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Mike

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Happy World Cancer Day!
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February 4, 2023 8:04am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Tell the DHBs, Ministry of Health, Dr Dolittle.
  People are dying from cancer because of the state of the Hospitals.
  In context, the Govt is killing these people, and they don’t care.
  
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  February 4, 2023 9:39am
  - Mike
    
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    I am sure that you don’t really mean to accuse the government of deliberately ‘killing’ people, any more than you would accuse a 70 year old man of deliberately killing himself by drinking too much.
    Have a great day, Steve.
    
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    February 4, 2023 9:44am
    - I remember when
      
      Like, any more than the government would accuse you of causing deaths by not getting covid vaccinations.
      
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      February 4, 2023 10:08am
    - Matt Long
      
      As Eric Berne said smoking and excessive drinking are slow suicide.
      As far as this government is concerned;
      Proverbs 3:27 Do not withhold good from those to whom it is due,
      when it is in your power to act.
      Proverbs 19:9 One who is slack in his work
      is brother to one who destroys.
      
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      February 4, 2023 10:14am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Not a man of faith, but I understand, Matt
        
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        February 4, 2023 11:19am
      - Taieri
        
        As Eric Berne said smoking and excessive drinking are slow suicide
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        Non-smokers and non-drinkers die healthier…
        
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        February 4, 2023 12:33pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Up your nose with a rubber hose.
      Another idiot who wants to control my drinking.
      I don’t get drunk Mike. Sure over the limit to drive, but I don’t get drunk.
      The speaker of the house would kill me if I did!
      
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      February 4, 2023 10:30am
      - Mike
        
        I don’t want to control you, Steve. I know you would be great guy to have beer with.
        Just making a point about health overall.
        
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        February 4, 2023 11:54am
      - Ra Henare
        
        Steve Otto.
        You are a man of faith….chortle. 🙂
        Your faith is Kiwiblog which you worship every day.
        
        Just saying
        Faith shows its way in many forms.
        
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        February 4, 2023 3:36pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      The Govt are indirectly responsible for those dying of cancer.
      Bend and twist it all you like, Govt OWN this.
      
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      February 4, 2023 11:18am
      - Mike
        
        Every cance5 death is the gummimt’s fault?
        
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        February 4, 2023 11:54am
      - Ra Henare
        
        Bollocks! With a capital B.
        Especially if your definition of Government is elected representatives.
        They dont have a clue about most things.
        
        Maybe a little bit true as you work your way down the food chain of government employees.
        
        So you must mean Doctors and nurses(paid by government) are to blame.????
        
        Yea right!
        
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        February 4, 2023 3:37pm
  - kowtow
    
    Not to mention the kind , compassionate , empathetic lockdowns that sent a creaking system into terminal decline.
    
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    February 4, 2023 10:02am
    - Mike
      
      I’m sorry to read that your creaking system is in terminal decline.
      
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      February 4, 2023 11:56am
- Tony Stuart
  
  A good friend has recently started a course of Keytruda injections, at $8000 a jab. His cancer is terminal, but he has some important life events to live for. Keytruda is not funded by the New Zealand Government. I won’t pass on your Happy Cancer Day greeting to him, because he’s not feeling particularly well disposed towards cancer just at the moment.
  
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  February 4, 2023 11:49am
  - Mike
    
    Those life events should make him happy, at least. And he can be thankful he or his family is prosperous enough to to pay exorbitant sums for pharmaceuticals.
    
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    February 4, 2023 11:59am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Fortunately Mike, he has some friends who are prosperous enough to help, to the tune of almost $40k so far. It doesn’t make him any less terminally ill though.
      
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      February 4, 2023 1:49pm
    - ISeeRed
      
      You never know when to shut up.
      
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      February 4, 2023 2:31pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    Unfortunately Keytruda is not a cure. It will keep you alive while you are taking it – for a few years anyway.
    
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    February 4, 2023 12:18pm
    - Tony Stuart
      
      Yes, both I and my friend are only too aware that Keytruda is merely palliative in effect. That’s why I said his cancer was terminal.
      
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      February 4, 2023 1:47pm
  - Inandout
    
    TS, if those untold billions wasted on Covid had been pumped into cancer research and treatments we may see a different outcome. How many $8000 jabs would $120 billion buy?
    
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    February 4, 2023 1:40pm
  - peterwn
    
    Would it be significantly cheaper if the FDA were not so difficult and pig headed? No one wants another Thalidomide disaster, but then if someone is terminally ill, standards can be relaxed so patients or health providers do not have to meet very heavy compliance costs.
    
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    February 4, 2023 1:50pm
- Mickey
  
  Mike, do you wake up each morning and ask yourself ‘how am I going to p1ss off/annoy people today?’
  
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  February 4, 2023 1:16pm
  - Mike
    
    No.
    
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    February 4, 2023 1:36pm
    - Mickey
      
      A rhetorical question is one for which the questioner does not expect a direct answer
      
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      February 4, 2023 3:09pm
      - Mike
        
        Just taking the Mickey.
        
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        February 4, 2023 5:24pm
NeverMindTheBollocks

Sweden deserves the pandemic response plaudits that are slowly coming its way. But, it ain’t no paradise. Parts of it are now worse than Wairoa. Forget ram raiding: there, kids chuck bombs.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/02/02/sweden-has-become-gangsters-paradise-case-study-how-not-integrate/

NB – there’s a paywall, but you can read the article & indeed the entire newspaper for free via Press Reader.
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February 4, 2023 8:13am
- Scott
  
  Sweden was an homogenous society with very low rates of crime. Now there are bomb throwers, people setting fire to cars and rape of Swedish women on an unprecedented scale.
  What could be the reason for that?
  
  Could it be the introduction of many thousands of military age men of a different culture and religion who simply do not want to integrate? Who look at their new society with contempt and wish to retain their old ways and their old religion? They want to retain their old ways but they come to Sweden to live more prosperously.
  
  What we are seeing throughout Europe is that Western civilisation and sharia law are just not compatible.
  
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  February 4, 2023 9:41am
  - mawm
    
    It’s probably the fault of the Swedish government not taking into account their old ways and supplying enough goats.
    
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    February 4, 2023 10:37am
  - David Garrett
    
    Scott: Quite so…and down here we are still taking in the bearded ones and their female chattels, somehow expecting that by some miracle the result here to be different from every other European country which has allowed its Muslim population to exceed 5%…I believe Muslims now make up 20% of Sweden’s population? I read that somewhere, can’t remember where.
    
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    February 4, 2023 10:51am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Probably closer to 10% ….
      but
      The exact number of Muslims in Sweden is up for debate as religious profiling is considered unethical in the Nordic country, but Pew Research estimated its Muslim population at 8.1 percent of the total population of over 10 million.
      
      https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2022/09/06/2770454/new-muslim-swedish-party-to-give-islamophobia-special-criminal-classification
      
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      February 4, 2023 11:53am
      - Mike
        
        [Mod – nope, take your personal attacks elsewhere]
        
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        February 4, 2023 12:21pm
    - Tom Hunter
      
      Even worse for Germany, with the little university town of Freiburg for starters:
      
      The “asylum home,”which is where shelter is initially provided to those immigrants — mostly Muslims — claiming asylum, was turned by its inhabitants into a trap. They deliberately set off fire alarms in order to attract firemen and police so that, upon their arrival, the Muslims could attack them. This was an assault on the forces of order that represent the state, which the Muslim migrants regard with contempt, for they see it as run by and for Infidels.
      
      A few hours later, staff said they were threatened by North African residents inside the center, requiring a large police response….
      
      The staff at the asylum center are there, remember, only to help migrants. They provide temporary shelter, help migrants prepare their applications for asylum, and at the same time, aid them in applying for the many state benefits – housing, medical care, education, family allowances, even unemployment benefits – that they might qualify for. Yet instead of gratitude, the North African Muslims threatened the staff at the asylum center with violence;
      
      It seems the cops are treated with complete contempt by these Muslim migrants. Hardly surprising; the cops are infidels supporting a society run by infidels for infidels. There is no reason why those Muslim immigrants should treat them or their “laws” with respect.
      
      This is Freiburg, this is Germany, today. The street violence, the increase in every type of crime, the attacks on the representatives of state authority – policemen, firemen, ambulance drivers – are happening at a time when Muslims make up only 7% of the country’s population.
      
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      February 4, 2023 2:12pm
  - Thought Criminal
    
    Not sure why they don’t just permanently deport gang members like Australia does.
    
    Living in a country like Sweden is a privilege. If you chose to bring violence and gangs then you should get the boot.
    
    Is the EU blocking this?
    
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    February 4, 2023 12:34pm
    - Paulus
      
      But remember the keep quiet recent agreement between Ardern and Albi in Australia that Australia will go more easy in the selection criteria of thos brothers returning.
      I am not sure that the Australian media are yet aware of this signed agreement, told they will not be happy because they support getting rid of long term criminals with substantial convictions,
      
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      February 4, 2023 1:37pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  What are the kids using to make the bombs? Just petrol?
  
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  February 4, 2023 9:43am
  - Paulus
    
    Not petrol, Electricity surely as petrol is a no go.
    
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    February 4, 2023 10:03am
  - sirknz
    
    They have been getting hold of hand grenades.
    
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    February 4, 2023 11:02am
- oldfella
  
  NMTB: try Firefox with the ‘Bypass Paywalls Clean’ extension.
  
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  February 4, 2023 10:05am
- David Garrett
  
  NeverMind: I am a bit of a Luddite…please explain step by step how I can download (Is that the term??) this Press Reader Thingie.
  
  Many thanks.
  
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  February 4, 2023 10:48am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    7 day free trial, but then they want money. Can’t find out how much until I start to sign up. Not doing that. Enough people have my name and email. I detest spam.
    
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    February 4, 2023 11:26am
    - NeverMindTheBollocks
      
      Not when you enter your library card details, Steve. See my response to David G’s comment.
      
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      February 4, 2023 11:55am
  - NeverMindTheBollocks
    
    Hi David, Press Reader itself is just another app; you download it from the Apple store or wherever you usually go.
    
    The trick is the free access bit. You get this by entering your library card number. You need to join your local library, of course. Press Reader enables you to download plenty of papers & magazines. One exception is your local paper: in Chch you won’t get The Press, for example. What I like is that you have an image of the actual newspaper or mag; it’s not an app. So you can see the small ads etc. Definitely one for a tablet; a phone screen would be too small.
    
    The best bit is that it’s all legit. The library will have signed up to some sort of subscription arrangement, so this is equivalent to the old newspaper reading room of yore. Ultimately, you’ve paid for it via your rates; it’s good to get something back.
    
    Enjoy!
    
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    February 4, 2023 11:54am
    - 103PapPap
      
      You can read the Press and DomPost and Sunday Times but you have to go into a library and use one of their computers.
      
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      February 4, 2023 3:12pm
Maggy Wassilieff

More $$$$$ heading to the Waitangi Treaty Grounds.

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2302/S00026/government-investment-safeguards-waitangi-treaty-grounds.htm

I must admit it gets up my nose that Adult NZ tax-payers have to pay $30 to enter the Information Centre to learn about our history.
https://www.waitangi.org.nz/book/waitangi-admissions

Last time I was up there with friends I told them I knew enuf NZ history and I’d rather drink coffee in the cafe than pay to hear/see stuff about NZ.
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February 4, 2023 8:14am
- septic skeptic
  
  The nearby golf course is very nice, but you won’t have any change from your $30 there either unfortunately :0
  
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  February 4, 2023 8:24am
- Mike
  
  You missed out on a great experience then. I agree though that it would be nice if there was free admission to every heritage site and tourist attraction.
  
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  February 4, 2023 8:27am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Uptick Mike. Stop making sense.
    
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    February 4, 2023 9:45am
    - Mike
      
      If the gummint stopped funding cancer treatment it would have enough money for every Kiwi to access all historic places.
      
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      February 4, 2023 12:02pm
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Waitangi has become more and more overbearing over the years.
  You don’t het History, you get propaganda.
  
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  February 4, 2023 8:42am
  - Mike
    
    There has always been a huge overlap between history and propaganda. Many times I have read blathering online about ‘revisionism’ or ‘true history’, as if there could be a certain set of facts and their interpretation on which everyone should agree,
    
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    February 4, 2023 9:08am
- the deity formerly known as nigel6888
  
  I was surprised too. So I have never entered the place, chose to leave and have a coffee elsewhere.
  
  Wonder if the Te Tii Trust Board sorted out their little corruption issue?
  
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  February 4, 2023 8:50am
- Taieri
  
  I must admit it gets up my nose that Adult NZ tax-payers have to pay $30 to enter the Information Centre to learn about our history.
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  Entry used to be free for NZ residents the last time I was there. Admittedly quite a few years ago…
  And a very nice Maori lady in attendance was very helpful and welcoming.
  
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  February 4, 2023 9:01am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Bit like the Auckland Museum wanting a fee to enter.
    Simply, I tell them I live in Auckland and I will enter free, as I pay your wages.
    One cheeky prick asked for a wage rise. Told him I don’t control that but if I did you would get a wage reduction or be sacked.
    Silence is golden.
    
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    February 4, 2023 9:49am
    - Mike
      
      I’m sorry to read that you enjoy making life difficult for staff trying to do their job.
      
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      February 4, 2023 12:05pm
  - Observer of Life
    
    We took the family to the treaty grounds about 4 years ago. Entry was $25 each. We chose leave. I hear some of the history they show is dubious.
    
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    February 4, 2023 10:05am
    - MCōs
      
      Kids are free.
      Why do you think it should be free for adults?
      It’s not cheap maintaining places such as that.
      
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      February 4, 2023 10:17am
      - Ghost
        
        I was just looking at the fees, don’t believe adults should be free, but don’t believe tourists should pay double to a New Zealander.
        
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        February 4, 2023 10:23am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Te Papa is free – funded by the taxpayer.
        
        Taxpayer funds Waitangi – it is a historically significant place – it should be free.
        
        As an example, the US charge for everything, but not nationally significant historical sites eg went to Pearl Habour memorial – all free.
        
        If not funded by taxes then fine charge for it.
        
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        February 4, 2023 10:39am
      - MCōs
        
        Not just tourists. International visitors.
        That’s the way it is in Thailand, but the difference is often far more than double. What’s more the Thai prices are presented using the Thai alphabet. So it might be ๕๐ for Thai people and 200 for us, which is four times as much.
        
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        February 4, 2023 11:25am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Taxpayers have been maintaining the place for decades.
        
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        February 4, 2023 11:55am
    - I remember when
      
      So has the Waitangi Information centre about New Zealand history become history for many residents.
      
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      February 4, 2023 10:20am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Me and my mates refused to pay, we told them we were NZers, the beautiful Māori woman at the door said that’s fine, in you go
    
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    February 4, 2023 11:27am
    - Mike
      
      I’m glad she was “beautiful’ for such a pack of penny-pinching misery guts.
      
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      February 4, 2023 12:08pm
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        She was stunning
        
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        February 4, 2023 7:31pm
- kiwikidsnz
  
  When I visited around 6/7 years ago, NZ citizens could go on to the Treaty grounds free. They didn’t publicise it well & you had to show photo id such as a driver’s license.
  
  I thought it a disincentive to help overseas visitors learn about our history
  
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  February 4, 2023 9:03am
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Yes, but they did try and push the charge
    
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    February 4, 2023 11:28am
- lastmanstanding
  
  My humble views on the Parties.
  
  Maori. Facist and Racist. Their only purpose is to exact revenge from the white colonialists and enrich the Party elites and other Maori elites. Maori peasantry will get nothing from them.
  
  NZ First or the Winston Party. Will fade away when Winston does. Only good policy is to end Maorification.
  
  Greens. Communists.
  
  Labour. Socialists and racists as we have seen over the past 5 years.
  
  National. I call them the bi-sexual Party. Confused as to whether they are socialist or liberal democrats. In their heart they know what they should stand for and do but just cant bring themselves to do it.
  
  ACT. The only party that adheres to the principles of democracy. Believes in the freedom of the individual to conduct their lives with only the minimal and necessary assistance and support of the State NOT the absolute command and control of the State. Policies are too enuanced and intellectual for many citizens.
  
  Having said all that I will be voting for my local Nat MP with my Party vote to ACT. A compromise but the only way to keep the other parties out of power.
  
  As always feel free to comment and criticise.
  
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  February 4, 2023 9:30am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Act it is in October. If National stand a good candidate and not an idiot in Upper Harbour, I may vote National. They will have to prove themselves first.
    
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    February 4, 2023 9:52am
    - Tony Stuart
      
      National has already selected Cameron Brewer as its Upper Harbour candidate:
      
      https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA2211/S00176/cameron-brewer-selected-as-nationals-candidate-in-upper-harbour.htm
      
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      February 4, 2023 1:52pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Well said lastman. You vote like I do.
    
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    February 4, 2023 9:55am
  - Observer of Life
    
    Lastman: Totally agree with all your comments. And my votes will be going g the same way.
    
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    February 4, 2023 10:09am
    - Don Beckett
      
      Likewise.
      
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      February 4, 2023 10:37am
      - Mike
        
        No conservative religious whackos to vote for this time round?
        
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        February 4, 2023 12:10pm
    - RalphT
      
      I agree with the sentiments but I might do something different; party vote Act but electorate vote Labour (hear me out). I live in Auckland Central and if there’s a chance of the Labour candidate winning I’d vote for them to keep Chloe out. I’m sure that the Greens will pass 5% anyway but there would be some satisfaction is seeing them lose the one seat they have.
      
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      February 4, 2023 10:46am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        Rubbish, Labour will not win that seat, it will be a drag race between Nats and the greens, I really can’t see the useless Chloe winning, no matter what you say, a Labour vote is for more of the same, Chloe will not win, well done, test another wasted vote
        
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        February 4, 2023 7:38pm
  - Albie
    
    Lastman,
    My thoughts exactly on where to place my vote this election.
    Have been a National supporter, often reluctantly, my whole life.
    Can’t bring myself to give them the party vote this election. They have been up against the most appalling government in decades and still cannot give us a clear and concise vision for the future.
    ACT will get my party vote, and Luxon will have to be happy with his electoral vote in Botany.
    Maybe National will get a wake up call.
    
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    February 4, 2023 10:31am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      Oh ffs, how did vote NZF to keep Nats honest go in 2017
      
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      February 4, 2023 11:49am
      - leoj
        
        Nats are weak and getting weaker. No attack even with heaps of ammunition. Instead, Luxon attacks Mayor Brown. Luxon is a traitor.
        
        Nats linguini spine needs ACT for support.
        
        Get rid of the blue shades G. Vote ACT.
        
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        February 4, 2023 1:03pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    Peters end of maorifocation? He had his bottom line of getting rid of Māori seats, and baled as soon as he selected the witch
    
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    February 4, 2023 11:30am
  - Colville
    
    ACT adheres to its principles unless those principles conflict with building more houses in Epson.
    
    But they will still get my tick.
    
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    February 4, 2023 11:45am
  - Jimbob
    
    Many are doing the same as you, ACT need a strong representation in ministerial portfolios.
    
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    February 4, 2023 12:38pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    No one should criticise you, you will get criticism if you are talking two ticks pink
    
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    February 4, 2023 7:34pm
- David Garrett
  
  Maggy: The version of NZ history that they are peddling in that Information Centre is probably not worth 30 cents let alone $30
  
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  February 4, 2023 10:54am
  - NothingLeft
    
    The problem with Winston’s bottom line is the central hole in it from which his actual choices and decisions emanate.
    
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    February 4, 2023 11:39am
    - G the giant from Dunedin
      
      The hole? That’s right, first down the mine
      
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      February 4, 2023 12:14pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The benefit of having a canny Scots heritage.
    
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    February 4, 2023 11:57am
  - Mike
    
    Been there, have you? Please write a detailed review pointing out the errors.
    
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    February 4, 2023 12:13pm
- Bob
  
  than pay to hear-CORRUPTED DISINFORMATION -see stuff about NZ.
  FIXED IT FOR YOU
  
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  February 4, 2023 11:55am
Cassandra

Australia has left the King off its new $5 note. I hope an incoming National/ACT government will ensure the monarch is on our most commonly used banknote(s). And that an invitation for a Royal Tour is one of the first things they do. And adopt a set of criteria for appointing the Governor General which ensures that s/he is the most prominent and suitable person available. For a starter, every Chief of Defence Staff should be on the short list.
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February 4, 2023 8:29am
- Steve Otto(North Shore)
  
  Waste of time and money. Charlie bot may abdicate or even die. Then we have to do it all again. The Net Taxpayer’s golden egg is getting very small.
  
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  February 4, 2023 9:54am
  - David Garrett
    
    Steve O: I very much doubt he will abdicate from a role he has been waiting to fill for 40 years or more…And given his genes, he’s most unlikely to cark it before 90…the parents’ genes are the best predictor of one’s own longevity apparently. Unless of course you are a smoker or a fat bastard.
    
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    February 4, 2023 10:58am
    - Taieri
      
      Unless of course you are a smoker or a fat bastard
      —————-
      
      Didn’t kill Churchill…
      
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      February 4, 2023 12:39pm
      - Inandout
        
        Tai, yes Winston was an unusual case but as his father died a blubbering syphilitic idiot his Dad’s longevity may have been great. Not sure of his grandparents age at death but Winnie did love a good whisky and had an iron will.
        
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        February 4, 2023 1:52pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Charlie boy*
    Must proof read.
    
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    February 4, 2023 11:28am
    - Mike
      
      He might as well be a bot.
      
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      February 4, 2023 12:18pm
- Bob
  
  well not every Chief of Def Staff; some of them wern’t very bright.
  
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  February 4, 2023 11:56am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The media is already pushing us to do the same, Nat ACT will have nothing to do with it. When is the coronation? The change of notes will happen soon after
  
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  February 4, 2023 12:16pm
- Mike
  
  NZ hasn’t had a Chief of Defence Staff since 1990.
  
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  February 4, 2023 12:17pm
CJames

I note Martyn Martin has a new term of disparagement for the Waitakere Man of Chris Trotter’s. It is Ford Ranger Man. The type that won’t drive a social virtue signalling electric car or are “poverty” stricken beneficiaries. With that, he can easily dismiss the issues and concerns of the majority of voters in suburbia. Those with mortgages, kids going to the local school and feeling threatened by crime.
No doubt he wonders why what he advocates isn’t making an impact on society. Could lack of self-awareness be head of the list?
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February 4, 2023 8:34am
- Mike
  
  The advertising for that car ‘New Zealand drives a Ranger’ etc, is itself virtue signaling, of course, but probably not the kind of signaling that you meant by using that peculiar epithet.
  
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  February 4, 2023 9:10am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

And so the control freaks continue:
People living in hot areas of the country should avoid drinking alcohol while temperatures skyrocket, according to the National Emergency Management Agency.
“Stay safe in the heat” Civil Defence said in a statement.
WHAT??
I am 70. If I want a beer, I will have a beer, at any time of the day. Fuck off!
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/no-5pm-beer-civil-defence-warns-kiwis-to-avoid-alcohol-caffeine-as-temperatures-soar/ar-AA173bAa
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February 4, 2023 8:37am
- kowtow
  
  Alcohol bad , narcotics good.
  
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  February 4, 2023 8:48am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yes Chloe.
    
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    February 4, 2023 9:55am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Makes you wonder how folks in Queensland or the Northern Territories have coped all these years.
  
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  February 4, 2023 8:50am
  - Mike
    
    [Mod – no, stop trying to troll]
    
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    December 4, 2022 9:12am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Showing a complete disregard for reality again Milky. Easy to foment “white man bad, black man good” statements. In doing so you show yourself up as a racist. Is it hard living in self- loathing like that?
      
      The majority of crimes against Aboriginal people are committed by Aboriginal people.
      
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      February 4, 2023 9:57am
    - David Garrett
      
      Mod: Surely you realise that all he does here is troll? He cheerfully admits to being a troll, and to being proud of it – so why bother deleting only some of his comments? Giving him a permanent holiday would be much more effective….or if you are feeling “kind” perhaps just a six month one.
      
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      February 4, 2023 11:13am
      - Mike
        
        Nothing sums up ACT better than one of their ex-MPs championing cancel culture.
        
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        February 4, 2023 1:40pm
  - CJames
    
    Maggy – As most life in outback Australia seems to revolve around the local pub, I suspect they have coped very well by drinking beer. But you knew all that anyway.
    
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    February 4, 2023 8:54am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      But you knew all that anyway.
      
      But only theoretically….
      
      I must be one of the few folks in NZ who has never managed to imbibe a glass of beer (or coca cola)…
      
      The stuff tastes like ****.
      
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      February 4, 2023 9:20am
      - blue collar
        
        Oh my god Maggie !!!!!
        
        Blasphemy !!!
        
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        February 4, 2023 9:34am
      - mogg
        
        How do you know!
        
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        February 4, 2023 9:46am
      - andrew davies
        
        Sometimes I wish I could say the same Maggy. But only sometimes.
        
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        February 4, 2023 11:25am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @mogg
        
        How do you know!
        
        How couldn’t I know growing up in an extended family of alcoholics, drunks and heavy drinkers and offered the stuff from childhood?
        
        I’m not TT for any religious/moral reason… I just loathe the taste of beer, wine (aka as vinegar as far as I’m concerned), carbonated drinks, and most spirits.
        
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        February 4, 2023 12:07pm
      - nathie
        
        Maggy, I hear you but if perchance on offer somewhere, perhaps try a nice “fruity” sauvignon blanc (preferably from Marlborough) or perhaps a small dose of Riesling, as they are both complete opposite in terms of taste to what you describe.
        
        Pinot Gris (note not Pinot Noir which is red) may also fair well?
        
        But maybe ignore Chardonnay as it can be harsher in comparison (no wonder the Chardonnay Socialists love it). 🙂
        
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        February 4, 2023 12:34pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @nathie
        
        Some years back I had to write about NZ’s wine industry…
        
        https://teara.govt.nz/en/viticulture
        
        I was familiar with the development of the Marlborough and Wairarapa/Hawkes Bay scene, but knew nothing about the Gisborne area…..so I took a work trip here and visited a few vineyards. I was only offered tastings at one, and the owners weren’t too upset when I said I’d prefer a coffee.
        
        Then a few years later chef daughter and I took a cycle tour through some wineries in Marlborough.
        One of the owners was quite put out that I had no interest in her offerings and I had asked that she direct her attention to my daughter who was doing the tastings.
        
        Daughter has been working in one of the restaurants on a vineyard on the Mornington Peninsula. She warned the sommeliers that they were not to annoy me when I last went over to dine there.
        
        (Perhaps I lack the booze gene….)
        
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        February 4, 2023 2:00pm
  - mogg
    
    Not only the Outback, just go to Australia Square Sydney on a Friday afternoon.
    
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    February 4, 2023 9:24am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Civil Defence can’t think outside the square.
    ‘And they all get into boxes, little boxes’ Stuff it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUwUp-D_VV0
    
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    February 4, 2023 10:08am
    - Paulus
      
      Fancy Civil Defence and Cohorts not including the Auckland Mayor and his Office of what is going on in the floods and road closures and slips
      Sounds deliberate to embarrass them.
      
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      February 4, 2023 1:42pm
- Gravelroad
  
  Still OK to smoke dope and meth in hot areas, SteveO?
  My limited knowledge of meth would suggest that it speeds up the human system perhaps causing dehydration in the heat.
  But that’s ok with the NEM people?
  These days, no one dares to question or criticise the users of illegal drugs. But users of alcohol and lawful cigarettes are fair game.
  That’s kind of weird.
  
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  February 4, 2023 9:01am
  - Mike
    
    Perhaps they should also warn against exerting too much energy on assaults or breaking and entering when the weather is hotter than usual.
    
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    February 4, 2023 9:13am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    “Still OK to smoke dope and meth in hot areas, ”
    Dunno, you better ask a druggie. All druggies on this Blog are free to answer.
    
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    February 4, 2023 10:09am
    - Mike
      
      Do alkies count as ‘druggies’? Asking for a friend.
      
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      February 4, 2023 1:42pm
- graham
  
  I seem to remember similar messaging during the Covid lockdowns.
  
  Various experts were worried that we mere mortals would order too much alcohol and collectively drink ourseleves into a stupor. They questioned why on earth the NZ government had decided to allow liquor stores to continue operating during lockdowns, and warned of increases in binge drinking when people were sitting at home unable to go out. They pleaded with us not to stock up with alcohol when new lockdowns were imminent.
  
  Because apparently, we mere mortals can’t be trusted to know what’s good for us, and heaven forbid that we should dare to let our hair down occasionally. No, we need experts to tell us how to live our lives.
  
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  February 4, 2023 9:03am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    During the lockdown I paid for alcohol by credit card and they delivered for $10.
    You are correct though: We need experts to tell us how to live our lives.
    Even the tiniest bit of control power and the experts go for it. Jaspinda had the ultimate control and passed small bit of power to the idiots.
    
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    February 4, 2023 10:19am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      It’s raining, it might rain, you are not allowed to go to school.
      
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      February 4, 2023 10:41am
- Taieri
  
  Fuck off!
  ———–
  
  Indeed!:)
  
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  February 4, 2023 9:04am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Yeah! Quite often in the summer I will sit out by my spa pool at 10am with a beer.
    That does not mean I will be plastered by 2pn.
    
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    February 4, 2023 10:22am
- pdm
  
  Hell Steve it is what we used to do 50 years ago as teenagers. Out in te open on the riverbed by a swimming hole with beer bottles in the water to keep them as cold as we could.
  
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  February 4, 2023 9:17am
  - pdm
    
    Should have said 60 years ago and included no shirts in the Hawkes Bay sun. No climate change either and to my knowledge no cancer to date from any of the 10/12 of us regularly there.
    
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    February 4, 2023 9:23am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I like my vitamin D and get it whenever I can. I rarely burn, and no cancers.
      
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      February 4, 2023 10:26am
      - Colville
        
        Steve.
        Be careful who you tell that you are getting “vitamin D”
        
        They might give you a proposal you don’t appreciate. 🍆
        
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        February 4, 2023 11:49am
    - 3-coil
      
      pdm – our amazing spot‘s in Waitahora
      
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      February 4, 2023 9:16pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Love it!
    
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    February 4, 2023 10:22am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Civil defence must not have enough work to do at the moment.
  
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  February 4, 2023 9:19am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    What? They need another Covid crisis? Must have got addicted to the ‘control’ and want more!
    
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    February 4, 2023 10:24am
- Biscuit
  
  Heh heh, Steve.
  
  I’m not a great beer drinker – if I’ve had two in 2023 I think I might be overstating things – but I put away wine, spirits and – especially – coffee at rates of knots that would have that Civil Defence numpty’s knickers in the OTHER sort of knots.
  
  Mind, there is a downside. I’m 70 now – folk really should be thinking about how much they’re gonna spent for my March 18 71st b/day! – and if your bladder is as ‘EMPTY ME NOW!’ insistent as is mine then you probably don’t dare stray outside of twenty-minutes-toilet-range!
  
  Now, any guesses at where I might go stroll to now?
  
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  February 4, 2023 9:26am
  - pdm
    
    Off to the Quinns Post are you Biscuit?
    
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    February 4, 2023 9:35am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Bladder? Get your prostate checked.
    Spirits? Besides lots of Stella, I have 1 liter of Jacks a week.
    
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    February 4, 2023 11:37am
    - Mike
      
      You should consider drinkng less, but better quality than those boring brands.
      
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      February 4, 2023 1:45pm
- I remember when
  
  Works a treat at Alice Springs!!
  
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  February 4, 2023 10:24am
- David Garrett
  
  Steve: Good on you brother! You can have beer for breakfast as far as I am concerned…Unless you are drinking and driving, which I’m sure you don’t, it “aint nobody’s business but your own” to quote an old song.
  
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  February 4, 2023 11:00am
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    One bottle of Stella and I won’t drive. Self enforced rule.
    
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    February 4, 2023 11:40am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Yes, it’s been 30 here the last few days, I will be heading down to the pub at about 3 for a few pints, we have 30 degrees in Dunedin most summers when the weather conditions are settled, and it’s usually Feb when the heat is on, I have never heard of anyone dying here with heat and stress yet
  
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  February 4, 2023 12:20pm
- mogg
  
  Beer is best but on hot evenings try equal parts Vermouth, Campari and gin with plenty of ice, if you want sophistication add a slice of orange. (Negroni)
  
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  February 4, 2023 3:30pm
- Alan Wilkinson
  
  Health advice from people you wouldn’t trust to tie their shoelaces. Never mind, by 5pm they will all have gone home.
  
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  February 4, 2023 5:07pm
Yvette

For Kaikōmihana Whakawhanaungatanga ā Iwi Race Relations Commissioner Meng Foon –

• Yesterday, when asked to name the three articles of the Treaty, Chris Hipkins, our presumptive Prime Minister replied, “We have kāwanatanga, tino rangatiratanga, and, actually no, I can’t remember the other, sorry.”

• Yesterday, Hipkins admitted that “no-one knows what co-governance means” but in truth this is probably more of a comment on his own lack of understanding rather than on anyone else’s.

The public don’t need to be Treaty experts to intuitively know that what has repeatedly been proposed by this government as ‘co-governance’ goes far beyond anything set out in the Treaty. – Cranmer
https://cranmer.substack.com/p/chris-hipkins-on-co-governance-no?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Now consider –

• Te Kāhui Tika Tangata Human Rights Commission is calling on the Government to commit to constitutional transformation and co-governance.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/131071085/human-rights-commission-calls-for-government-to-commit-to-cogovernance
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February 4, 2023 8:46am
- pdm
  
  Hey Wayne Brown when you were talking about Drongos the other day I hope you included Meng Foon and Paul Hunt at the top of your list.
  
  Those two are the ultimate Drongos.
  
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  February 4, 2023 9:25am
  - Paulus
    
    I see the media are bitching about The Auckland Mayor shouting at his non working computers.
    You should hear me when mine goes wrong as it has done recently.
    
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    February 4, 2023 10:08am
    - MCōs
      
      You could at least get your story straight.
      Nobody was bitching at the mayor over this issue
      The Mayor wasn’t shouting at his non working computers. His staff were shouting because they realized they were left out of the loop of important emails from the AEM.
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/auckland-floods-mayor-wayne-brown-wasnt-getting-vital-flood-updates-from-auckland-council-because-not-on-internal-email-list/GPOFF6PXSZHQ5M7SJRP434VXC4/
      
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      February 4, 2023 10:35am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Perhaps Pauli’s views the Heeald with the same lens of cynicism that I do and not your rose tinted glasses MCos.
        
        The herald and particularly senior man Simon Wilson have been biased since before Brown got elected. Today’s paper is full of little snipes at Brown again, including journalist Steve Braunas (sorry if spelt wrong) calling for his resignation and shouting about climate change as if he is an expert.
        
        If journalists can’t take the time to be balanced and fair, if they believe their job is to shape the narrative not give the reader the facts and let them decide, then don’t expect us to read their articles giving them the benefit of the doubt.
        
        The NZ herald has lost my trust and they are going to lose my subscription this week.
        
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        February 4, 2023 10:49am
      - David Garrett
        
        Pineapple: Steve Braunias is a first class [banned noun] the prick did an assassination piece on me five years after I had left politics…don’t bother reading anything the prick writes.
        
        He also has a thing for young women after his wife dumped him because of his drunkenness.
        
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        February 4, 2023 11:07am
      - G the giant from Dunedin
        
        It sounds like Browns number was not on Auckland emergency centre, am I thinking a hit job here, AEC and media hitting at him within hours, Auckland emergency should have been on Brown the minute the shit hit the fan
        
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        February 4, 2023 12:23pm
      - Nickc2
        
        IMO, it’s a concocted media hit job that keeps growing legs with each media event.
        Duplicitous bastards that they are.
        
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        February 4, 2023 12:34pm
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      Doesn’t work but we still yell.
      Bit like telling a fly to fuck off. Do you think they listen?
      
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      February 4, 2023 11:44am
    - Steve Otto(North Shore)
      
      I see the media are bitching about The Auckland Mayor shouting at his non working commuters.
      Fixed it.
      
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      February 4, 2023 11:49am
Yvette

Stormwaters’ inclusion in Three Waters reforms will worsen flood risks
Bad planning is the root cause of the flooding we have seen, argues recently-retired water engineer Jan Heijs. Climate change just makes the consequences a lot worse

Another version of the “slowly boiled frog” syndrome, or why no one but water engineer Jan Heijs speaks out, and “3 Waters” will be up Shit Creek without a paddle –

…It is interesting to see how many in the water industry appear to fall in line with the suggested Three Waters reform. I know of many people in the industry who bite their tongue. The consequences of not falling into line can be career limiting.

But the cherry-picked “guts of the matter” paragraph –

I agree that stormwater management needs to improve across all councils. The regional councils, our regulators, also fail to enforce meaningful improvements. But it would be wrong to push stormwater management into the Water Entities and separate it from land-use management. Instead, the way to improve our stormwater system and avoid the catastrophic flooding we have seen recently in Auckland and elsewhere, would be by providing clear direction, changes in legislation and guidance – and not leave this to each and every local and regional council to figure out. We also need specialised environmental and economic regulators, with land-use planning an important part of this.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/jan-heijs-stormwaters-inclusion-in-three-waters-reforms-will-worsen-flood-risks

So perhaps they should pull stormwater out of “3 Waters”
Drinking water – Taumata Arowai, its Maori Advisory Council and Tipa Mahuta have got that already.
So perhaps “3 Waters” should become only waste water –
and we think of “co-governance” only when we run the insinkerator or flush the toilet.
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February 4, 2023 8:47am
- I remember when
  
  Dear Agony Aunt,
  I am in a conundrum and am seeking your help.
  The Auckland flooding, according to most media and television experts, is a sign of ‘climate change.’
  Then I listened to the weather report and they mention rain as part of the ‘weather.’
  Is rain ‘climate change’, ‘weather’, or can rain be one or the other or, both at the same time.
  How do I know whether it is ‘weather’ or ‘climate change when it is raining?
  In January this year, there they recorded 419.6mm at Auckland Airport, Whitianga (522.6 mm) and Whangarei (489.1 mm), all records for the last 60 years.
  Was this ‘climate change’?
  Meanwhile, at Invercargill Airport (23.6 mm) and Wanaka Airport (4 mm), they recorded the least January rainfall in more than 30 years.
  Was this ‘climate change’?
  Can you please advise how the science works.
  Yours ‘Confused.’
  
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  February 4, 2023 10:43am
  - Ghost
    
    Dear confused,
    
    Asking what climate change is like asking what a woman is. It can lead you to be censored, banned and shortly arrested……
    
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    February 4, 2023 10:47am
    - Taieri
      
      what a woman is
      ————–
      
      Predominance of form over content, a misogynist would say…
      
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      February 4, 2023 12:45pm
  - G the giant from Dunedin
    
    You often have a dry period when floods are further north and the other way around, usually a blocking high keeps the rain from moving away, hardly call that climate change, I seen an article yesterday about the floods in Otago that killed 40 people, it was back in 1870s was that climate change?
    
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    February 4, 2023 12:28pm
Yvette

If Race Ralations is so vital to the fabric of New Zealand’s society, perhaps the office should be an example itself of “working together”, with two, if not three, Commissioners and organised in such a way that negotiation and agreement is forced on them, beyond bias, before they can make any recommendation to Government or utter any comment on how they believe New Zealanders should conduct ourselves.
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February 4, 2023 8:50am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  I think they should publish some stats to balance up the politics of envy crap that is being shouted out at every opportunity by NZs most divisive Government. Here are some ideas, the purpose of these is not to shame people but to actually show them things they can be grateful for and will create thoughts that are uplifting not destructive, please add to the list:
  
  1. By race, the amount of tax paid per capita
  2. By race, the amount of government funding, direct and indirect paid per capita
  3. By race, the average level of education being achieved (promotion of education as the means to lift oneself up higher in society)
  
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  February 4, 2023 10:07am
- PeeJay
  
  The best thing they could do to improve ‘race relations’ is to shut down.
  
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  February 4, 2023 11:24am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  The treaty says we are equal, why do we need race relations, it’s bullshit
  
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  February 4, 2023 12:29pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Barry Soper on Wayne Brown.
“When a politician loses the media, you actually lose the argument and you lose the people because you can’t get your message out.”
Bullshit. All Brown has to do is call them “Fake News” and head to Twitter.
It worked for Trump until the leftist Twitter controllers banned him.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/abysmal-and-shocking-am-panel-on-wayne-brown-s-flood-response/ar-AA1731NQ
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February 4, 2023 8:54am
- CJames
  
  Is that why Jacinda had to leave? People saw through the Jessica Tova meme?
  If Wayne losing the media lost the people, why did he get a large majority vote in the first place?
  So many questions. No answers, at least not from the media of which Barry is still a part.
  
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  February 4, 2023 8:58am
  - kowtow
    
    Yep from what I can see he never “had” them to lose .
    They were always out to get him , same with Trump and pretty much any “right of centre” politician , particularly women .
    
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    February 4, 2023 9:10am
  - Ruahine
    
    He has ‘lost’ the media. Ho Ho Barry.
    Did the media vote for him.
    No.
    But I did.
    He has not lost me.
    He and the new council have a huge job ahead of them to improve the infrastructure of Auckland after the years of neglect and waste caused by the wastrel Goff and the womanising Len Brown.
    
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    February 4, 2023 9:12am
    - Bob
      
      neglect and waste caused ……the ineptitude of the many marxist ideologically/Greenie deluded staff employed in Auckland Council.
      Once Brown identifies and dismisses these unproductive individuals , the Council salary and wages bill will reduce markedly; and so will our RATES.
      
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      February 4, 2023 12:07pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    And as the state of emergency carries on…and the scale of devastation is revealed, are some Journalists beginning to realise that their attacks on Wayne Brown haven’t helped matters at all?
    
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/fran-osullivan-its-time-to-cut-auckland-mayor-wayne-brown-some-slack/2EKAHR4FVVA2NFCB4N6WSGYX54/
    
    Have folks like Simon Wilson and Efeso Collins figured out yet who was responsible for the poor infrastructure and inappropriate housing developments on flood plains in the Auckland metropolis?
    
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    February 4, 2023 9:29am
- Nickc2
  
  Never ever apologise to the media! They only apologise when legally required and invariably their apologies are hidden from general view or obscured by fluff.
  NZ’s MSM can’t be trusted! They’re still paid for Govt Tools!
  
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  February 4, 2023 9:12am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Quite right Steve. Anyone to the right of Mao doesn’t get to have a message in most NZ media. They just get an opinion piece. That is almost always the opinion of the writer, who invariably bags the person they have interviewed. Need I remind anyone that over 80% of journos in NZ are left wingers?
  
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  February 4, 2023 9:32am
- Nickc2
  
  IMO, Mayor Wayne Brown should have told the MSM to fuck off and that any media releases would be made via his Media Office.
  Having said that, he should be aware that the MSM (arseholes that they are), controls the narrative and bias.
  
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  February 4, 2023 9:36am
- I remember when
  
  Barry Soper:
  “people, including his wife, were leaving their offices last Friday unaware of what was going on down on the ground”
  Hang on.
  Doesn’t his wife work for the media?
  Is it likely that she would be blissfully unaware of what was happening outside her building.
  Is Barry, while heaping criticism where it might be deserved, drawing attention to a possibly larger failing?
  
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  February 4, 2023 10:55am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Media have taken all wind away from Luxon, he has been very busy in Auckland this week, but no media questions, they are in the plan to block Luxon out. The media then tell us that Luxon has to change his message now because of Hipkins, we have to remember the media’s part in the poison that is this rotten regime
  
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  February 4, 2023 12:32pm
Nickc2

Australia introduced its Capital Gains Tax (CGT) under the Hawk Labor Govt in 1985. It did not include the Family Home in its Scoop Net at that time. Now, under another Labor Govt, it’s already talking about including the Family Home but with no reasoning other than wealth redistribution AFIK.
Beware, the Chipmonk’s out of the same Marxist mould as Aust’s PM and is not subject to retaining his predecessor’s commitment to not introduce a CGT in NZ and his Finance Minister Grant Robertson (Robin Hood) is a CGT fan.
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February 4, 2023 8:59am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  No one can claim that Robertson is Robin Hood, Nick. Like all Labour Governments before, they disadvantage all the people that vote for them. Robertson steals from the poor, and gives to the rich. Stupid bitch.
  
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  February 4, 2023 9:42am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Hipkins has already suggested a CGT is on the cards, but said it won’t happen this term, don’t be surprised if we get CGT and a wealth tax next term, but as we know, we can’t trust Labour to tell us
  
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  February 4, 2023 12:34pm
Taieri

why did he get a large majority vote in the first place?
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But did he?
Anything is possible when white supremacists and homophobes count votes…
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February 4, 2023 9:07am
Yvette

Kaikōmihana Whakawhanaungatanga ā Iwi Race Relations Commissioner Meng Foon

Why is the All Inclusive ‘We Are Us’ Race Relations Commissioner Meng Foon addressed with a Maori appendage which reflects Maori Exceptualism or Maori Supremacy when his office is omniracial – concerning or including every race?

Just saying for a friend
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February 4, 2023 9:11am
oldpark

The Legacy of ms/Ardern for all NZs to ponder .
Allowing legislation to proceed granting 16% of the population a 50/50 say over the democratic rights of 84% NZs on the direction and ownership of the much hated so called Three Waters/Maybe even Five Waters .
Her replacement named Hipkins seems to have picked up her cudgel as he appears to be running scared of and by the latest comments by spokespeople of the 16% reminding him of what he and his Party recently voted for.
We will now see or hear in the next few days how he will control the rhetoric of the 16% wanting 50/50 say in Three Waters/Maybe Five, or the 84%
who want to keep and control what they already own and have paid for .
The choice for the wee man Hipkins decision will echo any which way as NZ heads for maybe a General Election later in 2023 or earlier.or will he continue to be seen to be “Running Scared”so afraid to at least help make NZ “A Nation Once Again ” after such a division of NZs people by his previous now departed colleague.
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February 4, 2023 9:15am
- Pavel
  
  I’ve read quite a few times that over half of NZ Moari don’t identify with any iwi. They are just normal people getting on with life. So make that 8% of people ruling over 92%. Also remember that for each iwi there is a very small number of people at the top making the desicions so that 8% could become a fraction. To assume that those few represente the voice of Moari is delusional. Moari, as a whole, are not a united people.
  
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  February 4, 2023 10:45am
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  He g he as told Iwi he will simply change the name of 3 waters and co governance, that’s not going to go down well with voters who thought these divisive policies were for the chip, he looked weak as cats piss yesterday, and Jessica said how will you keep these things and change them at the same time, he was pathetic, and Jessica actually pushed him a bit, he didn’t like it one bit
  
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  February 4, 2023 12:37pm
Grunter

The Auckland University medical school this year has 287 places available for new med students. Of these, 103 are reserved for Māori & Pacifica students. That leaves 94 for all other races.
This can’t be about the Treaty obligations (Samoa, Tonga etc didn’t sign the Treaty). So any idea what’s going on? Apart from the obvious woke neo-racism that is just as awe full as all other forms of racism.
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February 4, 2023 9:23am
- Stu2
  
  How did you work that out?
  
  103+94=197
  
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  February 4, 2023 9:30am
  - Bob
    
    A student product of ‘Tomorrows Schools’ ideology introduced by that buffoon Lange; arithmetic skills not required.
    
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    February 4, 2023 12:12pm
- pdm
  
  G – should that be 194 places?
  
  You do raise a very good point re Pacifica but we do have some responsibilities for the islands particularly those that are dependencies. Especially if those graduates return to practice in their home countries.
  
  Maori already get preferential treatment in the NZ health system – not sure about Pacific Island people.
  
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  February 4, 2023 9:34am
  - Paulus
    
    Maori only use Pacifica people when it does to include them to Maori advantage.
    
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    February 4, 2023 10:11am
  - wisteria
    
    Does that allow for the number of dropouts before the course finishes?
    
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    February 4, 2023 10:44am
- surfing
  
  Dux of our local college failed to qualify to second year… I don’t know how, their grades were out of the world and also awarded a scholarship , tens of thousands of dollars .
  
  They’d be an awesome doctor due to being well rounded academically and in sports.
  
  But, there you go. A tongan/samoan/maori was deemed more qualified due to skin colour.
  
  If anything, qualification should be based on deprivation. I know 3 ‘white’ maoris from privileged backgrounds who queue jumped better people because of their skin colour.
  
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  February 4, 2023 9:35am
  - kiwikidsnz
    
    In addition to their racist selection criteria Maori/Pasifika also have lower academic entry requirements than others.
    
    This has been going on for at least a couple of decades, originally thanks to National (Wayne Mapp etc) & Academic virtue signalling. He has previously argued on KB that the justification is that deprived communities benefit medically from the “cultural empathy of their own medical people” (never mind that we’re all the same under the skin). AFAIK no figures have ever been released on the numbers who return to work in rural communities vs those who don’t.
    
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    February 4, 2023 10:06am
    - David Garrett
      
      Kiwikidz: You can’t hang that one on Wayne Mapp and his former colleagues…there have been Maori quotas in med schools in New Zealand since at least the 1950’s…my ex wife got “treated” by one once…After that experience I would never go to a Maori doctor…but my excellent doctor up here in Tonga is a New Zealand trained Tongan…pretty sure she didn’t get in on some quota, but I may be wrong.
      
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      February 4, 2023 11:21am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    There are only going to be more and more people that jump on this bandwagon. They are like drug cheats in sport but without the testing/penalties to stop it from happening.
    
    What really hacks me off, is the sense of entitlement of dependents of new migrants with Maori spouse who are deemed higher value people than 7th generation kiwi kids.
    
    For my children to do well should I be “finding” a Maori princess in the family tree?
    
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    February 4, 2023 10:14am
    - Ian Boag
      
      If med school entry was done solely on exam results you have a problem that because some of the applicants already have a degree … hard to compare that with a first year student. Older – presumably more mature – proven track record at uni and all that.
      
      Also if it was just done on academic results we might find rather more Asian women in the mix.
      
      Go figure
      
      Like I said, I don’t envy the admissions committee ..
      
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      February 4, 2023 1:53pm
    - Nickc2
      
      Emigrate!!! Go somewhere where talent and intelligence is rewarded, not used as a barrier to ambition and success.
      PS: Don’t ask me where that is given the state of the world at present. Maybe Aust when they change their Govt?
      
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      February 4, 2023 2:35pm
  - Ian Boag
    
    A tongan/samoan/maori was deemed more qualified due to skin colour.
    
    A whole lot of whities were also deemed more qualified despite this person’s stellar results.
    
    Go figure …
    
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    February 4, 2023 1:44pm
- Stu2
  
  What is the quota at Otago?
  
  The overall figures for the two universities would be the most meaningful number
  
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  February 4, 2023 9:42am
  - Oskar
    
    This link takes you to the Otago Medical School admission statistics
    https://fyi.org.nz/request/14554/response/59385/attach/2/Admissions%20into%20the%202021%20MB%20ChB%20class.pdf
    
    On pages 2 and 3 there are tables that breakdown numbers admitted under each category and the average academic score for that group.
    
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    February 4, 2023 5:09pm
- Nickc2
  
  It’s called vote buying.
  Remember, if you add all Pcifica Votes to the Maori vote, it’s a sizable voting block.
  I also think this Govt is going out of its way to capture the high ground in Pacifica Churches thus gaining a propaganda base within an easily led grouping.
  
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  February 4, 2023 9:48am
  - Pineapple Lumps
    
    Latest one – Hipkins has promised to look at a petition requesting pathways to residency for Pacifica overstayers.
    
    As Steve Os video girl said – I’m pro immigrants, legal immigrants, not illegal.
    
    Overstayers have already shown they are happy to cheat the system. Giving them residency just ingrains the wrong sort of people into the country. Takers not Contributors.
    
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    February 4, 2023 10:18am
    - Nickc2
      
      How many of them will be receiving Ratepayer & Taxpayer assistance due to flooding in Akld?
      I would suggest it’s a bloody lot!!
      The Pacific islands of the Cook Islands and Niue became New Zealand’s first colonies in 1901 and then protectorates. From 1965 the Cook Islands became self-governing, as did Niue from 1974. Tokelau came under New Zealand control in 1925 and remains a non-self-governing territory.
      Courtesy Google
      IMO, with the exception of Tokelauns, any Pacific Islander who has not taken out citizenship is not entitled to NZ welfare. I’m prepared to be corrected, because what I’ve read so far is rather fuzzy.
      
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      February 4, 2023 12:12pm
      - Ian Boag
        
        Cook Islanders are all NZ citizens.
        
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        February 4, 2023 1:46pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  It is happening all around the world now Grunter. The son of good friends of ours in the UK, missed out on Cambridge. Our friends are fairly wealthy, live in a wealthy area, are white, and their son is very bright. He aced the entry exam. Our friends brother is not wealthy. Lives in less well off area, married a Russian who already had a son. Their son is not so bright. He didn’t ace the Cambridge entry exam (which he did at the same time as our friends son). But made the cut. A friends daugther averaged 94 in pre-med at Otago. And didn’t get entry over Maori and Pacifica who averaged mid-80’s. Entry is now not about the best and brightest, it is about social engineering. Dumbing down the education system and the quality of those coming out the other side.
  
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  February 4, 2023 9:50am
  - Ian Boag
    
    Has anyone done any meaningful study of how early uni exams correlate with being a “good doctor” (whatever that is)
    
    I don’t envy the med school admission committee their job ….
    
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    February 4, 2023 10:07am
    - Pineapple Lumps
      
      Distraction technique alert
      
      The real question is “has anyone done any meaningful study of how race based selections benefit society as a whole?”
      
      The trouble with these quota systems is that they claim they are required to achieve equity. But if that is the case they would have an endpoint when equity is achieved. But what really happens is that once equity is achieved they keep going because actually the activists don’t want equity, they want dominance.
      
      Just look at parliament to see this in action. Maori mps over represent on the basis of % of race. But there is no qualms about this but if underrepresented then we are all racist.
      
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      February 4, 2023 10:25am
      - Steve Otto(North Shore)
        
        Distraction technique alert.
        Good call!
        
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        February 4, 2023 11:55am
    - Ghost
      
      it is a good point. Just because you are top of the class doesn’t make you a good doctor. It is something I’ve talked about with my GP, his clinic takes in new doctors to give them training. Some of them over the years despite being book smart lack any empathy and zero people skills.
      
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      February 4, 2023 10:36am
      - Pineapple Lumps
        
        Doesn’t justify race based decisions though Ghost, which is the real point of the thread that Ian wants to divert away from.
        
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        February 4, 2023 10:52am
      - Ghost
        
        Nope it doesn’t, and I wouldn’t see a doctor that got their qualifications or jobs on such.
        
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        February 4, 2023 10:54am
      - Stu2
        
        They try and weed out those that are bright but lacking people skills in the admissions process. Guess the process isn’t totally reliable.
        
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        February 4, 2023 11:01am
      - David Garrett
        
        Some of them over the years despite being book smart lack any empathy and zero people skills
        
        They are the ones who become surgeons mate…Their patients are asleep for almost the entire time they interract with them
        
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        February 4, 2023 11:24am
      - marcw
        
        @DG. Or pathologists, where many of their “patients” are already dead. These doctors are often brilliant academics, and they make incredibly important information and diagnostic decisions available which benefit the still living.
        
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        February 4, 2023 8:49pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      Oh well, if proficiency in exams doesn’t matter these days, don’t worry folks.
      I am sure the doctor will be competent to look up your symptoms on google to find a remedy or treatment.
      Just so long as they are able to chat to you in a friendly manner – eh.
      PS : the very well trained and experienced GP we went to (now retired) , towards the end of his career used to get frustrated with an increasing number of his patients who looked up their symptoms on google and made an appointment with him only to demand a prescription for the medication they had seen on-line.
      Really pi..ed him off because after his assessment and diagnosis, backed up with lab tests, it was often found that Dr Google was wrong.
      
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      February 4, 2023 11:16am
    - Taieri
      
      how early uni exams correlate with being a “good doctor”
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      Exam failure disqualifies on from becoming a doctor. Or a lawyer, or an engineer, or a scientist, or a…
      
      The only profession where failures don’t matter is…a politician of course!
      
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      February 4, 2023 12:50pm
      - Colville
        
        .. Or standing on your own feet in the world and not asking for support… Some of us have done OK despite what the @#$& teachers at high school said 😎
        
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        February 4, 2023 1:06pm
  - kowtow
    
    RAF and Met police effectiveness , seriously compromised by “diversity” targets.
    
    You couldn’t make this up.
    
    You’d wonder what the Elites are really up to.
    
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    February 4, 2023 10:12am
- oldfella
  
  Muriel Newman talks about this in a column over on the BFD.
  A notice from Auckland University’s medical school shows of the 287 places on offer in 2023, an increasing number are reserved for Maori and Pacific Island students – up from 70 last year to 103, while “general entry” places are being reduced – from around 120 down to 94. And while A grade levels are necessary for ‘general entry’ candidates, C grades appear sufficient for the Maori and Pacific students. Merit is now secondary to race!
  https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/02/04/will-he-sink-or-swim/
  
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  February 4, 2023 10:18am
  - peterwn
    
    Academic brilliance does not necessarily mean all-round brilliant doctors.
    
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    February 4, 2023 5:06pm
Yvette

‘There’s nowhere for the water to go,’ say flood-hit Māngere residents
Most homes in Ventura St were damaged in last week’s flooding. Many affected properties are Kāinga Ora houses built in the past three years.

… it would be wrong to push stormwater management into the Water Entities and separate it from land-use management
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/jan-heijs-stormwaters-inclusion-in-three-waters-reforms-will-worsen-flood-risks

quod erat demonstrandum
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February 4, 2023 9:25am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Who would have thought Ventura St would get flooded? After all, the Auckland Council’s own flood map says it will be a lake. And good on Housing NZ, building on flood plain. The genius is real, and I bet no one will be held responsible. After all, this Government has built way more state houses than any other for ages. No matter they are not inhabitable.
  
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  February 4, 2023 9:57am
  - Nickc2
    
    No doubt about it, this Govt will dine out on its success for years to come.
    Haven’t they been fortunate to have a one-time Housing Minister like Phil Twyford? Only he could build houses on a swamp and then flood em eh?
    
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    February 4, 2023 10:22am
- I remember when
  
  As Wayne Brown will say “I am waiting to hear from my 3 Waters Authority.”
  
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  February 4, 2023 11:02am
surfing

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/the-conversation-more-non-maori-learning-te-reo-raising-colonisation-treaty-questions/IASGMR7YPFEDVC4434VVNQJ36Q/

I’ve not read such a load of bollocks in some time.

Maori complain not enough learning maori, now they complain more are learning maori and claiming a second wave of colonisation is going on.

And, learning a language has been turned into a commodity? Beans are a commodity? But, a language? Stretching truths there.
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February 4, 2023 10:00am
- Don Beckett
  
  Back in the 1970’s when I lived in Rotorua, I decided to take night class Maori language lessons. In my group of acquaintances there were several Maori guys. One time when when we were having a beer – a group of about 9, in which were 3 of the Maori guys – I thought I would be clever and introduce some of my acquired Language skills: but – I used an incorrect adjective. Two of the Maori guys chuckled & corrected me – the third, who was a teacher, ridiculed me and made of big thing of it.
  Really bears out & was a prefigurement of what the problem in our race relations is today – the vast majority of Maori are happy with the way society has been for decades and wish to keep it that way. The elite & the academics want to control everything.
  Time for the adults to take charge and stop this bullshit.
  
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  February 4, 2023 11:04am
  - I remember when
    
    And let’s not mention the effect that Tribal area/affiliation has on the learning/teaching of Maori.
    
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    February 4, 2023 11:49am
Sparrow

I found the following interesting in Stuff. In their Perspective section they have four commentators today. Two what appear to be European women and you can comment on their articles. Then there are two articles written by Maori male journalists there is no ability to comment. Even though Stuff has the ability to censor comments the public are not given the opportunity to comment. Is this not censorship? We are trying to break down divisions and misunderstandings this hardly helps.
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February 4, 2023 10:01am
- kowtow
  
  Every click is support .
  
  I try bigly to avoid $tuff1.
  
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  February 4, 2023 10:13am
I remember when

The Wall Street Journal: Life Science.
The Deceptive Campaign for Bivalent Covid Boosters
by Allysia Finley.
Studies show they fail to live up to their promise, but vaccine makers and experts keep pushing them.
Federal agencies took the unprecedented step of ordering vaccine makers to produce them and recommend them without data supporting their safety or efficacy.
But three scientific problems have arisen.
1. The virus is evolving much faster than vaccines can be updated.
2. Vaccines have hard-wired our immune systems to respond to thew Wuhan original, so they churn out fewer antibodies that neutralise variants targeted by updated vaccines.
3. Antibodies rapidly wane sfter a few months.
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February 4, 2023 10:03am
Maggy Wassilieff

Well, this is reassuring…

“It’s not acceptable that people think that they can set up a roadblock on a state highway, and so we will look to hold those people to account, use our resources to investigate fully what’s gone on.”

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/483607/not-acceptable-that-people-think-that-they-can-set-up-a-roadblock-on-a-state-highway
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February 4, 2023 10:03am
- kowtow
  
  Oh dear , he’ll be in trouble with Head Office where the Commissioner ‘is self opined that illegal roadblocks was “policing by consent” and just vulnerable communities protecting themselves . ( and the ninth floor too)
  
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  February 4, 2023 10:17am
- David Garrett
  
  Maggy: That’s all very well…but what will they actually DO about it? Presumably the Maori “checkpoints” set up during Covid were also “unacceptable”…but I saw no evidence of them being shut down, much less people being arrested.
  
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  February 4, 2023 11:34am
Paulus

I see that today’s Herald has an article re Auckland floods and that it is unfair for many of those poorer people and Social Welfare must step up for these people.
This is from the Minister Sepuloni who is responsible for Social Welfare
She shoud ask her mother who was found guilty of Welfare fraud over many years – she will have the answers surely.
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February 4, 2023 10:16am
- Pineapple Lumps
  
  The strength of a country is in the philosophy/mindset of its people.
  
  Great countries are not built on greed and envy. Our social welfare system is creating a Gimme, Gimme mentality. This is reinforced by the leadership and media.
  
  Where are our political leaders and media that promote striving to better oneself and others, being proud to be a net contributor etc etc
  
  They say they are being kind looking out for the vulnerable. But they are really shackling them into inter generational dependency and hatred. This is evil wrapped in a veneer of kindness.
  
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  February 4, 2023 10:33am
- David Garrett
  
  Oh Paulus…that’s an unkind cut!
  
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  February 4, 2023 11:35am
- Taieri
  
  She shoud ask her mother who was found guilty of Welfare fraud over many years
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  This is a bit nasty. Minister Sepuloni is not responsible for her mother’s doings…
  
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  February 4, 2023 12:52pm
  - Nickc2
    
    If she didn’t expect shit to be thrown at her, she shouldn’t have gone into Politics.
    
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    February 4, 2023 12:59pm
    - Ghost
      
      Attack her for what she has or hasn’t done, not the actions of her mother
      
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      February 4, 2023 1:06pm
      - Colville
        
        Are you aware of how your mother supports herself?
        If you were a crown minister do think you might have a thought if your mother was getting money from the ministry you control?
        Is there a snow balls chance in hell she wasn’t aware of the fraud?
        No. I didn’t think so either.
        
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        February 4, 2023 1:11pm
      - Ghost
        
        Her mother was charged in 2015
        
        As a side note, my neighbour who I talk to regularly over the fence was guilty of $160,000 benefit fraud, should I have known what he was doing?
        
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        February 4, 2023 1:17pm
    - Taieri
      
      If she didn’t expect shit to be thrown at her, she shouldn’t have gone into Politics
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      Throw any shit you like at Minister Sepuloni herself. And if it’s justified I’ll second it. But leave the family alone.
      
      As far as I’m concerned, the only time when family is a free game, is when it is used to advance politicians’ public standing. And this applies to all sides of politics, the Left, the Right and the Centre.
      
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      February 4, 2023 1:59pm
      - Nickc2
        
        If you read my post as posted and without malice or bias, you will note that ‘I’ (me, myself, personally) did not throw any dispersion on her. I merely pointed out what politicians should expect.
        
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        February 4, 2023 2:23pm
  - Tony Stuart
    
    She did however have a lapse of judgment, when whilst her mother’s case was ongoing, she asked parliamentary questions about benefit fraud.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/66677822/carmel-sepulonis-questions-on-benefit-fraud
    
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    February 4, 2023 2:03pm
- Ghost
  
  What about other MPs whose relative has committed a crime. Is Todd McClay responsible for what Roger did?
  
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  February 4, 2023 12:58pm
Rusty

So 3 waters will fix the drainage and other water problems in Auckland and the rest of the country because they have skilled experts that current councils don’t have ???
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February 4, 2023 10:38am
- Stu2
  
  Under investment is huge, it would take quite some time to do even the most essential works across the country.
  
  Lack of skills have been evident a few times – the vastly expensive sewerage scheme in northland and the water quality issue in Hastings. We have so many local authorites it’s inevitable that the skills and standards vary widely.
  
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  February 4, 2023 11:10am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“If you aren’t angry about where this country is heading then you really aren’t paying attention”.
The BFD. Cam Slater.
https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/02/04/democracy-is-no-longer-a-human-right/
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February 4, 2023 10:39am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

“So Nash wants to ban dairies from selling cigarettes to reduce ram raids.
That will destroy the livelihoods of 6,000 law abiding taxpayers and their families.
Therefore he also must require Michael Hill to stop selling watches and jewelry.
Supermarkets from selling food.
Petrol stations from selling cigarettes and fuel.
Turners from selling cars.
Nash is a certified moron.
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February 4, 2023 10:42am
- WaynelSexton
  
  Next he’ll be banning Mazda from selling Demios, to reduce car thefts.
  
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  February 4, 2023 11:16am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Mazda do not sell Demios. they are old used imports with a name and specification never sold by Mazda NZ. That’s why they lack security features such as immobilisers.
    
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    February 4, 2023 11:31am
- oldpark
  
  @S O (N S) 10.42 am
  
  Dont forget Liquor outlets selling alcohol . A bigger call that most things the Clown from Napier Nash Wants to ban .
  
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  February 4, 2023 11:57am
- Nickc2
  
  Nash spends too much time playing with himself! He was a failure as Minister of Police when he had that Portfolio, and now he has it again. What gives?
  
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  February 4, 2023 12:18pm
- G the giant from Dunedin
  
  Tell the Marxist bastard to take a hike
  
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  February 4, 2023 12:41pm
- Rusty
  
  @Steve- So Nash thinks it’s all the law abiding dairy owners fault they suffer from crime for selling legit products?
  
  What deranged thinking from this man.
  
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  February 4, 2023 1:58pm
- Taieri
  
  Nash is a certified moron
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  Who issued the certificate?;)
  
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  February 4, 2023 2:00pm
- kevn
  
  @StevO… He was unpopular as Police Minister last time around. Just a repeat.
  
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  February 4, 2023 2:21pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Stop Co-Governance. Julian Batchelor.
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/sean-plunket-bumper-stickers-sport-northland-and-more/
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/Evans-bumper-sticker.pdf
https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/BLOG-POST-FINAL-4223.pdf
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February 4, 2023 10:48am
MCōs

Yesterday I mentioned the practice of debt collectors breaking into people’s homes in the UK to install pre pay meters for energy.
Here is an article on an investigation the Times did.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/british-gas-prepayment-meter-debt-energy-bills-investigation-wrgnzt6xs
This is a tweet string that put me on to the article
https://twitter.com/estellecostanza/status/1621469408395657222?s=61&t=_i3z8JZaezAvuttUOCApmw
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February 4, 2023 10:54am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Alleged spy balloon.

https://redrightdaily.com/how-can-we-believe-chinas-take-on-the-alleged-spy-balloon/
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February 4, 2023 10:59am
- Don Beckett
  
  Why don’t they just shoot the bloody thing down & end all the bullshit. So what if China is upset.
  
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  February 4, 2023 11:10am
  - Ghost
    
    As the balloon appears to be heading toward North Carolina, the current thinking is to wait until it is over the Atlantic Ocean to then try to shoot it down and retrieve it, according to a senior U.S. official familiar with the situation.
    
    There is too great a risk to try to shoot it down over the continental U.S., the official said. Since the U.S. wants to keep the balloon to study it, and there are otherwise risks of an international incident, U.S. officials are working on plans to shoot it down so that it also lands in U.S. territorial waters, the official said.
    
    A substantial localized airspace shutdown will likely be required in order to protect civilians while the U.S. tries to down the balloon, which is likely being navigated via Chinese spy satellites, the official said.
    
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/china-spy-balloon/?id=96874279
    
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    February 4, 2023 11:20am
    - Colville
      
      I thought a drone would accidentally run into it… Slightly puncturing it… Then it’s a hazard…
      
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      February 4, 2023 11:57am
      - rangitoto
        
        Altitude is too high for most drones.
        
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        February 4, 2023 1:38pm
      - Colville
        
        Oh piss off.
        Off the shelf domestic gear would carry a battery powered chainsaw up that high.
        
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        February 4, 2023 2:43pm
  - MCōs
    
    Too high
    
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    February 4, 2023 11:26am
    - Ian Boag
      
      Something like 30,000 metres ….
      
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      February 4, 2023 1:37pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Joe wants a War to be his legacy?
    
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    February 4, 2023 12:03pm
  - NoCash
    
    China can troll alright. All this hysteria over a bloody balloon. I don’t see other countries crying out over countless US drones and spy planes over other countries’ airspace.
    
    On the other hand, it’s quite remarkable that China can release a balloon from mainland China and has it navigated over tens of thousands of miles high up in the air to the US, then along a precise path covering sensitive military sites.
    
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    February 4, 2023 1:14pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Not an easy thing to shoot down a balloon at that altitude. Missiles won’t lock on to it. Guns would work, but you’re limited to about 60,000ft … and bullets fall to ground so best be over somewhere unpopulated.
    
    And difficult to manage downing it safely given the amount of civilian air traffic at lower altitudes.
    
    I’d be pretty sure though that something like a U2 or one of NASA’s WB57s has been up to take a close look at it.
    
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    February 4, 2023 1:31pm
    - NoCash
      
      Indeed, I’ve read that the Canadian have tried to shoot down one of its own astray balloon using a F-18, but even after 1000s of rounds the balloon still stayed in the air for days afterwards.
      
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      February 4, 2023 1:55pm
    - virtualmark
      
      The interesting thing will be if/when they do shoot it down (likely once it’s out over the ocean) … will that disclose some previously secret capability?
      
      Or, alternatively, do you not bother because to shoot it down would disclose some secret capability that you don’t want to uncover?
      
      Back in the 1970s Carter took a lot of political heat because he cancelled the B-1A bomber, but couldn’t publicly explain that the reason was he’d authorised the work on the B-2 stealth bomber. It could be a similar thing here, where a President takes political heat for something because they’re not prepared to disclose a secret capability.
      
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      February 4, 2023 2:37pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Of course the Pentagon could always ask the Rothschilds to shoot the balloon down with the Jewish space lasers.
      
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      February 4, 2023 5:06pm
  - mawm
    
    @ Don – the American military is probably getting more information by keeping it up and interrogating its systems as to what they do and how they work.
    
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    February 4, 2023 2:54pm
- Tom Hunter
  
  Hair mussed yet? Where’s General “Buck” Turgidson when you need him?
  
  You can see video of one of his Pentagon successors at Up Up and Away (In my beautiful balloon)
  
  I really liked the talk about how shooting it down now or in the last few days might cause civilian injuries on the ground. Yeah. A big balloon with a “heavy” payload, spreading debris over the dense, urban states of … Montana, North Dakota, etc.
  
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  February 4, 2023 12:27pm
- Stu2
  
  Do the Chinese have spy satellite technology?
  
  A balloon would be irrelevant if they do, unless the height the balloon is at allows it to do something a satellite can’t.
  
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  February 4, 2023 12:51pm
  - NoCash
    
    Hmmm… good question, China has its own space station, has landed a Mars rover at the first attempt, has its own GPS called BeiDou. I seriously doubt that it possesses any spy satellite technology, too high tech for them.
    
    Joking aside, the Pentagon have already said that they don’t believe the balloon would provide any more info than what the Chinese already have via their satellites.
    
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    February 4, 2023 1:27pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Yes.
    
    But spy satellites are in low earth orbit, so they travel on predictable paths, and pass over areas of interest only every few days. So you know when to hide stuff away the satellite doesn’t see it.
    
    A balloon can loiter over an area of interest for quite a while, by managing its altitude to catch winds flowing in different directions.
    
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    February 4, 2023 1:33pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Seems it’s just been shot down by a military jet
  
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  February 4, 2023 2:58pm
  - Ghost
    
    There is a second one
    
    The Pentagon is now confirming that there is a second Chinese surveillance balloon flying over South America. There were reports earlier Friday of a balloon flying over Colombia and Venezuela, but there was no information until now.
    
    “We are seeing reports of a balloon transiting Latin America. We now assess it is another Chinese surveillance balloon,” Pentagon spokesman Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder said in a statement Friday.
    
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/china-spy-balloon/?id=96874279
    
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    February 4, 2023 3:01pm
- Ra Henare
  
  Why is there so much hysteria about a Helium Balloon.
  
  The media have dubbed it a spy ballon. God give me strenth.
  
  Weather ballons are sent up all over the world every day!
  Are they spy balloons?
  
  So this one got sent to hover over Montana? The idiot commentators and so called experts, dont undertsand weather at all.
  There is no way on Gods earth that the Chines could have sent a heliun ballon to hover over Montana to “spy”” on teh silos etc etc etc
  
  The question should be. Why is this hot news, what is it being used to deflect from?
  Bidens low poll rate?
  
  Shoot it down is emotive claptrap. Loved the bit wait until it gets over the Atlantic so it wont do any damage..
  
  What damage do you thing a nylon? envelope would do as it flutters to the ground. Withs its 2?or 3? kgs of instruments
  
  Come on Kiwibloggers use your effing brains
  
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  February 4, 2023 4:34pm
  - NoCash
    
    You better tell senator Eric Schmitt on Twitter –
    
    “The idea that Communist China has a spy balloon headed towards Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri right now — the home of the Stealth Bomber — is absolutely unbelievable. No American should accept this. I don’t.”
    
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    February 4, 2023 4:52pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Tucker Carlson on Epstein.
https://thegoptimes.com/bill-clintons-connection-to-epstein-called-out-by-fox-news-host/
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February 4, 2023 11:14am
- Inandout
  
  SO, US politics are getting interesting, especially with Biden Inc and the stuff now coming out about their financial deals. The Washington machine is in a bit of a bind because Biden is not easily replaceable unless Nurse Jill calls it a day and he resigns on health grounds. The Epstein death is as suspicious as OJ Simpson’s wife was, in other words plain murder.
  
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  February 4, 2023 2:06pm
  - Steve Otto(North Shore)
    
    Death ordered by …… you know who!
    
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    February 5, 2023 9:00am
Steve Otto(North Shore)

It did not work
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February 4, 2023 12:30pm
Swifty

The Daily Blog’s Stephen Minto gives us his recipe for economic salvation:

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2023/02/04/the-real-ways-to-fight-and-defeat-inflation/

I wonder if he’s any relation?
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February 4, 2023 1:34pm
- peterwn
  
  It is bad enough that busybodies want to set minimum purchase quantities from liquor stores. How silly!
  
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  February 4, 2023 2:13pm
- Gravelroad
  
  The next “story” along from that was all about the terrible impact of the floods on drug users and cannabis growers.
  How terrible. Something must be done. Now.
  And the piece about inflation was just plain stupid, ignorant and written by a someone who would be more comfortable living in a hard left communist country. He used to work for the IRD which could, I suppose, account for some of his extreme views and “solutions”.
  
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  February 4, 2023 2:59pm
  - Swifty
    
    His piece reads like that from an earnest 5th form economics student – and one who thinks it fine to play whack-a-mole with people’s freedoms.
    
    Bradbury is really scraping the bottom of the barrel with this stuff.
    
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    February 4, 2023 4:13pm
- NothingLeft
  
  Far left lunacy is a heritable mental illness just like all the other branches of religion.
  
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  February 4, 2023 7:04pm
Swifty

Where does Martin Bradbury find these people?

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2023/01/25/guest-blog-pat-odea-first-they-came-for-our-prime-minister/

“Jacinda Ardern has been hounded out of office in an unprecedented well funded vitriolic hate campaign.

Every one on the Left needs to reflect on this.

All around the world democracy is under attack by the far right.

Make no mistake the far right have achieved a momentous victory against democracy in this country.

First they came for the Labour Party Prime Minister
And I did not speak out
Because I wasn’t a Labour Party member
Divided we fall

We need to take a stand against these Far Right bullies.”
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February 4, 2023 2:11pm
- Gravelroad
  
  I am sure that if Ms Ardern had wished to remain as Prime Minister at least until after the election she would have done so.
  Perhaps Mr O’Dea was a bit tired and emotional when he wrote this tragic blub blaming “far right bullies” – whoever they are.
  
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  February 4, 2023 3:14pm
- Dougal10
  
  Cindy was rolled from within because she couldn’t pull off the BS properly anymore , Chippy is next cab off the labour rank and will stay until his BS doesn’t work anymore then it will be rinse and repeat . We have seen labour go down this path before
  
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  February 4, 2023 3:26pm
- Swifty
  
  Pat O’Dea, with stunning hypocrisy, labels certain perfectly normal and reasonable New Zealanders as ‘far right’ (i.e. Nazis and fascists) and ‘white supremacists’ (i.e. Nazis and fascists):
  
  https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2023/01/30/guest-blog-pat-odea-rip-dave-lennard/
  
  Right after lambasting people for calling Ardern bad names.
  
  The gentleman’s hatred of the New Zealanders who oppose his ideas and views has clearly driven him demented.
  
  I wonder why Martin Bradbury gives voice to such people? It’s not a good look for him and his blog.
  
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  February 4, 2023 4:10pm
Steve Otto(North Shore)

Waitangi. Here we go again. Every year, same same same.
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/pm-won-t-speak-at-waitangi-respects-organisers-wishes/ar-AA175CNm
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February 4, 2023 2:20pm
- Nickc2
  
  He’s gutless.
  If he’s not going to represent NZ on NZ’s National Day and deliver a speech, he shouldn’t go to that Den of Vipers, Bludgers, and Malcontents.
  
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  February 4, 2023 2:28pm
  - Inandout
    
    Nick, nor should leaders of Nat and Act attend, remembering it was originally named New Zealand Day for a reason. It has long lost its meaning and to 90% of the population is just another holday weekend.
    
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    February 4, 2023 2:49pm
    - MCōs
      
      It’s always been Waitangi Day since the thirties except for a short period when the Kirk Government renamed it NZ Day. Muldoon changed it back to Waitangi Day a few years later and that’s the way it’s stayed.
      
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      February 4, 2023 9:32pm
      - Inandout
        
        ‘By the Waitangi Day Act of 1960, the 6th day of February in each year is known as Waitangi Day, to be observed throughout New Zealand as a national day of thanksgiving in commemoration of the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi’.
        
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        February 4, 2023 11:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Was Mayor Brown and his Office deliberately left out of the loop?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/483630/auckland-floods-mayor-s-office-confirms-brown-not-on-crucial-email-list-during-floods

Hs he been the victim of a coordinated hit job or a SNAFU?

Will some intrepid journalist investigate?
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February 4, 2023 2:52pm
- Ghost
  
  Also if he was getting updated by the Emergency Management Minister, what was he being told and why didn’t Kieran advise to call a state of emergency?
  
  Brown insisted he formally declared a state of emergency immediately after he was advised to do so on Friday night and was at his desk from 4pm, getting updates from Emergency Management Minister Kieran McAnulty and the city’s emergency management leadership.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/131096210/auckland-mayor-wayne-browns-own-staff-were-doing-a-terrible-job
  
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  February 4, 2023 2:59pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    Well,Mr Brown is just the wrong guy, isn’t he?
    I am sure if it had been Mr E. Collins sitting at his desk at 4pm getting updates, the whole course of flood history would be changed and viewed in a much more positive fashion.
    The left wing media will never accept Mr Brown whatever he does, or doesn’t do.
    
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    February 4, 2023 3:19pm
    - Swifty
      
      Can you just imagine John Campbell interviewing Efeso Collins right about now?
      
      “Efeso, how are you feeling?”
      
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      February 4, 2023 8:08pm
Ghost

A man has been hurt after a machete-wielding trio targeted a store in Hamilton this afternoon.

Police say they were called to a building on Heaphy Terrace about 2pm after a report of three men entering the store and making demands.

One man was then assaulted, causing a wound to the shoulder.

They have been taken to hospital in a moderate condition.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/man-attacked-with-machete-during-hamilton-robbery/DQ5KIPLYMBHPRGXA6BE7TTFVQA/
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February 4, 2023 4:36pm
rockape

I wonder if all those women who supported Jacinda think what life may be like for them under Maori Co Governance. Maori are not renowned for giving women equal rights and would rather keep them barefoot ,pregnant and in the kitchen.
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February 4, 2023 4:36pm
NothingLeft

Responses to wreck most left wing arguments (from Thomas Sowell):
1. Compared to what?
2. At what cost?
3. What hard evidence do you have?
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February 4, 2023 7:01pm
- Swifty
  
  Run co-governance through those questions and it falls in a broken heap on the floor.
  
  Won’t make any difference though, Labour and the Maori elite will just ram it through regardless.
  
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  February 4, 2023 8:06pm
Surely Knott

After the release of the Project Veritas expose of their staff. The MSM have hit back with another “conspiracy theorists” article.

The article uses abusive labels “conspiracy theorists” “anti-vaxx” and “freedumb fighter”.

So what do these dumb, mentally ill, anti-vax conspiracists believe?

The article posts the conspiracy theorist husbands discarded pamphlet . But it must be a very early pamphlet from before widespread vaccination because the points in the pamphlet are all now proven true!

The Conspiracy theories as alleged in the pamphlet.
Conspiracy 1. The vaccine is experimental. You are taking part in a trial
(TRUE- it’s still only “provisionally” approved by medsafe. Pfizer has indemnity because of this status )
Conspiracy 2. There is no guarantee of immunity. The vaccine only lessens symptoms.
(TRUE- everyone knows now it doesn’t guarantee immunity like we were told! But the Herald are claiming this as a conspiracy theory in their article?! Still! )
Conspiracy 3.You can still spread the disease. You will not be exempt from precautions mandated by Government.
(CORRECT- We were told it would stop spread of disease and it doesn’t! And almost no one was exempted by the government despite Ardern saying that this was a conspiracy. They lied. Fact.)
Conspiracy 4. Vaccine Damage and Death. Doctors and Scientists do not know what short or long term damage this vaccine can cause, as no long term studies have taken place. This can include permanent disability and death.
(CORRECT – This can include permanent disability and death. 4 people have died from the vaccine so far as determined by the independent monitoring board. And stroke, myocarditis, and guillaine barr syndrome etc which can cause disability)

So the Herald and Bennet smearing people who they want to shut down, yet 4 of the 4 “conspiracy theories” in the conspiracy pamphlet turn out to be true and had a serious impact on society.

Powerful people like Bennet and the Herald shut down discussion of serious concerns by mixing it in with stupid , rarely held beliefs – like holocaust deniers or flat earthers who have nothing to do with the anti-mandate protestors or the man’s pamphlet.

But the man with the pamphlets facts were true.

What is the word you would use for powerful people who suppress discussion and lie about the facts. Propogandists. Liars. Fascists

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/australian-woman-reveals-heartbreak-as-loving-husband-sucked-into-conspiracies/
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February 4, 2023 8:06pm
- Ghost
  
  I started to read that this afternoon stopped and didn’t bother because it felt more like the journalist had interviewed their keyboard
  
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  February 4, 2023 8:46pm
Swifty

What’s the bet it’ll be those bloody Welsh again, they’re always up to no good – always trying to get you to try their bloody leeks.

If not, it’ll be gangs of Japanese kids roaming the streets, after their 16 hour days studying or running their damn sushi joints.

Failing that, my money’s on the Greeks. Those rotters. What have they ever done for democracy, for civilisation or for art or literature for that matter?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/hastings-street-brawl-police-investigate-fight-involving-weapons-and-up-to-30-people/FFVSFP3FTJHZVGCXUF6IQ2DGGI/
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