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Yvette

“If Hipkins does keep dumping Labour’s policies, what happens next? Well, Labour would be back to where they started in 2017, with big problems, big promises, and no solutions.”

LET’S DO THIS
LET’S DO WHAT?
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February 17, 2023 8:01am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
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  Yvette – They will win the election in October for sure.
  
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  February 17, 2023 9:32am
  - Its only I
    
    The first party promising to bring back night school will win.
    
    Night school, lets do that!
    
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    February 17, 2023 9:40am
  - Yvette
    
    Yes, Sir Cullen’s Sidekick, sadly you may be right
    After lazing in Opposition for nine years and thinking the Election would be impossible to win, Jacinda rose to the top with no policies worked out to bring with her, but was crowned Prime Minister by Winston anycase.
    Now Hipkins may cut Labour’s policies back to about the same level, and fate or unthinking voters put him in as well.
    And if Luxon “keeps his powder dry” as so many commenters here suggest, it may still be dry when he dies too.
    Vote for Seymour – he still seems to be alive
    
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    February 17, 2023 9:44am
    - RoboRob
      
      It is time for National to start to prove they have policy. They need to show what sort of government they plan to be. Seymour has done well to establish a brand from Act, National should be worried about losing voters to Act.
      
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      February 17, 2023 10:10am
      - Ghost
        
        https://www.national.org.nz/priorities
        
        I would also guess a few things have meant policy has to be relooked at because of the economy and now the floods. Also the scrapping of things by hipkins that national were going to scrap and use the money from
        
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        February 17, 2023 10:35am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    You wouldn’t happen to be a betting man by any chance would Sidekick?
    
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    February 17, 2023 10:16am
  - Chris R
    
    There is as much chance of Labour winning in October as there is of me completing a census return in March…ZERO!
    
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    February 17, 2023 11:02am
    - The Boss
      
      The census will be canned, so nobody will do it. That will be the popular thing to do in an election year. Money wasted? Dont make me laugh.
      
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      February 17, 2023 12:39pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      Do you have a plan B in case it becomes apparent that NZ has a critical mass of imbeciles and the parties from hell do get back in?
      
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      February 17, 2023 7:50pm
  - Paulus
    
    You may well be right, as I get the intention from some usual National Women that Luxon is a faceless non political business wimp and they will not vote for him.
    Probably Act will benefit
    
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    February 17, 2023 11:16am
    - Bob
      
      they will not vote for…..
      and NZ will have a Maori/Labour/Green government, and we will not ever have another democratic election.
      
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      February 17, 2023 11:40am
      - coge
        
        Vote Luxon, get Greens.
        
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        February 17, 2023 1:02pm
  - The Boss
    
    The floods will save them, same way Covid saved Cindy in 2020. There will be huge relief packages, lots of election bribes, and they will cancel the census to show how much they “care”. The sheeple will buy that and forget about all the past wrongs. And we will get a government controlled by the Greens. Difficult times ahead.
    
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    February 17, 2023 12:34pm
    - Ghost
      
      No, because at the end of the day they will still have high cost of living, struggling health system, weak justice system, high crime rate, failing education system
      
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      February 17, 2023 12:43pm
      - Justitia
        
        You forget, Labour have a secret weapon – Luxon.
        
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        February 17, 2023 4:36pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        Justitia they also have the not so secret giant bludgeoning weapons of the MSM in their pockets, and big tech scumbags tilting the playing field for them.
        
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        February 17, 2023 7:53pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  #letsfailNZfor6years
  
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  February 17, 2023 9:37am
- Tricati
  
  But they had over 200 working groups and spent a truck load of tax-payer money to cover their laziness in 9 years of opposition, so they must have a couple of new policies up their sleeves that haven’t used yet.
  Its just the same, all talk and no do and yet they get a free ride from the MSM, unlike the attack on National over their policy of indexing tax brackets to inflation taking away revenue to fix the cyclone damage – I just despair.
  
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  February 17, 2023 9:38am
  - nathie
    
    National need to fire back against the MSM … “so you (MSM journo) don’t want struggling Kiwi’s to have more money in their pocket to help pay their mortgage, cope with the cost of living crisis or put food on the table for their children”?
    
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    February 17, 2023 12:07pm
    - Mike H S
      
      Totally agree. I don’t see any fight in Luxon who has had plenty of opportunity to come out with good basic policy/principle. ACT have. You can’t wait forever.
      
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      February 17, 2023 12:57pm
- kiwikidsnz
  
  https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2023/02/17/the-privatisation-two-step-is-three-waters-a-masterpiece-of-misdirection/
  
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  February 17, 2023 9:52am
  - Tom Hunter
    
    It’s taken a long time for the penny to drop with “Bomber” and it’s entirely predictable that he can only start to get uncomfortable once Capitalism rears its ugly head, while he has otherwise been banging that the only people who could opposed to 3/5/7 Waters were – say it with me now – WASCISTS.
    
    Idiot.
    
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    February 17, 2023 11:53am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Hipkins is a LINO? Labour in name only?
  
  Let’s do this.
  Let’s do What?
  You know, the ‘thing’
  
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  February 17, 2023 9:54am
  - Its only I
    
    Buy Hipkins Lino at the Labour DIY center…cheap looking and doesn’t stick to anything for very long.
    
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    February 17, 2023 10:28am
- rockape
  
  By guess,an it’s an educated one would be this.
  1, extend the State of emergency by a week.
  2, next week in Parliament announce the cost of fixing the problem including re rerouting roads, relocating homes to and say how that money will have to be borrowed.
  3, at the end of the week announce he wants a mandate for those actions and is therefore calling an early election, which, he will have a better chance of winning than on 14 Oct.
  
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  February 17, 2023 10:17am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    How would they know that cost Rocky? They haven’t even started a working group yet.
    
    It would be just like this [Mod – tone your language down] call an election when much of the country is suffering . Just imagine if Key called an early election during the earthquakes, [Mod – deleted]
    
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    February 17, 2023 10:56am
    - rockape
      
      G they will just pluck the figures out of the air as they always do !
      
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      February 17, 2023 11:32am
    - nathie
      
      Usually the governing party will call for an early election if there is a constitutional crisis or can’t pass legislation etc.
      
      Not sure Labour could find a valid reason to call for an early election if none of the above is hindering them functioning as Govt?
      
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      February 17, 2023 12:09pm
      - DimChappie
        
        The PM can call an early election without a crisis. There is no valid reason test as far as I know:
        
        https://dpmc.govt.nz/our-business-units/cabinet-office/supporting-work-cabinet/cabinet-manual/6-elections-transitions-6
        
        “In some circumstances, a Prime Minister may decide that it is desirable to advise the Governor-General to call an early election. In accordance with convention, the Governor-General will act on the advice as long as the government appears to have the confidence of the House and the Prime Minister maintains support as the leader of that government.
        
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        February 17, 2023 12:28pm
      - nathie
        
        Thnx DC – oh well Labour better have a good reason otherwise it might not sell (to the public) very well and could backfire!
        
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        February 17, 2023 12:45pm
      - NZer In Exile
        
        DC: “as long as the government appears to have the confidence of the House”
        
        What are the exact metrics that determine the above?
        
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        February 17, 2023 7:55pm
  - Paulus
    
    What about those huge number now voluably being heard in the media, who have no insurance, or not enough, as they could not afford it.
    Who is going to pay ? – Christchurch was a good example – us – the taxpayers as it will buy votes another way.
    My guess in the $ billions if not tens, over time.
    I just heard where is State Insurance ? – sold by the Labour Government to UK giant Norwich, who disected it, and sold it to IAG (Australia).
    
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    February 17, 2023 11:20am
- kevn
  
  @Yvette… If only they had done NOTHING.
  
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  February 17, 2023 10:31am
- bjools
  
  What, in Labour’s history, tells you that he won’t remove them from the election discussion and if elected…do them anyway.
  
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  February 17, 2023 11:25am
The Redbaiter

Climate change is a scam. A transparent Marxist scam designed to depress western economies and shift prosperity to China and India and other so called “developing” nations.

Western economies are being deliberately deprived of cheap energy supplies while the developing countries still have increasing access.

Our economies are being further depressed by the associated scam of “renewable energy” which does not work as a replacement for hydrocarbons. It is too expensive, unreliable and also does nothing to reduce CO2 emissions. Such emissions as do not effect the climate anyway.

Why is it being pushed upon us? Just another means to cripple our economies and simultaneously boost the economies of China et al. Deprive us of cheap energy. Force us to use expensive and unreliable falsely named “renewable” energy.

How was the West ever led to believe this was a good idea? Well gullible politicians have a lot to do with it, and Christopher Luxon is one of them.

Mr Luxon’s failure to understand all of the above makes him (IMHO) unfit to be leader of Sid Holland’s National Party. The National Party was set up to fight global communism. Mr Luxon is instead using the party to betray us to those very forces.

Worse, he wants to embark on this course while the country enters into what will be a lengthy and extremely difficult recovery from massively destructive flooding.

How can we work our way out of this hole while we’re hobbled by the idiotic unworkable need to limit CO2 production? It is just utter madness.

Luxon needs to go. Otherwise people need to vote for the lesser of three evils which is the ACT party. National is useless as long as it is in the grip of the Climate Change cult.
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February 17, 2023 8:02am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Red,
  
  As you well know, any likely leaders of National will have the same views as Chris Luxon.
  
  National is not going to tailor their policies to meet the requirements of the 10% of voters who are irredentists on this and many other issues.
  
  As you note, there is still one party who might appeal, though I suspect this is also increasingly doubtful. I suspect a lot of younger Act members and supporters are not nearly so opposed to climate change policies as many here think.
  
  In any event much of what needs to be done is resilience building. There seems to be a pretty complete consensus on this. Perhaps not all the Greens. Many of them don’t see any value in effective transport links that suit private vehicles.
  
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  February 17, 2023 9:32am
  - RoboRob
    
    I think the issue is more around what we do with regards to climate change. Is sending money overseas, electric cars etc the right way to deal with changes in the climate? Perhaps we would be better using those funds to improve our cities and towns; improved drainage, identifying and dealing with low lying areas, bigger stop banks on rivers, stopping new builds on cliffs, by rivers and seas etc.
    
    Labour and the Greens are entirely focused on CO2 reductions. The Maori party likely thinks its racist. Who knows what Nationals plan is. I think Act were looking more at managing the impact of climate change. Regardless if one believes in humans / CO2 causing climate changes, they are occuring and we need to change our building / lifestyles to better deal with them.
    
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    February 17, 2023 9:38am
    - The Redbaiter
      
      RoboRob- “Who knows what Nationals plan is”
      
      Anyone who has witnessed Mr Luxon’s sudden pivot to the hard green left over the last few days as expressed during interviews on various news outlets knows. Aside from some unsubstantial waffling about technology, the plan is interchangeable with those of Labour/Greens.
      
      (Don’t get me wrong on this. I care about the National Party and look with sadness on what it has become today. It needs to be restored to an effective democratic alternative to socialism/ communism and stand for the freedom objectives its founders intended)
      
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      February 17, 2023 10:06am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Luxon stated yesterday he thinks we should build infrastructure to cope with these storms. He is tight, but when a [Mod – use a person’s correct name] has a bee in heir bonnet, they do not listen properly
      
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      February 17, 2023 10:58am
      - The Redbaiter
        
        G- “Luxon stated yesterday”
        
        Readers can judge for themselves exactly what Mr Luxon said in that interview. The full video (part 1 & 2 with subtitles) is available here.
        
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        February 17, 2023 11:16am
    - kisekiman
      
      In short: mitigation. This has always been the sensible approach but no let’s wreck the economy with Net Zero and carbon taxes.
      
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      February 17, 2023 12:27pm
  - The Redbaiter
    
    Wayne Mapp- “As you well know, any likely leaders of National will have the same views as Chris Luxon.”
    
    Do not concede this point, but if it is true, and that the party is indeed so utterly opposed to seeking truth and simultaneously intent on seriously damaging our economy, then this is really the only alternative.
    
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    February 17, 2023 9:43am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      … but if it is true,…
      
      Oh it’s true alright:
      
      You are right. There were (and are) a substantial number of National MP’s who would have similar views to myself.
      
      And on this particular matter:
      
      In the meantime it is rather tiresome to keeping reading of the dinosaurs revolt.
      
      And a bonus quote for any traditional National-voting farmers, who should all see this:
      
      Todd Muller clearly accepts the science. Groundswell won’t be able to find too many friends in National, at least not influential ones.
      
      What I really appreciate about all that is the smug arrogance of them; you’ll suck it up on all these issues, not just AGW, and vote National because TINA.
      
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      February 17, 2023 12:02pm
      - The Redbaiter
        
        This may seem incredulous to many, but I am starting to suspect that Luxon’s recent pivot to the green left is a tactical move.
        
        The idea is to set the groundwork for a coalition with the Greens. Why?
        
        Because both Willis and Luxon (mistakenly) see ACT as too far right. They may be forced into a coalition with them, but having the Greens in that coalition as well will neutralise ACT,
        
        As an alternative and depending on voting results, Luxon/Willis could leave ACT out altogether and just go with the Greens.
        
        Luxon should be prompted into a statement that makes it unmistakably clear that he will never under any circumstances enter into coalition with the Greens. If he will not do this, you know what it means.
        
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        February 17, 2023 12:36pm
      - nathie
        
        Think you read too much into things sometimes Red, after all there is NO way the Greens will ever go with National!
        
        Especially as the Greens start the purge to get rid of James Shaw (which they have with Shaw stepping down contesting Wellington Central and in his place will be a radical) … after all the only Greens left in the party will be their hardcore radicals and even a “Labour Lite” National as you would probably call them would be a step to far for them.
        
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        February 17, 2023 12:49pm
      - Chris Nisbet
        
        ‘Accepting the science’ is such a strange thing to say.
        ‘Science’ isn’t a thing that I accept or deny.
        Why is it that politicians want me to ‘accept the science’, but actual scientists want to question everything, demand proof, perform experiments to confirm or disprove hypotheses etc?
        I read about some professor who was claiming that the evidence is mounting that ‘climate change’ (meaning our alleged contribution to it) is resulting in more/bigger earthquakes. Am I meant to just ‘accept’ that? I think not.
        Luxon might have accepted that this cyclone is the result of human-caused climate change, but science doesn’t make any such claims. As I understand it, attributing any weather event to ‘climate change’ is practically impossible, especially as extreme weather events are (if anything) trending downwards.
        How do you make any headway on the topic of ‘climate change’ when one group of people think the only answer is just to ‘accept the science’?
        
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        February 17, 2023 2:00pm
    - Matt Long
      
      I must say I find it funny that when people propose a National/Greens coalition, the reponse is always that the Greens are far too principled to go with National, which suggests people believe the Nats would be only too happy to partner the Greens.
      As a matter of interest the people I talk to say the Greens are the worst two faced liars in parliament, since Winston has given them a taste of government the baubles of power may prove intoxicating.
      
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      February 17, 2023 1:52pm
      - coge
        
        I recall the Greens were very happy to go with John Key’s cycle track. It’s very clear Luxon would offer them much more.
        
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        February 17, 2023 2:15pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Exactly Wayne, the [Mod – use the persons correct name] only hears climate change, he did not listen to what Luxon said at all, he said we need to build infrastructure that will cope with these storms.
    
    I was in Hong Kong in 2006, I was very surprised to see it rain for two hours, 10 inches of rain, and not one sign of flooding, no surface flooding on roads at all, clearly the storm water Infrastructure is far superior than ours, this is what Luxon is talking about, building infrastructure to cope, but we have a fool spouting from a party that can say what ever they want but will not have to come up with anything. Time act were put in their box
    
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    February 17, 2023 9:49am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    “I suspect a lot of younger Act members and supporters are not nearly so opposed to climate change policies as many here think.”
    
    Do you not think Wayne that there is more than a hint of indoctrination that has occurred on the anthroprogenic aspect of Climate Change? When did you last see a counter to this argument by an eminent scientist published in our media or cited by a NZ politician because they are out there – try Prof. Richard Lindzen as a starting point. The answer is never because this has now become cult like.
    
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    February 17, 2023 10:00am
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Do you not think Wayne that there is more than a hint of indoctrination…
      
      One of the secrets of former Labourites like Wayne is that he does know and is entirely satisfied with that. It’s why he’s entirely comfortable with the whole National-Sniffing-The-Centrist-Winds; they blow in the direction he wanted anyway.
      
      The dwindling band of National “Conservatives” – the “dinosaurs” – will just have to suck it up and move on, like many National voters.
      
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      February 17, 2023 12:07pm
  - Nickc2
    
    National is not going to tailor their policies to meet the requirements of the 10% of voters who are irredentists on this and many other issues.
    
    Where did the figure of 10% come from Wayne?
    
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    February 17, 2023 10:01am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Most polls have ACT at 10 or 11% pretty much 10% of the voting population
      
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      February 17, 2023 11:16am
      - Paulus
        
        I believe that many women who would normally vote National will transfer to Act – because they do not like Luxon’s appearance as a business man, and not a politician scum.
        
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        February 17, 2023 1:23pm
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      I’ve always wanted to be an irredentist! Thanks Wayne!
      
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      February 17, 2023 7:19pm
  - Spam
    
    The problem, as I see it, is that “we must do something about climate change” is a soundbite, that takes zero notice of what climate change is. What climate change is, is limited to disaster porn where every bad weather event is blamed on climate change. Look what we’ve seen in the wake of cyclone Gabriel.
    
    But here’s the thing: the IPCC concludes (for example) that “There is low confidence in most reported long-term (multi-decadal to centennial) trends in tropical cyclone frequency- or intensity-based metrics.”. Similarly, the IPCC says In summary there is low confidence in the human influence on the changes in high river flows on the global scale. In general, there is low confidence in attributing changes in the probability or magnitude of flood events to human influence because of a limited number of studies, differences in the results of these studies and large modelling uncertainties.
    
    But no-one is willing to call the politicians out on their blatant politicking of a disaster, because, ironically, anyone who dared to do so would be accused of politicking (or being a “denier”).
    
    It would seem to me that ill thought out land use changes (forestry, building next to rivers then not keeping the channels free) are much more problematic than “climate change”. I.e. mitigation and adaptation are better solutions than killing the economy, because a strong and resilient economy can actually pay for adaptation and mitigation.
    
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    February 17, 2023 10:11am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Luxon wants infrastructure to stand these storms, he is not asking to ban oil and gas, infraction his policy is to bring oil and gas back
      
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      February 17, 2023 11:17am
      - Tom Hunter
        
        As has been noted by many people in the O&G industry, that horse has bolted the stable permanently.
        
        I know you believe everything that Luxon says and on this issue I wish it were true, but there is nothing he or National (or ACT) can do that would overcome this for the simple reason that O&G companies know such policies would be reversed again with a future Labour government, and even nine years of a National-led government is not a long enough time horizon to risk such massive investments.
        
        Besides, how many “Waynes” do you think exist inside National who would also oppose the return of the O&G industry, given how strongly they support the “science” of AGW? It would be like the Maori seats or WFF in 2008, as he has explained.
        
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        February 17, 2023 12:15pm
      - Master Mariner
        
        @Tom,
        Yes indeed the horse has bolted.
        Oil Majors not interested in unstable Countries .
        Fact.
        The Damage done is immeasurable Tom.
        
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        February 17, 2023 4:10pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        Yes, MM, the damage is done particularly in the face of the O&G industry (and mining) being one of the few industries left that provide good pay, even high pay, for working class people without high education.
        
        Now those people either go overseas or get some low-wage service industry job here.
        
        But I guess the proof is in the pudding given that New Plymouth voted Labour into power in 2020.
        
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        February 17, 2023 4:41pm
      - artemisia
        
        We could dig up coal though. A while back there was some discussion on this site where a poster worked out that at current values our coal reserves would be worth more than a trillion dollars. That would build a few roads and houses.
        
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        February 17, 2023 4:42pm
      - Tom Hunter
        
        That would build a few roads and houses
        
        And the phrase you’ll be looking for in a few years is If only Stalin knew!.
        
        Luckily there is a Leftie counter-balance nowadays due to much of the modern Left being corrupted by the grasping desire for money and the good life it brings – see Ardern and most of Labour, many of even the Greens and almost all of the Western Left. Hell, even Bernie Sanders owns several houses, along with one Patrisse Cullors, (a “trained Marxist” – to each according to her needs and all that).
        
        Sure it would be nice if they came to a rational realisation about the reality of AGW and the Quixotic pursuit of renewable energy – but I’ll take their silent corruption in keeping Huntly open and watching China and India explode their coal usage.
        
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        February 17, 2023 6:21pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    Climate change is a naturally occurring event.
    
    Believing that humans can significantly impact it, and that we can somehow control events on a rock spinning round a sun which are travelling through a universe of incomprehensive scale, pretty much sums up the stupidity of the liberal left – and the idiots on the right who chase them.
    
    Even more moronic than believing in “zero covid” or that masks prevent transmission of an airborne virus. Or that mRNA vaccines do more good than harm.
    
    The amount of wasted time, money and energy on covid and the “climate” is phenomenal.
    
    We read yesterday that the substation that went underwater was identified as at risk in 2020.
    Nothing done about it, too worried about making sure somebody wore a useless mask when they went to the toilet in a restaurant, or that people dobbed on their neighbours for talking to each other.
    
    Now 37,000 homes are without power in HB.
    
    There’s just no fixing stupid sometimes.
    
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    February 17, 2023 10:14am
    - Ian Boag
      
      the substation that went underwater was identified as at risk in 2020.
      
      True. OTOH ….
      
      2020 was the last big Napier flood. The station survived it, as it had survived floods for the previous 90-odd years that it had been there ….
      
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      December 17, 2021 11:28am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        Ian – it was identified as at CRITICAL risk. It should have been sorted. Remember, these people have been telling us for 50 years how catastrophic the flooding will be. They might have even got it right for once, so why didn’t they prepare for what they’ve been preaching about?
        
        On the other hand, it’s more likely that it’s simply another weather event that comes around every 50 or 100 years.
        
        Man made climate change is a bigger scam than the covid scam was. The difference being, the covid scam has been a bit easier to expose. That particular house of cards is collapsing at a rate of knots.
        
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        February 17, 2023 2:22pm
      - I remember when
        
        True. OTOH…..
        It was only in 2020 that it was identified as a risk.
        Successfully, as it happens.
        Perhaps they didn’t like the fact that the mouths of the Tutaekuri and Ngaruroro had been joined.
        
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        February 17, 2023 4:27pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Correct, but what people are forgetting about what Luxon said is, we need to build the infrastructure to cope like many countries overseas
      
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      February 17, 2023 12:13pm
      - pussycat
        
        What Luxon actually said is that the recent flooding and cyclone was caused by man, which is moronic.
        
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        February 17, 2023 1:54pm
      - ClanMcleod
        
        If it’s too difficult to relocate the substation then protect it with a watertight perimeter to whatever height is required and install pumps for water removal when it does occur. Apparently, historically the area has always been prone to flooding.
        
        Almost all rivers are.
        
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        February 17, 2023 2:29pm
  - Matt Long
    
    Wayne your party does have a better record of building resilience than this one, however none of the policies announced in recent years suggest it is current policy. Mostly what I hear is guilt and cutting food production and transport resilience.
    
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    February 17, 2023 10:31am
    - Matt Long
      
      As an example of how bad government policy is currently, a Northland Contractor was getting geared up in the millions with big harvesting gear to take out dangerous trees on road reserves before they blocked roads and caused deaths, the government canned funding for the project!!? Zero brain cells, or maybe they planned to block the roads during the next storm?
      
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      February 17, 2023 10:35am
      - Matt Long
        
        I’m also told the road north of Tutukaka was open to traffic while large multistem broken gum branch were twirling in the wind just above the cars. Those trees should never have been there in the first place, but what kind of fools let traffic into that kind of situation?
        
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        February 17, 2023 10:39am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Go and listen to the full media stand up from Luxon on Wednesday, that is exactly what he was talking about
      
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      February 17, 2023 12:15pm
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      I am hoping that National will have a serious National Resilience Plan. As you point out building things has been a traditional National Party strength.
      
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      February 17, 2023 4:17pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Wayne so even it’s it’s all total bullshit, full steam ahead with appeasing popular bullshit?
    
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    February 17, 2023 7:59pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  I have said many times Luxon is a good manager, but he is not a leader.
  
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  February 17, 2023 9:58am
  - The Redbaiter
    
    I think it is really important for people who are concerned about NZ’s economic future to understand Mr Luxon’s plans. He explained them in a TV One interview yesterday.
    
    He admits to having the same objectives as Labour/Greens. He waffles about technology, but just listen. In reality, there is nothing there, and all he really has is a fallback position on alternative energy which is just not a real practical and affordable solution. And is virtually the same as Labour’s position anyway.
    
    For people who did not witness the most revealing interview on TV One a day ago, the video is here. (parts 1 & 2)
    
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    February 17, 2023 11:09am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      You lost me at TV One.
      Sorry, I will not lower myself to that level.
      Morning Breakfast I put headphones on. The speaker of the house insists watching that crap.
      Keep the queen bee happy and the whole hive is happy.
      No, I am not emasculated!
      
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      February 17, 2023 3:34pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    They are both the same thing
    
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    February 17, 2023 12:16pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Nope they are not. A manager delegates his employees.
      A leader is ‘friends’ with his employees. They understand each other, whereas a manager just says ‘do this now’ and fucks off to his office – to get back on Kiwiblog LOL!!
      
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      February 17, 2023 3:38pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  “which does not work as a replacement for hydrocarbons”
  On that, have emergency services shipped in a whole pile of FF-powered generators into the disaster zones, or set up a pile of solar panels?
  Are people using generators, or installing a wind turbine to get them through?
  
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  February 17, 2023 2:06pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  RB can’t disagree with anything you’ve written there.
  
  The big problem is the critical mass of gullibility and idiocy that exists in the population on this.
  
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  February 17, 2023 8:02pm
All_on_Red

Is there anywhere Joe Biden hasn’t left Classified Documents?
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2023/02/15/the-fbi-search-for-bidens-classified-documents-expands-again-n1670992
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February 17, 2023 8:04am
- Surely Knott
  
  Outrageous that our blatantly biased media refuses to cover this when they made a huge front story tabloid drama over only one box of docs found at trumps residence.
  
  Also of note was this interesting story of Hunter Biden’s links to a corrupt FBI agent, and Hunter doing deals with China And Albanian leaders, an 80k diamond and a 1 mill retainer for his efforts.
  
  Seems none of this is news in NZ nor the toxic Ohio train disaster, not the breaking story of the USA being accused of being behind the blowing up of the norstream pipeline.
  
  https://nypost.com/2023/02/15/hunter-bidens-link-to-disgraced-ex-fbi-official-charles-mcgonigal/amp/
  
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  February 17, 2023 8:45am
  - Nickc2
    
    If NZers were denied access to the Internet, we’d never know about these things.
    There used to be a saying on military aircraft prior to landing in NZ: “retard all clocks and watches three years, the year is now …….”
    Remember, Cindy wanted the World to censor the Internet.
    
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    February 17, 2023 9:26am
    - Parnell Gun Club
      
      There are still many, many people who receive their world view through the lens of the six o’clock tv news. Scary isn’t it? And depressing.
      
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      February 17, 2023 9:43am
      - NothingLeft
        
        Only about 5% of kiwis watch TV news. It’s carefully curated news stories from the enlightened sculptors of truth in Big Tech that inform the masses.
        
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        February 17, 2023 10:05am
      - ClanMcleod
        
        PGC – we are living in 1984. Our mainstream media is the Ministry of Truth from that novel.
        
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        February 17, 2023 10:25am
      - cmm
        
        Well that is what happens when we trust people to do their job and they abuse that trust.
        
        It is the MSM’s job in society to report accurately and inform us. That is the reason they are given extra rights.
        
        But when they tamper with the reporting to push an agenda then they are no longer performing their role in society.
        
        Society is based on trust.
        We trust bank tellers to be handling cash honestly and not taking it home.
        We trust doctors to be giving us good advise and lopping off the correct limb when that needs doing. We trust teachers to be teaching our kids to read and write and add.
        We trust the garbage man to take stuff to the dump and not tip it in the neighbour’s paddock.
        
        When people stop performing their job in society then bad things happen.
        
        When they do exactly the opposite of their function (as the MSM is currently doing), then very bad things happen.
        
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        February 17, 2023 10:40am
      - Nickc2
        
        I have arguments with people like that every day, and they are my grandkids FFS.
        
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        February 17, 2023 10:59am
    - ClanMcleod
      
      Nick2 – not sure if you’ve come across this site, but if you want rational discussion of events around the world they are one of the best. From a UK slant, but they do excellent work.
      
      https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/uk-column-news-3rd-february-2023
      
      They livestream 3 times a week at 1pm UK time, and update to Rumble around 6 hours later.
      
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      February 17, 2023 10:23am
      - Nickc2
        
        TKS, Bookmarked.
        
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        February 17, 2023 2:03pm
    - Master Mariner
      
      “Cindy wanted the World to censor the internet”
      Why ?,
      Because its been totally successfull in NZ.
      Nothing further to add.
      
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      February 17, 2023 11:28am
  - ClanMcleod
    
    NZ mainstream media is utterly fucked. I don’t know if it can be salvaged.
    
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    February 17, 2023 10:21am
    - Keith White
      
      “I say we take off and nuke the Ferald site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.” – my neighbor Rapley, from Taihape.
      
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      February 17, 2023 6:38pm
    - NZer In Exile
      
      CM, cut the taxpayer’s money supply and let all media die or go private.
      
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      February 17, 2023 8:05pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Look in Jill’s pantie drawer. It was good enough for the FBI to do it to Melania.
  Or is this another ‘it’s different when the left do it?’
  
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  February 17, 2023 8:57am
- kowtow
  
  Is this why he’s shooting down anything that’s flying ……..another big squirrel , look over there!
  
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  February 17, 2023 9:19am
O C Smith

Two questions relating to the cyclone:
1. Will we have short term food shortages?
2. Where will the workforce required come from?
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February 17, 2023 8:08am
- Sir Cullen's Sidekick
  
  O C Smith:
  
  1. Super markets will use this as an excuse to rip off customers like they are doing now
  
  2. Shane Jones’ coussies will get off the couch and help us. You voted for that statement last time, so fall for it again.
  
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  February 17, 2023 9:35am
- RoboRob
  
  Lol, caught Micheal Woods on TV this monring talking about opening up immigration to bring them in.
  
  This from the guys that spent 5yrs making sure as few people could get into the country as possible. The interviewer remarked that there are currently big delays on visa applications, Wood claimed to have it under control, lolz.
  
  Note Chippie claimed he was going to deploy the unemployed to help. But on questions to his office, turns out thats on hold.
  
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  February 17, 2023 10:05am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    That very bloody thing is what should be pushed by the rotten media, these lies from Labour PMs has to stop, lying to the country use to be a sacking offence.
    
    I just wonder if Māori has said don’t expect our unemployed to help
    
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    February 17, 2023 12:19pm
- cmm
  
  If the couches are all wet then maybe the cuzzies won’t lie on them so much and will do some work instead.
  
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  February 17, 2023 10:42am
- Frank the tank
  
  1). Yes
  2). It won’t.
  
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  February 17, 2023 11:25am
hmmokrightitis

A day of days. Waking up to start the journey with my youngest who starts at Vic, with her older brother who finishes there this year.

Not quite an empty nest – the Gorgeous Blond still has hers (now ours) to go.

My Ms 18 Going on 35 is quietly nervous and has already explained to me she will blub when I drop her off. I, in turn explained thats OK, you wait until you see me blub 😀

The weather is conducive to the Right of Passage Roadie, thankfully. After having to rescue my son last night as he tried to cross the Island, only to encounter flooding and hail so deep on the road you couldn’t drive.

Thank god they changed the name from global warming cos I cant remember a more cold and shitty summer.
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February 17, 2023 8:10am
- Chris Nisbet
  
  The globe hasn’t warmed at all for the last 7-8 years, which is longer than many people can remember.
  Not a statistic you’re likely to see on the news any time soon# and I bet that a lot of people wouldn’t believe that little bit of trivia.
  
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  February 17, 2023 2:17pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    “Paused” for about 15 years before that too .
    
    Temps headed downwards from around 1940 to the mid 70s also (hence the now denied [by climate cult propagandists] global cooling scare of the 1970s). During that long period of cooling human activity originated Co2 ramped up massively. The human induced warming hypothesis is falsified by many many other things besides also.
    
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    February 17, 2023 8:11pm
Maggie Pie

HERALD PREMIUM.

Paywalled, but thort I’d share this bit with the group……

‘Countdown to a bombshell: The inside story of Jacinda’s resignation’

A few days after she resigned as PM, one of her staffers carried a large box from the Beehive to Ardern’s new office.

It was some of the millions of cards and letters Ardern had been sent since her announcement.

The staff had done one last job for their old boss.

The box only contained the good ones – the arseholes were not to get their due.

LOL!!
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February 17, 2023 8:11am
- Ruahine
  
  Millions.
  Oh Dear.
  
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  February 17, 2023 8:14am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Must be hard to carry something the size of a skip
    
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    February 17, 2023 9:51am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    I guess the ‘millions’ is from the item posted.
    The left have no concept of numbers!
    
    The difference between a billion and a trillion is three zeros.
    As zeros have no value, there is no extra cost.
    AOC.
    Yes she really did say it!
    
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    February 17, 2023 10:09am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Steve Otto – Shane Jones is still planting millions of trees…
      
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      February 17, 2023 11:33am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        They are washing away as quick as he is planting them, carry on Jonesy
        
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        February 17, 2023 12:20pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Are you sure? It could be trillions. He has no clue – except when it comes to who gets what money.
        
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        February 17, 2023 3:43pm
  - artemisia
    
    Staffers up all night carefully transferring to microfiche.
    
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    February 17, 2023 12:42pm
- Tony Stuart
  
  Well, well, well; Chris Hipkins was told, in person, before Christmas that Jacinda Ardern was almost certainly stepping down as PM; so much for all the expressions of surprise!
  
  Telling Chris Hipkins
  In the week before Christmas after Parliament rose, Chris Hipkins was asked to Premier House to see Ardern. Robertson and Nahna were also there.
  
  It was then Hipkins was first told she was thinking of leaving.
  
  Ardern used the words at that meeting that she would later use when announcing it publicly: “I’ve got nothing left in the tank.”
  
  Hipkins’ initial reaction was “a long silence”, one of them said.
  
  Hipkins asked her to put a number on the likelihood she would go. She replied “I’m 90 per cent of the way there.”
  
  There were no tears at that meeting. “It was a very calm kind of affair,” one said.
  
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/countdown-to-a-bombshell-the-inside-story-of-jacinda-arderns-resignation-and-the-rise-of-chris-hipkins/G3GPJENPPBEMRGZGXCMYGUMY34/
  
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  February 17, 2023 8:38am
  - Yabster
    
    Bloody obviously the transition was pre planned- I am sure the MSM will hold the childlike PM to account for the lies told…
    
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    February 17, 2023 8:42am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The MSM were part of the plan, they knew exactly what to say when the words came from Arderns mouth
      
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      February 17, 2023 9:54am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    And what about this bit…..
    
    “There were no tears at the meeting….it was a very calm affair.
    Although proceeding were often interrupted by Robertson, who had ruptured a disk in his back, often dropping to the floor to do stretches”
    
    😀 😀 😀
    
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    February 17, 2023 8:47am
    - Frank the tank
      
      “Robertson, who had ruptured a disk in his back, often dropping to the floor to do stretches”
      
      I just vomited in my mouth visualizing this scene……
      
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      February 17, 2023 9:07am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The MSM were part of the plan, they knew exactly what to say when the words came from Arderns mouth.
      
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      February 17, 2023 9:55am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    So the “sudden” resignation was yet another lie!
    Jesus Christ, NZ is sick of her lies.
    
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    February 17, 2023 9:01am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Hipkins is no better, suggesting he was surprised at the first mention of her retirement
      
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      February 17, 2023 12:21pm
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Agree. Also, remember all of his straight lies about Covid – from the Podium of Truth.
        
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        February 17, 2023 3:45pm
  - ClanMcleod
    
    “It was a very calm kind of affair,” – I’m picking the inside voice that didn’t come out was “thank fuck for that.”
    
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    February 17, 2023 9:11am
  - oldpark
    
    Some of the chat on Arderns outa here?Hipkins was in charge from last November? .Check out that story .
    I am sure I heard the comments on Newstalk ZB .
    
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    February 17, 2023 9:20am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Nothing left in the tank, word for word what Kwy said, even when giving advice to Hipkins “just be your self” word for word what Key said to English, this woman is so bloody false she is plastic, it’s sickening
    
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    February 17, 2023 9:53am
  - NZer In Exile
    
    The Labour party siphoned her gas?
    
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    February 17, 2023 8:13pm
- pdm
  
  `The box only contained the good ones – the arseholes were not to get their due.’
  
  No surprises there Maggie.
  
  Will she do what David Seymour did with the joint auction and personally acknowledge them all.
  
  Thought not – even though she has nothing else to do.
  
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  February 17, 2023 8:40am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    She has always had nothing to do except try and make her comments not sound like a lie.
    
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    February 17, 2023 9:02am
- sirknz
  
  I assume that they checked the cards for money and binned the rest.
  
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  February 17, 2023 10:56am
Nickc2

When is a Fairy Tale not a Fairy Tale?
Moses (Chippy) comes down from the mountain and hands his disciples a Stone Tablet stating: WE NEED TO GET SERIOUS ABOUT ROADS.
Without hesitation, Te MSM Aotearoa gathered their chid-like reporters with special emphasis on Te Reo Maori and embarked on a Govt funded crusade led by Willie Jackson to influence Mahuta-controlled Councils to get their orders into a Michael Wood and Julie-Anne Genta chaired Focus Group to prioritise the new Chippy-Roading against current Cycle Lanes, Transit Lanes, Gender Appropriate Crossings, and Trains-to-Nowhere Rapid Rail Systems. The Focus Group is to report back to Caucus by 2050.

The year is now 2050 and there has been no Report, the reason being any solution was impossible because all roading projects require large amounts of water and no viable solution could be reached with Mahuta Corp who owns all rights to Aotearoan Water having purchased these rights when 3Waters went into liquidation in 2024.

Chippy (now resembling Joe Biden in degrees of decrepidness) has once again come down (stumbled) from the mountain with another Stone Tablet. This one stating: WE WILL NOW HAVE A SNAP ELECTION TO ASCERTAIN WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT.
Needless to say, there was great rejoicing throughout the lands of New Zealand (formerly Aotearoa), Chippy lost the election and he, Willie Jackson, Julie-Anne Genta, and Grant Robertson all applied for Janitor’s jobs at the UN where Cindy Ardern is the Foreman Janitor of the New York Office.
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February 17, 2023 8:26am
Rusty

Its nearly a year since Russia invaded Ukraine. When the war started Boris Johnson, Scott Morrison, and Ardern were leaders of their countries and even the Queen was still alive.

A lot can happen in just 12 months – lets not forget the Wellington protests with another person now gone — Trevor Mallard.
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February 17, 2023 8:34am
- ClanMcleod
  
  Rusty – ducking for cover comes to mind. Sturgeon in Scotland gone. I give Trudeau 6 months.
  
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  February 17, 2023 10:31am
  - Rusty
    
    @Clan- agree
    
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    February 17, 2023 11:41am
- MCōs
  
  Putin, the guy who should be gone is still there.
  It’s a characteristic of leaders of totalitarian states.
  
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  February 17, 2023 4:40pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Not many people wanting the old highly radioactive cup of tea.
    
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    February 17, 2023 8:14pm
I remember when

Is it time to talk about an Emergency Coalition Government.
The postponement of the census.
A deferral of this year’s election.
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February 17, 2023 8:36am
- Ghost
  
  Why would the election be deferred?
  
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  February 17, 2023 9:19am
- kowtow
  
  You’re taking the piss , surely.
  
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  February 17, 2023 9:21am
- Nickc2
  
  NO! That’s akin to telling a School’s First XV that this Saturday, they will stand in for the School’s Third XV because the Thirds haven’t won a game this season.
  
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  February 17, 2023 9:34am
  - I remember when
    
    Much of the transport infrastructure of the Coromandel needs a rethink.
    The same with the East Coast region from the East Cape to at least south of Waipukurau.
    Major works in the North Auckland area.
    The future of the Upper North Island fruit and vegetable industries.
    Major decisions on where and whether housing and construction can be allowed.
    Serious consideration of the way that Forestry is run in the future.
    The fact that as much as two-thirds of New Zealand’s population will be subjected to serious financial loss.
    What are we going to do with what is going to be a massive increase in the number of people without housing now.
    Consideration of future communication and electricity supplies in natural disasters.
    Immigration needs to get the work done.
    
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    February 17, 2023 12:20pm
- RoboRob
  
  Labour must be over the moon. First they had the gift of COVID and now, when all appears lost, Chippie gets his own National disaster. Watch the polls shoot up for Labour. We could be looking at a third term labour govt.
  
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  February 17, 2023 10:14am
  - G152
    
    And watch the media suck the storm dry for weeks
    
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    February 17, 2023 10:38am
  - nathie
    
    It will turn to custard for Labour soon – people can’t put up without power, impassable roads, destroyed homes and residential areas, destroyed food growing industries, destroyed farming infrastructure, deaths, lack of early warning for the East Coast, no jobs to go to, no alternative places to be re-homed (thanks to Labour acquiring motels for people to stay in forever) ….
    
    Jacinda must be thanking her lucky stars she won’t be around to be dealing with the fallout of angry citizens …
    
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    February 17, 2023 12:23pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, they will be mid 40s
    
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    February 17, 2023 12:23pm
  - Nickc2
    
    Only if stupid people vote for the bastards eh?
    
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    February 17, 2023 2:08pm
Jimbob

Hipkins will have his box waiting Maggie.
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February 17, 2023 8:37am
Cinematic

If climate change and increased severe weather events is the future where is the improved infrastructure?

How is it successive governments have dribbled on and on about climate change yet delivered no improved flood protection and associated infrastructure?
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February 17, 2023 8:41am
- Drone
  
  They haven’t done anything to deliver improved flood protection and associate infrastructure @Cinematic because the policies they have introduced was supposed to fix the problem.. Get ready for more bleeding hearts from James Shaw and more taxes to fix the problem.
  
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  February 17, 2023 9:57am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    James Shaw spouts nonsense and disappears again.
    I’m all right Jack, get your hands off my BMW.
    
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    February 17, 2023 10:24am
- Rich Prick
  
  We’ve been buying EVs, churning wind farms, planting trees, paying the ute tax and taking the bus, and we still get weather. I think we’ve been sold a pup.
  
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  February 17, 2023 10:13am
- Prince
  
  National had planned (and started) several ‘Roads of National Significance”, but Labour cancelled them where possible, turned up for the expensive opening ceremonies for the ones they couldn’t cancel, borrowed $100B and spent the money on consultants, friends and relatives, ‘Road to Zero’ puff pieces (how prophetic was that catchphrase now), dreams of light rail and extra cycle lanes on bridges, creating apartheid Health and Education systems, and a host of other useless projects.
  Now they’ve been caught out they will try to impress us all with their new agenda to borrow even more to hire consultants to figure out what roads are needed.
  But I expect the closet Labourites to turn up with ‘Luxon needs to grow a pair and do what I want’ trolling.
  
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  February 17, 2023 11:13am
  - Cinematic
    
    Yep, I like a good road, a road through a tunnel is even better.
    
    Mr Mapp talks climate change at least as well as James Shaw. I’m wondering if Wayne can point to a single piece of infrastructure delivered by his government that has lessened the impact of Gabrielle?
    
    Is it not a fact that central and local government has failed in their duty to protect the people of Hawkes Bay and Gisborne?
    
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    February 17, 2023 11:33am
  - lifesgood
    
    Prince, you are so right. I am beginning to think that all the so called National supporters on here constantly bleating about Luxon not doing exactly as they want are actually Labour trolls. They sound like babies spitting their dummies. It’s getting tiresome.
    
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    February 17, 2023 11:41am
    - nathie
      
      Almost of “Harry and Meagan” whinging like proportions!
      
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      February 17, 2023 12:25pm
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      We don’t bleat about Luxon at all, we don’t care who the leader is. The only people bleating about Luxon is ACT voters, go figure
      
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      February 17, 2023 12:29pm
- Chris Nisbet
  
  The world has spent ~$4 trillion of on trying to fix climate change, reducing FF usage by a remarkable (/s) ~3%, and achieved absolutely nothing.
  Imagine if all of that money had been spent on useful things.
  The politicians doing this to us are not our friends.
  
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  February 17, 2023 2:26pm
pdm

I saw on the Stuff Quick Quiz this morning that the mythical place Aotearoa is holding a Census on 7 March.

Made me wonder if New Zealand was too.
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February 17, 2023 8:42am
- Random T Person
  
  They can shove their census; love from a parliament Protester (use of caps intentional).
  
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  February 17, 2023 8:46am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    All that does is less funding goes to your area
    
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    February 17, 2023 12:30pm
    - kowtow
      
      Bollocks.
      
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      February 17, 2023 5:14pm
- Biscuit
  
  If you did the Quiz I did, pdm, you’ll chuckle when I tell you I said ‘FTFAJ’ and quit after getting Q 1 wrong…
  
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  February 17, 2023 8:51am
  - pdm
    
    I see what you mean Biscuit.
    
    Rumour has it that the only beneficiary of `RANDOM ACTS OF KINDNESS’ you indulge in is that bloody cat.
    
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    February 17, 2023 9:06am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  R. T. Rower does not give a shit about Ngati Pakeha living in New Zealand
  
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  February 17, 2023 9:11am
Simon

Key Or Rrra, A A-Tear Row A. [Mod – use correct names]

Things have been hectic here at National Party HQ. Hipkins taking over has thrown out of the window all our planning and policies. Rest assured NZ we are very busy reassessing what is best for my election chances.

In the meantime I continue to travel up and down the country talking with ordinary kiwis. I was in the fine city of Palmerston North the other day. Fine good hard-working people of Palmerston North. I was talking with a café owner who couldn’t find anyone to pay minimum wage to work as chief in his café to cook bacon and eggs. Badly let down by Labour policies This must not stand.. As your next Prime Minister, I promise to undertake central government planning based on anecdotal stories I hear up and down the country.
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February 17, 2023 8:42am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  If you don’t listen, you fail like Labour has
  
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  February 17, 2023 12:32pm
Jimbob

The recent podium of truth showings have been amateurish. Hipkins looks lost, head down, showing no emotion. Eyes vacant.
It’s a tragedy what has happened, La Niña brings down cyclones to New Zealand, combined with the Tongan eruption adding more water vapour to the atmosphere, flooding was the outcome. Upkeep of roads and other infrastructure is critical, however this government has neglected both.
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February 17, 2023 8:42am
- NothingLeft
  
  The volume of water in the atmosphere attributable to the tongan volcano a year later is zero, upper atmosphere just can’t hold any significant amounts of water (too cold, it condenses out and falls), and residence time in atmosphere at lower levels is very short. Possible it contributed to ongoing La Nina conditions, and some high altitude ash may have cooled things a little during year.
  
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  February 17, 2023 10:14am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Well, the experts stated during the Aussie floods a few months back exactly the same thing
    
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    February 17, 2023 12:36pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  This Govt has neglected both.
  But Waka Coathanger have nice offices with water coolers and TVs, hand sanitisers. Tea/coffee trollies?
  
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  February 17, 2023 10:28am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He is doing like Ardern, he has the NENZ jacket on and gum boots Grrrrrr, I never remember Key during the earthquakes wearing SERA clothing, what is it with these try hards
  
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  February 17, 2023 12:35pm
Random T Person

All the world’s a stage · And all the men and women merely players; · They have their exits and their entrances…
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February 17, 2023 8:45am
Biscuit

Kiwiblog’s Steve will think I have a vendetta against him, heh, but I see that parts of Scotland and north-east England have been warned to brace for disruption from high winds and rain as Storm Otto approaches the UK, which could pose ‘injuries and danger to life’.
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February 17, 2023 8:47am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Storm named after me? I am famous LOL
  
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  February 17, 2023 9:10am
I remember when

The Esk Valley flood of April 1938:
This event lasted three days, bringing a metre of rain from Kotemaori to the watershed of the Tutaekuri river.
Parts of Napier, Clive and Hastings were flooded up to a metre deep.
The level of Lake Tutira rose by three metres after more than 300 mm of rain in 14 hours.
Worst hit was the Esk Valley, where the river rose 10 metres in one stretch.
Fifity-four bridges were washed away or severely damaged.
So much sediment washed into the river that the Esk Valley was left covered in silt one to three metres deep when floodwaters subsided.
Once the silt consolidated on farmland, new fences were installed; some posts were on top of the old buried posts.
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February 17, 2023 8:57am
- NothingLeft
  
  Very interesting – showing as usual that real issue is short span of human memory, not ‘climate change’.
  
  Would it be sensible to build upstream debris funnels into bridges in areas prone to lots of slips – to stop it getting caught on the decks?
  
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  February 17, 2023 10:19am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Brother in law had a vineyard in Hastings. Wonder if it got flooded, it was made on an old river pan.
  Wine price increase? The harvest has not yet begun. Usually late March, but some varieties left until late May for desert wines.
  
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  February 17, 2023 10:32am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  It’s all good, Hipkins going yo look at damage and report back this is worse
  
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  February 17, 2023 12:37pm
Maggie Pie

See there’s been no mention of the perps ethnicity.
$tuff now calling for public to help in identifying offender.
If they offer a reward I might email them.

https://twitter.com/NZStuff/status/1626287948588273664
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February 17, 2023 9:03am
- Local Miller
  
  These busses all have video cameras, surely they have the footage.
  
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  February 17, 2023 9:14am
- 3-coil
  
  Maggie – perp was probably a member of one of the many far-right, white supremacist gangs running amok in Tamaki Makaurau/Aotearoa. It doesn’t really need to be mentioned when it is so obvious.
  
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  February 17, 2023 9:33am
  - Maggie Pie
    
    YIP YIP …..Could well be right 3C
    In fact you should contact: aucklandnewsroom@stuff.co.nz
    They’d be happy to report that 😀
    
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    February 17, 2023 11:01am
Littletramp

So China currently holds about 65% of the worlds mineral refining capacity, after a 20 year, well publicised push to develop this deliberate resource strategy.
Sourcing resource will be a crucial part of any energy transition effort going forward. That share is larger than OPEC ever held of the oil refining capacity.
Is it any wonder why the US now wants us to believe China are “bad” and pushing the western world into conflict with China? This is the Middle East all over again.

Another thought for the day wrt the “Greens”. If they want to transition to renewable energy (which is basically a transition from liquid & gas energy to solids/metals energy i.e lithium, cobalt, nickel, copper, rare earths etc), where the hell is the mining that will be required going to be allowed to source the metals if they (Greens & many naive others) are against mining anywhere on the planet?
This 45 minute presentation is non political reality regards the energy aspirations we are being sold.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgOEGKDVvsg
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February 17, 2023 9:04am
godruelf

Looks like Elon Musk comes out about even after the floods. Starlink a real positive and great technology in action in the isolated regions. Tesla EVs not so good. Although wasn’t there a suggestion at one stage you could use the batteries to power the house.
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February 17, 2023 9:07am
- I remember when
  
  Tesla’s and other EV had negatives and positives during the flood.
  Many were able to retain a semblance of ‘normal’ living by using their cars as an energy source.
  In Wairoa you were able to buy $40 worth of petrol, enough to let you drive to the petrol station, sit in a queue, fill up and drive home again.
  
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  February 17, 2023 9:59am
- rangitoto
  
  Or a good old diesel powered generator.
  
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  February 17, 2023 10:13am
- ClanMcleod
  
  godruelf – that’s what powers our house.
  
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  February 17, 2023 10:39am
- Matt Long
  
  What came through for us was a local company that didn’t get billions in corporate welfare to set up an impeccably reliable internet network. They were our only communication for 3 days, Voice over WIFI worked fine.
  https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/slow-progress-made-on-northland-telco-glitch/CYYSGYUMB5CZZIZM3PYTIEUOHA/
  
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  February 17, 2023 11:15am
- info@cruzpro.com
  
  We did use our EV battery to power parts of the house. A 2KW 12VDC to 220VAC pure sinewave inverter enabled us to power lights and a slow cooker to bake a chicken. Could have also kept the fridge running but didn’t need to since power came back on after a while.
  
  The EV’s 40Kw battery kept the 12V battery charged while it was powering the inverter.
  
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  February 17, 2023 11:48am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    I assume your EV wasn’t under six feet of water
    
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    February 17, 2023 7:34pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Probably a HELL of a lot cheaper to buy a few deep cycle batteries and keep them charged up for emergencies.
    
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    February 17, 2023 8:19pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBKz61MrY3o

Fired Twitter Execs to be arrested for Censorship.

Fired Twitter Executives who tried and
failed to silence and suppress Patriots
were in the hot seat yesterday answering
for how they allowed Twitter to
basically become a subsidiary of the FBI
and other government agencies that
wanted to censor voices that went
against the regime’s narrative. [11:44]
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February 17, 2023 9:12am
- NothingLeft
  
  No one in Big Tech is going to be arrested for censorship or 1st amendment violations in USA, there are too many political partisans in the US justice system to ever allow such action to proceed – and too many powerful rich interests that would intercede to prevent it even if there was a strong prima facie case.
  
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  February 17, 2023 10:25am
  - curry4me
    
    Probably not. Well, not until there is a Republican in the WH again. Maybe not even then.
    
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    February 17, 2023 8:01pm
curry4me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE6bMJMFPao

What Happened After the Protests in China? – The Dark Truth Leaked.

What happened after the big protests in China? The truth is dark. [Hint, the presitaor didn’t resign, and the CCP is still in charge. 11:01]
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February 17, 2023 9:12am
Stellaboxer

Just heard Hosking tell us that if we believe in excess death statistics we’re “ looking at the wrong web sites” and tomorrow he’s going to tell us why! This is going to be very interesting. How he’s going to attempt to convince us that government stats are just a conspiracy we’ll be fun. He really does seem to suffer from cognitive dissidence when it comes to the vaccines. There appears to me to be a desperate scramble on the part of certain pharmaceutical companies to use any and all of their influence to suffocate any type of discussion or media scrutiny of their products and behaviour around the mRNA vaccines. Not that I’m connecting the two, that would be a ridiculous conspiracy.
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February 17, 2023 9:19am
- Inandout
  
  Stella, look at who owns the ZB network (NZME) and work it out. He has always been pro jab from early covid days, not sure of the endless boosters though.
  
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  February 17, 2023 10:23am
  - Stellaboxer
    
    In and out My point exactly.
    
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    February 17, 2023 1:35pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    “Stella, look at who owns the ZB network (NZME.”
    
    Yep. All roads lead too Rome unfortunately.
    
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    February 17, 2023 1:49pm
- Cinematic
  
  Hosking also suffers from cognitive dissonance when it comes to the real estate market. Auckland City down 25.3% year on year. Apparently that’s no worries.
  
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  February 17, 2023 11:36am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    He said it is no worries if like him you don’t sell
    
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    February 17, 2023 12:53pm
Maggie's partner

In charge of our roads – Wata JokeAreWe
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February 17, 2023 9:22am
- pdm
  
  Mags Partner – I always wondered what the English translation was.
  
  Thanks.
  
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  February 17, 2023 1:33pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

This past week I have not been able to relay posts from Stop Co-Governance due to the power outage last Monday. Bit
hard on a cellphone – I am used to having about 5 windows open on the laptop or desktop. I did find out how to copy and paste but it was hard having only one screen, then having to open New Tab and get back to Kiwiblog.
Anyway, for those who would like to check:
http://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi
There is a lot going on. The first meeting on the road tour have started.
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February 17, 2023 9:23am
I remember when

Are we about to learn what the outcome could be if we reduce our dairy herd ?
How much effect will the disruption of milking and loss of feed have on production be this year.
How many herds will have to be dried off early.
Add to this the number of stock that have been lost to drowning.
Traditionally the Hawke’s Bay Apple Harvest runs from mid-February to late April.
So in some districts it could be a total loss of harvest.
So we will lose income and overseas funds and have greatly increased expediture.
What effect will the cyclone outcomes have on the battle against inflation.
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February 17, 2023 9:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Those who want this reduction have no idea that farming is a business, whether it is cows or apples or other like lamb, beef, wool etc.
  Farming is a PRIMARY INDUSTRY. They want exports reduced by 20%.
  
  Oh, never mind, the left will never understand and come to the debating table.
  Fuck.
  
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  February 17, 2023 10:57am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Not only do they think they are not a business, they can’t work out why they don’t pay tax on 100 % of revenue and not just the profits
    
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    February 17, 2023 12:56pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Income is income, outcome is bills going out. GST is an example.
      I don’t know how Tax is addressed on farming, but stock is low at Tax time in an engineering business. Besides all the other Tax, you pay Tax on what is in stock. Steel in the rack for example is a big one.
      
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      February 17, 2023 4:01pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Beards will have to be dried off now, many can’t get too them, in the south we are in drought, but the milking shave dropped to once a day in many areas
  
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  February 17, 2023 12:55pm
tedbear

How amazing is Earth’s climate system.
Apparently, so we’re informed, 3.2% of all the CO2 in the atmosphere is warming the planet.

I’ve yet to find an explanation on what the remaining 96.8% is up there for. Can anyone assist me?
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February 17, 2023 9:41am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Yeah, there is a bit of oxygen to keep us alive.
  Is oxygen in the atmosphere warming the planet?
  
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  February 17, 2023 10:59am
ClanMcleod

From the State Surgeon General in Florida:

Health Alert on mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine Safety

The State Surgeon General is notifying the health care sector and public of a substantial increase in Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) reports from Florida after the COVID-19 vaccine rollout.

In Florida alone, there was a 1,700% increase in VAERS reports after the release of the COVID-19 vaccine, compared to an increase of 400% in overall vaccine administration for the same time period.

The reporting of life-threatening conditions increased over 4,400%. This is a novel increase and was not seen during the 2009 H1N1 vaccination campaign. There is a need for additional unbiased research to better understand the COVID-19 vaccines’ short- and long-term effects.

No shit Sherlock. But in NZ? “It’s safe and effective” and we give it to children who are at statistically zero risk from covid.

We also know for a FACT that natural immunity is far better than the jab (which gives negative efficacy) and natural immunity won’t kill you or injure you which the jab can and does.

The findings in Florida are consistent with various studies that continue to uncover such risks. To further evaluate this, the Surgeon General wrote a letter to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) illustrating the risk factors associated with the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines and emphasizing the need for additional transparency.

https://www.floridahealth.gov/newsroom/2023/02/20230215-updated-health-alert.pr.html

We know Labour, the Greens and the Maori Party will point blank refuse to acknowledge any of the many negative outcomes from the “vaccine” and the moronic interventions imposed on us over the last 3 years, but where are the opposition????

How can it be possible that not a single one out of 121 so called “representatives” has ever spoken out about the elephant in the room? This mammoth is getting bigger by the week, sooner or later somebody will surely take notice?
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February 17, 2023 9:45am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Baaaaaa! Those 121 are sheep.
  
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  February 17, 2023 11:16am
I remember when

Michael Fowler: Esk Valley’s April flooding nightmare:
Between 16-20 inches (40 to 51 cms) fell in the Esk Valley.
The event became known as the Esk Valley flood.
When Piet Van Asch, founder of Aerial Mapping, took to the skies, he observed two-thirds of the area between Eskdale and Paki Paki under water.
Scinde Island (Napier Hill) was jutting out over the countryside which was almost a continous sheet of water.
Clive was covered by floodwaters when the Ngaruroro overflowed its banks.
Napier became isolated when the Waitangi Bridge, over the Tutaekuri River, sank in the middle after its centre piles were washed away.
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February 17, 2023 9:48am
- fightingtemeraire
  
  When Napier conquered Scind he is reported to have sent a one word message ” Peccavi” I have Sinned!!!
  
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  February 17, 2023 10:19am
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    One of history’s great puns
    
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    February 17, 2023 7:38pm
greybeard

NewstalkZB “Week on Demand” at 6:07am today.
Listen to Hosking absolutely rip into Hipkins as a hypocrite and for being useless.
He was ruthless. Great stuff.
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February 17, 2023 10:12am
thirteenstars

Succinct article from Spiked about why Sturgeon was so destructive for Scotland and why she had to go; a couple of lowlights:

Most pernicious of all has been Sturgeon’s targeting of family life. The staggeringly misnamed Children (Equal Protection from Assault) (Scotland) Act 2020 made it a criminal offence for parents to administer even the lightest of physical discipline to their children. Though often described as the ‘smacking ban’, it makes even a tap on the hand or the bottom an act of criminal assault. Government guidelines tell Scots who witness such ‘abuse’ to contact the police. Primary-school children are told, by government-produced leaflets, to rat out their parents to an adult they can trust (who ‘might be a teacher… a nurse or a police officer’).

Still, the smacking ban is positively trivial in its intrusiveness compared with the SNP’s failed plan to have state officials spy on every family home. The Named Person scheme set out to monitor the ‘happiness’ and ‘wellbeing’ of every child in Scotland. To do this, a ‘named person’, with or without parents’ knowledge or consent, would compile dossiers on the minutiae of every child’s life – including matters as trivial as when a child is not consulted about what she wants to watch on TV, or how her bedroom is decorated – to share with various state authorities.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/02/16/nicola-sturgeon-a-world-leader-in-illiberalism
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February 17, 2023 10:16am
rangitoto

Anyone heard from Maggy W? I hope all is well on Kaiti hill.
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February 17, 2023 10:17am
- cmm
  
  “Hill” should mean she’s safe, but I suspect she’s out there up to her armpits helping others.
  
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  February 17, 2023 10:43am
Widogast Corwin

The irony.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/131249295/cyclone-gabrielle-roading-network-rethink-on-the-cards–pm

The PM wants New Zealand roads with “greater resilience”. This from a Government that diverted more than half of petrol excise and RUCs to public transport and cycleways.

Guess what countries can have good roads? Rich countries. Guess which government is making New Zealand poorer? This Government.
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February 17, 2023 10:29am
- nathie
  
  It’s a joke all right, both Labour and the Greens bang on for years about reducing cow farts, building cycleways (making roads more dangerous) oh and cycle way harbour bridges, taxing car buyers … which will do nothing at the end of the day to halt CC … and when the answer all along is “greater resilience”.
  
  Now LabGreens are joining on the “opportunity knocks” bandwagon (pretty sure National/ACT first raised these ideas years ago)!
  
  Which is a win-win cost/budget wise, and something practical for people, transport and communities.
  
  So come on National and ACT, take the initiative and talk about “resilience” (and give the younger generations hope … after being depressed by Lab/Greens “global warming/rising seas/catastrophic temperature rises” rhetoric over the last 10 or so years) and put Labour/Green’s ridiculous plans in the scrap heap (after all LabGreens can’t fund BOTH narratives)!
  
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  February 17, 2023 12:37pm
Maggie Pie

“You can judge a society and it’s moral progress by how it treats is animals”

– Mahatma Gandy.

This is sooo f-ing sick!!
Could you eat something that’s still alive while watching it die?

The do in CHYNAHHH….
No human race has less respect for the planet or for animals 🙁

https://twitter.com/songpinganq/status/1625387648213712896
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February 17, 2023 10:30am
kevn

@Maggie… Imagine the noise it would make, if it could.
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February 17, 2023 10:33am
- Maggie Pie
  
  Or if it could….. swear.
  
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  February 17, 2023 10:39am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

YOU KNOW FOLKS, I never cared that you were gay, until you started shoving it down my throat, and I never cared what colour you were, until you started blaming me for your problems, and I never cared about you political affiliation, until you started condemning me for mine. I never really cared where you were born, until you wanted to erase my history, and blame my ancestors for your problems. You know I never even cared if your beliefs were different from mine, until you said my beliefs were wrong, but now I care, my patience and tolerance are gone, and I am not alone in feeling this, there are millions of us who feel like this.
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February 17, 2023 10:46am
- crikey
  
  So true Steve. Great post. A thousand upticks.
  
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  February 17, 2023 12:14pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Copy and paste, I am not the author.
    It explains the ‘not my fault’ and control wanks to a tee.
    
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    February 17, 2023 4:18pm
- MCōs
  
  Who’s been shoving what down your throat, Steve??
  
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  February 17, 2023 1:29pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    [Mod – deleted, no need for that]
    
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    February 17, 2023 2:19pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    If I mentioned who, I would get banned.
    You work it out, it is not hard to think.
    
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    February 17, 2023 4:19pm
- NZer In Exile
  
  Whoever wrote that has absolutely nailed the current insane world we currently find ourselves in!!!
  
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  February 17, 2023 8:23pm
Handyman

As Spock would say “it is not logical captain”.
Labour (and the left in general) firmly believes that global warming will increase weather impacts.
Yet they do absolutely nothing to prepare for (in their minds) the inevitable events to come.
— They pay millions to connect windmills yet leave substations on floodplains.
— They spend millions on battery car subsidies and let them contribute nothing to road maintenance yet build roads with inevitable slips and bridges with little flood clearance.
— They spend millions on windmills to capture of all the future wind yet do not remove trees near overhead wires.
— They spend millions on a battery Cook Straight ferry but don’t use the existing ferry to transport truckloads of food and generators to Gisborne. Why haven’t Gisborne and Napier ports been provisioned with suitable wharf facilities for these “inevitable” weather events?
…and of course they mandate battery cars but ban mining for the metals required to build them.

It almost like they haven’t thought this through. Or perhaps they are hypocritical virtue signalers.
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February 17, 2023 10:48am
- Nickc2
  
  If I didn’t know any better Handyman, I’d think you’re referring to our current Govt and their Green mates eh.
  Well said!
  
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  February 17, 2023 10:57am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Whoever it is, “they” must be copying NZ Govt…..
    
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    February 17, 2023 11:41am
cas

I suppose it’s too much for Labour to ask John Key, Bill English and Gerry Brownlee for advice on how they masterminded the Chch recovery or even Kaikoura
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February 17, 2023 10:54am
- crikey
  
  No point, cas. They (Labour of course) wouldn’t understand.
  
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  February 17, 2023 12:16pm
- MCōs
  
  The politicians don’t mastermind anything.
  They delegate the work to the professionals in the various fields and dish out the money. Change some regulations.
  Once the politicians start telling them how to do their job they just get in the way.
  
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  February 17, 2023 12:32pm
  - Libertarians are right
    
    Exactly. Which is why most of us here believe in less Government.
    
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    February 17, 2023 12:52pm
Yvette

“3 Waters” is drinking water, waste water and STORM WATER

Can anyone of authority from Labour explain how the Water Services Entities Bill, legislation now passed into law, will address the storm waters of Auckland and East Coast?

How does it differ from what the councils have done to date and how does the fucking Treaty of Waitangi and Mana o te Wai Statements fit into it? – if you understand the drift of this comment (like, sense a little anger?)
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February 17, 2023 10:59am
- Drone
  
  Ah @Yvette, (simpering) under 3 Waters the flooding in Auckland and Hawkes Bay would not have happened because the maori god of rain (there must be one) would have redirected the clouds out into the ocean for a cost../sarc
  
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  February 17, 2023 2:57pm
NothingLeft

The realities of chinese demographic collapse:
https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/119699/yi-fuxian-foresees-humanitarian-crisis-china-mid-century-owing-low-fertility
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February 17, 2023 11:04am
- NeverMindTheBollocks
  
  No worries. Loads of Africans will want to migrate to China, right?
  
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  February 17, 2023 7:44pm
pdm

What is going on at Hastings Civil Defence Headquarter?.

About an hour ago I called at Hastings Civil Defence Headquarters to volunteer our 18 year old grandson as a volunteer to help with the clean up. I was referred to the Ministry of Maori Development Office (aka Te Puni Kokiri).

WHY – this is a Hawkes Bay Civil Defence disaster!!!

It is not a Maori Disaster although they will be affected like every other Hawkes Bay citizen.

Note; Grandson has been working for an orchard owning company but will almost certainly lose his job as they have only 28acres from about 250 acres of orchard left standing.
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February 17, 2023 11:15am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

John Fetterman hospitalised. I really think he should resign. Poor guy had a stroke and other things like pacemaker implant. His health is bad, he can hardly speak.
https://valiantnews.com/2023/02/john-fetterman-hospitalized-for-clinical-depression/
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February 17, 2023 11:21am
- All_on_Red
  
  The Penn Governor will probably appoint Fettermans wife as Senator
  
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  February 17, 2023 12:04pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING…..

NZX:MFB @ 35c today.
The smart money took the Buck-85 and ran.

Not silly 😀
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February 17, 2023 11:23am
slightlyrighty

https://youtu.be/UPLQNUVmq3o

Why the woke will never take over
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February 17, 2023 11:25am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Aggressive scent????
  That idiot needs his lights blown out – behind the woodshed!
  
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  February 17, 2023 11:50am
Ghost

The family of Bruce Willis has announced the actor is suffering from a form of dementia called frontotemporal dementia, or FTD for short.

In a statement shared Thursday (US time), his family stated that while the news “is painful, it is a relief to finally have a clear diagnosis.”

“Today there are no treatments for the disease, a reality that we hope can change in the years ahead. As Bruce’s condition advances, we hope that any media attention can be focused on shining a light on this disease that needs far more awareness and research,” the statement said.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/entertainment/2023/02/bruce-willis-family-reveal-he-has-an-untreatable-dementia.html
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February 17, 2023 11:31am
Ghost

Interesting video, does AI need a bit more time to smooth out the edges of Biden’s head and jacket?

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/02/16/us/biden-china-balloon-ufo
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February 17, 2023 11:37am
BeaB

Takeaways from Herald article about Ardern’s resignation.
Ardern kept telling us lies right up till the last moment.
Unlike Sir John Key who ‘left nothing in the tank’ having given it his all, she had ‘nothing left in the tank’ , suggesting it was a small tank to start with.
She loved overseas travel but couldn’t face things like the economy turning sour this year.
She really was a show pony who loved the limelight and adulation but not the hard graft.
No wonder the country is in the poo after five years of Ardern the Quitter.
It’s a pity the whole incompetent Labour crowd didn’t hoof it with her.
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February 17, 2023 12:27pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

FB. Something to think about:
The most powerful Governments on Earth cant keep a virus from spreading, but they say they will change the Earth’s temperature if you pay more taxes.
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February 17, 2023 12:55pm
Doc Holliday

Weather is the climate system moving energy around. More energy in the climate system means worse weather.

How many extreme weather events do you want before you start thinking for yourselves? Or start learning?

Hey, geniuses, show me what’s wrong in this book:

https://www.amazon.com/Principles-Planetary-Climate-Raymond-Pierrehumbert/dp/0521865565

“This book introduces the reader to all the basic physical building blocks of climate needed to understand the present and past climate of Earth, the climates of Solar System planets, and the climates of extrasolar planets. These building blocks include thermodynamics, infrared radiative transfer, scattering, surface heat transfer and various processes governing the evolution of atmospheric composition. Nearly four hundred problems are supplied to help consolidate the reader’s understanding, and to lead the reader towards original research on planetary climate. This textbook is invaluable for advanced undergraduate or beginning graduate students in atmospheric science, Earth and planetary science, astrobiology, and physics. It also provides a superb reference text for researchers in these subjects, and is very suitable for academic researchers trained in physics or chemistry who wish to rapidly gain enough background to participate in the excitement of the new research opportunities opening in planetary climate”
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February 17, 2023 12:59pm
- NothingLeft
  
  You have, through repeated assertion of things you ‘know’ that simply aren’t true (the whole millennialist narrative used to frighten children into paying for the luxury lifestyles of the doomster priesthood), established that nothing to say on the matter is remotely worth listening to. Links included.
  
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  February 17, 2023 1:14pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Hey [Mod – unnecessary]
  
  How many times do you have to be shown that the Frequency and Intensity of severe Weather Events is not increasing.
  You’re such a Science Denier
  ‘[D]ata for all year 2022 tropical storms shows that global wide, storms were at their lowest strength levels in the last 42 years (since 1981) as shown by the ACE (Accumulated Cyclone Energy reflecting the combined frequency, intensity and duration of all storms) data below from Colorado State University’s Department of Atmospheric Science which tracks NOAA’s National Hurricane Center tropical storm data.’
  https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/01/extreme-weather-events-declining.php
  
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  February 17, 2023 1:30pm
- Master Mariner
  
  Yep, Ill give it a pop.
  
  Till they understand the climate Science behind,
  
  1. Earths Magnetic poles shifting,
  2. The movemnent of the inner core ,
  3. The 3 dimensional movement of the Oceans and currents.
  
  Until this is settled, Then everything else is a BIG guess.
  Trying too understand The link to climate change costs lives,
  Understanding meteorology saves lives.
  
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  February 17, 2023 2:21pm
  - Master Mariner
    
    “Weather is the climate system moving energy around. More energy in the climate system”.
    Does not make any sense.
    The last time I looked, Climate is regarded as 30+ years.
    Weather and climate are 2 totally different beasts and therefore unconpairable.
    
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    February 17, 2023 2:25pm
- ClanMcleod
  
  Doc – you got this. Here, looks like somebody agrees with you……
  
  Rising Seas Threaten to Wipe Entire Nations Off the Map, UN Chief Warns
  
  https://dailysceptic.org/2023/02/15/rising-seas-threaten-to-wipe-entire-nations-off-the-map-un-chief-warns/
  
  It’s the UN guy, it must be true……..
  
  Just one question, Al Gore told me we were all going to be underwater by 2015. I was hoping to be beach front by now but it hasn’t moved an inch. Any updates when you think this is all going to happen? So far all of the doomsayers have been completely and utterly wrong in everything they’ve predicted.
  
  They’re nearly as bad at “experting” as Michael Baker and Shaun Hendy for goodness sake…….
  Haven’t those 2 been awfully quiet lately!
  
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  February 17, 2023 2:53pm
Manu-Rau

Is anyone here prepared to bet that marae won’t be given priority over roads and other infrastructure when the circus of racist clowns that calls itself a Government starts dishing out funding for repairs?
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February 17, 2023 1:08pm
- Inandout
  
  mR, maraes during the plague were given something like $90 million for ‘upgrading and signage’. You will note all maraes now have dark red signs on the roadside.
  
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  February 17, 2023 2:14pm
  - MCōs
    
    Not the one near me.
    Furthermore
    I don’t know who will get funding from who, but marae are invaluable as emergency accommodation with in many cases industrial sized kitchens and sleeping room for many people.
    
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    February 17, 2023 4:27pm
    - Maggie Pie
      
      I’ve been in the Maori-Meeting-House at the Auckland Museum.
      From memory it can sleep more than a hundred.
      The thing that struck me….no toilet 🙁
      
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      February 17, 2023 5:16pm
    - Manu-Rau
      
      Yes, no doubt they will use that excuse to dole out taxpayers’ money to the favoured few.
      
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      February 17, 2023 7:37pm
The Boss

Hooten on again about an early election. (not read though, paywalled). But Slater claims it is impossible, Hipkins will have to convince governor-general he has lost the support of parliament.
Who is right here?
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February 17, 2023 1:21pm
- DimChappie
  
  Slater is wrong. The PM can call an early election on a whim if he/she wants to:
  
  https://dpmc.govt.nz/our-business-units/cabinet-office/supporting-work-cabinet/cabinet-manual/6-elections-transitions-6
  
  6,63 In some circumstances, a Prime Minister may decide that it is desirable to advise the Governor-General to call an early election. In accordance with convention, the Governor-General will act on the advice as long as the government appears to have the confidence of the House and the Prime Minister maintains support as the leader of that government.
  
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  February 17, 2023 3:56pm
  - The Boss
    
    Thank you Chappie
    
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    February 17, 2023 4:32pm
  - Loddenthinks
    
    “Slater is wrong.”
    
    Indeed.
    
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    February 17, 2023 8:24pm
- MCōs
  
  The last snap election was called by National in 1984, which they lost.
  The public would see one here as opportunistic and down the gurgler would go Labour.
  If the GG stood in the way there would be a constitutional crisis.
  
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  February 17, 2023 4:18pm
The Redbaiter

nathie- “there is NO way the Greens will ever go with National!”

I disagree for the following 2 reasons-

1) Under Luxon/Willis the Nats are going to be far more green left than ever before and therefore less objectionable to the Greens and,

2) providing they could smokescreen it well enough, the grifters racists and communists who make up the Green Party would soon throw their so called “principles” to the wind for the few extra dollars a seat at the govt table would earn them.
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February 17, 2023 1:26pm
- slightlyrighty
  
  James Shaw might have, and still might just to piss off the party faithful that keep shafting him!
  
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  February 17, 2023 1:44pm
- nathie
  
  Thx at least you are prepared to come up with decent reasons in reply!
  
  Can’t see it happening myself (could even split National supporters and donors if that happened) but we will see I guess.
  
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  February 17, 2023 2:05pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Two of these FB things that may not work. Daytona 500 in 2020.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=2550057175235135

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=saved&v=1066927023667849
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February 17, 2023 1:31pm
Maggie Pie

Took my partner’s mum for lunch earlier then we went for a drive around the waterfront and up around Parnell way.
The sheer number of road-workers and council staff out there is amazing. In some areas the storm damage done over the last few weeks is obviously quite daunting.

Ma was worried what’s likely to happen in the short to medium term. She reckoned from what she could see, the vast majority of the maintenance-crews didn’t look to her like they’d be all that skilled these days.

Just saying.
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February 17, 2023 2:46pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  Ma … reckoned … the maintenance-crews didn’t look … all that skilled.
  
  Give her a bloody shovel instead of a knife…
  
  Just saying.
  
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  February 17, 2023 4:59pm
  - Maggie Pie
    
    You’re not that same guy outta ‘Brokeback Mountain’ are ya Doc? 😛
    
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    February 17, 2023 5:20pm
    - Doc Holliday
      
      You’d be safe with me.
      
      And your partner.
      
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      February 17, 2023 6:02pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Not if you’re flying
        LOL
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idMa4a6eA9M
        What an idiot
        
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        February 17, 2023 7:57pm
ClanMcleod

Australia’s Drug Regulator Hid Child Vaccine Deaths to “Maintain Public Confidence”

Australia’s drug regulator hid vaccine deaths from the public, concerned that “disclosure could undermine public confidence”, it has been revealed.

The hidden deaths include two children, seven and nine years old, who both suffered fatal cardiac arrests which the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) assessed as causally linked to Covid vaccination,

The revelations come in documents obtained under Freedom of Information (FOI) request by Dr. Melissa McCann. Dr McCann shared the shocking revelation in her address at the Covid Vaccine Conference, hosted by Clive Palmer’s United Australia Party over the weekend in Brisbane, Melbourne and Sydney. The event featured leading ICU physician Dr. Pierre Kory, cardiologist and epidemiologist Dr. Peter McCullough, and McCullough’s collaborator, author John Leake.

https://dailysceptic.org/2023/02/15/australias-drug-regulator-hid-child-vaccine-deaths-to-maintain-public-confidence/

No surprises. The same thing is happening in NZ. Anyone presenting with injuries asking if it is jab related is actively discouraged from going anywhere near that particular elephant in the room.
The people they asking about this are the same people who gave them the jab in the first place. They don’t want to acknowledge it. Funny that.

I know a number of people who are injured and getting absolutely zero joy. They are being fobbed off. ACC don’t want a bar of it.

I know a number of people who “died suddenly” over the last 18 months. No checking for possibly jab related death.

3 previously fit and healthy men in our (very small) street had heart attacks within a couple of months of getting the jab. Never investigated.

The cognitive dissonance among the majority of our medical people is astonishing. I don’t envy them what is going on in their heads right around now.

This can only be covered up for so long. The toll on their mental health will be incredible.
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February 17, 2023 2:47pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  [Mod – cut out your abuse]
  
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  February 17, 2023 4:55pm
- Doc Holliday
  
  [Mod – cut out the personal attacks]
  
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  February 17, 2023 6:03pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Hey Mod. Just give him the dropkick.
    
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    February 17, 2023 7:52pm
greybeard

Time to drop Williamson, NZC !
He is only interested in Indian PL.
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February 17, 2023 2:59pm
Maggie Pie

TRENDING!

Aunty Heihei….. for leader of The-Maori-Party 😎

https://twitter.com/AuntyHeihei/status/1626340857166311424

(Follow: https://twitter.com/AuntyHeihei )
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February 17, 2023 3:40pm
- Ghost
  
  Laughing at her
  
  “I had a friend named Kenny, who looking back was as camp as a row of tents”, hahahaha
  
  Loved it
  
  https://twitter.com/AuntyHeihei/status/1626327610111234048?cxt=HHwWgMC4kYiW8JEtAAAA
  
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  February 17, 2023 3:43pm
Doc Holliday

[Mod – cut out the abuse]

https://environment.govt.nz/news/the-science-linking-extreme-weather-and-climate-change/

https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-how-climate-change-affects-extreme-weather-around-the-world/

https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/weather-climate

https://e360.yale.edu/digest/extreme-weather-events-have-increased-significantly-in-the-last-20-years

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribution_of_recent_climate_change

Nah, don’t bother, it’s not evidence you need…
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February 17, 2023 4:17pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

The moaners at restaurants. Yes even here in NZ. Not sure about the R. T. Rower place.
Do people expect to get served quick at a ‘hangi?’
The sign seems a reasonable request?
https://2020conservative.com/one-restaurant-is-in-major-trouble-after-people-saw-the-signs-they-put-on-the-tables/
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February 17, 2023 4:32pm
- Mike
  
  Kiwiblog is the best place to read Kiwis’ moans, Steve.
  
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  February 17, 2023 5:14pm
  - Mike
    
    See greybeatd above for a classic example.
    
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    February 17, 2023 5:16pm
    - greybeard
      
      Well, do you really think Williamson deserves a spot in the team ?
      All that money and he does nothing to earn it.
      
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      February 17, 2023 7:30pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    See you for perfect example Mike..
    Yoi don’t get out much do you?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj-iLqOEd5Y
    
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    February 17, 2023 6:33pm
Ghost

What bleep bleep bleeps

Phone companies restoring cellphone coverage in Gisborne and Hawke’s Bay have been hampered by thieves stealing generators deployed to keep cell towers running.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/131262602/theft-of-generators-hampers-work-to-restore-communications-to-gisborne-and-hawkes-bay
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February 17, 2023 5:15pm
- Mike
  
  I umagine demand for generators is running hot in the region atm.
  
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  February 17, 2023 5:19pm
- Maggie Pie
  
  Usual suspects.
  
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  February 17, 2023 5:21pm
  - Mike
    
    But you must be confident your ‘Parnell’ alibi will hold up.
    
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    February 17, 2023 5:57pm
Master Mariner

@Tom,
Yes indeed the horse has bolted.
Oil Majors not interested in unstable Countries .
Fact.
The Damage done is immeasurable Tom.
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February 17, 2023 5:47pm
Doc Holliday

So even this extreme climate event hasn’t caused the climate deniers to start thinking for themselves.

Oil companies did a good job on them.

Propaganda cost billions but they’ve more than recouped the outlay – all of it in just one day probably.
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February 17, 2023 6:12pm
- Swifty
  
  Please provide the evidence that this/last week’s rain was a direct result of ‘climate change’.
  
  I don’t know if you saw my note to you the other day asking this – but I say again I’m an absolute fence-sitter on this one. If you provide the evidence to me I will be your champion.
  
  I’d be very grateful if you would point me to the hard evidence.
  
  Many thanks.
  
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  February 17, 2023 6:46pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    Swifty there is not a shred of evidence. Just tea leaf reading from a pack of cult members.
    
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    February 17, 2023 7:33pm
- rangitoto
  
  So what caused the similar event in 1938?
  
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  February 17, 2023 6:51pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Oil companies did a good job on them.
  
  I think I may have put this up for you before, but like others who’ve put IPCC conclusions in front of you I doubt you’ll read it, since you come across as more of a preacher than an interlocutor.
  
  “The Big Picture is that over 70% of the world’s reserves are produced by National Oil Companies (NOCs)
  These are companies with reserves and production that dwarf those of ExxonMobil or Shell, and with names you have probably never heard unless you are in the business. These are companies like PDVSA, Aramco, PetroBras, CNOOC, Gazprom, Yukos, and Pemex.”
  
  A trillion-plus barrels of oil that can be lifted at $US 10 per barrel in nations that have little to no other income.
  
  It will be drilled, it will be lifted – and it will be sold.
  
  Oh, BTW, take a shufty at this graph of China’s coal-powered electricity production. From about 2000TWh in 1980 to some 22,000 TWh now.
  
  In other words, even if The Land Of The Long Black Carbon had managed to be zero-Carbon even thirty years ago we would – by your argument – be facing exactly the same AGW effects as we are now.
  
  Which means it’s time for mitigation and adapation rather than driving ourselves into the ground as the perfect destroys the good.
  
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  February 17, 2023 7:25pm
  - NZer In Exile
    
    TH what would you classify as sufficient “mitigation” to make a difference to this imagined “emergency”?
    
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    February 17, 2023 7:49pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Well given that the other side of this “emergency” is having more people, houses, etc than we had during Bola, the Wahine storm or the Auckland floods of 1935, I’d say we need bigger stormwater pipes for a start, plus pulling back on dumping housing into floodplains and such and better roads like the one currently being built to replace the Manawatu Gorge highway.
      
      I was living in the US during Hurricane Andrew and that was another MSM screamfest (also calculated to hurt a GOP President, as usual), but as people argued back in later years, if you have more people and stuff in a place like Florida then the cost of a disaster will be greater than similar storms of the past.
      
      But I’ll bet the MSM and the Warmanistas will push the cost-argument to its extreme as yet another theme to support the narrative of (drum roll) CLIMATE CRISIS!!!!
      
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      February 17, 2023 8:12pm
Maggie Pie

Just when u think milkey can’t get any stupider – the next day happens!
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February 17, 2023 6:43pm
kevn

@doc…. Tax, that’ll fix it.
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The World Economic Forum is a ‘creepy event’- Michael Shellenberger:

https://rumble.com/v26eicu-the-world-economic-forum-is-a-creepy-event-michael-shellenberger.html
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Former JPMorgan exec Jes Staley discussed Disney princesses with Jeffrey Epstein in a July 2010 email exchange, according to several emails cited in a lawsuit filed against the bank by the US Virgin Islands, Bloomberg reports.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/say-hello-snow-white-ex-jpmorgan-exec-emailed-jeffrey-epstein-about-disney-princesses
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