We recognize it instantly. Hence your rapid down tick to oblivion.
        
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        March 5, 2023 10:40am
      - Chris Nisbet
        
        @Matt – I think Wayne is suggesting we’d be better off listening to the likes of Lindzen, Happer, Curry, Tim Ball (deceased), Chris Landsea, Ridd, … – People who know what they’re talking about wrt climate.
        Still, I don’t really know if they’re much good at researching old news articles and suchlike, which is what Ian was up to.
        
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        March 5, 2023 12:09pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        These days one needs a finely tuned BS detector when receiving “The Science™️”
        
        There a number of runaway narratives that long ago wandered off the scientific reservation into trojan-horse mass hysteria movements.
        
        When you see the far left going batshit crazy over something and claiming something is “settled truth and do not even think about questioning it” that’s a sure sign there is a fair amount of BS and dumb blind belief injected into the narrative. It means there’s one or more rats there, so start a deep dig on where it all came from!
        
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        March 5, 2023 1:53pm
      - coge
        
        This is recorded historical scientific data, Wayne. To deny the existence of these well recorded events, is the act of a simpleton.
        
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        March 5, 2023 6:00pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Wayne,
        
        NIWA have been asked about the missing storms from the 1800’s and their answer is that their database is a work in progress. In other words, they have not said that Wishart is wrong, but instead have implied that they haven’t got around to entering the storms that Wishart found.
        
        There’s an audio somewhere of an interview with a NIWA guy (could have been on The Country) from a couple of days ago where he admits the above. Can’t find it, but here is Phillip Duncan from Weather Watch talking to Sean Plunket about it:
        
        YouTube Video: Weather Watch’s Phillip Duncan on the missing data from NIWA’s storm database
        
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        March 5, 2023 6:05pm
      - Matt Long
        
        Maria, and then one wonders just why Wishart knew to look for historical storms. Did a little Birdy tell him?
        
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        March 5, 2023 6:29pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    Matt, As always stated.
    NIWA are just an offshoot of NOAA and the promotion of Climate change hysteria.
    Through the Climate change lens, They have missed serious and obvious data, And by my own estimation are responsible for the lack of forwarnings.
    
    If I based all my Passage Plans on NIWA information , I would be very foolish to do so and probably not be in my job very long.
    
    Thank god I understand Meteorology.
    Metservice are far better source.
    However NIWA have the monopoly over Data, And not forth coming in making it open source, As it should be.
    By doing so, They have put lives and livelyhoods in severe danger.
    
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    March 5, 2023 10:09am
- Dougal10
  
  100% correct, having Muller still standing in his seat this election is the second big mistake as it sending the woke green signal loud and clear.
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:16am
  - Matt Long
    
    Muller was at the Northland Feildays alienating voters.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/Infideliter2022/status/1631724804062720000
    
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    March 5, 2023 8:54am
    - Allan
      
      From what I have heard so far it would seem that the only person with sound sensible policies that will help rather than hinder the people of Northland is Matt King of the Democracy NZ Party.
      
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      March 5, 2023 5:23pm
  - My
    
    Yes Act work hard on getting a decent candidate in BOP. Go e us am electorate option.
    
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    March 5, 2023 9:40am
- kowtow
  
  Same with the egregious attack , Captain’s Call ,on oil and gas . A serious signal to the markets that we’re not open for business .
  
  Now the Nats joining the game .
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:23am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  No I never said that at all, I said dropping emissions will be done through science, not banning shit, FFS they want to bring oil and gas back, if you are going to mention me when I have not posted on this platform today, then get ya facts straight
  
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  March 5, 2023 9:57am
  - Matt Long
    
    “G the giant from Dunedin
    Why? He has stated that cutting emissions must not come at a cost to food producers
    
    Thumb up 3 Thumb down 3REPLY REPORTJANUARY 19, 2023 2:56PM”
    I planned to expand on this at the time, but events were overtaken by a minor leadership reshuffle announcement by the Labour Party.
    
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    March 5, 2023 11:13am
    - Matt Long
      
      My reply at the time:
      Dear G, sometimes people say things they may not strictly believe to be true to gain an advantage for themselves. They may claim to hold two positions that are completely incompatible . Others just spout nonsense because they don’t know any better, or to bamboozle the masses.
      These people typically belong to occupations like sales, journalism, or politics, be very careful not to trust these people with anything you hold dear.
      
      Thumb up 6 Thumb down 0 REPORTJANUARY 19, 2023 4:05PM
      
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      March 5, 2023 11:15am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      That was the agri part, and I said that months ago, where is this wrong? Farmers them self want to contribute to emissions, they work with this rotten government and had an agreement, but the liar Ardern dropped a lot out, so farmers want this, as for on farm emissions they have stated we can lower this by scientific measures, there are already several grasses that cut emissions by a considerable amount, this government will not give these farmers credit.
      
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      March 5, 2023 11:50am
      - Matt Long
        
        Don’t confuse the HWEN outcome with what farmer’s want. There’s a lot of I’ll feeling towards levy funded representatives on that group.
        The CEO of Dairy NZ has already resigned and I would expect a clean out in the Beef and Lamb elections coming up.
        
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        March 5, 2023 3:10pm
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    “FFS they want to bring oil and gas back”
    
    What does that even mean? I can assure you that oil and gas exploration is never coming back to New Zealand.
    
    “dropping emissions will be done through science”
    
    What does that mean? Are you actually saying that agricultural emissions can be reduced in New Zealand at no cost to farm output and return on capital?
    
    You can’t just keep throwing around buzz words on such a critical issue.
    
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    March 5, 2023 11:47am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      [Mod – if you don’t calm your posts down my next action will be giving you a weeks ban]
      
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      March 5, 2023 11:51am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  “Muller has promised there would be no reduction in production in New Zealand due to his radical Climate Crises policies.”
  
  In that case, he will not be able to reduce agricultural emissions. Simple as that.
  
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  March 5, 2023 4:50pm
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    Just to clarify – we have been in this circus for 20 years in New Zealand. Muller thinks he can reduce agricultural emissions without it costing production and/or farm returns.
    
    At least James Shaw is (mostly) honest about his policies.
    
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    March 5, 2023 4:59pm
GBC

Richard Dawkins argues while there are aspects of mātauranga that can be included in Science the mystical nonsense should not. Of course that leads to the normal ‘racist coloniser’ comeback.

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/science/elon-musk-richard-dawkins-criticism-of-matauranga-maori-in-schools-faces-backlash-from-kiwi-researcher/
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March 5, 2023 8:07am
- Clyde
  
  Some questions that needs to be answered.
  
  Did the media seek out this McAllister woman or did she approach the media? Where is this “ecologist” teaching? Where are her proofs (you know, the standard science) behind her racial crap? Why does the media publish the views of racist “scientists”?
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:39am
  - Cinematic
    
    Note they use the word ‘Researcher’ as distinct from ‘Scientist’.
    
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    March 5, 2023 8:57am
  - Cassandra
    
    I’m sure Wayne Mapp will provide all the answers.
    
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    March 5, 2023 8:57am
- slightlyrighty
  
  I agree with Dawkins that there will be elements of any knowledge that can and do have scientific merits, once they have been examined according to agreed scientific practice.
  
  What I also agree with Dawkins on is that giving all Mataunga Maori equal status with science is ludicrous.
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:39am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    If Mātauranga Māori offers valuable scientific insights, wouldn’t other countries be including it in their science teaching?
    
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    March 5, 2023 10:14am
- septic skeptic
  
  Her rebuttal was very convincing though – 5 x “racist” + 1 “white supremacy”.
  
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  March 5, 2023 9:10am
G152

Evidently its okay to do the throat slitting movement at the beginning of the game in the haka but not at the end after the whistle
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March 5, 2023 8:11am
- Clyde
  
  Just another display of tribal culture really.
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:42am
- Paulus
  
  Media mountain out of a mole hill – tight game and emotions get high – so what !
  
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  March 5, 2023 1:11pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    No “micro-aggressions” to be found there?
    
    They fit into the lefty-invented identity based victim-hood hierarchy so get a free pass?
    
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    March 5, 2023 2:09pm
Tomtoddy

Science, as a discipline is buggered. It is corrupted, increasingly valueless and the world is poorer for its now rapid deterioration. Once the basic principles of testing ideas and hypotheses with evidence and observation was the solid cornerstone that underpinned science. There are no ‘facts’ just theories that wait to be proven wrong by the next step in progress.

Now science is heavily politicised. It is riddled with agendas. It dances to the tune of big dollars and is dominated by inflated egos. It is used and abused.

Poor old Richard Dawkins tried bringing some common sense to the debate about so called Māori science. I don’t hold any candles for Dawkins but his comment that mātauranga in science classes is “ludicrous” is timely and hard to refute. He went on to say the changes to the curriculum were “adolescent virtue-signalling”. He criticised mātauranga as “vitalism” where students would be “confused by the doctrine that all life throbs with a vital force conferred by the Earth Mother and Sky Father”. It provided “valuable tips on edible fungi, star navigation and species conservation” before adding, “pity the moas were all eaten”.

Of course, it drew the standard response – “you are a racist”. Dr Tara McAllister responded, “It is boring, embarrassing, inaccurate and full of racist tropes. It is clear Richard Dawkins has no expertise on mātauranga.”

She went on displaying her real agenda and prejudice…. “Dawkins’ comments are, however, a great example of how clearly white supremacy is ingrained in Western sciences globally, and how colonising scientists continue to attempt to undermine the global resurgence of indigenous knowledge, which I will incorporate into my teaching and research”.

There is no such thing as “Western” science unless you are bigoted, blighted, attention seeking and virtue signalling. As for the “white supremacy” – what an evil insult to the greats of the past – Rutherford, Einstein, Tesla, et al.
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March 5, 2023 8:19am
- Nickc2
  
  Unfortunately, that’s life in NZ today. Criticise anything Maori and one is immediately labeled ‘racist’.
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:31am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Not just Maori. I get called ‘racist’ for wearing a MAGA hat and a Trump 2024 tee shirt. There are some truly dumb people around, and they all vote fucking Labour.
    Like my pronoun?
    
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    March 5, 2023 9:21am
    - Sideoiler
      
      …… There are some truly dumb people around, and they all vote fucking Labour.
      Like my pronoun?
      
      Problem today is these same people also vote for Luxons labour party.
      
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      March 5, 2023 10:43am
- kowtow
  
  Clearly the Whoreald is comfortable with it all .
  
  Te Media Pardy are cheer leaders for this nonsense.
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:33am
- Cinematic
  
  Low IQ Kiwi researchers responding with pointless mumbo jumbo, not worth paying the slightest attention to.
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:39am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  An idiot determined to incorporate b.s. into her”research” and of course then have it respectfully reported by our moronic MSM.
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:39am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  Spot on. I would so much like any of these advocates to make a case for the inclusion of Maori “science”. However as soon as they shout “racist” I know they are full of shit.
  
  To be clear, indigenous knowledge is NOT science. For example Maori figured out that the sap of certain ferns alleviated skin irritation, insect bites etc. No surprise. This discovery was by pure chance. They had no understanding of the pharmacological underpinnings of the substance and why it alleviated pain. There was no way to develop this discovery.
  
  It is astounding that in a modern Western country we are even having this discussion. I am angry that the children of this country are being exposed to this nonsense.
  
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  March 5, 2023 10:07am
- Blog-aholic
  
  Two things.
  1. Dawkins doesn’t refer to it as western science as it is not solely from the west….
  2. She refers to Matauranga not as science but as knowledge…. enough said.
  
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  March 5, 2023 11:07am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  I could listen to Dawkins all day:
  
  “Science classes are to be taught that Māori ‘Ways of Knowing’ (Mātauranga Māori) have equal standing with ‘western’ science. Not surprisingly, this adolescent virtue-signalling horrified New Zealand’s grown-up scientists and scholars……
  
  ….Citing the legacy of Ernest Rutherford, the greatest experimental physicist since Faraday, I begged my audiences to reach out to their MPs in support of New Zealand science. The true reason science is more than an origin myth is that it stands on evidence: massively documented evidence, double blind trials, peer review, quantitative predictions precisely verified in labs around the world. Science reads the billion-word DNA book of life itself. Science eradicates smallpox and polio. Science navigates to Pluto or a tiny comet. Science almost certainly saved your life. Science works.”
  
  https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-im-sticking-up-for-science/
  
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  March 5, 2023 11:36am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    The scientific method would correctly predict climate (or admit it’s not yet possible). Alarmists continually make wrong predictions and do not admit their models/hypotheses are therefore based on faulty/deficient assumptions!
    
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    March 5, 2023 2:17pm
Nukuleka

A 14 and a 17 year old arrested for the Beach Haven stabbing. My heart aches for the victim, his family, those who comforted him as he died in their arms, and New Zealand. How could such evil crimes be happening in our beautiful country?
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March 5, 2023 8:20am
- dubya
  
  Very sad, I’m a Beach Haven resident, it is generally a lovely place to live – walk across the road to swim at Charcoal Bay, amazing views, bush walks galore. Sadly, quite a few issues emanating from the multi storey Kainga Ora projects foisted upon us down the far end, and there was a LOT of intimidating motorcycle revving last night, so will not be surprised if these children have ‘connections’. This crime is another malignent consequence of welfare excess, I’ll guess.
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:28am
  - David Garrett
    
    dubya: the perps will both have “connections”…I’ll bet the farm on it
    
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    March 5, 2023 10:13am
  - Paulus
    
    Where do these children get and carry knives capable of killing from ?
    And understand how to use them to kill.
    
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    March 5, 2023 1:13pm
- igm
  
  Who owned the 530D? Hardly the car young scrotes would be driving; bet it was stolen.
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:29am
  - rouppe
    
    If it were stolen they wouldn’t have cared that it got dented.
    
    No, proceeds of ram raids…
    
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    March 5, 2023 8:46am
    - Scooter
      
      I thought the same, also would be interested to see the identity of the victim, apparently described at 20-30, I suspect possibly Asian. If so will media cover this as a hate/race crime?
      
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      March 5, 2023 9:53am
  - Cassandra
    
    Probably but also possible the owner has a patch.
    
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    March 5, 2023 9:00am
  - dubya
    
    The BMW was older than the drivers, and probably had the check engine light on. But, if only buying an aging European car was the worst life choice those kids had made.
    
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    March 5, 2023 9:00am
  - Colville
    
    it did look like it had been painted with a spray can.
    
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    March 5, 2023 9:04am
  - Tommo
    
    Worth less than a corolla of the same age
    
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    March 5, 2023 9:54am
- Opie
  
  Simple. You stop punishing criminals so they know they will get a slap on the wrist worst case, make the cost of living so high that they lose all motivation coupled with a failed education system that noone attends.
  
  Then… you tell people that feel disheartened that it’s all someone else’s fault that they feel like this and that their way of life has been disrupted.
  
  The result? A generation of poor dumb kids that have a chip on their shoulder and are looking for a fight.
  
  I don’t even know the details of this specific event but can’t imagine I’m far off.
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:33am
- Clyde
  
  Simple. Incompetent uncaring parenting, out of control kids, a societal attitude of soft on crime. No consequences for actions. And a willingness to blame everything else for your own choices and actions.
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:41am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Decades of welfare bludging by a useless uneducated subculture.
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:41am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Welfare has now become a ‘right’ instead of a hand “up”
    
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    March 5, 2023 9:27am
- Cinematic
  
  Check out Chicago to find out how any place come become a violent crime ridden shit hole with the right sort of ‘leadership’.
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:41am
  - Paulus
    
    Chicago leading crime goes back even further than the Senator for Illionois in the Clinton Government – one Barack Obama.
    Not changed by recent information -possibly worse.
    
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    March 5, 2023 1:17pm
- rouppe
  
  This is a direct consequence of ram raids having no consequence.
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:45am
- Scooter
  
  That NZ is beautiful is a myth. Maybe geographically but NZ society is in deep trouble. What sick upbringing did these 2 yoofs have that they can stab a person like that. About time parents are held accountable for their children’s crimes.
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:47am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    I advise people to stay well away feral hotspots if visiting NZ.
    
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    March 5, 2023 2:23pm
- CJames
  
  There is a lot of things about the event that weren’t reported that usually are. The car had a 17 year old driver. Was it his or stolen? Fleeing to the Far North – how did they get there? Gang affiliations? Known to police or OT? No record of schooling?
  I suspect a lot will come out in the next week or so, but I would wager this will just depressingly be another one of the lost generation Maori children cases. All so the liberal elites can tut tut about more bad colonialism.
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:51am
  - dubya
    
    Car doesn’t come up as stolen when the registration is checked on Carjam. Probably wouldn’t have located the perps yet, if it was stolen.
    
    Wager these kids will get name suppression. But likely to be widely known within days anyway, social media is good like that.
    
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    March 5, 2023 9:23am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      If the car went to the far North the rego would be picked up by the toll cameras at the tunnels – unless they went through Orewa.
      
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      March 5, 2023 9:29am
      - dubya
        
        [Mod – please provide an article link when making statements about what was in the articles]
        
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        March 5, 2023 9:35am
      - dubya
        
        [Mod – then since the articles can’t be provided I’m going to ask that people respect the wishes of the family. If I can’t see what you are saying is factual I won’t approve it.
        
        “It is an open investigation, so it’s important the police do their thing and we ask that the media allow us to grieve privately.”]
        
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        March 5, 2023 10:02am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Nobody alive today was colonised. Nobody alive today did any colonising. People need to snap out of their trance and stop being hoodwinked by this Goebbelesque over and over and over repeated lie.
    
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    March 5, 2023 2:27pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nobody should be blamed for their ancestors actions.
      
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      March 5, 2023 3:02pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Yep. Many people now in NZ didn’t have ancestors around at the time of English colonisation. As you say, even if they did that’s got nothing to do with them.
        
        We all share the good and bad fallout from colonisation, regardless of our heritage. I’m thinking given the pre-colonisation living conditions and leadership climate, colonisation was overwhelmingly a net good for everyone.
        
        Some people do not avail themselves of the opportunities right in front of them. That’s fine but ultimately the only person to blame for that is the one in the mirror!
        
        I think the most destructive force for those who think they are hard done by because of events over a century ago, is actually their appallingly self-destructive attitude to life. Perhaps education should include strong financial literacy and lessons on how to get ahead in life.
        
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        March 5, 2023 5:27pm
- oldpark
  
  @Nukuela 8.20am
  
  Could this atrocity be a for-runner running in conjunction with the Hipkins Government funded
  poem on the James Cook arrival and what to do with his descendants.
  Yes check out the murderous Poem financed and approved to the tune of $100,000 + by Labour Sycophants,or even worse one of Hipkins Government outlets .
  A person with name Tusiata Avia will be promoting it big time
  A very very worried friend is wanting answers why such a verbal racist attack on innocent NZs could be allowed in such a suggestive manner .
  
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  March 5, 2023 9:54am
  - Ehlana
    
    The Spinoff explains the poem concerned for those of us having trouble interpreting it.
    “This ending brings us back to the refrain: we’re gunna f*** you up for good, b****. It slaps with that humour, busts with force, with intention to keep on fighting.”
    Force, yes, intention, yes, humour, no. Using f*** a lot doesn’t make you funny (despite what many comedians appear to think). Referring to a man using a derogatory term for women manages to be both misogynstic and homophobic in one go.
    If the author of this had been a white person referring to non-white men, imagine the howls of outrage.
    
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    March 5, 2023 4:11pm
- Dr John
  
  I understand, Nuku, that these two stabbers are in the age range of those protesting on the streets on Friday, demanding the right to vote.
  How does that work?
  
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  March 5, 2023 10:08am
  - MCōs
    
    You really think those guys would be interested in voting?
    
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    March 5, 2023 11:26am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      I think the point was the younger you are, the more likely you are to be in psychological la la land and likely to think and do very stupid/dangerous things (IE less fit to vote).
      
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      March 5, 2023 2:30pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  But but but, crime is not on the rise, it’s all lies (sarc)
  
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  March 5, 2023 10:50am
Tony Stuart

Winston Peters tweeted the following in a graphic last night:

The PM and Andrew Coster can try and minimise it, but when people on the East Coast are so fearful they have to arm themselves the beltway bureaucrats in Wellington need to wake up to the fact that this is moving quickly to another level.

https://twitter.com/winstonpeters/status/1630725393291563008

Now Andrew Coster took over the role of Police Commissioner on 3 April 2020, after an appointment process. At the time, Winston Peters was in a coalition with Jacinda Ardern’s Labour Party, and as Deputy Prime Minister, he would certainly have been consulted on the appointment of Coster at the very least.

It seems that Peters is trying consciously to write himself out of the narrative of the Labour/NZ First government. Either that, or he has forgotten his involvement. Neither bodes well for a successful return to Parliament in 2023.
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March 5, 2023 8:25am
- Matt Long
  
  Whether Peters was involved in Coster’s appointment is irrelevant to criticism of his current conduct.
  If you employ a dud do you support them no matter what if they’re wrecking your business?
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:49am
  - septic skeptic
    
    True in itself, but the point is that Winston is the disease not the cure.
    
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    March 5, 2023 9:18am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Peters is the spike protein of the virus
      
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      March 5, 2023 10:54am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Why is this fool Peters always 3 weeks late, it was clear looting and lawlessness was huge the weekend of the cyclone
  
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  March 5, 2023 10:52am
ClanMcleod

Tragic, truly tragic.

As to your question. Refer it to the Labour/Gree/Maori coalition. This has occurred on their watch.

It has happened because of their ideologically driven policies under the stewardship of Ardern. The worst PM and government in history.

You re reap what you sow. God help this country.
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March 5, 2023 8:27am
- Cinematic
  
  Precisely, this government has projected a level of tolerance for flagrant crime no government previously has. The youth underbelly (upwards) have sensed this weakness and of course exploit it. It’s going to be very very difficult to reverse.
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:47am
Chuck Bird

Unfortunately, this is premium for those who cannot afford $0.55 a day. For those who can read it who is the bigot Jessie or her friend?

Jessie Gurunathan on friend falling down conspiracy anti-vax climate rabbit hole

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/jessie-gurunathan-on-coping-with-a-friend-falling-down-the-conspiracy-theory-rabbit-hole/BV7MJN2ARVHYZO2KOYHNEN6AYY/e
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March 5, 2023 8:41am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Why pay to read crap written by idiots?
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:44am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Some are idiots but some raise good points.
    
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    March 5, 2023 8:45am
    - kevn
      
      @Chuck… I enjoy Richard Prebble and Steven Joyces regular articles. There is enough content to be worth $2 per week.
      
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      March 5, 2023 9:22am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        How about Mike Hosking and Bruce Cotterill?
        Is that worth anther $2 per week?
        
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        March 5, 2023 10:25am
  - Matt Long
    
    More to the point, why support a business that spreads misinformation, a sopposed News organisation that collaborates with the government to manipulate public opinion on Climate change alarmism and COVID mandates?
    
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    March 5, 2023 9:02am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Exactly. 2 dollars a week is oxygen to a publication that bears a large proportion of the responsibility for the war on a substantial segment of innocent NZ citizens. I don’t say that lightly.
      If this was 1936 Germany the Whoreald would have been driving the trains to the camps. Liars and propagandists, not a journalist among them.
      I won’t read that post even if I could. The title is all I need to see to know it is utter bullshit.
      
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      March 6, 2023 8:18am
- kowtow
  
  The article is clearly a warning to all that if you’re a climate denier , transphobe , anti vaxxer well basically a “deplorable” or member of the river of filth then te media pardy will villify you publicly , very publicly.
  
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  March 5, 2023 8:58am
- emmess
  
  You couldn’t pay me 55 dollars a day to read that shit.
  Too poor to pay 55 cent a day, LOL
  
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  March 5, 2023 9:05am
- NZer In Exile
  
  They would need to pay me handsomely to read their toilet paper!
  
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  March 5, 2023 2:31pm
Matt Long

Thought I would look up Winston’s paywalled piece on the COVID slush fund on Twitter found a lot of statements about last year’s protests showing just how poorly our current parliamentaryians are acting, including Seymour’s weasel words.
https://mobile.twitter.com/winstonpeters/status/1631187785980993536
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March 5, 2023 8:47am
Yvette

Rob Campbell was, until this week, chair of the biggest New Zealand organisation of any kind, ever. The risk, if he compromised Te Whatu Ora’s integrity, was a significant one.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/explainer-is-health-chair-wrong-on-neutrality-or-are-the-rules-wrong

How did Rob Cambell’s appointment happen – has he only just started making comments on Internet forums or social media?
Has Labour in fact sought advice on firing this person, from the same ‘administration’ who hired him?
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March 5, 2023 8:49am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hipkins said this is not the first time he has been spoken too about neutrality, then he went missing
  
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  March 5, 2023 11:00am
rouppe

I found this analysis of the Rob Campbell situation interesting
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March 5, 2023 8:51am
- Mike
  
  Very interesting, thanks.
  It was always ambitious, probably over ambitious to launch such initiatives in the midst of the pandemic. The government got carried away with the 2017 election sweep and has pushed on with health, education, science, RMA and local government ‘reforms’.
  We should have learned by now that root and branch changes are very rarely successful.
  Very interesting too to see Powell’s version of a conflict between government ministers and the MoH on one side and the DHBs/Whatu Ora on the other.
  
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  March 5, 2023 10:40am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He was a Union thug, he was a high ranking offical in Labour, and he has been high ranking in Labour since the 80s
  
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  March 5, 2023 11:01am
  - Mike
    
    Please provide examples of this alleged thuggery.
    
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    March 5, 2023 11:17am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      [Mod – if you can’t back up an accusation then don’t make it]
      
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      March 5, 2023 11:54am
      - Mike
        
        It’s refreshing to see Kiwiblog commenters being adked to justify their slurs.
        
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        March 5, 2023 1:01pm
    - Paulus
      
      Mike
      BNZ Building in Wellington with Knox in the 1970s which took 8 years to sort out.
      
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      March 5, 2023 1:20pm
      - Mike
        
        And Rob Campbell’s association with that was?
        
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        March 5, 2023 3:06pm
      - MCōs
        
        Con Devit was the leader of the Boiler Makers Union whose members erected the steelwork on that site.
        It was a double edged sword, because no more steel high rise went up in Wellington for years after that fiasco.
        
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        March 5, 2023 6:22pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Unions are well known for intimidating those (“scabs”) who don’t follow their demands. It’s the MO of many unions.
    
    Those who pretend they don’t are just doing spiteful gaslighting.
    
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    March 5, 2023 2:34pm
    - Mike
      
      And your comments are well known for being devoid of facts.
      
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      March 5, 2023 3:07pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        I personally have been directly threatened by colleagues with violence (creepy nighttime phone calls of course) for simply taking too long (according to them) to join their union upon joining their workplace.
        
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        March 5, 2023 4:47pm
kowtow

In the UK their media are doing major coverage of the Covid response by their govt and the extreme lengths they went to to control the populace .

In Canada there’s the same concerns in the media over China interference in their Federal election.

Given our close ties to these fellow common law jurisdictions and members of 5 eyes etc I’m astounded ( not really) that our te media pardy is so silent on it .

Seeing as how the media obsessed over similar issues in similar countries when it suited them to .
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March 5, 2023 9:02am
3-coil

This week’s “School Strike 4 Climate” protest was a roaring success, according to my dear niece who we dined out with last night. She was front and centre at her march, and regaled me with a long list of what I/we should be doing to save the planet. I listed what I am already doing, and I asked what REAL sacrifices she makes. Blah, blah, blah…until I asked “of course you don’t use social media, or on-line gaming, entertainment and celebrity gossip apps…etc”. Her “innocent” blindspot (or selective ignorance) that these online activities generate one of the largest Carbon-footprints threatening our planet’s future was endearing.

Dear niece (and apparently “all her friends”) are definitely passionate and earnest – but they also choose to be ignorant. I told her I’d keep her dirty little secret: that she’s personally helping to fire up coal-fired power stations and nuclear power plants all over the planet, and in exchange she would stop lecturing me from her position of evident ignorance.
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March 5, 2023 9:06am
- Matt Long
  
  Yep, all the Climate Protesters are in it to feel self righteous; no air travel except my trip to Fiji.
  Time to ask the question, what are you personally doing?
  
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  March 5, 2023 9:41am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Tell them to do the protesting. In the school holidays , end of
    
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    March 5, 2023 11:02am
Pineapple Lumps

Interesting how for much of this news article the link with Nanaia Mahuta and the Labour Party is avoided. Would this have been the case if it was a National or ACT party stepchild?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-consultant-gannin-orsmbys-estranged-son-avoids-jail-for-dishonesty-conviction/NYBGQ4RUUFDCFEPTHPOHZAC5DI/
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March 5, 2023 9:10am
- Ghost
  
  I guess you could compare it to Barbara Kuriger
  
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  March 5, 2023 9:34am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Really? He treated his vows rough, but this scum was thieving and breaking into places, and if he is not involved with the ram raids I will eat my hat
    
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    March 5, 2023 11:04am
    - Ghost
      
      Sigh, I realise you easily get offended by anything you perceive to not be supporting national and spout a lot of shit. But yes, you can compare the way the media reported on her husband and son with how they are reporting on this. It is one of the few cases when a politicians families have been in the media.
      
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      March 5, 2023 11:11am
- Paulus
  
  Isn’t Mahuta in Singapore and Japan ? – the Yakuza will believe they have a new candidate.
  Assume she has been told where to go to keep out of New Zealand.
  
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  March 5, 2023 11:02am
  - Widogast Corwin
    
    Japanese folk don’t generally cope well with women with prominent tattoos. It is just the way they are.
    
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    March 5, 2023 4:25pm
rouppe

Personally, I think Guyon Espiner tries to make too much of his drinking problem.

Seems like he tries to blame the evil sneakiness of alcohol when he had his first gulp of Leopard beer when he was 10.

Anyone who is regularly waking up with memory blanks should have the intelligence to know that they’re drinking too much.

I’ve gotten as shit faced as the next person in my youth but ultimately I had enough of how it made me feel the next day and just dialed it back.

I don’t know where the NZ culture of “drink till you’re shit faced” came from but that is the primary source of the problem. It’s an addiction to “proving” you’re a tough guy who can hold his piss.
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March 5, 2023 9:17am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  A huge difference between being a drinker and being a drunk. I drink. Sure over the limit for driving, but not drunk. The Speaker of the House does not like drunks.
  
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  March 5, 2023 9:45am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  Leopard was a good drop.
  
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  March 5, 2023 9:48am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    In my younger days living in Hamilton there was a beer strike or shortage.
    I took off with a trailer to Napier and came back with a heavy load of Leopard Continental.
    Man I made a premium profit, something way over 200%
    
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    March 5, 2023 10:21am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    What ?
    
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    March 5, 2023 11:04am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Leopard Continental – a lager
      
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      March 5, 2023 11:41am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        There was also leopard larger, it’s the last time I vomited on beer it was mid 80s 😃🍺
        
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        March 5, 2023 11:58am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Yes G. Stella for me these days. I don’t vomit unless I am sick.
        70, so I know when to stop.
        
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        March 5, 2023 3:07pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  First Mrs Corin Dann, now Guyon. What is it with these media types & strong drink?
  
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  March 5, 2023 1:14pm
kevn

@Matt… Not forgetting winnies role in choosing labour initially of course.
For no good/sensible reason either.
He is just trying to claw back support after his utu. On NZ.
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March 5, 2023 9:25am
- Matt Long
  
  I’m not forgetting, and I’m suspicious his actions would’ve been different if he was still in Cindy’s coalition at the time.
  However Seymour is still weaselluing his response and Luxon thinks his response was the right one.
  
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  March 5, 2023 9:37am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  His hatred of Bill English created Cindy
  
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  March 5, 2023 11:59am
Opie

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-truth-about-matt-hancock/

Slowly but surely, we stand up to the madness and it unravels.

The book by Isabel Oakeshott will be a must read.

My favorite quote so far:

“The crusade to vaccinate the entire population against a disease with a low mortality rate among all but the very elderly is one of the most extraordinary cases of mission creep in political history.”

Says it all really…
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March 5, 2023 9:31am
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  And of submission by the population. Ignorance vulnerable to fear-mongering.
  
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  March 5, 2023 11:03am
Sparrow

I have just turned off Q&A in utter disgust. I am no supporter of ACT but how Jack Tame has attacked David Seymour regarding climate change is beyond belief after giving James Shaw a fairly easy time. Dragging up statements made by ACT people 15 years ago after his researchers trolling back in the archives. This programme is a disgrace and to think us taxpayers are paying for it. I can only guess it will get worse the nearer we get to the election. He never let Seymour reply. Tame should be censured. Not likely to happen as his true colours shone through. Won’t be watching Q&A and indeed TVNZ again gave up on RNZ a long time ago. Like the public service neutrality does not exist in our mainstream media. I will own up to the fact that I was an old time leftie have no idea what I am today. Maybe just a silly old fart who can’t give up Blowing in the Wind.
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March 5, 2023 10:00am
- Inandout
  
  Sp, I caught Tame on TV while I was switching to Spotify and there was a climate kid with a placard. I am so glad local TV is binned in my house.
  
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  March 5, 2023 11:27am
- Bridgenag
  
  I am still grieving about the loss of RNZ and TV1. The clever people here have provided good sources of information thank goodness
  
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  March 5, 2023 12:15pm
Maggie Pie

Honestly, I am such a fucking Wet-Wipe!

Came out of Mass this morning and headed back to the Porsche which I’d parked in a side street off Parnell Rd.
Just as I turned the corner I noticed a young Pasifika dude trying the doors!
Walked straight up to him and said “Excuse me sir, I think that’s my car”
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March 5, 2023 10:02am
- NZer In Exile
  
  Your Porsche is an SUV?
  
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  March 5, 2023 2:39pm
  - Simon Arnold
    
    Just a bit hot.
    
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    March 5, 2023 6:09pm
Yvette

Prime Minister Hipkins was going to announce what policies his Labour Government was shelving for Election year – their “undertaking too much” while in fact they seem to deliver next to nothing.
But then Gabrielle happened.
So what is dropped or has Hipkins not delivered on his announcement either?
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March 5, 2023 10:05am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
The National/Act fence sitters need to be made aware of this.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/how-fence-sitters-are-perhaps-the-single-greatest-cause-of-the-existence-of-the-idea-of-co-governance/
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March 5, 2023 10:13am
TripeWryter

I’ve just read a long feature in Stuff by Michelle Duff about where the money goes and who profits from pre-school education.
It was all so predictable. Having other people care for small children while the parents worked was sold as liberating – especially for mothers.
But it was obvious back then – and I’m talking about the 90s – that when big money and government funding was on offer then it would become a business despite the cutesy names for the centres.
Ms Duff seems to be surprised by that.
I am not. To me, and I was a fulltime parent, it was always going to be so.
In 2009 my eldest grandchild, who is now 14, was enrolled in a rather trendy and popular childcare in inner-city Wellington. She was 13 months.
I didn’t express any opinion. I wasn’t her parent. Her mother and father had rent to pay and financial commitments and one salary from the government agency where they both worked wasn’t cutting it.
I remember her parents telling me about the ‘churn’ of staff, and they were uneasy.
There was young Heidi from Heidelberg. Mei from Hong Kong. Nastya from Ukraine. Tereza from Warsaw. And so on.
Apparently lovely young women and good with little children they did not stay long. They had no personal interest in their little charges.
My granddaughter would no sooner form an attachment with Maria from Rio and Maria was gone and replaced by Lucie from Luton.
I found it highly disturbing but then what did I know? I’m just the grandfather. But it seemed perverse to me that children didn’t have someone to bond with long term. And was it good for a child?
I have mixed feelings about day care and child care. It is a business. However much Anna from Auckland might say to a grandchild that she loves them the truth is she doesn’t. She’s doing a job and presumably getting paid for it.
She will move on, and she does.
On the other hand I can’t deny that it appears to have benefits.
My grandchildren in Brisbane started their school knowing stuff that in New Zealand they would expect to learn until they were in the primers. But child care over there apparently was better subsidised and better organised.
(The Catholic-run child care centre near my grandkids’ school stipulated 50-50 male-female staff. That was interesting and different – keen young Aussie blokes interacting with little kids.)
I have a granddaughter in New Zealand who until a few months had been at a nice little day care place since she was about 18 months.
She is part-Asian and the staff at the centre were mainly Chinese, Korean, Filipina, along with some Maori and Pacific Islanders. The place was managed by a Polish woman.
I feel she was lucky because the staff were mostly mothers themselves and they appeared genuinely to like and care about their little charges.
The main benefit for my granddaughter, I feel, was that day care gave her playmates and so she learned to get on with people.
She was well-prepared for school when she started. But you hear anecdotes about other child care places where the reality is that they are impersonal babysitting services and just collecting the money.
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March 5, 2023 10:19am
- kevn
  
  @Tripe… An owner operated, very good daycare our grandies went to told me they weren’t allowed to begin early read/write lessons with the littlies. Even if the child and parent were real keen.
  Wasted opportunity
  
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  March 5, 2023 12:20pm
  - TripeWryter
    
    Kevn: yes, it is.
    
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    March 5, 2023 2:13pm
- artemisia
  
  ECE. There was a lot going on in that article, including that community run centres were being forced to close. The link led to an article about specific centre at AUT, running at 50% capacity and losing money.
  
  If it is such a lucrative business why are community centres being ‘forced to close’. If they are. Maybe it is due to the level of regs, processes, ideological curriculum requirements and documentation required. Didn’t see that traversed in the article.
  
  Staff churn. From what I’ve seen, the requirement for qualified teachers along with a serious shortage of same means centres take what they can get to meet the ratios. New grads are likely to be young, inexperienced women who find out centres have rules and processes and the work is hard.
  
  I thought the article had some good points but was very biased towards how dare they make profits from our children.
  
  Meantime I see Mr Luxon is proposing fewer consultants and more childcare subsidy. All good but is that a solution for the wrong problem? What does he think the problem is?
  
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  March 5, 2023 12:34pm
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  It’s the mothers who want ECE. Because they want it all.
  
  Sadly, PlayCentre, where mothers (and it’s almost all women) can trade free/ minimal cost childcare in return for helping to run the place, is on the way out.
  
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  March 5, 2023 1:21pm
  - artemisia
    
    The Playcentre model doesn’t work for full time working parent/s. Times have changed.
    
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    March 5, 2023 2:58pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      My point entirely. The choice is career/ smart car/ overseas holiday vs being present/ older car/ op shop or hand me down clothes.
      
      We were a better place when the latter ethos prevailed.
      
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      March 5, 2023 5:04pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    Our families experience of Playcentres is, it’s a god-awful set up run by women who just want to sit around and gossip all day, ignoring all the kids and never disciplining them. Kindy was WAAAY better. Not sure about today though.
    
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    March 6, 2023 1:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Joe Biden is a crook. Wonder if one of those Taliban deals was to take out the military and leave $85B of equipment behind? Why is he not in jail?

https://billingsreport.com/pentagon-inspector-general-joe-biden-is-hiding-classified-documents-detailing-side-deals-he-made-with-taliban-and-against-us-troops/
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March 5, 2023 10:25am
- Inandout
  
  SO, Joe is increasingly frail and incoherent and plainly an embarrassing President. The MSM can only prop him up until he becomes a burden to them and that looks sooner rather than later. Then we mention John Fetterman’s mental condition and his wife’s sudden trip to Canada while he is in hospital.
  
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  March 5, 2023 11:22am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Poor man Fetterman. Stroke and could hardly talk and the Dems used him.
    Disgusting
    
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    March 5, 2023 11:43am
    - NZer In Exile
      
      It’s almost like creating chaos and confusion is the plan.
      
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      March 5, 2023 2:41pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Faucistein is getting nervous. Will Joe Biden veto this? Fuci is donkey deep into funding the Wuhan Lab.

https://billingsreport.com/senate-unanimously-votes-to-declassify-intel-on-covid-19-origins-faucistein-is-getting-nervous/
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March 5, 2023 10:31am
Maggie Pie

Maybe you should check your entitlement….

“What is your ‘fair share’ of what somebody else has worked for?”

– Thomas Sowell
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March 5, 2023 10:36am
- MCōs
  
  Has that Sowell chap not heard of election bribes?
  I’m thinking not so much of the ones announced by the Nats today, but that which won them the election back in the mid seventies.
  That is the eye wateringly generous National Superannuation that led to staggering tax increases a few years later.
  Back then I worked so that someone else could have their ‘fair share’ at sixty.
  
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  March 5, 2023 12:32pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    It’s a bit late to be reliterating the 1975 election, MCos.
    
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    March 5, 2023 1:25pm
    - MCōs
      
      I thought it was a good example.
      There’s another one today that is a total bribe. The boot camps.
      I bet the Defence Force are looking forward to putting them into operation.
      
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      March 5, 2023 2:21pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Sowell is brilliant. An incredibly powerful antidote to woke idiocy. Get into it!
    
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    March 5, 2023 2:43pm
Jack5

Sam Stubbs goes after New Zealand’s big Australian-owned banks at Stuff today.

He suggests a monopoly inquiry.

The banks will be a popular target as the economy slides, but let’s get the facts right.

The big banks have different Australian owners, and there are NZ banks in competition with them: the TSB, the SBS, the Co-operative, Heartland – and Kiwibank. So they aren’t a monopoly.

Stubbs raises a question that he says originates with Adrian Orr, Labour’s honcho at the Reserve Bank. This, says Stubbs, is:

”Why do banks get to privatise their profits, yet socialise their losses? If the taxpayer bails them out when they go bust, shouldn’t bank shareholders pay for that protection via lower profits?”

Orr thinks that about the big mainstream banks in NZ?

If these Aussie banks go broke and anyone bails them out it will be the Australian Government. It looks as though our main banks in NZ are “insured” in the broad sense, or covered, or pseudo-guaranteed at no cost to NZ. Kiwi taxpayers won’t be needed to bail them out.

Notable bailouts of banks in NZ have been of the Bank of New Zealand while it was New Zealand owned.

There are some advantages in having big banks owned in Australia. My memory of the 1987 financial dive was that Australian banks’ drew on their non-NZ cash to tide the NZ system over a critical few days.

Ideally, we would have big, thriving NZ banks. However, we are a small economy, and not a dazzling one. Denmark (population about 6 million) has a dozen banks, with big ones like Danske. The Netherlands (about 17.5 million people) has huge banks like ABN Amro, ING Group, and Rabobank. The economies of both those countries outshine NZ’s.

Trying to regulate profits downwards for banks (controls would have also to be on NZ banks) is socialist dreaming.

We don’t have the resources or the chops to build a big bank or two of our own, so the solution would be to attract other big international banks to the country, or get Rabobank or the like to grow and widen their NZ services.
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March 5, 2023 10:36am
- Paulus
  
  Stubbs’s record is nothing to write home about but he love the publicity of how wondrful he is as one of our finest finance experts.
  Go back to his Uk experience and record.
  
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  March 5, 2023 11:07am
- kevn
  
  @Jack5… I gather KiwiBank is still being subsidized by the gummint. How many years now?
  
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  March 5, 2023 12:01pm
  - Paulus
    
    Well we are now hearingKiwiBank’s Leading Economist in all things financial.
    It represents under 10% of banking in New Zealand, so I would rather listen to someone more substantial and not Labour suggestions.
    
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    March 5, 2023 1:26pm
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Not subsidised, I think, but it needs capital to grow.
    
    However, NZ has KB, TSB, Co-op Bank etc. If Kiwis want a big, locally owned bank, they only have to vote with their feet. No regulation required.
    
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    March 5, 2023 1:28pm
- rouppe
  
  On banks and fees and charges and stuff…
  
  By now most people would have got the letter from their credit card provider saying rewards levels are going down because banks have to reduce credit card fees.
  
  Has anyone seen the 2% – 3% credit card surcharge disappearing from eftpos terminals?
  
  No, me neither
  
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  March 5, 2023 10:25pm
Yvette

Thomas Cranmer describes “The Unbridled Power of Te Mana o te Wai” statements.
https://www.thedailyexaminer.co.nz/the-unbridled-power-of-te-mana-o-te-wai/

Dr Muriel Newman, “New Zealanders have been well and truly duped by Labour over Three Waters. From the outset, the primary objective has always been to deliver control of water to the Maori tribal elite.”
https://www.nzcpr.com/tribal-control-of-water/

National pledges to scrap Three Waters and ‘deliver local water well’
“While water quality regulator Taumata Arowai will set strict standards for water quality, National will establish a Water Infrastructure Regulator within the Commerce Commission to set and enforce standards for long-term water infrastructure investment,” Luxon said in a statement.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/484842/national-pledges-to-scrap-three-waters-and-deliver-local-water-well

■ While National says they will retain water quality regulator Taumata Arowa, will they dismiss Te Puna, the Māori Advisory Group, and remove all matters relating to Te Puna from Taumata Arowa.

Three Waters “co-governance” at Entity level is apparently nothing compared to the “total governance” of Te Puna, the Māori Advisory Group, chaired by Pipa Mahuta, younger sister of Nanaia Mahuta.
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March 5, 2023 10:56am
Ghost

With Iran witnessing massive anti-hijab protests across the country over the last few months, hundreds of schoolgirls in the Islamic nation have been admitted to hospitals after suffering “mild poison” attacks, several reports said.

Article
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March 5, 2023 11:23am
nathie

One thing I’ve missed listening to is NZ’s “voice of reason” Peter Williams.

Oh how Mediaworks stuffed up by letting him go in 2021 (ha good riddance to now ex-Mediaworks CEO Cam Wallass)!

His well crafted and thoughtful opening op-eds were a delight to listen to and described perfectly the issues of the day facing NZ society.

Well the good news is he will be back! Plus with a bunch of other interesting hosts too by the looks!

https://realitycheck.radio/
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March 5, 2023 11:44am
lifesgood

So the teachers are going on strike…again! How bloody disgusting. As if the kids school lives haven’t been disrupted enough. And everybody is worried about truancy. Let’s not forget how cruisey teachers had it during the prolonged covid lockdowns. Way to go, teachers, you’ll have no sympathy from parents.
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March 5, 2023 11:51am
- PeeJay
  
  Worst part of this will be reading the sickening coverage by the MSM. No doubt they’ll score bonus points by managing to shoehorn in ‘9 long years of neglect’ and completely failing to mention that Labour have been in charge for 5.5 years and are responsible for inflation and the shocking state of the country generally.
  
  Wouldn’t be surprised if they go for the hat-trick by getting Luxon on the record saying something stupid and walking it back within hours!
  
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  March 5, 2023 12:32pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Why did they not strike in the holidays?
  What a job, 3 months plus teacher only days holiday, and they want to strike?
  This is how “Education” is dumbing down kids.
  
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  March 5, 2023 3:50pm
MCōs

Yesterday I went to the Onehunga Festival.
If Wayne Brown gets his way funding will be stopped to this and similar community events around Auckland.
If WB has his way next year there will be no Onehunga Festival because most of the money needed to run the event comes from the council.
This may not bother a lot of people, but if enough of these events are cancelled it also effects the viability of small businesses that sell food on site.
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March 5, 2023 11:56am
- Widogast Corwin
  
  Could you please provide a link to what Wayne Brown said?
  
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  March 5, 2023 12:04pm
- I remember when
  
  MCos:
  Is this Wayne Brown’s fault, or, do the people of Onehunga have to decide whether they want to have a Festival.
  
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  March 5, 2023 12:08pm
- SmokerGuy
  
  Yeah well if the rate rises under previous numpties hadn’t been so high maybe it wouldn’t have come to that point. Blaming Wayne Brown while ignoring idiots like Goff is pretty disingenuous.
  
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  March 5, 2023 12:27pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    Also lets not forget the ratepayers money Goff approved for the sponsorship of ‘Kiwifist’ in 2018 either!
    
    Billed as…… ‘A full-on, five hour plus, gathering of gay and bi-men into fisting and arse-play big-time’ 🙁
    
    https://2018.aucklandpride.org.nz/events/kiwi-2018/
    
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    March 5, 2023 1:12pm
    - MCōs
      
      Not to mention two America’s Cups that cost the city a ton of money.
      
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      March 5, 2023 2:13pm
      - Maggie Pie
        
        At least the country got millions back in tax Cossie!
        What sort of return would you expect back from a fisting event?
        
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        March 5, 2023 2:44pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        @ Maggie.
        The return to NZ Taxing is not something we talk about.
        Tax is something that pays wages to the non-productive,,,,,,,,,
        
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        March 5, 2023 5:19pm
- PeeJay
  
  Whether you agree with Brown or not, he’s going to struggle to defund these types of events due to two reasons.
  
  Firstly, he can’t opt Council out of these kind of events because it is actually a requirement of law, namely the Local Government Act 2002, which states that the purpose of local government is ‘to promote the social, economic, environmental, and cultural well-being of communities in the present and for the future.’ This is why Council’s the length and breadth of NZ have to support community groups, community festivals with support usually being a synonym for fund. They may be able to reprioritise funding, but they can’t just flatly reject to fund/support these events – they’d be wide open to a challenge that they are in breach of the Act. I’d imagine they could argue that funding needs to be reigned back and that they will meet the obligation to ‘support/promote’ in other ways. Regardless, the local government legislation means he has very little room for manoeuvre.
  
  Secondly, and reinforces the first point, the Mayor is but one vote around the Council table. Unless Brown, or any Councillor can convince a majority of his or her peers to vote in a particular direction, he can shout from the rooftops all he wants, but he is one vote. I believe it’s called democracy.
  
  If he manages to convince a majority of Council that, no doubt due to exceptional financial constraints, Council cannot financially support these festivals, then they may well be defunded or ‘support’ will be pulled back so that council can live within it’s means.
  
  Whatever happens, Brown will be but one vote.
  
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  March 5, 2023 12:27pm
  - Paulus
    
    The Council are to appoint a new CEO, as the other one has recently left before his contract expired.
    Why I cannot find out !
    So there maybe room to manoevre
    
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    March 5, 2023 1:29pm
  - greybeard
    
    “Promote” is not the same as “Pay for” !
    
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    March 5, 2023 3:05pm
- Swifty
  
  MCos, in my view you’re barking up the wrong tree.
  
  The question is not whether these festivals have some good, or that without council funding they MAY wither.
  
  The question in my view is where should festival funding sit on council’s list of priorities and whether even one dollar of ratepayer money should go into festival funding when we have massive infrastructural investment and service level deficits.
  
  I argue that councils can prioritise calls on their investment into ‘must haves’ and ‘nice to haves’ and that successive councils have failed miserably in their governance responsibilities over generations in funding ‘nice to haves’ at the direct expense of the ‘must haves’.
  
  And boy are we paying for that now.
  
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  March 5, 2023 12:35pm
  - MCōs
    
    Without council funding there will be no Onehunga Festival.
    My point is that all sorts of small businesses and entertainment acts then have one less place to pedal their wares.
    Maybe austerity is the way to go?
    
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    March 5, 2023 1:27pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Personally, I think Council funding should extend to having staff assist with road closure permits & the like; and no further.
      
      If residents of Onehunga really want their fair, then they’ll support it by attending/ spending money at the stands etc; and if they don’t then that’s how it turns out.
      
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      March 5, 2023 1:33pm
    - Swifty
      
      You’ve not heard me, obviously.
      
      Oh well.
      
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      March 5, 2023 3:36pm
    - JohnRidd
      
      The choice is not between austerity or not.
      
      It is between austerity now or much greater austerity later.
      
      There is too much debt.
      
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      March 5, 2023 7:32pm
I remember when

Ecologist: Dr Tara McAllister:
“It is abundantly clear that Dawkins knows nothing about matauranga Maori.”

However, he does have an MA, D Phil, DSc from Oxford and was Professor for Public Understanding of Science in the University of Oxford from 1995-2008.
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March 5, 2023 12:04pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Similar to when lightweight climate “emergency”narrative pushers try to slander serious scientists like Lindzen who has published over 200 papers. Highly respected in the global science community until the neomarxist cancel culture virus started infecting everything.
  
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  March 5, 2023 2:50pm
  - Ignoranus
    
    Lindzen’s problem is he is wrong – you do know that scientists can be wrong, don’t you.
    
    He can’t even get anyone at MIT to agree with him, let alone about 150,000 climate scientists still working and publishing in the field.
    
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    March 5, 2023 4:22pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Ignoramus how is he wrong, in your own words?
      
      I’ve listened to him extensively as well as many other scientists of similar stature and experience. He would tear you and the narrative pushing lightweights to shreds in 60 seconds. There are thousands of completely rational and well reasoned scientists of his stature that have denounced climate hysteria.
      
      You present appeal to authority (woke captured admin and those scientists keeping their heads down to keep their jobs) as an argument. Weak.
      
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      March 5, 2023 5:07pm
      - Ignoranus
        
        Ha ha ha, I accept the consensus of scientists in every scientific institution on the planet and you offer one man whose colleagues in his own department say is wrong – and wrote to POTUS to tell him.
        
        Of course I defer to experts. Summarised by the IPCC.
        
        Basically Lindzen believes clouds are a negative feedback sufficient to stop Earth heating up with more CO2 in the atmosphere but CO2 and temperature have risen and fallen together.
        
        That CO2 causes warming is a fact even Lindzen and Judith Curry accept. Curry simply says ‘we don’t know yet’. Okay, you may be willing to take the risk for yourself but I want to leave future generations out of your mad denial.
        
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        March 5, 2023 6:37pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        “Of course I defer to experts.”
        
        You realise Lindzen was a lead author for the IPCC until he called bullshit on their politically motivated summary distortions (as did approx 40 or 50 other distinguished scientists)?
        
        I used to be a believer. I have listened to both sides for over 20 years. There is no evidence of an “emergency”. Best bang for buck is simply to adapt to what the climate throws at humans. Committing economic suicide will simply cripple our ability to do that and cause a real emergency of human misery!
        
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        March 6, 2023 10:19pm
PeeJay

Just wondering if anyone else is noting scams at the supermarkets etc?

Heard a few anecdotal stories of grocery receipts not matching up etc and items of clothing not in the bags.

Went from anecdotal to actual this week. Wife had something similar happen this week – nice bottle of wine not in the bag, one top out of four not packed. Not massive but never happened previously.

Not sure if this is just random carelessness on the part of the checkout staff, everyday retail crime that always happens and is built into pricing, or maybe a symptom of wider cost of living issues?

Be interested to hear if anyone else is noticing a similar uptick in this kind of thing?
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March 5, 2023 12:12pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  That’s the very reason I always use the ‘self check-out’ if I’m ever at a Countdown.
  
  The other bonus is it’s easy to touch ‘Apples Rose’ on the scanner when you’ve actually got the ‘Sweet Tango’
  
  Just saying.
  
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  March 5, 2023 1:25pm
  - MCōs
    
    Never took you for a shop lifter?
    
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    March 5, 2023 1:29pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      I can’t even make the excuse about ….”fat-fingers”
      
      😀
      
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      March 5, 2023 1:55pm
      - kevn
        
        @Maggie… But, the apples have little bar coded stickers to ‘help’ you choose the right fruit. Sometime the scanner will choose for you… automatically.
        
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        March 5, 2023 2:26pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Many supermarkets capture your facial recognition pattern when you use self checkout. And it’s to catch repeat dirtbags. You may “just” be tagged as a suspected dirtbag. That info is often sold to data brokers. All heading to a dark future, especially if one particular big fat evil empire eventually controls everything.
    
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    March 5, 2023 2:54pm
- kevn
  
  @PeeJay… I often find the reduced ticket price doesn’t match the receipt. Most likely 90+% of those mismatches just go through and get paid.
  A Countdown specialty.
  
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  March 5, 2023 2:28pm
Ian Boag

I see National will be upping the subsidy to ECE providers – whoops – I meant ECE customers ….

A bit like the accommodation supplement which got baked into rent increases – flowing to owners – boosting both their income and the value of their asset. What’s not to like?

Subsidy to be funded from the proceeds of trimming the public service. I guess it would be nice if they could specify what would likely be trimmed to generate the required savings.
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March 5, 2023 12:13pm
- I remember when
  
  The ECE is where improvements to education have to start.
  They also have to be better resourced so that they can ensure that all children, no matter what their problems, obtain approppriate diagnosis and early treatment.
  While at it, they could also make certain that privacy doesn’t prevent those who need the information being excluded from it.
  
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  March 5, 2023 12:59pm
  - artemisia
    
    Problem if the ECE sector is required to take on more responsibilities, functions, processes, diagnoses, rules, outcomes. Staff are educators and carers not social workers.
    
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    March 5, 2023 3:08pm
    - Ian Boag
      
      Yep. All these additional responsibilities will mean an unavoidable increase in charges …
      
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      March 5, 2023 7:46pm
kevn

The popup ads on KB are making the page smaller by the day.
I hope the pay-off for the host is worth it.
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March 5, 2023 12:22pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  I switched to the Brave browser because ads made KB unusable on Chrome.
  
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  March 5, 2023 4:25pm
- greybeard
  
  I have posted this before: “uBlock Origin” handles all of these unwanted links.
  Free.
  
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  March 5, 2023 6:58pm
I remember when

WHO:
Over 80% of their funding relies on voluntary donations.
The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation supply 20% of their funding.
The private entities can influence its policies.

Of course they should have total control of epidemics….
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March 5, 2023 12:41pm
Maggie Pie

Stood behind a couple of guys chatting to each other at Bakers Delight earlier while I was waiting to get some Apple & Walnut Scrolls for our lunch.

Overheard one say to the other, “Can you honestly believe that we fell for all her bullshit for the last five years?”

Assumed they were talking about Jacinda….but didn’t like to ask in case they thort I’d been earwigging.
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March 5, 2023 1:01pm
- MCōs
  
  This you?
  https://www.wrvo.org/health/2013-08-11/hearing-loss-likely-but-not-inevitable
  
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  March 5, 2023 1:38pm
- rockape
  
  Seems Dr Weenick has seen the light as well. “ She said she was “honoured” to be representing National.
  
  Having campaigned for Labour in 2017, Weenink said the National Party had been “very welcoming” and saw her change of heart in party allegiance as a sign of someone who had given “a great deal of thought to something”.
  
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  March 5, 2023 2:09pm
Ghost

Assistant Professors wants black Bereavement’ Leave when a black person is killed.

Where’s our Black bereavement leave?

Higher education routinely ignores the emotional needs of Black faculty and staff, particularly after traumatic events, and it’s time for that to change, says Angel Jones

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/campus/wheres-our-black-bereavement-leave
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March 5, 2023 1:33pm
Maggie Pie

And thort this worth sharing with the group….

Chatting to one of the guys outside Church this morning.
He was telling me that he and his wife had booked to go to Fiji tomorrow for a few days. Like us, they won’t be here for the Census unfortunately.

What I did find staggering, was he said this years Census is costing the taxpayer in excess of 250 million dollars!!
That right folks….OVER-A-QUARTER-OF-BILLION.

Imagine what that have done for the poor folks in Esk Valley?
And they won’t even be included in the counting!!
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March 5, 2023 1:49pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  The census is as out of date unnecessary as landlines. The only people who would miss it are unproductive paper pushers. Cost/benefit ratio is ridiculous.
  
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  March 5, 2023 4:28pm
Tauhei Notts

My old mate who has been in the information technology industry for 50+ years, yes, that’s right, 50+ years.
He was telling me about ChatGPT. It is like Google on steroids he said. I had to have a look.
What is written has perfect spelling and grammar. BUT much of it is absolute crap.
Would Kiwibloggers please exercise caution when reading any the Chat GPT garbage. It all seems so plausible.
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March 5, 2023 2:04pm
- Matt Long
  
  AI has been writing lines for a political parties for a while then.
  
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  March 5, 2023 3:00pm
- Simon Arnold
  
  I’ve been using it on and off and have recently asked it for specific references for its sources. It produces an impressive list, but Google Scholar and the referenced journal/authors website and can’t find them.
  
  I the push for a specific link, and get the 404 when I try it. I challenge and it gives me another 404 with fulsome apologies. Another challenge and it goes back to the original.
  
  I suspect it is designed to conceal its tracks.
  
  50+ years ago my fate was punched cards on an Elliot 503. I seem to recall it had as much memory as the Commodore 64 we subsequently got for the offspring (flying the biplane under the bridge in Blue Max, although I did get a Forth cartridge for some serious stuff).
  
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  March 5, 2023 6:33pm
Maggie Pie

HOW HORRIBLE 🙁

It’s when you come across sobering stories like this that it makes you realise what an amazing place Twitter actually is.

Really had me tearing-up and reaching for my GGF’s War Medals….

https://twitter.com/fasc1nate/status/1632119256782614528

(And I still have his photo album from Egypt and two engraved big gun shells dated 1940 – 1942)
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March 5, 2023 2:37pm
Yvette

Luxon: from his state of the nation speech –

Labour has concentrated on things that don’t matter – like its Auckland harbour cycling bridge, its co-governance agenda and the now-shelved merger of TVNZ and Radio New Zealand. What Government except this one would have thought those were priorities when families are worried about losing their own homes because they can no longer afford their mortgages?
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/03/full-speech-watch-read-national-leader-christopher-luxon-s-state-of-the-nation-speech.html

If “co-governance agenda” is one of the “things that don’t matter”, I do hope it still matters enough to be dis-entanged from “3 Waters” legislation passed just late last year, and the likes of Taumata Arowai (up and running from November 15, 2021) and its Maori Advisory Board are sorted out.

As well as Luxon’s vast promise to deliver and do, there are a couple of things needing to be undone as well.
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March 5, 2023 2:55pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Yvette,
  
  Luxon repeated the promise to repeal the 3 Waters legislation. That includes the provisions for co-governance.
  
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  March 5, 2023 4:51pm
  - Yvette
    
    Hullkiwi, I am aware of that.
    But Luxon has said he will keep water regulator, Taumata Arowai, without saying he will abandon the Maori Advisory Council which presides over Taumata Arowai
    Luxon has not even acknowledged that the Maori supremist council exists.
    
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    March 5, 2023 6:06pm
Chuck Bird

FYI

Fight for Life: National MP Mitchell challenges ‘Minister of Muscles’ Nash

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/fight-for-life-national-mp-calls-on-minister-of-muscles-to-meet-him-in-the-ring/PGATMDBPANHUFB3Q4LGLWIJEJE/
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March 5, 2023 3:07pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Will the be a drug test?
  
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  March 5, 2023 3:16pm
Maggie Pie

See where Trumpy has just given Kellyanne Conway’s hubby a real burning…..

https://twitter.com/MostlyPeacefull/status/1632061047405436930

LOL!!!
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March 5, 2023 3:19pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Some history there you would suspect?
  
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  March 5, 2023 4:31pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YIP. Without a doubt! They go back a looong way 😛
    
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    March 5, 2023 4:46pm
- Inandout
  
  Maggie, on the same sort of vein there is Nurse Jill lip kissing Kamala’s husband. Oh what a cesspit is Washington.
  
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  March 5, 2023 4:47pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Don’t hold back, Trump! 🤣
  
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  March 5, 2023 5:33pm
greybeard

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300822419/round-the-bays-first-man-to-cross-finish-line-sets-new-record

What happened to the AUCKLAND Round-the-Bays this year?
Was it relocated to this “Tamaki Matarau” place due to the cyclone ?
And did the women not have a race, being supplanted by “wahine” or something ?
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March 5, 2023 4:24pm
- graham
  
  Oh dear … Stuff really are going all-out in their attempt to win the rather bizarre race for virtue-signalling honours.
  
  So glad I stopped reading it a couple of years ago, and am no longer subjected to such garbage.
  
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  March 5, 2023 6:56pm
Gravelroad

I am a bit late in the day with this- but why the heck are the people at Te News NZ so worried about former UK PM Boris Johnson allegedly holding a party at his place more than two years ago during a Covid lockdown?
There was a massive (by NZ standards) “news item” about it on the 6pm news last night (or might have been night before) with some NZ reporter pontificating that Johnson should be prosecuted or something.
He already had to step down as PM.
Why would this “news” be of significance for us here?
Trying to make Johnson into the UK version of Mr Trump perhaps.
Strange that no reporters here would dream of putting in the same amount of time and rhetoric on challenging the dumb stuff the Labour Party in NZ does behind closed doors.
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March 5, 2023 4:38pm
- hullkiwi
  
  There are 3 threads here:
  
  1. The UK parliamentary privileges committeee is investigating whether he lied to Parliament about parties had at 10 Downing St, which he attended during the 2nd UK covid lockdown. When there were strict measures regarding social gatherings. The gatherings breached the rules. Johnson told parliament he didn’t know this at the time.
  
  2. Evidence shows Johnson knew rules were being broken, but Johnson didn’t correct his statements. The evidence has come in the form of Whatsapp texts from the phone of disgraced Health Secretary Matt Hancock (who also broke the rules by having an affair with his Assistant.
  
  3. Compounding all this, the person who did the first review into the Downing Street Parties, Sue Grey (a senior civil servant) has now been appointed Chief of Staff by the Labour Opposition Leader.
  
  Only in the al, la, la land of politics…..
  
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  March 5, 2023 5:02pm
Swifty

“We demand that the Labour government taxes Coca Cola and the funds made be available to subsidise local soft drink producers.”

“We demand that the Labour government taxes Honda and Toyota and the funds be made available to subsidise the local car industry.”

“We demand that the Labour government taxes Apple and Samsung and that the funds be made available to subsidise local smart phone producers.”

https://i.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/131386476/mate-ya-streamin-push-for-major-streamers-to-pay-local-content-levy

I demand that the Labour government tells the local film producers to piss off and that they should just concentrate on producing content that people want to see and are willing to pay for. That way we’ll all be better off.
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March 5, 2023 5:16pm
Ghost

Strange, I can’t seem to find The People’s Republic of Russia on a map. Anyone? Or is joe’s brain farts spreading to his staff

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March 5, 2023 5:18pm
Ghost

Lol, nice

Is This The Greatest Job Of Political Trolling Ever?

Modern politics is annoying and frustrating, but one of the most entertaining things about it is when conservatives troll left-wingers. So much of it takes place on social media, but sometimes the trolling actually takes place in legislatures.

The latest instance of conservative political trolling has taken place in Florida, and it’s so brilliant it might be the greatest political trolling job ever.

On Tuesday, State Sen. Blaise Ingoglia (R-11th district) filed SB 1248, gloriously titled “The Ultimate Cancel Act,” which, in its ultra-sanitized summary, would call on the state of Florida to “immediately cancel the filings of a political party if certain conditions exist; requiring the division to follow a certain procedure; requiring the division to provide a specified notice to certain voters; authorizing a canceled political party to reregister with the Department of State; providing procedures for an organization to reregister as a political party.”

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